1 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:09,700 Today, I'm going on a sartorial Journey with Liz. 2 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:14,200 Earle MBE, Liz has been a trusted Authority in the world 3 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:18,800 of wellbeing, for over 30 years. She's written over 35 books. 4 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:22,900 I can't believe it on many aspects of nutritional hormonal 5 00:00:22,900 --> 00:00:26,500 and gut health, as well as being a regular Wellness, TV presenter 6 00:00:26,500 --> 00:00:29,800 and podcast host. She's passionate about improving 7 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,800 The health of midlife women and Beyond especially helping women 8 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:36,500 from all backgrounds, achieve a better second half. 9 00:00:37,500 --> 00:00:41,200 I've known Liz for over 30 years and I've always been in or of 10 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:45,000 her passion for making women feel great, and that's something 11 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,600 we share. Whether through the wonderful 12 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:52,300 skincare range that she created or more recently through her 13 00:00:52,300 --> 00:00:55,400 advocation of health and well-being, she's complete 14 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:58,200 inspiration as always been so generous when it comes to 15 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:02,400 sharing her knowledge which she doesn't on almost daily basis on 16 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:04,900 a social media, feeds totally Inspire. 17 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:07,400 So Liz, let's talk about clothes. 18 00:01:08,700 --> 00:01:11,600 What is your earliest sartorial memory? 19 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:13,900 When did you first realize the impact? 20 00:01:14,100 --> 00:01:16,200 Hello. Well thank you very much for 21 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:17,100 that. Lovely intro. 22 00:01:17,900 --> 00:01:22,400 I think I guess for most of us, looking back the first 23 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:26,300 recollection of clothes is school uniform and, you know, 24 00:01:26,300 --> 00:01:28,700 being forced into something that we didn't want to wear and 25 00:01:28,700 --> 00:01:31,200 realizing why I was quite a trauma. 26 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:35,800 It definitely was and I remember going to school and being in 27 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:38,400 needlework horses because I'm old enough, you know, back in 28 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,100 the day when we used to have such things and we had, I'm not 29 00:01:41,100 --> 00:01:45,800 doing, we had to make our own summer skirt and it was this 30 00:01:45,900 --> 00:01:49,400 dark brown. A-line cotton awful thing that 31 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:52,400 fitted really badly and I guess that was probably that one of 32 00:01:52,408 --> 00:01:55,400 the moments that it really struck in my mind that clothes 33 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:59,100 do make a difference as to how you feel and whether you feel 34 00:01:59,100 --> 00:02:03,600 good in them rather than just being something that we throw on 35 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:08,500 without thinking about and and going back to sort of earliest 36 00:02:08,500 --> 00:02:14,500 memories was skincare, always super important to you know it 37 00:02:14,500 --> 00:02:17,700 really wasn't. And for me my First 38 00:02:17,700 --> 00:02:20,200 recollection, really. I think of being involved with 39 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:25,400 making products in that sense, was my father was an admiral in 40 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:27,900 the Navy. And when he came back on, sure 41 00:02:27,900 --> 00:02:31,700 he loved being in the garden and he's a very practical man and he 42 00:02:31,700 --> 00:02:35,300 loves plants that do things. So he would always grow, you 43 00:02:35,308 --> 00:02:38,800 know, the tastiest beans or, you know, something that was going 44 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,500 to be very vigorous and controlling weeds. 45 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:47,900 And so I learnt from him, the capacity of plants to Do things 46 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:52,600 and I would make cucumber, skin, tonic and rose petal. 47 00:02:53,100 --> 00:02:54,900 You know what? I thought was perfume and of 48 00:02:54,900 --> 00:02:58,000 course, all went moldy and I had no idea rosewater. 49 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,900 I remember, as a young child reading about the power of rose 50 00:03:01,900 --> 00:03:05,500 water and going to the local chemist, and actually buying a 51 00:03:05,500 --> 00:03:07,900 bottle of Rose Water, as probably wasn't anything to do 52 00:03:07,900 --> 00:03:12,500 with roses at all, probably not, but it made me feel very special 53 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:14,400 well that the smell, you know, smell definitely. 54 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,300 We know links into the limbic system of the brain and it's To 55 00:03:17,300 --> 00:03:19,700 mood and emotion. That's I think why smell is just 56 00:03:19,700 --> 00:03:23,600 too important, but it was my grandmother who gave me a Vogue 57 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:26,000 Beauty book. I think it was my 12th birthday 58 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:27,900 and I love this book with a passion. 59 00:03:27,900 --> 00:03:30,700 It was the first hardback book. I'd ever owned. 60 00:03:30,700 --> 00:03:34,400 They were beautiful and eggs full of an iconic pictures of 61 00:03:34,500 --> 00:03:37,500 Mary held in and Jerry Hall and people like that just putting 62 00:03:37,500 --> 00:03:39,300 makeup on and looking so amazing. 63 00:03:39,300 --> 00:03:43,400 And I was completely transfixed by these incredible Beauties so 64 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:47,500 that the power of makeup and yes and Russian. 65 00:03:47,500 --> 00:03:50,200 Yes. Well, and actually, my first job 66 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:54,700 was as a junior in the beach Department of magazines, woman's 67 00:03:54,700 --> 00:03:57,300 Journal, which the glossy no longer existing. 68 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:01,700 And that's why I was really mentored and taught to write and 69 00:04:01,700 --> 00:04:04,800 was writing about health and beauty and actually Focus much 70 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,700 more on health and well-being than Beauty. 71 00:04:08,100 --> 00:04:11,700 And that's I guess where I learnt to research and had a 72 00:04:11,700 --> 00:04:14,700 passion for research and writing which has carried through to 73 00:04:14,700 --> 00:04:19,100 this day and we're you close to the Inside of the magazine at 74 00:04:19,100 --> 00:04:21,300 all. Yes, I don't have an impact on 75 00:04:21,300 --> 00:04:22,500 it did. Definitely. 76 00:04:22,500 --> 00:04:25,200 I mean, woman's Journal was quite middle of the road and 77 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:26,700 Lori. Purdon was the amazing, 78 00:04:26,700 --> 00:04:30,600 editor-in-chief who'd Been a Good Housekeeping, but it was 79 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,300 phenomenally successful and it's time, wasn't it? 80 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:37,100 Definitely and and very much aimed at midlife women, which of 81 00:04:37,100 --> 00:04:39,400 course, is now something that I resonate with and I remember 82 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:41,700 that fashion Department, you know, bemoaning, the fact that 83 00:04:41,700 --> 00:04:44,600 they could only ever feature special offers, if it had an 84 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:47,700 elasticated waist band had to be Incredibly comfortable. 