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I've never actually really worn 
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seen people with these 
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say I could sort of draw one on 
my wrist and. 

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I can have one too. 
No, it's sort of drawing for 

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magazines. 
I was drawing for Hobbs and 

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Queen. 
Well, that was still Hobbs and 

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Queen. 
And actually, Amanda, your show 

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was one of my first fashion 
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Now you're also a model and I 
wondered, what's the most iconic

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piece you've ever modelled? 
Today I'm going on a style 

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journey with the brilliantly 
talented artist that is Klim 

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Evenden. 
Welcome and hello, Claire. 

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So lovely to see you, I'm so 
happy to be here. 

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It's so lovely to see you 
because the last time we saw 

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each other was when you were 
doing beautiful portraits of the

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press for my press lunch for the
launch. 

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Well remembered. 
I remember it last. 

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Of my Mayfair store. 
Yes, way back in the day. 

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It I wouldn't like to guess 
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a while ago, maybe pre COVID I 
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It was definitely pre COVID. 
That's my kind of marker for 

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timing general. 
It is, isn't it Pre and post and

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you have been going from 
strength to strength. 

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I mean, I follow you on 
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I'm totally by the way Climb 
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it's totally hypnotic. 
I'm so pleased. 

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To hear that it really. 
Is I love, I mean, I, I'm very 

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lucky to do what I do and I work
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commissions with a lot of sort 
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brands and hotels and things. 
But something that really gives 

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me joy from Instagram is hearing
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watching the videos especially 
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some relief during the day or 
they feel relaxed watching the 

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videos or or or some some small 
moment in the day of joy is such

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a nice feeling. 
It is. 

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It is totally joyful. 
It's uncomplicated. 

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It doesn't spike any of those 
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Yes, triggers. 
It's an escapist thing, I think.

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And you know, I think now we're 
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phones. 
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bait Y things that kind of draw 
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And I do really love just just 
creating this window for people 

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online and on their phones to 
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and just sort of float away a 
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It really is floating away and 
you have created this technique 

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that you call unfolding. 
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recently and they, they sort of 
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because I used to call them my 
videos that were sort of folding

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stories. 
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it's like an unfolding story. 
And it's like, Oh yes, it's like

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an unfolding story. 
So it's kind of folded card that

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during the video kind of 
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draw a bit more. 
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interested in in animation and 
trying to create an animation, 

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but I'm not very technical. 
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discovered it was I was 
literally looking at a sheet of 

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paper and just thinking, how can
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early Disney, how can I make 
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I mean, that's impossible make 
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And I was like, well, if that 
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there, if I fold the paper in, 
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arm in a different position. 
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motion and then if I speed it 
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else. 
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invention. 
I think people have, I've heard 

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that people did a similar thing 
maybe as kids. 

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They're, I'm sure they're all 
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invented this technique, but 
people really engage with those 

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on my Instagram and I created a 
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year that's had 42 million 
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So it's just kind of like this. 
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Globe. 4242, it just went. 
I mean, I've had other viral 

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videos, but this one, it was 
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It just, it just carried on and 
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Talk us through that one. 
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I just wanted to, I usually 
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of celebratory, kind of really 
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festive, something to sort of 
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sort of holiday time of the 
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like, wow, this is my best work 
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viral thing. 
I'm sort of what catches. 

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boring technical thing that it's
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and I don't know if in the past 
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back a little bit. 
And it just has an emotion to it

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just has it's called the star 
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It's sort of unfolds from a star
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this landscapes scene with 
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towards this mountain that 
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Sounds very strange to describe,
but it's it's quite engaging and

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it just, it was so exciting and 
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social media bore because that's
like to my friends, have you 

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heard that my videos got like. 
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go viral? 
Pretty quickly. 

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Did it yeah. 
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maybe 30 minutes later and it 
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was being seen by so many 
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I mean, now when I look at the 
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them on the thing? 
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time end to end from everyone's 
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Oh. 
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So it's quite a weird and also I
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who's really famous, who will 
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on their videos like Kim 
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So I looked at her videos and a 
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that feeling. 
I was like, OK, more like Taylor

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Swift. 
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42 minutes, I mean, that's a 
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You know, it's incredible that 
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figure, it's just the amount of 
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10 seconds of that video. 
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extraordinary to have that kind 
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That I mean that's have really 
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Thank you. 
Fantastic. 

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And is that across Instagram and
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Because I know you're on TikTok.
I am on TikTok. 

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Instagram's always been my most 
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changed with my work. 
When I I joined, I joined right 

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at the beginning. 
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that point. 
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2013, fourteen, whenever that 
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and I was literally having to 
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of send drawings to people and 
you know, that's just one person

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that might not register or see 
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suddenly have this democratic 
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a lot of people, that sort of 
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So it's always been my strongest
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Now, you recently did one that I
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painted on your wrist. 
Tell tell me about that one, 

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sort of how that came about. 
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of sort of imaginative ideas 
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I can draw quite quickly. 
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capturing something or drawing 
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unexpected places to, to sort of
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I've seen people with these 
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say I could sort of draw one on 
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I can have one too. 
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was in the gym. 
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the gym where I'm really sort 
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adrenaline and stuff and 
suddenly like, oh, that's a good

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idea. 
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I just set up myself and and set
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always have a loose plan like 
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I do have to people often ask if
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I do have to plan a little bit, 
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Definitely, because you've got 
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That's a sequence, yeah. 
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the top of my head, which is 
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for your your viewers, you know,
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that's always nice to see where 
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But when you want to sort of 
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fizzle out. 
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you're like, where am I going 
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But yeah, the watch I, I just 
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then just sort of grew this 
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So it's just a blank table. 
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So it just sort of ended up 
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you might have on a table, like 
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bit meta, my own pen that I was 
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the table next to my hand. 
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So things like that are just so 
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myself. 
And and then you just put it out

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there and you really learn it's 
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sort of what people are 
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enjoy. 
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imaginative. 
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ideas I've had where I'm like, 
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that, but sometimes the the 
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of brands, do are they quite 
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Do they let you get creative? 
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That's something that sort of 
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just so I feel so privileged now
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just give me a brief and sort of
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confidence. 
It's such a privilege and it's 

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so enjoyable as a creative to I 
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It's, it's actually, I really 
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know if I could be a fine artist
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kind of creating work a little 
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love being given, you know, 
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this brief? 
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people were more sort of 
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stuff. 
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ago there was more of that sort 
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know, you can only use this 
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visualize this kind of thing. 
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are a bit looser with that and 
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creativity. 
Definitely. 

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Yeah, definitely. 
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artist in your own right now 
with your with a very strong 

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identity, yes, And so people 
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Yes, that's where I've wanted to
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hopefully is reconfirm that 
that's the case and and that's 

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what I've always wanted to get 
to that kind of position so. 

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T-shirt? 
That's another brilliant 

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question. 
I have done that. 

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I have worked on product. 
I love the idea of working with 

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product. 
I haven't done it for a while, 

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although I did last year. 
I did a big global collaboration

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with Diptyque. 
So in a way that's that is that,

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which was fantastic. 
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I've never really gone into that
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I did a big project with Michael
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was a sort of charity, global 
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He does. 
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that, definitely. 
It would be amazing, yeah. 

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you have to print, you know, 
1000 of anything. 

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That's true. 
Yeah, Yeah. 

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No, I'd love to see that. 
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I love seeing my work in 
different contexts and sort of 

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blown up or projected on the 
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sort of, you know, in different 
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Like, oh, now I know you get 
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portraiture. 
Yes, I have been lucky enough to

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be. 
Here's one I prepared earlier, 

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Amanda. 
I mean, I look like a teenager 

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there, Clem so. 
Nonsense. 

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Thank you very. 
Accurate. 

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I mean, I pride myself, myself 
on. 

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I do think I, I have captured 
something and it's something I 

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love doing. 
It's something I did a lot 

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towards the beginning of my 
career to kind of just, I guess,

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guess get attention, you know, 
at events and parties and 

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backstage at shows and things. 
And I'd see, I actually it was, 

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it's sort of the idea came from 
seeing photographers turning up 

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backstage and shooting people, 
fantastic photographers like 

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Darren Garish or Adore. 
And I knew that they were being 

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paid. 
I think mostly too, that's like,

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how can I kind of capture and, 
and also maybe be paid and start

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to make a living and also I can 
draw very quickly. 

