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I've been around a long time. 33 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,120 Well, if you have, I have too. So hey ho. 34 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:09,240 In fact, I was just trying to work out this morning how long 35 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:12,320 we have known each other and I would say it's 30 plus. 36 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:13,920 Years. Yeah, definitely. 37 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:19,960 Gosh, now you are affectionately dubbed the Queen of Taupe. 38 00:02:20,640 --> 00:02:24,240 How would you describe your interior style? 39 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:25,800 Oh, I hate that question. Oh. 40 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:27,720 God, that's a good start, isn't it? 41 00:02:27,920 --> 00:02:32,560 Because I think the press created that whole kind of queen 42 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:35,240 of taupe, Taupe on tap and everything, and it was funny at 43 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:36,360 the time. On tap. 44 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,720 I like that. But actually when I, when I did 45 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:42,800 my 40 year retrospective and I, I looked through the book, 46 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:47,240 there's a lot of colour there. But I guess my style is neutral 47 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,960 and my my whole ethos about design is creating homes for 48 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:55,640 people to live in because that's I'm doing what I do today 49 00:02:55,640 --> 00:02:57,120 because of my grandmother's home. 50 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:01,240 And my happiest times were with my granny and grandpa and their 51 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:04,040 home was so old fashioned, but it was the way it felt. 52 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:07,640 So I've always tried to kind of bottle that and recreate that 53 00:03:07,640 --> 00:03:11,200 for people. And yes, I love the simplicity 54 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:15,520 of that kind of East meets W very, you know, it could all be 55 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:19,280 neutral in whites and creams and topes, but it could equally be 56 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,080 monochrome in black and white, or it could be all shades of 57 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:26,320 black and grey. So it's just choosing a certain 58 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:30,520 array of colors and it's about balance and it's about allowing 59 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:33,880 people to put their own identity into their homes. 60 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:37,680 But I can't really describe it in one word because it's it's 61 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:39,840 changing all the time and it's movable. 62 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:44,240 And what I do is, is like you with your couture gowns, you 63 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,800 design it specifically for the for whoever you're designing 64 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:49,240 for. So it's very couture. 65 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,240 Interesting, although I will pick you up on that word. 66 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:56,520 Yeah, couture is specifically for sewing and dressmaking. 67 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:57,440 Is it really? It is. 68 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,040 It's a French word. My God, I use it all the time. 69 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:01,040 Well. Look it up. 70 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:04,040 OK, look it up. I, I 'cause I saw that in your 71 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:06,280 bio and I thought, hang on a tick. 72 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:10,760 I'm not sure about use the use of the word couture outside the 73 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:14,240 world of fashion, and in fact comes up on Google. 74 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:17,240 Couture is a French word that means sewing or dressmaking. 75 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:20,360 The phrase Aute couture translates as high sewing or 76 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:23,680 high dressmaking and is synonymous with high fashion. 77 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:27,800 Wow. And in France, clothing cannot 78 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,720 be labeled aute couture unless it meets certain standards set 79 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,360 by an official organization, the Chambras in de Calde. 80 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:35,440 I love that, isn't that? Interesting. 81 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:39,600 Yeah, I thought, I just thought you would find that interesting. 82 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:45,240 How do you feel the interior space has changed during your 83 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:48,480 journey in interiors? Oh, I think it's changed hugely. 84 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:52,000 I think in the early days when I started at like sort of 16 and a 85 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:56,080 half, seventeen people didn't say they had an interior 86 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:58,040 designer. They didn't want to admit it. 87 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:02,520 The the Americans talked about their decorators long before 88 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,040 anybody in Europe, said my interior designer. 89 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:10,200 And I think it became acceptable in the same way as you would go 90 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:12,360 to some a fashion house for clothing. 91 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:15,800 We were very behind in the interior as well. 92 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,520 We've kind of caught up with fashion in that respect. 93 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:22,480 Other than the fact that we don't change seasons, you know, 94 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:24,920 like having different looks and things. 95 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:27,720 I think people are more aware of their home. 96 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:32,040 I think that it was always apparel here and interiors here. 97 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:35,480 I think now the home is the most important thing in people's 98 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:38,480 lives. So I think that interiors and 99 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:42,360 finding designers and architects and wonderful craftspeople is 100 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:45,320 just normal now. And it wasn't way back then much 101 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:49,280 more difficult. And interesting, I mean, just on 102 00:05:49,280 --> 00:05:56,520 that front of homes and interiors, how do you approach 103 00:05:56,520 --> 00:06:00,760 sustainability with interiors? Do you upcycle at all? 104 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:03,280 Yes. I mean, when we do hotels, very 105 00:06:03,280 --> 00:06:05,400 much so. A lot of the hotels that we work 106 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:07,520 with are very into that. When we worked with the cruise 107 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,640 industry, strangely enough, you think the opposite, but very 108 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,640 much. And we choose the companies that 109 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:17,360 we work with, the people that we work with, even down to where 110 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:21,640 fabrics are from. And so we're learning every day. 111 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:25,960 But I find that all the young people in my office are teaching 112 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:29,840 me a huge amount, you know, and I'm completely open to it, and 113 00:06:29,840 --> 00:06:32,600 they're very much into it. And we run a very sustainable 114 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:34,920 business as well. So it's important. 115 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:37,920 Yeah, as well as your flourishing interior design 116 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:43,480 business, you've got arrange with M&S and arrange with QVC. 117 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,960 How do those two ranges differ from each other? 118 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:50,520 They're completely different. QVC I've been doing for God 119 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:56,600 years, 1516 years maybe. I've kind of lost count and it's 120 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:01,040 very specific with bedding with a few accessories and it's sold 121 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:05,360 into the customer's home. But with Marks and Spencer's, 122 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:08,640 it's a very broad range. So it's everything other than 123 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:14,640 heavy furniture across the home. So we launched in September, you 124 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:17,400 know, everything from cushions to throws to bedding to 125 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:20,680 accessories. And in March, April next year we 126 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:25,560 have like another, I don't know, 100 odd pieces coming in. 127 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:27,880 So we're doing all kitchen and tabletop and whatever. 