1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,400 He had a very, very close relationship with Audrey Hepburn 2 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:07,280 and he did all of the clothes for Breakfast at Tiffany's, 3 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:09,880 which is iconic and the most fabulous movie. 4 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,400 Not a lot of people know there's a secret location in the middle 5 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:15,640 of France where all the archives are stored. 6 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:20,920 Not even I know the location because all GPS was like shut 7 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:23,280 off. The industry is obviously in a 8 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:26,240 really complicated place right now. 9 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:31,080 I just would love to understand what your thoughts are about 10 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:35,480 where it goes from here. It's getting faster and faster, 11 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:37,720 and it's also getting more extreme. 12 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:43,920 It's fascinating to me because watching all of these big houses 13 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:49,240 have the creative director shuffle around and most of them 14 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:51,680 are men. Why do you think that is? 15 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:56,360 There's many layers to that that we can really unpack. 16 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:58,800 Here, let's talk about your role at Uniqlo for a moment. 17 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:03,200 You are the inaugural Global Creative Director for Women's 18 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:08,120 and men's wear, overseeing a $23 billion business. 19 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:13,600 So I, I graduated with a really specific skill, which I would 20 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:17,560 actually say that's a really interesting way to approach your 21 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:21,120 career is to find a niche and find a specific skill that you 22 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:26,000 can offer. Today I'm going on a style 23 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:29,040 journey with the brilliant British designer and creative 24 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:33,400 director, the supremely talented Claire Waite Keller. 25 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:37,240 Hello and welcome, Claire. Thank you for having me, Amanda. 26 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:40,560 I'm so thrilled to be here. Oh my God, I am not as thrilled 27 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,360 as I am, trust me. I mean, your career to date has 28 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:47,640 spanned Calvin Klein, Ralph Lauren, Gucci with Tom Ford and 29 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:51,360 the defining era of the brand, onto Pringle as the Creative 30 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:54,400 Director for five years, revitalising the heritage 31 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:56,600 knitwearhouse with a modern identity. 32 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:00,520 Then on to be the creative Director of Chloe in 2011. 33 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:04,160 And then you were recruited to be the first female artistic 34 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:07,720 director at the House of Givenchy, where you relaunched 35 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:11,560 the Oak Couture shows and elevated the Mazel's global 36 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:13,440 stature in both couture and ready to wear. 37 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:19,320 And after leaving Givenchy, you partnered with Uniqlo 2023, the 38 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,000 acclaimed Uniqlo C collection was launched. 39 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:26,200 And in 2024, you were named Uniqlo's inaugural Global 40 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:31,080 Creative Director for Women's and Menswear, overseeing a not 41 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:35,520 insignificant $23 billion of business. 42 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,920 I am exhausted just reading what that out. 43 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:43,320 Oh, and along the way, you designed Megan's wedding gown, 44 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:46,320 won countless awards and have a family. 45 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:48,840 I mean, well, well, I'm just humbled. 46 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:52,320 I really AM. Average day in a woman's life? 47 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:55,000 Oh. My God, I mean, your career is 48 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:58,160 fascinating. It's just fascinating to me. 49 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:03,200 Working directly with Calvin straight out of college and then 50 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:07,800 Ralph and then Tom forget it before getting the autonomy of 51 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:12,040 Chloe. They're no couture and now must 52 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:16,080 market. Is it unfair to ask you what was 53 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:21,800 your favorite role? No, actually, because I think I 54 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:25,480 mean, as much as there are probably different aspects of 55 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:29,640 each that I absolutely love. I think probably one of the most 56 00:03:29,640 --> 00:03:32,920 special times was even though it's, it's quite, it was quite a 57 00:03:32,920 --> 00:03:38,080 challenging time just with the sheer quantity of creativity and 58 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:41,040 work that I was doing was Givenchy probably it was very 59 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:44,040 defining in the fact that it was the first time I'd done couture. 60 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:48,000 And in, as you know, in the fashion industry, couture is 61 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,520 like the highest level of work that you can do. 62 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:55,040 So to be offered the opportunity to work in a historic Maison in 63 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:58,680 Paris, to be kind of given the keys to the house and then just 64 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,320 given a blank sheet of paper, just go for it. 65 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:05,320 Is really that the most extraordinary privilege and a 66 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:09,440 really unique experience. And then I think also during 67 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:14,520 that area, between doing Meghan Markle's wedding dress, but also 68 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:19,800 all the red carpet I did during that period, it was quite like, 69 00:04:19,959 --> 00:04:24,280 been an amazing, amazing moment, I suppose, in my career, yeah. 70 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:28,480 Gosh, absolutely. How long did you have before 71 00:04:28,840 --> 00:04:33,920 being given the keys and that first catwalk couture show? 72 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:38,800 So I joined in the May and I had my first show in September, so 73 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:40,600 it was quite quick. Wow. 74 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:44,480 So I and the summer holidays and as you know, the French love a 75 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:49,640 few weeks off in the summer. So I was joining at the 76 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:51,520 beginning of May, I think it was. 77 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:57,520 And then I had basically 2-3 months to get most of it sort 78 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:02,240 of, I guess put together by the time we closed at the end of 79 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:04,920 August. And then we reopened I think 80 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,360 third week of August. And then I had another four 81 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,840 weeks before the show and then I mean. 82 00:05:10,840 --> 00:05:13,560 That was the first show. For those who who know less 83 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:17,480 about Kajol, can you just run me through that sort of process 84 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:19,440 from literally being handed the keys? 85 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:24,520 So one of the things I wanted to do when I joined because Jovan, 86 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:28,080 she is it. It's a very well known name and 87 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:30,960 especially obviously in fragrance and beauty. 