1 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:10,100 Today, I'm going on a sub toriel Journey with Lisa Armstrong. 2 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:12,400 Lisa is the telegraph's head of fashion. 3 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:15,400 She began her career in fashion at Vogue. 4 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:18,900 She's written for novels as an honorary doctorate from the 5 00:00:18,900 --> 00:00:23,200 University of Arts in London and was awarded an Obe in 2022 for 6 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:27,400 services to Fashion. But for me, Lisa has an innate 7 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:31,500 Knack of fusing fashion. It's with a woman's perspective, 8 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:35,000 helpful stylish, yet. Attainable advice, I've known 9 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:37,000 Lisa. My whole career will just worked 10 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:40,200 out. Probably - a year as a fashion 11 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:44,100 editor that she is, but today's conversation allows me the 12 00:00:44,100 --> 00:00:47,400 opportunity to turn the tables and be one the one asking the 13 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:51,700 questions. So, very welcome. 14 00:00:52,900 --> 00:00:54,300 Lisa. You always said that growing up 15 00:00:54,300 --> 00:00:58,300 in Dorset in the 70s that fashion really didn't exist 16 00:00:58,300 --> 00:01:01,100 there. So how did you Ooh, come to form 17 00:01:01,100 --> 00:01:02,800 your style. God. 18 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:05,200 I wonder if peoples endorse it thing. 19 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:07,500 I was insulting them. I wasn't it was absolutely 20 00:01:07,500 --> 00:01:09,400 Blissful growing up without fashion in a way because there 21 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:14,200 was no pressure. Botch. 22 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:18,100 Oh okay. So my mother gave me a book when 23 00:01:18,100 --> 00:01:22,600 I was about 15 called the women. We wanted to look like it's just 24 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:26,600 quite enough title but it was written by this woman called 25 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:32,500 Bridget, Bridget Keenan, who I many years later found out had 26 00:01:32,500 --> 00:01:34,800 worked at Sunday times in the 60s. 27 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,800 As a fashion editor. She was such a good writer. 28 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,600 Anyway, the room we wanted to look like spanned all these 29 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:42,500 socialize. I didn't know what a socialite 30 00:01:42,500 --> 00:01:47,800 was. But from like the 1920s, through 31 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:50,400 to current times which then sends the 70s. 32 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:54,300 So you had everybody from sort of Nancy Cunard in there to all 33 00:01:54,300 --> 00:01:57,300 these debutantes to right through to black power. 34 00:01:57,300 --> 00:02:00,500 That was, you know, just coming through in the 70s, Bianca 35 00:02:00,500 --> 00:02:02,300 Jagger. And I was mesmerized. 36 00:02:02,300 --> 00:02:08,100 I was mesmerized by those women, like sort of Italian Countess 37 00:02:08,100 --> 00:02:12,600 has quit the crispy family and I never said, never seen women 38 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:14,800 like this. They really were stylish but 39 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:18,200 also the copy that went with, it made made it, you know, I can 40 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:21,300 remember everything that Bridget wrote actually and the details. 41 00:02:21,700 --> 00:02:25,200 And I remember her talking about the legs of those Italian women 42 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,800 at some fashion show, she had gone to in the 70s and they were 43 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,100 absolutely hairless and they were there was none of that 44 00:02:30,100 --> 00:02:34,500 chicken skin that you sometimes get with our spirits. 45 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:38,600 And I just see Tiny details like that that just brought it all so 46 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:43,800 much life anyway so that sort of got me going loved Clothes 47 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:46,700 shops, second hand, because really, that's what we did. 48 00:02:46,700 --> 00:02:49,400 That's what we did. And also their work. 49 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,800 There were some clothes shops in Dorchester near where I grew up, 50 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:57,200 but they were not very good. So anyway, what I mean, actually 51 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:58,700 I think there were good shots. Sorry. 52 00:02:58,700 --> 00:03:01,300 I think they were very nice. My mother said to me of the day, 53 00:03:01,300 --> 00:03:03,900 they weren't a very nice shops but older wealthy women. 54 00:03:03,900 --> 00:03:07,600 But for young girls, there wasn't anything really rubbish. 55 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,700 Sort of there was millets which I liked, you know, which was the 56 00:03:10,700 --> 00:03:13,300 out with band and then there were the s. 57 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:17,500 Ups and no Miss Selfridge indulged in my God. 58 00:03:17,500 --> 00:03:20,200 No, don't do as a tiny Market Town. 59 00:03:20,500 --> 00:03:23,300 Know you could probably buy really good tractors and things 60 00:03:23,300 --> 00:03:27,100 but no Miss, I'm nothing and really functional kit from 61 00:03:27,100 --> 00:03:29,400 millets millets was good. Well, because if you remember in 62 00:03:29,408 --> 00:03:31,400 the 70s, there was a time when we were all wearing those 63 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,900 secondhand Tweed coat and sort of Army Surplus, you could get 64 00:03:34,900 --> 00:03:37,700 that in millets. That's probably where are my 65 00:03:37,700 --> 00:03:40,800 first? My formative years were and 66 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:44,700 also, I remember there was a, there was In our village, which 67 00:03:44,700 --> 00:03:48,000 was very beautiful Village, but there was a big that was the 68 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:53,000 big, the big house, you know, like a mini stately and the girl 69 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:56,600 who lived there, the woman. I mean, she was a 1819. 70 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:58,900 She was very stylish and called Caroline. 71 00:03:58,900 --> 00:04:01,700 I think. And she said to me, my mother, 72 00:04:01,700 --> 00:04:05,000 my sister Teresa likes clothes and kinds have will come and 73 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:07,800 look at my clothes, and I will rid of them, and she had 74 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,600 amazing. She had a lot of sort of Bieber 75 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:12,700 like things, and so I took stack of those. 76 00:04:12,700 --> 00:04:18,100 So I think It's combined with like seventies take on the 30s 77 00:04:18,500 --> 00:04:22,000 and I still love that. So that's where I didn't know 78 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,100 that you could make a living in fashion. 