85 00:04:47,700 --> 00:04:51,600 And I did actually have a short stint as a Fashion Stylist. 86 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:53,300 I remember something where we first met? 87 00:04:53,300 --> 00:04:57,300 Yes, 30 or so years ago, I used to do commercial shoots and in 88 00:04:57,308 --> 00:05:00,300 fact, that's how I got into TV through the fashion connection, 89 00:05:00,300 --> 00:05:01,400 really more than the health and beauty. 90 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:04,900 So who do you think you dress for? 91 00:05:04,900 --> 00:05:10,300 Do you dress for your self, your partner other women, or men, 92 00:05:10,300 --> 00:05:13,000 your audience? Interesting, you know, I'm now 93 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,200 currently partner list having having gone through a divorce 94 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:18,500 during lockdown which the whole other Story, which may be won't. 95 00:05:18,500 --> 00:05:21,400 We'll touch on. So I guess I'm possibly more 96 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:25,800 aware now, of who I dress for maybe, but I think I like to 97 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:29,500 think I guess is all women do that we dress for ourselves but 98 00:05:29,500 --> 00:05:33,600 I think there is obviously an element of dressing for others, 99 00:05:33,700 --> 00:05:37,100 I dress for comfort and for confidence. 100 00:05:37,100 --> 00:05:40,300 And that over the years, I've really learned to dress for my 101 00:05:40,300 --> 00:05:43,000 shape and I know what works for me. 102 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:46,600 So I have a waste but I don't have very good legs. 103 00:05:46,700 --> 00:05:49,400 So So I will always wear something that is quite nipped 104 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:52,200 in at the waist tick. I've seen you in yoga like 105 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:56,400 things, you've got amazingly. Well, you know, we all emphasize 106 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:58,800 our, you know, about that are flaws were perceived. 107 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:02,000 Flaws are always blown up on that in our own minds. 108 00:06:02,300 --> 00:06:05,700 But definitely, I would say, you know, my legs are not my strong 109 00:06:05,700 --> 00:06:08,100 point. So therefore I will wear 110 00:06:08,100 --> 00:06:11,900 something like flat-fronted, trousers, that have a waist with 111 00:06:11,900 --> 00:06:17,000 a waistband but actually cover my legs. 112 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:18,700 I Tries. I mean I love wearing trousers 113 00:06:18,700 --> 00:06:21,100 or wear something that's ankle skimming. 114 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:25,000 You know I'm just super happy that I wasn't this age in the 115 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:28,000 60s and having to get into a mini skirt, because I would hate 116 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:31,800 that Hallelujah to that. I can totally agree with it. 117 00:06:31,900 --> 00:06:36,500 So so would you say you sort of found your style DNA, you found 118 00:06:36,500 --> 00:06:40,400 your uniform? I think so I'm not drawn to 119 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:43,200 Fashion in the same way as I used to I think. 120 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:47,400 But maybe that's a process of maturing and being Confident 121 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:51,200 enough to feel that I can be my own person without needing to 122 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:57,000 wear the label the key accessory to show that I'm current, you 123 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,700 know, although Rich enough to be carrying so some fag. 124 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,200 Well and also do, you know, I spent quite a lot of time in 125 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:06,100 Kenya. I got a family home there and 126 00:07:06,100 --> 00:07:11,000 when I'm there I have kind of one wardrobe of, you know, 127 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,000 chinos and a shirt. Do you? 128 00:07:13,008 --> 00:07:16,000 Leave your that your Africa? Why do enough? 129 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,800 Yeah, so I Take pretty much nothing there. 130 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,900 So, I wear the same things year after year, after year, and 131 00:07:21,900 --> 00:07:24,700 they're all pretty much dust colored because everything just 132 00:07:24,700 --> 00:07:27,000 gets covered in dust, which, I mean, there's a good reason why 133 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:30,000 Safari wear is usually cocky because that's the color of your 134 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,800 environments, the color you are by the end of the day, like 135 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:36,700 you're not, you know, you start at White, you end up cocky and 136 00:07:36,700 --> 00:07:39,400 it's very liberating. I learnt that it's just to put 137 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:43,200 on something that feels comfortable that is either warm, 138 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,900 you know, if it's cold or Shields your skin from the Sun, 139 00:07:45,900 --> 00:07:48,800 if it's too hot, And actually, you can get on with other things 140 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:54,000 that perhaps more important or more pressing for your time than 141 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:58,300 being concerned about is this, the latest fashion refreshing. 142 00:07:58,700 --> 00:08:03,000 So it's what you say being stylish is important to you or 143 00:08:03,500 --> 00:08:07,100 less. So as you get older or want to 144 00:08:07,100 --> 00:08:10,800 retain style but you've got your own style, sorry I'm answering 145 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:12,300 that for you, aren't I know you? No. 146 00:08:12,300 --> 00:08:13,300 Not at all. I think it's a really 147 00:08:13,300 --> 00:08:18,100 interesting question, and I think being stylish is Important 148 00:08:18,500 --> 00:08:22,000 and I suppose over the years now, I mean this, you know, 149 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:25,500 being involved in well-being which is pretty much a start-up 150 00:08:25,500 --> 00:08:29,000 really over the last few years. The difference for me with this 151 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:32,000 business compared to my previous Beauty business is that 152 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:35,799 everything is on social media and therefore we are judged much 153 00:08:35,799 --> 00:08:39,200 more on what we look like. And that's the first impression 154 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:42,100 isn't it, you know, being on TV or being on a small screen on 155 00:08:42,100 --> 00:08:46,200 Instagram or wherever? So I am I guess much more aware 156 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,500 perhaps than ever. Sure of what I look like and 157 00:08:48,500 --> 00:08:51,900 conscience of what I'm clothed in because that does give out 158 00:08:51,900 --> 00:08:55,500 the outer impression of a reflection of who I am before, I 159 00:08:55,500 --> 00:08:58,600 even start to talk or write something, you know, I'm being 160 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,100 judged on that initial appearance. 161 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:07,300 It's so true. Do you find yourself judging 162 00:09:07,300 --> 00:09:08,700 other people on their appearances? 