128 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:33,200 So the Marks and Spencer range is a very full range for the 129 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,360 home. So every aspect and lighting and 130 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:40,400 it's just amazing. And it's a dream for me because 131 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:44,680 my father used to make the clothing for menswear at Marks 132 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:47,160 and Spencer. So Marks and Spencer was very 133 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:51,880 much a part of my vocab. You know, everything I listened 134 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,880 to at dinner at night with my dad talking and then meeting 135 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:58,120 people and stuff. So all my life I've said I've 136 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:00,520 wanted to do a home collection with Marks and Spencer. 137 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:04,280 So when it actually happened, I was literally bouncing off the 138 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:10,120 walls and I, I absolutely love it and the quality my partner 139 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:12,600 had a really bad cold. So I went and slept in the guest 140 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,800 room and I slept on my own sheets, even though I know 141 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:17,840 they're really soft. So the next day I got on 142 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:19,560 Instagram, I'm going, they're really soft. 143 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:25,480 I've actually slept on them. The quality is fantastic and you 144 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,800 can see I'm excited about it because it's it's been received 145 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:32,080 so well and they're such an iconic company. 146 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,799 Yeah, they are And they're they're sourcing is second to 147 00:08:34,799 --> 00:08:37,159 none isn't. It and very sustainable, which 148 00:08:37,159 --> 00:08:39,679 is really important. And to be able to reach a much 149 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,880 broader audience for your aesthetic is really exciting. 150 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:44,800 It's interesting, yeah. Yeah. 151 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,480 Any other projects that are going on at the moment that 152 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,320 you're really excited about? I mean all the interior 153 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:54,680 projects, you know, we're, we're opening a studio in Dubai, we're 154 00:08:54,680 --> 00:08:58,560 doing a lot in the Middle East. We've got some, we've got some 155 00:08:58,560 --> 00:09:04,440 really interesting sort of hotels and private client homes 156 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:08,120 and commercial properties. But each one is different and 157 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:11,440 challenging. And I think that over the years 158 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,440 you can, if I look at the sort of work and what comes to us, 159 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:18,720 it's never the same. And you know, no one private 160 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:22,480 client is ever the same anyway. So that's a given. 161 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:28,080 But we now get sent these kind of projects and you'll and you, 162 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:30,720 you don't just read it and cost it and then meet people. 163 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:33,440 You're reading it and going, wow, that's really cool. 164 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:38,160 And could be about technology and how that works with interior 165 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:40,800 design. Or it could be an island 166 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:44,120 somewhere with, I don't know, just amazing things. 167 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:48,160 So it's, it's exciting. So not about to hang your clocks 168 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:50,240 up. And I never do that. 169 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:54,040 But you know, I definitely choose my time. 170 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:59,960 How I how I allocate my time for work now is different to what it 171 00:09:59,960 --> 00:10:03,600 was before, but I feel that it's more I get more done. 172 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:07,240 But for Dubai, do you have to up the volume? 173 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:11,080 No, I think, I think Dubai has changed massively. 174 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:14,160 And when I went back there after many, many years, I was 175 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:15,760 literally bouncing off the walls. 176 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:18,800 When I came back to London, I was so energized by the people 177 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:22,440 that I met, the cultures. It was just extraordinary. 178 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:27,800 And it's changed. And so any country that you work 179 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:30,720 in, you're going to be designing for a different culture and what 180 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:34,720 people want. But I wouldn't say that Dubai is 181 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,080 for that reason. It's the complete opposite, 182 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:38,840 actually. It's a proper melting pot, 183 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:40,400 isn't? It Yeah, but it's just, you 184 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:43,440 know, I what I loved about working in Asia for so many 185 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:47,880 years is that you were appreciated and in a really 186 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:51,520 magical way. And the Middle East is the same 187 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:53,760 now. They love what you present to 188 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:55,480 them. They're excited about your 189 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:58,960 designs. And any designer would be lying 190 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:01,760 if they didn't say they, they want someone to be happy with 191 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:04,360 what you provide and design for them. 192 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:07,440 It's not just about designing something and doing the job. 193 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:09,200 It's like the whole process, isn't it? 194 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:13,240 And the friendships that you make and, and the, you know, 195 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,160 creating something that's different and groundbreaking. 196 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:20,640 True, true, true, true. Today we're going on a style 197 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,840 journey. How did you decide what you were 198 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:27,280 wearing for this interview? Well it's really interesting 199 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,200 because I was thinking about it obviously because I was coming 200 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:32,640 here, but I didn't think any differently in terms of getting 201 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:34,240 dressed. This morning I came back from 202 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:38,520 Brick Lane having got my back sorted and I just decided to put 203 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:43,960 on a warm pair of trousers and then thought I'll wear layers. 204 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:47,960 So I didn't even think about the fact I was coming to see you. 205 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:53,320 But what it made me realize was that it took me nearly 48 years 206 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:58,920 to get to a point where I knew what I wanted to wear, or 45 207 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:04,280 years because I struggled throughout my but no one would 208 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:07,240 know this. But I never really knew what my 209 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:09,640 style was. And I remember when I met you 210 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:15,120 and your kind of tailored clothing with your long coats 211 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:18,400 and stuff, that was kind of the beginning, if you like, of my 212 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:24,320 journey into more, I would say tailored. 213 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:28,360 You know, I wear big trousers. I know what suits my shape, so 214 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:32,480 when I shop now I know exactly what it is that is good on me, 215 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:35,600 whereas I didn't before, so it took me a long time to get 216 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:38,680 there. But when you say 45 years until 217 00:12:38,680 --> 00:12:41,480 you were 45? I didn't really feel comfortable 218 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:45,600 in what I was wearing, Yeah. But that doesn't surprise me 219 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:49,960 because I think a lot of people, do you think, Yep, 40s or even 220 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:55,640 50s before they really feel totally that they've got their 221 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:58,400 style, do you think? It's because we just get to a 222 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:00,840 point where we're old enough to not care. 223 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:04,280 No, I don't. I think we really listen to our 224 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:07,000 intuition and we really work out what makes us. 225 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:10,320 It's what you were saying about the home, what makes you feel 226 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:12,760 amazing. It's the same clothing wise, 227 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:14,000 what makes you? Feel. 228 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:18,760 No, I totally I, I'm 100%. If you put something on and it 229 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:21,360 doesn't feel right, you as a woman, you have to change that. 230 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:23,800 Otherwise your day is destroyed. Yeah. 231 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:27,240 