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Resplendent. 31 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:52,160 I mean, sorry, can we just talk about this coat? 32 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:56,600 This coat has been on my Pinterest board for two years. 33 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:01,280 When it first appeared, the price was so egregious I was 34 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:05,280 like, absolutely not. But I'm of the school of thought 35 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:09,400 that everything that I love, loves me too, and it will find 36 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:13,160 its way to me. I'm about a 30 minute drive from 37 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:15,360 somewhere called Bicester Village, which is like an outlet 38 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:17,560 space. It's Prada. 39 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,840 I go in there a couple days ago, pick it up. 40 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:26,600 It's winking at you, it's smiling, it's winking and, and, 41 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:28,280 and. No, I wait to pick it up and 42 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:30,840 then I pause because I remembered the the original 43 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:32,680 retail price, which. Was to my Mils. 44 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:37,120 Go 5230 lbs. And then the essay was like, no, 45 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:39,320 no, you want to look at that price. 46 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:47,520 Flicked it over not half price then down to 1200 lbs and she 47 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:51,880 was like also there's an extra 40% off today and my husband was 48 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:58,280 like you just have a knack for this because I'm patient with 49 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,760 everything but especially when it comes to clothing and style. 50 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:04,560 I will wait 10 years for a piece. 51 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:11,360 What have you teamed it with? Prada asos free people and no 52 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:15,000 one can see my feet, but a great shoe designer called Aminamwadi, 53 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:17,680 whose shoes I find to be so comfortable. 54 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:21,480 You know, I'm a, I'm a tiny lady and so I'm typically always in a 55 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:23,760 heel and her heels are very, very comfortable. 56 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,360 Do you ever wear flats? Yeah, that's something I gotta. 57 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:30,880 Found oh OK no cause a friend of mine and in fact a a previous 58 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:36,360 guest wore heels all her working life her life all the rest of it 59 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:40,160 so much so that she shortened her calves sort of like Dolly 60 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:44,200 Parton shortened her calves muscles and then so basically 61 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,640 whenever they take their heels off they're walking around on 62 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:52,120 tiptoe anyhow because. So my 15 foot two may put 63 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:54,160 counter girl but then went into selling. 64 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:59,520 Shoes always so. Pristinely termed out. 65 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:04,040 I mean, beauty pageant level hair done in the hairdresser 66 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:09,360 every week, 6 inch heels every day, stockings with a scene that 67 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:16,240 run up at the back, a delicious faux fur in the winter, always a 68 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:19,320 red lipstick. And I remember looking up at her 69 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:21,880 as a as a gun of being like, yeah, one day. 70 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,920 That's amazing and your latest? Book. 71 00:04:25,280 --> 00:04:30,640 Manifesto came out in September, became an instant Sunday Times 72 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:33,320 bestseller. So did you manifest that? 73 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:39,240 Absolutely. The way I've manifested the rest 74 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,760 of my life, I see it so clearly and I also see the bits people 75 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:47,160 don't want to see so clearly. Like I I know there's a health 76 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,560 scare brewing. Why do you know that? 77 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:54,600 I had a very in depth meditation three years ago where I was able 78 00:04:54,600 --> 00:05:01,280 to meet my 40 year old self and 40 year old me told me that I 79 00:05:01,280 --> 00:05:06,360 would have a health scare that rocked everyone around me but it 80 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,760 shouldn't rock me because I already know it's just a scare 81 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:13,240 and that I'm going to be fine but. 82 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:17,480 Do you ever worry that because you feel you know that that you 83 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:19,480 are going to manifest that healthcare? 84 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:23,080 I I feel like it would have played out exactly the same. 85 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:28,880 So do you, I mean, I've read that you meditate, but I also 86 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:32,520 read and I all listened to you saying there is no perfect 87 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:37,680 meditation and you know that my the little mind bugs or 88 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:39,600 whatever. And that made me feel a lot 89 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,640 better because so often when I try to meditate, that's the 90 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:44,240 little. Yeah, the little noise will 91 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:47,200 creep in. But but what I loved is that you 92 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:49,880 were so positive about it and so that it doesn't matter because 93 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:52,320 you you're still there. It's. 94 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:56,800 The most calming, peaceful thing, even with the little 95 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,360 things that come in and out. And I see my brain like the 96 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:02,160 trash on our computers now, and noise will come in. 97 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:04,960 You have to drag it to the trash, reboot and start again. 98 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:08,400 And for the years I've been meditating, maybe I've had three 99 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:13,320 or four of those out of body, totally calming meditation 100 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:16,400 experiences, but that typically doesn't happen all the time. 101 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:18,880 But it's so so. Worth it? 102 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:21,120 What? Brought you to meditation in the 103 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:25,240 first case. So there was an internal voice 104 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,560 that was like, you must just try this thing. 