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Today I'm going on a style 
journey with the multi 

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award-winning International 
Interior Designer Sophie 

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Patterson. 
Hello and welcome, Sophie. 

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Thank you for having me, Amanda.
It's lovely to see you wearing 

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vintage Wakely, I know. 
This is my favorite outfit. 

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I wear it all the time on social
media and people always ask me 

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where it's from and I have to 
disappoint them and say it's 

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you. 
But it's 1520 just. 

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Appoint them and tell them it's 
me it's not available. 

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Everyone wants to buy it, but 
actually this was a hand me down

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for my mother-in-law. 
Really. 

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She gives me the best hand me 
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She used to wear this when she 
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at 41. 
But yeah, it's just timeless, so

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comfortable. 
And the fabric it feels like is 

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wearing a tracksuit. 
It's gorgeous, but the 

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silhouette's so flattering. 
And then it's got the silk 

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trims, so you get that lovely 
touch against your. 

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I love that. 
Honestly, if you could bring 

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this back out in more colours, 
this is all I would wear. 

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That must be about 2000 and 
eight 2009. 

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Yeah. 
So good on you. 

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Yeah, I mean, good fashion never
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Love that, I love that now many 
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known specifically for a sort of
certain type of design or indeed

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a colour and I would just love 
to know how you would describe 

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your interiors style DNA. 
I would say if we were to 

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summarize it, although I think 
we're known for this style, but 

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we do do different styles as 
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We're known for our sort of 
classic contemporary style, so a

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real hybrid of some classical 
interior architecture laid up 

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with small Modern furniture. 
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projects where the client came 
to me, they said that they only 

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want to have antiques, they want
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have done that. 
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recognise that as our kind of 
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So it's nice to have variety, 
but I would say we're classic 

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contemporary. 
I mean, looking at your website 

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and your Instagram grid, it's 
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And I just wonder how that must 
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OK, antiques colour does that. 
That must take you slightly out 

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of your comfort zone at all. 
Or is that a really exciting 

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challenge? 
I would say it's changed. 

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When I first started my company 
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that to me, I just don't think I
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I think now, you know, we've got
so much experience under our 

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belt, it's actually a really 
nice opportunity to do something

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different because so many of our
clients come to us, they've seen

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our work on Instagram or 
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They bring a whole sort of 
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And then we love this from this 
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Can you just merge it all 
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And that's not interesting as a 
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That's not what I want to do. 
It's not fair to my previous 

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says I want to do something 
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it's really exciting for me and 
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Have you ever had a brief that 
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Oh my God, no thanks. 
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And as you say that like I can 
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out of my head and I just don't 
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I won't say any names. 
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Of course. 
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country and I Google everyone 
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obviously I'm a woman and I've 
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know, I don't have security and 
you're quite vulnerable as a 

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woman going to people's homes 
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So I try and find out as much as
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So we've done our research on 
this person I'd shared with my 

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husband. 
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we went there and it was just 
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gallery. 
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middle of this property. 
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huge car collection. 
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to have professional divers come
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I can't remember who it was. 
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whole basement floor. 
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And then you compare that with 
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just like, I can't see how these
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But it was more his wife that 
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She wanted me, but he wanted me 
to be able to somehow magically 

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merge our style with all these 
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So that's the one that stands up
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And there was a whole other 
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we get to see some really 
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I would love to write a book 
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Could you not just sort of 
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count? 
Truth. 

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I have a pile of Ndas as high as
my, you know, as high as my eye.

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So I would probably do that if I
was like, OK, I'm out. 

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these things that happen, but 
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keep it to myself. 
You must have some serious 

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laughs. 
Yeah, it's, it's fascinating. 

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You know, I would do, I wouldn't
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I hope none of them are 
listening. 

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But if I wasn't paid to do this 
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it because I'm naturally quite a
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nosy, but I'm interested. 
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So the fact that I get to go to 
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world, I get to see how 
different people live, you get a

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real insight into really 
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I love that aspect of that so. 
How did you merge the graffiti 

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culture with Sophie Patterson? 
Beautiful. 

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Timeless. 
Not that you're a very 

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cutitious. 
And I pondered on that for about

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a week and in the end, you know,
if I don't feel like I can do 

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something that people will be 
happy with and I just didn't see

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how I can make both of them 
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So I very politely decline that 
project. 

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You know, I'm very selective 
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I only take on about 6 to 8 
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inundated with enquiries. 
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I've learnt over the years, you 
know, listen to my gut and don't

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do it because we're we're 
working with these people for 

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2345 years and it's. 
Intensely personal. 

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It's very personal and I feel 
like you've got to understand 

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the brief, you've got to be able
to deliver, but you've also got 

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to click. 
And I think that's a mutual 

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thing. 
You know, if they like you, 

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you're probably going to like 
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Because are you, are you taking 
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ever with you know, when, when 
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might have dozens of your mood 
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And I, I would imagine that you 
might have to try to take them 

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out of their comfort zone a 
little bit to absolutely just 

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take it to the next. 
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And I think that's how our job 
as an interior designer, if you 

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just give them what they think 
they want, they're not getting 

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the full value from you. 
You know, they might be looking 

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at a project that I've designed 
5-10 years ago that they like, 

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whereas I want to design 
something that's going to look 

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good for the next 15 to 20 years
that's right for their home. 

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So we do, in a very sort of 
diplomatic, gentle way, sort of 

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guide them away from certain 
things that we don't think will 

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work. 
But ultimately, I would say to 

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them, if this is what you're 
adamant you want, I'll tell you 

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the reasons why I don't think we
should do it. 

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I'll show you some alternatives 
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But the decision lies with them.
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kind of put the ball back in 
their park, they're like, OK, 

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we've hired you for a reason. 
We'll go with your advice. 

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How do you feel the interior 
space has changed since you 

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started? 
Hugely. 

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I think it's a lot more diverse,
it's a lot more open. 

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I think there's still a lot more
work to do. 

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I remember when I first started 
18 years ago, I couldn't get a 

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job. 
I couldn't even get an 

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internship. 
That's why I set my own company.

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And I think there were so many 
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And I think social media has had
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You know, the world is a lot 
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Clients are a lot more educated.
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understand where things come 
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I think interior design has 
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accessible in some ways. 
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of people that guard those 
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I think we like to think that 
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people don't want to share 
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They feel like their value as a 
designer is held in those trade 

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secrets or those secret 
suppliers, whereas I'm quite an 

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open person. 
I feel like if someone wants to 

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use my services, it's not 
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it's because of the touch that 
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It's the process, it's the 
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and and the end result as well. 
Yeah, which is incredibly 

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generous actually, because I 
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let's put it that way. 
So much so that you're starting 

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an Academy. 
I am. 

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Tell me about that. 
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I started this process 14 months
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was letting myself in for. 
It has taken over my world to 

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the extent that I travel 
everywhere, including here with 

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my laptop. 
Because I'm currently reviewing.

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I think we're 3/4 of the way 
through, but there was 100 hours

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of footage, so I recorded. 
I think we did 40 video shoots, 

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40 photo shoots, and now we're 
compiling everything together 

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into 8 modules. 
And so there's 100 hours of 

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footage that we've had to narrow
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And you know, I'm a 
perfectionist so I put myself 

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under so much pressure. 
I want this to be the go to 

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course. 
I want people to be able to 

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watch this and feel empowered 
that they've got the knowledge 

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of how to design their projects,
how to become an interior 

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designer. 
But I think there's a real gap 

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in the market of we hire a lot 
of graduates from design schools

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and time and time again with 
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And also like my audience on 
social media, I see that there's

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a real gap between what they're 
taught in terms of theory at 

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school or university and then 
that on site knowledge that you 

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need, you know, the just small 
practical things like the gap 

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you need between chairs and 
tables and really simple 

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mistakes. 
But I see them made time and 

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time again. 
So I've got the whole process, 

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everything from like how we take
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our mood boards, how we do space
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sharing joinery designs and 
drawings that people can have. 

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Even our list of suppliers we've
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extensive, but like my main go 
to ones that I feel like I stand

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behind these and you'll be safe 
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But also there's common mistakes
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know where to start. 
I know how overwhelming it can 

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be. 
I still remember being that sort

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of 23 year old starting being 
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So we've put that in place and 
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information they need. 
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And so will that be you're, 
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this as graduates as well as 
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to design their own home? 
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So it's been interesting. 
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about 3-4 months ago and I go 
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I'm just interested to see who 
signed up. 

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I've seen other interior 
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of designed it with that in 
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That's what I thought would 
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Knowing my audience very well, I
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owners that don't want to or 
can't afford to hire an interior

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designer that would sign up. 
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recruited lots of young 
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people that want to further 
their knowledge to kind of still

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lack that confidence even though
they've got the qualifications. 

