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special treat for listeners. Today I'm going on a sartorial
journey with actor, writer, photographer and artist Lisa
Hogan, owner and Co founder of the now infamous diddly squat
farm shop on Clarkson's farm. Lisa is not only Jeremy
Clarkson's girlfriend, she is his hilarious accomplice and
harshest critic with her fast wit and dry sense of humour.
Her Instagram handle is the tall Irish as she describes herself
an artist. Tall and Irish.
Hello and welcome Lisa. So lovely to see you.
I know you've been incredibly busy with filming.
Is this the last chapter? Well, we were meant to.
We started filming a year ago, having had two weeks off between
season 2 and season 3. And we weren't meant to finish.
So it goes from July until July, but the storyline doesn't make
sense if we finish in July. So we're going till October.
So it is busy and it's so now. It's been exactly 2 years, full
time filming and it's we're all getting a bit tired, I have to
say. Is this the last one?
The last chapter? Tell you, couldn't tell you.
Couldn't tell you. I mean, it has been.
We're just thrilled with this success.
Farming is so heartbreaking and it is anyone that has land.
Has the same issues. They have the same issues of
weather, bureaucracy, prices. So we have so many foreigners
that came, come up to the shop and just go.
We love your show. We have exactly the same issues.
I have to say. What you guys have done for
farming and the farming community is absolutely awesome.
I mean, you couldn't make up an advertising campaign?
Yeah, it's been really satisfying just to reveal the
heartbreak. Of what people go through on a
daily basis. I, I, whenever anyone sort of
been chatting about Clarkson's farm and I I just always
remember that that final line of the first, the first series
where Jeremy says, you know, if if a farmer's grumbling in the
pub, just give him a hug. And by the pint I just thought.
So true. Yeah.
It's brutal. It is.
I mean. When we used to go to the farm,
when we used to live in London and go up to the farm and Jeremy
would go, Oh my God, the crops are amazing, I would panic
going, I don't think they have enough water.
So and that's from being in Ireland growing up where it's
really pretty bleak to farm there.
And for example this year they've had so much rain.
I talked about my potatoes the other day.
So many Irish farmers riding back and we have blight, we
can't. It's, yeah, that's just any
normal year. But this is their livelihood.
You know, we have an Amazon film crew supporting us, but this is
their livelihood on a day-to-day basis.
It's brutal, yeah, because it's it's all about the elements.
You can be a brilliant farmer, but yes, yeah, if the elements
are against you. Exactly.
And you know, science really helps.
And technology will make it better and it will help, but
it's not going to. Do everything.
So we still need to support your local farmers and all their
produce? Absolutely.
I'm talking local. How are the locals behaving?
Very well. We have just had or we had have
you been silent that was. No, not at all.
No, no, sadly not. I probably should be there.
There was only a couple of people in the village and one
person in particular who we weren't the first person that he
had decided to campaign against. So we were in good company with
with say for example the at the lovely football club which is
for the. Oh, that was lovely, yeah.
But he didn't he didn't want them to build a car park.
So. And there was it's the local
football club, it's a goat you know load of young people
anyway, so it's fine. And we had an inspector that
gave an incredibly long report back.
So the restaurant is closed, which is a shame because it was
just the most beautiful spot. But having said that, this
summer. It would have been a bit of a
washout. So you know, because it's all
outside and it's so tiny silver lining, silver lining, but we
are allowed to keep. We have this food fan at the
back. We've got two unbelievable
chefs, Annie and Scott, and they take all of our cows, they take
all of our pigs, they take, they take everything and all of our
oil. They use all our ingredients and
then they make the most delicious food.
So we're allowed to keep that, which is fantastic.
We have a little bar at the back we're allowed to keep.
I'm not really allowed to sell anything that isn't from 16
miles away. And Jeremy will catch me
sneaking stuff in, Not the T-shirts and stuff, which are
from Portugal, but in my head. So for example, some of the
local farmers I make a loss on. I sell their products at what,
the of the supermarket price, That's what I give them.
And I do my own little Robin Hood and I'll sell a couple of
caps on the side and that balances out.
But I'm not really allowed to do that anymore and I don't want to
push. The price up to the customer and
I don't want to get a wholesale price from them, I want them to
get the tires one possible. So I'm just trying to find ways
of boosting my income so I can support them.
Oh, how wonderful. I mean, you've been on quite the
retail journey, haven't you, with Diddly Squat Farm Shop.
And I noticed you're venturing into a little bit of clothing,
T-shirts, hats, caps. Yeah, that's cute.
Online they are, they're cute, they're really good quality and
I mean people have such love for the show and you know, my bags
and stuff. I just thought I'll, I'll give
them something to take away and we have the online shop and that
does quite well, especially for Americans and stuff.
In fact, there was an American last week at Wimbledon.
We were kind of a long group of people.
And someone sitting next to them said, oh, you've been to Diddy's
Squat Farm shop because he had the cap on and he said this is a
real pinch pinch moment. He said yes, we've done
Buckingham Palace, we've done Diddy's Squat Farm Shop and now
we're doing Wimbledon and I was like pinch pinch.
That literally makes me blush. But which?
Makes me so proud that, you know, it's it's highlighted the,
you know, the blight of farmers and you know we're sandwiched
between. 2 Great institutions chapeau to you.
That's amazing. But do you have, Do I?
I love the the logo of the is the Lamborghini crafter.
Is it on fire or it's screeching with with?
So originally it was. I sent my sister doing lockdown.
The first lockdown, a little picture of the Lamborghini, and
she's a graphic design artist. She does works for restaurants
and hotels, and she wasn't because no one was working.