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So yeah, that's something I did 
early in my career and I still 

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love doing. 
And, and this is for you, this 

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portrait. 
And it's such a lovely sort of 

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thing to gift as well. 
It's a thank you that is going 

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to go up with all the black and 
white. 

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That is really brilliant. 
Really. 

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You're welcome. 
You know it will remind me of 

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what I looked like 30 years ago.
Well, this moment in time that 

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often a nice kind of, you know, 
people say actually on on the 

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way here, funnily enough, Jay 
Parfitt, the the fantastic model

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Jay Parfitt loved Jay just 
happened to to message me a 

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drawing I did for her. 
Yeah, birthday. 

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And so people do message 
drawings that sort of since 

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forgotten about, but for them 
they're moments in time. 

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And you know, for me, it was a 
special time early in my career 

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when I started going to shows 
and I was sort of drawing for 

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magazines. 
I was drawing for Hobbs and 

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Queen while that was still Hobbs
and Queen. 

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And actually, Amanda, your show 
was one of my first fashion 

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shows and having such a kind of 
interest I had, I've had such an

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interest in not any fashion from
an early age, but kind of, I 

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suppose it's quite unusual. 
I'm really interested in sort of

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the production of shows and the 
casting and the music and the 

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venue. 
So I have a sort of freakish 

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memory. 
I'm just about to freak you out 

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with very specific details about
it. 

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So I remember this show was in 
the old Saatchi Gallery. 

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Yes. 
St. 

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John's. 
Wood. 

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It was, the room was sort of 
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It was quite sort of, I think 
there was a sort of goddess 

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theme or something. 
I remember Olivia Inn was in it.

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There was yellow. 
But I specifically at that time 

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I was just, I'm really into 
music. 

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So I was just getting into 
electronic music and and sort of

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dance music and stuff. 
And I actually message someone 

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in your studio who kindly told 
me what the soundtrack was. 

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So you might not remember, but I
Yeah. 

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So I still remember one of the 
tracks was Voca Voca May by DJ 

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Icon, and one of them was 
Happiness Happening by Lost 

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Witness. 
I don't know if you recall that.

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I do. 
I remember that show well. 

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Yeah, it was just fantastic 
because it was like I was really

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into that kind of music at the 
time and it was sort of trancy 

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kind of, I guess slightly IB 
three sort of music. 

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And it was like, this is what 
I've always wanted from the 

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fashion show. 
And it sticks in my head, you 

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know, these memories. 
Yeah, were you were. 

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You weren't actually 
illustrating at all. 

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There, I don't think I was 
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Hobson Queen because I remember 
turning up with one of the 

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editors and you were handing out
or your team were handing out 

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mini bottles of Moe and Chantal.
Thank you, Moat. 

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Thank you, Moat, who I also work
with. 

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So that's a good. 
And I also remember allegedly 

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maybe tipping over one of those 
my bottles slightly, possibly 

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onto an editor's back. 
I'm sure they didn't notice. 

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I'm sure it was it was during 
the show in the heat of the 

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moment. 
But, you know, it was that I was

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a teen, I think already doing 
these kind of commissions and it

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was just so exciting. 
So those kind of memories really

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stick in my head. 
Yeah. 

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Were you at Saint Martin's at 
that stage? 

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Yes, I think I just started, 
yeah. 

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I'm going to come on to Saint 
Martin's in a moment, but today 

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we're going on a style journey 
and it's your style journey. 

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And so I want you to tell me 
what you've put on today. 

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I've. 
Longed for this moment, Amanda, 

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because I could go on for hours 
about, you know, sort of what I 

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wear and clothes and things. 
It's such a privilege to talk 

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about it. 
So today I'm wearing a double RL

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Ralph Lauren suede jacket, a 
vintage Tiffany necklace that my

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mum bought me, I think in an 
auction, which I've had for 

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years. 
So that's really special, 

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special for me. 
This T-shirt I sort of dug from.

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I have a lot of T-shirts I found
literally at the bottom of of 

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this very large pile of my 
wardrobe because I'm just really

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interested how closed no matter 
how sort of mundane they seem 

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have hold such special memories.
And this T-shirt I think just 

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because of the the fit and I 
just love the print. 

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I was an ornithologist as a 
child so I'm quite. 

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I've literally been eyeing up 
some Canada geese down there as 

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pre. 
We've also got Egyptians. 

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There you go. 
I know what Egyptian geese are. 

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So I still have that kind of, 
you know, I'm still kind of 

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looking out on twitching. 
So yeah, this T-shirt was really

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special for me just when I 
started going out, moving to 

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London. 
It's seen many club nights. 

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It's. 
Got many memories. 

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It has many memories. 
It has been worse since. 

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I'm glad to hear it. 
So it's just one of those things

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that might not seem, you know, 
out of the ordinary, but for me,

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it has a lot of memories. 
So, yeah. 

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And Margaret Hale MHL Margaret 
Hale trousers. 

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Actually proud of socks because 
one of the bonuses of doing 

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shoots I do a bit of modelling 
as well is that often you can 

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walk off set with the socks. 
Well, of course. 

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I wouldn't otherwise maybe 
purchase from the socks, but 

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it's nice to know they're there 
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So you grew up where? 
I grew up in Sussex, but in the 

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middle of nowhere in the 
countryside, very beautiful 

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area. 
And, but I went to school in 

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Canterbury. 
So I had this sort of contrast 

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of, of environments and I, I 
grew up loving nature and 

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drawing nature a lot. 
I think that's where I sort of 

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picked up a lot of, I guess 
drawing skills. 

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But then I was also really keen 
to get to, to Canterbury because

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sort of at the same time as, you
know, being interested in nature

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and becoming a teen, I suddenly 
got really interested in sort of

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dance music and rave and stuff. 
So I kind of had this strange 

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combination, yeah, starting at 
school in Canterbury. 

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And were you in school uniform 
there? 

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I was in school uniform, quite 
a, a sort of grand school 

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uniform. 
I had a wing collar. 

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So. 
So yeah, I just got used to 

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that. 
And how does that feel it? 

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I suppose looking back, I mean, 
I didn't really think about it 

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then you, you just put it on and
I remember doing things like 

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you'd sort of keep the wing 
collar kind of attached to the 

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back with a start. 
And so you just sort of put it 

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on the morning. 
What do you think about and put 

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the start through the front? 
And also things like the tie, I 

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remember just having not doing 
it every morning, but just 

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having in a loose knot and just 
sort of tie it up again. 

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And so I did, you know, it just 
became a process. 

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But I suppose that kind of 
formality in dressing, I did 

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understand sort of the power of 
of, I guess wearing a suit or 

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kind of looking quite elegant 
from an early age, although 

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that's not really how I dressed 
as a teen. 

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But did it? 
Did it make you feel more 

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engaged with your schooling? 
Not at the time. 

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I suppose uniforms kind of 
create this kind of cohesion and

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and sort of grouping. 
I suppose that's kind of the the

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part of the reason for uniform 
It did. 

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I'm not sure I was really 
conscious of it when sort of 

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when I was in uniform at that 
age. 

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But I suppose it created more of
a contrast to what I was wearing

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out of uniform and and what I 
enjoyed to wear at school and 

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kind of how you could express 
yourself with your friends. 

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And so you didn't customize your
school uniform in any? 

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Way allowed to we could sort of 
get away with. 

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I remember in winter you'd wear 
a dark grey or black V-neck 

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jumper and it was sort of what 
Phoenix jumper you chose. 

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Very important. 
Quite a big and if you went, you

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know, dark charcoal or black and
I think I went dark charcoal 

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M&S. 
So that was, you know, a 

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statement. 
But then, when you weren't in 

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full school uniform, you were 
clubbing, raving. 

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No, not at school. 
I mean, I was, I was, I wouldn't

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have been allowed to, I don't 
think at school. 

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And, you know, I was too young 
really to do that, but I think a

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lot of my creativity comes from 
my imagination. 

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So, you know, from an early age,
imagine getting into fashion, 

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imagining being at fashion 
shows, kind of imagining being 

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at a rave and and sort of almost
occupy occupying those spaces in

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my head. 
So I think, you know, I'd sort 

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of walk around school, you know,
in the evening, age 15, sort of 

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wearing a hoodie and I'd feel 
like a bit of a raver or 

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something or, you know, things 
like that where I wasn't 

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actually doing that sort of 
stuff, but. 

