1 00:00:00,100 --> 00:00:04,000 Today I'm going on a sartorial Journey with actress singer 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:08,300 producer radio presenter, the star, who's known as the first 3 00:00:08,300 --> 00:00:12,400 lady of British musical theater the wonderful, and Brilliant 4 00:00:12,500 --> 00:00:16,200 Elaine, Paige Obe, welcome Elaine. 5 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:18,700 It's so wonderful to have you here. 6 00:00:18,700 --> 00:00:21,600 It really is and lovely to catch up with you again, while it's 7 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:24,800 been a while as you have been a while we go back, many, many 8 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:27,000 years. And in fact, I was flicking 9 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:31,300 through Google search as you do the other Day on images and I 10 00:00:31,300 --> 00:00:34,300 thought oh I recognize that coat. 11 00:00:34,300 --> 00:00:38,100 Oh, I recognize that fraught. Well you did make many many 12 00:00:38,100 --> 00:00:40,600 wonderful pieces for me. Didn't you did over the years. 13 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:43,500 Yes. And early days, Terri early days 14 00:00:43,500 --> 00:00:48,700 and I think I had travelled With You from One sort of shocks to 15 00:00:48,700 --> 00:00:57,400 another Studio to address and of course, yes, you made me 16 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:03,400 wonderful pieces that Hot. What I loved about your designs 17 00:01:03,700 --> 00:01:08,100 were that they were simple and straightforward and for somebody 18 00:01:08,100 --> 00:01:13,300 that small like me, that's the perfect look because, you know, 19 00:01:13,300 --> 00:01:16,900 if you're little, you need something that elongates you and 20 00:01:17,100 --> 00:01:21,300 gives you height and the Simplicity of your designs, help 21 00:01:21,300 --> 00:01:25,500 me in that regard because it were, that is incredibly kind of 22 00:01:25,500 --> 00:01:28,000 you. You were one of my very, very 23 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:31,800 early was I cut I didn't know, I was there. 24 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:33,300 I mean you were trying things out. 25 00:01:34,700 --> 00:01:39,000 I do remember one panic moment of, you know, you were coming 26 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:42,500 for a final fitting and I went into the workroom to just sort 27 00:01:42,500 --> 00:01:47,600 of check on your dress and thinking, oh my God, we have 28 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:49,900 just chopped too much of the bottom. 29 00:01:50,100 --> 00:01:54,600 This is an because I never think of you as being as petite as you 30 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:57,500 are. And I really had that moment of, 31 00:01:57,600 --> 00:01:59,600 oh my God, this is going to be waiting. 32 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,300 Way too short that it wasn't perfect. 33 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:08,699 Oh my goodness. So what have you been up to? 34 00:02:08,699 --> 00:02:12,300 What's, what's the latest? Well, the latest, you know, 35 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:16,400 after the pandemic which you know kept us all rather grounded 36 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:20,300 throughout nevertheless. I did do my radio show we never 37 00:02:20,300 --> 00:02:25,300 missed a week rumor has it. But next year is 60 years of you 38 00:02:25,300 --> 00:02:27,300 in the industry. And is that true? 39 00:02:27,500 --> 00:02:30,300 Isn't it frightening 60s Wheezing. 40 00:02:30,300 --> 00:02:33,900 It's a credible achievement. Well, I suppose, I don't know. 41 00:02:33,900 --> 00:02:36,200 I mean, it's just you don't think of it like that. 42 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:39,400 Really just think crikey ever. I really been around that long. 43 00:02:41,100 --> 00:02:45,600 But yes, yes, it's going to be 60 years next year and so we're 44 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:49,000 sort of making plans going to show you allowed to share any 45 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,400 other great that. Yeah, well, you know, I'm 46 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:55,000 writing my autobiography and to the memories come sir, pardon 47 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,500 the pun. So the memories keep flooding 48 00:02:58,500 --> 00:02:59,800 back when I don't back. Keep flooding. 49 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,800 Back at you, have to. It's quite an interesting 50 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:05,500 process writing, isn't it? Something quite new to me, 51 00:03:05,500 --> 00:03:11,800 really, you know, you sit there staring at the computer and 52 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:13,900 thinking and thinking right now because somebody said to me, you 53 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:17,700 write the first ten years first, okay. 54 00:03:17,700 --> 00:03:20,100 Yeah, got that. Ha ha, you go home and you 55 00:03:20,108 --> 00:03:24,000 think, oh, how am I going to drag those childhood memories to 56 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:27,800 the front of my brain? But once you actually sit there 57 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:32,600 quietly and sort of think about, It it, it is amazing. 58 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:37,400 How you can sort of, remember, a few things anyway, which I've 59 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:42,400 managed to do and like with the help of photographs and so on, 60 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,300 you know, that that sort of jog, someone's memory, that there are 61 00:03:45,300 --> 00:03:47,000 brilliant, brilliant, each other. 62 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:48,800 Yes. Brilliant source of being able 63 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,400 to sort of lurch forward into that. 64 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:55,800 So, I've I've remembered things that are quite amazed myself, 65 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:58,600 that I even remembered, if you see what I mean, while we're on 66 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:01,000 that, I know. Your mother was a milliner. 67 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,500 She was growing up. Yes. 68 00:04:03,500 --> 00:04:07,800 Do you have memories of her Workshop? 69 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:12,400 I think I learned my idea of clothes and fashion and style 70 00:04:12,500 --> 00:04:18,100 from her because that was my first idea of seeing anybody 71 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:23,400 dressed well and she always beautifully dressed and she 72 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,800 would never leave the house without a hat and she used to 73 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:29,800 say no you're not, you're not properly dressed. 74 00:04:29,900 --> 00:04:32,700 Without a hat. And she always wore a hat, even 75 00:04:32,700 --> 00:04:35,900 if she was just going to Sainsbury's and wasn't shocked 76 00:04:35,900 --> 00:04:37,600 that she had made. Usually. 