1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,520 I found, you know, this old shoe box was full of vintage earrings 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:06,960 and it started there, you know, sort of like late 70s, early 3 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:08,840 80s, you know, these kind of big chunky earrings. 4 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:11,000 They could not believe that somebody would just like get rid 5 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:13,480 of these earrings and I could snap them up for nothing because 6 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:17,080 my pocket money was so proud. On your vintage trawls you must 7 00:00:17,080 --> 00:00:18,800 come across quite a lot of real fur. 8 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:24,600 Where are you at on that? You know, London is a place 9 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:27,800 where people still dress up and they like to make an effort. 10 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:30,400 And I think this is the beauty of fashion, that you can 11 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:34,000 transform yourself. You can, you know, be whoever 12 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:36,600 you feel like that day you want to be. 13 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:42,480 Well, I do believe that clothing does hold energy, you know, from 14 00:00:42,480 --> 00:00:44,640 the previous owner. And I think that's why in some 15 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:49,760 cultures it's not custom to wear vintage precisely out of this 16 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:54,400 reason. Today I'm going on a style 17 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:57,880 journey with the vintage curator, brand consultant and 18 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:01,600 the founder of Atelier Meyer, the wonderful Carmen Haid. 19 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:05,480 Hello and welcome, Carmen. Hi, Amanda. 20 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:09,160 It's so lovely to see you. We work together on my brand's 21 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:13,680 25th anniversary. Absolutely. 10 years on and the 22 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,880 world of fashion is in a totally different place. 23 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:23,240 And I just wondered, you know, you're so on the pulse of the 24 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:28,960 fashion world, and I just wondered what your thoughts are 25 00:01:28,960 --> 00:01:33,400 on where it is at right now. It's so funny you say this 26 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:36,480 because I don't consider myself on the pulse at all because I 27 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:40,600 don't follow trends. Actually, this has always been 28 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:45,080 my thing, but for some reason I've kind of spot them sometimes 29 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:47,880 or I just naturally go, my instinct goes, you know, hence I 30 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:51,240 think that's why I like vintage and I've always been an avid 31 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:55,440 collector of vintage fashion and that's kind of my, my thing. 32 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:59,120 But when you ask me to state of the fashion today, to be honest, 33 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:03,000 I follow it of course still because I, I, I'm very 34 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:06,760 interested still. However, I don't think you can 35 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:10,520 compare it to anything that you and I know or, or we have lived 36 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:15,240 through because the world has changed essentially completely. 37 00:02:15,640 --> 00:02:19,240 The way the seasonality, the designers, the Dave, the star 38 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:21,280 designers sort of is gone. I mean, there's still a few 39 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:25,480 around, you know, I wish I would see more women in creative 40 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:27,160 director roles, to be very honest. 41 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:32,640 We we need that because sometimes, even though I respect 42 00:02:32,640 --> 00:02:36,200 the work of all these wonderful creative directors very much, I 43 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:41,080 think we need women to dress women like you have done so 44 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,400 successfully. I still, you know, I still have 45 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:47,040 quite a lot of your beautiful knitwear. 46 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:49,960 You're tailoring your Oh, that that. 47 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:54,960 Really, really pleases me. But I, you know, I think of you 48 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:58,600 as being a wonderful brand consultant. 49 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:03,680 I know that vintage is your thing, but I think you have a 50 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:09,160 way of really understanding brands and I just, I just sort 51 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:13,400 of wondered what drives that? Where does that come from? 52 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:16,680 I think it's, it's curiosity, you know, for instance, when I 53 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:22,080 dove into your world and everything about your DNA and 54 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:27,880 your style and your vision. And that's I think it's also why 55 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:32,400 I've kind of always worked in house for the big fashion houses 56 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:36,560 exclusively because I feel like I had that's luxury. 57 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:40,240 I specialized in luxury. And luxury for me is taking 58 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,440 time, taking time to delve into that brand, understand the 59 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:46,640 vision of the creative director of the founder, understand the 60 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:49,880 story, the heritage, go into the archives. 61 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:55,520 I I find more depths there. Because you started out with 62 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:59,600 which brand? So it's sort of well fell into 63 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,320 my lap in a way. I mean, we create our own, we 64 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:05,400 create our own destinies. But I, I did start at Isa 65 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:09,320 Laurent, but it was kind of by coincidence because I just moved 66 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:11,520 to London. It was, you know, in the late 67 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:16,040 90s and I was studying and I felt I needed to have a job 68 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:18,120 during the day. And then I sort of was walk 69 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:22,800 walking up and down newborn St. and distributing my CV and and 70 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,520 then they needed APR assistant at Yves Salon. 71 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:28,200 And I had no idea what even PR meant exactly. 72 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:31,480 It just sounded very glamorous. And he said, OK, well, Salon, I 73 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:35,080 think I can work for that. And then he ended up to be, you 74 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:38,200 know, a job for the next 15 years that I, you know, public 75 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,840 relations and communications I love very much. 76 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,800 Yeah. You were way ahead of the curve 77 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:51,400 when you created a Telemire. That was back in 2007. 78 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:58,120 Seven, I mean sort of vintage was being bought by designers 79 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,600 for. Archive exactly. 80 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:04,520 I had several designer friends who can't often raided my 81 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:07,920 wardrobe and say Arcana borders. And you know, I take an elephant 82 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:09,720 from this. And I mean, we've been doing 83 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:13,480 this for many, many decades and years to get inspired by vintage 84 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:15,760 and inspired by object and architecture. 85 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:22,360 But I felt after working for the corporate world and seeing, you 86 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:25,760 know, going through the 90s turn of the century to see how much 87 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:29,880 budget one fashion show consumes, how much money spent 88 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,520 on one collection. I just felt like, you know, 89 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,520 that's repeated in so many cycles. 90 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,760 And I felt this unsustainable and kind of growing up in 91 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:43,360 Austria, which was one of the first countries to be fining 92 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:45,400 people if you don't recycle properly. 93 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:47,800 I kind of grew up with this mindset and I came here to 94 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:50,040 England and I was like, wow, people don't even recycle 95 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:52,120 properly. And then it, you know, had my 96 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:54,040 experience in the fashion industry and I was just like, 97 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:56,440 wow, this is there's so much waste going on. 98 00:05:56,840 --> 00:06:00,800 Why don't we look what we already have, produce less and 99 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,200 use the existing and give it a new twist. 100 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:06,320 And I couldn't find, quite frankly, anything remotely 101 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:09,720 interesting online in Europe. It was all kind of, we had real, 102 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:12,720 real in America, but there was nothing in Europe of the like. 103 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,160 And then Natalie Massinet started Neta Porte and she was a 104 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:20,280 big mentor and icon for me. And I thought, wow, we should do 105 00:06:20,280 --> 00:06:22,680 this with vintage. And so I I started 106 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,080 ataliemaya.com with that in mind. 107 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:27,080 Where were you sourcing back then? 108 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:31,400 I mean, literally, I, I would go to fairs, I would go to dealers 109 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:34,440 and then, you know, would travel around as well. 110 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:37,040 And people would sort of, you know, word by mouth. 111 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:40,000 And people started then and say, oh, you know, my aunt has 112 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,080 inherited. I have this whole attic full of 113 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:45,720 vintage Celine and I don't wear it anymore. 