105 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,520 And I was like, I absolutely don't want to do that. 106 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,280 Meditation is not for people like me. 107 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:37,720 By people like me, I mean very busy at the time, working class 108 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:39,720 black women who just have to get on with it. 109 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:43,640 I, I'd never been shown the privilege of all and like me 110 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,600 meditating, taking care of her mental health, please, I don't 111 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,880 have time for that. And then the voice got louder 112 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:53,200 and louder. The struggle with meditation was 113 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:57,000 because I I didn't understand that I was worthy of that kind 114 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:01,640 of peace I thought I had. I could only be highly shunned 115 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:06,000 for the rest of my life. Or actually, I cannot produce. 116 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,320 I cannot be a success without stress. 117 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:14,520 Tell me about the inspiration behind Manifesto. 118 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:22,840 The inspiration behind Manifesto was me trying to encourage women 119 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:28,000 like me or people that perceive themselves to exist in the 120 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:32,200 margins of society, be that by race, class, disability, 121 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:37,760 socioeconomics, manifestations seem to be reiterated by the 122 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,480 same kind of person and again and again and again. 123 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:44,960 And whilst I take so much from those people and I'm able to 124 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:48,760 look past the visible physical difference or the lifestyle 125 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:52,600 difference, I thought to myself, so many people, especially black 126 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:56,080 women, I'm not squeezing the juice out of their life because 127 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:59,520 they're not being met where they are at by who they are. 128 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:05,880 So I thought, I'm a black woman who's really home the art of 129 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:09,680 manifestation. I'm going to write this book for 130 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:10,880 everyone. You know why? 131 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,360 Because black women especially have to think about everyone. 132 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:18,080 Yeah, white people typically don't you're you know, you're 133 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:22,280 not taught to think about anyone but yourself. 134 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:26,080 We would hope as the terms like ally, ship, grow that people 135 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:28,640 choose to do that. But that's what the typical 136 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:35,159 encouragement I have always existed in in the background. 137 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:39,240 And when I produce material, I typically have to think about 138 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:43,000 including everyone. So I was like, I think I'm going 139 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:44,760 to write a book about manifesting. 140 00:08:45,560 --> 00:08:50,200 So typically, especially in in in the black British publishing 141 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:54,240 space, to get a book deal, you typically have to write about 142 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:59,840 something traumatic abuse. Race is a la di da di da, and 143 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:05,960 I've had my trauma porn books and I was like, no, I'd like to 144 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:09,440 write something a little bit lighter or at least to me 145 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:14,840 happier and just more of inclusive in positivity in 146 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:17,920 general. And that's for manifesto came 147 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:22,080 manifesting is of the devil. Absolutely. 148 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:28,920 It's so not Christian. Anything that is seen as you 149 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:33,400 having quote UN quote power or liberty over your own life is 150 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:37,160 not taking too too kindly in the black community. 151 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:38,960 That's fascinating. I've never heard the. 152 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,760 And most of the pushback for this material has come from my 153 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:47,400 own community. I am so used to that by now that 154 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:48,880 it's like, you know, I don't hear it. 155 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:53,560 It's like a dog whistle. But I can appreciate how many 156 00:09:53,560 --> 00:09:56,560 black people alike, we absolutely don't do that because 157 00:09:56,560 --> 00:10:01,200 it it, you know, it, it's not Christian, it's not God like. 158 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:05,840 And so manifesto actually tries to marry the two. 159 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:09,800 And I think it does it very, very well because I was raised 160 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:14,320 in the church, my grandparents, Pentecostal and Baptist, I used 161 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:15,760 to be in the quiet. I get it. 162 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:20,440 And yes, I do believe in God and I'm less keen on the Bible, but 163 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:24,520 I do believe in God. And so this is me starting to 164 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,800 poke at that. Also, it's so funny because a 165 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:31,320 title like Manifesto, I'm not the Life you deserve, I think 166 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:33,600 people think they're in for a light read. 167 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:38,400 There's a lot of historical context that comments in a book 168 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:41,120 like this and written by a woman like me that he won't find in 169 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:43,960 any other manifestation material. 170 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:46,040 Just like proxy of who's writing it. 171 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:51,360 You know, you, you have this incredible voice, Candice, You 172 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,120 really do. You're challenging the norms. 173 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:58,040 You're promoting positive change in the realm of diversity and 174 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:01,960 representation. How did you find that voice? 175 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:06,920 My maternal granddad and my biological father for sure. 176 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:09,480 So I was raised by my mature, the granddad. 