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Today I'm going on a style 
journey with the British 

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television presenter and Formula
One host for Sky Sports, the 

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vivacious and energetic Natalie 
Pinkham. 

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Hello and welcome, Natalie. 
A bit of pressure. 

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I need to be vivacious today. 
You do need to be. 

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I mean, up your game. 
Yeah, right. 

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I can't think of many better 
settings to do it. 

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Look at this with you here. 
And we last saw each other in 

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Bahrain for the for the Grand 
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So actually that was the first 
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busman's holiday where I've 
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location and not worked at the 
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I could get used to that. 
Oh, it's so lovely. 

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It's amazing to my kids. 
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But then all my friends, we just
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we? 
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It's a a sort of unsung hero 
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It's a really beautiful, calm, 
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I would say it's my favorite 
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whole calendar because it's 
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Just comes alive at night. 
Those palm trees. 

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It's my favorite paddock because
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Well, we need to take to a few 
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But you're right. 
Bahrain. 

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Yeah, you've, you've set the bar
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Very, very high. 
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the lights go, you know, the sun
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and, and then the lights coming 
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Yeah, it's amazing. 
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there because the drivers of the
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test there all the time. 
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understand the nuances of and 
it's sort of really separates 

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and it gives you a sense of the 
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might not get at other tracks. 
So you get to Bahrain, it's a 

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marker in the sand. 
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who's going to be competitive 
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And do you ever go out in the 
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track? 
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No. 
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Thursday night? 
We run the track. 

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I, I heard you say that on one 
of your podcasts. 

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That's amazing. 
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they're, they're normally about 
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So it's a nice distance. 
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the paddock do at 5 laps you're 
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it or you can take a bike out. 
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familiarize yourself with the 
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and just a great way to keep 
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So it's do you feel the ups and 
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you don't appreciate when you 
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So you don't understand the 
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you know the, the challenge that
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like Holland, for example, the 
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It's not until you get out there
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I can't believe the Formula One 
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I you've got to get in the 
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Yes, I've worked on that. 
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seater with Anthony Davidson, 
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He took me around Barcelona, 
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Actually, I did and then I've, 
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some of the drivers. 
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at the beginning of the year. 
So I've, I've done it a few 

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times. 
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Because you could explain what 
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drivers would be fine. 
Anyhow, I'm not telling you your

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job. 
I have you. 

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Have you done a hot lap before? 
I I have, I've been down to 

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Goodwood and also, where's the 
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Did you? 
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Oh my God, yes, I did. 
Racy ladies at Silverstone. 

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I feel like I've seen you at 
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I've with a, you know, helmet on
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Yeah, No, no, no. 
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Tommy's campaign. 
It was about 25 years ago and it

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was fantastic. 
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changes. 
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to about 10 seconds. 
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Yeah that's the world record is 
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McLaren Oh my God 1.82 but how 
can we scroll back for a second?

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How did you get involved in F1 
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So I've always a big fan of the 
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so went to the rate the British 
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of appointment to view 
television ski Sunday rug rugby 

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special and Formula One. 
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consumer sport all weekend, but 
Sundays were just like family 

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bonding sport, you know. 
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for a pit lane reporter and 
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of the blue and I thought, God, 
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But I only had the knowledge of 
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realised how much you actually 
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nuances of the sport, but also 
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have to be followed, if that 
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So if you want an interview with
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it at this time, through this 
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Do this, don't do that, 
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And it I was a rabbit in the 
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It was a real assault of the 
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Like overwhelmingly, Sir, I 
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I can't do this. 
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of view of having a complete and
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How exciting. 
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But then it's also quite 
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followed this duty of care to 
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But then I thought, I think, and
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anyway to always ask the 
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asking. 
And it's not about me. 

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I'm like a conduit for the fan. 
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So because you're being a yes, 
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fun. 
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emotions, work out what makes 
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You know, don't steam in and ask
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Certainly don't ask them a 
question that is, I know this 

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might sound a strange thing to 
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So I think often, particularly 
women, and I'm sure I've been 

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guilty of this myself over the 
years, you want to justify your 

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position, say you belong there. 
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questions with too much 
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say, look, I know my stuff, I've
done my homework. 

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Actually, you don't need to do 
that because you're there. 

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So therefore you've earned your 
place. 

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So have the confidence to ask 
very simple questions and what, 

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when, how, why, and just get the
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in that moment. 
That is really, really 

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insightful. 
I need to take that on board. 

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Actually, no, but just talk to 
me about women presenters in in 

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F1 because that this has not 
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No, I mean, we're definitely a 
growing club, which is great. 

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Definitely massively helped by 
Drive to Survive because I think

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what Drive to Survive was so 
clever at doing was opening this

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up as a sport and saying 
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there's something that everyone 
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And so they were able to deify 
and humanise the drivers at the 

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same time, which I thought was 
so clever because then you felt 

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invested in the drivers. 
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I mean, the amount of times I've
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drivers and they've haven't been
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This is going back 10 years now.
Because they just, they're kind 

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of small little jockeys, aren't 
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And they, you know what, as you 
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might be drawn to them because 
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And then you go, oh, you know, 
that's James Haskell or whatever

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because big lad, Oh yeah, I 
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But with, with Formula One 
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away with not being noticed. 
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when you dig a bit deeper. 
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have done as well as Drive to 
Survive is understand their 

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backstories, because they've all
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commitment, not just from the 
driver, but from their families,

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from everyone involved. 
You know, I remember Max talking

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about how it's, you know, they 
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child, but I mean, it takes an 
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So much sacrifice. 
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understand that and that's what 
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at, you recognise what it takes,
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And then when you watch them 
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corner. 
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Verstappen's at a point now in 
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he's got 4 world titles under 
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He could actually take a year 
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And he said, you know what, I 
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onus not to be on me. 
My whole family's focus has been

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on me and my career. 
It'd be quite nice to give them 

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something back. 
He's just had a baby with his 

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girlfriend, so you might find 
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then comes back and decides 
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But I sort of digressing a bit 
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was about ladies in the sport. 
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that 41% of our viewers of the 
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That's extraordinary. 
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of 30%. 
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Wow. 41 and and rising, by the 
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Wow. 
So as recently as 2021, our 

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sport was 91% white and 88% 
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No, but thank goodness for Lewis
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this incredible trailblazer for 
every minority group, whether 

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it's ethnic background, gender, 
sexual orientation, he stands up

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and speaks up for all of them. 
And because he's got 7 World 

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Championships under his belt, 
people listen and he sets the 

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agenda, which is great. 
You know, you've got him over at

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the Met, the Met Ball, which is 
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And, and he's a massive advocate
for women because all the people

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on his table at the Met Ball 
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which was amazing. 
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we may lose some of that impetus
when he eventually does retire 

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from the sport. 
So I, I think we've got to that 

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tipping point now actually where
he's made, been so disruptive 

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and really kind of made people 
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actually action change that. 
Hopefully when he does retire, 

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which I hope doesn't happen 
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there'll be enough people of all
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in the sport because socio 
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massive barrier as well. 
It's expensive to be an F1 

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driver, to go up through the 
echelons of motorsport and to 

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get to the top. 
So it's definitely getting 

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better. 
We've still got a way to go. 

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But what struck me being in 
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literally in that Mercedes 
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privilege, is it's like fashion.
There are so many different 

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careers within F1. 
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designer or the driver. 
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car, changing, you know, there 
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Drive to Survive. 
You're absolutely right. 

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Has has really expose the sport 
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possible way completely. 
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women messaging me now and 
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sport. 
It's music to my ears. 

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I just love it. 
I remember coming in 15 years 

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women and thinking and actually 
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roles catering PR, the grid 
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Claire Williams or Manisha 
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teams, but then, you know, 
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coming through. 
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absolutely amazing, some 
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Susie Wolf and her team by 
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Really done extraordinary 
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Yeah, she's very cool. 
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an F1 car. 
She's obviously been a a role 

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model to so many to want to 
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as yours. 
There are so many roles. 

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You don't have to limit yourself
to anyone. 

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And really what we need to do is
bring lots of girls into STEM 

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subjects as early as school to 
say this is a viable career 

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option for you. 
You can do it. 

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Don't assume. 
I mean, why would you assume a 

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boy would be better at STEM 
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precludes a woman from driving 
an F1 car. 

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Can you just for, for our 
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just explain exactly what Susie 
Wolf is doing? 

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Toto Wolff's wife? 
Well, Toto's her husband. 

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But yeah, I'm only joking. 
I'm only joking. 

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But listen, it's important 
distinction. 

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But Toto is so supportive of 
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sense of parity between the two.
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incredibly successful leader of 
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does back her every step of the 
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I think what she's been so smart
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unapologetically female brands 
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OK to wear makeup and beautiful 
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You know, the two aren't 
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bit of a tomboy, an expression I
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because it's a misnomer. 
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and your love of racing and it's
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And she's supporting a women's, 
a female only, yeah, a female 

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only racing series that sits on 
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The great part of this is, is it
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And that's the crucial thing, 
this kind of outliers rule of 

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10,000 hours, just just building
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getting a seat in in a another 
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That will be single seater as 
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against boys and men. 
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is because there's been so much 
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Dominicale and the other the 
rest of the Formula One world. 

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Each of the teams is partnered 
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So Aston Martin, Red Bull, 
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their their F1 Academy teams. 
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the spotlights well and truly on
the girls competing so they can 

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show their talent to the world. 
Fantastic. 

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Bravo. 
Yeah, Bravo, Susie. 

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Yeah, she's great. 
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Now, another big project of 
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you Co founded Flak stock. 
Yeah. 

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Tell me a bit. 
So I was close friends to 

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Caroline Flak, which I'm sure 
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will know, tragically, 
horrifically lost her life. 

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She took her own life in 2020. 
Can't believe it. 

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That's that's crazy how quick. 
Hard to believe. 

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Actually, it's hard to believe 
in yet feels a long time since 

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I've seen her. 
So, you know, that's what 

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happens when you lose someone 
close to you. 

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You you do lose that sort of 
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The laugh. 
Yeah. 

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The voice, the smell, the smell,
like everything. 

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Yeah, it does fade. 
And that sort of panics you 

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slightly, doesn't it? 
And obviously there was a huge 

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amount of pain around her 
suicide because there inevitably

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always is anger, shame, guilt, 
all the emotions, a lot of 

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toxicity because of the press 
and the CPS and the police. 

