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Today I'm going on a style 
journey with the businesswoman, 

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broadcaster and activist, also 
known as Mary Queen of Shops, 

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the extraordinary Mary Portis 
OBE. 

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Hello and welcome, Mary. 
Oh, it's so lovely to be here. 

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God, I can't remember when we 
last saw each other. 

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I was trying to remember, but I 
have to say, I spent last 

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weekend with your dulcet tones 
in my ears because I was 

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listening to you. 
I shop, therefore I am and Oh my

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God, it took me right back to 
the early days of the label and 

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wow, I mean, why now and why 
this book? 

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You know, I have a thing and, 
and it's interesting because 

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you're saying that you, you, 
you're writing your book, that I

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think there's a time where books
come to you. 

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And I just, and for whatever 
reason, I got asked to write my 

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second memoir and I just didn't 
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I don't know why, but I 
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remember, there was a brilliant 
exhibition that was on at South 

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Kensington at the Design centre 
called Rebel. 

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And it was 30 years of new Gen. 
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Harvey Nicks. 
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I hadn't seen them in years, but
we went, oh, let's go down 

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memory lane. 
And Amanda, it's one of those 

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times where you just go, wow, we
did this. 

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That's what we were doing in the
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And I remember getting home 
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dinner with them just going, did
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You know, did we? 
Because there's a lot of that in

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there. 
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that's just can we really tell 
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Oh my gosh, this is a book, this
is ATV series that just wouldn't

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leave my and so I just called my
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that I've got the book and I 
think it's the Harvey next 

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year's and she said let's do 
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Brilliant. 
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isn't it? 
Really brilliantly. 

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And you're on this massive 
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I am, I am. 
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exhausting and part exhilarating
because you, you turn up to 

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places, you travel the country, 
which is also just 

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extraordinary. 
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types of people who of, of 
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country from South to Scotland 
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But actually at the heart of it 
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time. 
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I got asked it the other day, 
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return to 90s? 
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last time before the digital 
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interaction, physically 
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You know, when you were selling 
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team, you'd be in there, I'd 
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we were going to do to promote 
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It was a very physical, I think 
it was the last time of that 

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real physical way of working and
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Totally. 
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I didn't, I didn't think so. 
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way everybody goes back with 
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seen the revival of the 70s, 
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80s, but this is more than just 
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trends of what we were wearing 
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It's kind of a return to 
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I don't think so. 
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I mean. 
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moniker, Mary Queen of shops. 
And I just wondered what Europe,

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what you are most excited about 
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Because it's a really tricky 
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and I think we're going through 
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and transition periods take a 
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with people going ah, ah, this 
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I think what we're going through
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call where there's there's 
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of how we want to live. 
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economically, I think people are
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What what is real value? 
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mean cheap. 
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that's done to our planet and we
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sort of consumerist model which 
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In fact it's done the opposite. 
So I think we've got a real wake

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up call on that and I think 
we've got a wake up call on what

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businesses do I want to buy 
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And I think there's a values 
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questioning of value. 
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out is a kind of a new, a new 
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And within that new territory, 
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innovation that I don't think we
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heightened consumer years. 
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And that excites me. 
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And it's going to be slower and 
it's going to be smaller, but 

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it's actually more interesting. 
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lot that's broken about the 
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And you know, I, I just wondered
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luxury goods houses, because 
that is monsters and the prices 

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seem to be going up, up, up and 
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Yeah, but this is what's 
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different sectors. 
But I think what what they and I

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don't think again without. 
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some seriously clever people 
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luxury business. 
So I wouldn't want to be sitting

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here going, well, this is what 
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But I think, I think when you've
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successful for so many years and
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rather than sometimes 
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to move away from that. 
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known. 
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we've seen in the luxury world 
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king, right? 
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and you get your story right, 
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The brand, it's been king for a 
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And therefore you just mark up 
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exclusive and you go more a more
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That's no longer the game. 
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the luxury houses. 
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themselves. 
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got this huge luxury operations,
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happens in business and dare I 
say it is the caretakers and the

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pirates who got you there in the
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the side while the caretakers 
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And actually what we need now is
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there that just shake this up 
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And I think they're slowly 
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Jonathan Anderson at Luefe. 
He's just, you know, the guy is 

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a cultural, just a zeitgeist 
wonderful who was allowed to 

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absolutely create a sensibility 
to a brand that was so right for

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now. 
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really get back to these 
creative visionaries being at 

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the heart of these businesses 
and giving risk to. 

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Yeah. 
I mean, we've just been on this 

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giant move around, haven't we, 
of creative directors in the in 

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the luxury goods houses. 
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Jonathan Anderson. 
Anyone else that really stood 

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out to you or is standing out to
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creative? 
Tell you what I'm interested in 

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at the moment, I don't know, My.
My quiet obsession is watching 

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what Gap's going to do 
Interesting. 

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Yeah, I tell you, with Zac Posen
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that they've start, they've 
taken what was so sexy in the 

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90s. 
Have you looked at some of their

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campaigns where they've got the 
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they've mixed it with just the 
the music scene of this sort of 

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cultural youth of today. 
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while still being, yes, that's 
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And I'm interested that the ex, 
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in. 
I think that's just incredible. 

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What that says to me is we're 
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create joy and branding. 
That's that's connected to where

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we want to feel in our hearts, 
just just free and joyful in a 

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time when the world's quite a 
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Yes, with quite sort of basic 
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Yeah, because I think I, I was 
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thinking how will they 
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Uniqlo, which is just nailing it
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nailing it isn't. 
It Claire Wheat Keller in there.

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Ohh, genius move. 
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How are they going to do that? 
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still that kind of very loose, 
fabulous LA feel that isn't unit

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low, you know, but that has that
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And I think that's played well. 
They should play on. 

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Look at me, I'm I'm, I'm 
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Well, I love it. 
I've always loved that business.

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I always thought of under Mickey
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It's one of my favourites. 
And I just used to love the sort

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of freedom and lightness. 
We all had it in our wardrobe. 

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Yeah, but you're so right. 
It is those words, freedom and 

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lightness, doesn't it? 
It's just that the perfect white

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T-shirt. 
You know my obsession now, Back 

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in the day, you created a 
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yes? 
It did. 

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Targeting the needs of the 40 
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how you feel that the needs of 
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being addressed today? 
Oh, look, I think we've woken up

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to the fact that that's where 
the money is, Amanda. 

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I mean, you knew that, you know 
that that's what we knew that 

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the money is with women who have
a disposable income and have a 

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confidence as well. 
You know, even when I get back 

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to my Harvey Nichols days, you 
know, it doesn't matter how out 

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there or how crazy that the 
ideas that we put into the the 

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world our market were women who 
came in at that time and spent 

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the most on Max Maher and Nicol 
Farhi and Joseph. 

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It was not the youth that was 
spending that sort of money. 

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That doesn't mean that you don't
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I'm always sort of, I always 
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happening? 
You know, if a question comes to

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me and what I couldn't 
understand then and it sounds 

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it's crazy now because people do
market to that age group is I 

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couldn't even find a model that 
that was that still on the books

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of the model agencies that was 
over 40. 

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And now that's. 
Completely changed and now 

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that's completely changed and 
you've got incredible campaigns.

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You know, I was looking at I 
love, you know, some of the 

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Celine campaigns and when they 
put in Maggie Smith or you had 

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it was just like crazy fabulous,
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And the response, it was great. 
You didn't even have to go that 

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older, you know, you didn't have
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just wasn't happening then. 
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age to be totally and and why, 
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with youth, because I still 
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You see a young girl in a sort 
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off her backside in a tiny 
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It looks great on that body, 
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can wear style with confidence 
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And we just weren't showing it. 
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because I often come up with 
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shows and why doesn't let's 
let's see if this would work. 

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Follow me doing this. 
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opening. 
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the amount of women that just 
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can talk to me about my body and
my image and actually not feel I

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have to, you know, slip into a 
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It was just really eye opening 
and profitable. 

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Good. 
Good, good. 

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What is your opinion of the sort
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fashion? 
Look, you know, I think the, 

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the, the always the case with 
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fashion, I mean, there's some 
great, you know, little brands 

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that are out there that I just 
think, wow, you know, and I 

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always think, and what I look 
back when I wrote this book and 

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started to look at the British 
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of just set up then, you know, I
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I was like, they, they were 
really early doors. 

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How far we've come and how 
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celebratory it's become and 
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so I think we've come such a far
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digital world, you know, I'm 
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who are able to sell 
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than you'll remember, you know, 
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And I still think there's that 
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don't want to say the word 
quirky to this, but there's 

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still that the feeling of that 
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Britishness in how we approach 
stuff. 

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You know, I've just opening up a
market. 

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I've just got MasterCard to come
in and support doing a market 

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for small British designers, not
just fashion but innovation 

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across all of. 
Of retail Brilliant. 

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And where is that? 
There's one I'm putting in, one 

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I'm opening up in Manchester and
the other one is in the Truman 

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Brewery in London, which is next
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15. 
I've got inundated by so many 

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innovative, great businesses 
that just made me smile in my 

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heart that, you know, we are in 
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back out of this change that I 
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And actually at the heart of the
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us into a great place is 
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And there's so much out there. 
And, and those are just for the 

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weekend or. 
Yeah, I'm doing it just for a 

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weekend, 3 days and 15 different
businesses in each. 

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Yeah. 
Oh. 

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Amazing. 
And did they have to apply? 

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Yeah, they want to apply those 
hundreds. 

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It's very difficult. 
So there's different mix of 

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interiors, homewers, fashion and
ones I loved on the fashion were

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not just selling vintage, but 
repurposing clothes and just 

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making them so interesting. 
There's just, you can see 

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people, you know, when you're up
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ideas come. 
Where do I go from here? 

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You know, we all have that in 
COVID. 

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Where where do I go? 
Oh my God, that that world's 

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changed out there. 
How do I innovate? 

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So yes. 
And out of that, that vibe comes

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creativity, doesn't it? 
There's a lovely little British 

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Frankel Tove that I'm loving at 
the moment. 

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You know, they're gorgeous, 
gorgeous. 

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And I was talking to them, Cam, 
who owns that, and they're going

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doing well in the States. 
Very beautiful. 

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Very beautiful. 
Yeah. 

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There's some great stuff I hope.
You're documenting that. 

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I hope someone's following you 
with a camera the whole way. 