79 00:04:24,100 --> 00:04:28,300 Obviously, I knew nothing and I went off to University and did 80 00:04:28,300 --> 00:04:31,800 my English and French literature degree and then got a job in 81 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:38,100 journalism and my second job was on L and it had just started and 82 00:04:38,108 --> 00:04:42,100 it was very cool. And I remember these amazing 83 00:04:42,100 --> 00:04:45,800 fashion loose Under Chambers was there Debbie Mason. 84 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:49,700 They were sort of tutus and Yohji Yamamoto jackets like 85 00:04:49,700 --> 00:04:53,500 never seen anything but totally inspiring, very inspiring and 86 00:04:53,500 --> 00:04:55,500 also traveling all the time and I thought, hmm. 87 00:04:55,500 --> 00:04:57,900 I'd like some of that, not the tutors, I knew I couldn't do 88 00:04:57,900 --> 00:05:02,600 that but it just seemed really fun and fashion seemed so 89 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:07,300 interesting. And so then I got a job on Vogue 90 00:05:07,300 --> 00:05:10,100 and that was where I really started to write about fashion. 91 00:05:10,100 --> 00:05:13,200 Because I think it was literally somebody had left. 92 00:05:13,300 --> 00:05:15,800 If time list of Barrister, then fashion at the, then 93 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,000 editor-in-chief the solute, it was like the Chorus Line. 94 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:21,300 She said, you li see you over there in the corner. 95 00:05:21,300 --> 00:05:22,800 Would you like to write some fashion? 96 00:05:23,500 --> 00:05:25,400 It was an extraordinary world. Then. 97 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:28,600 Yeah, it was great because also I because I knew nothing, I had 98 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:33,300 no fear. So, you know, years later when I 99 00:05:33,300 --> 00:05:38,600 still even now I hear about Newly appointed editors of 100 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,900 magazines who of get very wound up about what they're going to 101 00:05:41,900 --> 00:05:44,500 wear to the shows and they get their fashion directors to do 102 00:05:44,500 --> 00:05:47,600 Polaroids of, you know, the whole that was going to be my 103 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:51,800 next question, have that fear? I was so dumb, I just turned up 104 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:55,500 in things that I liked, but when do you feel you sort of 105 00:05:55,500 --> 00:05:59,700 established the Lisa style? I don't know if there is what at 106 00:05:59,700 --> 00:06:02,800 there is a picture I've got of me when I was 15 and I'm wearing 107 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:07,700 pretty much what I still love to wear, which is A white silky 108 00:06:07,700 --> 00:06:10,600 blouse, it wouldn't have been real silk and some corduroy 109 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:16,400 flares, flat, sandals necklace, still love that. 110 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:20,100 Look, I always think of you rocking a trouser suit, just 111 00:06:20,100 --> 00:06:22,000 effortlessly. Well, that's very kind of you to 112 00:06:22,008 --> 00:06:24,200 style of a trance. It when, well, I wouldn't have 113 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:28,200 had trouser suits back then, because I, I don't think they 114 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:31,300 were such a, you know, obviously something wrong with doing 115 00:06:31,300 --> 00:06:33,300 thing. Then they weren't such thing as 116 00:06:33,300 --> 00:06:37,500 my price level and they definitely Ooh, so when I 117 00:06:37,900 --> 00:06:43,700 started to have a little while when I started earning and when 118 00:06:43,700 --> 00:06:47,000 clothes mattered more in that, you know, profession, they 119 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:48,300 really matter. So I was a l. 120 00:06:48,300 --> 00:06:53,200 So this would have been 87. I mean, what will we wearing 121 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:54,500 that? There was a big Japanese 122 00:06:54,500 --> 00:06:56,400 influence. I remember wearing lots of calf 123 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:58,700 length. Skirts over. 124 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:00,400 Remain Shilling. Yes. 125 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:02,400 Loved Romeo Shilling. My magic dress. 126 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:05,100 How look he hung up your life. That was the night as I loved 127 00:07:05,100 --> 00:07:11,200 Helmut Lang and I did have a Helmut Lang trouser suit, but I 128 00:07:11,500 --> 00:07:14,800 don't know because British publishing on magazines, was 129 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:20,500 always so badly. Paid, I I never bought that 130 00:07:20,500 --> 00:07:22,500 much. I mean, it was Very stirring, 131 00:07:22,500 --> 00:07:27,000 courted by designers and given wonderful things or high was 132 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:30,500 announced and no I mean, yes we got discount I wasn't cause I 133 00:07:30,500 --> 00:07:34,100 was really low down the pecking order you know when in that area 134 00:07:34,100 --> 00:07:36,900 that you're talking about. So yes, the the fashion 135 00:07:36,900 --> 00:07:41,400 directors would have been courted but not me no. 136 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:44,400 I mean I what we used to be able to do is pre-order. 137 00:07:44,700 --> 00:07:48,300 So riff at us back. That was the thing, we all loved 138 00:07:48,300 --> 00:07:54,500 and weird so the season time So after the show straight after 139 00:07:54,500 --> 00:07:58,200 the show, they would be a sort of window of about two weeks 140 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:01,200 where you could go in and pre-order and it would arrive 141 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:03,500 six months left. I mean, it's ridiculous. 142 00:08:03,500 --> 00:08:07,100 Wait, wait, I wish you liked it. You didn't like it. 143 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:10,400 And also, you probably haven't tried it on half the time and 144 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:12,500 just because the models eyes must have been. 145 00:08:12,700 --> 00:08:14,300 Yeah. And it was just really, really 146 00:08:14,300 --> 00:08:16,300 no. I mean like mistakes were made, 147 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:19,500 definitely mistakes were made and a lot of oh my God. 148 00:08:19,500 --> 00:08:23,500 Is that how much I've spent? And I don't like Kit and lots of 149 00:08:23,500 --> 00:08:26,700 negotiations with. Can I send it back and know you 150 00:08:26,700 --> 00:08:29,900 can't? So that was that was the early 151 00:08:29,900 --> 00:08:32,200 days and thank God is all, I can say that. 152 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:35,100 There's not a lot of photographic evidence around 153 00:08:35,100 --> 00:08:39,200 from that era because as the certainly is now, the sun is now 154 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:42,200 you've, you know, but I suppose the other side of their being 155 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:44,900 loads of pictures. Now is that you do, learn, you 156 00:08:44,900 --> 00:08:46,300 really learn from them. Don't you? 157 00:08:46,300 --> 00:08:48,000 And you learn what works for you. 158 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,800 Exactly. I mean, one question, I am 159 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:54,500 fascinated. To ask is the pressure on a 160 00:08:54,500 --> 00:08:57,300 fashion editor, you're going to, what? 161 00:08:57,500 --> 00:09:00,300 Possibly all you were prepend pattern. 