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I'm going on a style journey 
with the British stylist, 

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editor, author and long standing
champion of second hand fashion,

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often called the Queen of 
Thrift. 

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She's known for her eclectic 
vintage infuse styling and her 

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belief in the creativity and 
sustainability of re wearing 

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clothes. 
The wonderful BAE Garnet. 

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Hello and welcome BAE. 
Hi, Amanda. 

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Thank. 
You we have met a few times over

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the years, inhabiting this 
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Feels like the fashion world is 
a bit of at a bit of a pivotal 

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moment right now. 
It's a lot of talk of 

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sustainability, a lot of 
greenwashing, and I just 

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wondered where you think the 
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I get asked this and the truth 
is I actually don't really know.

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I don't really know. 
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has changed massively. 
I can only say that in the last 

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five years in terms of watching 
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become as present, as shoppable,
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And that's been quite amazing. 
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shifts, sometimes it really 
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of go, and then it just goes and
it kind of just does. 

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And it did that in terms of the 
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there's always going to be that 
creativity and London's such an 

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incredible place to bring that 
out and, you know, in the talent

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where the where people are. 
So, you know, I hope all that's 

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still flourishing. 
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terms of the planet, I think 
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grow and grow and grow because 
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to do. 
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world is just massively 
overproducing and the business 

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model is to sell more. 
But realistically, what needs to

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happen to sort of readjust it? 
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And actually I knowing some of 
the stats because I do work with

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Oxfam and so I can try and get a
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that. 
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clothes that were overproduced, 
the amount of clothes going to 

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landfill, the amount of clothes 
going to waste is completely 

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unsustainable even in a climate 
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emergency. 
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right. 
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think that what has to happen is
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tougher regulations. 
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that, but I think and feel the 
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you know, that we just something
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has to be more, there has to be 
more measures to stop this 

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incredible amount of waste. 
You mentioned stats. 

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Can you just give me a couple of
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in your brain as being the most 
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I mean, I'm really bad at 
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one stats is that 13 million 
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landfills week 13,000,001 three 
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That's one three. 
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think where I mean, where is 
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I don't, I don't, I actually 
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or those particular landfills 
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Yes, the 13 million landfill is 
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That's just in the UK. 
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people wouldn't know is that 
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than aviation and shipping put 
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And who would have thought, you 
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And so that's quite a well known
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don't know that stat, it's 
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It is pretty jaw-dropping. 
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So are you saying that you feel 
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in your mouth, but legislation 
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is going to going to happen to 
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Well, I don't see how. 
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be any other way because there 
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everyone knows, you know, all 
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producing all the people, you 
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it away like no one is. 
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happening. 
So this is, you know, it's not 

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working with everything being 
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The system is broken. 
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I mean, it's not broken. 
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still happening and all that. 
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other thing that's happening all
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dealt with. 
I mean, I know you spoke at COP 

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21 about ways to decarbonise the
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Do you feel that anything has 
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things have changed since then. 
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in my world is or the thing that
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expert on systems and, and 
produce and all of that stuff. 

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A lot of people are, I'm not. 
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many, many more people are 
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They are buying second hand, 
they are subscribing to second 

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hand and and so that has changed
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would say massively. 
And so yes, things have changed.

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So that's great. 
I mean, you spearheaded with 

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Oxfam style for change. 
Can you just tell me a little 

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bit about that? 
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So 10 years ago I did something 
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and they said, would you 
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know, styling a fashion show? 
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terrified. 
My God, I don't, I don't, I 

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can't do that. 
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it's a really exciting 
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So that was, we did the first 
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And that was called fashion 
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And and then, you know, 10 years
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year, but the idea is really to 
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energy and those ideas and that 
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showcasing different vibes, 
different ideas that there is 

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something for everybody, no 
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That's what I try and do. 
That's. 

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A. 
Monster job. 

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I mean, just run me through the 
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Do you go out to one of the big 
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Yes, I do. 
I I have helped sifting and 

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yeah, and I, but to me, that's 
my, you know, seeing a big 

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cardboard box, I've got a RIP 
open with clothes falling out of

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it and trying to find something 
that, you know, says something 

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to me. 
I mean, that's, you know, it's 

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what we talked about before the 
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That's the dressing up box for 
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So that feels like home. 
That feels what I can do. 

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So for me, I'd I love that. 
I love the chaos. 

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I love kind of going to the 
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that into something that is 
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alluring, that is inspiring. 
Love that, love that. 

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And you have got something 
coming up collaboration with 

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Smartworks. 
And also side note, beginning 

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note, and that is if you are 
interested in clothes and you 

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see clothes as a source of 
pleasure or giving you a sense 

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of power in your life, then you 
cannot not love Smartworks just 

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just in just for us all. 
But Smartworks is basically a 

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charity. 
It's about providing clothes and

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mentorship, mentoring people, 
women for women who are going to

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their first jobs or who've been 
out of work for a long time, who

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don't have the resource or they 
don't have the money, they don't

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have the confidence to, you 
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interviews, you know, with the 
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And, and so it's a, it's a, it's
both things. 

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It's, it's, it's they prep with 
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of how to conduct a good 
interview of. 

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And then they will dress them 
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And then after the interview, 
once they've got the job, they 

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will be given several outfits 
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the way. 
So it's, yeah, it's, it's so I 

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think I've, I mean, in a 
nutshell, I mean, I'm sure they 

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would say it much better, but in
a nutshell, it's about the pair 

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of clothes and confidence. 
No, I I think it's a fantastic 

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cause, but what are you doing 
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I am doing a thristle, a charity
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It's going to be called The 
Village Attic and I have sourced

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at Vista Village and it's from 
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October and it's up for a month 
and I've curated and sourced 

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everything in there. 
I have thrifted. 

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So you'll have a real mix of 
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So I've, I've gone to Smartworks
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and then I've bought lots of 
things that I love from the 

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market from charity shop. 
So it could be a 1970s leopard 

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jacket, it could be a polka dot 
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And then you'll have more kind 
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got all these amazing gems and 
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So all the money goes to smart 
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It's what I want it to be is 
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If you were going to go into 
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shop, what would it be? 
Might be a little Prada dress or

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it might be a leper jacket, or 
it might be like a lovely little

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painting, or it might be a 
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And I hope it's going to have 
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But so I've sourced everything 
but all the money from the 

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sales, 100% of it will go to 
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Amazing. 
What's the best find you've 

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you've found on your on your 
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Oh, so far, what's my best find?
Probably look at polka dot polka

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dot dress that when anyone sees 
it, everyone. 

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So I just want that dress. 
It's a pretty perfect dress. 

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It's, it's actually the 1970s 
polka dot dress. 

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I love that. 
I found an amazing leopard 

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jacket from the 70s, kind of 
sleazy, great bright leopard 

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print. 
So yeah, I found some, I found 

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some. 
Everything that I've got I, I 

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have loved. 
And I think that's, that's 

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always the gauge for drifting 
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OK, well then they might love it
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Can will anyone be able to find 
you there at any point over the 

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the month that the store is 
open? 

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Yeah, I want to go down a lot. 
Yeah, I've got. 

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I've always wanted to be a shop 
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To say when I had my brand, I 
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There's nothing better than than
seeing someone coming out of the

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the changing room transformed. 
You can see from their body 

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language. 
Yeah, it's a good combo. 

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It's a great. 
Combo knowing that you've really

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you've given someone a a feeling
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And a good time. 
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And I love that. 
I know, but I can imagine Paul 

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Smith goes a lot. 
My husband was changing for 

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something and he felt a hand 
like kind of knocking his 

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shoulder into place on his suit.
And it was Paul Smith. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
Now you I have to include this, 

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you famously put Kate Moss in 
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And what was your thought 
process at the time when you 

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were preparing that shoot? 
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I'd never done a fashion shoot 
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campaigns for this fancy and 
cheap date, and I had done so 

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I'd used thrift store clothes. 
So Salvation Army, Yusan Iran 

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became Salvation Army and 
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Prada became poached and Calvin 
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Bulgari became budget. 
So they all look like campaigns.