114 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:49,200 My daughter doesn't want it. You know, can you do something 115 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:50,920 with it? And sometimes I felt it came 116 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:54,360 across the most incredible collections and places that you 117 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:56,560 would not not necessarily associate with. 118 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:00,640 For instance, I went to Beirut. It was one of my missions to 119 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,480 sort of educate people in places where maybe vintage was not 120 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:05,960 necessarily available. So I started to doing this trunk 121 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:07,960 show concept, which you know, very well too. 122 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,640 And I took the, the, the brand actually to the Middle East, 123 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,120 which but you know, we're talking about 10-15 years ago. 124 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:17,600 I mean, nobody would go, oh, it's vintage fashion to Dubai or 125 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:21,840 Bahrain or Qatar. And anyway, I went and I went to 126 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,960 Beirut and I found the most extraordinary, you know, or 127 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:29,360 couture closets in, in Beirut, you know, from the heyday from, 128 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:33,040 you know, people and they were absolutely sophisticated 129 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,840 collectors. And I found treasures. 130 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,280 What? If, if I would say to you, what 131 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:41,840 is the best treasure you've ever found, what would it be? 132 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:45,840 Gosh, it's hard to see because I've come across quite a few. 133 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:48,760 But you know, sometimes you'd go to, you know, I mean, I had to 134 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:51,240 go to some grim places, but there was one lady in 135 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:54,120 particular. I remember she was a French lady 136 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:57,880 in England. So in the countryside, the house 137 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:00,000 almost falling apart and it was going there. 138 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,840 It was literally out of movies. She had taxidermy everywhere 139 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:06,720 and, and she was living there by herself. 140 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:11,720 She's in the mid 80s and she had this closet full, full of 141 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:18,520 jackets and, and, and I kind of sifted through and I found an 142 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,800 original Paul Poiret. Coat. 143 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:25,840 I I, I, I pulled it out and just like, Oh yeah, you know, do do 144 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:28,120 you remember this guy called Paul Prore? 145 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:29,800 I just bought it because of the button. 146 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:31,880 I was like, Oh my God, this is a museum feature. 147 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:34,520 No, she said, Are you sure you don't want to keep yourself? 148 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:37,760 Oh, no, you can have it. So I was, you know, it ended up 149 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:41,919 in a museum and I had it, of course, valued and, you know, 150 00:08:41,919 --> 00:08:44,760 gone, you know, properly checked by experts. 151 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:48,000 So where do you take something like that to get it 152 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:51,840 authenticated or checked? Well, I mean, the, there is a 153 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:55,880 fantastic specialist here that I love to go to is Carrie Taylor. 154 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,200 Yes, very well. The auction, exactly. 155 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:00,920 She runs the auctions for many years and she, I think she's one 156 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:02,840 of the best experts here in England, for instance. 157 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,200 But you have people like this in France, you have, you know, in 158 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:09,000 Italy as well. Now you've sort of you've 159 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:15,480 expanded Atelia Meyer, haven't you, into lifestyle and 160 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:19,640 entertainment and scene setting. Were interestingly enough, you 161 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:21,680 know, funnily enough. So when I launched Atelier 162 00:09:21,680 --> 00:09:25,440 Maiso, which was inspired by my late grandmother and she was in 163 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:28,800 the Otkutu seamstress during the Viennese Secession movement, 164 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:30,680 which is the movement just before Bauhaus. 165 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:35,080 And it was sort of a collective of artists, glass makers, 166 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:39,800 textile designers, architects, you name it really. 167 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:44,360 And, and amongst them were, for instance, Gustav Klimt, who who 168 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:45,920 is very famous for his paintings. 169 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:48,720 But you know, he did a kitchen before he was painting. 170 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:51,800 Actually, my kitchen in my house in London is inspired by Gustav 171 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:53,200 Klimt. Yes. 172 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:55,480 And I didn't know that for instance. 173 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,440 But you know, there was this extraordinary band of artists 174 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:02,280 and they created this movement and they sort of, they called it 175 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:05,480 Davina Workstadt, like a workshop, Viennese workshop. 176 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:11,360 And they had some extraordinary projects like the Secession, you 177 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:15,320 know, secessionist peered architecture that you find in 178 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:17,840 Switzerland, in Austria, etcetera, throughout Germany as 179 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,840 well. And it had a very famous for 180 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:23,880 these bold graphic lines. And I thought it was so 181 00:10:24,680 --> 00:10:28,320 avant-garde for that time. They did this incredible bespoke 182 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:31,720 projects that you can see all around the world now. 183 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:35,960 And in fact they tried to do a Veena Berkshot in New York. 184 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:39,760 It did not succeed. But so lot kind of Long story 185 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:42,000 short, my grand, my late grandmother was sort of part of 186 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:45,000 this movement. And so I'm, I grew up spending 187 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:48,280 time in her utterly and she was this odd couture seamstress and 188 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,080 she was specialised in evening wear. 189 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:55,120 So I grew up dressing my Barbie dolls with leftover fabrics. 190 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:57,640 And, you know, she would take me to a fashion show and that sort 191 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:00,640 of was my inspiration to go into fashion. 192 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:05,600 And, but when you look back at the Viennese Secession, it was 193 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:10,200 sort of a lifestyle brand because it was a 360° view of 194 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:13,240 how you lead your life. You know, everything designed 195 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:18,760 from the furniture, from the ergonomic ways of its position. 196 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:25,240 And, and, and I just felt when it was time for me to follow my 197 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:30,000 family around the world and I had to sort of create new homes 198 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:35,160 every other year and I was looking into vintage furniture 199 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:39,440 and I was got really excited about that, actually quite more, 200 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:41,640 you know, more and more than fashion. 201 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:46,640 And and then I thought, OK, well, that's, that's could be a 202 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:49,760 business. And and that's when I changed 203 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:53,280 the direction from Italy, Maya fashion, vintage fashion to 204 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:57,240 vintage objects and furniture. Beautiful, beautiful. 205 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:01,520 Now this beautiful candle that you've bought me here, tell me 206 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:06,240 about the origins of this. Well, I love this candle. 207 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:10,560 So this is a collaboration with a fellow friend and artist. 208 00:12:10,560 --> 00:12:14,560 Her name is Lawrence Leonard and she has a brand called LRNCE. 209 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,600 She's a ceramicist, but she actually did start with fashion. 210 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:20,200 Funny enough, a lot of people maybe think that she always was 211 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:23,480 in furniture and and ceramics, but she she has an amazing 212 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:26,400 workshop in Marrakech and I'm a big fan of her work. 213 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:31,280 And so I, as part of the, the new direction of Atili Maya, I 214 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:34,360 developed my own home fragrance and room scent. 215 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:38,320 And so this is a new edition, which is a candle that we're, 216 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:40,840 we're launching now. And you're one of the first 217 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:42,440 people to have it. Thank you. 218 00:12:42,560 --> 00:12:44,640 And it's, you know, it's, it's lovely. 219 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:50,080 It's, but I love about it. I mean, so Lars incorporated the 220 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,600 idea of the Atili Maya secessionist. 221 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:55,760 So this is her design, but we had a mood board and she gave a 222 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:58,400 complete free rein. So she came up with this and 223 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:01,080 it's all hand painted, hand glazed and and bad in her 224 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:02,800 facilities and factory in Marrakech. 225 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:06,280 And it's limited edition. And so I thought it was just a 226 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:08,440 nice thing to have in the collection. 