Hello today, I'm on a sartorial Journey with founder and CEO of
Trinny London. Trinny Woodall training burst
onto the scene on our TV screens, in with what not to
wear with Susannah. Constantine a couple of decades
ago and taught the nation how to dress, and I am fascinated.
Mated to understand what's behind you.
The person and your sartorial secrets.
And What Makes You tick? I am in or of the person you are
the energy you have. And most importantly, the way
you're fascinated by how women want to feel
So, let's start with your sartorial Journey when when did
it begin? When did you first realize the
impact of clothes? I think if you're somebody who's
been in a school uniform age, six and a half, you have sense
of what that one life is, anyone has been a uniform, you know,
it's like when you get out of the uniform, who do you want to
be? And I first experienced that at
boarding school at six and a half and I stayed at the
weekends quite a lot at the school.
Cool. And a lot of girls went home, so
there's myself and some random girls from all around the world
who stayed and some of us were more sophisticated than others,
but there was one particular girl.
And later actually, later in life.
This happened, Nolan was I'm going to go back.
I think, at that age, I had been dressed by my mother and my
sister and I would dress the same.
But when I look back at photographs, my brother sister
and I were Is the same. So you have these pictures of us
all in a red velvet coat or in a blue velvet coat, but it would
be identical. And I mean, the pain, I feel for
my brother is more in this that, you know, probably until about
6:00 until he went off to school.
He did have to be subjected to the same tones and he uses are.
So my mother quite like she grew up, you know, it was the 60s in
England and it was that matchy-matchy era when you came
from quite a conservative background.
So that's That's what happened. And I, my, I have vague little
memories of my first breakout outfit, but they weren't till I
was about eight or nine. And before then, I just remember
being a boarding school closed. You know, being the third child,
you didn't always get the new outfits.
You got the kind of hand-me-downs a little bit but
then as I got a little bit older and I changed school, I then
remember age 11, there was a girl in my school who lived in
Italy and Bandit on opened. I'm maybe we were now 13, 14
Bennett, I opened and in England, my mother took me for
clothing to Emma nests and then she took me.
I just about acne, she took me to a man s also for dealing with
my acne so it was pain, scream or whatever, she cried at the
chemist, actually. And then our father
occasionally, who was far more Fumble vain than my mother
actually and dressed beautifully.
And he would occasionally, take us to Paris would have the
Shopper, you know, but very few in property and I can she
remember five times in my life that he did it, but it was, when
we were sort of spoiled with these lovely, we go and find a
lovely dress and can you remember the very first, lovely
dress that made you feel just a foot taller, it wasn't a nurse
Rona. It was it address.
There was a dress or two from Laura Ashley with a Leg of
mutton sleeve in that sort of linen mix with a sort of wild
issue a on it. And I remember I felt very
grown-up. I went to somebody's Bat Mitzvah
and I'm So I must have been about nine and I remember it was
a weird green. That doesn't suit me and I'd
never wear now with white and a little white ruffled collar.
But I felt very grown-up in it, so I remember that very
specifically. And then I remember this was in
the 70s and I was at school in Germany, and my parents had
moved to Germany. I went to an American school and
my mother got me this outfit, which was a very, very wide
legs. Beautiful like a sort of teal
had a baby with turquoise fine cord trouser hipster credible
Flair. And then this sort of slightly
like slightly Laura Ashley round next top, and it was so
different from all the American Girls at school who were in sort
of, then it was very into, we're sort of, you know, talking
Tartan skirt and things like that, but I want this and I felt
so cool wearing a like, and it was a really rainy day and I was
wanting to wear at school because it's American School,
you, where you, like, my mom said, don't, it's going to rain.
You have to go in the woods and I was like, no, I have to wear
it. So I wore it.
And then we had to do this, walk in the woods.
And I remember walking in the woods, and seeing the mud go up
my trouser-legs. We thought my legs, and I was
just in tears, because I was thinking, oh my God, these
lovely trans. I remember the mark never came
out and like that was that, that was kind of a mess.