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But I we, we we did the font. 
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like San on. 
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short, the editor of Vogue saw 
those Alexandra Shulman, and she

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said she liked them. 
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I mean, you know, and she was 
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contributing fashion editor? 
And I was like, OK, but she 

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said, well, what do you want to 
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And I said, well, can I do a 
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Pallenberg? 
Anita was a really good friend 

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of mine. 
Anita, you know, Anita 

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Pallenberg and, and me, me and 
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around Chelsea used to go and 
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And I said to Alex, can we do a 
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Can we just do a fashion shoot 
just using our thrifted clothes 

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from our charity shops? 
Because I'd never done a fashion

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shoot before, I wouldn't know 
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It was all I knew how to do. 
I didn't know star.com, I didn't

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know how the system works. 
So in a way, when people say to 

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me that was the first charity 
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that's quite radical actually. 
It was more Alex actually who 

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was radical because I didn't 
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just thrifted. 
So, So yeah, we went. 

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I remember going round to 
Anita's that evening with my 

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black bin liner of clothes and I
said are we going to do a shoot 

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for Vogue? 
And she went. 

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OK. 
And yeah, and she like cackled 

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her laugh with her great clothes
on and her, you know. 

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Anyway, so we both gathered 
stuff that we loved. 

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Did you know it was going to be 
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No, I no, I didn't. 
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then it was and then, you know, 
I remember, yeah, we said, oh, 

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we'd we'd love Kate. 
And then we got thing back. 

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I didn't even know about 
options. 

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And it's like, oh, we've got a 
Kate Moss. 

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We've got a first on Kate Moss 
and, and Jurgen's going to do 

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it. 
And we said Jurgen and then, you

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know, and and so that was it. 
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actually was the first thing I 
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I knew how cool it was. 
I knew how original it was and 

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we were really lucky at that 
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something quite different. 
So that story, because it was so

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it was second hand clothes. 
So it wasn't. 

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I didn't look at fashion 
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And so it was just it's own 
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Not because we were turning 
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because it wasn't really what we
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We went drifting and we we 
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just fashion magazines weren't 
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So it was quite probably quite a
fresh different sort of look on 

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clothes maybe at that moment. 
What's next for you? 

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God, Oh my God in life. 
Yeah, in life. 

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Well, at the moment, I mean, 
it's funny, I I'm not someone, 

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probably wrongly, I'm not 
someone who thinks I'd love to 

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do another book. 
I'd love to do a book with 

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pictures. 
Can I just say this book is 

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fabulous as I wade through copy 
for my book and, and this is 

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just I, I love flicking through 
it and just those lovely 

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anecdotes from, from these 
amazing people that you've 

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interviewed or no? 
Well, I think that stories 

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around, you know, why what we 
wear matters is it's really 

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interesting. 
You know, people talk about 

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clothes being, you know, they 
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superficial, but actually. 
Ovane. 

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Ovane And actually, it's just so
not about that, you know? 

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What would your next book be? 
My next book would probably be a

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inspired by my favorite star 
book of all time called Cheap 

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Chic by Catherine Milenaire and 
Carol Troy went in the 70s and 

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it's all about dressing for 
style and shoestring. 

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And I really like the idea of 
doing something with that. 

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But I love to have lots of 
pictures. 

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So that's kind of in my head of 
how you do an updated one of 

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that. 
Anyway, I don't know why I'm 

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saying that because it's just 
something that I've been. 

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Thinking put it out. 
There, put it out there. 

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Absolutely. 
Now today we are going on a 

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style journey and it's your 
style journey. 

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So can you talk me through your 
look today? 

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Oh, I mean, my goodness, my 
style journey is my trainers are

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from on because they're very 
comfortable. 

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But usually I wear Martin 
Majello pumps, Abby ones. 

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That's my go to for pumps. 
I'm quite uniform and my skirt 

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is a really old long skirt I've 
had for years and it's from, I 

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think it's from like a High 
Street shop. 

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It's not fancy at all. 
My sweater is an old thrift one 

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that it got and it's black 
cashmere. 

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I love cashmere. 
I love cashmere rollnecks. 

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I like the kind of 70s thing of 
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I like covering my neck. 
I like, I like the cosiness of 

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it And I so I always wear, I 
often wear rollnecks and so this

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one is an A man's one I've got. 
I was going to say, would you 

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say that's a man's one? 
Yeah, this is. 

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From the man's rail in a charity
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And so yeah, I, I like a 
rollneck. 

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And then I always wear my 
necklace, which has got 

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different things on it and my 
charm from Anushka. 

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And then, oh, I've got belt on 
which is actually there. 

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Can you see it? 
It's this is actually Chloe, 

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this season's Chloe. 
So I do like to mix. 

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So I have a Valentino bag. 
So I, I'm quite kind of, I'm 

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more in the school of I guess 
like thrift or high fashion. 

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And if you're mixing high 
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do they do the new pieces tend 
to be designer? 

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Tend to be where, I mean, I buy,
I, yeah, I buy like I don't buy 

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much, but I do on the whole I, 
that's what I tend to do, yeah. 

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Are you very conscious of what 
the High Street are doing? 

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No, no, I'm interested. 
And sometimes, and I think some 

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of this, you know, lots of the 
stuff that happens on the High 

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Street is brilliant. 
It's really good. 

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I mean, the amazing stuff you 
get at good prices, there's a 

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lot to be said for that. 
It's great that people can, you 

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know who be who they want to be 
with clothes and do it not too 

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expensively. 
I think that's great. 

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But going back to childhood, 
were you very aware of your 

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parents style? 
I think I was, I think we always

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are. 
You know, my parents, my father 

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was very stylish in a very 
understated way. 

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He wore, he was a brilliant 
gardener and he always wore, 

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which has become quite trendy a 
long time ago actually, the vet 

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Monte Travais, the blue to 
Travais, which is the French 

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blue railway man's jacket. 
And he always had a pair of 

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secateurs and he was always very
stylish. 

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And then he has his suits made 
at Huntsman, but always very 

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understated. 
But and Simpson, you know, 

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Piccadilly and yeah, he was 
stylish. 

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But as I say, really. 
And my mother. 

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Holly Devlin, who was a an 
editor at Vogue. 

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She was, Yeah, she was. 
She worked with Down at Freeland

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and she interviewed lots of 
amazing people like John Lennon 

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and Bob Dylan and she wasn't a 
fashion person so much. 

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She was a writer and she wasn't.
My mum wasn't really that. 

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My mum's has an incredible eye 
of more object. 

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She's never been a clothes 
person. 

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I would say mum. 
She appreciates beauty in 

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clothes, but clothes weren't her
thing really. 

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So I remember her looking great,
but I don't remember being a 

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very important part of her life.
Actually, no. 

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Exactly. 
But do you remember that first 

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moment that you thought, well, I
feel great in this? 

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Yeah, I do. 
I remember a few times. 

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I remember when I was probably 
8, you know, 6-7. 

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I loved things in a way that 
maybe my sisters didn't, you 

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know, I remember having a 
remember someone came to our 

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house and they'd knitted 2 
sweaters and one was stripes 

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with like pastel stripes with 
pale blue and pale pink and pale

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turquoise. 
And then the other one was more 

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primary colours. 
And I just couldn't, I just 

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couldn't not have the pastel 1, 
you know. 

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And I remember it that being 
like I had, and I did get the 

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pastel 1 and I remember my 
sister not caring which one she 

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got. 
I don't think she'd even 

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remember that. 
And then I had a polar bear 

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sweater. 
And yeah, I remember things that

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I just loved so much. 
Are there any of those early 

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things that you reached for that
now you reach for something 

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similar, the adult version? 
Actually, it's really 

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interesting you say that because
something I did a this shoot I 

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did with Kate Moss for Vogue. 
In that banana print shoot, I 

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used a pastel striped top that 
she loved. 

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I actually gave it to her 
another time and it was just 

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like that one when I was little.
So actually that's just totally 

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brought that whole circle back 
of the pastel top. 

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I did use it. 
I'll show you the picture anyway

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are. 
You, conscious of it, do. 

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You think, well, you just made 
me use something with something 

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very directly to that early top.
But yeah, I think so completely.

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I think that yeah, I mean to 
answer your question, sorry, I 

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sort of went, but I sort of went
deep. 

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I went yeah. 
And I think it's more about that

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thing of being obsessive over 
things or just loving something.

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And I think if you have a real 
love of clothes in that way and 

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to be a stylist or to, you know,
to do what you do, to be, you 

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know, a designer and then to, 
you know, you're writing. 

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But you do, you know, you do so 
much around clothes. 

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I think you have to, you know, 
be an obsessive can't. 

