1 00:00:06,900 --> 00:00:10,300 Today I'm going on a sartorial Journey with singer-songwriter 2 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:14,800 Mother author, podcaster and total or round Superstar. 3 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:18,400 So how lucky am I to be sitting here with the one and only 4 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:21,800 Sophie ellis-bextor. So excited to have you here. 5 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:23,200 Thank you for a lovely introduction. 6 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:27,800 Well, apparently, go can lover and eBay addict to the list, 7 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:31,300 goes on. So let's talk straight about 8 00:00:31,300 --> 00:00:34,200 clothes. What is your earliest sartorial 9 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:35,800 memory? When did, when did you first 10 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:40,400 realize the impact of clothes? I think, you know, maybe a lot 11 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:43,300 of people would think this book. The first, my first memory of 12 00:00:43,308 --> 00:00:46,800 clothing is not my own clothes. It's my mother's clothes and a 13 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:51,200 mixture of the clothes. She would wear so day-to-day. 14 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:53,600 And when I think of, in my head it's all snapshots of family 15 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:55,700 holidays. So this is an 80s. 16 00:00:55,700 --> 00:00:59,800 I was born in 1979 so it's her in like pastel colored. 17 00:01:00,500 --> 00:01:05,000 Cotton sundresses and of A line skirt with pockets and buttons 18 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:08,600 down the front and jumpsuits, all that kind of stuff, which I 19 00:01:08,607 --> 00:01:10,900 think I'm still searching for all the time, you know, and 20 00:01:10,900 --> 00:01:13,700 there's something in your memory, you're still seeking. 21 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:17,200 And then also her stage where because and I grew up, my mom 22 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:21,000 was doing theater and TV. So, there was a healthy amount 23 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:25,700 of costumes, knocking around including her wedding dress, 24 00:01:25,700 --> 00:01:28,500 that she got married to my dad and so they separated when I was 25 00:01:28,500 --> 00:01:30,400 four. And then she did A play where 26 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:34,200 she died the wedding dress purple, and so sequence on nice 27 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:35,700 to wear that at home, sometimes too. 28 00:01:36,100 --> 00:01:38,300 And I was small. And then think she'd where to go 29 00:01:38,300 --> 00:01:41,500 out at night, it's always what kind of exotic and exciting and 30 00:01:41,500 --> 00:01:43,300 lots of subtle metallic foil dresses. 31 00:01:43,300 --> 00:01:44,800 And this kind of thing again, stuff. 32 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:48,000 I'm still looking for now. And, and did you try it on? 33 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:49,700 Did you play dress up? Definitely. 34 00:01:49,700 --> 00:01:53,800 And with the shoes all of it. Yeah, I was fascinated by by the 35 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:56,900 Garb, and the makeup and the transformation. 36 00:01:56,900 --> 00:01:58,800 Yeah, absolutely. And I can still remember the 37 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:02,100 smell of things. Lip gloss or hairspray or 38 00:02:02,100 --> 00:02:04,400 perfume? Yeah, it's all there definitely 39 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:06,600 it's very evocative isn't it? Yeah. 40 00:02:06,900 --> 00:02:10,800 And you reckon you're still searching for the type of style 41 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:14,000 that she inspired you to wear. Yeah absolutely. 42 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:17,000 I think I've got a lot of my wardrobe where I'm still. 43 00:02:17,300 --> 00:02:21,400 Yeah, collecting things that evoke that memory for me and 44 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:23,000 fundamentally, who do you dress for? 45 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,200 Do you dress for yourself, do you dress for your husband, 46 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,800 other men, other women or actually indeed? 47 00:02:29,900 --> 00:02:34,300 Your audience, I dress for myself primarily, but I think if 48 00:02:34,300 --> 00:02:37,000 I'm, if I'm getting ready it's probably other women that I 49 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,800 think will notice the detail because a lot of my girlfriends 50 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:41,400 are excited about clothes like me. 51 00:02:42,700 --> 00:02:47,500 And I think it's my husband, that's really made me feel 52 00:02:47,500 --> 00:02:49,500 completely comfortable and choosing the things that 53 00:02:49,500 --> 00:02:51,300 actually make my heart saying, rather than second-guessing 54 00:02:51,300 --> 00:02:53,400 myself, he's, he's been pretty good at that. 55 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:57,400 I think and it kind of if I like it, hope you like yet that's 56 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:00,200 great, go for it. And I think that's really We'll 57 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:03,600 have someone in your corner like that, especially if you go on 58 00:03:03,608 --> 00:03:06,300 stage and you know, you want to be flamboyant, but you also want 59 00:03:06,300 --> 00:03:08,600 to be comfortable and feel good. So if someone goes, yeah, you 60 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:09,600 look great. That's wonderful. 61 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:12,400 Then it's brilliant for you. Otherwise, you get that kind of 62 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:15,100 voice in the back of your head saying, am I sure I want to wear 63 00:03:15,100 --> 00:03:17,400 this, I don't know. It's probably a ton of workers 64 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:20,600 are go out and sometimes I mean, I'm too much in your stage look 65 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:24,200 is really considered you to use a stylist, or a you. 66 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:28,500 Is it all you? So for my gigs, it's me 67 00:03:28,500 --> 00:03:30,500 actually. And I'm quite White Lotus 68 00:03:30,500 --> 00:03:32,500 menacing. I'm really unusual. 69 00:03:32,500 --> 00:03:33,600 Is it though? I don't know. 70 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:36,200 I mean, I really enjoy it. I've worked with a stylus. 71 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:37,700 I've got a lovely friend called Tamra. 72 00:03:37,700 --> 00:03:40,600 Who's worked with me on my last few videos and she's brilliant. 73 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:44,400 So if I need something that's a bit more pulled together and a 74 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:47,000 bit more considered than our work with her, and we've worked 75 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,200 together for quite a long time now, and I really liked her. 76 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:53,900 I so I trust her, but when it comes to my shows, I really 77 00:03:53,900 --> 00:03:56,500 enjoy it. And I'm also quite last minute. 78 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,800 I don't like a lot of fuss. I don't, I don't use hair and 79 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:01,800 Person when I'm getting ready for a show, I like to do it 80 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,900 myself and I think I need to have ownership of that 81 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:06,200 transformation on there quite often. 82 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:08,700 Don't know exactly what I'm going to go with, still quite 83 00:04:08,700 --> 00:04:10,900 close to the lines that might be in a couple of hours before and 84 00:04:10,900 --> 00:04:13,800 I suddenly decided okay, that's the one is it almost part of 85 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,700 your pre-show ritual very much so yeah. 86 00:04:16,700 --> 00:04:18,600 And I really enjoy it and same with the makeup. 87 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:20,300 I'll spread it all out. Nothing. 88 00:04:20,300 --> 00:04:22,300 Right, what color? I said, oh what lipstick and 89 00:04:22,300 --> 00:04:24,200 just communicate your own lashes on? 90 00:04:24,500 --> 00:04:25,900 Yes, I can. Oh, wow. 91 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:29,800 Well, lots of practice. And also it's the bit where 92 00:04:29,900 --> 00:04:31,800 Anyone's in the renison. Try can't speak to anyone 93 00:04:32,100 --> 00:04:34,100 sticking on the lashes, or doing what I learn. 94 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:39,500 I can speak of the side of that. I loved the latex suit that 95 00:04:39,500 --> 00:04:42,300 you're wearing the hypnotized video. 96 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:44,900 Well, tell me a bit about the story of that. 97 00:04:45,100 --> 00:04:47,600 So that was actually Tamara that introduced me to that stuff and 98 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:49,500 I'm going to get that. I might have to look it up to 99 00:04:49,500 --> 00:04:50,800 find out there to get the name. Right. 