1 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:13,300 Today I'm going on a sartorial Journey with the beast from 2 00:00:13,300 --> 00:00:18,000 dagenham East, better known as hell of a day, an English drag 3 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:21,700 queen actor and Dancer who competed on the third series of 4 00:00:21,700 --> 00:00:26,000 RuPaul's Drag Race. You came I am in or of what I 5 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:29,000 see in front of doing. Welcome. 6 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:30,500 Oh my God, thanks. Q. 7 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,900 I'm absolutely transfixed by the hair. 8 00:00:33,900 --> 00:00:36,200 The makeup the body? Yeah. 9 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:38,900 The everything is just, it's a lot, isn't it? 10 00:00:38,900 --> 00:00:43,900 It's a little but it's amazing. And it's really you're just 11 00:00:43,900 --> 00:00:46,500 really drawn into it. It's very magnetic. 12 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:49,200 It takes, you know, takes me a hot hour to get into it. 13 00:00:49,500 --> 00:00:51,600 And, you know, it used to take me ages actually. 14 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:54,400 Yeah. Like, I'm so quick now because I 15 00:00:54,408 --> 00:00:57,700 know how to do my face so I literally just pound it in the 16 00:00:57,700 --> 00:01:01,200 makeup, shove it on my face. And then Always ends up fine. 17 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:03,800 But people always think how long's that take you in like, 18 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:07,300 half an hour babe? Oh my God, I know a lot of women 19 00:01:07,300 --> 00:01:10,300 who would be very jealous of all of that, but I'm going to just 20 00:01:10,900 --> 00:01:13,700 track back to start with and then we're going to get on to 21 00:01:13,700 --> 00:01:16,200 the full hair makeup, body everything. 22 00:01:16,500 --> 00:01:19,800 But what was your earliest sartorial memory? 23 00:01:20,700 --> 00:01:24,900 Gosh, you know, I don't know, as a, as a kid, there was so many 24 00:01:24,900 --> 00:01:28,200 different Trends growing up. So I'm 34 now and there's the 25 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:29,800 skater boy. I mean, I'm talking like me. 26 00:01:29,900 --> 00:01:31,700 Me as a boy. Yeah, because I've done it on 27 00:01:31,700 --> 00:01:35,000 drag for three years. Yeah, me as a boy, there was a 28 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:39,600 skater boy bit where you had to wear a baggy jeans and your to 29 00:01:39,607 --> 00:01:42,800 have chain from pocket to pocket and huge shoes. 30 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:46,100 And I can't, I can't skate. I was going to ignore. 31 00:01:46,100 --> 00:01:48,400 No, not at all. I just wanted to fit in. 32 00:01:48,700 --> 00:01:51,800 So like I would go to. I couldn't afford the expensive 33 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,600 shoes, everyone had like the proper skate boys shoes. 34 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:57,800 So I got the cheap shoes from shoes own and just bought them a 35 00:01:57,808 --> 00:01:59,800 couple of sizes bigger. So they were bigger. 36 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:05,300 Just to fit in because as a kid, I didn't really fit into any any 37 00:02:05,700 --> 00:02:09,199 groups of friends at school because I always dance and stuff 38 00:02:09,199 --> 00:02:14,100 and I wasn't a gay kid, but like the girls were really boring. 39 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:17,700 The boys are either really geeky or sporty or boring. 40 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,100 So I just sort of sat in the middle just like fleeting around 41 00:02:21,100 --> 00:02:24,500 everyone and this was in Essex. No. 42 00:02:24,500 --> 00:02:26,500 So I grew up in Suffolk. Yes. 43 00:02:26,500 --> 00:02:29,800 I was born in Essex, grew up in the countryside in a stick. 44 00:02:29,900 --> 00:02:33,400 It's like in between it's which our knowledge so it's kind of 45 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:36,100 like there's not much to do there so you kind of just have 46 00:02:36,100 --> 00:02:41,600 to fit in where you can and then do you remember when you felt 47 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:46,900 the clothes that the whole feeling of wanting to dress up 48 00:02:46,900 --> 00:02:48,800 further than that? Do you remember when that 49 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:53,100 started early when there is, you know, in my twenties like when I 50 00:02:53,100 --> 00:02:55,600 worked in the West End always had to dress up nicely. 51 00:02:55,900 --> 00:02:59,500 I mean I must say, I spend most of my time just in trackies and 52 00:02:59,500 --> 00:03:01,200 vest. Because I've been a dancer most 53 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:05,000 of my life, my whole life is mainly just Comfort, but then in 54 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,400 terms of drag, you know, I got into drag when I was about 30. 55 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:10,400 What was the moment that you thought? 56 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:14,700 I'll just try drag. It was when I was in The Book of 57 00:03:14,700 --> 00:03:18,500 Mormon. And we did there was like a 58 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:22,400 charity show that they did every year called mad, drag night and 59 00:03:22,408 --> 00:03:24,100 they're like, do you want to come and do it? 60 00:03:24,100 --> 00:03:26,300 I was like, yes, because I'd seen it that the week. 61 00:03:26,300 --> 00:03:29,100 They had seen it the year before, and I really wanted to 62 00:03:29,100 --> 00:03:31,100 do it. But no one has asked me to do 63 00:03:31,100 --> 00:03:32,400 it. So when I got asked to do, I 64 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:34,700 jumped at it and I was like, yeah, I want to try it. 65 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,700 And so, did you create your own outfit for that? 66 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:40,800 I think I just wore something from like a sauce or boohoo. 67 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:43,800 Just something stretchy that would fit me because it's really 68 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:48,600 hard to buy clothes in the right size but we have to talk about 69 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,500 the creation of the body. Yeah. 70 00:03:51,500 --> 00:03:55,800 Because I'm looking at you now and you've got these amazing 71 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:59,800 buzzes tiny waist the beautiful curvaceous. 72 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:04,100 Oops, can you just talk me through the whole process? 73 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:08,300 Well, because I out of drag, like, I go to the gym and I've 74 00:04:08,300 --> 00:04:10,400 got, you know, I've got like big arms and stuff. 75 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,700 I had to like, in drag terms, it's called proportion eyes 76 00:04:14,100 --> 00:04:17,100 where you like literally, you know, I needed to have a bigger 77 00:04:17,100 --> 00:04:20,100 hit, a bigger boob to kind of make everything make sense. 78 00:04:20,100 --> 00:04:22,100 I've bigger hair. Yeah, because otherwise if I 79 00:04:22,100 --> 00:04:25,200 will flat hair and had no hips, I just look a bit odd. 80 00:04:25,500 --> 00:04:28,900 So it kind of it took me a while to kind of develop my style and 81 00:04:28,900 --> 00:04:31,900 to find the right course Sit like this is just my socks in my 82 00:04:31,900 --> 00:04:38,800 bra. No, yeah, but I still have my 83 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:42,300 socks in my bra, and yeah, it just takes a while to develop it 84 00:04:42,308 --> 00:04:45,600 and I always wanted to be like this curvaceous, you know, 85 00:04:45,700 --> 00:04:48,900 sensual woman, which is completely different to me out 86 00:04:48,900 --> 00:04:52,000 of drag inspired by a particular woman. 87 00:04:52,100 --> 00:04:56,000 Not really just just like curvaceous, gorgeous women like 88 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:59,100 thinking of, you know, Marilyn Monroe and like more of the 89 00:04:59,100 --> 00:05:02,400 modern People that just Embrace their bodies. 90 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:06,400 Like, I'm not a skinny boy, so I could never be one of these. 91 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:08,800 Hmm. You know, wafer-thin drag 92 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:10,100 queens, that was not gonna happen. 93 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:12,000 What's your mother looked like, Mike? 94 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:13,200 What? Here's a funny story. 95 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:16,200 My sister. Tried on my drag stuff and she 96 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:19,700 has this body. So I yeah, I basically. 97 00:05:19,700 --> 00:05:22,600 So, without all the course at the course, it onto my sister. 98 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:23,900 Yeah. She has the hips. 99 00:05:23,900 --> 00:05:27,400 She has the boobs. She looked like me in drag so I 100 00:05:27,407 --> 00:05:29,800 basically pad and change my body. 101 00:05:29,900 --> 00:05:33,400 ADI to be like my sister. But she's such fascinating, 102 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:35,500 though, that really is and but your mother doesn't look 103 00:05:35,500 --> 00:05:39,100 anything like my mom looks like me facially and she's always 104 00:05:39,100 --> 00:05:41,200 been a slightly curved Ebert. Yeah. 105 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:44,300 Notnot like this obviously this is a heightened version. 106 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:49,700 And is this a specific corset that you you know is it a drag 107 00:05:49,700 --> 00:05:50,800 corset? No, no. 108 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:52,100 This is of course anyone can buy. 109 00:05:52,100 --> 00:05:55,400 It's a cupped course it because I sing live normally, my sets, 110 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,500 it kind of Curves under my ribs so I can still free your 111 00:05:58,500 --> 00:05:59,600 diaphragm. Yeah. 112 00:05:59,900 --> 00:06:02,200 In dresses for performers in the park. 113 00:06:02,300 --> 00:06:05,300 Yes, I can actually breathe. Yes, that's why, it's, it's 114 00:06:05,300 --> 00:06:08,800 reasonably comfortable. And so, you've got a bra on. 115 00:06:08,900 --> 00:06:11,700 I've got a bra, which is padded, and then some socks. 