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Today I'm going on a sartorial 16 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:01,040 journey with Prince's Trust Women Supporting Women 17 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:04,519 ambassador and transgender fashion designer Serenity Mason. 18 00:01:05,239 --> 00:01:09,240 Serenity started her fashion business in 2018, Vault of 19 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:13,440 Serenity, a stall in Tunstall Market, Stoke after completing 20 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:15,400 the Prince's Trust Enterprise program. 21 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:19,200 The program had offered her practical advice about tax, 22 00:01:19,320 --> 00:01:22,280 business planning and pricing her items, as well as the 23 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:26,480 support of a business mentor. I met Serenity at a Prince's 24 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:29,840 Trust fundraising dinner and I was so struck by her and her 25 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:33,160 story that I felt the best way for me to help shine a light on 26 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:36,680 the incredible, life changing and at times even life saving 27 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:40,560 work that the Prince's Trust is doing was to use my Style DNA 28 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:44,320 platform. So hello and welcome, Serenity. 29 00:01:44,320 --> 00:01:47,240 And thank you for having me. It's lovely to have you here. 30 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:50,000 Thank you for making the journey from Birmingham today. 31 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:55,320 I think in the first instance I would love to understand the 32 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:58,760 impact of the Prince's Trust has had on you and your life. 33 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:02,040 Where do I start? It It changed my life. 34 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,240 It it saved my life in many ways. 35 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,680 Before the Prince's Trust, I was in a very, very dark place where 36 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:12,920 I was dealing with my PTSD and my depression and various other 37 00:02:12,920 --> 00:02:16,640 sort of issues and sort of all piled on me and made life just 38 00:02:16,640 --> 00:02:22,000 very, very difficult. When my father died, I decided 39 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,200 this is the time where I need to start turning things around. 40 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:27,520 So I started to look at my options and think, how can I get 41 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:30,960 back on the ladder? How can I get myself turned 42 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:33,840 around and try and make something of myself so I don't 43 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:36,120 waste away here in my current circumstance? 44 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:40,000 And so I reached out to the Prince's Trust and they go in 45 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,960 contact with me immediately and be like, yeah, we can help you. 46 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,800 And there's just such a level of energy that comes from them that 47 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:47,560 I'd not seen in a very long time. 48 00:02:47,920 --> 00:02:53,440 For the first time in yes, I, I felt hope and, you know, hope to 49 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:57,080 somebody that hasn't seen that or can't feel it right at that 50 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:59,400 point. It's, it's a nice feeling. 51 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,320 It's, it's, it gives, builds your resolve and it makes you 52 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:04,840 feel like, you know, maybe I'm not a write off. 53 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:09,800 Maybe I can do something? You mentioned PTSD. 54 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:11,880 Yeah. Are you happy to share? 55 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:12,720 Yeah. Absolutely. 56 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,240 I had quite a rough life in school. 57 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:20,320 I was bullied relentlessly. My parents were always phoning 58 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:23,000 up the school and trying to deal with things like I'd been in 59 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,800 another fight or I'd been beaten up or something could happen. 60 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:30,320 And I was living life in survival mode for so long that 61 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:34,600 I'd kind of built up traumas and very different things from not 62 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:36,680 actually coping with them healthfully at the time. 63 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:39,360 Because I just needed to focus on getting through the next day 64 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:43,160 and the next day after that and just living so that maybe when I 65 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:45,320 get out of the other end, I can pick up the pieces. 66 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:49,560 And PTSD isn't easy. It sort of affects me now 67 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:51,680 actually. I'm currently going to CPT 68 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:55,400 therapy every single week just to get through it on like 69 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:58,200 alongside me doing all this crazy stuff with my life. 70 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:00,760 To to process. It yeah, to, to sort of like 71 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:04,680 process it be able to cope with it easier so that as my life 72 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,000 progresses, it can stop being something that holds me back 73 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,280 because at the moment it it feels like an anchor. 74 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:13,120 It feels like I'm, I'm sailing the seas, but I still got this 75 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:16,000 thing dragging along behind me and I'm like, I want to snip 76 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:17,360 that off. I want to get rid of this. 77 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:19,000 I don't. I want this holding me back. 78 00:04:19,079 --> 00:04:21,680 Yeah, a way to heaviness. Yeah, exactly. 79 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,360 How did you first hear of the Prince's Trust though? 80 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:29,920 So I heard of the Prince's Trust initially because I was reaching 81 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:34,120 out for the Job Centre on the most glorified start. 82 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:35,520 But, you know, you've got to be somewhere. 83 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,760 And they said about the Prince's Trust that they had a couple of 84 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:41,800 programs and things that I could go and do, So I didn't know 85 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,800 exactly what that would be. And I always said that I wanted 86 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:47,600 my own business, but it was always something I wanted to do, 87 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,200 and fashion was always something I really wanted to do. 88 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:54,360 So I went to the Prince's Trust and although I had no kind of 89 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,880 fashion background in education or anything, they were more than 90 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:02,400 willing to support that. And what did you do initially 91 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,320 with the Prince's Trust? What programme did you go on? 92 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:07,160 That was the enterprise programme, MMM. 93 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:10,600 So it's a programme that's focused on just building young 94 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,480 people's business ideas, their business plans, and then helping 95 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:15,400 them with the funding and ability to actually make it 96 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:17,440 happen. And when you first went there, 97 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:23,080 did you have an idea for Vault of Serenity or was it just a you 98 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:26,120 wanted to work in fashion? I, I always had this kind of 99 00:05:26,280 --> 00:05:28,960 idea kind of set out at the start, like I always wanted this 100 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:31,680 little shop or I was selling all these kind of alternative 101 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:33,880 clothing wares and things, different bitches, something 102 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,760 unique, something unusual, something that not everywhere 103 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:38,800 else has. I want it to be like that little 104 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:41,320 glimmer of light in the High Street that you see and be like, 105 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,360 that's a cool shop. So you you went in to the 106 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:48,240 enterprise program knowing that that's where you wanted to get 107 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:52,280 to at the other end of it and they took you on a business 108 00:05:52,280 --> 00:05:53,720 journey. Yeah, they took me on a business 109 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:55,960 journey. So it was, it was a five day 110 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,040 program at the time. I think it's been produced and 111 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:01,040 free now with like extra kind of support. 112 00:06:01,840 --> 00:06:04,640 But I went through it and every day was slightly different. 