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Today I'm going on a style journey with the celebrated
author, entrepreneur, television personality, the woman
affectionately known to her grandchildren as Gangster Gran
the Inevitable and fabulous Joe Wood.
Oh, it's so nice to be here, Amanda.
Welcome Joe, It's lovely, lovely to have you here.
I was sort of, as I was preparing for this, I was trying
to remember different moments that our paths have crossed.
And I do remember coming out to your wonderful Mrs. Paisley's
lashing. Oh.
Yes. God, that was that.
Was great, wasn't it? Fantastic.
Just mentioned that today actually to my son.
It was fantastic because it was all in your house.
It was just brilliant, yeah. It was at that time when
everybody was doing pop up nightclubs, pop up restaurants,
pop up galleries, and I heard about, I went to a nightclub
actually, and I was telling my son-in-law, I said I went to
this fantastic nightclub, it's going to be closed in six
months. He said it's called a pop up.
I said that's fantastic, how amazing.
And I sat there and I thought, gosh, I've got this big house,
why don't I do a pop up restaurant?
And he said, good idea, Joe. And it was a fantastic success.
Wasn't. It it was great.
I should do another one. Northamptonshire Do you think
that I. Don't know so many people come
out to Northamptonshire. Now you have just released this
novel, The Resurrection of Flo, which has had me chuckling, I
have to admit, and a fantastic and I just want to know what
inspired you to write this? I never wanted to write a book
at all, but I went on a date with a man and he sat there
telling me how he split up with his wife.
That's romantic and. I walked out of there and I
thought what a brilliant story. I'd love to put that in a book.
And that was it. I couldn't stop thinking about
it. And then I was thinking about
his ex-wife. I was worried about somebody I
didn't know and and it's Flo just sort of appeared.
And how did you name her Flo? I've always loved the name
Florence. I think if I'd had another
little girl, I'd have called her Florence.
Leah and Florence, yeah, yeah. So Flo was going to be her name.
And any autobiographical references in this?
You'll never know. Maybe, maybe just little.
There's lots of influences. Influences.
I like that. Yeah, I like that.
Do you think you've got another book in you?
Yes. What would it be?
It it's going to, it's some, it's what happens to Flo next.
I keep thinking about what's going to happen to her.
You've got really. Crazy, I was going to say,
you've got really attached to the character, haven't you?
And when I finished that book, I sat there and I thought, what am
I going to do now? What am I going to do now?
Oh, I'll draw her. So I drew her.
Oh fabulous. Fabulous.
What does she wear? She she's quite slim or she had
to she has to get back in the gym in there.
But then she meets a great stylist who starts dressing her
in vintage clothes. Oh, love that, which is
something that I love. So maybe that's a little bit as
well of me. Of course, it has to be a bit of
me. So she wears vintage Alia.
Oh, lucky she wears just things like that.
Robbie keeps bringing her outfits and he says I'm going to
make you look beautiful, darling, because she's been
tucked away for 30 years as a wife.
What other projects are you excited about right now?
I am about to launch my supplements which are called
Longevity Wellness and they are three mushrooms and three roots.
So I've got lion's mane, Turkey tail, Cordyceps, Ashwanger.
Oh gosh, the brains gone. Hi Chu Wu, which is this
wonderful route from China, which all the old folks take for
longevity. And it's great for the hair,
great for the nails and maca. Maca balances your hormones.
So they they're about to come out soon.
We're just waiting on packaging. Fabulous.
And you've clearly been taking all of this for.
Oh yeah, for years. And it's been it was your idea
to put all six of those ingredients together.
No, I wanted to do 3 routes and I went to my son Jamie and he
said why don't you? Because he he's into mushrooms,
medicinal mushrooms. And I went to Jamie.
I said come on, I want to do a powder for the coffee, which is
how I take them all. And he said let's do a
supplement, see how it goes and let me put in my lion's mane and
Turkey tail. And then we added coticeps.
That's interesting there's so much chat about lion's mane for
longevity. I grow.
