Today, I'm going on a sub toriel Journey with Lisa Armstrong.
Lisa is the telegraph's head of fashion.
She began her career in fashion at Vogue.
She's written for novels as an honorary doctorate from the
University of Arts in London and was awarded an Obe in 2022 for
services to Fashion. But for me, Lisa has an innate
Knack of fusing fashion. It's with a woman's perspective,
helpful stylish, yet. Attainable advice, I've known
Lisa. My whole career will just worked
out. Probably - a year as a fashion
editor that she is, but today's conversation allows me the
opportunity to turn the tables and be one the one asking the
questions. So, very welcome.
Lisa. You always said that growing up
in Dorset in the 70s that fashion really didn't exist
there. So how did you Ooh, come to form
your style. God.
I wonder if peoples endorse it thing.
I was insulting them. I wasn't it was absolutely
Blissful growing up without fashion in a way because there
was no pressure. Botch.
Oh okay. So my mother gave me a book when
I was about 15 called the women. We wanted to look like it's just
quite enough title but it was written by this woman called
Bridget, Bridget Keenan, who I many years later found out had
worked at Sunday times in the 60s.
As a fashion editor. She was such a good writer.
Anyway, the room we wanted to look like spanned all these
socialize. I didn't know what a socialite
was. But from like the 1920s, through
to current times which then sends the 70s.
So you had everybody from sort of Nancy Cunard in there to all
these debutantes to right through to black power.
That was, you know, just coming through in the 70s, Bianca
Jagger. And I was mesmerized.
I was mesmerized by those women, like sort of Italian Countess
has quit the crispy family and I never said, never seen women
like this. They really were stylish but
also the copy that went with, it made made it, you know, I can
remember everything that Bridget wrote actually and the details.
And I remember her talking about the legs of those Italian women
at some fashion show, she had gone to in the 70s and they were
absolutely hairless and they were there was none of that
chicken skin that you sometimes get with our spirits.
And I just see Tiny details like that that just brought it all so
much life anyway so that sort of got me going loved Clothes
shops, second hand, because really, that's what we did.
That's what we did. And also their work.
There were some clothes shops in Dorchester near where I grew up,
but they were not very good. So anyway, what I mean, actually
I think there were good shots. Sorry.
I think they were very nice. My mother said to me of the day,
they weren't a very nice shops but older wealthy women.
But for young girls, there wasn't anything really rubbish.
Sort of there was millets which I liked, you know, which was the
out with band and then there were the s.
Ups and no Miss Selfridge indulged in my God.
No, don't do as a tiny Market Town.
Know you could probably buy really good tractors and things
but no Miss, I'm nothing and really functional kit from
millets millets was good. Well, because if you remember in
the 70s, there was a time when we were all wearing those
secondhand Tweed coat and sort of Army Surplus, you could get
that in millets. That's probably where are my
first? My formative years were and
also, I remember there was a, there was In our village, which
was very beautiful Village, but there was a big that was the
big, the big house, you know, like a mini stately and the girl
who lived there, the woman. I mean, she was a 1819.
She was very stylish and called Caroline.
I think. And she said to me, my mother,
my sister Teresa likes clothes and kinds have will come and
look at my clothes, and I will rid of them, and she had
amazing. She had a lot of sort of Bieber
like things, and so I took stack of those.
So I think It's combined with like seventies take on the 30s
and I still love that. So that's where I didn't know
that you could make a living in fashion.
Obviously, I knew nothing and I went off to University and did
my English and French literature degree and then got a job in
journalism and my second job was on L and it had just started and
it was very cool. And I remember these amazing
fashion loose Under Chambers was there Debbie Mason.
They were sort of tutus and Yohji Yamamoto jackets like
never seen anything but totally inspiring, very inspiring and
also traveling all the time and I thought, hmm.
I'd like some of that, not the tutors, I knew I couldn't do
that but it just seemed really fun and fashion seemed so
interesting. And so then I got a job on Vogue
and that was where I really started to write about fashion.
Because I think it was literally somebody had left.