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Round this course, yeah. 
And I just got a note from 

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government says Secretary of 
State's going to come turn up 

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because I'm like, listen, you 
know when when you go on about 

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the high streets, we need to 
give tax breaks to people 

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because the innovation and 
creativity is here. 

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They want it in the physical 
space. 

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People are craving physical 
interaction. 

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Let's put the two together. 
You know, it's even like me 

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being on the road. 
I was listening to Richard 

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Osmond. 
He said he was on his book tour,

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and he said, you know, we were 
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digital was and being on social 
media to get your book out. 

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They said, actually, what really
works is you go out, you go on a

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stage, you meet people and they 
want to come and they want to 

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talk and they want to hear the 
stories. 

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And that, I think, has really 
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I think we are realizing that 
we're neurobiologically wired to

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connect. 
As human beings, yes. 

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And beings, even us, you said, 
no, I don't do a podcast. 

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I want to sit together. 
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And then, you know, the 
conversations that eke out the 

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connection. 
Oh, my gosh, you're here. 

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The physicality, understanding 
where your world is now, where I

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am. 
Yeah. 

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It goes bigger. 
It goes wider. 

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Yeah, you know, yeah. 
I mean, it's fascinating the 

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journey that you have been on 
and are still on. 

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I love the way that you just 
have chapter after chapter after

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chapter, and I think it's so 
inspiring. 

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Now today we're going on your 
personal style journey, so let's

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start with what you're wearing. 
Can you talk me through it? 

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I'm wearing this jumpsuit that 
I've become quietly obsessed 

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with this little brand because 
it is my oh gosh, I'm going to 

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get up and I, I could either be 
going to the shops or I could be

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coming and sitting with Amanda 
Wakeley, or I could be on stage 

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doing a talk. 
And it's by Wilding WYLDING. 

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And I have a, I'm lucky enough 
to have a second home in Stroud 

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in Gloucestershire. 
And it's a very kind of arty, 

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creative community. 
And actually totally, I'll tell 

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you. 
I'll tell you how I discovered 

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this, because I found this 
architect who I worked with at 

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Harvey Nichols, who did some 
work with me at Harvey Nichols, 

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Richard found. 
And I had bumped into him at a 

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friend's birthday party, hadn't 
seen him in years. 

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And he said to me, oh, comfort, 
comfort. 

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I have a house near where you've
bought, you know. 

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So I said, OK, OK, well, it took
us ages to get together at 

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night. 
And he sent me a notice that, 

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Mary, we've got to put this date
in the diary. 

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And it was very casual, sort of 
Saturday afternoon. 

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He said, come to my house. 
And so I, I remember it's 

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beautiful summer and I dressed 
so casually. 

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I was being in the garden and I 
just picked some lovely Arabella

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big flowers and I took them 
around. 

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I've made some apple juice. 
This is my other love. 

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Well, I sent them off to be 
pressed and, and I thought I'll 

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bring around a bottle of apple 
juice to Rich's house. 

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And I turn up and he's got all 
the Gloucestershire fashion 

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press Plum Sykes is in there. 
Yeah, I thought it was going to 

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be Cash, Cash Plum and her 
husband. 

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And they were, you know, Divine 
who'd got. 

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They were all those wonderful 
catered drinks and I'd come in 

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with my flowers and the apple 
juice. 

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Wearing What were you wearing? 
I think an old pair of sort of 

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really old Levi's I think I was 
wearing in a white shirt, which 

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I love and you'd love love, but 
it was but I've gone in with 

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that. 
Oh, I'm just having supper with 

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them round and it it was all the
old fashioned crew won the X 

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Vogue stylist and her husband 
and Jamie Dornan, the actor, but

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with his wife who created this 
collection. 

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And but she was telling me about
this collection. 

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She was lovely, really lovely. 
And she came from the same part 

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of Ireland that my parents had 
come from. 

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So we I ended up chatting to him
and anyway, I I then saw someone

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in it and I was like, is that 
the Wilding jumpsuit? 

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And I had to wait because they 
were they create it in the UK 

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and I just love it and because 
what it is look. 

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It looks quite. 
Technical, isn't it? 

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It's technical because you can 
go swimming. 

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It's really about Wilding. 
So instead of those big coats 

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that everybody walks around 
after a swim, you come out. 

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So it's got the lovely orange 
fleece inside and I've got one 

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in the chocolate brand and pale 
blue, turquoisey blue. 

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And it's you can dress it up or 
dress it down. 

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And every time I wear it, people
go Where's that from? 

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Yeah, I love it because it's one
I'm done dressing. 

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It's one and done. 
Is that obviously? 

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Love a bit of 1 and done your 
brooch. 

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Oh yes, sorry. 
I, I listen, I have hardly 

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wonder. 
We say, this was given to me by 

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my friend Sako Zinabev, who's a 
writer. 

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And we go to this lovely Ireland
and Pat, I've just said it, I 

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shouldn't have said Pat Moss in 
Greece, which quite a few 

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fashion people go to. 
And I met her there years ago 

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and she's a writer, brilliant 
writer, and she's written some 

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incredible books. 
And her book was at the same 

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time as mine. 
And she just sent me this for 

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good luck thing. 
And it's the beautiful Greek Oh.

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Isn't it? 
Yes. 

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And have you kept that on just 
during your? 

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I've just kept on from my book 
tour and I've got her energy 

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there and she's just a 
wonderful. 

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Person love that, love that and 
the boots. 

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Chloe. 
Old Chloe, I love them because 

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they've got these. 
They've. 

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Got a? 
Stocking them and then they just

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look so casual but also can be 
really cute and smart and 

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they're really comfortable and 
the older they get more soft 

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they get. 
The better they are. 

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Yeah, glasses. 
Well, you know, you get to the 

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age where you need the glasses 
and I'm very lucky. 

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I actually have 2020 visions. 
I have very good vision, but my 

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reading and seeing clothes is 
not great. 

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So this is a little company that
just I, because I, I sent them 

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to me called Good Lookers and 
they're pretty cheap and I have 

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every colour possible and on 
every floor of the house and 

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whatever every room you go into 
is a pair of my glasses because 

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I can't bear if I can't read 
something straight away and I 

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don't want them hanging on a 
chain. 

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Oh no, But you're OK with them 
when you're not reading? 

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Because. 
I I put mine on just for 

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reading. 
Yeah. 

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No, no, no. 
I need mine just a little bit 

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more than that, yeah. 
Well, they look great. 

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They look great now. 
You grew up where Watford, 

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Watford and you were one of 
five. 

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And do you remember, was your 
mother very stylish? 

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Oh, listen, we didn't have much 
at all. 

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But my mother was very much the 
classics. 

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And she and my mother and my 
father, look, you know, we came 

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from very little. 
But my father and my mother 

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would twice a year go and get 
their wardrobe. 

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And my father would be Austin 
Reed, which there was an Austin 

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Reed at the top of the town. 
And he would get, you know, he 

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really, I never saw him ever 
casually. 

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He was always smartly dressed in
great blazes and trousers. 

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And my mother was much the same.
He was a sales manager for 

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Brooke Bond Tea. 
Yeah. 

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It was really funny. 
We were talking about, I was 

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talking to Lulu Guinness, who 
lives near me. 

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And we were laughing because 
both of our mothers, even though

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our friend's parents went into 
that sort of 60s style when we 

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were younger, our parents 
didn't. 

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And they stayed in that sort of 
quite Tweedy, classic 50s, late 

447
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:04,320
50s polite. 
And so you, I never saw my 

448
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,720
mother in any of that gear. 
And it sort of made them feel 

449
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,280
older. 
They weren't wearing the 

450
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,080
swinging 60s stuff. 
So I never saw any of that in 

451
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,280
the wardrobe. 
And actually had, you know, I 

452
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,760
was thinking about this, which 
would have been, I went to 

453
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,240
someone's house whose, whose 
grandmother had died and there 

454
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,440
was just one small wardrobe. 
And we were saying, Can you 

455
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,880
imagine? 
But that's what my mother had. 

456
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,320
She had her one lovely wardrobe 
and my father had his. 

457
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,120
And they looked after it and 
they. 

458
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:36,400
Looked after it and great shoes 
and there was just a classic. 

459
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:40,040
They enjoyed clothes. 
All my family do, all my all my 

460
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:44,760
siblings, it's been part of our 
identity for sure. 

461
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:46,680
You know, expressing ourselves 
to clothes. 

462
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,200
But my brothers are the same. 
My sister's the same. 

463
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:53,680
My brothers particularly by 
beautiful, great classic pieces.

464
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:58,280
But do you remember that first 
time that you put something on 

465
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:03,320
and it felt really good? 
Or maybe not Amanda, I tell this

466
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:07,800
story every time I'm on stage 
when people say can we ever get 

467
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:13,120
people to buy, recycle, upcycle?
When I was a child, one of five,

468
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:17,680
the excitement came when my 
Auntie Cathy came round with a 

469
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,440
bin liner of clothes or my 
cousin Caroline's clothes. 

470
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:22,720
She was very thin. 
I was very thin. 

471
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,200
My sister was slim, but not as 
thin as me. 

472
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:31,080
And I the excitement and I. 
Shopping in a bin bag, Heather. 

473
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,440
Opened up now. 
I will never forget this. 

474
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:38,680
There was a purple pair of 
knitted flares and they just sat

475
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:42,640
on my little hips. 
I would have been, what, 12, you

476
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:46,240
know, And I had the cheesecloth 
T-shirt. 

477
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:50,560
The excitement of putting that 
on and knowing at that age that 

478
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:54,240
was kind of my look. 
I mean, I, my first big buy was 

479
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:59,320
a jumpsuit from Miss Selfridges,
bright red with shell written on

480
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,600
the back promoting shell 
garrages. 

481
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,640
And it was just like, you know, 
meant to be a sort of boiler 

482
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:10,000
suit that, And I just knew that 
that that sort of that 

483
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:13,840
silhouette was more the less the
peace, but more that that was my

484
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,840
silhouette, that whole look of 
that sort of 70s and slim. 

485
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,480
And that was, and then my mother
bought me my very first pair of 

486
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:27,240
Oxford bags, 3 buttoned button, 
big baggy trouser, you know, and

487
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,360
I looked at the other day, 
someone sent me a Jackie 

488
00:26:30,360 --> 00:26:33,120
magazine cover, my sister. 
But that was you. 