100 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:54,200 Exactly of the designer because honestly the shop she took me to 101 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,700 his absolutely beautiful. It's all these latex outfits 102 00:04:57,700 --> 00:04:59,800 that are Exquisite and just happen to be made out of rubber. 103 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:02,100 It is exquisite. That's it. 104 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:04,700 They really are good. Everything in the cutting in it 105 00:05:04,700 --> 00:05:09,400 just I mean I have to say my designers I went that is really 106 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:11,800 really beautiful also with latex it's a really. 107 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:14,900 I mean clothes can be so amazing anyway. 108 00:05:14,900 --> 00:05:17,600 But basically there's the director I work with is called 109 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:19,800 Sophie Miller and she's worked with me since the beginning on 110 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,900 my videos and she said, I finally that she had this idea 111 00:05:22,900 --> 00:05:26,000 of me being kind of like a dictator in think you're a real 112 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:27,100 girl woman. Yeah. 113 00:05:30,300 --> 00:05:33,800 Getting the dancers to sort of almost act out my emotions, 114 00:05:34,100 --> 00:05:36,700 whether they liked it or not. So I had to kind of be quite 115 00:05:36,900 --> 00:05:39,700 strict so that's why the head went towards. 116 00:05:39,700 --> 00:05:43,500 So of latex, kind of dominatrix side of things. 117 00:05:43,500 --> 00:05:46,300 And when Tamara took me to this place, I was like, wow, this is 118 00:05:46,300 --> 00:05:48,400 incredible. And I like to look up so I can 119 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:50,500 tell you exactly. Yeah, because I do is worth 120 00:05:50,500 --> 00:05:52,500 having a look. This stuff is really beautiful 121 00:05:52,900 --> 00:05:54,800 and also clever, everybody kept saying, oh you must be really 122 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:55,500 hot mustard. Hot? 123 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:57,500 Yeah, she wasn't. It was actually funny. 124 00:05:57,500 --> 00:06:00,400 How is it putting latex on? Wow. 125 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:02,400 There was another outfit that I tried. 126 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:08,300 That was it was trousers and that was like a three-man job 127 00:06:08,300 --> 00:06:10,900 and I thought I'm not doing that on the video shoot and I do you 128 00:06:10,907 --> 00:06:13,900 have to do the sort of baby powder and it didn't really Dawn 129 00:06:13,900 --> 00:06:16,700 but honestly for the skirt and the jacket and the bra just pop 130 00:06:16,700 --> 00:06:17,800 it on. Oh fine. 131 00:06:18,100 --> 00:06:22,900 No problem. - I'm going to look it up for you because honestly 132 00:06:22,900 --> 00:06:25,200 it's beautiful. The stuff was absolutely 133 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,900 beautiful. And do they do everything from 134 00:06:27,900 --> 00:06:31,800 Suits to long dresses? Has to because you know yeah you 135 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:36,000 can use latex for unless it's young Sam's and they'd used 136 00:06:36,100 --> 00:06:38,500 things are things with the rubber would have like a lace 137 00:06:38,500 --> 00:06:41,500 print overlay and there's even an outfit that they've done. 138 00:06:41,500 --> 00:06:45,500 They've been in the DNA and it was all hand cut, beautiful, 139 00:06:45,500 --> 00:06:47,700 sort of like, doily flower laser-cut. 140 00:06:47,700 --> 00:06:51,900 Yes, all overlaid all glued with an amazing headdress with a 141 00:06:51,900 --> 00:06:54,000 plume at the top, just brilliant. 142 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,400 Now, tell me what atsuko Kudo, that sukeroku. 143 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:58,400 Yes. And I met her. 144 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:01,500 She was in the shop when she And it's a london-based shop. 145 00:07:01,500 --> 00:07:04,900 Yes yeah. Does it smell like suppose the 146 00:07:04,900 --> 00:07:07,800 rubber does it do you? I mean is it like taking a pair 147 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,600 of rubber gloves off and you you feel like you need to wash your 148 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:12,600 hands? No, it actually kept time. 149 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:14,400 I was in glass guys. It wasn't like super hot anyway 150 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:17,700 but I kept quite cool. I felt good. 151 00:07:17,700 --> 00:07:20,500 I felt empowered. I love the shape of this, the 152 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:24,300 great shoulder line for at the front and then it kind of really 153 00:07:24,300 --> 00:07:28,300 cinched in here and and then the pepper not for, yeah, maybe feel 154 00:07:28,300 --> 00:07:31,000 strong as fun. I like that fabulous. 155 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:34,900 Do you have a style icon? I have got several. 156 00:07:34,900 --> 00:07:38,400 I mean, my earliest memories, are people like Julie Andrews, 157 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,400 both in Sound of Music and in Mary Poppins? 158 00:07:41,700 --> 00:07:44,700 So, I think the tailoring of Mary, yes, I can see that but 159 00:07:44,700 --> 00:07:47,800 then make it out of curtains. Did you ever? 160 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:51,300 So I did a little bit, but not enough to be clever about it. 161 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:53,200 That's actually one of the things I've always meant to do, 162 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,000 I've got I own an amazing sign machine and I got as far as 163 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,000 winding the bobbin and then I got a bit like I don't really 164 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,100 know what's going on anymore. You've been sewing for a long 165 00:08:01,100 --> 00:08:02,800 time. Well, I think that's what really 166 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:06,000 set me off. You know, mmm, being sort of big 167 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,500 enough and tall enough to reach the pedal of the sewing machine 168 00:08:08,500 --> 00:08:11,100 and getting going. And yes, if you can teach me, 169 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,300 give me a lot lately. I haven't done it for many years 170 00:08:14,300 --> 00:08:16,800 but actually now I've got a little bit more time. 171 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,900 I'm really looking forward to class a lovely, the crafting 172 00:08:19,900 --> 00:08:22,100 side of things. You know when you when you as 173 00:08:22,100 --> 00:08:25,200 you progress through your career, if you're not careful, 174 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:29,900 you can lose touch with certain elements that Drew you into it 175 00:08:29,900 --> 00:08:32,000 in the first place, that's very easy to do. 176 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:33,500 Yeah. And it's so important to kind of 177 00:08:33,500 --> 00:08:36,000 get back to that Carnival because that's probably the bit 178 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:37,600 of it that resonates the most with you, as well. 179 00:08:38,100 --> 00:08:40,900 Do you write your own songs? Yes, I'm a leak. 180 00:08:40,900 --> 00:08:43,400 Oh, right, cause I like writing with other people. 181 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:45,400 I think it helps you weed out the good ideas. 182 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:47,400 Yeah. And I write totally on my own. 183 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:50,600 I sometimes, can't tell if I'm doing something brilliant or 184 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:51,900 awful. And that's a, that's a bit. 185 00:08:51,900 --> 00:08:53,600 You can't get a big check mate with yourself. 186 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:55,900 There's someone I've worked with for a long time now. 187 00:08:55,900 --> 00:08:58,500 Chords, I'm Ed Harcourt, he's an amazing singer. 188 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,000 Songwriter in his own, right, and we've worked together on 189 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:04,800 three albums, and it's just a very easy collaboration. 190 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:08,000 We have a lot of fun, we chat about a ton of stuff, we laugh a 191 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:09,200 lot and then we write a song as well. 192 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:13,100 I think creative collaboration is just so exciting. 193 00:09:13,100 --> 00:09:17,000 So, rewarding, whether you're designing, it is writing or 194 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,200 whatever you want, it gives you add a shape as well. 195 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,800 I think, if you've got your own, your own with thoughts can be a 196 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:24,800 bit, can be a bit woolly, but this is your discipline of, you 197 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:26,600 know, we turn up at this time and we know we're finishing at 198 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:28,400 that time and so let's just get it done. 199 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:33,400 I mean, you're famously, the mother of five boys to three 200 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:37,100 more and those lighter than that, that there's a lot of mail 201 00:09:37,100 --> 00:09:39,800 and many than energy in your household. 