227 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:10,120 Have a candle. It's gorgeous. 228 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,680 It's all organic, it's all sourced in Morocco, it's all 229 00:13:12,680 --> 00:13:15,800 sourced by women. So I'm a big advocate for 230 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:23,760 women's businesses also for using local local versus having 231 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:25,760 it produced in China or somewhere. 232 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:27,480 Around the world, Yeah. Yeah. 233 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:29,200 What? What next? 234 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:30,800 You've got this lovely collaboration. 235 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:34,320 You're expanding your footprint really of a 10. 236 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:38,760 Fashion to objects and furniture was sort of an easy progression, 237 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:43,600 natural. And and now funnily enough, it's 238 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,760 kind of pulling me into two directions. 239 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:51,400 One is continuing with the vintage sourcing, which is an 240 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:55,200 ongoing thing, but it's more sort of more bespoke projects. 241 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,200 You know, let's say you come round and say, oh, I have this 242 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:59,920 office, I need to furnish it in vintage, you know, give me a 243 00:13:59,920 --> 00:14:01,920 call. I'm happy to, to organise that 244 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:03,560 for you. So I have a lot of projects like 245 00:14:03,560 --> 00:14:07,840 this bespoke, but I have and then so I have this showroom in 246 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:11,880 Marrakech which people come and see and they say, oh, you know, 247 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:15,720 and my home there too. And people come in and say, oh, 248 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,000 I love you so far. Where can I buy this and that? 249 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:23,080 So I kind of do more Pittsburgh interior projects as well, and 250 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:25,440 also a little bit more hospitality for nearly enough. 251 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,360 You know, people come and they say, oh, can you help me, you 252 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:30,840 know, organise this event? And I say, oh gosh, I've done 253 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:33,440 this a long time ago, but you know that it comes back and I do 254 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:34,320 enjoy it. I have you're. 255 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:37,280 Really good at it curating those events. 256 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:41,040 I love it. I love I'm a people's person and 257 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:43,880 I love to create good vibrations. 258 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:47,920 And you know that of course you need to have a good selection of 259 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:51,840 people or friends, but it's so much more than that, right? 260 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:55,000 It's it's the how do you? I mean you are the perfect 261 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:56,520 example. Oration. 262 00:14:56,680 --> 00:15:00,200 Right, exactly decoration, it's how you enter the room. 263 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:02,120 How does it smell? How is the light? 264 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:04,000 Are there flowers? Is there food? 265 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,200 You know, it's kind of this awareness. 266 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:10,200 And so I quite, I quite like to, to be this, this great of 267 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:14,320 vibrations, good vibrations. I love that it took you to 268 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:18,120 Marrakech. Well, originally I went to 269 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:19,520 Marrakech for the very first time. 270 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:24,320 I think it was like 93 or something like that for a job. 271 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:28,120 I was very young. I was working as a model then as 272 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:31,040 well, and it was quite funny because I came there with a 273 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:35,000 photographer, Semi Hart, who is a wonderful photographer in 274 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:37,360 Germany right now. He does a lot of interesting 275 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:39,280 work, so he's still around as well. 276 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:43,000 And so I went with him for the very first time and I thought, 277 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:46,080 wow, what is an incredible universe I've discovered here. 278 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:48,440 I was mesmerised. It was sort of like always those 279 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:51,240 fairy tale books that I've read when I was a child. 280 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:54,560 And then I thought, OK, if I have the opportunity, I'd like 281 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:57,600 to come back. And then over the years, I was 282 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:02,320 invited many times back to events like birthdays or 283 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:04,680 parties. And then also when I started to 284 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:07,680 work for Yves Laurent. Then of course, the big heritage 285 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:12,360 of Mrs. Celeron was in Marrakech and in Morocco, and you can see 286 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:14,800 it's through his collection. But also, you know, that was 287 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:16,240 definitely a big inspiration too. 288 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:20,920 And then when it was time for me to buy, I did buy in Morocco and 289 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:23,520 I not regret it. I can only highly recommend it. 290 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:26,920 Now today we're going on a style journey and it's your style 291 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:30,400 journey, so talk me through what you're wearing. 292 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:36,800 OK, so I'm the vintage queen in terms of, you know, funnily 293 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:40,840 enough, this is Vintage Cellar. Also the jacket. 294 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:42,160 What? Vintage. 295 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:43,960 Roughly what? The 1970s. 296 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,840 It's like a Belarus collection. The jacket. 297 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:51,360 This Also I love the Paisley's. You know Paisley I think you 298 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,040 know I and I'm worried all the time and never goes out of 299 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:57,040 fashion. Yeah, Paisley's. 300 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:00,720 And then these cuffs, I remember we did a collaboration with this 301 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:05,359 fantastic designer called Catherine Alexander and she made 302 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:10,760 this plexiglass cuffs and we I collected broaches, vintage 303 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:12,319 broaches. I think this is a Christian Dior 304 00:17:12,319 --> 00:17:14,119 broach. This is another maybe Shriner 305 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:18,960 and it's costume jewellery, but it's done in the 50s and 40s and 306 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:21,960 not many people wear Brotas anymore, do they? 307 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:25,640 And I just thought because I'm a big, I like big jewellery, 308 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:29,080 chunky and the cuffs. And so you, you put it on and 309 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:31,040 it's immediately dressy and it's a one off. 310 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:34,760 And those are so, yes. Do you still do pieces like 311 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:37,360 that? I mean, I can always expand 312 00:17:37,360 --> 00:17:39,880 again into fashion and accessories, but at the moment 313 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:42,600 you know, you have to follow you are exactly I mean. 314 00:17:43,120 --> 00:17:46,640 So and then you. Are so then I have this and then 315 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:50,120 so I have this ring I wear this is a little bit my uniform 316 00:17:50,120 --> 00:17:54,400 sometimes this ring is actually Swarovski, but really long time 317 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:58,560 ago and I love it. And then this ring, it's a very 318 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:01,360 special ring. This one has been given to me by 319 00:18:01,360 --> 00:18:07,720 Mrs. Salon, and it was, there's a tradition in France called 320 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:13,240 Saint Catherine's Day. And so if you are 25 years old 321 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:17,640 or under 25 and not unmarried and you work for an old couture 322 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:20,760 house on Saint Catherine's Day, there's a ceremony. 323 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:23,760 You've got to wear a hat in all of this and you'll be given a 324 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:28,640 present from the designer. So this was the ring. 325 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:31,520 It's a glass ring that never went into production. 326 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:34,440 Now fab. It's the most glorious colour 327 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:37,320 though, isn't it? I love it and I feel like it's 328 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:39,760 pretty. It gives me it brings me luck. 329 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,800 Yes, and joy too. I mean luck and joy. 330 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:46,080 And yeah, so just yeah. Good vibes. 331 00:18:46,120 --> 00:18:47,320 Good vibes. Exactly. 332 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:49,000 And he has survived all these years. 333 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:50,160 And what a lovely. Story. 334 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:51,920 Yeah. Yeah, goodness. 335 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:54,920 So you're sorry to interrupt, but you see, This is why I like 336 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:58,120 Vintage as well, because there's always a little story attached. 337 00:18:58,120 --> 00:19:00,680 Totally agree, Right. Totally agree. 338 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:02,600 Yeah. Is there anything you wouldn't 339 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:05,720 buy? 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I mean underwear maybe you know, 357 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:19,000 and swimwear. I mean, I do have a swimwear if 358 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:23,080 it's unworn, but sometimes you can find amazing swimwear, you 359 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,080 know, 60s shapes. Just, you know, for design, 360 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:30,240 again, for for archive. Shoes are a bit particular as 361 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,720 well. Again, if they're unworn, you 362 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:34,080 know. Yes, but shoes? 