163 00:09:08,700 --> 00:09:11,800 Because obviously, we get very judged on our appearance through 164 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:16,900 social media and through being the personalities that we are. 165 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:21,300 But do you find that on reflection your cape? 166 00:09:21,300 --> 00:09:24,400 Your you do that yourself? Yes, I try. 167 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:28,400 Not to because I'm obviously aware that you can't judge a 168 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:31,500 book by it's cover. However, tempting it might be 169 00:09:31,500 --> 00:09:34,400 but I think inevitably, you know, if you see somebody who's 170 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:37,900 covered in bling and wearing the latest, you know, super 171 00:09:37,900 --> 00:09:42,000 expensive, Creations that does automatically set a tone in your 172 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:45,200 mind as to the expectation of what that person is going to be 173 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:46,900 like to talk to. That's a very good. 174 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,400 Good answer. I do think clothes and 175 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:52,000 accessories tell a story and Beauty. 176 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:56,100 Actually yes us to perhaps it's a useful shorthand also because 177 00:09:56,100 --> 00:09:59,700 we can convey who we want to be and we can convey what we want 178 00:09:59,700 --> 00:10:02,200 that story, that narrative to be without actually having to say 179 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:07,500 anything true, very true. My you're living on a farm. 180 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:11,900 So how has that changed your approach to what you wear? 181 00:10:12,700 --> 00:10:17,600 Well, my country wardrobe is I guess different from My London 182 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,100 wardrobe, I spend my time between my publishing company, 183 00:10:20,100 --> 00:10:23,800 which is based in London, and which I love and two or three 184 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:27,000 days a week, and then I'm down in the west country for the 185 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,500 majority of my time. And it's interesting, I was 186 00:10:29,500 --> 00:10:32,400 looking at my wardrobe actually Dan, which at home. 187 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:35,700 I consider West country's been my home base and I have nothing 188 00:10:35,700 --> 00:10:40,400 black, you know, everything, I everything is black in London 189 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:44,500 black or dark Navy, and it's quite sharp. 190 00:10:44,500 --> 00:10:47,800 You know, it's much more tailored and And so, I guess by 191 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:51,800 definition that my country wardrobe is more comfortable. 192 00:10:51,900 --> 00:10:55,000 It's probably a bit looser, fitting, the Fabrics. 193 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:58,400 I'm very drawn to all the Fabrics that I know you love the 194 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:02,200 really soft velvets and the lures and soft Cotton's and 195 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:05,200 silks and fabrics that drape. You know, I love things to cut 196 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:07,900 on the bias. Yeah, that kind of skim the body 197 00:11:07,900 --> 00:11:10,900 that you can move in give you a bit of shape and a bit of 198 00:11:10,900 --> 00:11:12,800 fluidity. And I think that's also very 199 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:15,100 feminine. Where Are You Most At Home in 200 00:11:15,100 --> 00:11:19,700 your clothes Africa. The West country or London, I 201 00:11:19,700 --> 00:11:24,500 think probably westcountry because the I'm probably more 202 00:11:24,500 --> 00:11:27,400 myself there. Yeah, you know, I'm sitting here 203 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:30,500 in London and you know, I have a jacket on which is quite 204 00:11:30,500 --> 00:11:35,000 tailored, which I wouldn't wear at home Kenya. 205 00:11:35,300 --> 00:11:38,900 It's there's no concept of fashion. 206 00:11:38,900 --> 00:11:41,600 Really, it's very B. Very practical you know am I 207 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:43,400 wearing something that's going to protect me from the 208 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:46,900 mosquitoes? Have I got a caller that's high. 209 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,800 A enough to stop my creepy neck from getting sun damage and 210 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:54,200 looking at your neck, it's Immaculate thinking I need some 211 00:11:54,200 --> 00:12:01,900 skin care tips swinging around to how you feel in your clothes, 212 00:12:02,900 --> 00:12:08,300 does your weight, or your perception of your body, affect 213 00:12:08,300 --> 00:12:09,800 your choice of what you wear. I think. 214 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:13,100 Actually, In fairness you answered that question earlier, 215 00:12:13,100 --> 00:12:16,900 in terms of yes, I think, you know, I'd try and cover up. 216 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:21,900 Bulgy bids, you know, with things that skim and a little 217 00:12:21,900 --> 00:12:25,100 bit more forgiving. I can't imagine where these 218 00:12:25,100 --> 00:12:27,200 Belgian Burger because honestly were there. 219 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:33,100 Well, covered. And I do like, showing a bit of 220 00:12:33,100 --> 00:12:35,800 neckline, actually, I think it's quite flattering. 221 00:12:36,700 --> 00:12:40,500 Particularly, if you're not particularly tall like me and 222 00:12:40,500 --> 00:12:44,500 have quite a roundish face to get a sing-along length, exactly 223 00:12:44,500 --> 00:12:46,800 it. So I do like a scoop neck or a 224 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,400 Or a v-neck that has it shows a bit of skin. 225 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:52,800 I have to ask you. How do you stay in shape? 226 00:12:53,300 --> 00:13:00,300 Well, if you check my Instagram, I I do run a lot and I do wait, 227 00:13:00,300 --> 00:13:04,800 I discovered weightlifting in, yes, I saw that and I thought 228 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:09,200 God running in your 50s is quite tough on your on your body. 229 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:13,000 So she who? Well, I think different things 230 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,600 here. I don't run very far and I don't 231 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:19,200 run very fast. So in the maximum, I would do as 232 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:23,700 a 5k, you know, be much more likely to do you know, to 2 or 3 233 00:13:23,700 --> 00:13:28,100 K and and relatively slowly or I like doing speed work. 234 00:13:28,100 --> 00:13:31,200 So I think I've learned to kind of hack into my metabolism. 235 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:35,200 So that would you call that hit? Yes, partly hit. 236 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:37,600 So when it comes to running, it would be just doing a really 237 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:41,400 slow Jog and then doing a 30 second Sprint. 238 00:13:41,700 --> 00:13:44,900 So you're kind of confusing your metabolism and your body and 239 00:13:44,900 --> 00:13:49,000 that can really trick it into To burning up calories and fat more 240 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:50,600 effectively. Yes to that. 241 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:54,800 So that's super easy and it's quick to because I'm time poor 242 00:13:54,900 --> 00:13:58,300 and I like things to deliver in a short amount of time and 243 00:13:58,300 --> 00:14:00,700 that's why I do like hit and that's why I like lifting 244 00:14:00,700 --> 00:14:05,200 weights because I can do literally 10 12 minutes with 245 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:08,100 really heavy weights at home. Like weighted squats, may be 246 00:14:08,100 --> 00:14:13,200 squatting you know 30 35 kilos something like that well and 247 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:16,600 you're seeing that as a real anti-aging to yeah, knowing that 248 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:19,300 the the Studies show that it helps promote growth hormone 249 00:14:19,300 --> 00:14:22,100 which we lose as we age for menopausal women. 