489
00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:36,920
And there was this girl on a 
chopper bike which I had with 

490
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,520
her denim jeans tucked into 
bright coloured socks. 

491
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:46,000
So for me, that was my identity.
And at the time it was, you 

492
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,120
know, Bowlin and Bowie and that 
that sort of, you know, you 

493
00:26:49,120 --> 00:26:50,760
didn't know where they're male 
or female. 

494
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:54,920
They dressed in that glam rock 
way and that that was my just 

495
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:56,440
joy. 
And still, and still to this 

496
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,080
day, if I put on something like 
that, I've got one of those 

497
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,640
great Gucci green suits. 
I put it on and I'm back there. 

498
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,200
Love it, I love it. 
Understated. 

499
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,040
Not. 
And did you wear a school 

500
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,040
uniform? 
Yeah, maroon and a boater. 

501
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:11,960
I mean, we went to a convent, 
literally. 

502
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:16,600
Outdoor uniform indoor shoes, 
boater for the summer. 

503
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:21,280
And has the has the colour 
maroon been good, bad or 

504
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,320
indifferent? 
For you, as a result, I, I, I 

505
00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:25,520
really did enjoy school. 
I had you know, I liked my 

506
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,040
school. 
It was a small 300 girls school 

507
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:31,120
and in a convent actually really
sweetly. 

508
00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:33,360
I was doing one of my book 
towards the other day and I just

509
00:27:33,360 --> 00:27:35,360
looked in the front row. 
Eight of them had just turned up

510
00:27:35,360 --> 00:27:37,000
from school and was sitting in 
the front row. 

511
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:38,080
How cute. 
Is that? 

512
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,840
Oh my God, How? 
How lovely. 

513
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:45,360
Now you went on to your first 
job at Harrods. 

514
00:27:45,360 --> 00:27:47,320
Yeah. 
Do you remember what you wore 

515
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,080
for that first day? 
I know what I wore for the 

516
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:51,680
interview. 
Oh, tell me. 

517
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,720
Well, I I thought. 
Because you were interviewing 

518
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:58,120
for being. 
Display Assistant, Display 

519
00:27:58,120 --> 00:28:00,080
assistant. 
So to get onto the display team,

520
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:04,040
which was I think that was about
like 2530, it was extraordinary.

521
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:08,040
You know, you had this team of 
front stylists from the front 

522
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,160
windows, which was the premium, 
you know, then you've got the 

523
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,320
back windows team, then the side
windows team. 

524
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:13,520
Actually, it must be more than 
that. 

525
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:14,800
The men's, they were the men's 
wear. 

526
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,000
Then there was the weigh in. 
Then there was the ground floor 

527
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:18,560
beauty team. 
You know, it was like 

528
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,440
incredible. 
But I went for the interview and

529
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:27,000
I turned up to my sister who was
training at UCH and she she at 

530
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,400
her little flat and she dressed 
me in a black pencil skirt 

531
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,960
because I had to look 
professional and and and a white

532
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:38,080
shirt, a little fitted white 
shirt that I just turned the arm

533
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:39,880
up on, which always still looks 
so great. 

534
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,280
So I wore that's going to be but
my first day. 

535
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:47,400
Listen, I was scrappy, lowly 
little window dressing assistant

536
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,400
and I had an Andrew Wiles. 
I don't know if you remember 

537
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,320
Andrew Wiles, who end up being 
the marketing director. 

538
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,840
Gorgeous man, and he still 
remembers me turning up in a 

539
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:02,000
blue pinstripe dungarees with 
kicker boots. 

540
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:06,720
Red kicker boots on so that. 
And so did the dungarees become 

541
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,200
a bit of a a uniform for the 
window dressing. 

542
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:10,880
Yeah, you didn't. 
They wore them as you were 

543
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,560
practical and you're scrapping 
on your knees and then it's sort

544
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,200
of, you know, don't forget it's 
a sort of just post pump. 

545
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:21,440
You're talking about 1980, you 
know, So it was still that. 

546
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,880
You know, my friend was just 
completely obsessed by Susie and

547
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,680
the Banshees and she dressed 
like that, literally had these 

548
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,560
crazy little leather trousers on
and mad make up. 

549
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,280
Very, very expressive time. 
But I was very much the dungaree

550
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,840
girl. 
So then Top Shop, Top Shop and 

551
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:38,480
this. 
Is where the difference because 

552
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,640
I I often talk so Topshop 
display manager. 

553
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,880
I was 25, and it was 
extraordinary time. 

554
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:50,560
And it was the time of just, you
know, that store on Oxford 

555
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,520
Street where the music went on. 
You know, the DJs would turn up 

556
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,680
five DJs, you know, Can you 
imagine whatever? 

557
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:58,680
Can you imagine that you who's 
on today? 

558
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,600
And the DJs would come into 
little meetings to work out what

559
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,760
music they were playing, and I'd
be working out what we were 

560
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,000
putting in the windows and 
whatever. 

561
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:10,080
And so from Topshop I went to 
Harvey Nichols and I never 

562
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:15,400
forget I turned up looking like 
Cyndi Lauper and all the 

563
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,840
customers looked like Princess 
Di and those little Sloan 

564
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,720
Rangers. 
There was another era of Harvey 

565
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,920
Nicks, Harvey Nichols. 
Yeah. 

566
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,520
Harvey Nichols and some of the 
others called it Harvey's, 

567
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,200
didn't they? 
Harvey's. 

568
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,920
Oh, you've gone to Harvey's. 
But this was the Sloan Ranger 

569
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:35,800
time. 
People forget that was so 

570
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,480
powerful, and everyone talked 
like that. 

571
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,600
And they're little frilly 
collars and puzzles, Yes. 

572
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:45,360
And the Knightsbridge Knotted, 
which was a little knotted scarf

573
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:52,080
on the handbag and I'm coming in
like, whoa, whoa, hair colour. 

574
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,880
It was that fluorescent fashion 
time, ankle socks and that. 

575
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,400
And and this did you, You had 
red hair then? 

576
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,560
Yeah, but I died. 
I mean, I was dying at every 

577
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:01,960
colour. 
I think God knows what was 

578
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:03,320
happening there. 
It's amazing. 

579
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,320
You still have such a good. 
Hair, Hair. 

580
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:12,480
Oh my God. 
And so then, as your job became 

581
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:18,240
bigger and bigger, ending up on 
the board, how did your style 

582
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,800
evolve through? 
That two really key people that 

583
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,360
that really influenced myself 
one was the the buying director 

584
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:29,360
heard extraordinary style. 
She really did and she she wore 

585
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,680
she just wear wear much the same
bodies to the same height and I 

586
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,480
just loved everything about her 
style. 

587
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,200
I mean, she obviously, you know,
she was in the powerful position

588
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,040
because in those days, and 
you'll know this, the bind 

589
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,080
director decided whether your 
collections came into the store 

590
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:44,640
and you know, I. 
Remember. 

591
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:50,560
Powerful and you know, she 
really had an incredible eye. 

592
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,240
And so I think she was one, I 
just used to watch her style and

593
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:59,400
but the other was Anna Harvey, 
who was the deputy. 

594
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,480
I loved this woman. 
And she was part scary, part 

595
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:07,440
soulful, beautiful woman, 
maternal, maternal. 

596
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,360
And she and it was at the time 
when I was doing these crazy 

597
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:16,720
windows and Vogue said we'd like
to write a piece for Spy page 

598
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,640
about you. 
And I'd had lunch with Anna 

599
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:24,800
Harvey and she was just just 
guiding me in the most beautiful

600
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:29,160
way on how to be, I guess, you 
know, and done with real love 

601
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,040
and affection. 
And, you know, I've met some 

602
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,480
very people often talk about 
women in business. 

603
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,160
You know, they can be quite 
combative. 

604
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,000
And there are, of course, it's 
combative at everything. 

605
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,120
But I met a lot of great women 
who were, you know, like, just 

606
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,040
like love the fact that this 
young girl and and help me along

607
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,720
the way. 
And but on the day that I was 

608
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:51,080
being starred, Izzy Blow turns 
up and and I'm like. 

609
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:55,920
Can we just explain who Izzy Blo
was for for those that may not 

610
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,520
know? 
So Isabella Blo was a stylist. 

611
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:03,520
I don't know what her exact 
title was for Vogue, but she was

612
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,600
crazy, man. 
She was bohemian. 

613
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:11,680
She was eccentric. 
She was old, old English. 

614
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,960
Well, actually her house, she 
had her family house, but where 

615
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:22,120
I had my house in Stroud 
artistic, she dressed like I I 

616
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,000
can only it was that you 
couldn't express the dress. 

617
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,840
But she mismatched and crazy. 
I mean, I think it was 

618
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:32,120
Larkerfeld who spotted her once 
and said who is this woman when 

619
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:36,000
she had one Manolo Blahnik in a 
red shoe on and the other was 

620
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:40,040
blue. 
But that was totally purposeful.

621
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:45,760
Her lipstick was this bright red
that was often on her teeth and 

622
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:46,280
she didn't. 
Care. 

623
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,760
It was often everywhere, was it?
Eye make up. 

624
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,560
She was cute and she was like a 
little sort of puppy, crazy 

625
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,400
little puppy as well. 
There was this, there was a 

626
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,000
sadness about her, there was a 
madness about her and she was 

627
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,160
Philip Tracy. 
She wore Philip Tracy hats 

628
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,200
constantly indoors, outdoors, in
bed probably. 

629
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,360
God knows, but she, she 
discovered the queen. 

630
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,400
Really, she was the one who 
discovered Lee McQueen. 

631
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,239
And she was extraordinary. 
So she turned up. 

632
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,719
But what had happened before is 
that Anna Harvey had given me 

633
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,360
sort of really key looks on what
she thought would suit me and 

634
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:22,159
what I needed to buy. 
One of which, well, one was what

635
00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:25,880
she called Les Smoking, which 
was Celeron's dinner suit. 

636
00:34:26,639 --> 00:34:29,400
I was like, wow. 
And I looked at the price and 

637
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,080
nearly died. 
And then I waited for the sale 

638
00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:34,840
and put my discount on it and 
bought, bought the suit. 

639
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,880
I still work today. 
If I was doing an afternoon 

640
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:40,320
speech and I, every time I put 
it on, I think about it. 

641
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,760
And she just told me which white
shirt to get. 

642
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,120
And at the time it was, you 
know, Izzy Miyaki was very big 

643
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,120
and the Japanese designers and 
the carpet. 