363 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:38,440 Shoes are trickier I think too because of your foot molds into 364 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:43,280 a shoe and. Well, I do believe that clothing 365 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:46,440 does hold energy, you know, from the previous owner. 366 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:51,080 And I think that's why in some cultures, it's not custom to 367 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,160 wear vintage precisely out of this reason. 368 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,360 But when I had Atilia Meyer, I did work with the Feng shui 369 00:20:56,360 --> 00:21:00,080 specialist to sort of Feng shui all the garments and to bring 370 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:03,440 the equilibrium back into those items. 371 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:07,080 And, and we did have the Feng shui certificate and it did work 372 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:09,400 well. But you know, you, I'm sure you 373 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,080 have these, these these situations when you have a dress 374 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,640 and say, oh, I've always, you don't know what to wear and you 375 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,400 put it on and you have always had a good time in this dress. 376 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,960 Yeah. No, it it's true now you grew up 377 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:24,680 in Austria. Yes, in Innsbruck from the Alps. 378 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:26,880 I'm from the Alps. So you're a good skier? 379 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:31,040 I hope so, yeah. Maybe better enough for a ski 380 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,960 these days. Were you, were you very aware of 381 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:35,240 your parents? Style. 382 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:40,320 I think my parents, they enjoy fashion, but they're not into it 383 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,680 the way I am. You know, I think sort of maybe 384 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,160 jumped a generations. My parents are really into 385 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:48,800 academic fields and they're very much into the books and, and, 386 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,720 and that's absolutely fine, but I think more after my 387 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:55,960 grandmother was sort of, you know, she lived and breathed 388 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,400 fashion. And did she make clothes for 389 00:21:58,400 --> 00:21:59,160 you? She did. 390 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:03,160 She did make clothes. She actually made me a lot of 391 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:04,280 clothes. Clothes. 392 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,640 My first clothes that I, you know, in Austria when I went to 393 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:12,080 school, I had to wear dandle. Can you I have it on my list of 394 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:13,280 questions? Believe. 395 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:17,720 That I Did you wear dandles? Well, I did wear dandel in 396 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,920 primary school, definitely, and it on my first day to school, I 397 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:22,880 was very proud. You know, an April did it whole 398 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:24,040 thing feel. Good. 399 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:26,440 Yes, I mean, it's the national dress. 400 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,160 Yeah, and how do you feel wearing a dandel? 401 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:32,840 Now it's quite funny. I mean, it feels a bit more like 402 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:34,560 dress up nowadays. Does it? 403 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,320 Yes. Do you remember that first 404 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,560 outfit that your grandmother made you, that you put on and 405 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:49,080 you just felt transformed? Yes, it was a little red dress 406 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:53,960 with white polka dots and he had sort of lace on the bottom and 407 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,440 it was a dress and she took me to a fashion show and I felt 408 00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,720 like $1,000,000 and it felt so special. 409 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,400 How old were you? I don't know, maybe 40? 410 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:07,040 My God, five, yes. Do you think that was a light 411 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:10,480 bulb moment for you in terms of the transformative power of 412 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,840 clothes? Absolutely, because I could see 413 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,480 also clients would come to the atelier would always hide, you 414 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,040 know, they they have usually evening dresses they would hide 415 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:23,040 behind, you know, dig there underneath the Stockman dummy, 416 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,680 the display in inside the skirt and then just peek out to see. 417 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,720 And I could see, you know, complete transformation from the 418 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:33,000 plane woman that arrived to when she put on the evening gown, for 419 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:34,200 instance. And then she would completely 420 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,640 look like a Princess. I love these Princess moments. 421 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:41,840 Hang on a tick you were hiding? Yes, under a Stockman dummy with 422 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,040 a a skirt on it or a dress on it. 423 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,440 Sometimes when my my grandmother had fittings, yes. 424 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:47,680 And you? Would just peep out. 425 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,240 Yes. Oh my God, what a glorious 426 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:52,480 thought. God, how lovely. 427 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:58,280 So do you remember though the first piece of second hand 428 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,320 clothing that you bought? I think it was, I mean, 429 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,440 clothing, I think it started with me more with accessories 430 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:08,040 because we used to go to Italy for, for the summer and there 431 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,960 were lots of little markets and you'd find that, you know, 432 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,160 sometimes lots of tap, but I just loved it. 433 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,960 And, and, and I found, you know, this old shoe box was full of 434 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,280 vintage earrings and it started there, you know, sort of like 435 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,080 late 70s, early 80s, you know, these kind of big chunky 436 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:24,280 earrings. They could not believe that 437 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,680 somebody would just like get rid of these earrings and I could 438 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,600 snap them up for nothing because my pocket money was so proud. 439 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:34,240 So that was 1 moment. And then clothing, I think 440 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,840 because it's not so custom in Austria to wear second hand 441 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,160 clothes. That's why I said, you know, 442 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,960 it's more the cultures, like if you, if you have to wear second 443 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:46,440 hand clothes, that means that you probably must be poor. 444 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,120 You can't afford something new. You know, that was sort of like 445 00:24:49,120 --> 00:24:52,720 the idea how you grow up. Of course, it's changed now too. 446 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:57,360 So actually vintage clothing itself only discovered in 447 00:24:57,360 --> 00:24:59,120 London. Really. 448 00:24:59,120 --> 00:25:01,000 Yeah. Portobello bro. 449 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,280 I was going to say where. You know, all those little 450 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,720 markets, Littlesfield East and you know I would go to all this 451 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,280 markets every weekend and I just loved it. 452 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:17,280 I remember I bought one, it was a 44 fur leopard print coat that 453 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,640 I still have today and it's sort of quite rock'n'roll very 70s. 454 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:24,600 So kind of very chamber in, you know, that kind of look still 455 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,480 works today. So you bought this fabulous 456 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:32,760 leopard print faux fur on your vintage trawls you must come 457 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:38,360 across quite a lot of real fur. Where are you at on that? 458 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:40,960 Well, look, I'm an animal lovers, right? 459 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:45,000 I love I love animals. So I would never wear fur where 460 00:25:45,360 --> 00:25:47,560 an animal has been deliberately killed for this. 461 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,760 Like a new fur. Now vintage fur again, you know, 462 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:54,440 if it's there already, you know? Yeah, I use it. 463 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,280 What? Would you say is the most 464 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,640 exciting piece you've ever found? 465 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:05,120 Maybe 1 of Gabrielle Chanel's dresses that she had in her own 466 00:26:05,120 --> 00:26:07,680 collection. With her personal collection. 467 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:11,080 Yes, and she there was a actually, I think again, it's a 468 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,480 museum piece that ended up in a museum. 469 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:20,480 I think it in Canada. It was a skyline dress. 470 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:22,960 It's it's called the Skyline Dress. 471 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,240 And it was. Can you explain? 472 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:25,880 That it was a little black dress. 473 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:30,640 And so it was the New York skyline sort of projected onto 474 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,480 the dress. And, you know, it was fringe. 475 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:37,320 And, you know, it was very 1930s and very, very Chanel. 476 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,640 And obviously from her personal collection. 477 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:43,440 And it was a rare find. And when you come across a find 478 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:47,840 like that, do you approach a museum and say, are you 479 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,720 interested in acquiring this? What's the process? 