1 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:08,440 Welcome to Style DNA, the podcast I created to uncover the 2 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:12,120 lives behind the looks of your favorite well known faces and 3 00:00:12,120 --> 00:00:17,120 help unveil their style DNA. As a designer, I've always been 4 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:20,280 inspired by the premise that wearing the right pieces should 5 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:23,600 make you feel the best version of yourself, gorgeous and 6 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:26,880 confident, and that these pieces should be designed and crafted 7 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:30,560 for longevity. I'm delighted to share that this 8 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:34,560 episode is supported by Karen Millen, a brand that has a 42 9 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:36,320 year legacy in the world of fashion. 10 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:40,000 Their commitment to affordable luxury and making investment 11 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:43,080 pieces accessible has truly stood the test of time. 12 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:46,600 Whether you're searching for a timeless winter coat that will 13 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:50,360 serve you for years to come or an elegant evening dress, you'll 14 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:53,560 find both classic and modern designs that are perfect for 15 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:57,320 refreshing your wardrobe for the season ahead online at 16 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:01,360 karenmillen.com, head over to my Instagram for a link to a 17 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:06,840 special treat for listeners. Today I'm going on a sartorial 18 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:10,960 journey with Karen Millen OBE. Karen founded her eponymous 19 00:01:10,960 --> 00:01:15,160 brand, Karen Millen with her husband Kevin Stanford in 1981. 20 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:19,400 With a £100 loan, they purchased 100 metres of white cotton, 21 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:22,320 which she whipped up into stylish shirts and they sold 22 00:01:22,320 --> 00:01:26,280 party style to friends. From this they gradually grew a 23 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:29,840 retail empire, founded on their commitment to affordable luxury 24 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,160 and making investment pieces accessible. 25 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:37,760 In 2004 they sold Caran Millen to Mosaic Fashions under an spa 26 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:42,080 for £100 million. The terms of the spa prevented 27 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:45,240 Caran Millen from using her name in connection with any similar 28 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:48,000 businesses or competition in the future. 29 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:50,960 She later challenged this in court and lost. 30 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:54,400 She swivelled and followed her love of interiors, culminating 31 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:58,560 and creating an online interiors business called homemonger.com. 32 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:03,280 In 2019, the Boohoo Group bought the Karen Millen brand, and in 33 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:07,960 2022, in a full circle moment and in an attempt to inject some 34 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:12,240 of the original DNA back into the brand, Karen was invited to 35 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:15,720 create the Founder Collection, a capsule collection of 30 36 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:19,120 signature pieces. The huge popularity of the first 37 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,120 collection saw her invited to create a second collection, 38 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:25,040 which launches this week. Congratulations. 39 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:27,480 Hello, and welcome. Hello. 40 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:30,600 God, what a journey you've been on. 41 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:33,400 How does it feel returning to Karen Millen? 42 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:36,400 It's really exciting actually. Yeah, you're right. 43 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:42,200 I have been on a journey, not an easy one and minds, but yeah, I 44 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:46,320 feel really empowered again now. Just being back doing what I, 45 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:51,240 you know, know so well and love. I feel re re energized now. 46 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:53,280 Time is right. So it's been great. 47 00:02:53,640 --> 00:02:58,280 What was it like when you picked up the phone to Karen Millen? 48 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:00,840 Or did they e-mail? What was the What was the 49 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,120 approach? Yeah, it wasn't a phone call as 50 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:05,000 such. A few people when they first 51 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:11,320 bought the company had mentioned to me or e-mail be saying, you 52 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:15,040 know, they're really keen to talk to you if you're interested 53 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,440 to, you know, go back and do some work with them. 54 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:21,080 And I was like at that point, no, I don't think so. 55 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:25,560 They're taken, you know, they're an online business anyway, so I 56 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:28,840 knew the stores were closed, which really broke my heart, I'm 57 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:31,200 honest. So I wasn't too happy at the 58 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:36,760 time and it wasn't really until two or three years later when 59 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:40,680 things are settled down and my own personal life was going in a 60 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:44,560 different direct or coming out of a difficult time and I 61 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:49,080 started feeling very keen to get back into the industry again. 62 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:51,240 It's something that's always been there obviously, but. 63 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:55,640 I did fall out of love with it for for a while and particularly 64 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:59,480 when we sold in 2004 because I was just exhausted by the whole 65 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:03,040 journey and not only that, the fact that I'd gone through a 66 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:06,800 separation with my partner who was partnering the business as 67 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,160 well. So it was an exhausting time and 68 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:11,440 and I just sort of turned my back on the industry. 69 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:18,160 So 20 years on, I just feel ready to get a tow back in. 70 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:22,800 And I mean on that point, it is a relentless industry isn't it? 71 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:26,280 I know we're just starting to chat about it before recording, 72 00:04:26,280 --> 00:04:30,120 but but actually. Yeah, I mean, because you start 73 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:32,920 and you're on a treadmill, it's never ending. 74 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:35,880 The moment you finish one collection on to the next. 75 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,200 And as you said, you know, you start introducing accessories 76 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:41,320 and things like that. And it just. 77 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:43,440 I mean, it's endless, but it's fun. 78 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,320 And I think the great thing about it is the fact that you 79 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:48,960 get. A new season to start all over 80 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,480 again. So it's constantly changing and 81 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,400 that's what gives you the the excitement, I think, to keep you 82 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,440 going. But at the end of the day, you 83 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:59,560 know, alongside everything else that you're going through, 84 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:01,560 whether it's personal things, having children, all those 85 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:03,800 things, they, you know, take the toll. 86 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:07,680 And I think by the end of the 20 years, you know, that that had 87 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:09,680 had taken its toll with me personally. 88 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,840 And so, yeah, it was a good time for me to exit. 89 00:05:12,840 --> 00:05:16,080 Really. But now got your mojo back. 90 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:18,960 And now I'm ready to go back. Has it? 91 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:22,920 Has it Exactly, Has it felt a bit sort of ducked to water? 92 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:27,960 Do you you feel straight back into it and sort of really 93 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:30,560 excited about? It I was excited but really 94 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:33,640 apprehensive as well because obviously I'm, you know going 95 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:37,280 back into an industry that I've been absent from for 20 years. 96 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:41,280 So it was like, can I do this, You know, have things really 97 00:05:41,280 --> 00:05:45,160 changed that much and. You know, how will I be received 98 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:47,160 by the other members of the team? 99 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:48,960 So there's all these things going on. 100 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:52,880 And, you know, no, I never really doubted myself personally 101 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,400 in terms of my creativity. That was always there. 