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So yeah, there's a real mix. 
I've pre recorded all the video 

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modules and then alongside the 
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and you'll have access to that 
for life. 

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We've done workbooks and I think
I wrote the script to myself and

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I think there's like 120,000 
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into individual modules and the 
work I'm. 

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Writing a book and I've only 
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Really. 
That is unbelievable 120,000. 

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Words. 
Yeah, it's been. 

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Hats off. 
I literally, I wake up with my 

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laptop, I go to bed with my 
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personally review everything, of
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Hopefully it'll be worth that, 
of course. 

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You. 
You sound like a total 

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perfectionist. 
Can I ask you what star sign you

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are? 
What do you think I would be 

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well. 
I I would put you as a Virgo 

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because. 
It's interesting. 

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Because we're perfectionist, but
I'm a Virgo, so. 

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I'm a Libra. 
OK, but then. 

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And I think the thing with 
Lebrons is we love luxury. 

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We also seek balance. 
So I'm feeling like I'm really 

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looking forward to having a 
break after this launches 

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because it's, it's been like my 
life long work putting into I've

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really put my soul, my heart 
onto this. 

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I might even have to have a 
little shifty at that. 

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Now I just sort of doing my 
research because we've never met

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before despite you wearing 
weekly which. 

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I've and I'm a huge avid fan. 
It seems to me you're very open 

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and honest about creative self 
doubt. 

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And by the way, self doubt in 
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hand in my humble opinion. 
But you've clearly built up a 

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lovely warm community. 
Are you very hands on with your 

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social channels? 
Very hands on. 

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So I didn't have any help until 
I've got Bella standing over 

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there, but I think they joined 
me about a month ago. 

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So I did literally everything 
you're. 

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Joking. 
You did everything. 

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Everything. 
All the YouTube. 

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So obviously I didn't edit it 
and film it, but I came up with 

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the concepts. 
I write all the captions. 

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Yeah, everything. 
I respond to the comments, I 

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read all the DMS. 
I think it's such an important 

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part of the business there for 
any business. 

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I do too. 
I I totally agree with you 

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because it's that word 
authenticity, isn't it? 

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Which is sort of been massively 
overused. 

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But I do think people really 
know what's authentic and what's

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not A. 100% and even now I've 
got Megan and Bella that are 

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helping me. 
You know, I check every single, 

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I write a lot of the captions. 
I check every single thing. 

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Yeah, I'm a control freak as 
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matters to me. 
I think that's my voice and 

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that's my access to my audience.
And not only do I care about 

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what I'm putting out, but I also
really care about what the 

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response is. 
You know, what are people 

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wanting? 
What are they? 

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What are they interested in? 
And that's what really helped me

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with my business. 
Yeah, it it's fascinating, isn't

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it, having that dialogue really 
with your community. 

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Most valuable thing you can 
have. 

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Yeah, it it's free market 
research. 

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Really, 100%? 
Now, as well as your flourishing

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interior design business, you I 
noticed you were doing a host of

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collaborations. 
It's very exciting. 

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Really exciting. 
It's a completely different way 

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of designing. 
Yeah. 

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I mean, are there any collab? 
What would be your dream collab 

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that you haven't done? 
Do you know, do you have one 

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that's sort of on a vision board
that, God, I'd really love to do

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that. 
I think what the way I've been 

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doing is I've been going through
it quite systematically. 

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So my end goal is I want you to 
be able to buy Sophie Patterson 

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anything for your home. 
So we've already done home 

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accessories with Addison Ross. 
We've done Wallpapers, Fermental

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and Andrew Martin fabrics, 
cushions, handles, mirrors, 

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furniture. 
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rugs. 
I think they're quite an 

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important area for us. 
So I'm kind of working at the 

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moment. 
I've got a shortlist of the 

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suppliers that I think would be 
the right brand partners and 

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that will be a goal for 2026. 
How? 

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Lovely and rugs would would rugs
be hand knotted in Nepal? 

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What you know what's your? 
Yeah, that's a really good 

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question because there's two 
kind of routes that you can go 

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down. 
Obviously on our projects we use

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all the hand knotted the most 
like high end luxurious projects

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demand that kind of rug. 
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can see how commercially 
successful our ranges with Alice

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and Ross are because they are 
slightly more accessible. 

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So I'm just debating at the 
moment like which route do I 

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want to go down? 
I want the best quality, the 

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best standards, but I want to 
bring in an accessible price. 

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So that's kind of where my 
decision making process is right

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now. 
Very, very exciting. 

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Where are you at on 
sustainability with interiors? 

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Yeah, this is a big. 
Question, do you ever upcycle? 

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100%, yeah. 
I think it's something that's 

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becoming like a lot of us paid 
lip service to it for a long 

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time and kind of thought we'd 
get away with that. 

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Whereas now I think as a mother 
as well, like I really want to 

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be able to look at my children 
and not have them question me on

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how sustainable, you know, my 
work is. 

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So something that we naturally 
do is we use a lot of antiques. 

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You might upcycle them, 
repurpose them. 

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I remember one of the best 
projects we did was we had this 

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project, actually it was the one
where he only wanted antiques. 

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We had to create some cabinets 
to hide their air conditioning 

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units. 
So we took a chest of drawers 

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and antique chest drawers. 
Not priceless, very sort of 

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affordable. 
One that we found online. 

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We took the outside, the back of
it out, the all the inside out. 

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We put some slots on the top and
then that covers the air 

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conditioning unit. 
But it looks like a beautiful 

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antique Chester drawers. 
So I think it's all about kind 

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of repurposing, rethinking. 
And you know, I kind of take the

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same approach with interiors as 
I take with my wardrobe is that 

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we buy slowly. 
We really consider everything. 

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You know, if there's a client 
that isn't 100% in love with 

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something, we're not scared to 
say to them, you know what, 

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let's leave that as a gap. 
Don't have to fill the whole 

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house now if you want to come 
back to us in a year, we want to

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find like the perfect piece of 
art or the perfect antique. 

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We'll build that with you over 
time. 

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So I think if you buy what you 
love, you're going to keep it 

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forever. 
So today we're going on a style 

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journey. 
I know what you're wearing 

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today, but maybe you could 
describe? 

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It so this is Amanda one of my 
favorite outfits and I wear this

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a huge amount I wore this a lot 
in the Middle East when I was 

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doing some project tours of some
projects that I'd done that what

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I love about it is it's 
supremely comfortable I don't 

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even know what this fabric is 
what is this fabric it. 

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It's a Jersey A. 
Jersey, But it was a very. 

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Compact Jersey. 
It hangs beautifully. 

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It kind of holds you tight in 
all the right places, and it's a

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pencil skirt with this kind of 
loose top. 

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What would you call this 
silhouette? 

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It's just an oversized sort of 
sweat type, but it's a it's a 

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riff on a on a sweat, but it's 
it's got more of a really a 

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Balenciaga classic Balenciaga 
sleeve on. 

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It it for me, it's quite a sort 
of 1940s, nineteen 60s 

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silhouette and I feel like it's 
so flattering on the body. 

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Obviously it's yours, it's been 
designed by a woman, but I think

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you understand what women want 
and this, I absolutely love it. 

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But it's so comfortable. 
You can wear it in any climate 

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of worn in the Middle East. 
But then equally, I'm wearing it

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today on a rainy day in London, 
so. 

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Brilliant, and you've teamed it 
with? 

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These are some GM Vito Rossi 
shoes. 

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I almost exclusively only wear 
GM Vito Rossi. 

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I find them so comfortable, so 
comfortable. 

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And I think also being a mother 
now, you know, I think back to 

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when I was a little girl at 
school, I used to wear really 

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high heels everyday, walking 
miles to all my different 

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classes. 
And I remember my mum saying you

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can't wear heels that. 
High, you'll get backache, and 

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of course you don't when you're 
1718. 

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Whereas now I wear a pair of 
heels from the taxi to the table

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at the restaurant and I'm 
suffering with backache and 

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hippache and everything the next
day. 

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But on the whole, I find their 
shoes, Jim, Vito, Rossi, they're

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really comfortable. 
Talking about 1617, were you at 

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school at the time? 
I was at school, yeah, when I 

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was 16. 17 but not wearing a 
uniform. 

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No, I did have a uniform. 
I I went to Seven Oaks school in

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Cannes and we luckily by the 
time you're 17, you transition. 

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But I started off in this 
hideous kilt and they have a 

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rule that you're not allowed at 
above your knee. 

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You have to wear flat shoes. 
You're wearing this big boxy 

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blazer, had a green and blue 
tie. 

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And I didn't care about fashion 
back then. 

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I was a real sort of nerd living
in the library, so I was quite 

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happy. 
But I remember my sister was 

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also at the school at the same 
time and she was a cool girl. 