It at home. Do you?
Yeah, it's. Easy.
Do you cook it? Yes, in fact, I've got lion's
mane in the fridge to cook tonight.
Well, you are a picture of glowing health, really.
But you are hot off the catwalk again.
Just tell me about that. I had a couple of great friends
called Vin and Omi who are sustainable fashion designers
and they take things like bottles from the Thames and they
make it into a thread and then they make it into jackets.
Or they've been working with Prince Charles and using nettles
or something from his garden to turn into a thread.
They've been used this show that Pruelith was in a parachute
dress. Do you know what I saw pictures
of the two of you. Yeah, she looked great, didn't
she? Yeah, I wore Latex.
How was it putting that on by? The way it's cold.
Oh do you have to put baby powder on or?
Well, it has. It had baby powder inside or on
and outside. And then they came with clothes
and polished you. Yeah.
Polish me down, they did. That must have been interesting.
Yeah, that was. Yeah, it was.
Did they get the pledge out? It was.
They I don't know what they were polishing me with.
Sounds weird but I love doing their shows.
I've, I think I've done about 7, yeah.
Because way back age 16, you became a model.
Yeah, I I left home, I went. First of all, my mum made me do
a Lucy Clayton Remember Lucy Clayton modelling course and.
I had to. Walk with book on my head.
And did you do all those fancy turns the the full turn, the
turn and I had to do? That, but I can't remember those
now and then. And so that was when I was 14,
and then I was 16. All I could think of was being
like Twiggy. She was my hero.
She still is. Yeah.
So I saw her the other day actually, coming out of Scots, I
mean. Oh, hi Twiggy.
And and so did you. You left Essex because you grew
up in Essex. Yeah, left Essex.
I was at a convent in Essex. Convent.
Yeah, Convent Essex girl. How did that rub off on you?
Did any sort of? Hated it, I only wanted to leave
school. Were you in a school uniform?
Yes, of course you were. I only wanted to leave school,
that was all. I wanted to go and be a model,
so I joined Gavin Robinson. Was he Gavin's at that time or
was it Gavin Robinson? It was Gavin Robinson.
Gavin Yeah, Yeah. And then went from there to
Lorraine at No to Bobtons and then Lorraine Ashton.
In the meantime, I had met my first husband when I was 17.
Oh. My God, how old was he?
29. Right.
OK, my parents were not happy, but he was in the rag trade and
he had a company called She Type him and Stephen Morris.
Yeah. And so I married him at 18 in
Las Vegas. And were you in a a white
wedding dress? No, I had a cream dress on that
Peter had got. Yeah.
Did you like it? Yeah, it's all right.
I've only got one picture of that day in Vegas.
Then I realised, came pregnant, realised I'd made a mistake,
went running home to mum. Pregnant.
Yes, but then I had to see, I saw out the pregnant thing and I
stayed with Peter, but I wasn't happy and and then at 19 I went
back to, I went to Bobtons and started working again.
And the rest then you. Worked for a couple of years.
Yeah. And were you doing editorial?
Were you doing the magazines? Or were you doing?
I was doing catalogues or. I did catalogues, I did
commercials, and what else is it?
19 Honey Jackie Magazine, all those.
Do you still have those? Some of them, yeah.
And you look back at them with Leah and just have a giggle and.
Well, she doesn't want need to, she doesn't want to sort of.
She doesn't sit there and say, Mum, can I see your role
modelling? Pictures, yeah, but you must
have at some point. Look at your mother.
Yeah, all right, Mum, You know,
it's one of those. And then I met Ronnie.
And how did you meet him? I met Ronnie at a party in
Sheffield Terrace in Kensington that I didn't want to go to
because I thought oh I'm going to know.
Everybody dragged my ex-boyfriend Richard along with
me, walked in into the party and he started following me
everywhere. It was very funny.
He was completely mad. And you were immediately aware
of who he was? I I knew I'd seen him somewhere
before, but I was never a Rolling Stones fan ever.