77 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:39,800 Yes. And and I can remember in the 78 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,600 house. We lived in a maze in it, in 79 00:04:42,900 --> 00:04:46,700 Barnet High Street, there was in our bathroom, the bath there 80 00:04:46,700 --> 00:04:52,500 were often there was often that cold water, sort of immuno, 18 81 00:04:52,500 --> 00:04:56,100 inches of cold water and this stuff called spot ra. 82 00:04:56,300 --> 00:04:59,800 Don't know if you know what that is, but it is sort of a mess. 83 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:04,700 Type stuff and she used to have a role of this, you know, laid 84 00:05:04,700 --> 00:05:08,500 out in the bath, it had to be wet because when she took it out 85 00:05:08,500 --> 00:05:10,200 of the bath it would be malleable. 86 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:13,800 Yeah. And she had like a wig stand a 87 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:19,300 hat stand and she would shape the spot ra on the, on the 88 00:05:19,300 --> 00:05:23,300 headstand and that would be and then leave it to dry. 89 00:05:23,300 --> 00:05:26,000 And that would be the base of the Hat. 90 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,200 Yeah. And then I can remember watching 91 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:33,800 her create these are amazing concoctions of hats and they 92 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,300 would be depending on the season. 93 00:05:36,300 --> 00:05:39,900 Some would be made of felt some would be made of straw. 94 00:05:39,900 --> 00:05:45,200 If it was the summer, she use feathers and velvet velvets. 95 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:49,800 And, you know, depending on the season she would use various 96 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:52,800 materials. And you help garnish 1? 97 00:05:52,900 --> 00:05:54,200 No, no. Never, never. 98 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:56,400 What are you ensure? I watched it all. 99 00:05:56,400 --> 00:06:00,700 I mean I would watch this from nothing appear in this Beautiful 100 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:05,500 creations. And did you ever have any idea 101 00:06:05,500 --> 00:06:09,600 of following her into that or were you always in front of a 102 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:13,500 mirror performing, do yourself? No, I can't say. 103 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,400 I know I've never stood in front of a mirror performing to 104 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:23,400 myself. You never are because I am not 105 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:28,000 one of those persons with the hairbrush cavorting around 106 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:29,700 pretending to sing. No, never never. 107 00:06:29,900 --> 00:06:34,500 Never no, no my own my own creativity. 108 00:06:34,500 --> 00:06:39,100 I think was, you know, in the front room of my of this flat 109 00:06:39,100 --> 00:06:43,800 where we live just Mason it. And I had a doll called Pamela 110 00:06:44,300 --> 00:06:47,200 and she was about 18 inches tall, I suppose. 111 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:50,100 But she her arms moved and her legs mood, and she blinked and 112 00:06:50,100 --> 00:06:52,300 things. And, and I used to spend hours 113 00:06:52,300 --> 00:06:56,600 in there on my own, as if she was, I was her mother and she 114 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,700 was my daughter and I'd create scenarios. 115 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,900 As if I was with her and talk to people fat people, they weren't 116 00:07:03,900 --> 00:07:06,200 there obviously. But, you know, it was all in my 117 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:09,400 imagination, but I would create these scenarios and scenes. 118 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:11,500 And night, she'd always be with me. 119 00:07:11,500 --> 00:07:15,100 So that was my. And if anybody open the door, my 120 00:07:15,100 --> 00:07:18,300 mother said, alright, Tea's ready or something I would stop 121 00:07:18,300 --> 00:07:20,800 immediately. Did you dress up for those? 122 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:23,900 No performance as so that I had, just, yeah. 123 00:07:24,300 --> 00:07:28,100 But do you remember the first time that clothes really had an 124 00:07:28,100 --> 00:07:33,300 impact on you? That first well fit that I do. 125 00:07:33,300 --> 00:07:37,900 I do because, you know, as my mum, you know, as I've just said 126 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:40,900 she would, there was always a hat on the go and I think the 127 00:07:40,900 --> 00:07:48,300 first time I must have been about 10, I bought can't believe 128 00:07:48,300 --> 00:07:50,900 it. It was bright orange would 129 00:07:50,900 --> 00:07:57,300 Tangerine Tangerine, it was tangerine, and it was, it had a 130 00:07:57,300 --> 00:08:00,000 sort of a Mary Quant type collar, you know with buttons. 131 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:01,400 That stood away. Yeah. 132 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:02,900 Like a 60s kind of. Yeah. 133 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:06,500 And with any, it was just like a swing back, you know, it was 134 00:08:06,500 --> 00:08:09,600 like an a-line shape with a swing back. 135 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:12,900 And it was, this brightest brightest of colors, and I 136 00:08:12,900 --> 00:08:19,700 decided the idea of it. Now course, to team it to 137 00:08:19,700 --> 00:08:27,200 accessorize it with lime green shoes, gloves, and handbag, and 138 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:31,900 my mother made me a pill box. Hat that I did sit on the back 139 00:08:31,900 --> 00:08:37,100 of my head in alternate Stripes of tangerine and lime green 140 00:08:37,100 --> 00:08:39,799 because imagine sounding very 60s. 141 00:08:39,799 --> 00:08:43,100 I mean gosh you really did have had to have confidence to wear 142 00:08:43,100 --> 00:08:46,500 that I can tell you. Oh my goodness me but that was a 143 00:08:46,500 --> 00:08:50,500 definite fashion statement and that was the first time I can 144 00:08:50,500 --> 00:08:55,400 remember and I wore this thing with confidence and I thought 145 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:59,300 well you know so yeah I guess I was about 10. 146 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:03,000 The first that sounded incredibly grown up for a 147 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,900 ten-year-old and of course, you have to remember again, in my 148 00:09:05,900 --> 00:09:11,200 youth, you had clothes that you would keep for best that you 149 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:14,200 don't wear at weekends or for special occasions. 150 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:17,200 Yeah. And that was, that was my first, 151 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:21,000 my own, you know, that I had seen and obviously my mother 152 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,000 bought it for me, but that's what I wanted. 