Today, I'm going on a sartorial Journey with Liz.
Earle MBE, Liz has been a trusted Authority in the world
of wellbeing, for over 30 years. She's written over 35 books.
I can't believe it on many aspects of nutritional hormonal
and gut health, as well as being a regular Wellness, TV presenter
and podcast host. She's passionate about improving
The health of midlife women and Beyond especially helping women
from all backgrounds, achieve a better second half.
I've known Liz for over 30 years and I've always been in or of
her passion for making women feel great, and that's something
we share. Whether through the wonderful
skincare range that she created or more recently through her
advocation of health and well-being, she's complete
inspiration as always been so generous when it comes to
sharing her knowledge which she doesn't on almost daily basis on
a social media, feeds totally Inspire.
So Liz, let's talk about clothes.
What is your earliest sartorial memory?
When did you first realize the impact?
Hello. Well thank you very much for
that. Lovely intro.
I think I guess for most of us, looking back the first
recollection of clothes is school uniform and, you know,
being forced into something that we didn't want to wear and
realizing why I was quite a trauma.
It definitely was and I remember going to school and being in
needlework horses because I'm old enough, you know, back in
the day when we used to have such things and we had, I'm not
doing, we had to make our own summer skirt and it was this
dark brown. A-line cotton awful thing that
fitted really badly and I guess that was probably that one of
the moments that it really struck in my mind that clothes
do make a difference as to how you feel and whether you feel
good in them rather than just being something that we throw on
without thinking about and and going back to sort of earliest
memories was skincare, always super important to you know it
really wasn't. And for me my First
recollection, really. I think of being involved with
making products in that sense, was my father was an admiral in
the Navy. And when he came back on, sure
he loved being in the garden and he's a very practical man and he
loves plants that do things. So he would always grow, you
know, the tastiest beans or, you know, something that was going
to be very vigorous and controlling weeds.
And so I learnt from him, the capacity of plants to Do things
and I would make cucumber, skin, tonic and rose petal.
You know what? I thought was perfume and of
course, all went moldy and I had no idea rosewater.
I remember, as a young child reading about the power of rose
water and going to the local chemist, and actually buying a
bottle of Rose Water, as probably wasn't anything to do
with roses at all, probably not, but it made me feel very special
well that the smell, you know, smell definitely.
We know links into the limbic system of the brain and it's To
mood and emotion. That's I think why smell is just
too important, but it was my grandmother who gave me a Vogue
Beauty book. I think it was my 12th birthday
and I love this book with a passion.
It was the first hardback book. I'd ever owned.
They were beautiful and eggs full of an iconic pictures of
Mary held in and Jerry Hall and people like that just putting
makeup on and looking so amazing.
And I was completely transfixed by these incredible Beauties so
that the power of makeup and yes and Russian.
Yes. Well, and actually, my first job
was as a junior in the beach Department of magazines, woman's
Journal, which the glossy no longer existing.
And that's why I was really mentored and taught to write and
was writing about health and beauty and actually Focus much
more on health and well-being than Beauty.
And that's I guess where I learnt to research and had a
passion for research and writing which has carried through to
this day and we're you close to the Inside of the magazine at
all. Yes, I don't have an impact on
it did. Definitely.
I mean, woman's Journal was quite middle of the road and
Lori. Purdon was the amazing,
editor-in-chief who'd Been a Good Housekeeping, but it was
phenomenally successful and it's time, wasn't it?
Definitely and and very much aimed at midlife women, which of
course, is now something that I resonate with and I remember
that fashion Department, you know, bemoaning, the fact that
they could only ever feature special offers, if it had an
elasticated waist band had to be Incredibly comfortable.
And I did actually have a short stint as a Fashion Stylist.
I remember something where we first met?
Yes, 30 or so years ago, I used to do commercial shoots and in
fact, that's how I got into TV through the fashion connection,
really more than the health and beauty.
So who do you think you dress for?
Do you dress for your self, your partner other women, or men,
your audience? Interesting, you know, I'm now
currently partner list having having gone through a divorce
during lockdown which the whole other Story, which may be won't.
We'll touch on. So I guess I'm possibly more
aware now, of who I dress for maybe, but I think I like to
think I guess is all women do that we dress for ourselves but
I think there is obviously an element of dressing for others,
I dress for comfort and for confidence.