Remember that. So vividly, but the uniform side
of things did because I think that does leave an impact on us
and there's something fantastically easy about getting
up every morning and putting a uniform on.
Yeah, do you feel that you still have that in?
You do you still like to are you a bit of a uniform dress I think
you get to a stage where you find a uniform that works for
you and I think it's great to get to that stage of because
then it becomes you and whatever style changes If you have your
uniform, but I think your uniform revolves every 10 years.
But most, when I speak to the colors, they lease want to wear
a generally. The colors that were their
school uniform, you know. So I'll find somebody and I'll
get a beautiful purple not think it looks so 14.
She got, I can't bear ago and I'm like, why can't you bear it?
It's amazing on, she won't say, and then I'll say it was your
school uniform, wasn't it? And she'll get.
Yes, I am. So there with you more color.
Pea-green never, ever, ever again in my life.
Yeah, and I don't know if I should be green, is your color
right away. I love a car.
Are you do you mean mushy? Pea.
No proper hockey. But yeah.
Mushy, peas, just horrible washed out.
In fact, there wasn't a girl in the school and I think if you're
a woman of Kyrie International undertone, girls for what's a
red undertone skin. But if you have a cool undertone
skin, it just wash them out. Yeah, yes, yeah.
Yes, it's funny. Those sub toriel moments that
just, you know, make us into who we are.
I mean, you know, you've talked a lot.
Lot about you've had highs, you've had lows, I wonder
whether you use clothes as your armor and anyway because I often
think our clothes our armor between our naked self and the
rest of the world. I I have trouble with the word
armor because a lot of people use it for different things.
Like makeup is your armor to my but aggressive as I find it
really aggressive. Yeah.
And I stay in feminine. It's not feminine but also It
involves that you need this barrier between you and the
world. And I think a part of getting
confidence in her you dress and how you feel about your body and
how you feel about you, everything it's about having
that lovely mergence, you know, it's not about big linear
division. So I sort of say that if you can
wear things that made you feel really a part of what you're
doing, you know, they bring you into the conversation.
And I think a lot of women that I've dressed and done makeup on
over the years, it's about how can I dress you that you have
the confidence that how you're going to look.
You're going to look more present.
So therefore there's going to be maybe an obligation from people
around you that you then have something to say because a lot
of people quite shy, it would be much harder to say to them, wear
bright colors and do things. But sometimes that in itself
will make somebody feel that they are present and people see
them and therefore it gives them the confidence.
To speak and to have a voice. So it's it's a little circle.
Could you talk about and in many of your interviews, how shy you
were painfully shy, chronic and shy and yet training with.
We have this awesome woman in you that will strip naked and
Zara and is on Instagram virtually every day in your
bathroom with a towel wrapped around you with no makeup on and
I'm in or of, is that That is that your way of is that your
way of saying, okay, I am not the shy person.
I'm using my clothes and my makeup and I'm fascinated.
I think I'm from close to make up.
There's a lot here around impostor syndrome which, you
know, to me was just cool called when I was younger feeling very
insecure. So I had things that made me
feel insecure. So I had brothers and sisters
who I felt were fabulous and out there and I felt You know, at
the kitchen table in the evening that I didn't have contribution
to make. I just, I felt you're the
youngest and I'm the youngest, and the six will, there's two
marriages, but I felt a little bit of that.
And then when I was 13, I develop very bad acne.
So I felt very unattractive as a person, and I had really bad
acne that when I then went on dates and I had it.
So I was 30. When I went on dates, I decide
what restaurant I would go to. And if there was overhead
lighting or not, you know, I was that kind of self aware because
people would also talk to me My spots.
So when you have sedan you thinking, they do know they
would. So when you have skin that bad
that people kind of, they talk to you like this and I'm looking
and then I have a quick Flash and you you're really aware of
where that eyes looking even more.
So when you have bad skin, I don't know anyone who's had bad
skin but you have that feeling and it's very strong.
So so then you kind of make up make up for it a bit.
And so I was sort of always you know, when I was sort of 1617 I
sort of did a bit too much of everything.
