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Going on a style journey with the founder and CEO of Minerva
Research Labs and Gold Collagen, whose mission is to help people
live better and longer, the visionary Tony Sanguinetti.
Hello and welcome, Tony. Thank you for inviting me.
It's great to have you here, and I would love to start by asking
you about the inspiration behind Minerva Research Labs.
And there was a phase of my life at the time, I think I was
something like 4th to something that I really wanted to find a
venture to help people. And I was looking for different
biotechnologies. I, I trained as, as an engineer.
I consider myself a bit of an inventor, although I worked
always in, in business, in management roles and, and things
like that. So I was looking for something
that would help reverse the signs of aging and I discovered
that collagen had an incredible importance in in this sort of
ageing process in our life. As we as we age we regenerate
all of our body, but the regeneration slows down as we
age and unfortunately the amount of collagen that we have across
our body decreases, which makes the skin, the biggest organ of
our body, become less and less elastic.
And in order to accommodate the the movement of the body, it has
to become a bit more loose. So when we are born, we have a
skin which looks like neo brain, like a wet suit, super elastic,
super shiny. But then unfortunately as we
age, it becomes a little bit looser so it can accommodate the
movements of our body and then wrinkles start to appear.
And that's primarily due to the fact that the skin becomes
thinner and less elastic. So I was trying to understanding
whether there was a way to stimulate that collagen to grow
faster. And I discovered that there were
some initial publications based on research made in Japan that
show that by supplementing the body with collagen peptides, it
will stimulate additional collagen production.
By ingesting collagen peptides you are then distributing that
across your body and therefore the blood takes it to every
organ including the the the skin but also the joints and and all
other organs. So I thought, OK, so if I take a
person and I help them get their skin more elastic and more
glowing and thicker and help them having fuller hair grow
their hair and also more hydrated joints, which will help
them move a little bit better, that person is going to look
younger. And these three things are all
connected to the amount of collagen that you have in your
body. And is there anything about it
being in liquid that makes it more absorbent?
So. So liquid is obviously going to
provide 2 benefits. One is increasing the amount
that you can ingest in comparison with the tablets
which are compressed so that they stay in the shape of
tablet. It doesn't need to be broken
down by the enzymes in the stomach, so it can be absorbed
immediately. I've read that it's considered
to be a nutraceutical. Can you explain that term
nutraceutical to me? Nutraceutical is simply an
industry which is extract extracting nutrients from food
that we would normally eat and it's concentrating them into
some kind of tablets or powder or liquid that you can ingest.
And you are, I believe, very involved in an initiative called
Mary's Meals. How did you get involved in
that? And what?
What's the outreach? It's quite a sort of deep
reason, to be frank. I, I have always had a very
strong sense of purpose in my life and I thought it was very
important to give to others, not just think about yourself, not
just being selfish, not just accumulate money.
I personally really don't find money so interesting.
And whenever I think I'm doing lots of money in the big scope
of things is never a lot because there's lots of people have so
much more money than you. But actually giving is something
that I have always thought it was important.
In the same way, maybe doctors, they want to be doctors because
they want to save lives, they want to help people.
Or maybe teachers want to be teachers because they know they
can shape kids and they can teach them things that is going
to help them through their life. I taught at university for
nearly ten years and you know, I'm telling you the money you
get for teaching is really very, very little.
But I was running a full course for nine years of management
control in Oxford and in London and I just loved it.
It was an opportunity for me to meet so many kids and and sort
of share my experience, motivate them, make them work hard and
learn things that eventually will be useful for them.
So after I became an entrepreneur, I launched, I was
pioneer of this category of college and we developed the
products between 2000 and nine, 2011.
We launched the first project in 2011.
By December 2011, we were in boots.
It was a massive success. We started entering many other
countries. We are now in more than 50
countries, every continent around the world.
And you know, I had quite a large team spread across many
countries around the world. And I always thought there's
going to be more than just making money and having a bigger
team. What is, what is that I can do?
In addition to that, I, I always, I think that my teaching
was an important way for me to give back because it was about
sharing my motivation, my experience as a businessman.
And I'm telling you, I've been teaching to more than 1000 kids
over those many years, I would say probably 1500.
And I mean, touching many of them are still very, very fond
of the stuff that we were doing together.