113 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,320 So at first it was like put your business plan onto some paper, 114 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:09,520 like, you know, just write down what it is, brainstorm what it 115 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:11,640 is, get a grasp of what you want to do. 116 00:06:12,280 --> 00:06:15,040 And then you go for the things like financial things. 117 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:17,200 And some people find the accounts rather boring. 118 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:21,360 Luckily I had studied that at college, so I kind of whisked 119 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,520 through that fairly fast. And by the end of the week I 120 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:28,000 pretty much had the basics to build a business plan. 121 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,960 So then we'd go away. We could build this plan we've 122 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:34,560 on, we've got on on support from the trust itself. 123 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:38,040 I had a rather nice guy called Martin that was helping me out 124 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:41,760 whenever I had any, any needs. So I could just phone him up and 125 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:42,880 be like, I'm a little stuck here. 126 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:45,240 What do I do with this? And he'd be able to give me the 127 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:48,040 support and guidance that I need, but not just the support 128 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:50,440 in the case of building the plan and building the business. 129 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:53,320 If I called up and I was like having a little bit of trouble 130 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:56,960 with my mental health right now or this is holding me back, I 131 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:00,160 was always met with kindness and patience and they'd help me 132 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:01,840 resolve that. I'll deal with that, or get me 133 00:07:01,840 --> 00:07:05,000 the extra support I need so that I can still continue doing what 134 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,800 I want to do, but without sacrificing myself. 135 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:13,320 Brilliant. And then, so you present the 136 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:17,360 business plan and then what happens next? 137 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:20,960 So I remember when I presented the business plan, and that was 138 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:24,680 an interesting one because they get several local business sort 139 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:27,320 of people in just to sort of look over your plan and give it 140 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:29,840 the give the thumbs up. I went in there and it's like a 141 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:31,440 boardroom. It felt very kind of like 142 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:33,000 tonight Dragon's dead or something. 143 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:36,240 And I was like, oh, here we go. This is where it could all fall 144 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:37,720 apart or it could all come together. 145 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:40,520 They were all really impressed by my idea. 146 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:43,040 They liked what I was going to bring to this local community 147 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:46,920 and the space that I was in. It was, it was risky, but it 148 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,080 was, it felt exciting at the same time. 149 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,760 And I bought something to that town that had never been seen 150 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:54,680 before. I've just actually started the 151 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,680 business on 1000 lbs, which is well done. 152 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:01,040 Very little. Well done, but sometimes I think 153 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:05,800 actually being on a really tight budget can actually make us 154 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,800 really creative. Yeah, you can get very creative 155 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:10,960 when you've got limited options to what you do. 156 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:14,560 And because I was making a lot of bits and pieces in house, so 157 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:16,920 I was had my little sewing machine at the shop and I was 158 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:20,120 doing bits and pieces. I was sewing pair bows and 159 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:23,280 little accessories and things. I was like buying and selling 160 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:25,160 dresses and things from companies that I knew were 161 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,800 reputable because I kind of admired other fashion companies. 162 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:31,120 I like to wear other fashion company stuff as well. 163 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:34,960 So I was quite often running around the the market in in a 164 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,120 lovely like 50s swingy dress or something. 165 00:08:37,919 --> 00:08:42,240 So I was always a character and people always admired the kind 166 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:46,080 of like over confidence that I kind of bought out there. 167 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:50,360 Creativity, yeah. But now you are an ambassador 168 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,360 for women supporting women. Can you tell me a little bit 169 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,200 about that? So my role as an ambassador is 170 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:58,200 sort of represent the trust's interests. 171 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,320 So I'll go out to events and I'll be that kind of 172 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:04,920 representative head, but I'll tell my story and inspire people 173 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:07,120 and people that have never heard about the trust before, 174 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:08,840 particularly even that they might be there. 175 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:10,560 And they're like, I don't know what the trust's about. 176 00:09:10,560 --> 00:09:13,120 And then there's I stand up on the stage and I tell them my 177 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:15,920 life story. And I'm like, I started in the 178 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:18,160 dark and now I'm here, I'm doing things. 179 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:21,760 And now I'm standing before you telling you that your support 180 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:25,520 can support for people. I must admit, when I heard you 181 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:30,920 speak at that dinner, it just bought the whole thing to to 182 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:34,280 life for me. You know, it's one thing saying 183 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:37,080 Princess dress does this great work, etcetera, etcetera. 184 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:43,640 But when you see and hear how it has really affected and possibly 185 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:49,400 even saved someone's life, it's, it's so uplifting and it, and 186 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:52,000 it, what I love about it is so constructive. 187 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:56,280 You, you know, it helped you create a business that's that's 188 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:59,600 such a gift and. There's not many organizations 189 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,000 out there that would that would give you those tools. 190 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:04,400 They might be able to give you the business of pop up and 191 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,000 things like that, but not hold your hand for the entire 192 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,320 process. And there was never any kind of 193 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:12,400 like limitations or, or kind of like, oh, you're going to have 194 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,040 to look at this realistically or anything. 195 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:15,520 It's like you, you've got a dream. 196 00:10:15,680 --> 00:10:18,360 Let's see how it's possible, and let's see how we can do it. 197 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:21,880 Love that, love that. But today we're going on a style 198 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:22,800 journey. Yes. 199 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:27,080 So my first question to you is, how did you decide what you were 200 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:29,200 going to wear today? Oh heavens. 201 00:10:29,680 --> 00:10:32,360 Well, obviously we're coming into a bit of an autumnal kind 202 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:35,640 of season, so I tried to pick some Browns and things and none 203 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:39,800 of this is my work. I've got this rather nice top 204 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:43,040 out in Camden a couple of months ago and I thought it was just a 205 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:47,160 little bit bright and warm. Yeah, I'll just try to fix 206 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:49,280 something that was a little warmer for the weather, kind of 207 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:52,800 felt right for the season because a lot of my own personal 208 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:54,800 designs are quite somewhere orientated are. 209 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:57,200 They that's interesting. And you were always a hat 210 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,040 wearer. Oh, I like a good hat, 211 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,240 especially Bray, the hat of the creative. 