88 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:34,240 But I think a lot of people hadn't really looked at the 89 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:36,920 archives quite deeply. And I felt it was quite 90 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:41,520 important to just immerse myself and understand Hubert and what 91 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,480 he created right from the beginning. 92 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:48,120 What was his sort of DNA? What was the signature sort of 93 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:52,480 style and spirit of the house? And when you sort of go in 94 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,480 there, obviously some people may know or may not know. 95 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,240 He had a very, very close relationship with Audrey 96 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:02,240 Hepburn, and he did all of the clothes for Breakfast at 97 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,280 Tiffany's, which is iconic and the most fabulous movie. 98 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:09,760 And so I thought, what else around that does he have in the 99 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,840 archives? So I got to go to which not a 100 00:06:12,840 --> 00:06:15,480 lot of people know. There's a secret location in the 101 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,000 middle of France where all the archives are stored. 102 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:23,280 Not even I know the location because all GPS was like shut 103 00:06:23,280 --> 00:06:28,400 off and only the driver knew. Even the driver didn't know we 104 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:31,960 were met by a car and then driven like further 10 minutes. 105 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:34,160 God, this is so James Bond. Yeah. 106 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:39,960 So all LVMH houses have an archive in a deep part of France 107 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:44,520 that nobody knows about. And so it's a it's a kind of 108 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:46,280 fascinating journey in itself going there. 109 00:06:46,280 --> 00:06:50,880 And then you go to the archive and they have you can call out 110 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:53,280 certain items if you want to see. 111 00:06:53,280 --> 00:06:56,720 So in like if you went to the VNA here where you can put your 112 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:00,040 gloves on and you can look at the couture dresses from the 113 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:02,320 past. And I actually spent quite a lot 114 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:07,280 of time in his paper archive, of which there was several thousand 115 00:07:07,280 --> 00:07:11,320 boxes of his sketches. So pencil sketches that he had 116 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:14,520 done. And then in the September before 117 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:18,040 the show I actually met Lubert. Did he? 118 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:21,560 Yes, and it was about 6 months before he died. 119 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:26,160 So for me it was, it was a very important meeting. 120 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,720 It was something that I was really privileged to be able to 121 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:33,480 go and sit with him in his stunning house in the 7th Arran 122 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:38,240 Dieselmour in Paris. And he had pictures of Audrey 123 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:40,600 all around him. Very. 124 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:45,800 Imagine the world of those fabulous designers like the 125 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:49,600 Valentinos and Karl Lagerfelds from the 70s and 80s, where they 126 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:54,000 collected extraordinary pieces of, you know, furniture from 127 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:57,400 auction houses. It was just like being in the 128 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:01,680 most beautiful, like Maison. He loved the colour deep. 129 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,720 It like a deeper and more green. All the curtains with this deep 130 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,720 green, the beautiful green garden outside. 131 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:10,160 There was something about green that he was very attracted to. 132 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:14,680 He was even at the time I met him, which he was probably about 133 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:20,800 89, a little fragile on his feet, but he was 6 foot 4, 134 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:25,360 towering above me just like the most elegant man. 135 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,480 And I just looked at him and I just thought, God, it's him and 136 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:30,680 Audrey together. Like completely like different 137 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:34,159 statues, but just the same kind of elegance. 138 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:36,640 There was something so graceful about him. 139 00:08:37,039 --> 00:08:40,559 And so it was a really wonderful meeting of me talking to him 140 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:43,159 about the fact that I wanted to revive Couture. 141 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,320 And even though there'd been a little bit of couture that my 142 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,320 predecessor had done in terms of red carpet and little 143 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:53,160 presentations, no one had revived the business of Couture 144 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:57,920 A Chavanshi for decades. And so I really was going to be 145 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:00,760 the one sort of reopening the doors, bringing the business 146 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:04,160 back in and also reinvigorating the shows. 147 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:07,520 So to go back to a show format. And he was thrilled to hear that 148 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:13,120 because he told me that that was the happiest time he he was 149 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:17,000 within his own house was when he was working in couture. 150 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:20,640 It's like for him, he's just most happy place. 151 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:25,200 So I felt very, I felt really thrilled to be able to bring 152 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:28,680 that to him, especially at that stage late in his life. 153 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:34,080 What a magical meeting. Did that meeting affect any of 154 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:38,560 your decisions, albeit late decisions on the show? 155 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,160 Not really. I just felt that actually going 156 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:44,400 forward, it gave me even more drive and passion to make the 157 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:48,120 couture such a huge success and a driving force for the image of 158 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,040 the house. So it was really the foundation 159 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:55,040 of what I wanted to do to bring the the house sort of back to 160 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:58,880 the forefront of being the leader in that space. 