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Help yourself. 
Can't help yourself. 

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It's like a, you know, I don't 
choose to obsess over bag that I

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want. 
It's ridiculous. 

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I know it is. 
And everyone tells me it's shut 

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up. 
I'm not. 

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But I want it and I have to have
it. 

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And I think that that's what 
close lovers have. 

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Did you wear a school uniform? 
Yeah, for a bit. 

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How did that feel? 
Fine, I'm quite, I quite like 

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just being told what to do. 
And what colour was it? 

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Navy. 
Do you wear Navy now? 

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Not so much. 
I prefer black. 

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But do you remember the the 
first piece of second hand 

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clothing that you bought? 
I wish I could. 

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I wish I could. 
But I, I remember the yeah, I 

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remember so often the joy that 
going into second hand shop 

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bought me. 
That and the thrill and that 

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kind of energy that people talk 
about where it's almost like a 

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higher energy, you know, that if
you could live like that all the

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time, then we'd all be, you 
know, But that kind of that 

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flow, that energetic kind of 
flow. 

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I always, I often felt that when
the when I was, but when I lived

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in New York and the thristles 
were so amazing. 

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They've all closed down now, 
sadly, because there's too much 

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for a marketplace for second 
hand now for those gems to exist

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as they were. 
But yeah, I, I don't remember 

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the specific, the first piece, I
just don't know. 

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It's just like in the mix. 
But was it early on that you 

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discovered charity? 
Yeah, it. 

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Was it was early on? 
It was early on. 

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And yeah, it was. 
I think I started by taking my 

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sister. 
I always just was drawn to like 

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old clothes. 
There's more storytelling around

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that for me. 
Did you ever dress up in either 

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your father's clothes or your 
mother's clothes? 

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Yeah, I borrowed my father's 
trousers and yeah, I did. 

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I did, but I I wasn't really an 
extra. 

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I was never kind of camp or 
exuberant around clothes. 

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That wasn't really my thing. 
I was more into the everyday 

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kind of dress up. 
I mean, you have this wonderful 

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Monica, the Queen of thrift. 
What would you say is the most 

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exciting piece you've ever 
found? 

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00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:03,400
I think now it would probably 
have to be that banana print top

445
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,680
because it's sort of given so 
much back. 

446
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:10,280
Somehow it's like this thing and
it's become, you know, this kind

447
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,480
of it's, yeah. 
I mean, listen, you know, it's 

448
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,760
it's, it's known within a very 
small, you know, part of the 

449
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:21,000
world, let's be fair. 
But it it's it's sort of taken 

450
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,280
on something which is kind of 
really nice. 

451
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,640
And so probably that, I mean, I 
don't really wear it anymore. 

452
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:31,600
It's too small, but. 
Did you used to you? 

453
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,800
Used to all the time. 
Yeah, I loved it. 

454
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,440
Yeah. 
Because it's like a kind of 70s 

455
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:36,840
leotard. 
It's actually quite posh. 

456
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:38,960
It's got like a posh Parisian 
label. 

457
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:43,800
It's 1970s kind of Parisian. 
So it was never just, it was 

458
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,960
never like a an unthought out 
thing. 

459
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:48,320
It was never it was. 
It was. 

460
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,000
Someone designed it beautifully 
back in the 70s. 

461
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,800
And do you still own it? 
Yeah. 

462
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,280
Does your daughter wear it? 
Oh, she was going to a fancy 

463
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,520
dress party and she said, can I 
wear your banana top? 

464
00:25:59,920 --> 00:26:03,080
And it was like a camo party. 
It was like a jungle party. 

465
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:04,960
And I was like, of course you 
have to wear something about 

466
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,080
that. 
I'm worried if I get red wine 

467
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,040
still on it. 
And I was like, well, so be it. 

468
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,280
Just drink vodkas. 
Yeah, exactly. 

469
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,040
But she just wouldn't wear it. 
But I like, I love things being 

470
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:15,840
worn. 
Yeah. 

471
00:26:16,120 --> 00:26:18,080
Oh, that's lovely. 
I mean, what for? 

472
00:26:18,120 --> 00:26:21,640
I think some people, I know a 
lot of people, feel quite 

473
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:26,000
intimidated by the concept of 
going drifting or second hand 

474
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,760
shopping. 
What tips would you give someone

475
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,560
who wants to give it a go but 
doesn't really know where to 

476
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,440
start? 
I mean, if you know this idea, 

477
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,400
and I think that's why second 
hand's become so huge recently, 

478
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,360
because people are doing it as 
they would shop new. 

479
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,200
So people are using Vinted as 
they would shop. 

480
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:50,280
I mean any other online shopping
brand, right, clothes brand. 

481
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,360
And so, you know, you just treat
it. 

482
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:55,120
What do you, what do you want? 
What are you looking for? 

483
00:26:55,120 --> 00:26:57,120
Are you looking for a black 
cashmere rollneck? 

484
00:26:57,120 --> 00:27:01,920
OK, so go in and have a look and
look in the men's section and to

485
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,440
go in with something in mind. 
And then chances are you might 

486
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,720
not find the black cashmere 
rollneck, but you might find a 

487
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,720
fabulous burgundy one or you 
might find, you know, a fabulous

488
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,480
shirt that you kind of were 
looking for, but you didn't 

489
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,920
really know you're looking for. 
So it's quite, it's good to go 

490
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,840
when sometimes people go and 
they're like, and they're kind 

491
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,880
of blank. 
But you don't go into High 

492
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,240
Street shops or fashion shops 
blank on the whole. 

493
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,920
You go in curious. 
And so I think that it's 

494
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,080
important, you know, you've got 
to, you've got to work a bit 

495
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:35,600
hard. 
You know, you've got to go in 

496
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,920
with a sense of purpose. 
And I, I would like to find 

497
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,200
something. 
And I actually do believe in 

498
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,560
thrifting karma. 
I do believe. 

499
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:47,040
I've had it so many times. 
I remember going in once and I 

500
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:48,920
want to get something, I want to
find something. 

501
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:50,720
And I went round and I went 
round the shop and I said it's 

502
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,000
nothing. 
But I know there's something 

503
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:53,880
here. 
I know and I want it. 

504
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,120
And you will, you will show 
yourself to me. 

505
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,600
And then I went round again and 
it did. 

506
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,080
And it was a fabulous beaten up 
or denim jacket that I've used 

507
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:03,200
on shoots. 
It was really. 

508
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,320
Like, hey, hey. 
Here I am. 

509
00:28:05,360 --> 00:28:08,760
No, it sound like a lunatic, but
I do believe that, yeah. 

510
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:12,040
I don't know what it is, but 
there isn't, you know, there is 

511
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,320
a kind of, I don't know, there's
something going on in the kind 

512
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,640
of there is something going on. 
I feel like things, things will 

513
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,480
pop out when you want them to. 
I really the best thing I ever 

514
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:25,840
found in a thrift store was the 
Isan Aran Safari suit that 

515
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:32,520
Rushka wore for £500 and more. 
But so 500 lbs is not nothing 

516
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,120
but. 
For flight, nothing for that. 

517
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,520
For that it really. 
And I've lent it somewhere, of 

518
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,080
course. 
Still got it, but, you know, so 

519
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:41,400
that was incredible. 
Yeah. 

520
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,640
Like they're literally the suit 
on on. 

521
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,160
You can't even get that. 
So where are your favorite 

522
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,920
favorite haunts? 
I love the British Red Cross 

523
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,640
around the corner from here. 
Right Touch St. 

524
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:57,920
Yes, it's great. 
I love one near my mum's in 

525
00:28:57,920 --> 00:28:59,920
Chiswick. 
Really, really good. 

526
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:05,040
I love again red. 
Cross Cancer Care. 

527
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:09,480
Oxfam I love the one on I love 
the one on Portobello Rd. the 

528
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,800
British Red Cross and New York 
was on Portobello Rd. 

529
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:16,880
I mean, The thing is right is 
that now, you know, charity 

530
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:21,320
shops have changed. 
So it's just about just popping 

531
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,800
in and there being something 
that speaks to you, you know 

532
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:27,360
that you love and often times 
you don't see anything. 

533
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,800
But I also feel very comfortable
in charity shops. 

