Hello and welcome back to a better world.
This is your host Mitchell J Raven and we're very glad you're
joining us again today. Today, we're going to have
another very interesting show. We have with us.
Dr. Fe ciao, dr. Fe Chow is From San Francisco
where she founded the East West Academy of Healing Arts.
She has been appointed by former President, Clinton to the
commission on alternative medicine part of the United
States government. She has been a consultant, the
United States government in the number of different, kinds of
departments, helping them Health and Human Services in particular
helping them understand the role that holistic and Alternative
medicine can play in the larger National Health policy and her
credentials are so vast. I can't possibly some them up
right now, but she is known around the world for her healing
for her work as an acupuncturist and her integrated.
Tom which will be speaking about in some detail on the show.
She's also the author of this book and numerous videos and
audio tapes that have been in circulation like good.
She all around the world, she's made a difference in many
people's lives. She's networked into the upper
echelon of healers and holistic practitioners in this country
and around the world. And is really making a
significant contribution to the promotion and education.
Of holistic, medicine and health.
So, I know I hit on many different points there because
they're all true. I mean, you really making a
great contribution and we want to just thank you from the
beginning for the work that you've been dedicated to.
Thank you very much for having me.
I'm just delighted very much so, absolutely, absolutely.
You are one of those people have either been on this track for
some 30 or so years and committed.
And it's just always a real pleasure for me to see people
who have made up their Mine's to do something in this world and
they just do it. Nothing gets in their way?
Yeah, well I think it's a it's a whether you believe that you're
here on a mission on this Earth and this Earth is like a
spaceship and that there's other other stations, yes, that we go
to and so therefore we have to take advantage of this station
that were in. And, and I'm very fortunate that
I have the background of the The eastern and the Western.
So that things we what I do can be more effective and as you
mentioned in my background that I like being the practitioner
being the Healer as well, as I like being the strategist and
the policymakers, for example, back in the 70s, we were helping
our teachers, our acupuncturist get out of jail.
And other questioners and holistic practitioner getting
out of jail in the 70s like to see medicine for Patton.
Acupuncture well and which actually the case has got thrown
out of your out of court because nobody was claiming, they were
practicing medicine. They were practicing acupuncture
or Homeopathy or holistic, health energetic, balance and
agenda have analysis. And so it was it was really
quite exciting that time and now All that I wear.
We have risen to the point that there's in the government, they
office of alternative medicine, which has become the national
Center for complementary and alternative medicine, which I
was on the advisory Council to help develop.
And then the President's White House Commission on
complementary and alternative medicine policy.
And that is really exciting of to matter with you.
Yeah. Well, and, and the culmination
Ian from that, is that we know what's going on in the whole
country, not only there but the world because as you know, the
world has their eyes on the US as to what's happening.
And so I report now that is waiting for for acknowledgement
from Congress from Senate, from the president, from the
secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services.
We're waiting to see what what is the outcome when a report
that you submitted for consideration?
And View. Yes, because we are now being
reviewed. Yes.
And what did it say? What did it propose?
Oh well we responded to the demands or the our mission that
why we were set up for is to take a look at research and how
we can better document and prove the value of complementary
alternative medicine and also how accessibility Can be
improved and so that means reimbursement and so forth and
the other is the education of the health professionals as they
exist now. How and what do they need to
learn in relationship to complement your alternative
medicine and then the other is the Education and Training of
the practitioners of the complementary alternative
medicine. So, that's a lot.
And so it was very exciting. We help town hall meeting
throughout the whole country and We got input from over a
thousand different people, 33 minutes away, but they can
submit all that they want. So we did, there was very
excited, so we know what's happening throughout the
country. Had I known.
I would have submitted. Yes.
Yes, next time. Well, I think things are going
on as a result of this. This commission, I said, open up
wide and I think the university is now all At least 75% of the
medical schools have complementary alternative
medicine in and so it's never too late to submit even if it's
years from now. Because this whole evolvement is
going to go into because it took 25 years for acupuncture to be
funded by insurance, which happened only in 1977 and 1990 s
97, and it was 1973 74 75 that The big, you know, present about
acupuncture because of change in Reston and his experience you
know and Nixon's visit to Chinese and next visit is all
happened around the same time so so we're still here is that the
work is fabulous. It's interesting though it's
somewhat based on a fallacious premise that Western medicine.
Allopathic medicine is scientifically based or that the
use of pharmaceuticals has a scientific basis and has been
properly researched and tested but that is not necessarily.
