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Today I'm going on a sartorial 

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journey with actor, writer, 
photographer and artist Lisa 

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Hogan, owner and Co founder of 
the now infamous diddly squat 

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farm shop on Clarkson's farm. 
Lisa is not only Jeremy 

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Clarkson's girlfriend, she is 
his hilarious accomplice and 

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harshest critic with her fast 
wit and dry sense of humour. 

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Her Instagram handle is the tall
Irish as she describes herself 

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an artist. 
Tall and Irish. 

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Hello and welcome Lisa. 
So lovely to see you. 

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I know you've been incredibly 
busy with filming. 

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Is this the last chapter? 
Well, we were meant to. 

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We started filming a year ago, 
having had two weeks off between

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season 2 and season 3. 
And we weren't meant to finish. 

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So it goes from July until July,
but the storyline doesn't make 

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sense if we finish in July. 
So we're going till October. 

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So it is busy and it's so now. 
It's been exactly 2 years, full 

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time filming and it's we're all 
getting a bit tired, I have to 

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say. 
Is this the last one? 

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The last chapter? 
Tell you, couldn't tell you. 

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Couldn't tell you. 
I mean, it has been. 

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We're just thrilled with this 
success. 

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Farming is so heartbreaking and 
it is anyone that has land. 

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Has the same issues. 
They have the same issues of 

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weather, bureaucracy, prices. 
So we have so many foreigners 

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that came, come up to the shop 
and just go. 

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We love your show. 
We have exactly the same issues.

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I have to say. 
What you guys have done for 

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farming and the farming 
community is absolutely awesome.

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I mean, you couldn't make up an 
advertising campaign? 

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Yeah, it's been really 
satisfying just to reveal the 

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heartbreak. 
Of what people go through on a 

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daily basis. 
I, I, whenever anyone sort of 

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been chatting about Clarkson's 
farm and I I just always 

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remember that that final line of
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where Jeremy says, you know, if 
if a farmer's grumbling in the 

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pub, just give him a hug. 
And by the pint I just thought. 

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So true. 
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It's brutal. 
It is. 

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I mean. 
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when we used to live in London 
and go up to the farm and Jeremy

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would go, Oh my God, the crops 
are amazing, I would panic 

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going, I don't think they have 
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So and that's from being in 
Ireland growing up where it's 

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really pretty bleak to farm 
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And for example this year 
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I talked about my potatoes the 
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So many Irish farmers riding 
back and we have blight, we 

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can't. 
It's, yeah, that's just any 

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normal year. 
But this is their livelihood. 

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You know, we have an Amazon film
crew supporting us, but this is 

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their livelihood on a day-to-day
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It's brutal, yeah, because it's 
it's all about the elements. 

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You can be a brilliant farmer, 
but yes, yeah, if the elements 

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are against you. 
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And you know, science really 
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And technology will make it 
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it's not going to. 
Do everything. 

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So we still need to support your
local farmers and all their 

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produce? 
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I'm talking local. 
How are the locals behaving? 

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Very well. 
We have just had or we had have 

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you been silent that was. 
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No, no, sadly not. 
I probably should be there. 

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There was only a couple of 
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person in particular who we 
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had decided to campaign against.
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with say for example the at the 
lovely football club which is 

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for the. 
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But he didn't he didn't want 
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So. 
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football club, it's a goat you 
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anyway, so it's fine. 
And we had an inspector that 

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gave an incredibly long report 
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So the restaurant is closed, 
which is a shame because it was 

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just the most beautiful spot. 
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summer. 
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washout. 
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outside and it's so tiny silver 
lining, silver lining, but we 

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are allowed to keep. 
We have this food fan at the 

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back. 
We've got two unbelievable 

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chefs, Annie and Scott, and they
take all of our cows, they take 

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all of our pigs, they take, they
take everything and all of our 

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oil. 
They use all our ingredients and

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then they make the most 
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So we're allowed to keep that, 
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We have a little bar at the back
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I'm not really allowed to sell 
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miles away. 
And Jeremy will catch me 

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sneaking stuff in, Not the 
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from Portugal, but in my head. 
So for example, some of the 

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local farmers I make a loss on. 
I sell their products at what, 

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the of the supermarket price, 
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And I do my own little Robin 
Hood and I'll sell a couple of 

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caps on the side and that 
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But I'm not really allowed to do
that anymore and I don't want to

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push. 
The price up to the customer and

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I don't want to get a wholesale 
price from them, I want them to 

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get the tires one possible. 
So I'm just trying to find ways 

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of boosting my income so I can 
support them. 

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Oh, how wonderful. 
I mean, you've been on quite the

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retail journey, haven't you, 
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And I noticed you're venturing 
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T-shirts, hats, caps. 
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Online they are, they're cute, 
they're really good quality and 

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I mean people have such love for
the show and you know, my bags 

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and stuff. 
I just thought I'll, I'll give 

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them something to take away and 
we have the online shop and that

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does quite well, especially for 
Americans and stuff. 

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In fact, there was an American 
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We were kind of a long group of 
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And someone sitting next to them
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Squat Farm shop because he had 
the cap on and he said this is a

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real pinch pinch moment. 
He said yes, we've done 

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Buckingham Palace, we've done 
Diddy's Squat Farm Shop and now 

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we're doing Wimbledon and I was 
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That literally makes me blush. 
But which? 

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Makes me so proud that, you 
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you know, the blight of farmers 
and you know we're sandwiched 

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between. 2 Great institutions 
chapeau to you. 

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That's amazing. 
But do you have, Do I? 

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I love the the logo of the is 
the Lamborghini crafter. 

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Is it on fire or it's screeching
with with? 

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So originally it was. 
I sent my sister doing lockdown.

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The first lockdown, a little 
picture of the Lamborghini, and 

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she's a graphic design artist. 
She does works for restaurants 

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and hotels, and she wasn't 
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So she did the cute little one 
with the trailer. 

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So for example, if I do 
strawberry jam, I put a little 

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strawberries coming out of the 
trailer and all that. 

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And then we were driving up to 
London and a Lamborghini shot 

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past us. 
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came out and I rang her, I was 
like, Evna, I want a flame. 

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And she's like, what do you mean
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So that's where the flame came 
from. 

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Yeah, I love it. 
And kept it in the family too. 

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Yeah, brilliant. 
Brilliant. 

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But do you have aspirations for 
a full blown country? 

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Where collection? 
Not really, no. 

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No. 
Only because IT business, the 

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fashion business. 
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And also, I I mean, I don't wear
smart little jiles and I don't 

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wear all this. 
All the country stuff that I 

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have is either really old from 
when I bought my first, you 

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know, country jacket and I still
have it, or I grab Jeremy's, but

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I'm not that interested in farm 
fashion per SE phrase. 

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Fun fashion, if that's an actual
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I mean, I like it as it's 
practical, but once you get, 

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like, if you're working on a 
farm, there's only so many. 

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It's much it's basically it's 
the weather. 

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Yeah. 
You know, So it's not for me, 

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it's not fashion, it's just 
outerwear. 

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Yeah. 
So, technical kit, yeah. 

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What are you most excited about 
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I have a sense I did a perfume 
course last year. 

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Oh, wow. 
Yeah, So I'm now a perfumer and 

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I have a sense that I've got two
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And they won't smell like 
silage, but they might smell 

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like silage, silage. 
So that is quite exciting and 

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I'm quite close now as well. 
It's taken a lot longer to get 

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to where I am now just because I
haven't had the the time. 

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It's a really complicated 
process though, isn't it? 

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Are you using any ingredients? 
Not the sewage. 

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Anything that I wanted to use 
say that was legal last year 

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isn't legal this year. 
So yeah, so for example, all the

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old scents that we would have 
used and we think, why can't we 

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find them anymore because. 
Someone would have got a rash or

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it's light sensitive or 
carcinogenic if you use too much

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of say oak Moss is a perfect 
example. 

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The amount of oak Moss you can 
use in a sense now is absolutely

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minutes. 
It's .01% so and it's when you 

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do it you have to you have to 
add everything up. 

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It's basically it's quite the 
course wasn't really, you know, 

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I wasn't sitting there with 
tinctures and making, it was all

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spreadsheets and legal. 
Yeah, a lot of legal stuff a lot

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of transport. 
So that's it's it's quite that 

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process is I'm actually not 
going to do. 

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I'm going to ask someone else to
do it because I find it so mind 

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dumbly boring. 
But the actual sense, that's 

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what I do. 
So you're going to be the nose. 

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I am the nose. 
Yeah. 

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Oh, how exciting. 
So when will that launch? 

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Oh my God. 
Well, I'd like to think if I 

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could get it for Christmas but, 
and I need. 

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To get my skates on good names. 
Because I remember when I was 

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going to be evolving A 
fragrance, we had some 

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hysterical conversations about 
what the fragrance should be 

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called. 
I remember that with you. 

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Yeah, So I'm going to call one 
of them. 

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So there's one spell which I 
would Amanda, I said to Amanda, 

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you must call it this, because 
if you come out of a shower or a

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steamy bathroom or something and
you spray yourself on all the 

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scents open up. 
So I'm going to call it wet. 

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And you went, you can't call it 
perfume wet. 

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And I was like. 
Why not? 

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You're like, you can't And I'm 
like, well, I will, so it's are 

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you going to have a wet? 
I'm going to have a wet that you

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put on when you know you're in a
kind of if you're on a beach or 

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you've come out of a shower or a
bath and so steamy. 

