1 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:12,500 Hello today, I'm on a sartorial Journey with founder and CEO of 2 00:00:12,500 --> 00:00:16,700 Trinny London. Trinny Woodall training burst 3 00:00:16,700 --> 00:00:21,200 onto the scene on our TV screens, in with what not to 4 00:00:21,208 --> 00:00:24,400 wear with Susannah. Constantine a couple of decades 5 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:29,900 ago and taught the nation how to dress, and I am fascinated. 6 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,500 Mated to understand what's behind you. 7 00:00:33,500 --> 00:00:37,200 The person and your sartorial secrets. 8 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:42,800 And What Makes You tick? I am in or of the person you are 9 00:00:42,900 --> 00:00:48,100 the energy you have. And most importantly, the way 10 00:00:48,100 --> 00:00:50,900 you're fascinated by how women want to feel 11 00:01:01,100 --> 00:01:06,700 So, let's start with your sartorial Journey when when did 12 00:01:06,700 --> 00:01:09,100 it begin? When did you first realize the 13 00:01:09,100 --> 00:01:13,000 impact of clothes? I think if you're somebody who's 14 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:17,300 been in a school uniform age, six and a half, you have sense 15 00:01:17,300 --> 00:01:20,800 of what that one life is, anyone has been a uniform, you know, 16 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:23,700 it's like when you get out of the uniform, who do you want to 17 00:01:23,708 --> 00:01:25,700 be? And I first experienced that at 18 00:01:25,700 --> 00:01:28,300 boarding school at six and a half and I stayed at the 19 00:01:28,300 --> 00:01:30,000 weekends quite a lot at the school. 20 00:01:30,100 --> 00:01:31,900 Cool. And a lot of girls went home, so 21 00:01:31,900 --> 00:01:35,800 there's myself and some random girls from all around the world 22 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:39,200 who stayed and some of us were more sophisticated than others, 23 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,000 but there was one particular girl. 24 00:01:41,900 --> 00:01:44,500 And later actually, later in life. 25 00:01:44,500 --> 00:01:47,100 This happened, Nolan was I'm going to go back. 26 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:53,500 I think, at that age, I had been dressed by my mother and my 27 00:01:53,500 --> 00:01:55,800 sister and I would dress the same. 28 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:59,600 But when I look back at photographs, my brother sister 29 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:03,100 and I were Is the same. So you have these pictures of us 30 00:02:03,100 --> 00:02:08,300 all in a red velvet coat or in a blue velvet coat, but it would 31 00:02:08,300 --> 00:02:11,200 be identical. And I mean, the pain, I feel for 32 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:15,400 my brother is more in this that, you know, probably until about 33 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:18,000 6:00 until he went off to school. 34 00:02:18,300 --> 00:02:21,600 He did have to be subjected to the same tones and he uses are. 35 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:25,500 So my mother quite like she grew up, you know, it was the 60s in 36 00:02:25,500 --> 00:02:27,900 England and it was that matchy-matchy era when you came 37 00:02:27,900 --> 00:02:29,300 from quite a conservative background. 38 00:02:29,500 --> 00:02:33,200 So that's That's what happened. And I, my, I have vague little 39 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:36,800 memories of my first breakout outfit, but they weren't till I 40 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,400 was about eight or nine. And before then, I just remember 41 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:43,700 being a boarding school closed. You know, being the third child, 42 00:02:43,700 --> 00:02:45,400 you didn't always get the new outfits. 43 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:48,300 You got the kind of hand-me-downs a little bit but 44 00:02:48,300 --> 00:02:52,100 then as I got a little bit older and I changed school, I then 45 00:02:52,100 --> 00:02:54,500 remember age 11, there was a girl in my school who lived in 46 00:02:54,500 --> 00:03:01,500 Italy and Bandit on opened. I'm maybe we were now 13, 14 47 00:03:01,700 --> 00:03:05,200 Bennett, I opened and in England, my mother took me for 48 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:08,500 clothing to Emma nests and then she took me. 49 00:03:08,700 --> 00:03:11,800 I just about acne, she took me to a man s also for dealing with 50 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,600 my acne so it was pain, scream or whatever, she cried at the 51 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:17,200 chemist, actually. And then our father 52 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:23,000 occasionally, who was far more Fumble vain than my mother 53 00:03:23,100 --> 00:03:25,300 actually and dressed beautifully. 54 00:03:25,300 --> 00:03:28,200 And he would occasionally, take us to Paris would have the 55 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:31,100 Shopper, you know, but very few in property and I can she 56 00:03:31,100 --> 00:03:33,900 remember five times in my life that he did it, but it was, when 57 00:03:33,900 --> 00:03:36,600 we were sort of spoiled with these lovely, we go and find a 58 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:40,300 lovely dress and can you remember the very first, lovely 59 00:03:40,300 --> 00:03:46,200 dress that made you feel just a foot taller, it wasn't a nurse 60 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:48,100 Rona. It was it address. 61 00:03:48,100 --> 00:03:51,400 There was a dress or two from Laura Ashley with a Leg of 62 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:54,800 mutton sleeve in that sort of linen mix with a sort of wild 63 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:58,000 issue a on it. And I remember I felt very 64 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,500 grown-up. I went to somebody's Bat Mitzvah 65 00:04:00,700 --> 00:04:03,700 and I'm So I must have been about nine and I remember it was 66 00:04:03,700 --> 00:04:05,900 a weird green. That doesn't suit me and I'd 67 00:04:05,900 --> 00:04:08,600 never wear now with white and a little white ruffled collar. 68 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:12,300 But I felt very grown-up in it, so I remember that very 69 00:04:12,300 --> 00:04:15,400 specifically. And then I remember this was in 70 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:20,300 the 70s and I was at school in Germany, and my parents had 71 00:04:20,300 --> 00:04:22,900 moved to Germany. I went to an American school and 72 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:27,900 my mother got me this outfit, which was a very, very wide 73 00:04:27,900 --> 00:04:31,900 legs. Beautiful like a sort of teal 74 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:37,500 had a baby with turquoise fine cord trouser hipster credible 75 00:04:37,500 --> 00:04:39,200 Flair. And then this sort of slightly 76 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:44,400 like slightly Laura Ashley round next top, and it was so 77 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,000 different from all the American Girls at school who were in sort 78 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:51,100 of, then it was very into, we're sort of, you know, talking 79 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,000 Tartan skirt and things like that, but I want this and I felt 80 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:57,300 so cool wearing a like, and it was a really rainy day and I was 81 00:04:57,300 --> 00:04:59,000 wanting to wear at school because it's American School, 82 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:00,900 you, where you, like, my mom said, don't, it's going to rain. 83 00:05:00,900 --> 00:05:02,900 You have to go in the woods and I was like, no, I have to wear 84 00:05:02,900 --> 00:05:04,300 it. So I wore it. 85 00:05:04,300 --> 00:05:05,600 And then we had to do this, walk in the woods. 86 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:09,900 And I remember walking in the woods, and seeing the mud go up 87 00:05:09,900 --> 00:05:12,600 my trouser-legs. We thought my legs, and I was 88 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,900 just in tears, because I was thinking, oh my God, these 89 00:05:15,900 --> 00:05:18,400 lovely trans. I remember the mark never came 90 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:21,000 out and like that was that, that was kind of a mess. 91 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:25,200 Remember that. So vividly, but the uniform side 92 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:29,500 of things did because I think that does leave an impact on us 93 00:05:29,500 --> 00:05:32,600 and there's something fantastically easy about getting 94 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:35,100 up every morning and putting a uniform on. 95 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,300 Yeah, do you feel that you still have that in? 96 00:05:38,300 --> 00:05:42,800 You do you still like to are you a bit of a uniform dress I think 97 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,300 you get to a stage where you find a uniform that works for 98 00:05:45,300 --> 00:05:47,500 you and I think it's great to get to that stage of because 99 00:05:47,500 --> 00:05:51,700 then it becomes you and whatever style changes If you have your 100 00:05:51,700 --> 00:05:54,700 uniform, but I think your uniform revolves every 10 years. 