1 00:00:22,100 --> 00:00:24,800 Hello and welcome back to a better world. 2 00:00:24,900 --> 00:00:27,400 This is your host Mitchell J Raven and we're very glad you're 3 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:29,800 joining us again today. Today, we're going to have 4 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:33,100 another very interesting show. We have with us. 5 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:37,300 Dr. Fe ciao, dr. Fe Chow is From San Francisco 6 00:00:37,300 --> 00:00:41,800 where she founded the East West Academy of Healing Arts. 7 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:47,200 She has been appointed by former President, Clinton to the 8 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:50,500 commission on alternative medicine part of the United 9 00:00:50,500 --> 00:00:53,000 States government. She has been a consultant, the 10 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:58,200 United States government in the number of different, kinds of 11 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:02,000 departments, helping them Health and Human Services in particular 12 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:06,800 helping them understand the role that holistic and Alternative 13 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:11,900 medicine can play in the larger National Health policy and her 14 00:01:12,100 --> 00:01:15,800 credentials are so vast. I can't possibly some them up 15 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:19,700 right now, but she is known around the world for her healing 16 00:01:19,900 --> 00:01:23,700 for her work as an acupuncturist and her integrated. 17 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:28,100 Tom which will be speaking about in some detail on the show. 18 00:01:28,500 --> 00:01:34,100 She's also the author of this book and numerous videos and 19 00:01:34,100 --> 00:01:37,400 audio tapes that have been in circulation like good. 20 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:41,800 She all around the world, she's made a difference in many 21 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:44,500 people's lives. She's networked into the upper 22 00:01:44,500 --> 00:01:48,700 echelon of healers and holistic practitioners in this country 23 00:01:48,700 --> 00:01:50,900 and around the world. And is really making a 24 00:01:50,908 --> 00:01:54,600 significant contribution to the promotion and education. 25 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:57,600 Of holistic, medicine and health. 26 00:01:58,900 --> 00:02:02,100 So, I know I hit on many different points there because 27 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:04,200 they're all true. I mean, you really making a 28 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:06,600 great contribution and we want to just thank you from the 29 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:09,500 beginning for the work that you've been dedicated to. 30 00:02:09,699 --> 00:02:11,200 Thank you very much for having me. 31 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:14,500 I'm just delighted very much so, absolutely, absolutely. 32 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:18,300 You are one of those people have either been on this track for 33 00:02:18,300 --> 00:02:22,100 some 30 or so years and committed. 34 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:27,700 And it's just always a real pleasure for me to see people 35 00:02:27,700 --> 00:02:31,700 who have made up their Mine's to do something in this world and 36 00:02:31,700 --> 00:02:34,500 they just do it. Nothing gets in their way? 37 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:38,100 Yeah, well I think it's a it's a whether you believe that you're 38 00:02:38,100 --> 00:02:43,500 here on a mission on this Earth and this Earth is like a 39 00:02:43,500 --> 00:02:49,300 spaceship and that there's other other stations, yes, that we go 40 00:02:49,300 --> 00:02:53,300 to and so therefore we have to take advantage of this station 41 00:02:53,500 --> 00:02:57,000 that were in. And, and I'm very fortunate that 42 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:00,400 I have the background of the The eastern and the Western. 43 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:06,200 So that things we what I do can be more effective and as you 44 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,900 mentioned in my background that I like being the practitioner 45 00:03:10,300 --> 00:03:16,600 being the Healer as well, as I like being the strategist and 46 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:23,700 the policymakers, for example, back in the 70s, we were helping 47 00:03:23,700 --> 00:03:27,400 our teachers, our acupuncturist get out of jail. 48 00:03:28,100 --> 00:03:32,600 And other questioners and holistic practitioner getting 49 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:36,600 out of jail in the 70s like to see medicine for Patton. 