1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,800 You're peer-to-peer, am I correct? 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:06,880 You can literally now rent from, you know, a stylish woman that 3 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:10,320 you follow on Instagram or TikTok or YouTube or whatever. 4 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:12,800 And that's really the premise of my rotation. 5 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:17,080 So we launched 5 months before COVID happened and there's no 6 00:00:17,080 --> 00:00:20,840 reason to rent clothes. So we basically had no demand on 7 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:22,720 the app instead of. Oh. 8 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:25,960 She takes a deep breath. My mom dressed us a lot, though, 9 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:27,960 when we were young. And I look at our photos, you 10 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:29,960 know, you know, the film photos, obviously. 11 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:32,800 And I was like, Oh my God, we were very chic. 12 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:36,160 Did you have a sort of finance work uniform? 13 00:00:36,160 --> 00:00:38,400 Yeah, yeah. And what did that look like? 14 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:42,720 It's so funny because I was actually teased a lot by by the 15 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:46,520 guys on the on the floor for it. I just feel like fashion doesn't 16 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:50,120 really. I think luxury, expensive 17 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:52,480 fashion, it no longer impresses me. 18 00:00:56,240 --> 00:01:00,280 Today, I'm going on a style journey with the founder and CEO 19 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:04,680 of the clothing rental app by rotation, the Extraordinary 20 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:08,960 Ishita Cabra Davis. Hello and welcome, Ashita. 21 00:01:08,960 --> 00:01:11,680 How lovely to see you. Thank you so much Amanda for 22 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,680 having me. It's a pleasure, I mean we've 23 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:18,600 never met before, but I'm so hugely impressed by the business 24 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:21,240 you've built. You came into it from the 25 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:25,600 investment world. What inspired you to start by 26 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:29,440 Rotation? It's simple and it's very much a 27 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:33,040 first world problem that I was facing, which a lot of us face 28 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:38,120 in the United Kingdom, what to wear when I'm going on a trip on 29 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:42,200 a holiday. And this was my honeymoon, so a 30 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:46,120 trip of a lifetime. And I started thinking about all 31 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,480 the different cities we were going to in Rajasthan and India, 32 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,440 where I was born, also my motherland, right? 33 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:58,160 And I was thinking about how I want it to match all my outfits 34 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:01,560 to all these incredible places I'd go visit in the desert. 35 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:05,320 And that's when I started thinking how cool would it be if 36 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:08,800 I could borrow clothes, rent clothes for the strip of a 37 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:12,360 lifetime? And then when I started doing 38 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:15,920 some research as to what the options were in the UK and even 39 00:02:15,920 --> 00:02:20,880 globally, it became obvious to me that all the clothing rental 40 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:24,800 businesses were either, you know, High Street stores where 41 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:29,040 you could rent things like suits and ball gowns, or they were 42 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:33,800 inventory based businesses that have massive warehouses in the 43 00:02:33,920 --> 00:02:36,760 US, in China, in Singapore and India. 44 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:40,520 But none of them really had this business model where I could 45 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:45,320 just reach out to a very fashionable, stylish woman on 46 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:50,440 Instagram who would post her outfit of the day photos and be 47 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:53,400 like, hey, can I rent your dress and give it back to you in a 48 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:55,360 week's time? So that's when I started 49 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:58,080 thinking about the idea. And then I went on my honeymoon 50 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:03,360 in February 2019, and I couldn't help but notice the huge amount 51 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:07,720 of textile waste that I was seeing in, you know, in a 52 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:11,240 suburban hometown where I was from in Rajasthan. 53 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:16,160 And that's when I felt very much like maybe there's a bigger, 54 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:19,600 wider problem here besides me wanting to wear new clothes, 55 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:21,920 nice clothes, designer clothes for my holiday. 56 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,440 Maybe there's a massive problem of waste in the fashion 57 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:28,280 industry. And when I started looking up, 58 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:32,320 you know, metrics and stats around things like how much how 59 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:36,600 much clothing goes to landfills, you know, fashion industry being 60 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:38,760 the second most polluting industry in the world. 61 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:41,960 And then, you know, thinking about my own consumption 62 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:45,680 practices and habits as a shopaholic who grew up in 63 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:49,360 Singapore, you know, it became very clear to me that the way 64 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,040 that people consume fashion is linear. 65 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:57,120 You know, we, we produce, then we buy, we maybe wear, I don't 66 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:02,000 know, five times, and then we end up donating or just throwing 67 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,800 away worse. And all of these end up in 68 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,200 landfills of Asian and African countries. 69 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:11,800 And that's when I was like this idea that I have for renting 70 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:16,160 clothes and borrowing outfits. Why don't we do that from each 71 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:18,680 other? Just as we've seen other sharing 72 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,279 economies such as Airbnb and Uber. 73 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:28,640 And instead of being like the traditional rental clothing. 74 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,720 Yeah, with the warehouses. With the warehouses, you're 75 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:36,200 peer-to-peer, am I correct? Yeah, so you can literally now 76 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:39,920 rent from, you know, a stylish woman that you follow on 77 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,480 Instagram or TikTok or YouTube or whatever. 78 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,040 And that's really the premise of By Rotation. 79 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:48,320 You know, we've been likened as the Airbnb of design and 80 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:51,760 fashion. Like Airbnb, there's a huge 81 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:56,840 level of trust within your Yeah by rotation community. 82 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:00,560 So if you look at the By Rotation app, it's been designed 83 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,800 like a social network, kind of looks like Instagram, but with 84 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:07,920 the booking feature. So people end up messaging each 85 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:09,880 other. So on a listing, you'll see 86 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:13,640 their own description, you'll see reviews left by other people 87 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:16,840 who rented it in the past. You can also rate and review 88 00:05:16,840 --> 00:05:21,320 whether it was true to two to size or if it was a lot larger 89 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:23,840 or smaller. And yeah, I think that's how 90 00:05:23,840 --> 00:05:27,080 we've kind of built trust and confidence within the community 91 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:29,000 itself. And then when it comes to things 92 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:32,520 like security, you know, how do you know if you're renting from 93 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,520 a real person or how do I know that I'm lending to someone who 94 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,640 I can trust? We've got ID verification, phone 95 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,120 number, you know, credit card holds. 96 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:46,360 We kind of, you know, it's, it's, it's almost easier to to 97 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,960 steal from someone in the street rather than on the by rotation 98 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:54,120 app because we have, you know, all this digital information, 99 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:58,040 this footprint on you. So it's been very, very gamified 100 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:03,000 as well because you unlock different items as you build up 101 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:05,960 your reputation on the app. So if you look at the app and 102 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:08,280 you download the app, you know we've built the world's largest 103 00:06:08,280 --> 00:06:10,240 shared wardrobe in less than six years. 104 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:12,880 There's over. That is extraordinary. 105 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,480 Thank you. Would you put any of that down 106 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,280 to the fact that you were building that inventory, 107 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:22,280 inventory in inverted commerce during COVID? 108 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:25,040 Yeah. So we launched 5 months before 109 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:28,160 COVID happened and there's no reason to rent clothes. 110 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:32,400 So we basically had no demand on the app instead of. 111 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:33,720 Oh. She takes deep breath. 112 00:06:34,840 --> 00:06:37,240 Exactly. And you know, I had just given 113 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:40,360 up my career in finance, you know, my seven-year long career 114 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:43,600 working in the industry for no paycheck. 115 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:48,200 And that's when I was like, well I can't go back to my ex boss 116 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:52,440 and beg for a job back. What I can do during this time 117 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,840 is educate people on fashion rental and peer-to-peer in 118 00:06:55,840 --> 00:06:59,120 particular and use that awareness and education. 119 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,800 Since we have a captive audience because everyone was online and 120 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:07,920 baking banana bread, we can use this captive audience to educate 121 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:12,560 them and hopefully convert them to start listing their wardrobes 122 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,360 on the app. During the lockdown, you know, 123 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:18,160 you had a lot of people marry condoing and clearing out their 124 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:21,240 closets and things like that. So it's actually, it was a good 125 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:26,200 use of time for us during COVID lockdown because everyone was 126 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:29,320 like, I think this makes sense and it's a free to use app. 127 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:32,360 I have nothing to lose. So you can see, you know, 128 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:35,600 there's like a huge range of items from contemporary to ultra 129 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:37,760 designer and then to completely rare. 130 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:40,960 You know, there, there are Chanel bags, there are Birkins 131 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:44,120 on there. There's like vintage Ralph 132 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:48,120 Lauren from 1994 that Blair Waldorf wore on the Gossip Girl 133 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:51,200 episode. But you have to be. 134 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:54,320 Unlock. Unlock and So how do you unlock? 