212 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:05,680 As I like to say, that means you've got a bad hair day. 213 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:10,040 Oh, absolutely. I've I've got more into hats, 214 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:12,960 definitely. Finding the right hat, though, 215 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:15,680 because I feel like everybody's got a hat that suits them. 216 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,720 Suits the the face show. It always fascinates me going to 217 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:23,120 see a Milliner actually, because they can, they can look at your 218 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:27,360 face and put the right hat on you immediately. 219 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:31,160 I you know, it's, it's such a skill, but you grew up in the 220 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:34,040 Midlands. I did were you were very aware 221 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:35,840 of your parents style when you were growing up? 222 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:38,360 My mom was always quite fashionable. 223 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,440 My my dad thought so much, but that's because my dad had 224 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:43,880 disabilities. So he was just sort of like slap 225 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:47,640 a slap the jeans and polo top on that all day, you know, he lived 226 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:49,880 in those things. But my mom was always quite 227 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:53,080 export like a experimental with a style. 228 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:55,120 She'd like try different coats and different scarves and 229 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:57,760 combinations, and she'd be in these blouses and jeans. 230 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:01,720 And she's even sort of passed down close to me in the past. 231 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:05,400 And I was wearing a rather nice sort of leather bodice at the 232 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,240 dinner when you met. And that was actually handed 233 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,120 down from my mother and she used to wear it when she was my age. 234 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:16,440 Now, am I correct in saying that your mother and your grandmother 235 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:17,880 love to sew? They do. 236 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:21,880 My grands kind of went off the serving as much these days 237 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:24,640 because her hands aren't quite as good, but she's just recently 238 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:27,480 got into crochet thanks to my mother and now she's a little 239 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:30,440 bit obsessed with crochet, so lots of yarn all over the place. 240 00:12:30,560 --> 00:12:32,680 Are you designing what she's crocheting? 241 00:12:32,680 --> 00:12:34,680 No, I'm not. I've obviously had to design 242 00:12:34,680 --> 00:12:36,680 crochet patterns. I'm still learning how to do 243 00:12:36,680 --> 00:12:38,720 that. Did they teach you how to sew? 244 00:12:39,680 --> 00:12:42,520 My mom taught me how to sew, and my mom was always there sewing 245 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:44,720 and bits and pieces and always heard the stories of my nan 246 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:48,120 making like dresses out of curtains and things growing up. 247 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:50,440 So that was always like, I was like, wow, that's so cool. 248 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:53,280 You know, you know, to just take a cone which would have just 249 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:54,960 been thrown away and turned it into something you could wear. 250 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:58,360 I was always fascinated by that, yeah, sort of the idea of taking 251 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,000 something that so remnant and turning it into something that's 252 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:02,600 wearable. So I actually tried to do that a 253 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:05,360 lot with my own work. I tried to make sustainable 254 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:08,560 fashion. So in that sense, do are you 255 00:13:08,560 --> 00:13:11,040 upcycling? Are you taking one garment and 256 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:13,280 changing it? Yeah, sometimes. 257 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,720 Sometimes it will just be off cuts of fabric that are in weird 258 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:19,360 shapes, but you can still get a little bit of a thing out of it 259 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:22,720 or kind of half of a top pattern and then you can change it and 260 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:26,160 do different things of it. I recently made a sort of like a 261 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:29,000 long sleeve cold shoulder topped with sort of like a mesh 262 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:32,600 netting, and I made that entirely out of recycled ban 263 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:34,560 T-shirts. Oh, great. 264 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:39,120 Brilliant. What do you remember your 265 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:44,160 earliest sartorial memory? The moment that you realized 266 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:50,200 that clothes had power, that you put something on and you felt 267 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:52,120 completely different. Yeah. 268 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:53,600 OK. So this quite relates to my 269 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:55,680 transition in a very strong sense. 270 00:13:55,760 --> 00:14:00,880 And when I was sort of in my very early years, maybe 10-11 271 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:05,840 years old, I was sort of like stockpiling bits and pieces sort 272 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:08,560 of in hiding spots so I could kind of experiment with my 273 00:14:08,560 --> 00:14:12,520 gender and sort of find and before I feel more myself. 274 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,760 But if I, when I put all that kind of there's bits and pieces 275 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:19,080 on and I've made some unusual style choices when I was 10, 276 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:25,040 because we do, I was finding myself and by choosing that kind 277 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,560 of clothing and different bits and pieces and even the 278 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:30,600 alternative way that I got into a couple years afterwards, it 279 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:32,440 was always like just me experimenting. 280 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:34,240 And I never really sat on a style. 281 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:38,320 Like even now, I'm still almost, I'm that child still. 282 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:41,160 I'll go out and I'll pick random things and I'll put different 283 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:43,280 things together. I never seem to follow trends as 284 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:45,600 much. I was find myself looking at 285 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:49,160 trends occasionally, but because that's just because I want to 286 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:50,720 keep up on them because of my profession. 287 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:56,800 But it's more that I like to be the trendsetter almost and kind 288 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,920 of go, well, this makes me happy, but also this over top 289 00:14:59,920 --> 00:15:02,320 makes me happy. Or I'm going to put a cardigan 290 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:05,720 with that because that's cozy and it makes you feel fuzzy and 291 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:07,760 warm. So I'll throw things together 292 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:10,920 because they reflect my inner self. 293 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:13,120 So you're quite a mood dresser, would you say? 294 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,240 Absolutely. Did you wear a school uniform? 295 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:18,040 I did. How did that? 296 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,480 Feel I hated. It what was it? 297 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,440 Tell me. So it was the old blazer with 298 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:28,240 the stocky shoulders. Lovely lovely dark blue tie. 299 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,400 I absolutely loved the entire outfit but I think it's because 300 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:33,720 of what it represented as well because school was not a nice 301 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,080 place for me so it was almost felt like I was putting on my 302 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:38,720 prison jumpsuit every morning. What colour was it? 303 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:42,800 It was black and dark blue. Did you ever customize your 304 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,960 school uniform? I did too much how? 305 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,200 Tell me. I was always getting told off 306 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:50,440 for it. I was always untucking my shirt. 