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Today I'm going on a style 

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journey with author, broadcaster
and coach Rosie Nixon. 

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Hello and welcome, Rosie. 
Hello, thank you for having me. 

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It's lovely to have you here. 
I mean, you have been on quite 

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the career journey. 
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tenure as editor of Hello 
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also managed to pen 3 novels and
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Plus had two boys. 
Those 16 years also saw the most

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metamorphic change in the 
magazine landscape, didn't they?

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I just would love to talk about 
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know, that's quite a journey. 
It is. 

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I do feel like when you say it 
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Life at hello, didn't I? 
I lived a lot of my life there. 

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16 years was in a long time. 
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really started in one place, and
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were digital, you were 
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everything. 
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I feel as though, yeah, I 
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age, but so did the publishing 
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different now, completely 
different media landscape to the

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one that was when I first took 
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Obviously publications now are 
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their audience 24/7. 
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you've got to be there otherwise
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curve and you will lose your 
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So it's a really competitive, 
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could sell a million copies in a
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present an exclusive to the 
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print media partner to do that 
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And I felt like I had the best 
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because I was right there on the
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exclusives and and breaking them
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Internet had kind of developed 
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took control of their own image.
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challenging part of that 
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The speed of it, hello. 
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I mean, even though obviously we
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second as as the as news outlets
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platforms, but we were a weekly 
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So we would go to press every 
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I mean, we'd go to press at sort
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following Monday. 
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And Friday so that the pages 
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role. 
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my phone and keeping in touch 
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And it was always really 
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from an agent saying can I talk 
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I've got a really big one for. 
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can't wait to hear what this is.
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Wedding or something. 
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going to happen actually from 
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planning, you know, a photo 
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somewhere, you know, with a 
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royal events, didn't you? 
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wedding of the the then Duke and
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to clash with mine and then I'd 
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1st, I don't think that would 
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husband, would it? 
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a newspaper and a magazine 
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glossiness of amazing 
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And did you have to do any 
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as the editor? 
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I mean, I always put my role at 
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were just starting to do some 
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we very excitedly thought let's 
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I mean, now it's a. 
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video, I mean. 
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rented this room that was part 
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overlooked Westminster Abbey and
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out probably paid an 
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was like the hottest kind of 
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balcony. 
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For most of that day, though, I 
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on making the pages the best 
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was the big issue of the year. 
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copies in three days, and we had
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feeling knowing that you've 
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I think I left the office 
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A slightly delirious I think you
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knows what time 4:00 when it 
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and you know the challenge was 
picking what is going to be that

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iconic image because we hadn't 
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we had. 
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image before you saw Times 
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thousands of images because 
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independent photographer, I 
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capturing images of the day 
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that shot becomes the shot, it's
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world. 
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what are those images that 
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way that are really going to get
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iconic? 
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style DNA, but I would love to 
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would you say is the DNA of 
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I'd say it's like the magazine 
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like the royal wedding really 
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I think it's sold so many copies
because people wanted that issue

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as a keepsake. 
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It's a snapshot of the zeitgeist
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could keep for generations. 
So I've still got all my iconic 

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hellos. 
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royal wedding like? 
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can get out. 
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And there it all is. 
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designers for films use hello. 
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set in 1992 and you want to know
what were the hairstyles, what 

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were the fashions? 
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parties? 
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Real people rather than what the
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It would. 
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that week in that year, really 
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the Shakers? 
What were the trends. 

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Yeah. 
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So that's why I think the 
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nice way to describe. 
It OH. 

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That's lovely. 
Do you have one copy of each one

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that you edited? 
I oh God no, because that was 

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would be hundreds yeah, in the 
16 years, but I do have a little

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my little stash of my favorite 
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Not really, actually. 
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actually. 
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They're kind of in a box 
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I've got all, all of my 
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worked on over the years. 
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you leave a magazine to have a 
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front covers of me on the front 
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It list all the bags I've 

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worked. 
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publicly because the cover lines
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funny in some way. 
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Brilliant. 
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industry, do you think that and 
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Do you think that AI will affect
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Yeah, no, I don't think it will.
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It will have to be embraced, you
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incredibly helpful in lots of 
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think nothing will replace that 
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becomes known for. 
And Hello does have a unique 

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tone of voice, and most of our 
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they sell less these days and 
they coexist alongside different

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forms of technology. 
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should be scared of their jobs, 
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Now, I always think of you when 
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and I always think of you as a 
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very kind. 
How much of that was you and how

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much of that was the owner 
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the subject of kindness during 
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Because if I'm honest, when I 
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bit of an anomaly. 
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Nast, I'd worked at Bauer, I'd 
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publishing houses. 
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that was just on its own as a 
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And, and in a way it would get 
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I felt a bit as people think, 
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then the red tops and that 
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it's a badge of honor and it's 
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let's like really own this area.
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successful and there's been such
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because we're kind to people. 
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why they want their wedding. 
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In the magazine, that's why they
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because it's a trusted 
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really proud and protective of 
this stance and that actually it

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fabric of the magazine. 
Love that. 

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I mean, you lived 8 read Hello 
for 16 years and that ultimately

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meant that you burnt out. 
Yes. 

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Just tell me about that for for 
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into new chapters and we, and 
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We were just saying it's an 
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context about next chapter, 
yeah. 

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Well, I think, and it's funny 
sort of reflecting on sort of 

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what happened a few years ago 
now and that benefit of 

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hindsight and what you now sort 
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time. 
It was formative for me. 

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You know, I met my husband while
I was at hello, got married. 

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You mentioned the children and 
you know, my life coincided with

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the life of this magazine. 
That was an all consuming job. 

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But I think I reached a point in
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50 this year, but I was 47 and. 
It just it. 

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Wasn't so aligned anymore with 
who I was becoming and I didn't 

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want to feel resentful for it 
either because it was an amazing

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chapter in my career. 
But I had evolved my values were

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changing the things that really 
motivated me in life, my 

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strengths, the things that I 
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doing and your strengths, then 
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burnout or stress. 
Plus, you know, the media world,

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as we've discussed a bit had was
evolving around me. 

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It was becoming a sort of 24/7 
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different elements. 
I was hosting a podcast, as you 

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mentioned, lots of events, more 
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as well of the brand. 
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diluted and that I was losing 
the real reason why I wanted to 

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be involved in that role in the 
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And that was nobody's fault. 
You know, I had to move with the

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times as we all do. 
Our job descriptions change and 

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there has been an enormous shift
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And it reached for me a kind of 
perfect storm, you know? 

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I mean, I remember the exact 
date. 

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It was the 3rd of October 2022. 
Well. 

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I remember seeing you on the 2nd
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The day after I'd hosted Yeah 
The Inspirational, which had 

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gone really well, but I 
realised, well, my body realised

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I had been running on empty for 
a long time. 

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Adrenaline. 
And I woke up that next morning,

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I was in London Hotel where I'd 
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like really focused on these 
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And as you know, when you've got
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can't think of anything else. 
And it seems slightly mad now. 

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And I look back thinking we were
only running a magazine, like it

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wasn't like we were performing 
hearts. 

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Open Heart. 
Surgery. 

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But at the time when you're in 
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everything and. 
It has to be. 

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It has to be yeah, if you're if 
you're passionate about what you

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do and you have high standards 
and you want to do everything 

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well. 
But I woke up and there were 

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missed calls from my boys, which
was the thing that really got 

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me. 
I hadn't even noticed them from 

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the night before because I'd 
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just, it was like the adrenaline
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hormonally things were going on 
as well. 

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I was definitely in the early 
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though, again, I didn't 
recognize that at the time 

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because I never. 
We're too busy, yeah. 

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I was too. 
Busy even though I was actually 

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running a menopause campaign, I,
I hadn't really put the two and 

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two together that oh actually, 
this could be why I'm feeling a 

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number of these symptoms and 
it's a penny dropping moment for

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many women. 
And I just thought, I just can't

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do this anymore. 
And I actually ended up sobbing 

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basically for two weeks and I 
felt as though I was losing it. 