644
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:52,760
And so I and, and, and the other
one who I really loved, which 

645
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,719
really, really suited me was 
Claude Montano. 

646
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,760
And I had so I bought again with
my little discounts. 

647
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:04,400
I bought these classic pieces 
was this beautiful Claude 

648
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:09,280
Montana sleeveless pink gilet 
jacket that went long with the 

649
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,400
Donna Karan body roll make 
underneath. 

650
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:12,880
I just look going to be 
photographed and have my hair 

651
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,960
very short. 
Izzy turns up with a rail of 

652
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:20,920
clothes that looked like looked 
like she just stopped off at 

653
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:26,320
some theatre for Madam Twinkie 
or Widow Twinkie and and and 

654
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,720
wanted me to be this crazy 
person in the windows. 

655
00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:31,880
But I wasn't that. 
I was now taking my style tips 

656
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,520
from the Bind director and Anna 
Harvey and it's just like, no, 

657
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:36,880
no, no, we've got to have you 
crazy. 

658
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:38,880
I said no, I'm not the mannequin
in the window, is he? 

659
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,800
And I never forget. 
That and so were you an 

660
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,040
ultimately photographed in the 
Claude Montana. 

661
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,320
Or no, Claude Montana, of 
course, of course, you know, I 

662
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,800
I'm photographed in the Claude 
Montana and made the windows, 

663
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,600
the craziness and I was just 
standing there in the that 

664
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,760
little outfit. 
But yeah, that those years 

665
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,840
really taught me, you know, and 
all you designers coming in and,

666
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:01,440
you know, we were all that age 
of, you know, just in our late 

667
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,840
20s and 30s. 
And it was just a time where 

668
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,560
beautiful collections where I 
just was like, wow in heaven. 

669
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:10,080
You know, I enjoyed every part 
of it. 

670
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:11,760
But yes, I think the inspiration
was. 

671
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,400
And also don't forget the 
catwalk shows we'd go to. 

672
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,520
You know, people often ask me, 
well, how do you do? 

673
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,560
You know, how do you style 
yourself? 

674
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:22,560
Sometimes I just thought, well, 
we saw such beautiful ways of 

675
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:27,840
expressing fashion tangentially,
creatively layered out there. 

676
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,000
It sort of gave you a confidence
to be there as well. 

677
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,840
Yeah, I mean, you had to attend 
a lot of shows with Harvey 

678
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,480
Nichols, didn't you? 
Do you remember how you 

679
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:41,800
approached your show season 
wardrobe or your packing and all

680
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:42,560
of that? 
Yes, it was. 

681
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:44,240
It was an art form. 
Yeah. 

682
00:36:44,240 --> 00:36:47,200
Actually, I was thinking about 
this the other day because you 

683
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,880
know, and also, you know, the 
buying director would say we're 

684
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,640
going to Calvin or we're going 
to, you know, Dolce, you need to

685
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:57,240
be wearing that because you'd 
have the meetings with them 

686
00:36:57,240 --> 00:36:59,080
afterwards. 
There's no way you were going to

687
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,000
be wandering in and you know, 
you know Mosquino. 

688
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,040
So how did that work? 
Well, I think we were lucky 

689
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,360
enough that we got decent 
discounts because I would not 

690
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,000
have been able to afford it 
anywhere near enough. 

691
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:15,560
And so you and also I liked so 
much of the stuff that we were 

692
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,600
buying. 
So I would be mixing that. 

693
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:21,320
But you would know which shows 
you're going to and what to be 

694
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,680
putting on. 
And then you'd meet all the 

695
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,720
press who were sort of doing the
same. 

696
00:37:25,720 --> 00:37:29,720
So it was the front row buying 
teams which were us and then 

697
00:37:29,720 --> 00:37:31,680
the, you know, the press on the 
other side. 

698
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:33,920
It was just you got to know 
everybody. 

699
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,000
You'd be the same place, the 
same restaurant. 

700
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,720
So something very wonderful and 
unifying about that, you know. 

701
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:44,000
And I mean, I think for us in 
the fashion industry, we can be 

702
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,240
a little bit guilty about sizing
people up on what they are 

703
00:37:47,240 --> 00:37:49,840
wearing. 
Is that something that you were 

704
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:51,920
conscious of? 
That I still do, Amanda. 

705
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,000
I think that's the question that
we're getting to there. 

706
00:37:55,440 --> 00:38:01,800
I sort of do though. 
I do, I do, I do I because I 

707
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:06,320
think it says a lot about people
and and I've come to forgive 

708
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:10,840
myself, as it were, because I 
think there is there was a time 

709
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:14,640
when, and it's not now It was, 
you know, if you were in the 

710
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,400
front row at the shows, you 
wanted to have the latest bag 

711
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,320
and the latest outfit and the 
press were in that and 

712
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,240
invariably, let's be honest, 
they had theirs got for free. 

713
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,360
Now that's the truth of it. 
Do you know they were getting 

714
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,240
stuff for free. 
You know, I was married to a 

715
00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:30,200
fashion journalist. 
I know, you know, like. 

716
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:34,000
Vast amounts. 
Vast amounts that were sent. 

717
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,920
So it was a lot easier to, to a 
certain extent. 

718
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,760
And there was a kind of snobbery
with that. 

719
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:42,480
There was and the stress that 
went with that. 

720
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:46,760
I think we'd be lying not to. 
But do I still look at people 

721
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:48,680
and judge? 
It's not so much a judging, but 

722
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:52,600
I can kind of tell where they, 
where they are, even when I'm 

723
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,240
travelling the country. 
And the audiences, you can feel,

724
00:38:55,240 --> 00:38:58,680
you know, really interesting. 
I was in, in Wales and they were

725
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,800
all dressed up so beautifully. 
You know, for this evening, it 

726
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:06,600
was it was really in, in 
Abergavenny, you know, all these

727
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,760
very beautiful polished women 
turned up for the event. 

728
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,000
You know, sometimes, you know, 
the other ones I'd be going bath

729
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,360
were much more relaxed and, you 
know, aunty. 

730
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:18,280
And so I think you can tell a 
lot from how people dress. 

731
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:22,000
And I and I think still to this 
day, if I see someone, I think, 

732
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,920
well, that's cool. 
There is an attraction there. 

733
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:28,200
You are attracted to. 
I, I do love great style, you 

734
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,840
know, even this morning for 
coming here, it's my daughter 

735
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,360
and her boyfriend was staying 
because it's his birthday and 

736
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,000
they're into their clothes. 
Not silly, but like, and he's 

737
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,560
particularly into it. 
And I, I love just sitting there

738
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,880
sharing his, you know, picking 
what pieces, you know, these 

739
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,200
Japanese designers that he's 
into. 

740
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,920
And I'm like, I loved his look, 
you know, and I love. 

741
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,600
And I thought, Oh yeah, I can 
see why my daughter's attracted 

742
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,320
to this boy, the way he dresses,
the way he starts himself. 

743
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,480
I think it's, I do, I think it 
says a lot about people, but not

744
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,520
I don't want to definitely be in
that snobbery, awful way that 

745
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,200
when we were on the road on the 
tours, which is sometimes really

746
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,640
quite tough. 
But I really tough, but so the 

747
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:12,960
planning of that did you did you
sort of literally do big try ONS

748
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,800
and work out? 
No, I've never been that because

749
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:19,600
I've kind of I got to the stage 
where I do know my stuff and I 

750
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,080
know what fits and those look, I
look at you today, you'll know 

751
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,280
what you can get up and put on. 
You just know it. 

752
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,200
That's years of knowing your 
body. 

753
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,880
So I did have that. 
But also, you know, the buying 

754
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,000
team will also really supportive
with swap things. 

755
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,200
And I was lucky. 
I was always been a sort of size

756
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,560
10, which was sample size then 
eight. 

757
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:40,280
Now you used to be able to get a
nice sample sale. 

758
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,760
I love to sample. 
Amanda loved a little sample 

759
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,320
sale. 
And now the size 6. 

760
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,480
I'll get out of. 
It, you know, I mean, it's just,

761
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,600
yeah, a bit scary, isn't it? 
It really is. 

762
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,720
You must have been photographed 
by some extraordinary 

763
00:40:54,720 --> 00:40:58,240
photographers. 
Were you ever taken out of your 

764
00:40:58,240 --> 00:41:01,800
stylistic comfort zone? 
Obviously not for the Vogue 

765
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,280
shoot, but was there ever a 
time? 

766
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:05,880
That's a really interesting 
story. 

767
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:11,520
That's a really interesting 
question because I think, yes, I

768
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,280
look back on somewhere I go, 
what was that in that? 

769
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:19,680
Or I've had photographers, 
interestingly the other way that

770
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:24,800
want to do a very particular 
style of photography. 

771
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,680
That's their style and was right
for that magazine. 

772
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:31,200
And I remember feeling limited 
in my body movements as well. 

773
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:35,960
And when you're limited in your 
body movements, I think that 

774
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,640
affects how you feel as well. 
So I've, I've definitely had 

775
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,400
that. 
I look back, I've got them 

776
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,640
because you, you get 
photographed an awful lot, 

777
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:46,600
especially when you do TV as 
well. 

778
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:50,040
And, and from, you know, 
interviews that I've done over 

779
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,440
the years and you go, where do I
put all these? 

780
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,240
And some of them are the most 
incredible. 

781
00:41:54,240 --> 00:41:57,160
You don't want to sound like the
little sort of crazy little 

782
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:00,440
egotistical tosser who's got 
loads of pictures of themselves 

783
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:01,000
around the. 
House. 

784
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,400
So what do you do with them? 
Well, I put them in my private 

785
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:07,520
bathroom and I quite love it. 
And it's just, they're quite 

786
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,520
joyous. 
You know, I really like Nadav 

787
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,320
can't afford to go and love 
Nadav's work. 

788
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:16,800
And, and I just, I put them in 
my, my bathroom and some up the 

789
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,520
top of the house because I 
they're just beautiful pieces. 

790
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:24,480
And maybe one day my kids will 
go, oh, I'll, I'll, I'll want 

791
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,040
that mum. 
But they don't. 

792
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,880
They just take for granted what 
you've done, you know, they take

793
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,000
for granted. 
And I, I'm sure they don't read 

794
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,800
my books or listen to heart. 
No, no, no, Amanda. 

795
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:36,760
I'm sure they don't. 
They will. 

