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journey with the award-winning BBC broadcaster, TV personality
and DJ, cancer survivor and marathon record holder, the
remarkable Adele Roberts. Hello and welcome Adele and
Audrey. I should say yes.
We're both here. Thank you so much for having us
on. Oh my goodness, it's a pleasure
to meet you and to have you here 'cause your book Personal Best
From Rock Bottom to Top of the World, has just recently come
out. So let's just talk about that
for a moment. Yeah.
Do you know, I spent a lot of the time thinking about that
book around here, running up and down the Thames, training for
the marathon? Wow.
Yeah. And that's my favorite bridge
just over there. Yeah, Bridge.
Yeah, it's beautiful. And I used to run out across
that over to Battersea Park. Yeah, to the big Buddha, the.
Golden Buddha. I go to the Golden Buddha most
mornings of my dog. Amazing.
And I used to dream of, well, I used to think about reclaiming
my body from cancer and and dream of one day being fit
enough to run the marathon again.
And it happened. Was visualisation an important
part of a your marathon record and actually, more importantly,
getting that cancer out of you? Absolutely.
I think that I've realized as I've got older how powerful the
mind is, and I think quite often the mind can carry.
On Goosebumps now. Yeah, no, totally.
The mind can carry on when the body feels like it's going to
fail. And I think that the mindset was
key to me getting through cancer and also recovering from cancer.
And it's a daily goal in my head to make sure that I keep moving
forward and don't look backwards.
So visualization without a doubt.
So do you have a a sort of morning routine to get yourself
into that headspace? Yeah, I do actually.
I understand now how important the senses are so I try and have
nice smells. I try and treat myself better.
I've got much better at self-care so anything that
touches my body I try and have it.
Something that makes me feel good.
It doesn't have to be expensive but it needs to make me feel
good. I am very mindful of not putting
junk into my body either through eating it, which I used to do
all the time and especially through my eyes.
So I try not to consume too much negativity on social media.
So if I feel like I'm starting to feel sad, I'll take myself
away because I, I really feel like anything that enters your
body stays within you. And a lot of bad things that
happened to me over my lifetime. And, and in a way, I feel like
that's where the cancer came from.
Me not dealing with my problems, me trying to ignore it.
That's fascinating. We'll excuse the helicopters
because we're on the flight path, so we'll just keep keep on
going. So so you've felt that sort of
toxicity just SAT within you. Yeah, I did.
And I was sad and I was down for a long time in the book of talk
about losing my auntie. And I was about 20-3 at the time
and I had a hard life up until that point.
But losing her, she was an amazing woman.
She was like you. She was, she was classy.
She was somebody that I aspire to be and she was one of the
good things in my life and and somebody that I could relate to,
but somebody that I could try and aim to be like.
And and sadly, she passed away really suddenly and that sent me
on a downward spiral and I couldn't really deal with my
feelings. I didn't know how to grieve for
her. I also felt bad as well because
my cousins had lost their mom. But then here's me feeling
terrible inside, like I'd lost a mother figure to me, but I
couldn't verbalize that to them. So I did a really stupid thing
and went on a national TV show called Big Brother and just
almost thought I'm going to run away from reality and go and sit
in this TV show and pretend it's not happening.
And that was sort of like the start of my downward spiral.
And it was for many years that I found myself in a bad place.
Grief is a very, very complex thing and and everyone has a
different way of of processing it in in my experience.
Yeah, and but wonderful that you are here today with bells on and
a beautiful jumpsuit ONS. I'm so glad you said that I
brought this to try and impress you.
Oh well. Tell me about it.
OK, so this jumpsuit is well, my girlfriend helped me pick it
out. So I'll be honest with you, but
I've been watching your Instagram a lot and I I'll be
honest with you, I'm I'm not the best with clothes.
So this is one area of my life where I'm trying to get better.
And I noticed that you said this season whites and and light
colors are in and I always. I'm glad I put this sweater on
this morning. And I am someone who always
wears black. So I, I found I think when I was
like not very well and not in a good place, wearing black helped
me blend into the background. So that's where I feel safe.
So I'll, I'll often wear black, but if I want to show up or try
and put out good energy, I'll wear lighter colours.
So this jumpsuit is, are they like resale shops?
So it's like a designer brand? Yes, but it's it's been owned by
somebody else and then. Brilliant.
Yeah. And it's.
I'll need help saying the label but it's Sonia.
Sonia Ricciale. There you go, you.
Mentioned it when I 'cause I, I commented on it the, the moment
you arrived, but it's so chic 'cause it's sort of got this
tailoring vibe. And yet you've got this sort of
very sporty feel about it too. The sort of yeah, you know,
drawn waste and and the you know, the way that the the sort
of jogger type Panton as part of the jumpsuit.
Yeah, I love jumpsuits. They make me feel very
comfortable. And I think it's because the top
and the bottoms match, so don't have to worry about that.
That's one less decision. And then also I have a stoma and
usually jumpsuits sit nicely around my stoma and give me room
to expand if I need to. That is interesting.
I am gonna come on to Audrey your your stoma, but just in
terms of your book, but I just I want to hear a tiny bit more
about that. So you were writing it in your
head as you were training for the marathon.
Is that fair to say? Yeah, well, I guess I didn't
know I'd have a book because I didn't feel like I was the sort
of person who could write a book.
I I didn't know I had a book in me.
I think it was more that I was writing the story of the
marathon in my head. So when I woke up from my
surgery, the removal of the bowel cancer, I really felt like
I had a second chance at life. And I thought, you've got to
almost live every single day, like a mini lifetime and you
have to get yourself back on track.
Don't make that mistake of last time when you lost yourself to
grief. There was a part of grieving for
my old body because I've now got a new body.
I woke up from the surgery, realized that I had a stoma
'cause that wasn't necessarily going to happen.
So it was only when I woke up that I definitely knew I had a
stoma and I remember. How did that feel, actually,
that moment, I mean, that you woke up and realized that you
had the stoma? I think I was so grateful to be
awake and alive. Yeah, that I was so grateful to
have a stoma. And I knew that stoma was
essential to me surviving the surgery.
Yeah, I had to have it. And I remember peeling back the
covers and looking down and seeing Audrey for the first
time. When did you name her Audrey?
So that was a couple of days later and we had some great
nurses in hospital who said some people name their stomas to help
them sort of get their head around this massive change to
their body. So I was like, OK, And they
weren't think of a name. So they came back the next day
and they said, have you thought of a name?