153 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:27,100 And she made the hat to go with and it was a proper full 154 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:31,900 accessorised outfit. Oh, And you felt I felt a 155 00:09:31,900 --> 00:09:34,700 million bucks. Oh, I thought was a million 156 00:09:34,700 --> 00:09:37,500 dollars in it. Brilliant, and then, just 157 00:09:37,500 --> 00:09:41,700 spinning on. You go to you. 158 00:09:41,700 --> 00:09:50,100 Go to a performing arts college, I did and and then you get into 159 00:09:50,100 --> 00:09:52,900 auditioning. Well yes, I mean, you know, I 160 00:09:52,900 --> 00:09:56,800 suppose the next sort of, in terms of fashion and clothing, I 161 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:59,700 suppose would have been in the late. 162 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,200 Is because I wasn't into clothes particularly when I was at drama 163 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:07,200 school because that was all about character and, you know, 164 00:10:07,208 --> 00:10:10,300 thinking about and dance in a ballet and tap and that. 165 00:10:10,300 --> 00:10:15,100 So it wasn't about fashion, it was more cerebral and I suppose, 166 00:10:15,100 --> 00:10:22,800 but then in the 60s, late 60s, the musical hair came along, and 167 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:27,700 that was probably my first West End outing. 168 00:10:27,700 --> 00:10:30,500 I was in the chorus very much. So in the Chorus. 169 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:34,500 Although I understood which it was the only time I ever did it 170 00:10:34,500 --> 00:10:38,100 because after that I decided never, again, I read that and I 171 00:10:38,500 --> 00:10:41,900 was fascinated, never doing that again far, too stressful. 172 00:10:42,900 --> 00:10:46,300 But of course, you know, and then we had Mary Quant, you 173 00:10:46,300 --> 00:10:50,300 know, as I said, I was already leaning that way, with my orange 174 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:54,300 and white Tangerine coat and, and there's Mary Quant 175 00:10:54,300 --> 00:10:58,400 Kensington Market because that was the first sort of that 176 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,700 modern store that. He had and everything was in one 177 00:11:01,700 --> 00:11:05,300 place, you know, there were there, all kinds of things. 178 00:11:05,300 --> 00:11:08,300 They're not only. Did you have the, you know, or 179 00:11:08,300 --> 00:11:09,800 rather? I mean, look, I'm never, I 180 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:11,500 haven't gotten out of it really have. 181 00:11:11,500 --> 00:11:15,100 I I mean it could be back then I could be back there now accept. 182 00:11:15,100 --> 00:11:18,900 This is Chloe and I bought some kind of take on the same thing. 183 00:11:18,900 --> 00:11:22,500 Yeah, I think often in a way when you're, you know, in your 184 00:11:22,500 --> 00:11:29,700 teens that sort of makes you, it sort of sets your taste. 185 00:11:29,700 --> 00:11:30,400 Yeah. Yes. 186 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:33,100 And that's right. I think there's something that 187 00:11:33,100 --> 00:11:38,300 we do tend to always back revert back to early feeling of this 188 00:11:38,300 --> 00:11:40,600 feels really good on ya. I feel really? 189 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:46,500 Yes, it's rice and you can end up reversing back to, I think 190 00:11:46,500 --> 00:11:49,200 that's what it was. Yeah. 191 00:11:49,500 --> 00:11:51,900 So that was so that was that. And then of course there was and 192 00:11:51,900 --> 00:11:54,000 it was all the op art look, wasn't it? 193 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:58,100 Yes, you know, and Abstract, sort of abstract mini dresses 194 00:11:58,100 --> 00:12:03,700 and, you know, Knee-high boots and bell-bottom, trousers and 195 00:12:03,700 --> 00:12:06,600 stripes and corduroy. Trousers, remember those? 196 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:10,300 And Polo neck, T know skinny, skinny ribbed. 197 00:12:10,300 --> 00:12:15,600 Yeah, it was a real knitwear Adventure, wasn't it? 198 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:19,000 It was an adventure because it was the first time as well. 199 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:21,200 Wasn't it? That fashion became something 200 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:25,400 that accessible to all of us? Did you ever in those days 201 00:12:26,100 --> 00:12:29,900 shopping second-hand shops? I did well Kensington. 202 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:33,700 It was always second hand. It was a vintage as well. 203 00:12:33,700 --> 00:12:35,900 Yes. And yellows and indeed for my 204 00:12:35,900 --> 00:12:40,100 first audition for Evita and, and thereafter. 205 00:12:40,100 --> 00:12:44,400 I wore the same dress and every time I went, I bought, I bought 206 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:50,100 a vintage dress here Kensington Market of a vintage 40s, little 207 00:12:50,100 --> 00:12:53,500 blue tiny, little blue, patterned dress. 208 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:57,600 And you know, that was sort of pulled tied at the back and I 209 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,500 wore it every time I ever went for the audition in Hope that 210 00:13:00,500 --> 00:13:02,700 they would think. Oh, it's like girl in that blue 211 00:13:02,700 --> 00:13:06,400 dress again, I was going to say was the relevance of wearing the 212 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:09,900 same dress or was it a lucky dress or no. 213 00:13:09,900 --> 00:13:13,800 It was I it was a decision. I made thinking that they would 214 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:17,200 it might jog their memory to remember though it's that girl 215 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:20,300 in the blue dress. And so I wore it every time and 216 00:13:20,300 --> 00:13:24,400 anyway it was a 40's dress on those show was set in the 40s so 217 00:13:24,500 --> 00:13:27,800 it was important. But to me that I was wearing 218 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:31,200 something that would help me feel Like I was the character 219 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,700 and I would pin my hair back at the sides and put combs in the 220 00:13:34,700 --> 00:13:36,900 side because that was a very 40s. 221 00:13:37,500 --> 00:13:40,800 So hairstyles, I'm trying to be the character. 222 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:44,400 Well I you have to travel now you know when you're auditioning 223 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:48,700 for something is as important that as that was to me, I really 224 00:13:48,700 --> 00:13:52,800 wanted to play that role. And and so I thought, you know, 225 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:55,900 you've got to, you've got to kind of give them an idea that 226 00:13:55,900 --> 00:13:57,800 you've been thoughtful about. Yeah. 227 00:13:58,100 --> 00:13:59,800 You know that you care enough yet? 228 00:14:00,100 --> 00:14:05,900 To go to the the bother of painting, a sort of a picture 229 00:14:05,900 --> 00:14:08,900 for them, make it a little easier for them to imagine you 230 00:14:08,900 --> 00:14:12,700 in the role. You've played some incredible 231 00:14:12,700 --> 00:14:17,600 characters in musical theater, with some equally incredible 232 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:20,600 costumes. I mean, I think of grizabella 233 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:26,300 and cats Norma Desmond in Sunset Boulevard and Eva Peron in Evita 234 00:14:26,300 --> 00:14:29,900 as my three favorites, probably in terms. 