It's a bad clothing day or a bad bad hair day. 232 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:29,200 Now. You were born in South Africa, 233 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:31,320 moved to London when you were two. 234 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:35,080 Were you very aware of your parents style growing up? 235 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:39,680 Yes, very. My mother has amazing style and 236 00:13:39,680 --> 00:13:42,160 did very early on. You know, she had Chinchimino 237 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:46,840 design, her study, I remember, and her bedroom was kind of 238 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:48,920 groundbreaking when I look back at it. 239 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:53,240 My father was in fashion, so I suppose sort of subconsciously 240 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:56,200 it was always there. And of course she was into art, 241 00:13:56,200 --> 00:14:00,480 and we were always in museums and music and very kind of 242 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:05,120 people coming over to the house that were poets and authors and 243 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:07,680 whatever. So I was kind of surrounded by 244 00:14:07,680 --> 00:14:11,880 that whole world. So I'm not sure I was conscious 245 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:15,520 of it, but subconsciously it was very much a part of my growing 246 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:17,080 up. I mean, I never knew your 247 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:21,120 father, but your mother I always thought of as being Immaculate, 248 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:25,120 always the sort of twin set and pearls. 249 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:27,640 I always think of her with giant pearls. 250 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:31,600 And I think of you as someone who wears pearls a lot. 251 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:33,200 Do you think you've got that from your mother? 252 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:36,840 Probably from my grandmother because she gave me some pearls. 253 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:38,720 So I think, and I've always loved pearls. 254 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:40,640 I think pearls are great on your skin. 255 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:42,920 And yeah, I, yeah, I love. Jewelry. 256 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:44,240 Do you still have your grandmother's? 257 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:45,000 Pearls. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 258 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:46,480 I wear them all the time. Hopefully. 259 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:47,040 Yeah. Lovely. 260 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:49,320 Do you think about her every time you put them on? 261 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:53,520 Not every time, but I have a brooch that specifically reminds 262 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:57,680 me of her. But yeah, but I'm lazy when it 263 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:00,280 comes to jewelry. I just put the same stuff on day 264 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,560 in and day out, you know, I. Think you're very good with 265 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,680 jewelry, You know, you layer your jewelry really beautifully 266 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:07,280 well. Thank you, but it is the same 267 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:12,080 pieces. But do you remember the first 268 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:18,360 time that clothes made you feel different, either in a good way 269 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:21,240 or a bad way? Can I answer that twice? 270 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:28,840 Yeah, so the first time I was probably 8, and I remember this 271 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:33,280 because somebody found a photo of me standing wearing a bright 272 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:39,000 orange and yellow dress that is quite horrendous. 273 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:42,160 But I remember feeling so good in it. 274 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:46,480 And I remember having to fight with my mother to wear it. 275 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:50,400 But I remember really, really feeling great in that. 276 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:56,960 And I think that there have been many moments in my life where I 277 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:01,920 felt that way, but there have been as many the other way as in 278 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:03,840 not feeling that good. Yeah. 279 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:07,440 So the other night I went out and I felt so good in what I was 280 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:09,360 wearing. And it was just a dress with a 281 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:13,600 pair of sock boots with I, I just felt amazing. 282 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:16,840 So the whole night I felt great. But if you go somewhere and it's 283 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:21,560 something just isn't quite right, it I, I don't feel 100%. 284 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:25,080 And I don't know if that's a bad thing or it's just the way that 285 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:28,440 we're built as women. Had you planned that look that 286 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:32,440 you wore out the other night? Yeah, so I had thought about it. 287 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:34,800 Yeah. So I've become more laid back 288 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:36,440 about it. So it's in the my consciousness. 289 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:38,560 If I'm lying in the bath, OK, what am I going to wear? 290 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:45,280 And then that morning I decided begrudgingly can't say the word, 291 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:48,160 to try it all on. I couldn't actually be bothered. 292 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,120 But I tried it on quickly and I was like, Yep, that's fine. 293 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:54,080 Hung it up and went. On with my day, grudgingly, was 294 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:56,320 someone making you try? No, it was just I had better 295 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:59,000 things to do, you know, that's what I'm saying. 296 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:03,760 I'm more chilled about it. But if I hadn't and I got 297 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:07,480 dressed sort of 45 minutes before and it didn't work, then 298 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,839 I'd be like hot flush, you know, running around mad at myself. 299 00:17:10,839 --> 00:17:16,800 Just describe that look to me. So it was a Victoria Beckham, a 300 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:21,119 kind of plum colored satin dress with long sleeves that kind of 301 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:23,720 slightly battered under here, but very, very tight. 302 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:28,600 And it was, I think bias cut. And I had a pair of, I can never 303 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,160 say the designer's name. I always want to say Prozac, but 304 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:33,480 it's not Prozac. Thank you. 305 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:39,040 Sock boots, flat because they were more comfortable. 306 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:43,360 And I had my hair up like this, which is the lazy Kelly Hoppen 307 00:17:43,360 --> 00:17:45,680 hair. And I just felt great because it 308 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:48,560 just slid on my body. The shoes were comfy. 309 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:51,200 I was swanning around and it was brilliant, brilliant. 310 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:56,080 Now, spinning back, you spent a year living and playing with a 311 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:57,600 band in South Africa. Oh. 312 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:01,440 My God, where did you get that? What were you wearing back then? 313 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:05,240 That was a troublesome time for clothes for me. 314 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:10,880 I think I remember well it was probably warm, so sort of 315 00:18:11,360 --> 00:18:13,840 hideous. Linen dresses and jeans and 316 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:18,360 T-shirts and nothing special at all because we were, you know, 317 00:18:18,360 --> 00:18:22,160 travelling a lot. To be honest with you, I can't 318 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,240 remember because it was obviously so bad. 319 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:27,640 It was a traumatic time. Yeah, clothing wise, you know, I 320 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:33,400 couldn't, no, not in my life, but just like I didn't really 321 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:35,840 have a look. And I I think what I've learned 322 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:39,160 today is if you have, you know, Angela Radcliffe, you know who 323 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:41,760 you know, is a dear friend of mine, She really helped me with 324 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:45,800 my wardrobe, eliminate things that I never wore but I felt I 325 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:50,560 had to hold onto. And I sort of found my look. 326 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:53,240 Whereas in those days, I didn't know whether I was Arthur or 327 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:55,560 Martha, so I didn't know what I was doing. 328 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:57,560 Yeah. So I never really had that 329 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:00,520 capsule wardrobe. Did you, do you feel like your 330 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:03,760 style changed hugely when you returned to England and you 331 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:07,120 started your business and. Yeah, but I was still very 332 00:19:07,120 --> 00:19:08,720 young. I was sort of 16. 