202 00:09:39,900 --> 00:09:42,400 Does that affect your sartorial decisions? 203 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:46,500 Do you think? I don't know about that. 204 00:09:46,500 --> 00:09:49,300 I mean, yes it my eldest is really into fashion, so he's 205 00:09:49,300 --> 00:09:51,900 really someone, I'll show my stuff too and he's ever since he 206 00:09:51,908 --> 00:09:53,200 was little, he'd come out shopping with me. 207 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,000 And does he love your style? He does, actually, although I 208 00:09:56,000 --> 00:10:01,100 think sometimes he thinks I take it quite far during lockdown. 209 00:10:01,100 --> 00:10:05,700 We did discos from home where I got even more caricature, my 210 00:10:05,700 --> 00:10:07,300 choices. So, basically, for a long time, 211 00:10:07,300 --> 00:10:11,000 now I've been collecting outfits, not really knowing why. 212 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:14,500 So I've got a lot of vintage. Ice skating outfits made. 213 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:18,800 Direct costumes leotards just bunker stuff. 214 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:21,900 I didn't think was going to see the light of day until I found 215 00:10:21,900 --> 00:10:25,200 myself singing from home during lockdown where I suddenly 216 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:26,700 thought, right? That's now I'm going to wear 217 00:10:26,700 --> 00:10:29,300 that stuff. Framed, well, I thought so and 218 00:10:29,300 --> 00:10:31,300 then someone said to me, oh, you know, it must be hard for your 219 00:10:31,300 --> 00:10:33,000 elders. You know, when you're wearing 220 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,500 those costumes and I said, no, he's really supportive. 221 00:10:35,700 --> 00:10:38,500 I said to Sonny afterwards. This, you know, I've said you're 222 00:10:38,500 --> 00:10:44,000 so supportive and funny when is a bit much sometimes actually 223 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,600 overall, It's like I've got one of my favorite jackets is one 224 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,200 that he picked out for me. He's got a really good eye. 225 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:51,500 He'll often say I'm not sure about that handbag with that 226 00:10:51,500 --> 00:10:54,000 dress but tried this. He's just he's always been 227 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,500 someone. That's fantastic. 228 00:10:56,500 --> 00:10:59,100 Yeah. And he's now studying design and 229 00:10:59,100 --> 00:11:01,200 he's about to do. He's at the Brit school. 230 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:03,500 Doing a graphic design course and for his last, but he's 231 00:11:03,500 --> 00:11:06,500 allowed to do his own own thing and he's going to do a clothing 232 00:11:06,500 --> 00:11:07,700 line. So I think, you know, that's 233 00:11:07,700 --> 00:11:11,000 something he's we share. Are you allowed to critique in 234 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,500 the other direction? Yeah, but his style is different 235 00:11:13,500 --> 00:11:14,300 to mine. Yeah. 236 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:18,100 I think he's more into sort of designer streetwear side of 237 00:11:18,100 --> 00:11:22,700 things where as I love a rummage around her, you know, secondhand 238 00:11:22,700 --> 00:11:26,400 shop, do you have any favorites, any sort of particular second 239 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:29,600 handle vintage store that you? You go to again and again and 240 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:31,700 always come out with something? Yes. 241 00:11:31,700 --> 00:11:33,400 I mean in London, its kind of got bit harder. 242 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:35,800 Actually, a lot of the places. I've always loved clothes being 243 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,600 all been ravaged. Yeah, yeah, exactly. 244 00:11:39,500 --> 00:11:42,200 And I also, like things where I'm not someone that's 245 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:45,100 collectings design of Vintage stuff. 246 00:11:45,100 --> 00:11:48,000 I like stuff. That's a bit more Rough and 247 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:51,000 Ready and inexpensive really and quirky. 248 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,600 Yeah, quirky yes. So my favorite is actually when 249 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:57,100 I go into a because then I'll build my day around going to 250 00:11:57,100 --> 00:11:59,300 visit three or four vintage shops around the city. 251 00:11:59,300 --> 00:12:02,400 I walk everywhere all day and it just gives me a shape to the day 252 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:05,200 gets me out and about and give you a gives you a feel of the 253 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:06,700 city. Otherwise say, I would imagine 254 00:12:06,700 --> 00:12:09,600 you travel around the world and you don't know whether you're in 255 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:13,100 Tokyo or ya. Know it's Alabama. 256 00:12:13,100 --> 00:12:14,600 Exactly. I love getting out and about 257 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:17,800 About and and also in that world as well be so friendly. 258 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:19,400 You know, you always find yourself chatting to whoever's 259 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:21,900 running the show it, it's so true. 260 00:12:21,900 --> 00:12:23,900 All the vintage shopping that I do. 261 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:28,400 They, they're passionate about clothes and I love that eating 262 00:12:28,500 --> 00:12:32,200 and the up cycling and the reusing and they're giving 263 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:34,700 something a second or a third, or a fourth life. 264 00:12:34,700 --> 00:12:36,200 In fact playing, I love that too. 265 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:38,400 And I love the stories in the clothes and it's just with me 266 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:40,600 for a little while and then I'll send it on its way. 267 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,200 To do you ever take it as far as fancy dress? 268 00:12:43,900 --> 00:12:47,300 I'm sure it's crossed that line many times sometimes 269 00:12:47,300 --> 00:12:50,900 intentionally. So it's not in fancy, dress is 270 00:12:50,900 --> 00:12:52,300 great fun. And I think the thing I like 271 00:12:52,300 --> 00:12:55,200 about that is, you know, it's a fun for a party and sometimes 272 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:58,300 festivals and and its really good for everybody feeling like 273 00:12:58,300 --> 00:13:01,100 they've invested in the event of the party before it's happened. 274 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:03,300 So really brings to it that energy of light. 275 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:06,100 I've worked really hard on this and I want to have a good time 276 00:13:06,300 --> 00:13:08,500 so I think it should happen. More often actually funny one. 277 00:13:08,500 --> 00:13:11,800 This does your weight or perception of your body affect 278 00:13:12,100 --> 00:13:14,900 your choice of what you were? I think it can't help but do 279 00:13:14,900 --> 00:13:18,500 that really? Yes, and I know specially after 280 00:13:19,100 --> 00:13:21,000 I've had a few times, I felt that first time was actually, 281 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:25,500 when I was in my first band and I went I sort of left school 282 00:13:25,500 --> 00:13:29,300 signed a record deal went on to her and suddenly life on the 283 00:13:29,308 --> 00:13:31,100 road where you're eating like that. 284 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:33,700 I mean now it's much better when you stopped her services but 285 00:13:33,700 --> 00:13:38,400 then it was very much ginseng as pasties and Burger Kings and and 286 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:40,600 drinking more and it was a bit like is it's not equivalent 287 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:42,400 going to University basically. Yeah. 288 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:44,800 And I remember, That being a bit of a shock. 289 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:49,700 Like oh and just the first time I saw myself on stage I just ran 290 00:13:49,700 --> 00:13:52,000 out the room crying. I hate it was wearing so I 291 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:55,800 looked enormous the cameras brutal isn't it as property? 292 00:13:55,800 --> 00:14:00,800 And I was like, 17, I think 16 17 and you just it's just very 293 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:03,600 hard to get used to seeing yourself and I don't actually 294 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:07,100 really watch anything bad but I think yeah. 295 00:14:07,100 --> 00:14:10,400 I mean it's definitely been fluctuations, you know, tickly 296 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:12,400 obviously after babies or during pregnancy or whatever. 