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I you. 
Were probably grieving that part

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of yeah and your. 
Life. 

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Does sort of come into it a bit,
especially when a role has, you 

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know, been become your identity 
for such a long time. 

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But you know, luckily I am a 
very positive person. 

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I'm really well supported with a
great family and friends and I 

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sort of knew I would be all 
right and even in the darkest 

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sort of moment because I ended 
up having some weeks of work. 

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I mean, which isn't a lot of 
time in the scheme of things, 

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but for me it felt massive 
because I was never off sick. 

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I even sort of in that time 
there was a little seed of 

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excitement that Oh my God, 
something's going to happen now.

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I don't want to become be a 
person that's moaning about 

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their job and how busy it is and
it's all too much. 

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I'm not enjoying it anymore and 
not do anything about it because

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I can't bear that. 
You know, I am a guest of and go

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sort of person who is driven and
loves the world of work, but 

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needs to be doing things that 
I'm really passionate about. 

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And it had been a long time and 
actually that's OK. 

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It's all right to evolve, to 
think that was a brilliant 

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chapter, but I'm ready to move 
on to another one now. 

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The difficulty is how to then 
navigate it, because we're 

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really bad at endings. 
I think that's particularly a 

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British thing as well. 
I think some other cultures are 

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perhaps a bit better at it, but 
we don't like to leave things 

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and we find it really awkward to
have those conversations and 

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they're a bit icky and hard. 
Particularly I think if it 

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involves a certain showing a 
certain vulnerability, you know,

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we're, we're not, especially if 
we've been successful and that, 

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that doesn't sit right with us. 
No, it doesn't. 

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And I felt, though, that I, I 
didn't have anything to be sort 

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of ashamed of. 
You know, it was to be proud. 

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Yeah. 
But it's hard to think straight 

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when you are sort of feeling the
physical effects of stress. 

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And I think it really was the 
first time I had realised that. 

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Stress lives in your nervous 
system and if you ignore the 

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signs for long enough, it will 
affect you physically. 

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It will stop. 
You, I always thought, oh 

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there's work stress stuff over 
here and then your physical 

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health is something completely 
different. 

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Well, it's not, it's very much 
interlinked. 

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And so that was a wake up call 
to actually have to confront 

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that and put measures in place 
to look after myself a bit 

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better and. 
Also, think about what is really

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important to me at this stage of
life. 

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What does success mean to me 
now? 

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And actually, it isn't a job 
title. 

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It isn't working all hours as if
that's a kind of badge of 

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honour. 
I've done all of that striving. 

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Now I want to use all of that 
accumulated wisdom in a more 

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purposeful way. 
And I want to be around a bit 

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more at home just. 
And and no, totally. 

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And So what was the penny 
dropping moment to explore 

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coaching, which is has been your
next step? 

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Has, yeah. 
So coaching. 

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I'd had a bit of coaching in the
past at various times and I've 

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got a couple of friends that are
coaches and actually my brother 

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and sister are both coaches. 
So I've. 

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Sort of. 
Been around slightly in the 

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family. 
Set. 

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Yeah, for a long time and I've 
always liked. 

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The coaching approach that it's 
very positive. 

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It fosters a growth mindset. 
It's all about right what what 

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you're going to do from here. 
Whereas therapy looks back into 

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the past, coaching is really 
looking forward and the coach 

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takes the coachee as they are on
that day and helps them to 

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identify their goals and draws 
out of them what steps they're 

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going to take to try and reach 
them so that. 

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The. 
Practical positivity really 

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spoke to me and I did turn to a 
coach during my trying to sort 

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of extricate myself from a hello
period, and I found it so 

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helpful. 
And then it just started to dawn

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on me as I started to look at 
the elements of my role that I 

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did really enjoy and the things 
that I might like to do in the 

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future, that gaining A 
qualification as a coach could 

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be a really positive thing to 
do. 

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I think as well as women, we 
often have this sort of fear of,

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well, people talk about imposter
syndrome, even though I hate 

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that phrase. 
But if you are feeling that 

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you're not properly qualified 
for something, well then get 

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that qualification, do the work,
understand it properly. 

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And I wanted to feel as though 
if I was going to move into this

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area that I had done the work. 
And so I signed up to do a 

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course to get gain a 
qualification in life coaching. 

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It was a course that you could 
do remotely. 

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I really enjoyed it. 
And there were twelve other 

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people on my course, or maybe 
more than that actually. 

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Was it about 16? 
And we met every week and nobody

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cared that I was editor in chief
of Hello. 

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Like it wasn't about that. 
I felt like I was really me 

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again. 
And you feel free, something I 

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felt free. 
And the freedom was massive for 

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me because I felt so constrained
at hello by somebody else's 

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agenda, by the schedule of the 
magazine, by the news agenda 

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constantly going on, You know, 
that I could never sort of just 

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take a step back. 
So it was trained. 

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That qualification was eye 
opening for the self-awareness 

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that it brought and what I 
learned about myself during it, 

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but also that I gained this 
skill set and something that I 

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absolutely love. 
And I think it plays quite well 

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into journalism because it isn't
about asking the right 

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questions. 
It's about being a really good 

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listener, an active listener 
because we're not the same, you 

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know, you and I would have a 
different approach, you know, to

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what, what we might want to do 
in our careers and how we're 

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going to get there. 
So it's, it's about drawing the 

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best out of people. 
And I really love it, but I 

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really enjoy tying it in with 
the other elements that I 

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enjoyed, which was hosting 
events, use, building a 

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platform, speaking to a midlife 
female audience. 

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Because you've now gone on to 
create Rosie's Midlife 

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Reinvention retreats. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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And that that came about from 
having the courage to share my 

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own story because I felt that I 
needed to be honest about what I

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had gone through at Hello and 
the reason why I was leaving. 

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And I think that's a very 
powerful, well had story. 

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I wasn't doing a service to 
other women if I am just 

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contributing to this narrative 
that I'm nailing life at all 

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stages and now I've decided to 
be a coach and that's going to 

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go brilliantly because it. 
Really wasn't that 

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straightforward. 
It was a complete shitstorm at 

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times. 
To get through and I, I felt 

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like as soon as I was able to 
just be honest about that, the 

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response that I got was huge and
I really felt I'm onto something

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here. 
So many women writing to me. 

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I did a piece in the Telegraph 
all about it and I wasn't ready 

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to do it for quite a while after
it happened. 

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And when I did do it, I mean, 
the first time I wrote the piece

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myself and I just absolutely 
lost it in tears the first time 

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that I wrote it because it was 
all still there. 

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But then I wrote that piece 4 
times through and that was like 

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therapy because by the time I 
then sent it off I was like, I'm

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fine with this now I understand 
it. 

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How? 
Interesting. 

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That was sort of part of your 
probably part of your grieving 

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process for the the Rosie. 
Had been yeah, yeah. 

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And that's OK, you know, to feel
like. 

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Salute. 
I think it's phenomenally 

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freeing as well, exciting. 
And your toes are held so to the

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fire. 
And it's frightening at times. 

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And yeah, you feel like a 
complete novice, but what a 

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privilege. 
Yes. 

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And and always as we touched 
upon earlier when we were 

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chatting, it leads to a period 
of growth. 

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And actually the most 
challenging hardest moments are 

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really the ones that are going 
to make us. 

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And it's so worth remembering 
that if you are going through 

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something that when you're that 
down, the only way is up and you

452
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,480
were going to rise again like a 
phoenix and it's going to be 

453
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,840
even better than it was. 
So I'm actually really grateful.

454
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:43,880
But I had that experience now. 
I I would say I would 2nd that 

455
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,760
it's, it is a real privilege. 
It doesn't feel like it at the 

456
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:52,680
time, but my God, now it's how 
lucky are we to be? 

