1 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:37,900 Hello, and welcome back to a better world. 2 00:00:37,900 --> 00:00:39,700 This is your host Mitchell J Raven. 3 00:00:39,900 --> 00:00:41,800 We're very glad you're joining us again today. 4 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:44,800 Today, we're going to have another very interesting show. 5 00:00:45,100 --> 00:00:49,000 We are on location in Santa Barbara, California, an 6 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:54,100 incredibly beautiful place and we are we are at the Sacred 7 00:00:54,100 --> 00:00:58,400 Water Symposium and this is a group that has convened to 8 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:03,900 discuss, very pressing issues. Relating to water globally, both 9 00:01:03,900 --> 00:01:08,000 the economics, the politics, the spirituality of water, the 10 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,400 nourishment, the health aspects, Of water. 11 00:01:10,700 --> 00:01:15,000 And among the People speaking one of the speaker's is a lovely 12 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:19,800 gentleman named Bill Cox who has been a dowser for the past 35 13 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:23,500 years prior to that he was a writer and he continued to be a 14 00:01:23,500 --> 00:01:29,000 writer on the subject of dowsing and water and related subjects. 15 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:31,400 So we're very glad to have Bill with us today and he's going to 16 00:01:31,408 --> 00:01:35,300 be speaking with us about some important pieces of the puzzle 17 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:41,200 that we all could learn two more about So Bill, thanks so much 18 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:43,500 for being on the show with us. She played on, thank you, 19 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:49,000 pleasure to have you good? First of all, there is this idea 20 00:01:49,300 --> 00:01:54,800 that of water and most people have some idea of what water is 21 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:58,100 although probably not closely examined, then there's this 22 00:01:58,100 --> 00:02:00,200 idea. Also that you spoke about the 23 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,800 other day of primary water. Perhaps you could just Enlighten 24 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:06,400 our audience about what is its nature. 25 00:02:06,500 --> 00:02:09,100 And then after that, how do you find it? 26 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:12,600 We good. Well, primary water is new 27 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:16,400 water. Created above the magma, as 28 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:21,500 superheated Steam with a cat. Geochemical, it's going on and 29 00:02:21,500 --> 00:02:25,700 this steam is pressurized with the addition of carbon and other 30 00:02:25,700 --> 00:02:31,300 minerals, and it's pushed up to rock and eventually it Finds Its 31 00:02:31,700 --> 00:02:36,100 near to or at the surface of the Earth Yellowstone National Park. 32 00:02:36,100 --> 00:02:39,700 We see geysers, for example or it comes up in volcanic. 33 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:43,100 Action sometimes. And this water what we call a 34 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:50,100 box and they hydrogen and oxygen H2O and you have butter and 35 00:02:50,100 --> 00:02:53,500 that's what we are dealing with in the hydrosphere on the Earth 36 00:02:53,500 --> 00:02:57,100 today. So essentially then it is its 37 00:02:57,500 --> 00:03:03,500 water and vaporize State that's not on the surface but emanating 38 00:03:03,500 --> 00:03:08,000 from Center or closer to the Center of the Earth. 39 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:11,500 It's coming from within In to, without that's the point. 40 00:03:11,900 --> 00:03:15,600 Oh stop. Stop stop. 41 00:03:16,500 --> 00:03:18,900 Okay, so let me just make sure I understand this. 42 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:23,400 Basically, you're talking about a vapor water into vapor estate, 43 00:03:23,500 --> 00:03:29,400 come on, Earth, issuing outward as opposed to our ordinary idea 44 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:33,400 of say, surface water. Yes, that's the basic idea that 45 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:37,800 then then condenses and you have liquid water. 46 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,900 Yes, it's true. And it Come from the center of 47 00:03:40,900 --> 00:03:43,900 the earth that comes from the magma, which is more or less to 48 00:03:43,900 --> 00:03:47,200 three miles down below the surface of the Earth, okay? 49 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:53,900 And it finds its way up through, enter sizes in the Rock and we 50 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,300 sometimes they're called one of my favorite word's. 51 00:03:56,300 --> 00:04:04,800 Yeah, it's good, it's good and the my job is to find it near 52 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:08,300 enough to the Earth where you can economically afford to drill 53 00:04:08,700 --> 00:04:11,000 to bring it up. Or use the surface. 