And that over the years, I've really learned to dress for my
shape and I know what works for me.
So I have a waste but I don't have very good legs.
So So I will always wear something that is quite nipped
in at the waist tick. I've seen you in yoga like
things, you've got amazingly. Well, you know, we all emphasize
our, you know, about that are flaws were perceived.
Flaws are always blown up on that in our own minds.
But definitely, I would say, you know, my legs are not my strong
point. So therefore I will wear
something like flat-fronted, trousers, that have a waist with
a waistband but actually cover my legs.
I Tries. I mean I love wearing trousers
or wear something that's ankle skimming.
You know I'm just super happy that I wasn't this age in the
60s and having to get into a mini skirt, because I would hate
that Hallelujah to that. I can totally agree with it.
So so would you say you sort of found your style DNA, you found
your uniform? I think so I'm not drawn to
Fashion in the same way as I used to I think.
But maybe that's a process of maturing and being Confident
enough to feel that I can be my own person without needing to
wear the label the key accessory to show that I'm current, you
know, although Rich enough to be carrying so some fag.
Well and also do, you know, I spent quite a lot of time in
Kenya. I got a family home there and
when I'm there I have kind of one wardrobe of, you know,
chinos and a shirt. Do you?
Leave your that your Africa? Why do enough?
Yeah, so I Take pretty much nothing there.
So, I wear the same things year after year, after year, and
they're all pretty much dust colored because everything just
gets covered in dust, which, I mean, there's a good reason why
Safari wear is usually cocky because that's the color of your
environments, the color you are by the end of the day, like
you're not, you know, you start at White, you end up cocky and
it's very liberating. I learnt that it's just to put
on something that feels comfortable that is either warm,
you know, if it's cold or Shields your skin from the Sun,
if it's too hot, And actually, you can get on with other things
that perhaps more important or more pressing for your time than
being concerned about is this, the latest fashion refreshing.
So it's what you say being stylish is important to you or
less. So as you get older or want to
retain style but you've got your own style, sorry I'm answering
that for you, aren't I know you? No.
Not at all. I think it's a really
interesting question, and I think being stylish is Important
and I suppose over the years now, I mean this, you know,
being involved in well-being which is pretty much a start-up
really over the last few years. The difference for me with this
business compared to my previous Beauty business is that
everything is on social media and therefore we are judged much
more on what we look like. And that's the first impression
isn't it, you know, being on TV or being on a small screen on
Instagram or wherever? So I am I guess much more aware
perhaps than ever. Sure of what I look like and
conscience of what I'm clothed in because that does give out
the outer impression of a reflection of who I am before, I
even start to talk or write something, you know, I'm being
judged on that initial appearance.
It's so true. Do you find yourself judging
other people on their appearances?
Because obviously, we get very judged on our appearance through
social media and through being the personalities that we are.
But do you find that on reflection your cape?
Your you do that yourself? Yes, I try.
Not to because I'm obviously aware that you can't judge a
book by it's cover. However, tempting it might be
but I think inevitably, you know, if you see somebody who's
covered in bling and wearing the latest, you know, super
expensive, Creations that does automatically set a tone in your
mind as to the expectation of what that person is going to be
like to talk to. That's a very good.
Good answer. I do think clothes and
accessories tell a story and Beauty.
Actually yes us to perhaps it's a useful shorthand also because
we can convey who we want to be and we can convey what we want
that story, that narrative to be without actually having to say
anything true, very true. My you're living on a farm.
So how has that changed your approach to what you wear?
Well, my country wardrobe is I guess different from My London
wardrobe, I spend my time between my publishing company,
which is based in London, and which I love and two or three
days a week, and then I'm down in the west country for the
majority of my time. And it's interesting, I was
looking at my wardrobe actually Dan, which at home.
I consider West country's been my home base and I have nothing
black, you know, everything, I everything is black in London
black or dark Navy, and it's quite sharp.
You know, it's much more tailored and And so, I guess by
definition that my country wardrobe is more comfortable.
It's probably a bit looser, fitting, the Fabrics.