But after becoming a successful entrepreneur and having a team,
you know, it was natural for me to think about what is that I do
for, for other people other than just, you know, selling more
products. And by chance, you know, this is
100% the truth. By chance, I met Mary's Meal in
a church. I was going to a church near
where I live in, in Kensington and I met Mary's Meal and they
explained me, look, this is what we do.
We take money from you, donate anything you want.
And then we have thousands of volunteers in this countries,
mostly in Africa and also other other continents.
And the the volunteers help cook this.
And we actually only give food in school and we only give it to
kids. And the reason we want to give
it to kids is because we want to help kids go to school.
We want to give them a reason to go to school.
And I thought, wow, that sounds amazing.
Not only we are feeding them, we are giving them a reason to go
to school. So we got in touch with marriage
meal. They are amazing team.
They're they're rather small, but if you think they feed 2
million kids every day around the world, 2 million I think, I
think this is I think this is the number 2 million.
And I'm very proud of the work we have done because over the
over the period we have been collaborating, we have generated
or donated a million meals, 1,000,000 meals.
So I'm now organizing going back to Kenya and I've already been
there and I'm going to go and see the schools where these
meals are being distributed. And and it was touching.
And when I went, I went to Zambia and I visited I believe 6
schools or six or seven schools. And each of these schools have
maybe about 500 to 700 kids. And these kids, they all come
from very far locations. They may be walking for an hour
to go to school. What an extraordinary initiative
to be part of. Now today we're here to talk
about you and your style journey.
So I thought I would ask you if you could explain what you're
wearing today. What am I wearing?
I'm wearing a jacket which it's Harry Rosa made in in Toronto.
In Toronto, you're an Italian and so you're not wearing an
Italian. I'm not wearing an Italian suit.
No, I'm not. I'm sorry.
It's just the first I found. It's not.
I wasn't really thinking. So I'm.
Teasing you? Is Harry Rosen is a big
departing store like Harrods, something like that.
And inside they have a, a tailor kind of a program.
So you go there, they take your measurements, you pick the
fabric and then they make it and then you go get get it.
We we sell also in in Canada. So we have.
Sometimes I go there. Gives you, gives you time.
So black shirt. Yeah, black.
Jeans Paul Smith jeans. Yeah.
There's a little shop where my office is.
I go there. I buy most of my jeans.
They they make skinny, like long legs.
I'm I'm quite tall. And your shoes.
They are Paul Smith as well. Brilliant.
You you find my wardrobe is very boring.
Yes, I'm flying all the times and I remember at some point I
was buying lots of Bali because they had an amazing shop in the
airport in Heathrow. I was buying everything at this
Bali shops. I had lots of things.
Nowadays a post meet near my office I buy.
Lots of things. I, I love it.
I I often feel that men, and this is a generalisation, but
once they get their sort of uniform.
Yeah, that's. You you just multiple by.
Absolutely. Now you grew up in Italy,
Solano, were you very aware of your parents style?
Well, my father was a military guy, so he was in the army and
he was wearing his uniform every day.
Wow. And actually he was wearing a
black uniform because that's what Italian carabiner is
military police. And there.
And at that time, yeah, the uniform was very nice, you know,
with lots of gold and all the. You remember trying it on?
Well, yes, yes, indeed. And, and, you know, when I was
really a kid, I was thinking maybe one day I would be in the
Army myself. Do you remember his off duty
style when he wasn't in his uniform?
It would be quite formal, still wearing a jacket, a shirt most
of the time. He would probably wear a tie
also. You guys really, he would be
working Monday to Friday and then Saturday, Sunday.
So Sunday you go to church anyway.
So you need to sort of dress. Yeah.
My father wasn't very casual. He had always his shoes, very
shiny. But you know, you, you are 3040
years in the Army. You can't change if you wear
your shoes clean every day. It's not like you become scruffy
on Saturday and Sunday. You just have to be.
Were you inspired by that? Were you inspired by that
discipline of how he prepared himself, how he put himself out?
There definitely mostly we are. We are 100% inspired by what our
parents do, and sometimes you are inspired in a way that we
want to do exactly the opposite, or we do the same.
This is the only two ways, yeah. And you did.
You were inspired or did you have any moments that you kicked
against it and became the bad boy?
