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Today I'm going on a style 

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journey with the award-winning 
BBC broadcaster, TV personality 

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and DJ, cancer survivor and 
marathon record holder, the 

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remarkable Adele Roberts. 
Hello and welcome Adele and 

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Audrey. 
I should say yes. 

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We're both here. 
Thank you so much for having us 

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on. 
Oh my goodness, it's a pleasure 

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to meet you and to have you here
'cause your book Personal Best 

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From Rock Bottom to Top of the 
World, has just recently come 

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out. 
So let's just talk about that 

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for a moment. 
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Do you know, I spent a lot of 
the time thinking about that 

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book around here, running up and
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the marathon? 
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Yeah. 
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just over there. 
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Yeah, it's beautiful. 
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that over to Battersea Park. 
Yeah, to the big Buddha, the. 

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Golden Buddha. 
I go to the Golden Buddha most 

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mornings of my dog. 
Amazing. 

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And I used to dream of, well, I 
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my body from cancer and and 
dream of one day being fit 

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enough to run the marathon 
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And it happened. 
Was visualisation an important 

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part of a your marathon record 
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getting that cancer out of you? 
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I think that I've realized as 
I've got older how powerful the 

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mind is, and I think quite often
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On Goosebumps now. 
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The mind can carry on when the 
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fail. 
And I think that the mindset was

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key to me getting through cancer
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And it's a daily goal in my head
to make sure that I keep moving 

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forward and don't look 
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So visualization without a 
doubt. 

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So do you have a a sort of 
morning routine to get yourself 

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into that headspace? 
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I understand now how important 
the senses are so I try and have

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nice smells. 
I try and treat myself better. 

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I've got much better at 
self-care so anything that 

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touches my body I try and have 
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Something that makes me feel 
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It doesn't have to be expensive 
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good. 
I am very mindful of not putting

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junk into my body either through
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all the time and especially 
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So I try not to consume too much
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So if I feel like I'm starting 
to feel sad, I'll take myself 

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away because I, I really feel 
like anything that enters your 

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body stays within you. 
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happened to me over my lifetime.
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that's where the cancer came 
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Me not dealing with my problems,
me trying to ignore it. 

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That's fascinating. 
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because we're on the flight 
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going. 
So so you've felt that sort of 

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toxicity just SAT within you. 
Yeah, I did. 

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And I was sad and I was down for
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about losing my auntie. 
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and I had a hard life up until 
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But losing her, she was an 
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She was like you. 
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She was somebody that I aspire 
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good things in my life and and 
somebody that I could relate to,

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but somebody that I could try 
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And and sadly, she passed away 
really suddenly and that sent me

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on a downward spiral and I 
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feelings. 
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her. 
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my cousins had lost their mom. 
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terrible inside, like I'd lost a
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couldn't verbalize that to them.
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and went on a national TV show 
called Big Brother and just 

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almost thought I'm going to run 
away from reality and go and sit

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in this TV show and pretend it's
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And that was sort of like the 
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And it was for many years that I
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Grief is a very, very complex 
thing and and everyone has a 

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different way of of processing 
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Yeah, and but wonderful that you
are here today with bells on and

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a beautiful jumpsuit ONS. 
I'm so glad you said that I 

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brought this to try and impress 
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Oh well. 
Tell me about it. 

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OK, so this jumpsuit is well, my
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out. 
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I've been watching your 
Instagram a lot and I I'll be 

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honest with you, I'm I'm not the
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So this is one area of my life 
where I'm trying to get better. 

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And I noticed that you said this
season whites and and light 

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colors are in and I always. 
I'm glad I put this sweater on 

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this morning. 
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wears black. 
So I, I found I think when I was

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like not very well and not in a 
good place, wearing black helped

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me blend into the background. 
So that's where I feel safe. 

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So I'll, I'll often wear black, 
but if I want to show up or try 

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and put out good energy, I'll 
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So this jumpsuit is, are they 
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So it's like a designer brand? 
Yes, but it's it's been owned by

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somebody else and then. 
Brilliant. 

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Yeah. 
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I'll need help saying the label 
but it's Sonia. 

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Sonia Ricciale. 
There you go, you. 

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Mentioned it when I 'cause I, I 
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you arrived, but it's so chic 
'cause it's sort of got this 

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tailoring vibe. 
And yet you've got this sort of 

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very sporty feel about it too. 
The sort of yeah, you know, 

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drawn waste and and the you 
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of jogger type Panton as part of
the jumpsuit. 

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Yeah, I love jumpsuits. 
They make me feel very 

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comfortable. 
And I think it's because the top

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and the bottoms match, so don't 
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That's one less decision. 
And then also I have a stoma and

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usually jumpsuits sit nicely 
around my stoma and give me room

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to expand if I need to. 
That is interesting. 

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I am gonna come on to Audrey 
your your stoma, but just in 

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terms of your book, but I just I
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about that. 
So you were writing it in your 

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head as you were training for 
the marathon. 

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Is that fair to say? 
Yeah, well, I guess I didn't 

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know I'd have a book because I 
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of person who could write a 
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I I didn't know I had a book in 
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I think it was more that I was 
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marathon in my head. 
So when I woke up from my 

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surgery, the removal of the 
bowel cancer, I really felt like

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I had a second chance at life. 
And I thought, you've got to 

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almost live every single day, 
like a mini lifetime and you 

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have to get yourself back on 
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Don't make that mistake of last 
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grief. 
There was a part of grieving for

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my old body because I've now got
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I woke up from the surgery, 
realized that I had a stoma 

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'cause that wasn't necessarily 
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So it was only when I woke up 
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stoma and I remember. 
How did that feel, actually, 

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that moment, I mean, that you 
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had the stoma? 
I think I was so grateful to be 

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awake and alive. 
Yeah, that I was so grateful to 

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have a stoma. 
And I knew that stoma was 

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essential to me surviving the 
surgery. 

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Yeah, I had to have it. 
And I remember peeling back the 

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covers and looking down and 
seeing Audrey for the first 

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time. 
When did you name her Audrey? 

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So that was a couple of days 
later and we had some great 

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nurses in hospital who said some
people name their stomas to help

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them sort of get their head 
around this massive change to 

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their body. 
So I was like, OK, And they 

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weren't think of a name. 
So they came back the next day 

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and they said, have you thought 
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And I said, oh, yeah. 
And they said, what, what's you 

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stoma called? 
And I said Audrey. 

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And they went, oh, Audrey 
Hepburn. 

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I said no. 
Have you seen Little Shop of 

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horrors? 
And then the nurses faces were 

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like what? 
And it's it's because in Little 

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Shop of Horrors there's a plant 
that's a Venus fly trap that 

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looks like Audrey. 
It's kind of like, like a little

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mouth. 
So that's what Audrey's named 

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after. 
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from Little Shop of Horrors. 
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Brilliant. 
Brilliant. 

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I mean, you know, when I think 
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from rock bottom to top of the 
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home, as human beings, it's it's
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sort of at a point in our lives 
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whatever reason, grief or health
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But I do feel that your book is 
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for those people who may be at a
rock bottom moment because you 

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are just here and glowing and 
just sort of, you know, exuding 

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health and positivity when this 
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were. 
In a bad. 

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Place in a bad place. 
Yeah, Thank you, Amanda, That 

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that makes me so happy because 
that's what I wanted to try and 

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do. 
I think that I say in the book 

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it it was the ultimate set back,
but it was also the ultimate 

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comeback. 
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things happen to people and some
people don't even feel like they

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can share and talk about it. 
So I hope my book finds those 

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people. 
I hope that they see themselves 

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reflected in the book and I hope
they know that if you don't give

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up, you can't be stopped. 
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And oh, I love that line. 
If you don't get up, you can't 

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be stopped. 
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And, and I've seen that from my 
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They've had much, I think, 
tougher lives than I have, but 

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they never gave up. 
And they always loved, loved us.

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I've, I've come from very humble
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knew that. 
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Is, is that if you feel like 
you've got people that love you 

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and you feel like you will just 
always keep going and moving 

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forward, no matter how small, 
then you can achieve anything. 

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I really believe that. 
Yeah, it and and how lucky are 

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we to have partners and family 
that that love us? 

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Yeah. 
And you know, I often think of 

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that, you know, if I, if I'm 
having a sort of lower moment 

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and I I think of a friend who 
was has no parents and has no 

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family in this world and and 
that must be that. 

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That's really tough. 
Yeah, definitely. 

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I've grown up around a lot of 
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I grew up on various council 
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that in the book. 
I went to seven different 

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schools. 
We were always being moved 

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around by the council and there 
was it was always chaotic in our

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house, but it was always filled 
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And I look at my friends that 
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me and that gives me a lot of 
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well as me is because they 
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love them. 
And so I feel incredibly lucky 

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all the time for if you have 
someone in your life that like, 

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fights for you and loves you, I 
think you're the richest person 

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in the world. 
I totally am with you on that 

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one. 
I, I really, really I, I here's 

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to that, yes. 
So you grew up in this lovely 

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household with you're the oldest
of six siblings. 

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Were you very aware of your 
parents style growing up? 

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Oh, absolutely. 
My mom especially. 

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Do you know what's really 
strange? 

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Like my mom sadly passed away at
the start of this year. 

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And so people have been, Yeah, 
thank you. 