54 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:14,000 I see. So is that note you brought this 55 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:19,100 wonderful chart with this help? Yes, it's understand General. 56 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:23,500 This is all rock and magma down here and this is rock. 57 00:04:23,900 --> 00:04:27,900 And these are like vents or pipes that allow the water to 58 00:04:27,900 --> 00:04:31,200 find its way up to the surface naturally occurring fractures. 59 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:36,000 Yes, it's hard as a rock hence are the pipes pipes in effect 60 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,600 and sometimes it only goes up so far and stops. 61 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,900 It's super heated, Steam down here and as it comes up, it 62 00:04:42,900 --> 00:04:47,200 cools and condenses and sometimes it's just awful tough 63 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:50,500 by the chemicals. That this heat picks up the and 64 00:04:50,700 --> 00:04:53,200 from The Rock from The Rock. Yes. 65 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:56,900 And though the idea it's very hard sometimes to drill down and 66 00:04:56,907 --> 00:05:00,000 get right into one of those caps because it may be very small. 67 00:05:00,100 --> 00:05:03,400 Oh, so what we try to do is an area where there are fractures 68 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:08,100 where it's moving out laterally some like these veins here and 69 00:05:08,100 --> 00:05:11,700 then then you've got a Chance to find, maybe a two or three 70 00:05:11,700 --> 00:05:16,600 levels where the water can be captured at more than one depth, 71 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,000 all in the same vein as or the same. 72 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:23,300 And we're talking about depths within two or three thousand but 73 00:05:23,300 --> 00:05:26,900 my job is really to find it within two hundred to maybe 74 00:05:26,900 --> 00:05:31,300 1,000 feet and an average of about 4, 500 feet, maybe 600 75 00:05:31,300 --> 00:05:36,400 feet in quantities, sufficient for agriculture use. 76 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:43,900 Now how is it then that That if it's vapor here and it's going 77 00:05:43,900 --> 00:05:47,100 against gravity. Yes, that's very good question. 78 00:05:47,100 --> 00:05:51,400 What pulls it up? Well, the very nature of water 79 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:58,900 is called the very nature of water is that it wants to send 80 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:03,500 even when it comes to the to the Earth's surface, we call it 81 00:06:03,500 --> 00:06:07,600 evaporation and it goes up and as it gathers, it condenses into 82 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,000 clouds. And when the clouds get to Heavy 83 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,800 in the right mixture of the elements and heat in the cold. 84 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:16,700 Why it rains back down on us and this is called meteoric, or 85 00:06:16,700 --> 00:06:19,900 weathered Waters. And that's wonderful and science 86 00:06:19,900 --> 00:06:22,800 that they learn. In college in hydrology, 87 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:26,300 basically says that all water comes from rainfall or recycled 88 00:06:26,300 --> 00:06:32,000 rainfall percolating into the end ground and so on and I'm 89 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:36,600 Ruby water and this is a hard thing to sell because they say 90 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,400 even down in the magma, the water is percolating all the way 91 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:41,800 down. Made into steam and recycled 92 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:46,000 back up but it's chemistry that's going on down there High 93 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,200 School teachers. The high school teachers know 94 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:52,000 about primary water but they you won't find it in textbooks too 95 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,400 easy there. They might call a primordial or 96 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,800 they have other names for juvenile waters. 97 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:02,200 Are virgin Waters, never seen the light of day, they'll have 98 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:05,200 different terms for but it sounds like that's not what you 99 00:07:05,207 --> 00:07:07,500 think mean. If it's because it sounds like 100 00:07:07,500 --> 00:07:09,900 it's recycled from reindeer. Guess what? 101 00:07:09,900 --> 00:07:13,400 There's a cold all the time. So what is Virgin? 102 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:18,600 Well that's when actually they call it in very by must provide 103 00:07:19,100 --> 00:07:24,400 or just by their juvenile Waters, the new Waters recycle, 104 00:07:24,900 --> 00:07:29,800 Jen water is new and so it's your understanding that this 105 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:35,600 actually is newborn. Wonk the magma. 