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Today, I'm going on a sartorial 
Journey with broadcaster 

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miquita. 
Oliver. 38 year old Makita has 

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been on TV. 
Since she was 16 when she began 

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presenting Channel 4's, cult, 
Sunday morning, pop culture, 

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show pop world. 
She went on to present, T4 from 

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2006 to 2010. 
She's worked in radio hosting 

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shows on BBC, Radio, 1 and BBC 
Radio 1. 

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Extra in 2022 Makita and her 
mother TV, share from presenter,

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Andy Oliver, featured in a BBC, 
television series. 

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The Caribbean with Andy and 
Makita starting out in Antigua 

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where they met members of their 
extended family reconnected with

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her Antiguan Heritage, and 
illuminated the islands, history

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and culture. 
And most recently, and Ian 

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Makita have appeared on 
Celebrity gogglebox together. 

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Hello? 
And welcome Makita. 

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Hello Miranda. 
I would Your voice to read me. 

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Lullabies, sing me lullabies. 
That is so kind. 

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Read me bedtime stories, that's 
my dog doesn't seem to think 

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that the same, but I mean 
hopefully my partner thinks that

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very soft and natural as I do, I
feel safe. 

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Now I've loved watching your 
journey and I love the fact that

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you are working so much with 
your mum. 

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Yes. 
How is that feeling? 

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I love working with mum. 
I think it's weird. 

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I guess broadcasting is almost 
the family business for her and 

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I And and she's very good at 
what she does and wasn't 

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celebrated for it for a long 
time and sort of did bits and 

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pieces. 
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career as a teenager. 
So it's sort of like we did the 

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reverse way of things, like I 
became really successful in this

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industry, and she wasn't and 
then it sort of turned around 

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and my career kind of had a 
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And I went through a lot and you
know everything that happens 

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after you've been on TV for 15 
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nervous breakdown to look at 
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I forget and then my mom's 
career started to ascend and 

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then my career came back and so 
we sort of met in this beautiful

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place where we're doing 
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We've always wanted to do at the
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always happens in life. 
So I feel really lucky and 

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people say oh do you do you get 
on with your mum? 

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It's not really about that. 
It's a magical thing to make 

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television that people love and 
feel with someone that you love.

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So so you've been on this 
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old, when you started, I mean, 
how did that happen? 

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West London, I'd say probably 
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I grew up on, in Western park by
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And it was a very, you know, 
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naughties I suppose that it was 
like 2,000. 

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It was like just the New 
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are in West London. 
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wasn't as wild as 192 kind of 
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there was, there was Not going 
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there for a very long time. 
So we sort of knew everyone and 

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a TV producer. 
Wonderful TV producer, who 

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changed my life called Tamsin, 
just an old friend of my mom's 

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remembered me from a dinner 
party and they had channel for 

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her to commissioned a new music 
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They had got Simon amstell but 
they've been looking for a girl 

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for a few months and they'd sort
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The stage School wrote and 
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that they wanted but they also 
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What they were looking for 
because what pop while became is

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not what it was commissioned as.
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wants to know if you want to 
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absolutely not. 
It sounds terrifying and really 

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overwhelming and I'm I was just,
I've been to like all these 

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different schools and I hadn't 
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and just starting to my gcses so
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do that, but she was that you'll
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the afternoon. 
I double science and she was 

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like, you won't have to go. 
That is any girls cream? 

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Not greater science and just do 
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But I just I find auditions. 
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audition as a kid and I got such
bad anxiety and I've never, I do

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since getting the job, but when 
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with nerves well, and I just 
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But of course, the greatest 
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side of what were terrified of 
and I got there and it was just 

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like, like Good Will Hunting 
when he says, like Mozart, I 

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could just play when he's 
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Petition mind works, I just knew
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know why but I just I mean 
possibly because of mom but it 

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was deeper than that. 
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it very quickly and we left and 
I was like, I want that job and 

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when I was I remember your 16, 
it might not happen and, you 

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know, it was a good experience. 
I was like, I want that job how 

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magical? 
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That point? 
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Week later, they offered it to 
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what? 
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because it was launching E4 as a
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as well. 
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like this is certain amount of 
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was very overwhelmed. 
And then my mom's, like, she's 

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still in school and they said, 
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filming schedule. 
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Do pop one in the mornings, have
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So, I'd like wake up, like 
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All. 
I uh sure how does and then go 

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to like pee? 
It was really, it was very weird

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time but it was exciting, a very
exciting, but my body came out 

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in this huge rash. 
I so I think a part of me was 

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freaking out. 
Well, I'm not surprised. 

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I'm in 16. 
Is, you're a kid? 

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Yes, suppose you are but that 
and that's a huge, huge job with

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huge. 
Interviewing. 

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As you were saying, huge names, 
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creative people. 
People that were in big bands 

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and were big people in 
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And also the kind of more 
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London. 
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people that had been brought up 
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So I wasn't that fazed by an 
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blue or even an usher. 
I would just I was never that 

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overwhelmed by Fame. 
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quite interesting to be able to 
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people. 
So coming back to now. 

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Any other exciting projects up 
your sleeves sort of four years 

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ago I started working. 
Really hard to get back to a 

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place that I had previously 
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But actually I knew I wanted to 
go a lot higher and I have and I

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think you have to got, it takes 
a lot to decide to put yourself 

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back in the world to say that 
I'm a broadcast of, this is what

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I do. 
I love it and I want to work 

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again and I want to do more and 
I want to do bigger things and I

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want to be trusted with big 
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It's really hard. 
What was the Catalyst that made 

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you decide that you were ready 
for that? 

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I think I was bored. 
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I don't like being bored and I 
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using my mind much. 
And if you're a broadcaster, you

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have to be hired to work. 
You can't just sit around 

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broadcasting at home. 
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Like a pain to my paint. 
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And I was always too scared to 
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industry again and then suddenly
I just wasn't suddenly, I just 

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wasn't scared. 
I was ready. 

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Spiritually, and physically. 
I've been training really hard 

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and lost a lot of weight. 
I was really in my body. 

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Me and my body were very 
Corrected. 

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Me and my mind are very close. 
You know, I started therapy 

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forgot a crucial crucial part of
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I started therapy and I got to 
talk about everything that had 

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happened and I'd never really 
talked about it was just like, 

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oh yeah, I got really famous 
noted that show and I became TV 

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presenter, but actually it was a
lot and it was a real, a really 

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difficult thing to talk about 
because I never thought I could 

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have found it for people. 
Be like, who cares? 