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And then you put it on and it 
comes from when I've put on I 

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got in America, I got a lure 
when it first came out, the 

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original 1. 
Not the one now because it's 

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totally changed and I just got 
out of the shower, put it on, 

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got a taxi to somewhere. 
And this taxi, man went, mate, 

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you're not paying mate. 
You've just the smell in the 

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taxi. 
And when I put it on when I was 

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wet, it just literally went, Oh 
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So I'm going to do that. 
And the other one is called 

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drive drive. 
Obviously, of course. 

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Yeah. 
And that's more. 

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They're both ambidextrous. 
I love these ambidextrous 

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fragrances. 
There's something really cool 

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about and. 
You can't call it, Jeremy said. 

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You can't call it ambidextrous. 
And I'm like, we can't call it 

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unisex either. 
So that's like left and right. 

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Exactly. 
So it's a very kind of, it'll 

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be, yeah, it'll be Ave. 
Texas. 

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Wonderful, wonderful. 
So today we're here to talk 

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about style, right. 
How did you decide what you're 

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going to put on to come to this 
podcast? 

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Well, I have these treasures 
which I wore as a nod to you. 

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And in fact I have the same 
shirt in a kind of cherry red, 

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which is amazing, which I should
have worn. 

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But this I got last week. 
So I thought, I'll Chuck this 

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on, but I have in my bag, I have
a T-shirt to put on as soon as I

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leave, as soon as I leave here 
because I just, yeah, I'm 

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driving home later and I 
wouldn't wear something like 

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this driving home. 
So I'm very, I very rarely leave

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T-shirts, shirts now. 
I love the fact you've got on 

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some wakely silk pants. 
Yeah, from 20 something years 

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ago, I think. 
There were gifts from you when 

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you came to stay in 9495. 
We're talking about almost 30 

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years old. 
Wow. 

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And I washed them the whole 
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These are my travelling trousers
because they have. 

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Well, when you texted me the 
other day and you said you were 

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on a plane, yeah. 
And you you showed me just a 

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snippet of them and I was just 
trying to work out. 

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Which one? 
I wear them. 

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They're really comfy because 
there's no and also for airports

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and stuff. 
You know there's no zips, 

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they're just and they have an 
elasticated waistband, which is 

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always handy. 
You can wear these when you're 

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90. 
Do you? 

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I will be wearing them when I'm 
90. 

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I've been wearing them for the 
last 30 years and I wear them 

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all the time. 
Brilliant. 

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Oh, I love so. 
Longevity. 

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Yeah. 
Clothes. 

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Good quality. 
Fantastic. 

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Now, you grew up in Dublin and I
just wondered, what was your 

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earliest sartorial memory? 
When was the first time you 

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realised the impact on how 
clothes made you feel? 

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Was there a specific? 
There was actually, yeah, there 

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was. 
So there was a gang of us we 

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lived on in Ballsbridge and was 
a gang of young parents that 

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moved in at the same time. 
So I'd say there was about 20 

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kids around our area and all the
girls we used to remember 

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there's a Capri Pants stage and 
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And I got this pair of really 
long jeans. 

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I must have been about probably 
12 really long jeans and I was 

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getting quite tall and Sun in 
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So and because my hair was so 
mousy, I put sun in in and it 

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just went cornflower because I 
had no color basically. 

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And all my girlfriends with 
beautiful Raven hair all went 

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red. 
So I had this and I used to put 

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my hair was so straight. 
I'm looking like an Afghan hand 

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and I put 2 plots here and two 
plots here every night and then 

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I had this blonde frizz. 
My mom was a painter where she 

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was an academic, but she was 
painted a lot and she had this 

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smock which was like a stripy. 
Silk smock. 

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I remember putting that on with 
the long drain pipes and the 

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fuzzy white blonde hair and 
walking down and everyone just 

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going. 
And I was like a little dogless 

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growing up and everyone just 
going like that. 

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And that was the moment I 
thought, this is my style. 

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And I used to take quite a lot 
of my My dad had a beautiful the

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shirt, he got married and was 
this heavy, heavy silk, and he 

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used to nick that a lot. 
That's amazing because that's 

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quite young to work out your 
style. 

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Yeah, well I didn't know I was 
working it out. 

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I just thought, OK, this will 
do. 

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But yeah, but then I relate to 
it and just say, and this is 

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this is it. 
This feels so good. 

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Fantastic. 
Yeah. 

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God, there's a lot of 50 year 
olds out there that are still 

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trying to work it. 
Out pretty much wear the same 

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thing. 
Yeah. 

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That's where I feel kind of 
jeans. 

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And I mean, if I dress up and go
out, I just feel a little bit I 

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because I'm so tall. 
You know, all eyes. 

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And then I have to. 
I like sneaking in the 

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background. 
I'm kind of having conversations

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with people. 
Whereas if you, you know, if I 

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have heels on and I'm 6 foot 
four in a dress and my figure is

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OK that day, I just feel like a 
bit of a freak. 

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I was going to say do being. 
You're 6 foot two, aren't you? 

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Six, one and a half, six one and
a half, 513, 1/2 as I like to 

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say 513. 
So Irish, but do you you happily

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wear heels or are you very used?
No, I used to wear. 

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I mean, if I weren't out, yeah, 
definitely. 

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Because, you know, it just makes
you walk in a fantastic way, 

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makes your arse stick out and 
you know, just the whole thing. 

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I love it. 
But if I'm going to say go to 

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stay with someone and they're 
not tall, I will never bring 

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heels. 
It's just out of politeness, I 

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will not wear heels. 
That's thoughtful. 

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Yeah, How tall is Jeremy? 
He was probably 6-5. 

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He's probably 6-4 now, but when 
we? 

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We were going out, we we had 
just started dating and he was 

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going to meet some incredibly 
good friends of mine and I must 

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have been wearing, you know, 
boots or something with a bit of

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a heel. 
And there is a lift with a 

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mirror. 
And he looked and he went, 

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you're taller than I am. 
And the next thing he runs back 

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into the apartment and I can 
just see his arse coming out of 

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the coverage and he gets these 
disgusting, really long Cuban 

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heels with, you know, pointed 
Cuban heels. 

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And then he puts them on, I'm 
like, you're not, you're not 

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wearing those. 
And he goes, I am because I'm 

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taller. 
And no, he he really, he likes 

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when I wear heels. 
Were you mortified? 

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Yeah, I had to go in and explain
immediately why he had this shoe

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choice. 
But I mean, I like, I love 

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wearing heels. 
I just don't often anymore. 

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You were famously a model first.
Do you think that had an impact 

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on your style at all? 
I mean, I. 

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Did a little bit of modeling so 
I was OK. 

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I like doing catwalk and I like 
doing ads. 

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I did not like have my 
photograph taken. 

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So you know I was just I wasn't 
a photogenic and but I was I 

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preferred to being a character. 
So I modeled. 

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I would say I did modeling 
lights which but the ads I did 

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really well and especially 
because a bit of acting. 

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Yeah, I was. 
You could show your character 

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and at the time there's a lot of
American ads happening in. 

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Dublin because it was a strike 
on so I cleaned up and then went

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travelling and and yes then you 
acted. 

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Then I did, yeah, yeah. 
And did you find that putting on

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a costume helped you into 
character? 

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I mean, in Fierce Creatures, I 
had to wear a pair of Vivienne 

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West's with shoes that were like
this. 

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Ronnie Corbett and I were 
partners in the. 

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In the movie. 
So he was five one and I was 6/1

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and they still gave me a 
massive, massive pair of 

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Vivienne Westwood shoes and 
that. 

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Yeah, kind of. 
I prefer doing what I do now 

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though, which isn't. 
I just respond to Jeremy 

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basically. 
Interesting. 

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I mean we first met 20 something
years ago when you were, we were

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in different chapters of our 
lives. 

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You it was. 
More I think we're talking 30. 

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I'm well. 
Yeah, I think we're 30. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah. 

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Goodness, God, we've done well, 
haven't we? 

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Decades. 
Yes. 

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Don't feel like amazing. 
You were the then Baroness 

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Bentinck, living a charmed life 
between homes in England, 

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Switzerland, Majorca, not to 
mention a magnificent yacht 

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which you sailed around the 
world and. 

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So you're a year we kids. 
Tiny children. 

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Yeah, I had three under three 
and then I took we were the 

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youngest, was 10 months old when
we went sailing. 

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And she learned. 
She learned to walk on board. 

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Oh, so. 
And she could, you know, she 

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could walk on board and she'd 
get to land and she'd just keel 

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over because she was used to 
have balance. 

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Yeah, amazing. 
But what was your What was your 

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yacht style? 
Bikinis, bikinis. 

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A lot of bikinis, sarongs, 
T-shirts. 

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At one stage I'd had a plane 
crash and Hello magazine wanted 

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to come out and I said that's 
fine, but we only if I can have 

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control over what you say 
because it has to be about the 

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safety of of what should have 
happened. 

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Basically at North Holders there
should have been a sand pit at 

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the end. 
So if a plane is about to go 

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into the motorway, which mine 
did, it'll dip into the sand. 

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And they went fine and they 
bought out tiaras, ball gangs 

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and I just went now wearing 
sarong and AT shirt. 

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So Sarongs, T-shirts, Bikinis, 
yeah. 

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And that's Diaphanous Clapton's.
No, they're just catching things

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on a boat. 
And it's a sailing boat as well.

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Yeah. 
So just fuck me up. 

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No, no. 
Especially with kids everywhere.

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Although mind you know, there 
was there was one I still wear, 

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which is from Lottie Bunbury and
Mystique and was her first kind 

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of collection. 
She would hand print them all. 

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Oh dear Lottie. 
Yeah, she's. 

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Fantastic prints, but I still I 
have two things from her I still

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wear because I can wash and wash
and wash them because they were 

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hand printed then and the 
quality was is probably as well.

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I you know, I only need one 
capital in my life. 