101 00:05:54,700 --> 00:05:59,100 But most, when I speak to the colors, they lease want to wear 102 00:05:59,100 --> 00:06:00,700 a generally. The colors that were their 103 00:06:00,700 --> 00:06:03,700 school uniform, you know. So I'll find somebody and I'll 104 00:06:03,700 --> 00:06:05,700 get a beautiful purple not think it looks so 14. 105 00:06:05,700 --> 00:06:08,200 She got, I can't bear ago and I'm like, why can't you bear it? 106 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:10,100 It's amazing on, she won't say, and then I'll say it was your 107 00:06:10,100 --> 00:06:11,500 school uniform, wasn't it? And she'll get. 108 00:06:11,500 --> 00:06:14,100 Yes, I am. So there with you more color. 109 00:06:14,100 --> 00:06:17,900 Pea-green never, ever, ever again in my life. 110 00:06:17,900 --> 00:06:19,900 Yeah, and I don't know if I should be green, is your color 111 00:06:19,900 --> 00:06:21,000 right away. I love a car. 112 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:22,900 Are you do you mean mushy? Pea. 113 00:06:22,900 --> 00:06:24,500 No proper hockey. But yeah. 114 00:06:24,500 --> 00:06:27,500 Mushy, peas, just horrible washed out. 115 00:06:27,700 --> 00:06:30,800 In fact, there wasn't a girl in the school and I think if you're 116 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:34,000 a woman of Kyrie International undertone, girls for what's a 117 00:06:34,008 --> 00:06:37,100 red undertone skin. But if you have a cool undertone 118 00:06:37,100 --> 00:06:39,900 skin, it just wash them out. Yeah, yes, yeah. 119 00:06:40,100 --> 00:06:43,800 Yes, it's funny. Those sub toriel moments that 120 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:48,100 just, you know, make us into who we are. 121 00:06:48,300 --> 00:06:51,000 I mean, you know, you've talked a lot. 122 00:06:51,100 --> 00:06:57,200 Lot about you've had highs, you've had lows, I wonder 123 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:02,000 whether you use clothes as your armor and anyway because I often 124 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:06,000 think our clothes our armor between our naked self and the 125 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:10,800 rest of the world. I I have trouble with the word 126 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,700 armor because a lot of people use it for different things. 127 00:07:13,700 --> 00:07:16,700 Like makeup is your armor to my but aggressive as I find it 128 00:07:16,700 --> 00:07:17,500 really aggressive. Yeah. 129 00:07:17,500 --> 00:07:21,400 And I stay in feminine. It's not feminine but also It 130 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:24,600 involves that you need this barrier between you and the 131 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:26,700 world. And I think a part of getting 132 00:07:26,700 --> 00:07:30,500 confidence in her you dress and how you feel about your body and 133 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:35,400 how you feel about you, everything it's about having 134 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:41,300 that lovely mergence, you know, it's not about big linear 135 00:07:42,100 --> 00:07:45,600 division. So I sort of say that if you can 136 00:07:45,700 --> 00:07:48,100 wear things that made you feel really a part of what you're 137 00:07:48,100 --> 00:07:51,000 doing, you know, they bring you into the conversation. 138 00:07:51,100 --> 00:07:53,400 And I think a lot of women that I've dressed and done makeup on 139 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:57,500 over the years, it's about how can I dress you that you have 140 00:07:57,500 --> 00:07:59,800 the confidence that how you're going to look. 141 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:01,200 You're going to look more present. 142 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:05,800 So therefore there's going to be maybe an obligation from people 143 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,400 around you that you then have something to say because a lot 144 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:12,500 of people quite shy, it would be much harder to say to them, wear 145 00:08:12,500 --> 00:08:15,300 bright colors and do things. But sometimes that in itself 146 00:08:15,300 --> 00:08:19,500 will make somebody feel that they are present and people see 147 00:08:19,500 --> 00:08:20,800 them and therefore it gives them the confidence. 148 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:25,900 To speak and to have a voice. So it's it's a little circle. 149 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:30,500 Could you talk about and in many of your interviews, how shy you 150 00:08:30,500 --> 00:08:35,000 were painfully shy, chronic and shy and yet training with. 151 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:40,200 We have this awesome woman in you that will strip naked and 152 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:45,000 Zara and is on Instagram virtually every day in your 153 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:48,700 bathroom with a towel wrapped around you with no makeup on and 154 00:08:48,700 --> 00:08:54,400 I'm in or of, is that That is that your way of is that your 155 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:58,500 way of saying, okay, I am not the shy person. 156 00:08:58,900 --> 00:09:03,800 I'm using my clothes and my makeup and I'm fascinated. 157 00:09:03,900 --> 00:09:06,300 I think I'm from close to make up. 158 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,300 There's a lot here around impostor syndrome which, you 159 00:09:10,300 --> 00:09:13,200 know, to me was just cool called when I was younger feeling very 160 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,500 insecure. So I had things that made me 161 00:09:15,500 --> 00:09:18,700 feel insecure. So I had brothers and sisters 162 00:09:18,700 --> 00:09:22,500 who I felt were fabulous and out there and I felt You know, at 163 00:09:22,508 --> 00:09:25,400 the kitchen table in the evening that I didn't have contribution 164 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:26,900 to make. I just, I felt you're the 165 00:09:26,900 --> 00:09:29,600 youngest and I'm the youngest, and the six will, there's two 166 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:31,500 marriages, but I felt a little bit of that. 167 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,300 And then when I was 13, I develop very bad acne. 168 00:09:34,300 --> 00:09:38,800 So I felt very unattractive as a person, and I had really bad 169 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:42,400 acne that when I then went on dates and I had it. 170 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:45,200 So I was 30. When I went on dates, I decide 171 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,200 what restaurant I would go to. And if there was overhead 172 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:50,300 lighting or not, you know, I was that kind of self aware because 173 00:09:50,300 --> 00:09:52,200 people would also talk to me My spots. 174 00:09:52,500 --> 00:09:55,500 So when you have sedan you thinking, they do know they 175 00:09:55,500 --> 00:09:57,500 would. So when you have skin that bad 176 00:09:57,500 --> 00:09:59,700 that people kind of, they talk to you like this and I'm looking 177 00:09:59,700 --> 00:10:03,600 and then I have a quick Flash and you you're really aware of 178 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:05,200 where that eyes looking even more. 179 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:08,000 So when you have bad skin, I don't know anyone who's had bad 180 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:09,900 skin but you have that feeling and it's very strong. 181 00:10:09,900 --> 00:10:13,700 So so then you kind of make up make up for it a bit. 182 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:18,800 And so I was sort of always you know, when I was sort of 1617 I 183 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:20,600 sort of did a bit too much of everything. 