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Today I'm going on a style journey with the world renowned
self development coach, inspirational speaker,
manifesting expert and three times Sunday Times bestselling
author Roxy Nafusi. Hello and welcome.
Roxy, thank you so much for having me.
It's. Lovely to have you here.
It really is. Now you're the author of three
books on manifesting, selling over 1,000,000 copies worldwide,
and you've got your 4th book releasing in March.
Confidence. 8 Steps to knowing your worth.
Now I love the sound of that and I'd love to understand sort of
what's behind it. What was the inspiration behind
this book? Oh, oh, this is fun.
This is the first time I've spoken about it.
Really great. Yeah.
So, you know, I think from my own personal journey, I have
never experienced what it's like to be confident.
I mean, I had severe self loathing since my earliest
years. And I remember from as young as
seven looking in the mirror and thinking I am ugly, like I am
horrible and always felt like I was an outsider.
I was different and really lacked any self worth.
And that kind of took me into years of toxic relationships,
drug addiction, you know, anything I could do to try and
find some value or validation or, or just to feel like I liked
myself even for a second. And it was only when I
discovered manifestation in 2018 that I think things began to
change for me because I realized that manifesting was all about
self worth and I had none. So I sort of began, sort of
began this journey of self development, healing, of course,
manifestation using my 7th step guide to manifesting.
And the greatest gift that manifesting I think gave me was
this renewed sense of confidence.
And it became, I realized that sort of manifesting in
confidence are like really deeply intertwined because the
more confident you are, the more powerful you manifest.
And the more that you go on a manifestation journey, the more
you're inadvertently going on a confidence journey as well.
And I would say that in the last sort of year or two years, the
confidence I have is so for me, mind blowing.
You know, I never thought it would be possible to walk in.
So I, so I say that confidence to me is walking into a room and
walking out of it, not worrying what everyone else thought of
you. It's like being able to be
unapologetically yourself and be OK with who you are, like
wholeheartedly, imperfections and all.
And to have reached that place myself, I know how profoundly
life changing it is. You know, that feeds into every
area of my life, whether it's at work and being able to stand up
for myself or take risks or in my relationships or when dating
or no matter what area of my life it is.
Confidence has empowered me to live better and feel better.
And so I realized that actually there was a formula so that as
well I wanted to bring it to the world because I want everyone to
experience this and know that most people suffer with low self
worth and low confidence. I, I think everyone have has
those wobbly moments of not feeling worthy or not feeling
confident and I, and I'm so glad that you're bringing your voice
and your knowledge to that because you're a very, very
skilled communicator. And where, Thank you.
Where did that come from? That's very kind.
I don't know. I don't know.
I think I've always loved giving people advice and I think even
as a child I was older than my years.
And I think that she did me a disservice as a child because
that's probably part of why I struggled to fit in.
Maybe. But yeah, I think writing,
speaking, it's just where I'm in flow state and I feel most
connected to my purpose. So I don't know.
Because it takes a hell of a lot of confidence to get up in front
of hundreds of people. I mean, how?
What's the biggest audience you've ever 2?
Thousand. Yeah.
Whoa, Roxy. Yeah.
I love it. I come alive.
It's a hell of a lot of confidence to do that.
How, where, where did that confidence come from?
Because you're saying on one hand, you struggled with your,
you know, self esteem and then you're getting up on stage in
front of 200, sorry, 2000 sets of eyes.
That's a lot of a lot of chutzpah.
Yeah. Do you know, it's a few things.
I think one thing is I think that we underestimate how
important it is to find something that we feel drives us
and makes us feel like we're of value and that we have something
to offer the world around us. And for me, that was inspiring
people with my message and it didn't.
I think what gate, what the reason I was able to do it so
confidently is because in the way that I present myself on
stage, I allow myself to be imperfect.
So for example, like I just did a show Alexandra Palace, the mic
stopped working. I got an itchy nose halfway
through. I fucked up my lines once or
twice and I completely owned those moments.
To me, I just made a joke of it. I laughed at it and carried on.
And I realized that being able to be imperfect and not get it
right, it doesn't matter. Like the audience don't care.
They're not looking at every single thing that you do and
wondering, you know, if you don't say one word right or you
forget what you're saying, that they're going to judge you.
And giving, giving myself that permission to be vulnerable, I
think allowed me to show up more confidently on stage.
But also, a lot of my work is about stepping outside your
comfort zone, doing hard things, challenging yourself, showing
yourself that you can do the things that you might not have
thought you could do. And there's so much confidence
to be built through doing that. So yeah, I think honestly, it's
a common, it's lots of things, but I think it's mostly I follow
the advice that I share with people and and that does help me
and I, I mean, I love talking on stage.