457
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,800
To be able to tell the story. 
Now in new chapters. 

458
00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:01,400
To give birth then to a whole 
other chapter that opened up 

459
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,480
sort of before me like it was 
meant to be. 

460
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,320
Yeah. 
And I also think we're living in

461
00:26:05,360 --> 00:26:11,840
a, in a time now where we will 
be having different careers, 

462
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,280
different chapters and, and 
they'll be, you know, quite well

463
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,960
defined and, and that's really 
exciting. 

464
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,000
Working life will be so much 
longer. 

465
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:24,200
You know, gone are the days when
you get your, you retire and 

466
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,800
draw your pension and that's it.
You've got your feet up for the 

467
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:28,960
next 30 years. 
I mean, I can't imagine anything

468
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,080
work. 
I, I can't either because I 

469
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:36,760
think, you know, being 
interested and inquisitive, if 

470
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,400
that's what keeps us well. 
That's life, isn't it? 

471
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,320
It's not. 
And that's the other thing, you 

472
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:45,480
know, seeing work as siloed from
the rest of your life doesn't 

473
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,960
work either, you know, because 
we do bring our full selves into

474
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:50,480
our workplace. 
I really believe. 

475
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,560
And you know, workplaces need to
acknowledge that as well. 

476
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,000
Actually, I was on AI was 
hosting a panel just the other 

477
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:01,160
day about longevity and there 
was a doctor on the panel and 

478
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:05,360
somebody said to him what is the
key to living a long and happy 

479
00:27:05,360 --> 00:27:07,400
life? 
And everybody thought he would 

480
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,480
say something about aesthetics 
or kind of diet or And he said 

481
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:14,680
don't retire. 
I thought that is so such good 

482
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,360
advice. 
Very good advice. 

483
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:24,600
Very, very good advice. 
Now let's spin back to the 

484
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,160
beginning. 
Where did you grow up? 

485
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,400
So I grew up in North London, 
yeah, in a place called 

486
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,680
Winchmore Hill, near Muswell 
Hill. 

487
00:27:34,360 --> 00:27:39,200
Really happy childhood. 
Spent then lots of my teenage 

488
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,480
years on the 29 bus going down 
to Camden. 

489
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,640
And that was my first experience
of. 

490
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:46,720
To Camden. 
Market. 

491
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:48,160
Yeah. 
Interesting. 

492
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:53,280
The nightlife and the clothes. 
And and was that your sort of 

493
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,720
earliest experience of clothes? 
Well, no. 

494
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,280
Or was your mother fantastically
stylish? 

495
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:04,320
Well, actually my grandmother 
was a huge influence on me from 

496
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,680
a fashion perspective. 
She was a real fashion Easter 

497
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:09,760
and she made a lot of her 
clothes. 

498
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:14,520
And I really vividly remember, I
mean, all the fur coats in 

499
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,760
hanging in her wardrobe, just 
the smell of her clothes. 

500
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:22,120
And I would love going in there.
She lived in Queue opposite Kew 

501
00:28:22,120 --> 00:28:26,880
Gardens but was Welsh originally
and lived in Swansea. 

502
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,240
That's where she was born and 
where my mom was born as well. 

503
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:34,320
And I'm raised and then my 
grandma moved to queue later in 

504
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:38,160
life and she just was the 
epitome of glamour to me. 

505
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,720
She taught me to always paint my
fingernails. 

506
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,560
She taught me how to do my 
cuticles, to cut my nails. 

507
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:48,400
That's what we'd do if she was 
babysitting and I would hang on 

508
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,520
every. 
Word and she'd always wear be 

509
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:55,120
wearing a matching pearls, 
earrings and necklace, always 

510
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:59,360
faced with a makeup. 
Do you remember trying on her 

511
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:01,960
clothes? 
Was there any, was there one 

512
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,960
particular moment that you tried
on something and you just. 

513
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:10,440
Felt, I think my different coats
really, I mean the fur coats, I 

514
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,680
mean, I would never wear them 
now because some of them were 

515
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,920
real because it was very much of
the time. 

516
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,920
And obviously I never took any 
of those coats because I just 

517
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:24,520
was, I'm very sort of anti, you 
know, any kind of real fur. 

518
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:30,080
And, but I remember trying on 
items, she'd make a lot of her 

519
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:34,360
clothes copying patterns from 
like Christian Dior or 

520
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:35,960
something. 
And then she'd make the suit 

521
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:40,200
that would just look like it. 
I've still got some of her coats

522
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,560
because I just can't bear to 
part with them. 

523
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,760
Do. 
You have one in particular that.

524
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,520
I've got a cream coat of hers 
that I still have and you still 

525
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,240
wear beautiful. 
I don't. 

526
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,520
I mean, the sleeves are too 
short for me now. 

527
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,280
She was like smaller than I am 
but. 

528
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,400
A three quarter sleeve with a. 
Long. 

529
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,600
Sleeve coming a long skinny 
sleeve coming out. 

530
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,160
Yeah, you're right. 
You could probably style that 

531
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,560
brilliantly. 
I should get it out and re and 

532
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:06,720
look at it. 
Get it out. 

533
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,240
I've still got that. 
Yeah, it's a beautiful coat. 

534
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,040
And I should think the. 
Fact she made it, it makes it 

535
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,320
even more special. 
Lovely. 

536
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,480
And, and do you have some of her
jewellery, did you say? 

537
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:23,040
Yeah, of course I wear her 
wedding band actually here, yes,

538
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,400
I feel a real connection to her.
She lived to 101. 

539
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,000
She died actually during the 
pandemic, which was. 

540
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:30,280
Really. 
Jeans, Rosie. 

541
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,720
I know, although I'm a bit. 
Like, do you want to keep going 

542
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:34,640
on and on and on? 
She. 

543
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:38,880
Died of old age and I think by 
the end she just wanted to go, 

544
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,360
but she always had false teeth 
that would just like amazingly 

545
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:48,560
white and straight and like she 
just was super glamorous. 

546
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,920
A glamorous grandmas was very 
lucky to have had her for so 

547
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:53,880
long. 
So more would you say you were 

548
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,120
more inspired by her than your 
own mother? 

549
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,760
Probably like from a fashion 
sense, although my mum inherited

550
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:02,240
so much when my. 
Grandma's out. 

551
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,720
Always does her nails. 
Too and enjoys makeup and our 

552
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:09,480
favorite thing to do together is
to meet in Chelsea and walk 

553
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,280
around the Kings Road and see 
what's happening and and go to 

554
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,120
Peter Jones for to cafe for. 
Lunch. 

555
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,840
So yeah, that is that is that is
one of the things we love doing 

556
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:25,160
together. 
But back in the in teenage rosy 

557
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:29,400
years, what were you wearing? 
Well. 

558
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,560
I was a real do you remember 
jumble sales were really. 

559
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,040
Popular when I was sort of in 
the guide. 

560
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:38,920
Absolutely. 
And I always loved rummaging 

561
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:43,320
around those hidden gems. 
So I was very into sort of 

562
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:47,640
vintage fashion and Camden 
Market became a really important

563
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,320
place to me. 
And I would go a Mecca and the 

564
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:55,000
red or dead shop, the shoes that
was on the corner there and 

565
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:59,360
going to the market and buying 
sort of tie dye T-shirts or a 

566
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:03,840
sheepskin coat or those sort of 
70s long coats with fur inside. 

567
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,000
I used to have these wedges as 
well that I bought. 

568
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,520
I mean, it was all vintage. 
I loved those 70s. 

569
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,640
Yes. 
But they were all from India, 

570
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,160
weren't they? 
Yeah, and they stank. 

571
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:20,000
Actually, actually, most of my 
wardrobe stank. 

572
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:21,440
And that's like, you'd buy 
something. 

573
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,360
It'd be like, oh, of cigarettes 
and. 