534
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,240
There's I feel I've spent so 
long in them and I've, you know,

535
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,640
in a way it sounds, I don't 
mean, I really don't mean to 

536
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,160
sound grandiose, but it's 
slightly been a life's work in 

537
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,080
that sense of like I've done, 
I've saw so much from there and 

538
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,680
I've spent so much of my life in
them that the kind of the chaos 

539
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,080
and the randomness and the 
records and the old CDs and it 

540
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,080
feels, I don't know, I feel kind
of comforted by them. 

541
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,680
I like chatting to people as 
well. 

542
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,360
You know, people are like the 
atmosphere and the people and. 

543
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:03,000
The people that work in charity 
shops are fantastic. 

544
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,880
Like talking to them and having 
chats, what's selling? 

545
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:07,440
And I, I just think it's 
interesting. 

546
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,120
So it's a it's a whole world, 
yeah. 

547
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,200
What do you think is really 
trending in in the second hand 

548
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,440
shops at the moment? 
Pump apparently I don't know. 

549
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,480
My daughter tells me, but I 
don't know is the answer. 

550
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:23,040
I think pumps are a big thing 
online second hand, but I I 

551
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,280
don't know. 
I've I've never been a trend 

552
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,760
trend person. 
So I just, I don't really know. 

553
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:29,760
Is there anything you wouldn't 
buy second hand? 

554
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,560
I wouldn't buy knickers. 
I wouldn't buy a swimsuit. 

555
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,040
I wouldn't buy socks. 
There's a lot I wouldn't buy. 

556
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,040
There's a lot, but you don't. 
You don't get knickers, so 

557
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,880
that's ridiculous. 
But I wouldn't buy. 

558
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,160
I probably wouldn't buy. 
Maybe I'd buy a swimsuit, but it

559
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:51,680
was amazing. 
I probably wouldn't buy my 

560
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:53,160
artwork. 
I wouldn't. 

561
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,080
But I don't like thrift art 
unless it's a kind of real 

562
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:57,920
piece, you know, that's not 
thrift art. 

563
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,720
Does that make sense? 
I don't like things looking 

564
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,560
thrifty. 
I like things looking chic. 

565
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,480
I'm not. 
I'm not into thrift. 

566
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,040
When people say God, you know, I
just love retro. 

567
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,960
I hate that word retro. 
Interesting, interesting. 

568
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:16,000
What about fur? 
Yeah, I mean, I would never buy 

569
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,880
new fur. 
But actually, you know, a really

570
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,240
good friend of mine, really good
friend of mine, her mum died 

571
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:27,280
recently and I went down to look
at her wardrobe and sort of, and

572
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:33,560
she had this insane 1970s Yves 
San Ron Reeve Ghosh mink coat 

573
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,720
with epilepse. 
And she was like, I just can't 

574
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,200
wear it because, you know, it's 
fur. 

575
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,920
I don't wear fur. 
And I said it's amazing on you 

576
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:46,400
and it's a real piece. 
And so for me, I don't mean to 

577
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,480
sound kind of clueless, although
maybe it sounds it, but I think 

578
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:53,080
if something has been an animal 
has been killed for a piece of 

579
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,200
clip for something, I think 
that's horrible. 

580
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:01,720
And I would never now 10 years 
ago, maybe I have bought a real 

581
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:05,840
piece of fur, but years ago, but
now I would never, ever buy fur,

582
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,600
not for years. 
But the fact is that thing 

583
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:13,080
exists and it's died. 
And in a way, and maybe in a 

584
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,720
slightly kind of ridiculous way,
the Marie Antoinette, you know, 

585
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:22,040
I feel like wear it and love it 
because what's what, you know, 

586
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,480
wear it and love it. 
Not, not, not, not by no means 

587
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,280
saying to, you know, so it 
didn't die in vain. 

588
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,920
That sounds ridiculous. 
But but the my philosophy is, 

589
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,960
yeah, you know, unless what 
someone would say to me, 

590
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,480
actually you are promoting new 
fur being cooked, then that's a 

591
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,080
whole other thing. 
I don't know if that happens. 

592
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,680
But yes, I probably wouldn't buy
second hand fur, but I wouldn't 

593
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,680
not wear it. 
If I, my mum gave me something, 

594
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,400
if she had something, I'd wear 
it, yeah. 

595
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,560
I mean, it was a very different 
era. 

596
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:52,120
It was such a different era and 
it's great that it's great that 

597
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:56,480
now that's become it's not OK to
kill animals so that we can look

598
00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:02,560
nice and be a bit warmer. 
You've worked around the fashion

599
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:08,200
industry for so many years, when
do you feel that you really 

600
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:12,760
discovered your style DNA? 
I don't know, in my 20s I kind 

601
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,600
of really experimented and I 
wore SA La Ron and I put my hair

602
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,600
in like a head tub and you know,
like Cossacked. 

603
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,000
I was so inspired by 70s and SA 
La Ron. 

604
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,640
I really went there and and I 
loved that. 

605
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,840
I really dressed up the dressing
up box, but I think, you know, 

606
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,760
maybe even having children 
actually, because after I had 

607
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,400
children, I I didn't have the 
energy or the want to dress up 

608
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,600
in that way. 
And so that's probably actually 

609
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:42,440
when I turn to what's usually my
sort of signature for me, which 

610
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:46,280
is like, maybe, you know, I 
wear, you know, maybe long skirt

611
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,520
pumps and, you know, a sweater 
AT shirt. 

612
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,760
I love belts. 
I've got lots of odds on wrong 

613
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:58,440
belts and I like simplicity, but
with signature details can. 

614
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,720
We talk about belts for a moment
because I'm obsessed with belts.

615
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:08,960
I always have been. 
And I loved, you know, belting a

616
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:13,560
silk evening gown with a bridal 
leather belt because it made it 

617
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:18,400
just cooler to me. 
And I'd love to know why you 

618
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:24,320
love belts so much. 
It's funny actually, because I 

619
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,239
always loved belts and if you 
see pitches of me in the 20s, in

620
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,440
my 20s, I've always got a belt 
on. 

621
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,239
And then actually a really good 
friend of mine, Charlotte 

622
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:38,360
Tilbury is obsessed with belts. 
And I remember like, like seeing

623
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,239
her and her belts, I stopped 
wearing them. 

624
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:44,840
I had children, I put on weight.
And actually it was her that got

625
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:51,520
me completely back into belts 
and, and it really was actually,

626
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,000
and, and, and I think she said 
to me, well, I'm with your 

627
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,920
belts, don't really wear your, 
you don't really wear your 

628
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,040
belts. 
And so now it's funny, I see her

629
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,000
belts and then I, I get inspired
and I'm like, I've got that belt

630
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,320
and I'll find one like hers and,
and, and everything. 

631
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,040
So I think that, you know, 
sometimes it's really nice when 

632
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:12,400
your friends can kind of jog, 
jog you into what you'd actually

633
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:18,400
love, but that you might have 
become a bit not lazy, but you 

634
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:19,920
know, that you've forgotten 
about. 

635
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:21,840
And then you go, oh, yeah, that 
that's me. 

636
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,920
That is my style DNA. 
I'll take that back. 

637
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,240
Do you have a style icon? 
Yeah, I've got a few. 

638
00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:30,560
I've got Debbie Harry, I think, 
was insanely stylish. 

639
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,560
Anita Pallenberg was brilliantly
stylish. 

640
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,720
All the obvious ones. 
Jane Birkin, incredibly stylish.

641
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:40,600
The movie styles of the 1940s. 
That kind of bitchy, evil kind 

642
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:44,080
of Joan Crawford, you know, you 
know that. 

643
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:48,280
You know, the golden age of 
Hollywood, no one looked better 

644
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:53,160
than those movie stars with the 
kind of the leopard and the and 

645
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,280
the silk and the the hair and 
the eyes. 

646
00:35:56,280 --> 00:36:00,240
And so, yeah, contemporary 
people. 

647
00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:04,600
Chloe, 70, very stylish. 
Kate Moss has got great style. 

648
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,320
Not so much like the red carpet 
kind of people for me. 

649
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,680
Like, it's not something that 
particularly speaks to me. 

650
00:36:13,240 --> 00:36:16,400
The kind of lots of celebrity. 
It's not. 

651
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,960
Yeah, you know, it's not it's. 
Not necessarily. 