250 00:14:22,100 --> 00:14:24,600 It's really important because it's building bone density. 251 00:14:24,700 --> 00:14:26,700 Yep, it's helping your metabolism. 252 00:14:26,700 --> 00:14:32,300 It's doing all those good things and it's quick and efficient 253 00:14:32,300 --> 00:14:35,200 workers over very quickly. It may really hurt and burn at 254 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,500 the time but it doesn't last long fabulous. 255 00:14:38,500 --> 00:14:42,800 Swinging back to style. Do you have a style icon? 256 00:14:43,700 --> 00:14:48,100 I think my style icons would be very a classic. 257 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:54,000 I love Grace Kelly for example and I look very you have a very 258 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:58,100 Grace Kelly. Look, beautiful skin. 259 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:02,400 That's a compliment. I think, I think there's two 50s 260 00:15:02,700 --> 00:15:05,600 icons when everything. I guess. 261 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:07,000 Maybe it comes back to the nipton way. 262 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:11,000 Yeah, lovely. Flared skirts. 263 00:15:11,100 --> 00:15:15,100 And I like dressing up. I like the occasion of dressing 264 00:15:15,100 --> 00:15:16,800 up, you know? They were always going. 265 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,400 For cocktails and things. Went there looking very elegant 266 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:22,100 and yeah, just a simple String of Pearls or something. 267 00:15:22,100 --> 00:15:25,000 That was quite clean. But I always think you look very 268 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:29,300 polished and I think the 50s was a very polished era was in the 269 00:15:29,300 --> 00:15:31,500 yes. I mean I don't go as far as you 270 00:15:31,500 --> 00:15:34,800 know going out with a handbag and a hat and gloves but I think 271 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:37,600 I would have suited that era. I would have been quite 272 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:39,700 comfortable. Had I been born then and a 273 00:15:39,708 --> 00:15:43,300 sandwich in your handbag? Yes maybe a marmalade one mom, 274 00:15:45,100 --> 00:15:46,800 what do you most enjoy shopping for? 275 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:49,800 Oh, gosh, actually, I love shopping. 276 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,800 I have five kids, and I love shopping for clothes for them. 277 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:56,600 Oh, lovely, because they are closed horses. 278 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:58,900 All of them. In fact, my middle boy is has 279 00:15:58,900 --> 00:16:02,200 been doing, some modeling has been, you know, I've worked on 280 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:04,900 set with him professionally, which has been quite fun, so and 281 00:16:04,900 --> 00:16:09,100 they do all wear clothes really well, and they're very different 282 00:16:09,100 --> 00:16:12,000 in their Styles. So my eldest daughter Lily, she 283 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:15,700 has bright pink hair, and she's quite eclectic and very into 284 00:16:15,700 --> 00:16:18,800 vintage. I'm quite retro and my younger 285 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:21,600 daughter Briella has bright purple hair, so they look like 286 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,400 two little sort of troll doll. He's when they're together, and 287 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:27,000 she's very edgy. So, she hangs out in shoreditch 288 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:31,100 and East London, and she's quite East End, and then my youngest 289 00:16:31,100 --> 00:16:33,300 boy, I don't know where he gets it from, because he goes to a 290 00:16:33,300 --> 00:16:36,300 very Traditional School in the west country, but he dresses 291 00:16:36,300 --> 00:16:41,300 like some New York rapper and is fabulous, has got his own style 292 00:16:41,300 --> 00:16:44,200 completely, you know, where as his friends are instead of 293 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:46,800 Tweed, trousers, he they're looking very different. 294 00:16:46,900 --> 00:16:52,400 Really cool is age. A consideration to how you dress 295 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:54,600 then with, you know, you've got these. 296 00:16:54,700 --> 00:16:58,200 There's lovely family around you who clearly found their own 297 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:00,100 style. It's quite funny. 298 00:17:00,100 --> 00:17:02,900 They used to really annoy me my girls, particularly because they 299 00:17:02,900 --> 00:17:07,500 would just borrow everything 40. Stroke steal everything but now 300 00:17:07,500 --> 00:17:09,900 I read their wardrobes. Oh I love it. 301 00:17:09,900 --> 00:17:11,800 Which is quite fun. What do you find yourself 302 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:15,500 reaching for the most? So they can were quite unusual 303 00:17:15,500 --> 00:17:17,900 Footwear. So I think, Quite fun, not to 304 00:17:17,900 --> 00:17:20,900 have to go and buy a pair of, you know, extraordinary 305 00:17:20,900 --> 00:17:24,599 platforms or amazing lilies. Got some great high-heeled 306 00:17:24,599 --> 00:17:27,200 glitter shoes which you know, I would never by myself. 307 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:29,600 But just once in a while there is that occasion isn't there? 308 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:31,400 When actually they're gonna look really cool. 309 00:17:32,300 --> 00:17:36,100 So I have been known to borrow some of their things or maybe 310 00:17:36,100 --> 00:17:41,600 accessories more than clothes. So, yeah, I mean, I just love 311 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,800 the color of the chameleon element of clothes and being 312 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:49,600 able to change and transform. Warm, but not be bound by it. 313 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:52,100 I think we're a lot less prescriptive these days. 314 00:17:52,100 --> 00:17:53,900 I mean, you and I have been around long enough to remember 315 00:17:53,900 --> 00:17:57,500 the days when you would walk out and everybody was in a roar 316 00:17:57,500 --> 00:18:00,000 Oscar, it was a really beautiful lace in it. 317 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,200 Yes, Tabo door. Yeah, absolutely. 318 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:05,000 And if you weren't wearing that, you didn't feel that you were 319 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:06,300 part of the gang. Yep. 320 00:18:06,500 --> 00:18:11,500 I don't feel that now so much far less and I think with 321 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:16,800 vintage and Recycling and upcycling, it's far cooler. 322 00:18:16,900 --> 00:18:20,800 Actually, just to be yourself be different and to wear something 323 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:23,800 that actually nobody else has seen or put a look together. 324 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:27,100 That is very different and unique, whereas I think, when I 325 00:18:27,108 --> 00:18:30,200 think back to when I started, my first job was at Molton Brown in 326 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:33,100 South Molton Street, when it was this little Bijou hairdresser 327 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:36,900 and it was a very trendy street full of little individual shops, 328 00:18:36,900 --> 00:18:39,700 not like, it is now with the chains, but it had lots of small 329 00:18:39,700 --> 00:18:44,300 fashion boutiques and you felt that you had to conform and be 330 00:18:44,300 --> 00:18:46,500 wearing the latest thing. Otherwise you didn't fit in 331 00:18:46,500 --> 00:18:48,100 walk. Calm down that street. 