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If you got more famous, but 
actually being famous is a very 

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odd thing. 
Specially, if you haven't hunted

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it out and if you have it from 
that age right now, I've been 

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famous longer than I haven't 
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I've never been an adult who 
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Yeah, which is quite a lot and 
it took a lot of therapy to be 

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able to explain that every 
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shouting. 
My name, everyone knowing you 

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because you're on the Telly. 
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16 grow up. 
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That's sort of it was a lot but 
now it's brilliant because 

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everyone says to me, I grew up 
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I grew up watching You and I 
feel like I got all these people

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through their school, through 
their unique. 

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That's what I realized. 
I thought, hang on. 

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If people still say thank you, 
you got me through this or I 

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loved watching this. 
Then I know there's a reason for

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me to be back in that world and 
to do it again, mom. 

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And I also doing a lot more 
travel after the Caribbean 

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success. 
That was such a beautiful 

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experience to do to do something
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special, but it was so loved we 
Not to go anywhere without many.

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Many people talking to us about 
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conversations in their family. 
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There's not just a black story. 
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mean, Asian everyone just saying
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for us to keep doing to keep 
traveling and keep showing parts

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of the world and talking about 
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So that's what we're doing next.
Your Instagram post on 

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International women's Women's 
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where you were reflecting on 
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appearance, your hair, and how 
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It was so brave. 
So raw, what inspired you with 

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that post? 
Thank you. 

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Well, I was asked to do this job
for banish a which are huge 

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production company conglomerate 
to tell other women's stories 

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and then they asked me if I had 
one and I immediately went to So

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harassment feeding sexually 
threatened all those things and 

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I didn't, I've never had any 
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And I'm very lucky, especially 
naughties succeed, but people 

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just too involved with drinks 
and drugs and alcohol to be 

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bothered to do anything like 
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It was I felt very protected 
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this was a story of a time where
I felt like I was torn apart and

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broken down and that who I was 
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Me to have that conversation was
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into account. 
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time, there wasn't that kind of 
nurture that what I've liked one

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spirit that wouldn't have. 
I was going to say, would that 

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happen today? 
Do you think? 

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No way. 
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And not even just because people
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I think we just we just you just
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I was 23, she was 55 and it's 
quite difficult because she's 

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sort of family friend, as well. 
It was just a really difficult. 

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Duration for me and I thought 
was really important to say to 

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say something because the new 
ones of the negative things 

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we've been through as women in 
the workplace, is really 

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important. 
It's not just as black and 

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white. 
As this happened sec, I was 

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sexually harassed. 
I was sexually threatened or I 

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felt limited. 
It's like you have to tell the 

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story if I just said they 
criticize my hair all right, but

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it was just the atmosphere that 
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And it was very quickly after 
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From T4 and I'd given them 10 to
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very hard to earn your whole 
adult life, my whole adult life.

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Yeah, and I was very confused 
and lost and there was no one to

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go, you're going to be okay. 
And I think today there would be

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Good. 
So progress, that. 

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Exactly. 
But today, we're going on a 

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style journey together. 
So I'd love to know, were you 

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exposed to Fashion at a very 
young age and I think of you 

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growing up in West London and I 
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God. 
It's where all of us designers 

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go to get inspiration. 
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fashion at a young age? 
Absolutely. 

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I think, but what I was always 
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second hand clothes. 
What? 

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I was always very interested in 
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grandmother is Antiguan and when
she came over to Britain, you 

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know, everyone wore their Sunday
Best and they came from a 

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generation of people who were 
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everything. 
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And there's a picture of my 
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grandmother and her six sisters,
and her seven, brothers, and my 

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great-grandmother mama and my 
Grandmother Eleanor and my 

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great-grandfather papa and thank
God. 

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We got the picture because they 
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So it's quite strange that they 
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put on their Sunday Best. 
Oh, how Charming is beautiful? 

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And it looks like mini Chanel 
Armani is just so Chic and the 

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pride and the pride. 
Exactly. 

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So I think that I've always been
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because I come from a family of 
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Were you in uniform at school? 
One of them and it was because I

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went to six different schools, 
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then when I was 14, we had to 
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we lost our Housing, Trust flat.
And we moved to it just a little

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bit more like Kilbourne maida 
Vale and I went to st. 

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George's. 
Rough school, but it had a 

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uniform and it was the first 
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myself. 
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grunge, and Nirvana, and 
Smashing, Pumpkins and whole, 

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and I used to wear dr. 
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one and And I was terrified 
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And at that time not very close 
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I was terrified that I'd be 
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that I just basically like, a 
white kid. 

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So, I use the uniform in the 
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And then, at the weekend, I 
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would like be in hiding. 
I'd be like, if I see one person

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school, let you know, the real 
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me and it will probably would 
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a Persona. 
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High School. 
I thought uniforms are weird. 

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They make me hide. 
You should never run again but 

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yet any hangover from that other
than the hiding. 

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But do you remember the Fabrics 
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The cut that I liked it. 
I liked it was well, cut and I 

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liked it was Navy and white. 
I thought Chic, you must be the 

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only person I've interviewed, 
who love playing, you know, 

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really. 
But actually, the way you 

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describe it, I think. 
Oh, that sounds really. 

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She can see you shrunken. 
Yes, exactly. 

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But do you remember your very 
first memory of when clothes had

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an impact on you? 
Yeah. 

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And what that was and what what 
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I think I was for three or four 
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been three or four weeks to 
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My Uncle Sean, my mum's brother 
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Had this very big life in. 
He was a hugely hugely Gifted 

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musician, everyone in West 
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Most pretty girls had a night 
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He was a bit of a Casanova, the 
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lived. 
He had dreads and he like 

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wielded. 
I mean, you remember everyone 

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was skin, so it wasn't like, 
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Second hand clothes at the 
charity shop was just where you 

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put your clothes. 
He'd wear these gray suits that 

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look like Armani with like 
beating up old a DDOS, I'll show

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you the picture. 
We did a shoot for i d magazine 

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and we got to pick what we wore.
And I remember being like, okay,

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let's go and I was very specific
and the outfit is so banging. 

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I'd wear it today. 
It's like lovely little Kilt 

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with a grey jumper with a red 
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little black painted Mary Jane's
or so go on and did, did you 

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just feel a million dollars in 
it? 

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Yes, I just remembered that I 
liked putting things together 

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and I felt proud of what I put 
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Year or two later my auntie nana
got married and she said, we 

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could design our bridesmaid 
dresses and that's when I was 

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like, right? 
Okay. 

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Because it was with a liar 
because he'd made her dress. 

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Oh my God. 
Yeah so he'd made this beautiful

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see-through Navy polkadot 
Wrapped Little oh my God, it's 

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beautiful. 
And then pour a liar. 

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These sketches from these 
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but I was really specific about 
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I was like it's bubblegum pink. 
Pink, but it's kind of lighter 

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than that. 
And it's got to be like soft 

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tacos. 
Like five is like, thought of as

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a dean and I bet you, he just 
created something very 

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beautiful. 
They were gorgeous. 