I'm very drawn to all the Fabrics that I know you love the
really soft velvets and the lures and soft Cotton's and
silks and fabrics that drape. You know, I love things to cut
on the bias. Yeah, that kind of skim the body
that you can move in give you a bit of shape and a bit of
fluidity. And I think that's also very
feminine. Where Are You Most At Home in
your clothes Africa. The West country or London, I
think probably westcountry because the I'm probably more
myself there. Yeah, you know, I'm sitting here
in London and you know, I have a jacket on which is quite
tailored, which I wouldn't wear at home Kenya.
It's there's no concept of fashion.
Really, it's very B. Very practical you know am I
wearing something that's going to protect me from the
mosquitoes? Have I got a caller that's high.
A enough to stop my creepy neck from getting sun damage and
looking at your neck, it's Immaculate thinking I need some
skin care tips swinging around to how you feel in your clothes,
does your weight, or your perception of your body, affect
your choice of what you wear. I think.
Actually, In fairness you answered that question earlier,
in terms of yes, I think, you know, I'd try and cover up.
Bulgy bids, you know, with things that skim and a little
bit more forgiving. I can't imagine where these
Belgian Burger because honestly were there.
Well, covered. And I do like, showing a bit of
neckline, actually, I think it's quite flattering.
Particularly, if you're not particularly tall like me and
have quite a roundish face to get a sing-along length, exactly
it. So I do like a scoop neck or a
Or a v-neck that has it shows a bit of skin.
I have to ask you. How do you stay in shape?
Well, if you check my Instagram, I I do run a lot and I do wait,
I discovered weightlifting in, yes, I saw that and I thought
God running in your 50s is quite tough on your on your body.
So she who? Well, I think different things
here. I don't run very far and I don't
run very fast. So in the maximum, I would do as
a 5k, you know, be much more likely to do you know, to 2 or 3
K and and relatively slowly or I like doing speed work.
So I think I've learned to kind of hack into my metabolism.
So that would you call that hit? Yes, partly hit.
So when it comes to running, it would be just doing a really
slow Jog and then doing a 30 second Sprint.
So you're kind of confusing your metabolism and your body and
that can really trick it into To burning up calories and fat more
effectively. Yes to that.
So that's super easy and it's quick to because I'm time poor
and I like things to deliver in a short amount of time and
that's why I do like hit and that's why I like lifting
weights because I can do literally 10 12 minutes with
really heavy weights at home. Like weighted squats, may be
squatting you know 30 35 kilos something like that well and
you're seeing that as a real anti-aging to yeah, knowing that
the the Studies show that it helps promote growth hormone
which we lose as we age for menopausal women.
It's really important because it's building bone density.
Yep, it's helping your metabolism.
It's doing all those good things and it's quick and efficient
workers over very quickly. It may really hurt and burn at
the time but it doesn't last long fabulous.
Swinging back to style. Do you have a style icon?
I think my style icons would be very a classic.
I love Grace Kelly for example and I look very you have a very
Grace Kelly. Look, beautiful skin.
That's a compliment. I think, I think there's two 50s
icons when everything. I guess.
Maybe it comes back to the nipton way.
Yeah, lovely. Flared skirts.
And I like dressing up. I like the occasion of dressing
up, you know? They were always going.
For cocktails and things. Went there looking very elegant
and yeah, just a simple String of Pearls or something.
That was quite clean. But I always think you look very
polished and I think the 50s was a very polished era was in the
yes. I mean I don't go as far as you
know going out with a handbag and a hat and gloves but I think
I would have suited that era. I would have been quite
comfortable. Had I been born then and a
sandwich in your handbag? Yes maybe a marmalade one mom,
what do you most enjoy shopping for?
Oh, gosh, actually, I love shopping.
I have five kids, and I love shopping for clothes for them.
Oh, lovely, because they are closed horses.
All of them. In fact, my middle boy is has
been doing, some modeling has been, you know, I've worked on
set with him professionally, which has been quite fun, so and
they do all wear clothes really well, and they're very different
in their Styles. So my eldest daughter Lily, she
has bright pink hair, and she's quite eclectic and very into
vintage. I'm quite retro and my younger
daughter Briella has bright purple hair, so they look like
two little sort of troll doll. He's when they're together, and
she's very edgy. So, she hangs out in shoreditch
and East London, and she's quite East End, and then my youngest
boy, I don't know where he gets it from, because he goes to a
very Traditional School in the west country, but he dresses
like some New York rapper and is fabulous, has got his own style
completely, you know, where as his friends are instead of
Tweed, trousers, he they're looking very different.
