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Welcome to Style DNA, the 
podcast I created to uncover the

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lives behind the looks of your 
favorite well known faces and 

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help unveil their style DNA. 
As a designer, I've always been 

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inspired by the premise that 
wearing the right pieces should 

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make you feel the best version 
of yourself, gorgeous and 

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confident, and that these pieces
should be designed and crafted 

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for longevity. 
I'm delighted to share that this

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special treat for listeners. 
Today, I'm going on a style 

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journey with singer-songwriter 
and musician Corinne Bailey Rae.

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Corinne shot to stardom with 
herself, titled Corinne Bailey 

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Rae Debut album in 2006, 
featuring the global hits Put 

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Your Records On and Like a Star.
Since then she's won multiple 

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awards including Grammys and 
mobos, alongside nominations for

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Britain BET Awards. 
Her second album, The Sea in 

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2010 was nominated for the 
prestigious Mercury Music Prize,

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while her third studio album, 
The Heart Speaks and Whispers 

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was released in 2016 to 
worldwide acclaim. 

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In 2023 she released her 4th 
studio album Black Rainbows, a 

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truly remarkable piece of work 
which is the result of a several

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years long conversation between 
Corinne and the objects and 

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happenings in the Stony Island 
Arts Bank, Chicago. 

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The album has received critical 
acclaim globally. 

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Reviewers have been hailing it 
as Bailey Ray's career best work

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and have embraced the eclectic, 
genre bending album as an 

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indisputably one of the finest 
albums of 2023. 

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Corinne is currently touring the
UK before heading on to tour in 

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Europe and the rest of the 
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Hello and welcome. 
Hi. 

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Thanks so much for having. 
Oh, it's wonderful, wonderful to

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have you here because you're 
performing in London as of 

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tomorrow night. 
Yes, that's right. 

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We have 3/3 shows in London and 
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And then at the end of the 
European Tour, we now have China

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and the Philippines. 
Amazing. 

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We're looking forward to as 
well. 

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Fantastic. 
Congratulations on the new 

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album. 
It is extraordinary. 

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I mean, I'm a long time fan. 
I have to, you know, put my hand

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up there, but I've really loved 
listening to it, especially 

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whilst preparing for this 
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And as a creative, I'm always 
fascinated by where other 

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creatives get their inspiration 
from and and reading into what 

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where your inspiration came from
for this album, I'd I'd love to 

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hear it in your words. 
I felt with this album that so 

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much of the inspiration came 
through looking. 

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You know, sometimes when you 
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have you been listening to you 
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What's your inspiration? 
But in this case, I was looking 

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online at a friend's Pinterest 
board, actually in 2017, and I 

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saw this photograph of Theaster 
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I didn't know it was him, but 
was Theaster Gates, the visual 

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artist who had the Serpentine 
Pavilion last year in in London?

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And he was standing in front of 
all this weird art, this 

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contemporary art, and it was 
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But he had this expression on 
his face which was so relaxed 

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and confident. 
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And specifically, who is this 
black man who's standing in 

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front of what I thought was a 
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You know, it's not figurative 
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It's not paintings of people. 
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sculpture of a goat and a 
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I thought, who is he? 
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out that he's based in Chicago 
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finding buildings that are about
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destroyed by the city because 
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And he buys these buildings and 
he's and he saves them for art 

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and for the community. 
So he had, he had saved this 

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arts bank. 
He saved this bank from being 

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demolished. 
It was for It's a Bank from 1923

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in Chicago on the South Side. 
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community, you know, I guess 
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these days, but it's a 
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It has these housing problems, 
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drug addiction, violence, you 
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together to make an area really 
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And in the heart of it is this 
amazing bank which would would 

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have been torn down by the city.
He saved it. 

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He bought it for a dollar. 
He raised $4 million by selling 

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his own artwork. 
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of money, it's full of all these
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When I walked in, I saw a sound 
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I saw Theaster's own work. 
I saw pieces from local Chicago 

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artists. 
But it also contains archive, so

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it has all the books that were 
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Publishing Company. 
He did Ebony magazine and Jet 

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magazine. 
So kind of Life magazine for 

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black people. 
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collected since 1942, and 
they're on the widest range of 

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subjects. 
You can imagine 26,000 books in 

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this library, everything from 
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dance, autobiographies, recipe 
books, stories of the black 

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pioneers going West in America 
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Really specific things as well. 
And then it has all the Frankie 

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Knuckles records, so when he 
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the Arts Bank as well. 
So just reams and reams of house

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music, you know, vinyl. 
It also has all the glass slides

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from Chicago University. 
So when they digitize their 

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archive, I guess they gave them 
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And so you're looking at, you 
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the Louvre or Picasso paintings 
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and structures. 
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And then on the highest floor 
up, it has these difficult 

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objects from America's past 
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Problematic, you know, racist 
objects that were collected by 

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this black and Chinese banker 
called Ed Williams who would go 

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to flea markets and yard sales 
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You know, mommy jars, postcards,
newspaper articles, photographs,

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you know, cartoonish images of 
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And he would collect them just 
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So he would have boxes and boxes
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And he ended up giving his 
collection, which is 16,000 

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objects to the arts bank so they
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show them and how to store them.
So it's a really fascinating 

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place. 
So when I toured in Chicago, I 

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end up meeting up with Theaster 
and he showed me around this 

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bank and it's stunning. 
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Roman. 
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Yeah, it's beautiful in itself. 
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contrast with what's happening 
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underserved community. 
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double height library with those
iron, you know, stairs that can 

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go up to the the top floors. 
And it was just beautiful to be 

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around in such kind of 
beautiful, elegant elevated 

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space, but also around all this 
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I think I've been to grand 
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you know, an original copy of 
Virginia Woolf or sit and read 

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Marlow or Shakespeare. 
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Archive in a place like that, 
that was my first experience of 

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it. 
And to be around that volume of 

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literature, I just really 
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I guess I wasn't aware that 
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these black subjects. 
Perhaps growing up, I might have

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had these questions about 
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Oh, that wasn't written down. 
Oh, there's only oral tradition 

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here. 
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sands of time. 
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And to be around all these books
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evidence and documents, and it 
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And someone who's interested in 
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and read. 
And did that just ignite all 

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your synapses? 
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I found when I left that I was 
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I was thinking about photos. 
I was pulling up in drawers and 

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finding these little precious 
black dolls wrapped in tissue 

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paper. 
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When were they made? 
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Was finding a photograph of a 
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going West, a black girl going 
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thinking. 
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What happened to her? 
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Is there any evidence or. 
Or then just seeing the sort of 

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glamorous and fabulous things in
Ebony magazine, you know, that I

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wasn't aware of. 
I'd seen so many images of maybe

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the civil rights movement, you 
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weight, seriousness, you know, 
heavy politics. 

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But to be around the kind of 
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the black middle class in 
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You know that I wasn't aware on 
to have it so well documented in

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Life magazine and and find out, 
you know, who's putting on 

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exhibitions and the swing coats 
on the hairstyles. 

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It was just really a new bit of 
history for me that that I was 

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encountering. 
And so when I left, I was 

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writing poems, I started writing
songs, I went back and had 

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residency there. 
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years really it has been my 
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It's always felt like all roads 
lead back to this place where I 

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would say exhibition. 
It would remind me of something 

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I've seen or. 
I'd discover an artist like 

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Betty Saar for the first time, 
and then find out there's a 

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retrospective at the Prada 
Museum in Milan and go on a sort

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of pilgrimage to there. 
So that building sent me all 

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around the world, but do you 
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another door for another album, 
this whole sort of seeking out 

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this black history, this black 
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Think it's opened up a thing in 
me of realizing that it's OK and

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good to allow the things that 
interest you into whatever your 

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chosen field is and not to feel 
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And I think certainly coming out
of labels and out of more pop 

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music, you know, I felt with my 
last record, my third album, 

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that was really. 
Policing myself or gatekeeping 

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myself in terms of what I 
thought was useful and 

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acceptable. 
You know, I'd had an experience 

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of playing songs to people maybe
in in my wider team and they 

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might have said, you know, it's,
it's good, it's beautiful, but 

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it's not the first single. 
There'd be a lot of that kind of

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talk. 
It's not the first, it's not 

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radio. 
I don't know if people get it. 

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So by the time I'd had that 
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I would be doing it. 
To my to myself, You know, in 

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the studio or my bedroom, I'd 
think, what's the point of 

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finishing this song? 
It's too long, it's too slow, 

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it's too weird. 
It's about too much of A niche 

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subject matter. 
Like it's not somehow universal.

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I think the way that streaming 
affected music, making so many 

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people felt right. 
The only way now to to kind of 

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make it music is to have a radio
smash, you know? 