652
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:27,040
Kendall Jenner's got great 
style, actually, Yeah, I kind of

653
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,120
like that part down. 
And I like people who I like 

654
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:35,360
style where you feel like, I 
mean, well, having said that, 

655
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:39,760
the Hollywood style, it's so 
kind of, it was wonderfully kind

656
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,000
of manufactured, but it was so 
there was something, you know, 

657
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:44,600
it was really going for 
something. 

658
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:48,960
But yeah, I loved that. 
But Marilyn Monroe looked 

659
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,160
amazing. 
Lots and lots of people, 

660
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:55,440
actually, yeah. 
And did those icons, because 

661
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,480
they were icons, do they 
inspire? 

662
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,840
Your your shoots, your Yeah, 
often. 

663
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,640
Yeah, I've done a lot of shoots 
inspired by, you know, I did a 

664
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,200
shoot with Debbie Hashallock 
till we did the make up Kate, 

665
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:07,640
his style. 
I styled it. 

666
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,760
So I styled it. 
It was a cover of of British 

667
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,160
Vogue and it was of Sophie 
Dallas, Debbie Harry. 

668
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,040
Oh, that was fantastic, by the 
way. 

669
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:23,200
But so I, I often, yeah, I often
do, yeah. 

670
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,560
I do often have like a reference
point of somebody for sure. 

671
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,440
You know, I think that if you're
a stylist, I mean fashion, 

672
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,720
otherwise fashion can be a very 
blank canvas and that's quite 

673
00:37:32,720 --> 00:37:34,320
boring. 
I think it has to come from a 

674
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,640
character or somewhere that's 
alive and that's that's been 

675
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,640
real. 
So do you mood board a shoot 

676
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:44,680
before doing it, or is it all 
about the clothes that you're 

677
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,160
gathering? 
How do you go about that? 

678
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,280
Yeah, I mean, sometimes it can 
be a postcard. 

679
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:54,040
I remember for a shoot I did in 
Hungary for British Vogue with 

680
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:59,520
Greneville van Seamus, and it 
was literally like a postcard of

681
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,440
a girl walking in front of a 
building of of a Soviet block 

682
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,080
building wearing pastels. 
And so that was it was the idea 

683
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:07,640
of this kind of postcards from 
the Edge. 

684
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,480
So it's kind of Soviet washed 
out story. 

685
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,240
So yeah, it can be a postcard. 
And other times it's the idea 

686
00:38:14,240 --> 00:38:16,400
of, yeah, like a road trip 
story. 

687
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:20,720
So that could be a still from 
that was a Sissy space deck from

688
00:38:20,720 --> 00:38:22,120
Badlands. 
Yeah. 

689
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:28,080
So very, very like boys movies 
or or music or yeah, definitely 

690
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,360
for me. 
Because otherwise and I actually

691
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,120
when I look at fashion shoots, I
can often see when it doesn't 

692
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,840
have that because for me it's 
just very flat and 1 dimensional

693
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:40,120
and it doesn't doesn't speak, 
doesn't say anything to me. 

694
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:41,200
And there's nothing wrong with 
that. 

695
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,640
I just personally don't relate 
to fashion in that way. 

696
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:49,440
I mean, your partner is the 
photographer Tom Craig. 

697
00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:53,520
Do you remember what you were 
wearing when you first met him? 

698
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:58,000
Yeah, I remember that we were 
going to a party with friends 

699
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,960
and and I wouldn't come off the 
I had a balcony and I wouldn't 

700
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:02,840
come out of the balcony. 
So I was in a really bad mood. 

701
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,440
We were all going convoy and my 
friend was going, darling, we're

702
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,520
waiting for you have to come out
now. 

703
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:09,200
And I was like, no, no want to 
come. 

704
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,040
And I'm sorry. 
I don't remember what I was 

705
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,040
wearing now. 
I was like, it was just like a 

706
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,040
but I but the first night. 
Sorry, I'm going to start that 

707
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:17,880
question again. 
I remember the night that we 

708
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,920
kind of like got it together 
because it was a I can fancy 

709
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,720
dress and I was wearing black 
and I had these huge that I got 

710
00:39:24,720 --> 00:39:28,880
from a thrift store, huge blue 
bright leaf Cline sequin 

711
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:30,920
earrings. 
And I had a clutch to match that

712
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:32,760
I got in Bali. 
And I used to love putting them 

713
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:37,960
together and and red lips. 
And I still have the photos. 

714
00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:41,400
So I was dressed up, which by 
the way, always helps. 

715
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,040
Bit of a fabulous dress up, you 
know, you know, helps the love 

716
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,360
potion take shape, you know, But
yeah. 

717
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,480
But yeah, so I remember when, 
you know, I don't remember when 

718
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,120
we first met. 
So it was just, I don't know. 

719
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,640
I do. 
I was wearing a massive vintage 

720
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:58,800
fox fur jacket with big 
shoulders, quite kind of Crystal

721
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,880
Carrington from Dynasty. 
That's what I was wearing. 

722
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,520
And I felt fabulous in it. 
It was so like. 

723
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,600
It's too much. 
Big statement, big statement. 

724
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,160
And how does he love to see you 
dressed? 

725
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,160
I mean, he sees me of course, in
all sorts of things, usually no 

726
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:18,440
make up tracksuit, you know, if 
it's in the evening. 

727
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:22,520
So, but he's very, I don't know,
maybe some men are demanding 

728
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,520
about how their partners look or
try and say, assert what they 

729
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,920
think, but he doesn't ever but. 
That's great, surely. 

730
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:30,400
That's. 
Great, that's to him. 

731
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:34,800
Respecting my mood, yes. 
And you being the stylist that 

732
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,840
you are too, do you, do you work
together frequently? 

733
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,920
We have, we do work together and
we have worked a lot. 

734
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,320
We've done a lot of, we did a 
lot of shoots together for 

735
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,240
British Vogue when there was 
lots of budgets to go to all 

736
00:40:47,240 --> 00:40:49,240
sorts of places in the world. 
We went to huge. 

737
00:40:49,240 --> 00:40:54,040
We went to Hungary and Cuba and 
LA and Damascus. 

738
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:58,080
And you know, it was really, 
really fun when the kids were 

739
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,320
young and I would sometimes take
them with us. 

740
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,160
So it's kind of a lot, but it 
was fantastic. 

741
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,640
We're so lucky and there were 
lots of budgets, you know, you 

742
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,480
couldn't do well, it'd be hard 
to do that now. 

743
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:13,160
So yeah, we have done a lot of 
work together and he's a really 

744
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,720
good photographer, so it's 
pretty nice, you know? 

745
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,040
Yeah. 
Do you ever disagree when you're

746
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:23,400
working together? 
I I think I can just annoy him. 

747
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,520
I can be a bit like in his ear 
going have you got that? 

748
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:26,840
Have you got that? 
Have you got that? 

749
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:31,320
But, and I'll give suggestions, 
which can maybe be, you know, 

750
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:35,200
yeah, I mean, but we, we usually
agree and we agree when 

751
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,760
something is boring or when it 
doesn't look like, yeah, we, we 

752
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:39,600
do. 
We we do, we are in agreement 

753
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,280
quite a lot if something's not 
right or if it's really good. 

754
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,680
Is age a consideration as to how
you dress? 

755
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:51,040
Yes, I never said it. 
I never thought it would be, but

756
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:52,920
I can't. 
I can't help it now. 

757
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:57,360
It just sort of I, I want to 
sort of like push it away and 

758
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,960
say to myself that the, you 
know, they're part of me. 

759
00:41:59,960 --> 00:42:02,160
That was always like, I'm never 
going to do that. 

760
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:03,720
I'm never going to subscribe to 
age. 

761
00:42:03,720 --> 00:42:07,760
But the truth is, is that I do. 
I just do. 

762
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:13,240
In what way? 
I kind of just think, how would 

763
00:42:13,240 --> 00:42:15,840
this look if I'm going to buy 
something and I want to wear it 

764
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:17,280
for a long time or how's it 
going to? 

765
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,440
Is that going to make me look? 
Am I going to want to not even 

766
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,920
am I going to wear that because 
if I buy something, I will 

767
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,760
probably love it forever because
I know myself so well, but it's 

768
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,800
more like is that going to is 
that going to carry well? 

769
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,520
Does that am IA bit old for 
that? 

770
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,240
Does it? 
You know, just those questions 

771
00:42:33,240 --> 00:42:35,120
and they're not insecure 
questions. 

772
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:42,120
I think they're perfectly normal
questions of of and I've never 

773
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,240
cared what other people think of
me. 