Well, you're, you're brilliant at it and you do it with such
presence and such grace. Did you did you have any lessons
in presenting? No, I've never had any training
like that, but a lot of practice.
And like, if you compare how I am now to how I was at the
beginning, I mean, I'm worlds better.
Like I wouldn't say when I started I was really good, but I
was really passionate and I really wanted to improve and I
was really willing to keep trying, even though it wasn't
necessarily I wasn't the best at the beginning.
I'm not saying I'm the best now, but I'm a hell of a lot better,
you know? So I think, yeah, it's like I
said earlier, about having a willingness to be imperfect.
It's also, and I talk about this in my new book, it's about
having an openness to know that you're not the best at something
but be willing to try anyway. And it's it's a lot how kids
are. You know, kids know they're not
maybe the best at riding a bike when they first start.
They know they're going to fail a few times and know they're not
going to get it right. But they keep trying anyway
until they master it. And I think it's bringing that
back to us. I mean, you're on a new chapter
2 in that you've launched a a podcast Rise with Roxy.
What inspired that? Well, you know, I'm kind of part
of my own journey of growth is that I'm constantly trying to
learn from other people and really like, I never stopped
learning And I, I love immersing myself in self development and
people's stories and their journeys and you know, the
things that have helped them transform their world and
inspire people around them. So I've always had I, I am
genuinely interested in that And, and I felt that a podcast
was something that my audience had sort of asked for, but I
thought, to be honest, I thought it's saturated.
They don't need another podcast. I'm not going to what if I'm no
good? I kind of all the fears that I
had about having a podcast took over.
And then I thought about what I would tell everyone else to do,
which is, well, if you're, if you're, if fear is the only
thing that's stopping you, then you absolutely have to do it.
So I was like, fuck it, I'll do it.
And the first few episodes and again I, I talk about the story
in my that for the first few episodes I was as rubbish as I
thought I'd be. You know, I was so nervous, I
was awkward, my voice didn't sound natural.
I was really on edge because I, the first few people I
interviewed were like my heroes and self development like Jay
Shetty and Tara Swarton, Marissa Pierre and you know, I love
those people and I look up to them so much.
So I was nervous and I wasn't that great, you know?
Oh, no, no, no, no, I'm not going to take that because I
listened to the Jay Shetty 1 and you were great.
So thank you. You need to rise above that.
No, but you know, I think even though it wasn't and how I would
have viewed it as being good enough, let's say, it was still
a really impactful conversation and it still was worth sharing
with the world. And if I had let my fear, you
know, stop me, then I wouldn't have been able to share Jay's
wisdom or Tara's wisdom. So yeah, again.
And another example of where you can feel fear, you can feel
self-conscious, you can feel worried, but just do it anyway
and see what happened. And you do grow.
That is my favorite, favorite sort of mantra is, you know,
feel the fear and just do it anyhow because that's how we
grow. Absolutely.
Now talking about grow and growing up, you grew up in
Oxfordshire but you were born in Saudi Arabia.
Was that a huge culture shock coming over here?
I was only six months when I came over, but we left in quite
sudden circumstances, and my mom was in a very deep depression.
Her mom had just passed away. She didn't really know any
English, had four kids. My dad got a job in Oxford.
Yeah, it was definitely like, not a great time for our family.
And I'm Iraqi. Both my parents are Iraqi and
definitely, you know, I think from a very young age, I mean,
as you start, I see it with Wolf now, you know, he's at 5 S at
that age, you start to notice the differences in you, right,
And how you compare, you start to compare yourself to other
kids. So, you know, I started noticing
that we ate different food, for example, that we didn't
celebrate Christmas. Like culturally things are very
different at home to how my friends were living.
All the people in my school were living.
So what happened was I started becoming very rejected from the
people who were in my class, especially when the Iraqi war
broke out and Iraqis were sort of deemed, you know, the devil
on an Islamophobia was so rife. So there was kind of this
rejection from my peers. But then I was rejecting my home
life because I felt so embarrassed about it.
So I really felt like I didn't belong anywhere.
And it was definitely, you know, I changed my name from Rowan to
Roxy when I moved schools. I I read that, Yeah.
How? How did Roxy come about?
I just wanted to not seem so Arabic.
I was moving schools because I had been so, so badly bullied
and I was like, how can I make myself not seem Arabic because I
was so ashamed and I was like, it could have been rocky.
It was a close. Call, I'm really glad I went
with Roxy, but you know, when I look back, that really was where
I began this like rejection of myself.