If time list of Barrister, then fashion at the, then
editor-in-chief the solute, it was like the Chorus Line.
She said, you li see you over there in the corner.
Would you like to write some fashion?
It was an extraordinary world. Then.
Yeah, it was great because also I because I knew nothing, I had
no fear. So, you know, years later when I
still even now I hear about Newly appointed editors of
magazines who of get very wound up about what they're going to
wear to the shows and they get their fashion directors to do
Polaroids of, you know, the whole that was going to be my
next question, have that fear? I was so dumb, I just turned up
in things that I liked, but when do you feel you sort of
established the Lisa style? I don't know if there is what at
there is a picture I've got of me when I was 15 and I'm wearing
pretty much what I still love to wear, which is A white silky
blouse, it wouldn't have been real silk and some corduroy
flares, flat, sandals necklace, still love that.
Look, I always think of you rocking a trouser suit, just
effortlessly. Well, that's very kind of you to
style of a trance. It when, well, I wouldn't have
had trouser suits back then, because I, I don't think they
were such a, you know, obviously something wrong with doing
thing. Then they weren't such thing as
my price level and they definitely Ooh, so when I
started to have a little while when I started earning and when
clothes mattered more in that, you know, profession, they
really matter. So I was a l.
So this would have been 87. I mean, what will we wearing
that? There was a big Japanese
influence. I remember wearing lots of calf
length. Skirts over.
Remain Shilling. Yes.
Loved Romeo Shilling. My magic dress.
How look he hung up your life. That was the night as I loved
Helmut Lang and I did have a Helmut Lang trouser suit, but I
don't know because British publishing on magazines, was
always so badly. Paid, I I never bought that
much. I mean, it was Very stirring,
courted by designers and given wonderful things or high was
announced and no I mean, yes we got discount I wasn't cause I
was really low down the pecking order you know when in that area
that you're talking about. So yes, the the fashion
directors would have been courted but not me no.
I mean I what we used to be able to do is pre-order.
So riff at us back. That was the thing, we all loved
and weird so the season time So after the show straight after
the show, they would be a sort of window of about two weeks
where you could go in and pre-order and it would arrive
six months left. I mean, it's ridiculous.
Wait, wait, I wish you liked it. You didn't like it.
And also, you probably haven't tried it on half the time and
just because the models eyes must have been.
Yeah. And it was just really, really
no. I mean like mistakes were made,
definitely mistakes were made and a lot of oh my God.
Is that how much I've spent? And I don't like Kit and lots of
negotiations with. Can I send it back and know you
can't? So that was that was the early
days and thank God is all, I can say that.
There's not a lot of photographic evidence around
from that era because as the certainly is now, the sun is now
you've, you know, but I suppose the other side of their being
loads of pictures. Now is that you do, learn, you
really learn from them. Don't you?
And you learn what works for you.
Exactly. I mean, one question, I am
fascinated. To ask is the pressure on a
fashion editor, you're going to, what?
Possibly all you were prepend pattern.
What 80 shows twice, he isn't. Yeah.
And then there's and then the impact the culture, and then the
catch. And then they started adding
your beads Cruz shows on. So how how as a professional in
the, you know, when I, when I researched.
Okay, so when I was a rookie at Vogue, I remember, Sarah Jane
Hall, who was this incredible? She's passionate Magical.
She was so much a part and so stylish and wonderful.
And also, sometimes horrible. I remember she said to me once
we're in Paris and so do God, I don't seem to packed very well
and she said you who's going to be looking at you?
And I as our yes, ouch. But she was damn, right.
I was like in the fifth row back in those days and it's like who
was going to be looking at me and I think I've always kept a
bit of that as an actually years later.
When I, you know, When I was front row and I remember I said
I'd see pictures of myself online and also it's there would
be weird things. Like there, be illustrators and
they'd send you illustrations that they're done with you or
somebody would send you a picture that's interview and
then I started thinking holy cow.