184 00:10:20,900 --> 00:10:24,300 And then by the time, I was 24. I just done enough of that, but 185 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:29,100 when you had met me then between sort of 18 and 25, you wouldn't 186 00:10:29,100 --> 00:10:33,200 have felt I was shy because I'd always have something to say but 187 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,400 I literally, like, I'd go to a party and I just hang out in the 188 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:38,200 bathroom as much as possible because I didn't want to go and 189 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:41,600 talk to people. I felt very very or got to talk 190 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:46,000 to people now a lot, I still can occasionally feel that but then 191 00:10:46,300 --> 00:10:50,400 when I then went to rehab and I was 26 because I just done too 192 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,200 much for everything and when You go to rehab what happens is you 193 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,200 you kind of start over. So all the kind of things that 194 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:58,200 you have give you those layers of the onion. 195 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:01,300 There are sort of peeled back and I remember I came back to 196 00:11:01,300 --> 00:11:03,000 London. I was 26 and I literally I went 197 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:04,400 on the Kings Road and I knew she had a panic attack. 198 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:08,100 I was so didn't know who I was because everything had been 199 00:11:08,108 --> 00:11:10,300 taken away. Did your style change? 200 00:11:10,300 --> 00:11:14,000 Then mmm. I had very very long hair and I 201 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,100 would always hide behind my hair. 202 00:11:16,100 --> 00:11:18,900 I'd always like if I was uncomfortable someday, I'll have 203 00:11:18,908 --> 00:11:22,100 my hair right down here and also I still very aware of My skin. 204 00:11:22,100 --> 00:11:25,300 So, it was a very good camouflage to sort of separate 205 00:11:25,300 --> 00:11:27,800 me a good Carden. Exactly. 206 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:31,800 And then, I also, when I look back, I look back at things that 207 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:33,000 I really think. Oh my God. 208 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:35,000 And this is why I have such an aversion to fake tan. 209 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:38,500 Now is I wore a tremendous amount of fake tan because I 210 00:11:38,500 --> 00:11:41,400 felt let me just try and push the spots together. 211 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:44,300 So I'd get this number seven, moose thing. 212 00:11:44,300 --> 00:11:48,700 And I'd put it on a sponge and I'll cover my face in it, and, 213 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,400 and my body and then it got so bad. 214 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:53,300 Bad. I look back at pictures and I 215 00:11:53,308 --> 00:11:55,500 remember when I'm wearing a yellow, the only time I wore 216 00:11:55,500 --> 00:11:59,100 yellow, then a yellow jacket and literally my face on the jacket, 217 00:11:59,100 --> 00:12:02,500 all sort of merge together and it was really bad fake tan. 218 00:12:02,500 --> 00:12:05,500 Then it was only ever orange. And then I'll go and stay with 219 00:12:05,500 --> 00:12:08,400 people in the countryside and their parents would write to my 220 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:12,700 mom and say, look, can she bring her own sheet because it was 221 00:12:12,700 --> 00:12:14,800 really so. So I had that going on to, that 222 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:18,400 wasn't very appealing and I wore, I did wear bright colors. 223 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:20,000 I remember, I still love Benetton. 224 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:21,200 The story. I was telling you about this 225 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:23,400 friend of mine. Sam and she bought a matching 226 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:26,700 twin set for Benetton in purple and yellow skirt. 227 00:12:26,700 --> 00:12:30,000 And I just love this color and I think it's always think of you 228 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:33,700 as as a big color and I think even they're like I remember 229 00:12:33,700 --> 00:12:37,600 being at school a Queen's Gate in London 16 to 18 and I became 230 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:40,300 obsessed with these shoes from psycho. 231 00:12:40,300 --> 00:12:42,000 Remember we're a little shop on Brock friend. 232 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,500 I wanted them in purple and then I wanted the turquoise and they 233 00:12:44,500 --> 00:12:46,800 were really expensive and this girl in the year above had them 234 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:49,900 and she was a part-time model and she was so elegant and soir 235 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:54,000 and I just wanted these shoes. So badly and you didn't have to 236 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,300 wear a uniform as well. So I would, I would dress and I 237 00:12:56,308 --> 00:12:58,100 was sort of finding my style God. 238 00:12:58,100 --> 00:13:00,600 I think with my colored wear our uniform at school, I would have 239 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:05,700 spent so much time working on my looks and I think we weren't 240 00:13:05,700 --> 00:13:11,500 that self-aware in, so I won't you come over your, your school 241 00:13:11,500 --> 00:13:15,100 friends know I was and I was just kind of people would people 242 00:13:15,100 --> 00:13:18,500 would from that age, always end up in my wardrobe and in my 243 00:13:18,500 --> 00:13:21,400 bathroom, because I'd always be fine. 244 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:23,700 Things that were really an expense because honor, I would 245 00:13:23,700 --> 00:13:26,300 literally was earning, like, when I left school, I an eight 246 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:29,200 and a half thousand pounds a year, as my first job. 247 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:33,100 So I was shopping in secondhand stores or at Miss Selfridge and 248 00:13:33,100 --> 00:13:35,500 getting buttons from the bottle, queen of marylebone Lane and 249 00:13:35,500 --> 00:13:38,800 making things look expensive. Customized, I was customizing 250 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:41,400 and then in the bathroom I was putting concoctions together and 251 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:44,700 I was already mixing makeup and skincare then and somebody will 252 00:13:44,700 --> 00:13:46,200 come in present. Say I've got this problem. 253 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:48,500 I'll go, you should use this and this and this because I was 254 00:13:48,500 --> 00:13:51,700 obsessed and I had started from 16 because my mum gave We the 255 00:13:51,700 --> 00:13:54,600 ponds cold cream and I knew that wasn't going to work was started 256 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:56,700 from that age in thinking what will help. 257 00:13:56,700 --> 00:13:58,600 You know, I had a year of just doing witch hazel and then I had 258 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,100 a year of this new year of that. And then I grew up and I'd 259 00:14:01,100 --> 00:14:04,400 spend, I still live at home. So I spent half my salary on 260 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:07,200 things for my skin. I remember that amazing. 261 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:11,300 I was so wanting to get my skin sorted and do you think that's 262 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:15,400 the inspiration behind going into skincare? 263 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:19,200 And obviously, you've got this beautiful makeup range but then 264 00:14:19,700 --> 00:14:23,200 that's progressed into see. Yeah, I think skincare and 265 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:27,000 makeup. I just when I, then spent 20 266 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,400 years making ever women and I did it in England with What Not 267 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:30,900 to Wear. But then I left England, when 268 00:14:30,900 --> 00:14:32,600 what not to wear. And, you know, we were no longer 269 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:34,600 flavor of the month and you went off to America. 270 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:38,700 We went, we did 12 countries so I did America, Israel, 271 00:14:38,700 --> 00:14:42,700 Australia, Poland, Germany, Denmark Sweden. 