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Today I'm going on a sartorial 18 00:01:06,740 --> 00:01:10,380 journey with TV and radio presenter, model author, 19 00:01:10,500 --> 00:01:15,420 menopause campaigner, podcast host and Celebrity Master Chef 20 00:01:15,420 --> 00:01:18,460 winner, the wonderful Lisa Snowden. 21 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,040 And welcome, Lisa. Thank you. 22 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:24,520 Lovely to see you. So lovely, we're finally sitting 23 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,000 down to talk. I know it's only taken us, what, 24 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,800 eight months to get this in the diary, but I am thrilled to have 25 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:35,960 you here, particularly as just earlier this year you published 26 00:01:35,960 --> 00:01:39,720 your first book, Just getting started, Lessons in Life, Love, 27 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:43,360 and Menopause, dedicated to all the women in the world. 28 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:46,960 I love the spirit of this book, and I particularly love the 29 00:01:46,960 --> 00:01:50,370 reference to Chinese medicine and how in the Chinese culture 30 00:01:50,410 --> 00:01:52,890 they believe that during menopause, the energy needed for 31 00:01:52,890 --> 00:01:56,370 our uterus for growing a baby becomes free to travel to the 32 00:01:56,370 --> 00:02:01,410 heart, generating renewal, a rebirth, A deeper wisdom, a time 33 00:02:01,410 --> 00:02:03,570 for a spiritual reconnection with oneself. 34 00:02:03,570 --> 00:02:06,010 In other words, the menopause is a time for you. 35 00:02:06,770 --> 00:02:09,449 This is a beautiful way to express this new phase of a 36 00:02:09,449 --> 00:02:12,010 woman's life. I love the way you start with 37 00:02:12,010 --> 00:02:13,650 this. In our society, there are so 38 00:02:13,650 --> 00:02:17,610 many negative connotations with aging and menopause, both of 39 00:02:17,610 --> 00:02:19,530 which are seem to be pretty unsexy. 40 00:02:19,570 --> 00:02:21,690 But this sentiment is so positive. 41 00:02:21,810 --> 00:02:24,850 So thank you. I get the feeling that writing 42 00:02:24,850 --> 00:02:29,090 this book was quite a cathartic experience. 100% absolutely 43 00:02:29,090 --> 00:02:31,770 loved it. It was so much easier than I 44 00:02:31,770 --> 00:02:32,930 thought it was going to be because it was. 45 00:02:33,130 --> 00:02:37,890 I had it all there and it was cathartic. 46 00:02:37,890 --> 00:02:40,290 I did get a little bit more personal than I thought I was 47 00:02:40,290 --> 00:02:42,390 going to. But it just felt like the right 48 00:02:42,390 --> 00:02:44,030 time. It really did. 49 00:02:44,150 --> 00:02:46,990 And there was just so much that I wanted to put in there for 50 00:02:46,990 --> 00:02:50,550 women and for everybody because there's advice for loved ones 51 00:02:50,550 --> 00:02:52,270 too. It was such a tricky time to 52 00:02:52,270 --> 00:02:55,150 navigate for me, and I just wanted it to be part memoir, 53 00:02:55,150 --> 00:02:59,630 part self help manual so that it could shortcut women's diagnosis 54 00:02:59,710 --> 00:03:03,230 because some women go undiagnosed or misdiagnosed for 55 00:03:03,230 --> 00:03:07,270 years and years and years, and they spend so much money trying 56 00:03:07,270 --> 00:03:08,510 to find out what's wrong with them. 57 00:03:08,790 --> 00:03:11,030 I wanted it to be the manual that I never had. 58 00:03:11,790 --> 00:03:15,510 And just be there to kind of keep going back to if you needed 59 00:03:15,510 --> 00:03:18,150 it, needed to. God, I wish you'd written it 10 60 00:03:18,150 --> 00:03:22,750 years ago is all I can say. But it is a wonderful sort of 61 00:03:22,750 --> 00:03:25,590 manual for life. And so much of the book 62 00:03:25,590 --> 00:03:28,990 resonated with me, actually. And as a childless woman too, I 63 00:03:28,990 --> 00:03:32,750 found your story of not having children particularly moving and 64 00:03:32,750 --> 00:03:36,550 inspiringly positive. I wish this topic wasn't such an 65 00:03:36,590 --> 00:03:39,190 elephant in the room. It's tricky 1, isn't it? 66 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:43,600 It is. I think, yeah, Society, just if 67 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:47,080 you don't go down the traditional route, and I'm, I'm 68 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:48,920 not married either. So it's, you know, so they're 69 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:50,520 like, you're not married, haven't got kids, What's wrong 70 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,520 with you? Yeah, it's been challenging. 71 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:56,680 There's been a lot of negativity surrounding that, a lot of 72 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:59,160 questions a lot of people don't quite understand. 73 00:03:59,960 --> 00:04:01,800 But that's why I also wanted to write the book, because you 74 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:03,840 never know what's going on behind closed doors. 75 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,800 You never know somebody's story. And people can be really 76 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:10,690 flippant, really unkind. We can be really unkind to 77 00:04:10,690 --> 00:04:13,610 ourselves. And so yeah, we need to just 78 00:04:14,570 --> 00:04:17,130 just be nicer to each other and just to look at the bigger 79 00:04:17,130 --> 00:04:18,970 picture. And I think so too. 80 00:04:18,970 --> 00:04:24,610 And I think great that you put it out there and I think it's a 81 00:04:24,610 --> 00:04:26,530 conversation that needs to be had more and more. 82 00:04:26,530 --> 00:04:28,530 Yeah, and I've never felt comfortable enough to speak to a 83 00:04:28,530 --> 00:04:31,210 journalist about it, even though they've obviously approached me 84 00:04:31,530 --> 00:04:34,890 over the years multiple times. I never felt like I wanted to. 85 00:04:35,390 --> 00:04:38,230 Tell anybody my story and it felt like the right time to put 86 00:04:38,230 --> 00:04:40,270 it out there. In my words, yeah, you can 87 00:04:40,270 --> 00:04:42,150 totally own it. Take ownership of that 88 00:04:42,150 --> 00:04:43,310 completely. Good stuff. 89 00:04:43,310 --> 00:04:48,630 Thank you. We first met back in 1993, I'm 90 00:04:48,630 --> 00:04:51,070 gonna remind you. Yeah, decades ago. 91 00:04:51,070 --> 00:04:55,430 Oh my. Gosh, in my tiny tiny salon 92 00:04:55,430 --> 00:04:58,730 show. Am I correct in thinking that 93 00:04:58,730 --> 00:04:59,410 was? Your first show. 94 00:04:59,410 --> 00:05:03,370 It was my first fashion show. You would have no idea at the 95 00:05:03,410 --> 00:05:05,490 time first. Designer to give me a break 96 00:05:05,570 --> 00:05:11,170 because I don't know you were just you were so encouraging and 97 00:05:11,410 --> 00:05:14,570 and also enthusiastic about women and their bodies you know, 98 00:05:14,570 --> 00:05:16,450 rather than us. And it was It was wave that was 99 00:05:16,450 --> 00:05:20,970 the wave movement that was androgyny at its IT was heroin. 100 00:05:21,330 --> 00:05:23,170 Shake, baby. And I was like. 101 00:05:23,840 --> 00:05:26,840 I mean, I was slim still, but I did have these boobs and I was 102 00:05:26,840 --> 00:05:29,880 like, I don't fit into this any of this season. 103 00:05:30,280 --> 00:05:31,840 And you were the one that gave me my break. 104 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:35,520 But I remember the casting director being so excited and 105 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:39,400 and about you being the next big thing and how exciting it was 106 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:41,320 that we were going to have you on the cap. 107 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:43,400 But we didn't know. Yes, yes. 108 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:47,010 But I didn't realize this was your very, very first show and 109 00:05:47,010 --> 00:05:50,330 everyone was barefoot, so it wasn't like you had to navigate 110 00:05:50,330 --> 00:05:52,730 heels or anything like that. No, it's very chilled. 111 00:05:52,770 --> 00:05:54,690 Wasn't. Was super chilled and I've got a 112 00:05:54,690 --> 00:05:57,450 photo of that and we, you know, I posted it not too long ago 113 00:05:57,450 --> 00:05:59,810 actually, because I found it on on the Internet. 114 00:05:59,810 --> 00:06:01,650 I'd love to. Have you got anymore footage of 115 00:06:01,650 --> 00:06:03,010 any of those shows? You know what? 116 00:06:03,010 --> 00:06:06,690 I tried to find that look but the other day I will find it at 117 00:06:06,690 --> 00:06:08,850 something. Is there any, like, actual video 118 00:06:08,850 --> 00:06:11,690 footage? So I think it was showing us 119 00:06:11,810 --> 00:06:14,130 videoing. I mean, it's such a shame, isn't 120 00:06:14,130 --> 00:06:17,470 it? Yeah, because my, if my memory 121 00:06:17,470 --> 00:06:23,390 serves me right, you closed that show wearing a cream Pearl 122 00:06:23,390 --> 00:06:29,110 embroidered crepe maxi dress and you would just you filled it in 123 00:06:29,350 --> 00:06:33,110 all the right places. It was just glorious. 124 00:06:33,430 --> 00:06:36,830 I mean, the modeling world has changed so much. 125 00:06:36,830 --> 00:06:39,150 Do you think in a good way? In a good way. 126 00:06:39,670 --> 00:06:41,590 It's still not where it needs to be, but I think. 127 00:06:42,490 --> 00:06:46,010 People are trying. Do you think it's changed? 128 00:06:46,010 --> 00:06:48,050 Well, obviously there's more inclusivity. 129 00:06:51,090 --> 00:06:53,850 I like to think it's less seedy perhaps, cuz it was quite seedy. 130 00:06:53,850 --> 00:06:55,970 Different territories for me, like Paris and Milan. 131 00:06:55,970 --> 00:06:59,090 It was like I was just like, I wanna come home. 132 00:06:59,530 --> 00:07:07,730 I think it's less manipulative. Yeah, but you know, I'm sure 133 00:07:07,730 --> 00:07:09,130 there's stuff that still goes on. 134 00:07:09,750 --> 00:07:11,670 That you don't know. Did you have any particular 135 00:07:11,670 --> 00:07:13,790 nasties? I had a lot of I felt a lot of 136 00:07:13,790 --> 00:07:17,790 pressure when I was in Paris to schmooze and to socialize and to 137 00:07:17,790 --> 00:07:24,230 go out with clients and rich older men, and it just never sat 138 00:07:24,230 --> 00:07:26,390 well with me. And I would always make up some 139 00:07:26,390 --> 00:07:28,880 elaborate excuse. Like you must come out to dinner 140 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:30,560 tonight. We have this client in town and 141 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,320 I was like and was that the agency? 142 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:35,160 Yeah, that was the agency. Wow. 143 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:37,680 Yeah, yeah. That wouldn't go down today. 144 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:41,240 No, you can't do that today. So agents pressuring you to go 145 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:44,560 out to dinner and what on the wait front? 146 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:46,760 Yes, so I remember. And that's why it was so 147 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:50,600 refreshing to do your show. You didn't once look at me and 148 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,370 say. Yeah, that your figure's not 149 00:07:53,370 --> 00:07:55,050 going to work or you're not going to fit my clothes. 