And I said, oh, yeah. And they said, what, what's you
stoma called? And I said Audrey.
And they went, oh, Audrey Hepburn.
I said no. Have you seen Little Shop of
horrors? And then the nurses faces were
like what? And it's it's because in Little
Shop of Horrors there's a plant that's a Venus fly trap that
looks like Audrey. It's kind of like, like a little
mouth. So that's what Audrey's named
after. So not Audrey the the plants
from Little Shop of Horrors. Oh.
Brilliant. Brilliant.
I mean, you know, when I think of the the name of your book
from rock bottom to top of the world, I think, you know, as
home, as human beings, it's it's only natural at at any moment,
sort of at a point in our lives that we do hit rock bottom for
whatever reason, grief or health or whatever it is.
But I do feel that your book is sort of a real beacon of hope
for those people who may be at a rock bottom moment because you
are just here and glowing and just sort of, you know, exuding
health and positivity when this time, what, two years ago you
were. In a bad.
Place in a bad place. Yeah, Thank you, Amanda, That
that makes me so happy because that's what I wanted to try and
do. I think that I say in the book
it it was the ultimate set back, but it was also the ultimate
comeback. And I think that all sorts of
things happen to people and some people don't even feel like they
can share and talk about it. So I hope my book finds those
people. I hope that they see themselves
reflected in the book and I hope they know that if you don't give
up, you can't be stopped. And.
And oh, I love that line. If you don't get up, you can't
be stopped. Yeah.
And, and I've seen that from my mom and dad.
They've had much, I think, tougher lives than I have, but
they never gave up. And they always loved, loved us.
I've, I've come from very humble beginnings, but the one thing I
knew that. Yeah.
Is, is that if you feel like you've got people that love you
and you feel like you will just always keep going and moving
forward, no matter how small, then you can achieve anything.
I really believe that. Yeah, it and and how lucky are
we to have partners and family that that love us?
Yeah. And you know, I often think of
that, you know, if I, if I'm having a sort of lower moment
and I I think of a friend who was has no parents and has no
family in this world and and that must be that.
That's really tough. Yeah, definitely.
I've grown up around a lot of people.
I grew up on various council estates and and I talk about
that in the book. I went to seven different
schools. We were always being moved
around by the council and there was it was always chaotic in our
house, but it was always filled with love.
And I look at my friends that maybe didn't fare as well as as
me and that gives me a lot of guilt.
But I also know I think the reason that they didn't do as
well as me is because they didn't have those people that
love them. And so I feel incredibly lucky
all the time for if you have someone in your life that like,
fights for you and loves you, I think you're the richest person
in the world. I totally am with you on that
one. I, I really, really I, I here's
to that, yes. So you grew up in this lovely
household with you're the oldest of six siblings.
Were you very aware of your parents style growing up?
Oh, absolutely. My mom especially.
Do you know what's really strange?
Like my mom sadly passed away at the start of this year.
And so people have been, Yeah, thank you.
People have been sending me photos of her when she was
younger. And I didn't really remember her
'cause I was a baby. And she was so stylish.
She was like, so cool. But because when I sort of like
could remember my mom and she was looking after lots of kids,
she always sort of gave us everything that she should have
had herself. And so she didn't really take
care of herself and, and especially in terms of dressing.
And, and I think that that is something that I had to learn
later on in life because I didn't take care of myself.
And I used to dress a very different way.
And my partner Kate's been really good at helping me
understand that dressing and and styling can be a form of
expression. It's not vain to look good.
It's self love. It really is self love and and
I've learned that lesson now and that and it's not like my mum
ever said, you know, if you take care of yourself, you're vain.
But I think that she always made sacrifices.
So we were the ones that had the things and she never, you know.
Kids to look after. Totally.
So she's. Surprised, she.
So she'd always have like baggy T-shirts or leggings on and she
never sort of like looked after her appearance.
And, and looking back, I feel sad now.
I feel like, oh I wish I'd have like, I don't know, got a paper
round and bought her a top or something.
You. Know 'cause she deserved it,
'cause she's, she was an amazing woman.
But I, I don't think her clothes reflected that.
And so that's something I'm working on to hopefully honour
my mum and say, mum, I'll dress nice for you too.
Oh, that's a lovely, lovely thought.
I mean, you have three sisters. There's Yeah, that's right.
Yeah. Four girls.
Yeah, that's right. Were you very conscious of each
other's style growing up or? Yeah, my sisters are beautiful.
They are the stylish ones. So they they do.
Hang on, can we just hold a mirror up?
Please stop it. Well, I think, I think when I
was younger, I was thinking about this the other day.
If anybody mentioned my appearance, it would be that I
was masculine or I was a tomboy or I, yeah, I don't think
anybody ever made me feel good in terms of appearance.
And I think I never really fit in.
My hair was always weird or my skin was too dark or it's too
light. And so I didn't really focus on
the way I looked. I I think when it came to my
body, I was more sporty. So I, I knew it could work well,
but I didn't think it looked good.
And so, yeah, I think, again, I'm trying to change that
mindset, yeah. Because you know, I I doing my
research, you would definitely a lot larger than you are now.
Absolutely. And I was just wondering what
was your approach to dressing back then?
Really bad. I'll be honest with you, as soon
as puberty hit and then I was old enough to sort of like go to
the shops with my friends and that's when you start choosing
your own clothes. I was so out of my depth.
I didn't know how to dress. I didn't really see women that
looked like me reflected in the media really all the magazines
we were reading and I I didn't know what to wear.
And if I did try and dress like the ladies in the magazines who
look beautiful didn't quite fit my body.
And I think that led me to then feel a bit bad about myself.
And then I think I dealt with that by eating lots of food.
And then that was sort of like a.
That's a spiral, yeah. And, and so I just just wear
sports clothes a lot. But so that, that I, I could
expand into them. I didn't use them as sport.
I used them because they were comfortable.
And yeah, I think I even I went even more tomboyish and and less
sort of like traditionally feminine and just didn't feel
like a fit in. But now you've come through
cancer. You got Audrey sitting here.
Can you explain what Audrey actually means to you physically
first, just so that I can understand that.
And then I want to move on to the dressing around her.
You know, I think about having a stomer on you and running a
marathon. Yeah.
And that's a lot of. That's a lot of friction.
And do you tape it down to? Great question, actually.
Yeah, you, you're so right. I didn't.