102 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:58,520 And I think if you're a creative person, you know, you don't stop 103 00:05:58,520 --> 00:05:59,480 being creative. Yeah. 104 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:02,640 So that side of it didn't bother me. 105 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:04,960 It wasn't a worry. It was just more how would I be 106 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:07,440 received? But I have to say, you know, I 107 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:11,240 got in there and they were. As nice as anything, you know, 108 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:14,520 they were just so almost subservient, you know? 109 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:18,080 And that, and I was like, Oh yeah, I would think there'd be 110 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:21,800 in awe of the woman that created this wonderful. 111 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:25,360 Brand they were, but I probably I I don't know. 112 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:27,320 I didn't know how how it would be. 113 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:29,960 But when I realized now that most of them are. 114 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:32,800 Some of them weren't even born when we started. 115 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:36,400 Wow. And so I think when you inject 116 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:39,400 some of the stories back as well to them of how it was that 117 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:42,120 really excites them and they love to engage with the things, 118 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:45,960 you know how it was when we started and and and the the 119 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:49,960 journey that we went through and the DNA and the DNA you are that 120 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:52,240 they give her a. Yeah, that they actually can put 121 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:55,880 a, you know, a face to the name. There is a person and and there 122 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:58,480 is adna there that they're trying to, you know. 123 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:06,160 Recreate has have the design processes changed a lot from 124 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:11,760 when you stepped out. They have for me personally, I I 125 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:17,760 think as a company when we started we were quite unusual. 126 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:20,120 I don't think many tell me about that. 127 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:22,560 Well, we we were literally doing everything. 128 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:26,360 So it was like an Italia really, where I was designing, we were. 129 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:30,520 Producing our own patterns. We were doing our own samples in 130 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:34,560 house and then they would go off to the factories, so but that's 131 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:37,720 very that's a very designer approach it isn't it it. 132 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:41,000 Was and and it is because it doesn't happen and it. 133 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,360 I don't think it happened then, but that's how we used to run 134 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:46,240 our company and I think that's what gave us our point of 135 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:50,320 difference because we were designer LED business and 136 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:52,440 bringing in affordable clothes, design clothes to the High 137 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:54,640 Street. And that's, you know, how we 138 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:56,280 built our reputation, I think, really. 139 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:59,960 So we were able to, you know, go through that journey from start 140 00:07:59,960 --> 00:08:04,040 to finish and have total control, which was amazing. 141 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,120 Yeah, amazing. I get frustrated now because you 142 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,520 know things are not done that way now and that's one of the 143 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,800 things I find difficult to control, working with the team 144 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:15,640 that you know, they're doing everything from a specification 145 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:18,800 sheet and I can't work from, so there's no 12. 146 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:20,840 There's no 12. There's nothing like that and I 147 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:24,760 need to sort of. And feel and and and see 148 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:30,080 something on a on a stand or or a body and so I'm having to get 149 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:32,520 used to that way of working but it and it is frustrating because 150 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:35,200 when you're getting samples back you know there's silly mistakes 151 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:37,200 or they haven't followed all of the instructions. 152 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:40,000 And you know for me I just think what a waste of time. 153 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:43,520 You know, if we could sort the problems out or deal with it in 154 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,480 house here, then surely there will be. 155 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:48,960 Be be more efficient? Class efficient? 156 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:51,840 Yes, it feels like be. So much backwards and forwards, 157 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:55,560 yeah, it feels like a waste of time and resources. 158 00:08:55,560 --> 00:08:57,240 I think so. I mean, that's how I feel. 159 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,680 But you know, because does it come back? 160 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,800 You know, it goes out as a spec, A specification. 161 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,440 Does it come back as a sample or? 162 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:09,240 Well as a sample and then you tweak from. 163 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,840 That so then it will go back again probably for. 164 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:14,200 One or two more samples after that, yeah. 165 00:09:14,560 --> 00:09:16,840 And sometimes there's just not time to get it right. 166 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:20,600 So, you know, you just have to hope and pray that there's, you 167 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:23,880 know, the amendments that you made will get through to them at 168 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:27,000 the other end. So it's quite nerve wracking 169 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,240 actually at the end of it when you're actually signing off on 170 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:33,160 something to say, yeah, good to go because, you know, sometimes 171 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:36,680 you don't see it, yes. And sometimes those really 172 00:09:36,680 --> 00:09:40,440 critical pieces, if if those have to get dropped because 173 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:43,800 they're not right that, then the essence goes, doesn't it? 174 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:47,240 Yeah, it does. And in fact, I think that may 175 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:49,440 happen with something that's just gone through on this last 176 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:53,400 collection, so let's hope not. I hope not, because it'll be a 177 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:55,760 shame. But yeah, so those things can 178 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:57,480 happen. And particularly because this 179 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:59,120 next collection is time collection. 180 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:04,280 It's only 20 pieces, so you know, to lose one piece would be 181 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:05,640 a shame. A real shame. 182 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:08,000 Gosh. So you've had to be really 183 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:11,480 edited and disciplined. Do you have full creative 184 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:13,000 control over the Founder collection? 185 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:16,160 I do, actually. I mean, in fact, that was the 186 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:18,520 other thing that was quite strange is that they didn't 187 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:20,280 really give me too much of A brief. 188 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:21,960 It was almost like, do what you want. 189 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:25,000 I'm like, oh, can you just guide me a little bit, You know, tell 190 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:26,760 me what you know, what you want me to do. 191 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,120 So it was fairly open, brief to start with. 192 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:36,040 And then this next one, I think it was easy because they said to 193 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:39,840 me, you know, we need a November, December collection. 194 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:41,960 It's 20 pieces. So for me straight away it was 195 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:47,600 like evening wear, no brainer, really party so and because I 196 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:51,200 love tailoring, it had to incorporate, you know, the tuts 197 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:54,040 and that kind of thing. So for me that was a dream. 198 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:58,960 You've actually touched on my next question because I wondered 199 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:02,120 whether you had approached this collection from a personal 200 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:07,400 perspective, sort of as to what you would wear yourself or did 201 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:11,280 you put your Karen Millen hat on in the design? 