177 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:13,080 Shortly before I was born he was mugged and they left him blind 178 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:16,120 in one eye and he was deemed as unfit for work so he never 179 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:19,480 worked again. And when my mum had me and I was 180 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:23,560 the first grandchild on both sides, she wanted to go back to 181 00:11:23,560 --> 00:11:26,520 work and she was living at home and my granddad was like and 182 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:29,920 Candice will stay right here with me, no babysitter, no 183 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:31,840 childminder. I will raise her. 184 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:34,880 And that he did, from the ages of 0 to Tim. 185 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,800 Going back to childhood in Brixton, yes. 186 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:45,880 What was your earliest memory of clothes making a difference to 187 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:50,240 you? It was the fact that my school 188 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:52,920 had no uniform and my granddad still put me in one. 189 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:57,800 Oh what did you wear to school? So it was a grey pinafore, a 190 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:01,600 Navy cardigan, white socks, black shoes and matching Navy 191 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:04,120 ribbons in my hair. So a proper uniform, a proper 192 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:08,160 uniform and just high octane embarrassment because I'm the 193 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:12,040 only one in school in the it's a non uniform school. 194 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:16,720 Because I remember one day sneaking clothes into school in 195 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:19,640 your backpack, in my backpack. Like putting it under the lining 196 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:22,640 of the backpack, getting into school, running into the toilet, 197 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:25,840 changing the outfit, spending the whole day just being so 198 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:27,600 jazzed up because everyone's like, oh, candy, she looks so 199 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:30,520 good in my own clothes. Changing right before granddad 200 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:34,840 comes and then getting the walloping of my life because my 201 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:41,120 teacher had called him and had been like hi George, this is not 202 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:42,720 like candy. 'S at what age? 203 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:47,880 So I was like 7 and he had come drawing play time and spied on 204 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:51,760 me from school gates. He was like booby clothes are 205 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:55,680 important especially to him. He was like I came to this 206 00:12:55,680 --> 00:12:59,120 country from the Caribbean to the signs of no blacks, no dove, 207 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:01,320 no Irish. So he was when when we trust 208 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:06,640 generation and he was like my outfit always moved the needle 209 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:11,520 on respect on getting the job. And to this day, on any given 210 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:14,400 day, my granddad will wear a three piece suit and a pocket 211 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:18,320 watch. I have to say, those images of 212 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:22,440 the Windrush generation descending from the ships, I 213 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:28,120 find them so deeply moving. How beautifully everyone was 214 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:31,760 dressed up. It was a big proud moment. 215 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:37,160 It's just I I love those images. And and and those are the images 216 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:42,680 that I got to live in. Yeah, you know, my Nan, I think 217 00:13:42,680 --> 00:13:48,960 she's got like 6 or 7 wardrobes and she can crochet and knit and 218 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:53,160 she came from a generation that commend very well and you know, 219 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:56,200 main maintain their clothes to a high standard. 220 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:59,400 And I did have a period of absolutely not caring. 221 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:02,320 It was rebellion and maybe not feeling so confident. 222 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:07,600 But now, Oh, my clothes are my armour for sure. 223 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:13,640 I, I often ask our our clothes, your armour, because I, I think 224 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,480 they are, I don't care if it's a cashmere sweater or it's how we 225 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:20,480 present ourselves doesn't have to be hard and tailored and. 226 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:24,640 It speaks before I do. I know for sure there's been a 227 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:28,440 time an outfit has landed me in a job or got me in A room. 228 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:33,840 When did your passion for fashion start emerging? 229 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,080 OK, so I went to a performing arts school called the Brit 230 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:41,560 School of Performing Arts, most famously Adele, Amy Winehouse 231 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:47,120 went there at 13 again and a school where you didn't have to 232 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:48,440 wear uniform. And I was old enough to make 233 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:51,720 that decision now. And that's where it really 234 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:54,680 started to come alive because at that age, everyone is trying to 235 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:58,360 show their personality and their flares through clothes. 236 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:02,560 And it's so funny to watch it come back again, to be old 237 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,680 enough to see trends come around the second time. 238 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:08,920 Very interesting. But the 90s were a big deal. 239 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:12,280 So our jeans were the Baggies and we were wearing these huge 240 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:15,280 leather jackets. And where were you finding? 241 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:19,040 Those there was a great shop the back on Bond Street called 242 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:22,800 Probito. There is a liberty that has come 243 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:25,200 in my wardrobe that has definitely come in making more 244 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:29,000 money. When I was younger, there was no 245 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,520 such thing as fast fashion. It was what you could afford. 246 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:34,120 And you, you just made that stretch. 