333 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:13,560 So I think, you know, I had a look then, but it was kind of 334 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:15,600 miss. I remember Missoni scarf, 335 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:18,960 T-shirt, jeans, cowboy boots. It was kind of that era. 336 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:22,880 And then I remember sort of going into more kind of Kenzo, 337 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:28,160 more tailored. But yeah, I, I I'm better with 338 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:30,520 tailored. Is it called tailoring? 339 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:33,240 Yes, tailoring, you know, I think it's better for me to have 340 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:35,400 that kind of structure. Yeah. 341 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:40,640 You got married for the first time at 23, so that was the 342 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,120 early 80s. Can you describe that dress? 343 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,440 Oh my God, you are really drudging up some. 344 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,960 Well, it's part of your journey. It's part of your skin, not. 345 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:50,400 Like a meringue. Are you happy? 346 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:54,160 It was the 80s. Everyone looked like a meringue. 347 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:59,840 I mean, it was kind of crossover here with a really odd cut on 348 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:05,640 the in at the waist and this big thing that came out like skirt. 349 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,120 But we could talk about my second wedding, which was a lot 350 00:20:10,120 --> 00:20:13,240 better. Tell me about your second my. 351 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:17,760 2nd wedding was How I Met you and I still have that. 352 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:20,640 The coat and the dress. I would have them both. 353 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:23,080 Oh my God. And I wear the coat all the time 354 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:24,560 over jeans. Lovely. 355 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:29,200 So just to describe it to everybody, it was emerald green 356 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:36,120 crushed velvet long coat with mink cuffs. 357 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:39,000 And then it was a dress that had like a mink bodice. 358 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:42,280 It was very pre Raphaelite and I had Amanda Wakeley. 359 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,480 Jimmy Choo. Jimmy Choo shoes, flats and 360 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:49,280 highs for the after party and whatever and I have never felt 361 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:52,320 better. And I had beautiful antique red 362 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:55,520 roses that John Carter did. And all the girls Sienna, 363 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:59,640 Savannah and Tash all had similar crushed velvet. 364 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,800 I think they were wearing have. You ever been a bridesmaid? 365 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,400 Yes, I have been a bridesmaid. Good bridesmaids. 366 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:09,000 Dresses bad. Well, I was very little. 367 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:14,040 Yeah, I just found the bracelet, funnily enough that I was given. 368 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:17,840 It was my mother's brother and sister-in-law that got married, 369 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:23,160 so I was probably 6-7. Yeah, that was the first and 370 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,040 last time. Was it a good moment? 371 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,040 Yeah, I loved it. I loved it, loved it. 372 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:28,960 It was white and it had a pink sash. 373 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:30,960 Yeah. And I just thought that was the 374 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:32,240 best thing ever. Yeah. 375 00:21:32,360 --> 00:21:36,280 I think some of those young bridesmaids moments, oh, they 376 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:40,560 can actually be what switches you on to realise the power of 377 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:41,320 clothes. Yeah. 378 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:45,520 How good you feel in that little dress or that little outfit? 379 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,920 Now, at the moment you're living between London and the 380 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:50,560 Cotswolds. Do you think you have a 381 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:53,400 different style for the Cotswolds than you do for 382 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:55,040 London? Tricky, isn't it? 383 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,720 So when I said I found my style, I definitely have found it, but 384 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:04,360 it took me a little bit longer to find that mix of country and 385 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,160 town. Yeah, but I've got it down to an 386 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,680 art now, and it's very chilled jeans. 387 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:15,080 And then what I found is the old country in averted commas, where 388 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,760 people went and literally just wore jeans and sweaters. 389 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,240 Now, if you go to someone's house for dinner, you have to 390 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:24,280 actually ask what to wear because I've made that mistake 391 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:27,120 where I've kind of gone and that kind of chilled, like sloppy 392 00:22:27,120 --> 00:22:30,480 almost slippers, but not really. And people are like properly 393 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,320 dressed up. So you have to ask these days. 394 00:22:33,360 --> 00:22:38,360 Cotswolds for you, I have to ask this question. 395 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:42,400 Do you think you've ever dressed to match the room that you're 396 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,720 going to be in? Never, never, never, never. 397 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,560 Even at home, that's interesting, but. 398 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:53,600 One weird factor is that John and I will get dressed on 399 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:58,480 different floors and it's really odd that we end up often like 400 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,720 our Navy, he's in Navy. Our webby cut khaki, he's got 401 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:03,440 cut. That's so weird. 402 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:07,400 Do you think you've ever used clothes to, or bags for that 403 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:11,400 matter, to message? Just talk about who you are. 404 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:17,560 No, Well, no, not, not like what you're sort of saying, but I 405 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:21,760 think that I would dress a certain way in the old days if I 406 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:26,680 was going to give a speech or if I knew who was in the room, you 407 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:30,720 would dress appropriately, but not to not to give a message. 408 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:35,600 And actually very early on in my career, and I won't say who, but 409 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:40,960 somebody, I got dressed one day to go and give a talk at 410 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:46,280 Bloomberg and I dress in something that was so not me. 411 00:23:46,360 --> 00:23:49,560 Like I was going like I was in suits and, you know, banking. 412 00:23:50,120 --> 00:23:53,280 Going into a boardroom. And somebody just went, what are 413 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,840 you doing? Like, where has Kelly Hopping 414 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:57,800 gone? You're going there because of 415 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,520 who you are. Go and get dressed 416 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,200 appropriately. And I remember that being a 417 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,640 really pivotal moment for me, which was never lose your 418 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,280 identity wearing somebody else's clothes. 419 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:12,440 That is such good advice, I think it really is. 420 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,920 And I think it came out of fear that I wasn't good enough to be 421 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:17,280 doing Bloomberg. Yeah. 422 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:18,720 Do you know? Yeah. 423 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,640 So I think, and I think more today, people can be their own 424 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,320 identity, can't they? You only have to look at the 425 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,240 Fashion Awards, all different ages, age groups, all in 426 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:31,240 different types of clothes, just having a good time and being who 427 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,280 they want to be. And you know, in this crazy 428 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,240 world we live in, I think that in itself is a good thing. 429 00:24:38,120 --> 00:24:42,160 Talking about dressing appropriately, you were awarded 430 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:46,440 your CPE in 2020. Now that's quite a moment. 431 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:50,080 You went to Windsor? Windsor this time, yeah. 432 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,520 What did you wear to collect your honor? 