Yeah, people do Sarah Jane. People do see what I'm wearing
but Even now, you know, when there's so much around there's
there many more people that put themselves out there more that
you can look. You can put yourself out there
to be photographed all the time by wearing major looks, but
that's not what I've ever wanted to do.
And it's not because I'm saying modest or an amazing person, but
it is at its takes a lot of time.
It's a type of person I nowadays.
I like all my peers. I get loads of emails before the
show saying, you know, what would you like to borrow?
Can we dress you? But I, you know, it's very nice
to them, but I don't want to To. I just like to wear clothes that
I feel really comfortable in and I don't want to wear a look and
also I'm quite small. So everything would have to be
old is no. So you pack for yourself you I
do. Right.
How do you do the night before to be able to do that?
I'm sure you and I did get it right all the time.
But so this is an average day the night so we go to Milan
Classically. We'd get that 920 British
Airways flight to man. I don't even know if it's still
going at the moment because of the pandemic they cut back.
So apparently there's just a 755 which is e.
Kim Possible evil. Right?
So the Tuesday before, am I planning my wardrobe?
No, I'm desperately scurrying around still seeing the last few
shows at Fashion Week and then doing all the pages in the, in
the telegraph, for the Wednesday and, you know, leaving the
office at 7:00 at night, getting home, feeling quite shattered
and thinking, Oh yeah, I got a pack but but I sort of think.
Well if it's five days, how many dinners, you know, are there any
like black tie event sort of thing?
I'm not that they're really called black tie in fashion man.
But you know, what are the events?
What do they what are the days? Well they might just say George
was having a dinner in his pellets or something you know
and then you know. Oh yeah.
Okay. That's I'm not going to be
wearing jeans to that although some people What part?
Where parents are amazing. Gucci embroidered jeans.
What's your go-to look? It was my go-to.
I know the dress code. I like very minimalist.
Okay. So, you know, a trouser suit
would be absolutely fabulous because then you can just throw
on some jewelry and some heels. Yeah, that's my go-to.
I like very minimalist. Drapey dresses.
I don't tend to do little black dress.
Because black doesn't look that good on me, but I'd happily do a
little white dress, a little red dress each thing.
It's definitely an age thing, but it's also it never did
really suit me. I just not the coloring for it.
Yeah. But yes, as an age thing I think
black can be really draining as you get older, honey.
I fight. Yeah I've worn so much black,
all my life and suddenly well here I am and it's interesting
because you've got such amazing blond hair.
I would have called you might. Well, you could lift.
The blonde are you could lift the black No, for me, not as
shit is funny because in March I went to New York to Ralph Lauren
was having his first catwalk show in two years and, you know,
I love a real shh. So old school.
And as this, so they're wonderful and afterwards.
He took the whole of the Polo Bar which he owns over.
And it was just like, oh, you know, I'm in a, I'm in a sort
of, Cary Grant, New York movie type of thing.
Dorothy Parker. And But absolute, the whole show
was monochrome, right? And all the guests were in
monochrome, even Anna Wintour was in black and white.
I hadn't got that memo and I was in a pink trouser suit and I
just live happiness, you stood, I was find a but I honestly, I
was fine about it because I loved my trouser suit.
And, you know, no one had told me that there was, I don't think
they're told me and it says the hotel and look at your
invitation again. I don't know, I didn't actually
because I know Just too tired and it was all over by them.
But I did say to people what's their black women.
She said, well, I don't think there was but I think I think
that there might have been pretty American anyway.
I was like that, you know, that famous cartoon is it, but H
Bateman the only person who I was the only person not in black
and white but it's endless. I have to see a color picture of
that's fine. And I think they probably cut me
out of if they did any panoramas, they've cut me out
because everything else was just beautiful.
Monochrome. So anyway that so I don't wear a
lot of black and white but I do, you know, I love a pair of black
trousers and I have got a fabulous McQueen tuxedo, which.
But you see those tuxedos are different cuz they're very, very
tailored and you really have structured you to be structured
and you really have to sit up straight and you've got to wear
the heels with it and the most of the time, I'm Going to slouch
your trouser suit but I like the many, which wait.