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But you were looking forward to?
It yeah. 

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And picking up obviously pre 
social media is getting a lot 

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from fashion magazines. 
And I have, I still have 

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actually the first edition of 
Arena on plus #1 which was had a

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guy sort of running through a 
desert on the cover and in the 

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Mani suit with a sort of 
parachute billowing behind him. 

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And that was just in that era 
where a fashion magazine was all

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the information came from that, 
you know, and it's so well found

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this magazine and, and I've, 
I've hung on, hung on to it. 

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And I, I picked up so much 
information just from that one 

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one magazine and then obviously 
buying more and more sort of 

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magazines and. 
Yeah. 

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And were you were you buying 
from vintage stores when you 

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were a teenager? 
I was a combination my, I think 

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I get a lot of interest in 
fashion stuff from my mum who's 

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always been interested. 
My parents are creative so they 

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met at art college and so they 
don't come from any kind of 

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corporate background. 
So I've never had that kind of, 

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you know, I suppose business 
feel of dressing. 

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I've always just sort of, I 
suppose had quite sort of 

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relaxed approach and my mum 
kindly bought me things which 

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were fantastic. 
You know, we would go to, there 

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was a shop called Ratio in 
Brighton, which was kind of the 

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core shop in Brighton. 
For example, it would sell like 

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bit of Helmet Lane, Catherine, 
Hamlet and and you know, really 

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cool. 
Brands. 

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Yeah, I mean, I'm not saying I 
had, you know, maybe I got AT 

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shirt or something, but it was 
still that T-shirt was 

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treasured. 
And I think the earliest, one of

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my earliest purchases at school 
was I remember sending off 4 

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because of course you couldn't 
at that time pay online or 

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anything. 
So I must have sort of sent a 

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cheque or something. 
But I bought a helmet Lang vest 

450
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:05,040
because that was just, I was so 
into that brand and his vision 

451
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:08,520
and I would never wear, you 
know, I wouldn't just sort of 

452
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,000
wear a vest, but it was under 
things so I knew it was there. 

453
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:15,840
It was a sort of army green 
vest, obviously not the biggest 

454
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,440
item, but for me, again, that 
was such a special thing. 

455
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,040
And I, I just remember waiting 
for it to arrive and you know, 

456
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,240
everyone else was receiving kind
of quite conventional things in 

457
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,520
the post, but I was waiting for 
the Salmat Langfest, so. 

458
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:32,520
And and that that was yeah. 
Did you have siblings? 

459
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,120
Were you? 
I have one sister who's also has

460
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:39,320
great style and creative. 
So yeah, it was a combined. 

461
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:43,880
And did you bounce creative 
styling ideas off each other as 

462
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,280
as sort of teenagers? 
I don't know if we sort of 

463
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,440
bounce styling ideas off each 
other. 

464
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:52,080
I've always, I think we've both 
always been very individual. 

465
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:56,360
So we definitely chatted a lot 
about fashion and, and it was a 

466
00:24:56,360 --> 00:25:00,240
really mutual interest and, and 
we would sort of, you know, both

467
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,960
really look forward to mum would
get, you know, Elle or Vogue, 

468
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,280
whatever and we'd be excited to 
look at it. 

469
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,160
But she had her, her own very 
distinctive style. 

470
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,960
And I don't know whether there 
was a cross pollination in that 

471
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,560
in that way, but I suppose I was
inspired by how individual she 

472
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,040
was. 
And I've never really wanted to 

473
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,440
try and fit in, you know, I was 
always just doing my own thing. 

474
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,400
I wasn't bothered about what 
other people were wearing at 

475
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,640
school and things like that, so.
Would you? 

476
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,280
Did your father's style 
influence you at all? 

477
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:36,360
Yes, in a, in a, a sort of, I 
suppose quite a sort of relaxed 

478
00:25:36,360 --> 00:25:40,480
way, like he's always worn 
denim, you know, he still does. 

479
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,480
He'll wear sort of a denim 
shirt, jeans and and things like

480
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,280
that that are again, quite sort 
of unassuming. 

481
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:51,080
But I think that sort of seeped 
in that sort of love of kind of,

482
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:55,600
I guess workwear fabrics in a 
way and and sort of well loved 

483
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,960
clothes. 
He had AI remember he had a 

484
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:04,400
massive sort of almost World War
2 style sheepskin coat when I 

485
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,400
was young and I was just so 
intrigued by it was just wait a 

486
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,560
ton and have one of those kind 
of brass metal chains in the 

487
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,240
back. 
Love that detail. 

488
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,320
And I remember watching the 
Clothes Show or, you know, 

489
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,160
something like that on John 
Kaliano in the 90s and hearing 

490
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,880
about how one of his earliest 
sort of inspiring moments was 

491
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,320
sort of flipping A sheepskin 
coat upside down and putting 

492
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,080
your arms through the sleeves, 
but having the hem form this 

493
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:32,840
huge kind of turned over collar 
almost sort of, I guess slightly

494
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:34,560
kimono style. 
And I remember doing that with 

495
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:38,080
my dad's. 
She's probably in private. 

496
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,040
But that was, you know, one of 
those moments that that, yeah, 

497
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,280
it's quite formative in a. 
Way just being just quite 

498
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,120
transformative. 
Yeah, instantly transformative 

499
00:26:46,120 --> 00:26:50,520
and I just sort of heard it, you
know, on the closure and went 

500
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,720
when did it? 
What fun. 

501
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,520
You went to Saint Martins? 
Yes. 

502
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,560
And you studied fashion design 
there? 

503
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,800
I did. 
Study fashion design BA women's 

504
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,560
wear. 
I think at that stage I was 

505
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,720
really interested in fashion. 
I think when you're that age, 

506
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,880
you know, I feel sorry in a way 
for people choosing a course as 

507
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,680
a team because there's so much 
evolution still to happen. 

508
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,960
And I, I have spoken to young 
art students and, and people at 

509
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,880
college and they, they almost, I
think can get quite stressed 

510
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,840
about, you know, what direction 
should I take and what shall you

511
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,280
do? 
But I, I think you have to let 

512
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,080
things evolve a little bit. 
And I think the key thing is to,

513
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,840
to really follow where your 
natural interests are. 

514
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,120
So at that time I was very 
interested in fashion. 

515
00:27:36,120 --> 00:27:38,280
You know, obviously the big 
designers were like Galliano and

516
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,160
McQueen who had been to Saint 
Martin's. 

517
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,120
I think since maybe I, I might 
have done well in something like

518
00:27:45,120 --> 00:27:47,600
print design or maybe even 
menswear. 

519
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,560
But it was, it was great. 
I really, and I really started 

520
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,960
drawing at Saint Martin's. 
So that was a a key thing. 

521
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,360
And what was your style? 
What was your Saint Martin's 

522
00:27:56,360 --> 00:27:57,880
style? 
Of what? 

523
00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,200
Of what I was. 
Wearing. 

524
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,000
I was thinking about this before
the pardon. 

525
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:05,000
I was, I was remembering with 
slight embarrassment my, I think

526
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,960
I remember my, my sort of first 
day, which is obviously a big 

527
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,800
moment at Saint Martin's when 
you turn up because it's not 

528
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,560
like turning up, you know, I 
guess other courses or at 

529
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,600
school, it's like you're 
studying fashion design. 

530
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:24,520
So actually, and I think I was 
in some DKNY combats, possibly 

531
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,320
like a logo T-shirt. 
I mean, I was still very like 

532
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:32,840
just wowed by just the fashion 
world and, you know, brands that

533
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,200
were big, that were having a hot
moment, like DKNY, I was really 

534
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,440
like, it's DKNY. 
So I think that was, I think 

535
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:43,640
that's what I was wearing. 
And I discovered, you know, I'm,

536
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,920
I'm still evolving. 
So in terms of my style, you 

537
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,720
know, I've just covered more and
more as I've got old and I've 

538
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,840
really loved that. 
You know, I've never felt 

539
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,760
stressed to sort of get to a 
certain point in how I look or 

540
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:57,000
have it set in stone. 
I love it being a fluid thing. 

541
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,720
Yeah, yes. 
And, and ever evolving, Yeah. 

542
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:04,480
And when you were at Saint 
Martin's, were you, did you do 

543
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,160
menswear? 
Were you, or were you women's 

544
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:08,320
wear? 
What? 