307 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:54,000 I was always doing my tie too short and you know, making it 308 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:55,080 big or. Big not. 309 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:58,360 I was always trying to play around with my style even then 310 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:02,120 because it was very restrictive, but I've always wanted to not be 311 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:04,880 the same. That was school uniform and that 312 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:12,240 was at a time that you were feeling not fully yourself in 313 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:14,520 your body. Yeah, it felt like I was wearing 314 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:18,760 a mask, almost like. And so you would come home and 315 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:22,680 try on different looks in the privacy of your own. 316 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:25,440 Yeah, kind of when I had my own space and my own room, which I 317 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:27,800 did eventually have by the time I was in my mid teens, we never 318 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:31,040 had much room going go because my dad being disabled and me and 319 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:34,360 my sister in to share space and never really had that space to 320 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:36,280 explore myself. And then when I finally did get 321 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:39,600 that space I was trying whenever I had a spare moment, I'd be 322 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:43,600 exploring something called would have managed to buy a skirt from 323 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:46,240 a charity shop or something can hid it away and. 324 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:50,280 Did your sister know about this? I told my sister when I was 16 325 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:52,840 because I finally confided in her because she came into my 326 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:56,280 room one day and I was rather upset because I just, I was just 327 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:59,120 cracking under the pressure. I couldn't, I couldn't hold it 328 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:01,440 in any longer. And so I told her, and she kept 329 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:04,400 it to herself all these all these years until I finally came 330 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:07,079 out. Did she help you at all on your 331 00:17:07,079 --> 00:17:09,920 style journey? I think that she was always been 332 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,880 quite inspiration in my life. I've always really looked up to 333 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,400 my little sister. She's always been such a strong, 334 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,359 independent character and she's always been there for me. 335 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:22,000 So whenever I was struggling or had hardships, she was always 336 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:25,160 the 1st to be like, straight in that room, put an arm around me 337 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:26,880 because of, you know, you OK, what's up? 338 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:28,480 You know, do you want to talk about it? 339 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:30,680 Or even if I don't want to talk about it, she'd just stay there 340 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:32,240 until I felt OK again. You know? 341 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:34,120 True sister. Yeah, we're quite close. 342 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:36,080 Lovely, lovely. And you still. 343 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:36,880 Are. Yeah, we are. 344 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:40,840 She lives in Brighton now. So beautiful city. 345 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:43,560 Yeah. And I'm yet to visit her. 346 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:45,840 I'm. I'm certainly planning on it. 347 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:47,200 It's great. Vintage shops. 348 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:49,160 There, it's like the creative capitalism, yeah. 349 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:52,480 So I do intend to go there, but we are still really close even 350 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:56,880 though the distance. Now you created a label called 351 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:01,560 Vault of Serenity. How did you come up with the 352 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:06,000 name and the concept? OK, so are you vault of vault as 353 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:10,120 if like it's almost like you're open a vault and all this 354 00:18:10,120 --> 00:18:14,000 magical stuff's inside, all this colour, all these unique stuff 355 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:16,160 and you don't know what's going to be behind this big vault 356 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:17,720 door. And this is this feels like the 357 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:19,480 the mask I was wearing all these years. 358 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:24,000 That door was that mask and I just needed someone's like the 359 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:28,320 the strength to be able to lift the Hatch and pull it open and 360 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:31,600 open up all this stuff inside. I'd been hiding. 361 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,920 So I call it the Vault of Serenity because I wanted to be 362 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:40,800 almost like this is me world and this is who I am and I'm here to 363 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:43,720 share it with you all now. And I'm not scared anymore. 364 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:49,320 It it's lovely. I I can, I can really understand 365 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:56,480 why the name came about. And serenity because it's your 366 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:58,720 serene space. Well, I suppose so. 367 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:04,680 When I was, when I chose Serenity as my actual name, I 368 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,800 chose it because by definition, it means Peace of Mind. 369 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:11,160 And that's exactly what I got from transitioning. 370 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:13,760 I finally felt at peace with who I was. 371 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:15,480 I felt like I was who I needed to be. 372 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:19,160 And when did you feel you actually transitioned? 373 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:21,560 How old were you? So when I actually started 374 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:27,080 transitioning, I was 2122 years old and that was when I first 375 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:30,720 got myself on the NHS waiting lists, which are precariously 376 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:34,560 long. Yeah, and what does it actually 377 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:38,400 mean? Sorry if that's a very ignorant 378 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:42,760 question, but I'd love to understand what it what it means 379 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:44,480 to you. To what? 380 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:46,840 To be transgender. To transition. 381 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:51,200 To transition. OK, so to transition for me. 382 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,960 So it's so hard to put it into words because it means so many, 383 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:58,280 so many big incredible things I've that it's very difficult to 384 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,520 verbalize almost. But it feels like you're finally 385 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:03,040 living your life for the first time. 386 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:06,040 It feels like you're living in a pilot, like when you're, when 387 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,640 you're masking and you're, and you're hiding away and you, 388 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,520 you'd like, I don't know how the world's going to take this. 389 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:14,200 Are they ready for me yet? You know, is it progressive 390 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,680 enough? Am I going to get, am I going to 391 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:18,440 be in a world of hell just by doing it? 392 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:22,680 And fortunately for me, when I came out, my family was very 393 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:26,760 supportive. My even my dad was notably 394 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:28,800 supportive, which I did not expect at all. 395 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:34,800 I completely read him wrong and I finally felt like I was alive. 396 00:20:35,360 --> 00:20:38,200 It felt like I had a reason to get up in the morning and before 397 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,120 that it didn't feel like I was living. 398 00:20:41,360 --> 00:20:45,160 Did you ever feel that you wish you'd opened up a little bit 399 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,600 more to your family about it earlier because they were so 400 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:55,520 supportive when you did? Yeah, and no, I wish I had in 401 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:59,680 many senses, because I feel like they, I already know that they 402 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:01,840 always would have loved me and they never would have turned 403 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:05,080 their back on me. I've seen some horror stories of 404 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:09,000 what happens to when it goes wrong, but in my case, it went 405 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:13,200 very, very right. But I don't feel like the bolt 406 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,320 was ready for me earlier on, especially in my teenage years. 407 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,040 I don't feel like it was a safe enough space for me to 408 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:22,440 transition, or it might have made my mental health worse with 409 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:26,040 me trying to navigate the world. You know, when it's slightly 410 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:29,040 less educated, I mean, there's a lot more talk about it now. 411 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:30,640 We're we're talked about a lot more now. 412 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:36,680 I mean, it's such an intensely personal thing that, and it's 413 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:42,360 such a complex thing that I would imagine it's a, it's a 414 00:21:42,360 --> 00:21:47,960 very bumpy journey that you just have to navigate yourself. 