161 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:05,640 And it's interesting because at the time 2016 two 1017 couture 162 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:10,520 was kind of considered this like dusty sort of business that, you 163 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:14,280 know, there's a certain jet set kind of group of women that go 164 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:17,440 between the different Maison and they get their suit and they're 165 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:20,080 this. And and it was considered either 166 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:24,120 very sort of performance art and quite frivolous and sort of 167 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:29,680 disconnected or a little old feeling mature, let's say, for 168 00:10:29,680 --> 00:10:32,640 people who were going to a ball or something like this. 169 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:36,280 And so there wasn't anything that felt sort of very modern 170 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:40,560 and really rigorous and also coming from different point of 171 00:10:40,560 --> 00:10:43,480 view. And so when I did my first show, 172 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:45,560 you never know how things are going to be. 173 00:10:45,560 --> 00:10:47,600 And you must, you must know this too. 174 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,520 Doing shows, you're always like, Oh my God, what's there going to 175 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,040 be the reaction of? So it's because even if you 176 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:56,760 think it's great, some people understand shows and some people 177 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:58,520 don't. And everyone's entitled to their 178 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:00,200 opinion, but you'd never really know. 179 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:05,000 And the minute the show finished, just a sea of 180 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:08,720 journalists launched on me. And I'm not joking, like about 181 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:12,120 50 mics and like, phones and everything in my face. 182 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:13,960 And I was, like, backed into a corner. 183 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:15,760 I was like, OK, I think this went well. 184 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:19,280 Everyone wants to talk to me, and it did. 185 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:22,480 It was just it was kind of one of those moments that was sort 186 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:26,360 of pivotal in my time at Johanshi where it just reset the 187 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:29,680 stage that I'm going on this different mission. 188 00:11:29,680 --> 00:11:32,840 I'm really about the structure and the tailoring of Johanshi. 189 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:37,280 It's all about silhouette, it's about line, it's about cut, and 190 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:40,200 that sort of defined the era that I had there. 191 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:44,720 I mean, I remember seeing that show and and thinking, oh wow, 192 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:48,400 you have really nailed it. It was so beautiful. 193 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:51,920 Yeah, So it felt, you know, when you get a little chill after a 194 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:53,840 show and you feel like I felt good. 195 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:55,880 But I hope everybody understands it. 196 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:57,720 And it was a very tiny show as well. 197 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:01,680 We only invited about 250 people and it was a salon style, so it 198 00:12:01,680 --> 00:12:05,360 was room to room to room. And we did it in the Marry in 199 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:10,720 Paris in this beautiful building called the National Archive. 200 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:14,680 And, and they basically in the basement house archives back to 201 00:12:14,680 --> 00:12:18,360 the 16th century from Louis, from all the Louis kings. 202 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:24,920 And so it has a very sort of, I don't know if yes, sort of very 203 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:27,160 historic. You feel like there's people in 204 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:30,720 the wallpaper kind of place. And we did it really late at 205 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:34,800 night at about 8:30. And the whole, the whole show 206 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:38,720 was based on a night garden. And I, I based it on that 207 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:43,160 because I knew Uber was really fascinated by gardens, loved 208 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:46,920 gardens. And so I sort of based that 209 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:49,000 first show on on that sort of story. 210 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,800 And you obviously had this conversation with him about your 211 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:55,960 inspiration and was he? Was he delighted? 212 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:58,560 Yeah, he was. I mean, I think he was sort of 213 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:02,880 really curious to see what was going to come out. 214 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:07,440 And I think also he was still very much observing fashion. 215 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,080 He's just like, oh, I don't understand a lot of fashion 216 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:13,200 today. Are we talking maybe, you know, 217 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:16,240 10 years ago now? So that was when there was a 218 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:19,600 huge surge of St. wear on the runways. 219 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:25,400 So tons of hoodies and big pants and lots of kind of much more, 220 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:28,240 let's say casual wear coming onto the runway shows. 221 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:30,440 And he just said, I don't understand. 222 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:35,720 I don't, I don't, I don't get where this fashion is going. 223 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:39,400 And, you know, OK, I'm an old man, but I just believe in 224 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:41,880 elegance. And, you know, we're doing this 225 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:45,000 to make people look beautiful. And so it was a it was a very 226 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:48,840 interesting conversation about his philosophy coming from such 227 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:51,440 another era. I mean, he'd, he'd been in his 228 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:55,960 house like 50 years. And so, you know, he, he'd seen 229 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:59,960 many phases of fashion, but it was interesting to get his 230 00:13:59,960 --> 00:14:00,840 perspective. Yeah. 231 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:06,000 Did you speak to him post show? No, he got a little ill after 232 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:09,600 the show and I tried to meet him again actually before the the 233 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:13,640 following show and I unfortunately he just went on a 234 00:14:13,680 --> 00:14:17,920 sort of slow decline. But all I do know is that his 235 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:23,160 partner who was with him till the end, and I saw him actually 236 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:28,000 at Uber's funeral and he said Uber was smiling when he saw 237 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:31,920 your couture show, which I thought was just such a lovely 238 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:35,120 thing to say. And he didn't need to say it, 239 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:37,560 but I, I sort of thought that was just so generous. 