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I started calling them 
International Mega Smashers. 

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And I was getting to know Mark 
Ronson at the time and it seemed

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like every time I turned around,
Mark Ronson was having an 

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international mega smash. 
You know, it's just like you 

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would hear it pouring out of 
every taxi and on every radio 

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and you know, and every 
nightclub and it would just be 

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winning all these awards. 
And so I think at the label lots

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of people kind of feeling that 
way that you know, you've had 

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the success and you've had this 
critical claim and now it's 

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really time to kind of get back 
to the center of the target, 

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which is the international mega 
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And then you have this kind of 
fruitless searching for the 

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thing, You know, with my third 
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been three records, you know, 
with the amount of stuff that I 

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wrote for it that either I 
rejected or someone else 

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rejected, you know? 
And when I hear the album, I'm 

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so pleased that I managed to 
kind of get it done because 

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there was so much of a feeling 
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And so with this record, I feel 
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open, you know, why not do 
something strange? 

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Why not do something with all 
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I couldn't help it as I 
responded to all these different

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objects. 
You know, one had to be a punk 

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song, one had to be a kind of 
operatic song, one had to be 

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psychedelic soul. 
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given myself these different 
freedoms with the music. 

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It's really interesting to me 
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there is a real parallel between
music and fashion. 

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And you know, you with fashion 
you've got, you know what is 

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your brand identity, does it fit
into your brand codes and your 

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brand guidelines and all of 
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And I and the musicians that I 
know talk about that, but it 

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feels like you have absolutely 
bust those shackles with this 

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album and said actually, let's 
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And it it's fantastically 
creative and evocative as a 

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result. 
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yourself when you're making, you
have to be excited about what 

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you make. 
You don't want to just repeat 

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the same things. 
And like you say about brand, I 

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think artists don't like to 
think of themselves as a brand. 

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And I think so many, so many 
designers. 

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I mean, I guess it happens in a 
small cycle with a designer, but

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so many designers will then say 
I have to leave this house in 

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order to make something 
different or I have to go out on

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my own and do what really is in 
my heart. 

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Or they have to say. 
I'm leaving fashion completely, 

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you know. 
But I fell and I guess I did a 

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similar thing because when I was
making this record, I said this 

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is a side project. 
It's not my own album. 

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It's not going to come out under
my name. 

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So I don't have any of those 
ties. 

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You know, I don't have any of 
those, like you might say, 

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listeners or, you know, fashion 
the consumers. 

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You know, I don't have to think 
with the person who normally 

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wears my current Bailey Raid 
suits. 

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Wear this. 
You know, I could really think 

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this is what I want to do. 
I don't have to think about any 

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of that. 
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towards the end of the process, 
definitely after I'd finished 

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all the recording, that I 
decided I would have it be my 

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own record and I would claim it 
as my own thing. 

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And I'm really glad that I did. 
And you've been really brave to 

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do that and you've got the 
critical acclaim as a result of 

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that. 
Thank you, Chapeau today. 

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So we're going on a style 
journey, yes. 

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So love to do How did you decide
what you were going to wear here

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today? 
Well, that's really good 

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question. 
I mean, it's kind of slightly 

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limited because I was coming on 
tour. 

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I left my house in Leeds this 
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I have 3 suitcases. 
I take SO1 suitcase is kind of 

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kimonos, pyjamas. 
I'm on the tour bus, but I'm 

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still with people I work with, 
so I can't be too super casual. 

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That's one suitcase. 
My other suitcase is all these 

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jumpsuits I had made by this 
British designer called Mary 

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Benson, who normally does all 
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And I wanted her to make 
jumpsuits. 

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I saw this design that she'd 
made. 

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It's all psychedelic, it's 
butterflies, but where the eyes 

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would be, It's these strange 
eyes. 

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And she gets it all to 
interlock. 

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And I saw her in some dungarees 
on the street and said that's 

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amazing. 
And she said they're mine, I 

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made them and I just said, can I
come to your Italia? 

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I came to the place where she 
makes the things and. 

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We designed these jumpsuits 
together, so I'm wearing her. 

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So that's a suitcase. 
And I also got this amazing 

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sequence of beaded kimono that 
we're on top of those from Marco

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Hall. 
Who's this brilliant? 

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What does he call this style? 
It's like disco bohemian or 

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something like that. 
You know, he's from, he's from 

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new. 
Were we in New Jersey when we 

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saw him? 
And everything's just sort of 

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fabulous. 
And so I got a piece from him, 

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something else that's kind of 
like silver metallic. 

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And so I have that suitcase and 
then there's the kind of go into

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my interviews. 
I had lots of things in there 

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and as I left the house I 
realized those cases aren't 

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going to be arriving in time to 
go and see you. 

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So I quickly grabbed this 
jumpsuit which my husband 

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actually bought for me and I 
thought he did really well. 

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But I love the colour of it and 
I love the way that it makes me 

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feel where I have been crumpled 
up on a on a train. 

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Coming down from Leeds looking 
after my two kids and making 

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sure they eat something, it does
make me feel that in a different

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way that I'm OK now. 
I'm going to do something where 

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I'm going to be talking and I 
can be in this vibrant colour. 

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And then this scarf I just 
picked up in Nashville in a a 

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vintage shop, it had like these 
amazing, well, these amazing 

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silk scarves for you know, $30 
and $20 and and all these cool. 

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I got my new favorite vest, 
which is from the 80s, and it's 

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one of those. 
I ran the marathon in such and 

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such American cities, so I feel 
a bit fraudulent because I've 

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never ran a marathon. 
But I lived in that on my last 

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tour. 
I I'd say you've lived a 

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marathon, yeah. 
But yeah, that's how I decided 

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were you. 
Would you say you were very 

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aware of your mother's style 
growing up? 

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I was really aware of my mum's 
style and my mum is very 

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stylish. 
I was thinking of this on the 

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train today, that she's always 
been very stylish and chic. 

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You know, she when we grew up, 
she was actually cleaning 

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houses. 
You know, it was before she. 

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What? 
She cleaned houses. 

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Then she cleaned our school, a 
primary school. 

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And the teacher called her into 
the office one day, the head 

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teacher. 
And she thought, she thought she

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was going to say, can you come 
and do a bit more cleaning? 

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And she thought, I really have 
to swell my pride here. 

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This is my children's primary 
school. 

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But the head teacher said, would
you like to come and read to the

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kids? 
And she did and they loved her. 

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And then she started working, 
reading to children. 

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Then she started working with 
children with special needs and 

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she ended up being at the school
for. 

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I wonder how long? 
20 odd years she was at this 

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very same primary school, but 
she worked with children with 

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special needs for more than a 
decade. 

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And then she worked in helping 
children with diversity, you 

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know, bringing diversity into 
the curriculum. 

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The school won an award. 
She's really brilliant. 

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The school became an outstanding
school. 

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But yeah, she was always very 
chic, even though she had no 

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money. 
She used to work. 

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She guess she worked in fashion 
in the sense that she worked in 

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a shoe shop and a millionaire, 
well known shoe shopping. 

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Leeds I think it was called 
something like Vernon Humpage. 

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So she would do the window 
displays and then she would of 

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course spend all the wages on on
clothes. 

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Like any good working class 
girl, you know, going to save up

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for anything, this going 
straight to shoes. 

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So she always had the good shoes
from Vernon Humpage. 

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But my mum knew hats. 
I remember going to a wedding 

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with her where she had no money 
and she made a hat out of, you 

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know, cornflake packet. 
She cut the she cut the 

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cardboard and she somehow sort 
of steamed. 

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I guess she pinned it and then 
she had a fabric that she laid 

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it over. 
She had a little bit of gauze 

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leftover, so it had this kind of
stiff veil and it's somehow 

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matched a dress. 
I don't know where the fabric 

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came from, whether she took up 
the dress. 

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I remember thinking, you know, 
she's so elegant, she would ride

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to school from a cleaning job on
a on a bike in heels. 

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So I was always really aware 
that my mom was really well put 

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together, and I think because we
were. 

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Working class, family, you know,
when we went to town, we went 

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into Leeds. 
We always had to dress up, so we

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always had to wear our good 
shoes, which were our school 

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shoes and we always had to have 
cream on our legs and our long 

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socks and our Sunday best on. 
And always think when you are 

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coming from a particular 
background you really wanted to 

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project a certain thing in the 
world. 

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So we're in our case, we're 
trying to hide our poverty, you 

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know, so we would look in the 
shops and we'd try things on 

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that, you know, we. 
We weren't going to be buying 

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that week, but maybe we'd buy it
next week because it was our 

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birthday, or next month because 
it was Christmas. 