433 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,120 So Sam Dougal, who's made quite a few pieces for me, I called 434 00:24:56,120 --> 00:25:00,080 him up and he'd made me a kind of classic dress that I've worn 435 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:04,760 over the years on and off, which was, you know, racer back and 436 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,000 just very tight with a huge skirt. 437 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:11,160 And I said, I really want to wear something in a beautiful 438 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:16,880 grey, like a kind of wool and with this tiny little blue 439 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,800 bolero type of jacket that came across because I knew I would be 440 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:24,720 putting my, my CBE on and I knew what color it was. 441 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,640 So I was kind of working it that way. 442 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,360 And so he made it for me. And I've still got it and I'll 443 00:25:30,360 --> 00:25:32,840 I'll wear it with a pair of trainers and do something 444 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:38,240 different with it another time. But I always find making clothes 445 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:43,200 for something quite terrifying. I prefer to go and try something 446 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,360 on and buy it. Did you wear a hat? 447 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,400 No with. This no. 448 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,680 Would you say you've got a style icon? 449 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:57,960 Yes, So you'll probably laugh, but obviously it's someone like 450 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,000 Jane Birkin. I mean, who wouldn't? 451 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,760 I loved her kind of casualness and it just, she threw it all 452 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:06,920 together and it just looked so effortless. 453 00:26:07,360 --> 00:26:10,760 But then I was thinking of somebody like Diane Keaton. 454 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:15,440 Keaton Keaton, yes, that kind of look with the baggy trousers and 455 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,720 the shirt and the polo neck and whatever. 456 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,960 I sort of like that. I, I really found that amazing. 457 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,720 So I'm not picking an icon like a Marilyn Monroe who, you know, 458 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,880 I absolutely adore. I'm sort of talking more about 459 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:32,280 people that I look to, even Meg Ryan, who's a dear friend, but 460 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:36,480 her look and the way she would wear dresses with bigger, 461 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,160 clunkier shoes and things, people like that that have 462 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,360 created a look and a style for me, they are iconic. 463 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:48,120 Would you say you had an interior style icon when you 464 00:26:48,120 --> 00:26:52,040 first started I? Think I was too young, the only 465 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,320 one who you know, But you know, obviously the David Hicks of, of 466 00:26:55,360 --> 00:26:57,320 our, you know, was extraordinary. 467 00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,400 It was the very first book I'd ever bought. 468 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,480 I've still got it and it's completely faded. 469 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,200 But there are, you know, there are some unbelievable designers, 470 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:10,240 you know, that have been around for a long time. 471 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:14,440 But they were all very different styles to what I did. 472 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:18,760 But I suppose when I started the likes of Anoushka Hemphill, who 473 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:23,440 I hugely admire, their granny who's a completely different 474 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:28,600 style, you know, Christine Liag is my 100% top icon of all 475 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:33,040 times, you know. But then there are a few people, 476 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,280 yeah, that I definitely looked up to. 477 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,840 And you're in front of the camera a lot, are you? 478 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,280 Does that affect your choice of what you put on? 479 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,360 Well I'll always want to know if it's going to be hot or cold so 480 00:27:45,360 --> 00:27:48,320 that I don't overheat and have too many clothes on. 481 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:53,200 So I think that is probably the only checklist that I check now. 482 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,640 But I want to feel comfortable. I want to feel OK in what I'm 483 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:02,200 wearing. But you're not sort of aware of 484 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:07,840 silhouette in terms of filming. No, no, not really. 485 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,160 Now you were a WAG for a short while. 486 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,800 God, you're really. Dreading too, and I was proud to 487 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,080 be a WAG, no? I think, you know, it was a 488 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,360 moment. It was a, it was a fun moment. 489 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:22,040 You know, when you were dating Sol Campbell, do you think your 490 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:27,000 style changed notably? I mean, he was also a 16 years 491 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,680 old junior. Yeah, so I remember that moment 492 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:34,880 that picture was taken of us at an Asprey opening, and I was 493 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,280 wearing an orange satin Calvin Klein dress. 494 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,480 And it was everywhere after that. 495 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,920 And it was like, you know, Kelly Hoppin, her Renaissance and 496 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,680 whatever. But I look back at my fashion 497 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:52,160 past that first date and it was quite questionable. 498 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:56,000 Now when I look back at it, you know, it was quite dolchig a 499 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,600 banner. It was quite a bit over the top. 500 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:04,040 I just wish I had been the person I am now in fashion then, 501 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,520 because it would have been. But it doesn't work that way. 502 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,800 So yeah, it was, you know, a part of my life that I don't 503 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,200 regret. But I certainly don't think my 504 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:18,760 choices of clothing were great. But were you affected by 505 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,760 probably the other Wags? Oh, no, no, not by the other 506 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:27,800 Wags, but more about no, definitely not by them, but just 507 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,040 because of the relationship. I think maybe what was expected 508 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:35,600 of me, maybe more, yeah. And I mean, now you're with John 509 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,600 very happily. Does he? 510 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,800 Does he have a lot to say about what you wear? 511 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,400 Nothing at all. And do you dress? 512 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:47,520 Who would you say you dress for? I think I dress differently now. 513 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,560 I mean, every time I come down, if we're going out, I'll say, 514 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,920 what do you think? And he goes absolutely 515 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:54,600 beautiful. But then you always do look 516 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,280 beautiful. He always says that. 517 00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:00,160 But if I said to him, as I did the other day, which shoe he 518 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:05,440 went, please don't ask me that because he hasn't, you know, 519 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,600 it's not his thing. But he will always say you look 520 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,160 fabulous. Oh yeah. 521 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:14,720 Good boy John, how would you want someone to describe your 522 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:20,040 style DNA in three words? Stylish, classic and effortless 523 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:22,920 like that. I mean, that's what I'd like to 524 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,200 be seen. It probably would be something 525 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:30,280 completely different. What do you reach for when you 526 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:34,880 need to feel empowered? I will always go for one or two 527 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,200 pairs of trousers. Funny enough, a leather pair of 528 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:43,560 trousers and a sweater probably would make me feel good rather 529 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:47,880 than an evening dress, you know, because my identity is more 530 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,440 about the big trouser with the small top and a good pair of 531 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,960 trainers or a good pair of shoes that that will make me feel 532 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,040 strong. And I like to put a twist on 533 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,080 clothes, which you've always done. 534 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,720 You know, you taught me a huge amount in the way that you used 535 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:09,560 to mix your styles and, you know, wear something I'll never 536 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,120 forget. One of your things was a 537 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:19,040 beautiful grey satin Duchess silk massive skirt, which you 538 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:20,920 just wore with a grey cashmere sweater. 