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I mean, I only mentioned that 
chapter in your life because 

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you've had many different 
chapters, even you've even been 

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in the financial world. 
How did that impact on your 

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choice of what you wore? 
Oh, so I worked. 

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I worked in the city and they 
was there was a dress code and 

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it was for an American bank and.
That must have been when this is

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early 90s, early 90s. 
Yeah, so quite strict dress 

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codes, quite a strict dress 
code. 

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And I always wore kind of slacks
and a shirt. 

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And there was a girl there in HR
and she said you have to wear a 

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skirt. 
And I said I don't want to wear 

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a skirt because like I'm 6/1 and
I prefer to wear a skirt with, 

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you know, my legs on show. 
And then I'm going to get a 

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different sort of attention from
the boys in the office, of which

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there were many. 
And she said you have to. 

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So, you know, I'd wear a skirt 
and I got and she'd she'd just 

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give me a really hard time. 
And I was like, I don't, you 

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know, the boys can wear this. 
So I'm comfortable wearing that.

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But yeah, I mean, it was it was 
it was office wear. 

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I mean, such a different era. 
That just could not happen now, 

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could it? 
No, no. 

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And I kind of fought against it.
I remember I was skiing and I 

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came back and I had a big 
bandage on my leg and I wore my 

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trousers, my herring bone 
trousers and she went, she came 

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straight up to me. 
I had bitter and twisted she 

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was. 
She came straight up to me and 

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she said I, you know, and I just
said I've, I've hurt my knee. 

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I've got a big bunch on. 
I'm not wearing, I'm not 

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wearing. 
I had to battle her not to wear 

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a skirt. 
And did the skirt have to be a 

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particular length? 
You know, could you wear a maxi 

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skirt? 
Oh yeah, I could have. 

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But we maxi skirts didn't really
exist in those days. 

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Those were, you know, from the 
70s For the beach. 

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Yeah, exactly. 
So no, there wasn't. 

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There wasn't really that option.
So they were just kind of pencil

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skirts or quite short. 
And sometimes you used to go 

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your skirt, it's too short. 
I'm like. 

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I am 6 foot one. 
I know that it's not. 

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00:23:10,850 --> 00:23:12,570
It's not. 
It's not the same length as 

448
00:23:12,570 --> 00:23:15,110
yours, love. 
But yeah, but I mean, it was. 

449
00:23:15,310 --> 00:23:19,710
I mean, I that was just one tiny
example, but otherwise, no, it's

450
00:23:19,710 --> 00:23:23,030
fine. 
Yeah, we both know that life of 

451
00:23:23,030 --> 00:23:26,270
the country, particularly on a 
farm around animals, can be 

452
00:23:26,270 --> 00:23:31,590
pretty mucky. 
How do you plan your on screen 

453
00:23:31,590 --> 00:23:34,390
looks for filming? 
There wouldn't be a lot of 

454
00:23:34,390 --> 00:23:36,750
planning now Amanda in any in 
any looks. 

455
00:23:37,030 --> 00:23:38,990
I'll tell you what I have I 
love. 

456
00:23:38,990 --> 00:23:42,720
I've got a pair of blue overalls
that one of my daughter's barred

457
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,200
when she was painting stuff. 
So they've got a lot of paint on

458
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,760
and all I need is 1 pair because
I don't wash them that often. 

459
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:51,320
I leave them hanging up in a 
barn to dry off because they're 

460
00:23:51,360 --> 00:23:54,080
just going to get muddy again. 
And every now and again I'll 

461
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,640
just get the power hose out and 
take everything off. 

462
00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,440
The dogs love when I wear them 
because there's just so many 

463
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,920
smells. 
So I love wearing my overalls 

464
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,000
and also they have the pockets 
here. 

465
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,840
There was actually there was one
time last, I think was it this 

466
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:11,950
year or last year? 
It's all blending into one and 

467
00:24:11,950 --> 00:24:15,910
we were doing the pigs and I was
literally trying to quite mucky 

468
00:24:15,910 --> 00:24:21,630
and I literally just said this 
is like fluffy pig shit with 

469
00:24:21,630 --> 00:24:24,710
cherries on top where the big 
turds hadn't fluffed up yet. 

470
00:24:25,590 --> 00:24:30,030
And I went to turn and my booth 
didn't turn and I just went 

471
00:24:30,350 --> 00:24:34,230
straight back and I sat and I 
just looked up at Jeremy and 

472
00:24:34,230 --> 00:24:37,110
went this is please tell me this
is not my life right now. 

473
00:24:37,750 --> 00:24:42,390
I'm and this deep in pictures 
but I did have my overalls on. 

474
00:24:42,910 --> 00:24:44,830
But I could feel there's an 
overall there's a pocket. 

475
00:24:46,830 --> 00:24:49,230
I'm glad you find it so funny as
well. 

476
00:24:50,350 --> 00:24:53,190
And there's a pocket that goes 
into your jeans and then there's

477
00:24:53,190 --> 00:24:56,310
a pocket pocket and I could just
feel where you can kind of get 

478
00:24:56,310 --> 00:24:58,510
into your inner clothes. 
I could just feel it just 

479
00:24:58,510 --> 00:25:02,070
seeping in and see I was just 
and I just when I was frozen 

480
00:25:02,070 --> 00:25:05,150
going no, no, no. 
I'm going to wake up any minute.

481
00:25:05,150 --> 00:25:07,960
This has this isn't happening 
but my ovals. 

482
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,040
Thank God I was wearing ovals 
that day, but if it's I just 

483
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,720
wear jeans. 
Jeans T-shirt Was Jeremy to you 

484
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:15,480
that day? 
Did he get his? 

485
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,640
He did try not to laugh. 
No, there was a cat full camera 

486
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,200
cue. 
And that was just rolling. 

487
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,920
They all were just on me. 
And they all there was silence 

488
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,400
because I was so shocked. 
And then what if we don't want 

489
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,520
to laugh because this could go 
horribly wrong and he wouldn't 

490
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,080
help me out because he knew what
would happen. 

491
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,320
You know how to yank him in. 
And I had to kind of just put my

492
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,990
hands in and and I'd literally 
just said, you know, this is 

493
00:25:36,990 --> 00:25:41,270
like fluff. 
It's oh, anyway, so on a wet 

494
00:25:41,270 --> 00:25:43,830
day, overalls are amazing. 
And I love an overall. 

495
00:25:44,910 --> 00:25:47,590
And then otherwise, yeah, jeans.
Good boots. 

496
00:25:48,110 --> 00:25:51,670
I was going to say Wellies. 
What brand wellies I have 

497
00:25:51,670 --> 00:25:55,590
Leshimo, which I've had, one of 
them is really badly eaten by 

498
00:25:55,590 --> 00:25:57,030
the dogs. 
Actually they've eaten the right

499
00:25:57,030 --> 00:25:59,430
hand boot or shoe and 
everything. 

500
00:25:59,430 --> 00:26:02,430
Once I've got Leshimo, which are
really expensive, but I'll have 

501
00:26:02,430 --> 00:26:05,390
them for the rest of my life. 
So per wear that the cheapest 

502
00:26:05,390 --> 00:26:06,510
pear valleys I've ever had. 
I. 

503
00:26:06,510 --> 00:26:08,390
Love pounds per wear? 
Yes. 

504
00:26:08,470 --> 00:26:10,190
And they keep your feet warm. 
Really warm. 

505
00:26:10,190 --> 00:26:11,590
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

506
00:26:12,030 --> 00:26:13,870
And then I have my Duck Martins 
as well. 

507
00:26:13,910 --> 00:26:16,990
Again, I've got 1 1/2 pairs of 
Duffel Martins because half has 

508
00:26:16,990 --> 00:26:19,070
been eaten. 
But I can't throw them away. 

509
00:26:19,070 --> 00:26:21,310
They still work. 
And actually, there's something 

510
00:26:21,310 --> 00:26:24,510
I I, you know, like you, I've 
had dogs all my life, and 

511
00:26:24,510 --> 00:26:27,390
there's something quite charming
about something that's slightly 

512
00:26:27,390 --> 00:26:30,630
chewed. 
Yeah, I mean when the inside of 

513
00:26:30,630 --> 00:26:34,120
my Porsche got. 
Decimated by a puppy, I wasn't 

514
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,440
quite so charmed by it. 
Did you keep the inside from 

515
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,200
MEMS? 
Yeah, quite tricky to change it 

516
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:44,080
actually a bit more expensive 
than A1 lesser moon. 

517
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,960
Exactly, exactly. 
But what tips do you have for 

518
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,360
keeping warm? 
Because it must be freezing when

519
00:26:50,360 --> 00:26:52,400
you're lambing in the middle of 
the night. 

520
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,720
And hats, gloves, everything is 
hats and gloves. 

521
00:26:55,840 --> 00:27:00,280
So I mean, I layer. 
I layer a lot I don't like. 

522
00:27:01,150 --> 00:27:04,590
I don't like being too hot, so I
always have layers on and my 

523
00:27:04,590 --> 00:27:06,750
jacket most of the time is 
around my waist and then if the 

524
00:27:06,750 --> 00:27:09,510
wind whips up. 
But I have these incredible 

525
00:27:09,710 --> 00:27:12,270
which I sell in the shop as 
well, actually little. 

526
00:27:12,310 --> 00:27:13,950
Plug. 
Little plug Oh my God, they're 

527
00:27:13,950 --> 00:27:16,750
the most beautiful athol green 
and bright red. 