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People have been sending me 
photos of her when she was 

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younger. 
And I didn't really remember her

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'cause I was a baby. 
And she was so stylish. 

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She was like, so cool. 
But because when I sort of like 

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could remember my mom and she 
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she always sort of gave us 
everything that she should have 

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had herself. 
And so she didn't really take 

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care of herself and, and 
especially in terms of dressing.

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And, and I think that that is 
something that I had to learn 

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later on in life because I 
didn't take care of myself. 

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And I used to dress a very 
different way. 

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And my partner Kate's been 
really good at helping me 

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understand that dressing and and
styling can be a form of 

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expression. 
It's not vain to look good. 

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It's self love. 
It really is self love and and 

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I've learned that lesson now and
that and it's not like my mum 

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ever said, you know, if you take
care of yourself, you're vain. 

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But I think that she always made
sacrifices. 

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So we were the ones that had the
things and she never, you know. 

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Kids to look after. 
Totally. 

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So she's. 
Surprised, she. 

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So she'd always have like baggy 
T-shirts or leggings on and she 

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never sort of like looked after 
her appearance. 

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And, and looking back, I feel 
sad now. 

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I feel like, oh I wish I'd have 
like, I don't know, got a paper 

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round and bought her a top or 
something. 

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You. 
Know 'cause she deserved it, 

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'cause she's, she was an amazing
woman. 

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But I, I don't think her clothes
reflected that. 

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And so that's something I'm 
working on to hopefully honour 

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my mum and say, mum, I'll dress 
nice for you too. 

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Oh, that's a lovely, lovely 
thought. 

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I mean, you have three sisters. 
There's Yeah, that's right. 

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Yeah. 
Four girls. 

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Yeah, that's right. 
Were you very conscious of each 

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other's style growing up or? 
Yeah, my sisters are beautiful. 

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They are the stylish ones. 
So they they do. 

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Hang on, can we just hold a 
mirror up? 

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Please stop it. 
Well, I think, I think when I 

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was younger, I was thinking 
about this the other day. 

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If anybody mentioned my 
appearance, it would be that I 

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was masculine or I was a tomboy 
or I, yeah, I don't think 

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anybody ever made me feel good 
in terms of appearance. 

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And I think I never really fit 
in. 

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My hair was always weird or my 
skin was too dark or it's too 

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light. 
And so I didn't really focus on 

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the way I looked. 
I I think when it came to my 

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body, I was more sporty. 
So I, I knew it could work well,

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but I didn't think it looked 
good. 

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And so, yeah, I think, again, 
I'm trying to change that 

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mindset, yeah. 
Because you know, I I doing my 

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research, you would definitely a
lot larger than you are now. 

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Absolutely. 
And I was just wondering what 

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was your approach to dressing 
back then? 

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Really bad. 
I'll be honest with you, as soon

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as puberty hit and then I was 
old enough to sort of like go to

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the shops with my friends and 
that's when you start choosing 

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your own clothes. 
I was so out of my depth. 

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I didn't know how to dress. 
I didn't really see women that 

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looked like me reflected in the 
media really all the magazines 

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we were reading and I I didn't 
know what to wear. 

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And if I did try and dress like 
the ladies in the magazines who 

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look beautiful didn't quite fit 
my body. 

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And I think that led me to then 
feel a bit bad about myself. 

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And then I think I dealt with 
that by eating lots of food. 

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And then that was sort of like 
a. 

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That's a spiral, yeah. 
And, and so I just just wear 

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sports clothes a lot. 
But so that, that I, I could 

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expand into them. 
I didn't use them as sport. 

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I used them because they were 
comfortable. 

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And yeah, I think I even I went 
even more tomboyish and and less

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sort of like traditionally 
feminine and just didn't feel 

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like a fit in. 
But now you've come through 

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cancer. 
You got Audrey sitting here. 

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Can you explain what Audrey 
actually means to you physically

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first, just so that I can 
understand that. 

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And then I want to move on to 
the dressing around her. 

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You know, I think about having a
stomer on you and running a 

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marathon. 
Yeah. 

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And that's a lot of. 
That's a lot of friction. 

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And do you tape it down to? 
Great question, actually. 

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Yeah, you, you're so right. 
I didn't. 

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The practical side of me. 
No, that's the really good 

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question because I, I think that
when I first decided to do the 

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marathon, I, I went online to 
see if all the Oster mates had 

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done marathons and I couldn't 
find much information because it

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is tricky, it is hard. 
So anything that I eat or drink 

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will essentially come out of the
stoma and, and into my stoma 

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bag, right. 
So a lot of people don't realize

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that the stoma is a bit of my 
intestine that's now out the 

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front of my body. 
So. 

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Literally comes out from the 
inside. 

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Yeah, so I have. 
I have a piece of intestine 

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that's actually on the outside 
of my body. 

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Now people won't realise as well
that it moves on its own. 

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Oh my goodness. 
How? 

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How it is strange? 
Sometimes she is a little human 

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being, a little, a little. 
Cheeky monkey. 

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Yeah, she's naughty, yeah. 
So it it'll move. 

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So as you digest, your body 
doesn't know it's not attached, 

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so it'll move. 
Right. 

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And then any output, as it's 
called, will go into the bag. 

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So I've got the intestine there 
and then a bag that goes over 

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it. 
Yeah. 

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But you're quite right. 
If if anybody wants to take on 

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the challenge of a marathon, 
you'll know that the main thing 

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is apart from training, 
hydration and nutrition, Yeah, 

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you have to fuel yourself 
properly. 

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But how do you do that if 
essentially everything that you 

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eat and drink is going to come 
straight out? 

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Yeah. 
So this is like a non-stop tap. 

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Wow. 
So. 

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The moment I put stuff in. 
So I'm drinking coffee now. 

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The coffee is gonna come out in 
about an hour I think, so I have

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to make sure. 
I'm for giving me an hour. 

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So I have to always make sure 
that I know where toilets are, 

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yeah, Just in case my bag fills 
up and I need to empty it, yeah.

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So manage that physically when a
in a three and a half hour, I 

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mean your time was 
extraordinary. 

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Hello, record-breaking. 
Well, but that's another thing. 

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But so how did you manage that? 
Yeah, it was like spinning 

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plates and I almost had to only 
take on enough hydration and 

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fuel to sort of get used up live
in the race because if I had too

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much, it would have ended up in 
the bag and I'd have to stop and

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then not be able to set a 
Guinness World Record. 

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So it was a constant sort of 
like battle. 

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And and going back to what you 
said about friction, we have 

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these running belts that help 
sort of like secure the stomach.

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But in the training, because my 
body was still recovering from 

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cancer and chemo, I did get a 
lot of friction and and I'd end 

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up with a lot of blood in the 
back, unfortunately, because 

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it's essentially like soft 
tissue and on your body and it 

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the that friction will make it 
bleed. 

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Yeah. 
So yeah, it's a constant, sort 

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of like tweaking in a constant 
battle, but. 

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I mean, I do you literally have 
to tape down the stoma bag or do

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you just do you wear sort of a 
tighter undergarment to keep it 

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in place? 
Yeah, I've got like a Spanx 

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almost like, yeah. 
So it's a piece of material that

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goes just over like the bag. 
And I sort of like tuck the bag 

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in. 
And so yeah, it's like a an 

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elasticated belt. 
Yeah. 

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Yeah, it's that sort of thing. 
Wow. 

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And so you went on Guinness Book
of Records. 

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Amazing. 
Amazing. 

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When in your sort of normal 
running activity, what's your 

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favorite running brand kit? 
Another great question, So 

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because my feet are still 
sensitive from chemo so I'm two 

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years out and I didn't realise 
this about chemotherapy. 

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Because it leaves the base of 
your feet quite numb. 

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Yeah, yes. 
So I have neuropathy and also 

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very sensitive hands and feet. 
And so I use these really big 

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trainers that a lot of people 
laugh at, but I need them. 

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And it's a brand called Hocker 
or Hooker. 

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Yes, yes. 
And they do like a really big 

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comfy shoe, and that's what I 
run in. 

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Yeah, but my feet is starting to
heal now, so I can probably get 

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lighter trainers. 
But I love big comfy trainers. 

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And then the rest of your kit. 
Oh, yeah. 

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So, so here's a hack for anybody
who maybe wants to get fit. 

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When I first started getting 
fit, I started walking. 

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I never used to run and I just 
promised myself to walk every 

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day. 
And I just went to local Sports 

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Direct. 
I went to Primark and I just 

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bought the cheapest kit to make 
sure that I had no excuses. 

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And I put it out in the morning 
and I, it's like that's your 

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outfit, you're getting dressed 
in that and you're doing the 

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exercise. 
So a lot of my kit is stuff 

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leftover from when I was much 
bigger and I had like really 

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cheap Primark gear. 
So that's, that's what I run in 

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just because I like it and it 
makes me, it reminds me of how 

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far I've come. 
That's lovely. 

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That's lovely. 
I know that when you go through 

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chemo, your your skin can get 
hypersensitive. 

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What did you reach for during 
that time? 

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What what were your favorite 
sort of comfort clothes? 

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Another great question. 
I do try. 

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Yeah, just sort of like 
oversized some some jumpsuits 

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sort of like you know the the 
onesies that you can get that 

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are kind of fleecy. 
So it would that be called a 

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onesie, not a jumpsuit. 
Yeah, well. 