796
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,000
One day they will. 
One day and that's what I think 

797
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,440
and and also like actually my 
daughter turned up to my talk 

798
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:42,920
last night. 
She was really very sweet, you 

799
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,480
know, but and. 
She thought to herself, I will 

800
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,720
actually read that book. 
Yeah, she probably thinks God, 

801
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:49,720
she's in it. 
No. 

802
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:53,000
Actually, I tell her to listen 
to it because I think the fact 

803
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,960
that you narrate it is just I, I
loved it. 

804
00:42:55,960 --> 00:43:00,120
It just took me on a a really 
nostalgic journey. 

805
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,120
Oh, I'm glad. 
You know when I turned up what 

806
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:06,560
was hilarious, I turned up to do
the recording and it's it's a 

807
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,240
lot of work when you're 
recording in a studio and I'm 

808
00:43:09,240 --> 00:43:13,120
not a trained actress, but I 
enjoy doing reading and I and I 

809
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:19,400
turned up to do my audio book 
and standing outside ready to go

810
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,040
in with a fag on was Joanna 
Lumley. 

811
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,960
Right now. 
I have not seen her since 

812
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:27,960
Sophie. 
She's the abs have one filmed in

813
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,560
Harvey. 
She there time string her with 

814
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:33,800
that gorgeous I'm doing mine 
recording. 

815
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:38,320
I'm doing mine. 
You're so good at mimicking 

816
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,080
voices. 
And she sat with it and then 

817
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,120
gave a quote for the book and 
just remembered the years. 

818
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,000
And we it was just like, just I 
thought, you know, when things 

819
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:47,720
come together, when you said to 
me, why this book? 

820
00:43:47,720 --> 00:43:51,000
Now there are times when energy 
just comes together. 

821
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:56,080
And there was. 
Joanna, how fabulous is that? 

822
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:00,120
Totally coming back to 
photographs for one second, what

823
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,920
what would you say is your 
favorite photograph of you of 

824
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,560
all times and can you describe 
it? 

825
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:14,680
Portrait. 
I think it's oh, there's some 

826
00:44:14,720 --> 00:44:17,240
fun things. 
I think there was a beautiful 

827
00:44:17,240 --> 00:44:19,760
that Naddaf Kanda did. 
I loved his stuff and he 

828
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:26,080
photographed me in an old shop 
that was empty and I had this 

829
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:30,920
really wonderful just it was a 
big white shirt on. 

830
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:35,000
I can't remember who designed it
and had this big, oh, it was a 

831
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:36,240
designer. 
I'll think of it. 

832
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,800
It was bright coloured face that
was on the shirt. 

833
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:41,480
And I thought I've worn the 
wrong thing here. 

834
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,360
You know, this is going to be 
difficult for him. 

835
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:48,040
And he was just remarkable. 
And he put me inside this shop 

836
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,320
and it had just an old light 
that was hanging down. 

837
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:54,680
And he made me just come up to 
the to the window and I just was

838
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:58,400
talking to him like this. 
And he went blow, blow and it 

839
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:02,200
just he just caught me in this 
wonderful, wonderful shoot. 

840
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:03,960
It is really actually a work of 
art. 

841
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:07,760
He's a he's an absolute artist. 
I absolutely adore that one. 

842
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:14,760
I really like that. 
And the others are so, you know,

843
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,480
I feel I've moved into a very 
different phase the, the the 

844
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,520
times of TV and my Bob. 
There was some extraordinary 

845
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:21,840
pictures in the guardian one 
day. 

846
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:27,960
It is the most beautiful 1 And I
had a lovely, I was wearing just

847
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:34,040
a very simple black dress, but I
put with it Roland Moray jacket 

848
00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:36,920
which had this big furry, if it 
wasn't furry, they were like 

849
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,120
feathery sleeves on it. 
And they just had me in a chair 

850
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:43,920
on the side and they got my Bob 
and there was this feathery 

851
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,040
sleeves and I had very little 
make up on it. 

852
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:50,000
Just captured who I I felt I was
at that time, you know? 

853
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:51,680
Yeah. 
I mean, you've had so many 

854
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:57,800
different personas, really. 
Do you have a sort of I'm a? 

855
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:01,800
Gem and Iron Man. 
Of course, of course there's 

856
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:03,800
Mary and Mary. 
And Mary? 

857
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:07,480
Which, Mary have we got? 
Mary, and there's other Mary's. 

858
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:14,600
But do you have a sort of work 
Mary persona and then a home 

859
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,000
Mary persona in terms of 
wardrobe? 

860
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:18,560
Do you know what's interesting 
on that? 

861
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,640
Yes, of course, to an extent. 
But I've also found them melting

862
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:27,360
into the same space now, which, 
which, you know, how many pairs 

863
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,920
of shoes have I got and boots 
that are high that I don't wear,

864
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,760
you know, and, and I found 
myself walking London rather 

865
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,840
than jumping in cabs. 
I found that it's really 

866
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:38,560
interesting. 
What am I thinking? 

867
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:42,280
Is that because we're thinking 
that's just crazy, you know, 

868
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:43,440
what it's doing to the 
environment? 

869
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:48,240
I don't know, maybe, maybe that.
But I find myself that the two 

870
00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:51,200
are melding much more into one 
than that. 

871
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,480
Used to be very separate. 
I mean the Mary Queen of shops 

872
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,480
outfits were lined up and it 
was, you know, what was it? 

873
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:58,880
What was it? 
My ex-wife said Bob's Bengals 

874
00:46:59,240 --> 00:47:02,440
and boots. 
Have you got your three bees on?

875
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:07,200
Bob Bengals boots and we're off.
I mean, would you say you've got

876
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:10,680
a style icon? 
Well, I know who it all. 

877
00:47:10,720 --> 00:47:12,680
It used to be in a style of 
restaurant. 

878
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,680
I just used to look at her and 
just think she was just. 

879
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:17,960
I haven't seen pics of her in a 
long while. 

880
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:22,160
I can see that for the Mary I 
knew at Harvey Nick's day. 

881
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,200
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 
Yeah, I don't see that now, no. 

882
00:47:26,240 --> 00:47:27,160
I don't. 
I don't. 

883
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:34,040
You've got much cooler have I 
Yes, just in a in a just in a 

884
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,720
much more relaxed. 
Way. 

885
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,160
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 
But I suppose maybe. 

886
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,800
That's because in those days, 
you know, you're in a system. 

887
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:43,800
Doesn't matter what. 
Yes, you're in a system. 

888
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:48,000
Yeah, you are within a construct
of a business. 

889
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:52,640
And now I'm just me. 
And I suppose those years after 

890
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:55,520
when I left and I was only, you 
know, really in my mid 30s when 

891
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:59,040
I left. 
God, yeah. 

892
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:03,520
And then, you know, I, I just 
did my own thing. 

893
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:09,200
And of course then TV came my 
way and, you know, so you, yeah,

894
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:13,040
you. 
But I feel I'm much more relaxed

895
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:18,680
in my fashion now, so that I 
love that kind of boyish LA sort

896
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,280
of look. 
Do you think there's something 

897
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,960
about that? 
And age, of course. 

898
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,880
Yeah. 
Of course, but then again, you 

899
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,880
say that it's really interesting
about it because one of the 

900
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:35,800
things and the reason why I grew
my hair out, it was COVID and I 

901
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,520
found myself sort of wringing my
hairdresser and it was like the 

902
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:41,280
French Resistance coming 
undercover to come colour my 

903
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,280
hair in the back garden in the 
Cotswap. 

904
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,680
I was like, like, come at 11, no
one will. 

905
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:47,680
See. 
Oh God, we all had our hair done

906
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:51,400
in the garden, didn't we? 
And I was kept on getting 

907
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,720
invited on to the news to talk 
about this. 

908
00:48:53,720 --> 00:48:59,840
So many businesses were 
collapsing and my hair was just 

909
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:02,200
like, you know, the old streak 
came through and I remember my 

910
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:03,360
daughter. 
Could mum leave it? 

911
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:06,000
Leave it. 
And I remember I was going into 

912
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:11,280
this, this different persona, 
not different shift in my 

913
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,720
energy, in my way that I was 
looking at the world. 

914
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:18,880
It just happened and it and I 
don't you know, it did you know,

915
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,160
I couldn't say, Oh, I did. 
It just grew out. 

916
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:25,360
No, I was actually growing out, 
you know, and it was, I was 

917
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:29,400
going into a completely 
different space and, and I think

918
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:34,320
my fashion went with that and 
and I sort of nurtured that more

919
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:36,760
and more. 
It just feels, I know completely

920
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,680
how I want to style myself. 
Do you know, I did something the

921
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:41,200
other day. 
It was just when I was about to 

922
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:45,760
go on the road for about, you 
know, two months and I didn't 

923
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,680
want to buy anything new. 
And I called up one of my old 

924
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,200
team who styled with me at Top 
Shop years ago. 

925
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,880
She's a brilliant stylist. 
I said, Mandy, would you come 

926
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:55,800
round and go through my wardrobe
with me? 

927
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:58,640
Amanda Sweet. 
I never laughed so much. 

928
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:00,720
She came down with different 
things. 

929
00:50:00,720 --> 00:50:03,200
She look books. 
She loves it and she. 

930
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:04,400
Have you got this? 
Yeah, I've got that. 

931
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:06,240
Yeah, I've got that. 
Oh, I've got that jacket. 

932
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,360
Oh yeah. 
And we just changed and I took a

933
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:12,600
mixed everything and then some 
things, you know, I took out a 

934
00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:17,160
pink pair of boots with a blue 
heel I hadn't worn in years from

935
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:20,920
Marcus Almeida, and then chucked
that on with a pair of jeans and

936
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,000
then a white shirt and then belt
at the new scarf. 

937
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:25,040
We just had the best. 
Time. 

938
00:50:25,240 --> 00:50:28,720
So fun to do that with someone 
that you know and trust. 

939
00:50:28,720 --> 00:50:31,720
Yeah. 
Who knows your personality, Yes.

940
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,920
And laughed our heads off and 
just had such fun. 

941
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:38,040
It was really, really lovely 
thing to do. 

942
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:42,080
But it again, it made me go, no,
that's so not what I'd wear 

943
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:43,640
again. 
I know that's not going to come 

944
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,080
back out, you know, but this is.
Interesting. 

945
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,240
I mean, you've been married 
twice, yes? 