202 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:13,640 Yeah, that's interesting because it is quite different actually 203 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:18,440 and particularly I I guess you know 20 years on we do change 204 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:23,200 our stuff slightly and I'm, I'm that much older for a star, but 205 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:27,040 so, so yes, I have put a lot of me into to this collection. 206 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:34,600 So tailoring is quite predominant throughout, which is 207 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:38,600 something that has been part of me from a long. 208 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:43,160 As I can remember really in fact, which is a lovely story. 209 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:47,280 One of the first manufacturers we used in London here when we 210 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:49,840 first got going, when we actually found some 211 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:52,640 manufacturers aside of the out workers that we were originally 212 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:57,080 using, was a tailoring factory in Peckham. 213 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:01,760 And there was an old Polish guy there, Mr. Stone, who was so 214 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:04,480 sweet and he took me under his wing really, and taught me all 215 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:06,240 the things I needed to know about Taylor and. 216 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:10,120 And so I think that was another reason why the tailoring element 217 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:12,440 was really strong throughout the collections, really so. 218 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:14,840 But I've always loved to wear a jacket. 219 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:17,920 I was going to say there's nothing more transformative than 220 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,440 a really beautifully cut jacket. I agree. 221 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:23,240 I mean, even in menswear, I'd still love, love a suit. 222 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,520 Yeah, I love a jacket. And a jacket. 223 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:30,200 I mean, how would you describe that original Karen Millen woman 224 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:33,320 was always. Very much a lifestyle rather 225 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:38,080 than an age, although. And I mean we like to sort of 226 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:41,840 like see it as a mother daughter type thing really. 227 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:44,520 So it was much more about the person rather than the age. 228 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:49,880 Very much a work career minded woman but like to socialise as 229 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:51,280 well. So very strong. 230 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:53,960 I I always thought of her as a power woman. 231 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:55,800 Yeah. And I think because of the 232 00:12:55,800 --> 00:13:00,000 suiting and the that element of it, we did very well throughout 233 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:04,600 the city selling you know tailoring to to women in you 234 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:08,400 know those kinds of jobs. I think it did did gain that 235 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:13,760 reputation. Just to give me a sneak peek on 236 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:17,120 the Founder collection because it will launch the day this 237 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:20,840 podcast gets released. So tell me about your favorite, 238 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:22,720 favorite piece of the collection. 239 00:13:23,560 --> 00:13:26,160 Oh, I don't know. I I like, it's so 240 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:28,680 interchangeable, which is what I like to include with all my 241 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:31,760 electricity. So it's it's very monochrome 242 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:34,800 black and white with neutrals and then a little bit of 243 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:38,520 metallic thrown in. So everything sort of changes. 244 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:41,600 You can change, you know, the the jackets with the pants and 245 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:43,760 things like that to create different looks. 246 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:47,040 So as much as it's an evening wear collection, there are lots, 247 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,880 lots of parts within that that you can wear during the day. 248 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:52,680 And even the fact that I've got a long skirt in there with a 249 00:13:52,680 --> 00:13:56,080 tail on it, you know, in the black and white with a belt, 250 00:13:56,400 --> 00:14:00,520 it's very much great evening skirt that can be worn with 251 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:05,880 there's like a little Cape, kind of Bolaro type. 252 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:10,720 Jacket slips over your shoulders, waist, coats and all 253 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:13,360 works really well with it. But the fact that the skirt I'm 254 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:15,720 loving, you know these long skirts during the day with boots 255 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:19,360 and things and AT shirt. Yeah, so you know, I don't think 256 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:21,480 there's anything in there that you couldn't wear during the day 257 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:25,080 even there's like a tux coat that you could just throw over a 258 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:27,840 pair of white pants during the day and black shoes or 259 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:31,680 something. So you know, it's there's lots 260 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:34,120 of favorite pieces. Oh, I can't wait to see it 261 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,800 probably. You know, the last collection 262 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:40,760 had more, I guess a bit more typical caramel and pieces in 263 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:43,440 it. This has got a lot more of me in 264 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,920 it, so I would wear pretty much everything great. 265 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:51,400 Now today we're here to talk about style, your style. 266 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:55,200 How did you decide what you were going to put on to come here 267 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:58,560 today? I didn't think too long about it 268 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:00,000 and you never know with the weather, do you? 269 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:04,720 So I knew I had to walk, but so it was going to be flats and it 270 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:06,360 was just. Don't think about it. 271 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,560 The black roll neck, black trousers and black coat. 272 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,520 It's a uniform, isn't it? And the mirror, you are really 273 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:15,040 weird. I know it's the uniform in the 274 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:16,800 fashion industry. It really is. 275 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:20,240 I I often think of that uniform because for me, when I was 276 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,600 designing it, I I actually needed to put on a bit of a 277 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:27,560 uniform in the morning so that all I could focus on was the 278 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:31,680 colour, the design that I I just didn't even have to think about. 279 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:37,080 Exactly my And so actually, in a weird way, I'm enjoying getting 280 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:40,000 dressed more myself now. Yeah, I done when I was 281 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:40,920 designing. Yeah, yeah. 282 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:43,360 No, I agree with that. But it was the other thing that 283 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:47,400 makes me laugh about this whole black uniform type thing is did 284 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:49,560 you ever go to Premier Vision and you sort of like walk down 285 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:54,320 there and it was a sea of black, Absolutely twice a year for 286 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:55,680 three days. I love. 287 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:58,400 That event and I actually, I think I'm going to go back just 288 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:00,240 for the fun of it. Do you know what I was thinking 289 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:03,880 that the other day is just just that, those sort of football 290 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:07,680 pitch size? It was exhibition of just 291 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:10,240 exhausting but. Fantastic. 