116 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:20,000 Okay, so, on all the pictures of drag artist, I see everyone has 117 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:23,400 the most beautiful cleavage, okay, so that's how dress play. 118 00:06:23,500 --> 00:06:25,800 Okay, yeah, so that's like a silicon. 119 00:06:25,900 --> 00:06:28,800 I don't wear them anymore. So sweaty and gross and to they 120 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:32,600 literally stick onto Yes, so you put it on like a vest and it 121 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:36,100 kind of either cuts at your kind of neck or like high neck. 122 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:37,900 Yeah. Then you have C have to cover up 123 00:06:37,900 --> 00:06:39,500 with a choker and stuff. So that's how you get the 124 00:06:39,500 --> 00:06:42,300 illusion of female breasts. Yeah. 125 00:06:42,300 --> 00:06:44,400 If they are so sweaty because you can't breathe through it. 126 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:48,100 So like latex, literally. So I've kind of cut that from my 127 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:50,600 so hence the long sleeves and the high neck. 128 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:52,500 Yes. I'll even when I like a low cut 129 00:06:52,500 --> 00:06:56,800 with no, you know, breastplate and just padded bra, just it's 130 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,700 comfier. You're an Uber fit man. 131 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:03,100 She said, try to be try to calm down a bit. 132 00:07:03,300 --> 00:07:05,700 Yeah, well you've been on the road for God knows how long. 133 00:07:06,100 --> 00:07:11,100 But then so you've got a great chest and then you enhance that 134 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:15,900 just fascinated anatomically, how this gets put together 135 00:07:15,900 --> 00:07:19,900 sometimes if it is like a lower car, you can actually sort of 136 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:23,600 stuff, something in there, and then pull out your right Peck to 137 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:27,000 make it look like, you've got the lifts and separates not got 138 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,800 much tissue there to play with become sort of show. 139 00:07:29,900 --> 00:07:33,500 Chuckling yeah, cheers. You can shove it in directions 140 00:07:33,500 --> 00:07:36,800 where it's not meant to be. So then you've got the corset 141 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:40,000 but then we've got to talk about the hip. 142 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:45,000 Yeah, the bits. And yeah so the hips you're in, 143 00:07:45,300 --> 00:07:49,500 you've got this beautiful hourglass body but I'm looking 144 00:07:49,500 --> 00:07:53,900 at is it pads which I make myself out of high density foam, 145 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:59,000 and he basically kind of goes from my sort of waste right down 146 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:03,600 to like my I knee almost and it shapes like Africa like this 147 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:07,700 that goes around my bum and a leg and I carve it to the right 148 00:08:07,700 --> 00:08:10,200 shape. So you you're sculpting your own 149 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:10,800 body? Yeah. 150 00:08:10,900 --> 00:08:13,200 They always have and people go. Why don't just buy them and like 151 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,200 because they won't be exactly my size. 152 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:17,900 I love that. I love that. 153 00:08:17,900 --> 00:08:20,300 I mean, you really, I take charge of everything. 154 00:08:20,300 --> 00:08:24,000 I'm too much of a control freak to let someone, you know, do it. 155 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:27,700 But also everyone's I know, I can't imagine that an off the 156 00:08:27,700 --> 00:08:30,100 peg. Bit of padding, you're going to 157 00:08:30,100 --> 00:08:31,900 be as good. Exactly someone. 158 00:08:31,900 --> 00:08:35,900 And and as a very physical person who works there body, you 159 00:08:35,900 --> 00:08:38,500 know, your body back to front, exactly. 160 00:08:38,500 --> 00:08:41,000 I'm still tweaking them, I'm still making them, right? 161 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,500 And sometimes people are like, can you make me some hip pads? 162 00:08:43,500 --> 00:08:46,600 I'm like, no. Just because it's so boring. 163 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,600 I hate doing it but at the same time I can't let someone else do 164 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:51,100 it. Have you studied? 165 00:08:51,100 --> 00:08:54,400 Kim Kardashian's body. No but I mean if I could get my 166 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:58,000 waist a bit smaller I think I wouldn't be far off I think 167 00:08:58,100 --> 00:09:01,100 having Seen her in the flesh, I'd say you're pretty. 168 00:09:01,100 --> 00:09:04,100 Yeah. I mean, her body is insane, 169 00:09:04,100 --> 00:09:08,600 isn't it like that's, you know, very drag actually to have a 170 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:10,400 body that is like Jessica Rabbit. 171 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:13,700 It really is. Yes, I remember seeing her at an 172 00:09:13,700 --> 00:09:17,600 event and finding very difficult to take my eyes off about him. 173 00:09:17,700 --> 00:09:19,100 Yeah. Because she was in quite a sheer 174 00:09:19,100 --> 00:09:22,800 dress and that bottom, there's an incredible extraordinary. 175 00:09:22,900 --> 00:09:24,100 Yes. Okay. 176 00:09:24,100 --> 00:09:28,500 Can I ask about the bits? Yes, you can. 177 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:30,100 You gonna make me ask, aren't you? 178 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:34,500 What happens? Well, lots of people don't like 179 00:09:34,500 --> 00:09:37,200 speaking about what they do their bits, but basically, just 180 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:40,500 have to put it up where it came from and jam it in. 181 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:42,800 That's as much as needs to be said, fine. 182 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:47,600 OK, we'll, we'll leave it at that and then you've got these 183 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:51,200 incredible tights on. Yeah, so it's it depends. 184 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:54,100 What the outfit is. I think right now, I've probably 185 00:09:54,100 --> 00:09:57,700 got about four or five pairs of dance tights, you're joking. 186 00:09:57,700 --> 00:10:01,700 So sometimes my feet gets so bound up in my shoes that I 187 00:10:01,700 --> 00:10:04,300 literally have to, like, pull out the tights joke. 188 00:10:04,300 --> 00:10:07,000 Have you ever had that sense? Yes, I've had that say, yeah. 189 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,600 So like talking to a woman. Yeah, I never know if women 190 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:13,000 where multiple pairs like seven pairs of tights. 191 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,100 Probably isn't normal. Well, do you know what? 192 00:10:15,100 --> 00:10:19,000 Back in the 80s, we used to layer our tights. 193 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:22,000 And so I remember that. Well and then all the funny. 194 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:25,100 So this, you know, drag is such an uncomfortable thing to 195 00:10:25,100 --> 00:10:27,600 actually do when you've got a wig on, sometimes the wigs are 196 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,700 so heavy your heads. Pulled back got cool stunts, you 197 00:10:30,700 --> 00:10:34,600 almost like forced forward your feet at a bound up in your shoes 198 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:38,200 which are high and yeah it's it's something else sometimes I 199 00:10:38,208 --> 00:10:41,800 was going to say what's the longest time you're actually in 200 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,500 costume. There was one time I was in an 201 00:10:44,500 --> 00:10:47,400 outfit which was a shoe inside of the outfit. 202 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:50,400 So I can actually take my shoes up for. 203 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:55,100 I think it must have been about 13 hours so I was when I took my 204 00:10:55,100 --> 00:10:57,600 shoes off, I could not. I couldn't walk. 205 00:10:57,900 --> 00:11:00,100 Yeah. It depends what the event is. 206 00:11:00,100 --> 00:11:03,300 Sometimes if you're at an award ceremony or just sat around in 207 00:11:03,300 --> 00:11:05,700 it and almost that's more uncomfortable, because you're 208 00:11:05,700 --> 00:11:08,500 just, yes, stationary or if you're in a taxi, it's 209 00:11:08,500 --> 00:11:10,700 uncomfortable when you're moving, it's fine. 210 00:11:10,900 --> 00:11:14,500 What does your partner think of you in drag? 211 00:11:14,500 --> 00:11:19,400 Does he look at you and go? I I'm in love with a man, not a 212 00:11:19,408 --> 00:11:21,700 woman. He I know I've asked you this 213 00:11:21,700 --> 00:11:24,800 before and he's just not bothered, you know, I think over 214 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:28,000 the years we've been together like 11 and a half years. 215 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:30,400 I've done every job under the sun. 216 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:33,600 Like I've walked dressed as a pig through Central London. 217 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:37,600 You know, he's not a phase, my family and not face when I said 218 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,700 I'm going to do track and honestly I don't think he cares. 219 00:11:41,100 --> 00:11:44,900 He came to Australia. I did like a headlined a tour in 220 00:11:44,900 --> 00:11:47,400 Australia and he came and was my assistant. 