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Oh. 38 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:58,520 Yes. God, that was that. 39 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:00,400 Was great, wasn't it? Fantastic. 40 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,160 Just mentioned that today actually to my son. 41 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:08,039 It was fantastic because it was all in your house. 42 00:02:08,759 --> 00:02:12,480 It was just brilliant, yeah. It was at that time when 43 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:17,600 everybody was doing pop up nightclubs, pop up restaurants, 44 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:22,320 pop up galleries, and I heard about, I went to a nightclub 45 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:26,360 actually, and I was telling my son-in-law, I said I went to 46 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:28,960 this fantastic nightclub, it's going to be closed in six 47 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,240 months. He said it's called a pop up. 48 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,840 I said that's fantastic, how amazing. 49 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,920 And I sat there and I thought, gosh, I've got this big house, 50 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:41,520 why don't I do a pop up restaurant? 51 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:46,320 And he said, good idea, Joe. And it was a fantastic success. 52 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:47,440 Wasn't. It it was great. 53 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:52,000 I should do another one. Northamptonshire Do you think 54 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,160 that I. Don't know so many people come 55 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:58,800 out to Northamptonshire. Now you have just released this 56 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:05,280 novel, The Resurrection of Flo, which has had me chuckling, I 57 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:09,680 have to admit, and a fantastic and I just want to know what 58 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:14,840 inspired you to write this? I never wanted to write a book 59 00:03:14,920 --> 00:03:21,280 at all, but I went on a date with a man and he sat there 60 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:23,560 telling me how he split up with his wife. 61 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,400 That's romantic and. I walked out of there and I 62 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:31,320 thought what a brilliant story. I'd love to put that in a book. 63 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:33,960 And that was it. I couldn't stop thinking about 64 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:35,600 it. And then I was thinking about 65 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:39,080 his ex-wife. I was worried about somebody I 66 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:43,680 didn't know and and it's Flo just sort of appeared. 67 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:47,480 And how did you name her Flo? I've always loved the name 68 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:49,480 Florence. I think if I'd had another 69 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:52,040 little girl, I'd have called her Florence. 70 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:58,480 Leah and Florence, yeah, yeah. So Flo was going to be her name. 71 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:01,400 And any autobiographical references in this? 72 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:07,840 You'll never know. Maybe, maybe just little. 73 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:10,360 There's lots of influences. Influences. 74 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:12,160 I like that. Yeah, I like that. 75 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:13,800 Do you think you've got another book in you? 76 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:16,040 Yes. What would it be? 77 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:19,560 It it's going to, it's some, it's what happens to Flo next. 78 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:22,079 I keep thinking about what's going to happen to her. 79 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,120 You've got really. Crazy, I was going to say, 80 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,720 you've got really attached to the character, haven't you? 81 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:31,200 And when I finished that book, I sat there and I thought, what am 82 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:33,840 I going to do now? What am I going to do now? 83 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,440 Oh, I'll draw her. So I drew her. 84 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:38,960 Oh fabulous. Fabulous. 85 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:43,960 What does she wear? She she's quite slim or she had 86 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,880 to she has to get back in the gym in there. 87 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:51,480 But then she meets a great stylist who starts dressing her 88 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,520 in vintage clothes. Oh, love that, which is 89 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:58,040 something that I love. So maybe that's a little bit as 90 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:00,160 well of me. Of course, it has to be a bit of 91 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,920 me. So she wears vintage Alia. 92 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:07,600 Oh, lucky she wears just things like that. 93 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:11,560 Robbie keeps bringing her outfits and he says I'm going to 94 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:14,040 make you look beautiful, darling, because she's been 95 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:16,120 tucked away for 30 years as a wife. 96 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,520 What other projects are you excited about right now? 97 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:27,040 I am about to launch my supplements which are called 98 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:32,880 Longevity Wellness and they are three mushrooms and three roots. 99 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:40,440 So I've got lion's mane, Turkey tail, Cordyceps, Ashwanger. 100 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:44,680 Oh gosh, the brains gone. Hi Chu Wu, which is this 101 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:49,840 wonderful route from China, which all the old folks take for 102 00:05:49,840 --> 00:05:53,560 longevity. And it's great for the hair, 103 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:59,080 great for the nails and maca. Maca balances your hormones. 104 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:01,880 So they they're about to come out soon. 105 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:04,360 We're just waiting on packaging. Fabulous. 106 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:07,000 And you've clearly been taking all of this for. 107 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:12,040 Oh yeah, for years. And it's been it was your idea 108 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:14,920 to put all six of those ingredients together. 109 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:20,320 No, I wanted to do 3 routes and I went to my son Jamie and he 110 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:24,000 said why don't you? Because he he's into mushrooms, 111 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:27,760 medicinal mushrooms. And I went to Jamie. 112 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:31,560 I said come on, I want to do a powder for the coffee, which is 113 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,680 how I take them all. And he said let's do a 114 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:41,160 supplement, see how it goes and let me put in my lion's mane and 115 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:44,040 Turkey tail. And then we added coticeps. 116 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:47,520 That's interesting there's so much chat about lion's mane for 117 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:49,040 longevity. I grow. 118 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:50,240 It at home. Do you? 119 00:06:50,280 --> 00:06:52,160 Yeah, it's. Easy. 120 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:55,280 Do you cook it? Yes, in fact, I've got lion's 121 00:06:55,280 --> 00:06:57,880 mane in the fridge to cook tonight. 122 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:02,040 Well, you are a picture of glowing health, really. 123 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:06,760 But you are hot off the catwalk again. 124 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,880 Just tell me about that. I had a couple of great friends 125 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:15,720 called Vin and Omi who are sustainable fashion designers 126 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:21,960 and they take things like bottles from the Thames and they 127 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:25,680 make it into a thread and then they make it into jackets. 