292 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:14,480 Yeah, Now you grew up in Kent. Were you surrounded by fashion 293 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:16,640 and style? From a young age, No, not at 294 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:19,880 all. No, I don't know really where 295 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:24,040 that came from. I mean, no, none of my family 296 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:27,720 were in that industry. Or do you remember, though, your 297 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:32,520 first I call it your sartorial memory, that moment that you 298 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:35,880 thought, oh, this really makes me feel good? 299 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:38,000 Or it really doesn't make me feel good? 300 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:41,080 I know this is a I've been thinking about this question and 301 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:44,120 it's a really hard one to answer because I can't actually 302 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:47,760 remember one moment. I feel like I was born with this 303 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:52,480 within my veins and I've always been interested in in clothes 304 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:58,080 right from a young age, so I used to watch my mum sew. 305 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,680 And really, I think through the lack of of money she used to 306 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:06,599 make our clothes, my sister and myself, So if they were like we 307 00:17:06,599 --> 00:17:10,119 come from like quite a big family, both parents had big 308 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:13,240 families so it was quite a few weddings going on and we'd have 309 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,480 the odd holiday which my mum might make something new to 310 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:18,640 wear, so. I kind of remember her always 311 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:22,200 sewing, but I was always very instrumental in in what it was 312 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:23,680 that she was going to make for us. 313 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:26,000 I was going to say, were you very involved in that process? 314 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:29,240 And until the point came when I could actually make my own, but 315 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:33,800 I also used to have my dolls that I dress my my Cindy doll, I 316 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:36,400 would always dress and make her clothes. 317 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:39,720 So it was something that was built in me from a young age and 318 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:44,440 actually from a frustration of being small and not having 319 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:47,960 access to. Fashionable clothes at that time 320 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:51,480 because you know, we we didn't have what's available now. 321 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,240 It was very limited. You know, we would have to go up 322 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:57,360 to Lewisham or something to CN as to buy something that was 323 00:17:57,360 --> 00:18:02,400 like fairly, you know, on trend. And for me, as I say, I was 324 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:04,960 quite small so nothing really fitted me. 325 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:08,120 So it was a lot of it was out of frustration for not being able 326 00:18:08,120 --> 00:18:11,360 to afford or find something that I that was fashionable, that I 327 00:18:11,360 --> 00:18:15,560 liked so. Yeah, I guess it was way back 328 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:16,880 then. And then even going through 329 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:21,160 school, my secondary school, I would, I think it must have 330 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:24,280 been, I guess, around about punk, the punk era. 331 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:28,040 So for me that was quite revolutionary in terms of, wow, 332 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:29,640 these people look really different. 333 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:32,600 I I kind of love it. Not to the extent that I loved 334 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:36,800 all the music, but I just loved the the freedom to dress the way 335 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:39,440 that people were dressing it. And so I touched on that 336 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:40,920 personally, my friend and I would. 337 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:44,720 You know, have our dark lipstick and we have our pink plastic 338 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:47,680 mats on and, you know, masses of safety. 339 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:51,280 Pins everywhere. So, so got into that trend and 340 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:54,400 and really from that just continued. 341 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:58,640 So yeah, I just knew then it was and I suppose I used to go to 342 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:02,280 school and and my teachers were like, you know, that's not, you 343 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:04,440 know, conforming to the uniform, you know. 344 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,720 So I left my hair a bit of a different colour or, you know, 345 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,160 be asymmetric or something different. 346 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:12,680 And they'd frown upon me. But do you know what was really 347 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:14,560 sweet? My headmistress at the time 348 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:18,440 could see this within me, could see this passion within me. 349 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:20,360 And she was very prim and proper. 350 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:24,000 And as she'd sit in her her office, and she would have a 351 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:28,080 stack of vogues and she would always give me her vogue that 352 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:31,440 she'd finished with. So I've got vogues that date 353 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:35,960 back to the 76, So I started collecting them after that. 354 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:39,800 So yeah, way back then I was always interested. 355 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,560 How amazing. I bumped into a very old school 356 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:45,360 friend the other day and she said, my God, I remember you 357 00:19:45,360 --> 00:19:48,040 were always at the back of the geography class with a Vogue. 358 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,320 My parents would really love hearing that. 359 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:59,360 But I read that you were you loved creating shirts. 360 00:19:59,360 --> 00:20:04,720 Now we both know enough about this to know that a shirt is not 361 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:08,520 the easiest piece to create. What's that about? 362 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:10,240 Well. I did. 363 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,400 I don't know why. I kind of mastered the art of 364 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:14,920 making shirts for some reason. Like you say, they're quite 365 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:15,960 tricky. It's amazing. 366 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:19,000 I tempted it now. I'd I'd struggle, but I just 367 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:20,720 went. Really complex, yeah. 368 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:23,320 And then it just so happened that I saw this. 369 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:24,960 I was. I don't even know where I was, 370 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:28,320 but I was somewhere and there was this box with these remnant 371 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:32,880 fabric outside the door and it was all this sea island cotton 372 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:34,560 or stripe cock. Gorgeous. 373 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,320 I just got to have that, you know, that's got shirts written 374 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:40,120 all over it. So that kind of pushed me into 375 00:20:40,120 --> 00:20:41,520 making these shirts just for friends. 376 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,120 So that was basically the first thing that I did once I'd left 377 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:46,520 college. And then did you use the Sea 378 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:49,560 Island cotton in other pieces other than shirts? 379 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:53,560 I don't think I did at the time. I think, you know, it was quite 380 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,320 narrow, wasn't it? Yeah, she's always quite narrow. 381 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:01,800 So, no, I think that's what led us on to buying this white 382 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:03,360 cotton. That was the next stage. 383 00:21:03,360 --> 00:21:06,400 Well, we got the opportunity and it's, you know, 100 meters or 384 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,880 whatever, but this cotton gave me the opportunity to actually 385 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:15,280 produce a very bland collection. But it's sold. 386 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,280 That's it. It got me started in the lens or 387 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,720 you know, my mum then said, you know, let's do a close party at 388 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,760 the house. Oh, I love that. 389 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:26,640 I know. I mean, I love it now as well. 390 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:30,840 By the time it's like I know. And I was so shy and so she was 391 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:34,720 so keen for me to get out and do something after leaving college. 392 00:21:35,120 --> 00:21:37,320 And I was really quite scared about going out into the 393 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:39,720 industry. I felt really, you know, I I 394 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:43,400 come from a small town in Kent and I I wasn't really moving in 395 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:46,880 those circles and I I just felt I didn't know where to go. 396 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:50,160 But she was really encouraging me to go into little boutiques 397 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:53,800 and say you know, you know, with a little collection and try to 398 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:55,680 sell, which I did in some little places. 399 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,480 We ended up selling to some little boutiques, independent 400 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,120 boutiques and we did market stores and all the things that 401 00:22:01,120 --> 00:22:03,360 you do, you know when you're trying to get things off the 402 00:22:03,360 --> 00:22:05,360 ground. So the closed parties were 403 00:22:05,360 --> 00:22:09,400 something that became a regular thing for the next two years, 404 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,600 really until we actually opened our first shop. 405 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,880 It's interesting, isn't it, the fashion industry, Because so 406 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:20,520 often, yes, talent is hugely, hugely important. 