So she did the cute little one with the trailer.
So for example, if I do strawberry jam, I put a little
strawberries coming out of the trailer and all that.
And then we were driving up to London and a Lamborghini shot
past us. And then when the blue flame
came out and I rang her, I was like, Evna, I want a flame.
And she's like, what do you mean a flame where?
So that's where the flame came from.
Yeah, I love it. And kept it in the family too.
Yeah, brilliant. Brilliant.
But do you have aspirations for a full blown country?
Where collection? Not really, no.
No. Only because IT business, the
fashion business. Well, it is.
And also, I I mean, I don't wear smart little jiles and I don't
wear all this. All the country stuff that I
have is either really old from when I bought my first, you
know, country jacket and I still have it, or I grab Jeremy's, but
I'm not that interested in farm fashion per SE phrase.
Fun fashion, if that's an actual thing.
I mean, I like it as it's practical, but once you get,
like, if you're working on a farm, there's only so many.
It's much it's basically it's the weather.
Yeah. You know, So it's not for me,
it's not fashion, it's just outerwear.
Yeah. So, technical kit, yeah.
What are you most excited about though, at the moment?
I have a sense I did a perfume course last year.
Oh, wow. Yeah, So I'm now a perfumer and
I have a sense that I've got two cents I'm going to bring out.
And they won't smell like silage, but they might smell
like silage, silage. So that is quite exciting and
I'm quite close now as well. It's taken a lot longer to get
to where I am now just because I haven't had the the time.
It's a really complicated process though, isn't it?
Are you using any ingredients? Not the sewage.
Anything that I wanted to use say that was legal last year
isn't legal this year. So yeah, so for example, all the
old scents that we would have used and we think, why can't we
find them anymore because. Someone would have got a rash or
it's light sensitive or carcinogenic if you use too much
of say oak Moss is a perfect example.
The amount of oak Moss you can use in a sense now is absolutely
minutes. It's .01% so and it's when you
do it you have to you have to add everything up.
It's basically it's quite the course wasn't really, you know,
I wasn't sitting there with tinctures and making, it was all
spreadsheets and legal. Yeah, a lot of legal stuff a lot
of transport. So that's it's it's quite that
process is I'm actually not going to do.
I'm going to ask someone else to do it because I find it so mind
dumbly boring. But the actual sense, that's
what I do. So you're going to be the nose.
I am the nose. Yeah.
Oh, how exciting. So when will that launch?
Oh my God. Well, I'd like to think if I
could get it for Christmas but, and I need.
To get my skates on good names. Because I remember when I was
going to be evolving A fragrance, we had some
hysterical conversations about what the fragrance should be
called. I remember that with you.
Yeah, So I'm going to call one of them.
So there's one spell which I would Amanda, I said to Amanda,
you must call it this, because if you come out of a shower or a
steamy bathroom or something and you spray yourself on all the
scents open up. So I'm going to call it wet.
And you went, you can't call it perfume wet.
And I was like. Why not?
You're like, you can't And I'm like, well, I will, so it's are
you going to have a wet? I'm going to have a wet that you
put on when you know you're in a kind of if you're on a beach or
you've come out of a shower or a bath and so steamy.
And then you put it on and it comes from when I've put on I
got in America, I got a lure when it first came out, the
original 1. Not the one now because it's
totally changed and I just got out of the shower, put it on,
got a taxi to somewhere. And this taxi, man went, mate,
you're not paying mate. You've just the smell in the
taxi. And when I put it on when I was
wet, it just literally went, Oh my gosh, what is this?
So I'm going to do that. And the other one is called
drive drive. Obviously, of course.
Yeah. And that's more.
They're both ambidextrous. I love these ambidextrous
fragrances. There's something really cool
about and. You can't call it, Jeremy said.
You can't call it ambidextrous. And I'm like, we can't call it
unisex either. So that's like left and right.
Exactly. So it's a very kind of, it'll
be, yeah, it'll be Ave. Texas.
Wonderful, wonderful. So today we're here to talk
about style, right. How did you decide what you're
going to put on to come to this podcast?
Well, I have these treasures which I wore as a nod to you.
And in fact I have the same shirt in a kind of cherry red,
which is amazing, which I should have worn.
But this I got last week. So I thought, I'll Chuck this
on, but I have in my bag, I have a T-shirt to put on as soon as I
leave, as soon as I leave here because I just, yeah, I'm
driving home later and I wouldn't wear something like
this driving home. So I'm very, I very rarely leave
T-shirts, shirts now. I love the fact you've got on
some wakely silk pants. Yeah, from 20 something years
ago, I think. There were gifts from you when
you came to stay in 9495. We're talking about almost 30
years old. Wow.
And I washed them the whole time.
These are my travelling trousers because they have.
Well, when you texted me the other day and you said you were
on a plane, yeah. And you you showed me just a
snippet of them and I was just trying to work out.
Which one? I wear them.
They're really comfy because there's no and also for airports
and stuff. You know there's no zips,
they're just and they have an elasticated waistband, which is
always handy. You can wear these when you're
90. Do you?
I will be wearing them when I'm 90.
I've been wearing them for the last 30 years and I wear them
all the time. Brilliant.
Oh, I love so. Longevity.
Yeah. Clothes.
Good quality. Fantastic.
Now, you grew up in Dublin and I just wondered, what was your
earliest sartorial memory? When was the first time you
realised the impact on how clothes made you feel?
Was there a specific? There was actually, yeah, there
was. So there was a gang of us we
lived on in Ballsbridge and was a gang of young parents that
moved in at the same time. So I'd say there was about 20
kids around our area and all the girls we used to remember
there's a Capri Pants stage and I didn't like Capri Pants.