162 00:09:00,700 --> 00:09:03,500 What 80 shows twice, he isn't. Yeah. 163 00:09:03,500 --> 00:09:06,500 And then there's and then the impact the culture, and then the 164 00:09:06,500 --> 00:09:07,800 catch. And then they started adding 165 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:13,700 your beads Cruz shows on. So how how as a professional in 166 00:09:13,700 --> 00:09:15,500 the, you know, when I, when I researched. 167 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:19,200 Okay, so when I was a rookie at Vogue, I remember, Sarah Jane 168 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:22,100 Hall, who was this incredible? She's passionate Magical. 169 00:09:22,100 --> 00:09:27,000 She was so much a part and so stylish and wonderful. 170 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:30,800 And also, sometimes horrible. I remember she said to me once 171 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,700 we're in Paris and so do God, I don't seem to packed very well 172 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:37,000 and she said you who's going to be looking at you? 173 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,600 And I as our yes, ouch. But she was damn, right. 174 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,200 I was like in the fifth row back in those days and it's like who 175 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:48,000 was going to be looking at me and I think I've always kept a 176 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,700 bit of that as an actually years later. 177 00:09:50,700 --> 00:09:55,600 When I, you know, When I was front row and I remember I said 178 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,700 I'd see pictures of myself online and also it's there would 179 00:09:58,700 --> 00:10:01,300 be weird things. Like there, be illustrators and 180 00:10:01,300 --> 00:10:03,700 they'd send you illustrations that they're done with you or 181 00:10:03,700 --> 00:10:06,300 somebody would send you a picture that's interview and 182 00:10:06,300 --> 00:10:08,400 then I started thinking holy cow. 183 00:10:09,100 --> 00:10:13,000 Yeah, people do Sarah Jane. People do see what I'm wearing 184 00:10:13,300 --> 00:10:18,500 but Even now, you know, when there's so much around there's 185 00:10:18,500 --> 00:10:23,700 there many more people that put themselves out there more that 186 00:10:23,700 --> 00:10:27,500 you can look. You can put yourself out there 187 00:10:27,500 --> 00:10:34,100 to be photographed all the time by wearing major looks, but 188 00:10:34,100 --> 00:10:36,300 that's not what I've ever wanted to do. 189 00:10:36,300 --> 00:10:39,800 And it's not because I'm saying modest or an amazing person, but 190 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:42,400 it is at its takes a lot of time. 191 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:46,000 It's a type of person I nowadays. 192 00:10:46,500 --> 00:10:49,800 I like all my peers. I get loads of emails before the 193 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:52,300 show saying, you know, what would you like to borrow? 194 00:10:52,300 --> 00:10:54,500 Can we dress you? But I, you know, it's very nice 195 00:10:54,500 --> 00:10:58,500 to them, but I don't want to To. I just like to wear clothes that 196 00:10:58,500 --> 00:11:01,800 I feel really comfortable in and I don't want to wear a look and 197 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:03,900 also I'm quite small. So everything would have to be 198 00:11:03,900 --> 00:11:08,600 old is no. So you pack for yourself you I 199 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:09,100 do. Right. 200 00:11:09,900 --> 00:11:19,300 How do you do the night before to be able to do that? 201 00:11:19,900 --> 00:11:22,100 I'm sure you and I did get it right all the time. 202 00:11:22,100 --> 00:11:25,800 But so this is an average day the night so we go to Milan 203 00:11:26,500 --> 00:11:29,500 Classically. We'd get that 920 British 204 00:11:29,500 --> 00:11:31,700 Airways flight to man. I don't even know if it's still 205 00:11:31,700 --> 00:11:34,100 going at the moment because of the pandemic they cut back. 206 00:11:34,100 --> 00:11:37,500 So apparently there's just a 755 which is e. 207 00:11:37,500 --> 00:11:39,300 Kim Possible evil. Right? 208 00:11:39,300 --> 00:11:42,600 So the Tuesday before, am I planning my wardrobe? 209 00:11:42,700 --> 00:11:46,300 No, I'm desperately scurrying around still seeing the last few 210 00:11:46,300 --> 00:11:49,700 shows at Fashion Week and then doing all the pages in the, in 211 00:11:49,700 --> 00:11:52,600 the telegraph, for the Wednesday and, you know, leaving the 212 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:55,600 office at 7:00 at night, getting home, feeling quite shattered 213 00:11:55,600 --> 00:12:00,100 and thinking, Oh yeah, I got a pack but but I sort of think. 214 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:06,100 Well if it's five days, how many dinners, you know, are there any 215 00:12:07,100 --> 00:12:09,300 like black tie event sort of thing? 216 00:12:09,300 --> 00:12:12,200 I'm not that they're really called black tie in fashion man. 217 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:14,400 But you know, what are the events? 218 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:18,100 What do they what are the days? Well they might just say George 219 00:12:18,100 --> 00:12:21,400 was having a dinner in his pellets or something you know 220 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:22,800 and then you know. Oh yeah. 221 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:24,100 Okay. That's I'm not going to be 222 00:12:24,100 --> 00:12:27,100 wearing jeans to that although some people What part? 223 00:12:27,100 --> 00:12:30,400 Where parents are amazing. Gucci embroidered jeans. 224 00:12:31,300 --> 00:12:33,900 What's your go-to look? It was my go-to. 225 00:12:33,900 --> 00:12:40,000 I know the dress code. I like very minimalist. 226 00:12:40,900 --> 00:12:43,100 Okay. So, you know, a trouser suit 227 00:12:43,100 --> 00:12:45,900 would be absolutely fabulous because then you can just throw 228 00:12:45,900 --> 00:12:49,900 on some jewelry and some heels. Yeah, that's my go-to. 229 00:12:49,900 --> 00:12:54,000 I like very minimalist. Drapey dresses. 230 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:56,200 I don't tend to do little black dress. 231 00:12:56,300 --> 00:12:59,200 Because black doesn't look that good on me, but I'd happily do a 232 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:01,400 little white dress, a little red dress each thing. 233 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:05,400 It's definitely an age thing, but it's also it never did 234 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:07,500 really suit me. I just not the coloring for it. 235 00:13:07,500 --> 00:13:10,000 Yeah. But yes, as an age thing I think 236 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:13,000 black can be really draining as you get older, honey. 237 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,200 I fight. Yeah I've worn so much black, 238 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:17,900 all my life and suddenly well here I am and it's interesting 239 00:13:17,900 --> 00:13:20,800 because you've got such amazing blond hair. 240 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:24,200 I would have called you might. Well, you could lift. 241 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:28,300 The blonde are you could lift the black No, for me, not as 242 00:13:28,300 --> 00:13:33,600 shit is funny because in March I went to New York to Ralph Lauren 243 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:38,100 was having his first catwalk show in two years and, you know, 244 00:13:38,100 --> 00:13:40,300 I love a real shh. So old school. 