221 00:11:47,500 --> 00:11:49,800 Like he got to come to Australia with me. 222 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:53,000 Dressed like this for a couple hours because that's all it is. 223 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:54,700 I don't live like this. Yeah. 224 00:11:54,900 --> 00:11:57,900 I put it on my go to work and I can come home and take it off. 225 00:11:57,900 --> 00:11:59,700 Yeah. IMA when you're transforming 226 00:11:59,700 --> 00:12:05,000 yourself from Nick to Ellen. Do you start with the body or 227 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:08,200 the makeup or the hair? But I'll shave my hair. 228 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:09,900 First, I've shaved my beard shave. 229 00:12:09,900 --> 00:12:11,800 My pits shave my chest. Yes. 230 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:15,600 Because your skin looks just like a woman's skin. 231 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:17,200 It does it beautiful. It's good. 232 00:12:17,500 --> 00:12:20,000 Absolutely, lovely. So you give a good shave have to 233 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:24,100 have a close, like razor shave my eyebrows eyebrows, I have to 234 00:12:24,100 --> 00:12:25,800 cover. Yes, glue. 235 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:28,700 And then, you know, carry on beards color. 236 00:12:28,700 --> 00:12:30,300 Correct. So, always the face. 237 00:12:30,300 --> 00:12:35,400 First that takes the longest to try and cover up the man and who 238 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:38,900 taught you? This taught myself and then from 239 00:12:38,900 --> 00:12:41,100 like YouTube and was it just trial and error? 240 00:12:41,100 --> 00:12:41,800 Yeah. Very much. 241 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:46,900 So and do you use like stage makeup, or did you? 242 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:50,000 Yeah. Yes, it's stage maker like, you 243 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:53,700 know, like the pan sticks but yeah, thick makeup and blend it 244 00:12:53,700 --> 00:12:56,000 all in. Obviously got your highlighter, 245 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:59,800 your Contour, your blush. Like there's so much goes on the 246 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:02,700 amount of products have got. And I've actually learned over 247 00:13:02,700 --> 00:13:06,200 the years when I started I looked awful I look rotten and 248 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:09,000 then even watching myself back on drag race, that taught me a 249 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:12,600 lot as well to change things up to make my eyes darker. 250 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,700 Because when I went on Drag Race, For example, I'd only been 251 00:13:15,700 --> 00:13:18,400 doing drag for like two years. One of those years was a 252 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:20,800 lockdown so I was very new to it. 253 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,100 I think it really steep learning curve going on. 254 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:26,700 Yes, drag race. Because I mean you had to learn 255 00:13:26,700 --> 00:13:28,000 how to sew. Hmm. 256 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:29,900 Yeah. I mean, taught me through the 257 00:13:30,500 --> 00:13:33,700 drag race experience. I mean that's, that's a long 258 00:13:33,700 --> 00:13:37,500 story, but the sewing bit of it. Like, I asked, I wanted to land 259 00:13:37,500 --> 00:13:39,700 so anyway, because I'm one of those people I like to learn how 260 00:13:39,700 --> 00:13:41,300 to do everything myself, you might have guessed that. 261 00:13:41,300 --> 00:13:44,200 Well yes, I'm guessing that because it's an incredibly the 262 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:46,700 even the makeup is an incredibly creative. 263 00:13:46,700 --> 00:13:49,400 Yo, sir, Yeah. And I to be honest, the reason I 264 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:53,300 kind of got into drag, I'd been doing West End, you know, 265 00:13:53,300 --> 00:13:56,400 theater shows for probably about 10 12 years. 266 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,600 I was getting a bit bored so I wanted something new creative to 267 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,600 do so like learning make up with something where I could just do 268 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:04,500 it on myself and I was always good at art as a kid. 269 00:14:04,500 --> 00:14:07,300 So I asked for a sewing machine for Christmas. 270 00:14:07,300 --> 00:14:08,600 Yeah. From my brother and sister 271 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,500 because you know, at Christmas, I never know what to ask for. 272 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:15,000 And so I got this so machine. I bought some patterns tried to 273 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,300 make stuff and it didn't go well. 274 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:20,300 But then I I tried something really simple and it worked. 275 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:23,000 I was like, yeah, I made this to watch a few gigs. 276 00:14:23,500 --> 00:14:27,500 So by the time like drag race happened, I knew how to sew. 277 00:14:27,500 --> 00:14:31,900 I knew how to do a machine and you good with applying your 278 00:14:31,900 --> 00:14:34,400 Swarovski Crystals. That's that's quite easy. 279 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:38,000 Just dot, dot dot stamp. Amount of yeah, more is more. 280 00:14:38,100 --> 00:14:43,000 Exactly always of drag. So when you're creating a 281 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:47,200 Persona like, you're famous Nigella Verde, I'd love that. 282 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,700 You know, from the, the snatch game, do you have a picture of 283 00:14:52,700 --> 00:14:56,100 Nigella in front of you? How does that? 284 00:14:56,100 --> 00:15:01,900 Because to go from you to a specific Persona, that's a real 285 00:15:01,900 --> 00:15:04,900 art. Yeah, I mean on the show I was 286 00:15:04,900 --> 00:15:08,400 going to do Mystic Meg and then I changed last minute so I had 287 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:13,800 no not very similar makeup. I don't think I just, I went 288 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:16,500 from what I could remember if Nigella which was a bit more of 289 00:15:16,500 --> 00:15:21,000 a simple eye, I like just eyeliner just slightly darker 290 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:24,600 smaller eyebrows and had to quickly style that wig as well, 291 00:15:24,900 --> 00:15:26,700 for that. It was it was manic. 292 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:27,900 I didn't know what was going to do. 293 00:15:28,300 --> 00:15:28,800 See. Yeah, I do. 294 00:15:28,900 --> 00:15:30,900 Did you have a picture of her in front of no picture? 295 00:15:30,900 --> 00:15:33,600 I just said in your brain? Yeah, just doing my makeup but I 296 00:15:33,608 --> 00:15:37,500 tried to do it how a natural woman might do it rather than 297 00:15:37,500 --> 00:15:41,200 what my drag look would be. Wow. 298 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:43,000 Yeah. Tips for pulling off an 299 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:46,000 impression. No, just go for it. 300 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:49,000 I mean that with my I had to do it for my audition tape. 301 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:53,700 So I'd already kind of thought about it and obviously with 302 00:15:53,700 --> 00:15:58,200 Nigella just put on quotas seductive deeper, but quite Posh 303 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:00,300 voice. Yes, she's that is lovely. 304 00:16:00,300 --> 00:16:01,500 I love that. Wonderful. 305 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:06,100 So yeah, I'm driving of such as celebratory art form. 306 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:12,100 It's really a no Maj to women. What was there? 307 00:16:12,100 --> 00:16:16,200 A specific woman that inspired you to create Ella? 308 00:16:17,100 --> 00:16:19,600 No. No, I think it's funny in life. 309 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:21,300 I never have like specific people. 310 00:16:21,300 --> 00:16:24,500 I mean my mum is an incredible woman I would don't think 311 00:16:24,500 --> 00:16:27,200 Ella's. Maybe she is maybe Ella is like 312 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:30,500 my mum, my mom's like so outgoing and and we'll talk to 313 00:16:30,500 --> 00:16:32,800 anyone in his funny and beautiful. 314 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:36,600 So maybe this is me being a bit of my mum. 315 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:39,800 Yeah, because she's amazing. How did you come up with the 316 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,200 name? Well, I used to call myself a 317 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:46,800 love a Nash because my big bum but then people thought I was 318 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:49,600 saying l. An ass but that's it would be 319 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:54,400 nine is elephant ass. So I just thought Elevate day is 320 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:57,800 a bit more British and a bit more me because I only I'm so 321 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:00,200 dry as a person. I'm so sarcastic. 322 00:17:00,500 --> 00:17:04,000 So like if if I'd go into the into the fit and be like, how 323 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:05,700 you doing? You're right and I'll be like a 324 00:17:05,700 --> 00:17:08,500 telephoto donít talk about it or like, you know, when someone 325 00:17:08,500 --> 00:17:16,300 asks you what you had for lunch, I'd be like any business so that 326 00:17:16,300 --> 00:17:19,099 just kind of it just kind of came and it stuck would you say 327 00:17:19,099 --> 00:17:22,500 you have a drag type? I mean, I'm definitely within 328 00:17:22,500 --> 00:17:30,000 like the Glamorous MILF genre. I mean I sing live so I'm kind 329 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:34,800 of I sit with him the Cabaret theater e bit of drag rather 330 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:38,200 than the lip syncing, you know throwing myself around a club 331 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:41,200 because I'm too old for that. So yeah, I don't know I kind of 332 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:44,600 but that must be lovely because actually you're layering another 333 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:48,900 skill. Yeah onto Quite a multitude of 334 00:17:48,900 --> 00:17:49,900 skills. Anyhow. 