And then by the time, I was 24. I just done enough of that, but
when you had met me then between sort of 18 and 25, you wouldn't
have felt I was shy because I'd always have something to say but
I literally, like, I'd go to a party and I just hang out in the
bathroom as much as possible because I didn't want to go and
talk to people. I felt very very or got to talk
to people now a lot, I still can occasionally feel that but then
when I then went to rehab and I was 26 because I just done too
much for everything and when You go to rehab what happens is you
you kind of start over. So all the kind of things that
you have give you those layers of the onion.
There are sort of peeled back and I remember I came back to
London. I was 26 and I literally I went
on the Kings Road and I knew she had a panic attack.
I was so didn't know who I was because everything had been
taken away. Did your style change?
Then mmm. I had very very long hair and I
would always hide behind my hair.
I'd always like if I was uncomfortable someday, I'll have
my hair right down here and also I still very aware of My skin.
So, it was a very good camouflage to sort of separate
me a good Carden. Exactly.
And then, I also, when I look back, I look back at things that
I really think. Oh my God.
And this is why I have such an aversion to fake tan.
Now is I wore a tremendous amount of fake tan because I
felt let me just try and push the spots together.
So I'd get this number seven, moose thing.
And I'd put it on a sponge and I'll cover my face in it, and,
and my body and then it got so bad.
Bad. I look back at pictures and I
remember when I'm wearing a yellow, the only time I wore
yellow, then a yellow jacket and literally my face on the jacket,
all sort of merge together and it was really bad fake tan.
Then it was only ever orange. And then I'll go and stay with
people in the countryside and their parents would write to my
mom and say, look, can she bring her own sheet because it was
really so. So I had that going on to, that
wasn't very appealing and I wore, I did wear bright colors.
I remember, I still love Benetton.
The story. I was telling you about this
friend of mine. Sam and she bought a matching
twin set for Benetton in purple and yellow skirt.
And I just love this color and I think it's always think of you
as as a big color and I think even they're like I remember
being at school a Queen's Gate in London 16 to 18 and I became
obsessed with these shoes from psycho.
Remember we're a little shop on Brock friend.
I wanted them in purple and then I wanted the turquoise and they
were really expensive and this girl in the year above had them
and she was a part-time model and she was so elegant and soir
and I just wanted these shoes. So badly and you didn't have to
wear a uniform as well. So I would, I would dress and I
was sort of finding my style God.
I think with my colored wear our uniform at school, I would have
spent so much time working on my looks and I think we weren't
that self-aware in, so I won't you come over your, your school
friends know I was and I was just kind of people would people
would from that age, always end up in my wardrobe and in my
bathroom, because I'd always be fine.
Things that were really an expense because honor, I would
literally was earning, like, when I left school, I an eight
and a half thousand pounds a year, as my first job.
So I was shopping in secondhand stores or at Miss Selfridge and
getting buttons from the bottle, queen of marylebone Lane and
making things look expensive. Customized, I was customizing
and then in the bathroom I was putting concoctions together and
I was already mixing makeup and skincare then and somebody will
come in present. Say I've got this problem.
I'll go, you should use this and this and this because I was
obsessed and I had started from 16 because my mum gave We the
ponds cold cream and I knew that wasn't going to work was started
from that age in thinking what will help.
You know, I had a year of just doing witch hazel and then I had
a year of this new year of that. And then I grew up and I'd
spend, I still live at home. So I spent half my salary on
things for my skin. I remember that amazing.
I was so wanting to get my skin sorted and do you think that's
the inspiration behind going into skincare?
And obviously, you've got this beautiful makeup range but then
that's progressed into see. Yeah, I think skincare and
makeup. I just when I, then spent 20
years making ever women and I did it in England with What Not
to Wear. But then I left England, when
what not to wear. And, you know, we were no longer
flavor of the month and you went off to America.
We went, we did 12 countries so I did America, Israel,
Australia, Poland, Germany, Denmark Sweden.