50 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:40,700 Acupuncture well and which actually the case has got thrown 51 00:03:40,700 --> 00:03:44,700 out of your out of court because nobody was claiming, they were 52 00:03:44,700 --> 00:03:47,900 practicing medicine. They were practicing acupuncture 53 00:03:47,900 --> 00:03:52,000 or Homeopathy or holistic, health energetic, balance and 54 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:55,500 agenda have analysis. And so it was it was really 55 00:03:55,500 --> 00:03:59,600 quite exciting that time and now All that I wear. 56 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:04,500 We have risen to the point that there's in the government, they 57 00:04:04,500 --> 00:04:07,100 office of alternative medicine, which has become the national 58 00:04:07,100 --> 00:04:10,100 Center for complementary and alternative medicine, which I 59 00:04:10,100 --> 00:04:12,700 was on the advisory Council to help develop. 60 00:04:12,700 --> 00:04:15,400 And then the President's White House Commission on 61 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:18,200 complementary and alternative medicine policy. 62 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:22,900 And that is really exciting of to matter with you. 63 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:27,700 Yeah. Well, and, and the culmination 64 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,900 Ian from that, is that we know what's going on in the whole 65 00:04:30,900 --> 00:04:34,900 country, not only there but the world because as you know, the 66 00:04:34,900 --> 00:04:38,400 world has their eyes on the US as to what's happening. 67 00:04:38,700 --> 00:04:43,500 And so I report now that is waiting for for acknowledgement 68 00:04:43,500 --> 00:04:46,300 from Congress from Senate, from the president, from the 69 00:04:46,500 --> 00:04:49,400 secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services. 70 00:04:50,100 --> 00:04:55,600 We're waiting to see what what is the outcome when a report 71 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:57,500 that you submitted for consideration? 72 00:04:57,500 --> 00:05:00,100 And View. Yes, because we are now being 73 00:05:00,100 --> 00:05:01,200 reviewed. Yes. 74 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,100 And what did it say? What did it propose? 75 00:05:04,100 --> 00:05:12,100 Oh well we responded to the demands or the our mission that 76 00:05:12,100 --> 00:05:16,500 why we were set up for is to take a look at research and how 77 00:05:16,500 --> 00:05:22,200 we can better document and prove the value of complementary 78 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:28,300 alternative medicine and also how accessibility Can be 79 00:05:28,300 --> 00:05:33,000 improved and so that means reimbursement and so forth and 80 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:37,100 the other is the education of the health professionals as they 81 00:05:37,100 --> 00:05:40,400 exist now. How and what do they need to 82 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,100 learn in relationship to complement your alternative 83 00:05:43,100 --> 00:05:47,400 medicine and then the other is the Education and Training of 84 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:50,000 the practitioners of the complementary alternative 85 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,000 medicine. So, that's a lot. 86 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,000 And so it was very exciting. We help town hall meeting 87 00:05:55,200 --> 00:06:01,600 throughout the whole country and We got input from over a 88 00:06:01,608 --> 00:06:05,400 thousand different people, 33 minutes away, but they can 89 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:08,900 submit all that they want. So we did, there was very 90 00:06:08,900 --> 00:06:11,600 excited, so we know what's happening throughout the 91 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:12,800 country. Had I known. 92 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:14,700 I would have submitted. Yes. 93 00:06:14,700 --> 00:06:17,900 Yes, next time. Well, I think things are going 94 00:06:17,900 --> 00:06:22,500 on as a result of this. This commission, I said, open up 95 00:06:22,500 --> 00:06:29,400 wide and I think the university is now all At least 75% of the 96 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:31,400 medical schools have complementary alternative 97 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:35,800 medicine in and so it's never too late to submit even if it's 98 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:39,000 years from now. Because this whole evolvement is 99 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:44,500 going to go into because it took 25 years for acupuncture to be 100 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:51,100 funded by insurance, which happened only in 1977 and 1990 s 101 00:06:51,400 --> 00:07:02,300 97, and it was 1973 74 75 that The big, you know, present about 102 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:05,900 acupuncture because of change in Reston and his experience you 103 00:07:05,900 --> 00:07:09,200 know and Nixon's visit to Chinese and next visit is all 104 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:14,600 happened around the same time so so we're still here is that the 105 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,800 work is fabulous. It's interesting though it's 106 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:22,700 somewhat based on a fallacious premise that Western medicine. 