And I think that shame is such an again, I do talk about it in
the new book, but I think a lot of us can carry shame around
certain parts of ourselves. And that shame really is a is
such a block to us being able to actually live as authentically
and confidently as we can. So it's about really owning all
the different parts of you. And it was only when I got older
that I really began to actually embrace my culture, love it,
feel proud of it, and start to heal that part of myself.
Because that shame can manifest itself, sorry, pardon pen, but
in, in all sorts of different ways, whether it's body image or
the color of our skin or, you know, the color of our hair or
whatever it is. And, and it can be, it can be
very invasive, can't it? Yeah.
Yeah, it's a horrible feeling. I think people don't talk about
it enough and it's really it. It could be about sexuality, it
can be where we're from, it can be our upbringing, but I think
as long as we're hiding a part of ourselves, we're never going
to be able to flourish. Yeah, no, I I think very, very
true. Today we're going on a style
journey together, So can you just tell me about what you're
wearing? Oh, yes, I can.
I actually, Oh, oh fuck. I don't know where anything's
from. I'm wearing something which I
think is so edgy and I don't know if I'm pulling it off or
we're trying. We're going.
To pulling it off. Wearing a skirt and trouser look
from Capernai and then my jumper is from Shoe Tong, I think.
Is that right? I've got them.
Do you know my? We haven't even taken the label
out. Shoe Tong.
OK, can I just say my worst habit?
Bear in mind I'm like a hyper efficient, very organized
person. I always forget to take my
labels out and Claudia on my team is like, for fuck sake, you
have your labels in again and it's not by the way, because I'm
planning on returning them. I just forget and it's the one.
It's like my bad habit. I just.
So when do the labels eventually come out?
When either they fall it out or somebody like Claudia has forced
me, she'll be mortified. I love it.
And then you had a fabulous, really oversized coating.
Yeah, it's a wardrobe NYC from it was the net Porter sale.
It was down like 70%. So you're a savvy shopper, so
were you very aware of your mother's style as you were
growing up? Oh God, no, no, you know,
actually I've I think I've raised speaking on this, but my
mom wore black until I was 16 because I think she was still a
morning. She was a very unhappy person
and had a lot of, you know, I don't want to be too
disrespectful because she's still alive and I love her so
much. But she she just wore black.
She gained so much weight. She wore a headscarf, but she
wore like a bandana wrapped around before she moved to
wearing more of a traditional headscarf.
And I remember actually always feeling and sadly quite
embarrassed of my mom growing up, I think because she would
wear her headscarf and someone had like teased, teased her when
I was at school about it. And, you know, and a lot of my
friends had these quite glamorous moms, and they might
borrow their mom's clothes. But if I can stop you right
there, all of those people that had those Uber glamorous moms,
they were all ashamed at the time at the school gate.
I can. Absolutely every single guest
virtually I've had on this podcast has said in retrospect,
I realized how glamorous my mother was at the time.
She made me cringe. That's so funny.
No, Yeah. So I definitely didn't get any.
Style. Tips from her or anyone in my
family for that matter. I was going to say, was your
father very. Oh my God, no.
God bless him. Like the most simple, humble
man. Would never like if I'd asked
him. Like Dad, you know what, like
Hugo bosses, he'd be like, who's he?
You know, like he wore, he would go to like the school uniform,
charity sales and buy clothes from there.
Even though he was an incredibly successful businessman, he just
liked the simple life. And yeah, he never he will
quite. He was probably the most
unfashionable person I've ever met in my life.
Did you wear a school uniform? Yeah, yeah, I did.
But you know, especially when you're like 13, you know, it was
rolling up. I.
Was going to say, did you any rebellious moment?
Oh yeah, always as short and short and short as you can.
I really was desperate for men's attention at school.
Sort of short skirts. There was that whole phase of,
you know, when you have your lace French knickers hanging out
your tracksuit bottoms. I'm a slightly different
generation to you. Was we really went for it?
Yeah. I mean, I went through that many
different phases growing up in terms of style.
And when do you think you really discovered your passion for
fashion? I think, you know, fashion has
always been a sort of like mask. I think because I think
especially growing up, it's very much, it can be a bit of a
status thing. You want to feel cool, you know,
whether when I was 12 and I wanted to buy skater jeans from
Rhodes, do you know what I mean? Or Vans, you know, I think there
was that. And so I was probably liked
fashion for the wrong reasons for a lot for a long time, but
it's probably only again in the last year or two that I found
what suits me and felt started to actually take more care in my
wardrobes and my outfit. So a big part I think of like,
let's say, manifesting your higher self or stepping into
your most empowered self. I think such a big part of this
is about the way that you dress. And again, so I keep referring
to the book, but in step AI talk about dressing the part as part
of this way that you can show up as your future self.