545
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:12,760
What were you focusing on? 
So I will in terms of design, I 

546
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:17,840
was, I was doing women's wear 
design and I think at the same 

547
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,960
time doing a lot of drawing and 
getting more into drawing and 

548
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:25,400
doing they had fantastic drawing
classes and I was lucky enough 

549
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:30,440
to be taught by Howard Tangy who
who taught I think Galliano and 

550
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,000
people like that drawing and 
he's an incredible artist as 

551
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,320
well. 
So you know, it's a really 

552
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,800
privileged position to be in to 
get to have these inspiring 

553
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,800
people teach. 
And my good friend Camilla Dixon

554
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,920
is that's where I met her 
because she was, was teaching as

555
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,200
a young tutor drawing at Saint 
Martin's. 

556
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:54,000
And so I think a lot of getting 
back to your question, a lot of 

557
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,760
my designs immediately started 
having this print element and 

558
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:01,640
had literally they were sort of,
you know, the proof was, was 

559
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,800
there early on in terms of my 
career because I'd sort of treat

560
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,200
the outfit almost like a canvas 
to then draw on. 

561
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,920
And, you know, I'd sort of 
eventually get to the point of 

562
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,040
just drawing. 
But at that stage, I was sort of

563
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,320
combining artwork and 
illustration onto clothing. 

564
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,000
Fascinating. 
And did you, did you have a 

565
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:23,560
light bulb moment while you were
at Saint Martin's as to becoming

566
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,560
an artist rather than a fashion 
designer? 

567
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:32,040
I did, I think I did partly when
Howard, my tutor recommended 

568
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,880
that I just changed literally 
the the method of drawing. 

569
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:40,440
So I think I was drawing when I 
started more in sort of fine pen

570
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:44,560
and sort of pencil and charcoal 
and quite hard materials. 

571
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,520
And he noticed that I drew very 
quickly and needed to get the 

572
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,640
line down quickly. 
And he suggested I used an ink 

573
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,840
brush to have this sort of 
graphic look that would just I'd

574
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,440
be able to do just get that line
down in a very fluid way. 

575
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,120
And that's the style that's 
really evolved into what people 

576
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,200
see as my signature style now. 
And and what this, you know, for

577
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,360
example, this drawing is that I 
did of use. 

578
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,920
So that's kind of stark. 
And that was the turning point. 

579
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:21,440
Who would you say you dress for?
I, I do dress mainly for myself.

580
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,960
I love the feeling of, of what I
wear. 

581
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:33,360
That's a kind of, I suppose a 
kind of the feeling of movement 

582
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,280
in clothes I love. 
So I love feeling kind of agile 

583
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,560
and sleek. 
I don't like feeling too 

584
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,880
restricted. 
And so when I put an outfit on, 

585
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:47,080
the sort of test is kind of then
when you walk after the shops or

586
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:48,720
whatever, and it's like how you 
start feeling in it. 

587
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,320
So I, I, I love that. 
And then obviously if you feel 

588
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:56,880
good, I guess you look better. 
But there there is always, I 

589
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:01,120
suppose that kind of, you know, 
maybe a like minded person might

590
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,600
like what you're wearing or, you
know, get what you're wearing 

591
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,360
and, and stuff like that. 
Because you're, you're working 

592
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:08,720
with a lot of brands. 
Yeah. 

593
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,240
Are you? 
Do you ever adapt your what you 

594
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,720
wear to your initial meeting? 
I do, yes. 

595
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,240
And thinking about it, there is 
that sort of division between me

596
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:24,040
sort of in work mode and more 
casual me or me work in my 

597
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,760
studio. 
So yeah, definitely when I'm 

598
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,120
working on a campaign. 
So I've sort of travelled to New

599
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,240
York. 
I, I do a lot of work in, in New

600
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,640
York with different brands and, 
and I will have a certain kind 

601
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:40,040
of vision of how I want to look.
And often it's creating, 

602
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:42,280
obviously the focus is the 
artwork. 

603
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,160
So I might be creating a mural 
or working on a window or 

604
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,160
something like that for a brand.
And so I don't really want to 

605
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,080
draw too much attention to what 
I'm wearing, but I want to look 

606
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:57,400
good so, and sort of look sleek 
and look more like a silhouette.

607
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:01,720
So it's usually be like a really
great sun spell, black T-shirt, 

608
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:07,160
slim black jeans, boots, maybe a
chain or something like that, 

609
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,880
but but fairly monochromatic and
simple. 

610
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,160
But there's also the event 
element. 

611
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,880
So if I'm going to a kind of 
brand event or something that's 

612
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,800
again a slightly different thing
where maybe I'll put a slightly 

613
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,920
more kind of elegant look or I 
guess evening look or something.

614
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:32,400
But you're going to meet Hermes 
for the first time for a brief, 

615
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,240
you know, project brief. 
Or on zoom it's often. 

616
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,120
A thing. 
Of literally like what do I look

617
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,440
like here? 
Will you, will you ever adapt 

618
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:46,920
your style to communicate a 
little bit more to said brand 

619
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:48,960
that you're going to be working 
with? 

620
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:53,600
I will, yeah, I will subtly, 
possibly tweak a bit, but it 

621
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:57,320
will always have my core style. 
I won't dramatically change. 

622
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:06,080
Now you're also a model and I 
wondered, what's the most iconic

623
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:11,840
piece you've ever modelled? 
Prada, it's always a brand that 

624
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:16,239
I've I've admired and getting 
back to loving it was a full 

625
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:20,800
circle moment for me. 
I haven't been signed for that 

626
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,520
long, but I was signed to a 
fantastic agency called Super 

627
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,760
during COVID, weirdly, and it 
was such a surprise to to sort 

628
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,280
of be asked. 
And being an artist illustrated 

629
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,840
is very much my main job. 
So this is something I also do, 

630
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,360
but I love. 
I love having that as a sort of 

631
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,520
contrast. 
And it also links in. 

632
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:42,239
But the full circle moment came 
from having that arena on plus 

633
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,000
edition edition one at school 
and just pouring over it and 

634
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,400
loving it. 
And the stylist David Bradshaw 

635
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:52,679
that worked on on that cover, I 
discovered at that shoot styled 

636
00:34:52,679 --> 00:34:58,280
me for that shoot for arena on 
plus, current arena on plus for 

637
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,000
a prouder story. 
So it was an incredible sort of 

638
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:02,840
full cycle moment. 
I couldn't believe, you know, 

639
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:07,000
had I told my teen self that I'd
be working with that stylist who

640
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,760
who created that cover image 
many years later. 

641
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:11,520
Oh. 
My God. 

642
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,120
I mean, because my next question
was your favorite stylist to 

643
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,720
work with. 
I wouldn't like to to pinpoint 

644
00:35:17,720 --> 00:35:22,040
because they have such a What's 
so interesting about modelling 

645
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,320
is is just the amount of 
different talents that come 

646
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,160
together. 
And I'm always, so I'm almost 

647
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,280
kind of surprised that 
everything comes together for a 

648
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,920
shoot because they're so, as you
know, so many people that need 

649
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,200
to come together like a show. 
It's like even if one person's 

650
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,680
ill or or can't turn up, it's 
it's like it's actually sort of 

651
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:43,640
fragile combination. 
But yeah, they all have such 

652
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,560
different approaches. 
But I suppose David Bradshaw was

653
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:51,240
just so incredible, especially 
at menswear, and I also love his

654
00:35:51,240 --> 00:35:52,480
style. 
I think that's always a good 

655
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:56,000
sign when you see the stylist 
and you really like what they're

656
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,440
wearing. 
I love Tom Stubbs as well. 

657
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,760
He's fantastic. 
He's really great stylist. 

658
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,600
But I missed something earlier. 
You said you were approached to 

659
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,840
join. 
Super model. 

660
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,120
Management So you hadn't put 
yourself forward? 

661
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,280
No, no, it was a surprise. 
Yeah. 

662
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,040
So it was, you know, I was 
obviously very happy with my 

663
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:19,120
career, doing what I do. 
And it's something I love doing.

664
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:23,320
So this this was this was 
something else where I was, I 

665
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:28,960
was approached by the agency and
actually I wasn't. 

666
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,680
It's the kind of thing that I 
might have been quite shy about 

667
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:36,000
or nervous about. 
My younger self might have found

668
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,360
that quite nerve wracking, but 
it just immediately felt like a 

669
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,600
family, that agency. 
And it's run by a brother and 

670
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,760
sister. 
So it's just it's. 