235 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:37,100 Zuv costumes, but you must have incredible memories of all of 236 00:14:37,100 --> 00:14:40,600 those costumes. The VNA are doing an exhibition 237 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:46,100 and next year about musical theater, and they are looking at 238 00:14:46,100 --> 00:14:50,500 some of my costumes from some of the musicals that I was in to 239 00:14:51,500 --> 00:14:53,400 put on show. And of course, one of them that 240 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:56,900 they wanted to know about was Evita and sadly, that's the one 241 00:14:56,900 --> 00:15:01,100 show that I don't have any costumes for Because I was 242 00:15:01,100 --> 00:15:04,800 unknown, I didn't couldn't have that written in my contract, but 243 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:08,500 I wanted to keep the costumes. But thereafter, of course after 244 00:15:08,500 --> 00:15:12,100 he beat her, I had written in the contract, I keep the 245 00:15:12,100 --> 00:15:14,300 costume. What was the fitting process? 246 00:15:14,300 --> 00:15:20,200 Like, well, the fitting process for both Evita and and sunset. 247 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:24,900 It's exhausting and especially because in musical theater, you 248 00:15:24,900 --> 00:15:27,600 is not just one gown, you're making for somebody. 249 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:29,700 There are several costume changes. 250 00:15:29,700 --> 00:15:32,100 Yeah. Yeah, in all these kind of 251 00:15:32,100 --> 00:15:33,700 shows. And that's the thing that I 252 00:15:33,708 --> 00:15:36,900 found most difficult with Evita because I would be rehearsing 253 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:41,400 all day long from 10:00 in the morning until 6:00 at night. 254 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,200 And then I would get maybe half an hour for a sandwich and a cup 255 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:47,600 of tea. And then by seven be at the 256 00:15:47,608 --> 00:15:51,400 studio having costume fittings, which would go on sometimes, so, 257 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:54,800 9:00 or 10:00 at night and I be standing there being fitted with 258 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:59,500 the toile, all the detail of the bit in here and up there and all 259 00:15:59,500 --> 00:16:02,900 the rest of it. It was it's pretty exhausting, 260 00:16:02,900 --> 00:16:07,100 but it's also at the same time, I mean in the book you'll see 261 00:16:07,100 --> 00:16:11,000 there's a photograph of me being fitted and I'm got my hands up 262 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:16,800 to my face while they're sitting me with the the ball gown that I 263 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:21,300 opened act to with, Don't Cry For Me Argentina, and you can 264 00:16:21,300 --> 00:16:24,700 see it in its very early beginnings of being made. 265 00:16:24,700 --> 00:16:30,500 So it was very exciting as well to see these wonderful Tombs 266 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:36,500 begin to come alive and resemble, a fantastic outfit. 267 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:42,300 But the added complication with you, I always thought was when I 268 00:16:42,300 --> 00:16:46,500 was doing anything for you, to perform in was, okay, Amanda now 269 00:16:46,500 --> 00:16:50,200 take my measurements as I breathe, you know, as I breathe 270 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:53,000 deep breath in. That's right into my diaphragm. 271 00:16:53,300 --> 00:16:55,800 And I remember thinking it laying, there's a two inch 272 00:16:55,800 --> 00:17:00,400 difference there are, you know, and, and thinking how Do you 273 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:04,400 create this amazing fitted silhouette? 274 00:17:04,700 --> 00:17:07,500 That has to expand and contract like that. 275 00:17:07,599 --> 00:17:12,400 Well, if you remember, we used to use some kind of elasticated 276 00:17:12,500 --> 00:17:16,900 bodice, a gentle elasticated bodice, which would allow me to 277 00:17:17,599 --> 00:17:20,900 expand my diaphragm. As you say, a full two inches 278 00:17:20,900 --> 00:17:24,400 of, probably more with extraordinary and, and then be 279 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:29,300 able to, you know, when not needed it would the dress, or 280 00:17:29,300 --> 00:17:32,200 whatever. Would would fall that all back 281 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:38,000 into place but that that was always a consideration for 282 00:17:38,100 --> 00:17:42,500 musical theater costume because because of the diaphragm and 283 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:48,200 intercostal diaphragmatic breathing that that you have to 284 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:50,700 use as a technique to get you through. 285 00:17:50,700 --> 00:17:54,100 Eight shows a week. Did you ever have any mishaps 286 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:58,800 clothing mishaps on stage? Oh, generally speaking, I would 287 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,400 say not now. Because they were all so 288 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:06,500 beautifully made and some were made, especially for lightning 289 00:18:06,500 --> 00:18:09,800 quick changes. So they're being velcro and all 290 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:14,900 kinds of things involved. Ha ha, but no, I can't think of 291 00:18:14,900 --> 00:18:19,500 anything really Godly that ever happened, in terms of costume. 292 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:23,800 I've always been fascinated by this tradition of going to meet 293 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:27,300 the star in their dressing room. Post-show. 294 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:30,300 And and it's always, I've always think about It. 295 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:34,200 What what happens? You've had you've been on stage 296 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:37,200 for two and a half hours and yet, you've got people who are 297 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:42,300 dying to see you, but do you. I always have this vision of you 298 00:18:42,300 --> 00:18:47,100 and some sort of Deaver ask kimono, is that, is that 299 00:18:47,100 --> 00:18:51,000 something you ever considered? Because I would imagine you were 300 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:54,500 dying to get out of. You're probably quite sweaty 301 00:18:55,800 --> 00:19:00,400 costumes by then and then having to sort of Eight 302 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:03,600 post-performance to meet and greet more. 303 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:06,000 We always used to refer to it as act 3. 304 00:19:08,300 --> 00:19:15,200 And indeed I would have some rather wonderful kimono to greet 305 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:19,100 people in because, you know, you don't have time to shower and 306 00:19:19,100 --> 00:19:23,800 change and you know so you have to have something that you can 307 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:27,300 greet people in that's respectable and so I would have 308 00:19:27,300 --> 00:19:32,000 all manner of different types of Towns or kimonos or dressing 309 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,700 dressing gowns with. In fact, I think you made me 310 00:19:34,700 --> 00:19:36,000 one. Didn't you did? 311 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:41,200 I think it was Lou, it was navy blue or yellow blue and it had 312 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:45,700 was very frothy feathers. I don't, they did rounded 313 00:19:45,700 --> 00:19:48,100 beautiful down the side. Yes. 314 00:19:48,100 --> 00:19:52,300 So so, you know, it would be a glamorous dressing gown or a 315 00:19:52,300 --> 00:19:57,500 kimono or something like that. And I also had a week made for 316 00:19:57,500 --> 00:20:01,200 myself because obviously the worst part would be A that your 317 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:04,200 hair had been pinned under all these Wings weeks. 