And alongside that big part of the manifestation journey is
letting go. So it's letting go of all things
that don't serve you. So whether it's bad habits,
behaviors, people, but I think also the kind of clothes that
don't represent who you are anymore or who you want to
become. So big thing that I did like a
year and a half ago, but now I do it all the time, is I would
do mass wardrobe clear outs and I would really kind of with each
piece, I would ask myself, would my future self really wear this?
Like think about the person I want to become.
Are they stepping out of the house wearing this?
And so that was really big for me.
So I started doing that, but I'm still evolving and still pushing
myself further and further because I've had a habit
recently of wearing my Ugg slippers every fucking day and
I've got to stop. Now, during those wardrobe clear
outs or edits, did you do those on your own or did you have
someone there to bounce off or a stylist or?
No, on my own. I mean, I love it.
I think they're so satisfying. And then I have bags for
charity, bags for vintage and I'm ruthless.
When you pull together a a look that you feel your future self
in, your best self in, do you? Do you?
Then photograph it. Or do you just remember?
It no, I just remember what I've got because I also think I'm not
a pre planner when it comes to Lux.
So are you a mood dresser? Yeah, I think it's absolutely
sort of how am I feeling today? What am I going to wear?
I never like every time I have my glam down for of an event, a
talk, whatever. My sister's down to him always
like, what are you wearing today?
And I'm like, as usual, no idea. I'll figure out after I've had
my glam down and then I see how I feel.
Now then, let's talk about why have you been living in your Ugg
slippers? Because there must be a
connection. There what it is I feel that
because for so much of my job, I'm like on, you know, like on
stage or on camera or on when I'm not, I just love to be as
comfy and cozy as possible. And I think coziness and comfort
is is really one of my like. Top priorities.
So what is cocooning at home? Chill out Roxy wearing apart
from the Ugg slippers. Apart from the Ugg slippers, my
cashmere socks everyday, a really nice warm, cosy
tracksuit. I got one recently from Madeline
Thompson Thompson, which was gorgeous.
Yeah, that's it. Just comfort.
And it is texture very important as part of that.
I yeah, anything soft, soft and cozy.
And thing is, Wolf is the same as me.
He loves soft cozy things. So as well, if I'm wearing
something soft, he cannot stop cuddling me.
Oh, I love that. Did you remember your very
earliest sort of clothing memory when you put something on and it
just transformed how you felt? Yeah, I think it was these
missed 60 jeans. They were great, weren't they?
They were so good. I think I was about 12 and my
friend had them. And so I finally went and got
them and I just, they were quite skinny and and they were low
waisted, but they were quite skinny jeans.
And I'd been wearing skater jeans up until that point.
And I remember thinking, oh, I feel quite good in these.
Yeah. Yeah.
And how old were you at the time?
About 12, did you say? Yeah.
Fascinating. Fascinating.
But well for your son. He's he's aware of texture.
Yeah, he loves clothes, he loves fashion.
He loves choosing my outfit. Tells me off if I he keeps
telling me off wearing the slippers.
Do you listen to his opinion on if you're trying on?
Is he in your wardrobe with you trying on or in your bedroom?
Yeah. He'll be in my wardrobe like,
bless him. He's so cute.
He he loves it. He'll tell me if I shouldn't
wear jeans too much. He's like, really honestly even
like Wade was getting ready the other day and he was like,
Daddy, you need a belt with that.
And I was like, you're actually right.
A belt would really complete that outfit.
You know he loves it. If you were unsure of an outfit,
yeah. Who do you?
Whose opinion do you most trust? Oh good.
Question. I will always send it to Wade,
although he sometimes can be a real fashion bitch.
In what way too critical. I had this we me send me this
like amazing outfit to wear for Paris Fashion Week and I loved
it. And he was like, well, you just
look like you're in a fucking nappy.
And I was like, it's actually really cool.
Like he doesn't, you know, men, someones don't get it, don't get
the fashion moments, but I will. I do trust his advice.
Yeah. Because we first met at a party
that I hosted in my May 1st order.
I was wearing a leather dress, Yeah.
And it was one of my favourite, favorite outfits.
And I remember feeling so chic in it.
And I was so honoured that you dressed me and I I lived for
that outfit. Oh gorgeous.
You've talked quite openly about being a bit lost before you
discovered manifesting, so let's talk about how your style has
evolved during your manifesting journey.