671
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:48,760
They have an extraordinary board
of of faces. 

672
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,960
Yes, and they've just started, 
uh, having some women and they 

673
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,080
have an export and they've just 
taken on, I think Erin O'Connor 

674
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,040
who I know. 
So yeah, I again, I can't my 

675
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:04,880
teen clothes show watching self 
would would not believe that I'm

676
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,480
at the same agency. 
So it it's sort of lovely to 

677
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:12,520
have another chapter, isn't it, 
to layer into and? 

678
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,160
Completely unexpected. 
And I think a lot of young 

679
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,200
people think, you know, I've got
to get to this place now or, or 

680
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,000
if I'm going to be a musician or
an actor or model, you know, 

681
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,360
it's got to happen now and it 
really doesn't. 

682
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,680
It really doesn't. 
And I think that's the beauty of

683
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:30,640
the world that we're living in 
is, you know, a model's career 

684
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:35,000
is not over by the time 22. 
And I found, I think what's been

685
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,680
so surprising. 
So I joined the agency more as, 

686
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,600
as a kind of their talent. 
They have a talent board, 

687
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,480
obviously with artists and 
musicians and things. 

688
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:45,440
And I've sort of kind of merged 
onto their main board and, and 

689
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,920
I've just worked on an 
incredible campaign and it's 

690
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,400
coming out at the end of the 
year with, with a couple of well

691
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:53,640
known actors. 
And that was just that 

692
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:57,520
experience last week in the film
studios was just like through my

693
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,760
mind, you know, I just would 
never have imagined doing 

694
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,120
something like this. 
And I think it's partly this 

695
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:09,200
this niche of not being, you 
know, a certain age, but but 

696
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,920
sort of representing a slightly 
different demographic. 

697
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,320
And you know, obviously the 
industry is more diverse now, 

698
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:18,440
which is fantastic. 
And yeah, I think there's more 

699
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,920
age diversity, which I which is 
so important. 

700
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,520
Totally. 
Can you share who those actors 

701
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,160
were? 
No, you'll love it. 

702
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:27,400
I tried. 
I tried. 

703
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:31,920
Yes, yes. 
If you could dress in just two 

704
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:36,200
brands, 1 High Street and one 
designer, which two brands would

705
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:40,280
those be? 
The designer is a designer I 

706
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:44,280
really adore, who I've always 
loved and actually I worked 

707
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,120
there as a student. 
So Margaret Howe I've always 

708
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:51,000
loved and I have so much respect
for her still. 

709
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,680
She's still very much involved 
in the company and it's remained

710
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,000
so consistent and I love that 
about the brand. 

711
00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:00,560
It hasn't really swayed to sort 
of trends, but somehow it always

712
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,240
feels very fresh and modern. 
Absolutely. 

713
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,560
And the quality is fantastic. 
So Margaret Howell I think is is

714
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,200
and also a really great example 
of a British designer as as you 

715
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,600
are. 
So I think Margaret Howell is a 

716
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:16,400
designer the High Street. 
I don't think I'd I'd really 

717
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,360
want to pick a High Street if 
that's OK, just because I think 

718
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,080
they're fantastic High Street 
brands. 

719
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:25,680
But I think now I tend to either
sort of save up for for maybe 

720
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,960
something from Margaret Howland.
But then also where my favorite 

721
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,000
places? 
Sorry, my favorite pieces tend 

722
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:37,160
to be vintage. 
I was, that literally was my 

723
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,440
next question. 
So where do you go for your 

724
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,620
vintage? 
So vintage, I think, I mean this

725
00:39:42,620 --> 00:39:45,080
T-shirt that I bought when I was
at Saint Martin's, I think came 

726
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:49,880
from Beyond Retro or Rocket 
maybe or, or one of those shops 

727
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:51,880
in Covent Garden that I think is
still there. 

728
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:54,760
Definitely something similar is 
still there. 

729
00:39:55,400 --> 00:40:00,000
So, you know, back in in those 
kind of days I would have. 

730
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:04,760
Bought things more in in shops 
now obviously I'm looking on on 

731
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:09,960
various places online. 
Where do you where do you enjoy?

732
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,200
I'm a quite an old school eBay 
person. 

733
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:17,000
I know a lot of people look on 
different like Depop and Vinton 

734
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,360
stuff. 
I've, I've really just sort of 

735
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:23,920
stuck to eBay and I've got 
certain kind of search tags that

736
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:25,560
will pop things up now and 
again. 

737
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:31,400
It's like someone's, yeah, 
someone who's, you know, someone

738
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:35,040
selling the perfect vintage in 
poor Omani thing or something 

739
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:38,480
like that. 
So yeah, I just love, I love the

740
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,680
search, the sort of hunter 
element of eBay where you and 

741
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,760
and any vintage clothing, the 
way it's not just handed to you 

742
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:46,600
on a plate, you have to really 
work at it. 

743
00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:51,480
Yeah, what are your search tags?
That's a really, really good 

744
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,000
question. 
That's almost a podcast in 

745
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,400
itself. 
So get ready. 

746
00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:00,080
So in poor Omani, 90s in poor 
Omani, I absolutely love. 

747
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,280
Again, that was one of the 
brands I was really interested 

748
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,680
in when I was at school. 
It had such an incredible 

749
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,560
vision. 
And I remember they did these 

750
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:11,280
huge catalogues. 
I used to send off the 

751
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,960
catalogues when I was at school 
and I, I learned the power of 

752
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,600
drawing early on because, you 
know, people would take notice 

753
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:21,400
of a drawing and I would, I'd 
literally write to Chanel and 

754
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,320
they would, I think then I don't
know if they still do. 

755
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,640
They did these hardback book 
style catalogues and they would 

756
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,440
send me one to school with a 
note. 

757
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,600
And so I, I learnt getting a 
little bit off topic, but I sort

758
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:36,720
of learnt about these brands 
and, and you know, at that stage

759
00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:40,360
and, and sort of writing to them
and drawing and stuff. 

760
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,320
So there were certain brands I 
was into one, One of them was 

761
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:47,160
Emporia Armani. 
I've got quite sort of an 

762
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,720
interest in certain niche 90s 
brands because it was when I 

763
00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:52,480
started getting interested in 
fashion. 

764
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,560
So there was a brand that people
forget about now called People 

765
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:59,200
Corporation that Roland Murray 
designed I think for a few 

766
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,520
years. 
And it was just very clubby and 

767
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,640
sort of underground. 
And it really resonated with me 

768
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,960
because I started going out and 
it felt like things, people 

769
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,000
wearing in, in bars and clubs 
and stuff. 

770
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,800
And, and that's rare now. 
So you won't really get much of 

771
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:18,640
that. 
But now and again you get the 

772
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:24,200
odd piece and quite a few other 
searches that I won't go into. 

773
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:32,720
Do you have a style icon? 
I don't have a specific style 

774
00:42:32,720 --> 00:42:34,280
icon. 
I don't think I ever have. 

775
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:38,520
I think growing up it was just 
friends and it is now friends, 

776
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,960
you know, I see who I like what 
they're wearing and I might pick

777
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:48,000
up a kind of idea from them. 
I've always been drawn to sort 

778
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:49,840
of what actors wear for some 
reason. 

779
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,800
I like the idea of a sort of off
duty outfit. 

780
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,480
I like the idea of something 
that, you know, you might have 

781
00:42:55,480 --> 00:43:00,120
to be on stage or maybe, you 
know, be modelling or something 

782
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,040
and be put in something. 
But you've sort of got this 

783
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:07,080
quiet sort of power in what 
you're wearing off duty or off 

784
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:08,840
stage. 
And it's, it can be quite 

785
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,200
simple, but it's sort of, you 
know, the energies in there. 

786
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:16,280
And so I I I'm often interested 
in what actors choose to wear. 

787
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:22,640
What do you reach for when you 
need to feel empowered? 

788
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:27,200
For me it, it, it tends to be 
the simpler thing. 

789
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:31,880
So actually just the process of 
shaving, which we'll be pleased 

790
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:35,440
to see this morning, it just 
changes everything, you know, I 

791
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,040
just feel completely different 
person. 

792
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,560
So starting from there and then 
just sort of dressing downwards 

793
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,040
from that, it's just something 
probably very simple, like a 

794
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:46,600
really great silhouette, a good 
Navy jumper, black T-shirt, slim

795
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:51,560
black jeans and boots. 
So a sort of taking it right 

796
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,520
down to being simple. 
I think it's how I feel 

797
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:58,120
empowered and sleek and elegant.
Any particular jacket? 