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And there was just so, it was so
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And then months later, I sort of
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I used to dream about her a lot 
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what do you think if we did a 
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celebrate her life and to try 
and actually change the 

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narrative a bit about how she's 
remembered. 

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And Christine loved that because
festivals were kind of Flaky's 

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things. 
She just loved them. 

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So yeah, we set up Flak stock 
with a group of like, and her 

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twin sister Jodie and Dawno 
Porter, Anna Blue, Sarah Tyclip.

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There's a there's a, there's 
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it. 
And yeah, this is our fourth 

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year. 
It's on August the 8th at 

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Crystal Palace Bowl. 
And it's been amazing because 

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we, you know, we want to, we 
really want to forge a positive 

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legacy for her in the mental 
health space because we all knew

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she had vulnerabilities, but 
obviously none of us thought for

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a minute that she would take her
own life, which was is 

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devastating. 
It's and the guilt never goes 

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away. 
However much someone says, you 

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know, you can't blame yourself. 
You always wonder what if I 

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constantly scroll back over our 
last messages to each other. 

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But I also realise, you know, 
it's great to do this feel good 

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music event every year. 
And we do get amazing music 

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acts. 
I mean, we've had everyone from 

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Tom Grennan, Tom Walker, Pixie 
Lott, Ronan Keating, Fleurice, 

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Louise Redknapp, like we've had 
everyone like, perform for 

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nothing. 
This year's line up is looking 

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great as well. 
Tell me. 

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I don't want to jinx it. 
Like in case. 

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Yeah, but they're big. 
Like we're talking, we're 

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talking some really big names 
making comebacks. 

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Oh, how exciting got to come. 
And how many? 

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What's the size of the audience?
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10,000 and we divide the money 
up equally between Choose Love, 

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Charlie Waller Trust, which is 
suicide prevention, charity Mind

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and Samaritans. 
And they're all causes that were

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kind of close to our hearts for 
obvious reasons. 

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But what we realised is it's 
great to have this feel good 

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event once a year. 
It's great to bring people 

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together. 
It's a safe space. 

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Very, very female, actually very
family oriented. 

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Yeah, we realised a lot of women
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but we also recognise that we 
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the year. 
We can't just sort of prize 

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people out of their safe space 
to talk about mental health 

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because we do have a, we do have
like a Wellness area and we do 

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have speakers come along and it 
is so it is a safe space. 

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But then I've anecdotally, we 
were finding out lots of people 

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were struggling in the days, 
weeks and months after flak 

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stock, myself included. 
I remember going to the Belgian 

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Grand Prix straight off the back
of it and it was when Sinead 

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O'Connor died. 
And I don't even know Sinead 

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O'Connor, but I could not stop 
crying. 

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Triggers. 
Yeah, it because she had such 

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Sinead O'Connor had such a sad 
story. 

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And then anyway, I, it occurred 
to me, I thought we've got to do

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more between the flax stocks. 
So now we're doing some really 

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cool stuff. 
Although it does actually, it 

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sort of needs a full Time Team 
on it, which obviously is hard 

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to do with children. 
And we're all working mums and 

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obviously the F1 calendar is 
quite uncompromising that to 

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that extent, but. 
We're developing an AI app which

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we want to roll out for young 
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So what we're finding is that 
lots of young people don't talk 

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to adults because they fear 
judgement. 

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They won't necessarily go to a 
parent or a teacher, but they'll

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have say you want to connect 
them with a therapist. 

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That can take weeks or months to
the NHS, by which point, God 

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forbid, it could be 
catastrophic. 

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And then we know that we can do 
pre emptive measures to stop a 

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child getting to that critical 
stage of their mental health 

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struggle. 
So this avatar you can curate to

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suit you on your say, you can 
select it's gender, it's accent,

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love that background, whatever. 
Just so that it's relatable. 

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And say, for example, a teenager
has a panic attack in the middle

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of the night because they now 
got an exam the next day, they 

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can tap into Remy Remy's the 
working title for this and talk 

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to Remy and say Remy, I'm 
struggling what do I do? 

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And Remy's there for you 
anytime, day or night. 

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And it really excites me because
now I finally feel as if we're 

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going to do something really 
positive for Caroline that could

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save lives. 
Yes. 

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That's not just raising money 
that you then redistribute to to

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the different, which is very 
important. 

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And by the way, I've had 
unbelievable support from the 

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world of F1 because obviously it
costs money to put this on and 

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the music acts don't charge 
anything ever. 

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But technical riders, I was 
going to say the the cost is 

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expensive. 
Isn't it quite stressful raising

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the money? 
But F1's been amazing. 

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And it's about, you know, 
channelling that because 

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everyone wants to do something 
in this space because it, it 

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matters to so many people, 
doesn't it? 

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Mental health matters. 
And also, in the F1 terms, if 

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you can improve the mental 
health of every single member of

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your staff, imagine the 
performance gains he's always 

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going to sell it in on. 
Yeah, Yeah. 

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Yeah. 
In in F1 speak. 

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Exactly. 
Now, today we're going on a 

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style journey. 
Yes. 

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So tell me about what you're 
wearing. 

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OK. 
So this is a rare moment that 

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I'm wearing a dress. 
I don't think I've ever seen you

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in a dress. 
I don't think I've ever worn a 

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dress part of my wedding day. 
This was actually a dress by 

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Beulah. 
And Beulah was set up by two 

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great friends of mine, Lavinia 
Brennan. 

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And that's Rufus Isaac and it's 
an amazing company because 

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Beulah means going from darkness
to light. 

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And what they do is they empower
women by going back to the the 

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roots of the silk to India and 
they educate and train the 

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ladies to make these handmade 
dresses, which are gorgeous. 

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I actually got a payout. 
I've never told anyone. 

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This might might have to be 
edited. 

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I got a payout by the now 
defunct News of the World for 

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phone tapping. 
Good for you. 

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This is a long, long time ago. 
I was just part of a group case 

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and I didn't know what to do 
with this money because it felt 

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weird getting it. 
So I gave it all to Beulah in 

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the hope that so I'm actually 
sort of, you know, I have a 

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vested interest in it, but I 
didn't do it for that. 

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I did it because I love these 
girls and I love what they were 

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trying to do. 
Anyway, I remember before I got 

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married I was to dreamily walk 
past your shop on the Fulham 

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Road and hearts and my eyes at 
your wedding dresses. 

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Buda actually ended up making me
a wedding dress, the only 

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wedding dress they've ever made.
But I I liked walking down the 

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aisle. 
Obviously I would have loved to 

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have bought one of yours, but 
they made me one from the silks 

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that they sourced in India and 
from a sweet lady that they had 

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trained up. 
So I liked the back story to 

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wearing their wedding dress and 
I've just been with the girls, 

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hence wearing the dress, But I 
think I need to probably embrace

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my femininity a bit more because
I'm much more used to wearing it

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really suits you. 
Does it? 

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Yes, sort of. 
So you walk in, I think, gosh, 

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is it the fraud in a dress? 
No, don't really don't fab. 

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I love wearing I love wearing 
like practicality is a massive 

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thing in F1. 
So, but also I love the way you 

448
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,400
slung a leather jacket over your
shoulders because I think, I 

449
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,680
think we're probably quite 
similar. 

450
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:13,600
We don't like anything too girly
and probably tend to not the 

451
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:17,000
tomboy in us, but there's sort 
of, it's just about bringing 

452
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,840
that actually more sportiness 
into it. 

453
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:23,560
And so you've got a sort of 
motto leather jacket over your 

454
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,080
shoulders. 
And I and I like that 

455
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:30,440
contradiction between femininity
and androgyny, I guess. 

456
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,960
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
And I do like androgynous. 

457
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,760
Look, I have to say now, you 
grew up in Northamptonshire. 

458
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:38,520
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

459
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:42,360
Your mother was a barrister. 
Yes, still is, my goodness. 

460
00:24:42,360 --> 00:24:44,920
Still a full time barrister and 
a carer for my dad who has 

461
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:46,440
dementia. 
So she's a busy lady. 

462
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:48,560
Well, I'm sorry to hear that. 
Thank you. 

463
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:53,000
But was her style impactful on 
you? 

464
00:24:53,120 --> 00:24:55,680
Funny you should say that 
because her mum didn't actually 

465
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,520
qualify until she was 40. 
We just thought she made great 

466
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:03,160
flapjack and was an amazing mum.
We didn't know there was a great

467
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:04,760
brain in here as well. 
Good for her. 

468
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,000
I know. 
And she just went to law school 

469
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,840
and then she went down to bar 
school in London, smashed it. 

470
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:11,680
And we were like. 
Oh my. 

471
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,320
God, so she's a great role model
to me that you can sort of 

472
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,680
change direction in life. 
But one thing I always remember 

473
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:22,360
in terms of her style is that 
because when she first 

474
00:25:22,360 --> 00:25:25,120
qualified, she had to wear a wig
and gown to court. 

475
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:29,800
That's quite shocking as a child
or, you know, as a daughter, but

476
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,960
she would she would sort of like
customise the look. 

477
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,080
So she she used it. 
So she always used to like, dye 

478
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,640
her hair crazy colours and she 
always used to wear like bright 

479
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:42,240
colours on her nails and like to
try and just sort of personalise

480
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,560
the look of it and, and feminise
it. 

481
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,600
Yeah. 
Very androgynous, isn't it, That

482
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,360
weak thing? 
Absolutely. 

483
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,880
But I, yeah. 
So I've always loved that in her

484
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,320
and I've always sort of followed
suit. 

485
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,480
I've always sort of tried to, 
I've had every hairstyle under 

486
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,120
the sun and, you know, although 
this one's been a bit boring and

487
00:26:00,120 --> 00:26:02,960
old now. 
But anyway, yeah, so Mum's had, 

488
00:26:03,120 --> 00:26:05,480
although Mum always used to try 
and put me in law, Ashley 

489
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:09,480
growing up always. 
And I'd go, Mum, I just, I'd be 

490
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,800
much happier in a pair of brown 
corduroy dungarees. 

491
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,400
And I used to cut my hair short 
and pretend I was a boy. 

492
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,840
Yeah. 
Now I, I just wanted to come 

493
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:22,160
back to that word, You know, you
said, I hate that word, tomboy. 

494
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:30,080
But I read somewhere that you, 
you passed off into the boys 

495
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:34,760
relay team And and I thought, 
God, there's, there's a, a 

496
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:40,760
lovely spirit there that of I 
don't care of what my gender is,

497
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:42,400
I'm just going to do it. 
Well, actually, do you know 

498
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:43,640
what? 
Looking back on it, it's a bit 

499
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,200
depressing because there was 
just, there were no options for 

500
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,280
girls that were sporty. 
They're just, you know, if you 

501
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,560
wanted to compete at the highest
level, you had to be a boy. 