Honestly, I am mortified by 99% of the outfits that I have worn
in the past. Honest.
Oh my God, no. Honestly, they were awful.
And I don't, I think I don't feel sad about it.
It's like I laugh at it, but I really didn't know how to dress
for myself. And I think that I think because
my priority was male attention, because I felt I had no self
worth, I didn't think that I would ever be successful in my
own right. I didn't think I would be good
enough to have a like good career.
I didn't feel I just didn't feel good enough full stop.
So I felt as I was only as worthy as the man I was with.
And so for me, attracting men was a real priority.
And it's couldn't be farther from the truth now, but it was
then. And so I think in that really
impacted my dressing and I probably dressed, I just think I
dressed in a way that was not chic.
It wasn't demure, it wasn't it wasn't cool.
I think it was a bit tacky and but I think that was so
reflective of where I was in my life.
And so I think that my, the style growth has been really
about aligning myself with who I am now and representing me in a
different way. But I still like to dress
feminine and you know, because because I work a lot, I don't
get many opportunities to feel like sexy or feminine or do you
know? So actually when I have an
opportunity to, I love it because actually it's only
through wearing like a really amazing dress or outfit, I can
express that side of myself. I mean, you, you talk about your
mother was a very demure dresser.
Do you ever, you know, does that ever come into your thinking now
in, in terms of your wardrobe choices?
In the fact you meet she was more covered up.
Yeah. No, no, probably not.
No, but I don't, I never try to. I think it's just a different
perspective on dressing now maybe, but I don't mind.
Like, I love a naked dress and but I think there's a way that
you can do it that makes it still feel like you're in your
power. Like it's dressing for me to
feel sexy rather than, you know, having, you know, then for
somebody else to find me sexy, if that makes sense.
You obviously the title of your next book is confidence, and you
do seem incredibly confident now, especially when I compare
you to the Roxy that I met during London Fashion Week many
years ago. But I think we all have those
less confident days. And what do you find yourself
reaching for when you want to feel empowered?
What empowers you clothing wise? Good question.
A good shoulder pad, you know, I really like that kind of like
structured shoulder pad with something high waisted and a
nice powerful jacket. You know, I love a good
overcoat, something I can always just like, not hide underneath.
But yeah, it just feels feels good.
Yeah. Yeah.
And. Where are you at on yourself
Love journey would you say? I mean, it's just incomparable
to where it was. And I do feel really confident
in who I am. Like I, I have so much more
respect for myself. I feel really proud of myself
and I feel like I'm of value to the world and that's a really
beautiful feeling. And it's not to say that I don't
have days where self doubt creeps in, of course I do.
But they don't overwhelm me in the way they used to.
And I think that's the difference.
I think before if I had a day where I was feeling
self-conscious or I was worried that people didn't like me or
whatever it was, I think it would oh, just destroying my
whole day or week. And I would ruinate on those
thoughts for a long time and it would, it would have a real
impact on my day-to-day. Whereas now if those thoughts
come in, I can, I'm actually so much more aware of them
objectively. I can look at them and go, OK,
well, is that true? I can question them and then
move up forward and feel better, you know, if my comeback is much
quicker, essentially. Now I know you're very conscious
about which side you're filmed on, me sitting in your seat and
you sitting in my seat, but that is obviously something you're
very aware. Of.
And you just, you just know your boundaries with it.
Yeah, I think it's that I do these kind of interviews quite
often. I'm on camera a fair bit more
than I'd probably like to be because it's not my favorite
thing to be on camera. I'm much prefer being behind the
camera for like I love my day job, whereas like this stuff I
still really enjoy because I love getting my message out.
But being on camera isn't my favorite thing.
And I also know that I prefer this side of my face.
And so when I see the content back, I'll probably feel better
than I would on the other side. And so I just think, why not put
things in position that will make me feel as good as I can,
not make me feel so nervous and anxious about it.
Because I think if I sat on the other side, I'd be thinking, Oh
my God, absolutely disgusting. And it doesn't matter if that's
true or not. I just know that it's more
likely to spike my anxiety or nerves.
And so why can't I just put some boundaries in place that, for
example, I won't ever be on camera the week before my
period. That's another thing I won't do
because I know that we performed you on, I will be really puffy.
My insecurities will be louder just because of my hormonal
changes. I won't feel as good And so I
won't enjoy it as much. So I don't do that.
And it is just these little things that you can do to help
you feel better and, and be aware that you know, those those
kind of doubtful thoughts or moments of insecurity, then
you're not going to get rid of them all together.
I mean especially I've lived so much of my life where they're so
ingrained, minded me that moments of stress or tiredness,
they will creep back. But what can I do to make myself
put myself in the best position possible?