407 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:25,120 It's an indelible part of of success, but also actually 408 00:22:25,120 --> 00:22:29,960 having the balls to go out there and say this is what I do and I 409 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:34,240 believe in it and I love it. That for me, was the hardest. 410 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:35,000 What is it? And it is. 411 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:39,480 And I think, yeah, I totally agree with you. 412 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,960 And I think I'm lucky in the fact that I met Kevin because 413 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:47,400 had it not been for him, I would never have done what I've done 414 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:51,000 and achieve what we achieved and vice versa probably. 415 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,520 Yeah. So we were very compatible in 416 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:55,840 the sense that we brought different things to the table. 417 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:57,560 Yeah. And it worked. 418 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:02,640 We'll chapeau to that. I mean we both had a very hands 419 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,520 on approach to the start of our businesses by the sounds of 420 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,600 things, sort of serving customers all days and day and 421 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,560 then making clothes all night at the weekend. 422 00:23:11,120 --> 00:23:15,680 Do you remember how your style evolved personally through that 423 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:20,280 time? Yeah. 424 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:25,360 Well, I guess it was a case of what one was, what fabrics we 425 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,440 could get a hold of. So we were dictated a little bit 426 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,720 by that. But I think also at that time we 427 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,640 were lucky in the sense that it was the 80s. 428 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,320 Everything was quite big and baggy, so big shoulders. 429 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:42,120 I'd done some patent cutting at college, so I knew the basics, 430 00:23:42,120 --> 00:23:45,520 but I wasn't great on grading. But the idea that everything was 431 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:49,200 quite loose meant that I could. I lost my way through everything 432 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,680 and managed to do things one size. 433 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:56,200 I love that. So, so we did and I, you know it 434 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,600 it worked for a while until things I started wanting to sort 435 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,680 of you know get into the tailoring side of things. 436 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,520 And that's when I took on a pattern cutter and I gave her 437 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:08,200 the most complicated of jackets to do to start with and bless 438 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,920 her, she was young herself and had only recently come out of 439 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,200 college, university. And anyway, I challenged her. 440 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,960 She did it and and she stayed with us for a long time. 441 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:18,240 And the rest is his. Yeah. 442 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:22,200 So. I only mentioned that because I 443 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:26,440 I think there's sort of this was a particular chapter in your 444 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:30,360 life and sometimes the different chapters in our lives lead us to 445 00:24:30,360 --> 00:24:34,640 different sartorial choices. It certainly has changed, I 446 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:40,480 think in terms of, you know, say go through the punk era to the 447 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:44,800 80s and you know, I went through that whole Japanese sort of 448 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:50,480 stage and the Belgium speech. And it's been, although I've 449 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:58,160 always had a great love of kind of utilitarian kind of wear and 450 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:02,680 vintage, a lot of that. I think probably because, again, 451 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,120 not being able to afford designer clothes or, you know, 452 00:25:05,120 --> 00:25:08,600 expensive clothes. So I'd shop in thrift clothes 453 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,160 stores. But that hones your eye. 454 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:16,280 Yeah, definitely. And that was a little bit of 455 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:22,080 upcycling then because there would be some surplus where the 456 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,000 army surplus, that type of thing and then you make them your own 457 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:28,720 that and yeah, actually Lawrence Corner was a go to play out then 458 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:31,880 and was so cool. So you kind of like, and I've 459 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:38,080 always been quite androgynous in my style most of the way 460 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:42,160 through, apart from my I did have a little phase which I 461 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,160 don't know if you'll come on to, so I don't want to say too much. 462 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,640 Yeah, certainly. Say, say, you know, I think when 463 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:51,720 we sold the company and and you, you find yourself with, you 464 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:56,320 know, wealthy and you're able to afford all those things that you 465 00:25:56,360 --> 00:25:57,720 couldn't do before. Yeah. 466 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,520 And I found myself being amongst people that dress differently. 467 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,520 Maybe they were more glamorous and they were, and that's how I 468 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:08,120 ended up dressing, a bit more glamorous, which really me. 469 00:26:08,360 --> 00:26:11,520 Were you spending a lot of money at the time on your clothes? 470 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,280 Do you think as a result of that? 471 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,560 Yeah, I guess I was. I could afford to buy more 472 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,600 expensive clothes, so I bought more clothes, but the style of 473 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,320 the clothing got a bit more glitzy, if you see what I mean? 474 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,040 It was a little bit. It wasn't really true to my 475 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,320 character. I felt almost like I was having 476 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,920 an added body experience that's particularly fascinating on it. 477 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:32,760 I think, you know, where was I going with that? 478 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,400 It's not really me who. Was that who was that person 479 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,080 actually on that? Because I felt like I needed to 480 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,560 be doing that. I felt almost like, well, you're 481 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:42,720 you're, you know, you're a wealthy woman now. 482 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,360 You should be, you know, dressing this way and behaving 483 00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:48,080 this way. So I kind of went on that that 484 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,600 journey with other people around me and but when I look back and 485 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:56,800 that was just so not me. But I know you went through a 486 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,800 particularly unpleasant court case because when you were 487 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:04,080 fighting for the right to use your name and I wondered how did 488 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:08,320 you you dress to empower yourself in court to. 489 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,040 That's interesting. Yeah, I bought a couple of new 490 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,560 pieces actually purposely poor. Where from? 491 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:21,000 I bought a couple of dresses. God, I can't even remember who 492 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,920 the one of them was. A mosquito, actually. 493 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,280 Would you say they were power pieces? 494 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,520 I definitely bought them with the, you know, with that kind of 495 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,840 in mind that they, they made me feel quite empowered. 496 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,480 Yeah, quite structured and you know, just strong. 497 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,600 So yeah, there was definitely an element of my mindset thinking I 498 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,560 have to go in here. Feeling in control and strong 499 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:49,160 didn't really help me much, but. Well, it helped you at the time. 500 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:50,960 It made me get, you know, I got through it. 501 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,440 As the founder of an eponymous brand, did you ever feel the 502 00:27:55,440 --> 00:28:00,000 pressure to dress the part, to be seen as the embodiment of the 503 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:05,200 brand? I think during the time there 504 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:09,400 wasn't that many occasions when we actually socialized, but 505 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:13,800 particularly on these events where people would know who you 506 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,440 are. So I was very much that those 20 507 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,920 years were very much working, being a mother and just getting 508 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,760 on with the job. So it wasn't really until I came 509 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,800 out of it, but I actually started going to events and 510 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,600 became a bit more recognized. People didn't know what I looked 511 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:32,360 like. But, but the whole landscape of 512 00:28:32,360 --> 00:28:34,960 fashion has changed, I would say. 513 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,960 Yeah, since that era to where it is now. 514 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,960 Yeah, I think you're right. I think it probably has. 515 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,800 And so the pressure now, yeah, I do feel the pressure to be 516 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:49,360 obviously to dress well if I'm going on occasion or whatever. 