And he said to me, do you know who I am?
And he showed me the album cover of Black and Blue and he said So
what do you do? And I said I thought he was a
bit big headed so I told him I worked in Woolworths on the
Broken Biscuit counter, the cheapest counter that there was
in Woolworths. He said are you, why are you
not? Manager SI said no, no, I work
on the broken Biscuit counter. I have a son to support.
So yeah, I thought it was, I thought it was being really
funny. And then he next day he went to
try and find me at Woolworths. At the Broken Biscuit.
Name branch in Oxford Street, I said.
So how did he then track you down?
Went back to where the party was, which was friends of mine,
David and Lorraine and I was staying there and he came back
and I came back from work and and he was waiting there, he
said. You don't.
Woolworths. Yeah, he said.
You don't work in Woolworths. I spent the whole afternoon
outside the strike one for Jerk. Anyway, that was it really.
Was it then? Did you fancy him immediately?
Yeah, I thought he was the funniest guy I'd ever met.
Lovely. What were you wearing?
I know exactly. Night.
I know exactly what I was wearing.
I was wearing my granny's vintage Navy blue patterned
dress and a Harris tweed jacket and knee length Bieber boots.
I know exactly what I was wearing because I love vintage
even then. But I think it was a lot to do
with my mum because my mum was a doll maker.
You know the scary dolls? She used to make those and she
used to buy lots of vintage nighties and clothes to cut up
to make to Dole. To use the fabric.
And I used to go and have a look and oh, that, that's nice.
I'm going to take that and I'll dye it pink and put a, you know,
like those those bloomers I dyed pink and would wear them with a
belt or and did you? Ever go vintage shopping with
her or did you just shop in her? Scrap bag.
I just shopped in that scrap bag, and the blue dress I was
wearing was my granny's. Yeah, so I've always had this
thing about vintage clothes. I've always had it.
Wow, and then you skipped on to being a rock'n'roll girlfriend
bride. Yeah, well, we didn't get
married till I was 27, I think. That old SO did do you obviously
sort of went you lived the rock'n'roll lifestyle.
Went on tour. And how was that in terms of
your wardrobe? Gosh, because were you living
out of a suitcase or did you have a wardrobe on the tour
plane or? No, we used to, I used to pack
and we used to have 1212 suitcases and I, and especially
when we went on tour and we were gone a year, I'd have a suitcase
that had jumpers in, I'd have another one that had shoes and
boots in, another one that would have all these shirts.
But so when you arrived somewhere, you needed all 12
suitcases. They would all be put in the
room. You must have done some awesome
shopping on the tours. Yes, I, I remember when we went
to Japan, it was different then because all the shops that are
out now weren't then. Then like, you know, you could
get H&M anywhere in the world, but I remember going to Japan
and there were clothes in Japan that I couldn't get in.
In England. I remember going to Berlin.
I love Berlin. And I found these fantastic
boots and I bought a pair of red and a pair of yellow, but they
were handmade and nobody else had them.
Describe them to me. They were, I suppose they were
very 80s and they sort of puffed out, but they had a point at the
front of the boot like that. And you sort of like piratey
boots but in red. I had one pen red and one pen
yellow and it had little emblems and like in red and all around
it, it was, they were just beautiful.
Don't know what happened to them.
And in Japan, what were you buying?
I remember buying a really cool check jacket.
It's funny how you remember things.
And was that that was a Japanese designer or?
Yeah, I've got. I had my 40th birthday in Japan
and I went out and bought that jacket.
And I love that jacket. Don't know where it is now.
And kimonos. I've got beautiful kimonos, yes.
From Japan that you bought. I and I've got the Japanese
shoes as well with the two things like that and the.
The the geisha shoes, are they not impossible to walk in I.
I don't walk in them, Yeah. They're decorative.
I've got them, I had to have some.
And during that time, do you felt, did you feel that your
style, did it become more rock'n'roll because of the life
you were living? Yes, because I remember Ronnie
stealing my Ferrucci velvet jeans to wear on a video.