574
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,000
Yeah, it was sort of. 
Musty. 

575
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,280
Badly tanned leather. 
I think it was just. 

576
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:34,200
But we'd go out to Camden and 
always come back with these sort

577
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,920
of treasures because it's just 
amazing to find something 

578
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,520
vintage that then really fits 
you perfectly and it feels 

579
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,160
completely unique. 
Do you? 

580
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:48,880
When do you think you really 
discovered your your style? 

581
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:53,920
Yeah, I think I'm still 
discovering it in lots of ways 

582
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,280
because I have definitely gone 
through phases, in fact. 

583
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,000
Actually, it's just a reminder 
of my dad. 

584
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:04,600
In his speech at my wedding, I 
talked about my faces and. 

585
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:09,240
The fashion phase. 
Yes, because I had peroxide hair

586
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,760
for a bit short were like in 
that DA shape. 

587
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,760
Do you remember that was like a 
high Barb were shaved at the 

588
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:17,960
back kind of thing, but then 
long at the front? 

589
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,080
Oh my goodness, I can't imagine.
That on you and I remember, 

590
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:22,640
Yeah. 
And it was peroxide, really 

591
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,160
blonde. 
And when I was at university, 

592
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,560
there were two Rosies in our 
halls of residence and I was 

593
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:32,800
known as rosy haircuts. 
It was like the other one was 

594
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,400
dozy rosy, which is so good, and
rosy haircuts. 

595
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,560
So I always liked having a look 
kind of thing. 

596
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,560
But it would change. 
And as my dad said in his 

597
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:46,400
wedding speech, there was the 
pola next phase, the peroxide 

598
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,680
hair phase, the leather jacket 
face I. 

599
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,000
Love it the baggy. 
Jeans, you know the all St. 

600
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,800
The sort of look, the Maharashi 
trouser face. 

601
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,000
So and then what were you 
married in? 

602
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:04,160
And then I married in. 
Actually, I was kind of ahead of

603
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:08,360
my time here because I borrowed 
A gown because I found wedding 

604
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,880
dress shopping really stressful 
and I really didn't enjoy it. 

605
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,520
And I look horrendous in white 
dresses. 

606
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,000
They just don't do anything for 
me. 

607
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,080
And I remember traipsing around 
all of these traditional wedding

608
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:24,360
shops feeling I just wanted to 
cry often after the appointment 

609
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,960
because I think I just don't 
look right in any of this. 

610
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,480
And then I went to my wedding 
dress was from Alberta Ferretti,

611
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:36,159
who I love as as a designer, 
always have done. 

612
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,360
And it was in a sample sale. 
And I just happened to see it 

613
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,000
there because I always used to 
go to these sample sales, you 

614
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:48,120
know, get invited as an editor. 
And I saw it there and I tried 

615
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,120
it on and I just absolutely fell
in love with it. 

616
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,440
And they said, well, you can 
just have it borrow it to get 

617
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,200
married in. 
Because I was like, I don't even

618
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,320
need this. 
I didn't feel like I needed to 

619
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,480
buy my. 
I didn't want my wedding dress 

620
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:02,960
forever, which is lucky because 
I've got 2. 

621
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,680
Boys now, so there wouldn't be 
anyone to hand it down to. 

622
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:11,920
And I, I wore that dress and it 
was perfect and I loved it and I

623
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:16,240
felt so like me in it. 
So it was very typical, typical 

624
00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:20,360
Alberta Ferretti, very sort of 
delicate and it was like an off 

625
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:24,440
white color, almost like a 
peachy sort of creamy kind of 

626
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,880
color. 
It had a very light chiffon over

627
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:31,000
a beaded tight fitting dress 
underneath. 

628
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:35,640
And yeah, it had sort of thin 
straps of the beading, very 

629
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,880
flattering sort of shape around 
the body and then flared out and

630
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,120
it was floor length. 
They had a little bit of train 

631
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,400
on the back and then this very 
light shift on kind of over the 

632
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,720
top. 
Did you feel any floaty? 

633
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:51,360
Did you feel any pressure when 
you were at your wedding not to 

634
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,800
destroy it? 
Yeah, but I did actually put my 

635
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,760
heel through it pretty much 
just. 

636
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,840
Before I went to walk down the 
aisle, but by that point I was 

637
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:03,320
like, oh, well, it's fine. 
And they took it back fine. 

638
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,680
They understood I had a great 
relationship with them there. 

639
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,120
And they they did say, look, you
can buy it, you know, a really 

640
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:10,960
reduced rate. 
And I thought, I've sort of worn

641
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,200
it now. 
I've been there, done that. 

642
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:18,600
Yeah, so I was ahead of my time 
borrowing, but that dress I 

643
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,560
loved and I wore actually a 
brooch that had with my 

644
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:25,000
grandmother's that I put at the 
front and it felt perfect and I 

645
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,560
didn't want to take it off. 
And I wore it for the whole day 

646
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,160
and danced in it all night and 
just loved it. 

647
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:36,360
During your years as an editor, 
did you ever reach out to the 

648
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:42,480
fashion editors to say Style Me,
give me a new look, or any of 

649
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:46,360
that? 
Well, I sort of obviously knew 

650
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:50,680
our fashion team very well and 
and got to know lots of fashion 

651
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,320
PR. 
So I would often get loaned 

652
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,800
dresses and things for big 
events. 

653
00:36:56,240 --> 00:36:59,960
I remember this Dolchinger Barna
dress that I wore for it was 

654
00:36:59,960 --> 00:37:04,120
Hello's 20th birthday I think, 
or 15th something like that. 

655
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:08,280
And when I was panicking about 
what to wear and, and they, 

656
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,120
yeah, loaned me that dress, 
which I absolutely loved. 

657
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:14,880
And I, I feel really lucky to 
have worked in that industry so 

658
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:19,080
that I could try things as I 
think it's so hard to know often

659
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:20,840
you know, what is going to work 
on you. 

660
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,440
So being able to go with APR 
into the changing rooms of the 

661
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,800
shop and then say why don't you 
try all of this and give you 

662
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,960
honest feedback was always 
really great. 

663
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:36,680
Any fashion disasters? 
Oh, just two high heels. 

664
00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:40,400
That is always a disaster. 
I mean, I now steer clear of 

665
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,480
them at all costs. 
I've got very sensible heel 

666
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:48,280
heights on today and and I have 
done many a party where I've 

667
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,200
just thought why the hell did I 
wear this? 

668
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,400
Because I can't walk around like
I want to. 

669
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:56,880
Or can't take enough neurofence?
Yeah, it's the worst, worst 

670
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:58,800
feeling. 
There's nothing worse than I'll 

671
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:00,880
fitting shoes and ones that are 
too high. 

672
00:38:01,240 --> 00:38:05,240
What shoe or what heel do you 
reach for when you know you want

673
00:38:05,240 --> 00:38:08,480
to be in a heel that will be 
comfortable for you to? 

674
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:12,440
Wear Do you know what these are 
from M&S and they're just really

675
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,920
comfortable. 
And I go through heels quickly 

676
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,880
because I do sort of traipse and
I like to walk everywhere. 

677
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:23,080
So probably if I'm going for a 
heel boot, it will be something 

678
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,840
very standard. 
You know, I've got some sort of 

679
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,000
best shoes. 
I've got a pair of Labutans, 

680
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,080
I've got my Jimmy Choos that I 
wore for my wedding day. 

681
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,000
But although I did swap out of 
those and put on a more comfy 

682
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:38,480
pair later on, I felt like I 
should have them because it was 

683
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,720
my wedding day. 
Your wedding shoe. 

684
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:42,920
I'm sort of shedding all of that
now. 

685
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,160
I'm just going to wear what I 
feel comfortable in. 

686
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:46,960
I've embraced trainers a lot 
more. 

687
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,120
I never used to wear trainers 
really, was always a kind of 

688
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,120
smart, smartish person. 
And now? 