247 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:36,440 You mended, you made, you made it work. 248 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:40,840 And I love secondhand and vintage because of the idea of 249 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:43,560 the lifeline. I I couldn't agree more. 250 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:47,880 What's your What's your best vintage find? 251 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:55,440 1988 Chanel Classic flap. Reason being I bought it my 30th 252 00:15:55,440 --> 00:16:00,240 birthday and I was born in the year of 88 and she's battered 253 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:03,800 and bruised and the leather's patinated and is really flat. 254 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:07,640 So you're about to go onto your wedding dress because that's one 255 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:09,480 of my questions. Tell me about it. 256 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,520 We decide to get married, finally walk in. 257 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:14,640 We're like, you know, we know you're going to have a huge 258 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:16,920 backlog. Let's look at somewhere next 259 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:18,120 year. She's like, no, someone just 260 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:20,200 cancelled. You can get married in seven 261 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:22,920 weeks. We were like, oh sure, let's do 262 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:26,080 it. Me having never been that person 263 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:29,720 that thinks about their wedding or Oh my gosh, it's, it's 264 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:31,720 horrific. It's a minefield. 265 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:36,240 The second you say wedding, the price goes up, the anxiety goes 266 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:40,320 up. I was a size 16 to 18 then, 267 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:43,840 which made finding a dress even. Harder. 268 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:48,040 Because it just felt as though full of figured women or plus 269 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:50,200 size women were locked out of that market. 270 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,640 Good old bista village. I'd gone there maybe for the 4th 271 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:55,840 time. Absolutely not wanting to go on 272 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,800 this trip because finding something I love just wasn't 273 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:01,640 happening. Went into Oscar, Dena Raninta 274 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,319 was trying on something else in the changing room and their 275 00:17:05,319 --> 00:17:07,760 stockroom doors popped open with a Hoover. 276 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,839 I was like sorry, what is that? She pulls it down. 277 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:16,920 It's my size. Not only is it my size, original 278 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:21,240 retail price 22,000. Bam, she sells it to me for 279 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:24,280 £700. Nah because it's about to go to 280 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:26,160 Lamendfield. I was like, what are you saying? 281 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:31,640 She was like, it's so old seas of wise that we were struggling 282 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:33,400 to sell it, so it was just going to end. 283 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,560 You, you mentioned your size. Can we talk about body image for 284 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:40,360 a second? Is it that so you've been on a 285 00:17:40,360 --> 00:17:42,760 bit of a body transformation? It really. 286 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,520 So what's really interesting though, before I had my kids, I 287 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:48,600 was a super runner. Many Americans, halves and ultra 288 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:50,600 Americans under my belt. Umm. 289 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:54,560 We've gone to do our life insurance and the premium is 290 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:57,040 really high because of my weight. 291 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,560 I didn't want to acknowledge it at the time, but I know 292 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:01,160 subconsciously I made a mental note. 293 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:04,240 I don't. I don't like literally being 294 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:08,480 penalized because of the weight. Although also recognizing that 295 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:11,480 my knees hurt, my back hurt, standing up for more than half 296 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:12,960 an hour was getting pretty annoying. 297 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,880 Again, I'm only four foot 11. Which is going to feel healthy. 298 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:18,720 I wasn't. Where was I putting this weight? 299 00:18:19,120 --> 00:18:24,240 I was running 5K maybe 3 days before Esme was born. 300 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,520 My God. So I was so committed to that 301 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,680 version of myself. Got back to her pretty quickly 302 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:34,440 after Esme. 5 minutes later, my son comes along. 303 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:39,960 Lost the the gust, Oprah a bit. Then pandemic happens and that's 304 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:43,000 when everything's just supercharged and you're let out 305 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:44,920 for one hour a day. You're just eating and doing 306 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:45,720 whatever. Yeah. 307 00:18:47,120 --> 00:18:51,840 And I was like, OK, internally I was like, enough is enough. 308 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:55,000 But I was so. And I was scared of meeting this 309 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,560 version of myself. I was so comfortable. 310 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:00,960 I was so comfortable not acknowledging that to some 311 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:04,160 degree I was killing myself. Yeah. 312 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,600 And I'm not going to lie, you know, really focusing on upping 313 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:07,880 the muscle. I feel better. 314 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:10,640 I look better. I sleep better, I recover 315 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:14,600 better. Also if there's one thing I want 316 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:19,320 every especially woman listening to understand better to build a 317 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:23,240 sustainable body than just focus on the smallest body. 318 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:25,720 Yeah, it's it's typically non sustainable. 319 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:29,160 Yeah, yes, you're, you're, you're so right. 320 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:33,520 That an action, that feeling of strength going back to style. 