240 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:41,600 Yeah, that's lovely. I mean, you've obviously had to 241 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:45,040 design according to all the different house codes. 242 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:50,360 If you were to have a Claire Waite Keller collection, what 243 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:53,280 would it be? What would the aesthetic be? 244 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:56,320 I mean, there's, there's definitely an essence of that in 245 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:58,320 what I'm doing at Uniqlo. I had to say. 246 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:05,240 So the Uniqlo C line that I have there probably has a good 247 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:10,360 portion of what I would consider my like signatures tailoring, 248 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:15,280 the softness with the sort of separates cashmere, all the 249 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:18,000 things that are kind of through my career sort of stayed with 250 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:21,800 me. But I think my my real, I guess 251 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:26,480 my real expression of myself, I felt actually Chloe really sort 252 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:29,480 of embodied that. There's this sort of romantic 253 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:32,840 sort of softer side of me that always fights with the voyage 254 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:36,080 tailoring side and I love kind of clashing the two together. 255 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:39,680 And it's always been sort of my approach to fashion. 256 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:42,040 I kind of feel that is the modern woman today. 257 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:45,880 Sometimes we have that like romantic moment or that sort of 258 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:48,560 soft moment when we're, you know, on some holiday more. 259 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:51,360 We're a big, we dress. And then there are other moments 260 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:54,560 where like today I'm in my sharp tailoring and my, you know, sort 261 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:57,440 of more signature sort of boyish style. 262 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:00,720 So I think I kind of flip between the two depending on 263 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:02,680 mood. 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The industry is obviously in a 297 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:17,080 really complicated place right now. 298 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:23,440 I just would love to understand what your thoughts are about 299 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:27,880 where it goes from here. It's getting faster and faster 300 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:31,880 and it's also getting more extreme, very much like, you 301 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:35,080 know, general life and politics at the moment. 302 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:40,280 And I think it's becoming more and more stark within the 303 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:44,840 fashion world. I think we either have now the, 304 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:49,840 let's say the Democratic fashion brands which can reach all the 305 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:58,240 way from a Primark up to let's say a Joseph or a Massimo duty 306 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:03,560 or even say a Frankie shop, people who are independent all 307 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:07,600 the way up to then the luxury brands which are reaching 308 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:11,800 further and further north in terms of the way they price and 309 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:17,280 and design. So I think it's, it's never been 310 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:20,880 easier to start a fashion brand in a strange way because of the 311 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:24,440 access to consumer. I mean, I know when maybe you 312 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:27,640 and I started, I, I would have had no idea how to get an 313 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:31,000 audience because there just simply weren't the avenues and 314 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:34,040 the access that you have now. So the fact that you could jump 315 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:37,240 on TikTok and just say, I've got this great T-shirt, look at it, 316 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:38,960 I can start it like this, I can do that. 317 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,360 You could get 2 million people say that. 318 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:47,040 And, and that's quite amazing in some ways, but then I also think 319 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:51,200 that not everyone can, you know, follow through and make that 320 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:54,720 into a business. And I think actually having the 321 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:59,320 skills as a designer is as as important, just like architects, 322 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,240 it's important to have the understanding and, and structure 323 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:05,080 of houses to build a good house that's going to last. 324 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:10,600 And so I think for me. The industry is quite polarised, 325 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:14,120 yeah, right now. And I still do believe in in 326 00:20:14,120 --> 00:20:17,320 luxury and what it puts forward. It brings fantasy, it brings 327 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:20,520 that exuberance that we need, it brings the theatre. 328 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:25,440 But I feel more and more people are yearning for ease and 329 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:30,920 simplicity and just the idea of everyday things that have a 330 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:35,200 little specialness to them. It's fascinating to me because 331 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:41,400 watching all of these big houses have the creative director 332 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,560 shuffle around and most of them are men. 333 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:49,880 Why do you think that is? It's an interesting question. 