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Today I'm going on a sartorial 
Journey with the wonderful 

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British actor and director, 
Angela and 0 on stage. 

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She's played lead roles with the
Royal Shakespeare company. 

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The National Royal Court and 
Almeida theaters on television, 

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she appeared in two series of 
Doctor Who as Francine Jones 90 

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episodes of the BBC's 
long-running medical drama 

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casualty and EastEnders and oh, 
made her Hollywood debut. 

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You in Autumn 2009, starring as 
Nelson. 

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Mandela's Chief of Staff, Brenda
Master Buco alongside Morgan 

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Freeman, as Mandela in Clint 
Eastwood's drama film, Invictus 

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since 2020, she portrays lady 
Danbury in the Netflix Regency 

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romance series. 
Britain in July 20, 22, and oh, 

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became an honorary fellow of the
Royal Society of literature. 

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She's also an ambassador for 
fair trade and the International

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Rescue committee and oh, also 
directed and starred in. 

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First, major production of 
Richard, the Second with a 

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company entirely made up of 
women of color. 

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So, add you are welcome. 
Thank such an honor to have you 

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here. 
I've been a massive fan of yours

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and then when I saw you on the 
Royal Windsor Horse Show. 

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Oh, just so lovely. 
Had tears, down my eyes. 

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Yeah, wonderful. 
Wonderful voice. 

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And so to be here in person with
you, is such a treat. 

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So thank you for making the 
time. 

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I am going to start right at the
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Okay, say what is your earliest,
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When did you first realize the 
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My mom is 6 foot and she is a 
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and my games mistress, oh my 
God, and she, she's sit up. 

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Straight, stand up, straight, 
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posturing, you know, and she was
one of those those tall girls at

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school. 
Who was told, don't hide your 

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height, you know. 
She was got to play. 

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You know, male leads in school 
plays because it was very sporty

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and all those sorts of things 
and she loves clothes, my mother

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loves clothes, she has in their 
old house, the whole of the top 

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floor was clothes. 
And did you play dress-up when I

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was a kid? 
We were fairly Paul. 

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So mom used to make me. 
She would make you clothes. 

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She would make though, they 
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used to get in the post and they
were usually called Roy and she 

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Would make clothes from those 
she would make clothes from 

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curtains. 
She would crochet, she wouldn't 

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it, she was, she was The 
Fantasticks. 

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You made all my costumes for 
place, you know, and my 

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grandmother did the same fat 
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My grandmother's were great 
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So I come from a family of women
and men actually who love a bit 

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of schmatta. 
They like a nice cut. 

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They never my father at 90, I 
was with him and Garner a couple

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of weeks ago and it taken as 
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morning. 
And dad said, so shall we unpack

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the suitcases I'm thinking as 
1:30 and okay, dad, and my 

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stepmother had? 
I mean, I was getting this 

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beautiful, the handkerchief, the
pocket squares are all 

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beautifully ironed and put in 
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beautifully and I went your 
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He went, yes, she is. 
So I'm adding everything up does

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and I think we're that with that
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1:30 in the morning and he's 
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are gonna So yeah, there's a lot
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outfit that you put on that? 
You went I have the photograph 

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of me. 
I must be four in our garden. 

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In this little village in the 
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dad is taking forever. 
Taking the photograph as, you 

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know, come on, and I'm in the 
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And I'm wearing an olive green 
dress, with Paisley cream, 

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swirls in it, which my mother 
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Neck and in my head I know he's 
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of going. 
Oh, I have to pose and I am 

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standing just sir in my for ages
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Is he ever going to take the 
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But I just, I love that outfit. 
It had long sleeves and they 

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were sort of gathered. 
So they're a bit puffy at the 

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end but I love the cowl neck and
I was a kid that would I would 

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decide I was going to be Pipi 
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tights, my mum's eyeliner. 
You putting this thing on have 

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strike, pee socks. 
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And some skirt, I picked up from
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would troll up and down the one 
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people like her. 
If she comes now, she wearing. 

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So I've yeah, I love clothes. 
I've always liked, I'm 

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interested in the different 
stories we tell by what we 

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choose to put on. 
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Because I often think that 
clothes are armor and I don't 

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mean that in an aggressive way, 
but they are what sits between 

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our naked selves and the world. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

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I agree with you and it's, I'm 
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I'm always interested in, what 
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What is the correct thing for 
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I've because I do think it's a 
huge bit of information that you

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communicate publicly, but you 
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yourself to give you, whatever 
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You need to have in that in that
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up. 
It is, it is, it is, I mean, 

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I've got a million questions to 
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About your costumes but just 
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Yeah, I read recently about your
comments on how inspiring 

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Nichelle Nichols was to you and 
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as a woman of color who was on 
the television, but did her, did

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she inspire you sartorially to? 
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of Swag. 
She had great She was always 

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just, you know, I mean, there 
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uniform that they had on Star 
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But she wore hers with great 
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see really owned it. 
She really didn't. 

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She always just looked fabulous 
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She had she had great 
self-confidence, she had a real 

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twinkle. 
She there was always a bit of an

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eyebrow being raised at 
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Ridiculous, the boys were doing 
and great command over her 

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brief, which was to be the 
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communicator. 
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brilliantly and frankly in the 
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1960s, she was a black woman on 
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and so that was an enormously 
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Yeah, I met her at a. 
There was an awards dinner for, 

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I don't know. 
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in the mid 90s and she was 
being, you know, given a 

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Lifetime Achievement Award. 
And I went to the Loo and I came

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back to do when she was heading.
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tired and it was late. 
She ran after I got into the 

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list for dick with her and her 
partner who must have just 

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thought, oh my god, get this 
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And I just did a whole sort of 
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He would I love mustard meant a 
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She laughed. 
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Yeah, she was really lovely and 
you know, she Martin Luther King

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when she wanted to leave after 
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you have to stay in it. 
You are a role model, we need to

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see women of color like you in 
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Like that in this fantastic 
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That's all about Humanity coming
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universes so it was so ahead of 
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Yes all of that I mean just yeah
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actually always telling a story 
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yeah costumes are fundamental 
yet part of that. 