The practical side of me. No, that's the really good
question because I, I think that when I first decided to do the
marathon, I, I went online to see if all the Oster mates had
done marathons and I couldn't find much information because it
is tricky, it is hard. So anything that I eat or drink
will essentially come out of the stoma and, and into my stoma
bag, right. So a lot of people don't realize
that the stoma is a bit of my intestine that's now out the
front of my body. So.
Literally comes out from the inside.
Yeah, so I have. I have a piece of intestine
that's actually on the outside of my body.
Now people won't realise as well that it moves on its own.
Oh my goodness. How?
How it is strange? Sometimes she is a little human
being, a little, a little. Cheeky monkey.
Yeah, she's naughty, yeah. So it it'll move.
So as you digest, your body doesn't know it's not attached,
so it'll move. Right.
And then any output, as it's called, will go into the bag.
So I've got the intestine there and then a bag that goes over
it. Yeah.
But you're quite right. If if anybody wants to take on
the challenge of a marathon, you'll know that the main thing
is apart from training, hydration and nutrition, Yeah,
you have to fuel yourself properly.
But how do you do that if essentially everything that you
eat and drink is going to come straight out?
Yeah. So this is like a non-stop tap.
Wow. So.
The moment I put stuff in. So I'm drinking coffee now.
The coffee is gonna come out in about an hour I think, so I have
to make sure. I'm for giving me an hour.
So I have to always make sure that I know where toilets are,
yeah, Just in case my bag fills up and I need to empty it, yeah.
So manage that physically when a in a three and a half hour, I
mean your time was extraordinary.
Hello, record-breaking. Well, but that's another thing.
But so how did you manage that? Yeah, it was like spinning
plates and I almost had to only take on enough hydration and
fuel to sort of get used up live in the race because if I had too
much, it would have ended up in the bag and I'd have to stop and
then not be able to set a Guinness World Record.
So it was a constant sort of like battle.
And and going back to what you said about friction, we have
these running belts that help sort of like secure the stomach.
But in the training, because my body was still recovering from
cancer and chemo, I did get a lot of friction and and I'd end
up with a lot of blood in the back, unfortunately, because
it's essentially like soft tissue and on your body and it
the that friction will make it bleed.
Yeah. So yeah, it's a constant, sort
of like tweaking in a constant battle, but.
I mean, I do you literally have to tape down the stoma bag or do
you just do you wear sort of a tighter undergarment to keep it
in place? Yeah, I've got like a Spanx
almost like, yeah. So it's a piece of material that
goes just over like the bag. And I sort of like tuck the bag
in. And so yeah, it's like a an
elasticated belt. Yeah.
Yeah, it's that sort of thing. Wow.
And so you went on Guinness Book of Records.
Amazing. Amazing.
When in your sort of normal running activity, what's your
favorite running brand kit? Another great question, So
because my feet are still sensitive from chemo so I'm two
years out and I didn't realise this about chemotherapy.
Because it leaves the base of your feet quite numb.
Yeah, yes. So I have neuropathy and also
very sensitive hands and feet. And so I use these really big
trainers that a lot of people laugh at, but I need them.
And it's a brand called Hocker or Hooker.
Yes, yes. And they do like a really big
comfy shoe, and that's what I run in.
Yeah, but my feet is starting to heal now, so I can probably get
lighter trainers. But I love big comfy trainers.
And then the rest of your kit. Oh, yeah.
So, so here's a hack for anybody who maybe wants to get fit.
When I first started getting fit, I started walking.
I never used to run and I just promised myself to walk every
day. And I just went to local Sports
Direct. I went to Primark and I just
bought the cheapest kit to make sure that I had no excuses.
And I put it out in the morning and I, it's like that's your
outfit, you're getting dressed in that and you're doing the
exercise. So a lot of my kit is stuff
leftover from when I was much bigger and I had like really
cheap Primark gear. So that's, that's what I run in
just because I like it and it makes me, it reminds me of how
far I've come. That's lovely.
I know that when you go through
chemo, your your skin can get hypersensitive.
What did you reach for during that time?
What what were your favorite sort of comfort clothes?
Another great question. I do try.
Yeah, just sort of like oversized some some jumpsuits
sort of like you know the the onesies that you can get that
are kind of fleecy. So it would that be called a
onesie, not a jumpsuit. Yeah, well.
One or the other, I mean, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So things like that. And then also I'd wear like a
lot of track suits because when you first get stoned with the
quite the quite sore. So yeah, you need trousers that
go above them or underneath them, or at least like say
something you can expand into. Yeah, and were you very aware of
the weight of your clothes? Definitely, yeah.
Lighter clothes because like you say, the the skin was very
sensitive and I'm obsessed with socks.
So I used to put socks on with this cream called bag balm and
urea cream because it used to treat my feet and keep the soles
my feet on because if I didn't do that they'd like.
Come off because of the chemo. Yeah.
God, yeah, Now I know you and your life partner of 20 years.
Congratulations, Kate Holderness, who's here with us
today. You're keen LBGT campaigners.
Yeah. What's your favorite pride Look?
These questions are so amazing. We try and complement each
other. So I, I've got this thing in my
head about hers and hers because you don't really see that.
And so I think it's interesting when you have two women that are
different style wise, we're also different in our backgrounds so
that we look totally different and we try and sort of dress in
our own way but complement each other.
So it's almost like it reminds me of the top of a wedding cake.
So I guess I'm the groom and Kate's the bride.
We always try. And you do that on a daily
basis. Not on a daily basis, but if we
come and try and impress Someone Like You, we try and coordinate.
So hopefully we've got that right to that you.
Really have my goodness. Lovely.
But I I think, yeah, we, we try, if we go to an event, complement
each other. But I try and dress in things
that make me feel comfortable and Kate dresses in things that
make her feel comfortable. Lovely.
Now, if you were ever to get married, what do you think you'd
wear? You see, this is the reason I've
not got married, Amanda, because I don't know what to.
Stop it. I'm being serious.
Clothes really overwhelm me. So I, I get Kate has to pick her
moments when she takes me shopping because I just get
really overwhelmed with choice. And so if you went, if you came
to my house, you'd see Kate's rail, which is like beautiful.
And it's like all the colours of the rainbow.
And mine is just like black, black, black, black, black and
maybe one white top. I, I don't know whether I'd wear
a dress or wear sort of like maybe a jumpsuit 'cause I feel
like jumpsuits are starting to be my thing now.
And I also don't know if Audrey will be there because eventually
Audrey will, will get reversed. So I guess I'll have, yeah.