272 00:14:42,700 --> 00:14:46,600 I mean, phenomenal places. But what I found in that whole 273 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:50,300 experience is, I found out that whatever age you are and 274 00:14:50,300 --> 00:14:53,100 whatever country you're from. And whatever your religion was, 275 00:14:53,100 --> 00:14:57,300 and whatever your skin tone. Was that how you felt inside at 276 00:14:57,300 --> 00:15:02,000 various decades in women's lives was very similar, you know, when 277 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:05,500 do we kind of feel insecure? What what channels are in 278 00:15:05,500 --> 00:15:07,700 security? What makes us feel more 279 00:15:07,700 --> 00:15:09,100 insecure? How do we get comfy with our 280 00:15:09,100 --> 00:15:10,300 bodies? Who's uncomfortable with their 281 00:15:10,300 --> 00:15:12,500 body? You know, and all. 282 00:15:12,500 --> 00:15:16,200 So I probably had 5,000 women I made over in 20 years so that 283 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:20,700 research and what I noticed when we did make it out alive. 284 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,600 When you in clothing, I'm sure you've had the same research but 285 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:28,500 when I then was looking at and I knew I wanted to do my own 286 00:15:28,500 --> 00:15:31,600 company and I Susanna and I got to stage where we realized we 287 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:33,000 had enough working with each other. 288 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,200 We still actually very good friends but we just wanted to 289 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:39,200 pursue different things and I knew that whenever we did a 290 00:15:39,208 --> 00:15:44,700 makeover, what women noticed the first was makeup and I also 291 00:15:44,700 --> 00:15:46,800 noticed all the different makeup artists. 292 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:49,200 We had around the world. Will that make up teams meant 293 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,400 that lots of people and young men. 294 00:15:51,500 --> 00:15:53,900 Makeup artists. They were just do the look of 295 00:15:53,900 --> 00:15:56,600 the season on everyone. Whatever their age was doesn't 296 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:59,300 work and and I just kind of would always go into the makeup 297 00:15:59,300 --> 00:16:03,000 room after and say, look, less red thick eyebrows, you know, 298 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,400 what's that based on her? You don't understand her skin 299 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:08,100 tone and the undercurrents at the undertones of her skin tone. 300 00:16:08,300 --> 00:16:12,100 So I kind of thought, I think, as much as I think skincare 301 00:16:12,100 --> 00:16:14,800 makeup, which one, which one, I thought makeup because it's the 302 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:16,400 thing you see first. Yep. 303 00:16:16,700 --> 00:16:21,200 So that's what I went with. But as through the decades, 304 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:24,900 which I love the way you talk about the decades and how I 305 00:16:24,900 --> 00:16:29,100 style evolved and our careers evolve and we evolve as human 306 00:16:29,100 --> 00:16:32,500 beings because I think it is quite a catalyst those those 307 00:16:32,500 --> 00:16:37,600 watershed moments. But I think you know, when you 308 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:43,700 when you think about how our skin changes and I love the fact 309 00:16:43,700 --> 00:16:50,300 that Trini London really does talk about the, you know, the 310 00:16:50,300 --> 00:16:54,000 older. Or as we get older, let's put it 311 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:55,900 that way because I'm down the path of life going. 312 00:16:55,900 --> 00:17:00,200 Down the path of Life. The Journey that actually it is 313 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:03,600 really really important. You know a teenager you can put 314 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:07,200 anything on whether it's clothes or makeup look amazing. 315 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:09,700 So beautiful Lush skin and beautiful Lush bodies. 316 00:17:09,700 --> 00:17:14,700 And but but as we get older and for me with my fashion is very 317 00:17:14,700 --> 00:17:20,200 much that the working with those women who were 35 plus plus, 318 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:24,300 plus plus in My brain. I'm forever 35 and I hope I 319 00:17:24,300 --> 00:17:29,400 always am but but I don't making clothes that really actually 320 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:31,600 honored their shape and gave them the structure where they 321 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:33,300 needed it. Exactly. 322 00:17:33,300 --> 00:17:37,500 And the same for you, in terms of what can we do to? 323 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:43,700 Just extend the plumpness. And the beauty I for as long as 324 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:47,200 I mean, don't get me wrong. I don't think Beauty goes it 325 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:53,500 revolves but I think it's also not The word beauty, I don't 326 00:17:53,500 --> 00:17:56,800 ever use the word anti-aging. I don't ever use. 327 00:17:57,100 --> 00:17:59,400 So why don't you use the word beauty? 328 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:03,800 Because I think that the beauty industry, and the way that I 329 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:08,400 look at the classic beauty industry, uses some phrases and 330 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:11,400 terms, which I think put women in boxes. 331 00:18:11,500 --> 00:18:15,000 And and I kind of think that, you know, it's interesting when 332 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,900 I talk to we have all different ages who buy our product, but 333 00:18:17,900 --> 00:18:20,800 when I speak to our team and my team are mainly in, Their 20s 334 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:24,200 and 30s and I might say going down the path of life or ageless 335 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:26,200 Beauty and somebody in their 20s and 30s. 336 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:29,200 Ageless sounds old interns which is interesting so just 337 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:33,100 terminology is really interesting but for me what is 338 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,600 universal as a language to somebody of 30? 339 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:41,000 40 50, 60 70, especially in skincare which is language to 340 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:47,200 use is we can all look in the mirror and feel tired, whatever. 341 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:50,100 I ages we can all look in the mirror and feel dull. 342 00:18:50,300 --> 00:18:53,100 Can all look in the mirror and feel that we lack energy. 343 00:18:53,500 --> 00:18:56,700 So the language we choose communicators with our products 344 00:18:56,700 --> 00:18:58,600 is how can your skin feel more alive? 345 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:00,900 How can you look full of energy? How can you look like? 346 00:19:00,900 --> 00:19:03,300 You've had a great night's sleep, how can very positive? 347 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:07,000 It's, it's it's positive, but it's also not sort of saying 348 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:10,700 anti-aging, we all inevitably age, some people, you know, you 349 00:19:10,700 --> 00:19:13,000 and I use treatments and Botox and things. 350 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,800 And I think that's been a part of my life since I was 35. 351 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:20,900 Yes, we do, let's be honest. And and so I think I think that, 352 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:24,000 you know, if I what's really annoying when I look at some 353 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,900 women and there's women that you and I both know and I can look 354 00:19:26,900 --> 00:19:30,900 at women and I can know she had tweetment but never had a great 355 00:19:30,900 --> 00:19:34,100 daily skincare routine or she had a great day skin tone with 356 00:19:34,100 --> 00:19:37,300 you didn't have treatments treatments and she did both you 357 00:19:37,300 --> 00:19:41,200 know, and it's very you can see that in skin because I, you 358 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:43,600 know, some people can think I'll take a shortcut and I'll do you 359 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:47,200 know, a filler or I'll do Botox, or I'll do whatever. 360 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:51,300 But if you haven't looked after your skin every day, On SPF and, 361 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:54,700 and exfoliate it with liquid. Exfoliant put on a proper 362 00:19:54,700 --> 00:19:57,700 vitamin C and put on a proper retinoid. 