My pink Ferrucci jeans, I never saw them again.
Well, he just wore them. But it became my start because I
was working on tour. I had to wear black backstage,
and I got very into just buying black instead of that.
I wear such a lot of black these days.
But do you think having a lot of blonde hair impacted on the fact
that you love to wear black? Yes, and the fact that I wasn't
allowed to wear colour on stage. What?
Were you doing on stage? His wardrobe.
Oh, right. Change his jacket.
I I designed his jackets. Fabulous.
So where did you get those made? So I found in a antique shop a
little military jacket and it was thick.
And so I went to the, I think it was William Gilchrist, the
stylist, and I said, can I, can you have these copied for me?
And I did it also with a long jacket which was grey with gold
beading. So they copied them.
I I love doing that. And did he just trust you and
say get on with it? Yes, how cool.
And so he'd wear these amazing jackets with his jeans or with
your Ferrucci. No, he'd gone past the Ferrucci
by then. He I always put him in black
jeans and then a T-shirt, some T-shirt.
Yeah. And so you were in backstage.
Black jeans, T-shirts. Yeah, running around, oh, it's
raining quick, get the rain Mac out and stuff like that.
But I used to help the wardrobe, wardrobe girls, they were my
friends. And she would asked me to pick
up Mick's coat if I saw it then, you know, just things like that.
Yeah, I used to love doing that, but you weren't.
Involved in mix or? No, no, definitely not.
Or Keith's just Ronnie. Yeah.
And there was no, there weren't. There were no sort of
guidelines. I suppose they could just be
rock'n'roll artists. Yeah, well they there was always
colour guidelines were there because they would like a bright
jacket I suppose for the lights and everything.
And also I had to always go and check with what Mick was wearing
so it didn't clash. So did you have moments of
Ronnie? You can't wear that tonight,
Yeah. Mick says you can't wear that
tonight. What was the experience like
going from private individual to very, very public girlfriend of
a Rolling Stone? It wasn't like it is now.
We were quite, it was quite different because there were no
mobile phones and there and you could walk out in the streets
and nobody, occasionally somebody come and say can have
your autograph running, but but we could walk around and nobody
was bothering anybody. So much freer.
Yeah, we were. I read somewhere that when you
were living in New York, you designed for the fashion label.
No scruples. Lorraine had no scruples here in
England, OK? And she said if you want to
design something, I'll. If I like it, I'll get it
made-up. Yeah.
And if I really like it, we'll do a few of them.
So I would go to her and I'd say I've got this great idea for
this jacket. I've still got some stuff, some
suitcase somewhere. And then I designed suede
trousers for runny and T-shirts, suede little T-shirts,
sleeveless T-shirts for stage, stuff like that.
What fun? Yeah, you must have had a blast.
Did you do much vintage shopping for inspiration in those days?
Yes, because I think the vintage fashion is wonderful.
There's so many beautiful clothes out there.
Actually, Lorraine moved to New York and opened a store called
Geminola, which she takes vintage clothes.
You know, we really had that in common.
And she takes vintage clothes and she like nighties and slips
and she dyes them and gorgeous. So lots of, in fact, Leah's
wedding dress. Oh no, that wasn't for Lorraine.
Leah's wedding dress came from my friend Maraid.
Do you know Maraid, a vintage dress dealer?
Yes, she found Leah a most beautiful vintage wedding dress.
Talking wedding dresses What did you get married to Ronnie and.
I designed my own wedding dress. And where was it made?
In London. In London.
Lorraine's friend, the woman that was sewing for no scruples.
So I drew it out. I wanted to lace sleeves.
I wanted it lace here. Had to be like sat in because.
This was 1985. Yeah, Yeah.
Sat in straight down personally and then it coming out at the
bottom. And did you absolutely love it?
Yeah, £300 it cost. I mean, I'm guessing that your
wardrobe must be like a diary of your life.