135 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:57,320 By being a good hunter. Yeah, exactly. 136 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:00,480 You almost have to, you know, I don't want to say kiss a few 137 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,920 frogs because you're still renting beautiful items such as 138 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:07,120 like Gunny dresses and Rixo dresses and things like that. 139 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:11,280 But you gather enough ratings and reviews, and that helps you 140 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:15,720 unlock the Chanel bag and then eventually the Hermes bags. 141 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:20,000 And that's how we've made our community really invested in how 142 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,680 they use the bio rotation app. You know, they're very engaged. 143 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:25,360 And their profiles are, Yeah, their profiles are like, 144 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,320 beautiful CVS that they've essentially, like, you know, 145 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:33,679 spent a lot of time cultivating. And then so how do you, how do 146 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,880 you suggest people price their items? 147 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:39,120 Because that must be a science in itself, isn't it? 148 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:43,120 We base it off the retail value, but obviously if you think do. 149 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:46,200 You do the pricing or does the we suggest it right? 150 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:50,360 Kind of like Airbnb, we suggest it, but if you think, no, this 151 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:54,880 is a really rare sold out, you know, Vivian Westwood dress that 152 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:58,360 is no longer made and it's a collector's item and I'm willing 153 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:01,800 to rent it out for the weekend or week, then you could always 154 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:05,400 price it very high and equally. So there's a lot of these 155 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:07,800 dresses then. And if you just want to get 156 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:10,520 rentals, you can price it below and undercut everyone. 157 00:09:10,680 --> 00:09:14,240 So the market, you know, the laws of a marketplace, demand 158 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:17,720 and supply definitely prevail. Kind of brings me back to my 159 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:21,000 background working in finance. But how do you know? 160 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:24,880 On bags, for example? Yeah, that they are the 161 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,280 authentic thing. We don't, and that's the only 162 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:29,720 thing. So if you received and bagged 163 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:32,480 and you were like this is not authentic or I'm not sure it is, 164 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:35,960 we would ask the lender. And ideally they would already 165 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:39,360 have ratings and reviews that confirm other people have vetted 166 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:41,400 them and rented from them and are happy with them. 167 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:43,240 Yeah. But if you have any doubts, we 168 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:46,560 would give you a full refund and for them it would be a waste of 169 00:09:46,560 --> 00:09:48,720 time. Yeah, it's actually a new way to 170 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,880 look at fashion all together because people now when they go 171 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:55,520 shopping, they think, oh, I'm not going to buy all these High 172 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:58,800 Street clothes anymore. I'm just going to invest in the 173 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:02,480 designer item itself because I can spread the cost by renting 174 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,400 it out to others and I can also own it for myself and then 175 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:06,920 eventually resell it. Yeah. 176 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:12,480 I mean it must in a way be hurting the designer occasion 177 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:15,920 market. Do you, have you been approached 178 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:22,320 by any brands who work in that area to sort of, you know, work 179 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,440 with them instead of just peer-to-peer? 180 00:10:25,560 --> 00:10:29,040 Yeah, we have quite a few brand profiles on the app and actually 181 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:31,800 quite a few British ones, which we're really excited by. 182 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:35,560 You know, we've got Lulu, Guinness, we've got Roxanda. 183 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,400 We've recently been working with a more contemporary Karen Millen 184 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:40,880 as well. It's been kind of interesting 185 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:45,840 seeing like British home grown brands who want to ensure that 186 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:49,760 they are making their price point more affordable to people 187 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:53,880 who may not be sure about purchasing the item upfront. 188 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:58,400 Do you have a a sort of base level RR recommended retail 189 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:04,640 price that you have to that you will only take from that level 190 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:07,400 on? So it's £75 and above, which 191 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:09,560 isn't that much. Yeah. 192 00:11:09,560 --> 00:11:11,880 I mean, if you look at High Street fashion as well, a lot of 193 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:15,240 it has gone up in price. It's, you know, and then 194 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:18,120 obviously on the other side you've got ultra fast, fast 195 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:21,600 fashion giants, which we definitely do not allow on the 196 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:26,040 platform at all. Yeah, where are you on the AI 197 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:29,480 journey? In the AI side of things, we are 198 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:33,200 actually experimenting at the moment and and all the admins on 199 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:37,800 the app have it for a reverse image search. 200 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:43,160 So essentially if you uploaded, I don't know, you know, an 201 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:46,760 outfit that you've dressed Princess Diana in and we're 202 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:50,720 looking for something similar, you could find it by uploading 203 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:53,800 that image and then it'll show you all the various listings 204 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:56,280 there on the by rotation app to recreate that look. 205 00:11:56,600 --> 00:12:00,080 So what next for by rotation? So we're expanding in the Middle 206 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,040 East, which is super exciting. Exciting. 207 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:07,120 Yeah, there's, there's, I mean, maybe a few years ago and just 208 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,680 after COVID, I would have said it's not the right place for us 209 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:13,360 just because if you look at the local culture, I think the way 210 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:16,200 they look at second hand, it's not quite there yet. 211 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:18,080 The same is said in Asia as well. 212 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:23,320 We have how we've seen an influx of expats in the UAE and in 213 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,600 Dubai in particular. And a lot of them are actually 214 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:29,760 from the UK and from Ireland and also Europe. 215 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:33,720 And they are customers of our rotation, you know, or, or they 216 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,480 want to be and they've heard of it and they're like, when are 217 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:39,880 you guys coming here? Because we dress up a lot and 218 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:44,600 there's definitely like a larger than what your life actually is 219 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:48,520 mindset and mentality there, which, you know, perhaps could 220 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:51,280 could, you know, make way for our early adopters. 221 00:12:51,680 --> 00:12:53,440 Yeah. And do you, do you feel 222 00:12:53,440 --> 00:13:00,920 culturally that the the local community in the Middle East is 223 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:05,320 going to eventually adopt this way of thinking or do you think 224 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:07,480 that's going to be a steeper mountain to climb? 225 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,960 I think that will be a steeper mountain to climb than in 226 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:13,960 comparison to the UK. What we've experienced here, you 227 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:17,520 know, we always thought we would get so much pushback that we'd 228 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:22,000 be completely iced out by the fashion industry and by, you 229 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,840 know, people who are a bit more of the ownership mentality here. 230 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:28,360 But actually, I think the Brits care a lot about sustainability. 231 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:32,480 You see the media talking about it every single day, not just, 232 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:36,440 you know, in lifestyle publications, but also in 233 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:38,720 broadsheet, you know, as a point of news. 234 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:43,280 So I think in the UK we found it to we've really been embraced, I 235 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:47,240 think by, you know, most people understand why by rotation makes 236 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:50,600 sense. I think in the UAE there's a big 237 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:54,800 stigma around second hand and I think that's, you know, from 238 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:58,760 culture and from religion. Like, you know, even in Chinese 239 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:02,000 and Indian culture, you know, on on special occasions, you're 240 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:06,400 expected to wear new clothes. And by new they mean completely 241 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:10,000 new on worn clothes. So I think it'll be it'll be a 242 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,880 harder mountain to climb when it comes to the locals. 243 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:17,000 I do think, however, there might be some ways around it, such as, 244 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:22,080 you know, I mean things like having access to a very rare 245 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:26,520 vintage item or like a rare handbag that might be enticing 246 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:28,560 to them. You know, that might be a way 247 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:31,560 around it. 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They are actually a circular 274 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:15,160 denim company, which for me is just it's hard to do denim in a 275 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:18,040 sustainable way and I think. It's very hard and so how are 276 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:20,760 they doing it? It's all through off cuts from 277 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:24,920 what I understand and then I'm wearing a Cena Goya blazer. 278 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,680 It's a velvet one, which I think is it's kind of great for 279 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:29,120 autumn, winter. Gorgeous. 280 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:33,560 Thank you. And I had bought it in in Norway 281 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:36,640 right after we got married to see one of my best friends. 