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But I always remember clothes as
being a kind of way of moving 

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from one group to another, that 
I would always be aware that 

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they would change the way people
saw you and the way that you 

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were seeing yourself. 
So I knew the power of of 

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clothes and when I could start 
to afford to buy clothes. 

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And even when I was at 
university, you know, I did 

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spend a good amount of money on 
clothes. 

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And because I was just 
interested in the the sort of 

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the way that you can project 
something about yourself, it's. 

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Very interesting that. 
I mean, you have two sisters. 

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Yes, That's. 
Right. 

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And did you did you influence 
each other? 

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Did you dress each other? 
Did you borrow each other's 

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clothes? 
Yes, we really did. 

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I mean, I guess in the early 
days, a lot of our formal wear 

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was matching, you know, So my 
mum's, my dad's mum would buy us

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a Christmas dress every year. 
So very often that would be, it 

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might be the same dress in 
different colours. 

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So my youngest sister, you know,
she would always have 3 

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versions, you know, she'd wear 
hers until it ran out and then 

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she wore canvases until it 
didn't fit and then she wore 

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mine. 
But yeah, we we had different 

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styles, I guess they had, we all
had different body types. 

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And I was this really skinny 
one. 

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I mean, all my sisters, my 
sisters are slim, but I was 

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really underweight when I was 
little, so that also affected 

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the way that I dressed, you 
know, I didn't want to look too 

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thin. 
So at school I was always always

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like two or three pairs of 
tights. 

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You know, I'd wear like 90 Danny
Air tights on top of 90 Danny 

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Air tights because I really, I 
didn't want my legs to look too 

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Twiggy because they were really 
skinny and I like to wear, you 

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know, I like to have some layers
on. 

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All the opposite. 
I'd find it really hard to find 

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stuff that fitted on my body, so
I'd often be wearing it's 

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younger age group clothes. 
But that's why I really got into

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vintage because suddenly you 
could find cuts, maybe cuts from

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the 70s that were a bit more 
slim on the body. 

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I remember when I was a teenager
finding out this amazing denim 

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jacket which I thought was a 
three quarter length sleeve and 

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I looked at animals like for a 
nine year old or something, but 

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it fit me really well. 
It fit in the shoulders, it was 

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tight on the arms, but it looked
good and tight in the body and 

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just that 90s retro thing to 
look 70s that was really popular

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I guess when as a teenager. 
So you could find, you know, 

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skin type flares and lots of 
denim and old band T-shirts and 

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that, and it was cheap, you 
know, So that's I really got 

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into fashion in that way And 
then I started, you know, going 

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out and would meet all these 
mods and they'd have all these 

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60s clothes and I really liked 
that style as well. 

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How? 
Old would you say you were when 

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you? 
Felt like you'd really 

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discovered your style DNA. 
I mean, I feel like I didn't 

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discover my style for ages. 
I would just be wearing, you 

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know, whatever I was pulled to. 
I remember really loving colour.

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And then when I was 12, I 
remember having this outfit from

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CNA. 
That was, it was kind of almost 

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like hair and pants, you know, 
brown with and there was a 

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jumper with a picture of a camel
on. 

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And but then I also remember as 
a team age maybe 15. 

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Then I had my two sort of good 
jumpers, you know, my two good 

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sweaters and I would wear sort 
of a black crop top underneath 

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these different off the shoulder
jumpers. 

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And it maybe it'd be like off to
the left or off to the right or 

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till it this way or back. 
I had all these different ways 

449
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,280
of wearing these two jumpers 
because they only had two. 

450
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:30,200
And I feel like that's when I 
kind of arrived at Felt. 

451
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:31,880
Good in your skin. 
Yeah, I felt good in my skin. 

452
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:35,480
I was like, yes, you are kind of
skinny, but if you wear things 

453
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,200
that fit, it will work, you 
know, and it will. 

454
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,320
It'll be OK. 
And and you know, that's when 

455
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,600
that look became much more 
fashionable in the 90s. 

456
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,520
Whereas when in the 80s when I 
was growing up, you never wanted

457
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,640
to look like Samantha Fox or 
something, you know, kind of 

458
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,760
like Q and Booby. 
And that was never going to be 

459
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,840
me. 90s was your era. 
And then I was like, oh OK, this

460
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,360
works for me. 
You know, I can, I can find. 

461
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,840
I can make clothes, you know, 
you would get like a scarf. 

462
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,440
They would have these stores 
where you had maybe 2 long silk 

463
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,880
scarfs tied in knots and they 
would be in the bargain. 

464
00:24:09,120 --> 00:24:11,680
Love the bargain bin. 
You know, scarf. 

465
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,280
Yeah, me too. 
And you can do so much with it. 

466
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,320
But I remember I was in this 
band called Helen. 

467
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,560
So I thought, I've got 2 purple 
scarfs here. 

468
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,960
I'm going to sew them up and 
make them into a dress. 

469
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,000
And I did. 
And you know, so I really like 

470
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,120
to make. 
I never made good clothes, you 

471
00:24:24,120 --> 00:24:25,240
know? 
But I guess I made stuff that 

472
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,320
I'd wear on stage and it was 
silver sequins one day and 

473
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,400
purple the other day and. 
Yeah. 

474
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,840
Out of interest, when you're 
writing, do you have a, a 

475
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,640
uniform for that, or what I 
would call a uniform? 

476
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,880
Something that you just reach 
for whether it's a? 

477
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,360
Corduroy jumpsuit or whatever, 
that, you know, you can just 

478
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,760
throw on and you can get 
creative in. 

479
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:49,640
I guess when I'm in my studio, I
feel like it's really like not 

480
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,640
pretty, you know, I feel like 
I'm really scruffy. 

481
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,200
So sometimes because I do work 
in my house, sometimes I will go

482
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:59,040
upstairs, you know, with my hair
in a burn, wearing a long 

483
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,880
T-shirt and some knickers if 
it's hot, oh, my pyjamas. 

484
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:06,160
Or I like to wear big cat, you 
know, big cashmere jumper over 

485
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,560
some silk pyjamas. 
Or I really like to be 

486
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,280
comfortable. 
I'd like to not think about how 

487
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,760
it looks at all, because I think
think about how it looks pulls 

488
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:19,040
me from away from my internal 
and that is so much part of my 

489
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,360
creativity. 
That is exactly My question is, 

490
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:27,240
you know, do what clothes do you
throw on so that you can focus 

491
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:32,680
100% of your creativity and your
imagination in those things 

492
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,040
would be really, really cosy 
things. 

493
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,400
You know, I really like, you 
know Margaret Howell or Toes 

494
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,080
store. 
You know, I'm back in the day, 

495
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,960
American and paralleled way. 
You know, just stretchy shirts 

496
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,440
and T-shirts and, you know, 
those kind of things. 

497
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:52,680
Yeah, I I've read that you 
talked about moving to LA to let

498
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,000
the sunshine in. 
That's your quote. 

499
00:25:56,080 --> 00:26:00,240
But can you tell me about that 
and how being in LA affected 

500
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:05,320
your style choices? 
Yes, LA so strange for there's 

501
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:09,240
so much external. 
You know in in Los Angeles and I

502
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:13,440
always used to call the dressing
style there asset presentation. 

503
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,120
So it's not about what you like 
to wear. 

504
00:26:16,120 --> 00:26:21,160
It's about how what you wear can
accentuate the most valuable 

505
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:22,960
things of you. 
Like if you've got good boobs 

506
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,520
you should wear stuff that 
really shows that. 

507
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:29,600
If you've got legs, you should 
show that or and I I couldn't 

508
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,920
get into that asset presentation
kind of style of dressing. 

509
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,360
You know, I thought it's really 
hot here by the way. 

510
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,280
So I would, I just wore lots of 
loose things when I was in Los 

511
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,160
Angeles. 
I found myself wearing lots of 

512
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:45,880
white and lots of kind of, you 
know, loose jumpsuits and things

513
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:51,200
as that designer Rachel comedy. 
I would wear her and, you know, 

514
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,000
sort of short things. 
But there is a thing, a feeling 

515
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,840
in LA of when is always on 
display and you're really aware 

516
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:00,920
of that. 
You know, don't go to you. 

517
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,360
Don't go to Soho House without 
thinking about the shoes and the

518
00:27:04,360 --> 00:27:06,520
bag and the jacket and the 
thing. 

519
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,840
And because so many people will 
see you and you won't have time 

520
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:11,440
to talk to them, but they'll see
you. 

521
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,680
So all they'll see is you know 
what you're wearing and how you 

522
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:16,960
present yourself exactly. 
They'll read your clothes. 

523
00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:21,400
So I would be able to do that 
when I was in all the public 

524
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,760
facing things I would have to 
really think about. 