689
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:57,480
But also Hello had a very smart 
aura about it. 

690
00:38:57,720 --> 00:39:01,960
I guess I felt slightly pressure
to dress a certain way, you 

691
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,600
know? 
I was going to ask you that did 

692
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:09,120
do you feel like you've ever 
dressed the part more than 

693
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,040
you've dressed you? 
Well, no, I do think I have 

694
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:16,280
dressed me always, but I've 
definitely I enjoyed getting 

695
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:20,160
dressed up for work. 
So I quite like that of going 

696
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,360
into the office and thinking 
what am I going to wear and I'm 

697
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,600
going to be well put together. 
But I think I was always aware 

698
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,240
that when you're the face of a 
brand like that, you are 

699
00:39:28,240 --> 00:39:31,480
representing that title. 
And I think it's really 

700
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,560
important that you look, the 
parks people expect you to. 

701
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,640
Although often when I got to 
know people, they would say, oh,

702
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:39,080
you're not like what we 
imagined. 

703
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,360
The editor of Hello. 
To be like and I think what? 

704
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,040
Would you have imagined? 
I think they thought some really

705
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:48,200
high society kind of And I I've 
always been more accessible. 

706
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:49,560
Yes. 
Yeah. 

707
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:53,400
And I've always sort of prided 
myself on that, that being me 

708
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,160
within that is really important.
Yeah. 

709
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:00,480
Because yeah, we're not. 
We shouldn't be judged, you 

710
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:04,000
know, by anything other than how
we really are. 

711
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:11,880
How would you want someone to 
describe your style DNA in three

712
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:12,520
words? 
Oh. 

713
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:18,280
Gosh, I think, well, I'm always,
I'm quite a colour person and 

714
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,240
colour has a huge impact on my 
mood. 

715
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:25,960
So even today when I thought I 
quite I'm really into black, I 

716
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:29,760
wear a lot of black trousers and
a shirt that has sort of become 

717
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,480
my go to for midlife dressing, I
think. 

718
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,760
But I do like a silk shirt. 
This one's by Tabitha Web. 

719
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,400
But it but the colour really, 
really lifts me. 

720
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:44,360
Yeah, I like to show a bit of 
personality and I think colour 

721
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:45,760
helps me to do that. 
So. 

722
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,920
Colour. 
Yeah, so colour. 

723
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:55,320
Gosh. 
Come, I have to be comfortable. 

724
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,680
It's really important because I 
can't be myself if I don't feel 

725
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,200
comfortable. 
And that starts with the shoes, 

726
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,880
without a doubt. 
Jewelry I really like. 

727
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,320
So I do like accessorizing 
things. 

728
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,320
So I've learned as I've got 
older as well that less is more,

729
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,960
that I don't need to go for it 
fully in my outfit, but I can 

730
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,760
let the jewelry do some talking.
I like an earring. 

731
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:21,240
Comfort. 
Accessorized. 

732
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:25,480
Yes, Accessorized. 
I'm not putting words in your 

733
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:25,720
mouth. 
I. 

734
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:27,760
Think most will be the three? 
That's good. 

735
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,280
Like that, would you say you've 
got a style icon? 

736
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,920
I have lots of different style 
icons. 

737
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:38,920
I notice what people wear and I 
like to take influence from 

738
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,880
that. 
Recently I started to notice 

739
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,800
Mariella Fostrop was wearing 
because I always look at people 

740
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,760
the next and you I've always 
looked at as well your 

741
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:52,200
effortless, classic style of how
you can have a jumper like that 

742
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,720
and but mix it, it still looks 
sexy. 

743
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:59,440
I think you do that really well.
And Mariella, I noticed because 

744
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,920
she was wearing a lot of suits 
and I'd been starting to think I

745
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:07,720
really want a couple of good 
suits for this next era of me. 

746
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:11,640
And so I took a lot of notice of
where her suits were from and 

747
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,360
how she was wearing them. 
Because I think it's, it's not 

748
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,560
just where they're from, it's 
how they're being. 

749
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:20,080
Worn and she she has trainers 
exactly she. 

750
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:21,920
Keeps it very cool. 
She does. 

751
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,840
And youthful? 
Yes, in the way she puts it 

752
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:28,440
together, either with a T-shirt 
or a yeah, a sweater underneath.

753
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,280
And I've that's it. 
I'm far more to look at real 

754
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,240
women rather than images in 
magazines. 

755
00:42:34,240 --> 00:42:37,640
If I'm honest anymore, I want to
see how real women are wearing. 

756
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,880
Them, yes. 
But I want to see how real women

757
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:44,240
are wearing them. 
And I bought a suit from Sandro.

758
00:42:44,240 --> 00:42:47,720
I really like Sandro clothes 
because I like that slightly 

759
00:42:47,720 --> 00:42:52,120
sort of the masculine tailoring 
of trousers, but they're also 

760
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:55,040
feminine as well. 
I think that brand does that 

761
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:56,960
really well. 
So I bought, and it's actually 

762
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,800
turquoise, this suit, and I love
it. 

763
00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:01,000
I mean, I haven't really worn 
it. 

764
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,480
I need to start just wearing it 
all the time because I love 

765
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,120
spring. 
Yeah, it's not really winter, 

766
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,600
it's definitely more spring 
summer, but I I can wear that 

767
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:13,000
just with AT shirt underneath or
I could just wear the trousers 

768
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,760
with the shirt if I want a bit 
of a boost and a pop of. 

769
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,200
Colour justifying that purchase,
yeah. 

770
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:20,920
Maybe slightly. 
Yes. 

771
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:27,000
Does your weight or perception 
of your body affect your 

772
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,120
clothing choices? 
Yes it does. 

773
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:34,680
And I think I'm very of the day 
and of the moment because I feel

774
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:38,480
like as women we look and feel 
slightly different every day if 

775
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,760
we're completely honest. 
And I feel like my body looks 

776
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,520
and feels different every. 
Day at the moment as well. 

777
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:49,080
And I find it really hard to 
plan too far in advance, like 

778
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,240
I'm not someone that can lay out
their wardrobe for the week like

779
00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:54,400
Joe Elvin. 
Oh my God, wardrobe. 

780
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:57,800
I look at that every Sunday 
night. 

781
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,800
I think I. 
Quite aspire. 

782
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:02,280
To that. 
I wish I could and I get it from

783
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,800
an organizational perspective, 
but I will wake up like today. 

784
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,880
It was not a dress day. 
I just would have felt weird in 

785
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:10,200
a dress. 
It just wasn't right. 

786
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:16,360
Like I kind of I'm very of the 
moment, but then I do have my go

787
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,360
TOS that are of the flavor of 
the month kind of thing that I'm

788
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,640
particularly into. 
But then I love, you know, 

789
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,960
recently we're actually having 
our some building work done at 

790
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,880
home, having a new master 
bedroom where I'll finally have 

791
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:31,480
a proper walk in wardrobe room, 
which I've been desperate for 

792
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,080
for years. 
Because currently my wardrobe is

793
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,560
in sort of three different 
wardrobes around the house. 

794
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:41,360
And it drives me mad. 
And I have been sort of trying 

795
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,640
to get my clothes in order ready
for it. 

796
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,320
And I have rediscovered a number
of things. 

797
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,840
And that's such a joy. 
I'm really into the yeah, the 

798
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:53,200
fact that you don't need new. 
I'm trying to be really 

799
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,560
conscious of buying less and 
rediscovering things. 

800
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,800
I wore some leather trousers on 
Monday that I completely forgot 

801
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,800
I had in my wardrobe. 
I had some on this morning that 

802
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:04,680
I had forgotten. 
Yeah. 

803
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:06,480
And then I put them on. 
I thought they felt. 

804
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,040
Great. 
Absolutely. 