332 00:18:48,100 --> 00:18:51,000 Whereas now I think if you walk down any staff Fashion Center, 333 00:18:51,100 --> 00:18:54,800 everybody is very diverse. And don't you think that 334 00:18:54,800 --> 00:19:00,200 actually how you wear something, you know, your posture, your, 335 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:02,600 your Chemistry perception solutely, you know your 336 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:06,200 confidence. Actually says, a lot. 337 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:09,600 I think you can transform what you're wearing if you carry it 338 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:10,700 off. Well don't you? 339 00:19:10,700 --> 00:19:13,500 And you do setup and your tummies in and your shoulders we 340 00:19:13,500 --> 00:19:16,700 both suck it up and deal shoulders back immediately. 341 00:19:17,500 --> 00:19:20,000 Strengthening our pelvic floor and all of that. 342 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:25,200 So so yes I think, you know, clothes maybe that's why I feel 343 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,400 more relaxed in the country because I don't wear tight 344 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,600 tailoring, so I don't feel that I have distracted. 345 00:19:30,700 --> 00:19:33,400 Yes, I'm just in sort of, you know, jeans and a jumper 346 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:35,300 usually. So it's a bit more relaxed. 347 00:19:36,100 --> 00:19:38,400 Do you have one item of clothing? 348 00:19:38,500 --> 00:19:40,300 That really means the world to you. 349 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,700 Yes, and Lily shrank it in the wash and actually I hope she 350 00:19:43,700 --> 00:19:46,000 doesn't listen to this because she was incredibly upset. 351 00:19:46,900 --> 00:19:50,800 It's just a very, very simple funnel neck cashmere sweater, 352 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:53,600 which I got from a brand called Conley back in the day. 353 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,300 It started by Joseph. Well, yes, exactly. 354 00:19:56,300 --> 00:20:02,800 And now still run by Joseph died a few years ago and Isabel they 355 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:06,800 really his wife still runs it. Well I shall have to go and pay 356 00:20:06,808 --> 00:20:09,000 them a visit and see whether they still make it because it 357 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,700 was just a very fine navy blue. I think I bought it in the sale 358 00:20:12,700 --> 00:20:16,100 when they were in a muse behind belgrave square or yes. 359 00:20:16,100 --> 00:20:19,600 Yes yes. And I just loved it and maybe 360 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:22,200 it's because I met my ex-husband when I was wearing it and he 361 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:26,200 used to love it and it was just one of those great sweaters, 362 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:30,400 which I wore, you know, almost daily for, I think 20 years and 363 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:34,000 it was like a comfort blanket and Lily hasn't been very well. 364 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:35,900 So, she would often get very cold. 365 00:20:35,900 --> 00:20:38,600 She has an autoimmune issue, and I remember her coming stay with 366 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,800 me and she was cold, so, I lent her my jumper because I knew it 367 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:44,500 would keep her warm. It's like, wearing a big hug and 368 00:20:44,500 --> 00:20:46,400 then she wanted to wash it before. 369 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,700 Give it Back to me and unfortunately Shrine kids put it 370 00:20:49,700 --> 00:20:53,300 in BIO detergent. I would imagine because that's 371 00:20:53,300 --> 00:20:55,900 what without reshape it. No, no. 372 00:20:55,900 --> 00:20:58,700 That's what killed it in the first place. 373 00:20:59,100 --> 00:21:02,900 I think send us send it over to her cashmere specialist. 374 00:21:02,900 --> 00:21:05,000 I might have to do that because you know, when you find that 375 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,800 favorite piece that you just love and also clothes have 376 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:09,600 memories. Well, I was going to say it's a 377 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:13,400 bit that that's really the question that, you know, an item 378 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:18,000 that has a story to tell well II Keep things for a long time. 379 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,500 I'm bit of a hoarder, and I don't know that my style has 380 00:21:21,500 --> 00:21:25,400 particularly changed over the years because I've got things in 381 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,600 my wardrobe, you know, which I bought for my honeymoon, for 382 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:33,600 example, which was what 23 or so years ago that I still wear. 383 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,400 And I love wearing them because I can remember why I bought it. 384 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:40,100 And when I first wore it, or if I bought something for an award 385 00:21:40,100 --> 00:21:43,300 ceremony and it, you know, it's still in the wardrobe and then 386 00:21:43,300 --> 00:21:46,600 it comes out again, you've got all those happy happy, memories 387 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:50,300 are Attached. Do you have holds any particular 388 00:21:50,300 --> 00:21:54,900 look that you think back on and think, oh my God, why did I 389 00:21:54,900 --> 00:21:56,600 wear? Well, you know, we mentioned 390 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,900 rah-rah skirts and leggings. I mean, there was a time I think 391 00:21:59,900 --> 00:22:03,000 it was when Norma Kamali came to the UK. 392 00:22:03,500 --> 00:22:07,900 And she had these amazing raw skirts in sweatshirt Fabric and 393 00:22:07,900 --> 00:22:11,700 she teamed them with padded shoulder sweatshirts. 394 00:22:12,100 --> 00:22:15,500 With little Roar Oscar. Yes, and probably cut off 395 00:22:15,500 --> 00:22:18,900 leggings and Again, I think I was working in South Molton 396 00:22:18,900 --> 00:22:21,400 street at the time. And that was that literally was 397 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,700 my uniform. Usually, warm with a padded 398 00:22:23,700 --> 00:22:25,900 headband as well. That sounds like quite a sort of 399 00:22:25,900 --> 00:22:28,100 Bananarama moment. I guess it was, it would have 400 00:22:28,100 --> 00:22:32,200 been around that time. Definitely, definitely you seem 401 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:36,200 keep that one of the ones that we're glad, that's not in the 402 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:40,500 archive, but I'd sure about your daughters would love it. 403 00:22:40,500 --> 00:22:42,800 Oh my goodness, they would totally be all over there. 404 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:47,500 Yeah, you seem so ordered and Sized. 405 00:22:48,100 --> 00:22:49,900 Do you plan before you go shopping? 406 00:22:49,900 --> 00:22:52,800 Do you plan? What you need or what you're 407 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,600 looking for? Or are you a bit of a secret 408 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,100 impulse buyer? I occasionally, something will 409 00:22:58,100 --> 00:23:01,300 catch my eye and, you know, particularly now thankfully that 410 00:23:01,300 --> 00:23:03,800 we're all back out in the open and wandering around looking at 411 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:07,900 Shops and having access to things, or a lot of the online 412 00:23:07,900 --> 00:23:10,300 retailers now. And of course, the algorithms 413 00:23:10,300 --> 00:23:12,400 are so clever aren't, they don't know exactly what you've been 414 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,000 looking at. So they're frightening leak. 415 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,600 Leonard, I send you a little personal email going. 