321 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:37,000 When do you feel you? Discovered your personal style 322 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:38,560 DNA. This is going to shock some 323 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:46,840 people, but I would say early 30s, so not not that low ago, 324 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:50,840 given that my next birthday is 37, but I would say especially 325 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,680 being in the public eye, especially having social media 326 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:58,320 profiles, there was definitely in my late 20s this idea that I 327 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:03,080 should be dressing like everyone else and the people around me at 328 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:08,400 the time, White, middle class, yummy mummies, Boden, M&S. 329 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:10,920 Hiking boots. Oh God, I'm getting shivers just 330 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:12,400 saying these please, guys, please. 331 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,480 I've deleted all the images from Instagram, so don't even try and 332 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:19,600 scroll because it wasn't real. And then, you know, one day I 333 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:24,120 woke up and was like, no, what does it mean to dress like you 334 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:28,080 and to not be dressing to cosplay as something or someone 335 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:30,560 else? And that really started to come 336 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:32,960 around. I say about day three, day 4. 337 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:38,920 Honestly, in all my years designing, working with women, I 338 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:42,640 would say very young. So it's that old soul in you 339 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,880 coming out again. How do you describe your style 340 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:54,880 DNA in three words? Sarah Jessica Parker So when I 341 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:58,520 see Carrie in an outfit, I do truly believe Sarah would wear 342 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,560 that outfit. And when I get dressed, there is 343 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:06,080 an element on in my mind that's like, how can we terrify this? 344 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:11,160 I love I love shock value and I love ridiculous things. 345 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:15,520 Currently I'm obsessed with very silly novelty handbags. 346 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:17,880 Can we just talk about that for a second? 347 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:21,560 I think there's one over there. Do you think Love it? 348 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:25,200 Love it, but do you have a style icon? 349 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,800 Yes, I have. I have a few Sarah Jessica 350 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:35,320 Parker, Tracee Ellis Ross, the daughter of Diana, yes, and the 351 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:41,360 celebrity stylist June Ambrose. Now, I know you love your 352 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:45,600 beauty. Yes, your beauty routine is the 353 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:47,400 heart of yourself. Care. 354 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:49,440 Absolutely. Not. 355 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,120 OK, because you look the most exquisite skin. 356 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:54,680 Absolutely. Do you know what? 357 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:58,840 I wouldn't say it's self-care. My beauty process is hygiene. 358 00:21:59,960 --> 00:22:03,280 Yeah, when we say something self-care, it's up for debate. 359 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:08,320 It's like if I can link the time, if I can do it when it 360 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,920 comes to skin care and make up for me, it's hygiene. 361 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,160 I've seen pictures of you taking the sun. 362 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:19,560 Yes, careful in the sun. So careful because but light 363 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:21,280 skin can be. Very, very. 364 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:22,600 Sensitive. In. 365 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,520 Sun and I'm late. To the game with that because 366 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:30,440 again we naturally come from West Africa and the Caribbean 367 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:34,960 there is this idea that underwear we're built for it I 368 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,600 would say, and I don't know the data so I don't want to push it 369 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:42,440 but I would say my auntie who has never left Barbados perhaps 370 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:46,880 has a better immune system and defenses to the sun that me as 371 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:50,640 someone that's been raised in a vitamin D lacking space just. 372 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:52,640 Doesn't hand look around. Us. 373 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,880 I don't have it. And so now I'm marrying 374 00:22:55,880 --> 00:23:00,080 sunscreen today my I call her my auntie, my wonderful auntie 375 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,240 Caroline Hirens taught me that the UV rays are always 376 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,920 penetrating, which is, even though you can't see the sun, 377 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,800 sheep in the way see you. So it's always on. 378 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,720 And when I do love to sunbathe, but I'm topping up on the oil, 379 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:18,120 on the cream, on the I'm very aware of the damage the sun 380 00:23:18,120 --> 00:23:19,760 does, but also how much I need it. 381 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:24,560 Can we talk about your hair? I as I walk around the back of 382 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:28,080 the but there's a gorgeous sort of ripple towing on there. 383 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,160 I shaved my head when I was 17 years old. 384 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:32,880 Shaved it off. Yeah, I've. 385 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:34,280 Never. I've never gone. 386 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,280 My husband falls like Mr. Sheen board. 387 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:37,840 But I shaved it. It's a shade. 388 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:39,600 Yeah. I shaved it this low when I was 389 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:43,960 17, which is a huge decision to make regardless of race. 390 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:48,200 But like in the black community, I think everyone thought I'd 391 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:49,840 lost the plot. But what had happened? 