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And, and that day did you, how 
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We were night. 
Did it deliver? 

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It's a lived in the dress, 
deliver, the dress is better 

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than our attitude that day. 
We were just have nightmares. 

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It was a five of us and we're 
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yeah, we were just 5. 
The idea that as adding a liar 

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did both knows dress and five in
Spades. 

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Do you think that fashion Mojo 
can come in and out of your 

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life? 
Definitely. 

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Yes, definitely. 
And I do also think that it 

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could come in phases. 
Yes. 

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And you know, and I think back 
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myself starting my business and 
I was sort of wearing serious 

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business stuff. 
Yes and now I'm definitely 

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dressing younger now than I 
probably was 30 years. 

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Yes, yes, absolutely. 
I remember turning 30 and 

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thinking, oh my God, I can't 
believe I have to give mini 

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skirts up. 
And then one day I went, no, I 

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don't. 
And I've had my best mini 

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skirts, wearing life in my 
thirties. 

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I had a Real Fashion Mojo, I 
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10:00 but then I think the way 
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kind of deepest it's ever been, 
I started dressing from the soul

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and I never used to wear color 
and I started being really 

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interested in tangerines and 
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And I realized that I was going 
back to the kind of like the way

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Mall my grandma and her sisters 
dress in the Caribbean like 

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church clothes, neat, trousers, 
meet jumper, good shirt, 

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tailored jackets, kitten heels, 
I think our style runs so much 

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deeper than we really know. 
You think that you're just 

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putting something on. 
But actually, there are all 

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these reasons but I gravitate 
to, I think, you know, I call it

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your style DNA. 
I think it's almost it goes 

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round in these circles and and 
you evolve. 

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And then you realize Whoo, I'm 
back to where I started. 

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Yes. 
But a different boat and but it 

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just sort of newer version of 
everything you've learned in 

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between. 
Yes. 

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Yeah. 
So you come at me out on the 

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other side, a lot more powerful 
and a lot more trusting of 

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yourself and your instincts in 
your gut. 

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Now, that's something I wanted 
to talk to you about because I 

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know you're a genius secondhand 
Shopper. 

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And, and know, I know you really
are and I think style, and 

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styling, is a very subjective 
thing. 

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And I know that throughout my 
years as a designer Found women 

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came to Amanda wakeley because 
they trusted my style my 

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aesthetic. 
They they were, perhaps less 

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confident in their own 
aesthetic. 

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And I what I tried to do was 
provide them with the solutions,

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but secondhand shopping is a 
whole other challenge. 

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You don't have the stamp of sort
of good taste. 

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That comes from buying a brand 
that you trust. 

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For example, you actually have 
to trust your own taste and I 

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think that can be super 
challenging. 

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For the majority of people and I
just wondered if you there's 

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consummate secondhand Shopper 
had any tips. 

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Yeah, I think it's quite a big 
question to walk into a shop and

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say, who am I and to trust your 
gut and your instincts, which is

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what I honestly think that after
I did a lot of therapy and a lot

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of work on my ancestry because 
of the show with Mom, I started 

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getting even more free and even 
more excited about what I'm 

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trying to charity shop. 
So I think it really is a 

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question. 
Where you're at in your head and

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how much you trust yourself. 
But I got bored Amanda. 

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I just got so bored. 
I used to love Zara, I just got 

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so bored of the same. 
If I let the same conversation 

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was being had over and over 
again and I people go at this is

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so great that you're so into 
sustainability. 

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Honestly, it feels good to wear 
s and closing to be putting 

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money in the right place. 
And for me, that is a good way 

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of living sustainably when 
you're doing something for 

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yourself for other people, the 
community around you and the 

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planet. 
And I think there is a stigma 

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that chair Tee shots can be 
dirty or badly organized or have

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no knowledge that not 
knowledgeable staff and they're 

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all untrue, especially these 
days. 

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And it really is just a more 
exciting ride. 

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And you always look at 
individual, yes. 

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Because there's you know, it's 
how do we encourage people out 

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of that? 
Well, this is the look in the 

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latest Saint, Laurent add or the
latest saline ad or whatever and

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people just wanting to reproduce
that but it's how we did. 

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Even to ourselves and say, I'm 
actually just feels really good 

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but in terms of the second hand 
shopping, do you do you ever 

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take selfies of yourself? 
I want you two to work out. 

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Whether something works or not. 
Yes, I do you take selfies. 

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Yes. 
In the to work out whether what 

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I'm going to actually do. 
Like, take pins. 

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I'm going to take it up to this 
length and because I would you 

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pin yourself? 
Yeah. 

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Just in the dressing rooms just 
to see if I'm I'm actually going

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to bother to do it because 
sometimes because the skirts 

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only three quid you're like, 
I'll just get it. 

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It's like no still think about 
whether you want this. 

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Yeah. 
But what you were saying earlier

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about the saline campaign, like 
you've seen around people 

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wanting to I love campaigns and 
I love fashion magazines and I 

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love shows. 
I love my favorite thing to do 

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is recreate what I see there in 
a charity shop, but it has been 

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said about you that you have an 
encyclopedic. 

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Knowledge of fashion references,
a sweater is very saline 2012. 

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His season 3 carry falling into 
the pond when she's surprised by

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big everyone. 
Now goes II know you in like, I 

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just think popular culture 
references to close always 

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really important. 
And it also I read that, you 

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know, you've had, you have a 
commitment to bang exclusively 

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secondhand although occasionally
makes an exception for a posh 

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shoe. 
Can we talk about those Posh 

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shoes and what they might be? 
Okay. 

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Okay, this actually comes back 
to ancestry because I love 

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kitten heels, like from such a 
deep your place that I don't 

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even know what it's about. 
But now I do because I looked at

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all the pictures of my ancestors
and make and my grandmother and 

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all her sisters, or my great 
aunts, and they're all in the 

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satin like Owens. 
Beautiful light pink light blue,

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kitten heels. 
And I don't know where that 

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comes from one back, but maybe 
to look neat as Black people 

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coming over here. 
You want to look your best, I 

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don't know. 
But it's in me and so I'm sorry,

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but no Mexican here. 
Let me know. 

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No Blahnik, welcome it. 
If someone did, I would buy it. 

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But I think that they are 
treasures and they they fill me 

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up with joy. 
So honestly, How many pairs of 

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shoes do you have? 
I'd say. 60 all designer. 

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Yeah. 
Oh dear well my skirts caustic 

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wit about deserting, the passed 
away instead of averages 

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absolutely if you had five 
minutes to get camera-ready, 

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what is the outfit that you 
would reach for, at the moment? 