So do you find your body language changes when you put on
something with such structure, definitely.
And also, I am very conscious of my posture because I discovered
very belatedly that I've got some mild scoliosis and I never
understood my mind. Walk was so weird.
And people as you say to me, you trying to be a model because I
was through my hips for but that's how I naturally walk.
Never mind. Well, I cuz I now paranoid about
my Otter and I do tons of Pilates and she's always saying
to me, it sounds like this and we like this and so you actually
don't you think pause as we get older?
Definitely, sure. And I wouldn't know and I always
recommend Pilar time. It's boring because everyone
recommends Pilates, but I think posture is what ages people to
bring more than practically anything else, my mom.
Okay, so my mom is 82 and because she's always been a sort
of very enthusiastic I'm an opera singer.
She has amazing posture. So that breathing and having to
open up your chest. And she look so youthful, me,
she doesn't have any work done. She doesn't really very often
wear makeup, but she looks incredible and I'm very aware
now, especially when I go into my office at the telegram of how
badly be all slump in front of our computers, my computer's.
It's really, yeah, I have this theory that good posture and a
bright smile can take years of You totally agree.
Yes. Yeah, yeah.
Those are my things. I don't really I'm not really
bothered about wrinkles. And yeah, I am probably bothered
about white hair silver hair because I did try and go gray.
I was going to say. Yeah.
So gone a bit by the board. The, the hair thing is it's a
big moment for any woman. I think because I look at my
wife, I think you're very lucky because again, the blond I think
that's very easy to keep up. I think when you're not easy,
but what I mean is When you were brunette, then you can start to
go silver or gray. I've got, you know, friends who
every sort inmate, they sort of. Oh my God, the hairdresser made
me too dark. I think that's a very common
thing. Whereas, with blond you can sort
of let the silver come through a bit, it doesn't really show so
much or you can just keep on being blond.
But then, there's that moment of okay.
Do I just embrace the gray, but I tried to embrace the gray and
I quite liked it, but My lovely hairdresser said she liked it
but then one day I came out and I wasn't you won't go anywhere.
I think I am when I sweep it back but not so much when it's
down. Looks it's good you know.
It's yeah. Go with the flow but you've been
off chemicals actually. Yeah.
You've been a fashion critic. Yeah many years but I haven't
noticed that your approach to Fashion commentaries is much
more about you being a woman now.
What you need, what we need and want and feel in our clothes and
I find that really inspiring. Oh good.
What? To be honest at the partly.
That's the response to to the digital landscape that we're all
in now because we can see exactly how many people are
reading an article and how long they read it for and I mean and
sometimes analytic. Yeah the analytics the I resign
and before we were in Blissful ignorance, It's we just didn't
know that never was reading, or jig us.
All and I've got what we got. But the average, the average
read, I mean, actually, to be honest I know this from across
the board because I do speak to my colleagues on other
Publications and you know a straight review.
There's not many people who want to read endless reviews, it
feels quite dry. Now to compared to, I think the
industry's fascinated the in decide what the industry's semi
fascinated. They only read their own
reviews, so says. So anyway, that's what's about
thinking. Well, you know, what would I
want to be at the other thing I think about fashion is that
you've got these Mega Brands now, like Gucci and Chanel and
we Tone If you think about what they do and it's wonderful, I
died. Like, I absolutely love Gucci.
But, you know, he sort of does similar things each season.
So, and as the Chanel added a sweeter and actually it's a
beautiful, even it's fabulous, but But your itemized.
Oh and yet again, Gucci. Did, you know, an eclectic look
of a tweed jacket and some secret nails and shouted about
later. So you've got to make it, you've
got to always think what's to take out from for a, you know, a
sort of average person. What would I want to know about
that show? I'd want to know what the issues
are, what can I wear? What should I be buying?
Next Tyson. I love that.
I mean, I've noticed also. So, you're you model quite a few
of the looks that you talked about.
I think that's fantastic. I hate.