334 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:55,400 I think there is there's many layers to that that we can 335 00:20:55,400 --> 00:21:01,120 really unpack here because it's it's partly to do with the 336 00:21:01,120 --> 00:21:04,480 environment. So quite often the fashion 337 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:09,840 industry can be quite hostile to women, and I think particularly 338 00:21:10,120 --> 00:21:13,240 at a certain point in their careers, it becomes very 339 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:16,080 challenging. And I think that comes from 340 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:19,160 wanting to get married, potentially wanting to have 341 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:22,440 children, right? Generally at the pivot point 342 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,880 when they're going to get promoted and they have to make 343 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,080 decisions. So I think that's very 344 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:32,640 challenging #1 and it's unless you're in a company or with a 345 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:36,960 boss who has that capacity to understand and help you juggle 346 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:41,280 that and navigate you through it, I think many women just 347 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,920 decide to step back or step off for a moment, and then it's very 348 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:49,000 hard to get back in. And then I also think there is 349 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:56,880 this, this storytelling about the men who design fashion as 350 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:01,600 being poets and the women who design fashion as being kind of 351 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:05,360 like the craftspeople, the seamstresses, the people who are 352 00:22:05,360 --> 00:22:08,280 more commercial and, and thoughtful about clothes in a 353 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:10,520 way. And I, I feel that there is this 354 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,920 disconnect. And that's what I, I really 355 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:16,480 wanted to try to push that dialogue at Givenchy, especially 356 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:20,360 to say, you know, I can really make a huge impact through 357 00:22:20,360 --> 00:22:23,360 couture. I dressed so many people, so 358 00:22:23,360 --> 00:22:27,920 many women on the red carpet. I did a royal wedding dress and 359 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,160 you know, I can also design commercially. 360 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,520 I have both strings, you know, to my bow. 361 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:40,200 And I think that often that is a not, not applauded enough in 362 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:41,840 fashion. Women aren't applauded in the 363 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,840 same way that men are. And I think this is something 364 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,000 that, you know, we're working through. 365 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,080 I think it's also about more women designers talking about it 366 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,400 as well. You know, in general, I think 367 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:56,800 across the industry, there's only about 30% women creative 368 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,560 director, which is, that's a pretty low number. 369 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,680 I mean, I think even in banking, it's more 5050. 370 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:06,240 So we're really behind on, on that. 371 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,200 And I, I hope going forward and I, you know, certainly made it 372 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,160 my mission to really help and support women. 373 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,360 I, I hire a lot of women at all different stages of their 374 00:23:15,360 --> 00:23:18,320 careers. So I've got women on my team who 375 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:22,720 are in their late 40s, fifties. I've also got 20 year olds and 376 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,120 30 year olds. I have every single decade. 377 00:23:25,120 --> 00:23:30,480 And I really do believe that people who are older bring an 378 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:34,440 enormous amount of women wisdom to the table. 379 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:38,040 And I think this is something that's highly undervalued in the 380 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:43,920 industry and something that I've really been very appreciated of, 381 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:48,920 of, of working with the Japanese who really value wisdom highly. 382 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:53,080 And so that's something that I've, I've found very 383 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,120 interesting and extremely supportive. 384 00:23:55,800 --> 00:24:01,360 How did you actually handle your mat leave and that period of 385 00:24:01,360 --> 00:24:04,000 your life? I, it was really challenging. 386 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:08,560 So when I had my first, I twins the first time round when I was 387 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:12,320 in my early 30s and at the time that I got pregnant, there was 388 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,920 no maternity policy in place. This was when I was working at 389 00:24:16,120 --> 00:24:20,520 Gucci in London with Tom Ford. And not not because they, I 390 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,800 think, intentionally did it, just no one had got pregnant 391 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:29,360 before because, you know, the design staff were all fairly 392 00:24:29,360 --> 00:24:32,640 young. And so at the time, they, you 393 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:36,080 know, put a policy in place and I got four months off. 394 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:40,280 But I was expected to go right back to exactly the same brutal 395 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,480 hours the minute I got back to work. 396 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:47,000 And they were brutal, yeah. So I was, I was travelling, you 397 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,640 know, even when my, you know, little ones were like 6 months 398 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:55,080 old, I'd be away from them for two weeks in Italy, working at 399 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,960 the factory, working in the showroom, 2 weeks at the show 400 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,400 and, you know, consistently every month or every other 401 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:02,960 month. So, you know, throughout my 402 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:07,880 career, I travelled constantly and thankfully I had an, an 403 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:13,360 amazing partner, my husband who's been with me and also just 404 00:25:13,360 --> 00:25:16,720 a great, you know, network of people that I could lean on, you 405 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:21,400 know, my mum and various other people who really helped. 406 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,920 But it's, it's not easy to juggle. 407 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:30,240 And then when I have my, my third child, so my son, I was 408 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:36,320 just about to start at Chloe. And so I was seven months 409 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,280 pregnant when I accepted the job. 410 00:25:39,360 --> 00:25:41,400 And you weren't exactly hiding it. 411 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:46,640 No, it's very obvious. And I gave birth and four weeks 412 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,760 later I was in the office. Oh my God. 413 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,480 And I agreed that I would do part time for two or three 414 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:58,120 months and then by basically August I was full time and I 415 00:25:58,120 --> 00:25:59,800 moved the whole family to Paris. It was. 416 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,240 There's a lot going on. Let's talk about your role at 417 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:07,200 Unit Globe for a moment. You are the inaugural Global 418 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:11,680 Creative Director for women's and menswear, overseeing a $23 419 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,560 billion business. Yeah. 420 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:18,480 What exactly does that mean on a day-to-day, month to month 421 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,600 basis? Can you give me a glimpse of 422 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:26,080 your working life? I can, it's, it's busy, but in 423 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,840 Interestingly a lot of the work is done out in Tokyo. 