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I'd say camera ready? 
Yeah, I'd say miniskirt neat, 

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stripy jumpers, although you're 
not allowed to us, Raps on 

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camera which was always, so 
upsetting but very neat little 

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jumper good Prada. 
Men's belt, manolos bare legs, 

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00:24:24,500 --> 00:24:28,900
some girls Hoops done. 
Gorgeous gorgeous, do you think 

450
00:24:28,900 --> 00:24:30,600
you message through your 
clothes? 

451
00:24:32,900 --> 00:24:35,100
Yeah, I was always really 
interested in there was, of 

452
00:24:35,100 --> 00:24:38,200
course, the Revenge dress with 
Diana but I was always really 

453
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:43,600
interested in when Kate had that
Scandal and Kate Moss and then 

454
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,500
was in New York. 
The next day new, it knowing 

455
00:24:45,500 --> 00:24:48,800
she'd be photographed and she 
was in a white crocheted 

456
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,700
mini-dress and it honestly was 
the other. 

457
00:24:52,500 --> 00:24:56,400
It was like a act of innocence, 
and I remember thinking, God, 

458
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,700
closes a powerful, she's very 
clever. 

459
00:24:59,300 --> 00:25:02,500
And I think that there are times
I sort of, if it's deeper than 

460
00:25:02,500 --> 00:25:06,800
message, I've used close to, to 
do everything in my life to, to 

461
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:13,200
make my life bigger to cure, 
heartbreak, to heal myself to 

462
00:25:13,700 --> 00:25:16,700
have No fear. 
Yeah, to feel the world around 

463
00:25:16,700 --> 00:25:17,900
me I don't think there's 
anything. 

464
00:25:17,900 --> 00:25:20,400
I don't use clothes for but 
that's lovely that you're so 

465
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,800
connected to what? 
You're putting on your body. 

466
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,800
Yeah we don't want your hair for
a minute. 

467
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:33,000
Mmm. 
I know that that was talked 

468
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:39,000
about in that horrible interview
that you had back in the day, 

469
00:25:39,500 --> 00:25:46,000
you spoke very openly about 
having a weave and how much you 

470
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:53,100
actually really hated that. 
And so how, how did you move on 

471
00:25:53,100 --> 00:26:01,600
from that and evolve to just 
loving Gorgeous curly locks. 

472
00:26:02,300 --> 00:26:07,100
Well I Funny everyone thinks 
these Lots they're actually just

473
00:26:07,100 --> 00:26:10,000
Platz. 
Yeah and I this is basically the

474
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:14,600
hairstyle I have a nose. 
It's sort of 7 to 13 so it 

475
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,800
really took me back to who I was
before. 

476
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,100
Yeah I got my job and everything
changed in my life and I wasn't 

477
00:26:21,100 --> 00:26:25,800
visible in the same way. 
I took a lefty for like ripped 

478
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,500
the weave out because it was 
something that I was told. 

479
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:34,100
To get to be on camera because I
had Curly from day one. 

480
00:26:34,100 --> 00:26:35,400
They were like, and are you 
going to get? 

481
00:26:35,500 --> 00:26:38,700
We sort of tried but there was a
lot of like this is difficult, 

482
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,500
this is quite hard and it as a 
kid you're just like, I'm sorry 

483
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,700
it's just my hair. 
I did have lots of big curly 

484
00:26:45,700 --> 00:26:51,000
hair which it was beautiful and 
then my mom was like, you're not

485
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,000
getting away from never. 
Let you do that to your hair and

486
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,900
I was like, no, I have to for 
screen. 

487
00:26:54,900 --> 00:26:57,600
They've asked me to, I think 
maybe there's an awesome but it 

488
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,200
was alluded to And then when I 
got it, they're all very happy. 

489
00:27:00,500 --> 00:27:04,800
And then I had it for 10 years 
and I and it ruined my hair and 

490
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,600
I hated it because I'm not 
really a very like groomed 

491
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,300
groomed person. 
So I'm not one of those girls 

492
00:27:10,300 --> 00:27:12,500
who like ties their hair and a 
scarf at night. 

493
00:27:12,500 --> 00:27:15,000
Like no way. 
I was like ours as well. 

494
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:20,000
Like Groucho's Lily like I was 
not like yeah just my hair 

495
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:24,600
routine can't suffer so at the 
end of it, it was rather 

496
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,500
lopsided because I didn't want 
it. 

497
00:27:28,100 --> 00:27:32,300
So It's like I didn't even as in
even Uninvited games like the 

498
00:27:32,300 --> 00:27:34,600
uninvited guests and the 
interesting thing about 

499
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,600
Weaver's, you don't have a 
connection with your scalp or 

500
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,900
the top of your head or your 
energy, it all feels like it's 

501
00:27:40,900 --> 00:27:44,300
going and then being stifled. 
So when I took it out, I 

502
00:27:44,300 --> 00:27:46,700
suddenly was like, oh my God, I 
haven't like had the energy of 

503
00:27:46,700 --> 00:27:50,100
like my thoughts and my ideas, 
and who I am, just coming out 

504
00:27:50,100 --> 00:27:52,900
into the world feeling the sun, 
we didn't have sun on your 

505
00:27:52,900 --> 00:27:56,700
scout, all those things, some 
women, a lot of women, look 

506
00:27:56,700 --> 00:27:59,500
beautiful because they look 
after To their extensions. 

507
00:27:59,500 --> 00:28:03,600
I'm just not like that. 
And I think one day, I just put 

508
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:07,200
my hair into four Platts. 
I was like, oh my God, Flats 

509
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,300
because I used to always put my 
own hair from the age of about 

510
00:28:09,300 --> 00:28:13,300
six, and then I was like, I was 
26, and then I suddenly did 10. 

511
00:28:13,300 --> 00:28:18,300
And then I did 20 and I was 
like, I'm back, it was a really 

512
00:28:18,300 --> 00:28:20,400
in spiritual interesting 
experience. 

513
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,000
I was like, oh my God, I this is
how my hair always was, and, and

514
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:28,300
now, I know, I just love it, I 
sing to it look after it. 

515
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:32,400
And I'm very connected to my 
hair again and I see a lot of 

516
00:28:32,408 --> 00:28:36,900
black girls with plaits now and 
it means I know what a big deal 

517
00:28:36,900 --> 00:28:40,800
that is because we were all 
stifled by the this pathway of 

518
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,600
the only route to your hair 
being acceptable is a weave. 

519
00:28:45,100 --> 00:28:47,300
And now girls have, you know, 
extension plants but they're 

520
00:28:47,300 --> 00:28:52,300
just, I can feel everyone's more
connected to life and I love the

521
00:28:52,300 --> 00:28:59,300
craft and patterns and yeah I 
mean I actually look Some of 

522
00:28:59,300 --> 00:29:02,000
those hairstyles and I'm really 
have Hair Envy. 