335 00:17:49,900 --> 00:17:53,400 Yeah, it's taking what I've always done and just moving it 336 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:55,900 into this new kind of putting it on steroids. 337 00:17:55,900 --> 00:17:57,500 Yeah. But no steroids in a wig. 338 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:01,000 Do you have a dog? I do. 339 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:04,100 Yeah. Is your dog react to you being 340 00:18:04,100 --> 00:18:07,900 in drag hates it? It's so interesting because I 341 00:18:07,900 --> 00:18:10,100 was staying years ago, I was staying with some friends in the 342 00:18:10,100 --> 00:18:15,500 country and had my dog with me. I was single at the time and, 343 00:18:15,500 --> 00:18:19,400 you know, lovely friends. And he had two of them came 344 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:21,300 downstairs at dinner? Yeah. 345 00:18:21,300 --> 00:18:22,600 In full drag. Yeah. 346 00:18:22,700 --> 00:18:25,200 My dog. Who had been with them all day 347 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,600 went completely Bonkers. Yeah. 348 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:29,700 I mean, really did not find it funny. 349 00:18:29,900 --> 00:18:32,900 You know, she was smelling them. She knew who they were but she's 350 00:18:32,900 --> 00:18:35,600 got it was really not funny. He finds it so real, I took him 351 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:39,800 to the people's pet Awards and he couldn't stand to be with me 352 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:45,200 like he honesty and what I think sometimes when I'm getting into 353 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:48,700 drag ice cream and I throw things around, I'm too hot, all 354 00:18:48,700 --> 00:18:51,200 that kick. And I think your socio is that 355 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,200 with elephant day. So, whenever I come downstairs, 356 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:57,000 he's like looking at me. Like, who the hell are you keep 357 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,100 away from me? She's gonna be moody and then I 358 00:18:59,100 --> 00:19:01,500 tried to take you on a red carpet and all the pictures. 359 00:19:01,500 --> 00:19:03,800 He's like trying to get away. I'm picking him up. 360 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:07,000 He's like, now it was a bit of a nightmare bless him. 361 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:12,200 I'm do you feel that having an alter ego helps you express 362 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:15,200 yourself better? I would have said no, but I 363 00:19:15,208 --> 00:19:19,300 think yes, I think it does. Make you it. 364 00:19:19,300 --> 00:19:22,800 People look at you and react you so much differently to like, 365 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:25,600 when I'm out of drag and I kind of love the fact that that 366 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:29,800 happens as well. I think it definitely makes I 367 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:33,500 think L of a day is definitely more confident because I would 368 00:19:33,500 --> 00:19:37,000 never as Nick go to a bar and sing a couple of songs and get 369 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,500 people, you know, despite being a performer. 370 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:43,600 Yeah, I hate karaoke, but I know that L of a day would run a 371 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:47,100 karaoke and sing every song you could because I hate it. 372 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:48,700 She's such a great woman. Yeah. 373 00:19:48,700 --> 00:19:52,500 Like Nick would have to be drunk to do karaoke because I hate 374 00:19:52,500 --> 00:19:53,800 that. I hate the attention. 375 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:59,000 So is your drag a form of armor? Oh, definitely I think for a lot 376 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:03,000 of people drag is their armor. Just like, you know, fashion is 377 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:09,900 just like makeup is drag is literally a whole coating of 378 00:20:09,900 --> 00:20:11,600 armor, isn't it? Yeah, head to toe. 379 00:20:11,700 --> 00:20:15,000 Yeah, don't look like the same person and you really don't know 380 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:16,900 because I've seen pictures of you. 381 00:20:17,300 --> 00:20:20,900 Out of drag and now meeting you today in drag. 382 00:20:20,900 --> 00:20:23,600 Yeah, I've say, you are extraordinarily beautiful, 383 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:28,700 really beautiful, turning to drag race. 384 00:20:29,100 --> 00:20:31,700 What was the selection process? Like, because that happen quite 385 00:20:31,700 --> 00:20:33,300 quickly for you, didn't it? Yeah. 386 00:20:33,300 --> 00:20:38,200 So obviously have to do an audition tape, which you submit. 387 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,300 They kind of tell you what you need to do for it. 388 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,500 You send it off. I'd actually they kind of chased 389 00:20:43,500 --> 00:20:46,500 me for season 2 to do a video and I didn't do it because I've 390 00:20:46,508 --> 00:20:49,000 got hair spray. In town, I was like, I've got 391 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:52,800 the job, I want to do. So I kind of I sent off for 392 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,000 season 3 thinking, hey, maybe they're interested. 393 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:56,500 So I'll get it in really quickly. 394 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:58,500 I was really happy with what I did to my video. 395 00:20:58,500 --> 00:21:00,500 What did you do? You just have to, like, 396 00:21:00,500 --> 00:21:06,600 literally do lip sync and you have to do to snatch games, and 397 00:21:06,900 --> 00:21:09,800 show off your different looks. And I was very basic still, but 398 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:11,600 I knew I'd put together a good video. 399 00:21:12,100 --> 00:21:14,100 We're in lockdown. And, as I said, you know what, 400 00:21:14,300 --> 00:21:16,500 nothing to lose. Yeah, I'll do what I want. 401 00:21:16,500 --> 00:21:19,300 Yeah. So I submitted it and I thought, 402 00:21:19,300 --> 00:21:21,000 right? I'm going to get together all 403 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:22,800 the designers. I would use all the wig people 404 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,800 just in case, just kind of had a feeling. 405 00:21:25,900 --> 00:21:28,800 Yes, of Modell's, I've Got a Feeling do you. 406 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:33,100 You must have quite a hell of a wardrobe now mmm-hmm. 407 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,800 Yeah. And the Wardrobe of weeks. 408 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,400 How many weeks do you have any money at the moment? 409 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,900 I've got like, one section of wigs that are just so rubbish 410 00:21:41,900 --> 00:21:44,400 that they're just kind of shoved in and we need to get rid of 411 00:21:44,408 --> 00:21:47,000 them and then just like this is a new one. 412 00:21:47,300 --> 00:21:51,300 Other new ones because there is there is a pressure to keep up 413 00:21:51,700 --> 00:21:54,200 looking good, you know. But I knew the new yeah. 414 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:58,300 So like every red carpet I've done in the last couple of weeks 415 00:21:58,300 --> 00:22:00,300 has been like a new wig, a new outfit. 416 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,300 So you do build up a lot of server. 417 00:22:03,300 --> 00:22:07,500 Rent, can you rent? I can't really rank because of, 418 00:22:07,500 --> 00:22:10,300 because of the proportion. Yeah, interest and it's hard to 419 00:22:10,300 --> 00:22:13,100 buy from shops as well. So I find it particularly 420 00:22:13,100 --> 00:22:16,200 difficult because my measurements are not normal. 421 00:22:16,300 --> 00:22:18,300 Thank goodness for that. That sewing machine. 422 00:22:19,100 --> 00:22:23,200 What's been your favorite drag? Look to date for you. 423 00:22:24,900 --> 00:22:26,800 I've had loads. I really loved. 424 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:30,900 I think my most recent one that I wore to the pride of Britain 425 00:22:31,100 --> 00:22:34,400 was this like gorgeous light metallic gown sort of that 426 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:35,800 gathered. And I think that just look 427 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,900 really nice on me. That was Classic Hollywood. 428 00:22:38,900 --> 00:22:42,200 Yeah, to me felt like I felt like a million dollars. 429 00:22:42,500 --> 00:22:45,300 And then on the show, I wore an outfit which was like a 430 00:22:45,308 --> 00:22:48,700 watermelon sort of themed out. It and it's ready camp. 431 00:22:48,700 --> 00:22:51,700 And it's really like Ella, it's like, shut the big boobs and 432 00:22:51,708 --> 00:22:53,600 like cut outs on her legs and stuff. 433 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:57,800 And that was really my car. My guilty secret is I loved you 434 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:02,200 as a Mel C. I just thought that was genius. 435 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:03,600 Yeah. Well, that was great because it 436 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:07,900 was embracing my masculinity and like, having muscles and stuff 437 00:23:07,900 --> 00:23:11,100 whilst having this skinny waist, and because you're being able to 438 00:23:11,100 --> 00:23:14,600 dance and sing and do it all in the costume. 439 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:16,300 It was great. I loved doing that look. 440 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,900 And also I knew That no one else would do Mel C, because she's 441 00:23:19,900 --> 00:23:23,800 not an obvious drag. Sort of a drag look to do. 442 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:24,800 So I thought I'm going to do that. 443 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:26,700 So I stand out because you have to be really careful. 