480 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:55,000 Because I did usually back in the day, I used to do a weekly 481 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,760 mail out and I had museums on my, my mailing list. 482 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,840 And so sometimes I would get, you know, I would get calls from 483 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,000 that. But let's say if I found a piece 484 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,440 like this, yes, I would make sort of calls to certain people 485 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,760 that I knew that they were looking or they were building a 486 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,400 collection. You know, there was also a work 487 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,880 with the Hamburg Museum in Seoul, for instance, for a 488 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,480 number of pieces as well. So yes. 489 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,400 So sometimes it would give these people a qualifier before it 490 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,800 would go in the mailing list. Where are the best sources in 491 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,480 your opinion for vintage shopping? 492 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:34,000 I would say markets, still markets, private people, 493 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,720 collectors. There's some wonderful stores 494 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:40,480 now everywhere I can find, you know, in in the UK, lots of 495 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:44,240 amazing vintage stores now also in France. 496 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:49,200 I like to go in Belgium and America, of course, amazing as 497 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,120 well. You can find in New York, in LA, 498 00:27:51,120 --> 00:27:54,280 amazing vintage in LA, Palm Beach, I love it. 499 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,880 You know, I mean sort of places also Dallas, TX, all of those 500 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,200 places you can find incredible pieces. 501 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,280 Anything in particular that's trending in the vintage world at 502 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,600 the moment? See, I don't really look at it. 503 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,320 I don't look at. It no, but I just wonder 504 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,640 because, you know, I, I would imagine that then pushes the 505 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:17,240 price up, you know, if it's, if it's really popular. 506 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,120 It affects the, you know, the current affairs kind of 507 00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:23,600 influenced the vintage, the trend of vintage. 508 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,560 You know, I remember, you know, with Versace, for instance, you 509 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,080 know, there was a whole movement with Versace and everyone was 510 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,440 like, OK, we find it. Then Fendi, then Karl Lagerfeld. 511 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:36,200 You know, it depends, you know, if somebody passes away or 512 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,760 changes direction, then there is always a good hint that that 513 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:44,320 could become next. I've just come across, it's 514 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,040 funny, I went to this vintage fair the other week and I 515 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,280 bought, I don't know what I was thinking. 516 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,640 I don't know when I'm going to wear it, but it was this 517 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:57,960 beautiful Strass mask out of Strass rhinestones. 518 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,120 Yes, exactly. It's like, wow. 519 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,920 But it's not. You know, you everyday go to the 520 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:07,880 shopping to put on your Strass mask, but the occasion will 521 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:09,840 come. And then when I bought the mask, 522 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,840 the lady's like, oh, he was so on trend. 523 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,600 Because now this next movie is coming out, it's all about 524 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:17,400 masks. You'll see in January, February, 525 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:21,000 there will be no masks. OK, great confirmation of 526 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,320 backing a trend. Have you ever bought something 527 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:29,400 sort of with a Telia Meyer in in mind and just sort of totally 528 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,960 fallen in love with it and thought, no, I can't sell that? 529 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,480 Yes, it happens to me many times. 530 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,160 And then you have to think, do you want to have a business or 531 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:39,680 do you want to be a collector? Yeah. 532 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,000 Right, Yeah. I mean, is your own wardrobe 533 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:49,800 quite concise or is it huge? Well, look, I mean after being 534 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:53,320 in fashion for so long and working for this incredible 535 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:58,200 brands that I've accumulated quite a lot of clothing and 536 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,040 accessories. And also I've been given, I get 537 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:05,240 given a lot of pieces as well. And I have beautiful designer 538 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,800 friends that I want to support and I have supported all these 539 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,000 years. So yes, you do end up having 540 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,280 quite, I mean, I end up having quite a large wardrobe, but I 541 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:20,720 did sell as well. And in the end, you only wear a 542 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,360 certain contingent on regular pieces. 543 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:28,080 But I have to say, you know, London is a place where people 544 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,800 still dress up and they like to make an effort. 545 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,440 And I think this is the beauty of fashion that you can 546 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:37,040 transform yourself. You can, you know, be whoever 547 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:42,400 you feel like that day you want to be and, and get into that 548 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,480 mood with clothing and accessories. 549 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,240 And so it's nice to have that choice. 550 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,960 You know, for instance, yes, I could have sold this blouse long 551 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:50,520 time ago, but you know, I still wear it. 552 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:55,280 I do wear my things. I mean, talking of London, you 553 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,160 have homes in London, Paris, Marrakech. 554 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:04,080 Are you a different Carmen stylistically in London, Paris, 555 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:08,560 Paris and Marrakech? I love that in London you can 556 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,720 unshamingly be yourself. Nobody kind of judges you, even 557 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,800 if you make a handstand in the metro or I don't know, if you 558 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,000 make it literally like maybe the bats and eyelid here. 559 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,880 Now in France it's slightly different. 560 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,880 And also in France it's sort of like a bit of a, a uniform in 561 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,840 terms of like, you know, the base trench, the white shirts, 562 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,200 you know, they're kind of like classic, which I love. 563 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,720 But I also like I'm a bit more eccentric than that and like to 564 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,400 have a pop of colour and make it a bit more quirky. 565 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:44,720 So I did maybe dress down a little bit more in France and 566 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,440 dress up more here. And then in Morocco, for 567 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:52,760 instance, it's more like the Bohemian look going on. 568 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:59,120 And I suppose and so are you in vintage in Morocco or are you in 569 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:03,560 local designers? Both there's there, there's 570 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:08,240 incredible talent in Morocco when it comes to craftsmanship 571 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,200 and as far as also fashion, you know we do. 572 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,560 There was also Fashion Trust Arabia we'd we held last year in 573 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:18,240 Morocco, in Marrakech and it was a testament as well. 574 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,160 I mean, it was the year of cultural exchange. 575 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,080 Why this happened? But also because there's a lot 576 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:23,840 of talent coming out of this region. 577 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,920 And to answer your question, I like to support local designers. 578 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,120 I think they're fabulous and really need to be championed and 579 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,600 have a good shout out at the same time. 580 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,920 I love my vintage SO and it kind of works. 581 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:40,040 So I always mix and match. Do you have any fabulous vintage 582 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,040 Sagaron kaftans? I do. 583 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:44,560 You. Are a lucky girl. 584 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:45,160 I do. I have. 585 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,400 Also, do you remember Thea Porter? 586 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,640 Yes, Yes, I have one of hers as well. 587 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,080 We kind of like, read with, like, brocade. 588 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,560 I mean, they're lovely, really lovely pieces. 589 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,680 Yeah. But how lovely that you have the 590 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,800 place to wear them. Exactly. 591 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,760 And it's it's nicer to wear them sometimes than to have them in a 592 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:09,320 museum, don't you think? Yes, but I think I, I love I in 593 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:13,200 fact, I had this conversation with Leo earlier that he said 594 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,800 he, you know, had been bought some white sneakers, very 595 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,120 special ones by his wife and who didn't dare wear them. 596 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,720 And I said you cannot save your best till tomorrow because we 597 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,200 don't know if we're going to be here tomorrow. 