106 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,900 Yeah, level. Where, how do you understand? 107 00:07:41,700 --> 00:07:45,500 It's made there, and then a steam blowing it on the table, 108 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,800 first, a cold. And as you heat it up. 109 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:53,200 And finally, here chernin what happens to this team, there's 110 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:55,900 really an argument for The Ether, you know, when you think 111 00:07:55,900 --> 00:08:00,000 of when it becomes invisible. Yeah, but what I mean, is at the 112 00:08:00,008 --> 00:08:04,900 beginning, where does it comes? I mean, there is as magma in the 113 00:08:04,907 --> 00:08:06,700 beginning. There was mad but you know, 114 00:08:06,700 --> 00:08:09,500 something like that magma. It's where we called 115 00:08:09,700 --> 00:08:13,700 Biochemistry when it first was, there's different schools of 116 00:08:13,700 --> 00:08:17,900 thought on this, but as a great big ball of molten, whatever it 117 00:08:17,900 --> 00:08:23,500 was that kept us spent finally cooled over time and condensed, 118 00:08:23,900 --> 00:08:26,800 and then there were volcanoes and geysers and so on. 119 00:08:27,100 --> 00:08:30,900 And one school says, well at the Earth was born already with an 120 00:08:30,900 --> 00:08:33,600 atmosphere and another one says, no, it couldn't have. 121 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,200 It was too hot 2,000 or more degrees. 122 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:44,100 Maybe it was taught Earth itself from later, what we call magma, 123 00:08:44,100 --> 00:08:47,400 which closer to the Earth. I'm talking about the littles, 124 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:52,300 the little of sphere is just below the surface and then we 125 00:08:52,300 --> 00:08:55,500 call the Earth. The hydrosphere is where the 126 00:08:55,500 --> 00:08:58,200 waters are the rivers and the lakes and the ocean, okay? 127 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:00,000 And then we have that the atmosphere. 128 00:09:00,100 --> 00:09:03,600 Okay? But the idea is that think just 129 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:11,800 of magma, This like thick. Yeah, black dense material 130 00:09:12,700 --> 00:09:16,900 somehow or another hydrogen, and oxygen are marrying. 131 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:22,700 Their yes, is forming water, they're making of water, yet the 132 00:09:22,700 --> 00:09:27,500 making liquid water, like, in the teapot which begins as cold 133 00:09:27,500 --> 00:09:31,400 water. And then, as it rises it steams, 134 00:09:31,700 --> 00:09:35,300 and then it liquefied well at all molted. 135 00:09:35,500 --> 00:09:38,800 Archers, aim superheat, the Arts esteem. 136 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:41,600 Okay, which condenses and cools later. 137 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:44,700 Later on, as it comes up, Liquid in the hot water. 138 00:09:44,900 --> 00:09:48,100 And then it goes, further up, it cools, and it can find private. 139 00:09:48,100 --> 00:09:53,400 The surface is cold water. Now, what is being created this 140 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:53,900 way? Bill? 141 00:09:54,100 --> 00:10:00,600 This this is producing, 1,000, 2,000, 5,000 gallons, a minute. 142 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:06,200 That's a lot of water enough for all City coming new water. and, 143 00:10:11,500 --> 00:10:24,300 Have you seen this to be? You know, it's very, very 144 00:10:24,500 --> 00:10:37,300 interesting. History goes back to his father. 145 00:10:37,500 --> 00:10:42,000 girls who are Norwegian mining engineer, who discovered that on 146 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:50,200 the Rock Post near the old drill into pot, bring up fresh water 147 00:10:50,300 --> 00:10:54,600 where normally you would expect saltwater intrusion Pleasant or 148 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:59,400 at times there might have been but they were so Eric, paper s, 149 00:11:00,100 --> 00:11:04,600 and one year around the turn of the century, coming into the 150 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:09,200 20th century and he was nominated for an Prize for his 151 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:14,000 work. I don't think was ever awarded 152 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:17,700 but he would received it recommendation for Wow. 153 00:11:18,300 --> 00:11:21,000 And so what has become of this knowledge? 154 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:27,200 Well, sort of carried forward by people like myself, who believe 155 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:31,900 that we were connected with knowledge. 156 00:11:31,900 --> 00:11:37,500 There are very Who used team used to located. 157 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:39,100 Sure. There are others who are 158 00:11:39,100 --> 00:11:43,200 experiencing it in their own way that science working with it. 159 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:46,700 And they call other names Nature's Own internal sources, 160 00:11:46,700 --> 00:11:51,200 or whatever, ice it's the same thing, it's interesting. 