297 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:15,400 But I I've got more forgiving of myself. 298 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:18,300 I've got older and weirdly or even though I've definitely a 299 00:14:18,300 --> 00:14:20,300 times when I've been in better shape I think I'm on the best of 300 00:14:20,308 --> 00:14:22,900 terms with my body and I don't know if that's just getting 301 00:14:22,900 --> 00:14:26,100 older you just I just don't sound a lot more really healthy. 302 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:28,400 Yeah it's nice. I think as appreciate what it's 303 00:14:28,408 --> 00:14:31,400 doing for me, really? And in fact I can get up on 304 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:34,500 stage and jump around for an hour and feel okay and still 305 00:14:34,500 --> 00:14:39,300 saying that's brilliant, I'll take it absolutely I mean you 306 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:43,500 you obviously did strictly so that was a lot of movement. 307 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:48,800 Moment, a lot of dance has that. Do you dance more now? 308 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:53,600 Do you think, post strictly, and does that help you stay in shape 309 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:55,600 as that? What do you do to stay in shape? 310 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:57,900 Yeah, I definitely think the movement on stage is a big part 311 00:14:57,900 --> 00:15:00,700 of my fitness, really. I didn't really appreciate into 312 00:15:00,700 --> 00:15:03,200 a lockdown actually. I think I just had it in a 313 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:06,600 separate part of my head but yeah, it's a huge deal, really, 314 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:09,000 because it's quite aerobic, really jumping around a lot. 315 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:10,900 Oh my God. And your very physical 316 00:15:10,900 --> 00:15:12,800 performer. You, I am now but it's funny 317 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:14,800 because when I started It was complete opposite. 318 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,800 So when Groove jet came out in 2000. 319 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:20,200 I didn't move at all. I would stand completely still. 320 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:24,300 I think I felt quite self-conscious and awkward. 321 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:27,000 And in fact I was asked to do strictly a couple of times 322 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:30,000 before I said, yes. And I always used to say, why am 323 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:33,000 I going to do a dance program where I prove whether or not, I 324 00:15:33,008 --> 00:15:34,500 can dance when I make dance music. 325 00:15:34,500 --> 00:15:36,600 That just seemed like a really foolish thing to do. 326 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:40,300 It's better when people don't but it's really the grave thing 327 00:15:40,300 --> 00:15:43,100 to do. Well, I think it came at a time 328 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:46,500 when When I was ready to flip the script a little bit, I'd 329 00:15:46,900 --> 00:15:49,900 just written an album called Wonder last, which is a very 330 00:15:49,900 --> 00:15:53,600 foggy album, no dance, no disco and so musically. 331 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:57,300 I'd already done something that took me away from the norm and I 332 00:15:57,300 --> 00:15:59,300 think I felt like I was ready to do something like that. 333 00:15:59,300 --> 00:16:01,600 With, you know, they're more like public side of things, as 334 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:03,300 well. So it was strictly. 335 00:16:03,300 --> 00:16:06,200 I just found myself saying, okay, let's do it and my 336 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:09,100 girlfriends were big part of my decision-making because I have 337 00:16:09,100 --> 00:16:12,200 to re good friends from school. And one of them was over and I 338 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:15,900 said I've been Strictly on her whole body language changed. 339 00:16:15,900 --> 00:16:18,500 It is so excited. I thought, oh, I didn't know you 340 00:16:18,500 --> 00:16:19,900 watched it. So that I've watched every 341 00:16:19,900 --> 00:16:22,300 episode in, you're going to love this and what you get to 342 00:16:22,308 --> 00:16:24,200 Blackpool and oh my God, you're going to love a quick step. 343 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:26,500 And I was like, oh my goodness, what's happened to my friend? 344 00:16:26,500 --> 00:16:28,700 And I basically said, yes, because of her that 345 00:16:28,700 --> 00:16:31,900 conversation. Amazing but impulsive, but yeah, 346 00:16:31,900 --> 00:16:36,800 I think doing the movement on the show, definitely made me 347 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,400 more even more uninhibited on stage, and it made me realize 348 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:42,200 how things read, as well. You know, when you first start 349 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:45,900 using your body to Make a point or two, you know, to highlight 350 00:16:45,900 --> 00:16:48,000 the drama. And I'm singing I think I speak 351 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:51,900 quite small and I realized was strictly the biggest biggest 352 00:16:51,900 --> 00:16:54,000 best, and you can't really take it too big. 353 00:16:54,100 --> 00:16:57,900 So now, I really use all of me when I do stuff, how wonderful 354 00:16:57,900 --> 00:17:04,300 to take that experience and and you know, apply it to you you 355 00:17:04,308 --> 00:17:06,800 know, your your work life. I feel very lucky. 356 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:08,900 I could do that actually because I could see that for some of the 357 00:17:08,900 --> 00:17:12,099 contestants, you know, they loved so much of what they were 358 00:17:12,099 --> 00:17:15,300 doing but they couldn't really Integrate it into their day job 359 00:17:15,700 --> 00:17:18,700 as readily and for me it was very complimentary and that way 360 00:17:19,599 --> 00:17:21,700 and also one of the costume designers there, she's call 361 00:17:21,700 --> 00:17:23,300 Vicki which is actually ahead of costume. 362 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:27,300 And she made for me this beautiful silver or skiing in 363 00:17:27,300 --> 00:17:32,100 Crested crystallized bikini, I'm not looking swimsuit sort of 364 00:17:32,108 --> 00:17:34,600 thing like a leotard. I remember a simple and I've 365 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:36,600 used it ever since I thought I was going to say, did you get to 366 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:39,000 keep it? Well, I bought two, I use them 367 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:42,500 on rotation and they're a really important part of my kids for my 368 00:17:42,500 --> 00:17:44,900 gigs. Cause you put that underneath 369 00:17:45,300 --> 00:17:47,900 like a chiffon overlay. I've seen that wonderful. 370 00:17:48,300 --> 00:17:49,800 Look at the little twinkles through. 371 00:17:50,100 --> 00:17:52,500 Yes, it's less. It's less in your face, but it's 372 00:17:52,500 --> 00:17:55,000 Han fans really. Hastily catches the light. 373 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:58,700 Yeah, so that's that's become a really big part of my stage. 374 00:17:58,700 --> 00:18:02,400 We're now outside stage where, when you're unsure of the dress 375 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:05,700 code, what would be your go to look or well? 376 00:18:05,700 --> 00:18:08,200 I think vintage is often a good one because it's slightly takes 377 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:10,600 you outside of the equation. A little bit. 378 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:13,400 I feel more nervous. If I go too. 379 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:15,900 Something like, I don't know, a wedding or a party, and I'm 380 00:18:15,900 --> 00:18:19,800 wearing High Street than I would bring vintage because it just 381 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:23,100 think, oh, it's a bit, it can be a bit ordinary. 382 00:18:23,100 --> 00:18:25,300 I mean, I love it. I think, get me wrong, I think 383 00:18:25,700 --> 00:18:27,500 British High Street is fantastic. 384 00:18:27,500 --> 00:18:29,800 It's so Democratic. And there's so much choice and 385 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:33,300 it's brilliant, but I just like, sort of doing something that's 386 00:18:33,300 --> 00:18:34,800 my own thing. And then you sort of do have to 387 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:36,800 worry so much about what people think because it's you've got 388 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:39,600 coming to it outside of that conversation sometimes. 389 00:18:39,900 --> 00:18:41,600 What's my go to me? What am I do? 390 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:43,400 I have any idea where I'm going with this question? 391 00:18:44,500 --> 00:18:47,200 My the event. I mean, if it's going to know, 392 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:49,400 if it's outdoors, indoors, 22, cardi. 