And I got this pair of really long jeans.
I must have been about probably 12 really long jeans and I was
getting quite tall and Sun in had arrived.
So and because my hair was so mousy, I put sun in in and it
just went cornflower because I had no color basically.
And all my girlfriends with beautiful Raven hair all went
red. So I had this and I used to put
my hair was so straight. I'm looking like an Afghan hand
and I put 2 plots here and two plots here every night and then
I had this blonde frizz. My mom was a painter where she
was an academic, but she was painted a lot and she had this
smock which was like a stripy. Silk smock.
I remember putting that on with the long drain pipes and the
fuzzy white blonde hair and walking down and everyone just
going. And I was like a little dogless
growing up and everyone just going like that.
And that was the moment I thought, this is my style.
And I used to take quite a lot of my My dad had a beautiful the
shirt, he got married and was this heavy, heavy silk, and he
used to nick that a lot. That's amazing because that's
quite young to work out your style.
Yeah, well I didn't know I was working it out.
I just thought, OK, this will do.
But yeah, but then I relate to it and just say, and this is
this is it. This feels so good.
Fantastic. Yeah.
God, there's a lot of 50 year olds out there that are still
trying to work it. Out pretty much wear the same
thing. Yeah.
That's where I feel kind of jeans.
And I mean, if I dress up and go out, I just feel a little bit I
because I'm so tall. You know, all eyes.
And then I have to. I like sneaking in the
background. I'm kind of having conversations
with people. Whereas if you, you know, if I
have heels on and I'm 6 foot four in a dress and my figure is
OK that day, I just feel like a bit of a freak.
I was going to say do being. You're 6 foot two, aren't you?
Six, one and a half, six one and a half, 513, 1/2 as I like to
say 513. So Irish, but do you you happily
wear heels or are you very used? No, I used to wear.
I mean, if I weren't out, yeah, definitely.
Because, you know, it just makes you walk in a fantastic way,
makes your arse stick out and you know, just the whole thing.
I love it. But if I'm going to say go to
stay with someone and they're not tall, I will never bring
heels. It's just out of politeness, I
will not wear heels. That's thoughtful.
Yeah, How tall is Jeremy? He was probably 6-5.
He's probably 6-4 now, but when we?
We were going out, we we had just started dating and he was
going to meet some incredibly good friends of mine and I must
have been wearing, you know, boots or something with a bit of
a heel. And there is a lift with a
mirror. And he looked and he went,
you're taller than I am. And the next thing he runs back
into the apartment and I can just see his arse coming out of
the coverage and he gets these disgusting, really long Cuban
heels with, you know, pointed Cuban heels.
And then he puts them on, I'm like, you're not, you're not
wearing those. And he goes, I am because I'm
taller. And no, he he really, he likes
when I wear heels. Were you mortified?
Yeah, I had to go in and explain immediately why he had this shoe
choice. But I mean, I like, I love
wearing heels. I just don't often anymore.
You were famously a model first. Do you think that had an impact
on your style at all? I mean, I.
Did a little bit of modeling so I was OK.
I like doing catwalk and I like doing ads.
I did not like have my photograph taken.
So you know I was just I wasn't a photogenic and but I was I
preferred to being a character. So I modeled.
I would say I did modeling lights which but the ads I did
really well and especially because a bit of acting.
Yeah, I was. You could show your character
and at the time there's a lot of American ads happening in.
Dublin because it was a strike on so I cleaned up and then went
travelling and and yes then you acted.
Then I did, yeah, yeah. And did you find that putting on
a costume helped you into character?
I mean, in Fierce Creatures, I had to wear a pair of Vivienne
West's with shoes that were like this.
Ronnie Corbett and I were partners in the.
In the movie. So he was five one and I was 6/1
and they still gave me a massive, massive pair of
Vivienne Westwood shoes and that.
Yeah, kind of. I prefer doing what I do now
though, which isn't. I just respond to Jeremy
basically. Interesting.
I mean we first met 20 something years ago when you were, we were
in different chapters of our lives.
You it was. More I think we're talking 30.
I'm well. Yeah, I think we're 30.
Yeah. Yeah.
Goodness, God, we've done well, haven't we?
Decades. Yes.
Don't feel like amazing. You were the then Baroness
Bentinck, living a charmed life between homes in England,
Switzerland, Majorca, not to mention a magnificent yacht
which you sailed around the world and.
So you're a year we kids. Tiny children.
Yeah, I had three under three and then I took we were the
youngest, was 10 months old when we went sailing.
And she learned. She learned to walk on board.
Oh, so. And she could, you know, she
could walk on board and she'd get to land and she'd just keel
over because she was used to have balance.
Yeah, amazing. But what was your What was your
yacht style? Bikinis, bikinis.
A lot of bikinis, sarongs, T-shirts.
At one stage I'd had a plane crash and Hello magazine wanted
to come out and I said that's fine, but we only if I can have
control over what you say because it has to be about the
safety of of what should have happened.
Basically at North Holders there should have been a sand pit at
the end. So if a plane is about to go
into the motorway, which mine did, it'll dip into the sand.
And they went fine and they bought out tiaras, ball gangs
and I just went now wearing sarong and AT shirt.
So Sarongs, T-shirts, Bikinis, yeah.
And that's Diaphanous Clapton's. No, they're just catching things
on a boat. And it's a sailing boat as well.
Yeah. So just fuck me up.
No, no. Especially with kids everywhere.