502
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,440
I thought, God, how awful is 
that? 

503
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,760
And was that because of what 
school you were in? 

504
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,160
I think it's because, yeah, 
girls sport just wasn't 

505
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,640
supported in the same way in the
school that you were 30 years 

506
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:02,200
ago. 
Yeah. 

507
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,720
Or, or just generally. 
So we got all the way through to

508
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,400
the national finals and I got 
busted coming out of the girls 

509
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,160
loo and they just said, Pinkham,
are you in fact a girl? 

510
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,040
And I have. 
No. 

511
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,840
I mean, yes. 
So we were disqualified. 

512
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,920
Can you badger that now? 
I had a heartbreaking, 

513
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,840
ridiculous haircut. 
I bowl like this. 

514
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:28,120
And I just used to totally flat 
chested until I was about 15. 

515
00:27:28,120 --> 00:27:33,480
So I used to just pretend I was 
a boy in terms of, you know, but

516
00:27:34,360 --> 00:27:38,640
my daughter even now to Willow 
is so similar to me. 

517
00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:42,000
So she is quite girly in the 
sense that, you know, she loves 

518
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,720
Taylor Swift and Sabrina 
Carpenter and she, you know, 

519
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:49,680
she's kind of into that scene. 
But she will always wear like 

520
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,720
baggy trousers, little crop tops
and or, you know, she's quite 

521
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,280
boyish, but she has like long 
flowing blonde hair. 

522
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:01,520
But she's the only girl on the 
whole Football League, which I 

523
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:05,160
just think, how is this even 
happening that 30 years on 

524
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:06,880
you're still the only girl in 
the whole league. 

525
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,400
And she's tough. 
I mean, she's she's nails and 

526
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,000
getting tougher. 
Yeah. 

527
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,960
She like she did this sort of 
double footed slide tackle and I

528
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,000
was like wincing and this boy 
was like squealing on. 

529
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:20,720
She went. 
Should have won a shin pad, 

530
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:25,200
shouldn't he? 
I was like, you secretly quite. 

531
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:27,960
Yeah. 
Tag your mum on the side. 

532
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,240
She's she's she's very stylish 
actually. 

533
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,080
So she's and she's got some 
attitude. 

534
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:38,960
I put something on last night 
and she went I mean, I wouldn't,

535
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:44,520
but you do you How old eight. 
Oh my God, I mean you do you. 

536
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,720
Where have you even heard that? 
And what was her issue with what

537
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,320
you were wearing? 
She just she went. 

538
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:53,000
I just it's not vibing for me. 
I'm like, where's this chat 

539
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,960
coming from? 
Where these and what were you 

540
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,800
wearing describe it? 
I think she was probably right. 

541
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,760
It was a sort of jumpsuit thing 
that was just didn't, didn't 

542
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,560
really flatter me. 
So I didn't put it back. 

543
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,320
All I was going to say, Did you 
take it off? 

544
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,160
Yeah, took it off. 
And I'll never wear it. 

545
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,240
I've sent it back. 
But she's brutal. 

546
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:15,360
Scrolling back. 
Do you remember when that moment

547
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,440
when clothes actually had an 
impact on you? 

548
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,320
Yeah, absolutely. 
I remember. 

549
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:25,680
I remember my first dress For 
what do they call them back then

550
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,760
We used to have these, like, 
school balls. 

551
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,040
Yeah. 
And I remember this first dress 

552
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:35,120
and it was like a green velvet, 
quite short, but like kind of 

553
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,120
off the shoulder. 
But I I've never been that 

554
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,560
comfortable with my body. 
Like, I've always had really 

555
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,760
knobbly knees. 
So I've always liked being 

556
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:43,880
conscious about. 
Hang on a second. 

557
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,600
This is extraordinary. 
You are super fit. 

558
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,200
Super fit. 
Well, you've run marathons. 

559
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,640
You. 
You're a very sporty family. 

560
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,480
Yeah. 
But I've always been very 

561
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,480
conscious of being too muscly. 
I'm called the greyhound in the 

562
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,040
house because that's kind of 
wire. 

563
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:02,560
Is it battering, though, isn't 
it? 

564
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,960
If my kids see a greyhound like 
walking down the street, they 

565
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,920
go, Mummy, there's a lot of 
teasing in our family. 

566
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,280
So I've always been like 
conscious on like covering up 

567
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,240
parts of my body, which is a bit
of a shame actually, because you

568
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,560
should embrace it. 
Oh, can I just say you're the 

569
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,720
same? 
Embrace it at this age. 

570
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,000
Just go for it, get it out 
there. 

571
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:23,600
I know you're. 
You're right. 

572
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,400
You're right. 
But Mum will always tell you 

573
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,800
that she tried to make me pretty
and feminine and I wasn't having

574
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:30,640
any of it. 
Yeah. 

575
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:32,520
But I I was the same. 
Yeah. 

576
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,120
Two older brothers. 
I was one of the boys. 

577
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:36,240
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

578
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,160
And then. 
And suddenly then you're not. 

579
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:39,280
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

580
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,760
And it's interesting, isn't it? 
Because style is so much about a

581
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,400
sense of self, and you're 
working that out for so much of 

582
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:48,560
your life. 
Even now. 

583
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:52,960
I know what I don't like, but I 
think you're always evolving 

584
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:58,440
that in the chapters of your 
life, but you probably always 

585
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:05,080
come back to that sort of 
childhood of what instinctively 

586
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,000
feels right for you. 
And it's totally agree. 

587
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:13,200
And it's more a gut feeling than
a working it out because I do 

588
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,080
see other people, like other 
friends of mine. 

589
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,440
I've got a good friend called 
Zoe Hardman who really goes for 

590
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,960
it with her fashion. 
Naomi Schiff on Sky as well 

591
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,520
really goes for it and she 
really does, doesn't she? 

592
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,560
I met her at the Bahrain Grand 
Prix last year, I think. 

593
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,960
And she was chatting, we were 
chatting about clothes because 

594
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:36,480
it, it's quite, there's a lot 
happening during a Grand Prix 

595
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:40,040
weekend definitely. 
So how do you go about planning 

596
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,520
that? 
So I've got an amazing friend 

597
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,600
who is stylist called Annie 
Mile. 

598
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:48,800
And Annie totally gets F1 and 
totally gets me. 

599
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,680
So she has all the parts of my 
body I want to cover up. 

600
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,320
She has the bits that I'm 
comfortable to accentuate and 

601
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,480
what I'm not. 
And she also recognises the 

602
00:31:55,480 --> 00:32:01,880
practicalities of an F1 weekend.
So for example, you can't wear 

603
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,560
heels and you can't wear open 
toe shoes, so they have to be 

604
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,760
flat. 
So a lot of trainers. 

605
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,560
But actually sometimes you can 
be a bit more experimental and 

606
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:15,000
wears, you know, lovely pumps or
you know, there are options, but

607
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:19,120
Annie finds them for me. 
But also, you know, if you've 

608
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,680
got 3 minute ad break to run to 
the loo, you've got to be able 

609
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:26,280
to get the backpack, you know, 
the mic packs off and true. 

610
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,160
So actually I dumped down the 
loo. 

611
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:29,960
I know I have done that, which 
has happened. 

612
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,840
So yes, so jumpsuits, things 
like that aren't practical. 

613
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:40,520
So actually really what I might 
go to now and even someone 

614
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,720
commented, are you only ever 
going to wear buggy trousers and

615
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,720
tops now? 
Well, probably, yeah. 

616
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,360
Because that's they're so 
comfortable. 

617
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,320
You've got to be comfortable in 
the pit lane. 

618
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,280
It's got to be practical. 
But you can also show a bit of 

619
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,640
your own sense of style. 
So, you know, I love waist coats

620
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:59,040
with like wider trousers. 
I'm sure that looked, that 

621
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:00,880
looked great. 
I mean, I love that. 

622
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:05,080
But I know some people don't. 
A lot of men don't because it's 

623
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,840
a rainy bit androgynous. 
And that's probably probably 

624
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:10,040
why. 
Get your pins out. 

625
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,760
Like, no, thanks. 
But what's happened isn't my 

626
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:14,920
imagination. 
But those pit lanes can be 

627
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:16,640
incredible. 
Well, the tracks can be 

628
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,640
incredibly windy, very windy, as
I found out in South Korea. 

629
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,640
Back in with your skirt above 
your head. 

630
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:24,080
No. 
Yes. 

631
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,080
Do you know what? 
This is a great story about 

632
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,240
Bernie Eccleston because I 
didn't know this picture was out

633
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:30,720
there. 
But basically the gust of wind, 

634
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,840
a snapper got the shot and I 
found about found out about it 

635
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:39,440
was about to go on in the sun. 
And I told Bernie Eccleston 

636
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:43,240
about this and he phoned the 
camera man, the the photographer

637
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:47,200
and said if that goes to print, 
your pass won't work at the next

638
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,320
Grand Prix. 
You don't stitch Natalie up like

639
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,200
that. 
And I was like, wow, he's a 

640
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,160
feminist. 
Because he was like, you know, 

641
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,640
obviously Bernie loved the grid 
girls and everything else, but 

642
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:02,480
actually he's got two daughters.
He has got a lovely wife, 

643
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,440
Fabiana, great girl and so 
actually he's all for sticking 

644
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,120
up for girls in the moment. 
But then I was like, can I just 

645
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,639
see the picture and see what my 
bum looks like and then if it's 

646
00:34:11,639 --> 00:34:15,320
OK, I know it just ring my dad a
morning before. 

647
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,400
Did you see the picture? 
I never saw it, but but I asked 

648
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:19,480
a couple of people who did and 
they went. 

649
00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:21,480
I know it looks your bum looks 
quite pre kids. 

650
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:22,960
You see my bum was still quite 
hurt. 

651
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:24,639
You're an amazing bum. 
Stop it. 

652
00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:30,360
Honestly, in terms of the the 
sort of getting dressed for 

653
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:35,080
those weekends, do the do does 
Sky give you any support? 

654
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,400
Absolutely. 
So back 14 years ago when I 

655
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,800
first started with Sky, there 
was definitely, and thank 

656
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,120
goodness this this is a phase 
that's passed. 

657
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:48,400
But there was definitely a sense
of dressing girl, all the women 

658
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,719
on Sky a certain way. 
And that was not my style at 

659
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,679
all. 
So don't get me wrong. 