416 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,100 Perhaps you might like to see the new collection from San 417 00:23:19,100 --> 00:23:21,300 Antonio, or that's nice hadn't thought about that. 418 00:23:21,500 --> 00:23:25,700 So I do occasionally, get tempted but I guess at the end 419 00:23:25,700 --> 00:23:27,700 of the day, this probably isn't the right thing to say here. 420 00:23:27,700 --> 00:23:32,800 But clothes are not a priority for me, and they serve a 421 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:36,200 purpose. They are obviously to be clothed 422 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:40,400 and to be warm and comfortable and I wear them for work to 423 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,000 project a certain image or a being on social media. 424 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,300 Now, I probably have far more things than I need. 425 00:23:46,700 --> 00:23:49,500 You can't just turn up, you know, filming a podcast and 426 00:23:49,500 --> 00:23:52,000 where the same thing, you know, week after week after week, 427 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,400 everyone get very bored and think is that all? 428 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,500 She has really. So I do have a much greater 429 00:23:57,500 --> 00:24:01,100 turnover of clothes. I mean on that note, would you 430 00:24:01,100 --> 00:24:03,800 would you ever rent? I have rented. 431 00:24:03,900 --> 00:24:08,200 I've rented a couple of things. It didn't actually go terribly 432 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,200 well, logistically, because the first thing I rented didn't 433 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,600 arrive, and then when it came, it was too late at missed the 434 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,200 event. And then when I returned it, 435 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:17,000 they lost. It. 436 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,600 So they said I hadn't returned it when I had to I personally I 437 00:24:19,608 --> 00:24:22,500 didn't have a good experience but I think if you can make it 438 00:24:22,500 --> 00:24:25,200 work then yes, definitely then it. 439 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,500 I love the concept of it. I just think that the 440 00:24:27,500 --> 00:24:30,800 practicalities Pat's need to be a bit more sorted and as so. 441 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,800 How often would you say you spring clean your wardrobe. 442 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:38,200 I tend to have to wardrobes like I guess like you know, a lot of 443 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:44,600 people who are in fashion. So summer winter and I'm 444 00:24:44,900 --> 00:24:48,600 passionately an time off. If so, I will do a massive sort 445 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,500 out of all my woolens, at the end of give us your secrets. 446 00:24:51,500 --> 00:24:54,700 So well, washing them, it's really important because it's 447 00:24:54,700 --> 00:24:59,800 not the moth, it's the Lavi. Yeah, that eat what larval of 448 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:03,400 is, they love to munch on Old food stains because that gives 449 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,500 them, which is why we always end up with holes in the front of 450 00:25:06,500 --> 00:25:07,500 us. Where are, you know, why 451 00:25:07,500 --> 00:25:09,700 exactly? Why is that whole always in the 452 00:25:09,700 --> 00:25:12,900 most obvious, bit of whatever it is, you put away? 453 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,400 Well, the reason is because you possibly had a microscopic crumb 454 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,000 of Thing that landed there, which you haven't seen yet. 455 00:25:19,300 --> 00:25:21,600 So you might think, oh, this is clean up, pop it away. 456 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:25,000 But actually moth comes along lays the eggs, the lobby come 457 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:28,900 out and go ooh yummy nice bit of munchy you know said stick 458 00:25:28,900 --> 00:25:30,800 whatever or super Whatever It Is. 459 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,600 Invisible to the naked eye but the larvae love it and that's 460 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,600 when you end up having lots of holes. 461 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:40,300 So I you know, I'm vigorously, washing pretty much everything 462 00:25:40,300 --> 00:25:45,400 before putting it away and having lots of moth decoys 463 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,700 around trying, Keep them away from me. 464 00:25:47,700 --> 00:25:51,600 Lavender lavender Works to a point but there's actually a 465 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:56,000 great mouth decoy which is based on pheromones that sterilize has 466 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,900 the moths. So they don't actually want to 467 00:25:58,900 --> 00:26:01,700 then, or they can't mate. It actually confuses them, it 468 00:26:01,700 --> 00:26:04,700 confuses, the male moth, so that he then goes and lands on 469 00:26:04,700 --> 00:26:07,700 another male. It's all very, very, very, very 470 00:26:07,700 --> 00:26:11,200 socially diverse. And and then under cover in one 471 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:15,500 thing happens, exactly. It's not, but it just kind of 472 00:26:15,500 --> 00:26:18,900 cuts the life, The lovey without actually killing them off, but 473 00:26:18,900 --> 00:26:21,600 you do end up with with no more larvae, which is really handy, 474 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,900 why I need to know that travel, hmm? 475 00:26:25,900 --> 00:26:30,100 I know you travel a lot. Do you pay particular attention 476 00:26:30,100 --> 00:26:34,400 to what your airport? Look is going to be airport. 477 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,500 Look, not really. I travel for comfort. 478 00:26:37,500 --> 00:26:42,100 So I've got things like bamboo leggings and I dressed in layers 479 00:26:42,100 --> 00:26:44,400 because I find when you're traveling, the airplane is 480 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,600 either too hot, or too cold. I have a try. 481 00:26:46,700 --> 00:26:49,400 Evil wrap, this lovely company in Scotland that I buy travel 482 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,300 wraps from and they're like big blankets that you can wrap 483 00:26:52,300 --> 00:26:56,900 yourself up in which a really good for traveling and you know, 484 00:26:56,900 --> 00:27:00,200 I'm much more practical I guess in terms of I need to have my 485 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:05,000 earplugs with me and my eye mask and my you haven't so ordered 486 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,300 and organized. So you are clearly a good 487 00:27:08,300 --> 00:27:12,500 Packer, I won't even ask you if you're a bad Packer I am I think 488 00:27:12,500 --> 00:27:15,800 a good Packer what I do when I'm packing for a trip. 489 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:19,800 As I do is put Thing out on the floor and I go through my diary. 490 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,600 So, if I'm away for say, six days, I say write that six 491 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,100 evenings. I'm not going to take more than 492 00:27:25,100 --> 00:27:29,900 safe for evening, looks with me because any more than that, I'm 493 00:27:29,900 --> 00:27:32,100 just never going to wear it, you know, I used to go away with 494 00:27:32,100 --> 00:27:34,700 huge amounts of luggage and then realize that at least half of it 495 00:27:34,700 --> 00:27:37,900 never got worn. So trying to imagine in your 496 00:27:37,900 --> 00:27:40,400 mind's eye, what you're going to be wearing you know Monday 497 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,300 lunchtime and are you going to change Monday evening where 498 00:27:43,300 --> 00:27:45,500 you're going to be? What are you going to need? 499 00:27:45,500 --> 00:27:48,100 Is there something that you Kind of tart up with a sparkly 500 00:27:48,100 --> 00:27:52,100 cardigan or something and so I kind of get everything out and 501 00:27:52,100 --> 00:27:55,500 then edit it and do a curl and put half of it away before 502 00:27:55,500 --> 00:27:57,500 packing, it God, that disciplined. 