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And the upper 6th and I would go
and see her and before I was 

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allowed to hang out with her and
her friend, she'd roll my skirt 

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up, take my blazer off, try and 
sort my hair out. 

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But no, I didn't care about 
fashion back then. 

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I love that. 
I mean, you have five sisters. 

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Five. 
Yeah. 

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Was there any sort of sharing of
clothes as kids, as teenagers? 

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I mean, definitely stole a lot 
of my older sister's clothes and

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tried hiding them. 
We probably had our worst fights

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about clothes, and I remember 
there was one particular Lacoste

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jumper that our auntie had given
us and we still laugh about it 

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now all these decades later. 
But we ping ponged that Lacoste 

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jumper. 
I would steal it. 

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Neither of us was brave enough 
to actually wear it because then

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the other one would know that 
we'd stolen it. 

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But I would steal it, hide it at
the bottom of my wardrobe. 

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Then she'd find it, steal it in 
her drawer, and. 

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What did it look like? 
It was a grey V-neck, I mean 

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absolutely tiny, probably like a
size 0V neck jumper. 

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But Lacoste to us was like the 
Holy Grail of like this is 

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designer. 
We both really wanted it. 

450
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,040
And did you wear it much or you 
just? 

451
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,320
When she left, yeah, when she 
left, I was very like smug and I

452
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,600
was like, yes, I won it. 
And then I wore it for quite a 

453
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,200
few years. 
But no, we we would share 

454
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,240
clothes as well. 
We had quite similar style. 

455
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,800
But yeah, there was a lot of 
fights as well. 

456
00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:24,760
And did you recommend each 
other's sort of looks or? 

457
00:22:26,360 --> 00:22:29,120
No, Interestingly, I'd say we 
all have very different style. 

458
00:22:29,120 --> 00:22:32,360
Like my oldest sister, she's 
vegetarian, she doesn't wear 

459
00:22:32,360 --> 00:22:35,840
leather. 
My next sister, she's a mum and 

460
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,400
she has very different styles. 
She loves colour and pattern. 

461
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:40,440
I'm obviously all into my 
neutrals. 

462
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:42,880
My next sister after that, 
Charlotte, she's very into 

463
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:44,840
fashion. 
She's studied fashion, you know,

464
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:46,880
she's always wearing those 
really out there things. 

465
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,280
And I'm a bit like, oh, I'm not 
sure about what she's wearing. 

466
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,480
And then two years later I'm 
like, OK, now I get it. 

467
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:55,280
I'm on that bandwagon. 
After that, I've got another 

468
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,240
sister, she lives in Australia, 
so she's got a very sort of 

469
00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:00,240
casual, laid back style that 
works with that whole climate. 

470
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,880
And then my younger sister is 
16, so she's going through that 

471
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,800
whole sort of, you know, 
rebellious stage when you're a 

472
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,960
teenager and you don't want to 
wear what older siblings are 

473
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,280
telling you to wear. 
Yeah, love it. 

474
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,320
What did you wear to get married
to Kevin? 

475
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:21,800
I wore I was a very young bride.
I was 2424, which at the time I 

476
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,280
felt really grown up, but 
looking back, I was a child. 

477
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,760
I wore Jenny Packham, you know, 
I was only 24, so I wanted to 

478
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:30,560
wear something quite slinky. 
I didn't want to wear like a 

479
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:34,360
dress that was wearing me. 
It was really heavily 

480
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,160
embellished with lots of 
diamante, remember, had a 

481
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:41,800
beautiful a scoop back that went
down to AV and it was all just 

482
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,760
secured with this tiny little 
silk string, which, you know, I 

483
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,400
think back to that now, like my 
daughter loves to try on the 

484
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,160
dress. 
And I think, God, if one of 

485
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,760
those little strands went, that 
would have been an absolute 

486
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,320
disaster of the day. 
But I felt comfortable. 

487
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,280
I felt beautiful again. 
I think she just knows how to 

488
00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,080
dress women. 
And it was all kind of bias. 

489
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:00,960
So just hung beautifully. 
I loved her. 

490
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:06,040
Did you ever wear it again? 
I never tried it on at all until

491
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,960
Don't ask me why. 
When I was four or five months 

492
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,400
pregnant with my daughter, my 
first child, I decided that I 

493
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,920
wanted to try this on and I was 
always very flat chested until I

494
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,920
had kids. 
So I put this dress on and I 

495
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:20,800
actually took a picture of it 
and sent it to my mum and my 

496
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,200
mother-in-law. 
Because what was a very sort of 

497
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:27,160
stylish, beautiful bohemian 
dress, suddenly with this big 

498
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,840
bump and these boobs that 
appeared looked like something 

499
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:33,200
out of a stripper show with all 
the diamante, it completely 

500
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,360
changed the whole looks. 
Was it plunging? 

501
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,440
It was plunging, but if you 
don't have cleavage it, it looks

502
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,440
still very different. 
Yeah. 

503
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,960
So no, I haven't actually. 
That horrified me. 

504
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,000
I put it back in the wardrobe. 
Never tried it but my daughter 

505
00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:49,720
when she was about 3 she wants 
to try it on so I've got a 

506
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,400
really cute picture of her in my
dress and it's all pulling on 

507
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,320
the floor and she's got my veil 
on her as well. 

508
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:55,680
Oh. 
How gorgeous. 

509
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,920
I love those sort of memories. 
Kids dressing up. 

510
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:00,920
Love it. 
Did she have a heels? 

511
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,400
On too. 
Yeah, she does love to steal my 

512
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,760
heels, so I think under there 
and all that silk there was some

513
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,720
high heels as well. 
Have you ever been a bridesmaid?

514
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:10,960
I have, yeah. 
I've been a bridesmaid. 

515
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,920
Not until I was an adult, I 
think about six years ago. 

516
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,440
One of my best friends from uni 
and she had a great approach 

517
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,760
that she let us all pick our own
dresses but we had to be in the 

518
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,400
similar colour palette, which I 
think was such a good idea 

519
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,800
because we're all different 
shapes and sizes. 

520
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,680
It's a minefield, isn't it? 
And what did you end up wearing?

521
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:35,280
I wore needle and thread. 
It was a bluey colour. 

522
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,920
Little cap sleeves, again 
heavily embellished. 

523
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,920
I loved it and then all the 
other girls and it actually 

524
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:43,760
looked beautiful walking down 
the aisle as well. 

525
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:45,760
That we all had. 
Like similar hues but not 

526
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,640
exactly the same colour. 
Great idea. 

527
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,440
If I was to go back thinking 
about all the drama that 

528
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,960
surrounded my bridesmaid 
outfits, I would have taken that

529
00:25:55,960 --> 00:26:01,720
approach. 
Now you live in Surrey, I do. 

530
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:07,120
Did your style change at all 
when you moved out to the burbs?

531
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,520
No, because you know, I'm back 
and forth into London 3 or 4 

532
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,920
times a week and it's not like 
proper countryside. 

533
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,120
It's not like I live on a farm. 
I've got wellies. 

534
00:26:16,120 --> 00:26:17,760
No, I wear exactly the same 
thing. 

535
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,280
I'll get a little bit more 
elevated for London, I'll wear 

536
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,400
heels. 
But truthfully, like unless I'm 

537
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,960
going on a photo shoot or coming
to see someone fabulous like 

538
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,440
you, I am just wearing trainers 
and I dress for comfort these 

539
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,840
days. 
I think I like wearing elevator.

540
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,680
Like I love like a nice cashmere
jumper and like a nice crisp 

541
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,760
shirt, but if I'm not 
comfortable I don't feel 

542
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:42,800
stylish. 
And when you go and visit 

543
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:48,880
clients, do you ever try to sort
of adapt your look to the type 

544
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,720
of client they are? 
100% and and I, I think about 

545
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:54,440
this subconsciously, but also 
consciously. 

546
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,560
So say, if we're doing a 
presentation for a client and 

547
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:01,600
we've got all the fabric boards 
out, I will pick the colour that

548
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,840
I think is probably most 
controversial that they're least

549
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,440
likely to want to go ahead with.
Say if it's like a burgundy 

550
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,880
colour, and I'll wear that 
colour myself because I think it

551
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,560
kind of intrinsically seeps 
through and makes them feel a 

552
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,200
bit more at ease with that 
colour. 

553
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,440
And when I'm filming for 
YouTube's, like if we're doing a

554
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,720
project tour of a property we've
finished somewhere, I'll dress 

555
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:24,800
to match each room's interiors 
because I want my outfit. 

556
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,960
I want to almost disappear into 
the background and I want all 

557
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,040
the focus to be on the interior.
And then if I meet a client for 

558
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,840
the first time, I go very 
understated. 

559
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:34,960
You know, I feel like the star 
of the show is the client. 

560
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,760
Even though it doesn't matter 
how successful you become as an 

561
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,760
interior designer, it's still 
customer service. 