How does it feel horrible? I hate him, doesn't show and no,
because because the other thing I thought you just said about
smile is so true. I've realized I really think
that the design is missing a trick when they tell the models
to look you know, grumpy because If I don't smile in the
pictures, I look 100. And if I do smile, it's all fine
because it's sort of waking everything up.
So that's why I look really cheerful in those pictures.
I'm not necessarily feeling that show for comment but I never
forget my belated departed. Father always used to come to
the shows and he had that was lovely darling.
But why couldn't the model smile?
That's probably the comment. We get most often at the
telegraph from the readers as the grumpy more poor crumb
people. I mean they I told to look like
that. Absolutely yes.
So so model. Yes I think the industry has
changed so much so when I got my job as a fashion writer but what
a place to start, you know, it was so you didn't interpolate
yourself into an article at all. You won't even see it was
discouraged to use the first person.
Yes. So you had to be this sort of
wonderful voice of berg but there was there was this very
sophisticated tone, but I think the idea was that it didn't
matter if Lisa was writing at or Sarah was writing up or Joe.
Bloggs is writing, it was the Vogue voice.
Yeah, your own voice. Whereas now, we've stated to the
point where we have, you know, all my peers.
We will have to sort of twirl around in clothes and be
instagramming ourselves and doing reels, and God knows we
have to be. It's another, the star of RSVPs.
It's another, and it's for a different kind of person, so,
Those are the challenges. Yes, but I think it's
demystified fashion to a degree and I think there's something
really Charming about that. Yes, well, good.
Okay. On another note what makes a
style icon? Oh gosh.
Well, that's called that's a difficult question, isn't it?
I mean, I think it's very different from.
I mean my style icon might not be your style icon.
I think death Italy a streak of individuality but you know, I
was just writing about this yesterday.
In fact, you know, the way this idea of originality, it really
is such a red herring because, you know, I remember when Sienna
Miller was first on the scene and they're all these articles
saying oh she's copied Kate Moss but you know Kate Moss carrot
copied Marianne Faithfull and Brigitte Bardot.
And you know, Bardot probably got her look from what was
already out there. So I so I think there's there's
engineer, what? It's the right outfit meets the
right person as well. And I think and I think it's
someone really owning it. It's someone they say, oh my
gosh, where she would be Of my, she'd be on my my Pinterest.
Yes, absolutely love her style fact.
I think Sienna Miller's sort of. Now what she has now is that
she's definitely in in the, in the things she just did for
Netflix could have gotten the name of it, the Scandal and I
should be able to go and actually the sky.
Yes, it was very Karen beset. I but I think, you know, it's
like that it's like when you buy the thing that you've loved on
your friend or somebody, You've seen in a magazine and it
doesn't quite work, but it is, it's right outfit, right person
and I you know I you see beautiful clothes that don't
look good on certain people and you see things that shouldn't
work. Look amazing on people.
It's so difficult. You just know it when you see it
and as I say, it's very different from, you know, I'm
Kim Kardashian has a style icon from millions of people.
It's she doesn't do it for me. But that doesn't, you know, that
doesn't negate what she is. Do you think there's anyone
current current celebrity that will stand the test of time and
be very good question. She tore the Carolyn batter tour
of the of the future. Yes, I do.
I mean I think I think, I think I find Karen to make grow very,
very stylish. I mean, there's loads of them
to, she really does Channel Parisian, she does.
But, you know, she's got that help shaggy hair in the friend
and she also had an exposure of. Yeah.
She has six foot. Yes.
Think of someone small was siena's guys.
So yeah. Listen machine and I think she's
got great style and I think there are tons of really stylish
but I think when you look on Instagram now and you see women
who are not, you know, they're not famous but they've just Got
great stuff. There's a woman called Marie
Donnelly, who is you only see her on her own Instagram?
It might even be a private account but she's Marine must be
in her late 60's, early 70's. I think she is probably the most
stylish woman in Britain. I mean, she's wealthy but my God
the way she wears clothes and she wear very tailored Adam or
whatever. And then she'll wear some sort
of You know, 1940s turban or something.