660
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,520
I remember that actually, Yeah. 
And and don't get me wrong, they

661
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:03,160
those sort of bando dresses look
great on girls like my great pal

662
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,640
Kirsty Gallagher wears them and 
she looks incredible. 

663
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,600
But I just just not me. 
I feel way too self-conscious. 

664
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:15,440
I feel like fiddly and and race 
one in Australia, they still put

665
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,560
me in this dress and these heels
and I was like, Oh no, I looked 

666
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,000
so awkward totting around the 
tottering around. 

667
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:22,960
And I remember one of the girls 
who I knew was just laughing at 

668
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,480
me going what are you wearing? 
I don't know, you know, it's the

669
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,840
look and they were like, it's 
not your look. 

670
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:33,960
Like embrace individuality. 
And actually in fairness, quite 

671
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,800
soon after that, Sky recognised 
that actually people should be 

672
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,760
able to celebrate who they are 
and, you know, and work with 

673
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,400
that. 
So now we do have a lot of help 

674
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,360
with that and but Annie's 
amazing. 

675
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,800
She's the one that sources 
everything for me and she's 

676
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,040
quite smart about doing some 
from High Street, some higher 

677
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,840
end bits and then also 
sustainable stuff. 

678
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,640
Yeah, she thinks about what she 
puts together the looks, and 

679
00:35:58,280 --> 00:35:59,640
it's more considered than it 
might look. 

680
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,080
Totally, totally not. 
What about glam? 

681
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,200
Do they provide you with that or
do you? 

682
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:07,000
What do you mean hair and 
makeup? 

683
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:11,200
Yes. 
Never in 15 years, so never once

684
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,680
had hair. 
And you can arrive jet lagged. 

685
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,560
And the problem was, is that 
from the beginning, it was 

686
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,960
always impossible to get passes 
for hair and makeup. 

687
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,600
Yeah. 
And now it's sort of not 

688
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,480
impossible. 
But what are you? 

689
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,080
What are you going to do? 
You're going to fly the same 

690
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:28,800
hair and makeup artist all the 
way around the world. 

691
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:29,760
Or are you going to source 
local? 

692
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,440
But if you source local, you 
can't guarantee that you'd like 

693
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,520
the look that they give you. 
And equally, you've then got to 

694
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,120
get them in to fit in around 
your schedule. 

695
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,360
So actually what Naomi and I 
tend to do is we'll be in the 

696
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,760
office and we'll sort of help 
each other with our hair makeup.

697
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,920
And so that's what it's great 
that the team's grown in terms 

698
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:48,760
of the women, we all help each 
other. 

699
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:52,040
Nice. 
And so in terms of getting your 

700
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:56,600
own glam and makeup down pat, is
that just something you've 

701
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,680
learnt through the years? 
I haven't quite. 

702
00:36:58,680 --> 00:36:59,840
There's still a work in 
progress. 

703
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:01,440
No, not at all. 
No. 

704
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:05,520
But it's not easy because it is 
so hot in most pit lanes and 

705
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,840
it's quite dirty. 
And it's like you, you don't 

706
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:11,720
want your makeup caked on, but 
inevitably you get sweaty and 

707
00:37:11,720 --> 00:37:16,960
it's just not very. 
Yeah, it's it's look, it's one 

708
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,280
of those things it's hardly a 
big price to pay, but you just 

709
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,560
sort of learn on the job. 
And actually, we've got this 

710
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:25,240
great guy, Adam, who who is 
holds the monitor for you to 

711
00:37:25,240 --> 00:37:28,240
watch. 
And at every race, he has my bag

712
00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:30,680
around his back and I just go 
and unzip and put, oh, that's 

713
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,040
brilliant. 
And he just stands there holding

714
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:32,760
the monkey. 
Yes. 

715
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,280
Come on then, Pinky. 
He's great. 

716
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,640
I love that him. 
I love that. 

717
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:39,640
And do your own hair. 
Yeah. 

718
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,240
And that is actually the bane of
my life because my hair is so 

719
00:37:42,240 --> 00:37:44,040
unruly. 
Like if I left it, it's just 

720
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:48,480
thick and it's just curly. 
And so I'm trying to get a blow 

721
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,080
dry. 
Like if you go to the Middle 

722
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,360
East, get brilliant blow dries, 
amazing blow dries. 

723
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:58,240
But I have to say that wind in 
Bahrain, by the end of I know, 

724
00:37:58,320 --> 00:37:59,400
right, quality day. 
Yeah. 

725
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:03,600
My hair was just disas. 
I've never seen your hair look 

726
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,520
disastrous, honestly. 
And I got into the shower that 

727
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:10,600
night and it was just so thick 
of dust. 

728
00:38:10,720 --> 00:38:12,000
Yeah, yeah. 
Sand. 

729
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:13,920
Yeah. 
And then you think, do I wash it

730
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,280
every day or you're going to 
like break your hair by doing 

731
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,240
like overdoing it. 
So what I try to do, if I can, 

732
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:24,280
is get a local blow dry that 
will last me a couple of days. 

733
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:28,200
And then, but you can tell the 
weekends when I've had of help 

734
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,080
and when I haven't, you're like,
oh, don't watch that back. 

735
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:37,880
No, stop it, stop it. 
I would love to know as sort of,

736
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:45,240
you know, the face of, you know,
Formula One female presenting, 

737
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:49,600
do you get flooded with offers 
by different brands saying, oh, 

738
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,520
please wear, please wear. 
Well, they tend to go to Annie 

739
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,640
because they know that she will 
start because she also styles 

740
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,200
Bernie Collins, who's on our on 
our show. 

741
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,880
I mean, Bernie's just like 
initially was. 

742
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,960
I mean, she's so brainy and she 
offers so much insight. 

743
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,560
And then she was like, I 
probably just have to sort my 

744
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:10,640
image out a bit and, you know, 
actually make a bit of effort. 

745
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,440
And I think you'll notice this 
year she's suddenly wearing 

746
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,320
like, tailored suits and stuff 
and it gets a blow dry. 

747
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,800
And she's like, whoa, Bernie, 
you've just gone from A9 to A10.

748
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:24,360
Like, she looks great. 
But yeah, I think now that 

749
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:28,840
Formula One's got a broader 
appeal, we do loads more collabs

750
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:32,400
and loads more brands want their
stuff featured at races because 

751
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,560
they know more, more and more 
women are watching. 

752
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:39,840
And actually, like Annie has a 
handful of followers who were 

753
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:41,640
like, like, where did you get 
all those things from? 

754
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,600
And she just sends them out the 
links and then they. 

755
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,600
So yeah, stuff sells. 
If you if you can show that it's

756
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:51,320
stylish and practical. 
Yeah, I think a lot of you know,

757
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:53,920
particularly working mothers who
don't have time to iron 

758
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:55,880
anything, definitely don't look 
too closely at this dress 

759
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,720
because I didn't steam it. 
But that's any joy of silk and 

760
00:39:59,720 --> 00:40:02,360
bias cutting and little bit of 
embroidery. 

761
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:10,320
But do you does your stylist 
send out affiliate links to so 

762
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,520
the the pieces are shoppable? 
Yes, yes. 

763
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,720
So she's really on it. 
After a race weekend, I don't 

764
00:40:16,720 --> 00:40:18,200
tend to have as much time but 
to. 

765
00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:23,160
And also, she knows, so I will 
always tag in what I've worn and

766
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,680
then help them push through to 
the item. 

767
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:28,760
And if anyone's got a question, 
so they'll put it in the 

768
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,280
picture, like in the messages 
underneath. 

769
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,400
Annie will always reply to each 
of them saying you can get it 

770
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,520
from this store or here online 
or whatever. 

771
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:36,320
Brilliant. 
Yeah. 

772
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,960
And it, and it, and it's great 
because I also just think, you 

773
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,720
know, we said it earlier, we do 
dress for other women. 

774
00:40:41,720 --> 00:40:43,840
I mean, it's it's a cliche, but 
it's so true. 

775
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:47,200
Like if my husband doesn't, he's
very clear about what he likes 

776
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,400
and doesn't like, but he'll say 
to me, I'm not sure about that. 

777
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,760
I'll still wear it because I 
know I like it and I know my 

778
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,840
girlfriends will like it. 
And actually I know it will sell

779
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:57,760
and other women watching will 
like it. 

780
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,920
And he'll probably get a bit of 
a grump that I haven't taken his

781
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:04,480
point of. 
So if he would dress you, what 

782
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:10,840
would he dress you in? 
He like, yeah, OK, I need to be 

783
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,680
careful. 
He wouldn't, no, he wouldn't go 

784
00:41:13,720 --> 00:41:16,160
that far because he he likes 
fashion. 

785
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:17,400
He's actually really into 
fashion. 

786
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:22,560
He likes very simple styles, 
though for him he wouldn't, you 

787
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,800
know, he'll keep it quite 
simple, like T-shirt and jeans 

788
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,720
or whatever, polo shirt or 
whatever, or, you know, like a 

789
00:41:27,720 --> 00:41:31,680
nice shirt and jeans. 
But for me, he he loves boobs. 

790
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:35,080
He loves women's shape. 
But if it's if it's baggy, we're

791
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,400
like, I can't really see boobs. 
I'm like, I don't want to show 

792
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,160
my bit like, but he's like, no, 
but just show the curves of your

793
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:44,400
figure. 
So he'd like me to be more 

794
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:48,760
confident like that. 
But it's funny, isn't it? 

795
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:50,920
It's funny what they see because
you'd think he'd want me to 

796
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:54,000
cover up, but he's like, no, I'm
comfortable with you being more 

797
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,160
date night. 
Natalie wearing. 

798
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,240
Oh, yeah, good point. 
Doesn't really happen very 

799
00:41:58,240 --> 00:41:59,480
often. 
Oh, stop it. 

800
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,160
It doesn't. 
I mean, I I actually said to 

801
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:03,440
him, should we go out for a date
night? 

802
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:04,600
He goes, what would we talk 
about? 

803
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,960
I was like, here's a good point.
We could just drink. 

804
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,280
We could just drink, just drink.
But if he were if what would be 

805
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,760
his dream? 
Look for you, I think a dress. 

806
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,840
I think like a sexy dress, like 
a backless something. 

807
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,800
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
OK. 

808
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:23,960
No, I'm going to. 
I'm going to ask a crass 

809
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,560
question here. 
Rumour has at the once dated a 

810
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:30,680
certain Prince Harry and Rumour 
What's wrong? 