So we'll have a bye bye Audrey moment, I know.
And I wonder if your style will change then or not, because it
feels like you're finding you're really now discovering your own
style. Yeah, getting a stoma made me
love my body for the first time. I I remember seeing myself in
the mirror and for the first time feeling connected to my
body and appreciating it and seeing it as beautiful.
And I know that sounds like really strange to maybe some
people, but I was just like, for the first time, I like, I loved
myself. And and it's because I realized
what that body had been through to keep me alive.
And I and I just felt so grateful.
So you're right. I think I'm starting to find my
style. But I think if Audrey wasn't
here, I might just have slightly tighter clothes.
Yeah, maybe. Now, as a DJ, how did you go
about choosing your looks? Yeah.
So I got into radio, I think because you couldn't see the
radio DJ, and then they changed it all and they made everything
like very visual. I was like, oh great, listen,
even a podcaster's visual. So again, I think I.
Just tried to what What's really cool about radio DJs is that
essentially your work clothes are who you are.
Yeah. So you can really, like, express
yourself. So I think that just like sporty
things, I never felt out of place in a radio studio because
you can be like cool and be who you are and nobody questions it.
Whereas maybe if I worked in an office, people would be like,
why have you got a hoodie on? You know, or my ask about like
why you why haven't you got a uniform on or why have you not
got like an office look? But I think, yeah, as a as a DJ
ad wear like a lot of sort of like sports clothes, but dress
them up with like nice trainers or whatever.
So some, some of it's sort of like street wear's like quite
fashionable now, isn't it? So yeah, now I.
Know that you obviously interviewed a lot of very famous
people. Were you, for example, when you
interviewed Mel B, who I know you were a big fan of, were you
very conscious of what you put on for that interview?
I think as I. Went further in my career
definitely, but at the start I'd I wasn't awake enough to myself
to dress nice. I I got it wrong a lot of the
time and and I was a lot bigger back then, so I think I just
tried to pass as a normal human, you know what I mean?
So try not to attract attention. But if I interviewed Mel B now,
I would go, I would give her the works.
Yeah, I would really try and impress her.
And out of interest. Would you ever?
If so, now would you ever try and mirror the person that you
were interviewing in terms of mirroring their style?
I don't think. I would do that consciously, but
like you've said to me today, I try and immerse myself in their
world. So I would do a lot of reading
about them and watching all their interviews that they've
done to get a sense of who they are and then turn up on the day
and try and have an engaging chat, you know, like we're
having now. But so I don't know if
subconsciously I might pick up a bit of their style, but I think
I try and hopefully create an environment where that person
can let that aura shine through. Yeah.
So.
You're. Would you say you're in the
process of discovering your style?
Absolutely. Yeah, and I think brands are
getting better at attracting women like me.
I think that diversity is getting much better and
representation. I don't see many brands that
maybe work with models who have stomas.
So I think things like that can be improved.
I know that a lot of people with stoma's struggle because they
don't see themselves reflected and it's a, a non visible
disability. So by design, people don't
really have them on show. And so as much as possible, I
try and talk about mine and Kate and I recently went on a holiday
to Malta and I just made sure that I was out and about on the
beach, you know, in, in a bikini with my stoma showing and, and
luckily, well, not luckily, but thankfully nobody battered an
eyelid. So I feel like it's getting
better. I feel like there's more and
more women that are being represented now, but yeah, I I
think that I'm getting better at dressing and I think the
industry's getting better at welcoming people like me and
when. You say people like me, are you
talking are you referring to the stoma not?
Really, I think it's more probably women that don't feel
feminine, but in the traditional sense of feminine I I think
that's what it is and I understand now.
I am feminine, it's just that I didn't realize.
And did you? So you didn't feel feminine for
a long time. Do you remember when you first
started not feeling feminine? Or did you ever feel feminine?
Yeah, no, I've. Never felt feminine and like I
say, went thinking back because I try and do a lot of soul
searching now. I was never referred to as
feminine. Yeah.
I was always told you're like a boy or you're a tomboy or Yeah,
but do you think that was a. Bit chicken and egg because you
were referred to like that, you felt more more tomboyish, more
masculine. I think you're right.
Yeah, I think I was saying this the other day.
I used to see women like Grace Jones, and I'd be like, she's so
beautiful and she's, to me was feminine.
But people when I was younger would say that she was like a
man or she'd be like the body and the Bond movie.
And I think it's just little subconscious things like that
that make you feel like, oh, she's not feminine.
It's like looking back, she's so feminine, she's so stunning,
she's so beautiful. But it's, I think it's just
unhelpful messaging when you're a child and you don't quite
understand. Yes, 'cause.
So much just you absorb subconsciously.
Yeah, absolutely. And I think that's why I'm
trying to get better and trying to be more vocal because
hopefully it doesn't happen to all the kids around the country
that feel like they don't quite fit in and so there's something
wrong with them 'cause there's not.
Which brands? Do you find you are sort of most
drawn to Kate's helping me? Get better in terms of designer
brands cuz I think that again, self worth.
I didn't feel like I deserved to wear designer brands.
So now I look to a lot of Korean artists.
So I love Kpop and I love a lot of like the boys that are in the
boy bands because they're effeminate.
So they're, they're almost like a halfway house.
They're they're, they're men, but they're very feminist.
They're quite. Gender.
Fluid like we were. Talking about earlier, yeah,
totally so. Now I'll I'll see what they're
wearing and I'm like, I like that.
I'll wear that. So they wear a lot of designer
brands, but they sort of like mix it with street wear.
So they might have say, like a Louis V bag and sort of like
Adidas trainers or you you see the the Y-3 collaboration with
Adidas or Stella McCartney might work with Adidas.
And I think that's a happy house for me, Yeah.
Now, you talked about trainers earlier which so which are your
favorite? Are you a big collector of
trainers? I'm I'm guessing.
Better at collecting trainers again.
I didn't, I, I used to limit myself 'cause I used to think
that I was being selfish and self indulgent.
So I'm I'm getting better and I think there's a question that
might be coming up that I won't ruin the answer to, but no, go
for it should. I just say it just.
Go. Just say it my.
Most expensive item of clothing is now a pair of Chanel
trainers. Oh.
Wonderful, I. Didn't buy them from the shop.
I got them on the same site that I got this jumpsuit from.
Now which site was this? You're going to ask.
You're going to have to ask Kate, aren't you?
Kate, which site? Was it?
Is that all right? Is it really love to cab?