444 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,400 You have to be clever on drag race to pick things that people 445 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:30,900 won't pick. Yeah. 446 00:23:30,900 --> 00:23:33,300 Because the obvious ones from Spice Girls. 447 00:23:33,500 --> 00:23:36,600 Like I love Mel C by the way for listening and would be like 448 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,000 Scary Spice. Jerry and baby. 449 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:40,200 Yeah. I think they're the ones that 450 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,600 everyone would go go for. So I thought until they had the 451 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,700 iconic looks really didn't they? I thought I'm not going to do 452 00:23:45,700 --> 00:23:48,600 them and I'm going to Do press-ups on the runway and I'm 453 00:23:48,608 --> 00:23:51,200 gonna do something different. I think sort of as human beings 454 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,200 were little guilty of sizing people up, when we first meet 455 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:59,100 them, especially by what they're wearing, is this, something 456 00:23:59,100 --> 00:24:04,800 you're conscious of when you're around other drag artist, it's 457 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:06,400 nothing. I really thought of. 458 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,900 But, you know, I don't consider myself very my style is not very 459 00:24:10,900 --> 00:24:14,800 like fashion-forward. Like I'm not going to Balenciaga 460 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,000 to buy that sort of thing. So it doesn't really suit me. 461 00:24:17,500 --> 00:24:20,900 So I know that I get judged by certain other drag queens that 462 00:24:20,900 --> 00:24:26,000 maybe do wear, that kind of like expensive fashion brands and 463 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,000 stuff, because I don't really like that. 464 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,500 I like to look a bit more classic but classy. 465 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,700 So yeah, I don't really overthink it. 466 00:24:33,900 --> 00:24:36,900 I just always think if I feel good, then I don't care. 467 00:24:37,300 --> 00:24:39,300 It's a lot about how you feel inside. 468 00:24:39,300 --> 00:24:42,000 Yeah, isn't it? Yeah, would you say you have a 469 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:46,500 style icon? You know who I absolutely love 470 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,700 it. I time you really surprised me 471 00:24:50,700 --> 00:24:53,500 with that one. When I don't know. 472 00:24:53,500 --> 00:24:56,500 I just think if you look at all of her music videos and I think 473 00:24:56,500 --> 00:25:00,500 she wears like for example, I've got the leopard print outfit 474 00:25:00,500 --> 00:25:03,900 that she wore for that, don't impress me much, and like she 475 00:25:03,900 --> 00:25:08,800 just is incredible. I just think they the country 476 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,600 and western singers. Do have that for ya stick, 477 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,700 theatricality, don't they Dolly Parton. 478 00:25:13,700 --> 00:25:17,100 Oh, like her figure as well. It's like tiny way. 479 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,400 Has big boobs. It's quite drag, isn't it? 480 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:24,800 And I love anyone from like the late 90s early 2000s, all of 481 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:28,800 that sort of genre, all the Divas like that's totally my my 482 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:32,000 bag modern music and stuff. I'm not really into like I 483 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:37,300 always revert back to maybe in a kid we'd like Anastasia and you 484 00:25:37,300 --> 00:25:39,000 know all of these incredible people. 485 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,700 Yeah so I kind of I don't know, I guess I emulate I guess I 486 00:25:42,700 --> 00:25:46,500 really love the late 90s early 2000s. 487 00:25:46,900 --> 00:25:50,400 Do you Remember how old you were when you first when drag first 488 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,900 came into your lair, sort of Consciousness? 489 00:25:53,900 --> 00:25:56,100 Yeah, I think only because of RuPaul's Drag Race. 490 00:25:56,100 --> 00:26:00,300 I kind of discovered drag because I did panto as a kid. 491 00:26:00,300 --> 00:26:01,900 Yeah. Like the Pantone. 492 00:26:01,900 --> 00:26:03,400 So thanks for not drinking. Yeah. 493 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:09,700 And I guess, I just thought drag was like people in clubs, you 494 00:26:09,700 --> 00:26:13,000 know, being a bit dirty and stuff and then drag race kind of 495 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,000 took it to a different level where it was all about fashion 496 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:19,600 and it was about Impressions and Dancing and singing and I've 497 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,400 been watching it since it started, but really got into it 498 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,900 kind of in the last six years. I would say. 499 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,700 Yeah, when you realize that actually you can have a career 500 00:26:29,700 --> 00:26:32,300 and do some amazing stuff and it's a real art in it. 501 00:26:32,300 --> 00:26:33,600 It's real up. Yeah. 502 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:34,600 It really is. Yeah. 503 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:36,700 Right. I appreciate what you're saying 504 00:26:36,700 --> 00:26:41,100 about panto is just you can't compare panto to drag. 505 00:26:41,100 --> 00:26:43,600 No it's good. It's complete Polar Opposites 506 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,000 but it's great that it is because you know you can't be a 507 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:48,000 good. Pant a Dame. 508 00:26:48,100 --> 00:26:49,000 Yeah. Yeah. 509 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,800 Would you say you have a drag style icon? 510 00:26:51,900 --> 00:26:54,500 I mean RuPaul. Like the things he wears. 511 00:26:54,700 --> 00:26:57,400 Yeah. Are incredible apart from that? 512 00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:58,800 No, I don't. I don't know. 513 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,700 I'm really bad at having icons, don't know, but I but I sort of 514 00:27:02,700 --> 00:27:06,700 love it because you create your own personas and yeah, you're 515 00:27:06,700 --> 00:27:10,500 very artistic with it and I think takes from different bit 516 00:27:10,500 --> 00:27:13,500 sometimes. I think I want to look like this 517 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,600 this time and I said to the person that made my last dress, 518 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,400 I want it to Be cut and like drapey and edited her and part 519 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:21,900 of it so that I'm comfortable as well. 520 00:27:21,900 --> 00:27:25,100 So it draped across another person that made your last 521 00:27:25,100 --> 00:27:29,000 dress. Do, do they make for just drag 522 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,300 artist? Or is it a dress maker who makes 523 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,000 for women? So they do a lot of Ballroom 524 00:27:35,100 --> 00:27:38,100 stuff so there's no great with stretch material. 525 00:27:38,100 --> 00:27:40,200 Yes, you know, and any drag queens. 526 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,300 Best friend is a bit of stretch. There's any woman's best friend. 527 00:27:43,300 --> 00:27:45,300 Can I just tell you that? It's actually very true. 528 00:27:45,700 --> 00:27:49,100 So, and though she was making In 44 ballrooms. 529 00:27:49,100 --> 00:27:53,200 So she's great at, you know, at Sparkle and stretch. 530 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,500 And so, yeah, she's been great to me when you're unsure of the 531 00:27:56,508 --> 00:27:59,300 dress code. What's your go-to look? 532 00:27:59,300 --> 00:28:02,700 Is it, is it Ella? Or is it Nick? 533 00:28:02,900 --> 00:28:07,600 I like to mix it up, you know, because I like it was the finale 534 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:12,700 of drag race last year, and it was a gay times honors Awards. 535 00:28:13,100 --> 00:28:15,100 Everyone was going in Drag and I was like, I'm not going to go in 536 00:28:15,108 --> 00:28:17,000 drag even though it was like finale week. 537 00:28:17,100 --> 00:28:18,900 Week and everyone expected me to. 538 00:28:19,500 --> 00:28:25,100 So what do you wear? I bought a suit jacket and 539 00:28:25,100 --> 00:28:29,500 trousers from, what's his name Daniel Fletcher. 540 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,700 Yeah, like I got something from Daniel Flapjacks. 541 00:28:31,700 --> 00:28:34,300 I wanted to just go be comfortable and just be like 542 00:28:34,300 --> 00:28:37,000 hey, I can also be me out of drag. 543 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,400 Yeah. And like if you're going to like 544 00:28:39,500 --> 00:28:43,600 a gay function, you don't have to go and drag because everyone 545 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,200 there is probably from the lgbtq+ community and they know 546 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,300 you're a drag queen. I kind of thought I'd make, you 547 00:28:49,300 --> 00:28:52,000 know, just a statement be like, yeah, I can be in the finale of 548 00:28:52,008 --> 00:28:56,200 drag race and not going drag. Do you have one item of 549 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,100 clothing? That means the most to you. 550 00:28:58,100 --> 00:29:01,800 Oh my god, right? It doesn't mean the most 551 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,300 everyone hates it. It's actually this for our, I'll 552 00:29:05,300 --> 00:29:08,200 tell you what it's a really good price varies so old. 553 00:29:08,300 --> 00:29:11,600 And at the back of it, it's like cage like this and someone held 554 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,600 up the other day. And I'm like, what is this? 555 00:29:13,900 --> 00:29:17,000 Is it looks like a fisherman's Contraption for like that. 556 00:29:17,100 --> 00:29:21,200 Finding crabs or something. So this brought it needs 557 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,800 checking out, but this is like something I can't get rid of, 558 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,100 but does the right job. It makes the right shape. 