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One or the other, I mean, yeah. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

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So things like that. 
And then also I'd wear like a 

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lot of track suits because when 
you first get stoned with the 

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quite the quite sore. 
So yeah, you need trousers that 

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go above them or underneath 
them, or at least like say 

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something you can expand into. 
Yeah, and were you very aware of

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the weight of your clothes? 
Definitely, yeah. 

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Lighter clothes because like you
say, the the skin was very 

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sensitive and I'm obsessed with 
socks. 

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So I used to put socks on with 
this cream called bag balm and 

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urea cream because it used to 
treat my feet and keep the soles

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my feet on because if I didn't 
do that they'd like. 

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Come off because of the chemo. 
Yeah. 

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God, yeah, Now I know you and 
your life partner of 20 years. 

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Congratulations, Kate 
Holderness, who's here with us 

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today. 
You're keen LBGT campaigners. 

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Yeah. 
What's your favorite pride Look?

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These questions are so amazing. 
We try and complement each 

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other. 
So I, I've got this thing in my 

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head about hers and hers because
you don't really see that. 

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And so I think it's interesting 
when you have two women that are

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different style wise, we're also
different in our backgrounds so 

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that we look totally different 
and we try and sort of dress in 

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our own way but complement each 
other. 

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So it's almost like it reminds 
me of the top of a wedding cake.

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So I guess I'm the groom and 
Kate's the bride. 

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We always try. 
And you do that on a daily 

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basis. 
Not on a daily basis, but if we 

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come and try and impress Someone
Like You, we try and coordinate.

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So hopefully we've got that 
right to that you. 

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Really have my goodness. 
Lovely. 

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But I I think, yeah, we, we try,
if we go to an event, complement

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each other. 
But I try and dress in things 

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that make me feel comfortable 
and Kate dresses in things that 

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make her feel comfortable. 
Lovely. 

451
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:07,760
Now, if you were ever to get 
married, what do you think you'd

452
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,040
wear? 
You see, this is the reason I've

453
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:11,920
not got married, Amanda, because
I don't know what to. 

454
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:13,840
Stop it. 
I'm being serious. 

455
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:19,200
Clothes really overwhelm me. 
So I, I get Kate has to pick her

456
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,240
moments when she takes me 
shopping because I just get 

457
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:25,520
really overwhelmed with choice. 
And so if you went, if you came 

458
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,200
to my house, you'd see Kate's 
rail, which is like beautiful. 

459
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:29,600
And it's like all the colours of
the rainbow. 

460
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,600
And mine is just like black, 
black, black, black, black and 

461
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:37,320
maybe one white top. 
I, I don't know whether I'd wear

462
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,400
a dress or wear sort of like 
maybe a jumpsuit 'cause I feel 

463
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,120
like jumpsuits are starting to 
be my thing now. 

464
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,120
And I also don't know if Audrey 
will be there because eventually

465
00:23:45,120 --> 00:23:48,360
Audrey will, will get reversed. 
So I guess I'll have, yeah. 

466
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,280
So we'll have a bye bye Audrey 
moment, I know. 

467
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:58,240
And I wonder if your style will 
change then or not, because it 

468
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:03,320
feels like you're finding you're
really now discovering your own 

469
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,560
style. 
Yeah, getting a stoma made me 

470
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,600
love my body for the first time.
I I remember seeing myself in 

471
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,560
the mirror and for the first 
time feeling connected to my 

472
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,840
body and appreciating it and 
seeing it as beautiful. 

473
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,920
And I know that sounds like 
really strange to maybe some 

474
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,920
people, but I was just like, for
the first time, I like, I loved 

475
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,680
myself. 
And and it's because I realized 

476
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:26,680
what that body had been through 
to keep me alive. 

477
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,120
And I and I just felt so 
grateful. 

478
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,720
So you're right. 
I think I'm starting to find my 

479
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:33,760
style. 
But I think if Audrey wasn't 

480
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,600
here, I might just have slightly
tighter clothes. 

481
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:43,360
Yeah, maybe. 
Now, as a DJ, how did you go 

482
00:24:43,360 --> 00:24:45,800
about choosing your looks? 
Yeah. 

483
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:49,360
So I got into radio, I think 
because you couldn't see the 

484
00:24:49,360 --> 00:24:52,040
radio DJ, and then they changed 
it all and they made everything 

485
00:24:52,120 --> 00:24:54,560
like very visual. 
I was like, oh great, listen, 

486
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:58,440
even a podcaster's visual. 
So again, I think I. 

487
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:02,120
Just tried to what What's really
cool about radio DJs is that 

488
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,000
essentially your work clothes 
are who you are. 

489
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,040
Yeah. 
So you can really, like, express

490
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,120
yourself. 
So I think that just like sporty

491
00:25:09,120 --> 00:25:13,440
things, I never felt out of 
place in a radio studio because 

492
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:17,080
you can be like cool and be who 
you are and nobody questions it.

493
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,440
Whereas maybe if I worked in an 
office, people would be like, 

494
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,280
why have you got a hoodie on? 
You know, or my ask about like 

495
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,600
why you why haven't you got a 
uniform on or why have you not 

496
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,680
got like an office look? 
But I think, yeah, as a as a DJ 

497
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,600
ad wear like a lot of sort of 
like sports clothes, but dress 

498
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,560
them up with like nice trainers 
or whatever. 

499
00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:35,320
So some, some of it's sort of 
like street wear's like quite 

500
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,440
fashionable now, isn't it? 
So yeah, now I. 

501
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:43,200
Know that you obviously 
interviewed a lot of very famous

502
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,280
people. 
Were you, for example, when you 

503
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:50,960
interviewed Mel B, who I know 
you were a big fan of, were you 

504
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,920
very conscious of what you put 
on for that interview? 

505
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,080
I think as I. 
Went further in my career 

506
00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:01,200
definitely, but at the start I'd
I wasn't awake enough to myself 

507
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,680
to dress nice. 
I I got it wrong a lot of the 

508
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:08,200
time and and I was a lot bigger 
back then, so I think I just 

509
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:12,040
tried to pass as a normal human,
you know what I mean? 

510
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:16,160
So try not to attract attention.
But if I interviewed Mel B now, 

511
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,040
I would go, I would give her the
works. 

512
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,000
Yeah, I would really try and 
impress her. 

513
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,320
And out of interest. 
Would you ever? 

514
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:27,880
If so, now would you ever try 
and mirror the person that you 

515
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:31,200
were interviewing in terms of 
mirroring their style? 

516
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,560
I don't think. 
I would do that consciously, but

517
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,400
like you've said to me today, I 
try and immerse myself in their 

518
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,320
world. 
So I would do a lot of reading 

519
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,920
about them and watching all 
their interviews that they've 

520
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,040
done to get a sense of who they 
are and then turn up on the day 

521
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,640
and try and have an engaging 
chat, you know, like we're 

522
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,880
having now. 
But so I don't know if 

523
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,920
subconsciously I might pick up a
bit of their style, but I think 

524
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,440
I try and hopefully create an 
environment where that person 

525
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,960
can let that aura shine through.
Yeah. 

526
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,680
Yeah. 
So. 

527
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,640
You're. 
Would you say you're in the 

528
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,400
process of discovering your 
style? 

529
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,800
Absolutely. 
Yeah, and I think brands are 

530
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:14,960
getting better at attracting 
women like me. 

531
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,600
I think that diversity is 
getting much better and 

532
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,440
representation. 
I don't see many brands that 

533
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,800
maybe work with models who have 
stomas. 

534
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,040
So I think things like that can 
be improved. 

535
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,720
I know that a lot of people with
stoma's struggle because they 

536
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:33,080
don't see themselves reflected 
and it's a, a non visible 

537
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,640
disability. 
So by design, people don't 

538
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,600
really have them on show. 
And so as much as possible, I 

539
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:43,240
try and talk about mine and Kate
and I recently went on a holiday

540
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,960
to Malta and I just made sure 
that I was out and about on the 

541
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:50,200
beach, you know, in, in a bikini
with my stoma showing and, and 

542
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,320
luckily, well, not luckily, but 
thankfully nobody battered an 

543
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,000
eyelid. 
So I feel like it's getting 

544
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,920
better. 
I feel like there's more and 

545
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:01,680
more women that are being 
represented now, but yeah, I I 

546
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,400
think that I'm getting better at
dressing and I think the 

547
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,520
industry's getting better at 
welcoming people like me and 

548
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,800
when. 
You say people like me, are you 

549
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:14,320
talking are you referring to the
stoma not? 

550
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,320
Really, I think it's more 
probably women that don't feel 

551
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:21,120
feminine, but in the traditional
sense of feminine I I think 

552
00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:22,840
that's what it is and I 
understand now. 

553
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,680
I am feminine, it's just that I 
didn't realize. 

554
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,000
And did you? 
So you didn't feel feminine for 

555
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,640
a long time. 
Do you remember when you first 

556
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:37,600
started not feeling feminine? 
Or did you ever feel feminine? 

557
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,360
Yeah, no, I've. 
Never felt feminine and like I 

558
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,080
say, went thinking back because 
I try and do a lot of soul 

559
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,280
searching now. 
I was never referred to as 

560
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:46,920
feminine. 
Yeah. 