So in fact there are many instances where we find.
It's not so at all. Well there's complimentary
medicine is being put through a more rigorous tests than our
standard conventional medicine. Well I think you have to go back
to him. Yeah.
Right. And you have to go back to
history on that because science was established at the same
time. As medicine sort of like and it
evolves. So therefore the testing of
Western medicine is accordance to the research protocols that
they have in. This is one of the big debates
that we've had in all these, you know, various these group
conditions and so what do we have?
The research protocol and instrumentation to measure the
healing energy that we're talking about the chi?
In China has not even established what she is.
He is and I'm not sure that we can be definitive about that
because it's ever changing. And the dollar is theory.
And the Buddhist philosophy is that the only constancy in our
life is change itself. Is changes self exact good
measure. I think, I think it's important
to try to measure for the science and medical people of
the modern Western productive, Petersburg comes unto you.
He's had him on the show. Oh, he's marvelous.
This is gdv machine and it's, it's evolving to all the time,
you know? So we're working very closely
with dr. Chronic cough and other people
who have be began to design know you.
Met recently with him, you mentioned with when teller with
Deepak Chopra and a meeting recently down in the first.
Oh, I invest test and it's Preposterous physician MD with
the Chopra Center. Kim Deepak could obviously, but
he was with us in another conference in San Francisco
Deepak and were also cooperating on various studies.
And also the next Congress on Chico the World Congress on Qi
Gong which will be the six World Congress and she got well and so
yes and and so we have a group of wonderful and far thinking
scientists on board looking at Electromagnetic spectrum, their
bio energy. All of that, which is very
exciting. And we're having them research
with the chico Masters and I've been measured to myself.
And the outcome is very exciting from breath, you know, like
before and then doing breath their self and then doing the
exercise and taking measurements from all that and it measures
your stress level, measures, your psychological level which,
which instrument is the best Has dr.
Chronic cough. Yes.
And then there's some ography, there's other, you know, Valerie
hunch as we were discussing earlier has a system also of
measure, I don't know. I'm not familiar with it.
But yes I know she has one night.
She goes back. A long time to solve.
I always well yes, one of the first people to actually be able
to measure energetic emissions for yams.
Yes. Along with a bevy of healers.
Yes and build tiller is another one.
Yes, way back to Seven years two and we were having all these
major conferences and exploring, you know, I'm bringing to the
surface all of these so but thank you for your commitment.
It's just it's a wonderful because today we get to reap
some of that Harvest. Yeah, no God knows.
There's so much further to go, but there is a lot that has come
to the fore because of the efforts of the earlier.
Pioneers. I was perhaps unfortunately, Too
Young at the time but I was in the second graduating class.
Chinese medicine in New York. Oh, State Institute in the
second graduating class in 1984, well and form history to yes.
Indeed. And we were working at changing
legislation here. We practiced it illegally.
Actually for many years. Oh yes, before the state would
let us take the exam. That's right.
Bill and San Francisco and California was earlier.
Nevada was first. Yes, and the acupuncture and
then California was about Third and New York was a little later.
Yeah. So you are Longer than we were.
But, but you know what is evolved from this movement?
They'll Mitchell, is that it's a real emphasis on people knowing
themselves and also it's a self-help and self-care and
giving the responsibility back to the individual and this is
where we have to be. Because the healthcare system is
so expensive and that many people don't have insurance.
And so people learning chi gong. This is one of my specialty
areas and Chinese medicine because it can't puncture
themselves, but they can certainly learn more about herbs
and and definitely do the chico exercises in the meditation and
also help sense and feel their energy and become more sensitive
to their own state of health and their bodies feeling, and that
balance and imbalance. That's right.
Yes. And and so that, I think the
next Addison is really the medicine of the people and that
is and I hate to use a word medicine because it connotes,
you know that yes you take drugs and surgery but we're using it
broadly, in a sense that the people can create Wellness
within themselves from the in the way that love is medicine.
Yes, long way the Native Americans speak of a touch of
sage on a hot rock as medicine. Yeah, you know.
Yes it's something healing. Well, A truce is a four-letter
word that is essential and this is no matter how high your skill
is, no matter how intelligent you are, no matter how you heal
people, but the maintenance of the healing or healing of
yourself is love. Would you give us a an overview,
Fe of your you've developed your own Chi Kung system an
integrated, the Chow integrated healing system.