Of course the you're going to be a rebel, always rebel, but then
inside, that's what you see. And then eventually you find
yourself doing the same. But I wasn't ever a punk or I
wasn't wearing I, I didn't express my rebellion in, in the
way I was dressed. Luckily, I must say when I was
18, I started working as a model.
I don't know if that's the right place to discuss about that, but
I was tall. And that was the time that Italy
business, fashion business was booming.
So this this time, this is the 80s.
You know, it's a long, long, long, long, long time ago in a
Galaxy far, far away. And you know, this is when
Armani was starting Ferrari, Versace, Valentino, Valentino
was there a little bit earlier. I did the first fashion show of
Dolce Gabbana, like in Milan. The very first one they did for
men. Obviously they were doing women.
And do you remember the the looks that you wore on the
catwalk for Dolce? Yeah.
So it was kind of like more black because they're they are
Sicilian and they have a huge sort of influence from from
Sicilian kind of heritage and Sicilian look.
So it was it was probably very similar to this maybe white
shirt. And and how long were you
modelling for? 19 and and 25 I did mostly
Milan, Paris, NY. And what was your what was your
sort of casting look? What did you put on daily in,
you know, to go and go to your castings?
It depends on the season. So I was casting in New York and
I remember being there in January and it was so cold.
I had to, I literally, I promise I had to wear long Johns because
it was so cold. Because you were probably you
were probably going to 8 or 10 different castings.
Every day, 5-8 maybe too many. You don't have time to go to so
many. So you are literally walking,
taking the subway, going the other place and looking around
on your map. You didn't have a mobile phone
at the time. And then you you end up in this
place. You go in with your book, they
look at you, maybe you walk or something and then you go away.
So you spend most of the day outside.
So that was in in the winter. In the summer we complete the
opposite would be super hot, especially in New York, but
Milan would be also very, very cold in winter and very hot in
summer. Were you very aware of your
style back then or? Yeah, definitely.
And and so were you dressing in Italian, Italian designers or?
Team art, you know, it's, it's incredible.
Since I was, I think since I was 19, I found a tailor in Naples,
which is where I went to university and I told this
tailor, look, this is the style that I want.
And he was making the things that still today I have the same
same suits or the same jackets. And from that?
From that design, he was absolutely an artist.
He was absolutely incredible. So my style, I would say, hasn't
really changed. Sounds boring not.
Not at all. I think you know, some people
find their style early in life. Then you became a photographer.
Yeah, Yeah, that's, that's kind of interesting.
Well, I was somehow lucky that when I was really young I got a
teacher in school who was very good in photography.
So he told us how to take pictures and it was a passion
that I discovered very, very early.
I was lucky that my parents had a very nice camera occasionally.
I don't know why they had such good like advanced camera and
together with this guy, the I, I learned how to take pictures.
So I understood very well. I, I was already very
scientific. Eventually I went to
engineering. So it's all about light, it's
about lenses, it's about shutters.
All, all those things are somehow things that are
technical and engineer will understand more easily.
And, you know, working as a model, I was involved in so many
photo shoots. And really there is no school
that can teach you how to become a photographer other than become
being an assistant photographer. So you see what the
photographers are doing. You go on set, they put the
lights, they organize people. OK, you're the hairstylist.
Do that, the the makeup, do that.
And then they talk about the clothes.
I was there as a model. Instead of sleeping or being
lazy or something, I was observing what they were doing
and I just learned it. And one day at 20 and I had the
background from like when I was 13 that I could take photos very
well already. And so I learned very quickly
and 2324, all my friends were models, so I was taking photos
of them. They actually came out really
well. Great.
And I think my first, my first photos came on Vogue Sposa Vogue
bride when I was 25. Amazing.
So this was I was just in Salerno, this little town
fisherman's and Amalfi goes, you know, it's not like really a
fashion place, but I was going to Milan all the time.
As I mentioned, I went to Paris as well to work New York and and
many other place Florence. And yeah, my idea just came out
easily. I was sort of, I had this kind
of ability of, of taking the photos and I learned on on set
how to organize the lights, how to organize everything.
So I just became photographer. A natural and what was your
photographer Tony uniform? What were you wearing on a daily
basis to? I was mostly wearing jeans.
I had a military type belt with suspenders and then on the belt
I would have little socks. Similarly to people in the Army,
actually the same exactly same belt that I used for the Army,
where instead of putting lots of ammunitions, I would put
different lenses, different cameras.