245 00:13:40,300 --> 00:13:42,800 And as this, so they're wonderful and afterwards. 246 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:46,500 He took the whole of the Polo Bar which he owns over. 247 00:13:46,700 --> 00:13:50,900 And it was just like, oh, you know, I'm in a, I'm in a sort 248 00:13:50,900 --> 00:13:53,900 of, Cary Grant, New York movie type of thing. 249 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:58,300 Dorothy Parker. And But absolute, the whole show 250 00:13:58,300 --> 00:14:01,400 was monochrome, right? And all the guests were in 251 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:04,100 monochrome, even Anna Wintour was in black and white. 252 00:14:04,900 --> 00:14:08,700 I hadn't got that memo and I was in a pink trouser suit and I 253 00:14:08,708 --> 00:14:12,400 just live happiness, you stood, I was find a but I honestly, I 254 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:14,800 was fine about it because I loved my trouser suit. 255 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:19,000 And, you know, no one had told me that there was, I don't think 256 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:23,100 they're told me and it says the hotel and look at your 257 00:14:23,100 --> 00:14:25,700 invitation again. I don't know, I didn't actually 258 00:14:25,700 --> 00:14:28,300 because I know Just too tired and it was all over by them. 259 00:14:28,300 --> 00:14:31,100 But I did say to people what's their black women. 260 00:14:31,100 --> 00:14:33,600 She said, well, I don't think there was but I think I think 261 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,400 that there might have been pretty American anyway. 262 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:41,700 I was like that, you know, that famous cartoon is it, but H 263 00:14:41,700 --> 00:14:44,800 Bateman the only person who I was the only person not in black 264 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:48,300 and white but it's endless. I have to see a color picture of 265 00:14:48,300 --> 00:14:51,500 that's fine. And I think they probably cut me 266 00:14:51,500 --> 00:14:54,800 out of if they did any panoramas, they've cut me out 267 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:56,500 because everything else was just beautiful. 268 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:00,300 Monochrome. So anyway that so I don't wear a 269 00:15:00,300 --> 00:15:05,900 lot of black and white but I do, you know, I love a pair of black 270 00:15:05,900 --> 00:15:12,000 trousers and I have got a fabulous McQueen tuxedo, which. 271 00:15:13,900 --> 00:15:16,700 But you see those tuxedos are different cuz they're very, very 272 00:15:16,700 --> 00:15:19,700 tailored and you really have structured you to be structured 273 00:15:19,700 --> 00:15:23,300 and you really have to sit up straight and you've got to wear 274 00:15:23,300 --> 00:15:27,200 the heels with it and the most of the time, I'm Going to slouch 275 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:29,700 your trouser suit but I like the many, which wait. 276 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,500 So do you find your body language changes when you put on 277 00:15:32,500 --> 00:15:35,000 something with such structure, definitely. 278 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:40,100 And also, I am very conscious of my posture because I discovered 279 00:15:40,100 --> 00:15:44,100 very belatedly that I've got some mild scoliosis and I never 280 00:15:44,100 --> 00:15:47,000 understood my mind. Walk was so weird. 281 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:49,400 And people as you say to me, you trying to be a model because I 282 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:52,600 was through my hips for but that's how I naturally walk. 283 00:15:52,900 --> 00:15:56,200 Never mind. Well, I cuz I now paranoid about 284 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:59,300 my Otter and I do tons of Pilates and she's always saying 285 00:15:59,300 --> 00:16:02,900 to me, it sounds like this and we like this and so you actually 286 00:16:02,900 --> 00:16:05,200 don't you think pause as we get older? 287 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:10,900 Definitely, sure. And I wouldn't know and I always 288 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:13,300 recommend Pilar time. It's boring because everyone 289 00:16:13,300 --> 00:16:19,100 recommends Pilates, but I think posture is what ages people to 290 00:16:19,100 --> 00:16:21,200 bring more than practically anything else, my mom. 291 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:25,200 Okay, so my mom is 82 and because she's always been a sort 292 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,600 of very enthusiastic I'm an opera singer. 293 00:16:29,100 --> 00:16:33,500 She has amazing posture. So that breathing and having to 294 00:16:33,500 --> 00:16:35,900 open up your chest. And she look so youthful, me, 295 00:16:35,900 --> 00:16:38,900 she doesn't have any work done. She doesn't really very often 296 00:16:38,900 --> 00:16:42,200 wear makeup, but she looks incredible and I'm very aware 297 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:45,900 now, especially when I go into my office at the telegram of how 298 00:16:45,900 --> 00:16:49,700 badly be all slump in front of our computers, my computer's. 299 00:16:49,700 --> 00:16:54,100 It's really, yeah, I have this theory that good posture and a 300 00:16:54,100 --> 00:16:58,000 bright smile can take years of You totally agree. 301 00:16:58,000 --> 00:16:59,400 Yes. Yeah, yeah. 302 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:01,900 Those are my things. I don't really I'm not really 303 00:17:01,900 --> 00:17:06,599 bothered about wrinkles. And yeah, I am probably bothered 304 00:17:06,599 --> 00:17:09,500 about white hair silver hair because I did try and go gray. 305 00:17:09,500 --> 00:17:10,400 I was going to say. Yeah. 306 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:14,200 So gone a bit by the board. The, the hair thing is it's a 307 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,700 big moment for any woman. I think because I look at my 308 00:17:17,700 --> 00:17:20,099 wife, I think you're very lucky because again, the blond I think 309 00:17:20,099 --> 00:17:24,599 that's very easy to keep up. I think when you're not easy, 310 00:17:24,900 --> 00:17:29,500 but what I mean is When you were brunette, then you can start to 311 00:17:29,500 --> 00:17:34,200 go silver or gray. I've got, you know, friends who 312 00:17:35,300 --> 00:17:38,300 every sort inmate, they sort of. Oh my God, the hairdresser made 313 00:17:38,300 --> 00:17:40,400 me too dark. I think that's a very common 314 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:43,500 thing. Whereas, with blond you can sort 315 00:17:43,500 --> 00:17:46,100 of let the silver come through a bit, it doesn't really show so 316 00:17:46,100 --> 00:17:49,000 much or you can just keep on being blond. 317 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,000 But then, there's that moment of okay. 318 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:55,200 Do I just embrace the gray, but I tried to embrace the gray and 319 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:58,900 I quite liked it, but My lovely hairdresser said she liked it 320 00:17:58,900 --> 00:18:02,200 but then one day I came out and I wasn't you won't go anywhere. 