946
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:53,400
What did you wear for your first
marriage to Graham Portis? 

947
00:50:53,720 --> 00:50:57,960
I wore a David Fielding, a David
Fielding wedding dress with a 

948
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,040
big fishtail. 
Fabulous. 

949
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:06,000
And what era was that? 
That was late 80s and I was 

950
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:11,160
working at Topshop and the 
buyers there, one of which was 

951
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,120
Jane Shepherdson who then went 
on to run it. 

952
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:18,760
They, they knew all and I knew I
wanted a very slim time big. 

953
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:22,360
It was like that big fishtail 
and one of my team made this 

954
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:23,800
ruched hairdresser. 
It was gorgeous. 

955
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:29,080
I, I loved that wedding outfit. 
I sold it very quickly after so 

956
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,240
true. 
And then and then second 

957
00:51:31,240 --> 00:51:34,880
marriage. 
Well, Antonio Barandi created 

958
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:40,720
matching outfits for us. 
But like I wore lovely. 

959
00:51:40,720 --> 00:51:47,560
It was like an oyster pearly 
grey beigey silk and bright 

960
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:49,960
orange skirt and jacket that 
matched it. 

961
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:53,080
Beautiful, beautiful. 
And Melanie wore a dress, tiny 

962
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:54,880
dress that was in the same 
fabric. 

963
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:58,040
He was just adorable doing that.
That was joyous, really joyous. 

964
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:03,040
And then Hadley Freeman's sister
was the photographer. 

965
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,480
She was a photographer, Joe, and
a photographer. 

966
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,000
She did the best photograph just
running through Marlborne High 

967
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:11,200
Street with the camera. 
And and so very repportarish. 

968
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:14,480
Oh, it was just magical. 
She was brilliant, brilliant, 

969
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:15,600
brilliant. 
Brilliant. 

970
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:19,200
And then in 2024, you were an 
Orden OBE. 

971
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:25,200
Oh, big Ed Obi, Wan Kenobi. 
Obi Wan Kenobi, how did you 

972
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:28,240
decide what you were wearing for
that day? 

973
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:33,160
I knew I wanted to wear a suit, 
a trouser suit, but I wanted a 

974
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:36,800
proper bespoke, you know, 
trouser fitted. 

975
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,760
So where did you go? 
I went to Savile Row. 

976
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:43,800
I went to Savile Row and there's
a women's company that designed 

977
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,000
for women's suits there that 
just did the suit for me. 

978
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,440
It was just gorgeous. 
I honestly, it was divine. 

979
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:52,120
Can you describe it to me? 
It was a creamy white, very low 

980
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:57,000
cut, very tight at the waist, 
long jacket, very simple 

981
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:01,560
straight trouser in like a 
cream, white with a black 

982
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:05,440
stripe, very very simple. 
Hat. 

983
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:09,720
No, didn't do any of that. 
I'm so not a hat person unless 

984
00:53:09,720 --> 00:53:11,600
it's a cash hat. 
I love a cash hat. 

985
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:15,000
I love a cash hat. 
I tell you what I want you know 

986
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:18,000
where I can get one. 
Amanda, I want a Diane Keaton 

987
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,760
hat in memory of her. 
I love that hat that she used to

988
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:21,560
wear. 
You know, it's big. 

989
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:23,760
They're like the bowler hat, but
they're bigger. 

990
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:25,880
They're. 
Super cool. 

991
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:29,640
I bet you Philip does those. 
Do you think that it's got to 

992
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:32,960
have that? 
They're really cool. 

993
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,760
I just love that look and I suit
a hat and like it. 

994
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:37,880
Wouldn't surprise me if those 
were Phillips. 

995
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:41,160
Do you think so? 
I think he's really clever with 

996
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:45,920
those sort of re proportioning. 
Yeah, yeah, Top Hat. 

997
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,640
I go and have a chat with him 
now. 

998
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:55,760
If I were to ask your daughter 
how she would describe your 

999
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:59,800
style DNA in three words, what 3
words would those be? 

1000
00:53:59,960 --> 00:54:02,920
Well, let me put it this way, 
let me put it this way, you're 

1001
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,200
never going to get one answer 
out of this, do you? 

1002
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,560
My daughter doesn't buy anything
new because she's a real rat 

1003
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:12,840
honour and she's her whole thing
is, is how how we're going to 

1004
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,320
create a better world. 
And I love her for this, right. 

1005
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:19,000
And but she takes everything 
from my wardrobe. 

1006
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:23,000
So we just say that Amanda. 
So my daughter style DNAI look 

1007
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,440
at that. 
She's just like me, don't you, 

1008
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:26,720
Verity? 
We we don't. 

1009
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:29,320
I know you don't want to say you
do, but you do. 

1010
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:38,280
So I think she would say, oh, 
that's really difficult because 

1011
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:40,240
you're asking me to describe my 
style DNA. 

1012
00:54:40,240 --> 00:54:45,640
I am, but I think it's easier, 
you know, if, if you're doing it

1013
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:49,200
through someone else's eyes 
sometimes. 

1014
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:52,960
Yes, I think. 
But you know what? 

1015
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:55,920
You know your own style. 
You you tell me what it is. 

1016
00:54:57,720 --> 00:54:59,880
I think she'd say it's, it's 
confident. 

1017
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:04,320
I think she'd say that. 
And I think she'd say it's 

1018
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:10,920
boldly simple because I think it
is that it's. 

1019
00:55:11,240 --> 00:55:17,080
And what's the third one? 
Well, that's 2 words. 

1020
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:18,080
Sorry. 
So how about that? 

1021
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:19,760
And confident and boldly. 
Simple. 

1022
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:22,240
I like that. 
I really like that. 

1023
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:28,400
So coming back, coming on to 
you, your body is exercise an 

1024
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:31,880
important part of your life? 
Yeah, but I've done this and 

1025
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:34,760
it's really, I was, I had to do 
an interview the other day at 

1026
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:38,920
the time so and I looked who 
done it before me and then Iris 

1027
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:42,360
Apfel was sitting in the green 
Gucci suit that I actually have 

1028
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:45,000
a sort of place that we know we 
were talking about ageing and 

1029
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,520
I'm going to get on to ageing. 
Take two ways. 

1030
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:52,320
Well of how you look. 
I worried that I might end up 

1031
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:56,680
like one of those over the top 
women that age with a really red

1032
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:58,560
Bob. 
The glasses get bigger. 

1033
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:00,000
Think you're doing it in reverse
though. 

1034
00:56:00,240 --> 00:56:03,720
I'm doing reverse. 
Yeah, I'm doing reverse so and I

1035
00:56:03,720 --> 00:56:06,320
like that. 
I like less, less, less, less 

1036
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:09,240
make up less on me. 
Just I still like great jewelry.

1037
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:11,400
I like great necklaces. 
I hadn't put them on today 

1038
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:12,720
because I was just all over the 
place. 

1039
00:56:12,720 --> 00:56:16,320
But I love what you're I love 
that simplicity, but then bold 

1040
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:20,160
statements on certain things. 
So so anyway, one of the things 

1041
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:22,600
that I read and I I and I love 
this. 

1042
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:25,840
I don't. 
I used to run every day and I 

1043
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:28,440
didn't realise I had pro Nate. 
So my knees are really, I've 

1044
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:31,200
just got no cartilage left to my
knees, which means I can't 

1045
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:35,400
really run. 
But, and I hate the thought that

1046
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:38,600
I would have to have a time in 
my diary that I need to go to 

1047
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:41,840
the gym or there's a pressure on
my body that I, I haven't put 

1048
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:42,880
that in. 
I don't feel good. 

1049
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:47,400
So I don't do that. 
But I do Pilates about 3 * a 

1050
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:48,760
week. 
I haven't done it because I've 

1051
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:50,320
been on the road and it's been 
very difficult. 

1052
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:55,920
But I that, that core strength, 
every morning I get up, I'll do 

1053
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:58,840
sit ups and I do the stretch 
exercise because I've got a 

1054
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:02,800
slightly herniated disc which 
can, if I'm not careful, can 

1055
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:06,600
play and I walk everywhere where
I can if possible. 

1056
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:09,680
So and when I'm particularly in 
the Cotswolds, I'm like a 

1057
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:11,280
lunatic. 
I get up first thing in the 

1058
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:15,360
morning and I put on the worst 
old pair of bottoms, jogging 

1059
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:18,920
bottoms that if I got caught on 
camera, I'd be totally ashamed. 

1060
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:23,240
But no one cares there. 
No one gives them monkeys. 

1061
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:25,640
And I love it. 
And I put on my walking boots 

1062
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:28,920
and I stick my peak cap on and I
go up Swift Hill, which is just 

1063
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:31,240
behind my house, until my heart 
is beating. 

1064
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:33,320
It's nothing. 
Just does 10 minutes up there, 

1065
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:35,440
10 minutes back down and get 
home, have a coffee. 

1066
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:40,440
Lovely, lovely and your approach
to your own beauty. 

1067
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:41,240
Hair. 
Nails. 

1068
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:45,360
Well, I don't do, I don't go 
into my nails and I'm terrible, 

1069
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:49,720
but I do sometimes. 
I'm very, I love great my, I 

1070
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:52,040
look after my skin. 
I'm lucky I've got my mother's 

1071
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:53,840
skin. 
She had a very good skin and 

1072
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:57,200
Irish sort of lighter skin. 
And so I've not got too many 

1073
00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:00,520
problems on that. 
I, I have to have a good haircut

1074
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:06,000
and I am lucky that my brother 
is a hairdresser and yeah, he's 

1075
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:10,480
cut my hair for years. 
But I and I like I like my hair.

1076
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:13,200
If my hair doesn't feel right, I
don't feel right. 

1077
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,120
And I like really good skin 
creams and oils. 

1078
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:19,320
I look after myself on that. 
And I'm lucky enough that I've 

1079
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:22,400
learnt sort of fundamental 
makeup routines from having my 

1080
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:25,840
face done for filming or 
shooting and I get great makeup 

1081
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:29,800
artist a little merry get this 
or so I and I like I like doing 

1082
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:34,520
my makeup and I'm obsessed about
body oils and I love great body 

1083
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:38,640
oils. 
Then that's my it's, it's making

1084
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:41,640
my body feel richer. 
But I'm not a loads of make up 

1085
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:46,120
and I don't, you know, spend a 
fortune on spas forever. 