805
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,280
Yeah, absolutely. 
Talking about being a mood 

806
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:22,360
dresser during your three weeks 
of proper burnout removal from 

807
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:28,560
work, do you remember what you 
reached for to slightly cocoon 

808
00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:31,000
you or uplift you or. 
Comfort you? 

809
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:35,640
Yeah, I am a comfy's person at 
home and often if I've had a 

810
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:39,120
busy day out in town that I've 
been quite smart for, I will 

811
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,000
think, actually I'm just going 
to get changed out. 

812
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:45,520
I won't stay wearing a suit 
jacket or whatever at home and I

813
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:49,160
will put on, I've got like a 
couple of cashmere twin sets. 

814
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:53,360
That are my ultimate. 
When I was ill last week, that's

815
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,240
what I wore. 
What sort of joggers? 

816
00:45:55,280 --> 00:46:00,720
Joggers and a jumper and I love 
that in the winter, so I'll put 

817
00:46:00,720 --> 00:46:05,680
though that on. 
And yeah, and I think during 

818
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:09,000
that time I was definitely down 
dressing. 

819
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:13,480
And I do like a pair of jeans 
and a nice long jumper that's 

820
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:18,040
baggy and feels cozy. 
I like to feel cozy and 

821
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:19,800
slippers. 
I am. 

822
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:25,560
I'm a 200% a slipper person. 
I love slippers when I'm at 

823
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:27,160
home. 
Now are they? 

824
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:31,880
They're Lammers Sheepskin. 
Yes, yeah, I've got a couple of 

825
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,920
pair and actually quite a few 
people bought me slippers for. 

826
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,280
Christmas this year, so I'm 
really happy. 

827
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,600
So my favorite pair pairs of 
slippers. 

828
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:43,920
So I've got a lovely pair that 
Grace Foda gave to me. 

829
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,520
Actually, do you know? 
Grace, who founded Studio 10 

830
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:48,240
Makeup. 
She lives locally to me and 

831
00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:50,880
we've become friends and she 
bought me because we discussed 

832
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:54,600
slippers A sheepskin pair with 
my their initials on the. 

833
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,080
Front of gorgeous. 
That's sort of like my feather 

834
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:59,600
ray feather. 
That's where they're from, yeah.

835
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,600
And I've got other sheepskin 
ones that sell that I've had for

836
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:07,480
a long time and really comfy. 
I've got some fluffy cream ones.

837
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:11,440
There's nothing better than 
proper sheepskin though, is 

838
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,600
there? 
Because it's sort of you don't 

839
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:14,320
get too. 
Hot. 

840
00:47:14,720 --> 00:47:16,320
You don't get, you know, they 
warm. 

841
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:17,640
You up? 
Yeah, you're right. 

842
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:21,600
And they're classic. 
Gorgeous, gorgeous. 

843
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:26,480
Now you must have worked with 
hundreds of celebrities during 

844
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:32,240
your time at Hello magazine. 
Do you remember any particularly

845
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:36,400
tricky wardrobe moments you're 
not allowed to talk about 

846
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:37,880
You're. 
Going to say people and I'm 

847
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:43,040
always like I would never say. 
Oh gosh, I did have a wardrobe 

848
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:46,840
moment actually a couple of 
years ago when it was the 

849
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:51,120
Platinum Jubilee, when the Queen
was still around and I hosted a 

850
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:54,360
party with Dame Joan Collins, 
who I adore. 

851
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:57,040
We became very close. 
Hello. 

852
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:00,120
And she still is someone I 
consider a great friend. 

853
00:48:00,240 --> 00:48:03,520
I really love her. 
And we were hosting a party 

854
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:08,760
together and she arrived. 
I'd helped her find the right 

855
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:12,960
dress, actually, through a 
personal shopper at Phoenix, and

856
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,520
she came in this dress and I 
sort of felt half responsible. 

857
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:19,920
She looked amazing. 
And then she sat down in the 

858
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,840
corner and then stood up and it 
split all the way. 

859
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:24,200
I remember. 
Were you there? 

860
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,880
Yeah, that. 
Party had split all the way down

861
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:31,680
the back and I was like, oh God.
And I felt kind of responsible. 

862
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:35,200
But luckily she had a big 
feather boa and she just said to

863
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,840
me, Rosie, you're just going to 
have to stay next to me and 

864
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,080
we're going to have to sit in 
the corner for. 

865
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:45,440
Until Percy was sent her husband
back home to the house, luckily 

866
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,440
not too far away, to go and get 
a replacement dress. 

867
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,720
And it was like Joan invited 
everybody for an audience. 

868
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,280
So we had to get people to come 
up to the table because she 

869
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:55,400
couldn't stand up. 
But. 

870
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,960
What was lovely is she was so 
open about it. 

871
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,080
I can't get up because my 
dresses I. 

872
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:06,880
Loved again which of these 
things happen and Percy arrived 

873
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,920
with the replacement and I sort 
of she had shadowed her from 

874
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,520
mind. 
To a space where she could get 

875
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:14,640
changed. 
So these things happen to the 

876
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:17,520
best of us, even Dejan Collins. 
Exactly. 

877
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,240
And let's talk about aging for a
moment. 

878
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:26,440
Are you? 
Is age a consideration as to how

879
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,920
you dress? 
Not really. 

880
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,920
I wouldn't say that age is a 
consideration. 

881
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:37,400
It's more I don't ever think, 
oh, I'm, you know, entering my 

882
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:39,480
50s, I shouldn't wear that or I 
should. 

883
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,320
I think. 
I think it's probably more body 

884
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:45,000
shape and how I feel. 
It's the biggest consideration. 

885
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:50,840
I don't dress to look young, you
know, I dress, I remember 

886
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:54,320
actually in previous roles 
dressing to look older because I

887
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:56,480
felt like I was quite young in 
my role. 

888
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:00,880
Even when I started at hello and
was joint editor, initially I 

889
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:04,000
but she tried to look older 
because I felt people didn't 

890
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:05,880
take me seriously. 
They were like, oh, you're the 

891
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:07,880
editor. 
I seemed young. 

892
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:11,320
So that's quite interesting 
actually. 

893
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,600
I hadn't thought really about 
that for a while. 

894
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,960
But I also think we're probably 
dressing younger. 

895
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,600
Yeah, we ever have. 
Yeah, maybe. 

896
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,240
I mean, I'm interested. 
I take fashion influences from 

897
00:50:22,240 --> 00:50:24,760
all ages. 
I mentioned Mariella earlier 

898
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:29,360
because I do sort of tend to 
look perhaps older to just see, 

899
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:33,280
you know, where I might be going
and how they're dressing. 

900
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,320
But I take influence from 
younger people as well. 

901
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:40,800
I think it's all I don't need to
be defined by age at all. 

902
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,280
Are your boys very vocal on what
you wear? 

903
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:49,960
Yeah, well interestingly they 
are interested in fashion. 

904
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:53,000
One of them in particular has 
got a very unique way of 

905
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,360
dressing and it was amazing 
actually when they had a non 

906
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:59,960
uniform day at school. 
This was a a couple of years ago

907
00:50:59,960 --> 00:51:08,000
now and he decided to wear a 
kilt with socks and trainers and

908
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,000
then like AT shirt and a 
sweatshirt and he styled it and 

909
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,200
he has half his hair plaited the
other half long. 

910
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:20,440
And he was he's just a unique 
style and he absolutely rocked 

911
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:22,320
it. 
He looks amazing. 

912
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:25,720
Scottish. 
He yeah, well, half Scottish, 

913
00:51:25,720 --> 00:51:27,800
yeah, got family from the Isle 
of Arran, but. 

914
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:31,240
So, so the kilt he's he's. 
Been. 

915
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:33,280
Yeah, he was influenced, 
definitely, yeah. 

916
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,480
Because yeah, the surname 
Macmillan. 

917
00:51:35,720 --> 00:51:39,400
So they, they know what is the 
Macmillan tartan. 

918
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:40,960
So they've been interested in 
that. 