539 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,040 And I remember thinking, God, that's so clever. 540 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,400 You know, mixing those, and it's what I've done in interiors, is 541 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,000 mix the most unusual fabrics together. 542 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,560 So I think for me, it's about finding something, you know, 543 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,880 fits your body no matter how you feel. 544 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:36,400 Yeah. And that's empowering. 545 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,440 Yeah. I mean, talking about feeling, I 546 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,840 know you had a horrible brush with breast cancer a few years 547 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,960 ago and I just wondered if you ever used clothes during that 548 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,760 time, sort of, you know, as a, as your armour. 549 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,960 It was a very vulnerable time. No, not really, because your 550 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,680 shape changes, you know, after what I went through. 551 00:31:55,680 --> 00:32:00,480 So I'm, I'm sort of conscious now, less so because I don't 552 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:05,680 care because I'm cancer free. But you know, I have one breast 553 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,760 which is smaller than the other and it just is what it is. 554 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,920 So if I'm going to be wearing something that is tight, I will 555 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,560 probably make sure that I put a bra on that looks better. 556 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,560 But actually I don't care. And in a way that's quite 557 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:22,440 liberating for me that I've kind of got to the point where health 558 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:26,200 is more important than that. So I think at the time it was 559 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,920 literally track suits and just feeling kind of cosy. 560 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:31,880 Cocooning. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 561 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:36,480 We talk about hair, makeup, manicures for a moment. 562 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,360 Have you ever been tempted with the Talon nails? 563 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,480 Because I know you've you're always a woman who's got the 564 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,360 most Immaculate nails. I have a thing. 565 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,280 Well, so do you. I have a thing about short nails 566 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:52,440 and if they get too long I can't bear it so I literally. 567 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:57,000 The tap on the keyboard. Yeah, I just, I hate the way it 568 00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:58,880 feels. I like very short so and I 569 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,800 admire women that have got long, long nails. 570 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,040 I used to, but nails are really important for me because I use 571 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:09,720 my hands a lot and I think it's something that's easy to get 572 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:13,000 done. My hair on the other side is, 573 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,200 you know, either down or up. There's those are the only two 574 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,360 ways. And I've become very lazy in the 575 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,040 last couple of years where it's literally in a scrunchie. 576 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,240 Never thought I'd actually say I was wearing one. 577 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:28,240 I was trying to work out somebody. 578 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,960 Bought it for me, but I just wrote and I literally just put 579 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,720 it up and it goes on the top and it kind of it. 580 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,280 It just is what it is. Because otherwise, there's a lot 581 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:40,040 of it, but it's kind of the only thing in my life that's never 582 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,920 let me down is my hair. A lot of other things, huh? 583 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:50,120 Where are you at on tweakments? What's a tweakment? 584 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:54,840 A tweakment is a bit of filler, a bit of Botox, a bit of. 585 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,920 I am 100% into collagen wave and which. 586 00:33:59,960 --> 00:34:02,240 Is collagen wave. So collagen wave is something 587 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:07,320 that I have done for probably, it's probably six years. 588 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:11,719 So Neelam, it's like a wand and it overheats the collagen 589 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,920 inside. And I've been doing it every 590 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,880 month for probably six years. So that sort of creates some 591 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,080 trauma. It creates the trauma under the 592 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,159 skin, but it depends how hot you have it. 593 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:27,440 And I will do. And I've had micro needling and 594 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:32,000 I've had Morpheus a couple of years ago. 595 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:36,239 So I've done things like that. But you were one of the faces of 596 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:40,639 the L'Oreal Age Perfect campaign, which is amazing, 597 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,280 Absolutely. What did that mean to you? 598 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:49,159 Well, I was so shocked when I got the e-mail, but so excited 599 00:34:49,159 --> 00:34:52,199 because it was, it's such an iconic brand to say I'm worth 600 00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:54,719 it. And obviously, like drove John 601 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:56,960 mad. After that, you can only 602 00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:00,080 imagine. But more to the point, I thought 603 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,400 the campaign was so strong and so relevant. 604 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:04,280 God. We need more of. 605 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:09,680 Them so relevant to my age at 65 and so many times people have 606 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:13,640 come up and said you look great for your age and but I'd never 607 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,120 kind of thought about it until I read it and read the campaign 608 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,400 notes and they wanted it to be really authentic. 609 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:25,600 And I was like 100%. So it was a, you know, a 610 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:29,560 frighteningly brilliant day shooting it are. 611 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:33,880 You a talking age. Are you aware of dressing 612 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:39,480 appropriately for your age? No, because I think I do anyway. 613 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,320 I mean, I'm not, you know, as you know, better than anyone. 614 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:46,080 I'm never going to be in a pair of hot pants or a mini skirt, so 615 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:47,640 that's never going to be a problem. 616 00:35:49,240 --> 00:35:52,720 But no, I don't think so. I don't. 617 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,520 Would you say you've had had a worst fashion moment? 618 00:35:56,720 --> 00:36:00,800 Oh God, yeah, so many. One in particular that really 619 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,320 stands out that you think about and you just cringe. 620 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:12,240 Well, one was a dress that somebody lent me that was so 621 00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:15,680 heavy to walk in. God, I hope it wasn't. 622 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,320 Wasn't yours? I knew you were going to say 623 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:18,600 that. It definitely wasn't one of 624 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,440 yours. I still own a lot of your 625 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:26,360 dresses, you know, I've kept them, but I couldn't walk. 626 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,240 And yeah, it was a lot of metal on it and stuff. 627 00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:32,760 It looked amazing, but I couldn't get out the car. 628 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,200 I couldn't walk down the red carpet. 629 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,880 So that was definitely not one of my greatest moments. 