Really cool is age. A consideration to how you dress
then with, you know, you've got these.
There's lovely family around you who clearly found their own
style. It's quite funny.
They used to really annoy me my girls, particularly because they
would just borrow everything 40. Stroke steal everything but now
I read their wardrobes. Oh I love it.
Which is quite fun. What do you find yourself
reaching for the most? So they can were quite unusual
Footwear. So I think, Quite fun, not to
have to go and buy a pair of, you know, extraordinary
platforms or amazing lilies. Got some great high-heeled
glitter shoes which you know, I would never by myself.
But just once in a while there is that occasion isn't there?
When actually they're gonna look really cool.
So I have been known to borrow some of their things or maybe
accessories more than clothes. So, yeah, I mean, I just love
the color of the chameleon element of clothes and being
able to change and transform. Warm, but not be bound by it.
I think we're a lot less prescriptive these days.
I mean, you and I have been around long enough to remember
the days when you would walk out and everybody was in a roar
Oscar, it was a really beautiful lace in it.
Yes, Tabo door. Yeah, absolutely.
And if you weren't wearing that, you didn't feel that you were
part of the gang. Yep.
I don't feel that now so much far less and I think with
vintage and Recycling and upcycling, it's far cooler.
Actually, just to be yourself be different and to wear something
that actually nobody else has seen or put a look together.
That is very different and unique, whereas I think, when I
think back to when I started, my first job was at Molton Brown in
South Molton Street, when it was this little Bijou hairdresser
and it was a very trendy street full of little individual shops,
not like, it is now with the chains, but it had lots of small
fashion boutiques and you felt that you had to conform and be
wearing the latest thing. Otherwise you didn't fit in
walk. Calm down that street.
Whereas now I think if you walk down any staff Fashion Center,
everybody is very diverse. And don't you think that
actually how you wear something, you know, your posture, your,
your Chemistry perception solutely, you know your
confidence. Actually says, a lot.
I think you can transform what you're wearing if you carry it
off. Well don't you?
And you do setup and your tummies in and your shoulders we
both suck it up and deal shoulders back immediately.
Strengthening our pelvic floor and all of that.
So so yes I think, you know, clothes maybe that's why I feel
more relaxed in the country because I don't wear tight
tailoring, so I don't feel that I have distracted.
Yes, I'm just in sort of, you know, jeans and a jumper
usually. So it's a bit more relaxed.
Do you have one item of clothing?
That really means the world to you.
Yes, and Lily shrank it in the wash and actually I hope she
doesn't listen to this because she was incredibly upset.
It's just a very, very simple funnel neck cashmere sweater,
which I got from a brand called Conley back in the day.
It started by Joseph. Well, yes, exactly.
And now still run by Joseph died a few years ago and Isabel they
really his wife still runs it. Well I shall have to go and pay
them a visit and see whether they still make it because it
was just a very fine navy blue. I think I bought it in the sale
when they were in a muse behind belgrave square or yes.
Yes yes. And I just loved it and maybe
it's because I met my ex-husband when I was wearing it and he
used to love it and it was just one of those great sweaters,
which I wore, you know, almost daily for, I think 20 years and
it was like a comfort blanket and Lily hasn't been very well.
So, she would often get very cold.
She has an autoimmune issue, and I remember her coming stay with
me and she was cold, so, I lent her my jumper because I knew it
would keep her warm. It's like, wearing a big hug and
then she wanted to wash it before.
Give it Back to me and unfortunately Shrine kids put it
in BIO detergent. I would imagine because that's
what without reshape it. No, no.
That's what killed it in the first place.
I think send us send it over to her cashmere specialist.
I might have to do that because you know, when you find that
favorite piece that you just love and also clothes have
memories. Well, I was going to say it's a
bit that that's really the question that, you know, an item
that has a story to tell well II Keep things for a long time.
I'm bit of a hoarder, and I don't know that my style has
particularly changed over the years because I've got things in
my wardrobe, you know, which I bought for my honeymoon, for
example, which was what 23 or so years ago that I still wear.
And I love wearing them because I can remember why I bought it.