774
00:42:44,240 --> 00:42:46,600
It's about myself and how I 
feel. 

775
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:48,920
Totally. 
Do you? 

776
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:52,040
Do you Do you feel the same way?
Completely and utterly, and I 

777
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:55,880
think clothes should be 
absolutely about how they make 

778
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:59,160
you feel so that you can just 
get on and be the best version 

779
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,400
of you. 
Simple as that. 

780
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:09,520
But in terms of the ageing 
process, do you what Are there 

781
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:15,680
any particular style hacks that 
you feel are useful for 

782
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,720
remaining a little bit cool as 
the years tick by? 

783
00:43:19,720 --> 00:43:22,320
Well, I think what we talked 
about earlier, I think about, 

784
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,880
you know, I think about this 
kind of ageless Jackie Kennedy, 

785
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,920
Jackie Onassis was worrying 
about with her trousers late in 

786
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,440
life. 
So was paid Paley, all those 

787
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,880
Upper East Side women, your 
belts, and I'm just using them 

788
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,000
because I love that. 
That's 70s kind. 

789
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,560
Of they're quite a style 
signifier, aren't they? 

790
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,280
A belt. 
They are exactly and they kind 

791
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,360
of, they're kind of they're add 
a smartness and a Polish quite 

792
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,440
often to an outfit and a star 
signature. 

793
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:56,760
So I think for me, like a belt 
and a bag are quite good ways to

794
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:01,200
really retain for me a 
signature. 

795
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:04,440
I know plenty of women who'd 
look fabulous dressed in like a 

796
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,440
suit and that's their thing. 
They they're really par down. 

797
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,520
I am not that person. 
I'm not that editor. 

798
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,440
I'm not that kind of cool. 
Par down. 

799
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:13,920
A grey suit with a pair of black
heels. 

800
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,600
I've never been that. 
I like stuff too much. 

801
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,360
I like I'm too much for a 
magpie. 

802
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,480
I guess those people don't have 
to think about this because they

803
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,560
just look fabulous all the time 
and what they were. 

804
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:28,320
But yes, I, for me, I think it's
more about the details. 

805
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,760
Maybe as you get older, you 
know, we're both wearing long 

806
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,720
gold jewellery. 
So, you know, it's, it's, it's 

807
00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:39,240
sort of like the tweaks of what 
you love and then maybe keeping 

808
00:44:39,240 --> 00:44:44,440
the base a bit more simple. 
Perhaps, no, I like that. 

809
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:51,200
I like it a lot because I think 
we know our silhouette, our base

810
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:55,880
and then it is about possibly 
that bag that might be a little 

811
00:44:55,880 --> 00:45:01,200
bit quirky or the jewellery or 
yeah, no, I'm not getting in a 

812
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,600
stuck in a rut on our jewellery.
Can we talk about your jewellery

813
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,160
for a moment? 
Because you've got this lovely 

814
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,680
be. 
Sure, I have my purple one on my

815
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:11,560
favorite one, but I'm not 
wearing it today. 

816
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,560
Yes, thank you. 
Yeah. 

817
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:18,840
So this one, Anishka, the 
brilliant jewellery signer, I 

818
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:20,960
was doing the My Life in Seven 
charms. 

819
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:24,280
And this, this is a clothes 
hanger that says I love 

820
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,200
thrifting. 
And it's when I used to go 

821
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,880
thrifting New York, I'd 
sometimes take things to get dry

822
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,880
cleaned and then it would come 
back on a hanger that said I 

823
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,000
love New York. 
So it kind of reminds me of 

824
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,080
those, those kind of New York, 
those New York days. 

825
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,680
Yeah. 
And then this, this was on 

826
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:41,280
something. 
Yeah. 

827
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,680
My mum had on something. 
These are just sort of put 

828
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:45,440
together and. 
Yeah. 

829
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:47,800
And then the chunkier gold chain
that's. 

830
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:49,600
That's the nushka. 
Is it? 

831
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:50,600
Yeah. 
Gorgeous. 

832
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,400
And then I've got a little one 
here, so that is. 

833
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,360
Layers coming out of the roll 
neck. 

834
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:02,880
That is cross and then I've got 
AB actually Charlotte gave me, I

835
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:06,720
didn't a little diamond and I 
got my birthday about five years

836
00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:09,640
ago that B and then that cross 
that Tom gave me. 

837
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:11,800
So yeah. 
Lovely. 

838
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:16,040
And then loads of earrings. 
Yeah, Harris, Brilliant Harris. 

839
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:20,480
We did these, but I think Misama
and he gave me those which I 

840
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,320
love. 
Thank you, Harry. 

841
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,760
And mismatching. 
Yes, they come as a separate, 

842
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,320
then mismatching and then, Oh 
yeah, this. 

843
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,240
I love this. 
It's by this brilliant designer 

844
00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:33,360
and I can't remember them. 
Very trendy, very cool, and I 

845
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,120
forgot her name, but she 
basically I love it. 

846
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:40,000
It's a lip with a lip ring in 
rubies with a silver lip ring. 

847
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,080
You know, I mean talk about age 
appropriate. 

848
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,160
But what about that word age 
appropriate? 

849
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:48,280
Zach, listen and it's what you 
said. 

850
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,160
It's only how you feel. 
I don't care what's age 

851
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,320
appropriate. 
I just who does? 

852
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:57,160
I mean, who literally what is 
age appropriate? 

853
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,920
Age appropriate is perhaps when 
we look at someone and there is 

854
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,800
our own sort of judge mental 
system, you know, where we see 

855
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:08,160
someone and we're like, maybe 
you're, I, I, I'm just saying we

856
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:11,680
all have it right where we make 
those kind of good judgements 

857
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,560
and, you know, generous 
judgements. 

858
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:15,600
And then perhaps maybe not so 
generous judgements. 

859
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:19,320
But but AJ, I think it's more 
about how we feel, isn't it? 

860
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,640
It really is. 
But do you know, but something 

861
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,960
feels a bit off if you're 
wearing something that just 

862
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,720
doesn't. 
And it's not even about how you 

863
00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:30,520
might look. 
It's about how you feel more. 

864
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:37,280
Do you feel that the fashion 
world caters for the I? 

865
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:41,640
OK, I the silver # let's put it 
that way. 

866
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:43,440
Well. 
I think that, you know, the 

867
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:47,080
silver # the older age, you 
know, has changed so much now 

868
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:52,560
that actually I like that. 
You know, I think that, you 

869
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:54,200
know, I think there's something 
for everyone. 

870
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,920
I mean, you know what you're 
wearing today, you could be 30 

871
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,200
and wear that and you could be 
80 and wear that. 

872
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,240
So who's that for? 
Silver pound? 

873
00:48:01,240 --> 00:48:03,240
Is it for that? 
No, it's for, it's for all of 

874
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:07,680
us. 
And so in terms of I, I, I don't

875
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:11,480
know because I don't shop in 
that way of what is available 

876
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,160
because I just shop for myself. 
I don't really know how to. 

877
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,160
I'm probably not the best person
to answer that. 

878
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:24,600
Do you feel that there is enough
inspiration out there for women 

879
00:48:25,240 --> 00:48:28,080
that are are over a certain age?
I don't. 

880
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,040
I don't. 
Even know I don't I mean, I 

881
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,160
think that you know, it's very 
much about the young and 

882
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:35,440
beautiful, isn't it? 
And there's something incredibly

883
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,520
alluring and amazing about, you 
know, someone being young and 

884
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:42,000
beautiful and the prime of their
life. 

885
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,280
And it's when people get, you 
know, lots of surgery done and 

886
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:49,960
lots, you know, like, you know, 
we all can look after ourselves.

887
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:54,040
But, you know, youth is 
something that is just youth. 

888
00:48:54,240 --> 00:48:56,680
And so of course, the fashion 
world loves that itself because 

889
00:48:56,680 --> 00:49:00,560
it looks fabulous in itself. 
So no, I mean, compared to, you 

890
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,000
know, 20 year olds, no, there 
isn't nearly as much. 

891
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:08,320
There's not nearly as much 
imagery or representation for 

892
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:12,440
older people. 
I, I think it's the the imagery 

893
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:17,200
that's slightly lacking that 
could inspire and I think 

894
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,400
that's, that's a shame. 
I feel like that's a missed. 