525
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:25,640
And that's where it's so much 
fun to be at, you know, 

526
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:30,120
someone's BBQ, you know, and 
just be in a swim, a swimsuit, 

527
00:27:30,120 --> 00:27:32,080
in a big long shirt or something
like that. 

528
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,480
You know, it was really nice to 
to compare those two worlds, 

529
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:39,120
like the outward and the inward.
But yeah, ballet is a funny 

530
00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:42,480
place for that. 
Your new album Black Rainbows is

531
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,080
very much inspired by black 
history and culture. 

532
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:51,040
I wondered if. 
That has affected your choice of

533
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:56,280
clothes and designers for the 
album imagery and indeed the 

534
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,040
tool. 
Yes, it definitely has. 

535
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,960
When I was putting together the 
clothes for the album photos, we

536
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,080
did some photos and we also made
this book and it's been shot by 

537
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,720
Koto Bolofo, who I Absolutely 
Dor. 

538
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,600
And you know, he's done so much 
great work in fashion and then 

539
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:16,040
around Archive and Ms. and, but 
he always has this romantic 

540
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,040
poetry aspect to what he does in
clothes. 

541
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,080
And he's from South Africa, but 
he, he lived in the UK now he 

542
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,760
lives in France. 
And I was for like the Koto 

543
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:27,640
girls. 
They were women, but they had 

544
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,840
that girlish playful energy and 
it might be they're doing a 

545
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,920
cartwheel or they're sitting and
this gets blown up and you know,

546
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:39,600
they'd always have Ruddy cheeks 
and be really vivacious life 

547
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,960
loving. 
So I thought about him and I 

548
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,040
thought I really, I've always 
wanted to work with him and I 

549
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:48,000
managed to on this and but then 
yes, specifically in for that 

550
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,200
book I thought I want to wear 
Duro Oluwu, who I absolutely 

551
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,120
love, and I want to wear Grace 
Wales Bonner. 

552
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,520
And at that time Grace was just 
moving into women's clothes. 

553
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,120
But she had all her historic 
archive which was all men's 

554
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,040
clothes. 
And I've always looked at that, 

555
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,200
you know, you see the suiting 
and the beading and the cowry 

556
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,040
shell headdresses. 
And so when I was putting it 

557
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,600
together, I spoke to Caroline 
Easa, who I love. 

558
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:15,160
He's a great fashion director, 
and she's at Tank and just super

559
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:19,320
elegant and amazing woman. 
And I said to her, I really want

560
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,200
to wear Duro for this. 
And there's this Cape that I've 

561
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,520
loved for 10 years, and there's 
this suit. 

562
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,680
And and then I said to her, and 
I really want to wear some of 

563
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:31,000
greatest things, but I know 
there'd just be an archive now. 

564
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,720
And she was kind of like, leave 
it with me. 

565
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,400
And then when I got to Chicago, 
I was got to open these boxes 

566
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,440
and, you know, these gorgeous 
things by Dura with little palm 

567
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,720
trees on another little Cape. 
You know, that made me think of 

568
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:48,680
my Caribbean grandmother or. 
Or the the Grace Wells Bonner 

569
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:53,160
pieces, which is so heavily 
embellished and the kind of, you

570
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,280
know, they're romantic, but they
feel kind of militaristic. 

571
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,200
And there's just so much working
them. 

572
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,440
And then, yeah, getting to where
at one point I had everything 

573
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:06,680
on, you know, the suit and the 
Cowie shell and cota just says 

574
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,840
it all just feels too much. 
It's really, it's kind of, it's 

575
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,560
overwhelming in the story that 
you're trying to tell us, he 

576
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:17,440
said just go and put that shirt 
on and don't button it up. 

577
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,000
And I mean he never showed my 
legs, but I just wearing the 

578
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,800
shirt and my pants, you know, 
and holding onto this little 

579
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,040
black doll and that became the 
front cover of the of the book 

580
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,440
that we made. 
And also, you know, the cow 

581
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:30,840
Rochelle, her dress was the 
same. 

582
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:35,520
It was don't wear you know be 
not in clothes but be in this 

583
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:39,640
kind of crown and you know, and 
he did a really good shot from 

584
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,760
the side and. 
It's It's often more powerful 

585
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:46,440
just to focus on one thing. 
It is pilot. 

586
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,920
It is, but of course, because I,
you know, I love fashion, 

587
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,200
because I guess I was held away 
from all these things for so 

588
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,400
long, I always think just more. 
Magpie. 

589
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,720
So you just kind of pile it on 
and then you can't even see 

590
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:58,480
yourself in it. 
So yeah, exactly. 

591
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,840
That you just to have one thing 
always make so much more of a 

592
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:03,800
statement and. 
And I have thought about, yeah. 

593
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,640
So I wanted to use with Duro who
he's a really great artist as 

594
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,760
well and you know and his 
heritage is Nigerian. 

595
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:12,760
I think his mum was Jamaican as 
well. 

596
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:16,400
So he has this Caribbean sort of
British understanding and then 

597
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:21,240
this African upper echelons 
royalty angle as well. 

598
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,680
You know, he's really 
fascinating to be around. 

599
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:30,160
I mean, I've often talked about 
clothes being our armour, and I 

600
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:34,120
know that in 2008 you suffered a
terrible loss. 

601
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,520
Your first husband, Jason Ray, 
died. 

602
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:42,400
Do you think you ever use 
clothes to give you strength or 

603
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,760
indeed protection during your 
grieving process? 

604
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,360
I definitely did. 
And I felt like in that, in that

605
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:54,080
loss, it was almost though all 
my outward facing stuff was 

606
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,280
finished, you know, in terms of 
thinking about my my music, I 

607
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:01,440
just thought, well, that it, it 
felt like the end of my life. 

608
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,760
You know, he was 31, I was, I 
was 29. 

609
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,280
But he felt like, oh, this is 
the end of my life. 

610
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,720
And I sort of thought, well, 
that's OK because I've had this 

611
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,280
really great life, you know, 
that I had got to do all these 

612
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,960
things. 
And so yeah, I definitely felt 

613
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:16,840
going for it. 
And it was just after we'd 

614
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:20,040
finished, I'd finished promoting
our first record. 

615
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,000
I guess it will have been if it 
was 2008. 

616
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:26,880
So it would all be in, you know,
outward facing Oprah, private 

617
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,760
jet Grammys. 
You know, I was, everyone's 

618
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:34,080
watching great stylists who 
bring you stuff and you wear it 

619
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,040
and it goes. 
And Missus Prada sent you some 

620
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,440
shoes. 
And it was so then I all of that

621
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,920
stuff was just kind of sat in a 
room that I didn't go in. 

622
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:47,280
And then all I had was, I mean, 
I had his clothes, which I like 

623
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,760
to wear, you know, so I would 
have whatever would fit me of 

624
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,280
his, you know, I used to wear 
his clothes when I would maybe 

625
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,640
stay over at his house and then 
I'd have to go to work the next 

626
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,200
day. 
And he was kind of, you know, 

627
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,840
skin in the waist. 
So sometimes he he collected all

628
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:04,600
this vintage Adidas from. 
He was from Aberdeen and there 

629
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:08,440
was an Army and Navy store which
somehow in the 90s realized they

630
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:12,920
had this massive stash of 
original 70s jeans and Adidas 

631
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,280
that they just kind of got out. 
And of course all the teenagers 

632
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,400
and students slapped it up and 
Jason got all these amazing 

633
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,720
pieces. 
So very often I'd be going to 

634
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,280
work in a, you know, and added 
us top and maybe some jeans with

635
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,080
a belt really tied around. 
And people say, oh, I know where

636
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,640
you were last night. 
You know, they they know that I 

637
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,800
hadn't been home, you know, and 
I've just started getting 

638
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,560
together with him. 
So I had real nice memories of 

639
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,680
those clothes. 
I've been like, OK, when I got 

640
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,920
here, I was in a silver mini 
dress and now I've got to go to 

641
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,120
waitress, what can I wear from 
your wardrobe? 

642
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,680
So it was really nice to be able
to wear those things that made 

643
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:48,480
me feel closer to him, you know,
his coats or and then gradually 

644
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,760
it felt OK, I don't want to wear
those things. 

645
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:54,160
And then and then I just went to
the most comfortable things 

646
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,360
because I think when you're in 
real sort of grief or shock or 

647
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:01,960
trauma, even things like your 
dexterity is not the same. 

648
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:06,840
So things like faffing with 
buttons, zips, lacing things, I 

649
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:11,199
just I could sort of it seemed 
all too much to do anything like

650
00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:12,880
that. 
So everything was soft. 