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Yeah and I always think never 
more so than fabulous lady 

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Danbury yes bro. 
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How much are you actually 
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involved? 
Yeah, love it to me. 

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Well, because I don't, I'm my 
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Lady Danbury. 
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What's her purpose? 
How does she function in, you 

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know, 18th into 19th century, 
upper class Society, everything 

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is performative. 
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I went into the The show, she is
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his Queen Charlotte and we're 
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There's a prequel that shonda's 
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the moment and you get to see 
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Charlotte, and violet Bridgeton.
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who she was. 
How she came to be there and 

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authentically. 
What were the true historical 

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stories that you can sort of 
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drama. 
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to me that when she goes into a 
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It's performative. 
It's always performative. 

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So what is she going to wear to 
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and for me? 
She's not married for a woman in

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that era. 
You were, you didn't have voting

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rights, you were passed from 
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to your husband, or even from 
your eldest, your Mother to your

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husband, or whatever male person
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belonged to you, then belong to 
your husband, you didn't have 

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agency over your life. 
So for me, she's a widow her 

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children live far away and so 
she's the master of our own 

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ship. 
So I wanted to have a masculine 

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feminine feel to her. 
So she wears hats, like the men 

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would like Regency men would. 
She has the cane which? 

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Yes, you can go over. 
Because she's an old woman, but 

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for me, it's also about its 
Pasha, and it's part of the 

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thing. 
She has a shot Len because 

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that's what the men would have. 
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the cuts for her. 
She's very tailored and, you 

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know, her jackets fit just so 
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sleeves are long and they're and
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you know, they never, they're 
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So there's all these sort of 
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that have for me have become 
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armor and you worked very 
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Yeah. 
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Very generous costume 
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Yeah, because I've always loved 
velvet in InDesign and yeah, the

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richness that yes. 
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Eurasian and I couldn't help but
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There's a lot of alpha. 
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Is there a symbolism in that? 
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I like the richness of it and as
an actor working in course It's 

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for sort of 15 hours a day. 
I like the movement of it and I 

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like the flexibility of it. 
There is some of the heavier 

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denser Fabrics, which I don't 
like wearing, cause I feel a bit

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like, I'm inside this sofa, and 
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So the Velvet gives you the sort
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you movement the softness. 
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And I often wonder when you're 
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you're about to go on set, Is 
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A transformative moment or are 
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does the when do you transform 
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lady Danbury, that's a really 
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really know anymore. 
I, I think she's become. 

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I think I'm well, I'm at work. 
I'm probably a more Danbury side

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of Then I am. 
You know what? 

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I'm walking the dog or doing the
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Sainsbury's, you know. 
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about, she comes to work with me
and you know, she's sort of she 

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sort of in there and what once 
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space and with my lines and I'm,
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I think that was one of the 
things when I got sent the 

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original, you know, sides to go 
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I just read it and went, oh, I 
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I know I recognize that, that's 
my mum. 

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That's my Auntie that's my 
grandmother's that my as an 

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actor that must feel wonderful. 
Ya know that the so much of her 

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and you or you in her it was. 
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And sometimes those roles come 
along where you go. 

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Oh yeah. 
So you were talking about them 

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Invictus when you were doing 
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Buco was the same, I got the 
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Out. 
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I know what to do with her. 
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Do you have a favorite look from
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I really love my hats. 
I love a hat. 

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That's just my mummy. 
She loves her hat and do never 

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had outside of of the show. 
Yes. 

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I I it's got a bit hard now 
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popular, but I do love a Baker's
Boy hat, and so I wear them 

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along really suit you. 
Yeah, and I used to wear, when I

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had dreads, I used to have lots 
of big big hat. 

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That's for my hair and my mum 
will crochet me. 

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I wear little skull cap 
sometimes. 

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Now just you know if I'm some I 
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protect your head that sort of 
thing. 

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Yeah. 
You forget to keep any of your 

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costumes. 
No, not. 

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Well, would you want to have 
from other shows? 

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But I mean sometimes they'll be 
a little something. 

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I like I did Blood wedding at 
the Almeida years ago and that 

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and I just have to wear this 
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shirt and I just loved it. 
So I just left the theater with 

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it at the end of the run that 
happens sometimes. 

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Yes let's not dwell on that. 
Just talking about clothes has 

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armor so one of my kids is trans
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them to be able to be in the 
world and manifest as the gender

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that they felt themselves to be 
before they'd had chance to 

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address that in a It's of 
medical way. 

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So clothes were hugely important
about you are like like I'd be 

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able to what anybody can 
imagine, just to go out, feel 

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safe, feel confident, not be 
mispronounced and all that sort 

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of stuff and clothes finding, 
you know, the clothes that 

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allowed the body shape that was 
required to look authentic and 

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present was, it was hugely 
important and were you Part of 

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that process, did you? 
Yeah, we would have those 

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conversations. 
We would also do you go shopping

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together. 
Yeah. 

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Absolutely. 
Absolutely. 

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And those must have been some 
really precious moments as a 

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parent. 
I think so. 

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And and also its performative, 
and I'm a performer. 

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So just in taught in terms of 
talking about posture or Voice 

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or the way you walk, the way you
carry yourself as You know that 

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all adds to the story that 
you're telling with the clothes 

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of the person that you feel 
yourself to be but don't yet 

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physically manifest it all. 
It all was really important to 

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get that to build the picture. 
Yeah. 

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Yeah. 
I mean I know and I love, you 

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know, I love, I love and I sort 
of androgyny. 

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I do like that. 
I'm really interested in that 

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for me. 
I feel I feel quite comfortable 

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in in sort of Gender-neutral e, 
clothes. 

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I'm interested in people being 
who they are as a person. 

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Not conforming to any particular
stereotypes. 

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We have about what a gendered 
person should should be. 

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Do you think that's come with 
age to? 

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Because I have for me, 
definitely. 

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As I as I get older, I love 
being all that. 

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Not today, as you can, well, you
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but I actually love that sort of
androgyny. 