393 00:18:50,500 --> 00:18:52,100 Yes, you've got a good point there. 394 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:54,000 You got a good point. I'm not quite practical 395 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,800 underneath it. You really are actually my feet 396 00:18:56,800 --> 00:19:01,900 not to hurt so but it D is the one look that you absolutely 397 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:06,000 love what your favorite look. Oh I think I was like to look 398 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,900 like I haven't really, I don't want to be thinking about what 399 00:19:08,900 --> 00:19:10,900 I'm wearing after I leave the house, I don't be fussing with 400 00:19:10,900 --> 00:19:15,800 anything so maybe a good places. I do like a one zip up things. 401 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:19,300 I've got loads of jumpsuits and short places and they're 402 00:19:19,300 --> 00:19:21,200 brilliant. They're great for stage as well. 403 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,100 If I find myself doing that. But they're also good for just 404 00:19:23,300 --> 00:19:24,900 day to day. And I found with my kids, it 405 00:19:24,900 --> 00:19:28,200 means I can climb a tree if I need to, I can bend down, I can 406 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,400 tie shoelaces. I'm not worried about anything 407 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:32,600 like that. I like the freedom of his age. 408 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:37,100 A consideration of how you dress a follow-on from the place. 409 00:19:37,100 --> 00:19:42,400 It's not yet. I think the way it's creeping in 410 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:47,400 his Maybe Be Fabrics. I think the most of in expensive 411 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:51,000 Fabrics, don't look as good now that I'm older lot of lovely 412 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,600 little dresses I've had for you and I keep hold of everything. 413 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,800 But I went through my all of my summer clothes the other day and 414 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,000 put everything on and some of the really cute little 415 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,000 sundresses. I'd had a really long time. 416 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:02,400 They just don't look that good now. 417 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:06,200 I think you need something that holds its shape better, I think 418 00:20:06,300 --> 00:20:08,400 so. Yeah, I yes, as you get older. 419 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:09,500 That's what I think. Yes. 420 00:20:09,500 --> 00:20:15,600 But in terms of hemline that have yet to succumb to I am sure 421 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:16,700 that they will come, but not yet. 422 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:21,500 I mean, I actually on that note in terms of sustainability, what 423 00:20:21,500 --> 00:20:23,700 do you do with your your clothes? 424 00:20:23,700 --> 00:20:26,700 Once you've had enough of them, occasionally, I'll give them two 425 00:20:26,700 --> 00:20:28,200 girlfriends. Like people, I'm always getting 426 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:30,000 people to borrow my clothes. I don't like the idea of him 427 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:33,000 sitting dormant, so if anyone's got anything coming up, I'll be 428 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:34,500 all right. Come around. 429 00:20:34,500 --> 00:20:36,200 I usually fill a bag full of options. 430 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,200 They take it all away, just bring it back. 431 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:39,500 You know, do it. You have to decide now. 432 00:20:39,500 --> 00:20:41,700 I like doing that. That's fantastic. 433 00:20:41,700 --> 00:20:44,000 That you generally get on them. Then I'll just say He's pretty 434 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:47,300 keep that one but other than that it's my local charity shop. 435 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,100 And weirdly I get very flattered if they put my donations in the 436 00:20:50,100 --> 00:20:52,000 window and take that as a huge combo. 437 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:55,300 Sweet. That was one of mine. 438 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:03,000 Do you do you think you've had a worst fashion moment of so many 439 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:08,200 just one in particular one? Oh wow. 440 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,900 I mean, I think I think pretty much everything I wore when I 441 00:21:10,900 --> 00:21:13,400 was pregnant with my first baby, I just didn't get my turn. 442 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:17,200 See we're at all, I didn't want to say, I was I was 24, I just 443 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,500 didn't want to wear maternity, it seemed really frumpy as a 444 00:21:20,508 --> 00:21:21,900 concept. It's got better now. 445 00:21:21,900 --> 00:21:25,800 Anyway, I think generally but so I wore just of oversized things 446 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:29,400 and a lot of bright clothing. And there's remember one time 447 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,000 there's a picture taken of me and my husband, Richard, and I'm 448 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:36,500 wearing a bright blue coats with The Tartan scarf relief, Reston 449 00:21:36,500 --> 00:21:40,000 torrent, it muffs and I said, why did you let me go out like 450 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:41,000 that? He said, I just thought you 451 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,900 looked funny. So that was yeah that was like I 452 00:21:44,908 --> 00:21:47,900 love the fact that he's so encouraging. 453 00:21:47,900 --> 00:21:50,700 So amused by me. Yeah and I think you know the 454 00:21:50,700 --> 00:21:53,000 kids as well they're just they don't really bat an eyelid, it's 455 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,700 kind of brilliant. I am always trying things on. 456 00:21:55,700 --> 00:21:59,200 There's always weird and wonderful sparkly things turning 457 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,100 up at the house. I'm constantly finding like 458 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:04,300 little independent Brands and buying sort of Festival style 459 00:22:04,300 --> 00:22:06,600 gear, and that kind of thing, and trying it on and then 460 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:07,700 forgetting. I've got it on and then 461 00:22:07,700 --> 00:22:10,000 organizing something or go on the trampoline with them and 462 00:22:10,300 --> 00:22:12,300 they just don't really think about it. 463 00:22:12,300 --> 00:22:16,800 Got you got a rough? Schenley open and fluid approach 464 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:20,000 to addressing I think yeah I want them to have that as well 465 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:21,400 though. Yeah I want them to enjoy 466 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:22,800 getting dressed if it speaks to them. 467 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,700 I mean my second one down is not interested in fashion at all. 468 00:22:25,700 --> 00:22:29,400 He spent most of last year wearing this Christmas top that 469 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,500 said Mary cactus cactus muscles like a cactus tree with it. 470 00:22:32,500 --> 00:22:34,600 What you just put it on like most days even likes of of 471 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:38,100 August but the little ones are quite into it. 472 00:22:38,100 --> 00:22:40,200 My six-year-old really like smashing, he gets very 473 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,300 interested in not that with that and pairing all and was it? 474 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,800 Like bright colors and I like seeing him enjoy it. 475 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,200 It's fun, isn't it? Great fun? 476 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:49,800 How often do you actually spring? 477 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,500 Clean your wardrobe. When you sound like you've got 478 00:22:52,500 --> 00:22:54,400 masses. I do and it's constant. 479 00:22:54,500 --> 00:22:56,900 I'm always in the middle of a clear out. 480 00:22:56,900 --> 00:23:01,300 It is, I'm just come to accept that now, it's constant, but 481 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:03,700 sometimes I've got rid of stuff and regretted it. 482 00:23:03,700 --> 00:23:06,300 So I always feel like you don't win any prizes. 483 00:23:06,300 --> 00:23:09,100 If you get rid of something you later, think I wish I kept that, 484 00:23:10,500 --> 00:23:12,900 but when I've made them I won't I sort of have a process now, 485 00:23:12,900 --> 00:23:15,900 where I'll take Without put them in a like another space, that's 486 00:23:15,900 --> 00:23:18,800 like the holding space and if I feel good about it, after a 487 00:23:18,808 --> 00:23:22,400 couple of weeks and on it goes, do you archive anything? 488 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:26,800 You know, if you've been to an awards ceremony or won an award 489 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:30,800 or done something very special, do you hold on to that? 490 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:34,100 Yep, I've got things from. I mean, I've still got like a 491 00:23:34,108 --> 00:23:34,700 dress. I bought. 