517 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:54,080 I do feel that you're being judged so that and I, you know, 518 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,000 it makes you understand the pressure that some of these, you 519 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,600 know, well known people are under at times when they have to 520 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:03,040 do the red carpet and all these things because you know, people 521 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,800 are ready to put you down at the moment. 522 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,560 Out of interest, being a a fashion person, do you find 523 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:15,000 yourself reading what someone is wearing? 524 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:20,040 Reading as in. Just sort of not judging, but 525 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,440 reading. You have an opinion. 526 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,920 Yes. And you know, I don't look at 527 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,960 these things and I don't, I don't watch these things that 528 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:31,760 often, you know, the Baftas or whatever. 529 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,640 I might glimpse something that's, you know, there's a 530 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,480 magazine or something on Instagram or something. 531 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,480 Social media. And I might look at it and 532 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,440 think, oh, I wouldn't have put that on you or whatever. 533 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,880 You know, there's some of them are quite shocking and then 534 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,760 others are great. But you know, that's a lot of 535 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:50,000 it's down to the stylist, isn't it? 536 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,400 Because you know, most of them just wear what their stylists 537 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,320 tell them and sometimes they don't always get it right. 538 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,640 It's a pressure, huge pressure, huge pressure. 539 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:01,360 Me, you know, you have to take in consideration all the 540 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:05,480 elements of yourself and and you know your age, your size and and 541 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,160 trying to sort of enhance the best parts of you. 542 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,720 And as you get older, I think it becomes a little bit harder as 543 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,360 well. Yes, but I think. 544 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,920 We know who we are. We do it more, I mean. 545 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,520 As we get older what would you what would your advice be to 546 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:25,160 similar age women who are struggling a little bit with 547 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,000 sort of knowing who they are. Yeah I but I think even for the 548 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,840 likes of us I don't know about you but for me even going in 549 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,320 though in through those transitions of age, not that you 550 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,520 it's like a right one minute you're that and then you're 551 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,680 that. It is a slow transition and 552 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:44,000 sometimes you have to check yourself and think actually, can 553 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:48,200 I do that anymore or should I be doing this or what actually does 554 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,120 suit me? So sometimes it's a good idea 555 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,480 just to go and and try things you've never tried before. 556 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,120 I I totally agree. And then I'm a big fan of a a 557 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,560 wardrobe selfie or a, you know, a mirror selfie. 558 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,600 And then looking at it and thinking, yes, I've done that 559 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,280 recently. Actually, what should that woman 560 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,960 be wearing? Yeah, I I did this the other day 561 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,360 actually. And I I looked at it again a few 562 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,720 days on, actually. I was like, oh God, no, no. 563 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,880 It's it's quite useful though I I always think sort of. 564 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,400 I find it easier to look at something in the third person 565 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:22,560 sometimes. I always used to design and 566 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:26,120 mirror it with a mirror. I'd like to look at the design 567 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,240 in the mirror rather than straight on. 568 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,000 If yeah, if I agree, yeah, but yeah. 569 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,720 I think you have to experiment a bit. 570 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:39,760 But I think as you get older you there's certain things you want 571 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:41,280 to cover up. Yeah. 572 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:45,840 And it's about finding your the best parts and trying to, you 573 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,960 know, embrace those parts, Yeah. Good answer. 574 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,440 Do you have a huge archive of Karen Mills? 575 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,560 No. Oh yeah, I wish I had. 576 00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:03,080 I've got a huge archive of clothes which I've always been 577 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:07,640 reluctant to get rid of because as my children or my daughter 578 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,800 probably would say when she says, oh, well, do you need. 579 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,680 It's all, you know, I need it for reference. 580 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,800 I might need it for reference one day, you know. 581 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,920 And I'm so pleased I've kept it now and I had the luxury of 582 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,640 having the space to do that, but not so much now. 583 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,320 So I've had everything in boxes and things, so it's more 584 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:26,920 difficult. But recently I've been going 585 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,160 through it again and you're finding things that you've 586 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:30,360 forgotten you have and it's great. 587 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:31,960 It feels like you've just got a new wardrobe. 588 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,000 But yes, going back to have a caramel in pieces. 589 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:40,520 I've got, I've got quite a few pieces, but nowhere near as me 590 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:45,040 as I'd like to have had. And if only you knew what was 591 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:49,080 going to happen, you would have hung on to a few, I think. 592 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,240 I think people that work for us probably got more more than what 593 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:56,000 I've got in my wardrobe. You know, I know that some of my 594 00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:00,040 old customers have way more. Amanda Wakeley Than I do, Yeah, 595 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,000 exactly. Which I I find really in 596 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:06,200 duration as well, but I do have any fact that was another funny 597 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:07,920 story. I've got a couple of really old 598 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:13,280 pieces that when we very first started, so back in the 80s, and 599 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,200 I I took them into the office the other day. 600 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,800 And and as I say, some of the guys that are so young and 601 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:19,320 they're like, oh, my God, what did that? 602 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:20,600 This is amazing. Yeah. 603 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,040 And one of the pieces that I'd actually had made myself. 604 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:25,400 Oh, lovely. So, yeah. 605 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:26,720 And they got the old labels on them. 606 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,560 Oh, that label's really cool. We should do the label again. 607 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,800 So yeah, I mean, it's nice to have kept a few other pieces, 608 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,280 but I wish I'd got more. Do you have a style icon? 609 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,760 I've always quite admired Cate Blanchett because she's just, 610 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,520 she rocks it. She just rocks everything. 