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And and actually being more me 
and my clothes are part of who I

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am but then they're not 
absolute. 

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They're not wearing me. 
Yes. 

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Well that I think that's, that's
always really important. 

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I mean, I loved I loved the 
women's football final I'd 

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loved. 
And I want why I loved it was 

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just about seeing women in their
bodies, you know? 

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Just in their bodies because the
bodies are Thing and it needs to

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get the ball from that end into 
that net. 

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And I there was a freedom in it 
and I sometimes think what's the

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androgyny thing about for me? 
And I think it's something 

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about, I like it, but it's, 
there's a freedom in it because 

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as a woman, there are certain 
even in the 21st century and 

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hip. 
And groovy London, there are 

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sort of subconscious constraints
that we're all still operating 

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within and that the at they 
aren't the and the androgyny 

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thoughts of Gives permission to 
be. 

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And I remember even in my early 
teens people would go, you were 

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going to a boy because my hair 
was so short and I'd be like, 

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yes. 
I'm just me. 

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And I and I, and I think I'm, 
you know. 

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However, many decades later I'm 
still sort of enjoying the, the,

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the times when I can feel sort 
of free. 

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Yeah. 
As a well-known face. 

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Yeah. 
You ever aware of, you know, 

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Popping down to get a pint of 
milk or walk. 

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The dog, am I going to get 
popped? 

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The are sort of very conscious 
of leaving the house and I I've 

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made myself not I schlepp out in
my, you know holy old denim 

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shorts and a vest to walk the 
dog and a pair of old 

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Birkenstocks quite happily. 
And if I get stopped, I get 

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stopped. 
But if people ask me for a photo

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and it's early in the morning 
and I've had two Not sleep. 

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I'll say I'm really fancy it 
today and people are usually 

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pretty lovely. 
Yeah, fundamentally, do you 

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think you dress for yourself, 
your husband, your kids other 

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women, I definitely dress for. 
I dress sometimes I dress for an

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occasion, I will dress for an 
occasion, obviously, build it up

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and sometimes I dress just to 
make myself feel better or to 

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make myself invisible, or 
sometimes I will put Put on a 

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pretty dress for my husband, 
just for that brief moment, 

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where he's not with his Biffy 
old wife for once that she might

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be slightly soft around the 
edges. 

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It's a fiction. 
Obviously, I'm not. 

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But yeah. 
So I will do that. 

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I loved that it seems to me we 
really enjoy fashion is, is bit.

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Would you say being stylish is 
important to you? 

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It's important to me if it makes
me feel, if it makes me feel 

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better if it's a sort of 
enhancement of my mood. 

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If it becomes a stick to beat 
myself with then I want to 

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Swerve away from it. 
Do you ever use a stylist? 

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I have a, I do, I do. 
I do use a stylist and I also, I

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love a good suit, so I get suits
made for me. 

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Now, where do you get those? 
I go to the deck. 

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Oh, lovely. 
It yet I go to Daisy at the deck

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and I love the the whole 
concept. 

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I like the ethos of it, the 
ethos. 

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Yeah. 
A woman on Savile Row. 

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Yes. 
So right, isn't it? 

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Yes, I think so. 
So I love that. 

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In fact I took my mum, we went 
to Wimbledon and then the next 

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day I took her to get a couple 
of Suits. 

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Oh good, good. 
Because she likes a suit to, 

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there's nothing more empowering,
I think than a beautifully cut 

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suit in fact, what I remember of
clip my mum She had a sort of 

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deep aubergine e velvet suit in 
1972 and she used to have her 

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hair up and she'd wear big 
earrings like this and and I 

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just remember my mum in that 
suit and I just remember, being 

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a little girl kind of going. 
My mom looks so beautiful. 

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You know, so I, yeah, it's 
lovely. 

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Those moments, isn't it? 
I remember a few years back 

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doing a brown suede flare. 
Ted fled pant and a brown suede 

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Blazer. 
And remembering that my mother 

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had had something very simple 
similar. 

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Yeah. 
In the 70s and thinking how 

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unbelievably Chic she was. 
Yeah, and and sort of really 

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reliving that moment. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

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Very good one. 
Would you say your weight or 

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perception of your body affects 
your choice of what you wear? 

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Definitely a red. 
And one interview that you never

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really liked your legs, and then
you went back to Ghana realize 

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that you had I'm now an leg. 
Yes. 

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And it will make you more 
accepting. 

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Oh, it was, it was just, there 
is a, there's a, there's a 

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certain leg shape which is a 
flat knee, and no ankles. 

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So your leg just goes. 
And then there's your feet. 

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And that's, that's my legs. 
And, and obviously, because I 

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grew up in the Cotswolds, my 
peer group didn't have legs like

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that. 
We were the Africans for about 

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50 miles. 
I didn't even inherit my 

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mother's six-foot. 
Gorgeous, long legs. 

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I've got my Big R little chunky.
African Stumpy sturdy, sturdy, 

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little leg. 
He's so, but yeah. 

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I went to, I went to Ghana and 
is a bit like, you know, the 

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ugly duckling who finds out that
he's not a duckling. 

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He's Swami's as well and it just
suddenly kind of going. 

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Oh okay does that's just they've
got owe you every last me. 

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Yeah. 
And that was Just reassuring 

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reassuring and kind to yourself.
Yeah, wonderful. 

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What do you reach for when you 
need to feel empowered? 

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I go for a good suit jacket and 
probably a pair of chicken boots

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and jeans. 
Good girl. 

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Yeah, it would you consider to 
be your style icon? 

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I love Katharine Hepburn. 
Mmm, I love her. 

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I loved what I love. 
What she wore. 

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I love the way she wore things. 
There was a sort of confident 

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flamboyance about her that I 
really I really and also that 

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bit of mask Yelena T. 
Totally in there. 

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She will pantsuit fantastic. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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Yeah. 
What do you most enjoy shopping 

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for? 
Do you reckon Well, if I'm 

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honest, I kind of hate shopping 
because when I really look for 

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something, I never find the 
thing. 

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So what I love is The Accidental
shop. 