Is actually is it enormous? I have lots of vintage clothes
that lots of them don't fit me anymore, but I can't bear to
part with them, so I put them all in bags and zip them up.
I have lots of Bieber. Aussie Clark.
Oh my God. This is a 1980s Celeron.
Yeah, I've got lots of stuff. And do you ever have a proper
blitz through? Because you must have like an
archive. The the vintage I won't get rid
of but I do have a blitz and need one now.
Actually of my clothes. I need to sort my clothes out.
And how do you go about that process?
It always fascinates me. Yeah, I hate it.
I just go through every hanger. Am I going to wear this?
I haven't worn it for three years.
Out Does it fit? Do I like it?
Yeah, what do I look like in there?
And how, how, I mean, I'm fascinated by this, but because
how long do you give yourself each time that you go and do a
sort? Because I I reckon we have a
sort of sort of time limit of concentration, appetite, all the
rest. Of it, yeah, I would spend a
day, I think, OK, all day. I'm going to go through
everything because then I'll pull stuff off the shelves as
well. Wow.
And then what do you do with everything?
The good stuff I give to my granddaughter who puts it on.
What's that one? Vinted.
Wonderful.
No, no, no. Vestier.
Vestier, yes, but I also have an account on Vinted.
When do you feel you found? Your style, gosh, I suppose I, I
don't think I've ever found my style.
I because I've we've got older. I've got older.
So my style in the 90s must have been all about it was all about
Gucci and Dolce Gabbana. I loved that and but it's
changed. It's changed as my body's
changed and so. How would you describe it now?
How would you describe your style now?
Country. No, you're sitting here in a in
a tiger print De St. Laurent 80s jacket.
I have to. It just changes all the time.
I love to wear vintage. I'll always love to wear
vintage, but whereas I could wear it a little tiny dress and
a jacket, I can't now at my age. And so if I were to ask you to
describe your style DNA in three words, what 3 words do you think
those would? Be maybe eclectic.
Yeah. Comfortable.
Really important to me as I've got older to be really
comfortable and fun. Like that?
Yeah. I like that actually.
I'd like to try and put a little bit of sexy in there sometimes.
Oh, I think when I think of you, I always think of sexy.
Oh. Cool.
No, your sexy makeup, sexy hair, your sexy clothes.
I mean, we're talking about age a little bit here.
Are there any particular areas of your body that you now dress
around? Or I hate my arms.
I can't say I hate my arms. I'm I'm not happy with my arms
and my legs aren't great like they used to be.
So styling hacks that you use at your age to still look the cool
Joe that you are. Yeah, and well, I suppose I'm
happy with anything that comes to here.
And I liked I think a jacket can cover all sins.
But it's transformative too, isn't it?
Yeah, I think very really important to put a jacket on for
me, yeah. And do you think that's always
been the case? I've always loved a jacket.
I've got a lovely Ifsalon jacket from the 80s that's got such big
padded shoulders and it's short. I'd love to wear it, but it's
not me anymore because. Because it just doesn't look
right on me anymore. Yeah.
But you you'll hold on to that. Oh yeah, hoping that Maggie were
like. It but one day she sent some
realise that it's a less smoking.
And I've got great Azidine a liar.
I have such great Azidine a liar.
But has it? Has it lasted?
Because I often think some of that a liar with all the early
day elastin in it, or some of my 80s a liar is.
Certainly just that little mini skirt with the knickers in.
I tried to get Maggie to wear that the other day.
Amazing in that she won't wear it.
But I've got a beautiful green jacket, gabardine jacket with
this big Cape that goes over it and so the sleeve, it's just
divine. But I had a skirt, a pencil
skirt with it, and I cannot find that skirt.
So since moving to the country, how was your style changed?
Do you have a country Joe and then a city Joe?
Yes, if I'm in the country, well, when I'm at home, it's all
about comfort. And what are you getting up in
in the morning? Sweatpants, sweatshirt, or a
nice cashmere jumper and my little boots that I my daughter
bought me last year and I just love.