You always need to use two cameras.
If one breaks down, you have the second one.
You shoot everything with two cameras.
In case 1 camera is faulty. So this today obviously probably
the young you know, don't really know because you can see the
photos right away. Because you were.
You were. This is on full film.
So. Yeah, you have no idea what
you're shooting. You're just shooting and you
hope that something comes up. But if you hire models, you hire
a location, you you have a cast of 10 people including
assistant, you stylist, all this.
You need to be sure that the photos come out and you have
sometimes no way of knowing that the camera is broken.
And so it's natural that you have today every photo with two
cameras with two different films and send the films to the
different labs then then you are sure that if something is, if
the films are corrupted one way or another, or the lab does
something they lose, then you haven't lost your job.
So yeah, similar. My, my father was army.
So for me was always equipped, all my cameras, all the stuff
ready on me. I didn't have to waste too much
time when I was ready because it time is very important on a
shooting. You have to do as many photos as
possible. I often talk about clothes being
our armour and that we message through them.
Is this something that you're conscious of doing?
100% it's, it's, you know, in Italian there, there is a say
Lobidofide Monaco. The suit or the dress makes the
monk Monaco monk or priest. So if you see somebody dressed
like a priest, you would kind of imagine this guy's a priest.
If you think you have an important role, you need to
dress up because you need to be the the role model.
So I was lucky enough that when I finished my MBA, I went to
work and very quickly I don't know how I became the marketing
director. And so I was young amongst lots
of other people who reported to me.
So if you show up and you don't have all the gold and all the
stuff, how do they know you are the captain or the wherever?
So how did you, how did you portray yourself then?
Very much using nice suits and you know at the time we were
using ties, so the dye was important to give a sort of
collar and the suit was important as well.
The shoes must be clean and and obviously nice.
Do you have a style icon? Well I would I would say that
Tom Ford has always been a guy who has a clearview about his
style, so I liked him typically quite a lot.
And then you have the events very much on the roll.
I met George Armani who was always 3 clean black and he
would mostly wear also a black shirt.
If I were to ask you how to how you would describe your style
DNA in three words, what 3 words do you think those would be?
Sophisticated but also efficient and pragmatic.
Things that are frivolous would not be something that I I would
consider as part of my style, or things that are unpractical.
So have you. Would you say that you've had a
worst fashion moment? One that you look back at a
picture and think, what was I thinking?
Yeah, absolutely. I would say when I was probably
16/17/18 and at that time, if you if I can help you picture
this is 1 sort of Duran Duran were quite popular and Taylor is
one of the guys with. Yes, yeah.
So for example, I would, Can you believe I would go around with a
big hat. My, my grandfather was American
and he had lots of, I didn't meet him.
I mean, I, I met him, but he died when I was 11 months.
So I never had the chance of meeting him.
But I had photos of him. He was always wearing these big
coats and, and big hats. So Can you believe when I was
1617, I was going around with this kind of hats and and maybe
little ties like Duran Duran, stuff like that.
This was completely the opposite of what everybody was wearing at
the time. And they were wearing more like
jeans and Timberland big shoes and things like that.
And I was like the opposite. Would you, would you ever
consider any tweakments as the years tick by in terms of Botox
or fillers or any of that? So due to my job, I'm obviously
exposed to a lot of aesthetic medicine and I know how they
work on our body. And so I have very clear ideas
about the things that I would or I would not do.
I will never do fillers. Fillers are external substances
that we inject in our body to fill up holes, but they are
actually absorbed. So if you do fillers 20 times
then you put 20 times that amount in your face and it's
going to stay there a lot to it. So I would never do fillers.
Even if they wait, I will do bollocks is going to be a
different thing. It's helping freeze the muscle
and therefore helps reduce the strain and the, you know,
challenge that your skin is supposed to.
So if I go like this a million times a year, which is not such
a big number because you can do it many times a day, all this
line eventually show up more and deeper.
So if you smile a lot like this, all this kind of signs around
here shop odd. So when you do Botox, you are
literally sort of inhibiting those muscle to move as much and
you are reducing the amount of lines and the sort of visibility
of that. So Botox is the easiest sort of
solution. And what is your biggest anti
aging tool? Well beside a a a a sort of
healthy lifestyle, which I do when it comes to food.
But flying all the time definitely is not a part of that
great lifestyle. But likely.