Yes. Oh.
Amazing. Yeah, and it and it's near.
Here, actually, it's in Chelsea. Sorry, Am I allowed to say where
we are? Is that OK?
It's. Fairly obvious.
Where we are because there's sort of the.
Bridge gives it. Everything gives it away and.
They, I love the idea of that. I feel like I can stomach that.
So designer brands, but cheaper that you can give a new home to
it's more sustainable, you know, and these Chloe traders like
they come with their own bag, which is amazing because I've
never had trainers that come with a bag and they're my
favorite possession and I wear them for best do you and
they're. Not too heavy, you know, They're
very. Light, yeah, they're sort of
like they're, they're similar to the ones I've got on today
actually just like a bit of a smaller heel and like a fabric
upper. Yeah, no those.
They're, they're good ones, aren't they?
Now, if I were to ask Kate how to describe your style DNA in
three words, what do you think? What 3 words would those be?
OK, I think. Comfortable, quiet, I think, and
I won't say the word unassuming and I don't know why.
Oh, I like that. Yeah, I was going to.
Say confident, but I think I'm still working on my confidence.
So eventually it will be confident.
But I think, yeah, unassuming. I like to sort of blend into the
background. Love that.
Let's talk about dancing on Ice for a second.
How did you feel about your skating costumes?
Did you have input in that? No.
Or do they? Just.
Literally say you're dancing to, you know, was your partner
choosing the music? How did the whole process work?
That's another great. Question I I did danced on ice
because I wanted to raise awareness for oster mate.
So all I was thinking is go on there with a stoma.
Try your best. I remember watching.
You in one performance thinking, I mean my heart was in my mouth
thinking please don't drop her because you are just so just
beautiful and frail looking. And I just thought, Oh my God,
you know, actually, for you to take a big tumble at that stage
would not have been funny. That's right.
So. In training, I broke my wrist
actually, and luckily it healed just in time for the show
because otherwise I would have been off the show.
But because my body was still recovering from chemo, again, my
bones are very fragile, so I couldn't dance, I couldn't
perform and I couldn't skate. So they had to teach me
everything from scratch. And then there's this amazing
team that I think works on Strictly.
So the the team that work on the that work in wardrobe and the
team that work in the music I think also work on Strictly as
well. So they're very good at sort of
getting a sense of the person and giving them a song that will
bring the best out in them. So what I did was I gave,
because I'm a DJI, gave them a Spotify playlist of all the
things that I like. Do they ask you for?
That or you you just followed and they're like bangs.
But a lot of the songs on that playlist that we ended up using
and then in terms of the, the makeup and the wardrobe, I was
just like, go for your life. I, I said, make, make it, drag
me up. I was like, I want to be like,
I'm on RuPaul's drag, Drag race, give me the eyelashes, which
I've been inspired by. So I now wear eyelashes, give me
the wigs. Do what you want with me, 'cause
I just thought throw yourself in and and see what happens.
And yeah, for the first time, I think that's when people
actually said I look like a woman, you know, like, and, and
I, it made me feel good. And I was like, I was going to
say did. It take you out of your comfort
zone at all. It did, but.
It, I just, I just loved it. I, I loved looking in the mirror
and being like, who is she? My family.
I remember my family would text me each week and go, we didn't
know you were that one because you, you come out on the ice at
the start and they could never spot me.
And it took them a while to see which one was me.
And I think I even surprised them as well.
So it was a, it was a wonderful experience.
I got a lot from it. Do you ever look at?
Pictures of women or actually men and and think that's where
I'm going to stylistically. Absolutely.
So we were speaking about Harry Styles before.
I love whoever styles him and the way he dresses and I would
wear a lot of his clothes. I I do like androgynous clothes.
Again, when I was younger, I used to love Boy George and I
used to love Grace Jones, but I kind of had to love them in
secret because people thought they were weird.
But I just thought they were fabulous and amazing.
And so I like where the two meet.
I think you're. Still on a style journey, aren't
you? Absolutely, yeah.
But but. Clearly excited by it,
definitely it's. It's a new string to my bow.
I didn't realize how much it can do for you holistically.
And like we were talking before about being positive, I now know
that clothes can make you feel positive.
Would you? Say you dress for yourself or do
you dress for Kate? Yes.
Definitely for myself, Kate sometimes suggest things and I'm
like, no, no babes, that's not going to work, so.
Yeah, I've I've. If I don't feel comfortable,
yeah, I I can't wear it. Really.
Yeah. And we were.
Talking earlier, actually, before we started recording
about this word, femininity. Talk to me about that.
Yeah, it's. A word I never felt connected to
growing up as a girl. I knew I was female but I didn't
ever feel like I belonged. And if I went into shops on the
High Street I'd always gravitate to the men's bit because it
didn't feel like the the ladies side fit me.
I'd feel silly speaking to the so I'm going to get upset I
think, but it's part of your. Journey, it's beautiful and and
this so many people will relate to this yeah.
I just felt like I'd be judged if I was in shops and they'd
think, why you in here? Oh, no, sorry, no, no.
No, no thank you. Because it, you know, when I had
my store, it was one of the most important things for me was how
the team, how the staff greeted the customers because actually
it's clothes. This is not life or death.
This should enhance us and uplift us.
No one should ever be judging each other about our our
choices. This, this is just about between
our naked selves and the rest of the world.
I sometimes talk about clothes being our our armour.
Would you say you've ever used clothes in that way?
I think. Only in the sense if I was
playing sport, I'd feel part of a team and I'd feel included.
Yeah. And so I think when I was
younger, I'd love a uniform. Yeah.
Because I felt like I belonged then, but if I had to choose the
clothes, that's when I felt really up my depth and I felt
really insecure. And so I'd try and cover myself
up. Out of interest, were you?
In a uniform at school, yeah, yeah, and all the.
Way through to sixth form as well.
And I remember being so happy that we had to wear uniform and
sixth form, and a lot of the girls were like, 'cause they
were expressing themselves. And I was like, yes, yes, you
could. Hide, hide behind it, would you?
Do you think you're sort of evolving a bit of a uniform
yourself now? Yes, definitely.
And that's the words that Kate and I use to help me at least
start somewhere with clothes. So we'll talk about my uniform.
What sort of colors would be in my uniform?
So I'm starting to be more adventurous now.
So have like lighter colors and and mix black with Navy which
somebody told me that you shouldn't do.
Oh, that's rubbish. I love black and Navy.
It's so chic. It really is.