503 00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,800 I mean, how many bags do you honestly? 504 00:27:59,900 --> 00:28:02,500 Take, if you're not going away for just overnight? 505 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,100 I know. I would always stick to my 506 00:28:05,100 --> 00:28:08,300 luggage allowance. You are a good girl. 507 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,300 I know is now. That's a bit. 508 00:28:10,500 --> 00:28:13,100 That's a bit. I really hope my partner's not 509 00:28:13,100 --> 00:28:16,500 listening to this but it cause it's crazy, isn't it? 510 00:28:16,700 --> 00:28:20,100 Often an excess, you know, an extra bag or two is not actually 511 00:28:20,100 --> 00:28:21,900 that much in the scheme of things, particularly, if it's 512 00:28:21,900 --> 00:28:24,100 going to give you a lot of pleasure with all the extra, 513 00:28:24,100 --> 00:28:25,900 lovely things that you might have packed in it. 514 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,000 But I'm conditioned into thinking, write my ticket says, 515 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,100 I can have one bag of 23, kilos and one hand luggage. 516 00:28:32,100 --> 00:28:34,900 No more than 10 kilos that when you had girl at school. 517 00:28:34,900 --> 00:28:38,900 Well prefect, I was a senior sixer in the brownies. 518 00:28:38,900 --> 00:28:41,900 Does that count? I think that says it all. 519 00:28:41,900 --> 00:28:44,300 Doesn't it? Which brand? 520 00:28:44,300 --> 00:28:46,900 Is your guilty secret and why? Why? 521 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,100 Oh, I've got a few things from Gucci. 522 00:28:49,100 --> 00:28:53,600 I haven't bought anything from Gucci for a while, back in the 523 00:28:53,608 --> 00:28:56,400 day, when I was, I guess, more in London. 524 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,200 I would and going to more events and things I would occasionally 525 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,100 buy something. And I also remember going into 526 00:29:03,100 --> 00:29:07,100 Donna Karan in Bond Street and buying some Classics but again, 527 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:12,100 I try and look at cost per wear, so such a great justification, 528 00:29:12,100 --> 00:29:13,800 is it? But honestly, seriously wounded 529 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,900 when you do wear something a hundred times, I've used that 530 00:29:17,900 --> 00:29:22,000 reasoning so many times in pays off the longer we live. 531 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,500 The cheaper our clothes get? So absolutely. 532 00:29:25,500 --> 00:29:29,000 I'm all for that. Do you have a particular Zoom? 533 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,900 Look. My zoom look is obviously only 534 00:29:32,900 --> 00:29:36,000 from the waist up you know like a news reader Allah from being 535 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,300 kind of PJs and slippers underneath them. 536 00:29:38,300 --> 00:29:45,400 Then a nice jacket that we love Zoom but no I don't tend to have 537 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,700 that the same thing. NG what I find quite terrifying 538 00:29:48,700 --> 00:29:51,100 is when you're doing a presentation or something on 539 00:29:51,100 --> 00:29:54,300 Zoom, or I did it recently with a podcast on Zoom, which I 540 00:29:54,308 --> 00:29:57,500 thought was just audio. And then when it went live, I 541 00:29:57,500 --> 00:30:00,700 saw it and it was actually videoed and I was in a like, a 542 00:30:00,700 --> 00:30:04,600 little strappy yoga top, my hair pulled back and, you know, make 543 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,500 up my thinking, oh my goodness, I wish I'd known that, that was 544 00:30:07,500 --> 00:30:10,900 being being videoed because the one investment actually that I 545 00:30:10,900 --> 00:30:14,900 do have when I do zooms or social media or anything is 546 00:30:14,900 --> 00:30:19,200 lighting, Because you can lighting covers a multitude of 547 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:20,700 sins. If you have good lighting, you 548 00:30:20,700 --> 00:30:24,200 know, you don't need Photoshop. Retouching, all the rest of it. 549 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,600 You know, a good light were in the right place. 550 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:31,100 Will blur out so much. And can I just say, blur out 551 00:30:31,100 --> 00:30:34,400 what really? This is the one with the glowing 552 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:38,600 youthful skin. Goodness, High Street. 553 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:44,200 Favorite, I try not to buy fast. Fashion friend of mine is Livia 554 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,500 Firth and she has this, you know, pass, And for sustainable 555 00:30:47,500 --> 00:30:49,100 fashion? Yeah, and she taught me about 556 00:30:49,100 --> 00:30:52,100 the 30 years were 30, where's campaign? 557 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,400 And I think through her, I learned a lot about the kind of 558 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,600 the toxic Legacy of cheap fashion and actually what it 559 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,600 means to those people who are making it often in developing 560 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,700 countries and the women who are hugely disadvantaged. 561 00:31:05,100 --> 00:31:06,700 So I don't want to be part of that. 562 00:31:06,700 --> 00:31:11,100 So I try not to wear the kind of the remnants of modern-day 563 00:31:11,100 --> 00:31:14,100 slavery on my back and it's so true. 564 00:31:14,100 --> 00:31:15,900 I mean are there any particular fashion? 565 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,600 And brands that you think approach to sustainability, 566 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,700 really, what is sustainability really well? 567 00:31:21,700 --> 00:31:25,200 Yes, I mean I like asked with London, they do a lot of yoga 568 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:29,700 wear and Leisure wear Beulah London, which is much more high 569 00:31:29,700 --> 00:31:33,400 end but they have a really strong anti-slavery policy. 570 00:31:34,100 --> 00:31:37,300 I've discovered Brands, like, needle and thread the sequins 571 00:31:37,300 --> 00:31:39,800 where all their sequins are recycled because obviously, 572 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,900 they're little plastic discs. So, you know, we hardly think 573 00:31:42,900 --> 00:31:45,800 about planet. Yeah, you know plastic glitter 574 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:50,500 all That, you know, looks really pretty but has an environmental 575 00:31:50,500 --> 00:31:54,700 impact of that we can find a way to recycle or or buy vintage, 576 00:31:54,700 --> 00:31:57,300 you know, get those things that have already been created. 577 00:31:57,300 --> 00:31:59,900 Don't put them into landfill but just keep them in your cupboards 578 00:31:59,900 --> 00:32:02,200 to wear again, and again, do you buy vintage? 579 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:07,100 I do I do not often. In fact, my daughter Lily, she 580 00:32:07,100 --> 00:32:10,700 buys vintage more often for me, if that when I moved house, not 581 00:32:10,700 --> 00:32:13,900 that long ago, she came with a present with a housewarming 582 00:32:13,900 --> 00:32:16,500 present and it was in a box. And I thought Oh, lovely. 583 00:32:16,500 --> 00:32:18,200 No, she's bought me. I don't know, some scented 584 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:19,600 candles or something. You know what were you would 585 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:24,200 expect for for a new house? And it was a pair of shoes and 586 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:28,300 it was a really fantastic pair of shoes from a vintage outlet, 587 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,400 and they were dark green velvet with little pom-poms on the 588 00:32:32,408 --> 00:32:33,900 front and they were like slippers. 