161 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:57,000 You know, you're reminding me of the Chinese pictogram or 162 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:05,400 ideogram their word life force, which is The in actually shows 163 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:09,700 is the steamer Vapor coming off of millet. 164 00:12:09,700 --> 00:12:16,500 Now, I don't know if there's any relationship between this steam 165 00:12:16,500 --> 00:12:21,200 coming out of the earth and this particular way and the steam 166 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:25,800 that the Chinese are referring to as the very life force of 167 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:29,100 life itself. But for some reason, it wouldn't 168 00:12:29,100 --> 00:12:32,600 surprise me if the Chinese many thousands of years ago were 169 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,800 onto. I'm like yeah because after 170 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:40,000 doing to work for twenty five twenty years, I found out about 171 00:12:41,100 --> 00:12:44,400 and I was handed a wonderful manuscript which had been 172 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:48,600 translated from Chinese and exchange data. 173 00:12:49,100 --> 00:12:51,500 And I found this, this is marvelous. 174 00:12:51,900 --> 00:12:55,400 They're doing what I'm doing in their own way hundreds of 175 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:59,100 centuries ago and it was confirmation that I was on the 176 00:12:59,100 --> 00:13:04,100 right track and Sochi from this point of view is That the 177 00:13:04,100 --> 00:13:12,200 primordial source is what they call Wu wuu, woochi, right. 178 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:17,800 Which comes out and it becomes Tai Chi, or no, pardon me, it 179 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:20,900 divides into yin and yang. Well, but that's the Tai Chi. 180 00:13:20,900 --> 00:13:23,400 Yeah, and right. And yeah, that's Tai Chi and 181 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:27,200 divides into you still arity of the of the one, the opposite, 182 00:13:27,500 --> 00:13:29,000 right? As we will live in a world of 183 00:13:29,008 --> 00:13:33,000 Duality or opposites and then so then out of this. 184 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:36,200 Yin and yang force. That is specialized Chief will 185 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:39,100 Tri is the life force. You can call it the Dow. 186 00:13:39,300 --> 00:13:42,200 I think the Dow is what it really is. 187 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,100 So I began to understand what the doll was and yin and yang. 188 00:13:45,300 --> 00:13:48,200 So I find a lot of Yin and Yang and all of natural. 189 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:51,500 And this is part of, this is Yang that of the magma. 190 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:54,300 Good when it but type by the time he gets near the surface, 191 00:13:54,300 --> 00:13:57,600 it becomes more than I am and Waters marvelous because it can 192 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:01,100 be very masculine and aggressive and stormy sea, or it can be a 193 00:14:01,100 --> 00:14:05,600 Placid Lake and very calm. Exactly anything to be and it 194 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:06,600 does. Right. 195 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:08,600 Exactly. It's both the male and the 196 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:09,700 female. Yeah. 197 00:14:10,300 --> 00:14:11,500 Active. And the passive. 198 00:14:11,500 --> 00:14:14,000 Exactly exactly. Very interesting. 199 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:17,300 So there are implications to all this, of course. 200 00:14:17,300 --> 00:14:19,800 Yeah. I mean for our world that is 201 00:14:20,300 --> 00:14:23,900 virtually starved for water as time goes on. 202 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:27,100 And some of the issues that we're dealing with here at this 203 00:14:27,100 --> 00:14:32,000 conference is is in some measure the scarcity of water. 204 00:14:32,100 --> 00:14:34,900 Yes. So If you're saying that 205 00:14:34,900 --> 00:14:38,500 basically, it's on every continent, and even in every 206 00:14:38,500 --> 00:14:43,100 desert, then water really need, not be a problem. 207 00:14:43,100 --> 00:14:46,500 That it looks like it is now. Well, I don't want to digress, 208 00:14:46,500 --> 00:14:48,300 but I want to make a short statement. 209 00:14:48,300 --> 00:14:53,800 Sure that if you take him at the left, end of a spectrum or are 210 00:14:53,900 --> 00:14:56,700 along rods, they and yang at the Right End. 211 00:14:57,100 --> 00:15:00,600 One of the thing is to Yen. Nature, doesn't like that. 212 00:15:00,700 --> 00:15:02,300 It like somewhere near the middle. 