128 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:30,120 Or they've been working with Prince Charles and using nettles 129 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:33,360 or something from his garden to turn into a thread. 130 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:37,920 They've been used this show that Pruelith was in a parachute 131 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:39,920 dress. Do you know what I saw pictures 132 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,600 of the two of you. Yeah, she looked great, didn't 133 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:46,000 she? Yeah, I wore Latex. 134 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:49,400 How was it putting that on by? The way it's cold. 135 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:52,400 Oh do you have to put baby powder on or? 136 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:56,040 Well, it has. It had baby powder inside or on 137 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:58,440 and outside. And then they came with clothes 138 00:07:58,680 --> 00:07:59,880 and polished you. Yeah. 139 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:03,520 Polish me down, they did. That must have been interesting. 140 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:05,560 Yeah, that was. Yeah, it was. 141 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:07,600 Did they get the pledge out? It was. 142 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:10,080 They I don't know what they were polishing me with. 143 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:13,720 Sounds weird but I love doing their shows. 144 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:17,080 I've, I think I've done about 7, yeah. 145 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:22,720 Because way back age 16, you became a model. 146 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:29,120 Yeah, I I left home, I went. First of all, my mum made me do 147 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:35,120 a Lucy Clayton Remember Lucy Clayton modelling course and. 148 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:38,320 I had to. Walk with book on my head. 149 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:42,360 And did you do all those fancy turns the the full turn, the 150 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:44,800 turn and I had to do? That, but I can't remember those 151 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:49,440 now and then. And so that was when I was 14, 152 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:53,120 and then I was 16. All I could think of was being 153 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,880 like Twiggy. She was my hero. 154 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:57,560 She still is. Yeah. 155 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,840 So I saw her the other day actually, coming out of Scots, I 156 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:02,120 mean. Oh, hi Twiggy. 157 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:07,600 And and so did you. You left Essex because you grew 158 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:09,520 up in Essex. Yeah, left Essex. 159 00:09:09,560 --> 00:09:12,000 I was at a convent in Essex. Convent. 160 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:16,280 Yeah, Convent Essex girl. How did that rub off on you? 161 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:21,360 Did any sort of? Hated it, I only wanted to leave 162 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:23,000 school. Were you in a school uniform? 163 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:26,480 Yes, of course you were. I only wanted to leave school, 164 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:28,720 that was all. I wanted to go and be a model, 165 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:35,120 so I joined Gavin Robinson. Was he Gavin's at that time or 166 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:37,320 was it Gavin Robinson? It was Gavin Robinson. 167 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:43,480 Gavin Yeah, Yeah. And then went from there to 168 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:47,440 Lorraine at No to Bobtons and then Lorraine Ashton. 169 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:52,280 In the meantime, I had met my first husband when I was 17. 170 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:53,920 Oh. My God, how old was he? 171 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:56,680 29. Right. 172 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:03,520 OK, my parents were not happy, but he was in the rag trade and 173 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:07,160 he had a company called She Type him and Stephen Morris. 174 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:12,360 Yeah. And so I married him at 18 in 175 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:15,200 Las Vegas. And were you in a a white 176 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:18,960 wedding dress? No, I had a cream dress on that 177 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:21,640 Peter had got. Yeah. 178 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:24,600 Did you like it? Yeah, it's all right. 179 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:29,360 I've only got one picture of that day in Vegas. 180 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:36,080 Then I realised, came pregnant, realised I'd made a mistake, 181 00:10:36,680 --> 00:10:39,400 went running home to mum. Pregnant. 182 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:43,800 Yes, but then I had to see, I saw out the pregnant thing and I 183 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:50,840 stayed with Peter, but I wasn't happy and and then at 19 I went 184 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:54,920 back to, I went to Bobtons and started working again. 185 00:10:55,800 --> 00:11:00,040 And the rest then you. Worked for a couple of years. 186 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:02,600 Yeah. And were you doing editorial? 187 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:04,840 Were you doing the magazines? Or were you doing? 188 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:08,320 I was doing catalogues or. I did catalogues, I did 189 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:13,200 commercials, and what else is it? 190 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:19,120 19 Honey Jackie Magazine, all those. 191 00:11:19,560 --> 00:11:21,960 Do you still have those? Some of them, yeah. 192 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:25,400 And you look back at them with Leah and just have a giggle and. 193 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:28,640 Well, she doesn't want need to, she doesn't want to sort of. 194 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,560 She doesn't sit there and say, Mum, can I see your role 195 00:11:31,560 --> 00:11:33,280 modelling? Pictures, yeah, but you must 196 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:35,880 have at some point. Look at your mother. 197 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:37,960 Look at your mother. Yeah, all right, Mum, You know, 198 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:41,880 it's one of those. And then I met Ronnie. 199 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:47,040 And how did you meet him? I met Ronnie at a party in 200 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:53,360 Sheffield Terrace in Kensington that I didn't want to go to 201 00:11:53,680 --> 00:11:54,920 because I thought oh I'm going to know. 202 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:59,040 Everybody dragged my ex-boyfriend Richard along with 203 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:04,800 me, walked in into the party and he started following me 204 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:07,280 everywhere. It was very funny. 205 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:11,680 He was completely mad. And you were immediately aware 206 00:12:11,680 --> 00:12:15,400 of who he was? I I knew I'd seen him somewhere 207 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:19,040 before, but I was never a Rolling Stones fan ever. 208 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:24,240 And he said to me, do you know who I am? 209 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:30,880 And he showed me the album cover of Black and Blue and he said So 210 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:34,120 what do you do? And I said I thought he was a 211 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:39,040 bit big headed so I told him I worked in Woolworths on the 212 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:44,600 Broken Biscuit counter, the cheapest counter that there was 213 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,840 in Woolworths. He said are you, why are you 214 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,520 not? Manager SI said no, no, I work 215 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:54,240 on the broken Biscuit counter. I have a son to support. 