559 00:29:26,100 --> 00:29:28,400 It still goes on. It's got one hook at the back. 560 00:29:28,500 --> 00:29:31,000 It's a mess, but you can't usually see it. 561 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,800 Do you buy things like that online or do you actually go 562 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:39,300 into a lingerie shop? No, I hate going into shops. 563 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,600 I hate going into shops, I get so embarrassed. 564 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:45,000 I feel really conscious going into even into women stores and 565 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,400 looking at women's clothes. So you still feels It 566 00:29:47,500 --> 00:29:50,300 everything's bought online. Think I bought this in Primark 567 00:29:50,300 --> 00:29:54,700 about six years ago and that's why I just carry on using it. 568 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,900 Have you ever used a stylist? No, no I haven't. 569 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:03,100 I wish I could. And why do you wish you could? 570 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,600 Because I would love someone to style me because sometimes, you 571 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,800 know, sometimes you can put together an outfit and you don't 572 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,600 know until the very end if it's going to work and that certainly 573 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,000 happened on drag race. Like I'd be like okay I need a 574 00:30:15,008 --> 00:30:16,900 we're going to do this and you never get to try them on at the 575 00:30:16,908 --> 00:30:19,100 same. Same time and even now I think 576 00:30:19,100 --> 00:30:22,600 I've got a better idea now of what suits me and what doesn't, 577 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,300 but it would be so nice to be that I would you help me? 578 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,400 Yeah. Make either as as a boy or a 579 00:30:29,408 --> 00:30:31,300 girl just have an outfit put together. 580 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,200 I just I just don't even know how to do that. 581 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,600 It's a real Indulgence. If you've been photographed in 582 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:42,200 something for a specific event and, you know, an award ceremony 583 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:46,400 or whatever. Do you relegate that piece to to 584 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,500 Archive it? Do you put it somewhere safe? 585 00:30:49,500 --> 00:30:52,300 And say I'll come back to that. What? 586 00:30:52,300 --> 00:30:56,400 Like my outfit? Yeah, well I guess so but also I 587 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,500 probably wear it again a gig. So yeah, I don't usually buy 588 00:30:59,500 --> 00:31:03,100 things that I like so expensive. That I feel like I've got to, 589 00:31:03,700 --> 00:31:05,700 you know, their pressures. They usually stretch material. 590 00:31:05,700 --> 00:31:09,300 So they're fairly affordable. They look expensive. 591 00:31:09,300 --> 00:31:13,200 I hope that your pounds per wear Primark exactly Mark bra from 592 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:14,400 it. Yeah, exactly. 593 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,700 And I'll probably keep them. I probably went Wear them for a 594 00:31:17,708 --> 00:31:20,800 long time after but I'll try and wear them again because it seems 595 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:22,600 such a waste to me. Yeah, good. 596 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,800 Yeah, because, otherwise, what we can do that, just have it sat 597 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,500 in her wardrobe. I mean, look after your clothes. 598 00:31:27,500 --> 00:31:29,700 Well, I mean, they're in there in the wardrobe. 599 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,900 That's about it. My boyfriend's, very good. 600 00:31:33,900 --> 00:31:36,200 At putting things away from me, without me asking. 601 00:31:37,100 --> 00:31:39,100 See ya, if it's on the floor, he'll put it away. 602 00:31:39,900 --> 00:31:42,300 Oh, he sounds like a keeper. Yes, he is. 603 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,900 Do you feel like you've had a worst fashion moment? 604 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:51,700 Oh, oh God, I wasn't in drag? Or was it in in? 605 00:31:52,100 --> 00:31:54,300 I mean, out of drag. I don't think so. 606 00:31:54,300 --> 00:32:00,600 I think on drag race, my finale gown was just horrendous talk us 607 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,900 through. It was the wig, the accessories, 608 00:32:02,900 --> 00:32:06,100 the dress, horrendous, the shoes, everything was bad. 609 00:32:06,500 --> 00:32:10,800 I've got right to episode 10, right in the lead to win and 610 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,100 then aware that and it Custer the outfit. 611 00:32:14,100 --> 00:32:15,600 Okay. So the outfit was a bit of a 612 00:32:15,608 --> 00:32:17,900 nightmare. It was based on another design. 613 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,800 We couldn't get the fabric. Basically, I hadn't even tried 614 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:23,800 on the gown and I took it to drag race. 615 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:28,000 Oh, the hair is by someone else. The jewelry didn't really match 616 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,900 the outfit. So when I tried on the dress, it 617 00:32:31,900 --> 00:32:35,900 was too too short. So we didn't hit the ground, The 618 00:32:35,900 --> 00:32:38,200 Joy didn't really go, the hair really didn't go. 619 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,500 My shoes are broken. So I actually had them sellotape 620 00:32:40,500 --> 00:32:44,800 to my feet and it just, it just It's just a nightmare and I had 621 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,200 a back injury as well. So it was just a nightmare 622 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:52,200 finale and that seeing that outfit just brings me back to 623 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:53,300 it. Okay? 624 00:32:53,300 --> 00:32:57,100 We'll leave that one fine but I am looking down at these 625 00:32:57,100 --> 00:33:01,400 Exquisite, jewels of shoes. Yeah. 626 00:33:01,900 --> 00:33:05,700 Is there a specific place that you go to for? 627 00:33:05,700 --> 00:33:11,400 Because you must be what a man's size, 14 to size 7. 628 00:33:11,500 --> 00:33:14,600 So I said, so you Please buy women's? 629 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,300 Yeah. Could you best do really well in 630 00:33:16,300 --> 00:33:17,400 the sales? Yeah. 631 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,500 No, I'm really lucky. A lot of a lot of guys have big 632 00:33:20,500 --> 00:33:21,300 old. Yeah. 633 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:26,100 Well as I've only got a size 7. Little dainty for so little 634 00:33:26,100 --> 00:33:27,100 dainty. But yeah. 635 00:33:27,100 --> 00:33:29,900 They were those little dainties. Are they women's shoes? 636 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,200 Yeah. Well, I think they do drag their 637 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,300 from Baker shoe. They actually sent them to me in 638 00:33:34,300 --> 00:33:37,100 there, they're really comfy. I know they look huge, but I 639 00:33:37,108 --> 00:33:38,500 think because they've got a platform. 640 00:33:38,500 --> 00:33:40,000 They're getting a good plug right now. 641 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,900 Yeah, exactly. And that. 642 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,800 Just they're just great for like heightening, you know, making me 643 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:50,000 really big and tall and scary and with your stage experience. 644 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,500 Do you think that's helped you in terms of being able to carry 645 00:33:53,500 --> 00:33:55,900 off a heel? Oh definitely. 646 00:33:55,900 --> 00:33:57,800 Yeah. Like a lot of, a lot of people 647 00:33:57,800 --> 00:33:59,400 don't know how to even walk in heels. 648 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,500 I didn't particularly put ice to say, I do not see this, you 649 00:34:02,500 --> 00:34:06,200 know, I was in Wicked. And I used to just sometimes 650 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,500 Nick the girls shoes and just wear them around just for 651 00:34:09,500 --> 00:34:11,900 laughs, you know. And like with all the Dance 652 00:34:11,900 --> 00:34:14,400 Experience, you know, you can't B be good at walking and 653 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,600 dancing. Like I've worn them on, on tour 654 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,699 for like seven weeks, like doing a dance number of the beginning. 655 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,600 I've got to ask you, what's the worst part of being a woman for 656 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,600 you? I mean, being a woman is 657 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:34,000 fantastic, but for me it's just it's when you need a way for me 658 00:34:34,300 --> 00:34:36,400 in the eight pairs. Okay well those two pairs of 659 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,699 underwear that are underneath the corset and all the pair. 660 00:34:39,699 --> 00:34:42,100 All the pair's tights, trying, every way is awful. 661 00:34:42,300 --> 00:34:46,300 So there's some nice So I just don't we for about 10 hours just 662 00:34:46,300 --> 00:34:48,699 because it's too much you know too much hassle. 