811
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,680
Natalie wearing Oh, rumour is 
wrong. 

812
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,040
OK and never strike that. 
No, no, it's fine. 

813
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:39,720
I've I've known him for years. 
We've been friends since I was 

814
00:42:39,720 --> 00:42:43,120
like 17 and he was 12. 
That's how long I've known him. 

815
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,360
But never romantic. 
No cougar. 

816
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,800
Sorry. 
Sorry to sorry, no cougar 

817
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:49,760
action. 
No exactly. 

818
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,920
Sorry to disappoint. 
Be a much more fun story if I 

819
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,560
said the opposite. 
But we only want the truth. 

820
00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:00,160
Do you have a particular woman 
that you look at their style and

821
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:01,880
girl crush? 
Inevitably. 

822
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:05,120
I've had girl crushes through 
the years and my main one has 

823
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,640
always been penélope Cruz, 
embarrassingly so because her 

824
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,600
husband is in the F1 movie, 
which is coming out in the 

825
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,760
summer. 
And I met him at Silverstone. 

826
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,360
And then I proceeded to tell him
what a massive crush I had on 

827
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,600
his wife. 
But he was lovely. 

828
00:43:19,720 --> 00:43:24,360
Have you about him And great 
guy, but I've always just loved 

829
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,800
her style. 
I just love the sort of Spanish 

830
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:28,800
flair. 
And again, I think she's 

831
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,400
feminine, but she also embraces 
a bit of androgyny. 

832
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,440
She's, you know, there's a cool 
clue. 

833
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,000
Yeah. 
Yeah, she looks great. 

834
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,880
And there's loads of people that
I look at that I wish I could 

835
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:41,960
call that off, but I don't feel 
like I can. 

836
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,320
So I think the style is huge, 
hugely about confidence, isn't 

837
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:46,960
it? 
But maybe the older I get, the 

838
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,640
more I'll just start drilling 
down into that confidence. 

839
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:51,560
I definitely feel more confident
now than I ever have. 

840
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:56,800
Do you feel like you have 
drilled down to your style DNA? 

841
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,480
Yeah. 
And I think you're so right that

842
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,480
we, we tend to regress to this 
comfort zone. 

843
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,880
But actually there's no shame in
that because all it is, is, is 

844
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,360
where you feel comfortable. 
And therefore, if you're 

845
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,040
comfortable, you're confident 
and your shoulders are back and 

846
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:15,440
then you exude that confidence. 
And I think that's, that's 

847
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:19,520
likeable. 
And that's, you know, it helps 

848
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,000
other people relax, doesn't it? 
If you if you're relaxed 

849
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,400
totally. 
I mean, if, if you were to ask 

850
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,800
one of your very good 
girlfriends how, what 3 words 

851
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:32,600
they would use to describe your 
style DNA, what 3 words would 

852
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:36,240
you want those to be? 
I don't know what what I I'd 

853
00:44:36,240 --> 00:44:38,440
like them to be probably 
something different than they 

854
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,240
are. 
So I think they would say I'm 

855
00:44:40,240 --> 00:44:42,120
quite boyish. 
I mean, they won't believe I'm 

856
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,840
wearing this dress today. 
I mean, I nearly didn't 

857
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,040
recognise you. 
They really won't. 

858
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:55,640
But I yeah, I don't know. 
I just think if something is 

859
00:44:55,640 --> 00:45:01,000
quite chic, you just, I don't 
know, You just like grow an inch

860
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,120
in terms of confidence, then you
bring that into your day. 

861
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,320
What? 
And I love putting something on 

862
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:07,880
and going, yes, that feels 
right. 

863
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,360
And then I attacked the day and 
it shouldn't be that 

864
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,320
superficial, but it really is. 
It isn't superficial. 

865
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,120
It is. 
I always say it's what is 

866
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,880
between our naked selves and the
rest of the world. 

867
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:22,520
It's it's our armour. 
We message through it, it 

868
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,360
cocoons us. 
Do you know, it's so interesting

869
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:31,040
you say that because I had this 
quite intimidating meeting with 

870
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:37,760
a editor of a newspaper after 
Caroline died and what did you 

871
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,000
reach for? 
Well this is really interesting.

872
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:47,840
So I'd worn this like 2 piece 
suit to another shoot like the 

873
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:51,120
week before and I was going with
Chris, Caroline's mum. 

874
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,200
I was really nervous and I 
didn't really know what we 

875
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:57,280
wanted to get from the meeting, 
but we wanted to say how we felt

876
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,320
about the way Caroline had been 
treated by the press. 

877
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,560
And I I rang Annie and I said, 
do you remember that two piece I

878
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:04,320
wore? 
I felt really good in that. 

879
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:06,480
Can I, can I just borrow that 
again? 

880
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:08,360
She went, yeah, I'll get it sent
right away. 

881
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,040
I put it on and I just put my 
shoulders back. 

882
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,320
We also did do a shot of tequila
before we went in. 

883
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,320
Good couple of courage. 
Yeah, exactly. 

884
00:46:16,720 --> 00:46:18,840
And then the meeting was really 
positive. 

885
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:22,000
And of course nothing's going to
bring her back, but just 

886
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:26,360
processing it and talking about 
it and listening to her mum talk

887
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:30,000
directly to an editor of a 
massive newspaper was so 

888
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,600
empowering and actually I think 
really helped her mum as well. 

889
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,680
And you, you did you feel like 
those clothes made you present 

890
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:38,880
as your best self? 
Yes, it was strange. 

891
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:42,120
It was like I just felt 
confident because I felt like 

892
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,920
the right parts of me were 
accentuated. 

893
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,280
The bits I don't feel so 
confident about were hidden. 

894
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:51,480
And then I just projected the 
best version of myself in that 

895
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,960
hours meeting. 
And that's what Caroline needed.

896
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:55,960
She needed a strong 
representative in that moment. 

897
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:57,800
And the clothes definitely 
helped me. 

898
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,840
Good, good. 
That's really lovely. 

899
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,720
Lovely to hear. 
Because I was going to ask you 

900
00:47:04,720 --> 00:47:07,680
what you reach for when you need
to feel empowered. 

901
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:13,520
I think your body changes so 
much when you have kids and you 

902
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:17,000
have to sort of not really be 
phased by that. 

903
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:21,200
But I mean, I remember my 
daughter coming up to me when I 

904
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:25,000
was, when she was about 3 and 
like pulling my skirt up and 

905
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,480
laughing at my, and I went, 
well, you did that to me. 

906
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:33,720
But it's look, if, if my body's 
changed in a way that I'm not 

907
00:47:33,720 --> 00:47:36,200
comfortable with. 
It's a very small price to pay 

908
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,360
for having two amazing little 
creatures in your life. 

909
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:42,840
And I'm very grateful to being a
mum because it is hands down my 

910
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:46,440
greatest achievement for the 
thing I I feel grateful for 

911
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,520
every single day, every minute 
of every day. 

912
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:50,360
When I'm not with them, I'm 
thinking about them. 

913
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,360
I just, you know, and that's 
been the hardest thing really in

914
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,400
terms of my career is juggling 
travelling with my children. 

915
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:57,920
But I do try to take them with 
me wherever I can go. 

916
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,880
But it's so interesting because 
you just have to take ownership 

917
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:03,960
of your body once you've had 
kids because there's certain 

918
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:05,400
bits that will never look the 
same again. 

919
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:11,760
So actually I think if you can 
dress accordingly and be sort of

920
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:15,320
sassy enough not to feel that 
you're then defined only as a 

921
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,400
mum, that you've still got these
other interests in your life and

922
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,280
something else to bring to the 
table, that you can really tell 

923
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:22,800
that story through what you 
wear. 

924
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:26,760
Now I am looking at this near 
perfect human being in front of 

925
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:28,480
me. 
Can you, can we just for a 

926
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:34,880
second talk about the bits that 
you like to celebrate and your 

927
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:40,440
body? 
I'm not very good at this with 

928
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:44,400
my tummy at the no, I really do 
about celebrating, not hiding. 

929
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,320
OK, OK, but we can we can 
approach it the other way. 

930
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:50,440
Where do what do you like to 
dress around? 

931
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:54,720
Well, my, my tummy has never 
been the same again since babies

932
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:58,240
and I've definitely because I, 
you know, I've always had a six 

933
00:48:58,240 --> 00:49:01,280
pack like it was always so 
sporty and that's gone. 

934
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,800
I mean that is gone. 
I'm trying to do like Pilates, 

935
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:06,200
all sorts of cool stuff at the 
moment. 

936
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,880
So I definitely have to dress 
around that and I'll literally 

937
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,440
Annie will be on tummy watch 
when I'm on shoes to dress 

938
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:14,840
around it rather than have to. 
No, I have to. 

939
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:18,240
I definitely have to. 
But we're working on that. 

940
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:23,640
And then yeah, I don't know 
what. 

941
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:24,640
Do I? 
Actually, I don't. 

942
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,880
Know I don't know, I think you 
get to a point you're not really

943
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:29,880
happy with anything but look, 
I'm not listening. 

944
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,280
This isn't like fishing, 
whatever this is just. 

945
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:37,320
But listen, this body produced 2
babies and I'm so grateful for 

946
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:39,880
that. 
I'll never, ever, ever forget. 

947
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:41,960
And you're fresh and healthy in 
here. 

948
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:43,160
Exactly. 
Yeah. 

949
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:46,760
Very, very good. 
Do you think? 

950
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:50,720
Being stylish is important to 
you, I think. 

951
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:57,640
If you can add. 
To what you give to the world 

952
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:02,440
and and and like your offering 
of yourself can be enhanced by 

953
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,880
fashion and style is so 
important. 

954
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:08,520
And so. 
To go back to that example. 

955
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:11,640
About seeing the newspaper 
editor, if I represented 

956
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:15,800
Caroline 10% better than I would
if I'd felt self-conscious and 

957
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:19,800
not shoulders back, that was all
to do with what what I wore. 

958
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:22,600
And again, I feel like am I 
being superficial by saying 

959
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:24,000
that? 
But but no, it is. 

960
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,480
I love your analogy. 
If it's the lair between you and

961
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,760
the world and if that is your 
armour, then why wouldn't you 

962
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:32,920
embrace it and, and dress 
accordingly? 

963
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:36,040
And I, I, I do have to thank 
Annie for so much of that 

964
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:38,840
because she pushes me slightly 
out of that comfort zone. 