318 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:07,700 So, when you took the hairpins out, you'd look like Shirley 319 00:20:07,700 --> 00:20:10,700 Temple, you had wig head. So, I get bad. 320 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:14,500 And so I had this wig made, which was rather beautiful. 321 00:20:14,500 --> 00:20:18,100 It will be dressed every night and I would pluck the wig on, 322 00:20:19,100 --> 00:20:25,300 oh, my head, and then swallowed out for act, three to give 323 00:20:25,300 --> 00:20:28,900 everybody a glass of champagne and to stand around and 324 00:20:28,900 --> 00:20:32,200 chitchat. And So on but feeling I looked 325 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,800 okay because I had my act 3 costume and we're gone. 326 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:40,100 And how quick could you do that? Your turnaround for out of 327 00:20:40,100 --> 00:20:44,700 costume into act, 30 could do it because we leave unless it was a 328 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,800 dreadful makeup or something that you'd had to tone down. 329 00:20:48,100 --> 00:20:51,600 I could do in the space of five. Ten minutes I'm talking about 330 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,400 makeup. Did you at that stage? 331 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,300 Would you be toning down your own makeup or would you have 332 00:20:57,300 --> 00:21:01,200 some fabulous makeup artist? No, I never Had a makeup artist. 333 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,300 I learned that at drama school. Wow. 334 00:21:03,300 --> 00:21:07,200 About makeup, you know, and I'm like America when I performed on 335 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:10,600 Broadway, though. They do have makeup artist and 336 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:15,500 you have to go to makeup room before the show starts and you 337 00:21:15,500 --> 00:21:20,600 are made up by a makeup artist but in Britain we don't have 338 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:22,400 that. You do your own makeup and do 339 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,800 you find that the ritual of doing your own makeup? 340 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,400 Is almost part of the getting into character? 341 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,100 Absolutely, right. It's The most wonderful 342 00:21:31,500 --> 00:21:34,600 transformation. Yeah, because you see yourself 343 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,800 and then you begin to disappear and become the character. 344 00:21:37,900 --> 00:21:41,500 I've got to just talk about hair for a moment. 345 00:21:41,500 --> 00:21:47,100 My gosh, because we have a wonderful array of images here. 346 00:21:47,100 --> 00:21:51,300 I mean, talk to me a little bit about your hair progression. 347 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:56,000 Well, I have the most dreadfully curly I would say, not 348 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,800 attractive curls its frizz free fall hair. 349 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:05,300 I have naturally as you can. Well, see in most of those 350 00:22:05,300 --> 00:22:09,300 photographs, little girl. Well miss of course, mother 351 00:22:09,300 --> 00:22:12,900 loved it all lunch go with curls but oh my goodness, it's been 352 00:22:12,900 --> 00:22:15,000 the bane of my life, all my life. 353 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,600 However, you can see today, I've suddenly not rot suddenly, but 354 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:24,800 over the years I've learned how to manage my curly locks and I 355 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:29,200 do everything I possibly can to keep it straight or curly locks 356 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:33,100 got Later Through The Years. So they're exactly the same if I 357 00:22:33,100 --> 00:22:35,700 leave it. It's exactly the same. 358 00:22:35,900 --> 00:22:39,000 I think that's incredible. I'm not one for been going on. 359 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,700 Beach holidays. Complete rest. 360 00:22:45,300 --> 00:22:46,600 Oh, it's terrible. Look at it. 361 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,700 So I always have to make sure I have all manner of hats. 362 00:22:50,900 --> 00:22:53,400 Thank you. Mom, I have all manner of hats 363 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:57,200 to cover the beach hair, when I'm on holiday, but in the 80s, 364 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,800 you never needed a perm. Now, I didn't as you can see. 365 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,800 All natural. Well, we were all sitting having 366 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:06,300 horrible chemist but on our head that looks ridiculous. 367 00:23:06,300 --> 00:23:08,500 That was the only time it came into its own. 368 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,000 When did you go blond? Because you were as, as long as 369 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,300 you can see, a lot of sort of mousy Brown. 370 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:21,600 So I suppose I guess it would have been, you know, in hair. 371 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:25,000 And as I was sort of coming out of my teenage years into my 372 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:28,700 early twenties, I suppose and I had a boyfriend who happened to 373 00:23:28,700 --> 00:23:32,500 be a hairdresser. And I think he was the first one 374 00:23:32,500 --> 00:23:35,900 to say to me, why don't you have highlights and he used to 375 00:23:35,900 --> 00:23:39,700 straighten my hair and so I would have this whole thing of 376 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:44,600 you know it would take hours to I can't remember which way 377 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:45,800 around. He did it whether he 378 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,400 straightened it first and then put the highlights in, but how 379 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,400 my poor hair survived all this? These chemicals. 380 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,000 I have no idea. It was probably in the era of 381 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,400 pulling it through a horrible swim cap. 382 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,200 Yeah, that's right. Talking. 383 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,000 I mean now you're your Performance. 