150 00:07:55,050 --> 00:07:58,850 You were just, I meant, you were so encouraging and so happy and 151 00:07:58,850 --> 00:08:02,490 enthusiastic and embracing a woman's physique. 152 00:08:02,490 --> 00:08:05,970 Whereas in Paris I'd go and I'd be booked for shows and I'd run 153 00:08:05,970 --> 00:08:09,090 to my rail and I'd look and it'd be like a wisp of material. 154 00:08:09,090 --> 00:08:12,050 And I was like, and then I got booked for jobs and then got 155 00:08:12,050 --> 00:08:15,810 cancelled because I just was too curvy in that words, which when 156 00:08:15,810 --> 00:08:17,330 I look back, I really wasn't curvy at all. 157 00:08:17,690 --> 00:08:20,530 I just had little boobs. You really weren't. 158 00:08:20,530 --> 00:08:23,380 And I had a washboard stomach, yeah. 159 00:08:24,100 --> 00:08:28,060 Abs of like you know, my abs were like and you know, I didn't 160 00:08:28,060 --> 00:08:30,060 even do anything back then, didn't even have to work out. 161 00:08:30,060 --> 00:08:34,659 I just had this amazing 6 back. So yeah, it was quite tricky. 162 00:08:34,659 --> 00:08:37,220 And then in Milan, I remember them measuring me and taking me 163 00:08:37,220 --> 00:08:39,470 into the toilet and. Measuring me saying you've got 164 00:08:39,470 --> 00:08:41,510 to lose weight and you've got to lose weight from here, and I was 165 00:08:41,510 --> 00:08:44,630 like, you were tiny and how do you lose weight from your bosom? 166 00:08:44,790 --> 00:08:46,230 Exactly. Can you just sort of say, OK, 167 00:08:46,230 --> 00:08:49,270 I'm not going to eat bread and then my boobs will shrink? 168 00:08:49,430 --> 00:08:50,950 There's no way that you can do that. 169 00:08:51,270 --> 00:08:53,230 And I was just, it just didn't sit well with me. 170 00:08:53,230 --> 00:08:56,550 I just went back to the apartment and you know, the the 171 00:08:56,550 --> 00:08:58,830 pencion and just made a big bowl of pasta and then thought, 172 00:08:58,830 --> 00:08:59,870 right, I'm getting a flight home. 173 00:09:00,430 --> 00:09:02,230 I loved my food. I still love my food. 174 00:09:02,230 --> 00:09:07,990 I'm not going to Celebrity Master Chef Winner Hello, but 175 00:09:08,030 --> 00:09:12,950 I'm loving I'm seeing more representation of our generation 176 00:09:13,310 --> 00:09:17,790 now in the modeling world because let's face it, at our 177 00:09:17,790 --> 00:09:23,470 age, she says very generously. To me, women can feel pretty 178 00:09:23,470 --> 00:09:29,750 invisible, and I'd love to hear your views on being a model 179 00:09:29,790 --> 00:09:32,470 again. Well, I haven't really stopped. 180 00:09:32,470 --> 00:09:35,750 I've just continued because I love that whole process. 181 00:09:35,750 --> 00:09:38,380 I love being on a shoe. I love the glam, I love the 182 00:09:38,380 --> 00:09:40,900 lighting, I love the whole creative process. 183 00:09:40,900 --> 00:09:43,740 I really enjoy it. So luckily for me, throughout my 184 00:09:43,740 --> 00:09:48,260 career, modeling into kind of TV, presenting into radio, I've 185 00:09:48,540 --> 00:09:52,100 still managed to shoot different campaigns and carry on with 186 00:09:52,100 --> 00:09:54,340 that. But the book is called Just 187 00:09:54,340 --> 00:09:57,700 Getting Started because in my early 40s, obviously with all 188 00:09:57,700 --> 00:09:59,860 the perimenopause symptoms that I went through, and I've been 189 00:09:59,860 --> 00:10:03,300 really vocal about that and I was very lost for quite a few 190 00:10:03,300 --> 00:10:05,940 years and there were jobs that I was saying no to. 191 00:10:06,890 --> 00:10:08,250 There's some TV. I couldn't. 192 00:10:09,130 --> 00:10:11,570 I just couldn't even bring myself to do hosting jobs, 193 00:10:11,850 --> 00:10:13,290 couldn't rely on my memory anymore. 194 00:10:13,610 --> 00:10:16,170 And then I got to 50 and people like, oh, you're turning 50 now, 195 00:10:16,170 --> 00:10:18,410 What's going to happen? You know, he's just going to 196 00:10:18,850 --> 00:10:21,090 fade into the background or just retire. 197 00:10:21,090 --> 00:10:26,410 And I was like, no, I felt at 50, the strongest I'd felt in 198 00:10:26,410 --> 00:10:28,640 years. I kind of got a handle on all my 199 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,400 perimenopause symptoms. I felt really good in myself. 200 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:33,680 I knew the little tips and tricks I needed to do in order 201 00:10:33,680 --> 00:10:37,840 to kind of hack my hormones and feel good, you know, get my 202 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:40,040 weight gained down because obviously upon a lot of weight 203 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:42,880 through the menopause. And so when I turned 50, I was 204 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:46,320 like, this is my second spring. I am just getting started. 205 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:50,160 Do not try and put me in a shelf on a shelf in the background and 206 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:53,960 just fade into the distance. So that's kind of where I'm at 207 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:56,520 now and that's why I want to champion women. 208 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:59,640 As they're getting older, to step into their second spring 209 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:02,440 and see this is a new positive phase in their life. 210 00:11:03,680 --> 00:11:06,080 You know, we don't look like we did when we were 25. 211 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:08,480 I don't feel like I did when I was 25. 212 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,680 And I and I'm happy about that because we've, you know, we're 213 00:11:11,680 --> 00:11:14,640 older, we're wiser. And I think it's that time to 214 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:18,720 reconnect with yourself and have this kind of self acceptance and 215 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:21,400 be proud of who you are and where you've come from. 216 00:11:21,680 --> 00:11:24,600 All of the warts and all, all of the battle scars that we've kind 217 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:29,210 of carried with us. Don't we wish we knew back then? 218 00:11:29,210 --> 00:11:30,410 What? We Yes. 219 00:11:30,730 --> 00:11:33,170 Exactly. All of that heartache and all of 220 00:11:33,170 --> 00:11:37,770 that comparison and it was just such a waste of time picking 221 00:11:37,770 --> 00:11:40,090 holes in ourselves. And when the scheme of things, 222 00:11:40,090 --> 00:11:42,690 it's just life's really short. I'm 51 now. 223 00:11:42,690 --> 00:11:45,330 How did that happen? If I'm going to continue to be 224 00:11:45,330 --> 00:11:48,170 at odds and and and uncomfortable with who I am, 225 00:11:48,170 --> 00:11:52,930 then such a waste. So I jump him feet first and 226 00:11:52,930 --> 00:11:55,870 grab life by the balls. So work launched. 227 00:11:55,910 --> 00:12:00,110 Fantastic Master Chef, Celebrity Master Chef Winner. 228 00:12:01,270 --> 00:12:04,870 What other little projects have you got on this year? 229 00:12:05,230 --> 00:12:06,710 You know what? I'm just saying yes to 230 00:12:06,710 --> 00:12:08,950 everything. I'm really, but at the same time 231 00:12:08,950 --> 00:12:11,270 having a nice balance because I think that, you know, when you 232 00:12:11,270 --> 00:12:14,710 get a little older, you have to just get that kind of work life 233 00:12:14,710 --> 00:12:16,470 balance kind of down a little bit more. 234 00:12:16,750 --> 00:12:20,550 So there's a documentary series that I'm hoping to produce later 235 00:12:20,550 --> 00:12:22,790 on in the year, and it is all about menopause. 236 00:12:23,230 --> 00:12:26,390 And nutrition and also different cultures, how the different 237 00:12:26,390 --> 00:12:31,510 cultures deal with the menopause and how some of it is seen as 238 00:12:31,510 --> 00:12:33,270 such a positive. And the different kind of 239 00:12:33,910 --> 00:12:37,510 cultures help each other. Yeah, love that. 240 00:12:37,590 --> 00:12:40,350 But like just globally how different it is and how. 241 00:12:40,390 --> 00:12:42,470 And so that's something that I'm really excited about. 242 00:12:43,070 --> 00:12:45,310 I might have another book of me who knows? 243 00:12:46,150 --> 00:12:49,630 Lots more stuff with Women's Health and and and hopefully 244 00:12:49,630 --> 00:12:54,000 helping women to feel. Good in themselves and to get 245 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:57,520 the right help because just a little blip, it's just a little 246 00:12:57,520 --> 00:12:59,880 phase in our lives, you know. And then we can just. 247 00:12:59,920 --> 00:13:02,840 But it can be a surprisingly long blip. 248 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:06,480 Yeah, we get it sorted. Well yeah, because you well now 249 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,600 we know a lot more than we did sort of 10 years ago nine years 250 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:11,280 ago. So a lot of women are kind of 251 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:13,800 like this could because there's sixty different symptoms and 252 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:17,240 counting with the with the perimenopause and it was 253 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:20,040 traditionally it was like your period stop. 254 00:13:20,430 --> 00:13:23,350 You have a hot flash. And they were the only real kind 255 00:13:23,350 --> 00:13:25,590 of symptoms or the signs, the warning signs. 256 00:13:25,870 --> 00:13:28,350 And also women used to think that it happened way earlier in 257 00:13:28,350 --> 00:13:30,310 the future. So it was somebody who didn't 258 00:13:30,310 --> 00:13:32,350 look like us. It was somebody very frail, old, 259 00:13:32,910 --> 00:13:35,550 really old and really frail and it and actually couldn't get out 260 00:13:35,550 --> 00:13:39,150 of bed and needed a Walker. And that's not, you know, it 261 00:13:39,150 --> 00:13:41,950 starts like probably pretty early on, like earlier than we 262 00:13:41,950 --> 00:13:44,230 think, late 30s. When your fertility starts to 263 00:13:44,230 --> 00:13:47,430 drop, you know it's when your body starts producing less 264 00:13:47,430 --> 00:13:49,990 hormones. And then from the early 40s and 265 00:13:49,990 --> 00:13:52,310 women, like I said, get misdiagnosed for years and years 266 00:13:52,310 --> 00:13:55,110 and it gets untreated. And that's when vascular 267 00:13:55,110 --> 00:13:58,670 dementia, osteoporosis, all those different conditions can 268 00:13:58,670 --> 00:14:01,390 happen. So it's all about just women 269 00:14:01,390 --> 00:14:03,670 being empowered to know what's happening, to recognize what's 270 00:14:03,670 --> 00:14:07,150 happening, to write that list, to go to the doctor, and to push 271 00:14:07,150 --> 00:14:09,510 back. Well, it's been so good to see 272 00:14:09,510 --> 00:14:11,770 you. Davina McCall. 273 00:14:11,770 --> 00:14:14,810 Mariela Frost? Yes, shouting from the rafters. 274 00:14:15,130 --> 00:14:16,970 Just brilliant. No, we keep shouting. 275 00:14:17,170 --> 00:14:20,330 Louder, louder. But today we're going on a style 276 00:14:20,330 --> 00:14:21,210 journey. Here we are. 277 00:14:21,890 --> 00:14:24,490 How did you decide what you were gonna put on today? 278 00:14:25,610 --> 00:14:29,690 Well, I knew it had to be. Amanda Wakeley, thank you. 279 00:14:30,010 --> 00:14:34,450 I'm lucky enough to have a few pieces from your collections 280 00:14:34,450 --> 00:14:37,010 over the years. I've got a lot of amazing suits. 