424 00:26:29,120 --> 00:26:34,240 So I have a a few offices around the world where we do different 425 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,680 things. But the, all the main decisions 426 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,720 are done in Tokyo. And so I'm actually going to be 427 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,720 going out there in three weeks from now. 428 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:46,920 And there are about 6 meetings a year where we go in. 429 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,960 I review all the prototypes. I then present all the 430 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:54,200 prototypes to the owner. The owner is very, very involved 431 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,520 in his brand as, as he should be. 432 00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:02,480 And he and I talked through the collection and we, you know, put 433 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:06,640 the focus on where, you know, real, this is really, you know, 434 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,120 the first time I'm really dealing with big numbers in my 435 00:27:10,120 --> 00:27:14,800 career, you know, enormous, enormous numbers. 436 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:19,520 And I think that it was very daunting when I first went in 437 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,760 there and they started fanning about like billion this and 438 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:28,280 billion I was like, how much I'm like, oh, let me just think 439 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:32,880 about that decision. But it's very interesting how 440 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:37,920 quickly you get familiar and comfortable with it gave gave me 441 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,600 a glimpse into working, I guess on Wall Street where just 442 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,400 numbers are numbers. And you do, you do have to think 443 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,840 carefully because it has a high impact. 444 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:51,560 But at the same time, you do have to get comfortable with 445 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,880 them too, because otherwise you'd just be frozen by the 446 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:58,600 decision. So I now know when I'm designing 447 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:03,720 what is going to be a hit item and what is a just a trend item 448 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,080 versus a, you know, a long term classic. 449 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,440 And this is something where I have to really applaud Uniqlo. 450 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:15,000 They spend enormous amounts of time, effort and and money 451 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:20,120 actually investing in scientific testing, quality testing so that 452 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:22,360 our clothes are not throw away clothes. 453 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:26,000 It's because it's not just about price, it's about quality and 454 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:27,600 longevity. Exactly. 455 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,760 And so one of the things that I've I admire a lot in Japan is 456 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:38,320 this culture of repair and care that they do love that and 457 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:42,520 Shashiko, yes, Shashiko Kinsugi on ceramics. 458 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,520 And so those are the things that have been culturally within 459 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:50,000 their history for many, many centuries. 460 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:54,600 But I think they take that philosophy also into Uniqlo that 461 00:28:55,280 --> 00:29:00,400 all the, I think the items that we produce need to be really of 462 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:05,000 a quality that can be long, have a great longevity and be cared 463 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,880 for for a long time easily. And so we make a lot of things 464 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,600 very easily to wash a lot of things that have less wrinkling. 465 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,640 So they're easy to, you know, care for and I do find that 466 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:22,080 myself, I've got items that are easily 10 or 15 years old and 467 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,160 they look the same as when I bought them. 468 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,480 They're it's quite phenomenal, the quality level at Uniqlo. 469 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:32,480 So I do believe that, you know, even in the scale that we are, 470 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,560 we're producing things that can last a long time. 471 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:41,280 So this is I guess the the mission really is longevity over 472 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:47,560 just, you know, quantity. So today we're going on a style 473 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:51,240 journey and it's your personal style journey, so let's start 474 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:55,320 with what you're wearing. So I'm in Uniqlo today, so I've 475 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:59,040 got on. The jacket is from last season's 476 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,680 Uniqlo C collection. So that launched in September. 477 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,760 And this is actually one that Kate wore in New York when we 478 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:10,000 did a press day in New York. And then the shirt that I'm 479 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:14,840 wearing underneath is this very cool, kind of like nylon little 480 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,080 short sleeve boxy shirt. And again, this was from last 481 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:20,880 summer. We launched it and it's actually 482 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,000 going to be relaunched this summer, so you can buy it soon 483 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:25,840 in the store. It comes with a matching 484 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,560 culotte. And then I have on a nylon 485 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,280 parachute pants, which I love. This is a quite a Japanesey 486 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,960 look, but it's like a big volume nylon pant again because it's 487 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,160 kind of wet. And so and then I have my tailor 488 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,360 coat which is over there to check coat, which is from Uniqlo 489 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,120 as well. So I'm fully Uniqlo. 490 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,960 Fantastic. So you grew up in Birmingham? 491 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,280 I did. Were you very exposed to fashion 492 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,480 at a young age? You know, I was through my 493 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:57,840 mother, who was an avid home seamstress really, and I think 494 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,960 that came out of economics. We didn't have a lot of money. 495 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:05,360 And so she and I would go every weekend to the Birmingham Rag 496 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:06,760 Market. I don't know if you know that 497 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:10,000 it's in, it was an area called Digbeth, which now doesn't exist 498 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:11,200 because they're built all over it. 499 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,320 But it was a huge outdoor and indoor market. 