216 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:56,440 So yeah, I thought it was, I thought it was being really 217 00:12:56,440 --> 00:13:00,640 funny. And then he next day he went to 218 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:02,680 try and find me at Woolworths. At the Broken Biscuit. 219 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:05,040 Name branch in Oxford Street, I said. 220 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:09,080 So how did he then track you down? 221 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:12,760 Went back to where the party was, which was friends of mine, 222 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:20,880 David and Lorraine and I was staying there and he came back 223 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:24,520 and I came back from work and and he was waiting there, he 224 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:25,560 said. You don't. 225 00:13:25,560 --> 00:13:26,840 Woolworths. Yeah, he said. 226 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:30,520 You don't work in Woolworths. I spent the whole afternoon 227 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:37,520 outside the strike one for Jerk. Anyway, that was it really. 228 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:41,640 Was it then? Did you fancy him immediately? 229 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:43,960 Yeah, I thought he was the funniest guy I'd ever met. 230 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:46,600 Lovely. What were you wearing? 231 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:48,280 I know exactly. Night. 232 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:49,840 I know exactly what I was wearing. 233 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:54,600 I was wearing my granny's vintage Navy blue patterned 234 00:13:54,600 --> 00:14:00,200 dress and a Harris tweed jacket and knee length Bieber boots. 235 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:05,080 I know exactly what I was wearing because I love vintage 236 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:08,560 even then. But I think it was a lot to do 237 00:14:08,560 --> 00:14:11,360 with my mum because my mum was a doll maker. 238 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:15,840 You know the scary dolls? She used to make those and she 239 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:21,920 used to buy lots of vintage nighties and clothes to cut up 240 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:23,960 to make to Dole. To use the fabric. 241 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:27,360 And I used to go and have a look and oh, that, that's nice. 242 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:31,000 I'm going to take that and I'll dye it pink and put a, you know, 243 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:35,560 like those those bloomers I dyed pink and would wear them with a 244 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:38,640 belt or and did you? Ever go vintage shopping with 245 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:42,320 her or did you just shop in her? Scrap bag. 246 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:45,520 I just shopped in that scrap bag, and the blue dress I was 247 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:51,360 wearing was my granny's. Yeah, so I've always had this 248 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:54,640 thing about vintage clothes. I've always had it. 249 00:14:55,040 --> 00:15:00,400 Wow, and then you skipped on to being a rock'n'roll girlfriend 250 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:03,280 bride. Yeah, well, we didn't get 251 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:12,720 married till I was 27, I think. That old SO did do you obviously 252 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:16,360 sort of went you lived the rock'n'roll lifestyle. 253 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:21,120 Went on tour. And how was that in terms of 254 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:24,320 your wardrobe? Gosh, because were you living 255 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:28,200 out of a suitcase or did you have a wardrobe on the tour 256 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:30,920 plane or? No, we used to, I used to pack 257 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:37,440 and we used to have 1212 suitcases and I, and especially 258 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:41,600 when we went on tour and we were gone a year, I'd have a suitcase 259 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:45,800 that had jumpers in, I'd have another one that had shoes and 260 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:50,680 boots in, another one that would have all these shirts. 261 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:54,400 But so when you arrived somewhere, you needed all 12 262 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:56,600 suitcases. They would all be put in the 263 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:59,600 room. You must have done some awesome 264 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:05,520 shopping on the tours. Yes, I, I remember when we went 265 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:11,120 to Japan, it was different then because all the shops that are 266 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:16,760 out now weren't then. Then like, you know, you could 267 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:22,520 get H&M anywhere in the world, but I remember going to Japan 268 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:25,560 and there were clothes in Japan that I couldn't get in. 269 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,280 In England. I remember going to Berlin. 270 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:32,120 I love Berlin. And I found these fantastic 271 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:35,400 boots and I bought a pair of red and a pair of yellow, but they 272 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:37,880 were handmade and nobody else had them. 273 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:41,640 Describe them to me. They were, I suppose they were 274 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:46,560 very 80s and they sort of puffed out, but they had a point at the 275 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:51,000 front of the boot like that. And you sort of like piratey 276 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:55,160 boots but in red. I had one pen red and one pen 277 00:16:55,160 --> 00:17:01,960 yellow and it had little emblems and like in red and all around 278 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:03,560 it, it was, they were just beautiful. 279 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:05,280 Don't know what happened to them. 280 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,240 And in Japan, what were you buying? 281 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:12,160 I remember buying a really cool check jacket. 282 00:17:12,319 --> 00:17:13,960 It's funny how you remember things. 283 00:17:14,319 --> 00:17:18,640 And was that that was a Japanese designer or? 284 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:23,640 Yeah, I've got. I had my 40th birthday in Japan 285 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:26,319 and I went out and bought that jacket. 286 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:29,640 And I love that jacket. Don't know where it is now. 287 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:34,560 And kimonos. I've got beautiful kimonos, yes. 288 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:39,240 From Japan that you bought. I and I've got the Japanese 289 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:43,480 shoes as well with the two things like that and the. 290 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:48,240 The the geisha shoes, are they not impossible to walk in I. 291 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:50,760 I don't walk in them, Yeah. They're decorative. 292 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:53,080 I've got them, I had to have some. 293 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:57,520 And during that time, do you felt, did you feel that your 294 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:01,160 style, did it become more rock'n'roll because of the life 295 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:07,360 you were living? Yes, because I remember Ronnie 296 00:18:07,360 --> 00:18:13,600 stealing my Ferrucci velvet jeans to wear on a video. 297 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:16,480 My pink Ferrucci jeans, I never saw them again. 298 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:21,120 Well, he just wore them. But it became my start because I 299 00:18:21,120 --> 00:18:25,920 was working on tour. I had to wear black backstage, 300 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:29,360 and I got very into just buying black instead of that. 301 00:18:29,360 --> 00:18:31,720 I wear such a lot of black these days. 302 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:39,040 But do you think having a lot of blonde hair impacted on the fact 303 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:43,360 that you love to wear black? Yes, and the fact that I wasn't 304 00:18:43,360 --> 00:18:45,120 allowed to wear colour on stage. What? 305 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:48,320 Were you doing on stage? His wardrobe. 