107 00:07:22,700 --> 00:07:27,500 Allopathic medicine is scientifically based or that the 108 00:07:27,700 --> 00:07:31,900 use of pharmaceuticals has a scientific basis and has been 109 00:07:31,900 --> 00:07:36,200 properly researched and tested but that is not necessarily. 110 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:38,800 So in fact there are many instances where we find. 111 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,900 It's not so at all. Well there's complimentary 112 00:07:41,900 --> 00:07:46,300 medicine is being put through a more rigorous tests than our 113 00:07:46,300 --> 00:07:50,100 standard conventional medicine. Well I think you have to go back 114 00:07:50,100 --> 00:07:51,800 to him. Yeah. 115 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:53,300 Right. And you have to go back to 116 00:07:53,300 --> 00:07:57,300 history on that because science was established at the same 117 00:07:57,300 --> 00:07:59,900 time. As medicine sort of like and it 118 00:07:59,900 --> 00:08:01,900 evolves. So therefore the testing of 119 00:08:01,900 --> 00:08:05,700 Western medicine is accordance to the research protocols that 120 00:08:05,700 --> 00:08:08,200 they have in. This is one of the big debates 121 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:12,000 that we've had in all these, you know, various these group 122 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:15,100 conditions and so what do we have? 123 00:08:15,100 --> 00:08:19,500 The research protocol and instrumentation to measure the 124 00:08:19,500 --> 00:08:22,600 healing energy that we're talking about the chi? 125 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:27,500 In China has not even established what she is. 126 00:08:27,700 --> 00:08:31,200 He is and I'm not sure that we can be definitive about that 127 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:34,400 because it's ever changing. And the dollar is theory. 128 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:40,100 And the Buddhist philosophy is that the only constancy in our 129 00:08:40,100 --> 00:08:44,300 life is change itself. Is changes self exact good 130 00:08:44,300 --> 00:08:48,000 measure. I think, I think it's important 131 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:52,600 to try to measure for the science and medical people of 132 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:57,500 the modern Western productive, Petersburg comes unto you. 133 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,500 He's had him on the show. Oh, he's marvelous. 134 00:09:00,700 --> 00:09:04,500 This is gdv machine and it's, it's evolving to all the time, 135 00:09:04,700 --> 00:09:06,600 you know? So we're working very closely 136 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:09,500 with dr. Chronic cough and other people 137 00:09:09,500 --> 00:09:12,600 who have be began to design know you. 138 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:16,400 Met recently with him, you mentioned with when teller with 139 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,900 Deepak Chopra and a meeting recently down in the first. 140 00:09:19,900 --> 00:09:26,500 Oh, I invest test and it's Preposterous physician MD with 141 00:09:26,500 --> 00:09:29,400 the Chopra Center. Kim Deepak could obviously, but 142 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:33,000 he was with us in another conference in San Francisco 143 00:09:33,100 --> 00:09:37,100 Deepak and were also cooperating on various studies. 144 00:09:37,100 --> 00:09:41,600 And also the next Congress on Chico the World Congress on Qi 145 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:45,900 Gong which will be the six World Congress and she got well and so 146 00:09:45,900 --> 00:09:54,000 yes and and so we have a group of wonderful and far thinking 147 00:09:54,700 --> 00:10:01,200 scientists on board looking at Electromagnetic spectrum, their 148 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,500 bio energy. All of that, which is very 149 00:10:04,500 --> 00:10:07,400 exciting. And we're having them research 150 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:10,900 with the chico Masters and I've been measured to myself. 151 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:15,800 And the outcome is very exciting from breath, you know, like 152 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:19,400 before and then doing breath their self and then doing the 153 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:22,900 exercise and taking measurements from all that and it measures 154 00:10:22,900 --> 00:10:26,300 your stress level, measures, your psychological level which, 155 00:10:26,300 --> 00:10:28,200 which instrument is the best Has dr. 156 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:31,200 Chronic cough. Yes. 157 00:10:31,500 --> 00:10:34,800 And then there's some ography, there's other, you know, Valerie 158 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:39,100 hunch as we were discussing earlier has a system also of 159 00:10:39,100 --> 00:10:41,300 measure, I don't know. I'm not familiar with it. 160 00:10:41,300 --> 00:10:42,800 But yes I know she has one night. 