392 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,320 I've been in New York and a woman had crossed the road with 393 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:58,160 this haircut and in my mind traffic had stopped for this 394 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:02,960 woman. She was so upright, shoulders 395 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:07,280 back, this great low haircut. Her face was like a Halo of 396 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,880 light. And 17 year old me was just like 397 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:16,160 Oh my God, who is that? And I got off the flight from 398 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,280 New York, dropped my bag and went straight to almost every 399 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:23,240 Barber in Brixton and begged them to cut my hair and about 7 400 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:27,400 of of eight refused. Finally the last Barber says 401 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,680 he'll do it. He wants to start at the side 402 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,840 though because he's like if you hate it then you could have like 403 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,440 a MO walk and just let that bit throw out. 404 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,280 I was like, I will pay you an extra fiver to start in the 405 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:42,520 middle. I was so I was like we're going 406 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,800 to go straight down the middle And everyone in the shot was 407 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:47,960 really nervous because they all knew my mum. 408 00:24:48,120 --> 00:24:52,080 Like this shot might be shot down in an hour and the second 409 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,680 they took it off. Don't get me wrong, I felt very 410 00:24:54,680 --> 00:25:00,520 aware of myself and very naked but I knew it was me. 17 now, 411 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,240 about to turn 37. I've never had another 412 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,680 hairstyle. Makeup and nails a red. 413 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:10,360 Lip and a red nail. We are going to the grave, We 414 00:25:10,360 --> 00:25:12,960 are going to the break the red lip again. 415 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,680 I saw it on someone else on a black woman and I was bide. 416 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,880 That's amazing. Although in our community, black 417 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,040 women are will not to wear a red lip, we've always been told it 418 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,640 doesn't suit us. And it took like all things, it 419 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:30,080 took a lot of trying because you got to find the right tone. 420 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,440 I, I wanted to find the right lip liner. 421 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,920 I wear a very deep plum lip liner. 422 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:39,240 It's like an ombre effect. And that took a few years, but 423 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:43,200 then it became, it became a trademark to the point now if I 424 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,040 don't wear a red lip, everyone thinks something's wrong. 425 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,440 And my husband knows this is so funny, guys. 426 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:53,000 He knows where I am in my cycle based on the tone of red that 427 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:58,840 I'm wearing the nail again. My wonderful nail tech who has 428 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,800 been my nail tech and friend since we were 17 years old. 429 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:07,120 She's always done my girls and the red became a staple. 430 00:26:07,120 --> 00:26:08,800 I'd say over the last four years. 431 00:26:09,120 --> 00:26:12,240 We kept doing lots of different colors and patterns and every 432 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,520 time she come back for a refresh, I'd be like, oh, I 433 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,640 hated it. It didn't go with this. 434 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:21,240 So we settled on red now. You're in a position where you 435 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,600 have your portrait taken a lot. Are you very controlling? 436 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,800 Of that image, no. And of what you're dressed. 437 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,080 In I'm controlling of what I'm dressed in. 438 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:35,120 I wouldn't say I'm controlling when we when I do go to sets 439 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,520 people are more inclined to have me self style because they know 440 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,560 how important it is to me and they love my style. 441 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,360 So have you ever used a personal stylist I. 442 00:26:46,360 --> 00:26:49,080 Have not but what a timely conversation. 443 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:50,360 I feel like you're manifesting it. 444 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,640 I'm having meetings with. I'm sorry, there's helicopters 445 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,520 overhead today. It's like helicopter heaven here 446 00:26:58,520 --> 00:26:59,480 today. So let's just. 447 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,640 Carry on rolling. I'm having a meeting with a few 448 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:07,080 stylists next week and I'm really excited and only because 449 00:27:08,120 --> 00:27:11,400 I I love styling myself. I love doing that. 450 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,360 And I don't think I'm in need of a stylist. 451 00:27:14,360 --> 00:27:18,960 I think I have a clear direction about the message I I'm sending 452 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,280 when I get dressed, which I think is the primary need of a 453 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,120 stylist to to source that direction for you. 454 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,640 When I'm having a hard time is constantly using my credit card. 455 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,200 I'm just like I need. I have the vision. 456 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,080 Can you do the pulling? Do you have the relationship 457 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,200 with the designer? Can you help with the fitting? 458 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:41,560 I'm now at a stage in my career where I'm comfortable working 459 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,480 with a stylus. Are you effectively interviewing 460 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,520 a couple of stylus? Literally in the next few days 461 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,960 so. Let's talk about travel. 462 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:52,960 Yes. Do you have a particular travel 463 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,200 look? You're very conscious of what 464 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,720 you're wearing. I do have a travel look and it 465 00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,440 is my husband that picked up on it. 466 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,640 It's always a black dress. Typically is in yucky pleads 467 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,280 please because of how it can be folded and molded in and you can 468 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:11,280 look so chic doing nothing. So yeah, black dress flap shoes 469 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,800 always ready to run and go, especially if I'm with children. 470 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,200 So I don't typically wear flat day-to-day, but whenever I'm 471 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:19,800 traveling is a black. Dress good. 472 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,640 Packer, Bell, Packer. Wonderful pack of like just an 473 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:28,400 over pack because I know someone will understand this. 474 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,440 Nothing haunts like the outfit left in your whole country. 475 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,320 Totally with you, it's. Just a waste. 