415 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:51,840 Through, and I mean you, I face a great deal of challenges like 416 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:53,720 through my transition, it's been difficult. 417 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:56,160 I've had times where there's a lot of people that want to 418 00:21:56,160 --> 00:22:03,080 discredit the sort of the legitimacy of my existence or 419 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:07,760 that that I shouldn't exist at all in some cases. 420 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:12,960 Oh, no, no, no, no, no. But you have this incredible 421 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,680 thing that you've created, Vault of Serenity. 422 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:21,440 I understand it's on hold at the moment while you're at fashion 423 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:23,160 college Which. Is brilliant. 424 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,120 I'm studying textile design now at university. 425 00:22:26,120 --> 00:22:29,840 I started on fashion yeah and I decided I because I am actually 426 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:33,040 self-taught pattern making and I can do all my own garments and 427 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:34,920 things like that. So I thought I've already 428 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:39,040 covered this space so but what I don't understand is textiles as 429 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:42,280 much, but in the more the sense of how fabrics are created and 430 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:46,960 made and printed. And I wanted to explore that and 431 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:50,920 dive into this world of curiosity and a way for me to 432 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,960 explore all these different fabric types and how things work 433 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,800 and different kind of types of print and different ways of 434 00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:00,640 doing it. Has your course impacted you 435 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:07,120 already on the way you dress? Yes, I suppose. 436 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,000 I think I've opened myself up to more inspirations as I 437 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,360 progressed through it. I've always been quite an 438 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,320 outright kind of dresser anyway. I've. 439 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,600 I mean, I've, I've been wearing quite unique clothing or things 440 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,720 that I've made myself because the things I can't find are 441 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,440 quite unique enough. So I've always been quite 442 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,640 experimental with how I dress, especially when I came out 443 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:35,440 because I'd spent most of my time in secret transition, sort 444 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,200 of like figuring out what to wear, what works. 445 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,200 So I kind of had an idea when I first transitioned of what looks 446 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,280 good. So when I finally kind of came 447 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,840 out and I was going out into the world, I was like, I know what 448 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:51,080 to wear. I mean, I often talk about how 449 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,240 clothes can sometimes be our armor. 450 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,840 You've talked openly about being bullied at school and how you 451 00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:00,640 battled with depression. And as a result of that, I 452 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:05,120 wondered whether you think you ever used clothes to give you 453 00:24:05,120 --> 00:24:09,160 strength or protection. Oh, absolutely. 454 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:13,280 But I feel like that's because when we look good, we feel good. 455 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,160 And when we, you know, when you get up in the morning, you, you 456 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,840 put your, you put your armor on. You do you, you put your clothes 457 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,000 on, you put your, you put your outfit that you've chosen and 458 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,080 laid out the night before. And you're smart. 459 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,920 And that isn't armor in a sense, because you go out and you feel 460 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:30,720 confident. You strut yourself stuff down 461 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:31,960 that street. You could be in the middle of a 462 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,360 council estate, but you still feel like you're on fire because 463 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:39,840 you look good. Love that, love that so so would 464 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:45,280 you say you're a mood dresser or do you plan your looks ahead of 465 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:49,560 the ahead of the day? I'm going to say a mood dresser, 466 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:53,800 but I also do plan, but that's more 'cause I plan multiple 467 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,600 outfits for certain moods. So I might make wake up one day 468 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,880 and I feel like a comfy jumper mode and I just want to feel 469 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,360 cozy and comfortable. I've got outfits planned for 470 00:25:03,360 --> 00:25:06,480 that, or combinations that I've got that I can throw together 471 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,520 for that. How do you plan your outfits? 472 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:13,440 Do you get in your bedroom and do a real blitz in front of the 473 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,960 mirror and take selfies or how do you plan? 474 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:19,440 Your outfits. Yeah, I suppose I am a bit of a 475 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:23,200 bit of a mirror hogger. I'll go through my wardrobe. 476 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,720 Sometimes I'll pull bits out and they'll be all over the floor, 477 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:27,600 all over the chairs, on the bed, everything. 478 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,400 And I'll just be going around picking things up, putting 479 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,600 things together that I didn't know might not work. 480 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,440 I didn't buy them with the intention of going together and 481 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:37,480 then I'll throw something together. 482 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,680 I'll try it on in the mirror and then go no. 483 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,200 And then I'll go back to the drawing board, try again, try 484 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,120 something else, and then I'll find all these really unique 485 00:25:45,120 --> 00:25:48,080 looks that just really combo well together just by trying and 486 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,080 experimenting. How did you learn how to do your 487 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,040 makeup? It's quite common actually that 488 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:54,760 I get asked like, how do you do your makeup? 489 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:56,200 Where did you learn to do your makeup? 490 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:58,960 And what makeup artist taught you how to do that? 491 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:02,880 And I was like just just myself. But it's just because I've had 492 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,120 lots of time to experiment because even when I was in those 493 00:26:06,120 --> 00:26:09,520 early times of transition and if when I was hiding it and I was 494 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,880 just in my bedroom when I had my privacy, just trying things like 495 00:26:13,120 --> 00:26:16,280 I'd have some makeup wipes on hand and I just try different 496 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,240 things. So through my whole life almost, 497 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,280 I've been experimenting and trying these different looks and 498 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,440 seeing what works for me. So when I got to this point, 499 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,840 it's like an everyday thing. I, I go to university with this 500 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,680 kind of makeup on and stuff and everybody's like must take ages. 501 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:34,160 And I was like no, 20 minutes. Do you ever go out without your 502 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,960 makeup on? Very, very occasionally might be 503 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,240 if I'm just popping to the shop for a bit of bread or something. 504 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,040 You know, the, the most briefing count you can get away with. 505 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,960 But Oh no, if if I'm going to go out I I feel like it really 506 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,360 helps my confidence and it makes my eyes glow a little more, 507 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:51,560 makes me feel brighter and I feel happier. 508 00:26:52,120 --> 00:26:54,160 Yeah. What do you think you reach for 509 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,240 when you need to feel empowered? It's. 510 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,800 Got to be a flowy skirt. Got a big flowy skirt? 511 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,000 Love that you just feel. So untouchable. 