500 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:21,400 And you would have basically vendors with massive stalls this 501 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,040 high with fabric. And we would go there and we'd 502 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:25,720 just like, you know, look for things. 503 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:30,000 And as I got older, I had the chance to have more opinion 504 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,840 about the fabric she chose and say, well, I like that one. 505 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:38,680 But it was very much about creating at home, making at home 506 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,440 out of economics, really. I mean, it was just cheaper to 507 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,840 make it herself. She just had to buy the pattern, 508 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,920 buy the fabric, and then it's just her time that she put in. 509 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:51,160 So something might take a month to make because between, you 510 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,440 know, looking after kids and all the rest of it, she would do it 511 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,280 a bit in the day when we're at school. 512 00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:00,000 And then at night we'd be trying on and pinning it and altering 513 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,920 it. But I didn't realise at the time 514 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:07,240 this was an exposure to my career, basically from a first 515 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:11,760 hand knowledge of someone you know do it, learning herself. 516 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,320 So I learnt along with that in a way. 517 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,920 And when did did you get on the sewing machine and start making? 518 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:22,080 Later when I yeah, she always got annoyed because I would like 519 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:26,880 freeze the bobbin up. The machine would get stuck 520 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:28,400 because you have what did you do? 521 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,640 I was usually, I was trying to like, you know, do the back, the 522 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,400 sort of back stitch to stop the end of the scene. 523 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:39,240 And, and so I, yeah, I learnt from quite a young age how to 524 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,640 sort of sew. She was very precise. 525 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,880 If it wasn't straight, she'd make me unpick it and redo it. 526 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:50,880 So I learnt to get, you know, very accurate with my work. 527 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:55,600 And later then I, I thought I was going to go into the arts of 528 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,960 some sort and I thought I'd go into graphic design. 529 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,440 So I did a little internship in graphic design at the time, 530 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,520 which back then in the 80s was all done by hand. 531 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:08,880 People drew all the typography and hand gouache, painted it in 532 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,480 and it's kind of crazy to think now, but I realised that 533 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:16,800 actually that was just not 3 dimensional enough for me. 534 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:18,880 And then I thought, oh, I'd be a Potter. 535 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,600 And so I went into like pottery and sculpture and thought that 536 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,240 might be really interesting because it was on a general arts 537 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:30,880 and design course and realised that at that time pottery was so 538 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:32,480 out of fashion, nobody wanted it. 539 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,920 There's no money in it at all. And I thought, well, I didn't 540 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:40,760 want to be poor my whole life. And so then I started to, you 541 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,680 know, kind of get this sort of feeling from all the things that 542 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,680 I'd learned over the last decade actually, because at that time I 543 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:52,960 was like 1617, I, you know, I sort of got a leaning into 544 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:57,400 fashion and I'd sort of pushed it to the side thinking maybe, 545 00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,720 oh, maybe I'll find other things. 546 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,960 But really, I probably knew that was the the one thing that I 547 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,880 already was good at. And so then I really leant into 548 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,120 it and said, right, I want to go into a fashion degree. 549 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,159 So at 17, I I did my bachelor's, Yeah. 550 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,360 And then on to the. Royal Royal. 551 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:16,639 Yeah. Royal College of Arts. 552 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,360 And that was really informative because that one was a very 553 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,440 specialized course in fashion knit, where it's the first time 554 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:28,760 they were doing this course. And so I was one of six students 555 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:33,000 who got onto that and I learned technically how to do industrial 556 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:34,920 knitting. So working on industrial 557 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:39,159 machines, learning young counts, learning how to spin, learning 558 00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:43,199 how to like knit on these and sort of transfer, do my own 559 00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:45,239 programs. And then you have to create a 560 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:51,199 final collection fully knitted. So I, I graduated with a really 561 00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:54,960 specific skill, which I would actually say that's a really 562 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,280 interesting way to approach your career is to find a niche and 563 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:03,600 find a specific skill that you can offer or a particular way of 564 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:07,600 doing that skill that's unique. Because I got hired immediately. 565 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,480 I was one of the few people who got hired straight away. 566 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,640 And you went to Calvin Klein. Calvin Klein. 567 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,760 And were you then head to Kelvin? 568 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,040 Completely, yeah. And I was so excited because. 569 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,240 It was kind of big old clothing allowance. 570 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,600 No, no, not, not that much. I think I was allowed like to 571 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:29,680 items or something, but I visited the sample sales a lot. 572 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:34,800 But I, I realised that that time I already at, at university had 573 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,440 a very Polish kind of style. I wore flat lace up shoes. 574 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:42,000 I love pants. I, I wore a lot of shirts, 575 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,280 sweaters. I couldn't really afford a lot 576 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,520 of jackets and I wasn't that great at making jackets. 