363 00:19:58,100 --> 00:20:00,100 That's the consistency of your skin. 364 00:20:00,100 --> 00:20:02,800 That's to me the life of your skin. 365 00:20:02,900 --> 00:20:05,300 Yeah. So if you want to have life in 366 00:20:05,300 --> 00:20:08,800 your skin, you know Botox won't give you life in your skin Botox 367 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,800 will mean that you have fewer lines but a great skincare 368 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:15,000 regime, massaging your skin doing these kind of silly mad 369 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:18,300 things. I do, they oxygenate your skin 370 00:20:18,300 --> 00:20:21,000 and oxygenation of your skin. Makes your skin alive. 371 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:25,300 It makes your vibrating with energy and I kind of for me, you 372 00:20:25,300 --> 00:20:27,900 know, wearing color is about vibrating with Angie and I don't 373 00:20:27,900 --> 00:20:29,900 mean in a woo away. Vibrating with Andrew because 374 00:20:29,900 --> 00:20:34,600 I'm not a, I'm not a chakra reader and Aura reader and 375 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:38,500 whatever. I just literally mean in what 376 00:20:38,500 --> 00:20:39,300 Vibes? Come off. 377 00:20:39,300 --> 00:20:40,300 Samedi. Yes. 378 00:20:40,300 --> 00:20:42,600 And and how can you enhance that? 379 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:45,500 Because if I look at anyone in the room and I think are you 380 00:20:45,500 --> 00:20:49,100 flat or do you have good energy and elements that are put 381 00:20:49,100 --> 00:20:50,000 together? Subconscious. 382 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:53,200 So I'm looking at a few people in the room or I'm just going to 383 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:57,300 do it here but it's like, so if I'm really going to can I just 384 00:20:57,300 --> 00:21:00,200 do you guys. Okay, I did you guys. 385 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:04,600 All right, okay, so I would say starting with the lady over 386 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:08,100 there, your assistant, okay, she loves a bit of fashion. 387 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,000 She likes kind of things that are clean. 388 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,100 She probably doesn't wear prints that often. 389 00:21:13,300 --> 00:21:15,700 She quite likes to have a very clean fresh face. 390 00:21:15,700 --> 00:21:17,700 I don't think she ever had hugely bad skin. 391 00:21:17,700 --> 00:21:20,600 She just has hormonal, maybe occasionally Then we have the 392 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:22,700 lovely man. It's about Comfort. 393 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:27,000 It's about probably your hair is important to you and how you do 394 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:30,900 your hair is quite important to. You don't know but you like a 395 00:21:30,900 --> 00:21:31,900 bit of color. I love the fact. 396 00:21:31,900 --> 00:21:33,800 You're wearing that blue. It's a beautiful color on you. 397 00:21:33,900 --> 00:21:36,000 You I don't know if you've intentionally match your socks 398 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:39,200 to your top but there's something nice in your flow but 399 00:21:39,208 --> 00:21:42,100 you still want to be comfortable and you look after your trainers 400 00:21:42,100 --> 00:21:44,400 and they're not filthy and you quite like a team trainer 401 00:21:44,500 --> 00:21:46,700 fabulous so. But I just think it's 402 00:21:46,700 --> 00:21:49,000 interesting. There's psychology of how we 403 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:53,300 present ourselves. What's going on inside is there 404 00:21:53,300 --> 00:21:55,800 every day and we know certain each other, there's so much. 405 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:59,500 And what I love is that actually you talked about the men as well 406 00:21:59,500 --> 00:22:04,900 as women in the in the room. And you know, I think I'm part 407 00:22:04,900 --> 00:22:09,000 of this series will be interviewing men and I, you 408 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,300 know, we all have to decide what we're going to put on in the 409 00:22:11,300 --> 00:22:14,800 morning and close whether they're important in inverted, 410 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:19,000 commas or not to us, we all make decisions about them. 411 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:26,100 And so, So for you, how does your next decade look in terms 412 00:22:26,100 --> 00:22:28,500 of? Do you think about that or do 413 00:22:28,500 --> 00:22:31,500 you just completely follow your gut? 414 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:35,500 I think I live more than any other time in my life. 415 00:22:35,500 --> 00:22:40,100 I live in the moment and I spent many times my life living in the 416 00:22:40,100 --> 00:22:42,700 past or future, because you think that's an age thing. 417 00:22:42,700 --> 00:22:46,800 Now I think it's where you feel you've got to in your life 418 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,100 according to the benchmarks you set out for yourself. 419 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,300 So if You give yourself this kind of instrument will thing 420 00:22:52,300 --> 00:22:55,500 you always live in the past or future unless in the present 421 00:22:55,500 --> 00:22:58,500 because you're quite hard on yourself as to what's acceptable 422 00:22:58,500 --> 00:23:01,400 for you to be you and to get on with you and enjoy that moment. 423 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:05,400 So I think that takes time and I think you know, there's many 424 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,800 moments in my career where I didn't, I wasn't in the right 425 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,000 career and I literally felt somebody would tap me on the 426 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,000 shoulder and say, you know, your shit at what you do. 427 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,500 And I wasn't shit at what I was doing, but because I didn't love 428 00:23:15,500 --> 00:23:20,400 it, it wasn't my future. I felt very insecure that That 429 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,900 somebody would say really you don't know what you're doing and 430 00:23:22,900 --> 00:23:26,200 yeah you know. So I think that that needs time. 431 00:23:27,100 --> 00:23:30,600 I think there's interesting things when you are one of many 432 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:35,000 kids you can be very insecure from that family Dynamic. 433 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,300 I look at Leila who is an only child. 434 00:23:38,300 --> 00:23:40,700 She has that there's my daughter but she has a brother who's 10 435 00:23:40,700 --> 00:23:42,800 years older. So he's not only a few is older 436 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,500 and really can take the piss harder all the time. 437 00:23:44,500 --> 00:23:46,900 He's old enough older that he's protective around her and her 438 00:23:46,900 --> 00:23:49,800 dad is no longer with us so he feels that extra roll. 439 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:55,000 But Lila has this confidence that I never had at her age. 440 00:23:55,100 --> 00:23:58,200 And what's interesting is, when I look at women in my life who 441 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:03,800 are single children, they don't it's interesting because they 442 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:05,800 don't have to compete when they grow up stuff. 443 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,900 And yet they don't have to compete for things where they 444 00:24:09,900 --> 00:24:12,300 grow up, you know? So there's things that can take 445 00:24:12,300 --> 00:24:15,000 away your self-worth when you're always competing and there's 446 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,400 things that can make you lazy, when you don't have to compete. 447 00:24:17,900 --> 00:24:19,900 So there's a plus or minus but it's variants each other. 448 00:24:20,100 --> 00:24:24,100 A very different sense of herself than I did at her age. 449 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,100 She really loves herself. It's fascinating, the whole 450 00:24:27,100 --> 00:24:31,700 birth order thing, and sibling relationships and, and how, I 451 00:24:31,708 --> 00:24:34,800 mean, I remember, I've grown up with two older brothers and they 452 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,800 would tease me mercilessly on the fashion side of things. 