651
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:17,679
Everything was, yeah, the old 
cashmere jumpers or cotton, you 

652
00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:21,719
know, nothing was non natural, 
you know, and sometimes I would 

653
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:25,159
have have stuff and I'd, you 
know, maybe fall asleep in that 

654
00:34:25,159 --> 00:34:30,000
thing or you know, so it wasn't,
It was a new version of day to 

655
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,760
night dressing, right, where you
just like the the time is 

656
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:34,400
elastic and you're not really 
going. 

657
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,040
I wasn't really going out of the
house. 

658
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:40,000
A lot might go for walks. 
I definitely wasn't going out 

659
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:41,600
out. 
I didn't want to be around 

660
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,280
anyone. 
I felt like any everyone would 

661
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,639
want to talk to me about it and 
I didn't want to. 

662
00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:49,600
And I was also dressing as a 
kind of camouflage because in a 

663
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,239
way that was my most. 
It was when I was most 

664
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,760
recognized, you know. 
So I also really didn't want to 

665
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:59,080
be recognized because I knew 
people would just like you 

666
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,240
naturally do with your news 
feed. 

667
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,040
They'll say, oh, it's hurt. 
Oh, there was that bad thing 

668
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,120
that happened. 
And so you'd some, I'd sometimes

669
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:10,000
see people react with that :) 
oh, the sad face, and they 

670
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,640
wouldn't know what to say. 
And of course, didn't want to 

671
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:14,760
talk to them about a total 
stranger about that. 

672
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:20,120
So yeah, I definitely think my 
dressing took on a kind of if if

673
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,840
you are seeing me, I don't want 
to just think that I am the same

674
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:28,480
person that you last saw in 
Mimiu on Channel 4, You know, I 

675
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:32,720
want to be just away. 
So yeah, soft things, cotton 

676
00:35:32,720 --> 00:35:36,320
things, cashmere things, layers.
Nothing with buttons, nothing 

677
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,840
with zips, nothing with loud, 
nothing loud, nothing fashioning

678
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,240
at all. 
Proper little cocoon. 

679
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:43,800
Absolutely. 
Yeah. 

680
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,200
Yeah, Yeah. 
That cocoon is a kind of 

681
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,840
protection, but also a sort of 
saying to the world, you know, I

682
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,360
don't want to engage. 
Like, read that from how I am, 

683
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,240
you know, dressed right now. 
Beautiful, beautiful. 

684
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,680
You then went on to remarry. 
That's right. 

685
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,080
Yeah. 
What was your second wedding 

686
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:05,400
dress like? 
Tell me. 

687
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,560
Yeah, it's so funny because I 
remember my Nana saying to me, 

688
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,920
oh, you're just going to have a 
small wedding now. 

689
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,160
And I said, no, I'm going to 
have, there's going to be 300 

690
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,200
people. 
And because it's not like 

691
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,680
perhaps if you get divorced 
where you, you know, you guys 

692
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:21,080
have decided together this 
marriage hasn't worked or has 

693
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:22,160
failed. 
You know, I always say to 

694
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:26,840
people, the best marriages end 
with one person dying. 

695
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,560
That's how you agreed to do it, 
you know, So you don't have to, 

696
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,760
If someone's partner, if 
someone's husband or wife has 

697
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:37,040
died, you don't have to kind of 
not mention it as though it's 

698
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,680
the same as our awful divorce 
that they don't want to talk 

699
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,480
about, you know? 
But I think because of the age I

700
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:45,400
was, nobody had any experience 
of, you know, I had experience 

701
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,720
with a 20 year old widow. 
You know, it's someone a widow 

702
00:36:47,720 --> 00:36:50,040
in their 20s. 
So a lot of people didn't really

703
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,240
know how to talk to me about it.
But that's why I'd always say, 

704
00:36:52,240 --> 00:36:56,600
you know, you're really lucky if
you're if you get to be a widow 

705
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,400
or a widower. 
It's just that you want to be it

706
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,720
when you're 80, not when you're,
you know, nearly 30. 

707
00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:07,200
So, So yeah, my I wanted means 
Steve's wedding to be a really 

708
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,520
big do because there was no, you
know, he hadn't been married 

709
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:14,360
before I had been married and 
then I was a widow and that was,

710
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,440
you know, that's all good, you 
know, that's all. 

711
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:21,320
It wasn't a failed marriage. 
It was like it did its thing and

712
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,640
then it was life. 
Yeah, exactly. 

713
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:28,120
One person died and so, so yeah,
I had had this, I think his 

714
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,440
surname was Stewart. 
I want to call it about James 

715
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,360
Stewart and I have to check 
that. 

716
00:37:32,720 --> 00:37:35,200
But I met him because I think he
used to do lots of clothes for 

717
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,560
people who were on, you know, 
some of the more well known 

718
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:43,160
people in Leeds who would be on 
maybe a Coronation Street or or 

719
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,320
in Manchester, you know, there's
that scene in the north of 

720
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:46,960
England. 
So he would be making event 

721
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,280
dressing for them And he also 
did brides. 

722
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,200
And I saw his work and I had 
something in mind and I really 

723
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:56,440
wanted give pure lace and I 
really wanted something very 

724
00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:00,680
kind of tight and high and kind 
of like a pointy boobies and and

725
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,000
I wanted it to be a small waist 
and then I wanted it to be just 

726
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,560
big silk. 
You know what? 

727
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,680
When Jason I had had got 
married, it was kind of like a 

728
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:11,760
slip of a thing, you know, So I 
really wanted, you know, and I 

729
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,080
wanted to veil. 
My mum made me a veil. 

730
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,080
And it's so it's all very 
dramatic. 

731
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,200
And then I wanted to wear 
flowers, you know, I wanted to 

732
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,000
have like a a flower crown, like
a Frida Kahlo. 

733
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:26,160
And I remember saying to the 
florist, give me tons of 

734
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,800
flowers, I can put in my own 
hair and then give me bits I can

735
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,680
put to the bridesmaids. 
And there were loads of 

736
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:34,040
bridesmaids as well. 
And I remember my hairstylist at

737
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,120
the time, he's called Kenna, 
Kenna, and he has Kenna Land, 

738
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,320
which is in it's in London and 
New York. 

739
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,760
He's brilliant. 
And I remember him doing my hair

740
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:44,200
and I said wow, it looks 
amazing. 

741
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,280
And I said, oh, are you alright 
to put the rest of the flowers 

742
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,000
in? 
The bridesmaid says what rest of

743
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,320
the flowers? 
He just put it all, just all on 

744
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:52,920
me. 
And I love that, that, you know,

745
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,680
it looks amazing now in 12 hours
it's going to be just wilted, 

746
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:58,840
you know, It's not seeing 
anything but just the sort of 

747
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:00,840
freshness of it. 
So you know, we got married in 

748
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,680
winter as a winter feast and and
this, you know, the light was 

749
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,920
going down and it was really 
beautiful. 

750
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:11,840
But yeah, I wanted to be here. 
I am in this, you know, going 

751
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:16,520
into this just full of joy and 
and also with the same kind of 

752
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:20,400
poignancy that I never thought. 
I never thought I would get to 

753
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,920
be married and never thought I 
would get to have children 

754
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,640
because when I was 29, because I
thought my life was over, I 

755
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,000
thought, well, I'll never get to
have kids. 

756
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,080
I won't be. 
I'll never be able to meet 

757
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,880
someone in time to sort of, you 
know, have children. 

758
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,240
Like I kind of written it all 
off and you know, I had my kids 

759
00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:38,880
kind of later like late 30s and 
early 40s. 

760
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:42,800
So and again that's just a a, a 
blessing that I didn't think 

761
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:46,560
that would have so. 
What a joyous image, though, of 

762
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,560
you in this good, pure lace 
dress with all these fresh 

763
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,200
flowers. 
How beautifully. 

764
00:39:52,240 --> 00:39:54,280
Fundamentally, who would you say
you dress for? 

765
00:39:55,240 --> 00:39:57,000
Yourself. 
Your husband. 

766
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,120
I definitely think I dress for 
myself. 

767
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,960
I definitely do. 
Sometimes I come downstairs and 

768
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:05,440
I can see, you know, Steve's 
kind of like his head on the 

769
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:10,360
side is and sometimes. 
If I'm not sure about it, I 

770
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,840
might say, yeah, this is weird, 
but if I really love it, I'll 

771
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,040
just say you don't get it, you 
know? 

772
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:19,120
And sometimes it makes me really
even more kind of steely in my 

773
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:25,360
idea of like, yeah, this is a 
very weird fake fur bolero that 

774
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,200
I got from Marc Jacobs that ends
here. 

775
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,720
It makes me look a bit like a 
Russian bear in a performing 

776
00:40:29,720 --> 00:40:31,680
circus. 
But that is what I'm wearing 

777
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:32,800
tonight. 
Let's go. 

778
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,400
You know, So I I definitely 
dress myself. 