965
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:43,080
I think that's really useful and
important, finding someone that 

966
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:47,840
you trust to take you on that 
journey if you're very much in 

967
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,360
the public eye. 
It also very helpful that she's 

968
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,080
got a great wardrobe and we're 
exactly the same dimensions. 

969
00:50:53,240 --> 00:50:56,280
Such helpful for all her stuff. 
That's so having a big sister 

970
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:59,520
and I just nick all her shoes. 
I've got to ask you flak stock. 

971
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:01,280
Yeah. 
How do you decide what to wear 

972
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,000
for that? 
That is hard actually, because. 

973
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,480
Because it's sort of your. 
You want to honour Caroline? 

974
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:08,440
Yeah, Yeah. 
I mean, last year I wore cowboy 

975
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:12,560
boots and then this like floral 
little skirt thing and top. 

976
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,760
I think you want to embrace the 
whole festival vibe. 

977
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:17,760
And then I wore like a big 
headdress. 

978
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:19,200
So I think you can have a lot of
fun with it. 

979
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,200
And like if we do go to 
Glastonbury, although it does 

980
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,960
always clash with the Austrian 
Grand Prix, but in the years 

981
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,440
that my husband and I've gone, 
we do go out there a bit. 

982
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:31,560
And just like, I love dressing 
up, I love dressing up. 

983
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:35,760
One of my best mates probably 
likes dressing up fractionally 

984
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,120
more than I do. 
And therefore, when we in 

985
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:40,280
costume, Yeah. 
Loves it. 

986
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:42,200
Right. 
So when we go on holiday 

987
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:45,600
together, we will do fancy dress
like every other night. 

988
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:47,320
You'll joke. 
No, I love it. 

989
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:48,960
That must triple your luggage. 
It does. 

990
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:50,800
But you bring so little for the 
rest of the week. 

991
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:52,880
So you'll be like literally a 
handful of bikinis. 

992
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:54,920
And then it's like massive 
headdress. 

993
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:56,680
OK. 
So give me an example of a 

994
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,520
couple of your favourites. 
So she'll themes. 

995
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:02,960
Well, so, so, so we've like 
we've done loads of themes 

996
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,600
through the years, but we'll do 
white Knights. 

997
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:07,920
An obvious one, but that always 
looks great in pictures. 

998
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:13,880
Yeah, but we'll do like games. 
So you could so I mean, you 

999
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,720
could go as the Queen of Hearts 
or you could be a board game or 

1000
00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:19,480
you could be like, you know, but
you could do something very 

1001
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:21,160
simple. 
We did, I think one year was 

1002
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:22,480
sexy jungle. 
So you went. 

1003
00:52:22,720 --> 00:52:25,360
But I really stitched my husband
up with this one because he 

1004
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:27,320
doesn't buy into it. 
And I always have to get his 

1005
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:29,960
outfits and then when he gets 
there, stitch him out. 

1006
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:33,560
So, so that, so I was wearing 
this sort of like leopard print 

1007
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:36,640
thing and like, it was like 
leaves wrapped around me and it 

1008
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,920
was all really saucy. 
And then I got him this giant 

1009
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:44,320
polystyrene snake just wrapped 
around him and the mouth was 

1010
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,720
like round his neck and he was 
just standing there going. 

1011
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:49,880
I said, well, you should have 
put more effort in. 

1012
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,600
But his whole suitcase was a 
snake. 

1013
00:52:54,240 --> 00:52:55,600
That's all he had. 
But he didn't know. 

1014
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:57,880
I just said that's your that's 
your luggage. 

1015
00:52:57,880 --> 00:52:59,040
Yeah. 
It was like a pair of Speedos 

1016
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:02,240
and and snake. 
So what is it? 

1017
00:53:02,240 --> 00:53:04,360
I love the escapism. 
I was going to say, what is it 

1018
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:05,680
about it? 
I love it. 

1019
00:53:05,720 --> 00:53:07,400
Yeah. 
I just, I love having fun with 

1020
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,560
it. 
Also, it's such a it's such an 

1021
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:13,200
icebreaker when you go to a 
party and I tell you something I

1022
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:17,040
love this about it is that my 
son, who's quite alpha male, 

1023
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:19,680
already aged 10, loves his 
sport, Everything else. 

1024
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:21,440
He loves getting dressed up with
me. 

1025
00:53:21,720 --> 00:53:25,720
So he will wear dresses and he 
will go for it, and his sister 

1026
00:53:25,720 --> 00:53:28,080
will put makeup all on him and 
he'll wear a wig. 

1027
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:30,440
He makes a very pretty young 
boy, actually, like, looks 

1028
00:53:31,240 --> 00:53:33,640
really good in drag. 
But I love the fact that. 

1029
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:36,520
So we do like gay pride and we 
do lots of things together as 

1030
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:39,960
family. 
And I love the fact that, you 

1031
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:42,520
know, he experiments through 
fashion as well. 

1032
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:46,040
I mean, one of the parties I 
made us all wear because it was 

1033
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:47,880
white light. 
So this goes all the way down to

1034
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:49,080
the kids, too. 
Oh, yeah. 

1035
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:50,160
Oh, yeah. 
Yeah. 

1036
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:55,120
So this white luggage must be. 
Can you imagine someone else 

1037
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:57,800
picking up your bag going from 
the carousel? 

1038
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,720
So true. 
That's such a good point that 

1039
00:54:00,720 --> 00:54:02,400
needs to happen. 
Yeah. 

1040
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:07,680
This one night we all wore white
vests and then white tutus. 

1041
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:12,280
So we all turned up in matching 
massive white tutus and white 

1042
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:13,800
vests. 
And of course, everyone loved 

1043
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:15,800
it. 
And I think Wilf actually loved 

1044
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:18,520
the fact that he made everyone 
laugh because he was comfortable

1045
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,400
enough to come in a white Tutu 
to a party aged 10. 

1046
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:23,280
I thought it was quite brave. 
That is brave. 

1047
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:28,240
And actually on World Book Day, 
he dressed up as Matilda with 

1048
00:54:28,240 --> 00:54:30,360
his sister. 
So they both went as Matilda 

1049
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:32,320
again. 
Great. 

1050
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:35,000
I mean, I'm all for it. 
There's a future in theatre 

1051
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:35,880
beckoning. 
Yeah. 

1052
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,400
He definitely loves to express 
himself, but he's quite earnest 

1053
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,360
and, you know, intense and shy 
about other things. 

1054
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:43,280
But then as fancy dress comes 
out, he's just like me. 

1055
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:45,680
He just loves complete escapism.
Yeah. 

1056
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:49,440
Lovely, lovely. 
Let's talk about beauty for a 

1057
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:51,680
minute. 
Is it important to you? 

1058
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:55,040
Look, the older I get, I 
certainly more self-conscious. 

1059
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:58,720
I feel about being over 40 on 
camera because. 

1060
00:54:59,240 --> 00:55:01,720
And then I, it's, it's, it's 
weird because I, I swing between

1061
00:55:01,720 --> 00:55:04,200
thinking, well, you know, no 
one's going to want me in a few 

1062
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:05,520
years time. 
And then I look at the boys and 

1063
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:09,440
go, but they're like 50-60, you 
know, they're not of old. 

1064
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:12,040
And actually with that comes 
knowledge and, you know, and 

1065
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:16,080
credibility and credibility. 
So I think I just need to 

1066
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:18,840
embrace that. 
And I think particularly the, 

1067
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:25,240
the example my mum set is that 
she's just really embraced by 

1068
00:55:25,240 --> 00:55:27,280
her world. 
You know, she's a family law 

1069
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,800
expert. 
She comes in with such amazing 

1070
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,240
experience to look after kids 
that don't otherwise have a 

1071
00:55:32,240 --> 00:55:35,840
voice. 
So she looks after some terrible

1072
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,560
situations of kids that have 
been bereaved, abused, 

1073
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:42,320
traumatized, abandoned. 
But she's able to do that 

1074
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:43,640
because she's an. 
Older lady, now she's. 

1075
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:46,480
In her 70s and she's, she's got 
that credibility and she's got 

1076
00:55:46,720 --> 00:55:49,800
that warmth and that graciously 
and that relatability and all 

1077
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:54,160
these things that so I realise 
actually, even though your 

1078
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:57,480
appearance might not be perfect,
you might have crow's feet and 

1079
00:55:57,720 --> 00:55:59,400
all these lines from having 
kids. 

1080
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:03,160
No, but you know what I mean. 
You, you actually, I think that 

1081
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:05,080
makes you more relatable to an 
audience. 

1082
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:08,520
And hopefully you can connect 
with them through that shared 

1083
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:10,640
experience. 
Completely, completely. 

1084
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:14,280
What about treatments? 
Christ, I'll be up for anything.

1085
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:21,000
I had that, you know, the old 
salmon sperm thing, but it 

1086
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:22,440
didn't hurt because they put 
like gelling. 

1087
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:23,840
Oh, A. 
Cooling gel? 

1088
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:24,720
No. 
What's it called? 

1089
00:56:24,720 --> 00:56:29,120
It is the most painful. 
No it's not thing I have ever 

1090
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:30,800
experienced. 
I had it done once. 

1091
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:32,760
Not a chance. 
Stop it. 

1092
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:35,600
Oh, I I honestly it. 
I. 

1093
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:37,560
Loved. 
My tummy even talking about it, 

1094
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:40,240
my mates find it hilarious 
because I will just. 

1095
00:56:40,240 --> 00:56:42,040
I'll always go yeah, I'll have a
go at that, you know, I'll just 

1096
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:43,720
have a go at anything to see 
what happens. 

1097
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:49,960
But I did once get fillers and, 
oh, my God, I looked horrendous.

1098
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:53,160
The problem is my husband spots 
anything. 

1099
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:54,840
He'll go. 
What have you done there? 

1100
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:56,200
What have you done? 
Right there I go. 

1101
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:59,200
How did you even see? 
Where did you have fillers? 

1102
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,600
So they put some there. 
Yeah. 

1103
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:03,920
They put Botox there. 
Yeah. 

1104
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:06,200
To try and, like, lift that lip.
Yeah. 

1105
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:08,720
And they put a tiny bit of 
filler in my cheek and I had to 

1106
00:57:08,720 --> 00:57:11,560
have it removed because you can 
get filler removed. 

1107
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:13,880
And I just. 
I said I hate it. 

1108
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:15,240
I absolutely hate it. 
And what do they do? 

1109
00:57:15,240 --> 00:57:16,440
Dissolve it. 
Yeah. 