Yes, she cooks. Could you just walk us through
the principles of that because that will start to bring the
entire subject of medicine and healing from the external
relying on someone else to the internal?
Where it really most belongs? Yeah.
Well, it's not either/or and so we talk about integration of
Western modern medicine and also the ethnic healing practices.
Yes. And which is a whole system
within itself. We tend to look at acupuncture
as isolated. Elated modality and when we talk
about complementary alternative medicine, that's what we tend to
do is think about the modalities.
And when we want to sort of Band-Aid the system and
introduce just this works. So therefore the child
integrated healing system is taking a look at the systems and
how we can integrate them. And if we look at the and
compare them, we can either see them as different or we can see
that the differences have similarities.
And that one complements the other.
And so, for example, the body mind spirit and how we relate
with Universe. This is part of the Buddhist and
the Dow is principles that we can't exist in isolation of the
whole, which is the universe and the nature.
And if we pollute nature, it's coming back to haunt us.
And it is already because our 10 greatest Killers is because of
our Style or bad lifestyle of living and the polluted
environment is no longer the germ or the virus or, you know,
whatever is that. And that is what we do with
ourselves so that testing points.
So that fact the German, the viruses and bacteria become more
prevalent because of the poor lifestyle choices and therefore
the weakened immune function weaken, the immune function and
that's it. So the very basis of the child
Healing system is taking a look at everything that helps to
build the immune system. Build up the individual Farm, a
physical emotional, spiritual kind of environmental status and
so simple, things like acknowledging people and looking
in the eye and smiling and saying hello.
As if you really mean it and today we're too casually just go
by and and sort of hmm. And they more people actually
that's right or else you agree. Them with a very, you know.
And and then also to say goodbye also the same way so that you
never regret that you weren't more attentive to the person
when something happens to them, you know, and how often have we,
you know, some time somebody dies, when the last time we said
and we didn't pay much attention, then there's all.
So, all this is self-esteem Moore's.
Yeah. And self-esteem, when you
acknowledge a person, gives them self esteem.
So self-esteem the lack of Self-esteem begins to erode the
individual. And so, therefore that's very
important and laughter and the laughter is a sound of the
heart. And, and so, if you laugh and
this, why prescribed at least three bellyaching laughs a day,
not just he faded full deep and really to the guts, you know,
your heart, you know, and steam exactly.
Yes. And at least eight hugs a day.
Day-O at least now the laughter and how these are chickens Hogs,
folks. Yes, Chico has yeah good, just
exchange of energy. Yeah.
And then of course, taking time for yourself because a lot of
times people get ill because they don't have time for this or
they feel guilty taking time for themselves or they don't think
of themselves enough. I'd like they're always have to
help people and they feel that their feel guilty taking time to
notice how once. Yeah.
And that's why we get sick because somehow we have to take
time for yourself and if you don't take it and good times and
say, go out and play tennis or even just sit and enjoy beings
their nature. Yes, the nature then God, or
Buddha, or whoever you refer to as a greater spirit is going to
knock you and say, you take time for yourself.
Is that makes sense. Well and so therefore you have
to take time but then you're chasing around seeing doctors
and all that stuff. So anyway, and so meditation is
very important as part of it, and then exercise and diet are
all areas that we need to do you promote the original traditional
Gastronomy of Chinese, basic more related to the use of raw
food, or things that go on more in the Western countries, now as
a moderation for people. But if you have very severe
conditions, I think you need to take a look at the diet from a
more, just a more serious and more critical than like from the
point of view as you know in the 5 Element theory, for instance.
Yes. Which has always been
historically a very hotly debated.
In controversial subject, among traditional Chinese
practitioners going back, many hundreds of years.
Most people don't even know that that's the case.
They just think it's all one big fine pot of wisdom.
But in fact, there were many attitudes expressed toward the 5
Element Theory but as you know in it for every organ is a
related food yes and meet relationship and so when you
speak with people about I do include that understand I do
definitely I use the yin-yang concept and but I speak from a
western standpoint. So I use language from the
Western temporary yin. Yang is like negative positive.
It is a dual polarity and the laws of the five element is is
the harmony of Nature. And definitely there is a very
different way to look at the human body Mind and Spirit from
the Five Element and there's some diversion but not, not
basically the principle is self, okay?
There's many paths to go but the fact that our organs and
ourselves where microcosm within a macrocosm Mmm, and that are my
new cell has the whole universe reflected in it, and I organs
then relate to the time of day, and the weather and the emotions
and the time and and the sounds and what we eat taste and all
that and like I can talk to a whole group of people and even
as large as 10 thousand or five thousand or individual 121, I
can tell what their moods are by their dress, by the colors.