282 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:40,840 And yeah, it kind of reminds me of that trip, you know, recently 283 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:44,640 married, having a cute little time looking at the screen in 284 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:48,360 the in the National National Gallery in Oslo. 285 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:52,080 And it's actually a great jacket to wear. 286 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:56,800 I've interviewed live at on Bloomberg TV in this as well. 287 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:59,640 It's just one of those it makes you look professional but also 288 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:01,480 fashionable. And very luxy. 289 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,000 Yes, exactly. It's like a smoking jacket. 290 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:07,200 Gorgeous. So you grew up between India, 291 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:09,160 Singapore and the UK, am I right? 292 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:13,960 So where did you go to school in that lot? 293 00:17:14,079 --> 00:17:17,880 So I I was born in India, in Rajasthan and then I. 294 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:18,960 Where? In Rajasthan. 295 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:21,440 It's to actually where I was born. 296 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:25,040 It's not where people from abroad would go to, it's not a 297 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:27,760 tourist friendly place. It's where we actually live. 298 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:32,720 It's called Pilvara and it's known for its textiles, men's 299 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,960 suitings in particular. So less on the women's side. 300 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:39,640 But you know, I think fashion and textiles and textile mills, 301 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:43,200 it's something that I probably subconsciously grew up with 302 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:46,840 because my late uncle used to have a textile mill he ran. 303 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,760 But I moved to Singapore at the age of 2 1/2 because my parents 304 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:54,280 were in the marble and granite construction business. 305 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:58,280 And there was a huge housing boom in Singapore back then for 306 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:01,080 malls, for condominiums, you know, you name it, there was 307 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,840 Indian, Italian and Chinese marble and granite there. 308 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:07,800 So yeah, that, you know, I grew up in Singapore since the age of 309 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:10,240 2 1/2. And then I moved to the UK for 310 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:14,000 university. So I'd say I grew up in 311 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:17,960 Singapore, but I really became the person that I am in London. 312 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:20,880 And were you wearing a school uniform in Singapore? 313 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:24,400 Yeah, yeah, it's, I would say Singapore is very similar to the 314 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:26,520 UK. You know, it's Commonwealth at 315 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:30,200 the end of the day. And yeah, we had this like, 316 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:32,960 well, I, I went to a few different schools, obviously, 317 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:37,800 but we had like this tartan little skirt and like a blouse 318 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:40,080 and I, I just love that tartan skirt so much. 319 00:18:40,360 --> 00:18:43,120 Do you still very British? Do you still love tartan as a 320 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:44,680 result? Interesting. 321 00:18:45,360 --> 00:18:47,640 Were you very aware of your parents style? 322 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:53,200 My mom had great style, especially we were very, very 323 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:55,160 young. When I look at the photos then I 324 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:59,040 think when she got a bit older, I think she she sort of, it 325 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:03,120 feels like she didn't care so much about fashion. 326 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,320 I think we were the ones who were probably more, you know, 327 00:19:06,360 --> 00:19:11,280 interested in teenage fashion. When was your first memory of 328 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:13,440 clothes making you feel different? 329 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:17,480 My mom apparently says, and I think there's a photo to prove 330 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:23,680 it, that I went into a store when I was about 6 years old and 331 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:30,000 I asked the the shop the the salesperson to show me all the 332 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,120 pink dresses they had. The pink dresses. 333 00:19:32,120 --> 00:19:35,240 The paint dresses, I want it to look like a Princess, I 334 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:37,800 insisted. And then I just walked out with 335 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:40,520 one. Do you remember putting it on? 336 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:44,040 No, no, I just said I want this. And then I held it and I looked 337 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:46,760 it up and I think my mum wasn't even in the store. 338 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:49,200 She was in the store next door. I was like, OK, I'm taking it, 339 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,040 my mum will, my mum will deal with it. 340 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:52,400 And I just left my. Mum would deal with it. 341 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:56,000 Yeah, would. Was it putting that dress on 342 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:57,640 when you got it home that you thought? 343 00:19:57,800 --> 00:19:59,440 I'm a no, I didn't get to keep it. 344 00:19:59,960 --> 00:20:03,680 I was like, oh, OK, I don't get to be a Princess. 345 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:07,040 And I think, I think maybe that's why growing up I was kind 346 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,320 of like. Well, I'm, I'm, I'm not really 347 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:11,880 sure yet of my style and my personality. 348 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:14,960 My mom dressed us a lot though, when we were young. 349 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,640 And I look at our photos, you know, you know, the film photos, 350 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:20,120 obviously. And I was like, Oh my God, we 351 00:20:20,120 --> 00:20:22,960 were very chic. My mom had really good taste. 352 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:24,720 She was newly moved to Singapore. 353 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,880 She was a young mother, as you would be back in the day in 354 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,440 India. And, and, you know, she was 355 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,600 getting her taste of dressing in Western clothing too. 356 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,480 And that's when, you know, people like Princess Diana would 357 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:42,440 have such a big influence in in Asian culture and you'd see all 358 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:46,480 these amazing sort of silk and chiffon blouses that she had 359 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:50,080 bought for herself. And there would be like a silk 360 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:53,320 chiffon white blouse with a matching trousers, really long 361 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,960 trousers with like a like a vest jacket on it as well. 362 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:02,400 And then for us, she would buy like these leopard print, like 363 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:06,560 cohort, like skirt and, and top. And I was like, yeah. 364 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:10,400 And I was like, this is so chic. And we all had like chic Bob 365 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,240 haircuts. I think at one point I had like 366 00:21:13,360 --> 00:21:17,560 a little fake Chanel bag because you know, it, it well, I, I 367 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,520 don't think it was like it didn't have the CNC logo on it, 368 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,240 but I think it was meant to look like a Chanel bag. 369 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,640 And I, I was just like, my mom is very, I look back at those, 370 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:30,080 those photos and I was like, my mom was very stylish and she 371 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:34,520 wanted to dress as stylish, not, not like a basic, you're a girl, 372 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:38,600 you need to wear pink dresses all the time and fall floral 373 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:43,280 frocks and things like that. And then you came to the UK for 374 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:46,360 uni, yes. And do you think you'd really 375 00:21:46,360 --> 00:21:49,200 sort of found your fashion mojo then? 376 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,160 So when, when did that all start? 377 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:52,560 So. The thing is, growing up in 378 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,120 Singapore, we didn't have seasons, yeah. 379 00:21:55,280 --> 00:22:00,760 So I didn't even know how to style boots and tights. 380 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:02,360 How? Cold and wet and miserable it 381 00:22:02,360 --> 00:22:03,480 can get. Yeah, yeah. 382 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:05,280 And, and the fact that it changes. 383 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:08,760 So actually you don't wear some things like you're meant to wear 384 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,120 a denim jacket right now. That's not something I would 385 00:22:11,120 --> 00:22:12,840 know. I thought you just own a coat 386 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,000 and that's it. Like, I wouldn't have thought 387 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,080 you own a what's the point of a leather jacket? 388 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:18,240 When are you supposed to wear it? 389 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:20,480 I I didn't know that. You know, I grew up in Singapore 390 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,640 where it's 30°. It's hot, humid, so sometimes it 391 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:25,680 rains. So, you know, you just wear 392 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,240 shorts, you have an umbrella or you wear anything loose. 393 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:32,200 So I found that quite and I had to navigate it myself. 394 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,760 You know, I didn't go to fashion school or anything, you know, 395 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,040 studying business management at CASP Business School. 396 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,920 No one was that super interested in fashion. 397 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:45,120 Everyone was very chic though. They would all have, you know, 398 00:22:45,120 --> 00:22:48,440 that cute little Prada Balenciaga bags on the first day 399 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,680 of uni. And I was like, OK, these people 400 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,240 are cool. They know they're fashion, but 401 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,200 they're very, you know, they're, they're just dressed very 402 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,600 effortlessly. It was a very, I'd say European 403 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:03,440 heavy school. And that's when I was like, I 404 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,360 need to figure out how to dress according to season. 405 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,800 That's the most important thing. I don't need to figure out how 406 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:13,960 to dress in different cool outfits and, you know, mix and 407 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,400 match colours and patterns. I just need to get the basics 408 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:18,920 because I don't even know the basics. 409 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:20,920 And where did you go to get the basics? 410 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:22,920 Do you remember? I think when I was a student, I 411 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,680 was shopping at places like costs and other stories, you 412 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:31,000 know, whatever you have on your budget again in Singapore and I 413 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,480 think to date, you know, these brands are considered to be more 414 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,520 expensive than the local fast fashion brands. 