492 00:23:34,700 --> 00:23:38,200 When I was about 15 16 from New Look, I just wanted so badly and 493 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,000 it's a really classic black shift, a nice to wear my first 494 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:42,400 band all the time. That's, that's the hang up my 495 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,800 wardrobe. I've got boxes on top of my 496 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:46,800 wardrobe. So I've got all my video outfits 497 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,200 in them. I've got tons of stuff, I hardly 498 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,600 get rid of anything and it's actually really helpful because 499 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,700 you open up the boxes and all the memories come back and also 500 00:23:54,700 --> 00:23:57,700 why not. It's absolutely it's but also 501 00:23:57,700 --> 00:23:59,800 it's part of who you are. Yeah. 502 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,300 Everything you want on a music video or yeah. 503 00:24:02,300 --> 00:24:04,900 Those things are special. I mean, I've sometimes given 504 00:24:04,900 --> 00:24:07,200 away things if there's been I don't know like a charity 505 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,200 auction and actually I have got rid of the boots from my murder 506 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,300 on the Dancefloor video, always regret it was it was the wrong. 507 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,700 Actually, I think that was silly of me, think of the money that 508 00:24:16,700 --> 00:24:19,900 was raised for the charity true but they didn't actually say in 509 00:24:19,900 --> 00:24:22,100 the charity auction that they were the boots from the video. 510 00:24:22,100 --> 00:24:24,800 And so they basically sold them for I think slightly less than I 511 00:24:24,808 --> 00:24:27,800 probably pay for them to have it done in time in the first place. 512 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,800 So I felt like I wasted my go a little bit but yes, you're 513 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:32,000 right. It's definitely, it's 514 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,500 definitely, you know, a little bit in the right direction but I 515 00:24:34,508 --> 00:24:35,800 could have saved it and made more of it. 516 00:24:35,808 --> 00:24:37,800 I think. Anyways, right, it happened live 517 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:41,700 and learn the yeah, I live in London as talk about travel do 518 00:24:41,700 --> 00:24:43,800 you pay particular attention? Shinto. 519 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,000 What your airport look would? Because you're at, you know, 520 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,900 you're a well-known face. I would imagine you get papped 521 00:24:49,900 --> 00:24:53,600 when you least want to be, there's not too bad and actually 522 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:57,900 with airport stuff. I am someone that gets very 523 00:24:57,900 --> 00:25:01,700 excited about being hand. Luggage only is my oh my God, 524 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,900 the girl has this amazing eclectic taste. 525 00:25:04,900 --> 00:25:07,400 I can't believe it and you just get that into hand luggage. 526 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:08,300 I do. I love it. 527 00:25:08,300 --> 00:25:09,800 I see it as an absolute challenge. 528 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:11,200 That is okay. As long as the employee 529 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:15,100 practically, just did a 12-day. Holiday and all of us were 530 00:25:15,100 --> 00:25:16,900 handle good. I loved that. 531 00:25:17,100 --> 00:25:21,000 I felt very clever. I mean, I carried that most of 532 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,500 the bags, every had their own bag and I had most of them on 533 00:25:23,500 --> 00:25:27,400 me, most of the time, but yeah, nothing to check in. 534 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,300 Thank you very much. I am in all of that. 535 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,200 Which brand would you say is your guilty secret? 536 00:25:35,500 --> 00:25:39,400 Oh, it's brand. I don't feel guilty about any of 537 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:40,300 them. Is that bad? 538 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,800 No because I sure think I asked you that Question. 539 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,400 And I thought, hmm, actually, you're such a vintage girl, I 540 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:48,900 am. But also, there are brands that 541 00:25:48,900 --> 00:25:52,800 I've I do like to collect stuff. There's a woman called Rosa 542 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,800 Bloom whose companies also called Rosenblum, and she makes 543 00:25:56,300 --> 00:25:58,200 secret. I think it started just as 544 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,900 Festival where but it's the best for stage where, and I've 545 00:26:00,900 --> 00:26:02,400 definitely put up a little collection. 546 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:07,000 And I think that's probably my favorite sort of brand outside 547 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,500 of the High Street. In terms of, I love everything, 548 00:26:09,500 --> 00:26:12,000 she's done, it makes you feel incredible. 549 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:16,400 It's like superhero James are there be sequin cat suits or 550 00:26:16,500 --> 00:26:18,800 jackets or shirts and tops and I wear them all the time. 551 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,600 On some my God. I so many I don't come into your 552 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,800 wardrobe and just have a really good. 553 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,900 I think every woman should own one of the Cascades and guys to 554 00:26:27,900 --> 00:26:33,000 why not and they make you feel kind of invincible and they so 555 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,000 mesmeric when they share my and also it doesn't doesn't crease 556 00:26:36,300 --> 00:26:39,000 wiped clean. It's perfect for travel fabulous 557 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,100 sustainability. Credentials of that are probably 558 00:26:43,100 --> 00:26:44,000 not. Enormous. 559 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,200 But we'll sort of pass like one by one but if you keep it 560 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,600 forever well from use it to death and then I think it's not 561 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,800 taking anywhere near been that's fine. 562 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,900 What if anything, do you feel? You have an excessive amount of 563 00:26:56,900 --> 00:27:00,400 in your wardrobe sequence, salute hat. 564 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:05,200 I mean, those is this I because of my eBay habits as sometimes 565 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,300 buy things, just own them, I'll, they'll be something I'll have 566 00:27:08,300 --> 00:27:10,600 on my saved searches. I'm, I just kind of want to own 567 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,100 that. I don't know when I'll use it. 568 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:17,600 So you have a lot of very odd that I always imagined some 569 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,400 point in the future. After my death, there might be a 570 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,500 very small quirky Museum of things. 571 00:27:22,500 --> 00:27:24,600 I've bought people wander around going. 572 00:27:25,100 --> 00:27:27,700 Why does she have so many of these major at costumes? 573 00:27:27,700 --> 00:27:29,800 Not also have no idea. I never saw anyone. 574 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:31,200 I don't know why I buy these things. 575 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:35,500 I just like the collection.we through the putting together 576 00:27:35,500 --> 00:27:38,100 looks. Do you go into your wardrobe 577 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:42,400 with your phone? Put a look on, take a photograph 578 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,300 of it, or do you? See how you feel? 579 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,500 Yeah, I think I definitely could have been smarter about all 580 00:27:47,500 --> 00:27:49,100 those things. I don't, I don't actually really 581 00:27:49,100 --> 00:27:52,500 have the basics covered, which I'd noticed quite a lot. 582 00:27:52,500 --> 00:27:56,700 I don't shop with a very considered mind, I just get 583 00:27:56,700 --> 00:28:00,400 excited about things and want to own it and probably have a few 584 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:05,000 variations of a very similar items you know, I mean but yeah 585 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:06,900 I think Charles like me and a white T-shirt. 586 00:28:06,900 --> 00:28:10,000 I really well as in you have that way, you don't have no, I 587 00:28:10,008 --> 00:28:13,200 have lots of those. Okay you see I don't own. 588 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,800 Plain white t-shirts and that's kind of thing. 