213 00:15:02,300 --> 00:15:04,800 O Shah alam's. It doesn't a 50/50 is a 214 00:15:04,808 --> 00:15:07,700 standoff, so it needs to be a little more Yen, or a little 215 00:15:07,700 --> 00:15:10,700 more Yang. Now, for thing this to Yen 216 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:14,000 nature is going to step in and flip that thing over and it 217 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:17,200 becomes this opposite. So, suddenly becomes violent 218 00:15:17,300 --> 00:15:22,600 becomes active in Yang, or if it's to Yang, it only flip over 219 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:25,800 and then the real aggressiveness slows down and becomes pasi. 220 00:15:26,100 --> 00:15:31,000 And we go out, we've got a trophy so that it'll work its 221 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:34,400 way back to the middle. This explains why we Have that 222 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:37,900 don't last forever earthquakes, they would never stop. 223 00:15:38,300 --> 00:15:42,200 So when the flood is done is damaged or the earthquake, why 224 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:45,300 nature steps into? Hey, we need a little quiet Yen, 225 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:50,600 but three, just a few years back and Northridge is rather quiet, 226 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:54,600 place little little earthquakes for say, 50 years or so. 227 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:58,000 And all of a sudden, it was 22 Yen, too, passive. 228 00:15:58,300 --> 00:16:01,300 And they had this round earthquake and, like, the ones 229 00:16:01,300 --> 00:16:03,300 we're seeing in the paper in Japan, and so on. 230 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:07,100 We're places to Yen nature stepping in and say, hey, we're 231 00:16:07,100 --> 00:16:08,300 going to get this in the balance. 232 00:16:08,300 --> 00:16:12,300 What does that thing have to do with accessing primary water? 233 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:14,800 Well, it's the same thing. The primary water down a boat, 234 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:18,800 is superheated steam. In is roiling and borrow yesi 235 00:16:19,300 --> 00:16:23,700 climbs becoming yeah, the surface, then it spreads out. 236 00:16:23,700 --> 00:16:26,300 And then the nature of the surface environment has yin and 237 00:16:26,300 --> 00:16:29,800 yang going on Sunshine moonshine, or you know what I 238 00:16:29,808 --> 00:16:31,000 mean. Right right. 239 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,400 Right by the time we get our hands on. 240 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:40,000 It, it's already become passive, well Yellowstone Park, the Old 241 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:43,100 Faithful. That's coming up all the way, 242 00:16:43,900 --> 00:16:46,000 but it goes into steam into the air. 243 00:16:46,100 --> 00:16:48,500 Yes. And I became him right in the so 244 00:16:48,500 --> 00:16:51,600 the I never met the condensable. Yeah, there may not have 245 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,100 windstorms up there to sell. Well, that would be kind of 246 00:16:54,100 --> 00:16:55,800 contrary to the yin and yang, right? 247 00:16:56,000 --> 00:17:01,400 So, how will, how do you use dowsing as a means of finding 248 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:04,599 either primary water or Water in general, right? 249 00:17:04,599 --> 00:17:08,300 I would like to say this that what we call whether you are 250 00:17:08,300 --> 00:17:11,900 like water, which comes from the atmosphere like all snow melt 251 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,200 and flood, runoff and percolating into the 252 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:16,500 underground. It behaves differently 253 00:17:16,500 --> 00:17:22,500 underground, then primary water okay, and as a dowser through my 254 00:17:22,500 --> 00:17:26,099 intuition, I've learned to feel the difference. 255 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:31,100 No, it sounds boastful or thing, but it was nature teaching me 256 00:17:31,100 --> 00:17:33,400 and, and so you learn by your mistakes. 257 00:17:33,500 --> 00:17:34,900 In your successes. Sure. 258 00:17:34,900 --> 00:17:37,200 And I'm there to see the Moment of Truth when they do the 259 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:40,600 drilling, whether I'm right, or he has and always an exciting 260 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:42,700 moment. Imagine shows nature said, no 261 00:17:42,700 --> 00:17:45,800 wonder you've been missing anything here so so it taught me 262 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:48,700 how to feel when there's a this up. 263 00:17:48,700 --> 00:17:51,700 Russ, I answered. It would just literally go up 264 00:17:51,700 --> 00:17:54,800 into the air. But what's going on here and 265 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:56,100 eventually? It was mentioned. 266 00:17:56,300 --> 00:18:00,200 Hey, you fool. This is a pie this coming up and 267 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:02,800 closed surface. And so the idea, then was 268 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:03,700 finally closed. Enough. 269 00:18:03,700 --> 00:18:08,700 So we could drill down and get into it because it's and 270 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,700 geologists. Hydrologists drill all Drillers. 