562
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,160
You don't want to be stealing 
their Thunder. 

563
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:46,320
So I won't wear like a a Birkin 
or a Kelly. 

564
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,800
I'll wear like a sort of more 
understated bag, understated 

565
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,560
jewellery. 
And then they kind of lead the 

566
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:56,160
way with their style. 
And show you their Birkin 

567
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,400
collection. 
Yeah, they've all got amazing 

568
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,960
Birkin collections. 
You have quite a big Middle 

569
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:07,320
Eastern clan base, I believe. 
Do you find yourself dressing 

570
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:11,560
sort of more modestly around 
them? 

571
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,040
I mean, I I've from what I can 
see of you, you're not an 

572
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,560
immodest dresser anyhow. 
I think that's something that 

573
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,360
I've always done. 
You know, I remember even when I

574
00:28:20,360 --> 00:28:25,880
met my husband, I was 19 in a 
nightclub, I was wearing a satin

575
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,480
below the knee skirt and 
everyone else around me was 

576
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,000
wearing belts. 
So I think it's just that's 

577
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,440
again, it comes back to comfort.
I don't like to feel like I'm 

578
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:35,840
tugging my skirt down. 
I don't want to feel 

579
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,160
uncomfortable what I'm wearing. 
So I've always kind of dressed 

580
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:42,400
quite modestly naturally. 
And then if I'm going somewhere 

581
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,600
in the in the Middle East, like 
if we were filming a project, 

582
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:47,520
I'd like to wear local 
designers. 

583
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,680
So when I was filming our 
projector and Iman, I contacted,

584
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,400
you know, 3 or 4 different 
designers because I wanted to 

585
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,480
showcase their work to our 
audience. 

586
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,160
And I thought that was a really 
nice way to do that. 

587
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,320
And actually, I feel really 
comfortable when like kaftans, 

588
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,000
like it works so well with their
climate. 

589
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:07,000
I remember going to the Grand 
Masque and I bought this kaftan.

590
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,320
It looked like a lot of fabric, 
but actually when you're wearing

591
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,920
it like the breeze, it just 
feels so easy, breezy and 

592
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:13,400
comfortable and you're not 
tight. 

593
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,120
I love them. 
I I'm absolutely on the same 

594
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,360
page as you on that one. 
I've just been in Marrakech and 

595
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,920
just just being in caftans is 
heaven. 

596
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,000
It's lovely, but actually I 
think it's changed so much as 

597
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:26,760
well. 
You know, I've worked in the 

598
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,600
Middle East for a long time now,
but I think, you know, until a 

599
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,080
few years ago you did have to 
dress quite modestly, whereas 

600
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:38,040
now I think actually it's so, 
you know, multicultural people, 

601
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,200
anything kind of goes. 
You want to be respectful in the

602
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,880
same way that I would want to 
wear respectful clothes in the 

603
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,240
UK. 
But I don't think we have to 

604
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:46,800
wear kaftans. 
I think it's just a nice 

605
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,400
opportunity. 
Absolutely. 

606
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,080
It just feels lovely. 
It does do. 

607
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,760
When you're doing a project like
the one you mentioned in Oman 

608
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,920
and you're using sort of you 
want to wear some local fashion,

609
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:02,640
do do you get the opportunity to
work with local Craftsman in 

610
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,280
terms of the project? 
Absolutely. 

611
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,000
Yeah. 
And I think again, that comes 

612
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,720
down to the sustainability. 
You know, when we first started 

613
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:11,520
doing international projects, 
there was this real sort of 

614
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,880
decision where we're like, are 
we going to use the suppliers 

615
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,160
that we know, that we've tested,
that we trust? 

616
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,800
Or each time we get a new 
international project, are we 

617
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,440
going to have to try new 
suppliers? 

618
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,200
So we do a hybrid, you know, 
with the furniture. 

619
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,080
I think a lot of our clients 
want specific pieces. 

620
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,040
You know, they might want a 
beautiful Shah green cabinet 

621
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,280
that comes from Paris. 
But then with all the joinery, 

622
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,920
all the large pieces of custom 
furniture, we'll work with a 

623
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,400
supplier in that country and 
that does take a bit more work. 

624
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,840
You've got to do some testing. 
I would say it's a lot more 

625
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,800
intensive because you really 
have to do that quality control.

626
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,560
You have to make sure that 
you've given them the drawings, 

627
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:47,480
but then you always have to 
check that they're following the

628
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:51,000
drawings. 
But to fly a joinery team, to 

629
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:55,200
fly all those materials out 
there, it would first cost an 

630
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,040
absolute arm and a leg and 
secondly, just, you know, such a

631
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,440
waste in terms of fuel and all 
that extra material. 

632
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,520
When you're designing, do you 
have a bit of a design uniform? 

633
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:12,080
As in what I wear. 
I think I have a uniform just 

634
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:16,080
for life, like I I wear what 
feels comfortable. 

635
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,920
So if I'm just with my team, I 
might be wearing jeans or a 

636
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,040
shirt or some nice tailored 
trousers. 

637
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:26,880
I wear a lot of Chanel ballet 
flats, a lot of Adidas trainers.

638
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:33,880
Yeah, I kind of, it changes, but
always kind of block colours, 

639
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,000
not a lot of pattern. 
You know, we have this running 

640
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,080
joke on our team that everyone 
thinks that I do have a uniform 

641
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,240
because quite often we'll all 
turn up whether we're wearing 

642
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,800
brown or cream or tan. 
I don't know why, but we just 

643
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,760
end up wearing the same colour 
palette quite often. 

644
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,800
Yeah, I used to find that and. 
And there's something really 

645
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,000
lovely because it sort of means 
you're all on the same page. 

646
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,840
Yeah. 
Do you have a style icon? 

647
00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:01,640
I have several SO I, I have a in
my camera on my phone, I have 

648
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,480
like a whole photo album of 
women that I think are chic and 

649
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,520
I'm constantly like 
screenshotting and adding it 

650
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:11,280
into there for inspiration. 
I think one of my main sort of 

651
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,320
inspirations would be Corinne 
Royfield. 

652
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,960
I love that silhouette where she
wears the pencil skirt and the 

653
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:17,880
the shirt that's quite 
unbuttoned. 

654
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,200
She's got perfect blow dry, 
chunky gold jewellery, a 

655
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,440
fabulous tan. 
I think she looks amazing. 

656
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,520
If I could nail that style, I'd 
be very happy. 

657
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,120
I also love people that can not 
just dress well for sort of 

658
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,200
events, but also everyday. 
So I think people like Gwyneth 

659
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:37,840
Paltrow, Tory Birch, Erin 
Lauder, they just, I don't know 

660
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:39,880
what it is, you try and recreate
their outfits, but they look 

661
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:41,320
chic no matter what they're 
wearing. 

662
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,720
It's just that little. 
Touch Uber stylist Uber stylist 

663
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,440
working with. 
Them Uber stylist. 

664
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:52,040
What do you feel you really 
discovered your style DNA? 

665
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:57,200
I feel like everyone has an age 
that they were born to sort of 

666
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:01,600
shine in. 
And I think my age that I was 

667
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,800
always destined to feel my best 
in was my 40s. 

668
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,600
Because even when I was a 
teenager, you know, I said I 

669
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,920
went to a nightclub and I was 
wearing a skirt below the knee. 

670
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,320
I always wanted to dress with a 
sophisticated style. 

671
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,640
I kind of understood what suits 
me, my silhouette, very, very 

672
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,480
young. 
So I've got clothes from 20 

673
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:22,440
years ago that I still wear now.
So I think it evolved, but I'd 

674
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,560
say like my early 20s, I really 
was like, this is what suits me 

675
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,080
and I've kind of stuck to it 
ever since. 

676
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,360
That's. 
Very young actually, but 

677
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,160
amazing. 
Yeah, I was dressing very old 

678
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,640
from my age. 
Do you do you feel that you have

679
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:40,680
a cooler twist on it now than 
when you were wearing that look?

680
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,320
I think so because I think I was
so young when I set up my 

681
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:44,840
business. 
I remember I even used to put on

682
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:46,320
some reading glasses that I 
didn't need. 

683
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,960
By the way, when I was meeting 
clients, if I was talking to 

684
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,280
them about about finances or 
like showing them the quote, I'd

685
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,160
put my glasses on to try and 
look all the serious. 

686
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,080
And I think, you know, I was 
young getting married. 

687
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,160
I was young to be a wife, to 
have a business. 

688
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,280
So I think I wanted to look 
older. 

689
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,600
Whereas now I'm wearing the same
clothes, but I might wear it 

690
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:08,280
with like a chunky gold bracelet
or layer out more necklaces or 

691
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,600
you know, I, my mother-in-law 
actually has great style and she

692
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,239
always says to me, don't go 
smart on everything. 