I mean, phenomenal places. But what I found in that whole
experience is, I found out that whatever age you are and
whatever country you're from. And whatever your religion was,
and whatever your skin tone. Was that how you felt inside at
various decades in women's lives was very similar, you know, when
do we kind of feel insecure? What what channels are in
security? What makes us feel more
insecure? How do we get comfy with our
bodies? Who's uncomfortable with their
body? You know, and all.
So I probably had 5,000 women I made over in 20 years so that
research and what I noticed when we did make it out alive.
When you in clothing, I'm sure you've had the same research but
when I then was looking at and I knew I wanted to do my own
company and I Susanna and I got to stage where we realized we
had enough working with each other.
We still actually very good friends but we just wanted to
pursue different things and I knew that whenever we did a
makeover, what women noticed the first was makeup and I also
noticed all the different makeup artists.
We had around the world. Will that make up teams meant
that lots of people and young men.
Makeup artists. They were just do the look of
the season on everyone. Whatever their age was doesn't
work and and I just kind of would always go into the makeup
room after and say, look, less red thick eyebrows, you know,
what's that based on her? You don't understand her skin
tone and the undercurrents at the undertones of her skin tone.
So I kind of thought, I think, as much as I think skincare
makeup, which one, which one, I thought makeup because it's the
thing you see first. Yep.
So that's what I went with. But as through the decades,
which I love the way you talk about the decades and how I
style evolved and our careers evolve and we evolve as human
beings because I think it is quite a catalyst those those
watershed moments. But I think you know, when you
when you think about how our skin changes and I love the fact
that Trini London really does talk about the, you know, the
older. Or as we get older, let's put it
that way because I'm down the path of life going.
Down the path of Life. The Journey that actually it is
really really important. You know a teenager you can put
anything on whether it's clothes or makeup look amazing.
So beautiful Lush skin and beautiful Lush bodies.
And but but as we get older and for me with my fashion is very
much that the working with those women who were 35 plus plus,
plus plus in My brain. I'm forever 35 and I hope I
always am but but I don't making clothes that really actually
honored their shape and gave them the structure where they
needed it. Exactly.
And the same for you, in terms of what can we do to?
Just extend the plumpness. And the beauty I for as long as
I mean, don't get me wrong. I don't think Beauty goes it
revolves but I think it's also not The word beauty, I don't
ever use the word anti-aging. I don't ever use.
So why don't you use the word beauty?
Because I think that the beauty industry, and the way that I
look at the classic beauty industry, uses some phrases and
terms, which I think put women in boxes.
And and I kind of think that, you know, it's interesting when
I talk to we have all different ages who buy our product, but
when I speak to our team and my team are mainly in, Their 20s
and 30s and I might say going down the path of life or ageless
Beauty and somebody in their 20s and 30s.
Ageless sounds old interns which is interesting so just
terminology is really interesting but for me what is
universal as a language to somebody of 30?
40 50, 60 70, especially in skincare which is language to
use is we can all look in the mirror and feel tired, whatever.
I ages we can all look in the mirror and feel dull.
Can all look in the mirror and feel that we lack energy.
So the language we choose communicators with our products
is how can your skin feel more alive?
How can you look full of energy? How can you look like?
You've had a great night's sleep, how can very positive?
It's, it's it's positive, but it's also not sort of saying
anti-aging, we all inevitably age, some people, you know, you
and I use treatments and Botox and things.
And I think that's been a part of my life since I was 35.
Yes, we do, let's be honest. And and so I think I think that,
you know, if I what's really annoying when I look at some
women and there's women that you and I both know and I can look
at women and I can know she had tweetment but never had a great
daily skincare routine or she had a great day skin tone with
you didn't have treatments treatments and she did both you
know, and it's very you can see that in skin because I, you
know, some people can think I'll take a shortcut and I'll do you
know, a filler or I'll do Botox, or I'll do whatever.
But if you haven't looked after your skin every day, On SPF and,
and exfoliate it with liquid. Exfoliant put on a proper
vitamin C and put on a proper retinoid.
That's the consistency of your skin.
That's to me the life of your skin.