271 00:18:11,700 --> 00:18:13,300 They don't like to drill in Solid Rock. 272 00:18:13,300 --> 00:18:17,100 See all the way to 10. Are going to get anything but we 273 00:18:17,100 --> 00:18:20,400 have unless you know look few good occasion. 274 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:23,100 You can drill through Consolidated Rock. 275 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:28,200 I'm several hundred feet and you get into the fractures and it's 276 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:32,500 a fractures at the outlets that will do it all in the water 277 00:18:32,900 --> 00:18:35,200 actually. Becomes Artesian many times or 278 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:37,000 free-flowing? Yes. 279 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:43,900 So you get proof in 1080, don't use tools. 280 00:18:43,900 --> 00:18:47,800 I mean some people use pendulums and divining Rod, what happened? 281 00:18:47,900 --> 00:18:55,900 Aha, well, it's just this version version of a water 282 00:18:55,900 --> 00:19:00,900 compass that Mr. Cameron who is my granted and it has the 283 00:19:00,900 --> 00:19:04,100 capability of different dowsing. Instruments all rolled into one. 284 00:19:04,100 --> 00:19:07,300 Wow, works as a directional, Vice this way. 285 00:19:10,900 --> 00:19:13,800 Feel numbers by the way, I haven't I just count but I have 286 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:18,500 to feel oh and it also operates as a gravity pendulum down in 287 00:19:18,500 --> 00:19:23,300 the in the lower situations way and it also operates as an 288 00:19:23,300 --> 00:19:26,700 upright Pendulum In This Way. Wow, any pendulum. 289 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:31,000 It'll also later gyrate this way, it took 22 years to get all 290 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:34,300 those instruments into one. That was a masterful thing that 291 00:19:34,300 --> 00:19:38,200 you did who sought by 1952 he achieved that goal. 292 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:40,900 Wow. And the instrument over the 293 00:19:40,900 --> 00:19:44,500 years, there were probably well over 100,000 that Europe. 294 00:19:45,900 --> 00:19:48,100 Wow. Now when you say feel the 295 00:19:48,100 --> 00:19:53,900 numbers or feel the location of the water hard question, but 296 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,600 what does it feel? Like, what is it your thing? 297 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:01,800 You decide that? Well, if the water is this in 298 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:03,800 with this directional thing, if the water is moving, 299 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:07,600 horizontally, this will move off in the direction of the flow. 300 00:20:07,900 --> 00:20:13,800 If it's And I can tell by the speed, cause we just pull off. 301 00:20:14,100 --> 00:20:15,600 How much were you? I'd be in there. 302 00:20:16,100 --> 00:20:20,200 Now, it also doesn't know that you're searching for sometimes. 303 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,000 For instance, you search for oil. 304 00:20:22,500 --> 00:20:26,100 See I let, well, it, when I'm in Market, my wife sent me here to 305 00:20:26,100 --> 00:20:29,500 buy a bread, like, with milk, I'm going to get a good kick. 306 00:20:29,700 --> 00:20:34,800 Oh whatever. So be sure and stay focused and 307 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:40,600 not the high screen by herself. Basically the questioning is 308 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:44,300 hello, you've got the questions phrase and you have stay 309 00:20:44,300 --> 00:20:46,900 focused. Okay, so you have to maintain 310 00:20:47,300 --> 00:20:49,400 and just ask the question and then let it go. 311 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,100 There's a need to maintain the question pane it. 312 00:20:52,100 --> 00:20:56,900 And you have to know if you lost Focus that you did or how to get 313 00:20:56,900 --> 00:20:59,700 it back and focus, recaptured, otherwise, you're going to be 314 00:20:59,700 --> 00:21:02,800 wandering off of the Lamb. Yeah. 315 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:08,000 See you ask the action case the primary water nearest. 316 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,500 But what I do, I set up code beforehand. 317 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:15,300 What's all this? This is the S answer at this is 318 00:21:15,300 --> 00:21:18,400 beyond my physical control through my autonomic nervous 319 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:23,300 system, the energy moves through and look through my autonomic 320 00:21:23,300 --> 00:21:29,500 nervous system you Julie way. But anyway then this is a no 321 00:21:29,500 --> 00:21:33,700 answer to the left if I get into an uncertain situation it'll 322 00:21:33,900 --> 00:21:36,100 vacillate this way. It will go clear over. 323 00:21:36,500 --> 00:21:41,300 So means Ian don't know, maybe possible. 324 00:21:41,700 --> 00:21:46,600 Question unclear, try to have to examine that to find out what it 325 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,400 is and we're dowsing. A lot of people make a mistake, 326 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,900 they insist on an absolute yes or an absolute, no. 327 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:55,100 And it's not readily forthcoming. 