693
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,120
Don't go smart top and bottom. 
You know, if you're going to 

694
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,080
wear a diamond necklace, wear it
with a T-shirt or you're going 

695
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:20,639
to wear jeans, wear them with 
heels. 

696
00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:23,320
So that's always in the back of 
my mind that like you, do that 

697
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,880
high, low thing. 
Yeah, no, I love that advice. 

698
00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:31,040
How would you want your husband 
to describe your style DNA in 

699
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,600
three words? 
That's a really good question 

700
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:38,560
because my husband's got great 
style and I love it when he 

701
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,280
likes my outfits. 
But I don't dress for him, I 

702
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:44,440
dress for myself, I think. 
I would. 

703
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,639
How would you describe your own?
Yeah, I think anyone, whether 

704
00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:52,159
it's my husband or anyone, I 
would like to think that I dress

705
00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:58,440
quite classically. 
I aspire to be chic and I think 

706
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,600
comfortable as well. 
I think, you know, not many 

707
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,480
people are quite comfort with 
style, but if I'm not able to 

708
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,880
walk in the shoes or I'm tugging
at my outfit, I don't feel chic.

709
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,760
So I think those three things. 
Yeah, it's very true. 

710
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,360
Can we talk about bags of? 
Course, I love a bag. 

711
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,320
All time favorite. 
They change. 

712
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,480
So I'm very, I'm a slow buyer 
when it comes to bags because 

713
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,240
I've got a big collection. 
So if you're going to join my 

714
00:35:21,240 --> 00:35:23,160
collection, I've got to really, 
really want you. 

715
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,600
My strategy for when I go 
shopping to buy a new bag is I 

716
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,400
generally go with someone I know
and I'll make them wear the bag 

717
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,600
before I buy it. 
And if I'm just like, oh, that's

718
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,720
a nice bag, I won't buy it. 
If I'm like, I want to tear that

719
00:35:35,720 --> 00:35:38,960
bag off her arm, I need to have 
that bag, then I buy it. 

720
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,840
So the latest one that I've 
bought is a boutique of Anita. 

721
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,520
It's the one I've got today. 
I like a bag that you can wear 

722
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,040
multiple ways, so I like the 
fact that it has an adjustable 

723
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,360
strap. 
For years and years I wanted a 

724
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,920
Birkin and a Kelly and I kind of
got that on my system. 

725
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:58,560
But what colour? 
I have a tan Togo Kelly and I 

726
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:02,040
have a kind of grey Birken. 
And actually I use the Kelly a 

727
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,760
lot more than the Birken. 
But actually I don't really wear

728
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,600
either of them much anymore 
because I don't feel safe 

729
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,200
wearing them in London, truth be
told. 

730
00:36:09,720 --> 00:36:13,240
You know, my husband got mugged,
not in London, in Marbella, but 

731
00:36:13,240 --> 00:36:15,360
it was during the day, it was at
10 AM. 

732
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,120
We had my daughter and my son 
with us at the time. 

733
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:18,760
And it was, it wasn't even that 
bad. 

734
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:20,040
We didn't get beaten up or 
anything. 

735
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,920
They literally just, he was 
pushing my daughter's pram, I 

736
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,880
was pushing my son's pram and 
the guy was trying to shake the 

737
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,560
watch off his wrist. 
And I, all I could see was my 

738
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,640
daughter's pram being shook. 
So I thought he was trying to 

739
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:34,480
abduct our daughter. 
And I just went into like feral,

740
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,480
every swear word came out of me.
I just went into full on attack 

741
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,160
mode. 
And so when I realised he was 

742
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,680
just trying to steal the watch, 
I'd like collapsed with like 

743
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,760
relief. 
And I remember my husband was 

744
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:46,400
going to run after him. 
I was like, just let it go. 

745
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,400
Like we'll claim on insurance, 
it's not worth it. 

746
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,320
But that's really stuck with me.
So now I see all the headlines. 

747
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,640
I like hear my, a lot of my 
clients get mugged. 

748
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:55,640
I just think, you know what, 
it's not worth it. 

749
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:57,600
And it's a shame. 
Like we have these beautiful 

750
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,320
things and I'm like, what's the 
point in having them? 

751
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,880
But I'll wear them in the 
countryside, I'll wear them in 

752
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,320
Palm Beach, I won't wear them in
London. 

753
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:12,200
But that does that stop you from
buying very obvious designer 

754
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:17,160
pieces that you know, like a 
Chanel or an Hermes Birkin or 

755
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:18,000
Kelly? 
It has. 

756
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,640
Probably a good thing I should I
should be grateful. 

757
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,600
It's like slowed down my 
shopping, but when you're. 

758
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,400
Shopping when you're bag 
shopping you haven't pre shopped

759
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:29,000
online and thought I need that. 
Yeah, yeah, I do my research 

760
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:30,800
like I would have seen it on 
Pinterest. 

761
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,320
I like, I Google lots of images 
I want to see like that bag with

762
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:38,080
different outfits. 
So I, I, I probably think about 

763
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,040
it for a good couple of months 
before I buy a bag and but I buy

764
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,440
less and I, I actually don't buy
watches anymore. 

765
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:44,720
I used to love collecting 
watches. 

766
00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:46,280
I think I want to get rid of all
my watches. 

767
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:48,560
Again because of the. 
What's the point? 

768
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,320
They just sit in safes and you 
pay for them to be insured and 

769
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:52,320
you never actually wear them? 
Yeah. 

770
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:57,480
Yeah, you're in front of the 
camera a lot. 

771
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:04,000
Are you very aware of what 
you're wearing for being in 

772
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:09,280
front of the camera? 
If it's like if it's booked in 

773
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,320
and scheduled, yes, I think 
about it in advance. 

774
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,000
I plan my outfit so I'm very 
organised now. 

775
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,200
I've got 2 social media 
managers. 

776
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,800
The content level, it's like, I 
mean I don't know, I know you've

777
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:21,760
been to Sheer Lux as well, but 
it's like I have my own mini 

778
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,400
Sheer Lux going on the office. 
The content, and I did say this 

779
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,200
to them, I was like, don't 
announce you're going to film, 

780
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,640
just constantly film content. 
Like you decide if something is 

781
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,240
interesting you capture. 
But now having to live with 

782
00:38:31,240 --> 00:38:34,880
that, I'm like, Oh no, like I 
didn't do any hair, I didn't do 

783
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:36,560
any makeup. 
I don't like my outfit. 

784
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,440
But I think it's important to 
show that genuine, like people 

785
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,160
can tell the difference between 
real behind the scenes and that 

786
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,920
fake rehearse behind the scenes.
So I'm kind of just having to 

787
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:46,640
live with that at the moment and
get used to it. 

788
00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:49,440
Yeah, I think. 
But once you are used to it, 

789
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,000
it's incredibly liberated. 
It is, it is. 

790
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,560
And I've done Youtubes with no 
make up. 

791
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:59,200
I had to advertise a mask, LED 
mask, and it was an amazing 

792
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:00,680
mask. 
But when they told me I had to 

793
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:02,960
advertise it with no make up, I 
remember looking back at the 

794
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,240
footage and thinking, Oh my 
goodness, I've got to put this 

795
00:39:06,240 --> 00:39:07,920
out to my audience. 
But after you've done it, you're

796
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:09,280
like, oh, who cares? 
No one cares. 

797
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:10,560
Yeah, yeah. 
And it. 

798
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:12,800
And it's got to be authentic. 
It does. 

799
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,720
And you know, you can't wear 
your makeup for your LED mask. 

800
00:39:16,720 --> 00:39:17,480
No, you. 
Can't you I? 

801
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,760
Mean you probably didn't have to
do the advert. 

802
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:22,480
I didn't. 
But you know what? 

803
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,280
I'm very commercial minded and I
don't know how you make this 

804
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,120
work because I think there's so 
much work and effort and time 

805
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,920
that goes into our YouTube 
channel and I'm just looking to 

806
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,520
cover our costs on that because 
I genuinely want to share 

807
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,360
knowledge. 
But it's so expensive to create 

808
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,560
all this content. 
I think people don't understand 

809
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:40,400
how much you have to invest in 
that. 

810
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,560
You know it's hundreds of 
thousands of pounds to have good

811
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,400
quality content on a regular 
basis. 

812
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:49,880
Yes, I think you're doing it on 
a whole other level to me, doing

813
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:51,960
it on an iPhone. 
This is an impressive well, this

814
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:57,240
today is an impressive set up. 
Yeah, it's not always like. 

815
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:58,480
This OK? 
Well, I'm honest it. 

816
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,760
Is it is for for? 
Podcasts though, thank you for 

817
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,600
the good lighting. 
I know, I know. 

818
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,680
We had. 
We had a supermodel on who sent 

819
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:14,040
in someone to check the lighting
beforehand and and they said, 

820
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,120
no, she's going to love this. 
Yeah. 