Yeah. So if you want to have life in
your skin, you know Botox won't give you life in your skin Botox
will mean that you have fewer lines but a great skincare
regime, massaging your skin doing these kind of silly mad
things. I do, they oxygenate your skin
and oxygenation of your skin. Makes your skin alive.
It makes your vibrating with energy and I kind of for me, you
know, wearing color is about vibrating with Angie and I don't
mean in a woo away. Vibrating with Andrew because
I'm not a, I'm not a chakra reader and Aura reader and
whatever. I just literally mean in what
Vibes? Come off.
Samedi. Yes.
And and how can you enhance that?
Because if I look at anyone in the room and I think are you
flat or do you have good energy and elements that are put
together? Subconscious.
So I'm looking at a few people in the room or I'm just going to
do it here but it's like, so if I'm really going to can I just
do you guys. Okay, I did you guys.
All right, okay, so I would say starting with the lady over
there, your assistant, okay, she loves a bit of fashion.
She likes kind of things that are clean.
She probably doesn't wear prints that often.
She quite likes to have a very clean fresh face.
I don't think she ever had hugely bad skin.
She just has hormonal, maybe occasionally Then we have the
lovely man. It's about Comfort.
It's about probably your hair is important to you and how you do
your hair is quite important to. You don't know but you like a
bit of color. I love the fact.
You're wearing that blue. It's a beautiful color on you.
You I don't know if you've intentionally match your socks
to your top but there's something nice in your flow but
you still want to be comfortable and you look after your trainers
and they're not filthy and you quite like a team trainer
fabulous so. But I just think it's
interesting. There's psychology of how we
present ourselves. What's going on inside is there
every day and we know certain each other, there's so much.
And what I love is that actually you talked about the men as well
as women in the in the room. And you know, I think I'm part
of this series will be interviewing men and I, you
know, we all have to decide what we're going to put on in the
morning and close whether they're important in inverted,
commas or not to us, we all make decisions about them.
And so, So for you, how does your next decade look in terms
of? Do you think about that or do
you just completely follow your gut?
I think I live more than any other time in my life.
I live in the moment and I spent many times my life living in the
past or future, because you think that's an age thing.
Now I think it's where you feel you've got to in your life
according to the benchmarks you set out for yourself.
So if You give yourself this kind of instrument will thing
you always live in the past or future unless in the present
because you're quite hard on yourself as to what's acceptable
for you to be you and to get on with you and enjoy that moment.
So I think that takes time and I think you know, there's many
moments in my career where I didn't, I wasn't in the right
career and I literally felt somebody would tap me on the
shoulder and say, you know, your shit at what you do.
And I wasn't shit at what I was doing, but because I didn't love
it, it wasn't my future. I felt very insecure that That
somebody would say really you don't know what you're doing and
yeah you know. So I think that that needs time.
I think there's interesting things when you are one of many
kids you can be very insecure from that family Dynamic.
I look at Leila who is an only child.
She has that there's my daughter but she has a brother who's 10
years older. So he's not only a few is older
and really can take the piss harder all the time.
He's old enough older that he's protective around her and her
dad is no longer with us so he feels that extra roll.
But Lila has this confidence that I never had at her age.
And what's interesting is, when I look at women in my life who
are single children, they don't it's interesting because they
don't have to compete when they grow up stuff.
And yet they don't have to compete for things where they
grow up, you know? So there's things that can take
away your self-worth when you're always competing and there's
things that can make you lazy, when you don't have to compete.
So there's a plus or minus but it's variants each other.
A very different sense of herself than I did at her age.
She really loves herself. It's fascinating, the whole
birth order thing, and sibling relationships and, and how, I
mean, I remember, I've grown up with two older brothers and they
would tease me mercilessly on the fashion side of things.
Yeah. And so it made me very sensitive
and very aware of it, but it also made me.
I realized very early on the power that I got Got from
feeling good in my clothes. Yeah.
From here on that yet. Either from, from your the
teasing, do you have a style icon I'm also discussion so
often and I feel the certain people I admire and the person I
most admire is probably Iris apfel because she has such a
sense of dedication to the craft of You know, growing this
clothing collection and loving it.