161 00:10:42,900 --> 00:10:44,800 She goes back. A long time to solve. 162 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:48,100 I always well yes, one of the first people to actually be able 163 00:10:48,100 --> 00:10:51,300 to measure energetic emissions for yams. 164 00:10:51,300 --> 00:10:53,900 Yes. Along with a bevy of healers. 165 00:10:53,900 --> 00:10:56,000 Yes and build tiller is another one. 166 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:59,600 Yes, way back to Seven years two and we were having all these 167 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:03,600 major conferences and exploring, you know, I'm bringing to the 168 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:08,000 surface all of these so but thank you for your commitment. 169 00:11:08,500 --> 00:11:12,200 It's just it's a wonderful because today we get to reap 170 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:14,700 some of that Harvest. Yeah, no God knows. 171 00:11:14,700 --> 00:11:18,100 There's so much further to go, but there is a lot that has come 172 00:11:18,100 --> 00:11:20,700 to the fore because of the efforts of the earlier. 173 00:11:20,700 --> 00:11:23,700 Pioneers. I was perhaps unfortunately, Too 174 00:11:23,700 --> 00:11:27,200 Young at the time but I was in the second graduating class. 175 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:31,700 Chinese medicine in New York. Oh, State Institute in the 176 00:11:31,708 --> 00:11:36,100 second graduating class in 1984, well and form history to yes. 177 00:11:36,100 --> 00:11:38,000 Indeed. And we were working at changing 178 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,700 legislation here. We practiced it illegally. 179 00:11:40,700 --> 00:11:43,800 Actually for many years. Oh yes, before the state would 180 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:45,600 let us take the exam. That's right. 181 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,500 Bill and San Francisco and California was earlier. 182 00:11:48,500 --> 00:11:51,800 Nevada was first. Yes, and the acupuncture and 183 00:11:52,100 --> 00:11:56,400 then California was about Third and New York was a little later. 184 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:58,700 Yeah. So you are Longer than we were. 185 00:12:01,500 --> 00:12:04,500 But, but you know what is evolved from this movement? 186 00:12:04,500 --> 00:12:09,600 They'll Mitchell, is that it's a real emphasis on people knowing 187 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:15,600 themselves and also it's a self-help and self-care and 188 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:19,700 giving the responsibility back to the individual and this is 189 00:12:19,700 --> 00:12:23,700 where we have to be. Because the healthcare system is 190 00:12:23,700 --> 00:12:27,200 so expensive and that many people don't have insurance. 191 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:31,800 And so people learning chi gong. This is one of my specialty 192 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:34,500 areas and Chinese medicine because it can't puncture 193 00:12:34,500 --> 00:12:37,800 themselves, but they can certainly learn more about herbs 194 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:42,800 and and definitely do the chico exercises in the meditation and 195 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:47,400 also help sense and feel their energy and become more sensitive 196 00:12:47,700 --> 00:12:52,100 to their own state of health and their bodies feeling, and that 197 00:12:52,100 --> 00:12:54,300 balance and imbalance. That's right. 198 00:12:54,300 --> 00:12:56,900 Yes. And and so that, I think the 199 00:12:56,900 --> 00:13:01,800 next Addison is really the medicine of the people and that 200 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:05,000 is and I hate to use a word medicine because it connotes, 201 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:09,200 you know that yes you take drugs and surgery but we're using it 202 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:13,900 broadly, in a sense that the people can create Wellness 203 00:13:13,900 --> 00:13:18,400 within themselves from the in the way that love is medicine. 204 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:22,100 Yes, long way the Native Americans speak of a touch of 205 00:13:22,100 --> 00:13:25,100 sage on a hot rock as medicine. Yeah, you know. 206 00:13:25,100 --> 00:13:29,200 Yes it's something healing. Well, A truce is a four-letter 207 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:35,100 word that is essential and this is no matter how high your skill 208 00:13:35,100 --> 00:13:40,100 is, no matter how intelligent you are, no matter how you heal 209 00:13:40,100 --> 00:13:43,200 people, but the maintenance of the healing or healing of 210 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:48,300 yourself is love. Would you give us a an overview, 211 00:13:48,300 --> 00:13:53,500 Fe of your you've developed your own Chi Kung system an 212 00:13:53,500 --> 00:13:56,700 integrated, the Chow integrated healing system. 