Although mind you know, there was there was one I still wear,
which is from Lottie Bunbury and Mystique and was her first kind
of collection. She would hand print them all.
Oh dear Lottie. Yeah, she's.
Fantastic prints, but I still I have two things from her I still
wear because I can wash and wash and wash them because they were
hand printed then and the quality was is probably as well.
I you know, I only need one capital in my life.
I mean, I only mentioned that chapter in your life because
you've had many different chapters, even you've even been
in the financial world. How did that impact on your
choice of what you wore? Oh, so I worked.
I worked in the city and they was there was a dress code and
it was for an American bank and. That must have been when this is
early 90s, early 90s. Yeah, so quite strict dress
codes, quite a strict dress code.
And I always wore kind of slacks and a shirt.
And there was a girl there in HR and she said you have to wear a
skirt. And I said I don't want to wear
a skirt because like I'm 6/1 and I prefer to wear a skirt with,
you know, my legs on show. And then I'm going to get a
different sort of attention from the boys in the office, of which
there were many. And she said you have to.
So, you know, I'd wear a skirt and I got and she'd she'd just
give me a really hard time. And I was like, I don't, you
know, the boys can wear this. So I'm comfortable wearing that.
But yeah, I mean, it was it was it was office wear.
I mean, such a different era. That just could not happen now,
could it? No, no.
And I kind of fought against it. I remember I was skiing and I
came back and I had a big bandage on my leg and I wore my
trousers, my herring bone trousers and she went, she came
straight up to me. I had bitter and twisted she
was. She came straight up to me and
she said I, you know, and I just said I've, I've hurt my knee.
I've got a big bunch on. I'm not wearing, I'm not
wearing. I had to battle her not to wear
a skirt. And did the skirt have to be a
particular length? You know, could you wear a maxi
skirt? Oh yeah, I could have.
But we maxi skirts didn't really exist in those days.
Those were, you know, from the 70s For the beach.
Yeah, exactly. So no, there wasn't.
There wasn't really that option. So they were just kind of pencil
skirts or quite short. And sometimes you used to go
your skirt, it's too short. I'm like.
I am 6 foot one. I know that it's not.
It's not. It's not the same length as
yours, love. But yeah, but I mean, it was.
I mean, I that was just one tiny example, but otherwise, no, it's
fine. Yeah, we both know that life of
the country, particularly on a farm around animals, can be
pretty mucky. How do you plan your on screen
looks for filming? There wouldn't be a lot of
planning now Amanda in any in any looks.
I'll tell you what I have I love.
I've got a pair of blue overalls that one of my daughter's barred
when she was painting stuff. So they've got a lot of paint on
and all I need is 1 pair because I don't wash them that often.
I leave them hanging up in a barn to dry off because they're
just going to get muddy again. And every now and again I'll
just get the power hose out and take everything off.
The dogs love when I wear them because there's just so many
smells. So I love wearing my overalls
and also they have the pockets here.
There was actually there was one time last, I think was it this
year or last year? It's all blending into one and
we were doing the pigs and I was literally trying to quite mucky
and I literally just said this is like fluffy pig shit with
cherries on top where the big turds hadn't fluffed up yet.
And I went to turn and my booth didn't turn and I just went
straight back and I sat and I just looked up at Jeremy and
went this is please tell me this is not my life right now.
I'm and this deep in pictures but I did have my overalls on.
But I could feel there's an overall there's a pocket.
I'm glad you find it so funny as well.
And there's a pocket that goes into your jeans and then there's
a pocket pocket and I could just feel where you can kind of get
into your inner clothes. I could just feel it just
seeping in and see I was just and I just when I was frozen
going no, no, no. I'm going to wake up any minute.
This has this isn't happening but my ovals.
Thank God I was wearing ovals that day, but if it's I just
wear jeans. Jeans T-shirt Was Jeremy to you
that day? Did he get his?
He did try not to laugh. No, there was a cat full camera
cue. And that was just rolling.
They all were just on me. And they all there was silence
because I was so shocked. And then what if we don't want
to laugh because this could go horribly wrong and he wouldn't
help me out because he knew what would happen.
You know how to yank him in. And I had to kind of just put my
hands in and and I'd literally just said, you know, this is
like fluff. It's oh, anyway, so on a wet
day, overalls are amazing. And I love an overall.
And then otherwise, yeah, jeans. Good boots.
I was going to say Wellies. What brand wellies I have
Leshimo, which I've had, one of them is really badly eaten by
the dogs. Actually they've eaten the right
hand boot or shoe and everything.
Once I've got Leshimo, which are really expensive, but I'll have
them for the rest of my life. So per wear that the cheapest
pear valleys I've ever had. I.
Love pounds per wear? Yes.
And they keep your feet warm. Really warm.
Yeah. Yeah.
And then I have my Duck Martins as well.
Again, I've got 1 1/2 pairs of Duffel Martins because half has
been eaten. But I can't throw them away.
They still work. And actually, there's something
I I, you know, like you, I've had dogs all my life, and
there's something quite charming about something that's slightly
chewed. Yeah, I mean when the inside of
my Porsche got. Decimated by a puppy, I wasn't
quite so charmed by it. Did you keep the inside from
MEMS? Yeah, quite tricky to change it
actually a bit more expensive than A1 lesser moon.
Exactly, exactly. But what tips do you have for
keeping warm? Because it must be freezing when
you're lambing in the middle of the night.
And hats, gloves, everything is hats and gloves.
So I mean, I layer. I layer a lot I don't like.
I don't like being too hot, so I always have layers on and my
jacket most of the time is around my waist and then if the
wind whips up. But I have these incredible
which I sell in the shop as well, actually little.