Yeah, I mean talking about image, where are you at on body
image? I'm good.
I've actually never I haven't had any.
I don't have like any issues with my body.
I've, I think for year, you know, when I was dieting, yo-yo
dieting in my 20s, I had, I was obsessed with weighing myself
every day. Then I gained like 30 kilos when
I was pregnant and when I had a wolf, I went on very extreme
diet, like very extreme and then actually got to a point where I
was like, this is insane. Like I'm so exhausted by this.
And then completely relaxed and gained a couple of stone and
didn't care at all. I felt good.
But now I found a much more healthier place with food.
I don't think about it. I don't.
I'm not really restrictive and I don't remember the last time I
looked at my body in the mirror. I simply don't care.
I I'm really so happy with my body and I don't pay any
attention to it. Oh, that, that's wonderful.
But are you, are you a keen Jimmer?
Do you you know? No, not really.
I mean, I I try to do exercise, but I do exercise that I enjoy.
So I do like light yoga, light Pilates, yen yoga, which is just
stretching and that's it. I'm not in that pumping weights
like no, and I'm not, you know, and I eat just things that I
like. I mean, I don't eat processed
food and I don't really refined sugar, but I'm not I'm not
particularly obsessive with with that.
I don't have time. I've chosen my work.
Yeah. But I mean, how do you go about
choosing your clothes for an important event?
For example, do you do you work with a stylist on that?
Sometimes. So for red carpets, definitely I
think it's, I think every event you want to represent like a
different version of yourself. And so I really think it's
important like no matter what you're doing, whether you're
going on a date, an interview, a meeting, you know, a talk,
whatever, you know, you have to dress the part for that
occasion. And I think people can sort of
forget the importance of it. So for example, my sister in
Dubai, she was going to go do a talk for a corporate and she
showed me this outfit, which and she's really expressive.
Like she wears like gigantic glasses that cover her whole
face. Like she's very flamboyant and
extra in the way that she dresses.
And I love that because she is just so unapologetic.
She's like, this is me. I love her.
I don't give a fuck if no one else likes it.
And I think that's great. But when it came to a corporate,
I was like, I actually don't think it's appropriate.
I think there's a line where you have to actually dress the
occasion because you do want people to take you seriously and
respect you. And so I think it's about
finding the line of like, what is appropriate for the situation
you're going into, but what also allows you to feel your best and
express yourself. And I think finding a balance in
each situation is really important.
Yeah, so you're, you're saying that you message through your
clothes? Really.
Yeah, yeah. So I saw a lovely video of you
on stage and you were wearing a white jumpsuit.
Yeah. Was it a jumpsuit?
Yeah, it was. So what were you trying to
message through what you were wearing then?
Yeah, so it's so interesting you bring this up because I wore
that for my live show, Alexandra Palace.
And my live shows Alexandra Palace are without doubt the
hardest thing for me to dress for.
Finding the right exact right look is so hard.
And that look came through at 6:00 PM on the Friday the day
before because three other outfits I'd ordered didn't
arrive. But it was perfect.
And it's because for those live shows, I don't want to wear
something that's too corporate because it's not me preaching to
anyone. It's not a corporate talk.
But I don't want to wear a dress because I'm not going on a night
out. And I don't want to wear
anything short because I'm on stage.
I want to look demure, but I also want to represent fun and
energy because the shows are fun.
There's like a lot of humor in them.
There's really good vibes. It's not just sit down and you
know, it's not just a deep conversation.
There is depth to it, but there's also moments of real
lightness. So that works.
That outfit actually ended up being perfect because I felt
demure. I felt chic, but I also felt
like it had that touch of like fun and glamour, which is
exactly what I wanted to portray.
And how do you how do you go about sort of had you just
shopped and shopped, you know, to find that one or had you used
a stylist to call in some different?
That one now I just looked online so a lot.
Of pressure in that. Yeah, don't.
It was actually very stressful. It was very stressful.
When do you feel that you really discovered your personal style
DNAI? Think I'm still discovering it.
Yeah, I've actually just I met with a stylist last week who she
actually styled this look just for some like more day-to-day
look so that I'm not going to my meetings and my Uggs and it's
definitely pushing me out my comfort zone a bit like the
skirt trouser look. But it is good.
I'm still trying to find. I'm still trying to like now I
want to level up a bit more into that more kind of everyday, um,
classic look. Plus I kind of dressed depending
on my book colors. So you'll see like when Manifest
was out, I had this like the iconic orange Prada shoes that I
wore everywhere. Honestly the cost per wear was
incredible for that because I wore them to everything for like
3 years and now I'm going into my black and white era, you
know, for confidence. So that's really fun at Chrome.