321 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:05,200 I think I am when I sweep it back but not so much when it's 322 00:18:05,300 --> 00:18:07,100 down. Looks it's good you know. 323 00:18:07,100 --> 00:18:11,200 It's yeah. Go with the flow but you've been 324 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:12,800 off chemicals actually. Yeah. 325 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:19,000 You've been a fashion critic. Yeah many years but I haven't 326 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:24,000 noticed that your approach to Fashion commentaries is much 327 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,500 more about you being a woman now. 328 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:34,000 What you need, what we need and want and feel in our clothes and 329 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:37,000 I find that really inspiring. Oh good. 330 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,400 What? To be honest at the partly. 331 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:43,000 That's the response to to the digital landscape that we're all 332 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:47,200 in now because we can see exactly how many people are 333 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:50,500 reading an article and how long they read it for and I mean and 334 00:18:50,500 --> 00:18:53,600 sometimes analytic. Yeah the analytics the I resign 335 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:57,400 and before we were in Blissful ignorance, It's we just didn't 336 00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:59,300 know that never was reading, or jig us. 337 00:18:59,300 --> 00:19:04,200 All and I've got what we got. But the average, the average 338 00:19:05,100 --> 00:19:08,500 read, I mean, actually, to be honest I know this from across 339 00:19:08,500 --> 00:19:10,900 the board because I do speak to my colleagues on other 340 00:19:10,900 --> 00:19:14,800 Publications and you know a straight review. 341 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:18,700 There's not many people who want to read endless reviews, it 342 00:19:18,700 --> 00:19:22,300 feels quite dry. Now to compared to, I think the 343 00:19:22,300 --> 00:19:25,500 industry's fascinated the in decide what the industry's semi 344 00:19:25,500 --> 00:19:27,500 fascinated. They only read their own 345 00:19:27,500 --> 00:19:33,000 reviews, so says. So anyway, that's what's about 346 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:34,600 thinking. Well, you know, what would I 347 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:38,100 want to be at the other thing I think about fashion is that 348 00:19:38,100 --> 00:19:42,000 you've got these Mega Brands now, like Gucci and Chanel and 349 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,400 we Tone If you think about what they do and it's wonderful, I 350 00:19:44,408 --> 00:19:46,700 died. Like, I absolutely love Gucci. 351 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:51,100 But, you know, he sort of does similar things each season. 352 00:19:51,100 --> 00:19:54,800 So, and as the Chanel added a sweeter and actually it's a 353 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:57,700 beautiful, even it's fabulous, but But your itemized. 354 00:19:57,700 --> 00:20:01,300 Oh and yet again, Gucci. Did, you know, an eclectic look 355 00:20:01,300 --> 00:20:06,900 of a tweed jacket and some secret nails and shouted about 356 00:20:06,900 --> 00:20:10,200 later. So you've got to make it, you've 357 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:17,000 got to always think what's to take out from for a, you know, a 358 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:20,100 sort of average person. What would I want to know about 359 00:20:20,100 --> 00:20:22,000 that show? I'd want to know what the issues 360 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:23,700 are, what can I wear? What should I be buying? 361 00:20:23,700 --> 00:20:25,200 Next Tyson. I love that. 362 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:30,300 I mean, I've noticed also. So, you're you model quite a few 363 00:20:30,300 --> 00:20:32,300 of the looks that you talked about. 364 00:20:32,300 --> 00:20:34,100 I think that's fantastic. I hate. 365 00:20:34,900 --> 00:20:39,800 How does it feel horrible? I hate him, doesn't show and no, 366 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,100 because because the other thing I thought you just said about 367 00:20:42,100 --> 00:20:46,400 smile is so true. I've realized I really think 368 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,900 that the design is missing a trick when they tell the models 369 00:20:48,900 --> 00:20:53,600 to look you know, grumpy because If I don't smile in the 370 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,200 pictures, I look 100. And if I do smile, it's all fine 371 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,200 because it's sort of waking everything up. 372 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:00,300 So that's why I look really cheerful in those pictures. 373 00:21:00,300 --> 00:21:04,100 I'm not necessarily feeling that show for comment but I never 374 00:21:04,100 --> 00:21:09,400 forget my belated departed. Father always used to come to 375 00:21:09,500 --> 00:21:12,800 the shows and he had that was lovely darling. 376 00:21:13,300 --> 00:21:15,400 But why couldn't the model smile? 377 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,900 That's probably the comment. We get most often at the 378 00:21:18,900 --> 00:21:21,400 telegraph from the readers as the grumpy more poor crumb 379 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:22,900 people. I mean they I told to look like 380 00:21:22,900 --> 00:21:25,400 that. Absolutely yes. 381 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,900 So so model. Yes I think the industry has 382 00:21:27,900 --> 00:21:34,400 changed so much so when I got my job as a fashion writer but what 383 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:38,700 a place to start, you know, it was so you didn't interpolate 384 00:21:38,700 --> 00:21:42,000 yourself into an article at all. You won't even see it was 385 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:43,900 discouraged to use the first person. 386 00:21:43,900 --> 00:21:47,000 Yes. So you had to be this sort of 387 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:50,400 wonderful voice of berg but there was there was this very 388 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,600 sophisticated tone, but I think the idea was that it didn't 389 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:57,500 matter if Lisa was writing at or Sarah was writing up or Joe. 390 00:21:57,500 --> 00:21:59,600 Bloggs is writing, it was the Vogue voice. 391 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:03,600 Yeah, your own voice. Whereas now, we've stated to the 392 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,600 point where we have, you know, all my peers. 393 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,400 We will have to sort of twirl around in clothes and be 394 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,700 instagramming ourselves and doing reels, and God knows we 395 00:22:12,700 --> 00:22:15,600 have to be. It's another, the star of RSVPs. 