384 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,800 So your weekly performances your radio show. 385 00:24:03,900 --> 00:24:05,900 Yes. And do you. 386 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,900 I know it's radio. But are you conscious about what 387 00:24:08,900 --> 00:24:13,400 you put on to go and perform? Well, you know, obviously it's 388 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:18,200 radio so nobody can see you. And you say, you go to the 389 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:22,400 studio and you don't have to go into hair and makeup. 390 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,600 However, again, I think it's something that I learned from my 391 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:29,700 mother but she'd never leave the house without a little makeup. 392 00:24:29,900 --> 00:24:33,900 And as I said earlier, wearing a hat and properly dressed and I 393 00:24:33,908 --> 00:24:38,500 think she instilled that in me. Do you think that your weight or 394 00:24:38,508 --> 00:24:42,300 your perception of your weight, affects what you wear, your 395 00:24:42,300 --> 00:24:44,200 weight, does affect your choice of clothes? 396 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,100 I mean possibly why? You know, things like this I'm 397 00:24:47,100 --> 00:24:50,500 wearing today. This is a Chloe, kind of jerky. 398 00:24:50,500 --> 00:24:52,700 I don't know what you call it. That's what we used to call it 399 00:24:54,100 --> 00:24:58,300 and it's long so I know that that kind of Might hired a few 400 00:24:58,300 --> 00:25:02,200 things that I don't want higher. Remember you were always 401 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:07,700 unbelievably aware of proportions and perhaps because 402 00:25:07,900 --> 00:25:11,600 you knew your body and your silhouette. 403 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,000 So yes yes. But I would that, you know, 404 00:25:15,100 --> 00:25:20,600 early days in my in my design career that impressed me so much 405 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,900 that you knew exactly the length of sleeve. 406 00:25:23,900 --> 00:25:29,700 You wanted to flatter your yep. Your well I think you know again 407 00:25:29,900 --> 00:25:33,900 Then it's probably, I probably learned a lot of these tricks 408 00:25:33,900 --> 00:25:36,700 and things that, you know, about how you look in something 409 00:25:37,100 --> 00:25:41,500 through all the costume. Fittings, that I had very early 410 00:25:41,500 --> 00:25:44,700 on in my career, my theatrical career, you know how standing 411 00:25:44,700 --> 00:25:47,600 there for hours while people say, oh, no, that's leaves. 412 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:52,100 Got to be over the hand or no, it's got to be three quarter 413 00:25:52,100 --> 00:25:55,700 length because, you know, so you pick things up. 414 00:25:55,700 --> 00:25:58,100 Yeah, I'm from people that know what they're talking about. 415 00:25:58,100 --> 00:26:02,400 And and as I said, To you before the fact that I'm short. 416 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:07,200 I know, for example I would mostly like to wear one color 417 00:26:07,700 --> 00:26:12,000 from top to toe because that gives length if I very rarely 418 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,900 wear belts because they cut you up. 419 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:21,500 Yeah you know the top half and the bottom half so you know and 420 00:26:21,500 --> 00:26:28,300 and one learns those kind of little Things to tricks tricks? 421 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,500 Would you say you've got a style icon? 422 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,600 Not really I mean I I you know looking at magazines and things 423 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:38,900 you see all these gorgeous models wearing whatever you 424 00:26:38,900 --> 00:26:41,900 know, fantastic photography, beautifully lit, so on and so 425 00:26:41,900 --> 00:26:46,600 forth, I can admire that and the way somebody put something 426 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:51,800 together, yeah, I can admire that because that takes some 427 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,300 learning as well. I mean, with Evita and from 428 00:26:55,300 --> 00:26:57,700 about Twenty years or more onward. 429 00:26:57,900 --> 00:27:00,000 I didn't have time to go shopping or anything. 430 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,600 So I would have a wonderful designer wear, what? 431 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,200 She was stylist, stylist and Monique. 432 00:27:05,300 --> 00:27:11,600 My French stylist would come to my home armed with either cases 433 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:15,700 and cases and bag full of full of clothes from various 434 00:27:15,900 --> 00:27:18,500 designers. Yeah my favorites for example 435 00:27:18,500 --> 00:27:23,700 were like people like well, I'm Arnie of course, because they 436 00:27:23,700 --> 00:27:28,800 weren't like you rather And clean-cut and Izzy Miyake. 437 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,500 I used to wear and you did. Yes. 438 00:27:30,500 --> 00:27:33,200 Azzedine, Alaia. When I was really Slim because 439 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,800 they were very tight. Clinic clingy beautiful clothes, 440 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:41,500 and Thierry mugler Thierry mugler, you know, so that I had 441 00:27:41,500 --> 00:27:44,800 favorite designers, and she would bring all these things. 442 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,300 Did you ever let her take you out of your comfort zone? 443 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,200 Oh, she did. And again, she taught me a great 444 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:54,500 deal about having to be daring, you know, it has to go with it 445 00:27:54,500 --> 00:27:58,400 and and Did you ever refer back to okay? 446 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,900 And looking at yourself in the mirror her saying this is 447 00:28:01,900 --> 00:28:05,400 looking great. And if it did you reach into how 448 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,400 do I feel in? Yes always I think you've got to 449 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,600 feel comfortable. Haven't you with what you're 450 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,900 wearing? You were talking earlier about 451 00:28:13,900 --> 00:28:16,800 writing your book and referring back to photos. 452 00:28:17,100 --> 00:28:19,100 Do you did? Are there any photos that you 453 00:28:19,108 --> 00:28:21,200 look at? And you think oh my God, that 454 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,400 was probably my worst fashion moment. 455 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:25,700 Oh yes. I mean sometimes. 456 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,500 I think, what was I thinking, why would I have ever thought 457 00:28:29,500 --> 00:28:33,000 that looked any good, but was the one particular one. 458 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,800 Well, that's one I've got and it's, it was revolting, my 459 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:38,500 mother. My mother wouldn't walk in the 460 00:28:38,508 --> 00:28:42,000 street with me with it, and it was a mere hair days. 461 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:46,800 And my hair was long and sort of freeze ball because that was the 462 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,400 period. You could get away with it. 463 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:53,000 And it was a sort of it had a pattern on it, you know, skirt 464 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,400 too. But it was three quarter, length 465 00:28:55,400 --> 00:29:03,200 sleeves, And I had green dark green pearlized shoes. 