476 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,400 I've been learning to take 4 suitcases for four days. 477 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,920 It happens. Oh especially especially look at 478 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,800 me trying to make it better. Especially because I love codes. 479 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,080 And I suppose you're always making content to a degree. 480 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:53,000 Yeah, exotic, but although I'm always making content, I think 481 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:57,880 people would say I am the kind of content creator who 482 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:02,640 constantly promotes re wearing yeah, I I will I will wear a 483 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:07,720 great look to a red carpet multiple times I've got no I'm 484 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,880 not the person that's like Oh no, we've been photographed in 485 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:12,520 that now we we cannot be seen in. 486 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,800 Oh, no, no. It's the least you can do 487 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:20,560 because I understand that I work in a field that is rooted in 488 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,760 overconsumption. So what is the least I can do? 489 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:28,160 It's promoting the fact that I purchase these things and I love 490 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,680 them and I'm committed to them. And you're got to see it again 491 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,240 and again and again. Which brand is your? 492 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:39,680 Guilty secret. My guilty secret is Valenciaga. 493 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:48,440 Outside of the absolute PR disaster that I completely agree 494 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:52,480 with their cancellation, I had already fallen in love with a 495 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,240 shape of coat they do called the hourglass coat. 496 00:29:55,960 --> 00:30:00,040 It is cut to absolute perfection and I'm the kind of person that 497 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,680 doesn't just enjoy fashion and my husband says I don't share 498 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,320 this evidence of myself enough. But I'm also fascinated with the 499 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:10,680 history of fashion and Balenciaga as a house. 500 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:16,400 When we talk about couture and the shape on a woman, I I 501 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:21,680 absolutely would lose a limb for some of the older dresses. 502 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:26,600 And like I'm talking 1960s up Balenciaga couture. 503 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,360 No disrespect to the young children, but like the triple S 504 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,000 Balenciaga trailer, give me a break. 505 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:37,040 Nothing new, nothing Y2K. But when it came to who 506 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:41,720 Balenciaga in the House of Valenciaga he used to be, I'll 507 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,720 fall on my own sword. It's trust. 508 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:48,720 And then in terms of the High Street, who do you think is 509 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,280 doing a really good job? I, you know what, I, I, I, I 510 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:56,640 need this in because I, I hate to say this, because I, I don't, 511 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:58,600 I don't enjoy giving them their pox. 512 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:03,880 But one must Marks and Spencer's more recently also, though I've 513 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,720 been a Marks and Spencer's fan over the years. 514 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:13,520 I just think they are very good at at at Staples second to them. 515 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,960 No, they are second to who I'm about to say. 516 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,920 And I would run off a ledge to them naked 'cause. 517 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,320 I keep crediting them because it is really impressive. 518 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:29,160 It's just it's, it's the robe on a budget. 519 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:33,640 It's the definition of minimalistic and the idea of 520 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,680 quite luxury. Not that I care about that. 521 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:40,720 The, the, the cut, the fit, the, the way you can wash the pose 522 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,320 and they wash so well 'cause cause 'cause. 523 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,560 And I've often joked and I've had this conversation with many 524 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,520 of my friends who are in safe sex relationships. 525 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,720 All of the good looking lesbians shop at Cos. 526 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:55,600 I see them in there with their wives. 527 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:59,680 And I'm just like, what, what is, what is this light source 528 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:00,840 for you guys? And Cos? 529 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:05,120 I adore that place and like, it's the one place my husband's 530 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,280 like when I come into London for work, he's like, please don't 531 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,880 stop at Cos. Well listen, better cars than 532 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,320 Blentiaga, thank. You. 533 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:18,400 Shoes or bags or both? Because you strike me as someone 534 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:23,560 who loves both. It is both, but if I really had 535 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:24,920 to go in there we can use the bag. 536 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,520 Even your JW Anderson do. You know what is though? 537 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:33,520 I need the heights and so. Do you wear a lot of platforms? 538 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,120 A lot. I love a Sophia Webster 539 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,640 platform, and before Sophia Webster in my much younger, 540 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:44,360 crazier years, I don't think she's currently still designing 541 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,360 shoes. Shauna Olympia, Yeah. 542 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:50,920 Guilty secret? Yeah, most expensive item you 543 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,600 have ever bought. Not ICE asking for the price 544 00:32:53,600 --> 00:33:01,640 tag, just describe the piece. Oscar de la Vellta ostrich 545 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,040 feather hot. Pink cake. 546 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,840 Oh cautious God, I can see you in that. 547 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:16,320 Patches for my wedding day and my husband was so he was so sad 548 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:21,200 at how much the dress experience had dented my confidence. 