1110
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:20,040
They dissolved the filler that 
that Botox just had to gradually

1111
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:22,760
go dissipate. 
And I didn't do that. 

1112
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:24,760
What was it that weird? 
What was it? 

1113
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:28,120
The the comedy thing when 
someone was it. 

1114
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:32,880
Dudley Moore was drinking a cup 
of tea after going to the 

1115
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:34,080
dentist. 
Yeah. 

1116
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:38,000
Dudley Moore. 
That's a blast from the past. 

1117
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:42,040
No, but it's, it's so 
interesting because look, each 

1118
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:44,200
their own. 
I'm all for women doing whatever

1119
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:51,400
feels right for them, but I do 
think there's something slightly

1120
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:56,920
sad and depressing about being a
conveyor belt look, you know, 

1121
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:59,480
and it, that kind of goes back 
to what I was saying about Sky 

1122
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:03,240
in the in the early days, is 
that they wanted us to look the 

1123
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:04,040
same. 
I thought, why? 

1124
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:06,960
I think I don't get that. 
And and that the only thing I, 

1125
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:09,960
you know, worry about slightly, 
and I talked to Willow about 

1126
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:14,040
this is, is you've got to 
celebrate. 

1127
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:16,760
Individuality you've got to you.
You absolutely have to embrace 

1128
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:18,760
that. 
Does that mean I want to embrace

1129
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:22,680
wrinkles and lines? 
Absolutely not blast them out. 

1130
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:25,760
But actually in terms of 
changing the contours and the 

1131
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:29,400
structure of your face, I'm I 
just, that's my personal, 

1132
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:32,320
there's no judgement for me. 
Do whatever you need to and want

1133
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:34,840
to to your face. 
But I find that a bit sad 

1134
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:39,120
because I just think those 
quirky little things, scars, you

1135
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:41,560
know, they make you you. 
I love scars. 

1136
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:42,920
I do. 
I know that sounds bonkers. 

1137
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:44,840
No, it doesn't. 
Look, I totally agree. 

1138
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:48,160
They're they're so individual 
and they're part of your 

1139
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:50,400
journey, part of your life. 
Yeah. 

1140
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:53,880
And they tell a story, you know,
and if the story's a bit boring,

1141
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:55,440
make it a more interesting 
story. 

1142
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:58,320
Say you wrestled a shark. 
Whatever you need to. 

1143
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:00,240
But it. 
No, I totally agree. 

1144
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:01,840
I've got one there. 
I've got one under there. 

1145
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:04,640
I've got one down here, I've got
one on my knee, you know, I've 

1146
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:06,560
got, I'm really axing. 
I've got them on my hand, you 

1147
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:09,560
know, I mean, I'm sorry, I can't
see any single one of those. 

1148
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:12,960
No, I don't, I definitely do. 
But look, I also find it 

1149
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:18,320
slightly depressing when you 
can't tell if a girl is 25 or 45

1150
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:21,040
because girls are getting stuff 
done so young now. 

1151
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:22,760
And actually it can be quite 
ageing. 

1152
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:27,120
Willow is doesn't miss a trick. 
And. 

1153
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,600
Not just in terms of what I 
wear, but also if she would, if 

1154
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:32,880
she ever sees me put like a 
filter on a picture. 

1155
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:37,880
What are you doing? 
Be honest post that I really. 

1156
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:41,440
And of course she said, mummy, 
why on earth would you change 

1157
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:43,880
your face? 
And she even says to me, why are

1158
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:46,920
you putting so much makeup on? 
Like don't just don't wear 

1159
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:49,160
makeup. 
And actually, I really want her 

1160
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:53,560
to hang on to that because I see
some of the Tik Toks that she 

1161
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:55,920
watches, you know, of, of kids 
like playing around with skin 

1162
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:57,640
care and stuff. 
And I go, you don't need product

1163
00:59:57,640 --> 00:59:58,560
like that. 
So she won't. 

1164
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:00,240
We'll take the same advice for 
yourself. 

1165
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:02,440
And I'm like, yeah, but hang on 
a minute. 

1166
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:04,360
I definitely need it. 
You don't. 

1167
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:07,680
But I love the fact, and I hope 
she hangs on to that, that 

1168
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:12,000
actually don't be a fraud. 
Don't project a false sense of 

1169
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:14,000
self to the world. 
Just post the picture. 

1170
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:15,480
If you don't like the picture, 
don't post it. 

1171
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:17,400
Now. 
Interesting. 

1172
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:22,000
In terms of being yourself. 
You've obviously had your photo 

1173
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:28,920
taken a lot over the years and I
just want do you do you try and 

1174
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:32,040
control that image in terms of I
probably sure have done where 

1175
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:34,080
actually I haven't. 
I've been I have been a bit 

1176
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:36,840
slack on that and you know, 
there's certain pictures out 

1177
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:39,240
there that I go, Oh my God, I 
can't believe that picture is on

1178
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:43,280
the worst fashion moment. 
Oh God, so many right. 

1179
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:51,760
So I bought this one thing where
it was this like silky, what 

1180
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:53,720
would you call a? 
What would you call a? 

1181
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:55,160
Jumpsuit. 
That's just cropped. 

1182
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:56,200
That's short. 
Playsuit. 

1183
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:57,840
Yeah, more like a playsuit. 
Yeah, exactly. 

1184
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:00,920
And it was this lovely colour, 
like chocolate silk. 

1185
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:04,080
It was gorgeous, but it was 
ridiculously short. 

1186
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:07,760
This is back in the day when I 
got my legs out and your bum 

1187
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:10,520
out, by the sounds of things. 
It was honestly. 

1188
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:14,000
And one of the papers printed it
and I went, Oh my God, what was 

1189
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:17,920
I thinking? 
It looked awful and I was like, 

1190
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:19,000
OK, Will. 
You learn from your. 

1191
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,440
Fashion faux pas. 
And actually, again, a bit like 

1192
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:22,680
a scar. 
It's part of your journey. 

1193
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:24,800
Yeah. 
And probably back in the day it 

1194
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:29,480
was tomorrow's chip paper rather
than in pituitary. 

1195
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:30,480
Yes. 
On the. 

1196
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:33,760
I haven't seen it on online 
since, so I think it's 

1197
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:34,760
disappeared. 
Thank God. 

1198
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:41,680
If I would say to you, you could
only dress in two brands. 1 High

1199
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:43,120
Street. 
Oh, wow. 

1200
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:46,040
One designer. 
Which two brands would those be?

1201
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:49,080
Which ones do you instinctively 
love the most? 

1202
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:51,000
Well, the truth is my daughter 
loves Zara. 

1203
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:55,200
So I if I'm taking her around 
Zara, I will then take a couple 

1204
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:57,840
of things like little vest tops 
or whatever from there. 

1205
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:02,240
And if money were no object, 
what would you? 

1206
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:09,240
Well, obviously you, you can't 
do that anymore, damn it. 

1207
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:14,600
Oh God, what would I wear? 
So I wear a lot of me and em 

1208
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:21,960
because again their designs do 
sit and suit as they sit well on

1209
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:28,680
my on my figure and American. 
Vintage. 

1210
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:30,880
I always go in there. 
When I'm on Marylebone High 

1211
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:35,360
Street, I always go in there and
and buy something just slightly 

1212
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:39,440
more Skate a girl. 
I quite like that oversized 

1213
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:43,920
denim jacket look. 
I do actually so. 

1214
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:47,120
I'm too old for Topshop. 
Now, I went in there the other 

1215
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:49,680
day with Willow and I was like, 
God, I used to shop in here all 

1216
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:52,400
the time and I just was like, I 
can't wear anything in here 

1217
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:54,240
anymore. 
So that's changed. 

1218
01:02:54,240 --> 01:03:00,080
But I definitely tried to mix it
up in terms of of High Street. 

1219
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:04,080
And higher end stuff what? 
About designer bags, Well, I my 

1220
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:06,120
husband every Christmas buys me 
a designer handbag. 

1221
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:09,040
Basically, he hasn't got any 
imagination. 

1222
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:12,160
He asks Zoe Hardman which bag 
should I get pinky this year? 

1223
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:15,200
And then I see this little bag. 
Oh, yes, well done, Zoe. 

1224
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:16,520
Zoe will have chosen it. 
Yeah. 

1225
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:18,360
OK. 
And favour. 

1226
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:20,680
So you'll go. 
Well, I always wear the 

1227
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:23,600
crossover bag at the track. 
I've got 2, two or three little 

1228
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:26,960
Gucci ones that are just the 
perfect size to stick my hair 

1229
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:29,280
and make up stuff in. 
But the trouble is the lining's 

1230
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:31,040
now wrecked because it's just 
had loads of. 

1231
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:33,160
That's bad. 
It's had a lot of use. 

1232
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:35,360
Yeah, but that's great. 
So you'll get me a black one and

1233
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:38,560
a nude one and, you know, I can 
mix and match it, which, you 

1234
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:40,680
know, I'm very grateful. 
I don't want to sound ungrateful

1235
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:43,840
for, but it's just that he has 
actually outsourced it to one of

1236
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:46,880
my best mates. 
That sounds pretty good. 

1237
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:48,840
Yeah, I do too. 
I mean, you know, you should 

1238
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:51,560
like what you get. 
What's your approach to 

1239
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:53,720
sustainable fashion? 
Very much so. 

1240
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:59,200
Committed to it as and when I 
can sky a hugely pro sustainable

1241
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:02,120
fashion for obvious reasons, and
when we all should be committed 

1242
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:06,480
to it. 
I think that Princess Catherine 

1243
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:10,320
has been amazing for encouraging
us to wear things over and over 

1244
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:15,000
again and just style it slightly
differently each time. 

1245
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:18,640
I mean, why not? 
And if and if it's good enough 

1246
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:20,600
for the future queen, it's good 
enough for all of us. 

1247
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:22,600
Like we absolutely should 
embrace it. 

1248
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:25,960
And by the way, if I wear 
something again and again and 

1249
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:29,960
again, which I have done many 
times in Formula One, if anyone 

1250
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:31,000
says, weren't you wearing that 
last week? 

1251
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:33,080
And I'll say yes. 
And I loved it and I still love 

1252
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:34,000
it. 
And that's why I do it. 

1253
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:36,800
And why would you just want to 
churn through stuff? 

1254
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:40,440
So we actually have a complete 
ban on fast fashion in our in 

1255
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:43,160
our family. 
So Willow loves Stefan Sheen, 

1256
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:44,800
I'm just like, I'm not, I'm not 
going there. 