She just pulls it together in an incredible way.
I think she's done is chasing her.
Yeah. Maybe okay.
So it gets you show in Puglia two days ago, there was a woman
and that is quite a name dropper.
I know sorry about fashion. There was a woman that mean
everyone at that show in the audience.
I thought I loved the way I love what he does because it really
is saying to everybody. And what can well, whatever you
want from, whatever are and mix it all up.
Be a boy and a girl's out for a girl in a boy's life and
whatever it's fine. You know, it's owning it.
As you said there was one, there were so many great.
Looks, but there was one woman in what and the sort of a
librarian skirt and you know, like a Rosie, the riveters, you
know, the Hair Bow and thing and Louise Brooks Bob, the whole
thing could have looked a little bit frumpy, but then she had
these tutus up her arms. I'm not a great tool of of but
to just start hopeful look the whole look.
God, she was owning that, and it was so create.
I just think he he, empowers people To be creative and to
really just love, whatever they're wearing.
I think it's so good. It's really inspiring.
And I think he's had a massive effect on the whole upcycle.
Recycle. Yeah.
Secondhand would you ever wear rented?
I I have worn it for articles and I definitely, yes, I would
wear it for special occasions, for sure.
I cannot I don't have the time for the admin.
It for every day. And I don't think I need it for
every day because I've got a full wardrobe but for special
occasions. Definitely.
I mean I realized of course is a fashion editor.
I've been renting for years for special occasions without
actually any money to exchanging hands because because we all
borrow we are called the designers up and say, can I wear
this to the awards or whatever? So for sure, I don't what I've
realized is that I don't need to own.
As much as I thought I did. And, you know, I wish there was
a time when I would be looking through matches or net-a-porter,
whatever for work. But also, you know, the
boundaries of crossing for myself.
And I love that and I love that and I want that I need that but
as you can look at things and love them and you don't have to
have them just enjoy looking at them.
Absolutely. Do you think that's an age thing
though? Yes but I also think it is a
it's the time where I think we all you know stuffication we all
have a lot of things and you know, even if you're young,
you've had, you know. 28, you've had 10 or 14 years of Zara fast
fashion boohoo, whatever you probably acquired a lot of
stuff. And I do want to ask you what's
your approach to sustainable fashion in terms of a
acquisition. Be how do you get rid of this,
in terms of sustainability? I mean, I've just got, this is a
terrible thing to say for the interview but I just buy a lot
less. And, and I it's a great thing to
say, See ya, maybe there. Is that that real tension
between? Actually, we all need to.
Yes, the other thing I do is the when I decide I really want
something, you know, whether it's I feel like as Chanel esque
little tweed jacket. I always now go to these, you
know, the resale sites first and see if I can find something on
there. And it's exciting.
I like that because it takes you a long time to find what you
want. And sometimes you don't find
what you want and it's fine but also the fun of the hunt, fun of
the hunt, it totally and bags. I think.
Now, I mean, I'm very lucky because, you know, I've got a
lot of Handbags and fashion editors.
Do we do get given handbags? So I sort of feel if I ever was.
So if I really did want another designer handbag, I would
definitely, I would Have to buy a second hand.
One, what would it be? Well really, it wouldn't be
armed as I'm sorry. I'm love Hermes, but I don't
want it broken or a Kelly and I've got she now.
I don't know what it would be at might be.
There are so many I might be a worthy.
I love. Delaware V bags, actually.
And they've got one that they make with the scraps of old
love. I love that.
You know, like the basket one, it's not, it's not a woven part.
It's a woven leather bag and I think it's really clever.
And I love the upcycling, something I like the shape of
that as well. You ever when you're getting
dressed in the morning, think about the person that actually
made the shirt. You're wearing, oh, what a good.
A jacket, and you love probably not as much as I should.