213 00:13:56,700 --> 00:13:59,200 Yes, she cooks. Could you just walk us through 214 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:01,800 the principles of that because that will start to bring the 215 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:05,300 entire subject of medicine and healing from the external 216 00:14:05,500 --> 00:14:07,700 relying on someone else to the internal? 217 00:14:07,700 --> 00:14:10,000 Where it really most belongs? Yeah. 218 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:15,500 Well, it's not either/or and so we talk about integration of 219 00:14:15,500 --> 00:14:21,500 Western modern medicine and also the ethnic healing practices. 220 00:14:21,500 --> 00:14:24,000 Yes. And which is a whole system 221 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,800 within itself. We tend to look at acupuncture 222 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:30,500 as isolated. Elated modality and when we talk 223 00:14:30,500 --> 00:14:33,400 about complementary alternative medicine, that's what we tend to 224 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:35,500 do is think about the modalities. 225 00:14:35,500 --> 00:14:39,400 And when we want to sort of Band-Aid the system and 226 00:14:39,500 --> 00:14:42,900 introduce just this works. So therefore the child 227 00:14:42,900 --> 00:14:46,800 integrated healing system is taking a look at the systems and 228 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:50,100 how we can integrate them. And if we look at the and 229 00:14:50,100 --> 00:14:54,700 compare them, we can either see them as different or we can see 230 00:14:54,700 --> 00:14:56,700 that the differences have similarities. 231 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:00,000 And that one complements the other. 232 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:05,800 And so, for example, the body mind spirit and how we relate 233 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:08,500 with Universe. This is part of the Buddhist and 234 00:15:08,500 --> 00:15:13,500 the Dow is principles that we can't exist in isolation of the 235 00:15:13,500 --> 00:15:16,700 whole, which is the universe and the nature. 236 00:15:17,100 --> 00:15:21,800 And if we pollute nature, it's coming back to haunt us. 237 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:27,100 And it is already because our 10 greatest Killers is because of 238 00:15:27,100 --> 00:15:32,600 our Style or bad lifestyle of living and the polluted 239 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:36,600 environment is no longer the germ or the virus or, you know, 240 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:40,000 whatever is that. And that is what we do with 241 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:42,300 ourselves so that testing points. 242 00:15:42,300 --> 00:15:46,800 So that fact the German, the viruses and bacteria become more 243 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:51,600 prevalent because of the poor lifestyle choices and therefore 244 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:54,300 the weakened immune function weaken, the immune function and 245 00:15:54,300 --> 00:15:57,000 that's it. So the very basis of the child 246 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:00,900 Healing system is taking a look at everything that helps to 247 00:16:00,900 --> 00:16:04,700 build the immune system. Build up the individual Farm, a 248 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:10,200 physical emotional, spiritual kind of environmental status and 249 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:14,700 so simple, things like acknowledging people and looking 250 00:16:14,700 --> 00:16:18,200 in the eye and smiling and saying hello. 251 00:16:18,500 --> 00:16:22,000 As if you really mean it and today we're too casually just go 252 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:26,200 by and and sort of hmm. And they more people actually 253 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:29,200 that's right or else you agree. Them with a very, you know. 254 00:16:29,500 --> 00:16:34,600 And and then also to say goodbye also the same way so that you 255 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:38,200 never regret that you weren't more attentive to the person 256 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:42,200 when something happens to them, you know, and how often have we, 257 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:46,600 you know, some time somebody dies, when the last time we said 258 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:48,600 and we didn't pay much attention, then there's all. 259 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:51,800 So, all this is self-esteem Moore's. 260 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:53,300 Yeah. And self-esteem, when you 261 00:16:53,300 --> 00:16:55,500 acknowledge a person, gives them self esteem. 262 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:59,700 So self-esteem the lack of Self-esteem begins to erode the 263 00:16:59,700 --> 00:17:02,400 individual. And so, therefore that's very 264 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:06,800 important and laughter and the laughter is a sound of the 265 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:10,700 heart. And, and so, if you laugh and 266 00:17:10,700 --> 00:17:14,099 this, why prescribed at least three bellyaching laughs a day, 267 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:20,300 not just he faded full deep and really to the guts, you know, 268 00:17:21,500 --> 00:17:25,099 your heart, you know, and steam exactly. 