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So a couple of about a month 
ago, I was in Harvard giving the

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address to the class of twenty 
one, that's quite a drop. 

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That really, it is slang really 
a with no, but I was so touched 

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because they didn't get to That 
thing last year because of 

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covid. 
Yeah, and I've never been to 

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Boston. 
My husband is a novelist and he 

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was also beat specialist so Jack
Kerouac. 

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Massachusetts, all of that stuff
and I've never been to Boston 

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and Katharine. 
Hepburn is a New Englander. 

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So that was an appeal, and I had
half a morning after I'd given 

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the address the night before 
before had to fly back to 

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London. 
And I happened to go to two 

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shops that were next door to 
each other and I walked into one

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shot. 
And I went, oh, I like that. 

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I like and I just did two shops 
and left with bags and that sort

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of, that's me. 
That would be me down for a bit.

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Love, ya, do you think your 
sartorial Church style, has 

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changed through the decades? 
I don't think my tastes have 

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changed. 
I think my body shape has 

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changed. 
And so, to a degree, I've had to

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adapt. 
My taste to the facts on the 

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ground, but I still think I You 
know, I used to wear my dad's 

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suits, his seats from the 50s I 
used to wear them. 

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Oh, I love, you know, for 
viewing those yeah. 

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Yeah. 
With a belt around the waist 

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because they were too big in the
pants. 

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But, um, yeah. 
So what is the one item of 

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clothing? 
That means the most to you, is 

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it something that was your 
dad's? 

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Is it? 
Wishing dress is it? 

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I yeah, I have still. 
I've got the the I do have the 

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the christening dress that I 
wore that my daughter war. 

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And if she ever get my eldest 
daughter and if she ever gets 

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her son, baptized, he'll 
probably be too big for it, but 

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he could wear it to II think 
I've got Apache. 

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What I have got is I've got a 
purple concerned. 

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It's anyway, it's gonna Ian, it 
was made by my grandmother in 

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the 60s for my mum and it's a 
traditional Canadian to piece. 

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So it's a the neck, does that 
sleeves come down to about here?

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It goes in at the waist and has 
a sort of little peplum and then

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it has the skirt. 
That's a bit of a fishtail that 

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comes down to the ankles and I 
don't think it's going to 

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particularly fancy material, but
it was just it's the fact that 

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my grandmother made It my mother
wore it and I wore it at is 

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about using that baptisms I 
worked at the baptism of our two

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youngest and yeah and I and then
you have the extra piece of the 

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the cross. 
It just sits over one shoulder 

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and do you have a node address? 
No. 

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That's that. 
Each a fool is generally that's 

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sort of more Nigeria is going on
saying Nigerian yes. 

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Oh no, I couldn't tie one of 
those. 

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If you paid me. 
A gold cuff them. 

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Yeah, yeah, coming back to 
planning. 

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I would imagine that the 
planning that goes into a 

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perfect red carpet. 
Look is enormous. 

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00:27:03,700 --> 00:27:06,500
Yes, sort of like a wedding 
dress, really? 

448
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,800
Yes. 
Does it fill you with Dread? 

449
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:11,600
Yes. 
Feel about yanking the red 

450
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,700
carpet. 
I feel horrible a lot of. 

451
00:27:14,900 --> 00:27:18,100
No, I just don't like it. 
I just I just has a little bit 

452
00:27:18,100 --> 00:27:20,300
of the West country. 
Oh, look at you think you better

453
00:27:20,300 --> 00:27:24,000
than you ought to be? 
It is it that that me everyone's

454
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,500
got to look at me? 
Yes. 

455
00:27:25,500 --> 00:27:29,100
I think what it is is I like 
being a much happier being a 

456
00:27:29,100 --> 00:27:31,000
character. 
It's time to sort of a bit of a 

457
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,500
cliche like that at sort of the 
acting cliche. 

458
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:51,100
But the other thing for me is 
I'm dyspraxia. 

459
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:55,900
The so my torso, the muscles are
soggy your knee joint, your hip 

460
00:27:55,900 --> 00:27:59,600
joints, your ankle joints, 
everything is soggy. 

461
00:27:59,900 --> 00:28:03,700
So if I'm in a pair of high 
heels on the red carpet, it's 

462
00:28:03,700 --> 00:28:07,000
like a dice with death. 
Am I gonna go over on it 

463
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,000
tonight? 
Have you ever been over? 

464
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:15,600
I haven't on the red carpet 
knocking would but I have come 

465
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,600
off stage at the Royal Court and
misjudged it and gone. 

466
00:28:18,700 --> 00:28:23,000
And and being in a pair of, I 
think it was a 70s heels hips 

467
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,500
and platform number and misjudge
the step and completely gone, 

468
00:28:26,500 --> 00:28:29,000
over my ankles, just gone like 
that. 

469
00:28:29,100 --> 00:28:32,700
So that sort of thing. 
Always makes me feel a bit 

470
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,600
uncomfortable. 
I'm smiling, but I'm really 

471
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,400
going. 
Please don't fall over or 

472
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,100
onstage. 
I remember I was doing a show 

473
00:28:39,100 --> 00:28:44,600
called The Revengers tragedy at 
the national and it was in the 

474
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,300
Olivier 8. 
So the big circular stage and I 

475
00:28:47,300 --> 00:28:49,900
was playing The Duchess who is 
the vamp. 

476
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:54,000
So I mean red Red velvet, big 
Power shoulders, it's fitted. 

477
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,100
There's no back to it. 
I've got high heels on and the 

478
00:28:57,100 --> 00:28:59,800
the opening of the show everyone
has to walk in sort of slow 

479
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,900
motion around the stage that 
must have been your idea. 

480
00:29:02,900 --> 00:29:06,300
It was my idea of hell and press
night doing that it. 

481
00:29:06,300 --> 00:29:09,900
I just, it just went on and on. 
I just thought, just get me off 

482
00:29:09,900 --> 00:29:12,900
the stage, I was practically 
crying because there's nothing 

483
00:29:12,900 --> 00:29:15,400
to hold onto and I'm in heels, 
and I'm supposed to look, 

484
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,500
fabulous and vampy and I'm just 
scared. 