I mean, some, you know, I've had things made for me and I've got
some, I've got some Savile Row trouser suits and I, yeah, every
time I put this on, I think about the guy says something
really, it's amazing. Sort of real conscious and then
I've got some items are, there's a leather brand called Stella
Willits, a bag brand. And, you know, they send you the
person who made that bag and I do think about that, but yeah, I
think there's something Charming also about beautiful pashmina as
that are often woven and India and I always used to have them
sort of dyed to match the collection and I always asked
for the Weaver to embroider their initial.
That's a minute, just in tiny thread and I love that.
Yeah, that is very that beautiful piece.
Hopefully you'll have it for the rest of your life, and your and
the Weaver is sort of with you and part of that Journey.
Mmm, something really lovely about that.
Yeah, and it's very nice. When you do wear second-hand
clothes, thinking about the history of that item and where
it's been, I always thought that we up cycled some Army Parker's.
And I remember that in tourism. Yeah, and that those to me were
and still are can really special because you sort of think God
this could have saved life, will been through a war or yeah, I
know. Has its own such as so powerful
and I think, In this country and maybe other countries to there's
a real tendency to people very puritanical about clothes and
they say, oh yes but fashion is so trivial but we all get
dressed. And we all think of 90% of
people, if not more, think about what they put on mourning, that
is the precise thesis behind. There's no past everyone,
whether you're in fashion or not, it's what we put on between
our naked selves in the exactly. It's the membrane.
Isn't it between you and all the stuff out there?
It's your armor. It's your sort of blank, Asian
your cocooning. I just I think people really
kidding themselves when they say that clothes don't matter and I
think it maybe they got to a point where the clouds don't
matter but if the clothes did Magic but they might it would
they're missing out on a real pleasure.
God. I love getting dressed every
morning. It's fun and but also I think
it's a real mood elevator. Yeah.
And he quickly if you put the
wrong thing on it's like it's slightly dampens your day.
Do you find you still have those like that ever?
Yeah, I think definitely getting the weather wrong, sometimes or
shoes. I mean, that's the other thing
you put on a pair of shoes because I lived it like
everyone. I lived in Trainers for three
years and now, I'm sort of just wearing my wardrobe again and
like not huge heels, but fabulous to read it is for the
ones who wanted to really wobbly and the Driving me nuts.
And okay. So honestly, How many pairs of
shoes do you own? Oh, a lot along first up.
Oh, I have 50 60. I mean, not hundreds, but a lot
and I actually, honestly, don't where I I do, you know, often
think I must call this but they look so beautiful.
They are, I have wrote a couple of rows.
I have to say, laid out in my bathroom because actually, I
love how they look. Yes, and I'm lucky you know I've
got a few pairs of manolos and I don't get rid of them because
even if I only ever wear them once a year they just so
fabulous when you do wear them little pieces of.
Yeah gorgeous. I'm going to ask you some quick
fire questions. Are you ready?
Yes. High-end or High Street.
Both lingle bear. Both minimalism will maximalism
minimalism cultural charity shop.
Well, you know, in my dreams could chew Crocs cute, little
puke, puke sneakers or stilettos, both skinnies or
boyfriends for me boyfriend. Yeah, but Econo boho boho but
actually sorry. I don't like I can't wear boho
but I'm not wearing body. Econ either so neither Glam or
grunge then grammar can I do another fashion red carpet or
relaxed relaxed Trend or Style Style Party World PJs.
PJ's that you can wear to a party or love that I know most
of the answers to these for you, which is great color or
monochrome. Color.
But in a controlled way, that no blame or plain experimental or
uniform, well, I think you have to experiment to get your
uniform, very good answer, cashmere cotton, both vintage or
rental. Probably for me, it would be
vintage recycled up cycled. Very good quite well, it
depends. What is I mean, if I ever found
Chanel culture in a, in a shop, I wouldn't be, I wouldn't need
to upcycle it. Shapewear, all sexy, lingerie,
shapewear. And finally, one, very last
question. At the end of the day, what do
you or? Don't you hop into bed in?
Oh, I love, I love pajamas. I love gorgeous pajamas.
Yeah, yeah. Well on that very Happy
insightful note Lisa. I'm from it's been such a
pleasure to just say action. Yeah.
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