Plug. Little plug Oh my God, they're
the most beautiful athol green and bright red.
Colours, Actually, I haven't started selling them yet because
they keep on making them and I keep on buying them for myself,
for gifts to other people. So they will be in the shop when
I stop buying them. And then I got these great, you
know, fluffy hats. So.
Does Jeremy have a comment on your style?
Yes, yes, he does. I've got a great pair of Diesel
jeans, and they're just, they're quite square.
And, you know, most of them are kind of long and skinny, but
these are just incredibly comfortable and.
But they're short for me. Yeah.
And I don't wear them with, you know, boots and stuff.
And he doesn't like those. He says you look stupid wearing
them. And I'm like fine.
The the thing that I always find quite amusing about men is
boyfriend jeans. Yeah, they hate them.
And yet they're called boyfriends.
What? I think it's when you stayed the
nice at someone's house. Is that OK?
Yes. Do you like?
Wearing Hughes clothes? No, no, actually, I did nick a
brilliant dinner shirt from him the other day.
I said, darling, this is looking really like along in the tooth,
you know? Should we?
Is it time for it to go? Yeah.
And he said, yeah, I think you're right.
And then he's wearing it the next day.
He said, I won't trust you as much the next time you ask him
something that it's useful life. Do you have a comment on his
style? Not really.
I find it quite endearing. You know, he's got, you know,
his little sometimes he wears these jumpers and they're just
not really that long enough. I mean, I I have started buying
him. When I first met him for
Christmas and birthday, I used to go to Laura Piano, Laura
piano even Even even. Yeah, Laura piano, Laura piano.
Lucky boy. Well, I go to Bicester and
there's a really nice manager there and he has a cupboard for
me and he'll keep stuff for Jeremy and he'll give me a text.
Going, I've got to introduce me to said manager.
He's fine. Well, Jeremy has a certain size
that he has to have, so he wouldn't be the easiest person
to buy for sometimes. So he will say I've got a
collection for you to come in and sometimes I just don't like
the colors or anything else. But some he does, yeah.
No, I find it really enduring where he wears this little kind
of stuff and he no, he's not that.
He's not that fashion conscious. He just wears the Jean Trouser
hates. If there is, he calls it a
dressing up. So if we go to, we were at a
party a couple of weekends ago, There's three nights of dress
codes and he was so angry to fly there and he was chucking
everything around, just dressing him and going.
I can't believe it's a dressing up party.
I hate dressing up parties, fancy dress parties.
To say they're not my favorite. How do you do you like I find it
really Well, no, it wasn't fancy dress.
It was just a black top. Yeah, there was a dress code.
It was really. You know, it wasn't.
I find it really easy because OK, I don't have to think that
many options. But he got so annoyed at having
as he causes to wear fancy dress clothes.
He forgot his underwear. He forgot his swimming shorts
were going somewhere quite hot. Like he only packed what we
needed. Forgot his washing bag.
He was so furious. And he had his dinner jacket,
But he had his dinner jacket. He had his lovely suits, Linen
suits, But yeah, no, I kind of Yeah.
You think it looks cute? There's something quite
enviable. I always think of men's
wardrobes that, you know, the dinner jacket, the suit, the,
you know, the great Navy blazer, yes.
And they put it on and it fits. And it's a lovely uniform, yes.
And it actually transforms them if it's well cut.
Totally, absolutely no. There's nothing like a bit of
men's tailoring, I have to say. Do you think you dress for
yourself? For Jeremy, for your audience, I
think likes every now and again. I make an effort just because I
could wear the same thing every day.
So yeah, sometimes I mean, I like a lot of scarves.
I always have to have a scarf just because I want to protect
my kind of thyroid and stuff. But I think I dress for.
Protect your thyroid. Oh, because I have.
I take thyroid tablets every morning and so I'm always
slightly aware of it. And does that, you know, does it
get like cold or no. But if I go, and I'm sorry to be
nauseous here, if I go cold water swimming in the winter
time, I know it's not nauseating, but it's the one
thing that hurts is my thyroid, because it's so sometimes it's
so cold. If it's eight degrees or below,
it's. You do that every day of the
winter? No, no, I do it sometimes.
I drive to cornbury this fabulous lake, and there's a
group of us that go swimming and I drive there and I think I'm
going to die. I'll never come home.
I'm gonna have a heart attack and I come back on the top of
the world. Yeah, I did an ice bath for the
first time a few weeks ago and I thought they're more difficult,
though it was. It was hard.
Well, you're sitting and it's not amusing.
Whereas at least if you jump into a lake, it's beautiful.
I couldn't do that. Around you.
I actually had to take my hands out because they were hurting so
much. Yeah, but you do feel good after
it. Oh, amazing.
But I really energized you. Jump into a lake, you have to at
least turn around and jump out. Whereas an ice bath, you're just
sitting there. Oh yeah.
What do you reach for when you need to feel empowered?
My machete. What do I reach for?
I'm not. I don't know if I'm.
Are you a mood dresser? OK, clothing wise, what do I
reach for when I need to feel empowered?
I think if I have a handbag. Oh yeah, I've got a really
pretty handbag. Actually, I got recently, and
it's a vintage one. And it's Emperor Yellow with
hand embroidery on it and that if I kind of want to, I'll grab
that. It's kind of like a safety
blanket, but clothing wise, empowered.
I got some nice jackets. Yeah, but I don't normally try
to. I normally try and do that with,
you know, the snake eyes. Do you think you've evolved as a
personality in terms of that, like if you scroll back to time?
30 years ago, 25 years ago, would you have reached for
clothing in a different way to empower you to dress the part?