281 00:14:37,090 --> 00:14:40,730 Like, I love one of you. I've got this red suit and I've 282 00:14:40,730 --> 00:14:42,450 got that version in one of my favorite. 283 00:14:42,490 --> 00:14:45,050 It's amazing. I've got a really beautiful, 284 00:14:45,930 --> 00:14:49,610 like a coat and I've got a couple of dresses, so I tried on 285 00:14:49,610 --> 00:14:51,450 my suit but then I thought, well, it's such a gorgeous sunny 286 00:14:51,450 --> 00:14:54,530 day, I need to wear a dress. So I put this on today. 287 00:14:55,650 --> 00:14:56,610 See, It was easy. It was easy. 288 00:14:56,610 --> 00:14:59,690 It was going to be wakely brilliant, thank you. 289 00:14:59,690 --> 00:15:05,130 So flattered. Do you remember just paging 290 00:15:05,130 --> 00:15:09,490 right back to being a child when your earliest? 291 00:15:09,570 --> 00:15:14,010 What your earliest memory was that clothes made you feel 292 00:15:14,010 --> 00:15:17,970 different? I was really and still I'm into 293 00:15:17,970 --> 00:15:22,090 accessories, so I used to always overaccessorize, so I'd go to my 294 00:15:22,450 --> 00:15:24,300 nana's. Jewelry box. 295 00:15:24,420 --> 00:15:26,780 And I'd put on her pearls and I'd put on all of her and I'd 296 00:15:26,820 --> 00:15:29,660 layer it up. And then I remember my cousin 297 00:15:29,660 --> 00:15:32,740 lived in Spain, so they had these beautiful little beaded 298 00:15:33,140 --> 00:15:34,820 bags. And I remember I just used to 299 00:15:34,820 --> 00:15:38,140 like crossbody bag with the pearls and it was always always 300 00:15:38,140 --> 00:15:42,820 overaccessorized. And then a little flamenco 301 00:15:42,820 --> 00:15:46,180 dress, little spotty flamenco dress, which we had because she 302 00:15:46,180 --> 00:15:49,580 was living in Spain and I used to wear that, but I was always. 303 00:15:50,060 --> 00:15:54,220 Had some kind of handbag jewelry and this is when I was like 5 or 304 00:15:54,220 --> 00:15:55,980 6. This isn't one as a teenager. 305 00:15:56,100 --> 00:15:58,180 And did that feel transformative to you? 306 00:15:58,340 --> 00:16:00,140 Yeah, I just loved it. It just gave me this. 307 00:16:00,140 --> 00:16:04,100 Like I just felt very grown up, very well put together. 308 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:07,920 And I was just always into looking at little trinkets and 309 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:10,120 little bits that I could adore myself with. 310 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:13,040 Little magpie, little. Magpie from the beginning, 311 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,600 absolutely. I was none aware that you were 312 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:16,520 borrowing. Her house? 313 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:18,360 Oh, yeah. Soon as I used to get to her 314 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:20,760 house, I'd run upstairs and I'd get her jury box out of the 315 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:22,680 wardrobe and I'd sit on the bed and I would just go through 316 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,440 everything. It was my thing whenever I went 317 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:27,520 around there. And then we used to go to 318 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:30,800 pantomimes at Christmas with her, so it was like a long. 319 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:34,960 Very kind of evening dress, even when I was under 10 years old, 320 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:37,240 eight, 910 years old. And so it was always very 321 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:40,000 dressy. So I I loved it. 322 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,080 I loved it. It was like a costume for me. 323 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:46,080 Was it more your grandmother than your parents? 324 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:49,160 That sort of impacted your early style, would you? 325 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:52,480 Say, I think it perhaps was, but my mom was really cool. 326 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:54,720 I remember she had a lot of kind of. 327 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:58,080 It was 80s style leather jackets like kind of like Michael 328 00:16:58,080 --> 00:16:59,920 Jackson, quite structured with the. 329 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:02,440 Shoulder pads. And I remember she had like a 330 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:05,640 perm and it was all very like 80s. 331 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:08,720 Cool, high waisted. Yeah, really cool. 332 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,480 Lots of shoulder pads. So she dressed really well. 333 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,480 My dad never spent any money on himself and he still doesn't, 334 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:16,640 but he had a really cool battered leather jacket, which I 335 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:19,599 thought was just super cool, but he used to have high waisted. 336 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:21,319 He looked like Shaggy from scooby-doo. 337 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,760 Did you ever borrow any of? His leather jacket, Yeah, as I 338 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,280 got older, that was my kind of. And he had some cool, really 339 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:30,990 sort of worn. Lumberjack kind of shirts that 340 00:17:30,990 --> 00:17:33,950 just was super old and soft and threadbare, which I loved as 341 00:17:33,950 --> 00:17:35,190 well. Just get better and better and. 342 00:17:35,270 --> 00:17:36,830 Better. And then he got rid of them 343 00:17:36,830 --> 00:17:38,230 both. One day the leather jacket. 344 00:17:38,230 --> 00:17:39,430 And I was like, where's the leather jacket? 345 00:17:39,430 --> 00:17:41,030 It's like I gave it to a charity shop. 346 00:17:41,030 --> 00:17:43,750 I was like, no. And also my mom too. 347 00:17:43,750 --> 00:17:46,710 She got rid of everything, and I would love to have used and worn 348 00:17:46,750 --> 00:17:50,270 her clothes later on, like jumpsuits and all that kind of 349 00:17:50,350 --> 00:17:51,590 power. It is, I know. 350 00:17:51,590 --> 00:17:56,900 I mean, the hoarder in me wishes I'd kept certain a Liar pieces 351 00:17:56,900 --> 00:17:58,860 from the 80s because. God, they were good. 352 00:17:58,900 --> 00:18:00,500 They were really good. Yeah. 353 00:18:00,500 --> 00:18:04,980 I mean I've kept bits and pieces from my knees and for me just to 354 00:18:04,980 --> 00:18:07,660 look at cuz you know, clothes just bring you those memories. 355 00:18:07,660 --> 00:18:10,580 But I'm like, I remember when I was there, so my 21st. 356 00:18:10,580 --> 00:18:15,940 So yeah, hang on to something. I know you famously dated George 357 00:18:15,940 --> 00:18:18,230 Clooney. I'm not going to ask about the 358 00:18:18,230 --> 00:18:21,870 relationship, but I'm fascinated to know how you navigated the 359 00:18:21,870 --> 00:18:26,470 whole red carpet experience when you were walking with him. 360 00:18:26,870 --> 00:18:29,110 Was he involved in what you wore at all? 361 00:18:29,150 --> 00:18:31,670 No. So we only ever did we did 362 00:18:32,390 --> 00:18:35,710 officially one red carpet for Oceans in Los Angeles. 363 00:18:36,110 --> 00:18:39,750 And no, he didn't have anything to do with with that dresser or 364 00:18:39,750 --> 00:18:44,310 Jenny Packham dress white with kind of embellished with little 365 00:18:44,310 --> 00:18:45,990 silver kind of crystals and beads. 366 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:50,640 Really, really pretty dress. I think I had a little pashmina 367 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:52,520 as well. But no, I think I just tried it 368 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,600 on and said, do you like it? And he was like, yeah, that's 369 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:57,760 great. And then the other one we did, I 370 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:00,320 just had a little summary dress on and that was in LA again. 371 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:01,800 But we didn't actually do the red carpet. 372 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:04,840 We just walked really fastly down the red carpet together. 373 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:06,560 Just like to try and avoid the paparazzi. 374 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:09,600 Was it intimidating doing the whole red carpet thing? 375 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:12,760 That was a huge premiere. The oceans one was was really 376 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:18,980 big, and it was. Obviously very exciting, but I 377 00:19:18,980 --> 00:19:21,460 just remember I got really excited because Prince came in 378 00:19:21,460 --> 00:19:23,860 and everyone was like, I was literally standing there with 379 00:19:23,860 --> 00:19:27,060 George and like Brad Pitt was there and it was like, you know, 380 00:19:27,060 --> 00:19:29,100 and I. It sounds really flippant, but I 381 00:19:29,100 --> 00:19:31,220 was used to hanging out with them because we've done the 382 00:19:31,260 --> 00:19:33,580 oceans. We've done a couple of the films 383 00:19:33,580 --> 00:19:35,340 and we spent time in Rome and Amsterdam. 384 00:19:35,740 --> 00:19:38,300 And I remember every there was this big Hoo ha and a big fuffle 385 00:19:38,300 --> 00:19:40,380 in the carpet and I look around and it was like Princess here 386 00:19:40,380 --> 00:19:43,220 and I was like princes. I remember it's really exciting 387 00:19:43,220 --> 00:19:46,100 and I just got very distracted watching Prince just kind of 388 00:19:46,100 --> 00:19:49,900 walk behind all of the Your boyfriend loved that and. 389 00:19:49,900 --> 00:19:51,940 It's Prince, you know. Everybody loves Prince. 390 00:19:52,300 --> 00:19:55,760 The legend. But yeah, I mean, it was, you 391 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:59,160 know, I I still find red carpet quite intimidating now. 392 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:02,960 I find it, yeah, that that sort of force of cameras isn't. 393 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:04,480 It it's a lot. It's intense. 394 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:06,320 It's it's the lights, it's the noise. 395 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:09,480 It's the they scream your name and I find that I do. 396 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:11,640 I never find myself comfortable on the red carpet. 397 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:15,760 I always get a little. Beforehand I find yeah, me, I 398 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:17,720 find my heart beats and millions. 399 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:20,500 It's not a natural, you know, it's not. 400 00:20:20,500 --> 00:20:22,260 You're just standing there and you're like over here, over 401 00:20:22,780 --> 00:20:24,780 here. And you're like you're trying to 402 00:20:24,780 --> 00:20:26,540 suck your stomach in and get a good angle of the dress. 403 00:20:26,540 --> 00:20:29,260 You spent hours getting ready. You're like, God, I look like my 404 00:20:29,260 --> 00:20:31,540 eyes are going to be closed and then we're like doing some weird 405 00:20:31,540 --> 00:20:33,140 face. So yeah, it's it's always 406 00:20:33,140 --> 00:20:36,380 intimidating regardless of where you are in the world. 