The French would always say black and Navy perfect together.
But I I have this abhorrence of rules in clothing, OK and rule
rules in colours. You know these people who do you
do your colours and say Adele, you should never wear this or
you know you are an autumn or a spring.
I just really. Thank you, Amanda.
No. So it's.
About it's about putting something on.
How does it feel looking in the mirror?
How do I think I look? OK, cool.
Another good one. Is a wardrobe selfie.
It's wait, you know, it's and then look at that picture and
think, do I like how that woman in that picture looks?
Right? Great.
Tip. All right, great.
Thank you. No, I'm learning all the time
honestly. Which is, Which is.
Wonderful. I mean, I I think we should
always be just trying things, you know, as we change and
evolve. Yeah.
How weird. Though that I've got to the age
of like 45 and never felt like closer for me.
Like everybody wears clothes and I've got this old Adele in my
experience. That's nothing.
I, I talk to women who are, you know, turning 60 and think they
have just found their style. So, so just enjoy the journey.
OK, cool. Thanks.
God, this. Is this is like style therapy,
isn't it? Absolutely.
Is what would you say? You reach for when you want to
feel empowered. I.
Think definitely black. I do love black.
I feel like in a way it makes me.
It's the superhero within me. I feel like, like you say, in
armour, black is my armour. But I've started to like quite
nice tailored things. I understand now how good
tailoring can really make you feel good.
Like even the fact that this has got shoulder pads, I've never
wear shoulder pads before and it just makes you just holds you
hold yourself differently, gives you a lovely.
Structure, doesn't it? Everything to to fall from,
Yeah. So I think.
I'm I try and have like nice fitted or tailored jackets now,
probably in darker colours. But yeah, try and have something
that helps me feel confident on the inside.
And when you? Want to feel cocooned?
What's Stay at home, chill out. Adele wearing Yeah, that's when.
I get my elastic waistbands. That's probably when I get the
trackies on. And for you?
What is the sexiest look for you to wear?
That's an interesting question because I don't think I ever
feel sexy in anything. Do you know now?
I think anything that shows Audrey.
So I've started to see my I would never wear bikinis before.
I wouldn't even go swimming. I wouldn't even wear a swimsuit.
But bikinis with Audrey, I just feel like, Oh my God, that looks
amazing. And I don't know why it does
actually. I will, I will say, you know,
looking at those images of you on Instagram, really chapeau to
you. Fantastic, fantastic.
Do you think you've got a style icon?
Hmm, I think it would have. To be Grace Jones.
I thought you were gonna say that.
And again I sent. Her loads of pictures of her to
the team that's dancing on ice. They probably ignored them when
I was like, can I look like that?
Yeah, 'cause she was so. Brave and bold.
Amazing. And those pictures of her in
Studio 54, you know, with like the hooded tops and like the big
lights, sort of. I, I don't know how to describe
it more. I find that.
Quite interesting because her looks are very brave and bold
and yet you're being quite apologetic to me about your
style choices. And, and so I find it very
interesting that you've got that sort of dichotomy going on.
So I think there's a whole braver boulder Adele emerging.
You've been warned. Are you very conscious of your
beauty routine? I do have to.
Be now, especially post chemo because I've got very sensitive
skin and very scarred skin actually.
So the the chemotherapy burnt a lot of my face.
Wow. And your skin looks.
Amazing. Thank you.
It really does. It's it's.
Certain types of make up to that's quite heavy to try and
sort of like make all my skin the same colour.
I've I'd use a lot of LaRoche. Their products are amazing and I
I know that it's quite kind to post chemo skin as well.
A lot of their products. I've just started trying the new
range, which is called Mella three, I think it's called.
But yeah, I have a lot of I make sure I take care of my skin and
make sure I wash it properly at night, take all my makeup off
and have a lot of like retinol, especially now I'm getting
older. Stop it hardly and beautiful
lashes yes, so I've. Kept the lashes from dancing on
ice. I would never wear lashes before
but I quite like how they sort of like because I've got no hair
now I feel like it's more hair. Yes, but it's lovely.
I mean, I think lashes always sort of really open up an eye,
don't they? Yeah, absolutely.
I've. Learned that lesson, yeah, but I
love. The little sort of very neat
little hair look, I think thank you.
It it really suits you and especially with the lashes and
the big smile. Fantastic.
It's it's easy to. Manage cause before COVID I used
to straighten my hair a lot and I just thought, why are you
doing this? Like have natural hair.
But then my natural hair was quite hard to manage.
And and so I thought, well, I lost a lot of my hair due to the
chemo. And when I cut it off, I just
thought it's natural, it's easy to manage.
Keep it. Yeah.
Good on you. Is.
I mean lucky you have you obviously you're doing a lot
that's quite high profile now with all the different sort of
appearances etcetera. Have you ever worked with a
stylist? No.
And apart from if I've been lucky enough to have an
interview, maybe with Say Hello magazine, they'll send a
stylist. And I'm really, I always look
forward to what how they see me and what they dress me in it.
It feels like I get to be somebody else for the day.
And you? Will you say no to if they if
they've got something that just you don't feel very you in?
Yeah, if I didn't. Feel comfortable I would, but
quite often I'll I'll try things and and just say be ask why not?
Because I think I'm trying to undo all that unhelpful
messaging that I had when I was younger.
So I'll be like, OK, well, why not try that?
And so far so good. Actually any.
Particular outfit that stands out as one that really surprised
you. Maybe it was pink or maybe it
was feathery or and A and a thing.
Yeah, absolutely. So on this shoot with Hello,
there was a lovely stylist called Kate Barber who I worked
with and she gave me a jumper similar to yours and a pink
skirt that sort of, I think it you'd call it a line.
It's like where it comes out of the bottom and I think it had
feathers on the bottom. Oh, lovely.
And it's totally something I wouldn't wear.
And she dressed me in that and I was like, Oh my God, I love it.
So yeah, I, I think. This Kate, this is sounding
expensive. As a woman of influence, do you
get gifted an awful lot of clothes by brands and stores
trying to promote I? I don't.
To be honest, there are a few brands that have sent me
jumpsuits, which is great. A a brand called Wild Clouds,
who I love. But I think that Kate and I are
trying to be more vocal. We're trying to show up a bit
more. So hopefully in the future, we
we could do that because I want all the women that identify with
us to see us and go, Oh, that, that is something that that
maybe I could wear because I do still struggle.