306 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,680 Oh, right. Change his jacket. 307 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:55,800 I I designed his jackets. Fabulous. 308 00:18:55,840 --> 00:19:01,120 So where did you get those made? So I found in a antique shop a 309 00:19:01,120 --> 00:19:04,040 little military jacket and it was thick. 310 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:08,120 And so I went to the, I think it was William Gilchrist, the 311 00:19:08,120 --> 00:19:12,560 stylist, and I said, can I, can you have these copied for me? 312 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:17,080 And I did it also with a long jacket which was grey with gold 313 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:19,680 beading. So they copied them. 314 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:24,480 I I love doing that. And did he just trust you and 315 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,440 say get on with it? Yes, how cool. 316 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:31,200 And so he'd wear these amazing jackets with his jeans or with 317 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:34,840 your Ferrucci. No, he'd gone past the Ferrucci 318 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,120 by then. He I always put him in black 319 00:19:37,120 --> 00:19:40,800 jeans and then a T-shirt, some T-shirt. 320 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:44,680 Yeah. And so you were in backstage. 321 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,920 Black jeans, T-shirts. Yeah, running around, oh, it's 322 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,520 raining quick, get the rain Mac out and stuff like that. 323 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:54,080 But I used to help the wardrobe, wardrobe girls, they were my 324 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:58,200 friends. And she would asked me to pick 325 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:01,760 up Mick's coat if I saw it then, you know, just things like that. 326 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:03,880 Yeah, I used to love doing that, but you weren't. 327 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:08,920 Involved in mix or? No, no, definitely not. 328 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:11,480 Or Keith's just Ronnie. Yeah. 329 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:14,160 And there was no, there weren't. There were no sort of 330 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,400 guidelines. I suppose they could just be 331 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:21,160 rock'n'roll artists. Yeah, well they there was always 332 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:25,840 colour guidelines were there because they would like a bright 333 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:30,040 jacket I suppose for the lights and everything. 334 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:34,200 And also I had to always go and check with what Mick was wearing 335 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:38,200 so it didn't clash. So did you have moments of 336 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:39,960 Ronnie? You can't wear that tonight, 337 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,680 Yeah. Mick says you can't wear that 338 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:49,000 tonight. What was the experience like 339 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:56,640 going from private individual to very, very public girlfriend of 340 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:01,440 a Rolling Stone? It wasn't like it is now. 341 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:06,000 We were quite, it was quite different because there were no 342 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:10,480 mobile phones and there and you could walk out in the streets 343 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,520 and nobody, occasionally somebody come and say can have 344 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:19,680 your autograph running, but but we could walk around and nobody 345 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,560 was bothering anybody. So much freer. 346 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,280 Yeah, we were. I read somewhere that when you 347 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:28,960 were living in New York, you designed for the fashion label. 348 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:32,080 No scruples. Lorraine had no scruples here in 349 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:37,920 England, OK? And she said if you want to 350 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:42,080 design something, I'll. If I like it, I'll get it 351 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:43,440 made-up. Yeah. 352 00:21:44,120 --> 00:21:46,880 And if I really like it, we'll do a few of them. 353 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,560 So I would go to her and I'd say I've got this great idea for 354 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:53,520 this jacket. I've still got some stuff, some 355 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:58,240 suitcase somewhere. And then I designed suede 356 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:05,400 trousers for runny and T-shirts, suede little T-shirts, 357 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,840 sleeveless T-shirts for stage, stuff like that. 358 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,960 What fun? Yeah, you must have had a blast. 359 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:15,360 Did you do much vintage shopping for inspiration in those days? 360 00:22:15,360 --> 00:22:22,000 Yes, because I think the vintage fashion is wonderful. 361 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,320 There's so many beautiful clothes out there. 362 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:30,560 Actually, Lorraine moved to New York and opened a store called 363 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:34,160 Geminola, which she takes vintage clothes. 364 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:36,280 You know, we really had that in common. 365 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:40,120 And she takes vintage clothes and she like nighties and slips 366 00:22:40,120 --> 00:22:46,040 and she dyes them and gorgeous. So lots of, in fact, Leah's 367 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:49,160 wedding dress. Oh no, that wasn't for Lorraine. 368 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,880 Leah's wedding dress came from my friend Maraid. 369 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,320 Do you know Maraid, a vintage dress dealer? 370 00:22:55,440 --> 00:23:01,680 Yes, she found Leah a most beautiful vintage wedding dress. 371 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:06,000 Talking wedding dresses What did you get married to Ronnie and. 372 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:10,600 I designed my own wedding dress. And where was it made? 373 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:12,160 In London. In London. 374 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:16,920 Lorraine's friend, the woman that was sewing for no scruples. 375 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,320 So I drew it out. I wanted to lace sleeves. 376 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:24,040 I wanted it lace here. Had to be like sat in because. 377 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,360 This was 1985. Yeah, Yeah. 378 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:30,720 Sat in straight down personally and then it coming out at the 379 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:34,240 bottom. And did you absolutely love it? 380 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:41,000 Yeah, £300 it cost. I mean, I'm guessing that your 381 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,080 wardrobe must be like a diary of your life. 382 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:50,000 Is actually is it enormous? I have lots of vintage clothes 383 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:54,400 that lots of them don't fit me anymore, but I can't bear to 384 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,680 part with them, so I put them all in bags and zip them up. 385 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,760 I have lots of Bieber. Aussie Clark. 386 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:05,680 Oh my God. This is a 1980s Celeron. 387 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:12,560 Yeah, I've got lots of stuff. And do you ever have a proper 388 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,800 blitz through? Because you must have like an 389 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,040 archive. The the vintage I won't get rid 390 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,040 of but I do have a blitz and need one now. 391 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,120 Actually of my clothes. I need to sort my clothes out. 392 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,520 And how do you go about that process? 