561
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,880
I was always told you're like a 
boy or you're a tomboy or Yeah, 

562
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,280
but do you think that was a. 
Bit chicken and egg because you 

563
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:59,440
were referred to like that, you 
felt more more tomboyish, more 

564
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,040
masculine. 
I think you're right. 

565
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,160
Yeah, I think I was saying this 
the other day. 

566
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,920
I used to see women like Grace 
Jones, and I'd be like, she's so

567
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,320
beautiful and she's, to me was 
feminine. 

568
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,080
But people when I was younger 
would say that she was like a 

569
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,320
man or she'd be like the body 
and the Bond movie. 

570
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,680
And I think it's just little 
subconscious things like that 

571
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,880
that make you feel like, oh, 
she's not feminine. 

572
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,640
It's like looking back, she's so
feminine, she's so stunning, 

573
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,040
she's so beautiful. 
But it's, I think it's just 

574
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,560
unhelpful messaging when you're 
a child and you don't quite 

575
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,400
understand. 
Yes, 'cause. 

576
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,440
So much just you absorb 
subconsciously. 

577
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,000
Yeah, absolutely. 
And I think that's why I'm 

578
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,200
trying to get better and trying 
to be more vocal because 

579
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,920
hopefully it doesn't happen to 
all the kids around the country 

580
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,840
that feel like they don't quite 
fit in and so there's something 

581
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:46,440
wrong with them 'cause there's 
not. 

582
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:52,160
Which brands? 
Do you find you are sort of most

583
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:57,160
drawn to Kate's helping me? 
Get better in terms of designer 

584
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,280
brands cuz I think that again, 
self worth. 

585
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,480
I didn't feel like I deserved to
wear designer brands. 

586
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,320
So now I look to a lot of Korean
artists. 

587
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:09,360
So I love Kpop and I love a lot 
of like the boys that are in the

588
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:10,840
boy bands because they're 
effeminate. 

589
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,040
So they're, they're almost like 
a halfway house. 

590
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:14,960
They're they're, they're men, 
but they're very feminist. 

591
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:16,640
They're quite. 
Gender. 

592
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,720
Fluid like we were. 
Talking about earlier, yeah, 

593
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,600
totally so. 
Now I'll I'll see what they're 

594
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:21,960
wearing and I'm like, I like 
that. 

595
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,080
I'll wear that. 
So they wear a lot of designer 

596
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,480
brands, but they sort of like 
mix it with street wear. 

597
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:32,840
So they might have say, like a 
Louis V bag and sort of like 

598
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:37,240
Adidas trainers or you you see 
the the Y-3 collaboration with 

599
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,520
Adidas or Stella McCartney might
work with Adidas. 

600
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,680
And I think that's a happy house
for me, Yeah. 

601
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,320
Now, you talked about trainers 
earlier which so which are your 

602
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,720
favorite? 
Are you a big collector of 

603
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,360
trainers? 
I'm I'm guessing. 

604
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:50,840
Better at collecting trainers 
again. 

605
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,680
I didn't, I, I used to limit 
myself 'cause I used to think 

606
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,560
that I was being selfish and 
self indulgent. 

607
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,160
So I'm I'm getting better and I 
think there's a question that 

608
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,240
might be coming up that I won't 
ruin the answer to, but no, go 

609
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:04,680
for it should. 
I just say it just. 

610
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,280
Go. 
Just say it my. 

611
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,960
Most expensive item of clothing 
is now a pair of Chanel 

612
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:11,040
trainers. 
Oh. 

613
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,640
Wonderful, I. 
Didn't buy them from the shop. 

614
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,360
I got them on the same site that
I got this jumpsuit from. 

615
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,840
Now which site was this? 
You're going to ask. 

616
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:20,280
You're going to have to ask 
Kate, aren't you? 

617
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,240
Kate, which site? 
Was it? 

618
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,400
Is that all right? 
Is it really love to cab? 

619
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:26,560
Yes. 
Oh. 

620
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:28,560
Amazing. 
Yeah, and it and it's near. 

621
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:32,640
Here, actually, it's in Chelsea.
Sorry, Am I allowed to say where

622
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:33,600
we are? 
Is that OK? 

623
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:35,880
It's. 
Fairly obvious. 

624
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,120
Where we are because there's 
sort of the. 

625
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,800
Bridge gives it. 
Everything gives it away and. 

626
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,680
They, I love the idea of that. 
I feel like I can stomach that. 

627
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:49,480
So designer brands, but cheaper 
that you can give a new home to 

628
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,440
it's more sustainable, you know,
and these Chloe traders like 

629
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,120
they come with their own bag, 
which is amazing because I've 

630
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,640
never had trainers that come 
with a bag and they're my 

631
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,480
favorite possession and I wear 
them for best do you and 

632
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,440
they're. 
Not too heavy, you know, They're

633
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,240
very. 
Light, yeah, they're sort of 

634
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,600
like they're, they're similar to
the ones I've got on today 

635
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,520
actually just like a bit of a 
smaller heel and like a fabric 

636
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:11,880
upper. 
Yeah, no those. 

637
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:13,160
They're, they're good ones, 
aren't they? 

638
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:19,640
Now, if I were to ask Kate how 
to describe your style DNA in 

639
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,400
three words, what do you think? 
What 3 words would those be? 

640
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:33,560
OK, I think. 
Comfortable, quiet, I think, and

641
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,240
I won't say the word unassuming 
and I don't know why. 

642
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,040
Oh, I like that. 
Yeah, I was going to. 

643
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,760
Say confident, but I think I'm 
still working on my confidence. 

644
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:45,440
So eventually it will be 
confident. 

645
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,080
But I think, yeah, unassuming. 
I like to sort of blend into the

646
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:50,680
background. 
Love that. 

647
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,200
Let's talk about dancing on Ice 
for a second. 

648
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,960
How did you feel about your 
skating costumes? 

649
00:32:59,960 --> 00:33:02,640
Did you have input in that? 
No. 

650
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:03,440
Or do they? 
Just. 

651
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:08,240
Literally say you're dancing to,
you know, was your partner 

652
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,240
choosing the music? 
How did the whole process work? 

653
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,240
That's another great. 
Question I I did danced on ice 

654
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,000
because I wanted to raise 
awareness for oster mate. 

655
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,480
So all I was thinking is go on 
there with a stoma. 

656
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,480
Try your best. 
I remember watching. 

657
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:25,520
You in one performance thinking,
I mean my heart was in my mouth 

658
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:30,240
thinking please don't drop her 
because you are just so just 

659
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:34,080
beautiful and frail looking. 
And I just thought, Oh my God, 

660
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:38,120
you know, actually, for you to 
take a big tumble at that stage 

661
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,320
would not have been funny. 
That's right. 

662
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:41,920
So. 
In training, I broke my wrist 

663
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,640
actually, and luckily it healed 
just in time for the show 

664
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,120
because otherwise I would have 
been off the show. 

665
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,000
But because my body was still 
recovering from chemo, again, my

666
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:53,640
bones are very fragile, so I 
couldn't dance, I couldn't 

667
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:57,880
perform and I couldn't skate. 
So they had to teach me 

668
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,240
everything from scratch. 
And then there's this amazing 

669
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,000
team that I think works on 
Strictly. 

670
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,360
So the the team that work on the
that work in wardrobe and the 

671
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,760
team that work in the music I 
think also work on Strictly as 

672
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,280
well. 
So they're very good at sort of 

673
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,840
getting a sense of the person 
and giving them a song that will

674
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,600
bring the best out in them. 
So what I did was I gave, 

675
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:19,880
because I'm a DJI, gave them a 
Spotify playlist of all the 

676
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:21,719
things that I like. 
Do they ask you for? 

677
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:25,480
That or you you just followed 
and they're like bangs. 

678
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,639
But a lot of the songs on that 
playlist that we ended up using 

679
00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:32,920
and then in terms of the, the 
makeup and the wardrobe, I was 

680
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,760
just like, go for your life. 
I, I said, make, make it, drag 

681
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,320
me up. 
I was like, I want to be like, 

682
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,679
I'm on RuPaul's drag, Drag race,
give me the eyelashes, which 

683
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,760
I've been inspired by. 
So I now wear eyelashes, give me

684
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,400
the wigs. 
Do what you want with me, 'cause

685
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,920
I just thought throw yourself in
and and see what happens. 

686
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:52,040
And yeah, for the first time, I 
think that's when people 

687
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,800
actually said I look like a 
woman, you know, like, and, and 

688
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,400
I, it made me feel good. 
And I was like, I was going to 

689
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,040
say did. 
It take you out of your comfort 

690
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:01,960
zone at all. 
It did, but. 

691
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,880
It, I just, I just loved it. 
I, I loved looking in the mirror

692
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,280
and being like, who is she? 
My family. 

693
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:11,080
I remember my family would text 
me each week and go, we didn't 

694
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,320
know you were that one because 
you, you come out on the ice at 

695
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,120
the start and they could never 
spot me. 

696
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,360
And it took them a while to see 
which one was me. 

697
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,200
And I think I even surprised 
them as well. 

698
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,800
So it was a, it was a wonderful 
experience. 

699
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,320
I got a lot from it. 
Do you ever look at? 

700
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:31,040
Pictures of women or actually 
men and and think that's where 

701
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,040
I'm going to stylistically. 
Absolutely. 