415 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:41,840 So I think things like Zara in Singapore dollars address at 416 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:47,080 Zara right now is probably $250. So it's not considered cheap 417 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:48,720 though? Essentially, yeah. 418 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:50,920 And then you went into finance, Yeah. 419 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,480 Did you have a sort of finance work uniform? 420 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,720 Yeah, yeah. And what did that look like? 421 00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:01,040 It's so funny because I was actually teased a lot by by the 422 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:04,560 guys on the on the floor for it, then eventually bullied by a 423 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,600 woman for it. Please don't tell me that. 424 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,720 Yeah, it's, it's funny because it's true. 425 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,440 I mean, it's, it's true to a certain extent. 426 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:16,480 You know, I did, I, I was very, you know, part of the reason why 427 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,600 I wanted to work in finance after doing 3 internships there 428 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:24,920 during my university years was that I really liked how serious, 429 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:26,840 you know, the, the atmosphere was. 430 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,200 I loved meeting all these brilliant minds and they dressed 431 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,360 sharp and I really liked that. And I think, you know, I grew up 432 00:24:33,360 --> 00:24:37,520 in Singapore, which is a very formal sort of, you know, 433 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:41,240 society, I would say, like respect, manners and things like 434 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,000 that. A little bit conservative. 435 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,080 Yeah, definitely. Like, like cleavage would be 436 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:52,120 considered, you know, overt exactly, exactly like you're 437 00:24:52,120 --> 00:24:54,440 trying to say something about yourself. 438 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,440 Whereas here no one cares, no one really gives another look. 439 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,800 And that's what I was like. I think this is the industry I 440 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,240 really like. Everything is taking all my 441 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,480 boxes. I can, I can probably carry a 442 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,760 designer bag here without being judged, you know, so, and that's 443 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:13,240 a shopaholic Singaporean in me. So when I started working, I 444 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:18,360 remember as a treat, I bought myself a pair of Louboutins, you 445 00:25:18,360 --> 00:25:20,240 know, with the red sole stiletto. 446 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:25,080 And, and it's funny because a lot of the guys on the floor 447 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:29,360 and, and I, I was in a team of 40 men and three of us were 448 00:25:29,360 --> 00:25:32,560 women and two of them were in London and I was the only one in 449 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,520 Edinburgh where I started off my career. 450 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,880 And, but they didn't, they were just teasing me in like a funny 451 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,280 way. They're like, aren't those, 452 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,760 those really like Devil Wears Prada type shoes? 453 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:46,880 And I was like, yeah, they're called Louis Vuitton's. 454 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,400 And they're like, I'm sorry, you know, and these, these, these 455 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,880 are like old Scottish guys. And then they were like, So what 456 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:54,920 bag are you carrying? What should I buy my wife for 457 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:56,440 Christmas? And I was like, oh, it's a 458 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,360 Balenciaga. And they're like, what is this? 459 00:25:58,360 --> 00:26:02,120 What is a Balenciaga, You know, And it was really funny because 460 00:26:02,120 --> 00:26:05,480 the guys thought it was amusing that I was this girl who was, 461 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:09,240 you know, this Asian girl who, you know, studied in London and 462 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:10,840 now moved to Edinburgh for her job. 463 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,400 And she was, you know, she had personality when she dressed. 464 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,800 And it's funny because I actually ended up being bullied 465 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:23,520 by an older woman in the London team when she was once visiting. 466 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:28,040 And she said, don't you want to be known for your work, not the 467 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,680 way that you're dressed. You should just create a uniform 468 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,720 for yourself at work and wear like a grey pantsuit. 469 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:40,200 And I remember crying and I was like, yeah, it, it was quite 470 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,600 because she singled me out and she brought me a way to 471 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:46,320 essentially tell me all these things about how, you know, I 472 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,600 should let my work do the talking and not my style. 473 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,920 Like, I don't need to bring my personality to work this, you 474 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:54,920 know, just do the work and that's it. 475 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,120 But yeah, I, I guess it's, it's maybe like one of the reasons 476 00:26:59,120 --> 00:27:03,320 why I might have found a by rotation because it is about 477 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:07,200 bringing your full self yes to your work, to your everyday. 478 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:12,040 And did you change your style? No, it's funny. 479 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,280 Because I went back to my office, I went back to my desk 480 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:19,720 and my boss, old Scottish guy, really nice, tough love. 481 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,840 He obviously knew. He could see from my eyes that 482 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,600 I've been crying. And he was like, what happened? 483 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,240 Who, who did you meet? And then I said, oh, this person 484 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,440 asked me to meet them. He's like, what happened? 485 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,240 Did they say something to you? And he was the one who was like, 486 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,720 ignore everything she said. I'm going to raise a complaint 487 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,240 about this and you can wear whatever you want. 488 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,200 Good boy. He was, he was just like, we 489 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,000 never cared about this. We actually thought it was 490 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:51,360 interesting that you didn't want to make this a stuffy place and 491 00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:55,280 bring your entire personality. And it's funny because working 492 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,640 on the investment floor and investment team, the whole point 493 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:03,320 of hiring people that come from different backgrounds is that 494 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,800 they bring different investment perspectives as well. 495 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,280 Totally. It breaks group think and herd 496 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,000 mentality. And that can happen when you're 497 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,360 a group of 39 Scottish old white males. 498 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,280 You know, they wanted this, they celebrated it. 499 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:21,600 And she was telling me to to have a great pantsuit uniform. 500 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:27,080 How sad. I yeah, I I don't even want to 501 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,240 go there. But I do love dressing corporate 502 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,880 and I still dress like that on my board meeting days. 503 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,080 OK. So I wanted to ask you on the 504 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,680 board meeting days or actually more specifically on fundraising 505 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,120 days, Yeah. What do you reach for to wear? 506 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,800 Oh God no fundraising different. I did 17 calls in a day. 507 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:51,880 So, so I was and I was clearly in a hoodie, probably not 508 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:56,000 showered and the people on the call knew that, but I was quite 509 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,720 I mean, it's. Gotten to a point, but it wasn't 510 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,160 a video call. It was a video call. 511 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,160 Right. But I had gotten to a point 512 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,200 where was I? And I think that's one of the 513 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:06,880 things I've felt now that I'm six years in. 514 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,040 And I'm sure you must have felt this along the way. 515 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,760 You get more comfortable in yourself and you know your 516 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,920 story. And if people haven't done their 517 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,360 background research on you, then they shouldn't really be here. 518 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,600 I remember in the first few years of founding by rotation 519 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,560 and our brown colors are green and pink. 520 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:31,280 I always wore loud green or pink dresses to, you know, to ensure 521 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,280 that by rotation. Like someone asked me where was 522 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,880 your dress from? And I'd say by rotation or to 523 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:39,560 ensure that by rotation had some kind of presence at an event or 524 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,120 in my headshot photos or if we were in the newspaper, you know, 525 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:47,560 your eyes would draw to it. But now I'm, I rarely dress in 526 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,280 green and pink. I'm like, that's my business. 527 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,160 I think my business has done all the talking. 528 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,800 I think you already kind of know probably what we've achieved so 529 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,640 far. The focus now is on my words. 530 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,400 Yeah. So let's keep it there. 531 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:04,440 And and I think I don't know, with the when I did the 17 calls 532 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,120 within a day, it was very structured. 533 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,640 You know, it was like, you have this much time, ask me all the 534 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,920 questions. Hopefully you came here with all 535 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:13,800 the research and you have your questions ready. 536 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,880 For me. It kind of built a dynamic where 537 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:21,320 they respected my time and my position so that if they wanted 538 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,200 to invest that that was a contract. 