396 00:22:15,700 --> 00:22:19,400 It's another, and it's for a different kind of person, so, 397 00:22:20,500 --> 00:22:23,100 Those are the challenges. Yes, but I think it's 398 00:22:23,100 --> 00:22:27,300 demystified fashion to a degree and I think there's something 399 00:22:27,300 --> 00:22:30,200 really Charming about that. Yes, well, good. 400 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,400 Okay. On another note what makes a 401 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,400 style icon? Oh gosh. 402 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,000 Well, that's called that's a difficult question, isn't it? 403 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,200 I mean, I think it's very different from. 404 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,000 I mean my style icon might not be your style icon. 405 00:22:47,500 --> 00:22:55,200 I think death Italy a streak of individuality but you know, I 406 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,400 was just writing about this yesterday. 407 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:01,800 In fact, you know, the way this idea of originality, it really 408 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:07,300 is such a red herring because, you know, I remember when Sienna 409 00:23:07,300 --> 00:23:09,600 Miller was first on the scene and they're all these articles 410 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,700 saying oh she's copied Kate Moss but you know Kate Moss carrot 411 00:23:12,700 --> 00:23:15,900 copied Marianne Faithfull and Brigitte Bardot. 412 00:23:16,300 --> 00:23:21,400 And you know, Bardot probably got her look from what was 413 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,900 already out there. So I so I think there's there's 414 00:23:25,300 --> 00:23:27,400 engineer, what? It's the right outfit meets the 415 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,200 right person as well. And I think and I think it's 416 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:34,100 someone really owning it. It's someone they say, oh my 417 00:23:34,100 --> 00:23:38,200 gosh, where she would be Of my, she'd be on my my Pinterest. 418 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:43,100 Yes, absolutely love her style fact. 419 00:23:43,100 --> 00:23:46,300 I think Sienna Miller's sort of. Now what she has now is that 420 00:23:46,300 --> 00:23:50,300 she's definitely in in the, in the things she just did for 421 00:23:50,300 --> 00:23:52,600 Netflix could have gotten the name of it, the Scandal and I 422 00:23:52,608 --> 00:23:54,000 should be able to go and actually the sky. 423 00:23:54,000 --> 00:24:00,600 Yes, it was very Karen beset. I but I think, you know, it's 424 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,500 like that it's like when you buy the thing that you've loved on 425 00:24:03,500 --> 00:24:06,700 your friend or somebody, You've seen in a magazine and it 426 00:24:06,708 --> 00:24:11,000 doesn't quite work, but it is, it's right outfit, right person 427 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,400 and I you know I you see beautiful clothes that don't 428 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:19,300 look good on certain people and you see things that shouldn't 429 00:24:19,300 --> 00:24:21,700 work. Look amazing on people. 430 00:24:22,100 --> 00:24:24,400 It's so difficult. You just know it when you see it 431 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,000 and as I say, it's very different from, you know, I'm 432 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,100 Kim Kardashian has a style icon from millions of people. 433 00:24:32,100 --> 00:24:35,000 It's she doesn't do it for me. But that doesn't, you know, that 434 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,900 doesn't negate what she is. Do you think there's anyone 435 00:24:37,900 --> 00:24:43,400 current current celebrity that will stand the test of time and 436 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:49,800 be very good question. She tore the Carolyn batter tour 437 00:24:50,500 --> 00:24:55,500 of the of the future. Yes, I do. 438 00:24:55,500 --> 00:25:05,500 I mean I think I think, I think I find Karen to make grow very, 439 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,900 very stylish. I mean, there's loads of them 440 00:25:08,900 --> 00:25:11,900 to, she really does Channel Parisian, she does. 441 00:25:11,900 --> 00:25:15,700 But, you know, she's got that help shaggy hair in the friend 442 00:25:15,700 --> 00:25:17,700 and she also had an exposure of. Yeah. 443 00:25:17,700 --> 00:25:18,700 She has six foot. Yes. 444 00:25:18,700 --> 00:25:20,900 Think of someone small was siena's guys. 445 00:25:20,900 --> 00:25:22,300 So yeah. Listen machine and I think she's 446 00:25:22,300 --> 00:25:26,100 got great style and I think there are tons of really stylish 447 00:25:26,100 --> 00:25:29,600 but I think when you look on Instagram now and you see women 448 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,300 who are not, you know, they're not famous but they've just Got 449 00:25:32,300 --> 00:25:36,700 great stuff. There's a woman called Marie 450 00:25:36,700 --> 00:25:41,800 Donnelly, who is you only see her on her own Instagram? 451 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,000 It might even be a private account but she's Marine must be 452 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,700 in her late 60's, early 70's. I think she is probably the most 453 00:25:47,700 --> 00:25:52,300 stylish woman in Britain. I mean, she's wealthy but my God 454 00:25:52,300 --> 00:25:55,900 the way she wears clothes and she wear very tailored Adam or 455 00:25:55,900 --> 00:25:57,600 whatever. And then she'll wear some sort 456 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:02,900 of You know, 1940s turban or something. 457 00:26:02,900 --> 00:26:05,900 She just pulls it together in an incredible way. 458 00:26:05,900 --> 00:26:07,400 I think she's done is chasing her. 459 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,400 Yeah. Maybe okay. 460 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,600 So it gets you show in Puglia two days ago, there was a woman 461 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,100 and that is quite a name dropper. 462 00:26:18,100 --> 00:26:22,300 I know sorry about fashion. There was a woman that mean 463 00:26:22,300 --> 00:26:24,000 everyone at that show in the audience. 464 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,300 I thought I loved the way I love what he does because it really 465 00:26:27,300 --> 00:26:29,900 is saying to everybody. And what can well, whatever you 466 00:26:29,900 --> 00:26:32,000 want from, whatever are and mix it all up. 467 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,300 Be a boy and a girl's out for a girl in a boy's life and 468 00:26:35,300 --> 00:26:37,300 whatever it's fine. You know, it's owning it. 469 00:26:37,300 --> 00:26:39,600 As you said there was one, there were so many great. 470 00:26:39,700 --> 00:26:41,600 Looks, but there was one woman in what and the sort of a 471 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:48,700 librarian skirt and you know, like a Rosie, the riveters, you 472 00:26:48,700 --> 00:26:53,200 know, the Hair Bow and thing and Louise Brooks Bob, the whole 473 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:57,000 thing could have looked a little bit frumpy, but then she had 474 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,700 these tutus up her arms. I'm not a great tool of of but 475 00:26:59,700 --> 00:27:01,900 to just start hopeful look the whole look. 476 00:27:01,900 --> 00:27:05,600 God, she was owning that, and it was so create. 477 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:11,700 I just think he he, empowers people To be creative and to 478 00:27:11,700 --> 00:27:14,000 really just love, whatever they're wearing. 479 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,300 I think it's so good. It's really inspiring. 480 00:27:16,300 --> 00:27:22,200 And I think he's had a massive effect on the whole upcycle. 