611 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:48,320 She's that chameleon that just can be so cool in any part she 612 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,680 plays. And yeah, she's just so cool, 613 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:56,120 so, so cool. I have to say, I do like Daphne 614 00:33:56,120 --> 00:34:00,720 Guinness because she just is the master at being, I don't know, 615 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:05,000 just having fun really. She's she's got that well 616 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,600 ability just to be who, you know, play dress up, really. 617 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,080 I mean, who wouldn't want to play dress up like she does? 618 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:15,840 You can, you can see how she's been amused again and again 619 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:19,159 because she's got this beautiful silhouette and this 620 00:34:19,159 --> 00:34:23,440 extraordinary hair and spirit. Yeah, she's just unique really, 621 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,320 so that I do admire her and I I look at her and think, wow, you 622 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:32,600 know, she's she's cool. If someone were to describe your 623 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:37,480 style DNA in three words, what would you want those words to 624 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,760 be? Shall we say contemporary like 625 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,679 today? Almost classic contemporary, but 626 00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:48,360 I like a bit of rock chick and I like that androgynous look. 627 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:52,199 Really so. From from what I know of you, I 628 00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:55,239 think that really sums you up. Yeah, love that. 629 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,640 Do you have one item of clothing that means the most to you? 630 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:03,560 I've had a few pieces probably over the years, but there's one 631 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,400 or two pieces that you, you keep in your wardrobe and they just 632 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:10,360 keep coming back out and they still work and that's always 633 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,560 amazing. I mean, I've got a particularly 634 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,360 amazing black Gucci dress from Tom Ford days. 635 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,000 It's so classic, but the fabrics beautiful and the cut is it's. 636 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,640 Coming will be sublime and I can put that on when I can squeeze 637 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:25,640 into it and actually put on a little bit of weight at the 638 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:29,480 moment. So it's left on in in the closet 639 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,840 at the moment. But it is one of those dresses 640 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,720 that you know, I know I can put on and feel $1,000,000. 641 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,920 Do you think you ever had a worst fashion moment? 642 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,680 Yes. We're going to share it what I 643 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,040 was talking about earlier in that sense that I kind of 644 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:49,760 drifted off into this world of glamour that wasn't really me. 645 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,480 I mean, yeah, of course I like nice jewellery. 646 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,360 I like to sort of wear a bit of bling from time to time, but I 647 00:35:55,360 --> 00:36:00,160 probably was dressing in a way that just didn't really suit my 648 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,520 personality. I was just trying to be 649 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,240 something I wasn't or or trying to be what I thought I should be 650 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,320 because I'd suddenly come into wealth. 651 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:14,320 And do you think that aged you out of interest? 652 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,000 Was that less public than you are now? 653 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:18,760 Yeah, definitely. I mean, I have. 654 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:20,880 I'm not saying I dress like that all the time, but, you know, if 655 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,920 it was an occasion I'd I'd find I'd be dressing up, you know, 656 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,600 differently to what I would. I think I'd lost my coolness. 657 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:30,360 Yeah. And did you change your hair 658 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,160 with that? Yes. 659 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:37,040 Or even more flow dried and blow dried and that and interesting, 660 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:39,400 interesting, and you're wrinkling your nose. 661 00:36:39,720 --> 00:36:41,920 I know it. Just I cringe at that. 662 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,960 And when I look at photographs, I'm thinking, who is that? 663 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:50,040 Isn't it funny though? I mean, you know, our clothes do 664 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,320 really tell a story. They do do. 665 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,680 You ever have a big old clear out of your wardrobe? 666 00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:02,640 I'm trying to do that now because as I say, I do have 667 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,760 quite a quite a lot and it tends to be in boxes a lot at the 668 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:11,040 moment and I'm sort of transitioning between where I'm 669 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,360 going to be. So there's lots of change. 670 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,760 So it's very difficult to actually organize anything. 671 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:21,160 But I am trying to get rid. I'm trying to edit now and 672 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:26,400 think, OK, what are these pieces, you know, am I going to 673 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,720 wear them again? Maybe not, but is there 674 00:37:29,720 --> 00:37:32,280 something of relevance that I can use from keeping them? 675 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,440 If it's no, then we have to get rid of it. 676 00:37:35,720 --> 00:37:38,160 So I try to. Doubt it because oh absolutely. 677 00:37:38,240 --> 00:37:40,760 Yeah, It's a great feeling. And not just with clothing. 678 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,280 It's with furniture and all your bits and pieces around you. 679 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:48,400 Let's talk about travel. Do you pay particular attention 680 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,400 to what your airport look is going to be, what you're going 681 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,120 to travel in? That's so now than I used to. 682 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,800 I go for comfort more than anything and practicalities. 683 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,360 So I suppose my main thing is don't worry about because I 684 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:03,560 don't want to have to take about. 685 00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:05,680 I thought that off would happen so that's a no no. 686 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,120 So basically that cuts out jeans and everything else. 687 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:13,600 So I generally go to something that's like a tracky type panel 688 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:17,840 or something that's comfortable. So it is trousers because I live 689 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:19,680 in trousers most of the time anyway. 690 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:21,640 Your comfort really more than anything. 691 00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:25,280 And when I'm packing I am much more edited about obviously 692 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:26,920 depending where I'm going and how long for. 693 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:30,800 But you know that whole weight issue is a big thing, so I try 694 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,440 to be quite strict. It's the shoes that sort of can 695 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:38,240 add you know weight and space. So I try to be a bit more 696 00:38:38,240 --> 00:38:39,800 limited about what I'm wearing and. 697 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:41,560 I was going to say, are you a good Packer? 698 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,320 Bad Packer, I would say. I'm a fairly good Packer and 699 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,120 I've got it down to quite a good art now really. 700 00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,320 And how do you deal with the shoe thing? 701 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,640 Because I think that is a real art. 702 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,480 Because I. I think shoes can be really 703 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,720 transformative, definitely. And I think they're really 704 00:38:57,720 --> 00:39:01,480 important that they are. And I it does depend where 705 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,320 you're going because obviously if you're going somewhere where 706 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,680 you need heels, you definitely want some flats as well. 707 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,400 So you've got to have a combination of something that 708 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,280 works with across all of the things that you're taking with 709 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,600 you. So I do try to lay out and think 710 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:17,320 about, OK, what are my occasions, what do I need. 711 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:21,040 So I will in my mind sort of try and lay out those items and 712 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,960 decide what shoes are going to, you know, I'll be able to use, 713 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:27,720 you know, throughout that collection. 