919
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,320
And he and I just thought how 
amazing. 

920
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:47,720
So I really hope he keeps this 
sort of unique identity. 

921
00:51:47,720 --> 00:51:51,080
And obviously I encourage it and
I really love it. 

922
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:53,440
Occasionally if we're in shops 
together and they take an 

923
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:57,640
interest and often they will say
to me and yeah. 

924
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:00,080
And, and him in particular, you 
know, if I'm going out for a 

925
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,280
night and often I'll be like, 
oh, I don't know which shoes to 

926
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:03,640
wear. 
Should I wear these or those? 

927
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:06,360
And he'll have, and I'll ask 
them and they'll have an opinion

928
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,320
and I'll trust them. 
I don't know whether that's. 

929
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:11,400
The right thing to do. 
And you're hubby? 

930
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:13,960
Yeah, so his. 
Style has evolved. 

931
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:15,400
I mean, it's quite funny 
actually. 

932
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:19,080
When we first met, I had to 
change his style of jeans 

933
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:22,800
because they were not good. 
I was kind of like, I really 

934
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,720
like you, but we have to do 
something about these jeans. 

935
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:26,720
Why? 
What would they? 

936
00:52:26,720 --> 00:52:29,840
He always jokes about that. 
They were kind of flappy. 

937
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:34,880
They were like, not good. 
But he's probably be very good 

938
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:35,600
right now. 
A lot. 

939
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,480
Better now I can let. 
Him go out shopping on his own 

940
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:41,040
and he'll come back. 
He, yeah, I think for men as 

941
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:44,080
well, it's hard to know what 
your style is. 

942
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:48,000
And now he's got no hair, so he 
always wears caps and they 

943
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,600
really, really suit him. 
So he's got a huge array of 

944
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:53,840
caps. 
And then he discovered sort of 

945
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:58,280
bell stuff a number of years ago
and that's his sort of look with

946
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:00,520
their jackets. 
They just really work on him. 

947
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:04,160
Love it. 
Let's talk about travel. 

948
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:07,840
Are you a good Packer? 
Bad Packer. 

949
00:53:08,240 --> 00:53:12,440
Probably an over Packer. 
I try to not be. 

950
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:17,360
OK, now rumor has it I know for 
a fact actually you have a 

951
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:20,160
campervan. 
Oh yes, you cannot be an over 

952
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:24,160
Packer with a campervan, no. 
So how do you deal with that? 

953
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,360
Yeah. 
And actually I was so nervous 

954
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,680
about that because. 
We went away in the campervan 

955
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:30,440
last summer for a number of 
weeks. 

956
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:32,000
I'm. 
Nervous because of how much you 

957
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:33,840
could do. 
Yeah, how am I going to deal 

958
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:37,680
with this capsule wardrobe? 
Actually, summer is so much 

959
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:42,400
easier because and, and I had to
remind myself normally when I'm 

960
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:46,560
on holiday, you wear the same 
few things that you really love 

961
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,600
over and over again. 
So I had to be really strict and

962
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:53,000
think I'm only going to put in 
there things I really love that 

963
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:54,880
you just think I can't. 
I'm definitely going to want to 

964
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:58,360
wear that today, but not the 
things that I should think I 

965
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:00,400
should be wearing. 
Was it quite a cathartic 

966
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,240
process? 
Yeah, it was actually, and it 

967
00:54:03,240 --> 00:54:06,440
was really liberating. 
I mean, we did do washing along 

968
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,680
the way as well as we really 
needed to and there was still a 

969
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:11,880
little bit of space. 
So I think I bought one dress 

970
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,400
while I was away as well from a 
French market. 

971
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:18,480
It was like a nice thing to do, 
a little silk dress I picked up 

972
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:23,960
and, and it was actually, it was
really liberating just having 

973
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:27,600
the freedom of not much stuff. 
And we, we did as part of that 

974
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:31,480
holiday, we stayed in a hotel 
for a few nights in the middle 

975
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:33,040
of it. 
And actually all of us couldn't 

976
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:34,520
wait to get back in the van 
again. 

977
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:36,960
We were like, oh, it's so 
limiting being in a hotel. 

978
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:40,720
We just want to be free and hit 
the road and just make our food.

979
00:54:40,720 --> 00:54:42,120
And it was lovely. 
What? 

980
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:48,560
Fun wardrobe secrets What, if 
anything, do you feel you've got

981
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:50,760
an excessive amount of in your 
wardrobe? 

982
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:57,600
Coats and bags. 
And as an editor, did you get 

983
00:54:57,720 --> 00:55:01,040
given a? 
Lot of bags get given some bags,

984
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:04,520
yes. 
And I, yeah. 

985
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:07,760
And actually, every time I've 
published a book, I've bought 

986
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:11,360
myself a bag. 
Yes, but I think a gift to self 

987
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:14,520
to mark time, it is a lovely 
thing to do. 

988
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:16,120
Yes. 
And was it always a bag? 

989
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:19,760
It was always a bag and when the
stylist came out, I bought 

990
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:23,800
myself that Anya Hindmarsh bag 
with the eyes on it everybody, 

991
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:28,320
because I loved it and I was 
just like at my launch party, I 

992
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:32,360
want to have this bag. 
And then Rosie Green, Amber 

993
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:34,240
Green, Amber Green takes 
Manhattan. 

994
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:36,720
What was that? 
For that one I definitely did, 

995
00:55:36,720 --> 00:55:39,560
but it might have been a Gucci 
crossbody bags. 

996
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:44,320
I'd had my eye on one of those 
for a while and now I've got to 

997
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:47,800
think as I've got a new novel 
out this summer, maybe that'll 

998
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:50,320
be what another. 
Slurge is it going to be? 

999
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:54,760
But they feel really treaty and 
I like them because they age 

1000
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,520
well. 
Although as I said, I'm into 

1001
00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:01,720
keeping things a bit leaner now 
and actually digging out. 

1002
00:56:01,720 --> 00:56:04,760
Maybe I should just wear my 
Anohimash bag from the stylist. 

1003
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:09,560
I mean, on that note, what's 
your approach to sustainable? 

1004
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:10,160
Fashion. 
Yeah. 

1005
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:13,600
Well, yeah, I've, I've been 
thinking about it a lot recently

1006
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:16,720
because I've actually started 
selling some items on Vintid. 

1007
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:20,040
And how's it going? 
Really, well actually I mean it 

1008
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:22,080
was became a bit of a full time.
Job. 

1009
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:24,880
For, well, that that is what 
worries me about sending. 

1010
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:28,640
Things off and like getting 
confused about which Postal 

1011
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:32,960
Service to use, so I've kind of 
cooled it down a bit now. 

1012
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:37,040
But it's a great bank account. 
You're looking for something. 

1013
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:40,240
You know, I have got this pair 
of Russell and Bromley boots 

1014
00:56:40,240 --> 00:56:44,080
that I have worn to death I 
absolutely love and that 

1015
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:45,800
obviously they don't sell them 
anymore. 

1016
00:56:46,240 --> 00:56:48,720
And I was and they've they're 
kind of they've they've just 

1017
00:56:48,720 --> 00:56:50,840
been worn too much. 
They're really running out. 

1018
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,760
I've had them re healed a 
million times and resold just 

1019
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:55,760
scruffy. 
And I found a replacement pair 

1020
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:59,440
on vintage, which was amazing. 
A good feeling, isn't it? 

1021
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:03,440
So I think it makes you be 
really purposeful and mindful 

1022
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:06,400
about what you really need and 
what you really, really want, 

1023
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:09,720
and less sort of just making 
purchases for the sake of it. 

1024
00:57:09,720 --> 00:57:14,080
I don't want to do that anymore.
And I want to spend well on 

1025
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,920
things that are going to last 
and that will feel like 

1026
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:18,840
treasures when I get them out of
my wardrobe again. 