Yeah, definitely. When I was younger, obviously
when I was younger growing up, yeah, I knew if I wanted to kind
of look hot for something, I knew I could just put on a
certain dress and I could kind of knock, knock it out of the
ballpark and. But the best nights I've had are
getting to a black tie event. My luggage is lost and literally
wearing jeans and AT shirt and that's the best nice I've had.
But do you think also, as your fame has grown, you've become
less concerned about powerful dressing?
I don't know. I mean, you probably know better
than I do. Did I ever dress powerfully?
Well, I think at times, yes. I remember a couple of times I
remember. You in closters in Switzerland?
Oh God, I had some coats. Oh my God, yeah, beautiful
embroidered sheepskin coat. I mean, I do remember it.
And you had a fur hat and you were walking through the village
with your little kids in your hands.
And I mean, you were like a scene out of the movie, Yeah.
No. And then I had Amanda Wakeley,
long Rabbitskin White coat, which was one of your samples.
And I went to your sample sale coats.
Yeah, definitely I can. I can rock it with coats and
then you can kind of take them off and then you can talk to
people. But I do remember.
And that house, I still have the coat that was stolen out of my
car. But yeah, no, that.
But I wouldn't necessarily do that on purpose because I didn't
buy the. It was the coat was a gift.
And I was like, wow, I wouldn't normally.
I mean, it's brilliant. It's like it's the most
beautiful coat but I wouldn't spend that much on my wardrobe.
Yeah I'm more I first spend money on travelling going up and
I mean I I'd get stuff in the sales.
I I mean I still have all your dresses so I'll buy something
once and I I think the last time I wanted wore one of your
dresses I got 30 years ago was last year still wearing them.
My kids wear them. Great story.
I was going to say. You've got two gorgeous
daughters. Do they raid your wardrobe?
Yeah. So when I used to like, I would
buy, even before I had children, I'd buy quite expensive things,
say a Versace, you know, dress. And I go, it's not really for
me. It's for when I have children,
not even knowing if I was ever going to have children.
And and I tried to, when they were like 15, I was like, you
should wear this. And they were like grunge.
They were like, no. And now they're like, mum, can
we get that? Can we wear that dress?
I'm like, don't touch it. No, it's too precious.
But they are. Yeah, they do.
They they're very grateful for my wardrobe.
I love that you share your your wardrobe with your daughters
because I think it's a lovely way of reliving and and giving
you life. Yeah, new.
New stories. Yeah, I know I do.
The one thing is they have to take photographs.
If they wear it out, which they always do, to to send me.
To send you oh. That's gorgeous.
You should do. You should do that here and now.
Yes, I know, yes. Would you say age is a
consideration of how you dress? Yes and no.
How would I? I mean, I I wouldn't feel
comfortable. I still wear shorts, for
example, in summertime and I still wear the same shorts.
There's just cut off jeans that I've had for 20 years.
I still Chuck that on with the T-shirt, but age wise, I mean
being those were probably, you know, on turn then I think it's
for, well, it's for my shape as well.
There's certain clothes that just fit my shape and I've got
an incredibly long back. So if I buy a jacket, it either
has to be. I have quite a few couture
jackets that I bought once and I, you know, that's it for the
rest of my life because they're long enough in the waist.
So I think it's more a shape thing.
Yeah, as we evolve through the years.
Your long hair? Yes, I haven't.
I'm going to take it down, but I haven't brushed it.
Well, it's gorgeous, I know, but I'm.
I forgot to brush it this evening.
I just. Forgot to brush it literally.
But out of interest, do you do you plan to keep it long?
I've noticed the Fringe has crept in.
Oh, that was a bit of an accident.
What an accident with scissors. No, it was an accident with a
lighter. And I can't tell you what I was
doing with the lighter, but it since quite a big chunk of my
hair so I had this she. Reaches for her fringe Mia
Farrow thing coming down for about two.
It was really, really short. It was.
That's why then I had to cut fringe in.
And it's kind of it's grown down since, but I quite liked it.
Quite short. But it's very, I mean, I do it
myself. It's a very bathroom mirror.
Totally sober when the Little Fringe incident happened.
I can't remember. I do remember it growing down
there, but I quite like it to kind of, you know, it's not
going to change now. Now it's grown a little bit
longer. Do you prefer it longer?
I do. OK, yes.
Yeah, no, I think it was. I mean it was right up here so
and I had to cut it in because that was, I look like Poe from
that cartoon because it was like that.
Anyway. So that's how my the story of my
fringe. How would you describe your
style in three words, or if it's easier?
How would you want someone else to describe your style in three
words, clean, casual and simple? Is that the same as casual
flowing so that it kind of, you know, it flows, it's not sharp
and angled, it's just kind of, I don't know how would you
describe yours? Oh, turning the yeah, I would
say yes, I would say clean. 03 words?
It's hard, isn't it? Right back at your girlfriend.
Yeah, right back at me. Hint of I I was like a hint of
rock chick. A hint, but not full on Kate
Moss because I so am not her in my dreams.
And then I love a little bit of glam.
Yeah, but. But glam is.
Always going to be. Kicked back down.
Yeah. No you were.
Yes I know. Well, you're silk in Kashmir was
just it's still fantastic. Well, watch this space.
Oh good. You obviously have life outside
the farm. Yes?
Have you ever used a stylist? What?
Going to a party or something? Yes, No.
I just used to call you and say do you have any dresses I can
wear or I would go into my wardrobe?
And no, because I think the difficulty would be if they say
this was this would be fantastic and then it wasn't.