And they are. Don't know where they are but
they're little short country. Boots a bit.
So are they? Are they like a Welly or are
they? Short a little, but they're so
comfortable. They're my favorite.
They need to. Wear lined.
No, no, just leather. Do you ever feel uncomfortable
coming back into London from your Country Life?
Country Wardrobe. Coming into London where I have
to stop and think, I need to make sure I look more London
because in, in, in the country you don't have to.
Worry. And So what would that involve?
Hair, makeup, clothes. What?
What in particular tips you into London mode?
Standing in the wardrobe looking at me now what is what is it
that I I know what I want to buy At the moment.
I want to buy some plain black cowboy boots.
I've got this thing, I need to find them and and I want a black
baggy V-neck cashmere jumper. What is it that you reach for
when you're coming into London? Is it hair or is it makeup?
Is it always hair and makeup always.
And do you? Do your own hair.
Yes, yeah. And I love putting on makeup.
I mean, I get up in the morning even when I'm at home and put a
bit of black on. It's just part of a ritual.
Yeah, and Leah comes over who never wears any makeup.
She says. Mum, I can't believe you've got
makeup on. Can't help it, Leah, but I
suppose it will. I will reach for some heels,
something black and a jacket, something that's so
uncomfortable. I mean, who fundamentally, who
do you dress for? Do you, would you say myself?
Yeah. What is Date Night Joe wearing?
Yes, I think something that's off the shoulder, definitely.
And by any designer in particular.
No, I will. I will go through Netta Porter
and have a look. I love Netta Porter delivered to
my door in the country like that, yes, But I I like I do
think off the shoulder is a a good look as you get older,
yeah. Because who was the, I think it
was Donna Karan that said your shoulders will look good
forever. Yeah, thank God for that.
Thank God something on my body will.
Is the designer or brand important to you or do you just
shop Silhouette? I just shop Silhouette I but I
do like to have somebody unfamiliar with.
Do you? I was going to say, if you could
only dress in one brand, which brand would that be?
In America, they have such a wonderful brand.
They do really, the twins. Olsen Twins.
Aren't they? Oh, the row.
Yes, yes, love their stuff. And you buy that from that?
Yes, yeah, that and in and also mix with a bit of something,
something that's modern and mix with a bit of vintage.
And do you are you still buying vintage?
Yes. And where are you?
Maraid, always. Maraid.
Always Maraid. She's my, she's my vintage girl.
And so you'll never go and do Portobello.
Well, I suppose now you're in the country.
Well, I. I don't.
I don't have to because I was saying Maraid I'm looking for a
dress for my son's wedding, she said.
Leave it to me, darling. And what was the dress?
It was a Aussie cut beautiful dress.
It's so lovely. I want to wear it again.
But you know, it's one of those dresses where I want to wear it
again. But I wore it for my son's
wedding. Wear it again that.
That's to be celebrated now. It really is.
Yeah, it's such a fab dress. Can you describe it to me?
It has a little yoke here, black, and then it has sleeves
that come out like that and it's long.
Oh, it comes from here. Oh, very Aussie.
Very. Aussie, Was he a friend back in
the day? I I met him a couple of times,
but he I didn't hang out with him.
I did hang out with Azadeena Lya though.
Oh my God. Paris, wasn't he just, he was
just lovely, really nice guy. I remember going to a dinner
once that he was at. He was just fantastic.
Inspirational. Yeah, yeah.
Because we used to record, the boys used to record in Paris.
And that's where I discovered Azadeena Lya and I used to go
and I was loved going to see him.
And so would would he dress. You no, I'd just buy.
I mean, I was like a what was it a kid in a sweet shop when I
went into his showroom. It was fabulous.
And I remember Bill Wyman saying to me here, Joe, here's some
money. Go and get Mandy an outfit from
Azadeen. A liar.
Oh yes, I'd love to. I love that If you're getting
dressed for something important and you're not 100% certain
about something, who would you ask the opinion?
I think Miread. Really.