453 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,700 Yeah. And so it made me very sensitive 454 00:24:41,700 --> 00:24:45,400 and very aware of it, but it also made me. 455 00:24:46,100 --> 00:24:50,600 I realized very early on the power that I got Got from 456 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,300 feeling good in my clothes. Yeah. 457 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,600 From here on that yet. Either from, from your the 458 00:24:55,600 --> 00:25:06,900 teasing, do you have a style icon I'm also discussion so 459 00:25:06,900 --> 00:25:14,200 often and I feel the certain people I admire and the person I 460 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:18,400 most admire is probably Iris apfel because she has such a 461 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:25,200 sense of dedication to the craft of You know, growing this 462 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:26,700 clothing collection and loving it. 463 00:25:26,700 --> 00:25:29,900 And when I saw her film, and I just saw the way she. 464 00:25:30,300 --> 00:25:33,600 It's a love affair, she had with her clothes and real passion, 465 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,800 such a passion. And she also has she's a 466 00:25:36,808 --> 00:25:38,300 clotheshorse. She's six foot. 467 00:25:38,300 --> 00:25:40,500 She has very long. Incredible legs. 468 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:45,400 Not many much of a boob, so she kind of could wear anything, but 469 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:49,400 she loves flamboyance and she loves being present and she's 470 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:53,400 never afraid to be fully present, so that I really admire 471 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:57,000 that, That I can look at other people that that perhaps, 472 00:25:57,100 --> 00:25:59,900 perhaps have an age, as pair back star, like a sort of 473 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,400 everyone is now in love with the kind of the Grandma Diana. 474 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:07,300 Keaton moment of this kind of, you know, South Hampton house 475 00:26:07,300 --> 00:26:09,700 moment, which I'm like laughs, but I find it really boring 476 00:26:09,700 --> 00:26:13,300 American actually so I don't totally love it. 477 00:26:13,300 --> 00:26:16,100 So I thought I wearing yellow today out so thank God but I 478 00:26:16,108 --> 00:26:22,100 just, I've never I've never really had one. 479 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,900 Hope that makes sense. Yeah I would say the same. 480 00:26:25,900 --> 00:26:27,400 Yeah. Actually, because it's a 481 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:31,200 question that I am always being are ya or you know mind then 482 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,600 we'll feels embarrassed because one should have it but it's like 483 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,500 But actually, yes, there are people that have inspired me and 484 00:26:37,500 --> 00:26:40,200 I think of people like Karen and Bassett Kennedy. 485 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:41,300 And people like that. Yeah. 486 00:26:41,500 --> 00:26:46,200 But I don't have a body. So so actually I think the 487 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,900 fashion it's all about digging deep into how do I want to feel? 488 00:26:50,600 --> 00:27:01,200 And I also think that the style icons of the 20s to the 70s were 489 00:27:01,500 --> 00:27:06,800 in my mind about that woman. Owen, whatever you saw of her, 490 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,300 that was her Bat Star. Now, it probably was ranked 491 00:27:09,300 --> 00:27:12,800 Studios creating her life. What about sustainability and 492 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,200 fast fashion? And we know you love your 493 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,700 trolley dashes into Zara and and all of that. 494 00:27:19,700 --> 00:27:24,600 But what what's your view is so difficult to recycle. 495 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:32,500 So we sell, I, I believe In phatak lie that wherever you 496 00:27:32,500 --> 00:27:34,700 choose to buy from. So there's two things here. 497 00:27:34,700 --> 00:27:38,700 One is how that company behaves behind the scenes and the other 498 00:27:38,700 --> 00:27:41,800 is how you choose to look after the clothes you buy from them. 499 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,100 So, if we start with how you choose to look after those buy 500 00:27:44,100 --> 00:27:46,400 from them. So whether I buy, you know, this 501 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,600 is a suit from Asos and underneath, histories 502 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,100 foundation, and my trainers are awesome. 503 00:27:51,100 --> 00:27:53,200 Romney. So, the suit, I remember, was in 504 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:54,900 the sale. So the jacket was literally 49 505 00:27:54,900 --> 00:27:57,800 Quinn. The trousers or 29, the Drees 506 00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,900 was 1,200 pounds. All right? 507 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:06,000 And they all get the same padded hanger, they all get the same 508 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,600 love in my wardrobe. They all get nurtured, they all 509 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,100 get cleaned. At the same time. 510 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,600 They all get treated very equally because they're equally 511 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:17,800 loved because they do things for my outfits and my wardrobe. 512 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:23,800 And so I look after them and I think that wherever you might 513 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,400 choose to shop. If you think to yourself when 514 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,100 you buy something, how am I going to wear it in? 515 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,300 I'm going to wear it ten times before I even put it in my 516 00:28:31,300 --> 00:28:33,200 world. I think we're we're responsible 517 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,400 is if we think I love it, or buy it, or we're at this party and 518 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:36,700 then I don't know if I ever wear it again. 519 00:28:36,700 --> 00:28:39,700 Exact to me is something that we should really not do anymore. 520 00:28:39,700 --> 00:28:41,700 Yeah, that kind of one time shop. 521 00:28:41,700 --> 00:28:45,000 I think nobody should do it. And when I saw in the mail 522 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,500 yesterday, these all today, actually, there's a huge article 523 00:28:47,500 --> 00:28:50,500 about some country in South America, which has this clothes 524 00:28:50,500 --> 00:28:54,200 mountain, and it went on, and on and on opiate stuff and had 525 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,800 Primark Mabel's, and it had it had t.j. 526 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,200 Maxx labels and there was a Ralph Lauren, t.j. 527 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:03,300 Maxx shirt 39 pounds in this, in this city of clothes and I was 528 00:29:03,300 --> 00:29:05,400 like, I felt sick. Yeah, I felt sick looking at it. 529 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:11,800 So I thought, okay, Worf. Then I also think that 530 00:29:11,900 --> 00:29:16,700 sustainable fashion has been very specific and now it's 531 00:29:16,700 --> 00:29:21,200 become a broader mainstream and now you have some less expensive 532 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:22,800 things. But sustainable fashion used to 533 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:27,900 be very very expensive for 90% of people to buy. 534 00:29:27,900 --> 00:29:31,800 So So it was like great love to do that but actually I can only 535 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:36,200 spend 30 quid on a top and fifty quid on on a pair of trousers 536 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:40,000 and 79 pounds on a jacket and 120 quid on a coat and maybe 537 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,200 I'll do a hundred and fifty quid on a dress, and that's a lot for 538 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,100 some people. All right, whereas other people 539 00:29:45,100 --> 00:29:48,600 might saying 20 quid on a pair of jeans, you know, twenty quid 540 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:53,500 on a top 35 quid on a jacket. So when you're looking at that, 541 00:29:53,500 --> 00:29:57,200 you think okay great. But where can I find things with 542 00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,200 my budget? So then it's a question of 543 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:03,500 saying don't buy so much by less frequently instead of buying the 544 00:30:03,500 --> 00:30:08,300 two, jackets by one jacket, but that's getting very close into 545 00:30:08,300 --> 00:30:11,800 people's personal choice of how much choice they want in their 546 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,100 life when they get dressed every morning and I'd love this. 547 00:30:14,100 --> 00:30:18,100 There's one girl on Instagram who drives me insane slightly 548 00:30:18,100 --> 00:30:23,400 and I won't mention her name but she's she's all about minimalism 549 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,500 and you don't need many things and but then to me, I look out 550 00:30:26,508 --> 00:30:30,500 and I think you always look the same Team and it's a bit Bland 551 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,900 and I think I want close that depending on my mood. 552 00:30:33,900 --> 00:30:37,100 I think that is going to bring this mood and there's that's 553 00:30:37,100 --> 00:30:39,300 going to make me feel sexy. And that's going to make me 554 00:30:39,300 --> 00:30:40,800 feel. I'll get the job and that's 555 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,600 going to make me feel like an float with boyfriend. 