589 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,800 And she said, I just saw these mommy and I thought you would 590 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,100 look so good in them in your new house. 591 00:32:39,300 --> 00:32:42,100 How did they'd be a perfect housewarming present, because I 592 00:32:42,100 --> 00:32:45,200 can see you in them at around the house, they make? 593 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:50,300 He plays amazing. Do you ever think about the 594 00:32:50,300 --> 00:32:54,000 person who's actually made your garment made the Garment you're 595 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,200 wearing? Yeah, country they live in. 596 00:32:56,300 --> 00:32:59,600 I do definitely and I do actually check labels. 597 00:32:59,700 --> 00:33:02,600 Now I used not to but I do look for country of origin. 598 00:33:02,700 --> 00:33:05,300 Yeah and it's a hard one, isn't it? 599 00:33:05,300 --> 00:33:08,600 Because you want to be ethical and sustainable but I also know 600 00:33:08,900 --> 00:33:11,900 having lived in Kenya for many years that it's important to 601 00:33:11,900 --> 00:33:13,800 support people in developing countries. 602 00:33:14,100 --> 00:33:17,100 So you can't just say, I'm not going to Buy anything from we 603 00:33:17,100 --> 00:33:22,200 can't go 180 degrees overnight. I think it's an evolution rather 604 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,300 than a revolution. I completely agree and I think 605 00:33:25,300 --> 00:33:29,100 it's important to know about traceability and I think many 606 00:33:29,100 --> 00:33:32,600 more brands are far more open in a particular on their social 607 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,900 media, you can ask questions, you can see where things are 608 00:33:34,900 --> 00:33:37,300 coming from. I try not to buy anything, 609 00:33:37,300 --> 00:33:41,600 that's to plastic to nylon E. I love all the new Eco Fabrics 610 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,800 things like bamboo. Well, yeah, in Cotton I think 611 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,600 you know, there's a huge amount to be said for At cotton that 612 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:50,400 takes all the pesticides. No cotton production is hugely 613 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,900 water-intensive, hugely water intense. 614 00:33:52,900 --> 00:33:55,400 So that's a big factor to yeah. Yeah. 615 00:33:55,900 --> 00:34:00,900 But lovely that you're so interested in the source and 616 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,700 well I don't get it right all the time for sure and I think 617 00:34:03,700 --> 00:34:06,300 you have to say you know it's progress not Perfection. 618 00:34:06,300 --> 00:34:08,199 Yeah. That's a little bit that we try 619 00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:10,400 and do and just have a sense of awareness. 620 00:34:11,500 --> 00:34:13,100 I've got some quickfires here for you. 621 00:34:13,100 --> 00:34:18,500 Go on high-end or High Street. High-end when I can afford it 622 00:34:18,500 --> 00:34:21,699 and justify it pounds per we're totally bling or bear. 623 00:34:23,500 --> 00:34:26,900 Oh, do I have to choose? You know, it's interesting 624 00:34:26,900 --> 00:34:29,000 sitting here. I've got you know, have no rings 625 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,000 on. I have no jewelry on other than 626 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:36,400 a very tiny pair of earrings so probably bear but certainly a 627 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:40,100 bit of bling in the evenings minimalism or maximalism. 628 00:34:40,699 --> 00:34:44,000 I guess it would have to be minimalism cultural charity 629 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:50,000 shop, charity shop. One awful, bog off, maybe a 10 630 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:55,500 Crooks cute or puke. Oh So puke that there is 631 00:34:55,500 --> 00:34:57,200 nothing. Tell me anything, redeemable 632 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,900 about a Croc, the design, the plastic material. 633 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,900 That I mean, I'm pleased. I am with you. 634 00:35:03,900 --> 00:35:06,900 Steve, has anybody on here? Who's not yet? 635 00:35:06,900 --> 00:35:09,300 No, but we've got to ask the question. 636 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:13,200 I've got to ask the question, sneakers or stilettos, both 637 00:35:13,900 --> 00:35:16,500 skinnies or boyfriends or wide legs. 638 00:35:16,500 --> 00:35:22,600 In terms of jeans I would say stretch skinnies oricon, oh 639 00:35:22,607 --> 00:35:28,200 boohoo, Mmm, boho. But I did once have a fantastic 640 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,600 as it in like a dress to still have a. 641 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,500 No, because I was feeling broke and I sold it. 642 00:35:33,500 --> 00:35:37,600 I wish I'd kept it. I know I had one of those 80s, a 643 00:35:37,607 --> 00:35:42,200 liar denim jackets that I got rid of and I now think oh, if 644 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:47,900 only Madness, never Sports Luxe or rock chick, I quite fancy 645 00:35:47,900 --> 00:35:50,300 myself as a rock chick, but I don't think I can carry it off. 646 00:35:50,300 --> 00:35:53,100 So I think it would have to be Sports Luxe Glam or grunge. 647 00:35:53,700 --> 00:35:57,100 Damn party world PJs. Hmm. 648 00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,100 I think now, we're opening up it's got to be a bit of party 649 00:36:00,100 --> 00:36:05,600 where Trend or Style Style pattern or plain plain 650 00:36:05,900 --> 00:36:09,700 experimental or uniform. Hmm, I think you can have a bit 651 00:36:09,700 --> 00:36:14,800 of both character or cotton cashmere moth proof any 652 00:36:15,300 --> 00:36:20,400 shapewear or sexy lingerie? Well, depends. 653 00:36:23,700 --> 00:36:26,600 What? So, how goes the T-shirt bra and 654 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:31,000 in comes the yeah, maybe, yes, it will title stockings then. 655 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:32,900 Oh, tight. I've never got on with 656 00:36:32,900 --> 00:36:36,800 stockings. I'd love to but bikini or One 657 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,200 Piece, One Piece, sorry, hoarder or editor. 658 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:46,000 I'm I hoard yeah, I hoarding it just comes out again in 10 years 659 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,300 time because the Fashions come back charity shop or retail. 660 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:55,700 Charity shop. Yeah recycled or upcycled. 661 00:36:55,700 --> 00:36:58,200 So interesting. I'm getting more into upcycling. 662 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,500 I'm getting more creative. I think I'm learning from my 663 00:37:00,500 --> 00:37:04,200 girls. So I yeah, I do like a bit of 664 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,700 recycling upcycling rather. I've got a very good local 665 00:37:06,700 --> 00:37:11,100 dressmaker who helps me adapt things now fantastic finally 666 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,400 finally finally one last question at the end of the day. 667 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,400 What do you or don't you we're in bed. 668 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:24,200 Oh I wear. A cotton nighty from a lovely 669 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:28,200 British brand called if only if and they're very fine car that's 670 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:29,500 got promised. Hasn't it? 671 00:37:29,700 --> 00:37:35,700 If only if only the Story of My Life they're very comfortable 672 00:37:35,900 --> 00:37:41,000 and and cool and just pretty so practical and stylish. 673 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:45,500 Hopefully Liz Earle as always when we get together I could 674 00:37:45,500 --> 00:37:48,400 matter away all evening with you. 675 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:52,400 Thank you so much. You've been thank you for having 676 00:37:52,400 --> 00:38:00,500 me. 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