407 00:20:36,420 --> 00:20:37,460 Whatever. Red carpet. 408 00:20:37,580 --> 00:20:41,380 Now on the counter to that is you spent seven years as a DJ 409 00:20:42,260 --> 00:20:46,040 Capital Radio. How did you dress for that? 410 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:50,080 Because am I correct in saying that was sort of before a lot of 411 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:54,240 social media and this is what I'm wearing to work pictures. 412 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,120 So in the beginning it was very casual. 413 00:20:57,360 --> 00:20:59,560 Obviously I still wasn't just going to rock up in my pajamas 414 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,160 and there were always be a photographer in the square when 415 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,840 you left the building, so you kind of had to be semi put 416 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:06,960 together. And I've always loved my 417 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,760 fashion, so it wasn't a problem. I'd organize my outfit the night 418 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,120 before and get it all ready because obviously it's very 419 00:21:12,120 --> 00:21:15,800 early starts, but then they started incorporating the 420 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:20,280 webcams into the studio, so then you almost had to look done. 421 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,640 Camera ready, Camera ready. So in the beginning where I 422 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,280 could, I could kind of fathom what I was wearing and and it 423 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,000 would be fine. And then by the time the end of 424 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,560 the show it happened, I'd have a bit of mascara on all my 425 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:30,960 sunglasses. And so when you left and the 426 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,040 photographers caught you, you know, you were ready. 427 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,160 But then they started to have the cameras on from about 7:30 428 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,280 in the morning. And we used to film the guests 429 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:40,760 that came in because it became very like YouTube. 430 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,780 And, you know, so then I'd have to start, like, putting makeup 431 00:21:43,780 --> 00:21:46,540 on at like 6:00 in the morning. I'd be like, through when we're 432 00:21:46,540 --> 00:21:49,220 playing the music, I'd start like, and so like 7:00 hour, I 433 00:21:49,220 --> 00:21:52,260 do my bass. 8:00 hour, I put my mascara on. 434 00:21:52,260 --> 00:21:54,380 And then it was just slowly I pieced myself together 435 00:21:54,380 --> 00:21:57,060 throughout the morning, which is frustrating because you'd just 436 00:21:57,060 --> 00:21:58,500 be able to be like, oh, you could just rock up. 437 00:21:58,500 --> 00:22:00,020 You don't have to bother about what you were. 438 00:22:00,020 --> 00:22:02,180 And I was like, that's where you're wrong. 439 00:22:02,340 --> 00:22:06,340 So, yeah, it started to get a little bit more high maintenance 440 00:22:06,340 --> 00:22:08,660 I guess. Did you dress the DJ part? 441 00:22:09,500 --> 00:22:11,060 What does that mean? What was a DJ? 442 00:22:11,100 --> 00:22:12,500 Well. We, you know, was a bit 443 00:22:12,500 --> 00:22:14,420 rock'n'roll, was it? Yeah, I guess it was at the 444 00:22:14,420 --> 00:22:15,540 time. I did have kind of. 445 00:22:15,540 --> 00:22:18,500 I love my leopard print jeans and I had like a snakeskin kind 446 00:22:18,500 --> 00:22:21,180 of red pair. And I do a lot of bikers and 447 00:22:21,180 --> 00:22:24,060 like kind of cool logo tshirts. So yes, you did. 448 00:22:24,060 --> 00:22:25,980 I guess I did. But then I also would do like a 449 00:22:25,980 --> 00:22:28,740 cute little summary dress. I mean, this is like seven days 450 00:22:28,740 --> 00:22:32,660 a week, Five days a week. You know, like it was, it was it 451 00:22:32,660 --> 00:22:34,420 was a lot and it was 7 1/2 years. 452 00:22:34,420 --> 00:22:37,710 So it was just like I had to keep churning out looks and I 453 00:22:37,710 --> 00:22:39,510 was on repeat a lot of time. I've always been quite 454 00:22:39,510 --> 00:22:42,830 sustainable with my clothing, but yeah, it was it was a lot of 455 00:22:42,830 --> 00:22:46,150 looks that I had to get through. And then there was being a judge 456 00:22:46,190 --> 00:22:50,150 on Britain's next to presenter, the host. 457 00:22:50,350 --> 00:22:52,950 Sorry, I was the Tyra. I was the British Tyra. 458 00:22:52,950 --> 00:22:56,070 Oh my goodness. So that must have had quite a 459 00:22:56,070 --> 00:22:58,710 few wardrobe pressures. Did you have a stylist? 460 00:22:59,030 --> 00:23:00,150 Yes. You had a stylist. 461 00:23:00,150 --> 00:23:03,330 I had a really good stylist. I had a great makeup artist, and 462 00:23:03,330 --> 00:23:07,690 we were really into kind of creating a new look every final. 463 00:23:08,010 --> 00:23:11,370 So the final would consist of me with the other judges. 464 00:23:11,410 --> 00:23:12,930 And that's when one girl would go home. 465 00:23:13,170 --> 00:23:15,570 I always found it so hard. I hated that part. 466 00:23:15,890 --> 00:23:19,530 Hate to get rid of these girls because they all became, it's 467 00:23:19,530 --> 00:23:21,050 heartbreaking. Yeah, I hated it. 468 00:23:21,410 --> 00:23:24,290 And then they were like, this is TV show and it's cutthroat 469 00:23:24,290 --> 00:23:25,650 industry. And I was like, yeah, and I 470 00:23:25,650 --> 00:23:27,490 appreciate that, but it was really hard. 471 00:23:28,010 --> 00:23:29,650 But yeah, I know. But they do have feelings and 472 00:23:29,650 --> 00:23:31,570 they're going to go home and they're going to be mortified. 473 00:23:32,710 --> 00:23:35,670 So yeah, it was, it was quite hard, but we did really focus on 474 00:23:35,670 --> 00:23:38,150 getting some major looks. Some of them when I look back, 475 00:23:38,150 --> 00:23:41,870 bit too major, bit too strong for TV, like a really electric 476 00:23:41,870 --> 00:23:46,430 blue eye and a very strong line and like a major kind of bask. 477 00:23:46,430 --> 00:23:48,670 And it was, but it was fun. It was stressing up again, which 478 00:23:48,670 --> 00:23:50,990 I've always loved to do. And those clothes were just 479 00:23:51,190 --> 00:23:57,030 borrowed. Yeah, I mean, you've worked in 480 00:23:57,030 --> 00:24:00,350 and around the fashion industry all your adult life, really, 481 00:24:00,350 --> 00:24:03,810 haven't you? When do you feel you really 482 00:24:03,810 --> 00:24:06,450 discovered your personal style DNA? 483 00:24:07,890 --> 00:24:10,250 That's a really good question. I think I've had moments 484 00:24:10,290 --> 00:24:16,010 throughout my life where I think this is, this is definitely very 485 00:24:16,170 --> 00:24:19,970 I I found it, this is me. But I think it's probably been 486 00:24:20,090 --> 00:24:25,610 in my 40s actually. When you just, you find yourself 487 00:24:25,610 --> 00:24:31,770 a little bit more, you know, and you I was kind of less bothered 488 00:24:31,770 --> 00:24:35,050 about trends, less worried about what people think. 489 00:24:35,530 --> 00:24:37,850 And you know, I used to always think I have to wear something 490 00:24:37,850 --> 00:24:40,610 new to this event or I have to like, you know, I could never 491 00:24:40,610 --> 00:24:43,170 feel comfortable or confident enough to wear something that 492 00:24:43,170 --> 00:24:45,370 I've already worn, whereas now I totally do. 493 00:24:45,370 --> 00:24:48,570 So maybe now, maybe this is my this is my moment where I feel 494 00:24:48,770 --> 00:24:52,850 the most comfortable. So if someone were to describe 495 00:24:52,850 --> 00:24:56,890 your style DNA in three words, what would you want those 3 496 00:24:56,890 --> 00:25:02,640 words to be? Effortless. 497 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:09,120 Love that word, which I'm not sure I can I'd like. 498 00:25:09,120 --> 00:25:10,960 I'd like to be seen as effortless. 499 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,400 It is eclectic though, because I love my tailoring. 500 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:18,240 But then I love to wear like a maxi and a bit boho. 501 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:26,280 So let's do effortless, eclectic and timeless. 502 00:25:27,060 --> 00:25:28,780 Good that they're big. Big. 503 00:25:28,900 --> 00:25:30,700 I mean somebody we're listening to going that's. 504 00:25:31,260 --> 00:25:32,940 Rubbish. No, I like that. 505 00:25:32,940 --> 00:25:36,860 That's what I aspire to being. If somebody was to yeah, sum me 506 00:25:36,860 --> 00:25:38,620 up in. 3 words. I saw something on Instagram the 507 00:25:38,620 --> 00:25:41,340 other day that that said, you know you've got to pick your 508 00:25:41,340 --> 00:25:45,980 words and you've got to buy ruthlessly to match those 3 509 00:25:45,980 --> 00:25:48,100 words and then your wardrobe will work. 510 00:25:48,860 --> 00:25:51,540 Okay. Maybe maybe try and be timeless 511 00:25:51,540 --> 00:25:53,620 now because of the pieces that I've got in my wardrobe are 512 00:25:54,260 --> 00:25:57,440 pieces that I want to wear. So I've I've stopped holding. 513 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,640 I got a new wardrobe built at the end of last year and you 514 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,440 kind of wardrobe room, whole kind of room dedicated and I 515 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:04,600 just thought I've got too much stuff. 516 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,680 I can't find what I want to wear from day-to-day and I need it so 517 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,920 just strip it back, be more simplistic and have items and 518 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,880 pieces that I love that are timeless and then it is 519 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:15,960 eclectic. So I guess it is a mixture of 520 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,760 those 3 words. And and did you actually do that 521 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:20,600 organizing yourself? Yes. 522 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:21,480 Did you? Yes. 523 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,580 Physically, yes. I had a huge culling. 524 00:26:24,580 --> 00:26:27,140 I had to get everything out of that room was which had been in 525 00:26:27,140 --> 00:26:28,940 there for 20 years. I know it was. 526 00:26:29,100 --> 00:26:30,980 It was hideous. It took about 8 months. 527 00:26:31,060 --> 00:26:34,100 Luckily, it took that time to build the wardrobe or to design 528 00:26:34,100 --> 00:26:36,460 it. I took everything out and then I 529 00:26:36,460 --> 00:26:39,060 have my three piles where I'm like charity sell. 530 00:26:39,700 --> 00:26:41,940 And did you try everything on? Pretty much. 531 00:26:42,690 --> 00:26:44,050 A lot of it did. Doesn't fit me anymore. 532 00:26:44,050 --> 00:26:45,410 And a lot of it I just was holding. 533 00:26:45,410 --> 00:26:47,210 But it but it's a great catalyst. 