And when I first wore it, or if I bought something for an award
ceremony and it, you know, it's still in the wardrobe and then
it comes out again, you've got all those happy happy, memories
are Attached. Do you have holds any particular
look that you think back on and think, oh my God, why did I
wear? Well, you know, we mentioned
rah-rah skirts and leggings. I mean, there was a time I think
it was when Norma Kamali came to the UK.
And she had these amazing raw skirts in sweatshirt Fabric and
she teamed them with padded shoulder sweatshirts.
With little Roar Oscar. Yes, and probably cut off
leggings and Again, I think I was working in South Molton
street at the time. And that was that literally was
my uniform. Usually, warm with a padded
headband as well. That sounds like quite a sort of
Bananarama moment. I guess it was, it would have
been around that time. Definitely, definitely you seem
keep that one of the ones that we're glad, that's not in the
archive, but I'd sure about your daughters would love it.
Oh my goodness, they would totally be all over there.
Yeah, you seem so ordered and Sized.
Do you plan before you go shopping?
Do you plan? What you need or what you're
looking for? Or are you a bit of a secret
impulse buyer? I occasionally, something will
catch my eye and, you know, particularly now thankfully that
we're all back out in the open and wandering around looking at
Shops and having access to things, or a lot of the online
retailers now. And of course, the algorithms
are so clever aren't, they don't know exactly what you've been
looking at. So they're frightening leak.
Leonard, I send you a little personal email going.
Perhaps you might like to see the new collection from San
Antonio, or that's nice hadn't thought about that.
So I do occasionally, get tempted but I guess at the end
of the day, this probably isn't the right thing to say here.
But clothes are not a priority for me, and they serve a
purpose. They are obviously to be clothed
and to be warm and comfortable and I wear them for work to
project a certain image or a being on social media.
Now, I probably have far more things than I need.
You can't just turn up, you know, filming a podcast and
where the same thing, you know, week after week after week,
everyone get very bored and think is that all?
She has really. So I do have a much greater
turnover of clothes. I mean on that note, would you
would you ever rent? I have rented.
I've rented a couple of things. It didn't actually go terribly
well, logistically, because the first thing I rented didn't
arrive, and then when it came, it was too late at missed the
event. And then when I returned it,
they lost. It.
So they said I hadn't returned it when I had to I personally I
didn't have a good experience but I think if you can make it
work then yes, definitely then it.
I love the concept of it. I just think that the
practicalities Pat's need to be a bit more sorted and as so.
How often would you say you spring clean your wardrobe.
I tend to have to wardrobes like I guess like you know, a lot of
people who are in fashion. So summer winter and I'm
passionately an time off. If so, I will do a massive sort
out of all my woolens, at the end of give us your secrets.
So well, washing them, it's really important because it's
not the moth, it's the Lavi. Yeah, that eat what larval of
is, they love to munch on Old food stains because that gives
them, which is why we always end up with holes in the front of
us. Where are, you know, why
exactly? Why is that whole always in the
most obvious, bit of whatever it is, you put away?
Well, the reason is because you possibly had a microscopic crumb
of Thing that landed there, which you haven't seen yet.
So you might think, oh, this is clean up, pop it away.
But actually moth comes along lays the eggs, the lobby come
out and go ooh yummy nice bit of munchy you know said stick
whatever or super Whatever It Is.
Invisible to the naked eye but the larvae love it and that's
when you end up having lots of holes.
So I you know, I'm vigorously, washing pretty much everything
before putting it away and having lots of moth decoys
around trying, Keep them away from me.
Lavender lavender Works to a point but there's actually a
great mouth decoy which is based on pheromones that sterilize has
the moths. So they don't actually want to
then, or they can't mate. It actually confuses them, it
confuses, the male moth, so that he then goes and lands on
another male. It's all very, very, very, very
socially diverse. And and then under cover in one
thing happens, exactly. It's not, but it just kind of
cuts the life, The lovey without actually killing them off, but
you do end up with with no more larvae, which is really handy,
why I need to know that travel, hmm?
I know you travel a lot. Do you pay particular attention
to what your airport? Look is going to be airport.
Look, not really. I travel for comfort.
So I've got things like bamboo leggings and I dressed in layers
because I find when you're traveling, the airplane is
either too hot, or too cold. I have a try.