798
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:04,040
Leather jackets I just love 
often vintage, I try not to not 

799
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:10,640
to buy too many because I have a
mast and yeah, I just love 

800
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:15,320
leather jackets and and in 
summer denim jackets it has been

801
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,680
refined to those my wardrobes 
quite sort of condensed to those

802
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,440
two items. 
So how would you describe your 

803
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:27,520
style DNA in three words? 
I would describe my style DNA as

804
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:37,080
sleek, elegant and artist. 
Hopefully, because people often 

805
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:41,000
say ask, I'm not trying to 
predict being a creative really,

806
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,960
but people often ask, are you an
artist or are you a creative? 

807
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,360
So hopefully it's somehow it 
just comes out a little bit. 

808
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:47,920
It does. 
It does. 

809
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,600
Would you say you've had a worst
fashion moment? 

810
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:55,440
I don't like to sort of look 
back and regret too much what 

811
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,440
what I've worn. 
I'm pretty sure there are some 

812
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:03,960
horror stories in there. 
I can't think of any off the top

813
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,400
of my head. 
I think you just learn little 

814
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:11,280
things like if you're wearing 
boots and I love wearing boots 

815
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,560
and if you're wearing a certain 
kind of slim trouser and then 

816
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,400
you stand for a photo, the 
trouser will inevitably bunch 

817
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:18,880
above the boot. 
Things like that, that I 

818
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:22,640
wouldn't have sort of, you know,
you sort of learn. 

819
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:24,280
You learn the hardware. 
They don't really matter, but 

820
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:25,680
it's just little, little things 
like that. 

821
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:31,040
Is staying in shape important to
you? 

822
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,840
You know, do you? 
Are you a Jim Bunny? 

823
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:39,560
I am, I suppose, surprisingly a 
Jim Bunny, but it's partly just 

824
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:44,000
things like cardio and also 
doing what I do as an artist and

825
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,960
illustrator. 
I'm, I'm working, you know, my 

826
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:50,120
studio is in my home. 
So I'm, I'm sort of in the house

827
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:52,280
a lot. 
So I just have to get out pretty

828
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,040
much every day. 
And, and for me, that's going 

829
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:57,080
for a walk or going to the gym. 
So it's not really that I'm 

830
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:01,040
trying to sort of change my 
physique or, or anything. 

831
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:04,120
It's it's just about sort of 
getting out and sort of having 

832
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:11,520
that kind of moving and I guess 
keeping healthy and and yeah. 

833
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:14,280
Let's talk about grooming for a 
moment. 

834
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,280
What's important to you in terms
of grooming? 

835
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:22,600
Yeah, I think. 
I think just shaving, skin, 

836
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:26,240
hair, obvious things. 
Would you ever dye your hair? 

837
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:30,040
I have been through those eras 
and I, I think I'm happy with it

838
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:33,240
in its natural state now. 
But I, I went through, it's 

839
00:46:33,240 --> 00:46:35,560
quite dark and I went through a 
period of trying to get it to 

840
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,560
that really white blonde bleach.
And that was. 

841
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,520
I feel like I've seen pictures 
of. 

842
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,040
Yeah, that was such a kind of 
process. 

843
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:47,680
It was fun to do and I remember 
my poor mum being shocked when I

844
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,920
just sort of randomly posed, 
sent her a photo and she didn't 

845
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,360
know what was happening. 
It was fun, but it was a moment 

846
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,200
and. 
Did you do your eyebrows too? 

847
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:58,400
I've never done that. 
I do like my eyebrows and I 

848
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,120
don't want to sort of fiddle 
with them too much. 

849
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:04,440
Would you ever do any 
tweakments? 

850
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:06,920
Botox fillers. 
No. 

851
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:12,040
Do you coming back to clothing, 
Do you have one item of clothing

852
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:18,600
that means the most to you? 
I don't think maybe not clothing

853
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:24,440
but accessories funny enough. 
So I have some props so. 

854
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:29,240
Bring them in. 
Belts so this I suppose so the 

855
00:47:29,240 --> 00:47:35,120
high end belt moment is so this 
Iguchi belt from the Tom Ford 

856
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,600
era. 
So it's that sort of iconic 

857
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:41,200
square G and this, it was such a
moment for me because it's one 

858
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,240
of those things that I'd sort of
saved up for. 

859
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,480
And I was so excited to have 
something that's sort of, you 

860
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,320
know, been in the fashion show 
or whatever and, and was 

861
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,680
involved with such a big brand. 
And I specifically remember 

862
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:56,200
going to Gucci on the first time
and then it was, I think lower. 

863
00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:02,080
It was sort of old Bond Street. 
And I was so sort of excited and

864
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:07,240
nervous that I literally tripped
on the step into Gucci as the 

865
00:48:07,240 --> 00:48:09,880
guy opened the door and just 
fell face down. 

866
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:12,840
But that didn't deter me and I 
came out with this lovely, 

867
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:15,280
lovely belt. 
Absolutely. 

868
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,720
Beautiful and it's just still so
pristine and I also love with 

869
00:48:18,720 --> 00:48:21,400
belts the way that obviously as 
you get older, the notches 

870
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,440
change. 
I don't mind that and you know, 

871
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,720
it just sort of tells the 
history and this belt is 

872
00:48:27,720 --> 00:48:32,920
actually an old 90s M&S belt. 
My mum pro kindly bought it for 

873
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:36,040
me when I was at school and it's
just weathered and worn so 

874
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,480
beautifully. 
And I really, in fact, this I 

875
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,320
think I love more than the Gucci
belt because it's so personal. 

876
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,240
Bridal leather isn't it? 
It's absolutely and that and 

877
00:48:44,240 --> 00:48:46,400
though that does just get better
and better and. 

878
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,560
Better completely and it's it's 
M&S. 

879
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,240
So it sort of shows that it 
doesn't have to be a designer 

880
00:48:51,240 --> 00:48:53,560
item to be something. 
With a proper brass. 

881
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,640
That lasts for for a long time 
and, and yeah, actually this 

882
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,440
might be one of my most 
treasured sort of personal items

883
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,240
and I love that it's an 
unassuming thing. 

884
00:49:04,240 --> 00:49:10,200
So when you're planning what to 
wear, do you start with one 

885
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,720
particular item in mind that you
want to wear, and then build it 

886
00:49:13,720 --> 00:49:17,040
up from there? 
I think I have a sort of going 

887
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,880
to sleep at night planning 
situation. 

888
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,960
So that's quite if I'm 
struggling to sleep, for me, 

889
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:27,360
that's quite a good way of 
drifting off is just running 

890
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:31,360
through outfits in my head and 
remembering my wardrobe and sort

891
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:35,920
of doing a Rolodex. 
So if I've got a big thing the 

892
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:40,200
following day, I probably did 
this a little bit last night for

893
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:42,360
what I'm wearing today, just 
kind of lying in bed deciding 

894
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:46,200
what I'm going to wear. 
I'll sort of plan it in my head 

895
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,800
and it will it will stay there 
as a mood board. 

896
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,600
And you know, I suppose being 
quite visual, I can keep that 

897
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:52,440
image. 
Yeah. 

898
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:55,120
But it will usually start at the
core. 

899
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:58,720
So just at the top the the 
trousers and then sort of build 

900
00:49:58,720 --> 00:50:01,600
up from that do. 
You ever do a big old try on get

901
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:05,320
into the wardrobe? 
I think having done a bit of I 

902
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:09,360
do, having done a bit of 
modelling work, I've I've, I 

903
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,440
mean, this is such a sort of 
pathetic thing to say, but I've 

904
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,960
suddenly realised how exhausted 
try and close on is. 

905
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:19,120
And I did a job recently in 
Berlin and I think I tried on, I

906
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:22,600
counted, I think I tried on. 
It was a big sort of lookbook 

907
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:25,160
thing. 
And I tried on about 50 outfits 

908
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:29,200
and it was just, it was actually
like there's a limit to how many

909
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:30,960
out. 
Not that I do that at home, but 

910
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:34,240
you know, it gets to a certain 
point where it's like, I'll just

911
00:50:34,240 --> 00:50:36,440
imagine the outfit. 
I don't need to try it on. 