539 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:30,640 Yeah, but I mean, you had the massive leg up of your years in 540 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:31,400 the first. Yeah. 541 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,560 Yes. And, and obviously when I raised 542 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:37,080 the venture round that we did a few years ago, I was, you know, 543 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:41,560 I, I showered, I went to that office, I pitched, I was 45 544 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:45,680 minutes late to the meeting, which, which was, you know, I 545 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,600 had told them, I said, I'm sorry that Uber was, was stuck in 546 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,080 traffic. And they said just take the 547 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:52,200 tube. And I said, no, I'm wearing 548 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:57,040 heels so good. But but you know, I was kind of 549 00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:01,920 also like this, you know, this is the kind of, I guess, you 550 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,960 know, it's a fashion forward woman who is pragmatic, but not 551 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:07,520 pragmatic enough to take an Uber. 552 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,080 They would seem to to take the tube. 553 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,640 Sorry, take the tube. Or put some sneakers on and take 554 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,800 the tube with your Louboutins in the bag. 555 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,600 But sorry, I interrupted you. So when you've got a board 556 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:25,560 meeting, yeah, what did you reach for the a similar look 557 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:30,120 every time or? I still have all my clothes from 558 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:34,560 finance days and so I reach out for something in those. 559 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:40,160 It will be smart heels always and usually like a tweed blazer 560 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,880 or jacket on top. It's just kind of sets the 561 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,360 dynamic straight that, you know, maybe I dress up and I go to 562 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:51,240 industry events and you know, I, I'm, it looks like I have a 563 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,800 glamorous and fun life. But when it comes to us 564 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:57,160 discussing numbers and business plans, you have my full 565 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,600 attention. And I'm here as a as ACEO. 566 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,760 Yeah. So do you think you message 567 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,000 through your clothes? I think so it's a bit of 568 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,440 signalling for sure. And I don't it's not that I 569 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,280 believe in lean in, you know, Sheryl Sandberg's philosophy 570 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,360 about how like we just we just have to get on with it and and 571 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,800 do what's expected and behave like one of the boys, one of the 572 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,800 men. It's not that I believe in that, 573 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,440 but I think you know, when in Rome dressed like a Roman, as 574 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,760 they say. So based on the situation that 575 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:26,240 you are, just change your approach. 576 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,560 Be the chameleon. In your wardrobe, how much do 577 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,560 you rent out? Almost everything, really. 578 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,680 With the exception of things like Chanel and like, you know, 579 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,440 Manolo Blahnik, the the Hunger Sea, which is Saturn, You know, 580 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,520 I wouldn't be happy if they got scuffed. 581 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,320 But yeah, almost everything. This this is on the app so. 582 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:48,280 Yeah. And do you have any bags in 583 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,360 particular that you won't rent? The Chanel, yeah, I wouldn't do 584 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,000 that. And I've got an air mass which I 585 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:54,920 wouldn't. I just, I just feel like I don't 586 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:59,600 really, but I have a couple of Lady Dior's on there which I do 587 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,840 ask though. Like where are you taking the 588 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,080 bag if you're renting it? So, and have you ever bought 589 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:10,880 yourself something as a sort of reward to a fundraiser or just a 590 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,480 a particular milestone in your life? 591 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:18,920 You know, we did a partnership with Neda Portae and I remember 592 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,280 and it was also the Valley to be fair. 593 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:25,120 So Henry Festival and we have this particular part of the 594 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:30,160 festival which no husband likes. It's it's this festival where 595 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,840 you have to buy gold in the household in Indians love gold. 596 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,200 You know, that's the thing. We probably have more gold in 597 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:41,120 the federal reserves and apparently the Lady Dior has 598 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,400 real gold in it. So I said, listen, this is 599 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,080 cheaper than going to Cartier, so just buy me. 600 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:52,040 So I bought this really nice Lady Dior with with like a water 601 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,600 snake material, which by the way, it's not, it's not 602 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,440 endangered or whatever. It's it's very common. 603 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,480 And yeah, it's one of my, like, prized Lady Diors. 604 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:08,080 Wonderful, your Diwali Dior. Yes, exactly for closing that 605 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,239 aporte. Wonderful. 606 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,920 If I were to say to you, you could only dress in two brands, 607 00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:20,199 which one High Street and one designer, which two would those 608 00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:23,679 be? OK, don't really wear High 609 00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:27,000 Street anymore just because we're quite, you know, like 610 00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:29,719 rent. Instead of buying High Street, 611 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,000 can I choose something else? OK, two designer. 612 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,320 To designer, yeah, OK. I'll I'll give that one to you 613 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,440 because I know you've got your whole sort of rental wardrobe 614 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,120 too. Exactly, exactly. 615 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:47,480 I think, I think it's got to be something more contemporary will 616 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,880 be Jacques Meuse. I just feel like he, of course, 617 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,960 he's so good at Instagram, like the business has really 618 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,560 flourished because he knows how to do Instagram. 619 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:02,160 But I think in terms of his eye, you know, I, I, the first thing 620 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,200 I bought from him was before he was big on Instagram. 621 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,880 It was before his pink runway show in the lavender fields. 622 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:13,400 It was my civil ceremony outfit and my sister's like, you should 623 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:17,000 buy him before he goes massive and turns out now he's massive. 624 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,560 So I think Jacques Meus because I think his style has evolved 625 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:24,520 and it's kind of like, you know, he knows what women want to wear 626 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,000 and, and, and women of all shapes and sizes. 627 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,080 And I think his silhouettes definitely have been very 628 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:35,080 flattering towards me for me. And then I think the second 629 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:42,040 brand, if I had to choose Dior, I would love Dior. 630 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,840 If I could, I would love to wear ready to wear Dior all the time. 631 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:51,840 Every time now new Dior with JW Anderson, the aesthetic has 632 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:53,560 changed dramatically. I. 633 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:58,480 Know and I'm going to say the previous Dior, which fashion 634 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,600 industry doesn't seem to agree with, but I think it's me being 635 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:05,480 kind of feminine and and and girly and Asian about it. 636 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,600 But I I I loved the previous aesthetic by Maria. 637 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:13,760 Grazia Juri and she, she really, really understands women and 638 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,120 what we want to wear. I loved that aesthetic. 639 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,400 It it was. It's getting hate though from 640 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,800 the IT was. Truly, truly beautiful. 641 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:22,840 Yeah. Do you remember what you're 642 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:24,600 wearing when you first met your husband? 643 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,080 Yes, I do. What was it? 644 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,480 It was this, actually. It was beautiful and I wish how. 645 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,960 Did you meet him First off? We were planning a conference 646 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:34,920 together. We, we're kind of, I don't want 647 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,720 to call us nerdy Sidious, geeky people, but yeah, we're, we're 648 00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:43,520 both quite career oriented, ambitious people and pragmatic. 649 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,200 And we met while we were planning a conference together. 650 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,280 He was the president, I was one of the vice presidents. 651 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,240 I was doing vice president marketing to try and get as many 652 00:36:52,240 --> 00:36:55,720 delegates as possible and I heard him on the phone. 653 00:36:55,720 --> 00:36:58,680 So it was kind of love at first sound. 654 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,400 I just. So you heard him before you saw 655 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:02,400 him? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 656 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,120 Because we were in different cities and we were planning his 657 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,320 conference together and he was enlisting me. 658 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,360 And when I heard him, I was like, Oh my God, he sounds like, 659 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,400 you know, the Harry Potter type of English people that I never 660 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:18,480 get to meet because my Business School was full of Europeans and 661 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:22,000 and Russians and, you know, Asians, that there were like 2 662 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,120 British people in my Business School despite living in London. 663 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,600 So yeah, I think, I think it kind of started from there. 664 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:34,880 And he, when he first saw me, I was wearing this really like 665 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,560 this bright red jumper from American Apparel, which 666 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:42,960 obviously no longer exists. It had this floral applique like 667 00:37:43,240 --> 00:37:46,280 rose appliques all over it. It was actually really popular 668 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,520 back in the day. But it's I should have never 669 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:52,240 sold it. And I think a skirt with it, it 670 00:37:52,240 --> 00:37:54,120 was not. The bottom part was not that 671 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:55,680 great, to be honest. That's what I mean. 672 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,520 I didn't know how to dress properly. 