512 00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:06,600 Actually, out of interest, what did you wear when you went in 513 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,880 front of the, was it the enterprise board? 514 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,360 What, what did you put on for that meeting? 515 00:27:12,360 --> 00:27:13,600 Because that's quite a big meeting. 516 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,000 Yeah, it was quite a big meeting. 517 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,880 I had, God, it was so many years ago. 518 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,560 I had like a purple kind of plum kind of colour blouse with like 519 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,720 the sleeves cut off. It was like a short sleeve kind 520 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,320 of thing with the nice little gold buttons. 521 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:32,040 And I look a quite nice pair of fitted kind of trousers, which 522 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,680 was quite unusual for me because I was usually, I'm usually like 523 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,600 a skirt kind of girl. And heels. 524 00:27:37,360 --> 00:27:39,920 I didn't own a pair of heels at the time because I hadn't quite 525 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:41,840 branched into that far of my transition. 526 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,800 I did eventually get into the heels and now I own multiple 527 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,120 pairs. Who would you consider to be 528 00:27:47,120 --> 00:27:50,120 your style icon? Oh, I've had this one many a 529 00:27:50,120 --> 00:27:52,480 time. My answer is always the same. 530 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:54,840 I've always looked up to Vivienne Westwood. 531 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,280 I, I love her attitude, even if you just strip the fashion stuff 532 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:03,160 away, it's the attitude and the way that she viewed the world 533 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,960 and the way that she had impact as well. 534 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,400 When did you first come across her? 535 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,960 How old were you? I was quite young, and that was 536 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,520 because I had family that told me about Vivian Westwood. 537 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,520 And I was like, Oh yeah, you should, you should see Vivian 538 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,000 Westwood's work and stuff. So from quite early on, I was 539 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:24,320 sort of like looking at various bits and pieces of her and not 540 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,520 always even the fashion, but just like the things she did, 541 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,480 like the protests and all the different things, Her vibe. 542 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:30,680 Yeah. And her shop. 543 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,080 And she first initially opened that shop, and it was quite 544 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,840 controversial, but that was just so very her. 545 00:28:36,360 --> 00:28:38,440 And I was just like, I want to be like that. 546 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:43,200 I think what was so strong and is still about the brand, but 547 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:51,120 about Vivian was her absolute integrity and authenticity to 548 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,120 her thoughts. That that was, that's another 549 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,560 thing. And she's just so true to 550 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,600 herself. And I feel like I am also like 551 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,200 that in a sense. And I think it was, yeah. 552 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,560 There's a lot to be taken from that, isn't there? 553 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,520 You know, I think it's it, it is inspiring. 554 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,680 Yeah, she had a great sense of character and she was, she was, 555 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,880 she was never apologetic about being her or being herself or 556 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:14,840 whatever she put out on the table. 557 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,840 It was like, this is what I'm putting on the table. 558 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,280 It was. It wasn't up for debate. 559 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:21,880 Vivian was very much, we're doing it my way. 560 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:26,600 Oh, I I really admire that. Absolutely, absolutely. 561 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:33,000 MY1 tiny little Vivian story was there was a big fashion party at 562 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:34,680 Kensington Palace. I can't remember. 563 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,960 It was a Fashion Week party or something like that. 564 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:38,920 Was years and years and years ago. 565 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,400 And I remember we were sort of presented, I think it was 566 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:47,000 Princess Michael, and chatting to her and she looked over my 567 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,120 shoulder and she went, is that a bum I see? 568 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,760 And it was Vivian there in a lace dress with absolutely 569 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:55,520 nothing underneath. It was fantastic. 570 00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:01,880 So very Vivian. So Vivian, if someone were to 571 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:07,920 describe your style in three words, how what 3 words would 572 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:09,960 you want those to be? Oh, definitely. 573 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:14,920 Like unique alternative. A very alternative. 574 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,400 It's inspiring. I mean, I can. 575 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,960 I'll go around wearing whatever I want and people will see that 576 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:26,920 and be like, well, why can't I do that? 577 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:33,320 Good, good. Do you have one item of clothing 578 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,640 that means the most to you? Oh, I've got a few items of 579 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,000 clothing that mean the most to me, and one of them is on my 580 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,840 feet. These boots have been with me 581 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,400 since the beginning of the. Transition. 582 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,760 I was going to say, how did they come about? 583 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:47,680 How did you how did you find them? 584 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,680 I bought these boots from the Rock themselves and it was in 585 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:56,320 2016, two, 1015. I've been the very, very back 586 00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:00,680 end of 2015 and that was when I just moved away from my parents 587 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:05,400 and I was living out in Stoke and, and wanted to express 588 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,240 myself a bit more. I'd always wanted a pair of 589 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,640 these boots. I was there in 2008 absolutely 590 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:14,000 envying every goth girl that had these platform chunky boots. 591 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,080 And I was like, I've got to have a pair of those. 592 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:21,240 So I went out and I bought these and, and I've had a few like 593 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,800 really loves over the years. I've had to replace the laces 594 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,400 and sort of sew up a little bit where I've had it split in. 595 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,040 So they're probably pretty empowering. 596 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,920 Yes, I would say so, Yeah, kind of clunking your way in with 597 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,200 these big platform boots. I mean, I've got another pair of 598 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,800 new rock boots as well, and those ones, I've got a little 599 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:39,520 bit more of a Click to them when you walk in. 600 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,240 So you almost get that kind of empowering, kind of like wearing 601 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,480 the high heel level click. And when you're walking out, you 602 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,120 slowly tap your way in and people all look around and I'm 603 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,400 like, I'm here. Is sound important to you the 604 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:55,760 way a skirt might rustle or your boots might click? 605 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:57,840 Oh, absolutely. I think the way that you carry 606 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,480 yourself and then has your clothes motion to reflect that. 607 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:06,640 Do you ever think about how something is going to move when 608 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,400 when you try it on? Oh, absolutely. 