714 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:32,120 So 3 pairs of shoes probably would be my next. 715 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,120 Good girl. I mean, I'd take more if I 716 00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:40,320 could, but. In terms of your wardrobe, what 717 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,400 do you feel, if anything, that you have an excessive amount of 718 00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:48,800 everything? No, no, I think probably. 719 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:50,520 I was quite shocked when I pulled out. 720 00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,360 My summer went through a lot of my boxes and I pulled out all 721 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,920 these jackets and they're mainly black. 722 00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,080 Of course. I looked and I thought, my God, 723 00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,120 I'll never need to buy another black jacket again. 724 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,840 There's just so many here. But of course you still. 725 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,920 I was going to say. And then and then that is then 726 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,040 we something. You haven't got that perfect. 727 00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,000 Yeah, new black jacket. Just appeared. 728 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,800 So I did and but you know, I used to buy a lot of handbags 729 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,520 because I was never really big on. 730 00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,680 Although I love shoes, I've got big feet and I'm only little. 731 00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:23,080 So I was always conscious of my footwear and unlimited by what I 732 00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,360 would wear, and I didn't want to draw attention to them. 733 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,400 So I thought, well OK, forget the shoes, I'll just it will all 734 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,160 be about the bag. So I used to buy a lot of bags. 735 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:36,120 OK, so guilty secret. What is the most expensive item 736 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,520 that you've ever bought? I'm not asking the price tag, 737 00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,400 but clothing. No, it could be an accessory. 738 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,120 Sounds like it could be an accessory. 739 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,040 It would have been jewelry, probably watches and jewelry. 740 00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:49,880 They would have been the most expensive. 741 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:56,600 But clothing, probably, probably coats. 742 00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:00,760 I've bought some expensive coats I did buy and which I was gutted 743 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:02,840 about. Once I bought a fur coat and 744 00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:04,480 lost it. Well, it was stolen in a 745 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,120 cloakroom. Have you ever justified an 746 00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,480 expensive purchase with pounds per wear? 747 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,440 Always. Yeah. 748 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,640 Absolutely, I mean. Value for money. 749 00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,360 If you're wearing it all the time, it's cheap. 750 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,560 So what's your approach to sustainable fashion? 751 00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,920 I. Think I've always been conscious 752 00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:29,240 of not wasting because you know, I grew up in a family that that 753 00:41:29,240 --> 00:41:31,400 we had little and and we had to make do. 754 00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:35,920 So I've always been conscious of not wasting things and certainly 755 00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:39,520 now as I say, I'm recycling in my wardrobe and I'm having a lot 756 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,680 of fun with it. So I I love doing that, and I 757 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,200 love to see that. You know, the younger generation 758 00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:49,120 are more aware of this now and there's a lot more recycling and 759 00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:52,440 upcycling going on. What would you say is the oldest 760 00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,760 piece in your wardrobe? Well, it was probably one of 761 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,000 those Karen Milan pieces that I was just talking about. 762 00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:01,440 I think it probably is. I think this, this dress that I 763 00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,240 pulled out, I think that must be, it's got to be. 764 00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:06,400 It's got to be the oldest thing in. 765 00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,080 Great. Let's just turn on to some quick 766 00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,080 fire questions. What fashion advice would you 767 00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:19,280 give your 20 year old self? Oh, I just be yourself. 768 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,000 Good one. True to yourself, which fashion 769 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,400 trend would you most like to see make a comeback do? 770 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:30,040 You know, everything comes back, doesn't it? 771 00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:31,760 Really? I'm loving the fact that the 70s 772 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:35,320 is back at the moment. What's the 70s? 773 00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:39,280 What fashion or beauty trend would you consign to Room 101? 774 00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,840 Probably. Oh, those big bows of the 80s, 775 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,920 big bows and puffball skirts. You were going to say puffles 776 00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:52,960 because? Yeah, there's some horrendous 777 00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,040 pictures of of some of the earlier collections actually 778 00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:57,720 with these big bows on them and taffeta. 779 00:42:57,720 --> 00:43:00,560 And that's like, you know, the whole Diana wedding days. 780 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:05,080 It's like, thanks, what was your last impulse spy? 781 00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:11,680 Probably probably be shaped shoes now, boots shoes, because 782 00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:17,160 because I am actually upcycling, recycling, I'm wearing a lot of 783 00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:21,680 my old clothes shoes. I'm heavy on my shoes so you do 784 00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:25,200 need to replace them. So I think that would be my my 785 00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:29,560 go to at the moment views on tattoos. 786 00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:36,760 Love them blow dry or manicure. Oh, blow dry, High end or High 787 00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:38,000 Street. Well, actually saying that I 788 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:43,760 don't know both, both was sorry, what was the high end or High 789 00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,120 Street? Or high end minimalism or 790 00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:50,040 maximalism. Minimalism. 791 00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:55,160 That thing with the math sometimes Crocs. 792 00:43:55,240 --> 00:44:03,160 Q No sneakers or stilettos? Both sports lux or rock'n'roll? 793 00:44:05,240 --> 00:44:07,840 I do a bit of both, but I suppose mine more rock'n'roll 794 00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:12,360 glamour grunge. Again, it's baldry, really. 795 00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:16,080 Sort of the bit of both crosses over skinnies or boyfriends. 796 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:18,960 I think I'm more boyfriends, really. 797 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,720 Trend or style or style? Definitely. 798 00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,960 Color or monochrome? Monochrome. 799 00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:27,440 Little. Plain. 800 00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,840 Plain. Experimental or uniform. 801 00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,680 Good at both. Cashmere or cotton? 802 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,120 Both. Order or editor? 803 00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:42,000 Order shapewear or sexy lingerie. 804 00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,960 Again, a bit of both there because I find it really hard to 805 00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,600 get in shapely underwear to fit. I mean, you all comfort, don't 806 00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:52,360 you? At the end of the day, bikini or 807 00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:56,000 one piece. Bikini Beanie or baseball cap, 808 00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:00,000 Beanie. And finally, at the end of the 809 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,160 day, what do you or don't you wear in bed? 810 00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,640 Usually I love my pajamas. I do love to get into pair of 811 00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:12,840 cotton pajamas or silk pajamas, but often nothing. 812 00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:17,280 But I like to get ready for bed earlier, so sort of minching 813 00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,360 around in pet pajamas is is probably my fave. 814 00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:25,920 What a pleasure to go on this style journey with you today. 815 00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:27,400 Thank you. I'm talking about. 816 00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:28,600 Style Thank you, don't we.