393 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:29,760 It always fascinates me. Yeah, I hate it. 394 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:34,000 I just go through every hanger. Am I going to wear this? 395 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,400 I haven't worn it for three years. 396 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,120 Out Does it fit? Do I like it? 397 00:24:39,120 --> 00:24:41,240 Yeah, what do I look like in there? 398 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:45,960 And how, how, I mean, I'm fascinated by this, but because 399 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:50,840 how long do you give yourself each time that you go and do a 400 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,920 sort? Because I I reckon we have a 401 00:24:53,920 --> 00:25:01,320 sort of sort of time limit of concentration, appetite, all the 402 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,240 rest. Of it, yeah, I would spend a 403 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,400 day, I think, OK, all day. I'm going to go through 404 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,360 everything because then I'll pull stuff off the shelves as 405 00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:10,640 well. Wow. 406 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,920 And then what do you do with everything? 407 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:22,800 The good stuff I give to my granddaughter who puts it on. 408 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:24,640 What's that one? Vinted. 409 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,080 Vinted. Wonderful. 410 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,240 No, no, no. Vestier. 411 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,800 Vestier, yes, but I also have an account on Vinted. 412 00:25:33,360 --> 00:25:42,280 When do you feel you found? Your style, gosh, I suppose I, I 413 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,600 don't think I've ever found my style. 414 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,680 I because I've we've got older. I've got older. 415 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:55,000 So my style in the 90s must have been all about it was all about 416 00:25:55,000 --> 00:26:02,480 Gucci and Dolce Gabbana. I loved that and but it's 417 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,600 changed. It's changed as my body's 418 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,600 changed and so. How would you describe it now? 419 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,400 How would you describe your style now? 420 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:13,960 Country. No, you're sitting here in a in 421 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,880 a tiger print De St. Laurent 80s jacket. 422 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:22,840 I have to. It just changes all the time. 423 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,400 I love to wear vintage. I'll always love to wear 424 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:31,800 vintage, but whereas I could wear it a little tiny dress and 425 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:37,320 a jacket, I can't now at my age. And so if I were to ask you to 426 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:41,720 describe your style DNA in three words, what 3 words do you think 427 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,800 those would? Be maybe eclectic. 428 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:45,840 Yeah. Comfortable. 429 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,400 Really important to me as I've got older to be really 430 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:53,760 comfortable and fun. Like that? 431 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:55,360 Yeah. I like that actually. 432 00:26:55,360 --> 00:26:58,920 I'd like to try and put a little bit of sexy in there sometimes. 433 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,240 Oh, I think when I think of you, I always think of sexy. 434 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:03,120 Oh. Cool. 435 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,720 No, your sexy makeup, sexy hair, your sexy clothes. 436 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,840 I mean, we're talking about age a little bit here. 437 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:16,560 Are there any particular areas of your body that you now dress 438 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,560 around? Or I hate my arms. 439 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:23,680 I can't say I hate my arms. I'm I'm not happy with my arms 440 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:28,680 and my legs aren't great like they used to be. 441 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:36,320 So styling hacks that you use at your age to still look the cool 442 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:40,640 Joe that you are. Yeah, and well, I suppose I'm 443 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,040 happy with anything that comes to here. 444 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:52,960 And I liked I think a jacket can cover all sins. 445 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,160 But it's transformative too, isn't it? 446 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,800 Yeah, I think very really important to put a jacket on for 447 00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,960 me, yeah. And do you think that's always 448 00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:02,560 been the case? I've always loved a jacket. 449 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:08,280 I've got a lovely Ifsalon jacket from the 80s that's got such big 450 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:12,000 padded shoulders and it's short. I'd love to wear it, but it's 451 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:16,120 not me anymore because. Because it just doesn't look 452 00:28:16,120 --> 00:28:17,640 right on me anymore. Yeah. 453 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:22,680 But you you'll hold on to that. Oh yeah, hoping that Maggie were 454 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,040 like. It but one day she sent some 455 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,920 realise that it's a less smoking. 456 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,000 And I've got great Azidine a liar. 457 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:32,960 I have such great Azidine a liar. 458 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:35,680 But has it? Has it lasted? 459 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,800 Because I often think some of that a liar with all the early 460 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:43,840 day elastin in it, or some of my 80s a liar is. 461 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,280 Certainly just that little mini skirt with the knickers in. 462 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,400 I tried to get Maggie to wear that the other day. 463 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,720 Amazing in that she won't wear it. 464 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:58,560 But I've got a beautiful green jacket, gabardine jacket with 465 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:03,200 this big Cape that goes over it and so the sleeve, it's just 466 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,480 divine. But I had a skirt, a pencil 467 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,840 skirt with it, and I cannot find that skirt. 468 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:15,200 So since moving to the country, how was your style changed? 469 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,240 Do you have a country Joe and then a city Joe? 470 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:23,560 Yes, if I'm in the country, well, when I'm at home, it's all 471 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,040 about comfort. And what are you getting up in 472 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:31,200 in the morning? Sweatpants, sweatshirt, or a 473 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:36,680 nice cashmere jumper and my little boots that I my daughter 474 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,680 bought me last year and I just love. 475 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:40,840 And they are. Don't know where they are but 476 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,280 they're little short country. Boots a bit. 477 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,800 So are they? Are they like a Welly or are 478 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,600 they? Short a little, but they're so 479 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,680 comfortable. They're my favorite. 480 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:52,720 They need to. Wear lined. 