That I see in the audience. So because each organ and
emotion is reflected by their color that they, that they were,
and people choose to wear what they feel, they need.
And it's you choose to wear and you choose to eat what you
basically need for health. Not because of the position, I
think it's a bit more complex than that actually.
Well, it is because it's answering to the balance or the
it imbalance of the energy in your system and so spleen is
yellow. Okay.
Heart is red and Lung and large intestine is white and kidney,
and bladder is blue, and liver and gallbladder is green.
And so the when you wearing these colors, you have basically
chosen what you need to supplement this.
Those particular any origin and then it goes into all the other
relationships directly. Exactly.
I want to bring something else up because I you Given some
indications of some of the work that you have done with people
individually, which is just so interesting to me and I believe
will be to the audience based on your cheekbone system that
you've now get him in at least, some bullet points about some of
the work that you have done has been really rather formidable.
You were telling me about a story that I think.
In fact, we you refer to Deepak Chopra before he referred
someone to you, who was in a coma first, quite a few people
to me, I'd love to R that story again if you share that one
specific case of recent is gentleman 82 years old who had
three strokes and one seizure, rendering him, comatose and
needing a feeding tube and non responsive to light or skin or
pain inflicted on him. And they said he would have
doctors has questioned very much.
They said it's doubtful he would ever walk again.
Nor eat again, nor really have full Consciousness as Centre.
And this was at a University Hospital University Medical
Center. And so, so the the, the family
flew me there and this was February, this first, he had the
problem and February 12th. When I arrived, he was exactly.
That, still comatose and and non-responsive and in the one
session we got him responding. That was just the evening.
I was just going to go. Go see where he is and so he
responded the next day, we got him with help into a chair and
the next day we got him walking, 20 feet and subsequently fifth
day. We had a catheter out and put
him on the toilet and he walked about 200 feet on the Six-Day
10th day around. Then he was discharged from the
acute unit and into and went was discharged to a rehab.
Sing home that's unheard of for that.
I'm with teca with you had mentioned full cognitive.
Oh yes he walked away and and in three weeks time we got the
doctors to write in order to go home for visits.
That means getting in the car getting and at home he responded
really well and the doctors came on around every day.
While I was there at the University Medical Center and
the chief medical doctor. There is telling the residence
as well since dr. Chow came His progress has been
remarkable. It's been unbelievable.
It's been striking. These are the words that he of
you said that and they've been most Cooperative at the physical
therapists occupational. Therapists the doctors.
And so when we wanted three hours of physiotherapy instead
of one hour, he wrote the order. And so they were very
cooperative and then when I felt that he should really exercise
is swallowing, they said so I ordered ice and that, and
phenomenal. And even when we were feeding
him, pureed food, he was still under the normal, medical order
of n P0, which is nothing by mouth, but they allowed me and
the family to feed them to see what this pocket.
And he was eating three quarters of a full meal of of you know,
pureed food and he was still on npl.
But you know so these are the kind of working together.
Remember excite. This is not provable.
Just remember. Well, they observe.
Yeah, well, we, we really, I have enough time for One More
Story. One More Story.
Well, we have a little child, six years old who was born
cerebral, palsied had a brain damage and so when I saw him I
year ago we first came and referred by a doctor.
He was like a spaghetti, you don't you Move him and there was
no bone structure and really them within and I traveled to to
Ottawa once a month for three days and with then by June, he
was up and walking in the meditation.
He got so powerful in a group attended my group, your teaching
meditation and Chic. Oh yes.
Oh yeah. Well chief minister who is
meditating right and the exercise of moving in the city.
Yes. And he got up and stood up so I
ran over and we walked And he walked, and he's now still
walking and now doing much better and he writes, Beautiful.
Poetry, beautiful, poetry cultivate.
She and build strong bones and many ways.
Yes, build. Strong immunity.
And that's where it is. And also a strong mind because
the mind can do everything a mind and love.
That is a great. I can overcome almost anything.
That's a beautiful point to end on.
Thank you so much, laughing shit for your great work this year.
I really appreciate being here, good, very glad to have you.
You're doing. Wonderful.
Work to thank you. Yes, thank you need to bring
many ideas out to the world and change it.
This is Mitchell. J Raven for a better world.
Thanks so much for joining us and we look forward to seeing
you all next week.