609 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,560 And because now I'm studying textiles, it means that I, I'm 610 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,280 hyper vigilant to that. So when I'm buying something in 611 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,800 a shop or even picking fabrics in a, you know, like in a fabric 612 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,320 warehouse or something for my own projects, I'm sitting there 613 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,920 thinking, how will this flow? I'll sit there with a meter of 614 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,720 it off hanging or like flowing around in the air trying to get 615 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,400 a feel for it. So I'm like because this is 616 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,840 going to be how it behaves and how it behaves effects how you 617 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,000 produce and what you make with. It and how you cut it, Yeah, 618 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:41,440 absolutely. When you're not absolutely sure 619 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:47,000 on something you know a look, whose opinion do you most trust? 620 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:51,520 Mom, always mom. And so I'll, I'll like I I still 621 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,160 do it now. I'll, I'll put on an outfit and 622 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,440 then I'll, I'll tap on a door and I'll be like, what do you 623 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:57,800 think of this one? Does this look OK? 624 00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,080 Is this all right? And she goes, yeah, you look 625 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:00,520 great. And I'll block. 626 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:01,120 OK. Yeah. 627 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:01,960 OK. Take your word. 628 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,520 Your word is final. We've all had them, but what 629 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,480 would you say is was your worst fashion moment? 630 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,800 Oh God. OK so my worst fashion moment. 631 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,880 I bought these faux leather leggings which I thought would 632 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,440 look great. They did look great. 633 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,080 They felt great when I wasn't moving. 634 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,920 Walking down the street, not so much, because all I could hear 635 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:27,960 was this fabric rubbing together. 636 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:29,360 Was it a squeak? Squeak. 637 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,320 He healed. It was a little squeak, squeak 638 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:35,200 and a little brush, brush and everybody could hear it. 639 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,680 And I felt like I was some kind of like human cricket, rubbing 640 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:43,080 my legs together. And I was like, yeah, maybe not. 641 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:44,880 So I've actually never wore them since. 642 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:46,800 But I can't. I don't have the heart to get 643 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,360 rid of them because I could cut them up and turn them into 644 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,320 something. Absolutely, Absolutely. 645 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:59,600 If money were no object, what would be your just golden brand? 646 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,560 What would be the brand that you would love to wear? 647 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,520 That's a really hard choice because there's a few brands I 648 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,640 go to for different things. But if we're talking clothing 649 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:11,360 wise, there's actually a little golf company called Poison 650 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:16,120 Industries and it's spelled with a zed just to just to be fun and 651 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,239 they make some wonderful clothes. 652 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,520 The the coats that I've had off them have lasted years and the 653 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,199 land they do tops and gloves and all kinds of things. 654 00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:27,520 And he's just really nice little stylistic add-ons for your like 655 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,560 current wardrobe that's really bring out a little bit of class 656 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,520 in it, but still kind of maintaining that kind of golf 657 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,440 alternative vibe. What would you say you've got an 658 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,280 excessive amount of, if anything, in your wardrobe? 659 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,440 Oh, excessive amount of dresses. I have so many dresses. 660 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:45,840 And then that's partially because I run a dress shop and 661 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,239 every single time I had a new dress in, I always wanted one 662 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,880 myself. And I wore them around the shop. 663 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,120 I'd wear them around the market and different things. 664 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,960 So customers would see them being worn and how they flow 665 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,240 when they walk. And that didn't inspire sales 666 00:35:00,240 --> 00:35:03,760 because they could see it on a person and it kind of made them 667 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,160 go, wow, that's amazing. And yeah, I've got some on the 668 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:07,760 rack there. And then they try one and then 669 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:12,040 they can't, they can't leave it. They're like, OK, I've got to 670 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,120 have this. Because it just showed them that 671 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:19,040 like, I, I won't sell. I wouldn't sell anything that I 672 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,080 wouldn't wear myself. And I think that that inspired 673 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:26,040 confidence in them. Out of interest, when you had 674 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,680 your shop did you sell to many other trans? 675 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,480 Oh yeah, individuals. I was kind of like a kind of 676 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,520 very friendly space in that area. 677 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,600 So I had nearly nearly every other trans person or LGBT 678 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:44,520 person or even just normal people that just wanted 679 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,080 something completely different. But they could come to mind in 680 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,440 full confidence that I was never going to sit there and question 681 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,000 them or anything. Like I was just more bothered 682 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,360 about have I got the size or have I got the right fit for 683 00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,200 you? I'd even help style. 684 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,720 Sometimes they come in and be like, look, this is very new to 685 00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:02,960 me. There might be trans and, and 686 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,160 they only just started their journey, so they didn't really 687 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,200 know what would work for them and not be able to look at their 688 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,360 body type, look at their style and be I would pick something 689 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,240 out and be like, OK, try this, try this. 690 00:36:13,240 --> 00:36:15,480 Or maybe a little dress belt with that and things, you know, 691 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,040 just to really bring it out. And they always left with such a 692 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,960 big smile on their face and they were like, we're coming back. 693 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,400 What is your approach to sustainable fashion? 694 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:26,320 OK. So sustainable fashion is 695 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,440 something that I've had to really take on board a lot 696 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:33,720 because of my degree. I never really give things or I 697 00:36:33,720 --> 00:36:35,920 never throw things away. If I do get rid of something, it 698 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,240 will go to charity where it can be repurposed, resold. 699 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,000 If it's something that's too bad to give away, I will butcher it 700 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,960 up, take what fabric I can and I'll turn it into something new 701 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,520 or it stays in a bag for so many years until I finally get round 702 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,280 to turning into something new. But I never waste. 703 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,520 I try to never waste no matter what it is. 704 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,040 I'll I look at it as fabric that can be used. 705 00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,560 What do you do with your clothes when you've had enough of them? 706 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,960 I might cut them up, turn them into something different. 707 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,800 Maybe if I've got a dress that I've wore so many times and I'm 708 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:10,520 just sick of it, but it's too warm to be able to gift it on 709 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:14,120 or, or whatever the case, sometimes I will gift, gift a 710 00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,920 piece on to maybe another trans person that's just starting 711 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:18,400 their journey out and they want to experiment. 712 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,120 You know, they might get through many dresses. 