481 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:57,920 No, no, just leather. Do you ever feel uncomfortable 482 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:02,640 coming back into London from your Country Life? 483 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:07,520 Country Wardrobe. Coming into London where I have 484 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:12,560 to stop and think, I need to make sure I look more London 485 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,280 because in, in, in the country you don't have to. 486 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,760 Worry. And So what would that involve? 487 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,840 Hair, makeup, clothes. What? 488 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:26,320 What in particular tips you into London mode? 489 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:32,840 Standing in the wardrobe looking at me now what is what is it 490 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,680 that I I know what I want to buy At the moment. 491 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:39,720 I want to buy some plain black cowboy boots. 492 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:45,320 I've got this thing, I need to find them and and I want a black 493 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:50,720 baggy V-neck cashmere jumper. What is it that you reach for 494 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,200 when you're coming into London? Is it hair or is it makeup? 495 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,160 Is it always hair and makeup always. 496 00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:58,560 And do you? Do your own hair. 497 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,880 Yes, yeah. And I love putting on makeup. 498 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,920 I mean, I get up in the morning even when I'm at home and put a 499 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,800 bit of black on. It's just part of a ritual. 500 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,160 Yeah, and Leah comes over who never wears any makeup. 501 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,440 She says. Mum, I can't believe you've got 502 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,920 makeup on. Can't help it, Leah, but I 503 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,560 suppose it will. I will reach for some heels, 504 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,880 something black and a jacket, something that's so 505 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,800 uncomfortable. I mean, who fundamentally, who 506 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,080 do you dress for? Do you, would you say myself? 507 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,080 Yeah. What is Date Night Joe wearing? 508 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:42,480 Yes, I think something that's off the shoulder, definitely. 509 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,040 And by any designer in particular. 510 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:49,000 No, I will. I will go through Netta Porter 511 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,520 and have a look. I love Netta Porter delivered to 512 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:58,840 my door in the country like that, yes, But I I like I do 513 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:03,680 think off the shoulder is a a good look as you get older, 514 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,760 yeah. Because who was the, I think it 515 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,880 was Donna Karan that said your shoulders will look good 516 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,680 forever. Yeah, thank God for that. 517 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,440 Thank God something on my body will. 518 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,760 Is the designer or brand important to you or do you just 519 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:23,560 shop Silhouette? I just shop Silhouette I but I 520 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:28,280 do like to have somebody unfamiliar with. 521 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:30,680 Do you? I was going to say, if you could 522 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,920 only dress in one brand, which brand would that be? 523 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,280 In America, they have such a wonderful brand. 524 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:43,000 They do really, the twins. Olsen Twins. 525 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:44,320 Aren't they? Oh, the row. 526 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:48,680 Yes, yes, love their stuff. And you buy that from that? 527 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:54,960 Yes, yeah, that and in and also mix with a bit of something, 528 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,840 something that's modern and mix with a bit of vintage. 529 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,200 And do you are you still buying vintage? 530 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:02,800 Yes. And where are you? 531 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,440 Maraid, always. Maraid. 532 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:09,960 Always Maraid. She's my, she's my vintage girl. 533 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,800 And so you'll never go and do Portobello. 534 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:14,160 Well, I suppose now you're in the country. 535 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:15,000 Well, I. I don't. 536 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,800 I don't have to because I was saying Maraid I'm looking for a 537 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,880 dress for my son's wedding, she said. 538 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,400 Leave it to me, darling. And what was the dress? 539 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,400 It was a Aussie cut beautiful dress. 540 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,520 It's so lovely. I want to wear it again. 541 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,480 But you know, it's one of those dresses where I want to wear it 542 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,120 again. But I wore it for my son's 543 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,640 wedding. Wear it again that. 544 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,360 That's to be celebrated now. It really is. 545 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,920 Yeah, it's such a fab dress. Can you describe it to me? 546 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:51,120 It has a little yoke here, black, and then it has sleeves 547 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,600 that come out like that and it's long. 548 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,800 Oh, it comes from here. Oh, very Aussie. 549 00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:58,960 Very. Aussie, Was he a friend back in 550 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,520 the day? I I met him a couple of times, 551 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,400 but he I didn't hang out with him. 552 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,840 I did hang out with Azadeena Lya though. 553 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,040 Oh my God. Paris, wasn't he just, he was 554 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:16,280 just lovely, really nice guy. I remember going to a dinner 555 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,320 once that he was at. He was just fantastic. 556 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:21,239 Inspirational. Yeah, yeah. 557 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,760 Because we used to record, the boys used to record in Paris. 558 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:32,480 And that's where I discovered Azadeena Lya and I used to go 559 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,080 and I was loved going to see him. 560 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:39,880 And so would would he dress. You no, I'd just buy. 561 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:44,120 I mean, I was like a what was it a kid in a sweet shop when I 562 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,440 went into his showroom. It was fabulous. 563 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,520 And I remember Bill Wyman saying to me here, Joe, here's some 564 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,920 money. Go and get Mandy an outfit from 565 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:53,960 Azadeen. A liar. 566 00:34:54,120 --> 00:35:03,640 Oh yes, I'd love to. I love that If you're getting 567 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:07,400 dressed for something important and you're not 100% certain 568 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,600 about something, who would you ask the opinion? 569 00:35:11,240 --> 00:35:12,960 I think Miread. Really. 