534 00:26:47,250 --> 00:26:50,770 Yes, saying, OK, charity show. All my sisters, yes, all my 535 00:26:50,770 --> 00:26:53,330 friends different. We're all different sizes and so 536 00:26:53,570 --> 00:26:54,770 there's something for everybody there. 537 00:26:54,770 --> 00:26:57,210 But it's so great to get rid of stuff. 538 00:26:57,210 --> 00:27:00,290 It's a brilliant experience, isn't it? 539 00:27:00,290 --> 00:27:01,690 Yeah. And then I had this blank canvas 540 00:27:01,690 --> 00:27:04,330 and then when they built the room, I could then only put 541 00:27:04,330 --> 00:27:07,930 things in that I really love. And I like if, you know, would 542 00:27:07,930 --> 00:27:09,210 you wear that today? Yes, I would. 543 00:27:09,450 --> 00:27:12,000 Or something that you think, No, I'll wear it. 544 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,000 No, get rid of it. Yeah, get rid of it. 545 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:19,800 Yeah, I mean talking about sizes and trying on our bodies change. 546 00:27:20,120 --> 00:27:23,200 You you've talked about that a lot openly. 547 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:28,520 What would you say is the secret to staying stylish as our bodies 548 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:35,560 change? I think wear clothes that suit 549 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,960 you. Try not to be too trend led 550 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,000 dress for you. You know I hate what this age 551 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:44,440 appropriate thing. I hate that saying. 552 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:48,720 I think that's just so rude. Yeah, really obnoxious where 553 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:49,720 what the hell you want, you know. 554 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,840 But I think I think a good bit of tailoring is timeless and I 555 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,160 think that you can really smarten up any look and add that 556 00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,720 confidence to your whole demeanor depending on how you 557 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,000 know, regardless of how you're feeling with a little bit of 558 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,920 tailoring. But yeah, I think it's like 559 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,760 dressing for you rather than anybody else and don't be too 560 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,340 trend led. Good answer. 561 00:28:12,700 --> 00:28:14,260 We talk about bosoms for a moment. 562 00:28:14,260 --> 00:28:16,740 We can. I can talk about bosoms forever. 563 00:28:17,460 --> 00:28:21,580 Not just for a moment. There is a reason why most high 564 00:28:21,580 --> 00:28:27,580 fashion models are pretty smaller busted, let's put it 565 00:28:27,580 --> 00:28:29,620 that way. It's easier to dress, clothes 566 00:28:29,620 --> 00:28:32,220 hang from your shoulders more effortlessly. 567 00:28:33,340 --> 00:28:36,940 But when you have bosoms, some cuts just don't work. 568 00:28:37,460 --> 00:28:38,420 Do you agree? Good. 569 00:28:38,420 --> 00:28:41,050 Absolutely. So many things that I'm unable 570 00:28:41,050 --> 00:28:42,730 to wear. And you know, some of your 571 00:28:42,730 --> 00:28:46,410 beautiful little spaghetti strap dresses in the past and just 572 00:28:46,970 --> 00:28:48,770 more delicate. Yeah, I can't wear them. 573 00:28:48,770 --> 00:28:51,890 I need scaffolding. So how do you work around it? 574 00:28:52,250 --> 00:28:54,090 I just I've got great strapless bras. 575 00:28:54,810 --> 00:28:58,650 Really good ones that don't give you 4 boobs and that don't move. 576 00:28:58,970 --> 00:29:01,330 They stay with the your boobs and the bra. 577 00:29:01,330 --> 00:29:03,450 You don't have to keep hoisting them. 578 00:29:03,730 --> 00:29:07,210 So good, good underwear is key for dressing with boobs. 579 00:29:07,750 --> 00:29:12,270 And it's annoying because I do have to buy dresses bigger to 580 00:29:12,270 --> 00:29:14,390 cater for the boobs and then sometimes I have to have them 581 00:29:14,390 --> 00:29:16,990 tailored around the waist and hips. 582 00:29:17,590 --> 00:29:20,910 But yeah, it's just about savvy dressing and also just walking 583 00:29:20,910 --> 00:29:23,150 away from rails that you just know aren't going to work for 584 00:29:23,150 --> 00:29:25,950 you, which is hard sometimes. Some of those beautiful backless 585 00:29:25,950 --> 00:29:29,430 dresses and like I said, little spaghetti straps and things. 586 00:29:29,430 --> 00:29:31,750 So yeah, I just walk away from that and I realize I just know 587 00:29:31,750 --> 00:29:35,870 my strengths and I know what I have to all of the gubbings that 588 00:29:35,870 --> 00:29:39,030 goes underneath it. So do you do a lot of deep V's? 589 00:29:39,030 --> 00:29:41,430 That type of. I can't do too, too many deep 590 00:29:41,430 --> 00:29:45,110 V's either, because some of the bras that strapless bras don't 591 00:29:45,110 --> 00:29:47,550 allow for that. These Gossard glossies, the one 592 00:29:47,550 --> 00:29:49,030 I'm wearing today is a little bit Lacy, huh? 593 00:29:49,150 --> 00:29:51,230 That's quite a good one. This is quite a deep V Yeah, 594 00:29:51,270 --> 00:29:51,990 it's quite deep. I was. 595 00:29:52,030 --> 00:29:54,030 About to say, yeah, wearing a deep V dress today. 596 00:29:54,150 --> 00:29:57,750 Yeah, it's just about. I just have to basically buy 597 00:29:57,750 --> 00:30:01,270 things, try them on with my bra or if I'm going somewhere, take 598 00:30:01,270 --> 00:30:04,390 my bras with me to the changing room so you can work out. 599 00:30:04,390 --> 00:30:06,430 So then you save time and you have to go back and return it 600 00:30:06,430 --> 00:30:08,550 and all of that. But yeah, I kind of can see now 601 00:30:08,550 --> 00:30:10,230 when I go to a rail, like, is that going to work? 602 00:30:10,230 --> 00:30:12,630 Is that going to work? Because I've been dressing for 603 00:30:12,630 --> 00:30:16,630 my boobs my whole life. I mean, you've met so many 604 00:30:16,630 --> 00:30:19,430 brilliant designers. Do you have any particular 605 00:30:19,550 --> 00:30:24,310 memorable moments from from working with any of the greats? 606 00:30:25,630 --> 00:30:30,630 No, only I remember Emmanuel Angara was hideously rude to me 607 00:30:31,210 --> 00:30:36,170 and that sticks in my mind in Paris because of my chest. 608 00:30:36,490 --> 00:30:40,690 I remember him hitting me in my chest because I was walking like 609 00:30:40,690 --> 00:30:41,770 this and he wanted me to walk like. 610 00:30:41,770 --> 00:30:44,210 He wanted me to be like concave and I was like. 611 00:30:45,010 --> 00:30:48,970 Minimize your bosom. And I just didn't fit his 612 00:30:49,050 --> 00:30:51,370 aesthetic. I don't think I ever would. 613 00:30:51,730 --> 00:30:55,410 And I remember him being really nasty and I literally left there 614 00:30:55,410 --> 00:30:57,170 in tears and just got straight on the Eurostar home. 615 00:30:57,170 --> 00:30:58,250 And I was like, that's it, I'm done. 616 00:30:58,250 --> 00:30:59,610 I'm done with Paris. I'm done. 617 00:31:00,390 --> 00:31:02,870 There's only so much. And I was, I was a kid then, you 618 00:31:02,870 --> 00:31:06,990 know I wasn't even 20 and that's really brutal to be treated that 619 00:31:07,830 --> 00:31:09,990 badly, you know, But, but but most of it was. 620 00:31:09,990 --> 00:31:11,710 I've got beautiful memories of modeling. 621 00:31:11,710 --> 00:31:13,310 I'm the fashion industry and designers. 622 00:31:13,590 --> 00:31:15,870 It's just a little few snippets here and there, which obviously 623 00:31:15,870 --> 00:31:18,870 you remember more when you kind of talk about it. 624 00:31:19,430 --> 00:31:22,110 Probably just still need a bit of therapy over. 625 00:31:22,110 --> 00:31:25,030 It PTSD, yeah, PTSD from up from Paris. 626 00:31:25,030 --> 00:31:27,790 But most of the time it was amazing and I got to travel so 627 00:31:27,790 --> 00:31:30,110 much and wear beautiful clothes and. 628 00:31:30,150 --> 00:31:34,030 Do you have a wonderful archive of pieces that you were gifted 629 00:31:34,030 --> 00:31:36,670 through because there wasn't? There was a time back then, 630 00:31:36,670 --> 00:31:40,830 probably when you first started, when you would perhaps be gifted 631 00:31:40,830 --> 00:31:43,990 in clothes rather than even be paid a fee for a show. 632 00:31:43,990 --> 00:31:46,390 So I do. I have some in. 633 00:31:46,430 --> 00:31:48,230 I have some tucked away. I've got some. 634 00:31:48,230 --> 00:31:50,470 I've got some beautiful Cavalli bits and pieces. 635 00:31:50,470 --> 00:31:54,110 When I used to go to to Milan and we used to get dressed for 636 00:31:54,110 --> 00:31:56,630 the show. Got some Fendi pieces, Bella 637 00:31:56,630 --> 00:31:59,510 Freud from back in the day, some beautiful shoes, little 638 00:31:59,510 --> 00:32:04,630 platform, kind of sling backs and a couple of suits, maybe 639 00:32:04,630 --> 00:32:07,110 some westward. Yeah, I have got some bits and 640 00:32:07,110 --> 00:32:08,670 pieces. So they're hoarded. 641 00:32:08,750 --> 00:32:10,990 They are hoarded, but they're safely hoarded. 642 00:32:10,990 --> 00:32:12,470 And I. They're archived. 643 00:32:12,470 --> 00:32:14,990 They're archived basically. Yeah, in the loft, if that 644 00:32:14,990 --> 00:32:17,450 counts. And then I always preferred 645 00:32:17,450 --> 00:32:19,010 cash. So I was always like, if it's a 646 00:32:19,010 --> 00:32:21,650 choice, I'll take the cash. I don't need the clothes. 647 00:32:21,690 --> 00:32:23,810 I love the clothes. I'll wear them for the show, but 648 00:32:24,090 --> 00:32:25,290 I'll take the cash. Thank you. 649 00:32:26,410 --> 00:32:29,250 What do you reach for when you need to feel empowered? 650 00:32:31,610 --> 00:32:35,050 It's always a suit and a good spray of put perfume. 651 00:32:35,050 --> 00:32:36,410 A rose in a while from where we don't. 652 00:32:36,530 --> 00:32:40,490 Is it a trouser suit? Yeah, always, always a pantsuit. 653 00:32:40,490 --> 00:32:41,850 And I love a trainer with a pantsuit. 654 00:32:42,300 --> 00:32:44,460 I love it. Simple tshirt, round neck 655 00:32:44,460 --> 00:32:47,020 tshirt, beautiful cotton. Nice bit tailoring. 656 00:32:47,020 --> 00:32:49,180 Done. So who's your simple tshirt by 657 00:32:49,460 --> 00:32:53,100 attorney? It's a lady from Los Angeles. 658 00:32:53,100 --> 00:32:55,900 She does the best, best tshirts. You have to take them out. 659 00:32:55,900 --> 00:32:58,300 She's got a whole range now, but they're beautiful. 660 00:32:58,300 --> 00:33:00,180 Cotton. She does black, Gray and white. 661 00:33:00,620 --> 00:33:02,540 And you can do long sleeves, short sleeves. 662 00:33:02,540 --> 00:33:04,820 I like the short round neck. Stunning. 663 00:33:05,020 --> 00:33:07,140 She's a stylist in Los Angeles. She's fantastic. 664 00:33:08,380 --> 00:33:11,050 Do you have a style icon? I don't know. 665 00:33:11,050 --> 00:33:12,850 If I do. I don't know if I do have a 666 00:33:12,850 --> 00:33:15,970 style icon. I do. 667 00:33:17,530 --> 00:33:18,890 I love Sienna Miller. I love. 668 00:33:18,890 --> 00:33:20,970 I love a lot of kind of like British girls. 669 00:33:20,970 --> 00:33:24,730 I love Amanda Wakely. Manda Wakely. 670 00:33:25,250 --> 00:33:26,050 No, I do. I've always. 671 00:33:27,450 --> 00:33:29,490 I love you, Amanda. You're my style icon. 672 00:33:31,090 --> 00:33:31,850 You know what? It's different. 673 00:33:31,850 --> 00:33:33,210 Women. I love kind of Julianne Moore. 674 00:33:33,210 --> 00:33:34,930 I think she dresses really beautifully. 