328 00:21:55,500 --> 00:21:58,500 So they'll some kind of subconscious mind goes in as 329 00:21:58,500 --> 00:22:00,600 well. We're going to have some fun 330 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,600 here because it doesn't know right from wrong. 331 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:07,000 It is not a reasoning part of us and they have subconscious mind 332 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:10,000 says, well, he wants And he invents. 333 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:14,600 I'm not here. He'll send up signal and give 334 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,400 this a stir. He intervenes that gave Mickey 335 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,400 Mouse in the fantasy. Remember when he was getting the 336 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,500 broom handles the carry the water. 337 00:22:24,500 --> 00:22:27,100 They're kind of a thing that happens and it gives you 338 00:22:27,100 --> 00:22:30,000 something to startle. You can have to lose yourself 339 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:34,600 and Lose Yourself, I see. But anyway this code I work and 340 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,600 I make you essentially your programming, it programming and 341 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,000 I picture Direct your senior. Yes. 342 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,800 And you know and the directions so come back to your question 343 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:47,300 about numbers. Yeah, I mean by number one so I 344 00:22:47,300 --> 00:22:53,700 am determined, I feel about it. But number two, it's a has its 345 00:22:53,700 --> 00:22:57,100 own color in its own and then in series. 346 00:22:57,100 --> 00:23:01,200 So G the number two. So that image. 347 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:05,800 Yeah, I can feel them and safe water, and each one has to be 348 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,700 distinct this thing. Now, I'll give you a Is your 349 00:23:08,700 --> 00:23:12,500 picture to work because our in picture with a yes answer. 350 00:23:12,700 --> 00:23:15,600 I picture somebody standing before me nodding their head. 351 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:19,600 Yes, and I check it. And if it doesn't work, I get 352 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,900 two people standing in for, I'm pretty soon. 353 00:23:21,900 --> 00:23:25,400 If I need a whole Army of them out there also yes. 354 00:23:25,500 --> 00:23:28,800 Yes, yes. And for me, the pretty soon this 355 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:30,400 single move on it. And it'll go. 356 00:23:30,500 --> 00:23:33,100 Yeah. It's got whatever this intuitive 357 00:23:33,100 --> 00:23:34,300 part of the mind. Right? 358 00:23:34,300 --> 00:23:37,400 Right. No, no, it's no or no, no, no. 359 00:23:37,900 --> 00:23:42,100 And then If it's on certain kind of like this c-could, you 360 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:48,200 program a sensation. So I mean, it could be that. 361 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:52,000 Let's say you were tribute yellow to number three. 362 00:23:52,100 --> 00:23:54,100 Yes. But you've got 20 numbers, I 363 00:23:54,100 --> 00:23:55,800 mean. And what if you go back and it's 364 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,900 like yellow comes up and you forget that it was three in it, 365 00:23:59,100 --> 00:24:02,900 you're thinking that a seven. I mean there's like wow, it's a 366 00:24:02,900 --> 00:24:06,800 sound program, it seems like there's also a large margin for 367 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:08,000 error. I was wondering if you could 368 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:12,000 just Program and to give you like a certain sensation, a 369 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:16,700 glowing feeling or us sense of warmth in one wrist or something 370 00:24:16,700 --> 00:24:18,700 like that. But we're working with basically 371 00:24:18,700 --> 00:24:23,500 with other than 09 numbers. Okay, so, say, okay, the first 372 00:24:23,500 --> 00:24:27,100 number could just be blocked. I see the not color that what 373 00:24:27,100 --> 00:24:29,700 they call it and then the other could be white. 374 00:24:29,700 --> 00:24:33,400 They all color and then nice and the next one could be three 375 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:38,200 yellow for could be three red for you. 376 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,900 Green and then yellow and then orange and blue through the 377 00:24:42,900 --> 00:24:44,600 Spectrum. Right? 378 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,800 Okay. So there's a way of doing it in 379 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:52,200 a way that they vibrate then we asked vibrating more and you get 380 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,000 this picture. So when you want the number, why 381 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,900 it goes to the feeling level, what we call a noetic. 