And when I saw her film, and I just saw the way she.
It's a love affair, she had with her clothes and real passion,
such a passion. And she also has she's a
clotheshorse. She's six foot.
She has very long. Incredible legs.
Not many much of a boob, so she kind of could wear anything, but
she loves flamboyance and she loves being present and she's
never afraid to be fully present, so that I really admire
that, That I can look at other people that that perhaps,
perhaps have an age, as pair back star, like a sort of
everyone is now in love with the kind of the Grandma Diana.
Keaton moment of this kind of, you know, South Hampton house
moment, which I'm like laughs, but I find it really boring
American actually so I don't totally love it.
So I thought I wearing yellow today out so thank God but I
just, I've never I've never really had one.
Hope that makes sense. Yeah I would say the same.
Yeah. Actually, because it's a
question that I am always being are ya or you know mind then
we'll feels embarrassed because one should have it but it's like
But actually, yes, there are people that have inspired me and
I think of people like Karen and Bassett Kennedy.
And people like that. Yeah.
But I don't have a body. So so actually I think the
fashion it's all about digging deep into how do I want to feel?
And I also think that the style icons of the 20s to the 70s were
in my mind about that woman. Owen, whatever you saw of her,
that was her Bat Star. Now, it probably was ranked
Studios creating her life. What about sustainability and
fast fashion? And we know you love your
trolley dashes into Zara and and all of that.
But what what's your view is so difficult to recycle.
So we sell, I, I believe In phatak lie that wherever you
choose to buy from. So there's two things here.
One is how that company behaves behind the scenes and the other
is how you choose to look after the clothes you buy from them.
So, if we start with how you choose to look after those buy
from them. So whether I buy, you know, this
is a suit from Asos and underneath, histories
foundation, and my trainers are awesome.
Romney. So, the suit, I remember, was in
the sale. So the jacket was literally 49
Quinn. The trousers or 29, the Drees
was 1,200 pounds. All right?
And they all get the same padded hanger, they all get the same
love in my wardrobe. They all get nurtured, they all
get cleaned. At the same time.
They all get treated very equally because they're equally
loved because they do things for my outfits and my wardrobe.
And so I look after them and I think that wherever you might
choose to shop. If you think to yourself when
you buy something, how am I going to wear it in?
I'm going to wear it ten times before I even put it in my
world. I think we're we're responsible
is if we think I love it, or buy it, or we're at this party and
then I don't know if I ever wear it again.
Exact to me is something that we should really not do anymore.
Yeah, that kind of one time shop.
I think nobody should do it. And when I saw in the mail
yesterday, these all today, actually, there's a huge article
about some country in South America, which has this clothes
mountain, and it went on, and on and on opiate stuff and had
Primark Mabel's, and it had it had t.j.
Maxx labels and there was a Ralph Lauren, t.j.
Maxx shirt 39 pounds in this, in this city of clothes and I was
like, I felt sick. Yeah, I felt sick looking at it.
So I thought, okay, Worf. Then I also think that
sustainable fashion has been very specific and now it's
become a broader mainstream and now you have some less expensive
things. But sustainable fashion used to
be very very expensive for 90% of people to buy.
So So it was like great love to do that but actually I can only
spend 30 quid on a top and fifty quid on on a pair of trousers
and 79 pounds on a jacket and 120 quid on a coat and maybe
I'll do a hundred and fifty quid on a dress, and that's a lot for
some people. All right, whereas other people
might saying 20 quid on a pair of jeans, you know, twenty quid
on a top 35 quid on a jacket. So when you're looking at that,
you think okay great. But where can I find things with
my budget? So then it's a question of
saying don't buy so much by less frequently instead of buying the
two, jackets by one jacket, but that's getting very close into
people's personal choice of how much choice they want in their
life when they get dressed every morning and I'd love this.
There's one girl on Instagram who drives me insane slightly
and I won't mention her name but she's she's all about minimalism
and you don't need many things and but then to me, I look out
and I think you always look the same Team and it's a bit Bland
and I think I want close that depending on my mood.