Yeah. And does Miread come to your
house with armfuls of clothes? No, she makes me come to.
Hers. And where is that?
She well what she does, she does a pop up shop and she did one
last in the other house, yes. So I'd go and see her there but
usually I just call her up and she pulls some things out and
then we will meet for lunch. We met for lunch at Nexus.
Last time I go through the bag did.
You say you've had a worst fashion moment.
Do you look back on any of those looks and think what was I
thinking? Gosh, when I was first single I
went and did something and I wore a black top, but it was
very thin and under the flash you can see my boobs.
I thought, Oh my God, that didn't look like that at home.
No bra, no bra. Oh God, let's talk about travel.
Do you pay particular attention to your airport look?
No, just. Comfy, just comfy.
And so anything in particular that you reach for again and
again when you're travelling? I like if I'm travelling a long
way I like to take a nice comfortable jumper but I'll wear
leggings or sweatpants or something like that.
Or it depends where I'm going actually.
So I I would, if I'm going somewhere hot, I would take
something to change my top. So wear a little T-shirt.
And if you're going for a Beachy type holiday, what do you what
do you use for your cover ups? Kaftans more and more.
I love a kaftan. I didn't used to love kaftans.
I used to have sarongs. It was always sarongs but now
it's kaftans. Where?
Are you getting your kaftans? I just bought a lovely vintage
one, Not from the Raid, actually.
Oh God, I can't remember who made it, but it's white and it's
from the 80s and it's just very simple.
Yeah, it's very nice. Good Packer, Bad Packer.
I'm a good Packer. I've done it, did it for years
and years. I was going to say, it sounds
like you've done a lot of it. Yeah.
Chosen luggage. My big wheelie suitcase.
Which is particular brand. It's a good one, I can't
remember what it is called and it I've had it years.
Globetrotter. And I've also got the suitcases
that I've got the, I think they're called globetrotters,
that they look like old fashioned suitcases.
I've had them for years. Yeah, I used to take twelve of
those on tour. They were brilliant actually.
I remember my father being slightly obsessed with them.
I tell you what happened to me when I went on a pilgrimage with
SAD Guru in 2010. I we went to Nepal where we I
met SAG Guru and we were going into Tibet and going to Mount
Kailash, which is a very holy mountain.
And I was very excited. It was going to be great.
And there was like 50 people. My friend Emily was coming with
me. And the day we left, I'm
standing in the lobby at the hotel and Sad Guru comes and he
says, what is this suitcase, Joe?
I said it's my stuff, Sad Guru, he said, and we were going away
for a month and he said no, you're not taking that.
I said, don't be silly, what am I going to do?
He said, everything that you're going to take is going to be on
your back. I said stop it.
You, you hadn't read the particulars.
Stop it, he said. Go and sort your stuff out.
So I had I put, I put a couple of changes of knickers, another
bra, another T-shirt, another jumper, a couple of pairs of wet
pants and raincoat and and a pair of pyjamas and that was it.
And do you know I didn't miss anything.
I. Was going to say, did that feel
quite liberty? It was fantastic.
I loved it and I always try and think like that.
I mean, I've got a house in Spain, I've got stuff there and
then I stand at home here in England.
I think, oh, I take this and oh, you've got stuff there, what are
you doing? The best thing is to walk
through the airport with just a tiny little bag.
So freeing, isn't it great? Do you have a High Street
favorite brand? Love Zara.
But I like to buy things at last.
So you're very you don't go in there for just a dopamine hit of
fashion. There's a great Zara in Spain
that I will go and have a. Look round.
And is that different, do you think to the Zara here?
Yeah, I think so. They're slightly different.
I bought a great pair of baggy brown jeans the other day.
Really so nice and money. No object brand.
If I love something, I don't mind paying what it is, but if I
fall in love with something, that's it, you know?
Slightly reluctant to ask you this question, but what, if
anything, do you feel you've got an excessive amount of in your
wardrobe? Black clothes.