589 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,100 I sometimes think that would make me a grown-up. 590 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:22,500 Like, I haven't quite crossed. Yeah, but never do it, but it 591 00:28:22,500 --> 00:28:23,800 sounds good. And then you've always got the 592 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,100 basics covered and sometimes when I'm about to go out and be 593 00:28:26,108 --> 00:28:29,300 like, why do I not own just like really great pair of trousers, 594 00:28:29,300 --> 00:28:32,600 or really, you know, pulled together. 595 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,300 Look. That is something I struggle 596 00:28:34,300 --> 00:28:40,500 with it just like, doesn't sound like you that is face reality. 597 00:28:40,500 --> 00:28:44,700 Sometimes, so guilty secret. What's the most Expensive item 598 00:28:44,700 --> 00:28:47,800 of clothing, you thought. Well, my most expensive thing I 599 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,500 ever bought was also something I never wore and in a way it was 600 00:28:50,500 --> 00:28:53,900 quite a good lesson for me. It was after I'd had my first 601 00:28:53,900 --> 00:28:56,800 success so it must have been around the time of grooved yet. 602 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:01,100 Maybe after my first album came out actually and I used to 603 00:29:01,100 --> 00:29:04,200 always go on websites like you know, net supporting all these 604 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,600 things when they launched and look at them and think. 605 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,200 Wow. And I thought, I wonder how it 606 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,900 feels to just buy those really expensive dresses and I bought 607 00:29:11,900 --> 00:29:16,700 this black Flowy dress is very beautiful, sweetheart, neckline 608 00:29:16,700 --> 00:29:18,400 too long. Ribbons that you saw crossed 609 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:22,400 over on the bodice and that skirt, it costs a thousand 610 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,300 pounds and then never wore out. I don't know why I didn't maybe 611 00:29:25,300 --> 00:29:27,900 I was worried about it getting damaged or something happening 612 00:29:27,900 --> 00:29:29,800 to it. I thought, right, I've done it. 613 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,900 Now I know what it feels like to just go in the basket for and 614 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:35,600 they actually stopped me from ever doing that again. 615 00:29:36,100 --> 00:29:38,800 Have you still got it? No, I got rid of it years ago 616 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:40,700 because it wasn't being worn. What's the point about? 617 00:29:40,700 --> 00:29:44,800 It said the labels on them. So I I haven't spent over that 618 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,500 amount since then except for my wedding dress, which was from 619 00:29:47,500 --> 00:29:50,200 where that was actually really lovely designer. 620 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,100 She was based very near trellick towers and very near where I was 621 00:29:53,100 --> 00:29:54,800 living at the time. We were just stuffed portobello 622 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,700 Road and her name was Sarah, Owen. 623 00:29:58,700 --> 00:30:03,300 And she, she wasn't a big name with that but she just said, 624 00:30:03,500 --> 00:30:07,000 together, will grow address. I just go and visit her and 625 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:08,900 slowly slowly. We built up this dress that I 626 00:30:08,900 --> 00:30:12,500 loved and it had the design that she'd done. 627 00:30:12,500 --> 00:30:16,800 And then I already had our first baby by then I wanted something 628 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,500 a bit fun. So we had pink, pink Nets that 629 00:30:19,500 --> 00:30:23,400 we bought from haberdashers on Portobello road but you could 630 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,900 see underneath and it was kind of a mid missions of mid-length 631 00:30:27,100 --> 00:30:30,600 dress with gold shoes and my friends did my hair and makeup 632 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,800 and I bright red lipstick. I was like yeah I felt like me 633 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,900 it was described the rest of the dress that so yeah Lakota 634 00:30:36,100 --> 00:30:40,900 strapless, slightly sweetheart neckline wasted so quite classic 635 00:30:40,900 --> 00:30:44,500 shape, really and little tiny Polka dots on the net. 636 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,200 Some little Jewels sound on and 11, blue one for your something 637 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:49,600 blue. And yeah, this pink net, that 638 00:30:49,608 --> 00:30:53,700 you could see and my friend Lisa did my hair and she made my back 639 00:30:53,700 --> 00:30:57,600 of my head, like a bow and then Louise had done my makeup. 640 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:01,100 For my first couple of videos she did I black tick and my red 641 00:31:01,100 --> 00:31:04,000 lips and how gorgeous. This is fun isn't. 642 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,100 And you felt you and yeah, I definitely felt like me. 643 00:31:07,100 --> 00:31:12,500 Yeah, honestly, How many pairs of shoes, do you own? 644 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,300 Well, over 200, I'd say. But then, as I really get rid of 645 00:31:16,300 --> 00:31:18,600 anything, even when I don't really wear them anymore, I 646 00:31:18,608 --> 00:31:20,800 don't know about you, but especially after their 647 00:31:21,300 --> 00:31:22,800 lockdowns. I looked at all the heels, and I 648 00:31:22,808 --> 00:31:26,300 thought, why did I ever do that to my stilettos? 649 00:31:26,300 --> 00:31:29,200 Completely by thinking completely was the first and 650 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,800 also now our feet are just so unused to them. 651 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,900 Yes. When you put them on it's a 652 00:31:33,900 --> 00:31:35,200 horror show. It really is. 653 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,500 Yeah, so I'll wear a good block heel for gigs but I don't wear 654 00:31:38,500 --> 00:31:41,300 heels apart from that. Really has your view on 655 00:31:41,300 --> 00:31:44,600 purchasing and dressing other than The heel thing changed 656 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:48,800 during since covid and lockdown. I think it's made me want to 657 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,700 celebrate all the things that were lying dormant. 658 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:55,300 I mean it was it's quite a strange thing to have all those 659 00:31:55,300 --> 00:31:57,700 clothes just sitting there waiting for something. 660 00:31:57,700 --> 00:32:00,500 You know, like maybe feel quite sad one day, just look at these 661 00:32:00,500 --> 00:32:03,400 beautiful things and thinking got nowhere to wear them, you 662 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,200 know, nothing to be looking forward to no parties, no 663 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:10,900 events, no fun stuff and did that Inspire some of your 664 00:32:10,900 --> 00:32:13,900 kitchen kitchen. Disco. 665 00:32:14,100 --> 00:32:18,000 Yeah, I think it probably did although I think that was a more 666 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:22,200 extreme version really that the kitchen discos kind of went by. 667 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,900 Obviously singing is my day job but it wasn't really about that. 668 00:32:24,900 --> 00:32:29,500 It was about me and the thing I needed to express and the side 669 00:32:29,500 --> 00:32:31,900 of me that just was being very very quiet. 670 00:32:31,900 --> 00:32:35,700 So being a bit silly, you know, putting the rollers in putting 671 00:32:35,700 --> 00:32:39,700 my makeup on choosing outfit was really really welcome 672 00:32:39,700 --> 00:32:43,100 distraction to the heaviness of what was going on so I do. 673 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,800 I really delved into that and learning new songs every week 674 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:48,900 and all of that. It was a place for me to go and 675 00:32:48,900 --> 00:32:51,600 for Richard to he was dealing with the technical side of 676 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:55,300 things and you know, helping with the song Choices and doing 677 00:32:55,300 --> 00:32:58,600 the edits and you know, doing lots of the clever stuff so it 678 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,400 was really good for us. I think it just gave us a 679 00:33:00,408 --> 00:33:02,200 different conversation to be having as well. 680 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,200 I've done a different Focus, exactly overall, the dumbest 681 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,700 acidity. If you've got a piece in your 682 00:33:07,700 --> 00:33:10,000 wardrobe, that doesn't quite fit. 683 00:33:10,300 --> 00:33:14,400 What do you tend to do with it? Do you tend to alter give it to 684 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:18,900 a girlfriend? No, at the ultimate I've sort of 685 00:33:18,900 --> 00:33:22,200 understood now that I don't really do alterations, I've used 686 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,300 as an excuse to buy things, that's not how I live. 687 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:29,100 So if something doesn't fit, if it's too small and a drastic 688 00:33:29,100 --> 00:33:31,800 way, just get it gone. It's not there's no point 689 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,300 holding on to it. But if it's a kind of, it's a 690 00:33:34,308 --> 00:33:37,800 little bit too small or too big. Probably keep hold of it for a 691 00:33:37,808 --> 00:33:39,900 little while see if it comes in. Sometimes things become useful 692 00:33:39,900 --> 00:33:42,500 later on and it's funny. I will have something waiting 693 00:33:42,500 --> 00:33:44,700 for a long time and then suddenly like, oh yeah, really 694 00:33:44,700 --> 00:33:46,300 love this. This was the right dress for the 695 00:33:46,308 --> 00:33:48,700 day. Or, you know, I mean, you sound 696 00:33:48,700 --> 00:33:51,500 like you've just got so many clothes because it's, you can 697 00:33:51,500 --> 00:33:54,200 look after them. Well, are you really conscious 698 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:58,600 of sort of having them all on beautiful hangers and mothballs 699 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,700 and or lavender bags and all of that? 700 00:34:01,700 --> 00:34:05,500 Or, no, not really, is it all A bit chaotic. 