630 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:38,880 It wasn't effortless. No. 631 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:45,680 When you're choosing what to wear, do you start with a 632 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,720 particular item in mind that you really, really want to wear, 633 00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:52,920 Like a new pair of sneakers or a pants or. 634 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,960 But I think that I think if you start with a pair of shoes, it 635 00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,320 becomes quite awkward. I don't know if that's the same 636 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:02,600 with you, but I'm always better starting with the trousers or a 637 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,760 dress or a jacket rather than a shoe. 638 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,160 End up with everything on the floor because I just want to 639 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,040 wear this pair of shoes and it's just not going to happen. 640 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:20,920 When you are going out shopping, if you indeed you do, do you 641 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:25,680 have in mind what you're looking for or do you, are you, are you 642 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,280 a mood shopper? Well, I. 643 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:32,200 Don't really go out shopping. I do a lot of shopping online, 644 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,640 but when I go to another country, if I'm traveling for 645 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:39,080 work, I know this is going to sound weird, but I can kind of 646 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:43,240 dream up the, the one thing that I've wanted for a long time. 647 00:37:43,240 --> 00:37:46,600 And I and I kind of make it happen and I'll walk into a shop 648 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:51,680 and it will be there. But that moment will be probably 649 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:56,280 a 15 minute moment that I will have in my work day where I've 650 00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,960 just specifically going to go there because I'm sure I'm going 651 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,200 to find that one thing. Can you give me a for instance? 652 00:38:02,720 --> 00:38:06,360 So it will be like I'll be. In Milan and I will have been 653 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:11,720 before to Corsicoma and I'd had a great experience at that time 654 00:38:11,720 --> 00:38:15,160 before finding something so in my mind I'd be like what would I 655 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,880 think I could find there? So it might be the perfect white 656 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:23,360 T-shirt or it would be a certain brand that I know is that. 657 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,840 And I think, well, I wonder if they've got that and I'll find 658 00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,040 it. So it's not like magic, but it's 659 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,120 like, I will go there specifically for something and 660 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:35,360 it often works. Have you ever? 661 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:43,080 Bought yourself a gift having completed a large project that 662 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,440 that just as a sort of a well done Kelly gift. 663 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,120 No, because I do that quite often. 664 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:53,200 Anyway, I thought you might say that I don't need a job to do 665 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:57,360 that. I'm quite good to myself, as you 666 00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,720 should be. And let's talk about travel for 667 00:38:59,720 --> 00:39:02,160 a minute. Do you pay particular attention 668 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,840 to your your airport look, your travel look not like other 669 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:09,600 people? Do but I I will be comfortable, 670 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,600 but I'm conscious that I I like to travel looking good. 671 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,440 But I think it's more about your handbag. 672 00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,040 I don't know why, I don't know why. 673 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,400 What's your favorite handbag? I guess the first. 674 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,280 Birkin I ever bought because that was a really big moment for 675 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:26,680 me. Was it a Taupe 1? 676 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:27,920 No. Actually, it was. 677 00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,440 Like sand color, you know, they're classic. 678 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,120 And then my row bag that I have now, I just love. 679 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:39,240 But I everyone knows I'm a Hamburg person. 680 00:39:39,240 --> 00:39:41,560 I love hamburgers. I particularly like mini 681 00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,800 handbags. Coming back to travel. 682 00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,760 Good Packer, bad Packer. I'm a brilliant Packer now. 683 00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,720 I was dreadful before, but I've taught myself. 684 00:39:49,720 --> 00:39:53,800 I actually went on on Google and and looked at some people showed 685 00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,520 how you roll things and pack everything and I learnt 686 00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,680 something new the other day, you know, in your suitcase. 687 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,360 Like one of those wheelie ones that you open, you know, on the 688 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,280 one side, it's got a zip, but you never think you can put 689 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,120 something underneath. But it is, It's for shoes. 690 00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,200 Did you know that? I didn't. 691 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,240 Anyway, what? What luggage do you use? 692 00:40:15,720 --> 00:40:19,960 Samsung. Just really simple, easy, but. 693 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,880 And I never pretty much check in a bag, really. 694 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,720 Yeah, so I've got that good because I've lost so much 695 00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:30,120 luggage which. Brand, would you consider to be 696 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:34,640 your guilty secret and why the Roe I. 697 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:36,560 Thought you were going to say that A. 698 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,560 Teeny. Teeny bit of Chanel every so 699 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:43,880 often but not really. I would say more the Roe or Yeah 700 00:40:44,720 --> 00:40:47,320 High Street favorite. Well, Zara. 701 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:55,360 M&S for Cashmere, Zara for kind of cool things that you might 702 00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,200 just want to add to other things. 703 00:40:58,720 --> 00:41:00,720 Yeah, a money. No object brand? 704 00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:07,360 Well, the row and. What, if anything? 705 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,000 Do you feel you have an excessive amount of in your 706 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,520 wardrobe handbags? Yeah. 707 00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:14,160 You're not going to tell me how many are you? 708 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,800 No, because it's not as many as. You think, but I've just I it's 709 00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:22,920 not even big handbags, it's little ones as they're like 710 00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:26,560 tiny, they don't really count. And do you use them? 711 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:27,560 I can. Use them all. 712 00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:28,840 Yeah, you. Can fit things. 713 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:33,160 In them, yeah, definitely. Who does the best mini mini bag? 714 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:35,000 Well, it depends what you call by. 715 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:40,000 Mini So VB Victoria Beckham, her Dorian bag or all her bags. 716 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:44,440 She has really thought out the telephone, you know, your 717 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:48,520 lipstick, your everything that you might need, and it's small 718 00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:49,280 enough. Yeah. 719 00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:50,840 Woman designing for. Women. 720 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,160 Yeah, absolutely. Guilty. 721 00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:58,000 Secret What's the most expensive item of clothing you've bought? 722 00:41:58,080 --> 00:41:59,920 I'm not asking for the price tag. 723 00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:02,880 You might be relieved to hear. Well, it was probably the. 724 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,960 Birkin, I would think, yeah. Do you still use your? 725 00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:11,160 Birkins yes I do, but. I'm not as much as I used to, 726 00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:16,440 but I do love them and I sort of quite like the way people are 727 00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,720 putting things on them now and making them not so quite so 728 00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:23,320 stiff looking. Yeah, I must admit I pulled. 729 00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:27,240 One of mine out of the safe the other day in the country and I 730 00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,320 thought, God, it's knackered. Is it the blue one? 731 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:31,520 No. No. 732 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,080 It was the tan 1 and I just thought. 733 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:36,760 Maybe I should just? Graffiti it. 734 00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:40,040 No, no, don't do that. What's? 735 00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,840 Your approach to sustainable fashion look, I think. 