598 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,200 Wear it, love it, enjoy it. I think it's really, really 599 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,160 important. Why do you think you really 600 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:34,880 discovered your style DNA? I think throughout the 20s and 601 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,680 having always worked for a brand, so I was always 602 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,240 representing that brand. So I was always embodying that 603 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:46,080 woman and I could identify myself very well with the seller 604 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:50,040 or brand, for instance, or Celine or, or yours. 605 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,760 But it was also a bit more wardrobe building then, right? 606 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,960 You know, I, I had to build whatever, you know, the cashmere 607 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,480 sweater in the different colours or the blouse, the pussy bow 608 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,280 blouse in different colours. And you know, you need to have a 609 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,120 blazer, you need to have one leopard print. 610 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:11,199 And I don't know, just so now once you have all of this, it's 611 00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:14,440 a bit more sort of like what works for my lifestyle. 612 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:20,400 And that has changed as well because over the years, I used 613 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,159 to go and dress up every day in the office and we'd have high 614 00:34:23,159 --> 00:34:25,639 heels and it would commute in high as I would go. 615 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,040 I mean, that was normal. I wouldn't even have a second 616 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:29,920 pair of shoes. I mean, I wouldn't even think 617 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,880 about this twice now. But back then, this was how it 618 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,040 was done. And also we do you remember we 619 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:36,520 had dressed on Fridays? Yeah. 620 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,000 Dressed on Fridays. Where is dressed on Friday. 621 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,400 That's everyday now. Spoiler So exactly. 622 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:47,639 So I think now we go more from the morning to the evening. 623 00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:55,400 So my style DNA is now more utility, practical, go from 624 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,080 morning to evening. But still, you know, 625 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,520 comfortable, elegant, effortless. 626 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,040 You try all of those things and try. 627 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,040 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, do you have a style icon? 628 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,720 Yes, I have many. Give me a couple. 629 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,520 I love Lulu de le Feliz, yes, very much. 630 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:25,600 She was, for me, incredible in terms of her mix of colour and 631 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,960 the resources that she just, yeah, fantastic. 632 00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:33,040 I love Diane from Furstenberg. I love Marisa Berenson. 633 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,840 I see all of those women in you, yes. 634 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,640 It's very kind. Yeah. 635 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,360 I think it all of that. You know, Audrey Hepburn I love, 636 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,960 but I think, you know, Audrey happened, for instance. 637 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:49,760 She's so classic and so wonderful. 638 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,120 But sometimes it's it's not right in this day and age 639 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,640 anymore because we have all sort of moved on. 640 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:56,600 Yeah. Yeah. 641 00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,840 You've given me a whole load of words. 642 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,200 Let's let's refine it down to three. 643 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,680 But is it maybe heritage? Yes. 644 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,280 I because I like vintage or vintage or heritage. 645 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,720 I like when something has a provenance, when it's a story. 646 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:15,400 Craftsmanship, well made, good materials, interesting 647 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:21,800 techniques and maybe opulent. Yeah, yeah, kind of, you know. 648 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,000 Absolutely no. I love that. 649 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,760 I have, sort of. I love the minimalist, but it's 650 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,040 not quite me. Yeah, it, it never was. 651 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,240 It never was. But I I love that. 652 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:40,440 What would you say is the secret to staying stylish as the years 653 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,280 creep by? I think, you know, when people 654 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,960 say, oh, you haven't changed now I think it's a compliment, you 655 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,720 know, because it means I haven't changed in all these years. 656 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,240 But I think it's a secret, actually, Yeah. 657 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,760 Wear vintage that you can wear again and again because people 658 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,160 see you in the same clothes and they see, OK, well, she hasn't 659 00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,960 changed. The same haircut haven't 660 00:36:59,960 --> 00:37:00,720 changed. I have. 661 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,600 I I was not brave enough. I love these really short, 662 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,200 stylish haircuts sometimes. And, you know, sometimes I tell 663 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:11,160 my children I want to have this, like, super Japanese cut Bob is 664 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:12,720 the fringe. And it's like, don't. 665 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,640 And then again, I said, you know, I've stuck to my haircut. 666 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,800 And I think that's probably also one of the reasons. 667 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:23,120 And I think I just don't care so much anymore what other people 668 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,440 think. Isn't that liberating? 669 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,560 And it's so liberating. I love it. 670 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,440 Yeah. What is date night, Carmen? 671 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:36,680 Wearing a little dress from a little vintage dress, maybe Gila 672 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:38,960 Roche. I like, you know, they did in 673 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,680 the 70s, like some really cool cut pieces. 674 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,920 They can cut them something and modify them. 675 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:47,880 Sometimes I cut them. There's a little cool high heel 676 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:52,560 little slinky bag. And what heels do you choose to 677 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,560 wear? Because if you're, you're 678 00:37:54,600 --> 00:38:00,880 generally in vintage, yes, but but so who, which designers are 679 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:02,960 you reaching for in terms of heels? 680 00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,160 As I said, shoes. I try not to be vintage if I 681 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,400 don't have to. So one of my favourite shoe 682 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,680 designers is Isa Tapia. She's a friend of mine in New 683 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:15,600 York and she makes the most extraordinary comfortable shoes. 684 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,240 And there's I, I actually wear them now. 685 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:23,000 Look, I wear them now, but these are just flats. 686 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:27,120 But I have, you know, different sizes and yeah, so she's one of 687 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,760 my 2:00 to go shoe designer, one of them. 688 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:35,280 Yeah, yeah, and chill out. Stay at home, Carmen Wearing. 689 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,360 What? I'm under wakely cashmere. 690 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,120 What? Would you say you reach for when 691 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:47,040 you want to feel empowered? Well, first of all, it's the 692 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:51,000 state of inner power for me. That's where it starts. 693 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,200 Yeah. And it's feeling centered, 694 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:58,120 feeling aligned in yourself and then when you in terms of 695 00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,520 fashion. So can I just stop you there? 696 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:05,480 So do you have any rituals to bring you to that place? 697 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,840 Yes, it's breath work. It's breathing. 698 00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:12,760 It's meditation that usually centers me. 699 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:18,200 And of course, yoga, because I always think, you know, aligned 700 00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,600 body is that, you know, flexible mind, a flexible body, flexible 701 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,160 mind. Yeah. 702 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,760 And that very, I mean, we all intertwine this all energy. 703 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,520 So that for sure. And then when it comes to 704 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,240 fashion, I think colour, A touch of colour always gives you 705 00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:33,800 power. You know, especially in this 706 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,160 grey weather, it's nice to wear colour. 707 00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:40,200 I love also jackets. It's kind of, you know, the the 708 00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:44,960 standard power uniform for women, but it still works. 709 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:47,800 And I think also a really good heel. 710 00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:49,640 Yeah. Love high heels. 