702
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,320
So we were speaking about Harry 
Styles before. 

703
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:40,000
I love whoever styles him and 
the way he dresses and I would 

704
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,800
wear a lot of his clothes. 
I I do like androgynous clothes.

705
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,560
Again, when I was younger, I 
used to love Boy George and I 

706
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,200
used to love Grace Jones, but I 
kind of had to love them in 

707
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,080
secret because people thought 
they were weird. 

708
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,200
But I just thought they were 
fabulous and amazing. 

709
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,800
And so I like where the two 
meet. 

710
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,280
I think you're. 
Still on a style journey, aren't

711
00:35:58,280 --> 00:35:59,480
you? 
Absolutely, yeah. 

712
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,120
But but. 
Clearly excited by it, 

713
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,240
definitely it's. 
It's a new string to my bow. 

714
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:08,040
I didn't realize how much it can
do for you holistically. 

715
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,200
And like we were talking before 
about being positive, I now know

716
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:12,560
that clothes can make you feel 
positive. 

717
00:36:13,240 --> 00:36:15,920
Would you? 
Say you dress for yourself or do

718
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,240
you dress for Kate? 
Yes. 

719
00:36:18,240 --> 00:36:21,080
Definitely for myself, Kate 
sometimes suggest things and I'm

720
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:22,920
like, no, no babes, that's not 
going to work, so. 

721
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,720
Yeah, I've I've. 
If I don't feel comfortable, 

722
00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:28,400
yeah, I I can't wear it. 
Really. 

723
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:30,880
Yeah. 
And we were. 

724
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,760
Talking earlier, actually, 
before we started recording 

725
00:36:34,240 --> 00:36:38,360
about this word, femininity. 
Talk to me about that. 

726
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,520
Yeah, it's. 
A word I never felt connected to

727
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,680
growing up as a girl. 
I knew I was female but I didn't

728
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:48,160
ever feel like I belonged. 
And if I went into shops on the 

729
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,400
High Street I'd always gravitate
to the men's bit because it 

730
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:55,120
didn't feel like the the ladies 
side fit me. 

731
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:58,800
I'd feel silly speaking to the 
so I'm going to get upset I 

732
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:03,800
think, but it's part of your. 
Journey, it's beautiful and and 

733
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,360
this so many people will relate 
to this yeah. 

734
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,840
I just felt like I'd be judged 
if I was in shops and they'd 

735
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,560
think, why you in here? 
Oh, no, sorry, no, no. 

736
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:19,960
No, no thank you. 
Because it, you know, when I had

737
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:26,560
my store, it was one of the most
important things for me was how 

738
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:33,120
the team, how the staff greeted 
the customers because actually 

739
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,840
it's clothes. 
This is not life or death. 

740
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,040
This should enhance us and 
uplift us. 

741
00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:43,160
No one should ever be judging 
each other about our our 

742
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,920
choices. 
This, this is just about between

743
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:48,760
our naked selves and the rest of
the world. 

744
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,240
I sometimes talk about clothes 
being our our armour. 

745
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:56,320
Would you say you've ever used 
clothes in that way? 

746
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:58,720
I think. 
Only in the sense if I was 

747
00:37:58,720 --> 00:38:02,880
playing sport, I'd feel part of 
a team and I'd feel included. 

748
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:04,160
Yeah. 
And so I think when I was 

749
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,000
younger, I'd love a uniform. 
Yeah. 

750
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,600
Because I felt like I belonged 
then, but if I had to choose the

751
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,240
clothes, that's when I felt 
really up my depth and I felt 

752
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,400
really insecure. 
And so I'd try and cover myself 

753
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:16,960
up. 
Out of interest, were you? 

754
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,440
In a uniform at school, yeah, 
yeah, and all the. 

755
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:21,720
Way through to sixth form as 
well. 

756
00:38:21,720 --> 00:38:24,880
And I remember being so happy 
that we had to wear uniform and 

757
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,000
sixth form, and a lot of the 
girls were like, 'cause they 

758
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,800
were expressing themselves. 
And I was like, yes, yes, you 

759
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:31,840
could. 
Hide, hide behind it, would you?

760
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:35,040
Do you think you're sort of 
evolving a bit of a uniform 

761
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,760
yourself now? 
Yes, definitely. 

762
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:42,800
And that's the words that Kate 
and I use to help me at least 

763
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,840
start somewhere with clothes. 
So we'll talk about my uniform. 

764
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:47,960
What sort of colors would be in 
my uniform? 

765
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,600
So I'm starting to be more 
adventurous now. 

766
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:56,080
So have like lighter colors and 
and mix black with Navy which 

767
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:57,280
somebody told me that you 
shouldn't do. 

768
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,640
Oh, that's rubbish. 
I love black and Navy. 

769
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,800
It's so chic. 
It really is. 

770
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,280
The French would always say 
black and Navy perfect together.

771
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:10,600
But I I have this abhorrence of 
rules in clothing, OK and rule 

772
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,160
rules in colours. 
You know these people who do you

773
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,280
do your colours and say Adele, 
you should never wear this or 

774
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,920
you know you are an autumn or a 
spring. 

775
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,600
I just really. 
Thank you, Amanda. 

776
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:24,040
No. 
So it's. 

777
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,360
About it's about putting 
something on. 

778
00:39:26,720 --> 00:39:28,960
How does it feel looking in the 
mirror? 

779
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,920
How do I think I look? 
OK, cool. 

780
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,120
Another good one. 
Is a wardrobe selfie. 

781
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:38,000
It's wait, you know, it's and 
then look at that picture and 

782
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,960
think, do I like how that woman 
in that picture looks? 

783
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:42,040
Right? 
Great. 

784
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:43,280
Tip. 
All right, great. 

785
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,000
Thank you. 
No, I'm learning all the time 

786
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:46,640
honestly. 
Which is, Which is. 

787
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,240
Wonderful. 
I mean, I I think we should 

788
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:53,600
always be just trying things, 
you know, as we change and 

789
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:54,480
evolve. 
Yeah. 

790
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,120
How weird. 
Though that I've got to the age 

791
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:59,160
of like 45 and never felt like 
closer for me. 

792
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,960
Like everybody wears clothes and
I've got this old Adele in my 

793
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:03,360
experience. 
That's nothing. 

794
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:08,320
I, I talk to women who are, you 
know, turning 60 and think they 

795
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:12,720
have just found their style. 
So, so just enjoy the journey. 

796
00:40:12,720 --> 00:40:13,640
OK, cool. 
Thanks. 

797
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,280
God, this. 
Is this is like style therapy, 

798
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:17,280
isn't it? 
Absolutely. 

799
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:21,680
Is what would you say? 
You reach for when you want to 

800
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,240
feel empowered. 
I. 

801
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,800
Think definitely black. 
I do love black. 

802
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,360
I feel like in a way it makes 
me. 

803
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,040
It's the superhero within me. 
I feel like, like you say, in 

804
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:34,280
armour, black is my armour. 
But I've started to like quite 

805
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:38,760
nice tailored things. 
I understand now how good 

806
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,080
tailoring can really make you 
feel good. 

807
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,560
Like even the fact that this has
got shoulder pads, I've never 

808
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:47,160
wear shoulder pads before and it
just makes you just holds you 

809
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,120
hold yourself differently, gives
you a lovely. 

810
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,840
Structure, doesn't it? 
Everything to to fall from, 

811
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:53,800
Yeah. 
So I think. 

812
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:59,120
I'm I try and have like nice 
fitted or tailored jackets now, 

813
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,800
probably in darker colours. 
But yeah, try and have something

814
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:06,080
that helps me feel confident on 
the inside. 

815
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,880
And when you? 
Want to feel cocooned? 

816
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:15,000
What's Stay at home, chill out. 
Adele wearing Yeah, that's when.

817
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,760
I get my elastic waistbands. 
That's probably when I get the 

818
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,520
trackies on. 
And for you? 

819
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,400
What is the sexiest look for you
to wear? 

820
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,040
That's an interesting question 
because I don't think I ever 

821
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:32,400
feel sexy in anything. 
Do you know now? 

822
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:33,720
I think anything that shows 
Audrey. 

823
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:37,760
So I've started to see my I 
would never wear bikinis before.

824
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:39,960
I wouldn't even go swimming. 
I wouldn't even wear a swimsuit.

825
00:41:40,240 --> 00:41:43,200
But bikinis with Audrey, I just 
feel like, Oh my God, that looks

826
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,200
amazing. 
And I don't know why it does 

827
00:41:45,240 --> 00:41:48,320
actually. 
I will, I will say, you know, 

828
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:53,080
looking at those images of you 
on Instagram, really chapeau to 

829
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,800
you. 
Fantastic, fantastic. 

830
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,120
Do you think you've got a style 
icon? 

831
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:02,880
Hmm, I think it would have. 
To be Grace Jones. 

832
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:04,160
I thought you were gonna say 
that. 

833
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,920
And again I sent. 
Her loads of pictures of her to 

834
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:11,040
the team that's dancing on ice. 
They probably ignored them when 

835
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:12,560
I was like, can I look like 
that? 

836
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:14,760
Yeah, 'cause she was so. 
Brave and bold. 