485
00:29:17,500 --> 00:29:21,100
I'm going to fall over. 
But interestingly, do you feel 

486
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,500
The necessity to wear heels on 
the red carpet. 

487
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:30,300
And yes, sometimes I do I just 
think there's a sort of line, it

488
00:29:30,300 --> 00:29:34,000
can give you that in the posture
that on Hosta and all that. 

489
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:39,000
So if I can sometimes cheat that
and where you know, some 

490
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:46,100
slightly chunky heeled boots or 
cow boyish, shoes or something 

491
00:29:46,100 --> 00:29:49,800
like that then and then I can do
that sometimes in that will do 

492
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:53,400
you feel more confident in 
Aboot, that's holding your foot.

493
00:29:53,500 --> 00:29:56,700
Then I feel confident in 
anything that's holding my foot,

494
00:29:56,700 --> 00:30:00,500
because that's that sense of, 
you're teetering from the ground

495
00:30:00,500 --> 00:30:03,700
up. 
I find that quite tricky. 

496
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:08,300
Wow, what would you say is being
your worst fashion moment? 

497
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:15,600
Well, it was Kim, Smith's 
birthday party, it was 1973. 

498
00:30:16,300 --> 00:30:21,100
And I had begged, I had begged 
my mother to let me wear 

499
00:30:21,300 --> 00:30:25,700
Something fashionable and we'd 
gone to Tesco's 73. 

500
00:30:25,700 --> 00:30:28,100
So you were 10. 
I was 10. 

501
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,700
I'd so, I went up here early. 
So, I was at secondary school, 

502
00:30:31,700 --> 00:30:36,500
and I was 10, Kim Smith was a 
cross country Runner. 

503
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:40,400
She was blond, and she was tall,
and she was funny and everybody 

504
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,300
loved her. 
And I really wanted to look nice

505
00:30:42,300 --> 00:30:44,900
for her party. 
And I ended up going in a sort 

506
00:30:44,900 --> 00:30:50,900
of, it was a sort of brownie, 
beige, with a sort of check on 

507
00:30:50,900 --> 00:30:52,900
it. 
It and it had a frilly collar 

508
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,100
and puff sleeve 370 and really 
seventies. 

509
00:30:56,100 --> 00:30:57,900
And it came in at the waist and 
then it went out. 

510
00:30:57,900 --> 00:31:00,400
And then it had layers of Frills
all the way down to the ground. 

511
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:06,800
I looked horrible, I had a mono 
brow, and a mustache and to sort

512
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:11,100
of Afro that wasn't quite dead, 
just like. 

513
00:31:11,100 --> 00:31:14,000
But how did you feel terrible 
own Moon? 

514
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,600
As soon as I got there, like 
mistake mistake. 

515
00:31:18,300 --> 00:31:20,800
Yeah, yeah, there's nothing. 
No. 

516
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,800
More empowering or 
disempowering? 

517
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,500
Yes. 
Than clothes. 

518
00:31:26,500 --> 00:31:29,100
I always think. 
Yes, how often do you spring, 

519
00:31:29,100 --> 00:31:30,300
clean? 
Your wardrobe. 

520
00:31:32,100 --> 00:31:34,700
It's on the to-do list forever 
Amanda. 

521
00:31:34,900 --> 00:31:38,200
I mean I do have clothes in my. 
I have my I have a dress that my

522
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:44,300
mother wore in the late 60s, but
with big puff sleeves and a sort

523
00:31:44,300 --> 00:31:47,500
of it's green with a sort of 
medieval print on it. 

524
00:31:47,700 --> 00:31:51,500
And Greensleeves, you know, the 
phone Williams Greensleeves was 

525
00:31:51,500 --> 00:31:54,900
one of her favorite songs. 
And I always thought that it was

526
00:31:54,900 --> 00:31:58,100
about that dress and then one 
day she don't darling, I don't 

527
00:31:58,100 --> 00:32:00,000
want this job. 
So I have the dress in the 

528
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,800
world, I never wear it. 
But, you know, there are just 

529
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:06,800
these and you're hanging onto it
for sentimental reasons, I think

530
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:08,300
I am. 
But I also think I will wear 

531
00:32:08,300 --> 00:32:10,500
that because really nice dress. 
I haven't worn it. 

532
00:32:10,700 --> 00:32:14,600
I have I think I still have some
underwear from school. 

533
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:19,400
Do you do you look after your 
clothes really beautifully? 

534
00:32:19,900 --> 00:32:21,900
No, that's not high on the 
agenda. 

535
00:32:21,900 --> 00:32:24,900
At know, it is. 
It's on the when I grow up and 

536
00:32:24,900 --> 00:32:27,100
I'm turning into a responsible 
human being. 

537
00:32:27,300 --> 00:32:30,800
I'm just gonna, you know, there 
are like I have a wardrobe of 

538
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:34,200
Doom upstairs there. 
There are shoes wedged in there.

539
00:32:34,300 --> 00:32:36,700
I think there are probably 
sandals in there. 

540
00:32:36,700 --> 00:32:40,400
I haven't warned for a decade. 
Honestly, How many pairs of 

541
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:44,600
shoes do you earn? 
No, it's over 100. 

542
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:50,300
And no probably but probably in 
the 60s or 70s. 

543
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:52,500
I've heard worse. 
Have you? 

544
00:32:52,500 --> 00:32:55,400
I have heard worse. 
Don't beat yourself up. 

545
00:32:57,900 --> 00:33:02,500
What brand would you say is? 
Your guilty secret and why? 

546
00:33:03,700 --> 00:33:06,600
Oh my God. 
I'm really bad on Brands. 

547
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:11,300
I'm just, I just, I just don't 
really. 

548
00:33:12,500 --> 00:33:14,500
I don't really follow brands at 
all. 

549
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,100
So the most expensive item 
you've ever bought. 

550
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,100
Probably some of my homemade, my
homemade handmade suits. 

551
00:33:23,900 --> 00:33:27,000
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
Because yeah, they're up in the 

552
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,500
and accessories are your 
handbag. 