570 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,560 Yeah. And does Miread come to your 571 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,120 house with armfuls of clothes? No, she makes me come to. 572 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,120 Hers. And where is that? 573 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:27,680 She well what she does, she does a pop up shop and she did one 574 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:36,160 last in the other house, yes. So I'd go and see her there but 575 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,760 usually I just call her up and she pulls some things out and 576 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,680 then we will meet for lunch. We met for lunch at Nexus. 577 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:45,760 Last time I go through the bag did. 578 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,560 You say you've had a worst fashion moment. 579 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,520 Do you look back on any of those looks and think what was I 580 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:58,360 thinking? Gosh, when I was first single I 581 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:04,120 went and did something and I wore a black top, but it was 582 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:08,160 very thin and under the flash you can see my boobs. 583 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,960 I thought, Oh my God, that didn't look like that at home. 584 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:21,280 No bra, no bra. Oh God, let's talk about travel. 585 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,760 Do you pay particular attention to your airport look? 586 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,520 No, just. Comfy, just comfy. 587 00:36:29,720 --> 00:36:32,600 And so anything in particular that you reach for again and 588 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:36,200 again when you're travelling? I like if I'm travelling a long 589 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:40,800 way I like to take a nice comfortable jumper but I'll wear 590 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,480 leggings or sweatpants or something like that. 591 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,760 Or it depends where I'm going actually. 592 00:36:46,240 --> 00:36:50,000 So I I would, if I'm going somewhere hot, I would take 593 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,720 something to change my top. So wear a little T-shirt. 594 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:59,480 And if you're going for a Beachy type holiday, what do you what 595 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:05,720 do you use for your cover ups? Kaftans more and more. 596 00:37:05,720 --> 00:37:10,120 I love a kaftan. I didn't used to love kaftans. 597 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,240 I used to have sarongs. It was always sarongs but now 598 00:37:13,240 --> 00:37:14,440 it's kaftans. Where? 599 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,560 Are you getting your kaftans? I just bought a lovely vintage 600 00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,480 one, Not from the Raid, actually. 601 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:25,560 Oh God, I can't remember who made it, but it's white and it's 602 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:29,720 from the 80s and it's just very simple. 603 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:34,320 Yeah, it's very nice. Good Packer, Bad Packer. 604 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,200 I'm a good Packer. I've done it, did it for years 605 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:38,800 and years. I was going to say, it sounds 606 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,320 like you've done a lot of it. Yeah. 607 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:46,640 Chosen luggage. My big wheelie suitcase. 608 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,480 Which is particular brand. It's a good one, I can't 609 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:54,520 remember what it is called and it I've had it years. 610 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:58,520 Globetrotter. And I've also got the suitcases 611 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,920 that I've got the, I think they're called globetrotters, 612 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,360 that they look like old fashioned suitcases. 613 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:09,600 I've had them for years. Yeah, I used to take twelve of 614 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,520 those on tour. They were brilliant actually. 615 00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,120 I remember my father being slightly obsessed with them. 616 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:20,400 I tell you what happened to me when I went on a pilgrimage with 617 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:29,480 SAD Guru in 2010. I we went to Nepal where we I 618 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:34,680 met SAG Guru and we were going into Tibet and going to Mount 619 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:38,800 Kailash, which is a very holy mountain. 620 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,600 And I was very excited. It was going to be great. 621 00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,840 And there was like 50 people. My friend Emily was coming with 622 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:50,200 me. And the day we left, I'm 623 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:54,600 standing in the lobby at the hotel and Sad Guru comes and he 624 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,320 says, what is this suitcase, Joe? 625 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:02,640 I said it's my stuff, Sad Guru, he said, and we were going away 626 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:07,040 for a month and he said no, you're not taking that. 627 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,600 I said, don't be silly, what am I going to do? 628 00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:14,240 He said, everything that you're going to take is going to be on 629 00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:17,760 your back. I said stop it. 630 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,480 You, you hadn't read the particulars. 631 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,960 Stop it, he said. Go and sort your stuff out. 632 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:30,600 So I had I put, I put a couple of changes of knickers, another 633 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:35,400 bra, another T-shirt, another jumper, a couple of pairs of wet 634 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:39,040 pants and raincoat and and a pair of pyjamas and that was it. 635 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,360 And do you know I didn't miss anything. 636 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:43,480 I. Was going to say, did that feel 637 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,440 quite liberty? It was fantastic. 638 00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,200 I loved it and I always try and think like that. 639 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:53,320 I mean, I've got a house in Spain, I've got stuff there and 640 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,280 then I stand at home here in England. 641 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,400 I think, oh, I take this and oh, you've got stuff there, what are 642 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,720 you doing? The best thing is to walk 643 00:40:00,720 --> 00:40:02,960 through the airport with just a tiny little bag. 644 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:07,280 So freeing, isn't it great? Do you have a High Street 645 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,360 favorite brand? Love Zara. 646 00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,680 But I like to buy things at last. 647 00:40:13,240 --> 00:40:17,920 So you're very you don't go in there for just a dopamine hit of 648 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,760 fashion. There's a great Zara in Spain 649 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,320 that I will go and have a. Look round. 650 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,760 And is that different, do you think to the Zara here? 651 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,360 Yeah, I think so. They're slightly different. 652 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:34,280 I bought a great pair of baggy brown jeans the other day. 653 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:40,000 Really so nice and money. No object brand. 654 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:50,960 If I love something, I don't mind paying what it is, but if I 655 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:52,760 fall in love with something, that's it, you know? 656 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,680 Slightly reluctant to ask you this question, but what, if 657 00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,840 anything, do you feel you've got an excessive amount of in your 658 00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:03,720 wardrobe? Black clothes. 