912
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,520
But sometimes when you haven't 
seen the thing for a while, you 

913
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:41,280
need to remind yourself. 
So I do. 

914
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:44,000
I do sometimes do a bit of that.
I mean, talking about modelling,

915
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:47,960
do you ever get put in a look 
that you just loathe? 

916
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:50,760
I mean, they vary. 
Super's brilliant. 

917
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,240
You know, the jobs are at a 
certain level so that that they 

918
00:50:54,240 --> 00:50:57,560
always have a really fantastic 
editorial kind of vision to 

919
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:00,280
them. 
They do vary, but what I love 

920
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,800
about modelling is the freeing, 
the quality of it and, and you 

921
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,440
just give yourself over to 
someone and I actually love 

922
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:10,280
that, you know, and just dress 
me how you want and, and in your

923
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,440
vision. 
I'm not really picky about what 

924
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,760
I wear. 
I like just relaxing into it and

925
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:19,880
just doing it. 
Great travel, yes. 

926
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:22,360
Do you have a? 
Particular travel look. 

927
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,480
I love travel looks I get very 
excited about. 

928
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,160
Do you really think about it? 
I really think about it to the 

929
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,880
degree that if I'm thinking of 
buying something new, like a 

930
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,760
jacket or whatever, I'll 
literally picture it in, in an 

931
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,360
airport and me walking to the 
terminal or walking onto the 

932
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,680
plane. 
Because for me, those zones are 

933
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,440
kind of, they're almost like 
runway spaces And, you know, 

934
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:43,800
getting back to being really 
interested in, in the sort of 

935
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:47,440
setup of fashion shows. 
And yeah, so I I do plan them, 

936
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:52,200
but there's a, there's a balance
between the sort of elegance and

937
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:55,480
the vision and the comfort. 
And So what would be a typical 

938
00:51:55,480 --> 00:52:01,000
travel look for you? 
I, I think I've sort of got it 

939
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:05,960
down to a certain formula, which
is a really comfy soft T-shirt, 

940
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:10,280
maybe like a Sunsplot T-shirt, 
something to put on which 

941
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,160
because of the sort of air 
conditioning in the plane, which

942
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,160
is even if you're travelling 
from somewhere hot, it's weird 

943
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:17,080
how it can kind of build up. 
So usually like a hoodie because

944
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:22,520
you can double that up as a kind
of snoozy sort of covering, and 

945
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:26,400
then just a really great leather
jacket to look a bit Mission 

946
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:29,600
Impossible in the airport. 
I've got to ask you, how many 

947
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:31,840
leather and suede jackets do you
wear? 

948
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:36,040
My friends will be listening to 
this at this point saying no you

949
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:40,400
don't, it's much more than that.
So I'm quite good at recycling 

950
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:43,000
and selling things. 
I have a fantastic guy who sort 

951
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,160
of sells things off and I give 
to charity and stuff. 

952
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:48,520
So there is a bit of a turnover.
I think at the moment we're 

953
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:55,920
looking at about, I'd say 10. 
I thought you were going to say 

954
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,440
far more. 
No, it's yeah. 

955
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,640
I think it's reasonable, but 
quite a lot. 

956
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:02,960
But yeah. 
OK. 

957
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:06,320
Just coming back to travel, what
luggage do you use? 

958
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:09,840
I love my travel luggage and 
I've waited quite a while in my 

959
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:13,640
career to sort of save up to 
have the classic Rimowa in the 

960
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:15,360
silver. 
Wheelie. 

961
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:20,600
Wheelie the cabin one, I always 
try and have everything in the 

962
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:22,720
cabin, not have to check 
luggage. 

963
00:53:22,720 --> 00:53:26,280
So it's always a bit of a a sort
of fight to get anything, 

964
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:30,120
everything into that brilliant, 
brilliantly designed suitcase. 

965
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:33,880
But I love that and Wheeling 
around with that with a lovely 

966
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:38,360
Julier tote on top. 
Those are my go to travel 

967
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:40,960
pieces. 
Very chic, very chic. 

968
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:44,120
Let's talk about sustainable 
fashion for a moment. 

969
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:47,400
What's your approach to that? 
I think it's incredibly 

970
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:52,400
important and I think about it 
in every aspect, how I dress, 

971
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:56,400
the brands I work with also, you
know, in sort of modelling 

972
00:53:56,400 --> 00:54:00,000
environments and luckily I think
everyone's aware of it now and 

973
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:04,240
you see it, it really has has 
sort of sunk into every industry

974
00:54:04,240 --> 00:54:06,520
which is fantastic. 
My personal approach is to 

975
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:10,560
really be conscious about no 
matter how much there is a 

976
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:13,760
thrill and there really is a 
dope, I guess dopamine thrill in

977
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:18,880
buying new things is just trying
to curb that and not over 

978
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:23,760
consuming basically and just 
really thinking before I buy in 

979
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:27,000
that sense, whether it's a small
thing, a larger thing. 

980
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:32,680
I also am really keen to both 
buy things that have come from 

981
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:37,200
other people, but also recycle 
what what I wear if I no longer 

982
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:39,360
wear it and get it out there for
someone else to wear. 

983
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,520
Because I think probably there 
are enough clothes for a lot of 

984
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:47,160
people sort of out there to wear
and recycle. 

985
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:50,320
Obviously people also want to 
buy new fresh things, but but 

986
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:54,520
there is so much out there and I
think it's important to get 

987
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:56,640
stuff that you're not wearing 
sort of back out. 

988
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:58,800
It's like almost having an empty
house or something. 

989
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:00,960
It's like someone could be 
living in that so. 

990
00:55:01,720 --> 00:55:07,280
Yeah, as a creative and with a 
fashion training, do you ever 

991
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:11,880
upcycle or alter or tweak a 
garment? 

992
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:15,320
I'm always hacking at things. 
Not so much. 

993
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:18,240
Well, not tall leather jackets, 
thank goodness, but but yeah. 

994
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:19,800
But leather's a great one to 
hack. 

995
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:23,720
At it is actually yeah, no Hemi 
yes, although sometimes like the

996
00:55:23,720 --> 00:55:26,520
the fraying with obviously with 
things like denim and and 

997
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:30,680
Colton, you know, cropped denim 
jackets and things like that. 

998
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:33,200
I love that sort of once they've
been washed and worn that kind 

999
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:36,640
of tendril thing that happens. 
So I really love that sort of 

1000
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:41,680
slightly altered lived in thing.
I'm always hacking it T-shirts, 

1001
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,840
making the sleeves a little bit 
shorter, getting them maybe 

1002
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:49,040
slightly more sort of cropped 
shape and things like that. 

1003
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:52,720
Lots of disasters in that realm 
where you just hack away and you

1004
00:55:52,720 --> 00:55:53,920
put it on. 
You're like, no, can't. 

1005
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:56,760
That was a little short. 
Too short. 

1006
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:00,000
I love doing all that stuff. 
I suppose it's a creative thing.

1007
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:05,680
Yeah, yeah. 
So you buy vintage online, but 

1008
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:07,680
do you? 
Mainly I do brine shops as well 

1009
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:10,360
and charity shops. 
And anywhere in particular that 

1010
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:12,800
you love? 
I still love, I think it's an 

1011
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:18,160
Oxfam in Earlham St. and Covent 
Garden might be Endell St., 

1012
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:22,200
Earlham St. no Drury Lane. 
I've had some great things from 

1013
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:26,560
there, like a fantastic Dax 
vintage grey double breasted 

1014
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:30,920
coat, you know, memory stuff 
like that from, from that 

1015
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:36,360
particular charity shop and a 
few of the places on on Brick 

1016
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:37,480
Lane. 
Obviously that's a great place 

1017
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:39,480
to go for that kind. 
Of thing, it's fab that that 

1018
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,960
underground market, Yeah, I can 
spend hours in there. 

1019
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,480
Yeah, it's a real sort of 
treasure trove, yeah. 

1020
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:50,120
What would you say is the oldest
piece in your wardrobe? 

1021
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,560
That could be vintage or it 
could be just something that's 

1022
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:57,360
you've had in there. 
I think I had I don't have any 

1023
00:56:57,360 --> 00:56:58,480
more. 
I was thinking about this 

1024
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:02,000
recently. 
I had a beautiful tail coat that

1025
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:05,040
where the lay. 
It was so old that the, I think 

1026
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:10,120
at a certain point people hand 
wrote labels and so the label 

1027
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:12,160
was basically handwritten. 
I mean, it was just 

1028
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:13,840
extraordinary. 
It should have been in a museum 

1029
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:16,720
I found in a Clapham charity 
shop. 