779
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,320
I like wearing strange things. 
I like things that that 

780
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,480
challenge. 
I like to stand out in a certain

781
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:45,640
way, you know, when I'm out and 
about and yeah, I mean I just 

782
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,280
think clothes are, clothes are 
fantastic, You know, I 

783
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:52,440
definitely have spent too much 
of what has come to me on 

784
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,520
clothes. 
But the same time I I had always

785
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,040
wanted to do that when I was a 
kid and never be, you know, 

786
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:01,000
always seen them in the window 
and thought, oh, I've only or 

787
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,080
tried them on and handed them 
back over. 

788
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,960
So now, you know, it's great to 
be able to say I'll have that, 

789
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,920
yeah, I'll have that. 
How would you describe your 

790
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:16,720
style DNA in three words? 
That's how would I describe it? 

791
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,400
I mean, I like playful, you 
know, I don't like this clothes 

792
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,560
to be too serious. 
I'm not trying to do the asset 

793
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,400
presentation. 
So I'd say playful is definitely

794
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,360
one I like. 
Classic. 

795
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,880
Like, I don't like anything too 
that. 

796
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,920
It feels like it's of the 
crazily of the moment, like a 

797
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:40,080
miniskirt with the pockets 
hanging down or, you know, made 

798
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,280
of plastic or whatever. 
I would probably won't wear that

799
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:44,520
and I would. 
So I'd say it's playful. 

800
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,680
I'd say it's classic. 
And I also think I try to wear 

801
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,320
things that suit me, like I 
wouldn't just see something on 

802
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,680
the runway and think I have to 
have that, you know, I I feel 

803
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:55,800
like I can just let things go 
past that for me. 

804
00:41:55,800 --> 00:42:00,000
So I think it has to be kind of 
playful and classic and fitting,

805
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:01,520
you know? 
Love that. 

806
00:42:03,240 --> 00:42:05,200
Would you consider you have a 
style icon? 

807
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,560
I think when I first started in 
music, I loved Audrey Hepburn 

808
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,040
and everything that was Audrey 
Hepburn and the tiny waist and 

809
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:15,120
the ballet flats and the shape. 
Especially because I had been, 

810
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,320
you know, skinny. 
I thought, oh, here's this 

811
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:23,080
skinny but super elegant woman. 
And I liked her strange accent. 

812
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:24,600
And I like, you know, her big 
eyes. 

813
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,960
And I related to that and I 
think I remember sitting down 

814
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:29,520
with someone and saying my style
icon. 

815
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,520
Yes, Hepburn. 
And he said Katherine or Audrey.

816
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,120
And I was looking at him like, 
well, what do you think? 

817
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:36,480
Of course, I mean Audrey 
Hepburn. 

818
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:40,880
But all these years later, I 
feel the pull of Katherine 

819
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:46,000
Hepburn and the collars upturned
and the man's the men's trousers

820
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,400
and the kind of angles in the 
face. 

821
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,840
And there's intellectualism and 
the kind of jutted chin and the,

822
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,080
you know. 
So I think I love, I love 

823
00:42:56,080 --> 00:43:00,160
Katherine Hepburn's style, the 
kind of no nonsense style of it.

824
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,080
And I think in my everyday, you 
know, when I'm not on stage or 

825
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,720
when I'm not at an event, I am 
in kind of, you know, the high 

826
00:43:06,720 --> 00:43:09,240
waisted trousers and something 
kind of big and something with a

827
00:43:09,240 --> 00:43:14,520
bit that's on my shoulders or an
old sort of man's Welsh knitted 

828
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:15,880
top. 
You know, there's this brilliant

829
00:43:16,240 --> 00:43:19,280
suiting place that I found 
opposite Charlotte Menson is 

830
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,120
getting my hair cut. 
I think everybody knows of it as

831
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:23,680
a classic place. 
I have to look it up. 

832
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,920
But I just wandered over and 
had, you know, one suit in the 

833
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,680
window and he measured me for 
something. 

834
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,560
And he said, you know, it's 
going to take about nine months 

835
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:32,800
to make. 
And I said, oh, OK. 

836
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:34,880
But that's where. 
That's, to me, the height of 

837
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:36,880
style. 
Now it's like, you want it. 

838
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:38,400
Yeah. 
You can't have it for a year. 

839
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:40,440
Isn't that lovely? 
Send me some pictures. 

840
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:45,440
In this world of such disposable
available everything. 

841
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,600
Yes. 
The shop's called Speciale. 

842
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,360
Speciale. 
Do you know he's an Italian? 

843
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,680
He learned from his Italian 
tailor in Venice. 

844
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,400
The guy passed away and he's the
one who's carrying the 

845
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,360
tradition. 
And yeah, yeah, but. 

846
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,840
There is something gorgeous, 
isn't there, about that 

847
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:04,840
tailoring tradition of lovely. 
Yeah, the history of that. 

848
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,840
Would you say your style has 
changed through the decades? 

849
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,760
I think my style has changed. 
And I guess our bodies change as

850
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:15,080
well, you know, with having my 
children, not dramatically, but 

851
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:20,040
in ways that I see and feel. 
And so I do feel I appreciate a 

852
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:24,560
kind of Manish look now. 
I feel like that, you know, 

853
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,600
conversely sort of brings up my 
femininity more, whereas if I 

854
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:31,680
try and do something kind of 
girlish that doesn't, that 

855
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:35,200
doesn't read the same way as 
when I was kind of eight stone 

856
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:39,360
and and 26 years old, you know? 
Do you have one piece of 

857
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,280
clothing that means the most to 
you? 

858
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:47,840
That's a really good question. 
That's a really good question. 

859
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,720
I mean, it's funny because I've 
got these boots that I always 

860
00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:54,200
perform in and I thought I'd 
lost them and I was so sad and I

861
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,000
didn't realize how attached I 
was to them. 

862
00:44:56,000 --> 00:45:00,280
But they they Gucci from when it
was Alessandro Michelle and 

863
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:04,880
they're they're gold metallic 
and they've got fringes. 

864
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:09,440
I've worn them so many times, 
hundreds of times, but I've 

865
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,120
never worn them outside because 
I'm always wearing them on stage

866
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,920
and I feel like I'm really 
attached to those boots, you 

867
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:19,520
know, they've got a decent heel,
but I feel very secure on them 

868
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,400
when I'm playing my guitar and I
can stomp on my pedals and I can

869
00:45:22,720 --> 00:45:26,640
kind of run around or dance 
around or jump off stage and 

870
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,520
jump back on. 
So they, to me, they're sort of,

871
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,000
I guess that collection to me 
was like bow. 

872
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:36,920
It's 1970s Bowie or something, 
and I thought that's my, that's 

873
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,560
my version of it. 
So I really do like those boots.

874
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:43,120
Brilliant. 
I mean, you lead an incredibly 

875
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,920
busy life. 
You're a mother, you're a wife, 

876
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,120
you're writing, you're 
performing, you're touring. 

877
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:52,600
Not to mention the sort of 
inevitable promotional junket 

878
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,040
that you must be on and off and 
on and off. 

879
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,080
Is your wardrobe phenomenally 
organised? 

880
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:06,320
I feel like my wardrobe is 
really organised into me being 

881
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,960
like here I am, I'm doing my 
music, I'm in the world, 

882
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:14,240
everyone is around, everyone's 
seeing me and then then and 

883
00:46:14,240 --> 00:46:17,360
that's in a room, you know, and 
I love to see it and look around

884
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:18,760
and there's nothing I can get 
rid of, you know? 

885
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:19,960
Seems like, do you need all this
stuff? 

886
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,800
Of course I need it. 
Of course I'll never wear this 

887
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:24,200
again. 
But I've got it because I 

888
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,480
remember in 2006 when I wore 
this all the time. 

889
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,600
And so it's there, you know, and
the moths are your enemy, of 

890
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,800
course, and you have the, you 
know, the word and everything to

891
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,240
try and make it work. 
But then I've got my everyday 

892
00:46:36,240 --> 00:46:40,040
wardrobe which is kind of well 
worn T-shirts. 

893
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,760
It's comfortable things. 
It's a load of jumpsuits. 

894
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:46,240
It's a good amount of corduroy 
and some, as I was saying, 

895
00:46:46,240 --> 00:46:51,160
Margaret Howell and you know 
some good shirts and some some 

896
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,120
good T-shirts and some good 
jumpers from that. 

897
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:59,960
Especially the, you know, the 
the Welsh wool people and a bit 

898
00:46:59,960 --> 00:47:03,200
of Vivienne Westwood. 
Because not just because it's 

899
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,320
the only really sort of high end
place in these, but it is also 

900
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,080
the only sort of freestanding 
boutique in Leeds. 