895
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,560
Opportunity, right? 
No, I think you're right. 

896
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:26,120
I think no, it's massive, you 
know, massively neglected. 

897
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,600
You don't see it when you do, 
like, oh, there's someone who's 

898
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,360
not, gosh, how? 
How? 

899
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:38,840
OK, wow, that's different. 
I think particularly in the 

900
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:46,240
fashion world, we can all be 
accused of judging people by how

901
00:49:46,240 --> 00:49:47,720
they're looking, what they're 
wearing. 

902
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:54,040
Is that something and sort of 
putting, putting them in a box, 

903
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:57,600
is that something you're 
conscious of doing ever? 

904
00:49:58,720 --> 00:50:02,360
The thing is, no, I don't. 
I mean, listen, I love looking 

905
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:05,640
at what people choose to wear 
and I'm interested in it, but 

906
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:09,600
I'm and I might not like 
something often don't like 

907
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,800
something someone's wearing, but
I'm not. 

908
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:17,400
I'm never judge mental, rarely 
judge mental because I've grown 

909
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:20,880
so many people in my life aren't
in fashion and they're not 

910
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:24,240
really into clothes. 
You know, I've got two sisters 

911
00:50:24,240 --> 00:50:27,720
who they look great, but they're
not interested in clothes. 

912
00:50:27,720 --> 00:50:31,600
What I mean, it's like it's 
really normal for me in my life 

913
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:35,720
to be around people who second 
clothes are just not, it's not 

914
00:50:35,720 --> 00:50:39,160
their currency. 
And so I think there's a it 

915
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:42,320
would be weird for me to be 
judged bankrupt because it's not

916
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:45,560
my judging system. 
I mean, when you're getting 

917
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:51,200
dressed, if you're not 100% 
certain about something, who 

918
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,240
would you ask for an opinion? 
I wouldn't ever be that 

919
00:50:54,240 --> 00:50:56,520
uncertain that I had to ask. 
Oh, I would ask Tom. 

920
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:00,760
I would ask my daughter. 
I would never look for outside 

921
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,480
help. 
That would be enough. 

922
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:05,800
They'll tell me straight. 
Yeah. 

923
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:07,720
And. 
When when you're putting a a 

924
00:51:07,720 --> 00:51:12,800
look together, do you ever start
with one particular item in 

925
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:14,880
mind? 
It might be a a new bag or a 

926
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,920
vintage find. 
Yeah, I mean, I, I, I love my 

927
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:21,560
skirt because I like the 
silhouette and it's habitual and

928
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:24,880
then and, and then yeah, and I 
like it when I think about 

929
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:26,960
something and I think, oh, I'll 
wear that tomorrow and I put it 

930
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:30,280
out and, and I, I do like that 
kind of when I'm like kind of 

931
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:33,520
organized or I see a belt in my 
cupboard, I think, oh, I'll wear

932
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:36,120
that, you know. 
But I try and do that as more of

933
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:39,840
kind of being inspired in the 
moment rather than like in any 

934
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,920
around any kind of anxiety 
because I feel quite confident 

935
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:44,760
in closing again. 
It's going back to that thing 

936
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:48,320
of, you know, I know I can put 
an outfit together that might 

937
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,240
not be to the taste of the 
person I'm meeting, but it's me.

938
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:53,760
And so I'm going as myself, and 
that's all we can do. 

939
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,200
Is your wardrobe phenomenally 
organised? 

940
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:03,600
No, no, it's not. 
And I don't have a big people 

941
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,680
come to my house and they're 
always a bit like embarrassed 

942
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:08,640
because they're like, well, we 
thought we'd have a fabric and 

943
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:10,800
I'm and I say to them, Oh God, 
I'm really sorry. 

944
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:12,320
You thought it'd be fabulous, 
didn't you? 

945
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,120
Oh, no, I'm sorry, because I've 
never. 

946
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:15,720
I wish I had kept everything I 
hadn't. 

947
00:52:15,720 --> 00:52:19,400
I've had an insane things in my 
life, but I've always been. 

948
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:22,360
I'm not a collector. 
So you're you'd say you're an 

949
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,080
editor rather. 
Than yeah, I get, I move on and 

950
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,440
I bring I'm not someone, I'm not
a collector. 

951
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:29,960
So yeah, I've got I have moved 
on. 

952
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,440
I mean, there's stuff I'm in my 
sound around stuff I really 

953
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:33,680
regret. 
There's lots of things I wish 

954
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:36,640
I'd kept, but I didn't. 
And I gave a lot away over the 

955
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,400
years to friends of mine. 
If I go and stay with someone in

956
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,440
New York and you know, they've 
got, they live in an amazing 

957
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:43,720
place. 
Well, what can I take them? 

958
00:52:43,720 --> 00:52:47,560
The one thing I can take them 
is, is, is, you know, something 

959
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:49,920
that I've found for them that 
they wouldn't have had the time 

960
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,440
or stuff like that. 
But maybe I've taken it from my 

961
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,040
wardrobe because it is really, 
you know, so I've, I've lost 

962
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:57,360
stuff along the way through, 
like all that stuff. 

963
00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:59,680
Some of it really nice and like 
I've, I've wanted to hand it 

964
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:03,280
over other times, you know, But 
no, I mean, I've got really good

965
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:05,400
stuff, but it's more stuff I 
wear now. 

966
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:08,120
We're talking about beauty for a
moment. 

967
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:09,560
Yeah, I'd love to talk about 
beauty. 

968
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:13,800
Because your great mate 
Charlotte Tilbury, but yes, does

969
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:19,120
she, does she get involved in 
your make up looks or any of 

970
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,840
that? 
High maintenance. 

971
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:25,200
Low maintenance. 
I, I'm really low maintenance, 

972
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:28,960
but I, I love her products and I
wear her products every day and 

973
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:35,440
I know how to wear them. 
And she's very generous when it 

974
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:39,920
comes to kind of, you know, what
would be good and what I should 

975
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:44,080
try And, and like, you know, 
writing on numbers, like you do 

976
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:48,360
that one first and then #2 and 
then #3 and because I find it, 

977
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:53,280
you know, I'm not like naturally
kind of that, you know, I'm not 

978
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:56,080
that I've never been such a huge
make up person. 

979
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:59,320
So I'm not that brilliant at 
putting on make up, but I, I 

980
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,880
really do love her. 
I really love her products and I

981
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:14,160
wear them everyday and and so 
and hair hair hair blonde 

982
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:18,440
fringe. 
Try and be a bit 70s with it. 

983
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:22,520
We'll always keep it blonde. 
Never say never, but I don't 

984
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:24,680
know. 
A good Packer, Bad Packer. 

985
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:33,280
Over Packer Favorite luggage My 
Louis Vuitton for a weekend My 

986
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:37,000
Louis Vuitton holdall. 
So you're still in a holdall, 

987
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,160
not a wheelie. 
And I have a wheelie Louis 

988
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:42,720
Vuitton wheelie as well. 
So yeah, I have my new, I do 

989
00:54:42,720 --> 00:54:45,160
love my vintage. 
I love my Louis Vuitton luggage 

990
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:48,600
that I that Louis Vuitton gave 
me actually, so which I still 

991
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:50,560
use all the time. 
And one has my initials. 

992
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:55,720
And so, yeah, I use that and 
that makes me feel chic. 

993
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:59,800
Are you very aware of your 
travel look? 

994
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:05,920
I like to feel business like, 
but also like myself, you know, 

995
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:09,480
I like to feel like I look good.
You know, I put on a, you know, 

996
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:14,280
I think about the bag and a good
blazer and you know, like I'll 

997
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:16,320
try and I like travelling with 
the look. 

998
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:18,000
I don't really like travelling 
sloppy. 

999
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,560
That's weird actually, because I
like sloppy and lots of other 

1000
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:22,840
facets of my life, but not 
travel. 

1001
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:25,080
No, that that's interesting. 
When you say it, you talk about 

1002
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:28,680
a good blazer. 
One question I haven't asked you

1003
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:32,480
and I meant to ask you is when 
you're not in vintage, other 

1004
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:34,560
particular designers that you've
reached for? 

1005
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,640
Oh well, I my favorite jacket is
by Marc Jacobs. 

1006
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:41,480
I've got a Gucci blazer, got 
Valentino bag. 