1086
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:48,320
I just don't. 
Mine is from being outside in 

1087
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:50,320
nature. 
Yeah, and tweakments. 

1088
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:54,280
Where are you at on that? 
I've had Botox and I actually 

1089
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:57,120
was watching Bobby Brown the 
other day and she was saying on 

1090
00:58:57,120 --> 00:59:01,320
radio that she's never had it 
done and I'm looking, well, she 

1091
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:04,240
looks good because Bobby Brown's
got me in her 70s now, isn't she

1092
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:06,480
60s? 
Would you think? 

1093
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:09,280
60s maybe. 
I remember launching Bobby Brown

1094
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:12,240
and I think maybe I should stop 
because I have it only about 

1095
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:13,760
twice a year. 
I'll have a bit down around by 

1096
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:16,640
my eyes and my forage. 
And I think maybe I shouldn't 

1097
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:18,080
shouldn't do that. 
And I want to know because The 

1098
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:24,480
thing is, I genuinely do look at
those women aging that don't 

1099
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:26,360
have much done and they do look 
better. 

1100
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:29,200
But then again, I look at people
like Julianne Moore, who's my 

1101
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:30,960
age, and think there's got to be
a facelift going on there 

1102
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:32,320
because you can't look that 
good, can you? 

1103
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:35,720
Can you look that good? 
I am not going to say anything, 

1104
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:39,440
no. 
But I just put in Oh, not all. 

1105
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:41,400
If it isn't Julian, you're. 
Just gorgeous. 

1106
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:45,160
I think what I'm surprised about
is the number of 30. 

1107
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:47,000
Year olds, Oh no, don't it just 
don't go there. 

1108
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:49,440
No, don't facelift. 
So don't go there. 

1109
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:50,800
That's what she was talking 
about. 

1110
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:52,600
So I think it's the sort of 
Kardashian. 

1111
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:53,880
Effect. 
It's just shocking. 

1112
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:57,000
It's just shocking. 
And also, I don't want to have a

1113
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:59,280
face that defies my body. 
Yeah. 

1114
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:02,080
Yeah, and what goes on when they
take their clothes off? 

1115
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:04,640
But you know what I mean? 
I don't want someone to go. 

1116
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:09,360
I think my body and my face sort
of fit. 

1117
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:11,280
I look after. 
I've been lucky enough not to, 

1118
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:14,600
you know, have, you know, I 
could still get in a bikini and 

1119
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:17,720
be OK, you know, but. 
But I do. 

1120
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:20,440
Yeah, I have the tricks, but I'm
thinking maybe I won't do it 

1121
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:23,600
anymore. 
I just think maybe. 

1122
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:27,360
Very personal, isn't it? 
Yeah, and it just helps because 

1123
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:29,920
I'm a frown or an expression, so
it just helps. 

1124
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:33,080
But yeah, that's that's what 
I've done. 

1125
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:37,520
Let's talk about travel. 
Talking about bikinis, do you 

1126
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:42,560
have a particular travel look? 
Well, I, I'm, I don't love 

1127
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:45,080
travelling much. 
I find it really just a lot. 

1128
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:46,360
Yeah, of course. 
Yeah, I do. 

1129
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:49,280
I do. 
But I find it just, oh, just get

1130
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:51,080
me there. 
I'm an impatient person, you 

1131
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:56,520
know, so I want to be there. 
And I have a particular summer 

1132
01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:59,640
look for my wardrobe, which I, 
I'm very clear on what that is, 

1133
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:03,240
you know, and it just is every 
year and I'll just update it 

1134
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:05,800
slightly, but I love it. 
So does your change? 

1135
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:11,160
Does your style change for the 
sort of summer beach look? 

1136
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:17,040
Yes, but it's again, yes, it 
does because I wear, I wear lots

1137
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:23,320
of linen, baggy, baggy shirts, 
linen trousers, loose hats, lots

1138
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:24,440
of hats. 
I love hats. 

1139
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:27,280
I mean, I take about four hats 
away with me and I'm just like, 

1140
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:29,000
what is that about? 
And they're the most difficult 

1141
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:33,680
things to pack, but a really 
good straw big kind of. 

1142
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:35,400
So do you pack that? 
Yep. 

1143
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:38,160
And then I leave them at 
different houses, but then I 

1144
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:40,680
rent different houses and then 
I've got more hats around the 

1145
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:43,200
island and I don't know what 
than heads to go in and that's 

1146
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:45,920
for sure. 
What luggage? 

1147
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:49,400
Shoes. 
Are you using the away luggage? 

1148
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:53,000
They're that big. 
They're quite heavy cases, you 

1149
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:56,160
know, in a big square cases. 
That's the one I use at the 

1150
01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:58,200
moment. 
And I like them. 

1151
01:01:58,200 --> 01:01:59,680
I yeah. 
And I bought some for my son 

1152
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:02,480
because he travels back on 
business to New York and I 

1153
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:04,680
bought him one of those in a 
lovely sort of bourbon down. 

1154
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:06,680
I like that luggage. 
I've also got. 

1155
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:07,880
What's the other one? 
Is it bricks? 

1156
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:11,160
I'm really like, it's done in an
olive green, which suits me and 

1157
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:14,520
it's got leather little handles.
But, you know, I have them all 

1158
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:17,160
up in the attic, my luggage. 
And sometimes they go missing, 

1159
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:20,720
Amanda, when they got kids. 
Where is that one gone? 

1160
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:23,200
Oh no. 
Oh man. 

1161
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:27,800
Oh, funny that. 
Stealing kids stealing. 

1162
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:32,760
If I were to say to you, you can
only dress in two brands, 1 High

1163
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:37,000
Street, one designer, which two 
would those be? 

1164
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:39,600
Look at my mouth open and then 
that one like that. 

1165
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:45,160
Well, the ones the the two that 
I do dress in, I think that I 

1166
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:48,200
dress in the most is Marques 
Almeida, the designer ones, 

1167
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:52,360
because they just do that 
statement piece that when I want

1168
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:55,840
to push it, it's kind of cool 
and loose and relaxed, but 

1169
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:57,800
crazy. 
So I'm that as well. 

1170
01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:01,560
So I've got these big floral 
trousers that I can just put on 

1171
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:05,680
the cut is that sort of lovely 
bowl and it's just gorgeous and 

1172
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:08,320
stick that on with a very simple
black shirt and it looks great. 

1173
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:11,600
If I just want to go and people 
sometimes want a touch of that, 

1174
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:13,360
you know, and I all that great 
boots. 

1175
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:19,320
They just sort of be marked as 
Almeida and it would be, this is

1176
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:21,760
difficult because I was going to
say Uniqlo. 

1177
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:25,360
I think it would probably have 
to be Uniqlo, but I'm wanting 

1178
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:27,720
Gap to be the one. 
Does that sound? 

1179
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:30,840
And Uniqlo, you know, when you 
look at what Jonathan did for 

1180
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:34,200
them as well and that comes on, 
you know, and even my son's like

1181
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:36,960
mum, get me a load of those, you
know, Uniqlo, Jonathan and some 

1182
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:39,400
socks, you know, they're just so
cool. 

1183
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:42,640
But in some ways, it's the way 
they've done those partnerships 

1184
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:46,560
really feel symbiotic rather 
than we've just got, you know, 

1185
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:48,960
this label in to work with. 
It feels like it's really part 

1186
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:52,400
of their DNA. 
Totally and and the Anja 10 

1187
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:55,240
genius. 
I got her little T-shirt and 

1188
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:58,120
she's done such great cuts. 
She did the arm the right 

1189
01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:00,400
length. 
How many times do you want to 

1190
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:02,360
say please don't have them too 
short? 

1191
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:04,880
I'm a woman of this age. 
That was the right length. 

1192
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:07,600
Thank you, Anja. 
And those cashmeres with the 

1193
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:12,680
sort of the, you know, the, the 
contrast embroidery, you know, 

1194
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:15,560
the sort of fixings that I loved
those. 

1195
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:18,920
I absolutely loved those. 
Would you say you've had a worst

1196
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:21,480
fashion moment? 
Oh God, yeah, I know what that 

1197
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:24,600
is. 
I'll tell you when it went all 

1198
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:27,240
wrong. 
But also it was a note that was 

1199
01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:33,320
an all the flowery sort of when 
Chloe, that sort of laity. 

1200
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:38,080
It wasn't me. 
Well, but it was everywhere and 

1201
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:44,080
it was, you know, and I, I sort 
of bought pieces like that and 

1202
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:48,120
it was just so that just does 
not suit me, doesn't suit me at 

1203
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:51,920
all. 
And that, that was a, that was a

1204
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:56,360
bit, yeah, that was a wrong 1. 
So I had that. 

1205
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:58,800
I think I've had wrong fashion 
moments. 

1206
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:01,920
I've got shirts that I've bought
that are just beautiful, 

1207
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:05,040
beautiful blouses. 
They've just got too much detail

1208
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:08,360
on them, just too much for me. 
So do you hang on to them or do 

1209
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:10,520
you move them on? 
Well, I give them to my Mary's 

1210
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:14,360
living and giving. 
Shops which I wanted to talk 

1211
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:19,200
about, I mean those were that 
was so ahead of the time 2009 

1212
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:25,720
and are you still very involved 
How and how does that so how 

1213
01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:28,240
does that work? 
Well, it works that they, you 

1214
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:31,880
know, I came up with the concept
and and sort of the philosophy 

1215
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:33,680
and how I want the shops to 
look. 

1216
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:35,360
Just this should not be like a 
charity shop. 

1217
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:39,480
Just the by product is it will. 
But if it doesn't and you make 

1218
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:43,560
people feel joyful and excited 
and coming in to find stuff 

1219
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:47,400
that's not full price, but it's 
beautifully curated and loved 

1220
01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:50,000
and good, you know, they're 
going to be good stuff in there.

1221
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:53,440
You'll make money. 
And we've made over 30 million 

1222
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:55,440
for say the children just by 
turning ours head. 

1223
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:58,680
And and now we've got fashion, 
you know, charity shops that are

1224
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:04,280
really doing some great stuff, 
you know, really great stuff and

1225
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:06,440
taking that sort of, you know, 
way of going. 

1226
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:07,840
Why do we have to look like 
this? 