And also so for example, I had, I mean I've worn it so many
Times Now and as Dean Eliya, it's like a Pearl little mini
dress. It's just so beautiful.
And if my figure is looking OK that day, and it does depend
from like day-to-day, sometimes you think, great, I can wear it.
Somebody's think just don't wear that.
If you stuff in the mirror and go, no, Piglet, don't.
And so I kind of have safe words in my ward that I'm happy to
revisit a stylist. No.
What's scary? No.
Pushes you out of the comfort zone?
Definitely. Do you think you've ever had a
real howler have a worst fashion moment?
Oh God, I'm just trying to pick out of all the howlers I've had.
Oh, I can't believe that. Yeah.
I remember actually going to this premiere of Fierce
Creatures and I had that beautiful dress on and we'd just
come in. We just landed that day from
Sailor across the Atlantic. I think that's.
That's quite a line because we just landed that we just landed
and I was coming in from it. We just said we weren't.
I didn't mean to sail across the Atlantic, but the wind was going
in the wrong direction. So we headed to Brazil instead
of heading to Europe. Don't even.
Another. It is a whole story.
Another story, another story. And I had I had my legs were
incredibly hairy before laser and I would never ever shave my
legs. I had to wax them because if I
shave them I would. I would I'd cuss small children
up into pieces if I brushed against them, so I had to.
So I got a pair of tights and they were kind of like white
with black shoes and it was just not great.
There was an era of those shiny white tights, though.
They were brutal, even the best legs in the world.
Let's talk about travel. Are you?
Do you pay particular attention to your airport?
Look to your travel. Oh, these are my airport rises.
Actually, I have to admit, you did text me the other day from a
plane. From a plane, Yeah.
I only went because they don't set anything off, so these and I
wear them and then I have a kind of top and a silk, silk top and
a similar colour which I Chuck on and then I just layer up with
jackets or depending where I'm going.
So that is my absolutely go to every time.
Are you a good Packer or a bad Packer?
I only ever go hand luggage when I first you.
Don't only ever. When I first went away with
Jeremy and he was coming from a Grand Tour show and I had to
take three flights, we were going to Mozambique and I said
going hand luggage. He's well, we have a week here.
And I went, yeah, but I got a couple of bikinis, sarongs,
T-shirts, one pair of flip flops.
It's on a beach so OK, I'll go hand luggage too.
And he had a little flowery bag that he got in the hotel gift
shop and we both like. I know I love going hand luggage
and I'd love as well not having too much choice.
Yeah, I agree. Actually, those times that I
just sort of take a bit of everything, Yeah, it's then.
Then you've got all of those dilemmas when you get there.
What am I going actually to? Yes, something worth the choice.
Friday, Saturday, Sunday sorted. Yeah, yeah.
Wardrobe secrets. Which brand would you say is
your guilty secret? And why?
Oh oh, guilty secrets. As in because it's quite
expensive. Yeah.
Or maybe it's changes. Like for a while I was mad about
Celine, and then for a mad while I was mad.
I mean anything that Phoebe Filo did for Chloe.
Brilliant. I was mad for, so I was
especially, she says her cream shirts.
So I would that would be my guilty secret.
And I have a lot of cream shirts are basically my thing.
And you still have them, no doubt.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Would you say you have a style
icon, A style icon? I think maybe that kind of a
little bit hippie would be. There was who was that woman who
I wanted to be? She's got that Grace Coddington.
I just used to look at her and thought she was just fabulous,
you know, with her long flowing coats.
And you know, there's certain, So Zhang TOI, I don't know if
you know Zhang TOI, I love his from about, I would say 10 years
ago, his collection with his double collars, very fishes.
And I went to his. I was in New York and I went to
his studio and he offered me some of the clothes from the
catwalk. And I'm like, who else can wear
these? Because, you know, the green
coat that I wear and, you know it goes at the train is about 7
foot long and I can actually wear it.
So that was a guilty secret. Actually, that was a really
guilty secret. About 10 years ago I just
splurged on his stuff, but since then his collection hasn't
suited me as much. But do you still wear that coat?
Oh yeah, Yeah, Yes. On my profile pics.
Yeah. Of course it is.
Yes, that green. Exactly that.
Beautiful emerald. Yes, gorgeous.
What would you say is your approach to sustainable fashion?
I don't buy much, basically about oh, I'd say.
Well, after that splurge of Sang toy, I decided I had enough
clothes and I wasn't going to shop for a year as an.
Interesting one to do, isn't it? Then I decided I was going to do
it for another year because I thought actually I haven't worn
some of the stuff. I haven't kind of gone back and
I don't have that many clothes, but I'm like, I'm still not
going to buy. So I did two years and since
then I haven't really bought like I buy so rarely.
So sustainability is. And I have bought stuff before
from I remember buying a jumper from Topshop and thought it was
great and I washed it and I was like, I'm never buying something
from there again because I can never re wear it.
Yeah, but it is lovely that delving back into your wardrobe
and the memories and actually just the fact that you bought
something 15 years ago, 20 years ago, Yeah, we still love it,
yeah, And still can wear. It I yeah.
For me, that's the that's actually the strongest approach
to sustainability at the moment. I think it's all because fashion
changes so rapidly. It's from season to season as
opposed to from decade to decade.
So we can wear you can basically anything goes.
Do you ever buy vintage? And where?
Where do you buy? Where do you go?
Do you have a little local favorite haunt or my favorite
vintage thing was when I lived in the New Forest.
So Lymington, there was a woman that came in and she just had
her her sister's belongings to this to this vintage shop or it
wasn't. It was it was a charity shop and
she had this little white mink stove and I went, Oh my God,
that's absolutely beautiful and with beautiful silk lining.