I don't smoke and I don't drink very much, only socially because
I enjoy the taste. I would say that definitely the
college and that I take regularly helps a lot.
And for me, sport is very, very important.
I I spend, I don't know, maybe 4-3 to 4-5 hours every week
swimming. Coming back to your wardrobe, do
you feel you've got an excessive amount of anything in particular
in your wardrobe? For sure.
Like what? I definitely have too many
jackets, maybe shoes as well, although I don't really use many
of them anymore. Why is that?
Well, because they are less comfortable than than the one
that I'm normally using. It's I'm using a lot of running
shoes and things like that because I'm always sort of
really moving very, very fast. I I don't walk.
I really literally nearly run. Through airports.
Or the underground or or Oxford St. everywhere.
I'm just trying to move faster because it's a good exercise as
well and you got there faster. Guilty Secret What is the most
expensive item you've ever bought?
I'm not asking for the price tag, I'm just asking you to
describe the item. The most frivolous, expensive,
excessive. It's a vest I bought recently,
as far as I remember on Bond Street, it's simply a vest and
it cost a fortune, a fortune because it is in the same it, it
looks like a Toriador uniform. So it has all this kind of
beats. I touched it and I did it
because I was supposed to do some kind of a photo shoot and
and something that was. I thought it would look really
nice, but then I regret many, many times spending so much time
on it and using. It Have you worn it?
Yeah, I did. Yeah, there are some photos
probably on my Instagram as well.
Tell me, what's your approach to sustainable fashion?
I must say my daughter, who's just 19, is incredibly keen on
this thing and I remember maybe one This is 100% the truth.
I remember one year ago I told her I was thinking about
starting a fashion run and she looked at me like I was doing
something like a crime. Committing a crime?
Yeah. Well, don't you know that they
already produce too much garments around the world and
this is polluting the world in excessively?
Why do you want to produce more fashion?
I was only going to do some very little high quality products,
you know, silk and things like that.
And she's like, yeah, but there is already too much out there.
You don't. We don't need your fashion.
Literally. So did she kill that idea for
you, or did you just decide that it was not something to do at
that? Time it did influence me a lot I
must say, because you know, our kids are very important for us
and and we we do everything to make them happy.
So actually I have steered a little bit away from that and
now I'm focusing more on the element on, on the shoes.
So I'm working to launch a line of shoes which have high heels
but have a special sole inside a special.
I'm still an engineer. I'm sorry, I know it's boring.
No, but that's fantastic. We need more engineers in
women's footwear. I'm still an engineer and so I'm
looking at the way the pressure develops across the foot base
and how especially when you have high heels, yes, gravity's
pushing everything down and and ways to reduce that pressure.
And I think I've got some products working with a German
friend who has done a lot of work in that space.
I have something that is I think in in the right direction so.
Fascinating. And then will you work with a
footwear designer on the uppers you know, to Christian Louboutin
or Aqua Zora or anyone like that to apply your engineering to
high fashion shoes or what's your plan?
Yeah, well, well, obviously you know, a guy like Salvador
Ferragamo, I'm Italian, so I have to go with the Diane guys
obviously is one who has revolutionised the the kind of
she industry many, many years ago, maybe a century ago,
something like that. And the style has actually been
developed a long, long time ago. And you'll be surprised that the
way these shoes are made today is very, very similar to the way
they were made by Salvador Ferraro nearly 100 years ago.
But of course there is a lot of technology available and for
example, running shoes now they use carbon fibre inside which
gives the extra elasticity. And there is a project that I'm
working on together with this German company to develop a the
sole and the support of the high heel shoe based on carbon fibre,
which will make it thinner, more rigid and also more elastic at
the same time. But the the real benefit really
comes from the sole and the way the inside of the shoes is made.
Obviously the outside is very important, but the most
important part is the piece of the shoes, which is taking the
weight and the pressure. Don't you think it's both are
important? The inside and the mechanics of
the shoe? I totally agree with you.
I buy into that. But as a as a female consumer, I
would want both form and function.
Of course, yes. And and we are working on making
the sandals are more difficult because there there is a smaller
surface that is holding up holding up your foot on the on
the sole. So these are the harder one to
to make more comfortable. But the one that like simple,
you mentioned Louis Bhutan or or which one Aqua Zura is, which is
Italian as well. Definitely very, very nice.