1030
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:19,760
I don't think I have that 
anymore. 

1031
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:24,080
I think I, I sold it or, or gave
it on to someone, but that was 

1032
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:26,400
literally from, I guess it could
have been from the 20s or 

1033
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:27,920
something. 
But at the moment it's probably 

1034
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:30,160
like a vintage 70s T-shirt or 
something like that. 

1035
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:33,080
Let's spin on some quick fires, 
Yes? 

1036
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:36,160
What fashion advice would you 
give your 20 year old self? 

1037
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:40,240
Fashion advice for a younger me?
I think I wouldn't want to to 

1038
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:46,560
criticize at all. 
I think just carry on, be 

1039
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:50,480
confident in what you're feeling
like doing, don't hold back. 

1040
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:58,800
Maybe ease up on the logo 
branded stuff in retrospect. 

1041
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:04,280
What fashion trend or era would 
you most like to see make a 

1042
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:08,800
comeback? 
I really like the way people 

1043
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:11,840
dress in a very individual way 
now and I I think that's 

1044
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:13,760
something that's really great 
about the modern age. 

1045
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:17,360
You know, people have really 
embraced personal style and, and

1046
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:20,200
St. style has become such a 
powerful thing rather than just 

1047
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:22,520
looking to the high end and, and
runway. 

1048
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:26,600
So actually I just love that 
eclectic approach and maybe 

1049
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:28,680
mixing eras and stuff. 
There isn't, there isn't a 

1050
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:31,680
particular era, but I love when 
they seep into fashion. 

1051
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:34,720
Like at the moment I think 
there's a slight sort of 80s 

1052
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:37,200
resurgence and I'm quite 
enjoying that. 

1053
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:41,120
Fashion or beauty trend that you
would consign to Room 101. 

1054
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:49,640
I, I don't, I don't know if it's
a fashion trend as such, but I, 

1055
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:52,840
I'm just a little bit adverse 
and I, I hope I'm not being rude

1056
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:55,200
to anyone because I think it's 
probably just an easy thing to 

1057
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:57,200
do. 
But when you're walking around 

1058
00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:00,840
an airport, getting back to the 
the travel vision of everything 

1059
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:04,160
is is when people wear their 
neck pillows. 

1060
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:06,360
That's really good. 
Not on the plane. 

1061
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:10,520
It's probably not any use while 
you're wandering around and it 

1062
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:15,160
just looks or if it's dangling 
off the backpack, I just. 

1063
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:21,800
That is your very visual eye, 
your last impulse buy. 

1064
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:26,840
I just had a fantastic holiday 
in Ibiza and I got very excited 

1065
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,320
before I went and bought some 
Prada sunglasses. 

1066
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:33,360
Your views on tattoos. 
Views on tattoos, I don't have 

1067
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:36,360
any myself. 
I think with most things, I 

1068
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:39,360
think people, you know, unless 
they're wearing or doing 

1069
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:41,680
something offensive, they can 
sort of do what they like 

1070
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:45,280
really. 
And so it's up to the person. 

1071
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:47,720
I have also had people that have
told me that they've had my 

1072
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:50,400
artwork tattooed on them, which 
is quite a weird. 

1073
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:53,280
Oh my God. 
There are people with with my 

1074
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:55,840
drawings tattooed on them. 
And your signature. 

1075
00:59:56,480 --> 01:00:00,920
I don't think my signature just 
just sort of a line work drawing

1076
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:03,160
on their arm or something, and 
that's a weird. 

1077
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,000
Thing I'm not sure how I feel 
about it if it's just 

1078
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:09,840
permanently on someone's skin, 
but it's their decision I'm. 

1079
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:11,880
Thinking. 
I haven't been involved. 

1080
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:13,760
Yeah, no, it's fine and it's 
their decision. 

1081
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:16,320
Grooming or well-being 
treatment? 

1082
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:21,080
You couldn't give up. 
I love a great haircut and it's 

1083
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:24,160
something that I sort of upped 
the stakes of as as I've got 

1084
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:27,720
older. 
And shout out to to Ross at Sort

1085
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:31,000
Salon in Dalston because he is 
just fantastic and I also just 

1086
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:33,800
enjoy the process of sitting 
there and chatting to him and I 

1087
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:35,920
just feel so great after a good 
heck on. 

1088
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:39,160
High end or High Street? 
Sort of neither if I'm allowed 

1089
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:41,800
to say because I love certain 
high end pieces. 

1090
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:47,640
I do buy the odd thing from 
maybe someone like Massimo Dutti

1091
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:52,000
or or something like that. 
But I like to combine a sort of 

1092
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:55,040
polarize myself with maybe a 
great high end piece and maybe a

1093
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:58,720
vintage piece. 
Savile Row or Levi's? 

1094
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:01,280
Levi's. 
Double breasted or single 

1095
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:02,280
breasted? 
Double. 

1096
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:09,560
Crocs cute or puke? 
Again, sort of neutral because I

1097
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:14,600
haven't worn them, but I bought 
a pair for my one of my best 

1098
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:17,960
friends to do the gardening in 
and there are unique 

1099
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:20,480
collaborative collaboration 
croc. 

1100
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:25,880
Gazelles or sambas? 
I do wear Adidas but I actually 

1101
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:27,200
not sure if I know the 
difference. 

1102
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:30,000
I just love my pair of Adidas 
that I've literally had for 

1103
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:31,960
about 15 years and they're still
going strong. 

1104
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:36,080
I would call them Shelto. 
That's a shout out to Adidas, 

1105
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:37,320
isn't it? 
15 years. 

1106
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:38,520
Yeah, they're still going 
strong. 

1107
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:41,240
Good. 
Stuff Sports Lux or Rock'n'roll?

1108
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:46,480
Definitely a little bit of both.
I love a sort of sleek sport 

1109
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:48,880
locks look. 
I also like combining a sort of 

1110
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:51,800
preppy quality into the wear I 
dress, which I guess is is in 

1111
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:55,800
that realm. 
But I also love a bit of that 

1112
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:59,360
kind of being into music and 
stuff that I guess that 

1113
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:01,400
rock'n'roll feel. 
Although I never really want to 

1114
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:05,600
dress exactly like a, you know, 
Rockstar or something, but but I

1115
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:08,920
love that, that feel. 
Cashmere or cotton? 

1116
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:12,520
Cashmere is just hard to turn 
away from. 

1117
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:17,160
Cargoes or chinos? 
Neutral don't really love 

1118
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:19,160
either. 
Trilby or Tracy? 

1119
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:27,800
Don't wear many hats but love 
Philip Tracy's work, so maybe 

1120
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:30,440
Tracy. 
Trend or style? 

1121
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:33,560
Style. 
Colour or monochrome? 

1122
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:37,000
I love colour. 
I get so inspired by colour and 

1123
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:39,600
you know, for my work and 
everything and, and even in my 

1124
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:43,360
interiors at home, I, I love 
sort of Memphis Milano and that 

1125
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:47,800
kind of vibe, but I just tend to
be happier often in monochrome. 

1126
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:52,560
Print or plain. 
For me to wear it, it would tend

1127
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:54,880
to be plain. 
Order or editor? 

1128
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:57,680
Editor. 
Charity shop or retail? 

1129
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:02,680
Bit of both. 
I might even stretch to having 

1130
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:05,480
bought from cherry shop and then
trying to or giving to another 

1131
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:06,760
cherry shop or resell. 
Yeah. 

1132
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:09,080
Budgie smugglers or board 
shorts? 

1133
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:12,320
Shorts. 
And finally, traditional last 

1134
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:15,080
question at the end of the day, 
what do you or don't you wear in

1135
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:18,400
bed? 
I don't at home, but when I'm 

1136
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:22,000
staying anywhere else at a 
friend's or wherever I I 

1137
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:25,000
politely might wear socks or 
something like that. 

1138
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:31,480
What a joy to see you again and 
have this conversation. 

1139
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:32,480
It's. 
Been such a pleasure. 

1140
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:36,080
Thank you so much and I want to 
revisit the whole thing another 

1141
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:38,680
time over coffee or something. 
It's been an absolute pleasure. 

1142
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:39,200
Thank you.