And I said to the girl, how much is that?
And she went 05 and I was like 500.
That's bit steep. I said 5 and she went OK, £4.00
and no, no, no, I can give you 5 And that was one of those
beautiful moments where you just think I've and I still wear it
all the time. So yeah, I mean I love a bit of
vintage. I love, I've loved Portobello's,
amazing, all the country vintage shops.
Yeah, yeah. What is the oldest piece in your
wardrobe? I have I have a T-shirt I still
wear that I got the first time I went to New York in 92 and it
has it's the it's the New York City line with the twin towers
and everything. And I I know and I got an extra
large. I wear it occasionally.
I go for a jog and I wear it jogging and it's got holes
everywhere, but I don't want to not wear it.
So that's pretty old. And then yeah, I mean, I'm, I
have, I don't fit into it anymore.
The first proper thing I bought when I was modeling.
Yeah, I've got, I am. Half my stuff is ancient.
I've got remember Voyage. Yes, yeah, I've got all my
Voyage pieces and that little purple T-shirt I have, which
cost basically a month's rent and tiny little T-shirt with a
little bit of velvet. I was gonna say I bet it had
velvet trim. It had a velvet trim there and I
still wear that. And that was from early 90s.
Yeah, it was a brilliant store, wasn't it?
What about you? What's your oldest?
Oh, probably a cashmere sweatshirt that I made for my
father when I first started and that just has such sentimental
value. Do you have a piece in your
wardrobe that you are particularly sentimentally
attached to That's. Well, that T-shirt will be one
of them because as well as has the old new year, old skyline.
Yeah, as it was. So that they yeah, that's that's
a poignant piece of me. OK, quick fire questions.
Yes. So what advice would you give to
your 20 year old self? Breathe and live and just get.
Just keep going. Basically, never stop moving.
Which fashion trend would you like to see make a comeback?
Hippie. What fashion or beauty trend
would you consign to Room 101 scar mod?
Do you remember Scar fashion? No, with a long wrinkle.
Oh, yes, yes, yes. Yeah.
I wasn't creating that.
Yeah. OK, your last impulse Buy two
dogs. You can't wear them, I hope.
My last impulse buy? Oh, oh, it was.
It was a pair of vintage Chanel boots and someone said, who's
size 41? I am.
And they went, Oh my God, you know, these are 300, they should
be 3000. And I bought them and I
shouldn't have. Because you've never worn them.
I gave them someone as their 50th.
I gave the Charlotte Tilbury, actually for her 50th.
I bet she loved they were third hand boots because I bought them
second hand. I know.
I mean, where? She's not going to get anything
third hand, is she? No.
No, Probably gifted couture. Your views on tattoos wouldn't
mind one, but I'm Alabaster. And your children having them?
Oh, my daughter, my youngest daughter.
I was on Zoom with her and she, my elder daughter, said.
Have you seen her tattoo? Mum and I went show me and she
had really, really long hair so I haven't seen it And it was a
bee and I was like Alice, a bee. Like where's the Shamrock on
your face? You call that a tattoo?
And I said come back and you've got a Shamrock on your face
thinking have I got away with this?
But they she has a little tattoo and my older daughter just got a
tissue and my son has a tattoo when he lost a bet and he's got
CFC on his ass, but I haven't seen it on his bottom on his
buttocks. You don't.
Or an English rose or something, Yes.
Blow dry or manicure? Manicure.
I've seen great manicure on the farm.
I love it. You know, wonderful colored
nails while you're. Oh yes, occasionally.
And then it's shellac. And then I pick it all off.
Like at the moment. I know it's bad.
I know you're always the most amazing person doing your nails.
You always, you know, there's certain people that can just do
their nails without getting any rivets.
That's you. I try.
Yeah, you're so good at during lockdown, actually.
High end or High Street high end.
Minimalism or maximalism? Minimalism.
Crocs. Cute or puke.
Thank you. Hunters or Leshimo Leshimo.
Sports Lux or rock'n'roll? Rock'n'roll.
Glam or grunge? Glam or grunge.
I'm going to have to go glam, I think.
I think so. Too skinny or boyfriends skinny?
Trendo style style. Pattern or plain plain cashmere
or cotton? That's the really weather
dependent question there, isn't it?
Very sensible answer. Hoarder or editor?
Hoarder. Shapewear or sexy lingerie?
Sexy lingerie title. Stockings, stockings, bikini or
one piece? Oh, I think I'm my age.
I'm more of a one piece girl, but I gotta.
Oh, I'd buy a lot of bikini still.
Toby or Tracy? What's Tracy?
Phillip. Tracy.
Oh, you're you're compatriot. Oh, of course then, Phillip.
Yes. And finally, one last question.
At the end of the day, what do you or don't you wear in bed?
It depends on the weather as well or who's in the house.
If there's someone else in the house, like if the children in
the house, I'll wear something to protect them in case someone
breaks in, I want to be ready. And then if it's if it's just me
and and my partner, it's nothing.
Lisa, what a wonderful romp through your style journey.
So that was really good. Fun, great fun.
And finally, finally one last question.
If you had a style question to ask me, what would it be?
What do you think is the staple in the future?
I think Denim will always be with us.
Good answer. I really do.
I don't think there's any replacement.
Yeah, it's it's just fantastic. It's functional.
It's cool. Yeah, it's great to wear.
It's got huge longevity. We've got to work out the.
Circularity of it, yeah, but it's timeless.
Chapeau chapeau chapeau to that one.
Thank you. You're so much.
Thank you.