466 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:07,900 You know platform shoes with a big thick heel and a strap 467 00:29:07,900 --> 00:29:11,500 around the ankle with this trick, full skirt. 468 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:16,000 And then I would wear, some kind of weird like little short, 469 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:24,400 little ribbed, skinny rich, skinny, rib sweater with it and 470 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,800 my hair was like a, my mother. It would look at me and say 471 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,200 Elaine, you're not going out like that. 472 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:31,600 Are you? And I go? 473 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,700 Yes, why? I think it looks fantastic, I 474 00:29:33,708 --> 00:29:36,600 thought I look one but, of course, now looking back on it. 475 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,800 And I've seen pleasure, I just think, I don't know why she was 476 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,000 right, and I couldn't see it, it's a rite of passage has of 477 00:29:51,700 --> 00:29:53,800 when you're thinking about travel. 478 00:29:53,900 --> 00:29:56,200 Do you have? Do pay particular attention to 479 00:29:56,300 --> 00:29:58,900 Your airport. Look yes. 480 00:29:58,900 --> 00:30:02,000 Well obviously one has to know that you're going to be very 481 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,900 comfortable because you're going to be sitting on a plane for 482 00:30:04,900 --> 00:30:10,900 however many hours and and I always think that if you're if 483 00:30:10,900 --> 00:30:15,200 you're sort of A well-dressed or better dressed I think if 484 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:19,400 anything should go wrong with tickets or cases or anything 485 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:24,700 like that, I think you're more likely to be paid some attention 486 00:30:25,300 --> 00:30:27,400 than if you are standing. I'm there in a pair of shorts 487 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,500 and flip-flops nothing to do with the person that you are, of 488 00:30:30,500 --> 00:30:33,200 course. I have to think about it. 489 00:30:34,100 --> 00:30:36,800 So humble. Yeah. 490 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:40,300 So I have I have kind of got a couple two three some kind of 491 00:30:41,300 --> 00:30:46,000 things that I wear only ever wear on the plane and they're 492 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:52,900 usually things like is he Miyake that are ribbed you know 493 00:30:52,900 --> 00:30:55,800 trousers but they're on investigate placed. 494 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,500 I don't know if I dare say that but you do because you know you 495 00:30:59,500 --> 00:31:01,900 know for when you get on a plane you don't want to be Or 496 00:31:01,900 --> 00:31:04,900 constricted do. So I've got a very nice is in 497 00:31:04,900 --> 00:31:06,800 the, a key black. I've had it for years. 498 00:31:07,300 --> 00:31:10,500 The thing I love about it is that it still looks absolutely 499 00:31:10,500 --> 00:31:12,500 fantastic. Because of all the ribbing. 500 00:31:12,500 --> 00:31:18,900 Yeah, and and it's a black three-quarter, length jacket 501 00:31:18,900 --> 00:31:22,600 with three buttons down the front and like a not a Raglan 502 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,400 but almost Ragland kind of sleeve and and these fabulous 503 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,900 trousers, that just hang and look fantastic. 504 00:31:28,900 --> 00:31:31,700 The weight of them makes them. Look, fantastic. 505 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:37,000 And so that with a fabulous scarf of some sort is a great 506 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,800 way are, you know, in a Polo sweater or something, or some 507 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,500 kind of a t-shirt, nice teaching crisp, t-shirt or a white shirt 508 00:31:44,500 --> 00:31:46,100 underneath. It looks absolutely. 509 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,900 It's simple again but it, but it looks sharp and it looks 510 00:31:49,900 --> 00:31:51,400 fantastic. Feel polished. 511 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,200 Yeah. And I'm comfortable but just 512 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,400 comfortable. I feel comfortable but I know it 513 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,800 looks OK as well. Yeah, you could pack up. 514 00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:59,800 Bad Packer. Oh good, good, I've got that 515 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,200 down had to die. I was I was, you know, all over 516 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:07,000 the world, traveling all the time to this and that and the 517 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:11,600 other place I had to have to learn how to pack and cirno Diva 518 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:16,300 asked six suitcases, not now. No, I'm not even then because, 519 00:32:16,700 --> 00:32:20,600 you know, if you were traveling to Singapore or the Great Hall 520 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:25,300 of the people in Beijing, the white house, wherever it was, 521 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,400 but list of name drops while I'm, I just thought I was show 522 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,600 off for a minute, but you know what? 523 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,600 Traveling long distances and you know, you're going to have to 524 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:39,300 perform the other end. I did learn having lost my 525 00:32:39,300 --> 00:32:42,800 luggage once in Vienna the be a lost my luggage and so I had 526 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:48,800 nothing to perform him and so I did learn to take my costume, 527 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,500 the cot that the concert dress, whatever it was. 528 00:32:51,500 --> 00:32:53,200 I was going to wear for the performance. 529 00:32:53,500 --> 00:32:57,000 I would take that by hand with me onto the plane. 530 00:32:57,500 --> 00:32:59,900 I'm just turning to you, your wardrobe. 531 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,100 Is there anything in particular? Cooler right now that you're 532 00:33:03,100 --> 00:33:06,100 lusting over that, you've seen in images. 533 00:33:06,100 --> 00:33:11,900 And well, I have to say Amanda that these days, I mean my 534 00:33:11,900 --> 00:33:16,100 wardrobe is full of clothes. I've got, I don't know, two, 535 00:33:16,100 --> 00:33:21,200 three, four wardrobes. And they're all chock-a-block of 536 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,200 clothes and I keep looking at me. 537 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,600 I've got, I've got to sift some of this stuff out. 538 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:35,100 I'm less interested these days in Shopping and buying clothes 539 00:33:35,700 --> 00:33:40,000 partly because of the environment and we're all aware 540 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:45,400 now that we can't keep on making landfill of clothes that we 541 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,500 don't want to wear anymore. And so they don't know what to 542 00:33:47,500 --> 00:33:50,100 do with it. And so they're making landfill 543 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:55,200 and the things that I love, for example, you know, I know you'll 544 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,900 probably laugh at this, but you made for me a wonderful. 