Just black. I can never find anything
because it's all. Black and where are you at on
designer bags? I've not been mad about bags
lately. I've got my Hermes bags when I'm
going somewhere cool, I'll take that.
I've got a beautiful 1950s Hermes bag.
That you obviously bought vintage.
Yeah, bought it an auction. Wow.
Yeah. So I'll use that on special
occasions. But no, I'm not.
I've had a few years where I haven't been bag obsessed.
Because you don't like the message that the bag sends.
No, it's just that I haven't seen one I've fallen in love
with. So what?
What are your favorite ones to use at the moment?
My leather bag over there I bought myself.
And that is by. Nobody in particular, but it's
all sustainable and you know, it's all made handmade and all
that sort of stuff. I don't know who's it by.
I bought it in Northamptonshire and a really lovely little
boutique there. Well, Northamptonshire used to
be the home of tanning in Britain.
Place where they made all the shoes.
Absolutely you're guilty secret the most expensive item of
clothing you've ever bought. I'm not asking for the price tag
I. Suppose it has to be a coat that
I bought at and it's it's mink it's but I've had it years and
years and years. Do you still wear it?
Yes, I've had it years. And are you?
Are you conscious that people will?
It's vintage now. Yeah, absolutely.
And and it's sustainable in many in many senses.
I have a red fox as well. Folk hope I've got a couple of
Yeah, I don't mind if people have have got me.
It's so old. What do I'm what are you going
to do, throw it away? I'd rather wear it.
Yeah. I mean, talking about
sustainable fashion, what's your approach to sustainability?
Well, I think anything is sustainable if it lasts a long
time. Yep.
Absolutely. Let's spin on some quick fires.
What fashion advice would you give your 20 year old self?
To wear less. My body was great back then.
Yes, and I should have been showing it off more.
Which fashion trend or era would you most like to see make a
comeback? 70s.
Your last impulse buy? I suppose it was that black off
the shoulder dress that I haven't worn yet.
Views on tattoos few. Subtle ones I'm not crazy on.
Lots of tattoos. Beauty.
Treatment you couldn't give up. Gosh, I'll, I'll think of it in
a minute. OK, we.
Can come back to that high end or High Street.
High end. Bling or bear?
Oh, I love a bit of bling. Minimalism or maximalism?
Maximalism couture or charity shop?
Oh, I like a bit couture as well.
Crocs cute or puke. Crocs work Crocs you know Crocs.
OK, so that that would be puke. Yeah, that would be puke.
Sneakers or stilettos? Well, it has to be sneakers now.
I'm not good on my stilettos. Anymore boyfriends or wide legs?
I'm very much into the wide legs at the moment.
Body con or boho? Body Con.
Sports Lux or Rock chick? Rock Chick.
Red carpet or relax? Oh, I do like going on the red
carpet. Trend or style?
Style hollow or monochrome. Monochrome.
Experimental or uniform? I think experimental is quite
good. It's individual.
Cashmere or cotton? Cashmere.
Order or editor? I'm I'm right in the middle, I
edit and I hoard charity. Shop or resale?
Resale. Beanie or Berry?
Beanie, shapewear or sexy lingerie?
Oh, it has to be sexy lingerie. Tights, stockings or hold.
UPS. Well, I like to wear tights, so
I suppose I'll say tights, but it depends on what I'm doing.
Bikini or one? Piece.
One piece these days. And traditional last question,
at the end of the day, what do you or don't you wear in bed?
Oh, I. Wear shorts and a little
T-shirt. Brilliant, brilliant.
But what is that beauty treatment I do?
Philo Profilo. Oh God, that's hellish.
I don't mind, I love it. Well, I like the results.
You're glowing, You really are. Philo, that's it.
Gosh, I can't believe my brain went dead like that.
And it's not painful. It's not not painful.
It's it's, you know. Downtime.
Think it's not bad? 24 hours, yeah.
Bee stings. Yeah, Joe, thank you so much.
That was wonderful having a romp through your wardrobe.
Really fabulous.