Yeah, which I love. And you know, fashion was part
of the inspiration behind the colour of the next book because
there's a few reasons why I I designed this cover.
The 1st is that confidence is quite small in it.
And for me it's because confidence doesn't shout, you
know, it's a it's, that's why it's all lower case, because
confidence is a feeling. It's not.
Yeah, it's not about being the loudest in the room.
It's just about knowing your worth, and I chose black because
who doesn't feel the most confident in black?
You know, it's such a bold color, and I think it is when we
feel our best. Interesting.
Do you have a style icon? I have quite a few.
I love Rosie Hunter, Tom Whiteley.
I think she's just effortless chic cool.
I love. I would say actually the the
icon is probably more the stylist is Danny Michelle, who
thinks that all the way she dresses, you know, Hailey
Bieber, Kendall Jenner, that like quiet luxury I love.
And Elsa Hosk is like my number one.
I think every single outfit she wears is unbelievable.
I'd love her whole wardrobe. If someone were to describe your
current style DNA because I get the feeling you're on a style
journey, but your current style DNA in three words, what would
you want those 3 words to be? I would want them to be.
Chic, classic, cool. I buy that and we know that your
style has changed through the DI, but would you who
fundamentally would you say you dress for?
I mean, I think I dress for me, you know, I want to feel good
and cool and I want to feel empowered.
And yeah, let's say I dress for me.
Is being stylish important to you?
Yeah, I think so. But it's weird because at the
same time, I'm really, I have, I'm so comfortable not being
stylish as well. Like I don't care about walking
around. Like, you know, some people
don't want to walk out, you know, without makeup on or in
their worst clothes in case they bump into someone at the
supermarket. Like I actually don't care.
I'm, I'm really comfortable not being stylish, which I know I
shouldn't say on the South podcast, but I am.
But I am comfortable not giving a shit.
But I also love when I do. And so I like having the balance
because it's almost like I get to express different parts of
myself. What's date night proxy wearing
or bring it on. I can't wait for the next date
night. Probably like maybe like a lace
body and leather trousers. Yeah, something like that.
A nice black trouser, sexy top, nice heels.
Yeah. Can we talk about hair, makeup
and manicures for a moment? All of those important, clearly.
Yes, definitely. I really struggle with my hair
day-to-day. I've such thick curly hair and
poor, you know, it's very frizzy.
It's like hard to maintain. So if I just straighten it
myself it's not great. But actually to be fair, I have
a great glam team now who I just can't live without.
And manicures. I always get so bio sculpture
but the most amazing, like the most amazing gel, it's not bi AB
or acrylic or anything it's just a gel but it's so strong.
It's the only time my nails don't break that I can go 3
weeks and they won't break and as soon as I go and just do a
normal gel my nails will break. So, but coming back to the glam
team, how often are the glam squad around it show Roxy?
Pretty much every time I do a talk or event.
Oh yeah, quite a lot. Not day-to-day, not quite for a
date night, but everything else, everything I'm on camera and I
think, you know, I do, I think people forget like, you know, my
sister will say, Oh my God, so and so on Instagram.
It's amazing. And I'm like, you've like we
have two hours of glam. Like hair stylist, makeup
artist, stylist, like a lot of work goes into like looking good
for one picture. And I think it's unrealistic.
I like I only say that because I hate the idea of people
comparing themselves to somebody who's had spent.
Lots of money and time on glam. It's not achievable day-to-day.
I did not look like that if I do my own hair and makeup like at
all. But I can still feel cool in an
outfit. But.
Yeah, tweakment. Where are you at on tweakment?
Oh my God I love Botox. I love Botox.
For me Botox like reshapes my face.
So I do it to straighten out my eyebrows because I get this like
this goes, my arch goes up, which I don't like.
So I do love Botox. I get Botox in my chin because
it makes it softer rather than being so pointy, which is like a
real like little hack and that's it.
I don't like filler in the face. I'm not a fan.
I've tried it a couple of years ago and I looked not good so I'm
not a fan of filler. But yeah, I do love Botox and
laser treatments and skin treatments.
But a self love. Yeah, yeah.
Let's talk about travel for a moment.
Do you have a go to travel look? Oh, it always in travel days,
you know, just tracksuit bottoms.
That's it. Yeah, yeah.
Comfy as possible when traveling.
You good Packer or bad Packer? I probably I over pack but I'm
getting much better because I know that inevitably I'll repeat
one outfit five times. Favorite luggage?