1227
01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:11,040
You know, let's invest in making
this beautiful and we will make 

1228
01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:15,240
more money in the long term. 
So, yeah, a lot of my stuff goes

1229
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:18,120
there. 
A lot I do give away, you know, 

1230
01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:21,880
to friends or like, my sister. 
And then I go, that jacket's 

1231
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:23,520
lovely. 
And she goes, yeah, you gave it 

1232
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:24,640
to me. 
And I want to say, can I have it

1233
01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:26,040
right now? 
Can I have it back? 

1234
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:28,760
Indian guest giving. 
I think I'm going to have it 

1235
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:34,760
back now. 
So you gift, do you? 

1236
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:37,600
Do you actually still get 
involved with any of the 

1237
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:40,760
curation at the? 
The team do all of that, yeah, 

1238
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:44,480
we I will then go round twice a 
year and hang with them. 

1239
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:48,320
We do workshops and do. 
You ever buy when you're on the 

1240
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:50,000
road? 
Yeah, a brilliant Vivian 

1241
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:51,680
Westwood jacket the other day 
from there. 

1242
01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:54,360
It was fantastic. 
It's, it's always such a joy, 

1243
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:58,640
isn't it, those, those charity. 
Finding it, the managers must 

1244
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:02,080
have a whale of a time and you 
get that in in first thing. 

1245
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:03,920
You know, some of them get some 
great fights. 

1246
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:08,240
Yeah, absolutely. 
What would you say is the oldest

1247
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:11,040
piece in your wardrobe? 
Me, yeah. 

1248
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:13,960
Oh, stop it. 
No. 

1249
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:19,640
The wardrobe. 
What's the old? 

1250
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:21,760
Well, it will be my my less 
smoking list. 

1251
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:23,680
This is saint-laurent. 
Leaves Saint-laurent. 

1252
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:25,760
Does your daughter ever nick 
that? 

1253
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:29,800
No, she hasn't nicked that. 
She's done the Gucci and she's 

1254
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:33,320
but she hasn't taken that. 
And actually my son's 

1255
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:36,280
girlfriend's just done a little 
darling of it for me, which is 

1256
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:37,920
really sweet. 
And you should leave a little 

1257
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:43,360
tag on it saying never even 
consider borrowing this. 

1258
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:45,520
Do you know what I leave tags 
on? 

1259
01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:47,680
Plugs. 
You know my house in the cots 

1260
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:51,200
and I say so friends can come 
round and I you know the your 

1261
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:54,040
plugs, your friend I say do not 
remove. 

1262
01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:57,560
Gone when I get there, so do not
remove. 

1263
01:07:57,640 --> 01:08:01,360
Then you need to put and Mary 
Porter will come after you. 

1264
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:06,880
Yeah, on it. 
OK, one final question before we

1265
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:10,440
go on to the quick fires. 
The most expensive item of 

1266
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:13,000
clothing you've ever bought. 
You do not have to tell me the 

1267
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:16,040
price tag. 
It was a Hyder Ackerman jacket. 

1268
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:19,319
I still have. 
I haven't worn enough to get the

1269
01:08:19,319 --> 01:08:20,960
money back, if you know what I 
mean. 

1270
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:23,880
Pounds per where? 
I haven't quite got that yet and

1271
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:28,680
I've had it 15 years, so it was 
one of those who go. 

1272
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:33,000
Can you describe it to me? 
Oh, it's really difficult to 

1273
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:35,279
describe Amanda, because you're 
a designer and you know all the 

1274
01:08:35,279 --> 01:08:38,920
right terminology and I'll be 
rubbish at this, but it's a kind

1275
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:44,040
of evening jacket in a beautiful
aubergine silk. 

1276
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:49,920
And then it's also, so it's, 
it's shaped like a sort of 

1277
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:52,000
Elizabethan style. 
That's all I can sort of 

1278
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:53,880
imagine. 
So it's very small at the waist,

1279
01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:57,760
but quite large, not shoulder 
Paddy, but big on. 

1280
01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:02,200
And it has a sort of roll lapels
that roll out on it. 

1281
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:06,520
And to tie it, you have to go 
through, you know, a loophole 

1282
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:10,479
and it comes around. 
That's leather ties in it and 

1283
01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:14,040
leather edging through it and 
then it's done with the sort of 

1284
01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:17,279
mole skinny grey edge as well. 
And it's stunning. 

1285
01:09:17,279 --> 01:09:19,880
It's stunning. 
So you know, I've I've worn it 

1286
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:23,520
for weddings, but I'll also wear
it if I'm doing a torque or and 

1287
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:27,240
just with the most simple black 
pants and it looks just great. 

1288
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:30,760
Gorgeous. 
Let's spin on some quick fires. 

1289
01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:34,200
What fashion advice would you 
give your 20 year old self? 

1290
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:39,840
Keep it simple, stupid. 
Fashion trend or era that you'd 

1291
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:41,680
most like to see make a 
comeback? 

1292
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:47,359
I know maybe it's just formative
years, but I think the glam rock

1293
01:09:47,359 --> 01:09:51,520
70s they did, I guess Gucci 
brought them back, but I just, 

1294
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:54,560
oh, I was just loved every part 
of that. 

1295
01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:59,320
Fashion or beauty trend that you
would consign to Room 101. 

1296
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:04,600
A beauty trend has to be the 
eyebrows that literally ended up

1297
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:11,000
like what's his name marks from 
the I mean who I I love a good 

1298
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:13,160
eyebrow. 
I love a good eyebrow. 

1299
01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:16,600
I do not want sticker tape 
across your forehead and think 

1300
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:19,240
that looks good. 
Who came up with that one? 

1301
01:10:19,480 --> 01:10:22,680
Literally a black paint light. 
I literally walked into a 

1302
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:25,400
Baker's one day and this young 
girl served me and I thought is 

1303
01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:26,200
she done this? 
Is it? 

1304
01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:29,160
Is it a joke day today? 
They were literally about two 

1305
01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:32,560
inches width of black lines. 
Slugs, I call them. 

1306
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:35,920
Or bigger the slugs. 
These were mammoth slugs. 

1307
01:10:36,440 --> 01:10:41,480
Your last impulse buy? 
I know what it was actually I 

1308
01:10:41,480 --> 01:10:44,280
bought it online and I'm not a 
big online driver and it was an 

1309
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:47,760
LA brand and it was a leopard 
print. 

1310
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:53,360
I thought I would wear loose the
silk trousers for holiday and I 

1311
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:55,920
looked like a drag queen in it. 
So I gave them to my sister and 

1312
01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:57,480
said you can do the drag act in 
those. 

1313
01:10:57,480 --> 01:11:01,680
Tish, is that all right? 
Your views on tattoos. 

1314
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:05,560
Oh no, no, they're just an aging
skin though. 

1315
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:08,320
I'm sorry it looks so cute. 
But then no, no, no, no 

1316
01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:10,360
grooming. 
Or well-being treatment you 

1317
01:11:10,360 --> 01:11:14,120
couldn't give up. 
Oh, it's got to be my hair. 

1318
01:11:14,440 --> 01:11:17,240
It has to be my haircut. 
I just love that and I feel 

1319
01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:18,680
alive when I get a great 
haircut. 

1320
01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:20,680
High maintenance. 
Low maintenance. 

1321
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:21,600
What? 
Me. 

1322
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:25,200
Yeah, I think I'm low 
maintenance, yeah. 

1323
01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:28,800
High End, High Street. 
Oh I'm a bit high end. 

1324
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:32,640
I'd lie else way. 
Crocs cute or puke? 

1325
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:38,760
Just a really interesting thing,
isn't it? 

1326
01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:41,640
I think there's a cuteness about
them. 

1327
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:43,960
I've come to see that, 
especially when I see my 13 year

1328
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:45,400
old Simon. 
I'm thinking he's cool and I 

1329
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:49,280
just breaks my heart. 
Samba's or gazelles? 

1330
01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:58,680
Oh, I think I'm a gazelle. 
Sports Lux or Rock'n'roll? 

1331
01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:02,200
Oh, you see, that's difficult. 
That's a really difficult one. 

1332
01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:05,320
I think you're both. 
Yeah, I'm both, so I'll be sport

1333
01:12:05,320 --> 01:12:08,200
role. 
Cashmere or cotton? 

1334
01:12:11,480 --> 01:12:13,880
I think I'm Cotton. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

1335
01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:18,400
Trilby or Tracy Trilby? 
Trend or style? 

1336
01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:21,520
Style, colour or monochrome? 
Oh. 

1337
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:30,560
It'd have to be colour. 
Patton or Plain Patton Order or 

1338
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:35,480
editor, editor, charity shop or 
resale. 

1339
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:38,800
Charity shop. 
Bikini or one piece bikini 

1340
01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:44,200
shapewear or sexy lingerie? 
Shapewear, tights, stockings or 

1341
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:48,120
hold UPS. 
All of those are a horrible 

1342
01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:50,400
option. 
Amanda Wakeley, can I just tell 

1343
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:53,800
you I absolutely hate the worst 
one. 

1344
01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:56,640
I could never date anyone who 
wears pop socks. 

1345
01:12:56,800 --> 01:12:58,680
I just say please leave the room
now. 

1346
01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:01,880
I think socks. 
Socks are so sexy. 

1347
01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:05,040
Wear socks. 
We don't need hold UPS but I do 

1348
01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:09,320
love sometimes a great pair of 
Woolford black tights which just

1349
01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:11,040
can. 
If you're not feeling great and 

1350
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:13,560
you want to wear a skirt or a 
dress and just wipe that on, it 

1351
01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:15,080
holds it all. 
It's still brilliant. 

1352
01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:19,480
And finally, traditional last 
question at the end of the day, 

1353
01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:21,760
what do you or don't you wear in
bed? 

1354
01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:25,040
I wear absolutely nothing. 
I've always worn absolutely 

1355
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:27,960
nothing and I don't know, I 
can't bear the thought of 

1356
01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:30,680
anything on my body. 
And I soon warm up. 

1357
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:36,120
Yeah, I'm a complete nudie. 
Wonderful, Mary, thank you. 

1358
01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:39,880
I've loved our conversation. 
I could literally chat on and on

1359
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:42,520
and on. 
There's so much shared history. 

1360
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:44,680
That was wonderful, Amanda. 
Really wonderful. 

1361
01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:46,960
Thanks for having me. 
It's a joy to sit with you in 

1362
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:49,360
your extraordinary place. 
Oh, thank you. 

1363
01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:51,160
No, my, my pleasure. 
Was that fun?