They're they're also providing a bigger opportunity, a better and
easier opportunity to make the sole shaped in a way that can
support a little bit better the food.
Most of the shoes sold now I have really no, no additional
shape inside and that doesn't help so much.
We do have running shoes or trekking shoes.
They have a very strong kind of support and they work really
well because we are thinking, well if you're going to be
climbing for five hours or working on shoes for five hours,
they better be good and comfortable.
But but interestingly high heel shoes, they put even stronger
pressure on the foot base because you are on a slope
constantly, right? It's exactly the opposite of
using of running on on the tape. When it goes up, you obviously
have to put more effort and this is your foot is going down and
most of the pressure goes on your toes.
So again, that's the engineering coming out.
Fascinating. So what else are you working on
in terms of projects that are really exciting you?
Quite a few projects from, you know, research labs perspective
trying to help on the mobility side, trying to help on the
muscle side. You know, as we age,
unfortunately the ability to replenish our muscles or
regenerate our muscle reduce. So the reality is that everybody
who's over 50 should be spending a huge amount of time exercising
and should be eating a lot of proteins because when we are
younger then the muscles regenerate quite easily and we
are able to use even a smaller amount of protein.
But as we get older, that becomes more difficult.
Can you talk to me about creatine for a moment?
Yeah, it's it's a very important element which is necessary for
the regeneration of muscles and it's very difficult to find.
And why the reasons why creatine is so difficult to dispense is
because it reacts with water and changes quickly.
So there are hardly liquids that can deliver that and you have to
take them via via tablets, but actually you need quite a few
grams a day. And so as a matter of fact, we
have a project where we are developing a sort of sachet
powder sachet which has quite a large amount of creatine.
It's like 5g together with some proteins and also some collagen
which together mixed in some kind of water.
We are talking about 1012 grams of protein would be very much
helpful. For the body, when regenerating
our muscles, if combined with exercise, No exercise, no
regeneration, yeah. And when you're talking about
the protein, is that coming from animals or is it coming from
vegetables? Where's the source of that?
Collagen is an animal protein, so it can only be coming from
animal source. Right, let's spin onto some
quick fire questions. We're back to fashion here.
Which fashion trend would you most like to see make a
comeback? I think every pretty much
everything is out there. Your last impulse buy?
I was in Japan. I bought a a running jacket
which was very interesting. It was made of very very thin
material, very smooth, but then had here some kind of additional
padding like. How do you call it like?
An insulation or down. Yeah, down and and this was only
here, only this part. So essentially it's something
that if you run when it's cold, you are likely feeling cold here
on this part of of your body partially because you got the
wind and in the back you you're going to be sweating most of
them even if outside is 0° you are running is wet in the back
and that's simply because your body is releasing lots of
liquids and it does more in the back.
And so this jacket is actually got two big zippers in the back
that you open. So you have a down jacket in the
front and ventilation in the back.
Is this is the last I vote? Your views on tattoos.
Very brave those who who have I don't have any tattoo I I find
sometimes these tattoos are quite spectacular.
Grooming or well-being treatment?
You couldn't give up. I only do some basic really.
I'm not, I'm not I I've done massage here and there a few
times, but. High end or High Street?
Both have a very important role. But for you, which would you?
Which would which do you prefer? High end or high?
Street, obviously I like, I am better.
Savile Row or Italian tailoring? Unfortunately in Italy a lot of
that heritage has been lost and there aren't any more so many
guys who are able to to do this type of of things as they used
to do. Double breasted or single
breasted? Double breast is hard, double
breast is hard. So I'd say single breast.
Frocks cute or puke? Cute when you go to the to the
pool, but not if you're working on the High Street.
Cashmere or cotton? Let's say cashmere.
Trend or style? Style.
Colour or monochrome? Margon is is cool if you have
style. Hoarder or editor?
Well, you need both, but sometimes editor is nice.
Charity shop or resale when you're getting rid of things.
Charity shop. Budgie smugglers or board
shorts? Definitely speedos I I swim all
the times and everybody makes fun of my speedos, but I
couldn't swim in shorts. And finally, traditional last
question at the end of the day, what do you or don't you wear in
bed? Don't wear anything.
Tony, thank you. What a fun interview.
It's been fascinating. Thank you for having.
Me to hear about your style and all things health and well-being
too. I've loved that.