481 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:23,200 Recycle. Yeah. 482 00:27:23,300 --> 00:27:26,500 Secondhand would you ever wear rented? 483 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:32,800 I I have worn it for articles and I definitely, yes, I would 484 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,700 wear it for special occasions, for sure. 485 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,400 I cannot I don't have the time for the admin. 486 00:27:39,900 --> 00:27:42,000 It for every day. And I don't think I need it for 487 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,600 every day because I've got a full wardrobe but for special 488 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:46,900 occasions. Definitely. 489 00:27:47,100 --> 00:27:48,900 I mean I realized of course is a fashion editor. 490 00:27:49,300 --> 00:27:51,800 I've been renting for years for special occasions without 491 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,800 actually any money to exchanging hands because because we all 492 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,000 borrow we are called the designers up and say, can I wear 493 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:01,100 this to the awards or whatever? So for sure, I don't what I've 494 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,800 realized is that I don't need to own. 495 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,500 As much as I thought I did. And, you know, I wish there was 496 00:28:09,500 --> 00:28:12,200 a time when I would be looking through matches or net-a-porter, 497 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,600 whatever for work. But also, you know, the 498 00:28:15,608 --> 00:28:17,100 boundaries of crossing for myself. 499 00:28:17,100 --> 00:28:19,800 And I love that and I love that and I want that I need that but 500 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,200 as you can look at things and love them and you don't have to 501 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,200 have them just enjoy looking at them. 502 00:28:24,300 --> 00:28:26,000 Absolutely. Do you think that's an age thing 503 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,200 though? Yes but I also think it is a 504 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,300 it's the time where I think we all you know stuffication we all 505 00:28:31,300 --> 00:28:34,700 have a lot of things and you know, even if you're young, 506 00:28:34,700 --> 00:28:40,600 you've had, you know. 28, you've had 10 or 14 years of Zara fast 507 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,600 fashion boohoo, whatever you probably acquired a lot of 508 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,800 stuff. And I do want to ask you what's 509 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:51,200 your approach to sustainable fashion in terms of a 510 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:55,100 acquisition. Be how do you get rid of this, 511 00:28:55,700 --> 00:28:59,000 in terms of sustainability? I mean, I've just got, this is a 512 00:28:59,008 --> 00:29:01,500 terrible thing to say for the interview but I just buy a lot 513 00:29:01,500 --> 00:29:05,500 less. And, and I it's a great thing to 514 00:29:05,500 --> 00:29:10,200 say, See ya, maybe there. Is that that real tension 515 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,200 between? Actually, we all need to. 516 00:29:12,300 --> 00:29:16,700 Yes, the other thing I do is the when I decide I really want 517 00:29:16,700 --> 00:29:19,900 something, you know, whether it's I feel like as Chanel esque 518 00:29:19,900 --> 00:29:24,700 little tweed jacket. I always now go to these, you 519 00:29:24,700 --> 00:29:28,500 know, the resale sites first and see if I can find something on 520 00:29:28,500 --> 00:29:32,400 there. And it's exciting. 521 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,100 I like that because it takes you a long time to find what you 522 00:29:35,100 --> 00:29:36,300 want. And sometimes you don't find 523 00:29:36,300 --> 00:29:40,200 what you want and it's fine but also the fun of the hunt, fun of 524 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,900 the hunt, it totally and bags. I think. 525 00:29:43,900 --> 00:29:46,700 Now, I mean, I'm very lucky because, you know, I've got a 526 00:29:46,708 --> 00:29:48,300 lot of Handbags and fashion editors. 527 00:29:48,300 --> 00:29:53,600 Do we do get given handbags? So I sort of feel if I ever was. 528 00:29:53,600 --> 00:30:00,100 So if I really did want another designer handbag, I would 529 00:30:00,100 --> 00:30:02,700 definitely, I would Have to buy a second hand. 530 00:30:02,700 --> 00:30:08,000 One, what would it be? Well really, it wouldn't be 531 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,700 armed as I'm sorry. I'm love Hermes, but I don't 532 00:30:11,700 --> 00:30:14,500 want it broken or a Kelly and I've got she now. 533 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,000 I don't know what it would be at might be. 534 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:23,700 There are so many I might be a worthy. 535 00:30:23,700 --> 00:30:25,300 I love. Delaware V bags, actually. 536 00:30:25,300 --> 00:30:28,900 And they've got one that they make with the scraps of old 537 00:30:28,900 --> 00:30:30,200 love. I love that. 538 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,100 You know, like the basket one, it's not, it's not a woven part. 539 00:30:34,100 --> 00:30:36,800 It's a woven leather bag and I think it's really clever. 540 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:40,100 And I love the upcycling, something I like the shape of 541 00:30:40,100 --> 00:30:41,900 that as well. You ever when you're getting 542 00:30:41,900 --> 00:30:45,600 dressed in the morning, think about the person that actually 543 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,500 made the shirt. You're wearing, oh, what a good. 544 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:53,600 A jacket, and you love probably not as much as I should. 545 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,900 I mean, some, you know, I've had things made for me and I've got 546 00:30:56,900 --> 00:31:00,900 some, I've got some Savile Row trouser suits and I, yeah, every 547 00:31:00,900 --> 00:31:03,600 time I put this on, I think about the guy says something 548 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,700 really, it's amazing. Sort of real conscious and then 549 00:31:06,700 --> 00:31:10,700 I've got some items are, there's a leather brand called Stella 550 00:31:10,700 --> 00:31:14,200 Willits, a bag brand. And, you know, they send you the 551 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:18,900 person who made that bag and I do think about that, but yeah, I 552 00:31:18,900 --> 00:31:23,300 think there's something Charming also about beautiful pashmina as 553 00:31:23,300 --> 00:31:28,100 that are often woven and India and I always used to have them 554 00:31:28,700 --> 00:31:32,700 sort of dyed to match the collection and I always asked 555 00:31:32,700 --> 00:31:35,400 for the Weaver to embroider their initial. 556 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:40,400 That's a minute, just in tiny thread and I love that. 557 00:31:40,500 --> 00:31:42,700 Yeah, that is very that beautiful piece. 558 00:31:42,900 --> 00:31:45,500 Hopefully you'll have it for the rest of your life, and your and 559 00:31:45,500 --> 00:31:48,500 the Weaver is sort of with you and part of that Journey. 