Evil wrap, this lovely company in Scotland that I buy travel
wraps from and they're like big blankets that you can wrap
yourself up in which a really good for traveling and you know,
I'm much more practical I guess in terms of I need to have my
earplugs with me and my eye mask and my you haven't so ordered
and organized. So you are clearly a good
Packer, I won't even ask you if you're a bad Packer I am I think
a good Packer what I do when I'm packing for a trip.
As I do is put Thing out on the floor and I go through my diary.
So, if I'm away for say, six days, I say write that six
evenings. I'm not going to take more than
safe for evening, looks with me because any more than that, I'm
just never going to wear it, you know, I used to go away with
huge amounts of luggage and then realize that at least half of it
never got worn. So trying to imagine in your
mind's eye, what you're going to be wearing you know Monday
lunchtime and are you going to change Monday evening where
you're going to be? What are you going to need?
Is there something that you Kind of tart up with a sparkly
cardigan or something and so I kind of get everything out and
then edit it and do a curl and put half of it away before
packing, it God, that disciplined.
I mean, how many bags do you honestly?
Take, if you're not going away for just overnight?
I know. I would always stick to my
luggage allowance. You are a good girl.
I know is now. That's a bit.
I really hope my partner's not
listening to this but it cause it's crazy, isn't it?
Often an excess, you know, an extra bag or two is not actually
that much in the scheme of things, particularly, if it's
going to give you a lot of pleasure with all the extra,
lovely things that you might have packed in it.
But I'm conditioned into thinking, write my ticket says,
I can have one bag of 23, kilos and one hand luggage.
No more than 10 kilos that when you had girl at school.
Well prefect, I was a senior sixer in the brownies.
Does that count? I think that says it all.
Doesn't it? Which brand?
Is your guilty secret and why? Why?
Oh, I've got a few things from Gucci.
I haven't bought anything from Gucci for a while, back in the
day, when I was, I guess, more in London.
I would and going to more events and things I would occasionally
buy something. And I also remember going into
Donna Karan in Bond Street and buying some Classics but again,
I try and look at cost per wear, so such a great justification,
is it? But honestly, seriously wounded
when you do wear something a hundred times, I've used that
reasoning so many times in pays off the longer we live.
The cheaper our clothes get? So absolutely.
I'm all for that. Do you have a particular Zoom?
Look. My zoom look is obviously only
from the waist up you know like a news reader Allah from being
kind of PJs and slippers underneath them.
Then a nice jacket that we love Zoom but no I don't tend to have
that the same thing. NG what I find quite terrifying
is when you're doing a presentation or something on
Zoom, or I did it recently with a podcast on Zoom, which I
thought was just audio. And then when it went live, I
saw it and it was actually videoed and I was in a like, a
little strappy yoga top, my hair pulled back and, you know, make
up my thinking, oh my goodness, I wish I'd known that, that was
being being videoed because the one investment actually that I
do have when I do zooms or social media or anything is
lighting, Because you can lighting covers a multitude of
sins. If you have good lighting, you
know, you don't need Photoshop. Retouching, all the rest of it.
You know, a good light were in the right place.
Will blur out so much. And can I just say, blur out
what really? This is the one with the glowing
youthful skin. Goodness, High Street.
Favorite, I try not to buy fast. Fashion friend of mine is Livia
Firth and she has this, you know, pass, And for sustainable
fashion? Yeah, and she taught me about
the 30 years were 30, where's campaign?
And I think through her, I learned a lot about the kind of
the toxic Legacy of cheap fashion and actually what it
means to those people who are making it often in developing
countries and the women who are hugely disadvantaged.
So I don't want to be part of that.
So I try not to wear the kind of the remnants of modern-day
slavery on my back and it's so true.
I mean are there any particular fashion?
And brands that you think approach to sustainability,
really, what is sustainability really well?
Yes, I mean I like asked with London, they do a lot of yoga
wear and Leisure wear Beulah London, which is much more high
end but they have a really strong anti-slavery policy.
I've discovered Brands, like, needle and thread the sequins
where all their sequins are recycled because obviously,
they're little plastic discs. So, you know, we hardly think
about planet. Yeah, you know plastic glitter
all That, you know, looks really pretty but has an environmental
impact of that we can find a way to recycle or or buy vintage,
you know, get those things that have already been created.
Don't put them into landfill but just keep them in your cupboards
to wear again, and again, do you buy vintage?