382 00:24:58,900 --> 00:25:03,300 Yes, intuitional feeling, so empty inside, not senses with 383 00:25:03,300 --> 00:25:05,400 sentient. The senses are setting up the 384 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,100 program like a computer program, right? 385 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:12,600 What But if the finder is the sentient feeling side, right? 386 00:25:12,700 --> 00:25:15,100 And you got to know which ones doing it, otherwise you can get 387 00:25:15,100 --> 00:25:17,600 confused of core and one can't do the work of the other. 388 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,700 They have to work together. Of course. 389 00:25:20,100 --> 00:25:23,400 Now what I mean, I know that you're well known and you've 390 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,400 been doing this for some 35 years. 391 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,600 What is the actual rate of success? 392 00:25:28,900 --> 00:25:30,700 A finding what it is you're looking for. 393 00:25:31,100 --> 00:25:35,800 This is a question that always comes up if the questions and My 394 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:40,500 Success depend on our qualifier. This way and finding water. 395 00:25:40,500 --> 00:25:45,400 Underground water and better about the 95. 96 percent dry 396 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:49,700 holes would be less than 5% or where I didn't get anything. 397 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:55,700 Oh, but if my client needs 50 gallons a minute, and I think 398 00:25:55,700 --> 00:25:57,000 there's 50 gallons a minute done. 399 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,700 And we get 40 is not a failure. No, that means I got more work 400 00:26:00,700 --> 00:26:02,400 to do, right? Or you know what I mean? 401 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:08,200 Yes, they're not becomes variable, so I run about 65 75. 402 00:26:08,300 --> 00:26:11,400 Percent sometimes a little higher depending on what's going 403 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,800 on in that getting the volume of water. 404 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,500 He needs with one hole within the scope of his economical 405 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:20,400 ability. Sure, sure. 406 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:24,800 And then in another one, where I get the one where I get less 407 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,600 water than he needs, and we may have to drill another well, or 408 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,800 do there's a lot of important have. 409 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,300 What happens if you drill a? Well, is it completion of the 410 00:26:33,300 --> 00:26:35,200 well? So I'm depending on the well 411 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,200 driller, a lot to for Success, sure, because if he doesn't 412 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,800 Drill a hole perfectly straight down. 413 00:26:41,300 --> 00:26:44,300 I've got this formation pattern formation down, are not laying 414 00:26:44,300 --> 00:26:46,900 it off on the well driller. But I need good competent. 415 00:26:46,900 --> 00:26:49,300 Well, drilling. Sure, otherwise, it's all about 416 00:26:49,300 --> 00:26:51,900 what you see. The ratio goes down so that I 417 00:26:51,900 --> 00:26:53,100 work with good. Very good. 418 00:26:53,100 --> 00:26:55,500 Well, drillers, who do not understand the process that I 419 00:26:55,500 --> 00:27:00,000 work and they level up the rig very nicely and to put weight on 420 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,600 the collar so that they're more likely to go straight down 421 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:07,800 within a degree or measures. So it's very important. 422 00:27:08,300 --> 00:27:10,400 Even the setup rice, take the site. 423 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,600 They don't move the steak because I'm patterning above 424 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,700 ground. What's going on below ground? 425 00:27:15,900 --> 00:27:19,400 Exactly hydrologist. He's patterning patterning. 426 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,500 What he sees above ground and try to figure out what to do 427 00:27:21,500 --> 00:27:22,600 below ground? Exactly. 428 00:27:23,300 --> 00:27:26,600 Well it's just so interesting. What you're doing, it really is, 429 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:31,100 it's wonderful work, and it's very inspiring as well. 430 00:27:31,300 --> 00:27:34,300 Thank you to people who have been in the non dowsing world. 431 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,300 What I've always had a real feel for Dowsers anyway, so it's 432 00:27:37,300 --> 00:27:39,600 really a pleasure to sit. Talk with you and wonderful to 433 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,900 be interview. Good good interviewer. 434 00:27:42,100 --> 00:27:44,400 Thanks so much for being on with us, my pleasure. 435 00:27:45,500 --> 00:27:47,500 This is Mitchell, J Raven for Better World. 436 00:27:47,500 --> 00:27:50,700 Thanks so much for joining us and we will look forward to 437 00:27:50,700 --> 00:27:52,600 seeing you next week.