673 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:02,240 But so when do you feel you really nailed your style DNA? 674 00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:07,120 Finance days, yeah, definitely. I think it was probably, I think 675 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:13,240 I finally had like my own salary, my, my own income, like 676 00:38:13,240 --> 00:38:17,360 my own way of like choosing how I want to spend it, you know, 677 00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,360 buying my first ever Burberry trench coat. 678 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,560 You know, when I started working in finance, these kind of, you 679 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,680 know, these kind of things. I sort of like picking up these 680 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,040 things and being like, I want to invest in that. 681 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,760 Like a Mulberry Bayswater bag for your finance job. 682 00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:36,800 Yeah. It was just, I think the, that 683 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:41,320 was the time when I became, I think overall it's when I became 684 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:45,560 much more confident in myself and myself esteem grew just 685 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:49,920 seeing like I would make decisions of £80 million within 686 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,760 a matter of an hour. And you know, I, I was like, I 687 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,600 had just graduated undergrad from uni and I was like, Are you 688 00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,080 sure you want me to make this decision? 689 00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,880 And my male colleagues who are honestly my allies, they were 690 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:05,080 like, yeah, this is your job, you need to make a decision. 691 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,640 Go do research and tell us what we should do. 692 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:14,160 Like and I think that's what made me get my confidence and my 693 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,000 self esteem. Did you have a style icon? 694 00:39:17,720 --> 00:39:20,440 I love Morticia Adams, I just love her. 695 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,800 No, I don't see you and Morticia Adams. 696 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:24,960 Not right now. I'm working. 697 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,680 No, no, I'm working right now. But I love her. 698 00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:33,720 We have a dark cookie side. But I also love Fran in, you 699 00:39:33,720 --> 00:39:35,080 know, the nanny. Fran. 700 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:36,920 Fine. Fran Drescher. 701 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,000 Yes. In the show The Nanny Do You 702 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,040 know, it was, it was big in the US and it was big in Singapore 703 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,000 on Hallmark Channel. She always wore these like cute 704 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,320 little skirts that had cord tops on them. 705 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,600 I think I had a little bit of that, definitely. 706 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,200 I mean, you strike me as being incredibly well organised. 707 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,560 I think it's the sort of investment analyst or banker or 708 00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:02,840 you know, part of part of you. Do you plan your looks? 709 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,640 Yeah definitely. I just went to my friends 710 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:10,280 wedding in Ibiza and every outfit was on a spreadsheet. 711 00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:15,080 And so how do you go about that? Do you try everything on and 712 00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,000 your mirror selfie? No. 713 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:21,160 No, you just you list. It it's gotta work, I'll take it 714 00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,480 and it has to work on that. We'll find a way to make it 715 00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,440 work, but we'll style it in a different way. 716 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:30,720 But like in particular, two weeks ago I was, I was in London 717 00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:33,400 for quite a few events. Then I went to New York for 718 00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,960 Climate Week. No, I was at, I was in London 719 00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:37,800 for Fashion Week for the Roxando show. 720 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:41,000 And then I went to New York Climate Week directly from the 721 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,080 show. And then I was in Ibiza for my 722 00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,520 friend's wedding directly after. So it was non-stop and I had to 723 00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:50,320 plan all my outfits. And I'm also very big on only 724 00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,560 having cabin luggage. Oh, stop it. 725 00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:55,200 Don't tell me you did all of that with cabin luggage. 726 00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:56,200 I did. Oh my. 727 00:40:56,720 --> 00:40:59,160 God, and so did my husband, so it's not like I was taking it 728 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,120 off his face. And so you couldn't even rent an 729 00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,120 Ibiza and have it sitting there for. 730 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:07,920 You I I had rented and take it. Right. 731 00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:09,720 Efficiency is the name. I mean like. 732 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:16,440 Champo to you, that is really, really impressive, and I do. 733 00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,760 Four pair of heels. Sorry, sorry doesn't mean now. 734 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:21,720 Now I'm just showing off. You really are. 735 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,120 Oh my God. So OK, just run me through that. 736 00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,240 What were the outfits looking like? 737 00:41:29,240 --> 00:41:34,280 Look, they were for OK, for, well, OK, for New York Climate 738 00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,360 Week. I went to the NET Gala, which 739 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:40,480 was this amazing event where I was set diagonal to Billie 740 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,120 Eilish and I was like, this is happening. 741 00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:46,600 It was such a great first ever inaugural event to raise funds 742 00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:51,080 for the climate crisis. And for that, I actually rented 743 00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,920 from someone in New York. Perfect. 744 00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,440 So the dresses. What did you what did you rent? 745 00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,000 Oh, I. Rented this, completely sold out 746 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,680 everywhere. Tory Burch couture outfit. 747 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:07,000 It has mirrors all over it. It's actually a type of Indian 748 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,800 artwork, artisanship. Yeah, and it's sold out 749 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:14,040 everywhere. And this one woman, very chic 750 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:18,080 woman who live near Gramercy Park in New York, she had it and 751 00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:19,800 I rented it from her. Amazing. 752 00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:23,400 How much did that cost? You it cost $700.00, but the 753 00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:28,560 gala was it's just one of those it's a crazy work event and 754 00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,840 honestly the content that we got out of it for work to which. 755 00:42:32,240 --> 00:42:33,760 You don't have to justify it to me. 756 00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,040 So then that was one pair of the heels that went with that. 757 00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:41,160 Yes, exactly. Then your New York Climate week. 758 00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:44,960 Yes, I had quite a few meetings, round tables, workshops. 759 00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,480 I was meant to speak on a panel, but I had to fly back for the 760 00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:54,200 Ibiza wedding to that. I had kitten, kitten heel Jimmy 761 00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:58,320 Choos, which was silver, which I ended up I never wear silver 762 00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,040 jewellery. I ended up wearing silver 763 00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,360 earrings to match with them. Fantastic, complete. 764 00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,960 I felt like a different person and I was re wearing my clothes 765 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,880 but just with different shoes and earrings. 766 00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,640 And yeah, that was me new, new Ishito. 767 00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:15,440 And then obviously I had trainers to go to the airport 768 00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,320 and running because I was late for my flight anyway. 769 00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:27,200 And then I had another pair, oh, an option for the gala dinner, 770 00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,360 which I didn't wear, which was the Manolo Hungasy. 771 00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:31,200 So a pair that I didn't even wear. 772 00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:36,560 And then you had all your Ibiza luggage in your carry on. 773 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,640 Yes. So I went back, got home at 774 00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:43,080 10:00 PM start packing because my flight was the next morning 775 00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:46,160 at 9:00 AM. So you came home between New 776 00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,400 York and. I was going to switch within the 777 00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,320 Gatwick terminal but British Airways told me they couldn't 778 00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:56,120 guarantee if I missed my connection well so. 779 00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,760 Impressive. Sorry you thought it was direct 780 00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:01,040 from. Totally, totally. 781 00:44:01,240 --> 00:44:04,000 That wasn't tough. What luggage you do you use? 782 00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,280 Samsonite, You know the cabin, Yes. 783 00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,840 He put it down to a. Sign of London has an amazing 784 00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:15,840 new bag they call it. I'm trying to remember what it's 785 00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:17,640 called. Not Pebble, Pebble or something 786 00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:19,760 like that. It's a really good cabin bag. 787 00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:25,120 If I asked you how your husband would describe your style DNA in 788 00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,760 three words, what 3 words would those be? 789 00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:37,760 Elegant, sultry, comfortable. That's quite a combo, but I love 790 00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:39,480 it. Thank you, I love it. 791 00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:46,320 It's what I want him to say. I think as human beings, 792 00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,840 particularly in the fashion world, we can all be a little 793 00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:53,640 guilty of sizing people up by what they're wearing. 794 00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:58,800 And I just wondered, is that something that you're conscious 795 00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:02,440 of doing? I feel like in the last six 796 00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:05,960 years I've realized that the problem in the fashion industry 797 00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,080 is not and the problem of waste in the fashion industry. 798 00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,880 It's not just limited to fast fashion. 799 00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,200 You also see that in designer fashion. 800 00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,200 You know, you hear of brands burning their stock and things 801 00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:20,400 like that. I think luxury, expensive 802 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,760 fashion, it no longer impresses me. 803 00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:26,160 So when you see someone being super flashy in the way they 804 00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,960 dress, I almost feel like do they have nothing inside to 805 00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:33,520 offer that they have to wear everything out all at once. 806 00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,640 So I don't know, I just feel I feel less drawn to it. 807 00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,360 But the fashion industry all together. 