269 00:17:25,099 --> 00:17:27,400 Yes. And at least eight hugs a day. 270 00:17:27,500 --> 00:17:31,900 Day-O at least now the laughter and how these are chickens Hogs, 271 00:17:31,900 --> 00:17:34,800 folks. Yes, Chico has yeah good, just 272 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:36,500 exchange of energy. Yeah. 273 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:41,800 And then of course, taking time for yourself because a lot of 274 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:45,000 times people get ill because they don't have time for this or 275 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:49,100 they feel guilty taking time for themselves or they don't think 276 00:17:49,100 --> 00:17:52,200 of themselves enough. I'd like they're always have to 277 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:56,400 help people and they feel that their feel guilty taking time to 278 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:57,400 notice how once. Yeah. 279 00:17:57,700 --> 00:18:01,600 And that's why we get sick because somehow we have to take 280 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:04,100 time for yourself and if you don't take it and good times and 281 00:18:04,100 --> 00:18:08,600 say, go out and play tennis or even just sit and enjoy beings 282 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:12,700 their nature. Yes, the nature then God, or 283 00:18:12,700 --> 00:18:16,400 Buddha, or whoever you refer to as a greater spirit is going to 284 00:18:16,408 --> 00:18:20,300 knock you and say, you take time for yourself. 285 00:18:20,300 --> 00:18:23,600 Is that makes sense. Well and so therefore you have 286 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:26,200 to take time but then you're chasing around seeing doctors 287 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:30,100 and all that stuff. So anyway, and so meditation is 288 00:18:30,100 --> 00:18:35,800 very important as part of it, and then exercise and diet are 289 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:42,400 all areas that we need to do you promote the original traditional 290 00:18:42,900 --> 00:18:49,500 Gastronomy of Chinese, basic more related to the use of raw 291 00:18:49,500 --> 00:18:53,100 food, or things that go on more in the Western countries, now as 292 00:18:53,100 --> 00:18:56,700 a moderation for people. But if you have very severe 293 00:18:56,700 --> 00:19:00,500 conditions, I think you need to take a look at the diet from a 294 00:19:00,500 --> 00:19:06,500 more, just a more serious and more critical than like from the 295 00:19:06,500 --> 00:19:10,400 point of view as you know in the 5 Element theory, for instance. 296 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:12,300 Yes. Which has always been 297 00:19:12,300 --> 00:19:14,200 historically a very hotly debated. 298 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:17,500 In controversial subject, among traditional Chinese 299 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,200 practitioners going back, many hundreds of years. 300 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:22,300 Most people don't even know that that's the case. 301 00:19:22,300 --> 00:19:27,300 They just think it's all one big fine pot of wisdom. 302 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:32,400 But in fact, there were many attitudes expressed toward the 5 303 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:36,600 Element Theory but as you know in it for every organ is a 304 00:19:36,608 --> 00:19:42,100 related food yes and meet relationship and so when you 305 00:19:42,100 --> 00:19:45,900 speak with people about I do include that understand I do 306 00:19:45,900 --> 00:19:51,200 definitely I use the yin-yang concept and but I speak from a 307 00:19:51,208 --> 00:19:54,000 western standpoint. So I use language from the 308 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:57,400 Western temporary yin. Yang is like negative positive. 309 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:01,900 It is a dual polarity and the laws of the five element is is 310 00:20:02,100 --> 00:20:07,200 the harmony of Nature. And definitely there is a very 311 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:11,100 different way to look at the human body Mind and Spirit from 312 00:20:11,100 --> 00:20:15,300 the Five Element and there's some diversion but not, not 313 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:18,800 basically the principle is self, okay? 314 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:23,800 There's many paths to go but the fact that our organs and 315 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:28,800 ourselves where microcosm within a macrocosm Mmm, and that are my 316 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:34,200 new cell has the whole universe reflected in it, and I organs 317 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:38,300 then relate to the time of day, and the weather and the emotions 318 00:20:38,300 --> 00:20:43,000 and the time and and the sounds and what we eat taste and all 319 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:47,700 that and like I can talk to a whole group of people and even 320 00:20:47,700 --> 00:20:52,300 as large as 10 thousand or five thousand or individual 121, I 321 00:20:52,300 --> 00:20:57,300 can tell what their moods are by their dress, by the colors. 