528
00:27:16,790 --> 00:27:19,990
Colours, Actually, I haven't 
started selling them yet because

529
00:27:20,150 --> 00:27:22,670
they keep on making them and I 
keep on buying them for myself, 

530
00:27:22,670 --> 00:27:25,910
for gifts to other people. 
So they will be in the shop when

531
00:27:25,910 --> 00:27:29,430
I stop buying them. 
And then I got these great, you 

532
00:27:29,430 --> 00:27:31,390
know, fluffy hats. 
So. 

533
00:27:32,030 --> 00:27:33,870
Does Jeremy have a comment on 
your style? 

534
00:27:34,830 --> 00:27:40,070
Yes, yes, he does. 
I've got a great pair of Diesel 

535
00:27:40,070 --> 00:27:42,590
jeans, and they're just, they're
quite square. 

536
00:27:42,590 --> 00:27:44,790
And, you know, most of them are 
kind of long and skinny, but 

537
00:27:44,790 --> 00:27:47,630
these are just incredibly 
comfortable and. 

538
00:27:47,750 --> 00:27:50,310
But they're short for me. 
Yeah. 

539
00:27:50,470 --> 00:27:52,670
And I don't wear them with, you 
know, boots and stuff. 

540
00:27:52,990 --> 00:27:55,910
And he doesn't like those. 
He says you look stupid wearing 

541
00:27:55,910 --> 00:27:58,300
them. 
And I'm like fine. 

542
00:27:58,700 --> 00:28:01,900
The the thing that I always find
quite amusing about men is 

543
00:28:02,340 --> 00:28:05,540
boyfriend jeans. 
Yeah, they hate them. 

544
00:28:05,820 --> 00:28:07,420
And yet they're called 
boyfriends. 

545
00:28:07,540 --> 00:28:09,420
What? 
I think it's when you stayed the

546
00:28:09,420 --> 00:28:12,100
nice at someone's house. 
Is that OK? 

547
00:28:12,100 --> 00:28:13,260
Yes. 
Do you like? 

548
00:28:13,260 --> 00:28:17,780
Wearing Hughes clothes? 
No, no, actually, I did nick a 

549
00:28:17,820 --> 00:28:20,220
brilliant dinner shirt from him 
the other day. 

550
00:28:20,220 --> 00:28:23,780
I said, darling, this is looking
really like along in the tooth, 

551
00:28:24,860 --> 00:28:25,660
you know? 
Should we? 

552
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,000
Is it time for it to go? 
Yeah. 

553
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,200
And he said, yeah, I think 
you're right. 

554
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,880
And then he's wearing it the 
next day. 

555
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:37,640
He said, I won't trust you as 
much the next time you ask him 

556
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:42,240
something that it's useful life.
Do you have a comment on his 

557
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,200
style? 
Not really. 

558
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,360
I find it quite endearing. 
You know, he's got, you know, 

559
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,480
his little sometimes he wears 
these jumpers and they're just 

560
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,280
not really that long enough. 
I mean, I I have started buying 

561
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,150
him. 
When I first met him for 

562
00:28:55,150 --> 00:28:59,790
Christmas and birthday, I used 
to go to Laura Piano, Laura 

563
00:28:59,790 --> 00:29:04,630
piano even Even even. 
Yeah, Laura piano, Laura piano. 

564
00:29:04,630 --> 00:29:08,310
Lucky boy. 
Well, I go to Bicester and 

565
00:29:08,310 --> 00:29:10,550
there's a really nice manager 
there and he has a cupboard for 

566
00:29:10,550 --> 00:29:13,860
me and he'll keep stuff for 
Jeremy and he'll give me a text.

567
00:29:13,860 --> 00:29:16,420
Going, I've got to introduce me 
to said manager. 

568
00:29:16,900 --> 00:29:18,860
He's fine. 
Well, Jeremy has a certain size 

569
00:29:18,860 --> 00:29:21,780
that he has to have, so he 
wouldn't be the easiest person 

570
00:29:21,780 --> 00:29:24,740
to buy for sometimes. 
So he will say I've got a 

571
00:29:24,780 --> 00:29:27,340
collection for you to come in 
and sometimes I just don't like 

572
00:29:27,340 --> 00:29:30,900
the colors or anything else. 
But some he does, yeah. 

573
00:29:30,900 --> 00:29:33,140
No, I find it really enduring 
where he wears this little kind 

574
00:29:33,140 --> 00:29:35,340
of stuff and he no, he's not 
that. 

575
00:29:35,340 --> 00:29:37,660
He's not that fashion conscious.
He just wears the Jean Trouser 

576
00:29:38,050 --> 00:29:40,210
hates. 
If there is, he calls it a 

577
00:29:40,530 --> 00:29:43,090
dressing up. 
So if we go to, we were at a 

578
00:29:43,090 --> 00:29:46,850
party a couple of weekends ago, 
There's three nights of dress 

579
00:29:46,850 --> 00:29:50,890
codes and he was so angry to fly
there and he was chucking 

580
00:29:50,890 --> 00:29:52,370
everything around, just dressing
him and going. 

581
00:29:52,370 --> 00:29:54,410
I can't believe it's a dressing 
up party. 

582
00:29:54,410 --> 00:29:57,010
I hate dressing up parties, 
fancy dress parties. 

583
00:29:57,010 --> 00:30:00,900
To say they're not my favorite. 
How do you do you like I find it

584
00:30:00,900 --> 00:30:02,460
really Well, no, it wasn't fancy
dress. 

585
00:30:02,460 --> 00:30:05,100
It was just a black top. 
Yeah, there was a dress code. 

586
00:30:05,100 --> 00:30:06,140
It was really. 
You know, it wasn't. 

587
00:30:06,260 --> 00:30:08,540
I find it really easy because 
OK, I don't have to think that 

588
00:30:08,540 --> 00:30:11,620
many options. 
But he got so annoyed at having 

589
00:30:11,620 --> 00:30:14,580
as he causes to wear fancy dress
clothes. 

590
00:30:14,580 --> 00:30:17,660
He forgot his underwear. 
He forgot his swimming shorts 

591
00:30:17,660 --> 00:30:20,500
were going somewhere quite hot. 
Like he only packed what we 

592
00:30:20,500 --> 00:30:22,140
needed. 
Forgot his washing bag. 

593
00:30:22,380 --> 00:30:25,340
He was so furious. 
And he had his dinner jacket, 

594
00:30:25,340 --> 00:30:29,180
But he had his dinner jacket. 
He had his lovely suits, Linen 

595
00:30:29,180 --> 00:30:33,340
suits, But yeah, no, I kind of 
Yeah. 

596
00:30:33,380 --> 00:30:34,620
You think it looks cute? 
There's something quite 

597
00:30:34,620 --> 00:30:36,620
enviable. 
I always think of men's 

598
00:30:36,620 --> 00:30:40,020
wardrobes that, you know, the 
dinner jacket, the suit, the, 

599
00:30:40,300 --> 00:30:42,980
you know, the great Navy blazer,
yes. 

600
00:30:43,060 --> 00:30:46,020
And they put it on and it fits. 
And it's a lovely uniform, yes. 

601
00:30:46,020 --> 00:30:48,500
And it actually transforms them 
if it's well cut. 

602
00:30:48,620 --> 00:30:51,420
Totally, absolutely no. 
There's nothing like a bit of 

603
00:30:51,420 --> 00:30:54,620
men's tailoring, I have to say. 
Do you think you dress for 

604
00:30:54,620 --> 00:31:00,470
yourself? 
For Jeremy, for your audience, I

605
00:31:00,470 --> 00:31:05,510
think likes every now and again.
I make an effort just because I 

606
00:31:05,510 --> 00:31:07,110
could wear the same thing every 
day. 

607
00:31:07,710 --> 00:31:12,590
So yeah, sometimes I mean, I 
like a lot of scarves. 

608
00:31:12,710 --> 00:31:16,750
I always have to have a scarf 
just because I want to protect 

609
00:31:16,750 --> 00:31:21,790
my kind of thyroid and stuff. 
But I think I dress for. 

610
00:31:21,910 --> 00:31:23,630
Protect your thyroid. 
Oh, because I have. 

611
00:31:23,630 --> 00:31:26,770
I take thyroid tablets every 
morning and so I'm always 

612
00:31:26,770 --> 00:31:29,490
slightly aware of it. 
And does that, you know, does it

613
00:31:29,850 --> 00:31:33,690
get like cold or no. 
But if I go, and I'm sorry to be

614
00:31:33,690 --> 00:31:35,810
nauseous here, if I go cold 
water swimming in the winter 

615
00:31:35,810 --> 00:31:39,610
time, I know it's not 
nauseating, but it's the one 

616
00:31:39,610 --> 00:31:44,050
thing that hurts is my thyroid, 
because it's so sometimes it's 

617
00:31:44,050 --> 00:31:46,050
so cold. 
If it's eight degrees or below, 

618
00:31:46,050 --> 00:31:48,050
it's. 
You do that every day of the 

619
00:31:48,050 --> 00:31:50,170
winter? 
No, no, I do it sometimes. 

620
00:31:50,170 --> 00:31:52,890
I drive to cornbury this 
fabulous lake, and there's a 

621
00:31:52,890 --> 00:31:55,090
group of us that go swimming and
I drive there and I think I'm 

622
00:31:55,090 --> 00:31:56,130
going to die. 
I'll never come home. 

623
00:31:56,130 --> 00:31:58,610
I'm gonna have a heart attack 
and I come back on the top of 

624
00:31:58,610 --> 00:32:00,970
the world. 
Yeah, I did an ice bath for the 

625
00:32:00,970 --> 00:32:05,490
first time a few weeks ago and I
thought they're more difficult, 

626
00:32:05,490 --> 00:32:06,850
though it was. 
It was hard. 

627
00:32:06,970 --> 00:32:08,450
Well, you're sitting and it's 
not amusing. 