553
00:33:29,500 --> 00:33:33,600
Girl. 
I, I like I do like Bag. 

554
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,100
But I tend to buy, I'm very fond
of. 

555
00:33:36,100 --> 00:33:40,400
There's a guy who weaves 
handbags in all sorts of ways, 

556
00:33:40,500 --> 00:33:46,100
under a tree in Accra, ran the 
corner from the shopping mall 

557
00:33:46,700 --> 00:33:50,000
and I tend to go and negotiate 
with him for banks. 

558
00:33:50,500 --> 00:33:53,500
And I really like leather, 
ghanaians Ganesha, Ganesha in 

559
00:33:53,500 --> 00:33:56,400
leather bags. 
And yeah, how. 

560
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,900
So my bags tend to be from 
Ghana. 

561
00:33:59,300 --> 00:34:00,900
So they're from Ghana, not 
Chanel. 

562
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,300
Yeah. 
Oh, because I was going to say, 

563
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:07,000
When you're buying an expensive 
piece to ever justify it on 

564
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:11,000
pounds per wear. 
Ask girls are quite good at 

565
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:12,199
that. 
That's a really good one. 

566
00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:16,300
Yes, I do a lot. 
Right but I'm yeah, I'm I like 

567
00:34:16,300 --> 00:34:21,900
things I'm not so much about 
Brands, but I just like if I 

568
00:34:21,900 --> 00:34:26,199
like it, it can be 10 pounds or 
500 pounds. 

569
00:34:26,699 --> 00:34:31,400
If I like it, then I like it and
who's made it is irrelevant kind

570
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,600
of less interesting unless they 
have a really particular style. 

571
00:34:34,699 --> 00:34:37,400
That's that's Liam wonderfully 
confident. 

572
00:34:37,699 --> 00:34:42,900
Do you have a particular Zone? 
Zoom look, I wonder especially 

573
00:34:42,900 --> 00:34:45,000
during lockdown. 
You must have done some odd 

574
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,000
castings on Zoom. 
Everything was on doing as much 

575
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:52,500
do you treat if you're doing a 
casting on Zoom, do you try and 

576
00:34:52,500 --> 00:34:55,800
get into the character at all 
with what you're wearing? 

577
00:34:55,900 --> 00:35:01,700
Well interestingly because 
bridgie came out during a 

578
00:35:01,707 --> 00:35:05,400
lockdown. 
We did a lot of publicity on 

579
00:35:05,500 --> 00:35:11,100
zoom and then when season 2 came
out I got covid for the first 

580
00:35:11,100 --> 00:35:17,000
time whoo-hoo so I had to do all
my publicity on on because there

581
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:18,700
was no lying down and being 
poorly. 

582
00:35:18,700 --> 00:35:22,400
So what were you wearing? 
I was getting, I was getting 

583
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,400
designer things being sent to 
me. 

584
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,700
I would be in big puffy ball 
things. 

585
00:35:26,700 --> 00:35:30,500
I think the thing is it's a very
small canvas, so you have to be 

586
00:35:30,500 --> 00:35:33,300
quite, you have to be quite 
bold. 

587
00:35:33,300 --> 00:35:37,000
Yes, I did. 
And I was I was doing something 

588
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,800
for their Kelly Clarkson show in
America. 

589
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,700
Our and I wasn't there, and two 
of the cast were there. 

590
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,600
So I wore a dress, that was so 
orange. 

591
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:50,200
It was burning the lens 
practically, but it was sort of 

592
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:54,200
you just need big shapes and 
big, big pictures, I think. 

593
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,600
And but when you're doing a 
casting on, when you're doing a 

594
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:03,400
casting, then I just think you 
need to lean into the character 

595
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:08,900
as much as you can and I mean 
within that screen. 

596
00:36:08,900 --> 00:36:10,600
Yeah. 
Yeah, and be with them and just 

597
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:16,200
make sure you're very well-lit. 
Ring, light ring, lights are 

598
00:36:16,207 --> 00:36:19,400
good. 
And also, for brown skin, gold 

599
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:23,200
reflectors goals of gold gold, 
gold, gold, gold reflectors. 

600
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,000
And how do you do that 
personally then? 

601
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,400
Well, sometimes I'm lucky and I 
have my brother, if he's over 

602
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,200
from the states and he's a 
photographer. 

603
00:36:30,300 --> 00:36:32,300
Oh, Pearl. 
Be like, come on, Pooh face, 

604
00:36:32,300 --> 00:36:37,100
come on, come on. 
And then you just, you know, you

605
00:36:37,100 --> 00:36:40,300
do the you do the thing that 
everybody does the smoke and 

606
00:36:40,300 --> 00:36:43,400
mirrors, you balance that thing 
there, and that's got a bit of 

607
00:36:43,500 --> 00:36:46,900
of stick out, you know, you 
stick gaffer tape on the back of

608
00:36:46,900 --> 00:36:50,400
your frock and you dip, you 
know, all the things all of the 

609
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,500
little seats, I don't like to 
call them cheats their asses. 

610
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:55,700
Their part of the structure, 
aren't this? 

611
00:36:55,700 --> 00:36:59,600
Absolutely. 
So going on to sustainable 

612
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:04,600
fashion, what's your views on 
that and your approach to it? 

613
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,400
I mean it sounds like you love 
to hang on to things, so it's 

614
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:12,700
not like you're a fast fashion. 
I'm not a fast fashion consumer.

615
00:37:12,900 --> 00:37:15,100
I mean, I love Hang on to 
everything, you know. 

616
00:37:15,100 --> 00:37:17,400
It could be books as well as 
shoes or clothes. 

617
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,200
It's Grim. 
So you haven't heard your Marie 

618
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,400
kondo moment. 
No, but I need to have it 

619
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,900
because it's completely 
unnecessary and it starts to get

620
00:37:25,908 --> 00:37:27,200
a bit overwhelming after a while
doesn't. 

621
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,300
And it's also that thing of just
the cop beat. 

622
00:37:30,300 --> 00:37:34,200
Be thoughtful about your life. 
Do you wear it? 