523
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,100
Yeah, because the, they're like 
pieces of art. 

524
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:06,800
I don't know, a friend of mine 
the other day. 

525
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:11,000
I looked at her plaits and it 
was honestly she looked like the

526
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,100
back of her head. 
Look like a sculpture. 

527
00:29:13,100 --> 00:29:16,000
Yeah, absolutely beautiful. 
And it brings us sort of 

528
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,300
regality black. 
Yes. 

529
00:29:18,300 --> 00:29:20,300
Who. 
But Back to Black Beauty? 

530
00:29:20,300 --> 00:29:23,400
That's a really good word. 
I think that's what's happening.

531
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,700
I think there's a lot of Pride. 
Yeah, in black hair again. 

532
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:31,100
Yeah, and there and we've Eve's 
allude to hiding a part of 

533
00:29:31,108 --> 00:29:37,100
himself and super creativity to.
I mean it's a real adornment. 

534
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,100
Yes, absolutely. 
You know, Todd hats. 

535
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:45,700
I know we're talking about being
connected to yourself. 

536
00:29:46,300 --> 00:29:51,400
Would you say your weight or 
your perception of your body has

537
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:56,200
affected your choices and what 
to wear, I think, I mean, yeah, 

538
00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:01,200
there was a listen putting Wait 
on camera is not fun and I was 

539
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:06,800
always a very skinny kid and 
then at about 23 I put on a lot 

540
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,800
of weight and I couldn't really 
get it off. 

541
00:30:10,100 --> 00:30:11,300
Yeah, I just couldn't get it 
off. 

542
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:16,700
So I think 23 to 27 on screen, I
was about two and a half three 

543
00:30:16,700 --> 00:30:18,400
stone heavier than ever known 
before. 

544
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,200
So there's a lot of weight to 
put on and be on TV. 

545
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:25,400
I think I Stevie so brutal, any 
how tall I think it was that 

546
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:29,900
kind of a went down and up but I
just was in Turmoil with it and 

547
00:30:29,900 --> 00:30:33,700
I started to only wear dresses 
and I don't really love dresses.

548
00:30:33,700 --> 00:30:37,700
I mean I do but not like a 
skirt, a top but I decided that 

549
00:30:37,700 --> 00:30:41,800
dresses would be where I'd hide 
and it completely changed the 

550
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:42,900
way. 
I wanted to dress, which was 

551
00:30:42,900 --> 00:30:45,400
really frustrating, because I 
still knew how I wanted to 

552
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:49,500
dress, but I couldn't do it. 
I couldn't get there, I couldn't

553
00:30:49,500 --> 00:30:52,100
get the body, I wanted to wear 
the things I wanted. 

554
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,400
So I felt quite trapped and it's
very difficult to lose weight 

555
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,200
and start focusing on yourself. 
And Do all the things that it 

556
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,700
took for me to get into shape. 
Now, when you're on screen three

557
00:31:02,700 --> 00:31:05,800
times a week and you're tired 
and it's been ten years of your 

558
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:10,400
life and I just was not in the 
right head space to look after 

559
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,400
myself. 
How does it feel to have the 

560
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:16,300
press permanently talking about 
your way wearable? 

561
00:31:16,300 --> 00:31:20,700
So horrible and again, now be 
that cruel. 

562
00:31:20,900 --> 00:31:23,200
I don't know, but like, Lily's 
wedding. 

563
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:24,400
Oh my God, they were so awful to
me. 

564
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:28,400
I think they call me her, big 
fat bridesmaid because of that. 

565
00:31:28,500 --> 00:31:30,600
My Big Fat Greek Wedding and 
come out. 

566
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,900
And that was like a big day for 
us as a family and I was Lily's 

567
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,800
head bridesmaid. 
But I knew I didn't feel good 

568
00:31:38,100 --> 00:31:41,000
and to have it it was all over 
the papers the next day. 

569
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:45,700
And Lily was really a sort of, I
don't know. 

570
00:31:46,100 --> 00:31:47,700
I don't know. 
It's kind of hard to discuss 

571
00:31:47,700 --> 00:31:50,200
with each other as friends. 
We, I just felt like I didn't 

572
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,400
barest her own. 
Oh yeah, it was. 

573
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,400
I'm sure she would not feel that
at all. 

574
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,000
No, I think she probably felt 
devastated. 

575
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,500
Yeah, yeah. 
It was really in good shape. 

576
00:31:59,500 --> 00:32:02,900
Now we look great is that we 
don't go through a silver lining

577
00:32:02,900 --> 00:32:04,400
is silver lining. 
It is it. 

578
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,700
Actually, our thirties would be 
a hell of a lot better than I 

579
00:32:06,700 --> 00:32:12,900
was when he's a better investor.
No, no, it's no lie. 

580
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:14,800
It is no lie. 
I promise you. 

581
00:32:15,700 --> 00:32:17,600
Would you say you have a style 
icon. 

582
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:19,500
I don't think there's only one 
person. 

583
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:24,600
Maybe share in the 70s. 
Oh God, yeah, sure. 

584
00:32:24,700 --> 00:32:29,800
But if I asked you to sum up 
your style in three, Words, or 

585
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:34,300
how you would want someone to 
describe you, in three words, if

586
00:32:34,300 --> 00:32:37,300
that makes it easier, I guess 
neat. 

587
00:32:37,500 --> 00:32:39,900
Hmm. 
Because my hair's always like, 

588
00:32:39,900 --> 00:32:42,600
you know, plaits and curly. 
So I like to counteract that 

589
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:50,200
with being quite neat Sharp. 
and, True. 

590
00:32:51,300 --> 00:32:53,600
I like that. 
I like that. 

591
00:32:53,700 --> 00:32:54,400
Okay. 
Good. 

592
00:32:54,500 --> 00:32:56,500
Do you have one item of 
clothing? 

593
00:32:56,500 --> 00:33:01,000
That means the most to you. 
Yeah. 

594
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:05,200
Yeah it was this wasn't the 
Alaia bridesmaid in Euro. 

595
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:10,000
It's not what you really should.
Do you know what? 

596
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:14,300
It was a dress. 
That looks very similar to that 

597
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:18,000
that's so weird. 
That's so I think maybe I was 

598
00:33:18,300 --> 00:33:21,500
that's why I was drawn to this 
dress, it's quite recent in my 

599
00:33:21,500 --> 00:33:23,900
life but it means so much to me.
And when we were in the 

600
00:33:23,908 --> 00:33:26,400
Caribbean, we interviewed this 
artist called Sheena Rose. 