821
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:20,720
And so that's. 
Attention to detail, would you? 

822
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:27,960
Say you dress for yourself, your
husband, your audience. 

823
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,200
I'd like to. 
Think myself, I think, of 

824
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:32,920
course, you know, I I came to 
see you today. 

825
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,120
If I was just at home by myself,
would I be wearing this? 

826
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:38,840
No, I think what you wear 
conveys a message. 

827
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,200
I think it's nice to kind of 
show respect to wherever you're 

828
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:42,360
going. 
If I'm going to a nice 

829
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,440
restaurant, I'm not going to 
wear, you know, just comfortable

830
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,280
clothes. 
I used to dress probably more 

831
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,800
for my husband, but now I feel 
very sort of secure in what I'm 

832
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,240
wearing. 
I know that he loves the way I 

833
00:40:53,240 --> 00:40:55,800
dress, so I don't need anyone's 
approval. 

834
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,600
I feel like if I like it, I 
don't care what other people 

835
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,000
think. 
Do you shop with him? 

836
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,880
No. 
No, I'm a loan shopper. 

837
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:09,000
But has your style evolved since
you've got together with him? 

838
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,280
No, because I met him when I was
19. 

839
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,120
Oh my goodness. 
In that nightclub wearing the 

840
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:17,240
bias cut knee length skirt. 
Yes, it's, it's evolved and 

841
00:41:17,240 --> 00:41:19,600
it's, you know, I've got more 
money now so I can afford to buy

842
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,360
nicer quality clothes. 
But I think always the style 

843
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:26,760
that I aspired to was the same. 
I just couldn't quite reach what

844
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:30,240
I wanted to implement. 
So, you know, I think now I can 

845
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,760
have the nice designer bags, I 
can have the nice designer 

846
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,560
shoes, but I think even when I 
didn't have the money to buy, 

847
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,480
and I don't buy all designer 
clothes, by the way, like I 

848
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:38,600
don't really care where it's 
from. 

849
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,280
I'll buy a Zara outfit. 
For me, I think being an 

850
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,800
interior designer, it's all 
about the fabric, the 

851
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,680
construction, how good the 
stitching is. 

852
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,640
That's what I really noticed how
well it will it will it wear. 

853
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,320
And sometimes I find myself 
buying items of clothing and 

854
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:53,760
I'm, I take it home and I put it
on. 

855
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,440
I'm like, this looks awful. 
Why did I buy this? 

856
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,680
And I realise I loved the 
fabric, but I loved it as an 

857
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,800
upholstery fabric for a chair, 
not as a top for me to wear. 

858
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,480
Fascinating, fascinating. 
Would you say being stylish is 

859
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,360
important to you? 
Yeah, very. 

860
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:09,720
Yeah. 
I think, I think it's important 

861
00:42:09,720 --> 00:42:11,040
to everyone who doesn't want to 
be stylish. 

862
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,520
Even if other people don't think
we're stylish, we want to feel 

863
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,280
good about the way we look. 
What do you reach for when you 

864
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:20,040
want to feel empowered? 
Chunky. 

865
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:24,720
Jewellery, like a power ring. 
I I put this on, I feel like 

866
00:42:24,720 --> 00:42:28,160
it's just yeah. 
Makes me feel empowered. 

867
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:32,880
High heels, a blow dry. 
Can't feel good without blow dry

868
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:36,920
and nails. 
I think it's the details rather 

869
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:37,920
than that, like the whole 
outfit. 

870
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,360
If the details are there, then I
feel good about myself, yeah. 

871
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:44,480
Can we talk about hair, makeup, 
manicures? 

872
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,640
Yes. 
What's your approach to all of 

873
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:50,040
that? 
Well, blow dryers, I tend to 

874
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:51,560
have about one or two a week at 
home. 

875
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,120
I have someone that comes to my 
house, Gabby. 

876
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,840
She's amazing. 
She also really makes me laugh. 

877
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,320
So I really enjoy that sort of 
hour in the morning. 

878
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:02,200
Makeup, I tend to do it myself. 
If I've got like a photo shoot. 

879
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,120
I have a makeup artist called 
Alex or Amy. 

880
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,840
But I think where I've done so 
much shooting, especially in the

881
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,840
last year for our Academy, I 
just have had enough of it. 

882
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:16,000
Like I as much as I like them, 
if I have a glam morning, I'm 

883
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,160
like, I can't wait to get these 
fake eyelashes off. 

884
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:19,880
I can't wait to just bung my 
hair up. 

885
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:21,800
So I'm kind of an all or 
nothing. 

886
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:27,000
Like I'll either look Uber, Uber
glam or I look like, you know, 

887
00:43:27,240 --> 00:43:29,680
one of my photographers jokes. 
We've worked together for 12 

888
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,600
years. 
I'll often turn up on site, 

889
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:33,320
especially as we're doing the 
installation, our projects 

890
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,800
getting better and better. 
I look worse and worse. 

891
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,880
I look more and more scruffy. 
And he jokes like he's like, you

892
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:40,720
look like the cleaner. 
And I'm like, I feel like the 

893
00:43:40,720 --> 00:43:42,160
cleaner. 
Like I'm very hands on. 

894
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:43,680
I'm not scared to roll my 
sleeves up. 

895
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:45,840
You know, everyone thinks 
interior design is really 

896
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,200
glamorous, but you'll be there. 
Like if I have to pick up a 

897
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,360
Hoover because there's some lint
on the floor, I'll do that. 

898
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:55,680
So I think I'm either all on or 
all off, but I'm happiest being 

899
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:57,280
scruffy. 
Are you? 

900
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,120
Yeah. 
What's your view on tweakments? 

901
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,880
I'm very open minded to it. 
I think everyone should do what 

902
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:08,480
works for them. 
I've done Botox and I've not 

903
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,080
done it for nine months now and 
I'm not sure how I feel about 

904
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,280
it. 
I think seeing people like Kris 

905
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:17,320
Jenner and Lindsay Lohan and 
these amazing facelifts that are

906
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:18,960
all over, I don't know if 
they're on your Instagram, but 

907
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,800
they're all over my Instagram, I
think I'd rather hold off. 

908
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,040
Like, I don't feel that 
comfortable with filler. 

909
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,920
And when the time comes, yeah, 
I'll have a facelift. 

910
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:28,640
I don't care. 
Like, whatever makes you feel 

911
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,040
good about yourself, if it makes
you feel great, go for it. 

912
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,880
Equally, if you don't want to do
it, don't do it for anyone else.

913
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,160
Only do it for yourself. 
But I think having the choices 

914
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:39,960
is great. 
And if you're going to do it, 

915
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,880
make sure you do your research. 
Good advice. 

916
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:50,000
Now you lead an incredibly busy 
and visible life and I you know 

917
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:54,280
your home, your studio is very 
much on your social channels, 

918
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,600
both that are phenomenally 
organised. 

919
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:03,240
What do you think is the secret 
to planning your wardrobe and 

920
00:45:03,240 --> 00:45:08,000
your different looks? 
Good question. 

921
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,400
Well for holidays I do plan 
everything. 

922
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,680
So I'll literally, I'll start 
packing two days before the 

923
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:15,840
holiday, which isn't that 
organised compared to some 

924
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:17,520
people. 
But I don't like to have all my 

925
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,200
stuff in a suitcase. 
I'll try everything on down to 

926
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,000
the shoes, the bag, I'll 
photograph it and then I put it 

927
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,080
into a photo album. 
So when I go on holiday, I don't

928
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:26,160
have to worry about what to 
wear. 

929
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,160
I don't overpack. 
I know exactly what's going to 

930
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:31,160
work day-to-day life. 
I'm not that organized. 

931
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:36,040
I don't have time to do it, but 
I think I just kind of have my 

932
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:39,640
go to outfits that I know, OK, 
it's that kind of day I'll wear 

933
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,200
this. 
And then if I buy something new,

934
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,760
I tend to sort of wear it to 
death because I'm really excited

935
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:46,360
about it. 
Have you ever worked with a 

936
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,280
stylist? 
I haven't worked with a stylist.

937
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,840
I've had personal shoppers, 
Susie itself, just she was 

938
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,000
amazing for a sort of special 
event. 

939
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,360
But I think, you know, I don't, 
I don't spend a huge amount of 

940
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,480
money on clothes. 
Like I'll have the designer bag 

941
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,000
and the designer shoes, but then
most of my clothes are high end 

942
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,360
High Street, whether it's like 
me and em or is it Saffin, 

943
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,600
Samantha Cameron's. 
I really like her brand as well.

944
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,120
Do you think you've had a worst 
fashion moment? 

945
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,120
When I grew up in the 80s and 
90s, there was definitely some 

946
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:18,280
bad moments there. 
A lot of bomber jackets, a lot 

947
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:19,880
of. 
Ben I love a bomber jacket. 