713 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,960 So it's it's very much just a placeholder in their wardrobe. 714 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:25,720 So sometimes I'll chalk it that way. 715 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,040 Otherwise I might go, you know, I really like the pattern on 716 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,840 this, so I might cut it up and turn into a little pouch or a 717 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,760 pillow or something. I've made a few pillows over 718 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:39,280 time from recycled dresses. Lovely, lovely. 719 00:37:39,720 --> 00:37:41,680 What is the oldest piece in your wardrobe? 720 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:46,480 I've got some old Hell Bunny brand pieces from the early 721 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,680 2000s which are considered vintage now. 722 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:50,920 It's like God knows what the classmate has. 723 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,600 Yeah, I suppose. I've got this one skirt which is 724 00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,240 gorgeous. It's like a multi layered 725 00:37:57,240 --> 00:38:01,320 pinstripe with these little patches on and it's a stunning 726 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,440 pace to wear. I almost never wear it because 727 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,880 I'm so scared of wearing it out. You sound like you have a huge 728 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,000 wardrobe. I do have. 729 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,760 Quite a lot. Do you look after everything 730 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:12,760 beautiful I. Do it's all on hangers, It's all 731 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,160 laid out. I can pick and nitpick at 732 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,120 anything, but it means I've got so many options that depends on 733 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,600 how I'm feeling, depends on sometimes I'm going to an event 734 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:22,560 and there'll be a theme and I'll be like, well, I've got 735 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,760 something for that, you know, I don't need to go out and buy 736 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:26,440 more. I don't need to go and consume 737 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,680 more. I can try and put something 738 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,800 together or I I can even take this. 739 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,000 I haven't wore this in seven years and I'll take that and 740 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:34,400 I'll cut it up and turn in something new. 741 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,520 Move on to the quick fire questions. 742 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,600 What fashion advice would you give to your 20 year old self? 743 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,960 Oh, don't be afraid to experiment. 744 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,840 Don't be worried about what people think of what you're 745 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,360 wearing. Just wear things for yourself 746 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,920 because if you look in the mirror and you can be happy 747 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,800 about that, then that's all the clarification that you need. 748 00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,320 That is pretty sage advice for someone who's still in their 749 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:00,960 20s. I think that's amazing. 750 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,000 Which fashion trend would you most like to see make a 751 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,040 comeback? Love to see the 50s sort of 752 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,000 rockabilly kind of comeback because it's just so fun and 753 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:10,480 colorful. Joyful. 754 00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:14,120 Yeah, joyful. Which fashion or beauty trend 755 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:18,640 would you consign to Room 101? I find it really hard to just 756 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:24,400 throw a whole trend away because my, my jam might not be somebody 757 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,400 else's and somebody might really be into something. 758 00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,480 So I'm actually going to say I I would never throw any trend away 759 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,560 because even though it might not be my trend, it might be 760 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,280 something that I can take aspects from. 761 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,320 Good answer. Your last impulse buy? 762 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:42,800 Oh, I bought a rather nice coat. Views on tattoos. 763 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,000 I love them, love them. High end or High Street? 764 00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:48,640 Bit of both. Bling or bear? 765 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,480 Bling. Minimalism or maximalism? 766 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,760 Maximalism all the way. She says loudly. 767 00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:58,360 Crocs cute or puke? No. 768 00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:02,240 Birkenstocks or boots? Boots sports likes or rock 769 00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:05,280 chick? Rock chick, Trend or style? 770 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,600 Style. Color or monochrome? 771 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:12,320 Color, experimental or uniform? Experimental, Very experimental. 772 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:16,080 Hoarder or editor? Oh, I'm a bit of both. 773 00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,080 More hoarder, I think. I I'd like to not admit. 774 00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,920 I think so. Beanie or Berry? 775 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:27,040 Beret. And finally, one last question, 776 00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,440 the end of the day, what do you or don't you wear in bed? 777 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:32,920 Oh, what do I don't. I wear in bed. 778 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,640 I don't wear anything. It's more comfortable. 779 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:43,520 Perfectly fine. Serenity, thank you so much for 780 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,760 coming and making the journey here today. 781 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,120 It's been a fascinating conversation and I, I think it's 782 00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:54,600 been amazing that you have been so open with your, with your 783 00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,440 answers. It's been really a wonderful 784 00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:58,600 journey for me. Thank you. 785 00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,760 It's been an absolute pleasure. Thank you for having me. 786 00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:08,120 And if I could turn the tables and ask you to ask me one style 787 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,120 DNA question, what would that be? 788 00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:14,440 OK, so with me being a student and studying textiles, if there 789 00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:18,080 was one piece of industry advice you could give to somebody who's 790 00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,320 just starting out in the industry, just starting out with 791 00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,360 their degree, what advice would you give? 792 00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:29,960 I would say understand the industry as well as you possibly 793 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:36,080 can go and do as many internships, just just absorb as 794 00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:39,800 much information. And then the other thing I would 795 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:44,400 say is you don't have to have your own business or you don't 796 00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:51,080 have to be the designer to be a very credible part of the 797 00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,560 industry. There are so many careers within 798 00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:57,720 the industry. It it you don't have to be the 799 00:41:57,720 --> 00:42:03,440 founder the the designer to to have a really fulfilling life 800 00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,560 within the industry. Yeah, because I mean, from 801 00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,920 outside the industry, there's a lot of sort of like implication 802 00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,320 almost that if you go into fashion, you need to be this 803 00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,680 roommate designer and all of this, because that's what that's 804 00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:15,800 what most of the media exposes people to. 805 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,280 So it's quite refreshing to hear that even if I didn't follow my 806 00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:24,400 brand, I can still be a very credible part of the industry. 807 00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:29,440 There are tons of amazing careers within the industry and 808 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:35,040 it's a it's a brutal industry. It's a really complex, hard 809 00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:39,800 industry. So go and get as much knowledge 810 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,920 and experience as you possibly can and enjoy it and if it 811 00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:47,000 doesn't feel great then move on to the next job. 812 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,440 Yeah, absolutely. I hope that helps. 813 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:51,360 You did. Thank you. 814 00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,240 Great, great. Well, thank you so much.