711 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,400 Do you have? One particular jacket that is 712 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:58,040 your go to real power jacket. Not one in particular, but I 713 00:39:58,040 --> 00:39:59,880 would say all the Ceylon jackets, yeah. 714 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,440 Yeah, they're so exquisitely cut. 715 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:07,000 Up and I think also Tere Migler did some extraordinary Tere 716 00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,560 Migler fantastic, you know that really model Alaia of course, 717 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,880 you know, I mean some you know, there's some really Balma as 718 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,120 well, you know, and there's some really extraordinary. 719 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,520 Yeah, power, proper armours, jackets, aren't they? 720 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:24,360 Yeah, because I think men have Savile Row and that's armour. 721 00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,560 It's absolutely physique. Changing, absolutely, Yeah, 722 00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:29,440 absolutely. And it's in a mindset as well. 723 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,200 Totally, yes. Is Asia consideration of how you 724 00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:34,920 dress? No. 725 00:40:35,240 --> 00:40:38,400 No, I have. I mean, I've never thought. 726 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:43,240 Oh, now I'm at this age, I have to, I have to stop wearing mini. 727 00:40:43,240 --> 00:40:46,120 I have to, I have to dress like more Madame that day. 728 00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:54,200 I think it's more the opposite. You know, maybe as I get older I 729 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:58,160 want to be less Madame. When you are in your 20s, you 730 00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,600 are kind of fun to be grown up and you want to have all these 731 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:04,200 like high heels and, you know, I mean, and then when you are sort 732 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,480 of like getting a bit older and it's like, actually I'm quite 733 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,760 happy in a jumpsuit now and some trainers. 734 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,440 You sort of almost want to be cooler now than you did back 735 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,920 then, I find. Yes yes, and it's kind of 736 00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,200 naturally as well also because you know I'm not life is not 737 00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,520 just actually you're not running around in high heels all day 738 00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:26,240 long Exactly exactly thanks God how do you. 739 00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:30,600 Feel if the fashion industry is actually catering to the silver 740 00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,520 pound. Well, I think frankly, it needs 741 00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:38,440 to be more catered for because I think the the all the pound is 742 00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:42,280 growing and we're still very style conscious. 743 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,880 And I think that kind of is an industry that needs to, you 744 00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:48,960 know, the fashion industry needs to address it more. 745 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,760 I would say so. And rather than just, oh, you 746 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,600 know, have another suit or another jacket because we don't 747 00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,840 want to wear a suit and jacket, yes. 748 00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,520 Is your wardrobe phenomenally organised? 749 00:42:01,240 --> 00:42:06,280 Now that I've moved a bunch of times, it is, it's kind of, I 750 00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,680 tried to color coordinate my wardrobe and I've learned that 751 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:13,360 from my friend Sylvie Chutney, who has an incredible vintage 752 00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,840 store in Paris called Thanks God and my VIP. 753 00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:21,920 And her store is color coordinated down to the tee and 754 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,920 I love it. And it kind of it's a bit of 755 00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,760 like the rainbow, which colour of the rainbow I am in today and 756 00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,800 that kind of mood. Pulls you through just literally 757 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,640 colour coordinated? Or is it colour coordinated in 758 00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:39,040 blouses, trousers, jackets? Well, I mean the shorter ones 759 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:42,640 are together and then the longer garments and one yes. 760 00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:47,040 And then of course I have the the winter gear and ski and all 761 00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,800 of that in separate. Do you ever suffer from too many 762 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:50,840 homes? Itis. 763 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:55,960 Yes, I wish I have. To my son, Laurent Blouse. 764 00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:59,120 I do, and sometimes it's the most frustrating thing when you 765 00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,400 really know what you want to wear and it's in a different 766 00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:05,400 place. His first world problem to have. 767 00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,440 Totally. Would you say you've had a worst 768 00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:12,640 fashion moment? I don't really remember the 769 00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,200 worst fashion moment in the sense that I was dressed 770 00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:19,400 inappropriately. However, what I do remember when 771 00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:24,000 we went to, you know, these sample sales all the time back 772 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,760 in the back in the 20s, they were every 5 minutes was a 773 00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:31,120 sample sale from Manolo Blahnik or I don't know, you know, 774 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,440 Chanel. And so we would Jimmy, too. 775 00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:37,640 So first up, Carmen. So I will go there and buy the 776 00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:41,720 shoes and they were not even my size and they had just made them 777 00:43:41,720 --> 00:43:45,760 fit and they were, you know, I don't know, 37 1/2 and I said 778 00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,040 never fit me in my life, but they fit. 779 00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:52,080 I made them fit just to look good. 780 00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:57,320 Also, I remember even some kind of, you know, Roger Bevier 781 00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,360 shoes, kind of the belly shoe style. 782 00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:04,240 You like super too big. I put tissue paper in the front 783 00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,640 so I could fit. I mean, my toes were all like 784 00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:10,480 buckled up like, you know, but so uncomfortable. 785 00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,640 I did suffer just to have the perfect two. 786 00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,360 I mean, I would never do that again. 787 00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,720 But you know, back then, that's kind of what I did sometimes. 788 00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:20,080 I love that. Yeah. 789 00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,920 Let's talk about travel. You're someone who travels a 790 00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,120 lot. Do you pay particular attention 791 00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:29,440 to your airport? Look, no, because I think it's 792 00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,520 every time you step outside the house, it's kind of you look 793 00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:34,720 outside the house or you look at inside the house. 794 00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:37,440 I don't think about airport dressing in that sense. 795 00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:43,320 Now if it's I always like to put together and I usually wear the 796 00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,480 same make up and the same hair and you know, wherever I got. 797 00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:48,800 Record I've never seen you not put together. 798 00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,520 Thank you. It goes both ways, but that's 799 00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,400 what I'm saying, You know, I'm not really dressing up for the 800 00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:55,800 plane. I think that we used to do this 801 00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,720 in the olden days and now I just want to be comfortable, probably 802 00:44:58,720 --> 00:45:02,400 have like a cashmere, you know, I have my always my eye mask. 803 00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:07,200 I can sleep anywhere, a bit more like this. 804 00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,080 But I always want to look put together. 805 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,960 Yeah. Good Acker, Bad acker. 806 00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:15,840 I think I've become pretty good in packing now. 807 00:45:16,240 --> 00:45:20,360 And your luggage is by who? It's Remova. 808 00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:25,360 It's Remova. It's, I should say Louis Vuitton 809 00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,000 because I do have some old Louis Vuitton cases, but I don't 810 00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:31,400 travel like that anymore. No, I mean I'm, I'm I. 811 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,000 Think I feel a bit embarrassed now. 812 00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:37,040 Beautiful cases that I used to love travelling with and now a 813 00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:41,880 you know they wouldn't arrive on the carousel and B they are 814 00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,040 heavier than your luggage allowance. 815 00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:45,720 Exactly. Exactly. 816 00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:47,000 Why? They make a good piece of 817 00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:48,080 furniture though. Exactly. 818 00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:52,840 Yeah. Do you ever buy new? 819 00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:55,520 Really. Yeah. 820 00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,440 And I'm also, you know, do you remember Tiffany Dark? 821 00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,520 Yes, who? I'm a bit advocate for her sub 822 00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:03,120 stack that she's writing, you know. 823 00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,680 She's 5 new items a year. Yes, something like that. 824 00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:10,680 I have to say she's right. Yeah, she's right in many things 825 00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,400 that she says. And I I tried to do this rule. 826 00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,080 Actually, it's easy to do it sometimes. 827 00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,680 As the woman with a huge wardrobe. 