I do I do not often. In fact, my daughter Lily, she
buys vintage more often for me, if that when I moved house, not
that long ago, she came with a present with a housewarming
present and it was in a box. And I thought Oh, lovely.
No, she's bought me. I don't know, some scented
candles or something. You know what were you would
expect for for a new house? And it was a pair of shoes and
it was a really fantastic pair of shoes from a vintage outlet,
and they were dark green velvet with little pom-poms on the
front and they were like slippers.
And she said, I just saw these mommy and I thought you would
look so good in them in your new house.
How did they'd be a perfect housewarming present, because I
can see you in them at around the house, they make?
He plays amazing. Do you ever think about the
person who's actually made your garment made the Garment you're
wearing? Yeah, country they live in.
I do definitely and I do actually check labels.
Now I used not to but I do look for country of origin.
Yeah and it's a hard one, isn't it?
Because you want to be ethical and sustainable but I also know
having lived in Kenya for many years that it's important to
support people in developing countries.
So you can't just say, I'm not going to Buy anything from we
can't go 180 degrees overnight. I think it's an evolution rather
than a revolution. I completely agree and I think
it's important to know about traceability and I think many
more brands are far more open in a particular on their social
media, you can ask questions, you can see where things are
coming from. I try not to buy anything,
that's to plastic to nylon E. I love all the new Eco Fabrics
things like bamboo. Well, yeah, in Cotton I think
you know, there's a huge amount to be said for At cotton that
takes all the pesticides. No cotton production is hugely
water-intensive, hugely water intense.
So that's a big factor to yeah. Yeah.
But lovely that you're so interested in the source and
well I don't get it right all the time for sure and I think
you have to say you know it's progress not Perfection.
Yeah. That's a little bit that we try
and do and just have a sense of awareness.
I've got some quickfires here for you.
Go on high-end or High Street. High-end when I can afford it
and justify it pounds per we're totally bling or bear.
Oh, do I have to choose? You know, it's interesting
sitting here. I've got you know, have no rings
on. I have no jewelry on other than
a very tiny pair of earrings so probably bear but certainly a
bit of bling in the evenings minimalism or maximalism.
I guess it would have to be minimalism cultural charity
shop, charity shop. One awful, bog off, maybe a 10
Crooks cute or puke. Oh So puke that there is
nothing. Tell me anything, redeemable
about a Croc, the design, the plastic material.
That I mean, I'm pleased. I am with you.
Steve, has anybody on here? Who's not yet?
No, but we've got to ask the question.
I've got to ask the question, sneakers or stilettos, both
skinnies or boyfriends or wide legs.
In terms of jeans I would say stretch skinnies oricon, oh
boohoo, Mmm, boho. But I did once have a fantastic
as it in like a dress to still have a.
No, because I was feeling broke and I sold it.
I wish I'd kept it. I know I had one of those 80s, a
liar denim jackets that I got rid of and I now think oh, if
only Madness, never Sports Luxe or rock chick, I quite fancy
myself as a rock chick, but I don't think I can carry it off.
So I think it would have to be Sports Luxe Glam or grunge.
Damn party world PJs. Hmm.
I think now, we're opening up it's got to be a bit of party
where Trend or Style Style pattern or plain plain
experimental or uniform. Hmm, I think you can have a bit
of both character or cotton cashmere moth proof any
shapewear or sexy lingerie? Well, depends.
What? So, how goes the T-shirt bra and
in comes the yeah, maybe, yes, it will title stockings then.
Oh, tight. I've never got on with
stockings. I'd love to but bikini or One
Piece, One Piece, sorry, hoarder or editor.
I'm I hoard yeah, I hoarding it just comes out again in 10 years
time because the Fashions come back charity shop or retail.
Charity shop. Yeah recycled or upcycled.
So interesting. I'm getting more into upcycling.
I'm getting more creative. I think I'm learning from my
girls. So I yeah, I do like a bit of
recycling upcycling rather. I've got a very good local
dressmaker who helps me adapt things now fantastic finally
finally finally one last question at the end of the day.
What do you or don't you we're in bed.
Oh I wear. A cotton nighty from a lovely
British brand called if only if and they're very fine car that's
got promised. Hasn't it?
If only if only the Story of My Life they're very comfortable
and and cool and just pretty so practical and stylish.
Hopefully Liz Earle as always when we get together I could
matter away all evening with you.
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