837
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,480
Amazing. 
And those pictures of her in 

838
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:21,240
Studio 54, you know, with like 
the hooded tops and like the big

839
00:42:21,240 --> 00:42:23,320
lights, sort of. 
I, I don't know how to describe 

840
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:24,200
it more. 
I find that. 

841
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:29,200
Quite interesting because her 
looks are very brave and bold 

842
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:33,880
and yet you're being quite 
apologetic to me about your 

843
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:37,320
style choices. 
And, and so I find it very 

844
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:41,880
interesting that you've got that
sort of dichotomy going on. 

845
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:45,440
So I think there's a whole 
braver boulder Adele emerging. 

846
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:49,880
You've been warned. 
Are you very conscious of your 

847
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,280
beauty routine? 
I do have to. 

848
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:56,000
Be now, especially post chemo 
because I've got very sensitive 

849
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,440
skin and very scarred skin 
actually. 

850
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:03,240
So the the chemotherapy burnt a 
lot of my face. 

851
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:04,280
Wow. 
And your skin looks. 

852
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:05,320
Amazing. 
Thank you. 

853
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:06,800
It really does. 
It's it's. 

854
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,200
Certain types of make up to 
that's quite heavy to try and 

855
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,160
sort of like make all my skin 
the same colour. 

856
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:18,360
I've I'd use a lot of LaRoche. 
Their products are amazing and I

857
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:22,520
I know that it's quite kind to 
post chemo skin as well. 

858
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:26,360
A lot of their products. 
I've just started trying the new

859
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,160
range, which is called Mella 
three, I think it's called. 

860
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,080
But yeah, I have a lot of I make
sure I take care of my skin and 

861
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,480
make sure I wash it properly at 
night, take all my makeup off 

862
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,840
and have a lot of like retinol, 
especially now I'm getting 

863
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:45,760
older. 
Stop it hardly and beautiful 

864
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:49,040
lashes yes, so I've. 
Kept the lashes from dancing on 

865
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:50,560
ice. 
I would never wear lashes before

866
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,360
but I quite like how they sort 
of like because I've got no hair

867
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:57,600
now I feel like it's more hair. 
Yes, but it's lovely. 

868
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,960
I mean, I think lashes always 
sort of really open up an eye, 

869
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:02,280
don't they? 
Yeah, absolutely. 

870
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:03,920
I've. 
Learned that lesson, yeah, but I

871
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:07,320
love. 
The little sort of very neat 

872
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,440
little hair look, I think thank 
you. 

873
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:13,280
It it really suits you and 
especially with the lashes and 

874
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,400
the big smile. 
Fantastic. 

875
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,720
It's it's easy to. 
Manage cause before COVID I used

876
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,840
to straighten my hair a lot and 
I just thought, why are you 

877
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,000
doing this? 
Like have natural hair. 

878
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,280
But then my natural hair was 
quite hard to manage. 

879
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,160
And and so I thought, well, I 
lost a lot of my hair due to the

880
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:30,960
chemo. 
And when I cut it off, I just 

881
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,040
thought it's natural, it's easy 
to manage. 

882
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:33,520
Keep it. 
Yeah. 

883
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:37,160
Good on you. 
Is. 

884
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:44,560
I mean lucky you have you 
obviously you're doing a lot 

885
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:49,840
that's quite high profile now 
with all the different sort of 

886
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,400
appearances etcetera. 
Have you ever worked with a 

887
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,720
stylist? 
No. 

888
00:44:54,720 --> 00:44:57,720
And apart from if I've been 
lucky enough to have an 

889
00:44:57,720 --> 00:44:59,920
interview, maybe with Say Hello 
magazine, they'll send a 

890
00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:03,000
stylist. 
And I'm really, I always look 

891
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,320
forward to what how they see me 
and what they dress me in it. 

892
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,040
It feels like I get to be 
somebody else for the day. 

893
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:13,640
And you? 
Will you say no to if they if 

894
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:18,320
they've got something that just 
you don't feel very you in? 

895
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,720
Yeah, if I didn't. 
Feel comfortable I would, but 

896
00:45:20,720 --> 00:45:24,880
quite often I'll I'll try things
and and just say be ask why not?

897
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,160
Because I think I'm trying to 
undo all that unhelpful 

898
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,040
messaging that I had when I was 
younger. 

899
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,280
So I'll be like, OK, well, why 
not try that? 

900
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,760
And so far so good. 
Actually any. 

901
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:37,920
Particular outfit that stands 
out as one that really surprised

902
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:39,520
you. 
Maybe it was pink or maybe it 

903
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,720
was feathery or and A and a 
thing. 

904
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,640
Yeah, absolutely. 
So on this shoot with Hello, 

905
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,160
there was a lovely stylist 
called Kate Barber who I worked 

906
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:50,800
with and she gave me a jumper 
similar to yours and a pink 

907
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:55,200
skirt that sort of, I think it 
you'd call it a line. 

908
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,120
It's like where it comes out of 
the bottom and I think it had 

909
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:58,640
feathers on the bottom. 
Oh, lovely. 

910
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:00,360
And it's totally something I 
wouldn't wear. 

911
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:02,720
And she dressed me in that and I
was like, Oh my God, I love it. 

912
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,680
So yeah, I, I think. 
This Kate, this is sounding 

913
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:15,720
expensive. 
As a woman of influence, do you 

914
00:46:15,720 --> 00:46:22,800
get gifted an awful lot of 
clothes by brands and stores 

915
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,920
trying to promote I? 
I don't. 

916
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,320
To be honest, there are a few 
brands that have sent me 

917
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,840
jumpsuits, which is great. 
A a brand called Wild Clouds, 

918
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,960
who I love. 
But I think that Kate and I are 

919
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,120
trying to be more vocal. 
We're trying to show up a bit 

920
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,040
more. 
So hopefully in the future, we 

921
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,720
we could do that because I want 
all the women that identify with

922
00:46:42,720 --> 00:46:45,680
us to see us and go, Oh, that, 
that is something that that 

923
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,120
maybe I could wear because I do 
still struggle. 

924
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,440
And I still as I'm walking up 
and down the High Street trying 

925
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:54,320
to spot women or men and, and 
try and copy what they're doing 

926
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,440
because I don't know how to do 
it for myself, but I'll see 

927
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,560
someone and go, Oh, I really 
like the way that you look. 

928
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,400
You look confident. 
Could I maybe try something 

929
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,600
similar? 
So I think because Kate and I 

930
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,880
are lucky enough to have a 
platform, I I'll try and sort of

931
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,160
like share clothes that make me 
feel good as much as possible. 

932
00:47:09,240 --> 00:47:11,360
Yeah, no, I. 
Think I think that's wonderful. 

933
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,840
Would you say you've had a worst
fashion moment? 

934
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:19,320
Oh gosh, yeah, definitely. 
When I came off Big Brother I 

935
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,760
was always in the worst, 
stressless always. 

936
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:25,480
Oh no, I know. 
But I think magazines were much 

937
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:26,720
meaner then. 
I don't. 

938
00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:28,720
I don't know if I'd make them as
much now. 

939
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,240
Do you remember 1? 
Specific, that just sort of 

940
00:47:31,240 --> 00:47:35,600
stands out yeah, so I had. 
I can't believe I'm. 

941
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,640
Telling you this so I have. 
We're not going to put a. 

942
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:40,600
Picture up, I promise you'll. 
Find it. 

943
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,120
So I had, and I don't know why I
wore this, but I think that's 

944
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,400
the problem with not dressing 
like yourself, trying to dress 

945
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:52,880
how you think you should dress. 
And a Playboy Bunny T-shirt with

946
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,520
a Vivienne Westwood kilt. 
And. 

947
00:47:56,720 --> 00:47:58,800
Like. 
These stiletto boots, it was 

948
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,800
honestly, I did look terrible. 
I looked like an absolute mess. 

949
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:04,600
At the time, that was the best I
could do. 

950
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,440
Did it make you feel good? 
No, no. 

951
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:08,960
OK, then that didn't. 
Work. 

952
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:12,920
Let's talk. 
About travel, do you have a go 

953
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,200
to travel look? 
Yeah. 

954
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,080
So again. 
The Korean pop stars have an 

955
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:18,840
airport look, which I've learned
about. 

956
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:20,920
Oh, I know it's a. 
Thing I didn't know it was a. 

957
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:24,560
Thing so I try and be smart now 
if the airport 'cause I thought 

958
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:26,600
it was just you go in like the 
things you don't want to wear on

959
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:28,160
holiday, you don't want to waste
it out for it. 

960
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:31,480
So I used to go like an absolute
mess, but now I try and dress 

961
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,880
quite chic. 
So I'll often wear black, but I 

962
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:38,840
would now maybe wear the Chanel 
trainers to the airport and and 

963
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:43,720
pair it with like a nice trouser
and a nice a nice top so that 

964
00:48:43,720 --> 00:48:46,520
when I'm going through security 
I try and not get padded down. 

965
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,280
Now they always used to be like 
you, we need to check you. 

966
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,720
But now I seem to get through so
I must look better. 

967
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,360
Would it? 
Would it bother you to be padded

968
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:55,520
down? 
Not at all. 

969
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:57,600
I understand that they're just 
doing a job. 

970
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,920
I think the only thing is 
sometimes, especially in other 

971
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:04,040
countries, they'll feel my stoma
and think it's potentially 

972
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,280
something. 
So I have to discreetly say it's

973
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:09,400
a stoma or show them. 
So that's the only bit I worry 

974
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,520
about now. 
Yeah. 