675 00:33:35,210 --> 00:33:36,530 Is it? Yeah, super chic. 676 00:33:36,530 --> 00:33:38,890 I love Isabel Moran though, too. I love her style. 677 00:33:38,890 --> 00:33:40,970 I love her. Always love her collections. 678 00:33:41,650 --> 00:33:44,810 Emmanuelle Alt. Yeah, she's cool. 679 00:33:44,850 --> 00:33:46,850 Yeah, she's cool. That kind of effortless, 680 00:33:46,850 --> 00:33:51,650 timeless bit rock'n'roll. And a bit sexy, sexy, sexy older 681 00:33:51,650 --> 00:33:53,610 woman just just looking, rocking it. 682 00:33:53,610 --> 00:33:55,650 So yeah. Do you think your styles changed 683 00:33:55,650 --> 00:33:57,610 through the decades? Yeah, it's definitely changed. 684 00:33:57,610 --> 00:33:59,570 I think I've got more confident as I've gotten older. 685 00:33:59,570 --> 00:34:04,800 I feel like I've found my thing which, which is, you know, good 686 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,400 tailoring, a little bit of print. 687 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,080 Yeah, It's definitely evolved, I think. 688 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,199 I don't know. I think I look back at pictures 689 00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:14,199 and there was some terrible fashion mistakes. 690 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,000 Oh. Tell me so I think, I think, 691 00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:19,159 yeah. I think it was a couple of like 692 00:34:19,159 --> 00:34:21,560 premieres when I was host, you know, like on the red carpet 693 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:26,590 hosting and I think I tried to go too themed, like quite 694 00:34:26,590 --> 00:34:29,590 literally I would dress like Shaggy from scooby-doo with the 695 00:34:29,590 --> 00:34:32,429 red cords and a little kind of pale denim jacket. 696 00:34:32,429 --> 00:34:34,230 And I was like it was for the scooby-doo premiere. 697 00:34:34,230 --> 00:34:36,350 So I was like, OK, let me just go in theme. 698 00:34:36,630 --> 00:34:38,989 And then it was like Dukes of Hazzard and I had like, you 699 00:34:38,989 --> 00:34:44,310 know, a bustier with a denim. Yeah, it was, it was tacky and 700 00:34:44,310 --> 00:34:46,670 two themed. We had a great night. 701 00:34:47,429 --> 00:34:49,150 Have you been to the Barbie movie yet? 702 00:34:49,460 --> 00:34:50,340 No, I haven't. No. 703 00:34:50,540 --> 00:34:51,060 OK. I'm. 704 00:34:51,540 --> 00:34:52,900 So you've saved your pink moment. 705 00:34:52,900 --> 00:34:54,780 I've saved my pink moment. I went to the Oppenheimer 706 00:34:54,780 --> 00:34:56,699 premiere instead. And of seeing Barbie. 707 00:34:56,699 --> 00:34:58,020 I think you're either Barbie or Oppenheimer. 708 00:34:58,020 --> 00:34:59,380 Very different films. Yeah. 709 00:35:01,060 --> 00:35:05,780 And sort of as the years of crept by, how has your hair 710 00:35:05,780 --> 00:35:08,620 makeup changed? I mean, do you do you intend to 711 00:35:08,860 --> 00:35:11,860 lob your hair off at any point or I go this? 712 00:35:12,020 --> 00:35:14,420 Amazing Main Thank you. I go through phases. 713 00:35:14,420 --> 00:35:17,420 I cut it last year when it was really thin. 714 00:35:18,260 --> 00:35:20,620 I'd noticed it from the menopause and from COVID and it 715 00:35:20,620 --> 00:35:23,060 got really thin and was falling out quite a lot. 716 00:35:23,220 --> 00:35:25,700 So the ends of it, which has gone quite wispy. 717 00:35:25,700 --> 00:35:29,380 So I cut it off quite short. I'm not precious about my hair. 718 00:35:29,540 --> 00:35:32,940 I think a good chop a couple of times a year is so good for it. 719 00:35:33,380 --> 00:35:34,740 So who knows? Never say never. 720 00:35:34,740 --> 00:35:36,260 I'm quite open to a change of hair. 721 00:35:36,540 --> 00:35:40,940 As far as makeup goes, I used to love doing a black flick. 722 00:35:41,630 --> 00:35:43,790 Now it's really hard to do it because obviously the eyes have 723 00:35:43,790 --> 00:35:45,910 moved down. So when I do it I have to like 724 00:35:45,910 --> 00:35:47,630 really and plus my eyesights going. 725 00:35:47,630 --> 00:35:49,470 So there's all these fun things to contend with. 726 00:35:49,470 --> 00:35:51,910 That's a magnifying mirror. It's a magnifying mirror. 727 00:35:51,910 --> 00:35:53,630 But then you're holding your eye and then you're trying to and 728 00:35:53,630 --> 00:35:55,790 then when you let the eye go and you're like, oh, so the lines 729 00:35:55,790 --> 00:35:59,590 don't kind of flick effortlessly upwards like they used to. 730 00:35:59,590 --> 00:36:03,510 Used to love that black line. So now I'm more about creams and 731 00:36:03,710 --> 00:36:05,950 and like creamy. It's nothing that's going to sit 732 00:36:05,990 --> 00:36:12,100 in the lines, more dewy, dewy complexion, creamy eye shadow 733 00:36:12,100 --> 00:36:13,380 that you can just blend really easy. 734 00:36:13,380 --> 00:36:15,820 A little bit of coal, loads of mascara that will never change, 735 00:36:15,820 --> 00:36:20,380 a good brow and just yeah, like bronzing bombs and blushes that 736 00:36:20,380 --> 00:36:23,020 are of a nice texture just to add that car. 737 00:36:23,460 --> 00:36:26,380 We don't want to dull down that skin that's already fighting to 738 00:36:26,380 --> 00:36:31,060 be dull. Yes, You're having a debate with 739 00:36:31,060 --> 00:36:32,980 it. Yeah, I'm like, no, only creamy, 740 00:36:33,340 --> 00:36:38,330 creamy Consistencies please. And what is the one item of 741 00:36:38,330 --> 00:36:41,010 clothing that means the most to you? 742 00:36:41,490 --> 00:36:43,410 I love. I've got a little Isabel Moran 743 00:36:44,330 --> 00:36:47,610 leather jacket, which I love, which is really battered and 744 00:36:47,610 --> 00:36:50,610 old, and it's kind of got a cropped sleeve. 745 00:36:52,410 --> 00:36:54,530 And I just, yeah, I love that. I love that. 746 00:36:54,530 --> 00:36:58,690 But I don't know, It's a tricky one I'm not too hung up on. 747 00:36:59,690 --> 00:37:01,170 I don't know. I think it's quite good to kind 748 00:37:01,170 --> 00:37:05,210 of, yeah, I try to be less, you know, attached to that sort of 749 00:37:05,210 --> 00:37:07,530 stuff these days. I thought of that when I 750 00:37:07,530 --> 00:37:09,690 realized my car would be nicked this morning. 751 00:37:10,250 --> 00:37:12,050 Like car. Who needs a? 752 00:37:12,050 --> 00:37:14,850 Car stuff. It's only stuff, exactly. 753 00:37:15,490 --> 00:37:17,810 I mean, you lead an incredibly busy life. 754 00:37:17,810 --> 00:37:20,370 One minute you're on television, the next you're modeling, the 755 00:37:20,370 --> 00:37:24,890 next you're promoting your book. You phenomenally organized about 756 00:37:24,970 --> 00:37:28,010 planning your wardrobe, planning your looks. 757 00:37:28,170 --> 00:37:31,130 I am quite organized. I think now that I've I've got 758 00:37:31,130 --> 00:37:35,800 more organization in my life with the closet, it's easier to 759 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,720 get dressed, it's easier to pack, it's easier to plan 760 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,600 because I can go to my dress rail or my suit rail and be like 761 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:43,880 okay, That's going to work for that. 762 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:45,520 And then it just takes that pressure off. 763 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,280 Or if I've got premier and I think none of those dresses 764 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:49,800 work, I need to borrow something. 765 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,080 I'll then put that in motion and I sometimes use a stylist 766 00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:56,320 because then she can just call in lots of bits for me and it to 767 00:37:56,320 --> 00:38:00,240 take off that pressure. But that's kind of more premier 768 00:38:00,240 --> 00:38:03,260 red carpet. The rest of it, I kind of do it 769 00:38:03,260 --> 00:38:10,860 myself and try to be organized. And when you not quite sure of 770 00:38:10,860 --> 00:38:13,940 how something looks, who do you most trust for an opinion, 771 00:38:13,980 --> 00:38:17,060 George, my fiance has got amazing style. 772 00:38:17,140 --> 00:38:19,180 Oh, that's so lovely. He's great. 773 00:38:19,180 --> 00:38:22,420 I'm like, gonna borrow you for a second, George. 774 00:38:22,500 --> 00:38:25,100 Like yelling up to him. Is he kind in the way he 775 00:38:25,100 --> 00:38:27,820 delivers? He's kind, but he's also really 776 00:38:27,860 --> 00:38:30,640 quite frank as well. So that's not quite. 777 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,280 Yeah. He's like, he's like, why would 778 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,240 you? No, you've got so many other 779 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:35,160 things. Why would you? 780 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:37,880 It's like, no, no, you need to get rid of these dresses. 781 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:39,160 They don't do anything for your figure. 782 00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:40,600 You need to show your legs, your legs. 783 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,000 He's really brutal, man. I. 784 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:45,920 Love it. Fantastically pragmatic in the 785 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:47,920 way they deliver that message, aren't they? 786 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,200 He's like, no more. He loves this because it's sort 787 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,800 of, you know, you can see. I mean, it's not like I want you 788 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:55,600 to look really slutty or anything. 789 00:38:55,680 --> 00:39:00,770 That's always he just thinks, wear clothes that do something 790 00:39:00,770 --> 00:39:02,490 for your figure rather than some of these and. 791 00:39:02,490 --> 00:39:04,450 Show your best bit, Yeah, show your best bit. 792 00:39:04,450 --> 00:39:07,130 So yeah, he's very honest and I always trust him. 793 00:39:07,130 --> 00:39:08,450 Oh. That's lovely. 794 00:39:08,690 --> 00:39:12,050 And let's just talk about travel for a moment, sort of as a well 795 00:39:12,050 --> 00:39:15,490 known face. Are you very aware of an airport 796 00:39:15,490 --> 00:39:19,770 Look what your airport look will be, that you'll be spotted 797 00:39:20,050 --> 00:39:22,250 walking through the airport. No, I don't think about that. 798 00:39:22,450 --> 00:39:25,250 I don't think about that. I think about being comfortable 799 00:39:26,660 --> 00:39:28,860 mostly. I love a kind of pajama suit. 800 00:39:28,900 --> 00:39:35,700 Like a pajama like code for travel and good luggage, 801 00:39:35,740 --> 00:39:39,180 obviously. I usually take a little trolley 802 00:39:39,180 --> 00:39:42,620 Dolly hand luggage with the zip so I can change clothes as well. 803 00:39:42,620 --> 00:39:44,620 So if it's a long distance flight, I'll have a change of 804 00:39:44,620 --> 00:39:46,380 clothes. Please don't tell me you pack 805 00:39:46,460 --> 00:39:50,850 for 10 days into. Just a travel hold all not ten 806 00:39:50,850 --> 00:39:54,370 days, but I have been trying to do hand luggage recently so for 807 00:39:54,490 --> 00:39:57,530 like a four day trip I managed to get everything into a hold 808 00:39:57,530 --> 00:39:59,090 all and I was so proud of myself. 809 00:39:59,170 --> 00:40:01,890 Bag is this. It's it's like a Louis Vuitton, 810 00:40:02,490 --> 00:40:05,930 just a little suitcase that goes over the in the overhead lumber. 