556 00:30:42,700 --> 00:30:46,200 You do really strike me as a mood dresser and I understand 557 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,500 love that that you're reaching into yourself. 558 00:30:48,500 --> 00:30:53,200 How do I feel today or yeah, even if I don't feel 100% what's 559 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,800 going to make me feel 110%? Yeah. 560 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:57,900 It's like yellow suit and it's the fries. 561 00:30:58,700 --> 00:31:02,600 And I've had proved then I went like I had to go last week to 562 00:31:03,500 --> 00:31:06,500 board my board meeting and somebody's 90th birthday. 563 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,900 What did you wear to the ball? So know what the same thing? 564 00:31:08,900 --> 00:31:12,600 So I thought, what can be the outfit that works the same? 565 00:31:12,700 --> 00:31:13,800 Yeah. All right, for both of those. 566 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,600 So I did what I did a coordinates Zimmerman which is 567 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:20,900 in this soft snakeskin print and then I had a creams or adjust 568 00:31:21,100 --> 00:31:26,000 know I sort of blush Zara coat. I wore on top that was like an 569 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,400 in-and-out jacket. Sort of work both because it was 570 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,800 a floaty feminine. T.i. wanted for the 90 year old. 571 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,900 Yeah. To sort of not be like, I just 572 00:31:33,900 --> 00:31:36,400 come for the office for her birthday and nobody who's that? 573 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:40,000 This lunch worked and then for my board meeting that I could 574 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,000 have the structure and the, you know, I love the checkerboard. 575 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:47,000 Our yeah, yeah. But that was all by my mood 576 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,900 because I woke up feeling, you know, there's some things I need 577 00:31:49,900 --> 00:31:53,400 to get done at board meeting and and I don't know how many people 578 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,700 I know at the lunch so there were those little voices of 579 00:31:55,700 --> 00:31:58,900 insecurity in my head. Yeah that Did dictate how I 580 00:31:58,900 --> 00:32:01,900 dressed do you, do you feel you dress for yourself your 581 00:32:01,900 --> 00:32:07,000 audience, a man, a woman either women you need to dress first 582 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,200 and foremost every single time for yourself. 583 00:32:09,300 --> 00:32:14,000 Yeah, I am always and have, but that's difficult to do sometimes 584 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,500 because if you feel, but if you want, all I would say, is, if 585 00:32:17,500 --> 00:32:23,200 you don't do it, you then we'll feel I made a mistake quicker. 586 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,800 You just will because some plea. Then those external forces. 587 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,100 The people you're then with You might then comment on what 588 00:32:29,100 --> 00:32:32,200 you're wearing might then you know where as if you made the 589 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,500 decision and you have the strength of decision, you felt 590 00:32:34,500 --> 00:32:37,000 good about it. I mean another thing I tell them 591 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,700 is do a bit is and I used to do this a lot. 592 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:45,000 And on a Sunday I'd always spend an hour looking at the weather 593 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,600 and planning my outfit. And this is very good as 594 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:53,900 somebody has body dysmorphia of any kind or mood dysmorphia of 595 00:32:53,900 --> 00:32:55,600 any kind. All right, so you think okay 596 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:56,800 this is the way, this is what I got to do. 597 00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:00,400 So just the key things that you You think to avoid the 45 598 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,100 minutes, we're late and the 10:15 outfits on the bed moment. 599 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:08,300 So, you know, I kind of put three ideal daytime outfit 600 00:33:08,300 --> 00:33:12,200 sorting through things and three evening things and I try them on 601 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,500 and I take a picture and I think I feel good in that I look at 602 00:33:14,500 --> 00:33:16,300 the picture, I feel good in that, right? 603 00:33:16,300 --> 00:33:19,200 And actually I look good and I think you got the picture is the 604 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,400 important things. It's not a vanity Matrix because 605 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,400 then you wake up on the Wednesday and you just had a bad 606 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,300 call from somebody and you're feeling shit and you've got to 607 00:33:26,308 --> 00:33:28,700 get dressed and then you put that Don't think it looks 608 00:33:28,700 --> 00:33:32,400 terrible because you're looking in the mirror with your mental 609 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,000 headspace, not with your physical eyes and then you need 610 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,500 to look, she go to the phone, look at it and say, have I 611 00:33:37,500 --> 00:33:40,600 changed in two days. So for people with body 612 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:45,300 dysmorphia have, I sudden eaten 300 bits of food that make me to 613 00:33:45,300 --> 00:33:47,200 Stone have, you know? I fucking haven't. 614 00:33:47,300 --> 00:33:48,900 You know? So did that's just your head 615 00:33:48,900 --> 00:33:51,100 telling you? So tell my had to shut up, and 616 00:33:51,100 --> 00:33:53,600 then you just go through it and really just try and have to sing 617 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,400 and say, I am no different from that. 618 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,100 So, let me Let me know it, you know. 619 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,600 Yeah let me know. I'm a big fan of the Wardrobe 620 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:06,100 selfie. Yeah, just because quickly, 621 00:34:06,100 --> 00:34:09,000 let's talk about travel. Do you, are you a good Packer? 622 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,500 I'm a phenomenal Packer, I'm just knew you were going to say, 623 00:34:12,500 --> 00:34:15,400 sorry, I don't, I mean, I do packing videos on YouTube there 624 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:20,500 somewhere and most successful film, but I am, I my best pack 625 00:34:20,500 --> 00:34:24,900 up. Was, I went to I went to this 626 00:34:24,900 --> 00:34:29,300 60th birthday celebration in. In Utah, but it wasn't just, you 627 00:34:29,300 --> 00:34:30,300 two. Are we went? 628 00:34:30,300 --> 00:34:34,699 It was six days away and we went to Vegas and there was something 629 00:34:34,699 --> 00:34:37,300 in Vegas. And then we drove and we went to 630 00:34:37,300 --> 00:34:42,699 this kind of resort in Utah and we were then writing, and then 631 00:34:42,699 --> 00:34:46,199 we were on a hike. And then we went on a houseboat 632 00:34:46,300 --> 00:34:49,100 on a Lake Powell. And then we did a beach holiday 633 00:34:49,100 --> 00:34:51,500 staff and glamorous lunch. Don't tell me. 634 00:34:51,500 --> 00:34:54,500 You were told you could only take one suitcase and then and 635 00:34:54,500 --> 00:34:57,500 then we did a party that night. And then we drove Another 636 00:34:57,500 --> 00:34:59,300 location. And then we did a huge black 637 00:34:59,300 --> 00:35:01,100 tie, and then we did an outfit for the day. 638 00:35:01,100 --> 00:35:05,600 And the next day we did another big themed Costume event. 