I think that is going to bring this mood and there's that's
going to make me feel sexy. And that's going to make me
feel. I'll get the job and that's
going to make me feel like an float with boyfriend.
You do really strike me as a mood dresser and I understand
love that that you're reaching into yourself.
How do I feel today or yeah, even if I don't feel 100% what's
going to make me feel 110%? Yeah.
It's like yellow suit and it's the fries.
And I've had proved then I went like I had to go last week to
board my board meeting and somebody's 90th birthday.
What did you wear to the ball? So know what the same thing?
So I thought, what can be the outfit that works the same?
Yeah. All right, for both of those.
So I did what I did a coordinates Zimmerman which is
in this soft snakeskin print and then I had a creams or adjust
know I sort of blush Zara coat. I wore on top that was like an
in-and-out jacket. Sort of work both because it was
a floaty feminine. T.i. wanted for the 90 year old.
Yeah. To sort of not be like, I just
come for the office for her birthday and nobody who's that?
This lunch worked and then for my board meeting that I could
have the structure and the, you know, I love the checkerboard.
Our yeah, yeah. But that was all by my mood
because I woke up feeling, you know, there's some things I need
to get done at board meeting and and I don't know how many people
I know at the lunch so there were those little voices of
insecurity in my head. Yeah that Did dictate how I
dressed do you, do you feel you dress for yourself your
audience, a man, a woman either women you need to dress first
and foremost every single time for yourself.
Yeah, I am always and have, but that's difficult to do sometimes
because if you feel, but if you want, all I would say, is, if
you don't do it, you then we'll feel I made a mistake quicker.
You just will because some plea. Then those external forces.
The people you're then with You might then comment on what
you're wearing might then you know where as if you made the
decision and you have the strength of decision, you felt
good about it. I mean another thing I tell them
is do a bit is and I used to do this a lot.
And on a Sunday I'd always spend an hour looking at the weather
and planning my outfit. And this is very good as
somebody has body dysmorphia of any kind or mood dysmorphia of
any kind. All right, so you think okay
this is the way, this is what I got to do.
So just the key things that you You think to avoid the 45
minutes, we're late and the 10:15 outfits on the bed moment.
So, you know, I kind of put three ideal daytime outfit
sorting through things and three evening things and I try them on
and I take a picture and I think I feel good in that I look at
the picture, I feel good in that, right?
And actually I look good and I think you got the picture is the
important things. It's not a vanity Matrix because
then you wake up on the Wednesday and you just had a bad
call from somebody and you're feeling shit and you've got to
get dressed and then you put that Don't think it looks
terrible because you're looking in the mirror with your mental
headspace, not with your physical eyes and then you need
to look, she go to the phone, look at it and say, have I
changed in two days. So for people with body
dysmorphia have, I sudden eaten 300 bits of food that make me to
Stone have, you know? I fucking haven't.
You know? So did that's just your head
telling you? So tell my had to shut up, and
then you just go through it and really just try and have to sing
and say, I am no different from that.
So, let me Let me know it, you know.
Yeah let me know. I'm a big fan of the Wardrobe
selfie. Yeah, just because quickly,
let's talk about travel. Do you, are you a good Packer?
I'm a phenomenal Packer, I'm just knew you were going to say,
sorry, I don't, I mean, I do packing videos on YouTube there
somewhere and most successful film, but I am, I my best pack
up. Was, I went to I went to this
60th birthday celebration in. In Utah, but it wasn't just, you
two. Are we went?
It was six days away and we went to Vegas and there was something
in Vegas. And then we drove and we went to
this kind of resort in Utah and we were then writing, and then
we were on a hike. And then we went on a houseboat
on a Lake Powell. And then we did a beach holiday
staff and glamorous lunch. Don't tell me.
You were told you could only take one suitcase and then and
then we did a party that night. And then we drove Another
location. And then we did a huge black
tie, and then we did an outfit for the day.
And the next day we did another big themed Costume event.
And then I went to the mountains for the last day I took hand
luggage. Oh, go away.
I look at luggage. I was going to say how many?