808 00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,400 And I don't know how you feel about this, Amanda, but I think 809 00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:47,360 I just feel like if I could, if I had all the money in the 810 00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:51,040 world, I would love to live the life of the Wild Thornberries, 811 00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:56,280 who's like doing crazy safaris and not really bothering with 812 00:45:56,280 --> 00:46:00,520 what they wear and what they. Look like in society technical 813 00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,520 functional clothing. But not even that, I think I 814 00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:08,760 just don't really care so much about, about the who's who and, 815 00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,040 and what are they wearing and all of that. 816 00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,960 I think maybe I've had overstimulation, You know, I 817 00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,520 just, I've done so much of this in the last six years, even 818 00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,720 though two years were in COVID. I just, I kind of see through 819 00:46:19,720 --> 00:46:22,080 it. So when someone tells me that 820 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:26,800 they have the rarest, you know, whatever Birkin bag or whatever, 821 00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,080 it doesn't really impress me because I think there's like a 822 00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:33,920 lot of diminishing marginal utility, like money and fashion 823 00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:38,600 can cannot buy you a place. That's what I feel, yeah. 824 00:46:38,720 --> 00:46:40,640 Refreshing. Answering your question. 825 00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,080 Absolutely. I mean really, Really. 826 00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,440 Refreshing. It's that saying, right? 827 00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,800 Like clothes don't make a person. 828 00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,680 It's really like what's inside that makes a person and and I 829 00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:55,840 feel that more having had so many experiences all squashed 830 00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:59,200 into a short amount of time in the industry you've you've been. 831 00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,800 Yes, I mean, you've, you've had a very intense time in the 832 00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:04,840 industry. I think so and and I'm glad I 833 00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,320 did because I've, I want the business to succeed. 834 00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,120 So I have to be everywhere. But I just. 835 00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:16,320 I I like my weekends to myself now and I like them without me 836 00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,960 being in crazy fashion or. So what? 837 00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,360 Stay at home, chill out, Ishita wearing. 838 00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:29,480 Probably my aloe avory like yoga outfit or whatever or P JS. 839 00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,720 I love stripe and stare, you know, a sustainable female run 840 00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:37,440 and owned brand. I just I just don't I don't 841 00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,560 really care that much. Do you know what I mean about 842 00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,480 the aesthetic or whatever? Like I just just want to be 843 00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:46,160 comfortable and hopefully my husband still finds it elegant 844 00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,160 and sultry. Elegant and sultry like that? 845 00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,720 Let's talk about hair, makeup and manicures. 846 00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:54,840 What's the most important to you? 847 00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,240 I'm wearing makeup for you today for the podcast. 848 00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,720 Thank you. I think I'm quite fussy about my 849 00:48:02,720 --> 00:48:04,640 hair. That's the one thing because 850 00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:08,000 firstly, as you can see, it's quite light, which which you 851 00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:12,360 can't really achieve usually for like South Asian hair, well, an 852 00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:16,360 Asian hair in general. And this is like a product of me 853 00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:20,200 going to George Northwood since 2022, yeah. 854 00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,000 Genius. Yeah, and I've been going 855 00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,600 religiously, that's why the colours what it is. 856 00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,920 I think I'm kind of known for my hair as well, Touchwood. 857 00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:32,000 I've been lucky to be blessed with good hair which grows quite 858 00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:36,440 fast as well. But the colour it, it just, it 859 00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,720 has to be right. Otherwise I, I, it's, I'm very 860 00:48:39,720 --> 00:48:44,840 fussy about that, basically not fussy about nails and like 861 00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:48,120 manicures, pedicure, I, I just find them to be a waste of time. 862 00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,560 OK so you are a low maintenance girl except the hair. 863 00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:55,560 I think I think the the manicure mattered more when I worked with 864 00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:59,560 a bunch of men and we sat in a meeting room every day like for 865 00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:01,480 meetings and they looked. Very visible hands. 866 00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,440 Exactly right. I'm typing on my Bloomberg key, 867 00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:05,560 bored. And, you know, where else can 868 00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:07,040 you look, right? The men are looking at your 869 00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:08,400 fingers and you're moving your hands. 870 00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,440 So I think I cared more when I worked in finance and when I had 871 00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,720 a corporate job. But now I just, I just find it 872 00:49:14,720 --> 00:49:18,000 to take a lot of time. And I think there needs to be 873 00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,960 some sort of business, some sort of idea that needs to make it 874 00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:22,800 easier. You know, I don't think stick on 875 00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:28,600 works, but I think there needs to be some sort of idea and then 876 00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,640 make up. I just not really into wearing a 877 00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:36,160 huge amount, would wear it for appearances, recordings. 878 00:49:37,720 --> 00:49:40,400 I think skin is more important. And tweakments. 879 00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,200 How do you feel about that? I mean, you're way too young to 880 00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,720 even think about them so I don't know why I'm asking that. 881 00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:49,600 I just, I have quite a few, like I know a lot of people around me 882 00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:52,640 that do it and obviously the industry is quite open about it. 883 00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:56,640 You see a lot of pressure on very young women to do it. 884 00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:00,200 I think. I mean, I grew up in like a 885 00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:04,200 household where my mom frowned upon even wearing makeup. 886 00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:08,720 So I feel, I mean, I feel like I would be judged by her. 887 00:50:08,720 --> 00:50:11,760 There's definitely that that Asian judgement that comes from 888 00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:13,680 the part of the world that I'm from. 889 00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:17,680 And I was, I don't know. I kind of feel like I want to 890 00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:21,520 see how I evolve. Like I just want to see it go 891 00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:23,280 natural. I, I might feel differently 892 00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,720 after I have kids or whatever, but for now I just feel like, 893 00:50:26,720 --> 00:50:30,280 let's see where this goes and, and then we can take it from 894 00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,280 there. Try and be as natural. 895 00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:36,320 I want to try and be as close to who I am as possible. 896 00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:39,520 These things, they're not, they're not the temporary, you 897 00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:41,600 know? Yeah, gorgeous. 898 00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:45,320 Thank you. Just coming back to your husband 899 00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,640 and getting married. What did you wear to get 900 00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:48,920 married? Well, I have. 901 00:50:49,240 --> 00:50:51,160 Well, so we had a civil ceremony, Yeah. 902 00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:52,760 At Old Marlborne Town Hall, where we. 903 00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:55,600 Used to live, yeah. And what did you wear for that? 904 00:50:55,720 --> 00:50:59,120 Jacques Muse dress gorgeous. And this was like when, again, 905 00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:02,000 he hadn't even done the famous pink runway show. 906 00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,000 Yeah, so it was. He was not that well known. 907 00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,680 And the prices were different. Yeah, as you can imagine. 908 00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:09,960 And then did you have an Indian wedding? 909 00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:13,520 And then I had the Indian wedding, the Angelo Indian, so 910 00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:17,880 my my husband's British and I wore 4 different outfits. 911 00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:18,960 Oh. Tell me. 912 00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:20,440 Tell me. Yeah. 913 00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,760 So my husband's from this, I guess they call it village 914 00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:28,280 called Kukun next to, do you know, Clifton House? 915 00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,560 Yeah, yeah, next to Martin House. 916 00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:33,120 Yeah. So we got married at Hedzer 917 00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,360 House, which is next to Clifton House. 918 00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,640 And so it was a very, I would say English setting. 919 00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:41,640 And then we had an Indian Hindu wedding. 920 00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:44,160 Because I'm religious. He's not, he's, he's, he's not 921 00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,320 very religious. So did you have Hannah? 922 00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:50,640 Hannah, tell me. So I had like all the way until 923 00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:55,160 here and then I had four different outfits. 924 00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:59,080 We had the night where you dance, you know, Sinky, that's 925 00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:02,440 the musical performances. His parents also danced. 926 00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:06,880 He has a few Scottish relative so they did a Kaylee as well. 927 00:52:07,240 --> 00:52:10,640 His cousin was wearing a kilt to the wedding and but. 928 00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,360 Your husband wasn't wearing a. Kilt no, no, no, my husband 929 00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,320 isn't. And yeah, it was it's funny. 930 00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:20,480 My my husband was joking. He was like, even if the wedding 931 00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:24,520 is in is in England, more of your guests from from abroad 932 00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:27,320 have come to this wedding and I was like, it's a destination 933 00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,000 wedding for them. But no, it was really nice. 934 00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,680 We had friends from all across the world who had come. 935 00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:34,400 But you've got to talk me through the outfits. 936 00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,400 So there was this, well, 4 outfits. 937 00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:41,040 One outfit was this green and pink lehenga. 