828 00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,000 But that's why I'm saying it's easy for me to say because I 829 00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,120 have now everything. I don't need to buy more, I need 830 00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,320 to shed, shed more. That's it. 831 00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,280 Who on the High Street do you think is doing a good job? 832 00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,680 Well, I do think Zara is doing a good job. 833 00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,840 I'm not a big advocate of fast fashion. 834 00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,360 Yeah, that's my thing. That's why I've never sort of 835 00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,000 worked in High Street and looked at it properly. 836 00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:47,000 I mean, I've, you know, I love the top shop of the, of the, of 837 00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:51,000 the, you know, back in the day. I'm just not a big fan of High 838 00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,600 Street personally. But Zara from all of them I 839 00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:57,680 think is doing a great. Job Guilty Secret Most expensive 840 00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:02,640 item of clothing that you have bought Don't necessarily have to 841 00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:06,200 tell me the price tag. I think it was like my wedding 842 00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:10,880 dress. I mean, maybe not expecting, you 843 00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:12,520 know, but. Who was it by? 844 00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:17,720 Was actually Alba Elba's Oh. Dreamy. 845 00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,840 And was it ready to wear or was? It no, he made it for me. 846 00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:27,080 It was custom and it was it was really, you know, the time when 847 00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:33,000 it did this rhinestones on Tull and it was sort of it was silk, 848 00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:37,920 raw silk Tull and then and had black and white striped 849 00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,760 beautiful bow. It was a super long veil. 850 00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,760 So that you know, he said to me, come and you have to have a 851 00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,880 veil. That's the most romantic thing 852 00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:52,160 and he needs to be long. And so here we go. 853 00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:55,200 He made me this extraordinary veil and the shoes together with 854 00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:58,640 Pete and the whole thing. And this was during his time at 855 00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,200 Saint MO. No, he left salon all the time. 856 00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,880 He was not at salon for very long, but he went to Lanva. 857 00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,600 So he this was. He was at Lanva, but he did not 858 00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,360 have a bridal collection. I think what I was probably his 859 00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:12,160 first or second bride that he did. 860 00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,960 And then I also said to him, I think you should do a bridal 861 00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,560 section and he started bridal sectioning, which went very 862 00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:19,960 well. Inspired by you. 863 00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,800 I'm not quite sure what I was the reason, but you know. 864 00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:25,800 Now I know you're a champion of sustainable fashion. 865 00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:29,200 What do you do with your clothes when you've had enough of them? 866 00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:33,800 I either passed them on to someone that I love and not know 867 00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,600 that wants to cherish it, or I sell it. 868 00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,920 I'll give it away. Which resale platforms do you 869 00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:44,240 find particularly effective? I like this dear collective. 870 00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:49,880 I also like rental platforms like her for instance. 871 00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,600 What is the oldest piece in your wardrobe? 872 00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,400 I think it's for my late, it's for my great grandmother or for, 873 00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,920 you know, for my, you know, heirloom pieces. 874 00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:09,520 I have coats and I have gloves and I have umbrellas. 875 00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,120 I have even these amazing umbrellas that they used to do 876 00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:15,440 in the, in, in last century where you'd, you know, when 877 00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,640 women still had umbrellas and long skirts in Europe and you'd 878 00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:23,760 open up the umbrella and inside you have little roses and. 879 00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,640 Floral motifs and they've. And with you have that, you 880 00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:31,080 know, a leather handle, very sheeple handmade. 881 00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:33,240 And they haven't perished. No. 882 00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:35,520 Wow. That's extraordinary. 883 00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:39,480 I mean, I do not to tell. I do not tend to have used them 884 00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,680 now. And probably not open them up 885 00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:42,920 too much. Correct. 886 00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,160 But you know, I mean, they're actually museum pieces. 887 00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,720 But yes, I do have those and then gloves because it was a 888 00:49:47,720 --> 00:49:50,680 time when ladies would wear gloves, right? 889 00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:54,880 I mean, when when my my late grandmother passed, she had so 890 00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:56,640 many gloves and the matching hats and. 891 00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:00,520 People don't mind too, but I, I looked at them the other day 892 00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:01,800 because I was doing a big turn out. 893 00:50:03,240 --> 00:50:08,600 My, my grandmother's hands were minute, so narrow, so narrow. 894 00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,720 I mean, I, I thought, OK, I'll just slide this on. 895 00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,440 Oh no. And I don't have big hands, but 896 00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:18,400 my God, they had such slender. Their whole body if you look at 897 00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,360 the beds, if you go to museums and you look at the beds and the 898 00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,360 and the the living rooms, I mean everything is so tiny. 899 00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:27,600 It's like almost for a child. It's just body size has changed 900 00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:28,920 over the years. So what we? 901 00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:29,800 Eat. So true. 902 00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,280 Modified food. Different genes. 903 00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,840 Let's spin on some quick fire questions, fashion advice that 904 00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:38,800 you'd give your 20 year old self. 905 00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:43,440 Just be confident and authentic to yourself. 906 00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:48,160 Fashion trend or era that you'd most like to see make a 907 00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:51,240 comeback? 60s and 70s. 908 00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:56,920 Fashion or beauty trend that you would consign to room one O 1 909 00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:02,560 Crocs? Well, that was my next question. 910 00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,880 I mean, I don't know how you even can walk in those things. 911 00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:12,320 Your last impulse buy? Probably another pair of my 912 00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:17,120 earrings because I do collect these earrings and these are, 913 00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:21,120 these are called Sun Ray Earrings by Bellmax. 914 00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:25,400 And she has a gallery just opposite Clarities and which has 915 00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:29,280 the most extraordinary jewelry. She does also art and sculpture. 916 00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:30,640 It comes from a sculpture background. 917 00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:34,240 I've been collecting these for so many years and because they 918 00:51:34,240 --> 00:51:36,840 remind me of marbles. Yes, yeah. 919 00:51:37,240 --> 00:51:39,640 And some of them are semi precious stones, some of them 920 00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:43,200 are vintage pearls. And yeah, it's dangerous to go 921 00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:47,440 there. Your views on tattoos. 922 00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:53,120 I don't judge people. I prefer to be neutral. 923 00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:55,920 Beauty treatment You couldn't give up. 924 00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:05,240 Massage high end or High Street? High end, darling Bling or bare 925 00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:09,600 bling? Minimalism or maximalism? 926 00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:14,480 Maximalism, Couture or charity shop Both. 927 00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:16,960 Crocs. Cute or puke? 928 00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:28,040 No absolutely puke Sneakers or stilettos, base bags or shoes. 929 00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:31,080 I can't. I need pace. 930 00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:40,720 Boyfriends or wide legs, Wide leg, Bodycon or boho, boho, 931 00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:46,280 sports, Lux or rock chick? Rock chick, Red carpet or relax 932 00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:49,600 Red carpet? Trend or style? 933 00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:53,720 Style, colour or monochrome? Why? 934 00:52:53,720 --> 00:52:55,960 That's a difficult one because I like base. 935 00:52:56,640 --> 00:53:02,160 Experimental or uniform Experimental cashmere or cotton 936 00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:13,600 cashmere, Trilby or Tracy. Tracy order or editor card base. 937 00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:19,360 Charity shop or resale base. Shapewear or sexy lingerie? 938 00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:22,360 Sexy. Lingerie, tights, stockings or 939 00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:28,760 hold UPS. Combination bikini or one piece 940 00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,840 bikini? And finally, traditional last 941 00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,520 question at the end of the day, what do you or don't you wear in 942 00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:38,880 bed? Wow, my own skin. 943 00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:45,000 Love that Carmen, thank you so much. 944 00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:49,480 So so much for having me. To go on this style journey with 945 00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:51,120 you. I would ask you all these 946 00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:52,040 questions now.