628
00:32:08,450 --> 00:32:10,450
Whereas at least if you jump 
into a lake, it's beautiful. 

629
00:32:10,730 --> 00:32:11,890
I couldn't do that. 
Around you. 

630
00:32:11,890 --> 00:32:15,490
I actually had to take my hands 
out because they were hurting so

631
00:32:15,490 --> 00:32:17,650
much. 
Yeah, but you do feel good after

632
00:32:17,650 --> 00:32:18,650
it. 
Oh, amazing. 

633
00:32:18,650 --> 00:32:21,890
But I really energized you. 
Jump into a lake, you have to at

634
00:32:21,890 --> 00:32:25,410
least turn around and jump out. 
Whereas an ice bath, you're just

635
00:32:25,410 --> 00:32:26,850
sitting there. 
Oh yeah. 

636
00:32:28,370 --> 00:32:32,330
What do you reach for when you 
need to feel empowered? 

637
00:32:33,890 --> 00:32:38,530
My machete. 
What do I reach for? 

638
00:32:39,730 --> 00:32:41,170
I'm not. 
I don't know if I'm. 

639
00:32:42,410 --> 00:32:47,050
Are you a mood dresser? 
OK, clothing wise, what do I 

640
00:32:47,050 --> 00:32:50,690
reach for when I need to feel 
empowered? 

641
00:32:50,730 --> 00:32:53,290
I think if I have a handbag. 
Oh yeah, I've got a really 

642
00:32:53,290 --> 00:32:56,010
pretty handbag. 
Actually, I got recently, and 

643
00:32:56,010 --> 00:32:59,690
it's a vintage one. 
And it's Emperor Yellow with 

644
00:33:00,250 --> 00:33:04,390
hand embroidery on it and that 
if I kind of want to, I'll grab 

645
00:33:04,390 --> 00:33:05,510
that. 
It's kind of like a safety 

646
00:33:05,510 --> 00:33:11,830
blanket, but clothing wise, 
empowered. 

647
00:33:11,830 --> 00:33:16,510
I got some nice jackets. 
Yeah, but I don't normally try 

648
00:33:16,510 --> 00:33:19,150
to. 
I normally try and do that with,

649
00:33:19,150 --> 00:33:23,910
you know, the snake eyes. 
Do you think you've evolved as a

650
00:33:23,910 --> 00:33:29,910
personality in terms of that, 
like if you scroll back to time?

651
00:33:30,380 --> 00:33:34,140
30 years ago, 25 years ago, 
would you have reached for 

652
00:33:34,140 --> 00:33:37,700
clothing in a different way to 
empower you to dress the part? 

653
00:33:39,020 --> 00:33:41,780
Yeah, definitely. 
When I was younger, obviously 

654
00:33:41,780 --> 00:33:46,660
when I was younger growing up, 
yeah, I knew if I wanted to kind

655
00:33:46,660 --> 00:33:49,620
of look hot for something, I 
knew I could just put on a 

656
00:33:49,620 --> 00:33:52,580
certain dress and I could kind 
of knock, knock it out of the 

657
00:33:52,580 --> 00:33:57,820
ballpark and. 
But the best nights I've had are

658
00:33:58,540 --> 00:34:01,620
getting to a black tie event. 
My luggage is lost and literally

659
00:34:01,620 --> 00:34:03,820
wearing jeans and AT shirt and 
that's the best nice I've had. 

660
00:34:04,220 --> 00:34:09,780
But do you think also, as your 
fame has grown, you've become 

661
00:34:09,900 --> 00:34:14,060
less concerned about powerful 
dressing? 

662
00:34:15,179 --> 00:34:16,820
I don't know. 
I mean, you probably know better

663
00:34:16,820 --> 00:34:18,739
than I do. 
Did I ever dress powerfully? 

664
00:34:19,260 --> 00:34:23,139
Well, I think at times, yes. 
I remember a couple of times I 

665
00:34:23,179 --> 00:34:27,210
remember. 
You in closters in Switzerland? 

666
00:34:27,210 --> 00:34:31,409
Oh God, I had some coats. 
Oh my God, yeah, beautiful 

667
00:34:31,409 --> 00:34:34,210
embroidered sheepskin coat. 
I mean, I do remember it. 

668
00:34:34,449 --> 00:34:38,170
And you had a fur hat and you 
were walking through the village

669
00:34:38,610 --> 00:34:40,810
with your little kids in your 
hands. 

670
00:34:40,810 --> 00:34:43,810
And I mean, you were like a 
scene out of the movie, Yeah. 

671
00:34:43,850 --> 00:34:45,770
No. 
And then I had Amanda Wakeley, 

672
00:34:45,770 --> 00:34:49,929
long Rabbitskin White coat, 
which was one of your samples. 

673
00:34:49,929 --> 00:34:52,370
And I went to your sample sale 
coats. 

674
00:34:52,370 --> 00:34:55,810
Yeah, definitely I can. 
I can rock it with coats and 

675
00:34:55,810 --> 00:34:57,410
then you can kind of take them 
off and then you can talk to 

676
00:34:57,410 --> 00:34:59,130
people. 
But I do remember. 

677
00:34:59,130 --> 00:35:02,130
And that house, I still have the
coat that was stolen out of my 

678
00:35:02,130 --> 00:35:04,090
car. 
But yeah, no, that. 

679
00:35:04,170 --> 00:35:08,170
But I wouldn't necessarily do 
that on purpose because I didn't

680
00:35:08,170 --> 00:35:09,890
buy the. 
It was the coat was a gift. 

681
00:35:10,170 --> 00:35:12,170
And I was like, wow, I wouldn't 
normally. 

682
00:35:12,610 --> 00:35:14,330
I mean, it's brilliant. 
It's like it's the most 

683
00:35:14,330 --> 00:35:20,010
beautiful coat but I wouldn't 
spend that much on my wardrobe. 

684
00:35:21,570 --> 00:35:25,810
Yeah I'm more I first spend 
money on travelling going up and

685
00:35:26,690 --> 00:35:28,250
I mean I I'd get stuff in the 
sales. 

686
00:35:28,250 --> 00:35:30,930
I I mean I still have all your 
dresses so I'll buy something 

687
00:35:30,930 --> 00:35:35,610
once and I I think the last time
I wanted wore one of your 

688
00:35:35,610 --> 00:35:40,450
dresses I got 30 years ago was 
last year still wearing them. 

689
00:35:40,450 --> 00:35:42,050
My kids wear them. 
Great story. 

690
00:35:42,090 --> 00:35:44,370
I was going to say. 
You've got two gorgeous 

691
00:35:44,370 --> 00:35:46,770
daughters. 
Do they raid your wardrobe? 

692
00:35:48,010 --> 00:35:50,290
Yeah. 
So when I used to like, I would 

693
00:35:50,290 --> 00:35:53,850
buy, even before I had children,
I'd buy quite expensive things, 

694
00:35:54,570 --> 00:35:59,370
say a Versace, you know, dress. 
And I go, it's not really for 

695
00:35:59,370 --> 00:36:00,610
me. 
It's for when I have children, 

696
00:36:00,610 --> 00:36:03,210
not even knowing if I was ever 
going to have children. 

697
00:36:03,650 --> 00:36:06,690
And and I tried to, when they 
were like 15, I was like, you 

698
00:36:06,690 --> 00:36:08,730
should wear this. 
And they were like grunge. 

699
00:36:08,730 --> 00:36:12,090
They were like, no. 
And now they're like, mum, can 

700
00:36:12,090 --> 00:36:13,330
we get that? 
Can we wear that dress? 

701
00:36:13,330 --> 00:36:16,650
I'm like, don't touch it. 
No, it's too precious. 

702
00:36:17,690 --> 00:36:19,170
But they are. 
Yeah, they do. 

703
00:36:19,790 --> 00:36:21,950
They they're very grateful for 
my wardrobe. 

704
00:36:23,950 --> 00:36:26,910
I love that you share your your 
wardrobe with your daughters 

705
00:36:26,910 --> 00:36:31,950
because I think it's a lovely 
way of reliving and and giving 

706
00:36:31,950 --> 00:36:33,390
you life. 
Yeah, new. 

707
00:36:33,390 --> 00:36:35,870
New stories. 
Yeah, I know I do. 

708
00:36:36,070 --> 00:36:37,790
The one thing is they have to 
take photographs. 

709
00:36:37,790 --> 00:36:41,270
If they wear it out, which they 
always do, to to send me. 

710
00:36:41,270 --> 00:36:42,790
To send you oh. 
That's gorgeous. 

711
00:36:42,790 --> 00:36:45,110
You should do. 
You should do that here and now.

712
00:36:45,390 --> 00:36:48,830
Yes, I know, yes. 
Would you say age is a 

713
00:36:48,830 --> 00:36:55,750
consideration of how you dress? 
Yes and no. 

714
00:36:56,030 --> 00:36:58,230
How would I? 
I mean, I I wouldn't feel 

715
00:36:58,230 --> 00:36:59,550
comfortable. 
I still wear shorts, for 

716
00:36:59,550 --> 00:37:03,430
example, in summertime and I 
still wear the same shorts. 

717
00:37:03,430 --> 00:37:06,790
There's just cut off jeans that 
I've had for 20 years. 

718
00:37:06,790 --> 00:37:11,470
I still Chuck that on with the 
T-shirt, but age wise, I mean 

719
00:37:11,830 --> 00:37:15,800
being those were probably, you 
know, on turn then I think it's 

720
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:17,600
for, well, it's for my shape as 
well. 