975
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:13,760
Are you a good Packer or a bad 
Packer? 

976
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,400
Really bad. 
So Kate, Kate packs my case and 

977
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,280
then she gets mad because when 
we go on holiday I don't take 

978
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:23,880
the things out of the case. 
So I I live from the suitcase. 

979
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:25,720
She hates it. 
What? 

980
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,680
She says it's good because she 
gets all the wardrobe space, 

981
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:31,200
right. 
So the Silver Linings in there, 

982
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:36,040
do you have a favorite luggage? 
We've just found this brand 

983
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:39,520
called July and we quite like 
that brand. 

984
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:42,080
But again, before that it was 
just anything that would fit my 

985
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:43,840
clothes in, so it didn't used to
be. 

986
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,760
So if you're going away for 
longer than overnight, how many 

987
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,880
bags do you honestly take? 
I have to take a lot. 

988
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,360
More clothes now, because Audrey
needs clothes, right? 

989
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,160
So I have to take a lot of 
things. 

990
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:59,320
So when I travel, I'll have pads
that sleep on in hotel rooms in 

991
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:00,840
case I have a leakage in the 
night. 

992
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:05,680
I take spare colostomy bags so 
Audrey has a wardrobe and I have

993
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,360
a wardrobe so my bags are 
slightly so it's all Audrey's. 

994
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:09,720
Fault is it? 
This is it. 

995
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,040
She's a diva. 
She is such a diva. 

996
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:15,840
Which? 
Brand, would you say is your 

997
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:20,440
guilty secret? 
Is that because it's? 

998
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:26,200
Expensive or because just. 
Maybe you buy more than most 

999
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:29,840
wood from there. 
Or I mean, it could even be a a 

1000
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,720
site, you know, like we loved 
again. 

1001
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:34,320
It's starting to be re loved 
again. 

1002
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:36,600
I'm I obsessed with it. 
I'm on there every day to see 

1003
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,360
what new stuff they've got in. 
But I think I've found that Zara

1004
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:41,920
clothes fit me really well. 
Yeah, I love their clothes, 

1005
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,680
especially their women's clothes
cause usually I can't shop in 

1006
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:47,680
women's clothes. 
Sorry women's shop for women. 

1007
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:49,560
So Zara no. 
Why? 

1008
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:51,880
Why is? 
That just the fit. 

1009
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:53,720
Doesn't feel quite right to me, 
yeah. 

1010
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:56,560
But Zara seems. 
To fit me because since I've 

1011
00:50:56,560 --> 00:51:00,440
lost weight, I'm also now a, a 
strange like small shape, you 

1012
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:05,480
know, because I'm not very tall.
So so Zara fits really nicely. 

1013
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:10,400
And if you had a money no object
brand, what would that be? 

1014
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:16,080
Oh my gosh, OK, now I've got 
into my designer brands. 

1015
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:21,000
Let me think the shop that me 
and Kate always we have a ritual

1016
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:22,640
on a Sunday to make ourselves 
feel good. 

1017
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:25,360
We walk up and down New Bond 
Street. 

1018
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,720
And I. 
Always look in the window and 

1019
00:51:29,720 --> 00:51:31,840
hope one day I can shop in there
of Louis Vuitton. 

1020
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:36,000
So that would be my ideal brand 
for the future. 

1021
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:41,640
Now what is it about? 
Vuitton that makes you desirable

1022
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,720
so much I. 
Just, I don't know, there's 

1023
00:51:44,720 --> 00:51:47,560
something about that print. 
There's something as well about 

1024
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:49,400
the fact that all the K pop 
bands wear it. 

1025
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:52,920
I just. 
Love their window, even their 

1026
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:56,720
window displays. 
It just makes me feel like I 

1027
00:51:56,720 --> 00:51:59,840
belong in there where some of 
the others, the other designer 

1028
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:02,080
brands, I'd look at it and go, 
OK, would love that. 

1029
00:52:02,240 --> 00:52:04,680
But if there's just a vibration 
that comes through the window 

1030
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:08,120
where I'm like one day I'll be 
able to shop there and buy 

1031
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:09,320
something from there. 
Now you. 

1032
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:16,160
Say you go on Sundays, why not 
during the week and go in and go

1033
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,960
into the store and explore it? 
That's a good idea. 

1034
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,920
We've never had the courage to 
go in, so I just walked through 

1035
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:23,200
the window. 
OK, right. 

1036
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,440
So I'm going to go. 
Should I go on a Monday and go 

1037
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:28,040
in when? 
When they're particularly quiet 

1038
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:31,920
and then you'll you'll be very, 
very looked after by this time. 

1039
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:36,320
No, but I. 
I'm a big fan of just going in 

1040
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:38,280
and trying things on. 
You see? 

1041
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:39,720
Wow, you. 
Take yourself out of your. 

1042
00:52:39,720 --> 00:52:41,040
Comfort zone. 
OK, All right. 

1043
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:42,280
I'll, I'll. 
Try it, I'll give it a go. 

1044
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:46,120
Would you say you've got? 
Anything an excessive amount of 

1045
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:48,120
anything in particular in your 
wardrobe? 

1046
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,240
Socks I love. 
Socks. 

1047
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:52,640
I don't know why has that come 
from. 

1048
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:56,600
Post chemo, yes. 
It it's it's been worsened by 

1049
00:52:56,600 --> 00:53:01,040
post chemo but I just love socks
and I've got loads of them and I

1050
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,960
love sleeping in socks. 
Favorite sock brand? 

1051
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:07,680
Or. 
Stunts are very good, but 

1052
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:11,800
they're running socks. 
But no, I'll take any socks you 

1053
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:12,720
haven't got into. 
Sort of. 

1054
00:53:12,720 --> 00:53:15,520
Cashmere bed socks so well and 
I've heard. 

1055
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:18,320
You talking about Kashmir and I 
and I had to say to Kate, what 

1056
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:20,160
is Kashmir? 
Because I don't really 

1057
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:22,760
understand why it's good once 
touched. 

1058
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:24,200
Never forgotten. 
OK. 

1059
00:53:24,240 --> 00:53:26,920
All right. 
So. 

1060
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:29,880
Louis Vuitton and Kashmir socks.
Oh, you are in. 

1061
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:32,680
For an expensive time girl. 
But actually, the thing about 

1062
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:38,240
Kashmir is it's a natural fiber 
and it's sort of the real king 

1063
00:53:38,240 --> 00:53:41,000
of fibers. 
And, you know, if you look after

1064
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,600
it, it will look after you. 
You'll, you'll own something for

1065
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:45,800
20 years. 
Is it dry clean though? 

1066
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:47,040
Or can you wash it? 
You can wash it. 

1067
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:48,480
Oh. 
OK, absolutely. 

1068
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:50,880
You can wash it gently. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1069
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:56,560
Big fan of washing cashmere. 
So when buying an expensive 

1070
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:59,800
piece, have you ever justified 
it with pounds per wear? 

1071
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:02,160
Oh, that's a good. 
Way of doing it? 

1072
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,160
I haven't actually. 
Oh dear. 

1073
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:06,920
I can feel that one coming on. 
I think my most expensive. 

1074
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:09,280
Purchases, though, are for other
people, and I'll buy expensive 

1075
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,640
things for Kate, and I keep 
trying to make her let me 

1076
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:13,960
because we've been together for 
20 years. 

1077
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:16,400
I wanted to get her something to
celebrate that, and I wanted to 

1078
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:18,360
get her, I can't remember the 
name. 

1079
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:21,360
Oh yeah, a Birkin. 
Oh my goodness. 

1080
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:24,240
You generous girl, and she won't
accept. 

1081
00:54:24,240 --> 00:54:27,200
It she said she doesn't want a 
Birkin, but I want to. 

1082
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:30,160
Yeah, that will be my most 
expensive purchase when I 

1083
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:33,000
finally get her to accept it. 
But she she just won't have one.

1084
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:34,920
And I don't know why, but you 
don't know why. 

1085
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,400
Is is it the price or is it how 
it looks? 

1086
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:39,600
It's probably because I've. 
Realized as well recently that 

1087
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:41,320
you you don't. 
You have to be invited to buy 

1088
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:42,480
them anyway. 
I don't even know. 

1089
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:44,720
You probably buy them on RE. 
Loved. 

1090
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:46,760
Second hand. 
Birkin. 

1091
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:49,880
Second hand Birkin. 
Give a Birkin a new life. 

1092
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,800
What's your approach to 
sustainable fashion? 

1093
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:56,480
Oh, I love sustainable. 
Fashion so wild clouds that I 

1094
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,520
mentioned before they're 
sustainable. 

1095
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:01,760
I yeah, I, I understand the 
responsibility to the planet. 

1096
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:05,480
And I understand that there's a 
lot of disposable clothing and 

1097
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:08,160
there's a lot of people that 
make clothing that aren't paid 

1098
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,560
well. 
And so, yeah, Kate and I try and

1099
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:12,240
be more responsible with our 
choices. 

1100
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:14,280
And what do you do? 
With your clothes, once you've 

1101
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:17,840
had enough of them, we try and. 
Donate them or we'll give them 

1102
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:22,800
to family members or we will put
them in the recycle bins. 