811 00:40:06,290 --> 00:40:08,210 It's really impressive. It's so good though, when you've 812 00:40:08,210 --> 00:40:11,890 worn everything. And So what tips would you give? 813 00:40:12,340 --> 00:40:15,540 For getting that absolutely right, I would plan your looks. 814 00:40:15,540 --> 00:40:17,060 What are you doing? Where are you going? 815 00:40:17,060 --> 00:40:18,220 Are you going to the beach? Okay. 816 00:40:18,220 --> 00:40:21,660 Take one cover up, one bikini for that day, Change of clothes 817 00:40:21,900 --> 00:40:25,380 for the evening? Make sure that your sandals work 818 00:40:25,500 --> 00:40:28,900 multiple times throughout that trip so you can only take three. 819 00:40:28,900 --> 00:40:32,660 Perhaps always take a comfy. I always love my haviannas 820 00:40:32,660 --> 00:40:34,540 because they're just super easy and even though you take other 821 00:40:34,540 --> 00:40:36,740 sandals, it's just easy just to throw them on. 822 00:40:37,460 --> 00:40:40,750 Just a couple of cover ups that really roll up easily and then 823 00:40:40,750 --> 00:40:43,630 just be minimalist with your toiletries. 824 00:40:44,150 --> 00:40:45,990 Yeah, that's that's one of the trickiest things. 825 00:40:45,990 --> 00:40:46,990 It's one of the trickiest things. 826 00:40:46,990 --> 00:40:50,350 It's like you think you could buy your sun cream there if you 827 00:40:50,350 --> 00:40:52,310 need it without, you know, face 1A, good face. 828 00:40:52,310 --> 00:40:55,070 One is always good to take. And that the HRT is the one 829 00:40:55,070 --> 00:40:56,950 that's usually the trickiest thing because obviously, you 830 00:40:56,950 --> 00:40:58,230 know, they're getting the right sizes. 831 00:40:58,230 --> 00:41:00,070 And if you've got your big gel, which I've never had, I've 832 00:41:00,070 --> 00:41:02,030 always had the little Anzeto spray. 833 00:41:03,030 --> 00:41:04,430 Yeah, all of that. But you know what? 834 00:41:04,430 --> 00:41:06,350 I traveled at the weekend. I didn't have to take any of my 835 00:41:06,350 --> 00:41:07,830 toiletries out of the bag anymore. 836 00:41:08,030 --> 00:41:10,490 You can leave them in your hand luggage. 837 00:41:10,490 --> 00:41:12,450 I was like, where's the little plastic Peggy thing? 838 00:41:12,450 --> 00:41:14,370 Where's the little plastic bag? And they were like, no, you 839 00:41:14,370 --> 00:41:15,210 don't need that. Keep it all. 840 00:41:15,210 --> 00:41:19,210 And I was like, yes, finally. Yes, because I've I hate it when 841 00:41:19,210 --> 00:41:22,130 people say, well, it doesn't all fit in your plastic bag. 842 00:41:22,130 --> 00:41:24,010 You're going to have to throw something and then I'll give it 843 00:41:24,010 --> 00:41:26,410 to George. Take this like, throw it in his 844 00:41:26,410 --> 00:41:27,850 bag. But you don't need to do that 845 00:41:27,850 --> 00:41:29,170 anymore. So I think it's just about being 846 00:41:29,170 --> 00:41:31,810 organized and planning your looks while you're away. 847 00:41:31,810 --> 00:41:34,370 And it's it's the most. It's brilliant because so many 848 00:41:34,370 --> 00:41:37,490 times you've got your suitcase, it takes so long to pack, then 849 00:41:37,490 --> 00:41:40,170 it takes ages to unpack and then when you pack it all back up and 850 00:41:40,170 --> 00:41:43,050 you think I haven't worn that, haven't worn that and you decide 851 00:41:43,050 --> 00:41:46,250 well. I get real stress about what if 852 00:41:46,250 --> 00:41:48,290 this bag. I never see this bag again. 853 00:41:48,530 --> 00:41:51,090 Am I going to be devastated by what's in it? 854 00:41:51,090 --> 00:41:53,570 And then you think it's stuff. Yeah, it's stuff. 855 00:41:53,610 --> 00:41:55,970 And my tip would be, if you are going on a beach holiday, is 856 00:41:55,970 --> 00:41:58,410 always pack your favorite bikini and your cover up in your hand 857 00:41:58,410 --> 00:41:59,330 luggage. Totally. 858 00:41:59,330 --> 00:42:01,410 Because then if you get to where you're going, at least you can 859 00:42:01,410 --> 00:42:03,810 just chill out by the beach all day or by the pool. 860 00:42:04,260 --> 00:42:06,980 Cool, safe sun. And then when Then when? 861 00:42:06,980 --> 00:42:08,940 Because always if you're shopping for a bikini. 862 00:42:09,140 --> 00:42:11,020 There's nothing worse than shopping for a bikini in a 863 00:42:11,020 --> 00:42:13,580 hurry. Yeah, in a in a strange place 864 00:42:13,580 --> 00:42:14,700 and you're like, well that doesn't fit. 865 00:42:14,700 --> 00:42:17,140 And you know, I love the fact that you can buy different size 866 00:42:17,140 --> 00:42:19,460 tops and bottoms and mix and match and things like that. 867 00:42:19,460 --> 00:42:21,820 So always take your favorite bits in your hand luggage. 868 00:42:22,140 --> 00:42:24,100 If you're checking in a bag, that would be my top tip. 869 00:42:24,500 --> 00:42:28,020 Love that. Would you say you have a brand 870 00:42:28,020 --> 00:42:30,940 that's a guilty secret? Do you mean like a High Street 871 00:42:30,940 --> 00:42:32,020 brand or something? Yes. 872 00:42:33,330 --> 00:42:36,370 Or a very extravagant brand. I mean, I dip in and out. 873 00:42:36,370 --> 00:42:38,610 I can find something everywhere. I'm. 874 00:42:38,610 --> 00:42:41,010 I'm not very brand loyal. I do. 875 00:42:41,290 --> 00:42:43,930 I do love, you know, I can go to Zara. 876 00:42:43,930 --> 00:42:49,650 I can go all over the place. Yeah, I know there's no guilty 877 00:42:49,650 --> 00:42:50,530 secret for me. I'm. 878 00:42:50,530 --> 00:42:53,130 I'm super open about where I shop and I'll just go. 879 00:42:53,130 --> 00:42:55,530 I can find something everywhere. Do you feel you've got an 880 00:42:55,530 --> 00:42:57,290 excessive amount of anything in your wardrobe? 881 00:42:57,850 --> 00:43:00,290 I've probably got too many dresses. 882 00:43:01,090 --> 00:43:03,740 Shoes. Shoes I've been quite good with 883 00:43:03,740 --> 00:43:07,460 recently because I've, you know, I think since lockdown I barely 884 00:43:07,460 --> 00:43:10,340 wear heels. Or when I do, I mean agony. 885 00:43:10,740 --> 00:43:13,500 So I've just started to just get rid of the ones that are. 886 00:43:13,500 --> 00:43:15,220 Feet don't last beyond two hours. 887 00:43:15,220 --> 00:43:19,220 I find since since lockdown my feet have changed shape, or 888 00:43:19,220 --> 00:43:22,060 they've got bigger, or the shoes I used to buy were too small. 889 00:43:22,060 --> 00:43:24,500 I don't know what it is, but it's like I just want to be 890 00:43:24,500 --> 00:43:26,580 comfortable. I don't mind a little ankle boot 891 00:43:26,580 --> 00:43:30,090 and a little heel, a chunky heel, but a tiny little where 892 00:43:30,090 --> 00:43:32,410 I'm kind of tottering around. I'm thinking, I'm sitting there 893 00:43:32,410 --> 00:43:34,170 having dinner. I think I need to go to the 894 00:43:34,170 --> 00:43:35,410 bathroom. How many you get from here to 895 00:43:35,410 --> 00:43:38,930 here? And I'm like how every step is 896 00:43:38,970 --> 00:43:41,290 painful. So I used to have excessive 897 00:43:41,290 --> 00:43:43,530 amount of shoes and I've no longer purchased them. 898 00:43:43,530 --> 00:43:44,770 I've probably got too many handbags. 899 00:43:44,770 --> 00:43:47,490 I do love a handbag. Love a handbag? 900 00:43:48,850 --> 00:43:51,690 Have you ever? Justified and expensive purchase 901 00:43:51,690 --> 00:43:53,690 with pounds per wear. Yeah, all the time. 902 00:43:54,290 --> 00:43:55,130 All the time. I love that. 903 00:43:55,130 --> 00:43:57,130 Pounds per wear for me. I'm like, and my friends were 904 00:43:57,130 --> 00:44:00,210 all really guilty of enabling each other to purchase things. 905 00:44:00,210 --> 00:44:01,850 We're like when you think about it. 906 00:44:02,370 --> 00:44:04,010 We're using it all day, every day. 907 00:44:04,010 --> 00:44:06,290 It's like, you know, so yeah, I do that all the time, but with 908 00:44:06,290 --> 00:44:08,250 like beautiful pieces that are quality. 909 00:44:08,250 --> 00:44:10,370 Because I think if you buy quality, you're obviously buying 910 00:44:10,370 --> 00:44:13,570 less hopefully and you're living a more sustainable life and 911 00:44:13,570 --> 00:44:16,330 you're buying things that you love and that you can you maybe 912 00:44:16,330 --> 00:44:19,350 pass down as well. Talking about sustainable, 913 00:44:19,350 --> 00:44:21,990 what's your approach to sustainable fashion? 914 00:44:22,150 --> 00:44:24,230 Well, I think, you know, as I mentioned before, I used to 915 00:44:24,230 --> 00:44:26,870 always think I need to wear something new to every occasion. 916 00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:30,310 And now I think it's about quality pieces that you can wear 917 00:44:30,310 --> 00:44:34,150 time and time again and that kind of work together as well. 918 00:44:34,430 --> 00:44:36,870 So with your suits, you know, you can wear the pants on their 919 00:44:36,870 --> 00:44:38,990 own with a beautiful tshirt or lovely blouse. 920 00:44:39,510 --> 00:44:41,590 The jacket, you can split it up and wear it with jeans, wear 921 00:44:41,590 --> 00:44:42,910 over on your shoulders with a dress. 922 00:44:42,910 --> 00:44:45,360 I think it's about looking at your wardrobe and how it all 923 00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,720 works together. Kind of more of a capsule kind 924 00:44:47,720 --> 00:44:51,080 of attitude. So yeah, that's kind of how I 925 00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:54,440 try to shop now, and that's my attitude when it comes to being 926 00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:56,480 sustainable. It's like quality pieces and 927 00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,280 less stuff. Because as an influencer with 928 00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:04,200 443,000 followers and counting on Instagram. 929 00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,760 You must get gifted all the time. 930 00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,520 And how do you control what arrives on your doorstep? 931 00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:11,800 That's quite tricky because I do get gifted a lot. 932 00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,400 And it's not to say I don't appreciate it, but sometimes 933 00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:18,640 there's just too much stuff. So sometimes people ask you, I'd 934 00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,200 love to gift you this, Are you open to that? 935 00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,640 And I have to say no, because I just don't want any more bits in 936 00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,040 my wardrobe. And I say, you know, thank you 937 00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:27,480 very much. Maybe I'll check in with you in 938 00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,240 a few months if, you know, I just try and be polite in that 939 00:45:30,240 --> 00:45:33,960 way because I don't want to be disrespectful, but I just, it's 940 00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,440 just so much stuff and beauty stuff too. 941 00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,440 Yeah. When one little product comes in 942 00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,880 a huge box and I'm just like, Oh my God, this is such a waste, 943 00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:44,240 and then you feel so guilty because they're recycling 944 00:45:44,240 --> 00:45:46,720 outside the house. People are like, Jesus, there's 945 00:45:46,720 --> 00:45:49,680 two of them living in there. So, yeah, I'm trying. 