721
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,800
There's certain clothes that 
just fit my shape and I've got 

722
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:26,320
an incredibly long back. 
So if I buy a jacket, it either 

723
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,200
has to be. 
I have quite a few couture 

724
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,360
jackets that I bought once and 
I, you know, that's it for the 

725
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,680
rest of my life because they're 
long enough in the waist. 

726
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:35,880
So I think it's more a shape 
thing. 

727
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:41,760
Yeah, as we evolve through the 
years. 

728
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,800
Your long hair? 
Yes, I haven't. 

729
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:47,400
I'm going to take it down, but I
haven't brushed it. 

730
00:37:47,720 --> 00:37:49,240
Well, it's gorgeous, I know, but
I'm. 

731
00:37:49,240 --> 00:37:50,440
I forgot to brush it this 
evening. 

732
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,600
I just. 
Forgot to brush it literally. 

733
00:37:53,720 --> 00:37:58,000
But out of interest, do you do 
you plan to keep it long? 

734
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:00,600
I've noticed the Fringe has 
crept in. 

735
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:02,200
Oh, that was a bit of an 
accident. 

736
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:06,080
What an accident with scissors. 
No, it was an accident with a 

737
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,720
lighter. 
And I can't tell you what I was 

738
00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:13,770
doing with the lighter, but it 
since quite a big chunk of my 

739
00:38:13,770 --> 00:38:17,810
hair so I had this she. 
Reaches for her fringe Mia 

740
00:38:17,810 --> 00:38:20,890
Farrow thing coming down for 
about two. 

741
00:38:21,210 --> 00:38:23,810
It was really, really short. 
It was. 

742
00:38:23,890 --> 00:38:27,690
That's why then I had to cut 
fringe in. 

743
00:38:27,690 --> 00:38:30,930
And it's kind of it's grown down
since, but I quite liked it. 

744
00:38:30,930 --> 00:38:32,410
Quite short. 
But it's very, I mean, I do it 

745
00:38:32,410 --> 00:38:33,810
myself. 
It's a very bathroom mirror. 

746
00:38:34,370 --> 00:38:38,250
Totally sober when the Little 
Fringe incident happened. 

747
00:38:38,330 --> 00:38:41,470
I can't remember. 
I do remember it growing down 

748
00:38:41,470 --> 00:38:44,390
there, but I quite like it to 
kind of, you know, it's not 

749
00:38:44,390 --> 00:38:46,470
going to change now. 
Now it's grown a little bit 

750
00:38:46,470 --> 00:38:48,230
longer. 
Do you prefer it longer? 

751
00:38:48,230 --> 00:38:49,430
I do. 
OK, yes. 

752
00:38:50,070 --> 00:38:53,110
Yeah, no, I think it was. 
I mean it was right up here so 

753
00:38:53,270 --> 00:38:56,390
and I had to cut it in because 
that was, I look like Poe from 

754
00:38:57,030 --> 00:38:58,630
that cartoon because it was like
that. 

755
00:38:58,710 --> 00:39:00,590
Anyway. 
So that's how my the story of my

756
00:39:00,590 --> 00:39:04,110
fringe. 
How would you describe your 

757
00:39:04,110 --> 00:39:07,750
style in three words, or if it's
easier? 

758
00:39:08,180 --> 00:39:11,700
How would you want someone else 
to describe your style in three 

759
00:39:11,700 --> 00:39:21,980
words, clean, casual and simple?
Is that the same as casual 

760
00:39:22,020 --> 00:39:26,420
flowing so that it kind of, you 
know, it flows, it's not sharp 

761
00:39:26,460 --> 00:39:29,220
and angled, it's just kind of, I
don't know how would you 

762
00:39:29,220 --> 00:39:32,940
describe yours? 
Oh, turning the yeah, I would 

763
00:39:33,060 --> 00:39:40,670
say yes, I would say clean. 03 
words? 

764
00:39:40,670 --> 00:39:42,750
It's hard, isn't it? 
Right back at your girlfriend. 

765
00:39:42,870 --> 00:39:47,390
Yeah, right back at me. 
Hint of I I was like a hint of 

766
00:39:47,390 --> 00:39:50,830
rock chick. 
A hint, but not full on Kate 

767
00:39:50,830 --> 00:39:54,070
Moss because I so am not her in 
my dreams. 

768
00:39:55,470 --> 00:39:58,390
And then I love a little bit of 
glam. 

769
00:39:58,470 --> 00:40:00,950
Yeah, but. 
But glam is. 

770
00:40:00,950 --> 00:40:03,110
Always going to be. 
Kicked back down. 

771
00:40:03,190 --> 00:40:04,110
Yeah. 
No you were. 

772
00:40:04,110 --> 00:40:05,950
Yes I know. 
Well, you're silk in Kashmir was

773
00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:09,400
just it's still fantastic. 
Well, watch this space. 

774
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:13,160
Oh good. 
You obviously have life outside 

775
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:14,360
the farm. 
Yes? 

776
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,200
Have you ever used a stylist? 
What? 

777
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:20,160
Going to a party or something? 
Yes, No. 

778
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,920
I just used to call you and say 
do you have any dresses I can 

779
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,360
wear or I would go into my 
wardrobe? 

780
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:29,080
And no, because I think the 
difficulty would be if they say 

781
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:33,280
this was this would be fantastic
and then it wasn't. 

782
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,470
And also so for example, I had, 
I mean I've worn it so many 

783
00:40:36,470 --> 00:40:41,190
Times Now and as Dean Eliya, 
it's like a Pearl little mini 

784
00:40:41,190 --> 00:40:43,030
dress. 
It's just so beautiful. 

785
00:40:43,430 --> 00:40:47,630
And if my figure is looking OK 
that day, and it does depend 

786
00:40:47,630 --> 00:40:49,750
from like day-to-day, sometimes 
you think, great, I can wear it.

787
00:40:49,750 --> 00:40:52,070
Somebody's think just don't wear
that. 

788
00:40:52,230 --> 00:40:54,270
If you stuff in the mirror and 
go, no, Piglet, don't. 

789
00:40:55,630 --> 00:40:58,790
And so I kind of have safe words
in my ward that I'm happy to 

790
00:40:58,790 --> 00:41:00,870
revisit a stylist. 
No. 

791
00:41:00,870 --> 00:41:01,470
What's scary? 
No. 

792
00:41:02,750 --> 00:41:03,990
Pushes you out of the comfort 
zone? 

793
00:41:03,990 --> 00:41:06,900
Definitely. 
Do you think you've ever had a 

794
00:41:07,100 --> 00:41:11,540
real howler have a worst fashion
moment? 

795
00:41:13,620 --> 00:41:16,740
Oh God, I'm just trying to pick 
out of all the howlers I've had.

796
00:41:16,780 --> 00:41:19,460
Oh, I can't believe that. 
Yeah. 

797
00:41:19,460 --> 00:41:22,020
I remember actually going to 
this premiere of Fierce 

798
00:41:22,020 --> 00:41:25,700
Creatures and I had that 
beautiful dress on and we'd just

799
00:41:25,700 --> 00:41:28,140
come in. 
We just landed that day from 

800
00:41:28,540 --> 00:41:32,170
Sailor across the Atlantic. 
I think that's. 

801
00:41:32,610 --> 00:41:35,530
That's quite a line because we 
just landed that we just landed 

802
00:41:35,530 --> 00:41:37,610
and I was coming in from it. 
We just said we weren't. 

803
00:41:37,610 --> 00:41:39,650
I didn't mean to sail across the
Atlantic, but the wind was going

804
00:41:39,650 --> 00:41:41,890
in the wrong direction. 
So we headed to Brazil instead 

805
00:41:41,890 --> 00:41:44,370
of heading to Europe. 
Don't even. 

806
00:41:45,450 --> 00:41:46,770
Another. 
It is a whole story. 

807
00:41:46,930 --> 00:41:52,170
Another story, another story. 
And I had I had my legs were 

808
00:41:52,170 --> 00:41:57,270
incredibly hairy before laser 
and I would never ever shave my 

809
00:41:57,270 --> 00:41:59,110
legs. 
I had to wax them because if I 

810
00:41:59,110 --> 00:42:02,190
shave them I would. 
I would I'd cuss small children 

811
00:42:02,190 --> 00:42:05,950
up into pieces if I brushed 
against them, so I had to. 

812
00:42:06,430 --> 00:42:10,510
So I got a pair of tights and 
they were kind of like white 

813
00:42:10,670 --> 00:42:14,230
with black shoes and it was just
not great. 

814
00:42:16,070 --> 00:42:19,150
There was an era of those shiny 
white tights, though. 

815
00:42:19,790 --> 00:42:23,070
They were brutal, even the best 
legs in the world. 

816
00:42:24,860 --> 00:42:26,580
Let's talk about travel. 
Are you? 

817
00:42:26,580 --> 00:42:30,140
Do you pay particular attention 
to your airport? 

818
00:42:30,140 --> 00:42:32,700
Look to your travel. 
Oh, these are my airport rises. 

819
00:42:33,220 --> 00:42:36,580
Actually, I have to admit, you 
did text me the other day from a

820
00:42:36,620 --> 00:42:37,820
plane. 
From a plane, Yeah. 

821
00:42:37,820 --> 00:42:40,740
I only went because they don't 
set anything off, so these and I

822
00:42:40,740 --> 00:42:45,140
wear them and then I have a kind
of top and a silk, silk top and 

823
00:42:45,140 --> 00:42:48,780
a similar colour which I Chuck 
on and then I just layer up with

824
00:42:50,180 --> 00:42:52,260
jackets or depending where I'm 
going. 

825
00:42:52,260 --> 00:42:55,180
So that is my absolutely go to 
every time. 

826
00:42:55,180 --> 00:42:56,940
Are you a good Packer or a bad 
Packer? 