901
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:13,760
And I go in there often and I've
got a disproportionate amount of

902
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:17,920
Vivienne Westwood because I like
to go into a place and it's 

903
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,040
quiet and there's only one thing
on the rack and all of that. 

904
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,720
So yeah, I've got some good 
Vivienne Westwood stuff. 

905
00:47:23,720 --> 00:47:29,000
And and I like Vivienne Westwood
so good because it also might 

906
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,320
read as a charity shop jumper, 
you know, sometimes. 

907
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,400
So when I'm dropping my kids off
at school, people's like, oh, I 

908
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,920
love that jumper. 
And I won't say, yes, it's 

909
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,000
Fabian Westwood, I'll say, oh, 
thank you. 

910
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:41,720
Because it looks like it's, you 
know, knitted in Peru and I 

911
00:47:41,720 --> 00:47:43,920
might have just picked it up at 
the Oxfam shop. 

912
00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:46,240
She was brilliant at that, 
wasn't she? 

913
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:51,680
But it was so beautifully 
designed and cut or knitted, but

914
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:56,400
but really, you know, the the 
detail, Yeah, the yeah, exactly.

915
00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:00,280
The amount of work in the piece 
was always really good and is 

916
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:04,080
good. 
Do you archive all your, what I 

917
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:07,440
would call your important looks?
So looks that you may have 

918
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:12,000
collected awards in or 
particular looks from a tour, or

919
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:15,240
photos from an album cover, That
sort of thing. 

920
00:48:15,240 --> 00:48:18,040
Do you keep those very carefully
archived? 

921
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:19,840
I guess if I think about it, 
yeah. 

922
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,000
I mean, I don't sort of take a 
photo of them or write them 

923
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,360
down, but in a way I don't need 
to because they're really in my 

924
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,000
head. 
So, you know, I've got these 

925
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:29,560
pink ballet shoes with the 
straps going up and they're 

926
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:33,400
really worn out now. 
But I remember I wore these in a

927
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,920
field in South Africa when I was
making the video for Put Your 

928
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,720
records On. 
And that, you know, the IT looks

929
00:48:38,720 --> 00:48:41,040
very beautiful. 
But the cornfield had just been 

930
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:44,360
chopped and those corn stocks 
were slicing my legs and I had 

931
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,720
scars on my legs for for, you 
know, 10 years from them. 

932
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:51,800
But I remember these shoes and 
there was a little white Marc 

933
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:56,280
Jacobs blouse and I can't 
remember the if I might have had

934
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,360
some pedal pushes I. 
Remember the image? 

935
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,160
Yeah. 
But I really, you know, I've got

936
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,200
that blouse, I've got those 
shoes because they're really 

937
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,240
special to me and that they're 
what I wore. 

938
00:49:04,240 --> 00:49:06,800
And then that was the thing that
people, the first thing really, 

939
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:10,480
that people saw of me, you know,
And the ballet flats became, you

940
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,800
know, an important thing. 
And I and I did want to wear 

941
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:14,400
something that wasn't. 
I was trying. 

942
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,200
I'm not trying to be super 
womanly and grown up. 

943
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:20,600
You know, I was trying to bring 
my girl self into my adulthood 

944
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,840
in in all those clothes and so 
that there were a big sort of 

945
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:27,840
leader in that. 
What, if anything, do you feel 

946
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,280
you've got an excessive amount 
of in your wardrobe? 

947
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:32,560
Yeah, that's a really good 
question. 

948
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,240
I mean, I do have a lot of 
shoes. 

949
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:38,960
I love shoes. 
I love the kind of the 

950
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:42,760
sculptural nature of shoes and 
and that the reason I say that 

951
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,280
is because a lot of the times 
the shoes aren't very 

952
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:48,960
comfortable, you know, So 
there's these Miri shoes, which 

953
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,920
I absolutely adored. 
But the so just the rise and 

954
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:56,200
what it did to the arch by foot,
you know, I just, I remember the

955
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:59,320
feeling of sort of limping along
the street after being in those,

956
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:03,320
you know, for a good 12 hours, 
you know, but remember thinking,

957
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:06,520
OK, you can't, you can't wear 
these anymore. 

958
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,480
But I just, course, I've still, 
you know, still got them there. 

959
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:11,760
Or sometimes I'll buy things 
that look amazing, like it's a 

960
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,120
massive cork heel and then 
there's leather and there's just

961
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:15,760
a little thong that keeps you on
there. 

962
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,200
But I know they're not 
practical, you know? 

963
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:20,600
But I'll wear them. 
I'll wear them for awards, or 

964
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,640
I'll wear them at a party. 
Or wear them even just wearing 

965
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:24,920
them for photos. 
But then I like to keep. 

966
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,200
Things. 
So honestly, how many pairs of 

967
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:28,840
shoes do you own? 
I don't know. 

968
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:32,040
It definitely won't be anything 
near all these fashion people. 

969
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:36,080
It won't be anything near those 
you know, people, but a good 

970
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:41,120
amount for a sort of post 
Christian working class girl it 

971
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:42,840
feels like a guilty amount of. 
Shoes. 

972
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:48,280
That's a really good answer. 
So what's your approach to 

973
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:52,320
sustainable fashion then? 
I guess my my approach is this, 

974
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:56,560
I like to buy, I'll always wear 
natural fabrics. 

975
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:00,400
That's partly because I sort of 
became a bit allergic to 

976
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,960
deodorant at one point, you 
know, and the aluminium, then I 

977
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,120
change from non aluminium 
deodorant. 

978
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,640
And then, you know, I'm always 
laughing at, you know, with 

979
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:10,120
people that I'm sweating on 
stage, you know, and I think, 

980
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:12,520
well, I had a shower this 
morning and this thing is going 

981
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:15,120
to go in the wash and that's all
all you can do really is. 

982
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,680
So I always have to wear 
breathable, clean, breathable 

983
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,200
fabrics. 
And I think even just starting 

984
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:23,560
there is a really good point, 
you know, you wearing something 

985
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:26,480
cotton that's going to be able 
to be passed down, It's going to

986
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,760
be able to be washed, it's it's 
going to rot down. 

987
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,000
I mean thinking about plastic 
and the fact that all that 

988
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,640
plastic is going to outlive us, 
it doesn't feel good. 

989
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:38,280
So I'm not someone who's got 
loads of polyester. 

990
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,040
I mean I can't wear that stuff 
just for my own, but for my 

991
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:42,600
body. 
And I feel like it's not healthy

992
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:45,000
for you. 
So I guess my sustainable stuff 

993
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:47,520
is looked at from from that 
point of view that what's 

994
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:50,520
healthy for your body is also 
healthy for the planet. 

995
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:55,360
But yeah, that's probably as far
as I've really looked into it. 

996
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,120
But I think that makes a small 
difference. 

997
00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:59,840
So what do you do with your 
clothes when you've actually 

998
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:02,560
when you've had enough of them? 
When I've had enough of them, I 

999
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:06,480
give them charity. 
So yeah, I just fold them up, 

1000
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:10,920
give them, give. 
Them to charity, as Corinne 

1001
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,160
Bailey raised. 
No, I just give them to local 

1002
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,960
shops because I always think it 
must be fun, you know, a local 

1003
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:17,200
shop when they're sorting 
through, right. 

1004
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:18,840
All this is the H&M and the 
czar. 

1005
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:21,560
And then you think, oh, there's 
this and it's a, you know, a 

1006
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:24,880
fancy label and they could sell 
it for more, you know. 

1007
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:26,240
So I think people are doing 
that. 

1008
00:52:26,240 --> 00:52:28,720
I mean, I think sometimes at 
charity shops, something doesn't

1009
00:52:28,720 --> 00:52:30,720
even end up in the shop. 
Sometimes they'll sell it 

1010
00:52:30,720 --> 00:52:32,480
online. 
And I would say whatever they 

1011
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:35,800
can do to get the money from 
from the garment, that's really 

1012
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:36,560
worth. 
It it? 

1013
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:38,520
It's such a good feeling, isn't 
it? 

1014
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,960
Yeah, yeah, it really is. 
And I have a lot of shrunk wool.

1015
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:45,200
Wool seems to end up getting 
spun or or heated in my house. 

1016
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:48,800
So then you can make things out 
of that kid, the kids get it, or

1017
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:52,200
you can make it shrink. 
The stuff to a child more, Yeah,

1018
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:53,520
all of that really stiffened 
wool. 

1019
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:55,920
But you know, you can use it for
you can. 

1020
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,040
You can't unravel it because 
it's basically felt, but you 

1021
00:52:58,040 --> 00:52:59,760
know you can. 
You can sew with it, you know, 

1022
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:03,600
like to kind of make stuff or 
you know all of that. 