701 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,300 It's just a bit more sort of normal, I think. 702 00:34:08,300 --> 00:34:13,000 Like, I've I just hang things up mostly but it's quite chaotic. 703 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,500 My youngest Mickey sleeps in the room where all my clothes are. 704 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,000 So he's surrounded by such between three things, hanging up 705 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:20,500 on. I like be able to see stuff so 706 00:34:20,500 --> 00:34:23,400 there's lots of hooks on the wall and I hang them all up and 707 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,199 then they look all kind of shimmery and exciting and then 708 00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:30,199 you open the wardrobes and it's a bit of a squash but I know 709 00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:31,800 where everything is pretty much actually. 710 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,100 So I guess it's not that bad but there is something beautiful 711 00:34:34,100 --> 00:34:38,000 actually about using a night. Of clothing on a hanger. 712 00:34:38,100 --> 00:34:39,800 Oh, yeah. Sort of as a piece of art. 713 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:40,800 I love it. Not make. 714 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,900 It genuinely makes me happy. And I'm someone that responds a 715 00:34:43,908 --> 00:34:47,800 lot to color. And, you know, looking at things 716 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,699 that stimulate me, it affects my mood for the better. 717 00:34:50,699 --> 00:34:53,600 So I like being surrounded, by all that my house has got bright 718 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,800 colors and there's lots of things to look at and I actually 719 00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:01,000 take a lot of pleasure from it. Good at the end of the day, 720 00:35:01,300 --> 00:35:04,600 that's what it's all about. Yeah, I've got some quick fire 721 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,000 questions. Go for it. 722 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,500 I end up High Street. High Street lingo bear. 723 00:35:10,300 --> 00:35:12,200 Hmm, can I do a bit of both actually? 724 00:35:12,900 --> 00:35:14,200 Let's go playing. I think you're blinking, 725 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:19,500 minimalism will maximal a Couture or charity shop, 726 00:35:19,500 --> 00:35:21,400 charity, shop, one, awful bug off. 727 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:27,600 I think one of actually Crocs cute or puke, I think they're 728 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,300 pretty horrible. If you seen the healed ones, but 729 00:35:29,300 --> 00:35:30,900 then I was talking to some of the day and she bought them. 730 00:35:30,900 --> 00:35:31,900 Have you seen them? Yes. 731 00:35:31,900 --> 00:35:35,200 Do you own some know your sheep? She'd bought the heel drops and 732 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,000 then I bought like the things to say And I'm like, I don't get 733 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:38,900 it. I thought the whole thing of it 734 00:35:38,900 --> 00:35:40,700 is if you can own them they just for Comfort. 735 00:35:40,900 --> 00:35:43,100 Why my brother he'll on that and get it. 736 00:35:43,100 --> 00:35:45,500 So they were puking at those. Yeah they're pretty Grim 737 00:35:45,500 --> 00:35:50,000 sneakers are stilettos sneakers skinnies or boyfriends or wide 738 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,400 legs. In terms of jeans I quite like a 739 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,800 bit of a flare at the moment actually body Contour boho by 740 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:02,300 High Sports Luxe or rock chick Rock, check glamour, grunge 741 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,100 lamb, red, carpet, or relax, relax. 742 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:10,900 Party where our PJs, how do you are Trend or Style Style color 743 00:36:10,900 --> 00:36:15,100 or monochrome color pattern or plain pattern experimental or 744 00:36:15,100 --> 00:36:21,200 uniform experimental, Kashmir or cotton cotton order or editor? 745 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:26,800 I think I freaked out when I am think, we know now charity shop 746 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:32,700 or resale charity, shop vintage or rental in th recycled or up 747 00:36:32,700 --> 00:36:36,200 cycled recycled shape, work or sexy lingerie. 748 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,200 Whatever didn't understand what is shapewear is that? 749 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,100 Like stuff that kind of pulls you in and does cleverest. 750 00:36:42,100 --> 00:36:45,400 Yeah, I know the other one. I think you're sexy lady tights 751 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,300 and stockings tights actually bikini on One Piece. 752 00:36:48,300 --> 00:36:55,300 One Piece, beanie or berry berry and finally Sophie ellis-bextor. 753 00:36:55,500 --> 00:36:57,500 One last question at the end of the day. 754 00:36:57,500 --> 00:36:59,900 What do you or don't you wear in bed? 755 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,400 I wear pajamas. Now, I definitely get dressed 756 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,400 for bed. Absolutely, it's quite funny, 757 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,100 isn't it? Because I I do think it's quite 758 00:37:07,100 --> 00:37:10,800 quirky but I know I love a good pajama plays girls pajamas men's 759 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:15,000 pajamas girls ones, but know it's funny. 760 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,400 I mean, I've Got Friends that sleep with nothing and like that 761 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,100 would I find that a very unreal axing idea. 762 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:26,200 Thank you so much for your time. I have loved this conversation. 763 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,200 My God we have just really, really like her. 764 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,600 Well, there's a lot about clothing and getting dressed 765 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:36,200 that really is psychological piece and it's so emotional. 766 00:37:36,300 --> 00:37:39,800 I think your relationship with clothes is probably formed 767 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,200 before you didn't even hit double figures so much of it. 768 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,500 Definitely. And that's what this is all 769 00:37:44,500 --> 00:37:49,200 about is just understanding how it's affected us and when it 770 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:50,900 started to affect us. Yeah. 771 00:37:50,900 --> 00:37:53,600 And actually, we're lucky because we both know what we 772 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,800 like and I think I think that's once you've got that bit away, 773 00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:01,700 then the rest of it's fun, I call it your style DNA and and 774 00:38:01,700 --> 00:38:04,500 sort of finding out who you are side. 775 00:38:04,500 --> 00:38:07,900 Torrid start or really is So important really important. 776 00:38:07,900 --> 00:38:10,400 Yes and then I celebrate that all the time. 777 00:38:11,100 --> 00:38:16,200 Clearly I love that thank you. I hope you're enjoying the 778 00:38:16,207 --> 00:38:19,500 podcast. If you are please leave a review 779 00:38:19,500 --> 00:38:22,500 and hit the Subscribe button, see you next week. 780 00:38:06,300 --> 00:38:09,700 So important really important. Yes and then I celebrate that 781 00:38:09,700 --> 00:38:14,700 all the time. Clearly I love that thank you. 782 00:38:15,300 --> 00:38:17,000 I hope you're enjoying the podcast. 783 00:38:17,100 --> 00:38:21,100 If you are please leave a review and hit the Subscribe button, 784 00:38:21,300 --> 00:38:22,500 see you next week.