560 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,500 Mmm, something really lovely about that. 561 00:31:50,500 --> 00:31:52,800 Yeah, and it's very nice. When you do wear second-hand 562 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,100 clothes, thinking about the history of that item and where 563 00:31:56,100 --> 00:32:01,600 it's been, I always thought that we up cycled some Army Parker's. 564 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:05,800 And I remember that in tourism. Yeah, and that those to me were 565 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:10,600 and still are can really special because you sort of think God 566 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:14,400 this could have saved life, will been through a war or yeah, I 567 00:32:14,408 --> 00:32:17,900 know. Has its own such as so powerful 568 00:32:17,900 --> 00:32:20,800 and I think, In this country and maybe other countries to there's 569 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:25,300 a real tendency to people very puritanical about clothes and 570 00:32:25,300 --> 00:32:28,900 they say, oh yes but fashion is so trivial but we all get 571 00:32:28,900 --> 00:32:32,500 dressed. And we all think of 90% of 572 00:32:32,500 --> 00:32:35,900 people, if not more, think about what they put on mourning, that 573 00:32:35,900 --> 00:32:41,000 is the precise thesis behind. There's no past everyone, 574 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:45,500 whether you're in fashion or not, it's what we put on between 575 00:32:45,500 --> 00:32:48,400 our naked selves in the exactly. It's the membrane. 576 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:52,200 Isn't it between you and all the stuff out there? 577 00:32:52,500 --> 00:32:56,300 It's your armor. It's your sort of blank, Asian 578 00:32:56,300 --> 00:33:00,400 your cocooning. I just I think people really 579 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,400 kidding themselves when they say that clothes don't matter and I 580 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:07,400 think it maybe they got to a point where the clouds don't 581 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,400 matter but if the clothes did Magic but they might it would 582 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,200 they're missing out on a real pleasure. 583 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:13,700 God. I love getting dressed every 584 00:33:13,700 --> 00:33:16,700 morning. It's fun and but also I think 585 00:33:16,700 --> 00:33:18,500 it's a real mood elevator. Yeah. 586 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:20,600 Yeah. And he quickly if you put the 587 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,800 wrong thing on it's like it's slightly dampens your day. 588 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,400 Do you find you still have those like that ever? 589 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,200 Yeah, I think definitely getting the weather wrong, sometimes or 590 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:32,900 shoes. I mean, that's the other thing 591 00:33:33,300 --> 00:33:36,000 you put on a pair of shoes because I lived it like 592 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,000 everyone. I lived in Trainers for three 593 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:42,600 years and now, I'm sort of just wearing my wardrobe again and 594 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:46,500 like not huge heels, but fabulous to read it is for the 595 00:33:46,500 --> 00:33:49,400 ones who wanted to really wobbly and the Driving me nuts. 596 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,200 And okay. So honestly, How many pairs of 597 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,300 shoes do you own? Oh, a lot along first up. 598 00:33:55,300 --> 00:34:01,800 Oh, I have 50 60. I mean, not hundreds, but a lot 599 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:06,100 and I actually, honestly, don't where I I do, you know, often 600 00:34:06,100 --> 00:34:11,000 think I must call this but they look so beautiful. 601 00:34:11,500 --> 00:34:14,500 They are, I have wrote a couple of rows. 602 00:34:14,500 --> 00:34:17,400 I have to say, laid out in my bathroom because actually, I 603 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,300 love how they look. Yes, and I'm lucky you know I've 604 00:34:20,300 --> 00:34:24,300 got a few pairs of manolos and I don't get rid of them because 605 00:34:24,300 --> 00:34:26,900 even if I only ever wear them once a year they just so 606 00:34:26,900 --> 00:34:29,500 fabulous when you do wear them little pieces of. 607 00:34:29,500 --> 00:34:32,699 Yeah gorgeous. I'm going to ask you some quick 608 00:34:32,699 --> 00:34:35,900 fire questions. Are you ready? 609 00:34:35,900 --> 00:34:38,000 Yes. High-end or High Street. 610 00:34:40,300 --> 00:34:46,900 Both lingle bear. Both minimalism will maximalism 611 00:34:46,900 --> 00:34:49,199 minimalism cultural charity shop. 612 00:34:49,699 --> 00:34:54,100 Well, you know, in my dreams could chew Crocs cute, little 613 00:34:54,100 --> 00:34:59,300 puke, puke sneakers or stilettos, both skinnies or 614 00:34:59,300 --> 00:35:04,700 boyfriends for me boyfriend. Yeah, but Econo boho boho but 615 00:35:04,900 --> 00:35:07,700 actually sorry. I don't like I can't wear boho 616 00:35:07,700 --> 00:35:11,400 but I'm not wearing body. Econ either so neither Glam or 617 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:21,900 grunge then grammar can I do another fashion red carpet or 618 00:35:21,900 --> 00:35:27,600 relaxed relaxed Trend or Style Style Party World PJs. 619 00:35:29,900 --> 00:35:34,200 PJ's that you can wear to a party or love that I know most 620 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,400 of the answers to these for you, which is great color or 621 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:42,200 monochrome. Color. 622 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:49,000 But in a controlled way, that no blame or plain experimental or 623 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,900 uniform, well, I think you have to experiment to get your 624 00:35:52,900 --> 00:35:58,700 uniform, very good answer, cashmere cotton, both vintage or 625 00:35:58,700 --> 00:36:03,500 rental. Probably for me, it would be 626 00:36:03,500 --> 00:36:09,600 vintage recycled up cycled. Very good quite well, it 627 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,500 depends. What is I mean, if I ever found 628 00:36:11,500 --> 00:36:15,200 Chanel culture in a, in a shop, I wouldn't be, I wouldn't need 629 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,600 to upcycle it. Shapewear, all sexy, lingerie, 630 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:23,400 shapewear. And finally, one, very last 631 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,600 question. At the end of the day, what do 632 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,700 you or? Don't you hop into bed in? 633 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:34,000 Oh, I love, I love pajamas. I love gorgeous pajamas. 634 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:38,700 Yeah, yeah. Well on that very Happy 635 00:36:38,700 --> 00:36:42,300 insightful note Lisa. I'm from it's been such a 636 00:36:42,300 --> 00:36:45,900 pleasure to just say action. Yeah. 637 00:36:46,100 --> 00:36:48,700 I hope our listeners have enjoyed that as much as I have 638 00:36:48,700 --> 00:36:50,500 enjoyed that chat. Thank you very much. 639 00:36:50,500 --> 00:36:52,200 That was really good fun. Thank you. 640 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,600 I hope you're enjoying the podcast. 641 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:08,200 If you are, please leave a review and hit the Subscribe 642 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,000 button, see you next week.