827
00:42:56,940 --> 00:42:59,340
I only ever go hand luggage when
I first you. 

828
00:42:59,540 --> 00:43:01,980
Don't only ever. 
When I first went away with 

829
00:43:01,980 --> 00:43:06,860
Jeremy and he was coming from a 
Grand Tour show and I had to 

830
00:43:06,860 --> 00:43:10,180
take three flights, we were 
going to Mozambique and I said 

831
00:43:10,180 --> 00:43:12,540
going hand luggage. 
He's well, we have a week here. 

832
00:43:12,860 --> 00:43:16,340
And I went, yeah, but I got a 
couple of bikinis, sarongs, 

833
00:43:16,340 --> 00:43:18,340
T-shirts, one pair of flip 
flops. 

834
00:43:18,860 --> 00:43:21,700
It's on a beach so OK, I'll go 
hand luggage too. 

835
00:43:22,140 --> 00:43:28,000
And he had a little flowery bag 
that he got in the hotel gift 

836
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:32,760
shop and we both like. 
I know I love going hand luggage

837
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,560
and I'd love as well not having 
too much choice. 

838
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,560
Yeah, I agree. 
Actually, those times that I 

839
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,400
just sort of take a bit of 
everything, Yeah, it's then. 

840
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,400
Then you've got all of those 
dilemmas when you get there. 

841
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,400
What am I going actually to? 
Yes, something worth the choice.

842
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,080
Friday, Saturday, Sunday sorted.
Yeah, yeah. 

843
00:43:54,070 --> 00:43:56,830
Wardrobe secrets. 
Which brand would you say is 

844
00:43:56,830 --> 00:43:59,230
your guilty secret? 
And why? 

845
00:43:59,510 --> 00:44:04,990
Oh oh, guilty secrets. 
As in because it's quite 

846
00:44:04,990 --> 00:44:06,790
expensive. 
Yeah. 

847
00:44:06,910 --> 00:44:11,590
Or maybe it's changes. 
Like for a while I was mad about

848
00:44:11,590 --> 00:44:14,790
Celine, and then for a mad while
I was mad. 

849
00:44:14,790 --> 00:44:17,110
I mean anything that Phoebe Filo
did for Chloe. 

850
00:44:17,310 --> 00:44:20,830
Brilliant. 
I was mad for, so I was 

851
00:44:21,270 --> 00:44:23,310
especially, she says her cream 
shirts. 

852
00:44:23,310 --> 00:44:25,110
So I would that would be my 
guilty secret. 

853
00:44:25,630 --> 00:44:28,270
And I have a lot of cream shirts
are basically my thing. 

854
00:44:28,430 --> 00:44:29,910
And you still have them, no 
doubt. 

855
00:44:29,910 --> 00:44:32,910
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. 
Would you say you have a style 

856
00:44:32,910 --> 00:44:43,750
icon, A style icon? 
I think maybe that kind of a 

857
00:44:43,750 --> 00:44:48,110
little bit hippie would be. 
There was who was that woman who

858
00:44:48,110 --> 00:44:51,430
I wanted to be? 
She's got that Grace Coddington.

859
00:44:52,230 --> 00:44:55,150
I just used to look at her and 
thought she was just fabulous, 

860
00:44:55,150 --> 00:44:56,990
you know, with her long flowing 
coats. 

861
00:44:57,030 --> 00:45:00,630
And you know, there's certain, 
So Zhang TOI, I don't know if 

862
00:45:00,630 --> 00:45:06,590
you know Zhang TOI, I love his 
from about, I would say 10 years

863
00:45:06,590 --> 00:45:10,110
ago, his collection with his 
double collars, very fishes. 

864
00:45:10,470 --> 00:45:13,270
And I went to his. 
I was in New York and I went to 

865
00:45:13,270 --> 00:45:17,370
his studio and he offered me 
some of the clothes from the 

866
00:45:17,370 --> 00:45:18,970
catwalk. 
And I'm like, who else can wear 

867
00:45:18,970 --> 00:45:20,250
these? 
Because, you know, the green 

868
00:45:20,250 --> 00:45:23,810
coat that I wear and, you know 
it goes at the train is about 7 

869
00:45:23,810 --> 00:45:25,970
foot long and I can actually 
wear it. 

870
00:45:25,970 --> 00:45:29,250
So that was a guilty secret. 
Actually, that was a really 

871
00:45:29,250 --> 00:45:31,090
guilty secret. 
About 10 years ago I just 

872
00:45:31,090 --> 00:45:35,970
splurged on his stuff, but since
then his collection hasn't 

873
00:45:35,970 --> 00:45:37,770
suited me as much. 
But do you still wear that coat?

874
00:45:37,890 --> 00:45:40,250
Oh yeah, Yeah, Yes. 
On my profile pics. 

875
00:45:41,290 --> 00:45:42,580
Yeah. 
Of course it is. 

876
00:45:42,660 --> 00:45:44,940
Yes, that green. 
Exactly that. 

877
00:45:44,940 --> 00:45:47,860
Beautiful emerald. 
Yes, gorgeous. 

878
00:45:48,620 --> 00:45:52,340
What would you say is your 
approach to sustainable fashion?

879
00:45:53,540 --> 00:45:58,780
I don't buy much, basically 
about oh, I'd say. 

880
00:45:59,060 --> 00:46:02,620
Well, after that splurge of Sang
toy, I decided I had enough 

881
00:46:02,620 --> 00:46:05,900
clothes and I wasn't going to 
shop for a year as an. 

882
00:46:05,900 --> 00:46:09,530
Interesting one to do, isn't it?
Then I decided I was going to do

883
00:46:09,530 --> 00:46:12,770
it for another year because I 
thought actually I haven't worn 

884
00:46:12,970 --> 00:46:14,810
some of the stuff. 
I haven't kind of gone back and 

885
00:46:14,810 --> 00:46:18,090
I don't have that many clothes, 
but I'm like, I'm still not 

886
00:46:18,090 --> 00:46:20,610
going to buy. 
So I did two years and since 

887
00:46:20,610 --> 00:46:24,330
then I haven't really bought 
like I buy so rarely. 

888
00:46:24,730 --> 00:46:27,930
So sustainability is. 
And I have bought stuff before 

889
00:46:27,930 --> 00:46:30,210
from I remember buying a jumper 
from Topshop and thought it was 

890
00:46:30,290 --> 00:46:33,410
great and I washed it and I was 
like, I'm never buying something

891
00:46:33,410 --> 00:46:35,130
from there again because I can 
never re wear it. 

892
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,600
Yeah, but it is lovely that 
delving back into your wardrobe 

893
00:46:39,720 --> 00:46:43,240
and the memories and actually 
just the fact that you bought 

894
00:46:43,240 --> 00:46:46,560
something 15 years ago, 20 years
ago, Yeah, we still love it, 

895
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:48,680
yeah, And still can wear. 
It I yeah. 

896
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:52,280
For me, that's the that's 
actually the strongest approach 

897
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,680
to sustainability at the moment.
I think it's all because fashion

898
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,480
changes so rapidly. 
It's from season to season as 

899
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:00,200
opposed to from decade to 
decade. 

900
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,320
So we can wear you can basically
anything goes. 

901
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,680
Do you ever buy vintage? 
And where? 

902
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,480
Where do you buy? 
Where do you go? 

903
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:12,320
Do you have a little local 
favorite haunt or my favorite 

904
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,280
vintage thing was when I lived 
in the New Forest. 

905
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,600
So Lymington, there was a woman 
that came in and she just had 

906
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:23,280
her her sister's belongings to 
this to this vintage shop or it 

907
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,640
wasn't. 
It was it was a charity shop and

908
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:30,200
she had this little white mink 
stove and I went, Oh my God, 

909
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:34,000
that's absolutely beautiful and 
with beautiful silk lining. 

910
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:36,280
And I said to the girl, how much
is that? 

911
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,160
And she went 05 and I was like 
500. 

912
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:42,000
That's bit steep. 
I said 5 and she went OK, £4.00 

913
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,280
and no, no, no, I can give you 5
And that was one of those 

914
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:48,960
beautiful moments where you just
think I've and I still wear it 

915
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,960
all the time. 
So yeah, I mean I love a bit of 

916
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,280
vintage. 
I love, I've loved Portobello's,

917
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:59,640
amazing, all the country vintage
shops. 

918
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:05,080
Yeah, yeah. 
What is the oldest piece in your

919
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:08,520
wardrobe? 
I have I have a T-shirt I still 

920
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:18,120
wear that I got the first time I
went to New York in 92 and it 

921
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,600
has it's the it's the New York 
City line with the twin towers 

922
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:24,360
and everything. 
And I I know and I got an extra 

923
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,000
large. 
I wear it occasionally. 

924
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,800
I go for a jog and I wear it 
jogging and it's got holes 

925
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:30,640
everywhere, but I don't want to 
not wear it. 

926
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:35,640
So that's pretty old. 
And then yeah, I mean, I'm, I 

927
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:37,560
have, I don't fit into it 
anymore. 

928
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:42,160
The first proper thing I bought 
when I was modeling. 

929
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:45,720
Yeah, I've got, I am. 
Half my stuff is ancient. 

930
00:48:45,720 --> 00:48:48,800
I've got remember Voyage. 
Yes, yeah, I've got all my 

931
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:52,400
Voyage pieces and that little 
purple T-shirt I have, which 

932
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:56,970
cost basically a month's rent 
and tiny little T-shirt with a 

933
00:48:56,970 --> 00:48:58,930
little bit of velvet. 
I was gonna say I bet it had 

934
00:48:58,930 --> 00:49:00,890
velvet trim. 
It had a velvet trim there and I

935
00:49:00,890 --> 00:49:03,650
still wear that. 
And that was from early 90s. 