663 00:34:52,500 --> 00:34:56,600 Let's talk about travel. You've been on the road for a 664 00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:02,900 while. Now how is that you've been 665 00:35:02,900 --> 00:35:08,800 living in a tour bus? Yeah, do people stay in 666 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,400 character, do they, you know, are you, are you on the road 667 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,800 with a bunch of She women or are you? 668 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:19,400 I don't mean to Typecast us. But, or are you on the road with 669 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:24,100 a whole lot of blokes that or is it in between somewhere between 670 00:35:24,100 --> 00:35:26,800 there? Well, it was, it was a coach, 671 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,600 like a sleeper bus, you know, with the little coffin beds 672 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,400 where you wake up. And then in the night, like 673 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,400 what, like, you've been buried alive? 674 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,000 Did you sleep? I did sleep. 675 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,400 It's actually very calming like the rocking of the bus sometimes 676 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,000 you're like, what the hell is this driver doing? 677 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,100 Because it was like, yeah. Yeah, but no, it's fine. 678 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:49,300 There were 16 of us on this coach that are for dancers and 679 00:35:49,300 --> 00:35:53,000 then the 12 drag queens, and it was actually really fun. 680 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,200 It was the first time we'd all been together for a long time. 681 00:35:56,500 --> 00:36:00,900 Did you ever have to get into into drag on the bus? 682 00:36:01,100 --> 00:36:04,000 No, no, no, no, no, no. We get would do that in the 683 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:04,900 venue. Yeah. 684 00:36:04,900 --> 00:36:07,100 Shower. You do your last toilet, and 685 00:36:07,100 --> 00:36:09,900 then you get on the, on the bus for the night, and you travel 686 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,000 sometimes, I seven hours to the next place. 687 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:16,200 You'd wake up in the Venue because you do find myself sort 688 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:22,200 of visualizing you all piling off this bus in full, drag the 689 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,400 locals. Yeah, wondering what hit them? 690 00:36:24,500 --> 00:36:28,300 No, no, it was, it was all out of drag on the bus and it was 691 00:36:28,300 --> 00:36:30,400 really fun. You know, be partying till late 692 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,700 and getting up early. And yeah, it's just just, great 693 00:36:33,700 --> 00:36:34,800 fun. Having such a good time. 694 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:36,700 Have you ever been through an airport in drag? 695 00:36:36,900 --> 00:36:39,700 No, but I know people that have they had to do secure it in 696 00:36:39,700 --> 00:36:41,800 everything. We went on the fairest of been 697 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,400 quite an interesting pattern. It down. 698 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,100 I don't know. I don't know how they let that 699 00:36:45,100 --> 00:36:45,900 happen. Me. 700 00:36:45,900 --> 00:36:48,600 And Kitty's Got Claws. We went to Calais the other day 701 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:52,100 for a job. So we had to go on a ferry, get 702 00:36:52,100 --> 00:36:56,100 into drag on the ferry. Brilliant, and then work in a 703 00:36:56,100 --> 00:37:01,700 duty-free and then get back. I think we got our makeup off 704 00:37:01,700 --> 00:37:03,800 before we got on the ferry. But yeah, that was an 705 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:05,900 experience. You got the makeup off. 706 00:37:05,900 --> 00:37:08,100 Did you get the padding off? Yeah, everything's off. 707 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,800 I whip it off Wicked and you can imagine how long does it will 708 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,700 the makeup. Removal takes always like five 709 00:37:14,700 --> 00:37:17,000 minutes, honestly, just so quick. 710 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:18,700 Just get something like, oily or creamy. 711 00:37:18,700 --> 00:37:22,400 Just smoosh it all in. Wipe it off the brow cover takes 712 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:26,100 a bit longer. Have you found that you have 713 00:37:26,100 --> 00:37:30,500 been more attentive to your skincare since you've been a 714 00:37:30,500 --> 00:37:34,000 drag queen definitely when sometimes I've done drag, you 715 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,500 know six times in a week in a row sometimes it's long hours 716 00:37:37,500 --> 00:37:41,200 and my face just feel so dry. So I've been especially as I'm 717 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:42,800 34. My skin is aging. 718 00:37:42,900 --> 00:37:45,100 As well. So, I just make sure I use some 719 00:37:45,100 --> 00:37:47,200 decent products, take it off gently. 720 00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:51,300 So, I had loads of awful kind of breakouts when my eyes are just 721 00:37:51,300 --> 00:37:52,500 swell up. I'm not surprised. 722 00:37:52,500 --> 00:37:54,100 I mean I'm looking at the amount of makeup. 723 00:37:54,100 --> 00:37:56,700 You've got on now, it looks extraordinary. 724 00:37:56,700 --> 00:38:00,200 Yeah, it's like caked on but I would imagine that what a 725 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,400 process is Kate Diamond. It's all powder down. 726 00:38:04,300 --> 00:38:07,400 It's actually really easy to get on and off I think. 727 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,600 But I guess I'm used to it. I wouldn't know how to do your 728 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,800 makeup or like a normal makeup. I'm not sure. 729 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:18,900 I know how to do. I need some tips later when 730 00:38:18,900 --> 00:38:22,400 you're out of drag. What's your what's your look? 731 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:27,100 Watch the Knick look, I kind of have like two different default 732 00:38:27,100 --> 00:38:30,000 site. Obviously, I walk my dog and I'm 733 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,400 just in scruffy clothes at home. I don't really care how I look 734 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,500 and what Scrappy clothes, just like joggers and jumper. 735 00:38:35,500 --> 00:38:38,900 Just like, you know, casual. I like to look nice when I'm 736 00:38:38,900 --> 00:38:42,400 going out and I'm quite good at sort of styling up in the commit 737 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,600 nice. I love fear Ruchi like anything 738 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,800 from there is a bit cool but edgy great, you can just put 739 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:51,000 with some plain jeans. You know I'm kind of good at 740 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:55,000 putting together an outfit out of drag but usually it's just 741 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,300 kind of do you have a guilty secret brand when you're out of 742 00:38:58,300 --> 00:39:03,000 drag? Not really no but I don't either 743 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:07,800 I find I've where Uniqlo joggers because they're so soft and 744 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,300 comfy for that's it. So it's all about it, really is 745 00:39:11,300 --> 00:39:13,800 I'm like, honestly out of drag. I never think. 746 00:39:13,900 --> 00:39:15,900 Oh, I must wear a nice outfit today. 747 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,300 It's almost like, this is me dressing up. 748 00:39:18,300 --> 00:39:19,700 Yep. Well like, if I'm going to an 749 00:39:19,700 --> 00:39:23,600 event then I wear I know how to look nice and put together a 750 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,800 good outfit, but he's just like, I like to look kind of like 751 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,500 relax. Like, have not made an effort 752 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:34,000 because I haven't. So coming on to sort of the 753 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:38,700 whole sustainability thing that, you know, obviously, we're all 754 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:42,700 much more, much more aware of the plan. 755 00:39:42,900 --> 00:39:47,100 'Not and overconsumption, what's your approach to that? 756 00:39:47,100 --> 00:39:51,600 Because you're clearly in an industry that is more is more. 757 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,100 Hmm. And you've got to create, do you 758 00:39:54,300 --> 00:39:57,200 do you ever sell any of your outfits? 759 00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:01,400 Do you ever buy any second hand? How what, how do you approach 760 00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,700 sustainability? Yes, that's an interesting one 761 00:40:03,700 --> 00:40:08,400 because drag is so it can be so wasteful, all the wigs, so you 762 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,300 know, plastic they're not real hair but then there's something 763 00:40:11,300 --> 00:40:14,000 to be said for real hair wigs. Yes all the time. 764 00:40:14,100 --> 00:40:16,200 Yes, another issue. That's how love is scary isn't 765 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:17,900 it? But I tend to you know where 766 00:40:17,900 --> 00:40:21,500 things are born what I'm wearing now loads of times like 20 times 767 00:40:21,500 --> 00:40:24,100 you mean it's not special. It was just for today. 768 00:40:24,100 --> 00:40:24,600 Yes. Sorry. 769 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:28,200 That's what I meant. No, I think you know, I'm still 770 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,800 wearing a wig that I bought a year ago, and I'm just maintain 771 00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:33,300 it. So I try not to be wasteful 772 00:40:33,700 --> 00:40:35,600 mainly because I don't want to keep spending too much money as 773 00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,300 well. But I'll just make sure that I 774 00:40:38,300 --> 00:40:39,800 get things that I can wear again. 