736 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:49,040 Everything we do in this life right now should be sustainable, 737 00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:53,200 should be green, should be, you know, and without getting 738 00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:57,000 political, you know, everyone is in Baku was last week trying to 739 00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:02,080 figure out how we can do all of this as we're seeing, you know, 740 00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,360 towns around us sitting in water. 741 00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,360 And, you know, so I think whatever we're doing in the 742 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,920 world, we have to become more sustainable for all kinds of 743 00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,560 reasons, but we need to do it quicker. 744 00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:18,160 And I'm not an expert on it. So I don't know what it is that 745 00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:22,440 we're doing wrong, but I I'm all for being sustainable in every 746 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,640 aspect of the way that we live. What do you do with your 747 00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:27,040 clothes? When you've had enough of them, 748 00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:28,920 give them. Away. 749 00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:33,760 Do you ever sell them? I sell some of the like big 750 00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:37,720 pieces that, you know, I've I've had for a while, but I tend to 751 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:42,440 like recycle them. And when I did the big clear 752 00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:48,000 out, I gave a huge amount away. I mean like a proper amount 1 to 753 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,400 a particular woman who I gave to who I knew was going to then 754 00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:55,280 give it to a lot of other people because it just felt the right 755 00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,480 thing to do. You know what's old to me, is 756 00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,560 new to someone else, just begins its journey. 757 00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:02,720 Yeah, or it continues its journey. 758 00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:04,120 It continues its journey which is sort. 759 00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:07,120 Of I love that, yeah. Do you ever buy vintage? 760 00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:11,240 I have a bit of a problem with. Vintage because I feel like it's 761 00:44:11,240 --> 00:44:15,640 got history that you don't know about on the one side. 762 00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,960 And on the other side, I want to go, yeah, I love vintage because 763 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:27,240 it sounds cool, but maybe I just haven't had great success with 764 00:44:27,240 --> 00:44:30,160 vintage. And there's a smell about 765 00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,560 vintage. But there are some people who I 766 00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,600 admire who always look incredible in vintage pieces. 767 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,960 And what would you say? Is the oldest piece in your 768 00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,040 wardrobe? Well, probably. 769 00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:47,080 Jewelry, obviously, yeah, I've probably got a few pieces that 770 00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,200 I've had for a like jeans actually. 771 00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,800 Yeah, like 5 O ones and yeah, yeah, yeah. 772 00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,440 Oh, and I've got yes, I've got lots of very cool. 773 00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:01,240 I've got Voyage jeans that I never threw away with all of 774 00:45:01,240 --> 00:45:02,720 the. Stars justify through. 775 00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:04,240 Yeah. No, no, I know. 776 00:45:04,240 --> 00:45:09,080 But they still fit and yeah, so probably jeans are the oldest 777 00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:12,040 thing, but our. Bodies change. 778 00:45:12,240 --> 00:45:15,640 You're super fit and probably fitter than you've ever been. 779 00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,040 Yeah, with jeans. Have you? 780 00:45:18,240 --> 00:45:19,640 I've altered them. You've altered. 781 00:45:19,720 --> 00:45:21,360 Them I've done an Amanda Wakeley. 782 00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,120 Yeah, I mean, you're the the, you know, the ultimate of 783 00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:28,200 changing and doing stuff to say upcycling. 784 00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,000 Yeah, right. Let's spin. 785 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,200 On some quick fire questions. OK, what fashion advice would 786 00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,880 you give your 20 year old self? Oh. 787 00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,200 Start again. I mean literally. 788 00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:45,280 I wish I would have been able to be confident enough to be able 789 00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:48,240 to feel good in what I was wearing. 790 00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:52,240 I feel like I wasted a whole part of my youth not feeling 791 00:45:52,240 --> 00:45:55,640 good in the clothes that I wore. And yet you probably look back 792 00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:57,720 at the. Pictures and think I look great, 793 00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:01,880 no I don't. Which fashion? 794 00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,120 Trend would you most like to see make a comeback? 795 00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,720 I'm quite partial to sort of. Gatsby, you know, all of the 796 00:46:07,720 --> 00:46:12,600 kind of that movement in dresses and things, flapper dresses. 797 00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:16,480 I could pass on the hats, but I, I kind of love that whole era. 798 00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,360 Yeah, fashion or. Beauty trend that you would 799 00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,160 consign to room 101? What do you call those things? 800 00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:25,680 Knickerbockers. Not great, no. 801 00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:27,800 Awful. I can't really think of anything 802 00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,440 your last impulse by. Yesterday. 803 00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,400 What was it it? Was a pair of. 804 00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:45,360 Shirling lined black suede kind of slipper boot from the row. 805 00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:52,120 Impulse, extravagant buy, Probably go back. 806 00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,240 Your views on. Tattoos. 807 00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,960 I don't have AII. Don't dislike tattoos. 808 00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,720 I wish I'd had the courage to have a tiny little one on my 809 00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,720 wrist or something when I was like, in my 20s, but I wouldn't 810 00:47:03,720 --> 00:47:06,160 do it now. I'm surrounded by people with 811 00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:11,080 tattoos, you know, in my office. My kids, they're cool. 812 00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:13,320 Beauty treatment you. Couldn't give up. 813 00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,240 Oh, collagen wave. High end. 814 00:47:16,240 --> 00:47:19,520 Or High Street. Can I say both? 815 00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:21,240 Yeah. Bling or bear? 816 00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:24,680 Bear. Minimalism. 817 00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:27,040 Or maximalism. Oh, minimalism. 818 00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:31,560 Couture or charity? Shop, you're so mean. 819 00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:35,400 Well I've never bought couture so I'm going to say charity 820 00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,280 shop. Crocs. 821 00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,960 Cute or puke? Oh, total puke. 822 00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:44,520 Sneakers or stilettos? Sneakers, bags or shoes? 823 00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:51,080 Oh, bags boyfriends or wide legs. 824 00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:55,400 Wide legs body con or boho body con? 825 00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:59,120 Sports Lux or. Rock Chick Sports Lux. 826 00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:03,960 Red carpet or? Relax, relax Trendle. 827 00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:05,960 Style. Style. 828 00:48:06,240 --> 00:48:09,520 Color or monochrome? Or taupe monochrome is good. 829 00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:14,440 Experimental. Or UU cashmere or cotton, 830 00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:26,000 cashmere, beanie or Berry. Very hoarder or editor? 831 00:48:26,240 --> 00:48:29,200 Editor, charity shop or resale? Both. 832 00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,920 Shapewear or sexy lingerie? Oh, skims. 833 00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:37,360 Yeah, comfy. Yeah, Bridget Jones. 834 00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,880 Not that bad. Tights or stockings? 835 00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,240 Stockings. Definitely bikini or one piece. 836 00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:48,280 Bikini and finally, traditional last question. 837 00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,360 At the end of the day, what do you or don't you wear in bed? 838 00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:56,760 Oh, it's I. Wear like a sarong which ends up 839 00:48:56,760 --> 00:49:01,880 around my waist, which I think probably comes from childhood. 840 00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:06,640 So I'm basically naked but with something around my waist, 841 00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,240 Kelly. I've so enjoyed going on our 842 00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:14,320 style journey together. Thank you. 843 00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,960 Thank you for thank you so much. What fun.