948
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:20,840
Well, they're back now, aren't 
they? 

949
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,720
But I can't, you know, all this 
90s fashion now it's going back.

950
00:46:23,720 --> 00:46:25,880
I'm like, no, I've done it once,
I'm not revisiting it. 

951
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:30,320
A lot of Benetton jumpers from 
Benetton. 

952
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,520
That was like the pinnacle for 
me. 

953
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,880
I grew up in Holland as well, 
which isn't the most stylish 

954
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:39,360
place in the world, so. 
And also I had a lot of hand me 

955
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:40,800
downs because I've got two older
sisters. 

956
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:45,080
So even in the 90s I was still 
wearing 80s throwbacks. 

957
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,000
So yeah, I think there's a lot 
of bad outfits that I've kind of

958
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,720
blocked from my memory. 
No photographic evidence. 

959
00:46:51,720 --> 00:46:53,800
Probably in my mum's house and 
it'll stay there. 

960
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:55,080
It's never coming to the light 
of day. 

961
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:59,280
Let's talk about travel for a 
moment. 

962
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,480
Do do you have a particular 
travel look? 

963
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,480
It depends how I'm travelling 
and who I'm travelling with. 

964
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,040
If I'm travelling with my kids, 
it's just comfort all the way, 

965
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:12,400
you know, athleisure. 
If I'm travelling for work. 

966
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:14,560
If, especially if I'm traveling 
with clients, then yeah, I'll 

967
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:18,320
get dressed up. 
It changes depending on my mood.

968
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,920
I really dress for my mood. 
And mode of transport. 

969
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:23,840
Mode of transport, yeah. 
If you're going. 

970
00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:26,400
Yeah, if you're going on an 
EasyJet, what's the point in 

971
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,240
dressing up? 
Likewise, if you're on a private

972
00:47:28,240 --> 00:47:30,040
jet, you don't want to be 
looking like a you. 

973
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:33,440
Want the GM Vito's on and the? 
And the Kelly Exactly. 

974
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,360
That's actually probably the 
only time I wear the the Birkin 

975
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:40,080
is when I'm travelling first 
class or lucky enough to go on 

976
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,200
someone else's jet. 
How lovely. 

977
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:46,080
What luggage do you use? 
I if it's short haul, I've got a

978
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:49,800
Louis Vuitton sort of weekend 
bag that I've had for sort of 15

979
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:51,640
years. 
Otherwise, just cheap and 

980
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,160
cheerful because I've got the 
idea that if you have really 

981
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,800
good suitcases, it's more likely
to get stolen. 

982
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:58,920
So you know, it gets bashed 
about. 

983
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:03,880
I don't care. 
Which brand would you say is 

984
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:09,320
your guilty secret? 
I don't have any guilty secrets 

985
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:15,400
about brands, but I would say, 
you know, people often ask me 

986
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,120
where my outfit's from and what 
they're surprised to hear mostly

987
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,880
about recently is Marks and 
Spencer's because I think 

988
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:22,560
they're having an amazing 
moment. 

989
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:25,240
Like the stuff that I'm seeing 
on their website, it goes so 

990
00:48:25,240 --> 00:48:26,880
quickly. 
It's obviously doing incredibly 

991
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,200
well, but the fabrics are 
amazing. 

992
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:32,520
I got this linen matching sat 
top and skirt. 

993
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:37,160
So flattering, so easy to wear, 
beautifully made and a great 

994
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:39,920
price point. 
But I don't feel guilty about 

995
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:41,280
it. 
I love mixing Heinleil. 

996
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:47,000
So if I were to say to you, OK 
Sophie you, you can only wear 2 

997
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:51,680
brands now for the next year, 1 
High Street, one designer, who 

998
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:55,440
would you choose to wear? 
This is a good question. 

999
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:01,200
I think for like High Street, 
maybe me and AM so they have 

1000
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,400
really good tailoring. 
And you call that High Street, 

1001
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,600
do you? 
High end, High Street, Yeah, 

1002
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:13,200
it's not designer. 
Designer for designer, You know,

1003
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,720
I don't have a lot of designer 
clothes, but I've got a lot of 

1004
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:19,200
My mother-in-law has an amazing 
wardrobe that she's slowly drip 

1005
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:21,200
feeding down to me and. 
I. 

1006
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,520
Know I'm so lucky and I've got 
another sister-in-law but she's 

1007
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:25,600
not really into fashion, praise 
the Lord. 

1008
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,200
So it's all coming to me. 
And you're the same size, 

1009
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:32,080
clearly. 
We're the same size and I'm 

1010
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,880
noticing that a lot of the 
clothes that I actually wear 

1011
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,880
that she's handed to me, Yves 
and Leron, I find them so 

1012
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:38,800
wearable. 
You are. 

1013
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,960
So lucky. 
Yes, very, very lucky. 

1014
00:49:42,720 --> 00:49:44,720
She's got a lot of Valentino, a 
lot of Dior as well. 

1015
00:49:44,720 --> 00:49:47,440
But those are the things, you 
know, they're very sort of like 

1016
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,720
special event, not things that 
you can wear every day. 

1017
00:49:49,720 --> 00:49:52,360
Whereas the Yves and Lauren, 
she's got this amazing pencil 

1018
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:53,560
skirt. 
I love a pencil skirt. 

1019
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,400
And it was the outfit she was 
wearing when I met her at her 

1020
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:57,600
50th birthday. 
How? 

1021
00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:59,760
Lovely. 
And I've never worn it, but I'm 

1022
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:01,720
going to wear it. 
I've got a press event coming up

1023
00:50:01,720 --> 00:50:04,960
at the Peninsula for our Academy
and I'm going to wear it there. 

1024
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,440
And I think it's so nice. 
Like I love wearing vintage 

1025
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,280
clothes, especially ones that 
it's got a connection to me. 

1026
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:14,080
Yeah, no, that, that sounds 
absolutely lovely. 

1027
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:18,400
Which would be your money. 
No object brand. 

1028
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:25,920
I think Brunello Cuccinelli, I 
think the fabrics, you know, 

1029
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:27,720
he's got such a wide array that 
really. 

1030
00:50:27,720 --> 00:50:29,880
Is money no object? 
That really is. 

1031
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:33,840
I mean, like if I have to pay 
for it myself, I might by a pair

1032
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,840
of socks. 
But I've got a lot of clients 

1033
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,320
that dress in Brunello 
Cuccinelli and you can instantly

1034
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:40,720
tell. 
And it wears so well. 

1035
00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:43,480
You know, people that I see that
have it that you'll say to them,

1036
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:45,720
like, I love your jumper. 
They've had it for 10 years and 

1037
00:50:45,720 --> 00:50:48,320
it still looks pristine. 
So that tiny little, the little 

1038
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,160
beading, which a lot of people 
are copying, but I still feel 

1039
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:52,320
like you can tell when it's 
proper. 

1040
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,320
Brunello Cuccinelli. 
Well, I think when you're very 

1041
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:58,800
aware of what fabrics are really
good and what aren't, then 

1042
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:02,000
there's no comparison. 
There's there's no comparison. 

1043
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:07,520
OK, guilty secret most expensive
item of clothing you've bought. 

1044
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:11,640
I am not asking the price tag. 
I mean, it's got to be a bag. 

1045
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:17,960
Probably my Birken or my Kelly. 
I bought my first Kelly just as 

1046
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:21,800
I had my son, so he's 5, nearly 
6. 

1047
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:26,880
And I bought it second hand from
Celier, so it's even more 

1048
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:28,400
expensive than buying it first 
hand. 

1049
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:32,360
And I I can't even bring myself 
to think what the price was. 

1050
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:36,000
And did you buy it as a as a 
sort of marking time? 

1051
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:40,040
I've had my son. 
This is this is my treat to me. 

1052
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:43,320
Maybe subconsciously, yeah. 
I think I bought it as like a 

1053
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:45,480
what is it you call it? 
Your husband often gets you. 

1054
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:47,280
A a push. 
A push. 

1055
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,600
Present. 
I didn't, I didn't push her. 

1056
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,280
I had them lifted out. 
But yeah, maybe a little push 

1057
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:56,520
present to myself. 
In terms of yeah, we're talking 

1058
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:58,600
jewellery. 
Do you buy your own jewellery? 

1059
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:01,680
A mix like my husband's bought 
me some beautiful things. 

1060
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:04,000
He bought me this ring after I 
had my daughter. 

1061
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:06,520
This diamond bracelets from my 
in laws. 

1062
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:08,440
They gave me that. 
As you know, this was after my 

1063
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:13,280
son, this was after my daughter.
This I bought myself, my 

1064
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,360
Tiffany, I bought myself. 
I like buying jewellery myself. 