1257
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:48,520
And I explained to her why by 
rotation, her my wardrobe. 

1258
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:53,360
They're all great initiatives 
that actually have sent me loads

1259
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:57,160
of clothes over the years. 
And I love the fact that if you 

1260
01:04:57,160 --> 01:05:01,280
want to go to a cocktail party 
or a ball or whatever it is and 

1261
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:04,120
you have to wear black tie, you 
can rent something from there 

1262
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:07,840
that is phenomenal and you can 
feel $1,000,000, but it won't 

1263
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:10,680
cost you that. 
And then someone else benefits 

1264
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:14,040
from it the following week. 
I mean, that's just genius. 

1265
01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:16,800
And it's very simple. 
Brilliant idea, and I'm all for 

1266
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:17,920
it. 
Yeah, brilliant. 

1267
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:21,080
I am going to spin on some quick
fire questions. 

1268
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:24,000
Oh my God, the pressure fashion 
advice you'd give your 20 year 

1269
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:27,200
old self. 
Just believe in yourself a bit. 

1270
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:31,080
More put your shoulders back. 
Embrace it, be more curious, be 

1271
01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:33,920
more experimental, don't play it
so safe. 

1272
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:37,400
Which fashion trend would you? 
Most like to. 

1273
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:40,080
See, make a comeback. 
Oh, I love flares, but I don't 

1274
01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:42,320
think they've ever gone away. 
I mean, I would still wear 

1275
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:45,960
flares all the time. 
I love the shape of them and I 

1276
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:48,880
love the fact you can wear like 
massive wedges underneath big 

1277
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:51,200
boots. 
They're proper leg length. 

1278
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:55,000
Aren't they gorgeous fashion or 
beauty trend that you'd 

1279
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:59,600
consigned to room 101? 
I mean, there's so many that 

1280
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:01,800
I've even gone through through 
the years. 

1281
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:05,560
I mean, probably that silk play 
suit that I told you about that 

1282
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:08,800
was bad. 
Your last impulse buy. 

1283
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:13,760
I've had so many. 
I mean, I bought this thing 

1284
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:16,920
actually to wear at Bahrain 
Grand Prix and it was this like 

1285
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:21,360
it was gingham, which I love. 
And it had this like big bow on 

1286
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:24,240
it and I put it on and I just 
looked like an Easter egg. 

1287
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:27,360
I look ridiculous. 
I was like, can I pull that off?

1288
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:30,160
You see, mates of mine would 
have worn that and looked 

1289
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:32,480
amazing, but I just didn't have 
the confidence to do it. 

1290
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:34,960
It was the the old knobbly knees
were out in it. 

1291
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:37,280
Has it gone back? 
It's gone back. 

1292
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:39,640
Well, actually I gave it to a 
friend that OK, so this is a 

1293
01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:41,080
confession. 
This is really bad. 

1294
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:44,160
I never send anything back. 
I'm so bad. 

1295
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:47,600
I just give it to friends. 
And I'd never throw it away. 

1296
01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:50,280
Would always be because actually
Annie's involved in this amazing

1297
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:53,440
initiative that gets clothes for
ladies that are going for job 

1298
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:54,880
interviews that can't 
necessarily afford. 

1299
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:56,520
So we will Smart works. 
Yeah, that's it. 

1300
01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:59,200
Love that. 
And so actually, we, we always 

1301
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:02,680
pull together stuff for that. 
Like, I can't stand this idea of

1302
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:05,760
disposable fashion. 
It's just, it's wrong on every 

1303
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:07,040
level. 
And. 

1304
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:09,360
And yeah, if you can, I mean, 
I'd love. 

1305
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:13,440
I love pieces. 
Having a history and a. 

1306
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:16,000
Story to them. 
My dad bought me this beautiful 

1307
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:20,320
velvet military jacket probably 
30 years ago, and I still got 

1308
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:21,080
it. 
I still wear it. 

1309
01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:23,600
I went to Glastonbury, actually.
That's a good feeling. 

1310
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:24,800
Yeah. 
It was so cool. 

1311
01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:26,800
I love the. 
I love thinking about my dad 

1312
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:29,880
buying that for me. 
Your views on tattoos. 

1313
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:32,560
Well, I actually have a couple I
can see. 

1314
01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:36,280
Yeah. 
So that one my kids. 

1315
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:38,320
Initials, you know, pretty 
simple. 

1316
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:40,520
And then I've got sort of tramp 
stamp on my back. 

1317
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:45,720
The story about that was that I 
went into a tattoo parlour when 

1318
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:48,160
I was like 17 in Australia when 
I was backpacking. 

1319
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:51,720
And when I came home, I just 
asked for some stars to put be 

1320
01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:54,080
put on my back and my dad in the
garden. 

1321
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:57,280
It was a hot summer said to me, 
what on earth is that on your 

1322
01:07:57,280 --> 01:07:59,400
back? 
And I said, oh, I tried to 

1323
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:04,040
quickly think of a story and I 
said, well, it was a it's called

1324
01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:05,320
the Southern Cross, and it's 
part of. 

1325
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:08,640
You know the. 
Australian identity and what 

1326
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:11,480
they used it for us. 
It guided the sailors into the 

1327
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:13,200
mainland. 
I tried to come up with this 

1328
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:15,480
story and he went well. 
Where exactly you're guiding the

1329
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:20,000
sailors now? 
touché, you got me there, Johnny

1330
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:22,560
Pinks, damn it. 
But I never see it because it's 

1331
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:25,359
on my back. 
So beauty treatment, you 

1332
01:08:25,359 --> 01:08:28,680
couldn't give up? 
I'm really bad at beauty 

1333
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:33,800
treatments. 
My routine is face wipe, fall 

1334
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:36,439
asleep and it drives all my 
mates mad. 

1335
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:39,960
Elemis have just done this 
incredible deal in Formula One 

1336
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:41,840
where they're collaborating with
Aston Martin. 

1337
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:47,479
Brilliant partnership, have 
changed, finally trying to make 

1338
01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:50,840
the effort to do a bit of You've
seen the light. 

1339
01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:55,200
Yeah, it's probably too late, 
but I'm going to. 

1340
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:57,399
Fight for it. 
High end or High Street? 

1341
01:08:57,680 --> 01:08:59,760
Oh definitely High Street. 
Bling or bare? 

1342
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:03,760
I'm quite bare now, but I don't 
mind a bit of bling. 

1343
01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:07,319
Minimalism or maximalism? 
Well, I would always say 

1344
01:09:07,319 --> 01:09:10,040
minimalist, but actually if you 
looked at my house, the amount 

1345
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:13,680
of clutter and crap in my house,
you wouldn't believe it. 

1346
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:16,520
But there's something very 
therapeutic about having a big 

1347
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:19,560
clear out, so I try to do that 
as regular as I can. 

1348
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:22,760
Couture or charity shop. 
Do you know what? 

1349
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:25,880
There's loads of charity shops 
near me and we went in there, 

1350
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:28,520
Willow and I, the other day 
because she wanted to and we 

1351
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:30,240
found some really cool bits of 
couture. 

1352
01:09:30,399 --> 01:09:31,880
So maybe a nice hybrid of the 
two. 

1353
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:34,120
Nice. 
Where's just in Chiswick. 

1354
01:09:34,279 --> 01:09:37,399
Great Crocs. 
Cute or puke? 

1355
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:39,279
Well, I think they're cute 
again. 

1356
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:42,359
Sneakers or Stella hose 
sneakers. 

1357
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:45,279
Boyfriends or wide legs 
boyfriends. 

1358
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:50,160
Oh no. 
Oh I shall like wide legs beanie

1359
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:55,160
or baseball caps Love a baseball
cap sports lux or rock chick 

1360
01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:59,360
sports Always been a love to 
think I was more rock chick but 

1361
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:02,120
I'm not I'm sporty. 
Red carpet or relax. 

1362
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:05,720
Can we just have? 
A little bit of both you can, 

1363
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:07,080
yeah. 
Trend or style? 

1364
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:09,880
Style. 
Colour or monochrome? 

1365
01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:15,600
Oh, monochrome I think. 
Experimental or uniform? 

1366
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:21,360
Well, again, one thing I'd like 
to be the reality. 

1367
01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:23,120
It's like Instagram versus 
reality. 

1368
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:27,720
I think I'm, I'd probably just 
play it safe as in uniform, as 

1369
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:31,280
in, you know, it just it's 
easier, isn't it cashmere or 

1370
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:37,040
cotton Cashmere order or editor,
I don't know. 

1371
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:39,600
I don't know. 
Can I tell you one thing about 

1372
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:40,960
cashmere? 
Yes. 

1373
01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:43,600
One of my friend's mum's once 
said, Darling, if ever I feel 

1374
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:45,760
little blue, I just slipped some
cashmere on. 

1375
01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:50,120
That was a quote of the year. 
But it's good. 

1376
01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:53,600
It's a good one. 
Shapewear or sexy lingerie 

1377
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:57,600
again. 
One thing I'd love is. 

1378
01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:01,160
The other thing that I do, you 
should see my knicker drawer. 

1379
01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:05,320
It's just it's not sexy at all. 
Too much information. 

1380
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:07,720
Sorry. 
Tights or stockings or hold UPS.

1381
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:09,600
Oh, hold UPS. 
Hold UPS. 

1382
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:11,840
I love a pair of hold UPS. 
I say I think they look sexy. 

1383
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:15,280
They feel sexy, but they're 
slightly more practical than you

1384
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:17,560
know. 
Yeah, bikini on one piece 

1385
01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:19,840
bikini. 
I would love to say still 

1386
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:22,840
bikini, but etching. 
I'm starting to retire the 

1387
01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:24,920
bikini. 
Don't. 

1388
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:27,920
And finally, traditional last 
question. 

1389
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:30,680
At the end of the day, what do 
you or don't you wear in bed? 

1390
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:37,360
I have to wear pyjamas because I
sleepwalk and I have slept walk 

1391
01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:40,040
naked before and I've never made
the mistake again. 

1392
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:46,840
I sleepwalk regularly and now I 
get fully clothed before I go to

1393
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:48,280
bed. 
That's. 

1394
01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:50,160
An answer I've never had. 
There you go. 

1395
01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:53,400
But Natalie, thank you so much. 
Thank you so much. 

1396
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:57,800
What a lovely journey through 
your stylish life. 

1397
01:11:58,040 --> 01:11:59,480
Oh, you're so lovely. 
Thank you.