601
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,500
And she makes all this beautiful
art and she had made one Dress 

602
00:33:30,700 --> 00:33:34,600
just one and it's bubblegum pink
and it's silk and it's kind of 

603
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,800
avant-garde shaped with these 
kind of, not Ruffles, but just 

604
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,300
shapes. 
And I was like, can I have that 

605
00:33:42,300 --> 00:33:43,900
dress? 
I will wear it to something 

606
00:33:43,900 --> 00:33:46,900
important for you in England and
she was out, would you actually 

607
00:33:46,900 --> 00:33:51,100
and I wore it to the British 
fashion Awards and was in all 

608
00:33:51,100 --> 00:33:56,700
these lovely lists and showed 
her and she was so moved that I 

609
00:33:56,700 --> 00:33:59,900
had taken a piece of her work to
this important place and it was 

610
00:34:00,100 --> 00:34:03,900
But these fashion eyes, which 
was important to her and change 

611
00:34:03,900 --> 00:34:07,400
what she wants to do. 
And I felt like I'd taken this 

612
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,600
dress on this journey, which is 
probably why I like second hand 

613
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:14,500
clothes when journey is just 
journey and story and people are

614
00:34:14,500 --> 00:34:17,300
just within them. 
So I think that dress is and now

615
00:34:17,300 --> 00:34:19,300
looking at every time I think 
and also is my first ever 

616
00:34:19,300 --> 00:34:22,100
professional terraforming. 
Oh my God. 

617
00:34:22,100 --> 00:34:25,300
Scariest very copper ever. 
It is quite scary, wasn't it? 

618
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,800
And it took a lot of like come 
on let's do this. 

619
00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:31,400
And so I was very proud of 
myself for Kind of doing it. 

620
00:34:31,500 --> 00:34:32,900
And so funny. 
Because this year, I was not 

621
00:34:32,900 --> 00:34:38,400
then working on it and I was 
like, well, it's just like if 

622
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,400
when you're scared of something,
you must do it because the other

623
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,500
side is just like it does get 
rid of that fear. 

624
00:34:42,500 --> 00:34:46,900
And suddenly, it completely just
just turning sort of to Fashion 

625
00:34:46,900 --> 00:34:50,000
moments. 
Do you have a fashion moment 

626
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:54,600
that you look back on and think?
Oh my God, terrible one. 

627
00:34:54,699 --> 00:34:58,200
Yeah, Katya. 
I went to the Where the Wild 

628
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,900
Things Are premiere. 
I was like 24 and I thought it 

629
00:35:01,900 --> 00:35:06,100
would be okay and like a good 
idea to wear a trilby stroke for

630
00:35:06,100 --> 00:35:09,100
Dora which is like not a look 
that works for me. 

631
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,200
I don't look good in hats, not 
that hat. 

632
00:35:11,500 --> 00:35:15,400
And I also dressed of it like I 
don't know. 

633
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,100
It was like, I think in 
Libertines time or something. 

634
00:35:18,100 --> 00:35:22,400
No, it wasn't that time was more
like Indy was big and it's just 

635
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,100
hideous and it's because I did a
red carpet. 

636
00:35:25,100 --> 00:35:28,800
I see occasion. 
I'm like, okay well on a more 

637
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:34,800
positive note, one that you just
go back to and think yes I think

638
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,300
it was that first British 
national. 

639
00:35:36,300 --> 00:35:38,500
Yeah. 
Dress sounds like it. 

640
00:35:38,500 --> 00:35:42,200
Yeah, it was the biggest red 
carpet of ever done in and I 

641
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:46,300
loved that I had Done something 
special with the moment and not 

642
00:35:46,300 --> 00:35:47,700
just what? 
Type of red carpet in address 

643
00:35:47,700 --> 00:35:49,700
linked to me? 
Yeah, that's what I was too 

644
00:35:49,700 --> 00:35:52,100
magical. 
Yeah, that you were wearing a 

645
00:35:52,107 --> 00:35:54,700
piece of art piece of art and 
doing something for someone 

646
00:35:54,700 --> 00:35:56,900
else. 
But she never thought she could 

647
00:35:56,900 --> 00:35:58,000
see. 
She never thought she could see 

648
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,000
her work somewhere, like, that 
credible generous Spirit up, 

649
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,400
let's talk about travel for a 
moment. 

650
00:36:03,700 --> 00:36:07,900
Do you think about your airport?
Look yeah, I'm going away 

651
00:36:07,900 --> 00:36:10,000
tomorrow for a workshop very 
much. 

652
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,000
Think about my airport look 
what's it going to be? 

653
00:36:12,500 --> 00:36:15,900
I have this is it that my The 
side like this is me kind of 

654
00:36:15,900 --> 00:36:18,300
smart, casual, but my other 
sighs. 

655
00:36:18,300 --> 00:36:22,000
I love baggy, jogging bottoms 
and big baggy. 

656
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,300
Plain jumpers. 
I get them in like the men's 

657
00:36:25,300 --> 00:36:27,100
parts of Charity shops like 
blue. 

658
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:31,200
The men's part of a charity 
shop, I just got the most 

659
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,300
brilliant and a jacket. 
Yes, the jackets are better 

660
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,700
because they're not nipped in 
the kind of big oversized. 

661
00:36:37,900 --> 00:36:41,800
So tomorrow, I'll be in like a 
massive blue, Lacoste jumper and

662
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:47,800
big old cap. 
A Navy, jogging bottoms and 

663
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,100
trainers. 
My very cozy puffer jacket I'm 

664
00:36:51,100 --> 00:36:53,900
wearing. 
So I like to be cozy when I'm 

665
00:36:53,900 --> 00:36:56,800
not on. 
Are you on a long-haul flight? 

666
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,900
I'm going to Barbados so seven 
hours. 

667
00:36:59,500 --> 00:37:01,000
Yeah, long enough? 
Yeah, long enough. 

668
00:37:01,100 --> 00:37:03,500
Obviously they're doing more 
with your mum. 

669
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,200
Do you have opinions on what she
wears and does she have opinions

670
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,600
on what you wear? 
I don't know about having, you 

671
00:37:09,607 --> 00:37:12,700
know what I wear but I am 
obsessed with the story of my 

672
00:37:12,700 --> 00:37:14,500
Mom stole. 
My mom was never Too close. 

673
00:37:14,500 --> 00:37:16,900
She was when she was younger. 
Her Nana, when they were in a 

674
00:37:16,900 --> 00:37:20,500
band called rig and panic. 
Very stylish, creative Maniacs. 

675
00:37:20,500 --> 00:37:22,800
Just like dancing around. 
Like, African tribal wear and 

676
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,400
will, so just like charity shop 
closed, they looked banging. 