639 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,900 And then I went to the mountains for the last day I took hand 640 00:35:09,900 --> 00:35:11,900 luggage. Oh, go away. 641 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,500 I look at luggage. I was going to say how many? 642 00:35:14,500 --> 00:35:17,200 Because I planned it so carefully and I planned with 643 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,700 this friend of mine who, you know, pier and we both were to 644 00:35:19,700 --> 00:35:22,300 turn, we've traveled together as women, and I burst will get very 645 00:35:22,300 --> 00:35:23,800 paranoid. That are glues things because I 646 00:35:23,808 --> 00:35:26,100 have occasionally in my life, lost in for another found again. 647 00:35:26,100 --> 00:35:28,900 So, When it's a really a thing like that. 648 00:35:28,900 --> 00:35:31,500 I think I can do hand luggage, and I did it. 649 00:35:31,500 --> 00:35:33,600 And I have a, I have this suitcase. 650 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:37,000 This is very, there's a suitcase from remover. 651 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:41,200 It's not a cheap suitcase, but it's called cabin plus. 652 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:46,500 And it's a bit bigger because it's 55 litres, instead of 43 L, 653 00:35:46,500 --> 00:35:51,800 this is and you put a really big hand bag on top. 654 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,400 So that the case looks smaller when you go to check in. 655 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,500 Yep. And now a days of your hand like 656 00:35:56,500 --> 00:35:58,600 that you don't Need to go to the check-in counter. 657 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,100 So you just go through and all Trini London stuff in all the 658 00:36:02,100 --> 00:36:06,600 stacks, never show up because it's all hard and then the 659 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,600 little things go through. Anyway, even if I put my BFF 660 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,900 into a Little Teapot all goes through, so that's fine. 661 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,600 It's mainly the deodorant shampoo and now I use hair story 662 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,900 which is shampoo and conditioner combined in one. 663 00:36:17,900 --> 00:36:20,100 It's the best thing for her by the way, has story. 664 00:36:21,500 --> 00:36:27,100 So II do love that I just I obsess about how I never I'll 665 00:36:27,100 --> 00:36:30,900 never forget being on that tiny little airstrip in Mystique with 666 00:36:30,900 --> 00:36:33,500 you and you would dissecting my airport. 667 00:36:33,500 --> 00:36:39,000 Look, yeah. And I mean, you're just sounds 668 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,900 really weird, but it's like, I think most people, if you're 669 00:36:41,900 --> 00:36:45,100 going on holiday, you want to start the holiday as you leave 670 00:36:45,100 --> 00:36:47,000 your house. You want to have that feeling. 671 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,300 So you're about to go on holiday. 672 00:36:48,300 --> 00:36:51,600 So I like a great travel outfit. I love it. 673 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:55,500 I want to feel fundamental it sets you up for your weekend, 674 00:36:55,500 --> 00:36:58,900 all your holiday order. I'm yeah, big fan of that. 675 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,900 Okay, guilty secret, what's the most expensive item of clothing 676 00:37:02,900 --> 00:37:06,100 you've ever Bots? Could be an accessory. 677 00:37:06,300 --> 00:37:09,000 No, no, no. You don't have to say what it is 678 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,200 or how much you spent on it, but you do have say what it is. 679 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,200 But you don't have to say, what it how much you spent on it, 680 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:19,000 okay? It was a Prada coat in sequent. 681 00:37:20,300 --> 00:37:21,800 Very nice. Do you still own it? 682 00:37:21,900 --> 00:37:25,400 I still own it and I will own it until I die. 683 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,400 I want it three times. It's very, very heavy. 684 00:37:30,500 --> 00:37:36,200 And when I got it, I had just done a deal with my business. 685 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:40,000 And it was, I've always over the years, like, when each each book 686 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,500 till I did with Susanna, I have something in my wardrobe that 687 00:37:42,500 --> 00:37:44,600 celebrates, that meant that I still work today. 688 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:45,900 Love that. I know. 689 00:37:45,900 --> 00:37:47,800 I have these big believer in marking time. 690 00:37:47,900 --> 00:37:50,400 I think I think marking time is Key and I can literally Ali. 691 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:54,300 I, in fact, I should do a closet commercial on this of the times 692 00:37:54,300 --> 00:37:56,700 where I have given myself a present for something I've done, 693 00:37:56,900 --> 00:37:58,800 because I think we need to do that lovely. 694 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:00,900 So, I mean, you could do a book on that. 695 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,300 Yeah, every piece has its own story. 696 00:38:03,300 --> 00:38:10,600 It's like I do this other thing with with bags because I buy 697 00:38:10,700 --> 00:38:14,900 majority of my bags from Prada and I by Bizarro. 698 00:38:16,500 --> 00:38:17,800 Hm. Occasional Prada. 699 00:38:17,900 --> 00:38:21,000 Yes my bags. And I probably used up this 700 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,600 thing where they had this little thing like for a photograph or 701 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,600 like, what? You put your name inside. 702 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:31,400 Yeah, and I did a picture of Lila so I have Lila six months 703 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,300 old. I every bag I open up and I now 704 00:38:34,300 --> 00:38:38,500 hold the bag has a picture of liner inside, what a gorgeous. 705 00:38:38,500 --> 00:38:41,400 How do you all right? So Lila loves it. 706 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,400 She's like, that'll be mine. That'll be smart about the way I 707 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,300 write some quickfire. Yeah. 708 00:38:46,308 --> 00:38:49,800 Yeah some very very quick fire. High end or High Street. 709 00:38:50,300 --> 00:38:54,500 Oh I would say High Street because it just it's so much 710 00:38:54,500 --> 00:38:57,000 more fun when you get something that is incredible. 711 00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:02,000 Cultural charity shop? Kutcher one-off football golf. 712 00:39:03,700 --> 00:39:05,700 What does that mean? Buy one. 713 00:39:05,700 --> 00:39:09,500 Get one free. Never shapewear. 714 00:39:09,500 --> 00:39:13,200 All sexy lingerie shape, wear sneakers. 715 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,900 All stilettos, Sneakers Sports Luxe or rock chick. 716 00:39:20,900 --> 00:39:26,800 I'd like the two to have a baby. I agreeing totally party wearing 717 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:32,600 PJs. Neither experimental or uniform, 718 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:38,800 both hoarder or editor. What does that mean? 719 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:44,500 Do you keep things or do you Blitz your wardrobe constantly? 720 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,400 Rotation, it's not very quick father when is it? 721 00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:52,100 Then I would say, my answer would be rotation, I rotate. 722 00:39:52,100 --> 00:39:55,500 Yeah I think you're fantastic that types or stockings. 723 00:39:57,100 --> 00:40:00,400 Tights. Bikini or one piece bikini 724 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,500 Trilby or Tracy as in Philip treacy Trilby. 725 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:10,700 And finally one last question, what do you or don't you are in 726 00:40:10,700 --> 00:40:15,400 bed? I went nothing good girl naked 727 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,300 as the day you were born sure am honey. 728 00:40:17,700 --> 00:40:21,700 Trinity what a treat to sit here and chat a to you. 729 00:40:21,700 --> 00:40:24,100 I could have spent the entire day. 730 00:40:24,100 --> 00:40:27,200 Honestly I could just go on and on and you're going to walk out 731 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,800 of here and I'm going to be Why is my ask her this, that? 732 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:31,300 Or the other? I promise you. 733 00:40:31,300 --> 00:40:32,800 I'll leave you alone. Such good fun. 734 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:34,300 But thank you. Bless you.