1007
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:46,920
So I've got Celine sweaters by 
Phoebe Filo that I've worn for 

1008
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:49,960
10 years. 
So I do have a lot of basics 

1009
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:51,200
that are designer in my 
wardrobe. 

1010
00:55:51,240 --> 00:55:54,680
And by the way, I go back to 
them all the time. 

1011
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:58,760
So you know, that kind of 
slightly yawn, you know, 

1012
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:01,960
sentiment of invest pounds per 
wear. 

1013
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:04,360
It's true. 
You know, you invest in like 

1014
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:07,320
something really special. 
And I wear the same thing for, 

1015
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,280
you know, years and years and 
years the same. 

1016
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:13,600
I also am the I am the person 
that like I I wear things again 

1017
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:17,400
and again to the same parties 
with the same people with pride.

1018
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:21,440
I like, I've never understood 
that thing of red carpet 

1019
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:23,680
dressing, everything having to 
be different, everything always 

1020
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:25,240
new, new, new, new. 
I don't know. 

1021
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:29,480
You know, for me, having 
signature pieces is a stronger 

1022
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:31,680
way to show up to stuff. 
That's how I feel. 

1023
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:35,000
And so, you know, for me, I 
never get that thing of I need 

1024
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:36,680
something new. 
I'm like, no, no, I've just, I 

1025
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:38,360
love that. 
And people are like that old 

1026
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:39,160
chestnut. 
Yeah. 

1027
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:43,080
And I like that. 
That's fabulous and and 

1028
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:46,360
wonderfully self assured. 
Love that. 

1029
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:50,000
I absolutely love that. 
OK, what's your guilty secret? 

1030
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:53,560
The most expensive item of 
clothing that you've bought. 

1031
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:55,560
I'm not asking for the price 
tag. 

1032
00:56:56,720 --> 00:57:00,320
I spent quite a lot on a vintage
Cape which I've lost in a New 

1033
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:05,760
York deal, a Christian Dior foot
like vintage cake that was brown

1034
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:09,760
and it had metallic and tassels.
I wish I knew it was that. 

1035
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:12,560
I'll tell you what, probably. 
And I didn't have the money, but

1036
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:14,800
I fell in love with it. 
And it was a Celine jacket from 

1037
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:19,680
the 1970s, brown with, like, 
fake leopard print on the front.

1038
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,200
And I really loved it. 
And that was really expensive 

1039
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:24,280
and I shouldn't have got it, but
I did. 

1040
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:26,800
So lots of things are probably a
handbag as well. 

1041
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:28,960
I'm a bit of a sucker for a 
handbag. 

1042
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:32,320
Very rarely get them. 
But when I do, I don't either. 

1043
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:36,600
I do like a kind of cotton tote 
or like a great tourist bag, you

1044
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:40,760
know, or I go quite high. 
Yeah. 

1045
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:46,600
Design a handbag. 
Do you ever sell those designer 

1046
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:48,040
handbags? 
I have done over the years, 

1047
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:51,720
yeah. 
Where do you sell if you're 

1048
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:54,520
going to sell? 
I think Vestia Collective is a 

1049
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:57,360
good place to sell. 
I sometimes sell. 

1050
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:01,080
I do this kind of friend of 
mine, I actually can't remember 

1051
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:02,680
what it's called. 
He has like a little online 

1052
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:04,600
selling thing. 
I never sell things. 

1053
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:08,600
Usually Vestia actually. 
But I mean, again, I don't buy. 

1054
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:12,280
I mean, it's rare, you know, 
it's once every few, it's once 

1055
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:15,280
every year or few years because 
I don't buy that much new stuff 

1056
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:17,840
and when I do I love it. 
So I'm not. 

1057
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:19,920
I don't. 
I very rarely buy something and 

1058
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:21,880
then feel like oh God that was a
mistake. 

1059
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:26,600
And when you're donating 
something, where would you 

1060
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:28,600
donate it to do? 
You know what? 

1061
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:30,600
I'm pretty. 
You know I donates. 

1062
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:36,880
I mean, cancer charities and 
Oxfam and I mean, any mind. 

1063
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:38,840
Yeah, lots of different 
charities. 

1064
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:43,120
I think every charity, you know,
needs the pound. 

1065
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:48,840
And so you know what, everyone's
convenient and I like to 

1066
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:51,480
support, you know, I like to 
support. 

1067
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:54,000
I like Octavia, that's very near
me. 

1068
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:59,880
And and yeah, Cancer Research, 
British Red Cross, all of them. 

1069
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:04,280
Oldest piece in your wardrobe? 
It may be vintage. 

1070
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:08,200
I think the oldest piece I have 
is something that my mom gave me

1071
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:10,920
that I love that I actually used
in one of those fake campaigns 

1072
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:13,520
that I told you about in the 
Prada, fake Prada, it's poached 

1073
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:17,160
ABBA and it's a, it's a card, a 
cashmere cardigan from Harrods 

1074
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:19,160
from the 60s. 
That was my mother's. 

1075
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:22,280
And it's really beautiful print.
Floral kind of Lily of the 

1076
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:24,600
valley, white, green, purple 
leaves. 

1077
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:28,280
It's beautiful, beautiful print.
And that I really treasure. 

1078
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:31,560
It's a bit trashed, but that's 
probably my oldest. 

1079
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:34,560
I would say probably early 60s. 
And do you still wear it? 

1080
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:39,440
So a little bit small for me. 
No, but I will. 

1081
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:43,080
It's not that I don't I just 
because it's, but I will. 

1082
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:44,680
I I love it. 
It's beautiful. 

1083
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:47,800
What's the piece that you're 
most emotionally attached to? 

1084
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:52,640
You know, I think that or for my
30th birthday, Anita Pallenberg 

1085
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:56,280
knitted me. 
Probably this knitted me a 

1086
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:57,520
sweater. 
It's brown. 

1087
00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:01,120
And then across the front, it 
just says Bay in big white 

1088
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:05,240
letters with a Green Bay leaf. 
And so that's probably my most. 

1089
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:07,520
Yeah, I love that. 
I love it. 

1090
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:09,760
It's wild and amazing. 
And it's just like, what? 

1091
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:13,840
Yeah. 
Let's spin onto some quick fire 

1092
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:17,800
questions which What fashion 
advice would you give your 20 

1093
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:20,320
year old self? 
Stay with the fun. 

1094
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:25,840
What fashion trend or era would 
you most like to see make a 

1095
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:30,720
comeback? 
1930s fashion or beauty trend 

1096
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:34,400
you'd consigned to room 101. 
Not mad about lip liner. 

1097
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:41,640
Your Last Impulse by Valentino 
bag views on tattoos. 

1098
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:46,160
I have one in the moment of 
being in love and being far from

1099
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:49,840
home, no. 
Beauty treatment you couldn't 

1100
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:53,920
give up. 
My magically moisturizer 

1101
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:56,680
mascara. 
High end or High Street? 

1102
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:58,800
High end. 
Bling or bare? 

1103
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:01,920
Oh bling? 
Minimalism or maximalism? 

1104
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:04,560
Maximism Couture or charity 
shop. 

1105
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:08,560
Couture. 
Crocs cute or puke? 

1106
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:13,040
Oh, puke sneakers or stilettos. 
Sneakers. 

1107
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:17,720
Bags or shoes, Skinnies, 
boyfriends or wide legs? 

1108
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:22,520
Boyfriends. 
Body corn or burho? 

1109
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:25,520
Burho. 
Sports Lux or Rock chick? 

1110
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:27,840
Rock Chick. 
Trend or style? 

1111
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:30,000
*. 
Colour or monochrome? 

1112
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:34,920
Colour, experimental or uniform?
Experimental. 

1113
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:40,360
Cashmere or cotton? 
Trilby or Tracy Trilby? 

1114
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:43,720
Hoarder or editor? 
Editor. 

1115
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:47,440
Charity shop or resale Charity 
shop? 

1116
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:52,280
Shapewear or sexy lingerie? 
Shapewear, I guess. 

1117
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:55,760
Tights, stockings or hold UPS. 
Tights. 

1118
01:01:56,080 --> 01:02:00,000
Bikini or one piece? 
Finally, traditional last 

1119
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:01,640
question. 
At the end of the day, what do 

1120
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:09,640
you or don't you wear in bed? 
She's not #5 Thank you. 

1121
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:11,200
So much God, I could have 
talked. 

1122
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:13,280
All day. 
You're fabulous.