677
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,800
But then my mom was really 
overweight for a long time in 

678
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,500
the middle of her life, and just
hit from clothes and decided, 

679
00:37:32,500 --> 00:37:35,800
they want something for her. 
And then five years ago, lost 

680
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:40,700
weight got this huge mainstream 
job as, as a judge on Great 

681
00:37:40,700 --> 00:37:43,800
British menu, which then morphed
into her taking over as being 

682
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:48,100
the Center and is now like my 
mother's show and to watch has 

683
00:37:48,100 --> 00:37:51,800
style evolved into what it is. 
Now is just been extraordinary, 

684
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:56,600
she's a black bald woman in her 
late 50s on mainstream BBC TV, 

685
00:37:56,700 --> 00:38:03,600
wearing color and style and you 
know jumpsuits and sequins and 

686
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:08,000
pattern print her and her 
fantastic style is Shara they 

687
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,700
you know that wasn't the side as
the BBC we're gonna give her and

688
00:38:10,700 --> 00:38:13,600
I said, Mom just like to keep it
down. 

689
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,800
Take this Because you've got to 
feel at home and your yes. 

690
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,700
And she said, no, I won't wear 
what they think is, right and I 

691
00:38:20,700 --> 00:38:23,600
think that's a real conditioning
of our industry. 

692
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,100
I'm like, she's lucky enough to 
have got the job, don't rustle 

693
00:38:26,100 --> 00:38:29,100
any feathers, but because she 
was Brave and listen to her gut 

694
00:38:29,100 --> 00:38:32,300
and worked with this young girl,
they've now evolved into her 

695
00:38:32,300 --> 00:38:34,400
style being like the secondary 
thing about the show. 

696
00:38:34,700 --> 00:38:40,300
So I'm so proud of my mom for 
stepping into this whole new 

697
00:38:40,300 --> 00:38:44,800
part of herself and the amount 
of love we get from Women of all

698
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,800
ages and men men, like, I love 
what you wear, it's 

699
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:52,200
extraordinary to show, what? 
How you can feel beautiful 

700
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:56,100
without all the things that 
people assume our beautii hair. 

701
00:38:56,500 --> 00:39:00,100
Yeah, youth, yeah, whiteness. 
So yeah. 

702
00:39:00,100 --> 00:39:03,900
It's been beautiful. 
Do you have a particular charity

703
00:39:03,900 --> 00:39:06,600
shop? 
That you always find great 

704
00:39:06,700 --> 00:39:09,600
things in? 
Yes, there's you're not going to

705
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,100
share the name. 
I am who I am. 

706
00:39:14,100 --> 00:39:19,000
Like it's more of a jumble sale.
Like it's, I like a really 

707
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:23,400
Cherry a real charity shop. 
I don't like a sort of vintage 

708
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:24,900
shop masquerading as a charity 
shop. 

709
00:39:24,900 --> 00:39:28,500
I like it to be almost a jumble 
sale and there's a sue Ryder on 

710
00:39:28,500 --> 00:39:32,400
A6 road which is lovely. 
Clean smells great. 

711
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,900
Everything's washed and like 
steamed and they just have all 

712
00:39:35,900 --> 00:39:37,600
the best mini skirts. 
I think I've got maybe six or 

713
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,300
seven of my favorite miniskirts 
from there. 

714
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,500
I think it's because of the all 
the great Islington chicks 

715
00:39:42,500 --> 00:39:45,200
around the area. 
I'm donating. 

716
00:39:45,500 --> 00:39:50,100
And then there's also a jumble 
sale place on ches Knob Road in 

717
00:39:50,100 --> 00:39:52,900
Stoke, Newington, which is I 
don't know. 

718
00:39:52,900 --> 00:39:55,900
But it's I mean it's pretty 
nondescript but I found these 

719
00:39:56,300 --> 00:39:59,200
brilliant Paul Smith men's jeans
in there, for a pound. 

720
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,600
But so guilty, secret, you're 
talking about all these 

721
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:05,500
Fantastic Finds and three pounds
for this and a pound for that. 

722
00:40:05,900 --> 00:40:09,200
What is the most expensive item 
of clothing that you've ever 

723
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,500
bought? 
I think I have one pair of 

724
00:40:11,500 --> 00:40:13,200
manolos. 
That's about 1,200 quid it and I

725
00:40:13,207 --> 00:40:17,700
felt Kind of weird spending that
much money on a pair of shoes. 

726
00:40:17,700 --> 00:40:20,700
But I am obsessed with them and 
I adore them. 

727
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,900
And I see them as a piece of 
art, but that's why I've started

728
00:40:23,900 --> 00:40:27,200
trying to buy art now because 
I'm like, it's lovely that you 

729
00:40:27,300 --> 00:40:31,300
shouldn't be fashioned are not 
actually are so, do I have this 

730
00:40:31,300 --> 00:40:35,100
thing actually? 
I think the way we hang our 

731
00:40:35,100 --> 00:40:39,000
clothes store our clothes. 
It's part of our lives. 

732
00:40:39,100 --> 00:40:43,300
And so actually, it should be 
celebrated and should be rather 

733
00:40:43,300 --> 00:40:44,100
beautiful. 
Yes. 

734
00:40:44,300 --> 00:40:46,400
And our personal histories are 
in our wardrobes. 

735
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,000
You know that my water I didn't 
just build because it's nice 

736
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,100
place for the clothes. 
It's because everything I've 

737
00:40:51,100 --> 00:40:53,400
ever been through in my life is 
in that room. 

738
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:58,000
And talking to me and reminding 
me and showing me who I've been 

739
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,500
in, who I am, it's like so much 
conversation in your wardrobe. 

740
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:06,700
It is so true. 
And part of this podcast is 

741
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:11,800
talking about that Journey that 
conversation and I love delving 

742
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:16,600
into those Journeys. 
Yeah, I always ask this 

743
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:18,800
question. 
What is your approach to 

744
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:22,700
sustainable fashion? 
Now, I know that you're 

745
00:41:22,700 --> 00:41:27,200
passionate about secondhand but 
what do you have any other 

746
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:32,400
approaches to sustainability? 
I mean I do agree clear out 

747
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:36,100
every six months and we have to 
because there's so many clothes 

748
00:41:36,100 --> 00:41:38,800
that needs to be bought for TV 
shows where you didn't. 

749
00:41:39,100 --> 00:41:43,400
So what do you do with taken 
back and taken back to the 

750
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,700
charity jobs? 
Or they go into our storage 

751
00:41:45,700 --> 00:41:48,200
space. 
We have said we are building our

752
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:52,600
archive archive mums, worse, 
because mum, we, as in you and 

753
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:56,000
Mum minimum. 
Yeah, mums worse, because mum, 

754
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,300
every series of Great British 
menu needs like 35 new looks or 

755
00:41:59,300 --> 00:42:01,800
maybe even more. 
And do you, do you have to 

756
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,700
retain your key looks to be part
of your archive? 