946 00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:51,680 I'm more mindful of that, for sure. 947 00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:53,800 What do you do with your clothes when you've had enough of them? 948 00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:58,200 I either we gift them to people, give them to my sisters. 949 00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,770 I've got two sisters. I've got friends I used to 950 00:46:02,010 --> 00:46:04,130 charity. I love giving it to the local 951 00:46:04,130 --> 00:46:06,610 charity stores because we've got quite a few in our High Street 952 00:46:06,970 --> 00:46:09,250 and I really love when they send the e-mail through to tell you 953 00:46:09,250 --> 00:46:11,810 how much they've raised through the sales of your clothes. 954 00:46:11,810 --> 00:46:13,610 Lovely. Which charity shop is that? 955 00:46:13,930 --> 00:46:17,170 So the Heart Foundation, the British Heart Foundation, Scope. 956 00:46:17,810 --> 00:46:20,090 There's obviously Oxfam. This was quite a few on my on my 957 00:46:20,090 --> 00:46:22,810 High Street and I think it's just it's just really nice to 958 00:46:22,810 --> 00:46:24,290 know that they're making a lot of money. 959 00:46:24,290 --> 00:46:26,410 And you divide your Yeah. Oh, lovely. 960 00:46:26,410 --> 00:46:28,210 Yeah. I try and divide it, yeah. 961 00:46:28,650 --> 00:46:31,730 And I just give them loads of stuff load it took. 962 00:46:31,770 --> 00:46:33,770 It's a great feeling, isn't it Great? 963 00:46:33,770 --> 00:46:38,210 Feeling I took some wakely in which charity shop is that? 964 00:46:38,210 --> 00:46:41,730 Everybody take no sitting anxiously outside the store. 965 00:46:41,730 --> 00:46:45,050 And then I took something else in and the girl in there was so 966 00:46:45,050 --> 00:46:46,410 sweet. She said, My God, all the 967 00:46:46,410 --> 00:46:49,290 Chelsea Yummy mummies went absolutely bunk. 968 00:46:49,570 --> 00:46:50,850 Sure. They did a whole like window. 969 00:46:51,010 --> 00:46:53,570 And I've walked past the windows of the charity shops and they've 970 00:46:53,570 --> 00:46:56,320 put stuff in the window and I'm like, and it all looks really 971 00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,120 beautiful. They've dressed it and I almost 972 00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,000 want to go back in there and play it back. 973 00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,800 I want to buy back my dress. I should have kept out of it. 974 00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:04,640 But yeah, it looks great and I'm like, you know, do. 975 00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:06,640 You ever sell? Yeah, I sell. 976 00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:10,840 And which platforms? So I've sold on vintage Vestier 977 00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:12,560 Circle. The circle's a great one. 978 00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,960 It's a new one. It's CIRKLE. 979 00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:20,560 Yeah, definitely. Do you have a particular piece 980 00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,040 in your wardrobe that means the most to you? 981 00:47:24,140 --> 00:47:29,180 Well, I love the leather biker and I'm trying to think. 982 00:47:30,180 --> 00:47:32,940 I think some of my suits, I just think they're so timeless. 983 00:47:32,940 --> 00:47:35,540 I just want to keep them looking lovely forever. 984 00:47:35,540 --> 00:47:37,500 But there's there's nothing that I walk in there. 985 00:47:37,500 --> 00:47:39,100 It's not like a Sarah Jessica Parker. 986 00:47:39,100 --> 00:47:43,020 And I'm like, hello lovely and you kind of like wrap it around 987 00:47:43,020 --> 00:47:44,700 yourself. It's like, you know, I just, I 988 00:47:44,700 --> 00:47:46,380 have got some really lovely bits. 989 00:47:46,380 --> 00:47:50,740 But yeah, I'm not too hung up on anyone, am I? 990 00:47:51,580 --> 00:47:54,460 Couple of coats maybe. Yeah, I don't know. 991 00:47:54,980 --> 00:47:57,420 But not one particular was your father's jacket. 992 00:47:57,420 --> 00:47:58,980 Or no, I don't have anything like that. 993 00:47:58,980 --> 00:48:00,900 Unfortunate. I wish I would have had some of 994 00:48:00,900 --> 00:48:02,460 the pieces that my mom used to have. 995 00:48:02,460 --> 00:48:05,220 And if I had my dad's leather biker, that would be treasured 996 00:48:05,220 --> 00:48:08,860 forever. Let's move on some quick fire 997 00:48:08,860 --> 00:48:10,460 questions. I'm terrible at these. 998 00:48:10,540 --> 00:48:12,980 It's all right, you can. I'm sure you'll be good. 999 00:48:13,940 --> 00:48:17,260 What fashion advice would you give to your 20 year old self? 1000 00:48:18,580 --> 00:48:23,230 Where do I start? Oh gosh. 1001 00:48:23,230 --> 00:48:24,430 Quick file. Quick file, Okay. 1002 00:48:24,430 --> 00:48:25,790 That's why I'm terrible at these things. 1003 00:48:25,790 --> 00:48:27,430 So there's always like, is it yes or is it no? 1004 00:48:27,430 --> 00:48:34,830 It's just to say it just do you just do you just keep doing. 1005 00:48:34,830 --> 00:48:36,190 You just keep making those mistakes. 1006 00:48:36,190 --> 00:48:38,910 It doesn't matter. Which fashion trend would you 1007 00:48:39,030 --> 00:48:44,430 most like to make a comeback? God, I don't know either, I 1008 00:48:44,430 --> 00:48:45,430 said. I told you I'm terrible at these 1009 00:48:45,430 --> 00:48:48,270 things because I love the 80s, but I still am very much in 1010 00:48:48,270 --> 00:48:49,910 that. I have a lot of, like, sort of 1011 00:48:49,910 --> 00:48:52,710 very faded denim, a little fluoro. 1012 00:48:52,710 --> 00:48:55,910 So I've kind of still got that a tiny little bit of a raver in me 1013 00:48:55,910 --> 00:48:58,830 still. The palm, The palm I wouldn't do 1014 00:48:58,830 --> 00:49:00,990 again, but I do curl it from time to time because I do love a 1015 00:49:00,990 --> 00:49:01,710 curl. You always. 1016 00:49:01,710 --> 00:49:05,910 I always wanted curly hair and I'm a boho 70s, so I love the 1017 00:49:05,910 --> 00:49:09,720 70s look a lot. What fashional beauty trend 1018 00:49:09,720 --> 00:49:13,160 would you consign to room 101? It would be at the perm for 1019 00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:16,560 sure, especially the spiral perm that it just makes it super 1020 00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,640 Shirley Temple and also changes the color quite dramatically 1021 00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:23,320 too, cuz it literally just annihilates every follicle on 1022 00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:28,960 your head. Your last impulse by a little 1023 00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:34,040 Chanel dunamy back. Quite an impulse. 1024 00:49:36,870 --> 00:49:39,470 Your views on tattoos. Do you know what? 1025 00:49:39,470 --> 00:49:42,350 I love them. And then I think I haven't got 1026 00:49:42,350 --> 00:49:47,030 any and I am considering maybe a few little baby ones around my 1027 00:49:47,030 --> 00:49:48,590 hand. But now I think I'm 51. 1028 00:49:48,590 --> 00:49:51,070 Is it too late? It's the love hate thing with 1029 00:49:51,070 --> 00:49:52,510 tattoos. George has got whole sleeve and 1030 00:49:52,510 --> 00:49:55,190 I do think they look fantastic but just on the right person. 1031 00:49:56,430 --> 00:49:58,230 Beauty treatment you couldn't give up. 1032 00:50:00,150 --> 00:50:03,910 I love facial facial massage. I think just that, hands on 1033 00:50:03,910 --> 00:50:07,070 treatment, just lifting and Sarah Chapman do great facials 1034 00:50:07,070 --> 00:50:09,310 there. So I think, yeah, good facial 1035 00:50:09,310 --> 00:50:15,230 massage and lymphatic drainage. High end or High Street High 1036 00:50:15,230 --> 00:50:17,070 End. Let's buy well, buy once and buy 1037 00:50:17,070 --> 00:50:20,350 well. Bling or bear fit Bling. 1038 00:50:20,990 --> 00:50:25,310 Couture or charity shop? Charity shop, Crocs. 1039 00:50:25,470 --> 00:50:29,910 Cute or puke. I don't like them personally, 1040 00:50:29,910 --> 00:50:33,640 but George has got two pairs. He's got bright green ones that 1041 00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:35,520 he bought years ago. And then he was like, see, 1042 00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:37,280 Justin Bieber has them. See, I told you I was ahead of 1043 00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:38,720 the curve. And I was like, Oh my God, 1044 00:50:38,720 --> 00:50:40,400 really? So he's got bright green ones, 1045 00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,840 which he wore in the street ones to meet me, and I was mortified. 1046 00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,920 And then he's got Gray ones. And I've kind of they're OK. 1047 00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,560 They're little bit more muted. It's like a dark charcoal Gray, 1048 00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:50,040 but they're not my favorite thing. 1049 00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,080 Sneakers or stilettos? Sneakers all day long. 1050 00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:54,880 Bags or shoes? Bags. 1051 00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:59,440 Skinnies or boyfriends or wide legs boyfriends. 1052 00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:04,590 Body con or boho poho. Sports Lux or rock chick? 1053 00:51:04,830 --> 00:51:10,070 Rock Chick, Red carpet or relaxed, Relaxed, Experimental 1054 00:51:10,070 --> 00:51:13,590 or UU? Cashmere or cotton? 1055 00:51:15,110 --> 00:51:18,230 Depends on the season, Amanda. I love a cotton, but I do love a 1056 00:51:18,230 --> 00:51:20,590 cashmere as well. Hoarder or editor? 1057 00:51:21,670 --> 00:51:25,590 Well, I'm in transition, so I'm a hoarder that's, you know, 1058 00:51:26,270 --> 00:51:30,130 trying to be minimalist. Shapewear or sexy lingerie? 1059 00:51:30,290 --> 00:51:33,730 Sexy lingerie. Tights or stockings or holdups? 1060 00:51:34,050 --> 00:51:37,730 Holdups bikini or One Piece bikini? 1061 00:51:38,170 --> 00:51:43,970 Trilby or Tracy Trilby? Finally, one last question. 1062 00:51:43,970 --> 00:51:47,370 At the end of the day, what do you or don't you wear in bed? 1063 00:51:48,170 --> 00:51:52,450 So I love my pajamas and I've got a great selection, but I 1064 00:51:52,450 --> 00:51:54,890 usually wear them to bed and then I take them off because I 1065 00:51:54,890 --> 00:51:57,950 get too hot. So my intentions are to go to 1066 00:51:57,950 --> 00:51:59,790 bed in my pajamas and then I'm just naked. 1067 00:52:01,030 --> 00:52:04,270 Wonderful, wonderful. And if you could turn the tables 1068 00:52:04,270 --> 00:52:07,510 and ask me one of these questions, what would you ask 1069 00:52:07,550 --> 00:52:09,950 me? Can I please look in your 1070 00:52:09,990 --> 00:52:13,390 closet? Can I come and have a little 1071 00:52:13,390 --> 00:52:17,670 rummage around your closet? One day that would be such fun. 1072 00:52:17,670 --> 00:52:19,390 I really wanna do it. I'll come and film it. 1073 00:52:19,830 --> 00:52:22,030 We'll turn the tables and I'll come and film you talking 1074 00:52:22,070 --> 00:52:25,710 through all your pieces. Yeah, that would be fun, Lisa. 1075 00:52:26,090 --> 00:52:29,290 Thank you so much. You have been brilliant. 1076 00:52:29,290 --> 00:52:32,330 It's so good to see you. It's so good to hear you looking 1077 00:52:32,330 --> 00:52:34,730 at you looking resplendent wearing Wakely. 1078 00:52:34,770 --> 00:52:36,370 Thank you. You're so welcome and thank you 1079 00:52:36,370 --> 00:52:38,010 for having me. My pleasure.