545 00:33:58,100 --> 00:34:01,600 I think it was crepe black skirt. 546 00:34:01,700 --> 00:34:06,700 Kurt and a three-quarter, length jacket and and it's one of my 547 00:34:06,700 --> 00:34:09,199 favorite pieces and I still have it. 548 00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:11,699 Now how long ago you made me that I do? 549 00:34:11,699 --> 00:34:14,300 That must be a full 30 years old. 550 00:34:14,500 --> 00:34:18,300 Well it still looks fabulous, Welsh a potent and you really 551 00:34:19,900 --> 00:34:27,000 wore it today but actually I can't do it up so I wanted to 552 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,800 feel comfortable so I didn't bring it. 553 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:33,400 But but you know what I'm saying is if you are Me about shopping 554 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:39,199 and buying clothes today. Why when I have beautiful pieces 555 00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:42,900 like that but look as sharp and as fabulous, what not quite 556 00:34:42,900 --> 00:34:47,199 perhaps but they still they look fabulous, I feel great in them, 557 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:51,900 they're classic pieces and vintage pieces, I've got vintage 558 00:34:51,900 --> 00:34:55,600 pieces, older than that. But why do I, you know, 559 00:34:55,600 --> 00:35:01,100 beautiful all the Couture things that I had made by you, and 560 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,300 Tommy Nutter. He made my goodness. 561 00:35:04,300 --> 00:35:05,500 Yes. I mean, member him. 562 00:35:05,500 --> 00:35:10,100 He was a young man's and Taylor really genius Taylor in Savile 563 00:35:10,100 --> 00:35:12,300 Row. All the guys went to him and 564 00:35:12,300 --> 00:35:15,400 course, so did the girls we went to him because we wanted to have 565 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,400 those sharp jackets as well. While I've still got one of his 566 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:22,800 people easing nadila Vale in beach and place. 567 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,300 She may be some Exquisite pieces, fantastic silks and 568 00:35:26,300 --> 00:35:30,300 beautiful materials that she she would get from from Paris and a 569 00:35:30,308 --> 00:35:34,800 lot of hand-embroidered. Great articles that she made for 570 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,800 me. Why would I want to go and buy 571 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:41,400 something at Great cost today? Everything's so expensive when I 572 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:45,900 already have a handmade piece, that looks absolutely fantastic. 573 00:35:45,900 --> 00:35:48,800 And every time I wear it I mean I don't wear it all the time. 574 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,700 But you know, I put things away some of these vintage Pieces 575 00:35:51,700 --> 00:35:55,200 away and then a few years go by and I bring them out, luckily I 576 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,300 can still get into them and whenever I do wear them, people 577 00:35:58,700 --> 00:35:59,900 comment on it. Yeah. 578 00:35:59,900 --> 00:36:03,000 And you think well why do I Go and buy something new. 579 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,400 And I've already got these beautiful things, right? 580 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,600 Let's swing around some quick fire questions. 581 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:16,800 These are just literally could be a little anecdote or a 582 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,300 one-word answer whichever whichever you prefer. 583 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:23,500 So in terms of costumes Evita or Sunset Boulevard? 584 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:29,900 Well, that sounds fair. Well it beats up because it was 585 00:36:29,900 --> 00:36:31,500 the first and it and it was Chris. 586 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,800 Deal. And but Sunset Boulevard for 587 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:39,100 drama which fashion trend, would you like to see make a comeback 588 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:44,500 60s fashion trend, that you would like to consign to Room 589 00:36:44,500 --> 00:36:51,400 101, 70s views on tattoos hateful. 590 00:36:52,300 --> 00:36:55,200 What's the one fashion item? You couldn't live without a 591 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,900 black roll? Neck sweater sneakers are 592 00:36:57,900 --> 00:37:00,800 stilettos. Well, I'm afraid to say nowadays 593 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:05,300 sneakers I've got drawers and drawers, full of lovely Manola 594 00:37:05,300 --> 00:37:10,500 has Louboutins. So it's really sad and they all 595 00:37:10,500 --> 00:37:13,500 look at me every day. When I open my, they wink at 596 00:37:13,500 --> 00:37:14,300 you. They wink at me. 597 00:37:14,300 --> 00:37:18,400 And I look at them lovingly, and sort of say to them quietly, 598 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,500 don't think you're ever going to get another day out. 599 00:37:21,700 --> 00:37:25,600 Do you mind me asking what size? They are two and a half. 600 00:37:28,500 --> 00:37:32,200 Party where all PJ's but depends, doesn't it bit of both? 601 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:37,300 I think shapewear or sexy shapewear puts your body in the 602 00:37:37,300 --> 00:37:41,000 right place. Oh no awesome. 603 00:37:41,100 --> 00:37:45,200 But one has to go there on occasion tights or stockings. 604 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:54,500 Oh well again it depends. I'm finally finally. 605 00:37:54,500 --> 00:37:58,500 Finally one last question. At the end of the day, what do 606 00:37:58,500 --> 00:38:00,700 you or don't you? We're in bed. 607 00:38:01,900 --> 00:38:05,100 It's a bit revealing, that's the point. 608 00:38:05,300 --> 00:38:09,300 Well, I don't good for you. Naked as the day. 609 00:38:09,300 --> 00:38:10,700 You were born. Absolutely. 610 00:38:10,700 --> 00:38:15,800 I can't begin to think how awful a 90 would be Elaine. 611 00:38:15,900 --> 00:38:19,100 Thank you so much for your time today. 612 00:38:19,100 --> 00:38:24,100 It's been quite a romp of a journey where your career your 613 00:38:24,100 --> 00:38:26,600 life and I cannot thank you enough, man. 614 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:30,000 It's been so lovely to see you again after the fall leaves 615 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:31,400 years. I know. 616 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,800 And so much history. And you know what? 617 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,500 We're still here, we are still here. 618 00:38:36,500 --> 00:38:41,100 So as the song goes Thank you. You're welcome.