Because I planned it so carefully and I planned with
this friend of mine who, you know, pier and we both were to
turn, we've traveled together as women, and I burst will get very
paranoid. That are glues things because I
have occasionally in my life, lost in for another found again.
So, When it's a really a thing like that.
I think I can do hand luggage, and I did it.
And I have a, I have this suitcase.
This is very, there's a suitcase from remover.
It's not a cheap suitcase, but it's called cabin plus.
And it's a bit bigger because it's 55 litres, instead of 43 L,
this is and you put a really big hand bag on top.
So that the case looks smaller when you go to check in.
Yep. And now a days of your hand like
that you don't Need to go to the check-in counter.
So you just go through and all Trini London stuff in all the
stacks, never show up because it's all hard and then the
little things go through. Anyway, even if I put my BFF
into a Little Teapot all goes through, so that's fine.
It's mainly the deodorant shampoo and now I use hair story
which is shampoo and conditioner combined in one.
It's the best thing for her by the way, has story.
So II do love that I just I obsess about how I never I'll
never forget being on that tiny little airstrip in Mystique with
you and you would dissecting my airport.
Look, yeah. And I mean, you're just sounds
really weird, but it's like, I think most people, if you're
going on holiday, you want to start the holiday as you leave
your house. You want to have that feeling.
So you're about to go on holiday.
So I like a great travel outfit. I love it.
I want to feel fundamental it sets you up for your weekend,
all your holiday order. I'm yeah, big fan of that.
Okay, guilty secret, what's the most expensive item of clothing
you've ever Bots? Could be an accessory.
No, no, no. You don't have to say what it is
or how much you spent on it, but you do have say what it is.
But you don't have to say, what it how much you spent on it,
okay? It was a Prada coat in sequent.
Very nice. Do you still own it?
I still own it and I will own it until I die.
I want it three times. It's very, very heavy.
And when I got it, I had just done a deal with my business.
And it was, I've always over the years, like, when each each book
till I did with Susanna, I have something in my wardrobe that
celebrates, that meant that I still work today.
Love that. I know.
I have these big believer in marking time.
I think I think marking time is Key and I can literally Ali.
I, in fact, I should do a closet commercial on this of the times
where I have given myself a present for something I've done,
because I think we need to do that lovely.
So, I mean, you could do a book on that.
Yeah, every piece has its own story.
It's like I do this other thing with with bags because I buy
majority of my bags from Prada and I by Bizarro.
Hm. Occasional Prada.
Yes my bags. And I probably used up this
thing where they had this little thing like for a photograph or
like, what? You put your name inside.
Yeah, and I did a picture of Lila so I have Lila six months
old. I every bag I open up and I now
hold the bag has a picture of liner inside, what a gorgeous.
How do you all right? So Lila loves it.
She's like, that'll be mine. That'll be smart about the way I
write some quickfire. Yeah.
Yeah some very very quick fire. High end or High Street.
Oh I would say High Street because it just it's so much
more fun when you get something that is incredible.
Cultural charity shop? Kutcher one-off football golf.
What does that mean? Buy one.
Get one free. Never shapewear.
All sexy lingerie shape, wear sneakers.
All stilettos, Sneakers Sports Luxe or rock chick.
I'd like the two to have a baby. I agreeing totally party wearing
PJs. Neither experimental or uniform,
both hoarder or editor. What does that mean?
Do you keep things or do you Blitz your wardrobe constantly?
Rotation, it's not very quick father when is it?
Then I would say, my answer would be rotation, I rotate.
Yeah I think you're fantastic that types or stockings.
Tights. Bikini or one piece bikini
Trilby or Tracy as in Philip treacy Trilby.
And finally one last question, what do you or don't you are in
bed? I went nothing good girl naked
as the day you were born sure am honey.
Trinity what a treat to sit here and chat a to you.
I could have spent the entire day.
Honestly I could just go on and on and you're going to walk out
of here and I'm going to be Why is my ask her this, that?
Or the other? I promise you.
I'll leave you alone. Such good fun.
But thank you. Bless you.