757
00:42:05,700 --> 00:42:08,700
Is that does that thinking? 
Yes, I think that's I think more

758
00:42:08,700 --> 00:42:13,200
with mum because they're also I 
just got 10, really, beautiful? 

759
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,700
Cashmere Navy jumpers. 
That I want to be looked after, 

760
00:42:15,900 --> 00:42:19,100
but if I see that, I have 10, I 
take six back to the charity 

761
00:42:19,100 --> 00:42:21,200
shops. 
And I do not need this amount 

762
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,700
because also, because I only 
really shop in charity shops. 

763
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,500
If I suddenly run out of navy, 
blue jumpers I can just get 

764
00:42:26,500 --> 00:42:28,700
another one for a fiver, any 
charity shop. 

765
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,200
I also like the idea of new 
stories for these clothes, you 

766
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:33,600
know, I like that. 
I'll be on Sunday brunch, 

767
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,300
wearing a dress that could have 
been someone water like a 

768
00:42:36,300 --> 00:42:39,400
wedding, their sisters wedding 
in whole in like the 70s. 

769
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:41,100
And now I'm wearing it's resent 
TV. 

770
00:42:41,300 --> 00:42:43,000
Really like being part of that 
story. 

771
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,600
Okay, onto some quick, fire 
questions. 

772
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:47,800
Okay. 
What fashion advice would you 

773
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:54,100
give to your 20 year old self? 
I'd say stop cutting your tights

774
00:42:54,100 --> 00:42:56,000
and wearing them as leggings 
under skirts. 

775
00:42:56,000 --> 00:43:02,300
It doesn't look good. 
Which fashion trend would you 

776
00:43:02,300 --> 00:43:03,900
like to see? 
Make a comeback? 

777
00:43:04,900 --> 00:43:08,900
Grant Mitchell all at the 
Mitchell Brothers leather 

778
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:10,800
jacket. 
Like leather coats, you know, 

779
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:14,200
they're like straight to the 
knee and everyone says I look 

780
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,300
like a security guy but I 
haven't met Sheikh. 

781
00:43:16,300 --> 00:43:17,800
I think it was like Prada I 
meant. 

782
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,200
I love the fact that you have 
these references to these very 

783
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,800
specific reference amateur 
leather jackets. 

784
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:29,100
He actually knew what was up? 
What fashion or beauty Trend? 

785
00:43:29,100 --> 00:43:33,400
Would you consign to Room 101? 
A playsuit like the denim ones 

786
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:34,600
they were everywhere at one 
point. 

787
00:43:34,700 --> 00:43:38,200
Ain't like the girl, I love 
dungarees but the cutoff they 

788
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:39,500
were called something. 
Everyone has to wear them to 

789
00:43:39,500 --> 00:43:42,200
festivals and wet themselves 
because I'm here with me. 

790
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,100
I'll say, thanks for the detail.
I don't like those. 

791
00:43:45,100 --> 00:43:48,400
They can they can go. 
I've never liked those 101. 

792
00:43:48,900 --> 00:43:52,300
Your last impulse buy. 
Oh I love it. 

793
00:43:52,300 --> 00:43:56,100
It was a big lavender. 
I mean, lavender Amanda like 

794
00:43:56,100 --> 00:43:57,800
lavender. 
Oh yeah, you're in love and he's

795
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:02,400
dead, looks fantastic, feeling 
loved and a big lavender men's 

796
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,500
sports jumper cause I was going 
to visit my That in Scotland, he

797
00:44:05,500 --> 00:44:09,600
went by the way, it is so cold 
here but I was like, but it's 

798
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:11,700
always called he wouldn't even 
Scottish people are cold. 

799
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,200
So I went nuts. 
I've walked like thermals I got 

800
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:17,300
there really wasn't that cold 
but I love the jumper. 

801
00:44:18,100 --> 00:44:23,400
What are your views on tattoos? 
I have one mistake tattoo that 

802
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,000
my friend Grimmy did for me 
which I hate. 

803
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:29,700
I was thinking all day. 
Do I fancy boys with tattoos? 

804
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:35,800
Beauty treatment, you couldn't 
give up. 

805
00:44:37,300 --> 00:44:41,500
Moisturizing with almond oil. 
My whole body. 

806
00:44:41,700 --> 00:44:47,000
Every after, every shower or 
almond or delicious high-end or 

807
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:53,700
High Street, high-end lingo, 
bear, bear, minimalism or 

808
00:44:53,700 --> 00:44:55,200
maximalism. 
Minimalism. 

809
00:44:55,200 --> 00:45:01,900
I love minimalism culture or 
charity, shop, charity shop, but

810
00:45:01,900 --> 00:45:06,500
I do love to gaze at culture and
the shapes 104 bog off. 

811
00:45:07,300 --> 00:45:14,000
Oh God, one off, Crocs cute, or 
puke cute sneakers, or stilettos

812
00:45:14,900 --> 00:45:17,000
sneakers. 
I can't walk as does is that's 

813
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:18,700
the other reason. 
I'm not really feels. 

814
00:45:18,700 --> 00:45:21,900
I cannot walk until he also 
don't know how people do it 

815
00:45:23,300 --> 00:45:24,500
party. 
Wearing PJs. 

816
00:45:25,900 --> 00:45:32,800
PJ's Trend or Style Style 
experimental or uniform. 

817
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:39,400
Experimental shapewear or sexy, 
lingerie sexy. 

818
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:43,700
Lingerie title stockings tights,
but they have to be 10 10 year. 

819
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:47,800
Bikini on One Piece. 
One Piece. 

820
00:45:47,900 --> 00:45:54,800
I love a speedo beanie or Barry.
I think a beanie. 

821
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:59,700
And finally Nikita, one last 
question at the end of the day. 

822
00:45:59,900 --> 00:46:02,600
What do you or don't you wear in
bed? 

823
00:46:04,700 --> 00:46:09,100
I wear men's boxers and nothing 
else. 

824
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,600
Seven, sexy. 
Super sex is everywhere. 

825
00:46:14,500 --> 00:46:21,600
I wish I could. 
I love men's boxers, Nikita. 

826
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:26,100
It has been such a pleasure 
chatting with you about all 

827
00:46:26,100 --> 00:46:32,000
things fashion style, secondhand
just brilliant. 

828
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,800
Thank you for making the time to
be with me here today. 

829
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:36,800
Thank you so much. 
I enjoyed it so much, and thank 

830
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,600
you for this view. 
I'm going to take some pictures,

831
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:40,600
it's okay if you go ahead,