And I still as I'm walking up and down the High Street trying
to spot women or men and, and try and copy what they're doing
because I don't know how to do it for myself, but I'll see
someone and go, Oh, I really like the way that you look.
You look confident. Could I maybe try something
similar? So I think because Kate and I
are lucky enough to have a platform, I I'll try and sort of
like share clothes that make me feel good as much as possible.
Yeah, no, I. Think I think that's wonderful.
Would you say you've had a worst fashion moment?
Oh gosh, yeah, definitely. When I came off Big Brother I
was always in the worst, stressless always.
Oh no, I know. But I think magazines were much
meaner then. I don't.
I don't know if I'd make them as much now.
Do you remember 1? Specific, that just sort of
stands out yeah, so I had. I can't believe I'm.
Telling you this so I have. We're not going to put a.
Picture up, I promise you'll. Find it.
So I had, and I don't know why I wore this, but I think that's
the problem with not dressing like yourself, trying to dress
how you think you should dress. And a Playboy Bunny T-shirt with
a Vivienne Westwood kilt. And.
Like. These stiletto boots, it was
honestly, I did look terrible. I looked like an absolute mess.
At the time, that was the best I could do.
Did it make you feel good? No, no.
OK, then that didn't. Work.
Let's talk. About travel, do you have a go
to travel look? Yeah.
So again. The Korean pop stars have an
airport look, which I've learned about.
Oh, I know it's a. Thing I didn't know it was a.
Thing so I try and be smart now if the airport 'cause I thought
it was just you go in like the things you don't want to wear on
holiday, you don't want to waste it out for it.
So I used to go like an absolute mess, but now I try and dress
quite chic. So I'll often wear black, but I
would now maybe wear the Chanel trainers to the airport and and
pair it with like a nice trouser and a nice a nice top so that
when I'm going through security I try and not get padded down.
Now they always used to be like you, we need to check you.
But now I seem to get through so I must look better.
Would it? Would it bother you to be padded
down? Not at all.
I understand that they're just doing a job.
I think the only thing is sometimes, especially in other
countries, they'll feel my stoma and think it's potentially
something. So I have to discreetly say it's
a stoma or show them. So that's the only bit I worry
about now. Yeah.
Are you a good Packer or a bad Packer?
Really bad. So Kate, Kate packs my case and
then she gets mad because when we go on holiday I don't take
the things out of the case. So I I live from the suitcase.
She hates it. What?
She says it's good because she gets all the wardrobe space,
right. So the Silver Linings in there,
do you have a favorite luggage? We've just found this brand
called July and we quite like that brand.
But again, before that it was just anything that would fit my
clothes in, so it didn't used to be.
So if you're going away for longer than overnight, how many
bags do you honestly take? I have to take a lot.
More clothes now, because Audrey needs clothes, right?
So I have to take a lot of things.
So when I travel, I'll have pads that sleep on in hotel rooms in
case I have a leakage in the night.
I take spare colostomy bags so Audrey has a wardrobe and I have
a wardrobe so my bags are slightly so it's all Audrey's.
Fault is it? This is it.
She's a diva. She is such a diva.
Which? Brand, would you say is your
guilty secret? Is that because it's?
Expensive or because just. Maybe you buy more than most
wood from there. Or I mean, it could even be a a
site, you know, like we loved again.
It's starting to be re loved again.
I'm I obsessed with it. I'm on there every day to see
what new stuff they've got in. But I think I've found that Zara
clothes fit me really well. Yeah, I love their clothes,
especially their women's clothes cause usually I can't shop in
women's clothes. Sorry women's shop for women.
So Zara no. Why?
Why is? That just the fit.
Doesn't feel quite right to me, yeah.
But Zara seems. To fit me because since I've
lost weight, I'm also now a, a strange like small shape, you
know, because I'm not very tall. So so Zara fits really nicely.
And if you had a money no object brand, what would that be?
Oh my gosh, OK, now I've got into my designer brands.
Let me think the shop that me and Kate always we have a ritual
on a Sunday to make ourselves feel good.
We walk up and down New Bond Street.
And I. Always look in the window and
hope one day I can shop in there of Louis Vuitton.
So that would be my ideal brand for the future.
Now what is it about? Vuitton that makes you desirable
so much I. Just, I don't know, there's
something about that print. There's something as well about
the fact that all the K pop bands wear it.
I just. Love their window, even their
window displays. It just makes me feel like I
belong in there where some of the others, the other designer
brands, I'd look at it and go, OK, would love that.
But if there's just a vibration that comes through the window
where I'm like one day I'll be able to shop there and buy
something from there. Now you.
Say you go on Sundays, why not during the week and go in and go
into the store and explore it? That's a good idea.
We've never had the courage to go in, so I just walked through
the window. OK, right.
So I'm going to go. Should I go on a Monday and go
in when? When they're particularly quiet
and then you'll you'll be very, very looked after by this time.
No, but I. I'm a big fan of just going in
and trying things on. You see?
Wow, you. Take yourself out of your.
Comfort zone. OK, All right.
I'll, I'll. Try it, I'll give it a go.
Would you say you've got? Anything an excessive amount of
anything in particular in your wardrobe?
Socks I love. Socks.
I don't know why has that come from.
Post chemo, yes. It it's it's been worsened by
post chemo but I just love socks and I've got loads of them and I
love sleeping in socks. Favorite sock brand?
Or. Stunts are very good, but
they're running socks. But no, I'll take any socks you
haven't got into. Sort of.
Cashmere bed socks so well and I've heard.
You talking about Kashmir and I and I had to say to Kate, what
is Kashmir? Because I don't really
understand why it's good once touched.
Never forgotten. OK.
All right. So.
Louis Vuitton and Kashmir socks. Oh, you are in.
For an expensive time girl. But actually, the thing about
Kashmir is it's a natural fiber and it's sort of the real king
of fibers. And, you know, if you look after
it, it will look after you. You'll, you'll own something for
20 years. Is it dry clean though?
Or can you wash it? You can wash it.
Oh. OK, absolutely.
You can wash it gently. Yeah, yeah.
Big fan of washing cashmere. So when buying an expensive
piece, have you ever justified it with pounds per wear?
Oh, that's a good. Way of doing it?
I haven't actually. Oh dear.
I can feel that one coming on. I think my most expensive.
Purchases, though, are for other people, and I'll buy expensive
things for Kate, and I keep trying to make her let me
because we've been together for 20 years.
I wanted to get her something to celebrate that, and I wanted to
get her, I can't remember the name.