775 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,200 Like I said if it's a red carpet, look I can probably wear 776 00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,700 it again. I can get it cut into a shorter 777 00:40:44,700 --> 00:40:48,100 dress or something, you know, it is important to make sure we're 778 00:40:48,100 --> 00:40:51,200 not just chucking things away. And yes, I am going to start 779 00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,300 selling stuff. It's taken me ages to get around 780 00:40:53,300 --> 00:40:56,300 to it. But I'm going to start selling 781 00:40:56,300 --> 00:40:58,400 B. I definitely don't want things 782 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:03,800 from drag race old wigs, but surely now you have such a name 783 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:08,200 you could actually almost it's almost like selling a brand. 784 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,800 Yeah, exactly. So if I can sell like a whole 785 00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,000 look then someone might want to keep You might just want to act 786 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:19,200 for the for the for being on telly but you also like at when 787 00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,400 we're on tour a few of the girls had sold their outfits and 788 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,400 people came to the meet and greets in that outfit. 789 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,800 So, it's quite nice to see that they do use it. 790 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,900 Yeah, so it's a good I know like a lot of drag queens do just 791 00:41:30,900 --> 00:41:33,000 wear something once and then sell it straight away. 792 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,600 So yeah, at least you're not just chucking them away as a 793 00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:39,900 circularity in it and I try not to buy from you know fast 794 00:41:39,900 --> 00:41:42,500 fashion because a it doesn't really fit me anyway. 795 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,900 Yeah, but just because that is so wasteful. 796 00:41:45,900 --> 00:41:49,000 Yeah, because I was going to say Do you ever when you buy 797 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:53,700 something and you ever conscious of the person that would have 798 00:41:53,700 --> 00:41:58,000 made that garment you ever think about that someone I know said 799 00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,100 that in the label of something that I bought from one of these 800 00:42:01,100 --> 00:42:03,400 Brands was like a help me message. 801 00:42:03,500 --> 00:42:06,300 Oh, it's hard for someone that was making it and that is just 802 00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:11,200 scary and horrific. Yeah, see I am conscious like I 803 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:15,300 buy Jewelry from like a fast Fashion Place because I wear 804 00:42:15,300 --> 00:42:16,600 them a million times. Yes. 805 00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,900 And in terms of clothes I try not to. 806 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,700 Yeah, and I have to ask you about the nails. 807 00:42:23,500 --> 00:42:26,100 Well, these are my nails now. Unbelievable. 808 00:42:26,100 --> 00:42:29,500 I've just really actually had acrylics taken off yesterday 809 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:31,200 because I had them on for seven weeks. 810 00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,700 And I have always bitten my nails. 811 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:35,700 So, this is the first time in 34 years. 812 00:42:35,700 --> 00:42:39,100 I've had at your nails. You have beautiful nails. 813 00:42:39,100 --> 00:42:42,700 That's incredible. So, there we've got another 814 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:47,100 Positive, do you ever buy vintage or is it difficult? 815 00:42:47,100 --> 00:42:51,000 Because of the I do as me as Nick. 816 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:52,800 I've got so many vintage jumpers. 817 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,600 Like I love a jumper on drag race. 818 00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:59,500 I wore different jumper, I think every week, but in drag, I think 819 00:42:59,500 --> 00:43:01,300 it's harder because of the body shape. 820 00:43:01,300 --> 00:43:04,000 I think it's easier to get accessories and stuff, but I 821 00:43:04,008 --> 00:43:06,300 need to find out where all the good ones are because maybe I've 822 00:43:06,300 --> 00:43:09,900 not been to the right vintage store and also with vintage. 823 00:43:09,900 --> 00:43:12,700 Sometimes it's so expensive. I almost can't. 824 00:43:12,900 --> 00:43:15,300 Justify a price, you know, it's interesting. 825 00:43:15,300 --> 00:43:18,700 You say that, you know, I've always gone up to Portobello 826 00:43:18,700 --> 00:43:23,600 Market to look pieces for inspiration and sometimes, you 827 00:43:23,607 --> 00:43:28,100 know, you know if something is trending suddenly the pieces 828 00:43:28,100 --> 00:43:30,600 like 300 quid everything. Oh, hang on. 829 00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,500 That's just way more than it should be. 830 00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:38,100 I used to find some Bargains in dalston Oxfam, that was the best 831 00:43:38,100 --> 00:43:41,500 place where I used to find so many cool things I used to find 832 00:43:41,900 --> 00:43:45,100 wallpaper. From Ice, find amazing things to 833 00:43:45,100 --> 00:43:47,100 sell on. Basically, make a little profit, 834 00:43:47,100 --> 00:43:48,600 but I shouldn't say that, that's all know. 835 00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:52,200 That's based, if I love those, the entrepreneur entrepreneur, 836 00:43:52,500 --> 00:43:59,300 five rows of Liberty wallpaper in Oxfam poundage amazing. 837 00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,300 I seldom you saw them. I was going to say, is it is 838 00:44:02,700 --> 00:44:04,500 your bedroom? Yeah. 839 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:10,500 Do you have a one piece in your wardrobe that it has just huge 840 00:44:10,500 --> 00:44:14,700 sentimental value to you? It probably be something from, 841 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,600 not, from a drag or Joe, probably. 842 00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,800 Yeah. I've got like my old school 843 00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,700 jumper, which I still wear. You still have that? 844 00:44:22,700 --> 00:44:24,600 Yes, from high school. Tell me about it. 845 00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,200 What's it look like it looks. Okay, it's still got the holes 846 00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,500 in there in the sleeve. So I used to put my thumb's 847 00:44:29,500 --> 00:44:33,700 through, would they just like what used to be created by year? 848 00:44:34,300 --> 00:44:36,300 Still wear that now and it still looks good. 849 00:44:36,500 --> 00:44:38,000 That's good. It's blue. 850 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:39,800 I think it was Heather set high school. 851 00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,700 It's got like a little sort of logo here and so I still 852 00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,100 Sometimes wear that, and I think it's quite cool at that. 853 00:44:45,100 --> 00:44:48,100 It's been to. Yeah, proper vintage, right? 854 00:44:48,100 --> 00:44:50,000 I've got some quick fire questions for you. 855 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,600 High end of High, Street, High Street, bling or bear. 856 00:44:54,800 --> 00:45:02,900 Bling, more minimalism will maximalism maximum Couture, or 857 00:45:02,900 --> 00:45:07,700 charity shop. Mmm, charity shop one-off or bug 858 00:45:07,700 --> 00:45:15,200 off. One US Crocs Que te puke puke I 859 00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,100 hate them. The sneakers are still after 860 00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:22,500 sneakers sneakers for Nick and yeah, one for each please. 861 00:45:22,700 --> 00:45:27,100 Okay body Cano boho. Always bodycon Sports Luxe over 862 00:45:27,100 --> 00:45:33,000 up, rock chick Sports Luxe glamour grunge Glam, red carpet 863 00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:38,400 or relax, red carpet party where our PJs party where color or 864 00:45:38,408 --> 00:45:43,500 monochrome Color pattern or plain pattern experimental or 865 00:45:43,500 --> 00:45:51,700 uniform a uniform vintage or rental vintage, shapewear or 866 00:45:51,700 --> 00:45:55,400 sexy lingerie. Hmm, shape wear tights or 867 00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,500 stocking tight. So, the tights. 868 00:45:57,500 --> 00:46:00,900 I'm finally helluva day. Yes, one last question. 869 00:46:00,900 --> 00:46:04,800 At the end of the day, what do you or don't you wear in bed? 870 00:46:05,500 --> 00:46:07,500 Oh, I always have to wear something in beds. 871 00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:11,400 I mean, at the moment I can't work out the weather. 872 00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:15,000 So I'm like, I started in trousers and a T-shirt and ended 873 00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:18,400 up just in boxes in a vest. And I don't even remember taking 874 00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,200 off the tee shirt a bit of estan. 875 00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,200 So yeah, always something I can't do the note. 876 00:46:24,300 --> 00:46:27,600 You've got to be dressed things stick to other things. 877 00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:32,900 It's not nice, maybe a bit too much information, but I love a 878 00:46:32,908 --> 00:46:38,200 day, what a great privilege to spend this time with you so 879 00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,900 much. The whole drag scene fascinates 880 00:46:41,900 --> 00:46:46,700 me and the whole reason for dressing up, but it just love 881 00:46:46,700 --> 00:46:48,800 exploring it. Yeah, you so thankful please 882 00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:50,200 come and see us a show. Sometimes. 883 00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,600 I would love to have the amazing at thank you for having me. 884 00:46:52,700 --> 00:47:06,500 Oh thank you. I hope you're enjoying the 885 00:47:06,500 --> 00:47:09,200 podcast. If you are, please leave a 886 00:47:09,207 --> 00:47:12,800 review and hit the Subscribe button, see you next week.