549 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:25,000 He was like, you must have this. And he said, more to the point, 550 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:29,400 it's what you would typically spend on maybe, you know, a Vera 551 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,840 wine piece if you had found it. You must, must have this. 552 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,640 To this day, the only case we've ever seen that cake is on 553 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,600 Beyoncé in Vogue and. Have you worn it or worn it? 554 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,640 It gets to the point where my husband's like, cut it down. 555 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,160 It doesn't quite go. I'm like, really? 556 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,680 What is your approach to sustainable fashion My. 557 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:54,360 Approach now is again agreeing to spend more, to buy less and I 558 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,760 can appreciate you have to be earning a certain amount to be 559 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:01,960 able to do that. It's also in me breaking the 560 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,600 chaders that certain websites had on me where you're just 561 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:10,040 constantly scrolling or hitting new in and admitting that it's 562 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,280 just that little spike in dopamine and you've been a bit 563 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:17,080 low today and how some would maybe order a take away. 564 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,440 I'd go on certain websites and be like, oh, Ding, Ding, Ding, 565 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,840 Ding, Ding. And there's nothing wrong with 566 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,480 those websites because I'm a woman that came from very little 567 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,639 means. I'm trying to straddle not 568 00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:32,080 demonizing people for what they can afford. 569 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,639 Yeah. It's about how often it's used, 570 00:34:35,639 --> 00:34:37,880 how much it's loved. And really, a huge 571 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:42,960 responsibility lies with platforms, not over making. 572 00:34:43,159 --> 00:34:47,159 Not like I wish we could have way less trends per year. 573 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,199 Let's spin on some quick fire questions. 574 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,719 What fashion advice would you give your 20 year old self? 575 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:57,800 You don't always have to be naked. 576 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:03,480 More skin is not the definition of sexy. 577 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,960 It doesn't have to be the definition of sexy, but it just 578 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,680 always made me feel more self-conscious. 579 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,840 The pulling down of the skirt as you're walking the you know, the 580 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,920 stilt like heels. Feeling like you always had to 581 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:21,520 cup your own bosoms. Find your own definition of 582 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:25,240 sexy. Of that fashion trend, you'd 583 00:35:25,240 --> 00:35:28,920 most like to make a comeback. Oh I do love the knit waist. 584 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,440 I love the 40s fifties. But I am simply obsessed with 585 00:35:33,240 --> 00:35:37,360 tailoring on women. A good YSL suit, A good. 586 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,320 Tom Ford. Gucci era suit. 587 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:46,040 Fashion or beauty trend you'd consign to room 1O1 mini? 588 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:49,840 Skirts. I I, I, I I don't believe I have 589 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:51,680 the legs for them. That's just not something I want 590 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,080 to do. A very thin eyebrow. 591 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,640 Whoever. Well, we over plucked our 592 00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:01,680 eyebrows, gorgeous. Oh my God, what were we thinking 593 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:03,880 of? My generation, not yours. 594 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:11,760 Your last impulse by. A very, very excellently made 595 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,120 Valenciaga the turtleneck jumper. 596 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,040 Look, I'm going back on everything I said that can be 597 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:23,040 worn as a mini treats. Your views on tattoos love. 598 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,960 Tattoos, do you have any? Oh, I've got 7 or 8. 599 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:31,080 I, I love tattoos. I and I'm very, very clear about 600 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,200 this. It's my clear as the day you 601 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,920 were born or full sleeves. Beauty treatment you couldn't 602 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,320 give up. This is I can't believe I'm 603 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,840 saying this because I thought it was a fad, but my red light 604 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,400 mask. Yeah, I when it was sent to me, 605 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:50,640 I was like, I've used it consistently for 18 months and I 606 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,720 really see the difference. High end or high? 607 00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:56,040 Street High Street. I'm I'm High Street. 608 00:36:56,040 --> 00:37:00,440 I recently caught the most gorgeous coat from River Island 609 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,760 that I get stopped in multiple times a day. 610 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,480 Minimalism or maximalism? Maximalism. 611 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:10,480 Couture or charity shop? Oh couture darling, let's not 612 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,400 lag. Crocs cutial pute. 613 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,560 Cute, cute. Sneakers or stilettos? 614 00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:19,720 Boyfriends or. Word legs. 615 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,120 Boyfriends. Body corn or boho? 616 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,120 Boho. Beanie or Berry? 617 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:31,760 Beanie Sports. Lux or Rock'n'roll Sports Lux 618 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,760 red carpet or relax? Red carpet. 619 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:41,400 Trendo style, style, colour or monochrome colour, Experimental 620 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:47,680 or uniform on cashmere or cotton, Cotton hoarder or 621 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:54,600 editor, Oligo, shapeweb or sexy lingerie, shapewear, Tights or 622 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,520 stocking tights, Bikini or wombies? 623 00:37:57,720 --> 00:38:00,920 Bikini. And finally, traditional last 624 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,240 question at the end of the day, what do you or don't you wear in 625 00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:07,920 bed? A gorgeous cotton 90 Kelly. 626 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,360 I have loved this. Conversation. 627 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,720 Thank you so much. You've been an amazing guest. 628 00:38:13,720 --> 00:38:15,480 Thank you for having me. Isn't it been wonderful?