322 00:20:57,500 --> 00:21:01,000 That I see in the audience. So because each organ and 323 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:05,200 emotion is reflected by their color that they, that they were, 324 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:10,100 and people choose to wear what they feel, they need. 325 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:14,600 And it's you choose to wear and you choose to eat what you 326 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:21,700 basically need for health. Not because of the position, I 327 00:21:21,700 --> 00:21:23,900 think it's a bit more complex than that actually. 328 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:27,200 Well, it is because it's answering to the balance or the 329 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:31,700 it imbalance of the energy in your system and so spleen is 330 00:21:31,700 --> 00:21:32,800 yellow. Okay. 331 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:37,600 Heart is red and Lung and large intestine is white and kidney, 332 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:42,600 and bladder is blue, and liver and gallbladder is green. 333 00:21:42,900 --> 00:21:47,100 And so the when you wearing these colors, you have basically 334 00:21:47,100 --> 00:21:49,500 chosen what you need to supplement this. 335 00:21:49,900 --> 00:21:52,600 Those particular any origin and then it goes into all the other 336 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:54,600 relationships directly. Exactly. 337 00:21:54,900 --> 00:21:57,900 I want to bring something else up because I you Given some 338 00:21:57,900 --> 00:22:01,200 indications of some of the work that you have done with people 339 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:05,300 individually, which is just so interesting to me and I believe 340 00:22:05,300 --> 00:22:08,700 will be to the audience based on your cheekbone system that 341 00:22:08,700 --> 00:22:13,600 you've now get him in at least, some bullet points about some of 342 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,800 the work that you have done has been really rather formidable. 343 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,000 You were telling me about a story that I think. 344 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,800 In fact, we you refer to Deepak Chopra before he referred 345 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:26,000 someone to you, who was in a coma first, quite a few people 346 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:30,000 to me, I'd love to R that story again if you share that one 347 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:36,100 specific case of recent is gentleman 82 years old who had 348 00:22:36,100 --> 00:22:41,500 three strokes and one seizure, rendering him, comatose and 349 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:47,500 needing a feeding tube and non responsive to light or skin or 350 00:22:47,700 --> 00:22:51,400 pain inflicted on him. And they said he would have 351 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,300 doctors has questioned very much. 352 00:22:54,300 --> 00:22:57,300 They said it's doubtful he would ever walk again. 353 00:22:57,700 --> 00:23:02,300 Nor eat again, nor really have full Consciousness as Centre. 354 00:23:02,500 --> 00:23:05,500 And this was at a University Hospital University Medical 355 00:23:05,500 --> 00:23:10,900 Center. And so, so the the, the family 356 00:23:10,900 --> 00:23:14,700 flew me there and this was February, this first, he had the 357 00:23:14,900 --> 00:23:18,700 problem and February 12th. When I arrived, he was exactly. 358 00:23:18,700 --> 00:23:23,000 That, still comatose and and non-responsive and in the one 359 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,700 session we got him responding. That was just the evening. 360 00:23:26,700 --> 00:23:29,100 I was just going to go. Go see where he is and so he 361 00:23:29,100 --> 00:23:34,200 responded the next day, we got him with help into a chair and 362 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:39,200 the next day we got him walking, 20 feet and subsequently fifth 363 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,500 day. We had a catheter out and put 364 00:23:42,500 --> 00:23:48,000 him on the toilet and he walked about 200 feet on the Six-Day 365 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,500 10th day around. Then he was discharged from the 366 00:23:51,508 --> 00:23:57,200 acute unit and into and went was discharged to a rehab. 367 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,300 Sing home that's unheard of for that. 368 00:24:00,300 --> 00:24:02,900 I'm with teca with you had mentioned full cognitive. 