936
00:49:03,850 --> 00:49:06,170
Yeah, it was a brilliant store, 
wasn't it? 

937
00:49:06,530 --> 00:49:08,130
What about you? 
What's your oldest? 

938
00:49:08,330 --> 00:49:12,290
Oh, probably a cashmere 
sweatshirt that I made for my 

939
00:49:12,290 --> 00:49:18,650
father when I first started and 
that just has such sentimental 

940
00:49:18,810 --> 00:49:20,610
value. 
Do you have a piece in your 

941
00:49:20,610 --> 00:49:23,490
wardrobe that you are 
particularly sentimentally 

942
00:49:23,490 --> 00:49:26,040
attached to That's. 
Well, that T-shirt will be one 

943
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:30,280
of them because as well as has 
the old new year, old skyline. 

944
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:33,920
Yeah, as it was. 
So that they yeah, that's that's

945
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,920
a poignant piece of me. 
OK, quick fire questions. 

946
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,400
Yes. 
So what advice would you give to

947
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:43,160
your 20 year old self? 
Breathe and live and just get. 

948
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,600
Just keep going. 
Basically, never stop moving. 

949
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,680
Which fashion trend would you 
like to see make a comeback? 

950
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,980
Hippie. 
What fashion or beauty trend 

951
00:49:52,980 --> 00:49:58,380
would you consign to Room 101 
scar mod? 

952
00:49:58,380 --> 00:50:03,260
Do you remember Scar fashion? 
No, with a long wrinkle. 

953
00:50:03,340 --> 00:50:05,300
Oh, yes, yes, yes. 
Yeah. 

954
00:50:05,740 --> 00:50:06,780
Yeah. 
I wasn't creating that. 

955
00:50:06,780 --> 00:50:12,660
Yeah. 
OK, your last impulse Buy two 

956
00:50:12,660 --> 00:50:16,660
dogs. 
You can't wear them, I hope. 

957
00:50:17,500 --> 00:50:26,240
My last impulse buy? 
Oh, oh, it was. 

958
00:50:26,240 --> 00:50:31,120
It was a pair of vintage Chanel 
boots and someone said, who's 

959
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:32,760
size 41? 
I am. 

960
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,000
And they went, Oh my God, you 
know, these are 300, they should

961
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:36,840
be 3000. 
And I bought them and I 

962
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:38,720
shouldn't have. 
Because you've never worn them. 

963
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:40,720
I gave them someone as their 
50th. 

964
00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:42,640
I gave the Charlotte Tilbury, 
actually for her 50th. 

965
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,360
I bet she loved they were third 
hand boots because I bought them

966
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,230
second hand. 
I know. 

967
00:50:47,230 --> 00:50:48,990
I mean, where? 
She's not going to get anything 

968
00:50:48,990 --> 00:50:50,190
third hand, is she? 
No. 

969
00:50:50,230 --> 00:51:01,230
No, Probably gifted couture. 
Your views on tattoos wouldn't 

970
00:51:01,230 --> 00:51:05,030
mind one, but I'm Alabaster. 
And your children having them? 

971
00:51:05,670 --> 00:51:09,070
Oh, my daughter, my youngest 
daughter. 

972
00:51:10,750 --> 00:51:14,030
I was on Zoom with her and she, 
my elder daughter, said. 

973
00:51:14,030 --> 00:51:17,030
Have you seen her tattoo? 
Mum and I went show me and she 

974
00:51:17,030 --> 00:51:19,430
had really, really long hair so 
I haven't seen it And it was a 

975
00:51:19,430 --> 00:51:24,990
bee and I was like Alice, a bee.
Like where's the Shamrock on 

976
00:51:24,990 --> 00:51:26,670
your face? 
You call that a tattoo? 

977
00:51:26,950 --> 00:51:28,990
And I said come back and you've 
got a Shamrock on your face 

978
00:51:28,990 --> 00:51:30,590
thinking have I got away with 
this? 

979
00:51:30,950 --> 00:51:33,790
But they she has a little tattoo
and my older daughter just got a

980
00:51:33,790 --> 00:51:38,630
tissue and my son has a tattoo 
when he lost a bet and he's got 

981
00:51:38,630 --> 00:51:41,990
CFC on his ass, but I haven't 
seen it on his bottom on his 

982
00:51:41,990 --> 00:51:43,940
buttocks. 
You don't. 

983
00:51:43,940 --> 00:51:46,580
Or an English rose or something,
Yes. 

984
00:51:47,140 --> 00:51:49,300
Blow dry or manicure? 
Manicure. 

985
00:51:49,900 --> 00:51:52,860
I've seen great manicure on the 
farm. 

986
00:51:52,860 --> 00:51:55,700
I love it. 
You know, wonderful colored 

987
00:51:55,700 --> 00:51:58,540
nails while you're. 
Oh yes, occasionally. 

988
00:51:58,540 --> 00:52:00,300
And then it's shellac. 
And then I pick it all off. 

989
00:52:00,340 --> 00:52:02,220
Like at the moment. 
I know it's bad. 

990
00:52:02,220 --> 00:52:05,100
I know you're always the most 
amazing person doing your nails.

991
00:52:05,100 --> 00:52:07,660
You always, you know, there's 
certain people that can just do 

992
00:52:07,660 --> 00:52:10,020
their nails without getting any 
rivets. 

993
00:52:10,340 --> 00:52:12,430
That's you. 
I try. 

994
00:52:12,430 --> 00:52:14,630
Yeah, you're so good at during 
lockdown, actually. 

995
00:52:16,510 --> 00:52:18,350
High end or High Street high 
end. 

996
00:52:19,110 --> 00:52:22,790
Minimalism or maximalism? 
Minimalism. 

997
00:52:23,430 --> 00:52:24,990
Crocs. 
Cute or puke. 

998
00:52:26,590 --> 00:52:30,190
Thank you. 
Hunters or Leshimo Leshimo. 

999
00:52:30,870 --> 00:52:32,910
Sports Lux or rock'n'roll? 
Rock'n'roll. 

1000
00:52:33,310 --> 00:52:36,790
Glam or grunge? 
Glam or grunge. 

1001
00:52:36,790 --> 00:52:38,630
I'm going to have to go glam, I 
think. 

1002
00:52:38,630 --> 00:52:42,170
I think so. 
Too skinny or boyfriends skinny?

1003
00:52:42,770 --> 00:52:49,850
Trendo style style. 
Pattern or plain plain cashmere 

1004
00:52:49,850 --> 00:52:52,690
or cotton? 
That's the really weather 

1005
00:52:52,690 --> 00:52:54,210
dependent question there, isn't 
it? 

1006
00:52:54,730 --> 00:52:57,410
Very sensible answer. 
Hoarder or editor? 

1007
00:52:58,570 --> 00:53:01,650
Hoarder. 
Shapewear or sexy lingerie? 

1008
00:53:02,010 --> 00:53:06,890
Sexy lingerie title. 
Stockings, stockings, bikini or 

1009
00:53:06,890 --> 00:53:10,710
one piece? 
Oh, I think I'm my age. 

1010
00:53:10,710 --> 00:53:12,150
I'm more of a one piece girl, 
but I gotta. 

1011
00:53:12,150 --> 00:53:13,790
Oh, I'd buy a lot of bikini 
still. 

1012
00:53:14,990 --> 00:53:18,070
Toby or Tracy? 
What's Tracy? 

1013
00:53:18,510 --> 00:53:19,270
Phillip. 
Tracy. 

1014
00:53:19,750 --> 00:53:22,910
Oh, you're you're compatriot. 
Oh, of course then, Phillip. 

1015
00:53:22,910 --> 00:53:26,230
Yes. 
And finally, one last question. 

1016
00:53:26,230 --> 00:53:29,350
At the end of the day, what do 
you or don't you wear in bed? 

1017
00:53:30,710 --> 00:53:33,230
It depends on the weather as 
well or who's in the house. 

1018
00:53:33,590 --> 00:53:36,240
If there's someone else in the 
house, like if the children in 

1019
00:53:36,240 --> 00:53:38,920
the house, I'll wear something 
to protect them in case someone 

1020
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:42,840
breaks in, I want to be ready. 
And then if it's if it's just me

1021
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:45,280
and and my partner, it's 
nothing. 

1022
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:51,560
Lisa, what a wonderful romp 
through your style journey. 

1023
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:53,720
So that was really good. 
Fun, great fun. 

1024
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,840
And finally, finally one last 
question. 

1025
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:59,840
If you had a style question to 
ask me, what would it be? 

1026
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:04,360
What do you think is the staple 
in the future? 

1027
00:54:06,460 --> 00:54:10,740
I think Denim will always be 
with us. 

1028
00:54:10,980 --> 00:54:12,500
Good answer. 
I really do. 

1029
00:54:12,500 --> 00:54:14,580
I don't think there's any 
replacement. 

1030
00:54:14,660 --> 00:54:18,580
Yeah, it's it's just fantastic. 
It's functional. 

1031
00:54:18,580 --> 00:54:21,340
It's cool. 
Yeah, it's great to wear. 

1032
00:54:21,340 --> 00:54:24,900
It's got huge longevity. 
We've got to work out the. 

1033
00:54:25,540 --> 00:54:29,420
Circularity of it, yeah, but 
it's timeless. 

1034
00:54:29,980 --> 00:54:31,860
Chapeau chapeau chapeau to that 
one. 

1035
00:54:32,250 --> 00:54:33,250
Thank you. 
You're so much. 

1036
00:54:33,330 --> 00:54:33,930
Thank you.