I'm using antler at the moment. They're great, nice and light
but sturdy. So let's talk about wardrobe
secrets for a moment. Which brand is your guilty
secret, would you say? Guilty secret.
Well recently I've just discovered Drees Van Outen and
Oh my God, how embarrassing is this?
Do you know For ages I thought was Denise Van Outen's brand and
I was like how funny. Would not have expected to have
a fashion brand. Money.
No object brand. I like to buy.
I'll buy myself like 1 like hero piece.
And. I don't.
I'm not reckless with money in that way.
And. So it's always money, is always
an object. And and bags because.
Yeah, so I so I'll get one class.
So my latest 1 was like the Prada brown suede one, which I
wanted for ages. But I mean I sat on that for
like 6 months thinking about it. I'm not someone that can just
buy loads of designer things. And The thing is for me is like,
I like good quality things, but I'm really not bothered about
like brands or logos or I, I like something if I really I
like it, but I won't get something just because it's a
designer. I don't, I don't think I don't
use brands as a status symbol. I use it because I like the
quality of the product. Let's chat a little bit about
your approach to sustainable fashion.
Where are you at on thinking about where something's been
made or how it's been made or what it's been made of?
I think I still have loads of work to do on that.
To be honest, I'm probably not as clued up as I should be.
I mean, I try very hard to avoid.
I mean, I avoid fast fashion as much as I can.
I don't overbuy, you know? I'm really conscious of.
I don't like just filling my water.
I hate it. Just in general.
I don't like having too many things.
I prefer if I'm getting something I want to know that
I'm going to be re wearing it and I want to make sure that I'm
giving as much as I can to charity.
Invented. I don't like things sitting in
my wardrobe. I'm half I Also generally
speaking when it comes to all events, I'll always loan or ask
to borrow something from a brand so that I'm not buying things I
would only wear once. Do you have a rent?
I would, but I've been I always struggle to find.
Things. Yeah.
And so many people say that. What do you do with your clothes
when you've had enough of them? Charity or vintage?
Yeah. And does one of your team do
the? Vintage I I is my favorite side
hustle. I am there buying the envelope,
sellotape and packaging I spent. You and I need to talk.
Yeah, I was in Yodel for 4/4 times last Monday.
I sold 50 things over the weekend the other weekend, and I
did all of it within 24 hours. I fucking love it.
Oh, I genuinely get enjoyment out of it.
Do you then? Do you?
Let's give this a plug. Do you have a Roxy store on
vintage? I do, but honestly it goes in
minutes. It's wild.
You put something up and two minutes later it's sold.
Do you ever think maybe I've just sold that too cheaply?
Yeah, but I just, I'm not in it as a money making exercise.
I just want it to go to a good. House you want the circular
lovely, lovely. Do you have one particular item
in your wardrobe that means the most to you?
Just because maybe you wore it to a particular event or.
Yeah, probably the orange Prada shoes, just because I feel like
I wore them tonight. My test of ATV appearance for
Manifest, my first live show, like all the live shows.
And they were even on the inspiration board of Manifest
for the cover. And then I bought them after the
book. I've done well.
So that's yeah. Let's spin on some quick fire
questions. What fashion advice would you
give your 20 year old self? Cover up, girl.
Which fashion trend would you most like to see make a
comeback? Skirts over trousers because I'm
wearing them now. Fashion or beauty trend you
would consign to room 101 beaded necklaces Your last impulse buy?
Maybe this outfit I'm wearing today.
Your views on tattoos. Yeah, if you can do it, Rocket.
Yeah, beauty treatment. You couldn't give up Botox, high
end or High Street, bison bling or bear.
Bear. Summer or winter?
Winter. Minimalism or maximalism?
Minimalism. Couture or charity shop?
Couture. Crocs cute or puke?
Cute. Sneakers or stilettos?
Sneakers. Boyfriends or wide legs as in
jeans. Boyfriends body con or boho Body
con. Beanie or beret beanie.
Red carpet or relax. Red carpet Trend or style?
Style, colour or monochrome? Monochrome.
You have to say that because your next book.
Experimental or UU cashmere or cotton cashmere, Order or
editor, editor Shapewear or sexy lingerie, shapewear, tights or
stockings, tights, bikini or one piece bikini.
And finally, traditional last question At the end of the day,
what do you or don't you wear in bed?
Honestly the most giant granny pants you've ever seen and AT
shirt from Sainsbury's. That is total honesty.
I love it. Roxy, thank you so much.
I've really enjoyed you so reconnecting and having this
conversation with you. Thank you so much.
I've loved it, it's been fun.