938 00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,320 So it's like a skirt and yeah, and, and and it's a skirt and 939 00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,640 like a top. And it was by this designer 940 00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:50,240 called a nursery Ready. And funny enough, because I have 941 00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:53,360 my outfits listed on the by rotation app, my wedding outfits 942 00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:58,360 that an outfit gets rented all the time, even as a wedding 943 00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:01,760 guest you could wear to someone else's and it's made all its 944 00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,880 money back. It's just it's actually once an 945 00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:09,240 upstage a bride and the renter was like, yeah, it was it was a 946 00:53:09,240 --> 00:53:11,000 lot. And I was like, I told you, it's 947 00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:14,040 it's, I wore it as one of my outfits as a bride. 948 00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:19,840 And then I wore for the sangeet, which is musical performances 949 00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:21,560 night. It's officially when it's a 950 00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:23,800 night when you're meant to officially get engaged. 951 00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:27,280 So the day before you get married, I wore this. 952 00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,200 Gaurav Gupta, I don't know if you've heard of this. 953 00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:33,320 He recently dressed Beyoncé, I think for her cowboy tour. 954 00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:38,240 I wore like this. It was the celestial ball 955 00:53:38,240 --> 00:53:42,120 because my husband loves space and I really care about 956 00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:45,960 astrology since I'm Hindu. So we had a celestial ball and 957 00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:50,640 his, his work is very, you know, ethereal and structural. 958 00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:54,560 So I wore this white ruffle gown, which was also like paying 959 00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:58,520 tribute to the fact that Western brides wear white. 960 00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:04,960 And then I wore a yellow, I don't know how you say this. 961 00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:11,640 It's kind of like foil work silver foil on yellow and and 962 00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:16,200 Marigold for my holy ceremony, which means turmeric ceremony. 963 00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:19,840 It's kind of like a before you get married, you get you get 964 00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:24,000 cleansed sort of ceremony. And then the final ceremony was 965 00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:28,440 the fairy, which is when you walk around the fire 7 times and 966 00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:32,840 your father gives you away. And that was A and like it had 967 00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:37,040 like Peacocks on it and it was, it was teal and pink and I 968 00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:39,760 didn't wear red. Because I was going to say not 969 00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:42,320 red. I didn't because my husband is 970 00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:46,640 white and it wouldn't suit his skin tone and I wanted to just, 971 00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,880 you know, be a bit mindful to make sure he looks good in his 972 00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:50,440 outfit. Too. 973 00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:54,120 So did did you? Did you sort of twin in some way 974 00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:58,640 with your husband? Just the final one in terms of 975 00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:03,240 color, yes, well, I, I did have color dress code. 976 00:55:03,240 --> 00:55:06,520 I mean, if I look at my wedding website now, I I kind of 977 00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,680 realized that was maybe like a annoying bride who was very 978 00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:12,680 particular and all my friends now joke they're like, we wish 979 00:55:12,720 --> 00:55:16,400 by rotation existed to your wedding, all these themes. 980 00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:20,640 So there were colour dress codes, but I'd say our outfits 981 00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:24,240 perfectly matched for the wedding that the fairy ceremony, 982 00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,720 yeah. Beautiful, beautiful and you're 983 00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,840 and were you in a sorry for your wedding ceremony? 984 00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:35,680 Always a lehenga. It's just because I don't know 985 00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:41,920 how to tie a sari, but also I think like sari's maybe lehenga 986 00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:45,600 was kind of more youthful, yes, I think. 987 00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,480 Yeah, yeah. Coming to your wardrobe, is it 988 00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:52,480 phenomenally well organised? Well we just moved and bought a 989 00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:55,880 house and there is renovation work that needs to be done. 990 00:55:55,960 --> 00:56:00,320 So no, we're fighting for wardrobe space at the moment. 991 00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:01,560 My husband and. I right. 992 00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:04,760 Would you say you've had a worst fashion moment? 993 00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:09,280 I mean, it's, it's comical. It's not worst. 994 00:56:09,720 --> 00:56:11,920 I've definitely, as I've said, I've, I've definitely dressed 995 00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,880 questionably in my younger years, especially when I was 996 00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:17,520 first here in the university trying to figure out how to 997 00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:21,600 dress for winter. But I think one more recent in 998 00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:26,440 in my job now as by rotation founder and CEO, I went to the 999 00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:30,560 Glamour Women of the Year awards ceremony because I was part of 1000 00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:34,640 their campaign with Samsung. And I was wearing this pink 1001 00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:40,720 shell Jacques Muse mermaid gown, long tail, like a long fishtail. 1002 00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:44,120 And then I spoke to one of my friends in the industry and he's 1003 00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,960 like, hey, you know, you're wearing the same dress as Rita 1004 00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:48,240 Ora. I'm like, what? 1005 00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:50,800 And he's like, yeah, she's wearing it in black. 1006 00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:54,160 And I'm like, I have to see this. 1007 00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:58,960 And I went out to her and I was like, hey, I heard that we're 1008 00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:00,520 wearing this. Oh, we are wearing the same 1009 00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:02,880 dress. And she's like, oh, and I was 1010 00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:05,560 like, how cool. It's like Angel and devil, you 1011 00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:08,120 know, like. And she's like, yeah. 1012 00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:12,720 And then she went to change. So I'm sorry. 1013 00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:15,360 It's not my fault. I love it. 1014 00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:19,760 Now I'm going to spin on some quick fire questions, fashion 1015 00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:21,920 advice you'd give your 20 year old self. 1016 00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:29,520 Stop buying trends. Which fashion trend or era would 1017 00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:31,520 you most like to see make a comeback? 1018 00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:35,360 Oh, I think it's going to be, you know, Mary Kay and Ashley 1019 00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:40,560 Olsen out and about with their Starbucks cups, Starbucks cups 1020 00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:44,640 and their hippie outfits and Balenciaga's. 1021 00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:47,840 I just love my Balenciaga city. The 2000s. 1022 00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:52,560 Which fashion or beauty trend would you consign to Room 101? 1023 00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:55,560 I think beauty. Trend would be contouring, no, 1024 00:57:55,560 --> 00:58:00,600 just stop and then fashion. Trend would be, you know, 1025 00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:05,440 there's like any strange trainer that's trying to be fashionable. 1026 00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:07,960 I just, I don't really like trainers unless you're going to 1027 00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:10,760 the gym. Your views on tattoos. 1028 00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:18,360 I'm not into them personally, just more because I think a lot 1029 00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:21,720 of people seem to regret them. But if you you fully don't 1030 00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:25,440 regret it then that's awesome. Beauty treatment you couldn't 1031 00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:29,440 give up. Probably be a serum after face 1032 00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:32,120 wash. High end or High Street? 1033 00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:34,080 High end. Rental. 1034 00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:39,000 Good bling O bear. More recently, Bear. 1035 00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:44,160 Minimalism or maximalism? I think more recently 1036 00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:46,880 minimalism. Couture or charity shop? 1037 00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:51,520 Charity shops don't have a lot of stuff for me in my size and I 1038 00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:54,720 shouldn't take them either. They should go to people who may 1039 00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:57,920 need them more. So I think it would be couture. 1040 00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:01,120 Poor you. Good one. 1041 00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:06,360 That was a good one. Crocs cute or puke, No sneakers 1042 00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:08,080 or stilettos. Stilettos. 1043 00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:10,360 That's why you're late for a meeting. 1044 00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:15,160 Bags or shoes? Bags, shoes, shoes. 1045 00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:18,160 Sorry, not trainers though. What kind of heels? 1046 00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:19,000 Heels. Heels. 1047 00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:21,760 Skinnies, boyfriends or wide legs? 1048 00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:25,000 I'm going to go with a wide leg but they have to be high 1049 00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,480 waisted. Body corn or boho? 1050 00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:29,640 Boho lately. Can't. 1051 00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:32,640 Can't do that anymore. Sports Lux or Brock Chick? 1052 00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:35,960 Sports Lux. Red carpet or relax? 1053 00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:40,440 Relaxed. Trend or style? 1054 00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:43,280 Style. Forever colour or monochrome? 1055 00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:44,840 Colour. I do like colour. 1056 00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:48,200 Experimental or uniform? Experimental. 1057 00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:53,720 Cashmere or cotton? Depends on the season. 1058 00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:57,040 Beanie or Berry? Neither. 1059 00:59:57,960 --> 00:59:59,920 Oh my. God, order or editor? 1060 01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:03,920 I think editor. Shapewear or sexy lingerie? 1061 01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:07,400 Sexy lingerie, tights, stockings or hold UPS? 1062 01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:10,960 Hold outs? Bikini or one piece bikini? 1063 01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:14,800 And finally, traditional last question at the end of the day, 1064 01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:16,520 what do you or don't you wear in bed? 1065 01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:24,160 That's a personal question. I take it you're not going to 1066 01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:24,880 answer that. No. 1067 01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:28,920 And she did. Thank you so much. 1068 01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:32,680 Thank you, Amanda. Lovely, lovely conversation. 1069 01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:33,680 Really good fun.