659 00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,080 Just black. I can never find anything 660 00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:11,880 because it's all. Black and where are you at on 661 00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:17,120 designer bags? I've not been mad about bags 662 00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:22,600 lately. I've got my Hermes bags when I'm 663 00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,160 going somewhere cool, I'll take that. 664 00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:29,360 I've got a beautiful 1950s Hermes bag. 665 00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:31,920 That you obviously bought vintage. 666 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,440 Yeah, bought it an auction. Wow. 667 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,400 Yeah. So I'll use that on special 668 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,640 occasions. But no, I'm not. 669 00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:46,280 I've had a few years where I haven't been bag obsessed. 670 00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:51,080 Because you don't like the message that the bag sends. 671 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:55,240 No, it's just that I haven't seen one I've fallen in love 672 00:41:55,240 --> 00:41:56,520 with. So what? 673 00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,640 What are your favorite ones to use at the moment? 674 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:04,840 My leather bag over there I bought myself. 675 00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:08,480 And that is by. Nobody in particular, but it's 676 00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:13,360 all sustainable and you know, it's all made handmade and all 677 00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,160 that sort of stuff. I don't know who's it by. 678 00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,680 I bought it in Northamptonshire and a really lovely little 679 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:23,120 boutique there. Well, Northamptonshire used to 680 00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,320 be the home of tanning in Britain. 681 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,200 Place where they made all the shoes. 682 00:42:29,720 --> 00:42:34,400 Absolutely you're guilty secret the most expensive item of 683 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,880 clothing you've ever bought. I'm not asking for the price tag 684 00:42:38,720 --> 00:42:42,680 I. Suppose it has to be a coat that 685 00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:52,000 I bought at and it's it's mink it's but I've had it years and 686 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:53,600 years and years. Do you still wear it? 687 00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,560 Yes, I've had it years. And are you? 688 00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:00,040 Are you conscious that people will? 689 00:43:00,720 --> 00:43:03,400 It's vintage now. Yeah, absolutely. 690 00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:07,080 And and it's sustainable in many in many senses. 691 00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:12,360 I have a red fox as well. Folk hope I've got a couple of 692 00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:17,360 Yeah, I don't mind if people have have got me. 693 00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,600 It's so old. What do I'm what are you going 694 00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,520 to do, throw it away? I'd rather wear it. 695 00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:24,680 Yeah. I mean, talking about 696 00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:29,760 sustainable fashion, what's your approach to sustainability? 697 00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:34,520 Well, I think anything is sustainable if it lasts a long 698 00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:35,680 time. Yep. 699 00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,760 Absolutely. Let's spin on some quick fires. 700 00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,600 What fashion advice would you give your 20 year old self? 701 00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:51,000 To wear less. My body was great back then. 702 00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,840 Yes, and I should have been showing it off more. 703 00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,840 Which fashion trend or era would you most like to see make a 704 00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:00,200 comeback? 70s. 705 00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:05,880 Your last impulse buy? I suppose it was that black off 706 00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:07,640 the shoulder dress that I haven't worn yet. 707 00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:17,720 Views on tattoos few. Subtle ones I'm not crazy on. 708 00:44:17,720 --> 00:44:20,840 Lots of tattoos. Beauty. 709 00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:24,920 Treatment you couldn't give up. Gosh, I'll, I'll think of it in 710 00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:25,680 a minute. OK, we. 711 00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,800 Can come back to that high end or High Street. 712 00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,560 High end. Bling or bear? 713 00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:37,600 Oh, I love a bit of bling. Minimalism or maximalism? 714 00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,320 Maximalism couture or charity shop? 715 00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,320 Oh, I like a bit couture as well. 716 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:49,960 Crocs cute or puke. Crocs work Crocs you know Crocs. 717 00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,120 OK, so that that would be puke. Yeah, that would be puke. 718 00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,960 Sneakers or stilettos? Well, it has to be sneakers now. 719 00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:02,840 I'm not good on my stilettos. Anymore boyfriends or wide legs? 720 00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,120 I'm very much into the wide legs at the moment. 721 00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:11,560 Body con or boho? Body Con. 722 00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:16,280 Sports Lux or Rock chick? Rock Chick. 723 00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:20,640 Red carpet or relax? Oh, I do like going on the red 724 00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,160 carpet. Trend or style? 725 00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,240 Style hollow or monochrome. Monochrome. 726 00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:32,600 Experimental or uniform? I think experimental is quite 727 00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:33,840 good. It's individual. 728 00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:36,640 Cashmere or cotton? Cashmere. 729 00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:41,320 Order or editor? I'm I'm right in the middle, I 730 00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:45,240 edit and I hoard charity. Shop or resale? 731 00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,280 Resale. Beanie or Berry? 732 00:45:50,240 --> 00:45:53,400 Beanie, shapewear or sexy lingerie? 733 00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:58,280 Oh, it has to be sexy lingerie. Tights, stockings or hold. 734 00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,320 UPS. Well, I like to wear tights, so 735 00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:04,320 I suppose I'll say tights, but it depends on what I'm doing. 736 00:46:05,240 --> 00:46:06,720 Bikini or one? Piece. 737 00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:09,840 One piece these days. And traditional last question, 738 00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,840 at the end of the day, what do you or don't you wear in bed? 739 00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:15,200 Oh, I. Wear shorts and a little 740 00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,480 T-shirt. Brilliant, brilliant. 741 00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,120 But what is that beauty treatment I do? 742 00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:26,320 Philo Profilo. Oh God, that's hellish. 743 00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,600 I don't mind, I love it. Well, I like the results. 744 00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,880 You're glowing, You really are. Philo, that's it. 745 00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,080 Gosh, I can't believe my brain went dead like that. 746 00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:39,200 And it's not painful. It's not not painful. 747 00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:43,440 It's it's, you know. Downtime. 748 00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:48,120 Think it's not bad? 24 hours, yeah. 749 00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:54,160 Bee stings. Yeah, Joe, thank you so much. 750 00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,280 That was wonderful having a romp through your wardrobe. 751 00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:58,760 Really fabulous.