623
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,500
Have you read that? 
Are you ever going to read it? 

624
00:37:36,500 --> 00:37:37,900
You know, you feel that coming 
on? 

625
00:37:37,900 --> 00:37:41,000
Yeah, it's funny. 
I yes I don't you think that's 

626
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,600
an age thing a time of. 
I think it's I think it's it's 

627
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,400
part of the same conversation 
that we've been having about 

628
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:52,900
reflecting on your life and sort
of pairing out the Clutter and 

629
00:37:52,900 --> 00:37:54,500
going. 
No this is what I want to do. 

630
00:37:54,500 --> 00:37:57,900
This is I don't want to be 
constantly doing, you know, why 

631
00:37:57,900 --> 00:38:00,400
don't I have time to sort things
out because life is like this 

632
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:04,700
and at certain point you have to
go you know it's not rehearsal. 

633
00:38:04,700 --> 00:38:09,000
Yeah make it how you want it now
because who knows what tomorrow 

634
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:13,200
will be. 
So so yeah I do need I do need a

635
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,000
Cutter moment. 
I've lost track of what your 

636
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:17,300
question was there. 
Amanda. 

637
00:38:17,500 --> 00:38:19,600
It was your approach to 
sustainable? 

638
00:38:19,700 --> 00:38:25,900
Oh yes, and I can't bear the 
thought of a child. 

639
00:38:25,900 --> 00:38:32,100
Who is the age of my grandson or
you know one of my kids when 

640
00:38:32,100 --> 00:38:35,700
they were little in some Factory
sewing on sequins when they 

641
00:38:35,700 --> 00:38:38,400
should be in the fresh air or 
they should be in school. 

642
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:43,400
I know I'm in my next question 
was is, do you ever think about 

643
00:38:43,500 --> 00:38:47,700
The person who actually made the
Garment always you're wearing 

644
00:38:47,700 --> 00:38:50,200
all the touching on. 
I think about it all the time. 

645
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,000
I think I call it sort of 
mindful consumption that I I 

646
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,400
love thinking about it. 
Yeah. 

647
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:02,500
And giving that person that 
moment of thanks. 

648
00:39:02,500 --> 00:39:06,800
Yeah, credit. 
Yeah I agree with you so I'm I 

649
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:12,200
don't like I think I think I'm 
turning into an old get is what 

650
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:17,000
I think but Paul Of that is that
I think as a society we are 

651
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:21,200
utterly hooked into disposable 
everything. 

652
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,600
You know, I want to fix the 
iron, I don't want to throw the 

653
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,600
iron away and get a new one. 
You know, it's all that. 

654
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,400
Sort of where is it going? 
It's just for filling, landfill 

655
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,900
sites with this stuff and so on 
clothes. 

656
00:39:33,900 --> 00:39:35,900
And so, I will close. 
It sounds, same thing. 

657
00:39:35,900 --> 00:39:37,600
Just hang on to them at the 
moment. 

658
00:39:37,700 --> 00:39:42,100
I hang onto them but and I also 
do, you know, I give a lot to 

659
00:39:43,300 --> 00:39:50,300
do. 22. 
It'll be a charity like Oxfam or

660
00:39:50,300 --> 00:39:52,300
something like that. 
Where I know that it's not going

661
00:39:52,300 --> 00:39:55,800
to end up in a landfill site, 
just outside of Accra, which is 

662
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:59,200
where a lot of, you know, that 
all we know it's going to be 

663
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:00,400
recite. 
No, it's not. 

664
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,100
Just going to talk to someone 
else, some of those sites from 

665
00:40:03,100 --> 00:40:05,900
outside Accra are quite 
disturbing. 

666
00:40:05,900 --> 00:40:07,700
Yeah, they are. 
And there's so-and-so. 

667
00:40:08,500 --> 00:40:10,700
I don't I and I and I want to 
think about. 

668
00:40:10,700 --> 00:40:13,300
So this is with my fair trade 
hat on this. 

669
00:40:13,500 --> 00:40:16,900
Trade cotton. 
So I know it's going to be not 

670
00:40:16,900 --> 00:40:20,000
full of pesticides for the land 
where it's grown that the people

671
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:25,500
who are picking in are being, 
given a decent income with all 

672
00:40:25,500 --> 00:40:27,500
the extra premiums that happen 
around, Healthcare and 

673
00:40:27,500 --> 00:40:30,300
education, and women's 
empowerment that perhaps, with 

674
00:40:30,300 --> 00:40:34,200
fair trade. 
So I try to buy so that I can 

675
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,300
get something lovely and we can 
share the love at the same time 

676
00:40:37,300 --> 00:40:41,400
at the other end of the chain, 
as it were love that do it. 

677
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:45,900
You have a by binta jh. 
Oh listen, I said, well, I 

678
00:40:45,900 --> 00:40:48,100
suppose we called it secondhand,
but I used to live in second 

679
00:40:48,100 --> 00:40:52,800
hand shops, I was a, I was a 
punk in the 70s, saw the clash 

680
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:57,200
in 1977 changed, my life. 
Well, what were you wearing? 

681
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,800
I'm still a punk in my heart. 
I've been wearing my dad's 

682
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:06,700
suits, men's brogues, a lot of 
eyeliner skinny ties. 

683
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,700
Yeah, lots of men to my hair was
short. 

684
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,500
It was short. 
It was not short of this but it 

685
00:41:14,500 --> 00:41:17,500
was short and sometimes it was 
blue and sometimes it was red 

686
00:41:17,500 --> 00:41:19,800
and sometimes it was green and 
sometimes I was banned from 

687
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,300
school. 
So, yeah, and then and then when

688
00:41:23,300 --> 00:41:27,300
the two-tone came along, I would
be in the in the second-hand 

689
00:41:27,300 --> 00:41:30,100
shops. 
Getting my my crimp my pink 

690
00:41:30,100 --> 00:41:34,400
crimplene suits and little 
dresses and little, I mean, my 

691
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,300
feet are ruined from Winkle 
Pickers. 

692
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,200
Yeah, yes, she nods. 
Yes, yes. 