1023
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:06,880
What would you say is the oldest
piece in your wardrobe and the 

1024
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,280
oldest piece I know because 
everything else is gone. 

1025
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:13,520
It's, I mean, I guess I've got 
old things that my mum would 

1026
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:16,360
have given me or vintage things.
Oh, lovely. 

1027
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:19,680
So yeah, she was always like, 
she would have Bieber or she'd 

1028
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,560
wear, you know, silk, Two pieces
from labels. 

1029
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:23,640
I don't know. 
Amazing. 

1030
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:25,760
So she had a lot of stuff like 
that from the 70s. 

1031
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:30,680
I've got some things like that. 
Or I'm trying to think, but the 

1032
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,440
stuff from my own collection, 
you know, it would just be like 

1033
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:38,000
a little sweater from Top Shop 
that I bought when I was 15 that

1034
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:41,560
still somehow is kind of 
stylish, even though everything 

1035
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,440
else has been chucked out and 
replaced with much more lovely 

1036
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:45,920
things. 
And you know, I wouldn't. 

1037
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:48,520
I can't. 
I don't wear it, but I can't 

1038
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,760
bring myself to throw it away. 
And I did wear that in a photo, 

1039
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:53,880
you know, when I first started 
out and I think for the 

1040
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,040
Observer. 
So just think I'll keep that 

1041
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:58,040
one. 
You know, that was I bought that

1042
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,080
one from my waitressing money 
and I'll keep that. 

1043
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:01,840
There's so much nostalgia 
attached. 

1044
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,080
Clothes, though, isn't that? 
Yeah, there really, there really

1045
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:05,000
is. 
You remember what you were 

1046
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:06,160
doing? 
Remember when you bought it? 

1047
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:07,640
Remember all the times you've 
had in it? 

1048
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:11,240
Yeah, we're going to spin around
some quick fire questions now. 

1049
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,040
What fashion advice would you 
give to your 20 year old self, 

1050
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:19,040
20 year old self? 
I just say enjoy it, you know, 

1051
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:22,040
That was when I was just working
at in a club and I was buying 

1052
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:26,160
all sorts of little things and 
you know, going out trying to 

1053
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:28,560
cut up bras. 
At that time, you know, it was 

1054
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:30,560
like you really didn't want 
people to see your nipples and 

1055
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:32,760
there's that they even in the 
impression of your nipples was 

1056
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:37,760
kind of so risque or not chic. 
So I remember, I'd say just stop

1057
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,000
cutting up those bras, it's 
fine. 

1058
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:42,440
Just get get out there. 
Get out there. 

1059
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,160
You're gorgeous. 
Which fashion trend would you 

1060
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:48,920
like to see make a comeback? 
I mean, I've really liked that, 

1061
00:54:49,240 --> 00:54:53,560
that era Prada, when they'd 
obviously seen that photograph 

1062
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:56,520
of it, was that David Bowie, 
maybe Rick, Mick Ronson on a 

1063
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:58,720
train. 
And they're wearing these wide 

1064
00:54:58,720 --> 00:55:01,920
shoulders and there's these 
beautiful patterns and this. 

1065
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:05,360
The fabric's really elegant and 
I only selfishly would like to 

1066
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:08,240
see that again because there's 
so many bits I would love to add

1067
00:55:08,240 --> 00:55:09,640
to. 
Like I had the jacket but not 

1068
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:11,760
the trousers. 
Now I'd get the trousers and 

1069
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:13,960
yeah, those suits. 
I'd love to buy a whole load of 

1070
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:17,240
suits like that. 
And fashionable beauty trend 

1071
00:55:17,240 --> 00:55:19,840
that you would consign to room 
101. 

1072
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:23,600
Oh, definitely. 
They're sort of slug eyebrows. 

1073
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:28,240
You know that those kind of, I 
think there's so many kids, you 

1074
00:55:28,240 --> 00:55:30,760
know, they're like beautiful 17 
year old girls who don't need a 

1075
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:35,200
scrap of makeup, just totally 
caked and makeup which looks 

1076
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:38,640
fine in a photo and in real life
it's like it's more than you'd 

1077
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:42,280
wear and kind of, you know, West
End musical or something, you 

1078
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:46,200
know, that I just feel like, oh,
you're 17, you know, just don't,

1079
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:49,160
don't waste your time, you know,
you're gorgeous. 

1080
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:53,840
Your last impulse by gosh, I 
feel like I haven't bought. 

1081
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:58,840
I almost bought this beautiful 
chandelier type, you know, 

1082
00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:03,320
halter neck thing and me, me 
with the top and the skirt and 

1083
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:04,920
it was, you know, it was 
gorgeous. 

1084
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:07,560
But I thought, you know, my 
accountant isn't really not 

1085
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:10,200
going to appreciate it was, you 
know, you know, when somebody's 

1086
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:14,440
had so much work, you say, I 
understand why this is a 7000 

1087
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:17,040
pound outfit, but I probably 
don't need to be getting that 

1088
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,360
right now. 
So I just kind of waved goodbye 

1089
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:21,400
to it. 
So yeah, I rode out my impulse 

1090
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:24,800
in that situation. 
Your views on tattoos. 

1091
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:28,600
I love tattoos on other people. 
I would never get one because I 

1092
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:32,080
can never make up my mind. 
Something I love today is 

1093
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:34,440
something that I like 
embarrassed that used to like, 

1094
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,800
you know, in terms of imagery 
or, you know, and I'm just not 

1095
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,400
chilled enough to be like, oh, 
that was the old me. 

1096
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:43,040
So I like the one other people. 
And on myself, I probably will 

1097
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,320
never have one. 
Beauty treatment you couldn't 

1098
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:48,160
give up. 
I love those eye under eye patch

1099
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:50,040
things because I was feel like I
really need them. 

1100
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:52,760
So I was wearing them one in the
taxi today, You know, there's I 

1101
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:54,840
wish it was acceptable to wear 
them all the time. 

1102
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:57,040
I just have them on instead of 
my actual face, you know? 

1103
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:00,240
High End or High Street, I like 
high end. 

1104
00:57:00,240 --> 00:57:02,400
I like to have less. 
I feel like I have less clothes 

1105
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,720
and a lot of people, but I'd I 
like it to keep it fancy and 

1106
00:57:05,720 --> 00:57:09,720
then just wear and know the the 
T-shirt underneath or whatever. 

1107
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:12,120
Bling or bear? 
Bear. 

1108
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:15,320
Minimalism or maximalism? 
Maximalism. 

1109
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:19,800
Couture or charity Shop Couture.
Crocs. 

1110
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,680
Cute or puke? 
I like Crocs. 

1111
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:24,560
Some kids. 
I probably won't wear them 

1112
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:26,960
myself. 
Sneakers or stilettos? 

1113
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:29,880
I don't really have any 
sneakers. 

1114
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:33,240
So, yeah, go stilettos. 
Skinnies, Boyfriends or wide 

1115
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:34,840
legs? 
Wide legs for me now. 

1116
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:37,080
Boricono. 
Boho, boho. 

1117
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:38,920
Sports. 
Lux or rock? 

1118
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:39,560
Check. 
Rock. 

1119
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:42,320
Check. 
Trend or style? 

1120
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:48,560
Style, Experimental or uniform? 
Experimental Cashmere or cotton 

1121
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:51,880
cashmere, even though the moths 
are those moths. 

1122
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:55,560
Shapewear or sexy lingerie? 
Sexy lingerie. 

1123
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:59,360
Tights or stockings. 
I like tights, bikini or one 

1124
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:03,120
piece. 
I like a bikini, beanie or Berry

1125
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:06,440
Berry. 
And finally, at the end of the 

1126
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:09,200
day, what do you or don't you 
wear in bed? 

1127
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:15,000
Nothing current. 
It has been such a joy, a 

1128
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:19,200
fascinating journey with you. 
Thank you so much. 

1129
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:23,120
Thank you for. 
Sharing your style journey with 

1130
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:25,480
me. 
It's been really, really lovely.

1131
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:28,000
Thanks for your time. 
Thank you for yours. 

1132
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:33,680
And if I could turn the tables 
on you and ask what would be the

1133
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:39,560
one style question you would ask
me, I would ask you, what do you

1134
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:42,600
think? 
Drives a person to design. 

1135
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:49,960
What drives you to design? 
Oh, that is an innate desire to 

1136
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:52,800
make women feel the best version
of themselves. 

1137
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:58,600
I just know the power of If you 
feel great in your clothes, 

1138
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:01,880
you're just going to go out 
there and do the best job, be 

1139
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:06,240
the best mother, be the best 
wife or friend, or just have the

1140
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:09,040
best day. 
Good answer. 

1141
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:11,560
Thank you. 
Thank you.