Oh yeah, a Birkin. Oh my goodness.
You generous girl, and she won't accept.
It she said she doesn't want a Birkin, but I want to.
Yeah, that will be my most expensive purchase when I
finally get her to accept it. But she she just won't have one.
And I don't know why, but you don't know why.
Is is it the price or is it how it looks?
It's probably because I've. Realized as well recently that
you you don't. You have to be invited to buy
them anyway. I don't even know.
You probably buy them on RE. Loved.
Second hand. Birkin.
Second hand Birkin. Give a Birkin a new life.
What's your approach to sustainable fashion?
Oh, I love sustainable. Fashion so wild clouds that I
mentioned before they're sustainable.
I yeah, I, I understand the responsibility to the planet.
And I understand that there's a lot of disposable clothing and
there's a lot of people that make clothing that aren't paid
well. And so, yeah, Kate and I try and
be more responsible with our choices.
And what do you do? With your clothes, once you've
had enough of them, we try and. Donate them or we'll give them
to family members or we will put them in the recycle bins.
Quite a lot of supermarkets have those now, but we always try and
dispose of them properly. Yeah, lovely.
Do you ever buy vintage? Is.
I don't think I do because. I I.
Feel like if it's if it's vintage I I get scared of like
who's had it on. And yet you buy.
From Relo, yeah, because. I feel for some reason it's only
had one owner whereas like I feel like vintage, I feel like
loads of people have had it on and I don't know where it's and
does that slightly. I.
Don't know how? No.
You're not the only. Person that I've spoken to that
feels a bit sort of creeped out by something having been on
different people's bodies, That's that's it.
Yeah. And I feel like sometimes you
can you can sense them. So I feel I feel like yeah, with
three loved it's had like one lady owner.
Probably has had. 50 lady owners.
But anyhow, I love the fact that you're going that way.
That's the story I'm telling. Myself what is the?
Oldest piece in your wardrobe? Well.
A while ago when I was on Big Brother and that didn't go very
well for me, the wonderful team at Vivienne Westwood were very
kind to me and invited me in and and gave me some clothes.
So the kilt I mentioned before they, they gave that to me.
They took me to their warehouse and gave me some of their old
sample clothes. Oh lovely, Which?
Was incredible. And a riot in.
There. Well, again, I didn't.
Know what I was doing? So in the in the end, they
almost had to give me clothes because I wouldn't pick
anything. And there's one of those classic
Vivienne Westwood BBT shirts, and I've got one of those and I
love it. And I think that's probably the
oldest piece of clothing because I think it was from when she
first made them back in the 80s. I think it might, might have
been late 70s. And I adore that T-shirt.
So that, yeah, that's safely started now.
Do you? Adore it for the memory of going
to the warehouse and that sort of quite a special memory
really, or because of how it looks, I think.
Definitely for the memory of them being so kind to me and
welcoming when a lot of people weren't.
But I think secondly, because of the type of woman Vivienne
Westwood was. And also in the 80s, there was a
lot of things that weren't very helpful.
But music. I loved music and I loved the
punk scene. I loved the rebellious nature.
And I feel like, again, I belong to be a part of my soul.
Understood. My first ever song that I got
was Adam and the Ants, Prince Charming, and I just love that
sort of like thrashy nature of punk.
I love disco as well, but definitely punk and I love the
fact that they were just like did what they wanted.
Were you inspired? By Adam's costumes at all?
Absolutely I. Thought it was stunning so I I
was beautiful. To him way before.
I mean, he was early sort of gender fluid dressing, wasn't
he? Yeah, and that's one.
Thing I loved about the 80s that the men looked like women.
You know that they would wear manscara.
And have. Eyeliner, like, I loved all the
New Romantics and yes, I I absolutely adored all that.
Brilliant. Right, time for some quick fire
questions. What fashion advice would you
give your 20 year old self? Oh gosh.
I would just say get over it and start expressing yourself.
Which fashion? Trend would you most like to see
make a comeback? Speaking of the. 80s electric
blue mascara. Wow, I used to love any.
Woman that wore that, I used to think they were a supermodel.
If you had that on back in the day, I'd be like, my God, you're
so beautiful. What fashionable?
Beauty trend Would you consign to run one O 1?
Right, so sorry. To any fellow runners that have
these, but they creep me out as much as what we were saying
about vintage clothes and where they might have been.
But you know those trainers where you can see people's toes?
Right 101. For those your last impulse buy,
I try and leave it. In the shop for 24 hours to know
if I really want it. But it probably would be
something like technology wise because I love buying tech.
So probably just like, yeah, Airpods or whatever.
I love that. Theory of leaving something for
24 hours. I'm a big fan of that.
By the way, your views on tattoos I love.
Tattoos, but I don't have them. Beauty.
Treatment you couldn't give up. My new skin routine.
So looking after my skin. Nice stuff, high end or high?
Street. He the majority.
Of my clothes are High Street but I want to be high end bling
or bear. Definitely.
Bling. I don't see bling but I love
people in bling, couture or charity.
Shop Oh oh. Gosh, that's a hard one.
It'd have to be couture. I don't really own much but
yeah, Crocs. Cute or puke?
Sorry, dad, Puke. Sneakers or stilettos,
Definitely. Sneakers, boyfriends or wide.
Legs. And jeans.
Oh. Right.
OK, I. Was like I haven't got a.
Boyfriend. No, sorry.
Girlfriend. Or wide legs.
No, it's so funny, the image in my head, a boyfriend's the baggy
one. They are.
Yeah. Boyfriends.
Sports. Lux or rock chick?
Is that 3 No Sports lux Sports lux?
Or rock chick sports. Lux red carpet.
Or relax. Relax, trend or style?
Style. Colour.
Or monochrome. Monochrome experimental or UU?
Cashmere or cotton cashmere? Hoarder or editor?
Oh, editor. Shapewear or.
Sexy lingerie. Oh gosh.
Shapewear tights or stockings or hold UPS?
Tights. Bikini or one piece bikini?
Beanie. Or Berry.
I'm gonna go beret. I've never tried a beret, but I
think I'd yeah I'd like to try feeling that coming.
On yeah. And finally, at the end of the
day, what do you or don't you wear in bed?
Socks. Oh I love.
That Adele, thank you for your open and honest and heartfelt
answers. Absolutely beautiful.
I've loved our conversation. Me too and thank you for.
All the mentoring. Sorry, that was.
No, it's good. I can't help myself.
I need it. Thank you.