369 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:07,600 Oh yes he walked away and and in three weeks time we got the 370 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,900 doctors to write in order to go home for visits. 371 00:24:11,300 --> 00:24:14,700 That means getting in the car getting and at home he responded 372 00:24:14,700 --> 00:24:17,900 really well and the doctors came on around every day. 373 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,600 While I was there at the University Medical Center and 374 00:24:21,700 --> 00:24:25,100 the chief medical doctor. There is telling the residence 375 00:24:25,100 --> 00:24:29,700 as well since dr. Chow came His progress has been 376 00:24:29,700 --> 00:24:32,700 remarkable. It's been unbelievable. 377 00:24:32,900 --> 00:24:35,800 It's been striking. These are the words that he of 378 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,800 you said that and they've been most Cooperative at the physical 379 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,500 therapists occupational. Therapists the doctors. 380 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:45,200 And so when we wanted three hours of physiotherapy instead 381 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:51,900 of one hour, he wrote the order. And so they were very 382 00:24:51,900 --> 00:24:55,300 cooperative and then when I felt that he should really exercise 383 00:24:55,300 --> 00:25:00,300 is swallowing, they said so I ordered ice and that, and 384 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,700 phenomenal. And even when we were feeding 385 00:25:03,700 --> 00:25:08,600 him, pureed food, he was still under the normal, medical order 386 00:25:08,700 --> 00:25:12,800 of n P0, which is nothing by mouth, but they allowed me and 387 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,500 the family to feed them to see what this pocket. 388 00:25:15,500 --> 00:25:20,900 And he was eating three quarters of a full meal of of you know, 389 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,800 pureed food and he was still on npl. 390 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,200 But you know so these are the kind of working together. 391 00:25:27,300 --> 00:25:29,700 Remember excite. This is not provable. 392 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,200 Just remember. Well, they observe. 393 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:39,700 Yeah, well, we, we really, I have enough time for One More 394 00:25:39,700 --> 00:25:41,600 Story. One More Story. 395 00:25:41,700 --> 00:25:46,800 Well, we have a little child, six years old who was born 396 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:51,800 cerebral, palsied had a brain damage and so when I saw him I 397 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,600 year ago we first came and referred by a doctor. 398 00:25:55,100 --> 00:25:58,600 He was like a spaghetti, you don't you Move him and there was 399 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:04,100 no bone structure and really them within and I traveled to to 400 00:26:04,100 --> 00:26:08,900 Ottawa once a month for three days and with then by June, he 401 00:26:08,900 --> 00:26:11,000 was up and walking in the meditation. 402 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:16,100 He got so powerful in a group attended my group, your teaching 403 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,200 meditation and Chic. Oh yes. 404 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:19,800 Oh yeah. Well chief minister who is 405 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,800 meditating right and the exercise of moving in the city. 406 00:26:22,900 --> 00:26:25,700 Yes. And he got up and stood up so I 407 00:26:25,700 --> 00:26:29,600 ran over and we walked And he walked, and he's now still 408 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:33,900 walking and now doing much better and he writes, Beautiful. 409 00:26:33,900 --> 00:26:37,000 Poetry, beautiful, poetry cultivate. 410 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,000 She and build strong bones and many ways. 411 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,400 Yes, build. Strong immunity. 412 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,500 And that's where it is. And also a strong mind because 413 00:26:45,500 --> 00:26:48,200 the mind can do everything a mind and love. 414 00:26:49,100 --> 00:26:52,700 That is a great. I can overcome almost anything. 415 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,200 That's a beautiful point to end on. 416 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:01,900 Thank you so much, laughing shit for your great work this year. 417 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:06,000 I really appreciate being here, good, very glad to have you. 418 00:27:06,300 --> 00:27:07,200 You're doing. Wonderful. 419 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,500 Work to thank you. Yes, thank you need to bring 420 00:27:10,500 --> 00:27:13,500 many ideas out to the world and change it. 421 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:16,800 This is Mitchell. J Raven for a better world. 422 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,700 Thanks so much for joining us and we look forward to seeing 423 00:27:19,700 --> 00:27:21,400 you all next week.