1103
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,360
Quite a lot of supermarkets have
those now, but we always try and

1104
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,160
dispose of them properly. 
Yeah, lovely. 

1105
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:31,240
Do you ever buy vintage? 
Is. 

1106
00:55:32,240 --> 00:55:34,960
I don't think I do because. 
I I. 

1107
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:39,040
Feel like if it's if it's 
vintage I I get scared of like 

1108
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:42,160
who's had it on. 
And yet you buy. 

1109
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:46,040
From Relo, yeah, because. 
I feel for some reason it's only

1110
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:49,000
had one owner whereas like I 
feel like vintage, I feel like 

1111
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:51,600
loads of people have had it on 
and I don't know where it's and 

1112
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:52,360
does that slightly. 
I. 

1113
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:54,000
Don't know how? 
No. 

1114
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:56,400
You're not the only. 
Person that I've spoken to that 

1115
00:55:56,400 --> 00:56:00,720
feels a bit sort of creeped out 
by something having been on 

1116
00:56:00,720 --> 00:56:02,680
different people's bodies, 
That's that's it. 

1117
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:04,040
Yeah. 
And I feel like sometimes you 

1118
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:07,720
can you can sense them. 
So I feel I feel like yeah, with

1119
00:56:07,720 --> 00:56:09,680
three loved it's had like one 
lady owner. 

1120
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:13,600
Probably has had. 50 lady 
owners. 

1121
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:16,720
But anyhow, I love the fact that
you're going that way. 

1122
00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:19,280
That's the story I'm telling. 
Myself what is the? 

1123
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,520
Oldest piece in your wardrobe? 
Well. 

1124
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,800
A while ago when I was on Big 
Brother and that didn't go very 

1125
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,760
well for me, the wonderful team 
at Vivienne Westwood were very 

1126
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,960
kind to me and invited me in and
and gave me some clothes. 

1127
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,960
So the kilt I mentioned before 
they, they gave that to me. 

1128
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:39,000
They took me to their warehouse 
and gave me some of their old 

1129
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:40,800
sample clothes. 
Oh lovely, Which? 

1130
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:42,680
Was incredible. 
And a riot in. 

1131
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:43,920
There. 
Well, again, I didn't. 

1132
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:45,840
Know what I was doing? 
So in the in the end, they 

1133
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:47,760
almost had to give me clothes 
because I wouldn't pick 

1134
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:50,600
anything. 
And there's one of those classic

1135
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:55,480
Vivienne Westwood BBT shirts, 
and I've got one of those and I 

1136
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:57,480
love it. 
And I think that's probably the 

1137
00:56:57,480 --> 00:56:59,680
oldest piece of clothing because
I think it was from when she 

1138
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:02,600
first made them back in the 80s.
I think it might, might have 

1139
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:05,960
been late 70s. 
And I adore that T-shirt. 

1140
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:08,360
So that, yeah, that's safely 
started now. 

1141
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:12,040
Do you? 
Adore it for the memory of going

1142
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:16,360
to the warehouse and that sort 
of quite a special memory 

1143
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:19,960
really, or because of how it 
looks, I think. 

1144
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,800
Definitely for the memory of 
them being so kind to me and 

1145
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:24,520
welcoming when a lot of people 
weren't. 

1146
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:27,880
But I think secondly, because of
the type of woman Vivienne 

1147
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:31,400
Westwood was. 
And also in the 80s, there was a

1148
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:33,160
lot of things that weren't very 
helpful. 

1149
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:36,080
But music. 
I loved music and I loved the 

1150
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:38,400
punk scene. 
I loved the rebellious nature. 

1151
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:42,400
And I feel like, again, I belong
to be a part of my soul. 

1152
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:45,480
Understood. 
My first ever song that I got 

1153
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:49,360
was Adam and the Ants, Prince 
Charming, and I just love that 

1154
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:51,600
sort of like thrashy nature of 
punk. 

1155
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:54,040
I love disco as well, but 
definitely punk and I love the 

1156
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:56,200
fact that they were just like 
did what they wanted. 

1157
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:59,480
Were you inspired? 
By Adam's costumes at all? 

1158
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:02,000
Absolutely I. 
Thought it was stunning so I I 

1159
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:04,960
was beautiful. 
To him way before. 

1160
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:09,360
I mean, he was early sort of 
gender fluid dressing, wasn't 

1161
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:10,560
he? 
Yeah, and that's one. 

1162
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:12,720
Thing I loved about the 80s that
the men looked like women. 

1163
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:14,640
You know that they would wear 
manscara. 

1164
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:19,200
And have. 
Eyeliner, like, I loved all the 

1165
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:22,880
New Romantics and yes, I I 
absolutely adored all that. 

1166
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:27,040
Brilliant. 
Right, time for some quick fire 

1167
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:30,560
questions. 
What fashion advice would you 

1168
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:33,280
give your 20 year old self? 
Oh gosh. 

1169
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:38,040
I would just say get over it and
start expressing yourself. 

1170
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:41,320
Which fashion? 
Trend would you most like to see

1171
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:46,120
make a comeback? 
Speaking of the. 80s electric 

1172
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:50,280
blue mascara. 
Wow, I used to love any. 

1173
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:52,480
Woman that wore that, I used to 
think they were a supermodel. 

1174
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:54,760
If you had that on back in the 
day, I'd be like, my God, you're

1175
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:57,920
so beautiful. 
What fashionable? 

1176
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:00,920
Beauty trend Would you consign 
to run one O 1? 

1177
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:04,720
Right, so sorry. 
To any fellow runners that have 

1178
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:07,760
these, but they creep me out as 
much as what we were saying 

1179
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:09,480
about vintage clothes and where 
they might have been. 

1180
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:12,000
But you know those trainers 
where you can see people's toes?

1181
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:18,760
Right 101. 
For those your last impulse buy,

1182
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:22,040
I try and leave it. 
In the shop for 24 hours to know

1183
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:24,120
if I really want it. 
But it probably would be 

1184
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:26,760
something like technology wise 
because I love buying tech. 

1185
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:29,680
So probably just like, yeah, 
Airpods or whatever. 

1186
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:31,800
I love that. 
Theory of leaving something for 

1187
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:34,080
24 hours. 
I'm a big fan of that. 

1188
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:39,440
By the way, your views on 
tattoos I love. 

1189
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:42,080
Tattoos, but I don't have them. 
Beauty. 

1190
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:47,440
Treatment you couldn't give up. 
My new skin routine. 

1191
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:50,080
So looking after my skin. 
Nice stuff, high end or high? 

1192
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:53,320
Street. 
He the majority. 

1193
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:56,120
Of my clothes are High Street 
but I want to be high end bling 

1194
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:58,880
or bear. 
Definitely. 

1195
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:00,480
Bling. 
I don't see bling but I love 

1196
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:02,640
people in bling, couture or 
charity. 

1197
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:05,360
Shop Oh oh. 
Gosh, that's a hard one. 

1198
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:08,360
It'd have to be couture. 
I don't really own much but 

1199
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:10,760
yeah, Crocs. 
Cute or puke? 

1200
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:15,720
Sorry, dad, Puke. 
Sneakers or stilettos, 

1201
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:18,920
Definitely. 
Sneakers, boyfriends or wide. 

1202
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:21,320
Legs. 
And jeans. 

1203
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:21,880
Oh. 
Right. 

1204
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:23,160
OK, I. 
Was like I haven't got a. 

1205
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:25,040
Boyfriend. 
No, sorry. 

1206
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:28,240
Girlfriend. 
Or wide legs. 

1207
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:34,960
No, it's so funny, the image in 
my head, a boyfriend's the baggy

1208
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:35,480
one. 
They are. 

1209
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:36,440
Yeah. 
Boyfriends. 

1210
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:39,480
Sports. 
Lux or rock chick? 

1211
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:43,480
Is that 3 No Sports lux Sports 
lux? 

1212
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:47,960
Or rock chick sports. 
Lux red carpet. 

1213
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:51,760
Or relax. 
Relax, trend or style? 

1214
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:54,240
Style. 
Colour. 

1215
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:59,960
Or monochrome. 
Monochrome experimental or UU? 

1216
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:06,000
Cashmere or cotton cashmere? 
Hoarder or editor? 

1217
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:08,440
Oh, editor. 
Shapewear or. 

1218
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:10,480
Sexy lingerie. 
Oh gosh. 

1219
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:14,400
Shapewear tights or stockings or
hold UPS? 

1220
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:20,160
Tights. 
Bikini or one piece bikini? 

1221
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:21,960
Beanie. 
Or Berry. 

1222
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:25,720
I'm gonna go beret. 
I've never tried a beret, but I 

1223
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:28,760
think I'd yeah I'd like to try 
feeling that coming. 

1224
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:30,600
On yeah. 
And finally, at the end of the 

1225
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:32,800
day, what do you or don't you 
wear in bed? 

1226
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:36,960
Socks. 
Oh I love. 

1227
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:43,000
That Adele, thank you for your 
open and honest and heartfelt 

1228
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:45,200
answers. 
Absolutely beautiful. 

1229
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:47,440
I've loved our conversation. 
Me too and thank you for. 

1230
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:50,200
All the mentoring. 
Sorry, that was. 

1231
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:52,200
No, it's good. 
I can't help myself. 

1232
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:54,760
I need it. 
Thank you.