1027
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:22,800
And I just won't feel that way 
about a lot of fast fashion. 

1028
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:29,680
And it won't last. 
Where do you sell or gift your 

1029
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:34,520
clothes? 
I I've given stuff to charity, a

1030
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:40,960
lot to friends and smart works 
is amazing actually it's a 

1031
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,040
really good place to get close 
to. 

1032
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:46,000
I did for a while. 
I've dabbled in other sort of 

1033
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:51,600
second hand resale sites, but 
I've gone through phases with 

1034
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:54,280
them. 
Because it's quite a lot of 

1035
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:56,560
admin, isn't it? 
Yeah, it is. 

1036
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:57,720
It is. 
Yeah. 

1037
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:00,520
I like the ones that will just 
come and collect it all and then

1038
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:04,920
sort it all out. 
Vintage is a lot of admin, but 

1039
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:08,720
it but it is becoming a sort of 
job for lots of people I know 

1040
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:13,560
and it's great. 
I think the circular nature of 

1041
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:15,440
fashion, I mean, it's so 
important. 

1042
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:17,880
I think it's really a really a 
good thing. 

1043
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:20,320
Yeah. 
Do you ever have clothes sort of

1044
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:24,360
upcycled or altered to give them
a new? 

1045
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:25,880
Yeah. 
Occasionally if I'd love 

1046
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:28,960
something, yeah, I've got a 
brilliant dry cleaners who's 

1047
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:32,120
also a tailor that's near to me 
and I'll go in there and get 

1048
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:34,600
something altered slightly. 
And that's really satisfying 

1049
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:38,240
feeling actually when you 
breathe new life into something 

1050
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:41,880
or it's got a hole in it or 
doesn't work in a certain way or

1051
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:44,360
you can get the hems taken up to
change the look. 

1052
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:49,120
I did that recently with a a 
sort of cat suit that I've, that

1053
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:51,680
was always just a bit too. 
I didn't wear it and then I 

1054
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:53,400
thought, well, but I love it on 
the top. 

1055
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:56,960
So I'm going to actually spend a
bit of money getting it altered 

1056
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:58,560
so that I can wear it. 
And now I can. 

1057
00:58:58,560 --> 00:58:59,720
And that's. 
And I love. 

1058
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:00,680
It. 
Yeah, great. 

1059
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:04,280
Great. 
What would you say is the oldest

1060
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:09,120
piece in your wardrobe? 
Probably that coat of my 

1061
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:14,120
grandmother's, yeah. 
And some of her jewellery, I 

1062
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:15,840
would say. 
And I've got a handbag as well 

1063
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:19,120
that belonged to my other granny
who was a hair stylist, used to 

1064
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:23,400
work in the Ritz, actually. 
Long, yeah, obviously long, long

1065
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:26,600
time ago where the Queen used to
go in there to get her hair cut 

1066
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:30,400
when she was a child. 
And I've got one of her handbags

1067
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:33,560
that I love as well. 
It's a very formal black lower 

1068
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:36,360
handbag. 
And I just won't let go of those

1069
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:38,240
pieces. 
They're they're heirlooms. 

1070
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:41,480
Spin on some quick fire 
questions. 

1071
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:45,680
What fashion advice would you 
give your 20 year old self? 

1072
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:52,560
The you. 
Which fashion trend or era would

1073
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:54,480
you most like to see make a 
comeback? 

1074
00:59:55,920 --> 01:00:00,280
Well, I loved watching Rivals 
recently for all of the 80s 

1075
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:04,320
fashion and the power dressing 
and the cinched in waists and 

1076
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:09,040
the shoulder pads, so I loved 
that era. 

1077
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:11,800
Lot of naked bottoms too. 
There were a lot of naked 

1078
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:14,600
bottoms, but it's such brilliant
escapism. 

1079
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:17,760
They must have had so much fun 
dressing up in all of those 

1080
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:20,840
items so. 
I loved all of that. 

1081
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:22,960
I don't know that I'd want to 
power dress. 

1082
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,320
Like that every day. 
Or wear a puffball skirt. 

1083
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:28,320
But it does take you back hats, 
yeah. 

1084
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:32,960
Fashionable beauty trend that 
you would consign to room 101. 

1085
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:40,880
Oh God, some of the tie dyed 
T-shirts that I wore from Camden

1086
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:42,960
Market. 
Not good. 

1087
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:49,440
Your last impulse buy? 
Actually, that was some trainers

1088
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:52,040
on vintage that were pretty much
the same as some as. 

1089
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:56,880
Some other trainers that I've. 
Got yeah, and I did, as the 

1090
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:59,520
minute my finger hit the button 
I thought I don't really need 

1091
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:02,000
those, but there we are. 
They can go back up there. 

1092
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:05,720
They can go back up there, true.
Your views on tattoos. 

1093
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:10,840
I have got a number of small 
tattoos, tiny ones, tiny ones. 

1094
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:13,800
Yeah, my group of girlfriends, 
we have all got this. 

1095
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:17,480
Where's it gone? 
There it is, Lightning Bolt, 

1096
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:22,200
which I had in New York with my 
friends, and it's like a we kind

1097
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:25,400
of recharge each other. 
So I wouldn't be against getting

1098
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:27,520
others. 
That's a heart that's in that my

1099
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:31,440
son Drew, and an Infinity sign 
for my other son, so. 

1100
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:34,800
Beauty treatment you couldn't 
give up. 

1101
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:40,360
It's not a treatment so much but
mascara. 

1102
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:43,240
I have got fair eyelashes which 
is. 

1103
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:45,400
I've got good eyelashes. 
I've got. 

1104
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:48,840
Good eyelashes, but I look like 
a rabbit without. 

1105
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:51,320
Mascara on. 
I cannot be without it. 

1106
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:55,040
My fear would be if mascara got 
banned I wouldn't be able to 

1107
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:57,880
leave that. 
High end or High Street? 

1108
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:01,840
Probably high end. 
Bling or bare? 

1109
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:06,480
Somewhere in between. 
Minimalism or maximalism? 

1110
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:12,240
I think in the middle as well. 
I can do both, but I'm 

1111
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:15,680
comfortable in the middle. 
Couture or charity shop? 

1112
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:20,960
Charity shop, Crocs, cute or 
puke? 

1113
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:25,320
Puke all. 
My boys wear Crocs, puke for me 

1114
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:28,080
but great for them. 
Sneakers or stilettos? 

1115
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:33,160
Sneakers. 
Birkin or Chanel as in bags? 

1116
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:36,760
Yeah. 
Chanel boyfriends or wide legs 

1117
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:46,680
boyfriends, Experimental or UU. 
Cashmere or cotton? 

1118
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:49,400
Cashmere. 
Order or editor? 

1119
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:54,840
Oh that's tricky. 
I'm trying to be more of an 

1120
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:57,440
editor. 
You'd be amazed how many people 

1121
01:02:57,440 --> 01:02:58,640
say. 
Really. 

1122
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:03,640
Charity shop or resale? 
Charity shop. 

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01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:07,640
Shapewear or sexy lingerie? 
Sexy lingerie. 

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01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:10,680
Tights or stockings? 
Tights. 

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01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:15,000
Bikini or one piece? 
Have done both more into one 

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01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:17,840
pieces at the moment. 
And finally, traditional last 

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01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:21,560
question, at the end of the day,
do you or don't you wear in bed?

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01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:27,120
Well, I being perimenopausal, I 
get very hot. 

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01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:32,880
In bed at the moment. 
So sometimes nothing, but mostly

1130
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:37,720
something silky. 
And yeah, not too much because I

1131
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:41,400
am like a furnace. 
For all the wrong reasons. 

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01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:47,000
Thank you for sharing, Rosie. 
What a lovely, lovely 

1133
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:49,880
conversation. 
Really enjoyed it, thank you so 

1134
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:52,080
much. 
For the chatted forever. 

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01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:53,080
We could, yeah.