1065
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,440
I think I'm so specific and my 
husband's kind of like he's 

1066
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:21,880
ticked all the classics like the
diamond studs. 

1067
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:25,560
He's got me a beautiful 
engagement ring, but now I like 

1068
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:28,120
buying cocktail rings and things
that he probably wouldn't be 

1069
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:30,160
brave enough to buy me. 
I want unusual. 

1070
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:31,400
Pieces. 
They're very specific. 

1071
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:33,680
Yeah, yeah. 
And do you buy vintage? 

1072
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:35,960
Ever. 
I haven't. 

1073
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:38,600
My sister goes to a lot of 
auctions and every time I admire

1074
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:40,760
her jewellery it's a vintage 
piece. 

1075
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:44,280
But again, it's time that I've 
got really fat fingers as well, 

1076
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:46,320
so I can't just buy any ring, I 
have to. 

1077
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:49,880
Honestly I do a lot of my 
friends joke I've got Prince 

1078
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:53,360
Charles or King Charles fingers,
but I guess if you're going to 

1079
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:55,480
have a fat part it might as well
be your fingers, right? 

1080
00:52:56,120 --> 00:53:01,280
Honestly, let's move on to your 
approach to sustainable fashion.

1081
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:06,000
How do you approach that? 
I think it's like what I said 

1082
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:10,680
earlier, like I buy slowly. 
I knew my style from a very 

1083
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:12,520
early age. 
So I'm lucky that I've got 

1084
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:15,880
clothes that are, you know, 1020
years old that I can still keep.

1085
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:21,800
I, I buy quite sort of plain 
tonal clothes, I think colour 

1086
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:23,720
blocking. 
I feel like patterns can date an

1087
00:53:23,720 --> 00:53:25,680
outfit in the same way that they
can date an interior. 

1088
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:27,800
So I'm very careful with what 
patterns I wear. 

1089
00:53:28,240 --> 00:53:31,240
And then, you know, a lot of the
stuff I keep like now my 

1090
00:53:31,240 --> 00:53:33,360
daughter's, she's 8, she's 
getting into fashion. 

1091
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,080
So I'm archiving all the special
pieces. 

1092
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:37,240
My mother-in-law, if I don't 
wear them, they're going into a 

1093
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:41,520
wardrobe that's just for her. 
But even, you know, items of 

1094
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:44,560
mine that she loves, if she says
to me she loves, it doesn't 

1095
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:46,840
matter if it's Zara or whatever,
it goes in that wardroom, she 

1096
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:48,560
keeps that. 
But aside from that, I give a 

1097
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:50,640
lot of clothes away. 
I give a lot of clothes to like 

1098
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:53,600
friends and family. 
And then if it's designer 

1099
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:58,400
pieces, I've sold quite a few 
times with Sallye designer 

1100
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:00,160
pieces and then I give the 
proceeds to charity. 

1101
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:03,000
So it kind of feels like it's a 
nice complete circle. 

1102
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:05,320
Nice. 
Do you ever give to give your 

1103
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:07,680
clothes to a charity shop? 
Yeah, all the time, but I don't 

1104
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:10,320
know if you find this in London,
but there's all charity shops in

1105
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:12,960
our area inundated and quite 
often they'll say no more 

1106
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:16,000
donations, so. 
I am going to come and do a 

1107
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:19,440
trolley dashing in Surrey 
because I think the charity 

1108
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:23,040
shops there must be fantastic. 
I'm not sure about the quality, 

1109
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:26,040
but there's a lot of quantity. 
No, you've given me an idea. 

1110
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:29,200
Do you ever buy vintage? 
I have done. 

1111
00:54:29,720 --> 00:54:31,800
I don't buy that often. 
It's more if I've got a specific

1112
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:33,600
idea in my mind and I can't find
it. 

1113
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,920
Like for that press event I 
really wanted to wear a gold 

1114
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:40,920
pencil skirt, so I ended up 
being on eBay and I bought a few

1115
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:44,000
different skirts. 
But I've not had the best luck 

1116
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,600
buying online. 
You know, I don't like the idea 

1117
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:49,920
of if something comes and it 
arrives a bit smelly, it kind of

1118
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:54,400
puts me off. 
So not the best success. 

1119
00:54:54,400 --> 00:55:01,760
And never bought from Vestiere. 
I think just accessory is not 

1120
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:02,680
clear. 
Yeah. 

1121
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:06,600
Do you have good success buying 
vintage? 

1122
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:10,400
I've had, I've had one complete 
and utter disaster. 

1123
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:14,280
It was quite funny. 
I bought, I bought a pair of 

1124
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:19,240
Jean Paul Gautier printed mesh 
trousers, you know, and it was a

1125
00:55:19,240 --> 00:55:21,480
couple of summers ago heading to
Ibiza. 

1126
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:23,240
I thought, oh, these were really
cool. 

1127
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:27,800
And you know, Jean Paul 
Gautier's got such a sense of 

1128
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:32,640
humour and the trousers had been
photographed sort of flat. 

1129
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:38,200
And I remember they arrived and 
I put them on and I thought, Oh 

1130
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:42,720
my God, he's had such a laugh 
with these because the shape of 

1131
00:55:42,720 --> 00:55:45,360
the print and they were all sort
of pink and Reds. 

1132
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:47,520
They were red but with a bit of 
pink on them. 

1133
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:51,480
And I thought just looks like a 
giant vagina in front of me. 

1134
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:57,440
So those immediately went 
straight back on thank. 

1135
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:02,880
Goodness, you know. 
Since let's spin on to some 

1136
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:06,080
quick fire questions, what 
fashion advice would you give 

1137
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:09,040
your 20 year old self? 
Dress for yourself. 

1138
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:12,800
Fashion trend you'd most like to
see make a comeback. 

1139
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:15,800
I think more tailoring, like 
more suits. 

1140
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:18,560
I feel like we've kind of gone 
very, very casual. 

1141
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:20,840
I'd like to see more glamour 
back in everyone's fashion. 

1142
00:56:21,720 --> 00:56:25,400
Fashion or beauty trend that you
would consign to Room 101. 

1143
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:28,400
Brow lamination. 
I did it for a while. 

1144
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:29,920
My eyebrows weren't really 
crusty. 

1145
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:32,960
Your. 
Last impulse buy. 

1146
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:39,440
I honestly don't buy impulse. 
Views on tattoos. 

1147
00:56:39,720 --> 00:56:41,480
Absolutely not. 
You're always going to regret 

1148
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:43,400
it. 
Beauty treatment you couldn't 

1149
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:46,640
give up. 
Facials desperately need one. 

1150
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:51,000
High end or High Street? 
High Street for clothes, high 

1151
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:53,280
end for accessories. 
Bling or bare? 

1152
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:57,000
Bling. 
Minimalism or maximalism? 

1153
00:56:57,680 --> 00:56:59,600
Maximalism. 
I like too many things. 

1154
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,880
Couture or charity shop? 
Couture. 

1155
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:08,000
Crocs cute or puke? 
Puke all the way unless they're 

1156
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:09,520
on kids. 
My kids love a croc. 

1157
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:13,360
Sneakers or stilettos? 
Sneakers during the day. 

1158
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:15,120
Stilettos when you want to feel 
empowered. 

1159
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:17,440
Bags or shoes? 
Bags. 

1160
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:23,480
Boyfriends or wide legs? 
I don't even know what a 

1161
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:25,440
boyfriend Jean looks like. 
Is that the barrel Jean? 

1162
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:27,880
No, it's the baggy one. 
It's as though you put your 

1163
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:30,840
boyfriend's jeans on wide. 
Legs. 

1164
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:36,960
Body con or boho Body con, 
Sports lux or rock chick sports 

1165
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:41,920
lux, Red carpet or relax, relax,
trend or style? 

1166
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:47,320
Style, colour or monochrome? 
Monochrome, cashmere or cotton. 

1167
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:52,480
Cashmere. 
Experimental or UU, Beanie or 

1168
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:57,880
Berry? 
Neither hoarder or editor. 

1169
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,480
Editor. 
Charity shop or resale? 

1170
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:05,840
A bit of both. 
Shapewear or sexy lingerie? 

1171
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:09,360
Honestly, shapewear would love 
to say sexy lingerie. 

1172
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:14,880
Tights, stockings or hold UPS? 
Tights, bikini or one piece? 

1173
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,720
Bikini. 
And finally, my traditional last

1174
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:19,800
question. 
At the end of the day, what do 

1175
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:25,640
you or don't you wear in bed? 
I wear cozy pyjamas and socks 

1176
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:30,680
even in the summer. 
Sophie, thank you so much. 

1177
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:33,240
Such a pleasure. 
Really enjoyed our conversation.

1178
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:35,880
Today, so nice to meet. 
You lovely to meet you too. 

1179
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:36,400
Thank you.