693
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,900
Now, I have some Quick fire 
questions for you high-end or 

694
00:41:44,900 --> 00:41:51,100
High Street. 
Can't be both II. 

695
00:41:51,100 --> 00:41:54,500
Think I'm I think I'm probably 
more high-end than High Street, 

696
00:41:54,500 --> 00:41:57,900
but only in terms of interesting
design as opposed to 

697
00:41:59,500 --> 00:42:01,800
cookie-cutter design, bling or 
bear. 

698
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:08,400
Roar, I think I'm probably 
bling, minimalism, or 

699
00:42:08,408 --> 00:42:11,300
maximalism. 
Whoo-wee. 

700
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:17,900
Oh, I it can really change from 
day to day but I'm on generally,

701
00:42:17,900 --> 00:42:22,400
I'm pretty minimalist, I suppose
I would say so cultural charity 

702
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:26,600
shop. 
It's an awful lot of both 

703
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,500
Harrison. 
Well, it kind of is because you 

704
00:42:29,500 --> 00:42:32,600
know you might find those 
fantastic cut in the charity 

705
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,600
shop and then you might look at 
the picture and go, I don't 

706
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:36,800
understand this season is not 
for me. 

707
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:41,800
So it'll just be where my nose 
leads me one awful bug off. 

708
00:42:43,300 --> 00:42:49,800
Oh, I'm a great believer in. 
If you see that thing that you 

709
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,400
really like that pair of 
trousers that fit you perfectly 

710
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:54,900
get three pairs. 
You may never get a fifth good 

711
00:42:54,900 --> 00:42:59,300
as that again, love that, Crocs 
cute or puke. 

712
00:43:00,500 --> 00:43:03,800
They're very good on a pebbly 
beach on this, in the Sussex 

713
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,800
Coast, as a as an item of 
beauty. 

714
00:43:06,900 --> 00:43:10,300
No sneakers or stilettos. 
I think I know the answer to 

715
00:43:10,300 --> 00:43:11,900
that. 
You know, we're going sneakers. 

716
00:43:12,700 --> 00:43:15,900
Skinnies or boyfriends as enjoy 
boyfriends. 

717
00:43:16,100 --> 00:43:18,500
Body Connell boho. 
Oh no, I do understand what you 

718
00:43:18,500 --> 00:43:21,500
just said on the body. 
Yeah, any tight. 

719
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:28,600
Yes or boho flowy. 
I think it depends what it is. 

720
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:32,300
Cuz I like a tight. 
I like a tight t-shirt or a good

721
00:43:32,300 --> 00:43:37,700
type polar neck. 
But I also as you can see you 

722
00:43:37,700 --> 00:43:40,100
quite a boho. 
Girl, I'm a bit boho today. 

723
00:43:40,700 --> 00:43:42,400
You're a bit of everything. 
Sorry. 

724
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:51,300
Sports Luxor, rock chick. rock 
chick glamour, grunge Hmm. 

725
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,000
The crunch can sometimes be 
quite glam. 

726
00:43:56,100 --> 00:44:01,800
I think I'm going to go grunge 
in an honor of my punk red 

727
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:06,000
carpet or relaxed dressing up. 
Is fun party. 

728
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:11,000
Where or PJs? 
God, I do love my PJs, but I do 

729
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,400
like a party. 
Can I do party? 

730
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,700
Where and then come home and put
on my PJs and do whatever you 

731
00:44:16,700 --> 00:44:22,500
want Trend or Style Style color 
or monochrome, monochrome 

732
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:28,400
experimental, or uniform. 
Mmm, I mean, I do like a suit 

733
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:33,500
and that's fairly uniform. 
I think I'm uniform actually 

734
00:44:33,700 --> 00:44:37,200
Kashmir or cotton cotton order 
or editor. 

735
00:44:37,300 --> 00:44:39,200
I think we know the answer to 
that. 

736
00:44:42,100 --> 00:44:45,100
I'm a shameful hoarder. 
Lot of be an editor. 

737
00:44:45,100 --> 00:44:54,000
I want to Vintage your rental. 
Oh vintage, I think shapewear or

738
00:44:54,000 --> 00:45:01,600
sexy lingerie chewy shapewear. 
If I'm if I'm working sexy 

739
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:08,100
lingerie if I'm playing a lot of
information that title 

740
00:45:08,100 --> 00:45:15,400
stockings. 
Tights bikini or one piece. 

741
00:45:17,900 --> 00:45:22,300
Well, I like a bikini because I 
like sunbathing beanie or Barry.

742
00:45:23,500 --> 00:45:28,700
Beanie. 
And finally, a Joe one last 

743
00:45:28,700 --> 00:45:32,400
question at the end of the day, 
what do you or don't you wear in

744
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:36,600
bed? 
Oh it depends how hot I am. 

745
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,600
Amanda editor 10 point in life. 
It's just the heat. 

746
00:45:41,500 --> 00:45:51,300
I wear an it in the summer. 
Cotton or I don't wear nothing 

747
00:45:51,300 --> 00:45:54,800
if it's too hot. 
And in the winter, there is a 

748
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:59,100
farmer's Outfitters in my 
mother's town in Shropshire, in 

749
00:45:59,100 --> 00:46:05,200
Bishop's Castle guavas and they 
still do win C8 pajamas because 

750
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,200
up in those Hills on those farms
in the winter, it's bloody 

751
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,900
freezing. 
So in the winter, I will be in 

752
00:46:10,900 --> 00:46:16,500
some guavas, winter, yet pajamas
and I don't care a journey. 

753
00:46:16,700 --> 00:46:21,300
It has been Always an honor to 
spend time with you. 

754
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:25,400
Thank you for sharing your 
sartorial, secret, thoughts and 

755
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,300
feelings with me today. 
Amazing Amanda. 

756
00:46:28,300 --> 00:46:31,500
I've had so much fun. 
Thank you so much chatting with 

757
00:46:31,500 --> 00:46:35,700
you all evening. 
Thank you, brilliant, thank you.

758
00:46:44,500 --> 00:46:46,200
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00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:44,900
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