577 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:54,000 And so I was really much more leaning towards knitwear at that 578 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,400 time. And so I remember arriving at 579 00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:01,440 Calvin and thinking, OK, I've got to figure out my wardrobe. 580 00:36:01,720 --> 00:36:04,120 And at that time, everyone wore black. 581 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:08,400 Everyone. I mean, I'm still at that time. 582 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:14,360 It was a real actual sort of emerging trend in, in fashion 583 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,840 through I think the Japanese designers who'd come through in 584 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,840 the 80s. And then Calvin was sort of 585 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:24,080 spearheading this minimalist kind of movement of which black 586 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,240 was like the perfect expression of that. 587 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:31,000 And so we worked a lot in black when we were doing all the 588 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,680 prototyping. He wanted to see everything in 589 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:40,640 black, calicos or jerseys. So it was either that or pale 590 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,640 beige. Those were his like 2 colours 591 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:47,360 that he wanted to see things in. So we, I, I sort of very quickly 592 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:53,680 gravitated to a wardrobe and I very immediately understood the 593 00:36:53,720 --> 00:36:57,320 absolute ease and simplicity of tonal dressing. 594 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:02,440 And that was one of the, I guess defining moments of like how to 595 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,960 get ready for work fast For me was like, Oh my God, if I've got 596 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,120 all black items, I can just put anything together and it will 597 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,640 work and I'll look polished and put together as long as I've got 598 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:17,200 a really good accessory, you know, I can actually look even 599 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:21,960 on a budget look really chic. And so I, I understood that 600 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:27,040 very, very quickly. And it became kind of a then a, 601 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,640 an experimentation of silhouette of like what, what is my shape 602 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,120 that works for me? Do you remember what you wore on 603 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:38,680 your first day to Calvin? Yeah, I wore kind of like a 604 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:42,280 pleated Isimiaki type skirt in black. 605 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:46,440 And then I want to say sweater, like a little short sleeve 606 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,240 sweater. That you had made. 607 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,720 I think it was one of the ones that I've made, Yeah, I've had 608 00:37:51,720 --> 00:37:53,960 like, I came to New York with two suitcases. 609 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,280 That was it. There was nothing and I wasn't 610 00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,640 earning a ton of money. And you left with how many 611 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,560 container container. Exactly. 612 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,280 Yes. My my life changed a lot in New 613 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,800 York did. You acquire a lot of clothes 614 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:14,560 during your different and you're definitely. 615 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:19,680 In Paris I did, yes, I acquired a lot and I think that came from 616 00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,880 the being at a creative director position as well. 617 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:27,520 So wanting to also represent the brand, express the brand. 618 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:32,240 And that's also a very different thing that men have. 619 00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:34,560 Men creative directors have that's different to women 620 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:38,080 because they can show up in jeans and AT shirt and it's all 621 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,320 fine and they, you know, people accept it. 622 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,440 But women are expected to wear their brand, embody their brand, 623 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,400 dress the brand. It's very different bar. 624 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:52,720 And bearing that in mind, have you, have you always designed 625 00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:56,360 clothes that you would wear? Yes, even though I would say 626 00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,920 within the collection I designed things that I wouldn't wear 627 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:03,800 always because there are in my mind always, you know, different 628 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:08,440 women that I want to, you know, approach into the into the 629 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,120 brand. So at Chloe it was very much 630 00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:14,360 about this very youthful spirit. So we often did a lot of very 631 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,520 short skirts, which at the time I wore a little bit of. 632 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:22,880 But generally I'm not someone who wears short skirts and I 633 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:27,520 sometimes often find like super skinny tight tops. 634 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,760 I'm not someone who also wears a lot of tight things. 635 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:35,160 So I will go into that world. But generally I'm sort of 636 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,120 balancing when I'm when I'm designing a collection. 637 00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:43,880 But I do think it's important that, and this is actually a 638 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,640 conversation I had with Isabel Moron actually when I was in 639 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,520 Paris, because she obviously has her own brand and she embodies 640 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:54,000 her brand totally, 100%. And she's like, yeah, don't you 641 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,160 try everything on? I'm like, yeah, I like to try 642 00:39:56,240 --> 00:39:58,280 everything on and I like to wear things. 643 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,840 And actually now at Uniqlo, we do that all the time. 644 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,080 We wear test everything and I try everything. 645 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,200 And I think it's such a vital part of making clothes 646 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,640 successful. And that's for me the power of 647 00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,960 women designers is the fact that what we. 648 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:17,040 Has a really high success rate of being in your wardrobe a long 649 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,760 time because of just that knowledge and also the 650 00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:24,280 consideration when you're wearing it, you really eke out 651 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,120 all the problems. You also fine tune it so that it 652 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,720 looks even a bit sharper or a bit softer. 653 00:40:29,720 --> 00:40:32,760 It embodies the spirit more, I think, of what it's trying to 654 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,960 express. If I was to ask you the one 655 00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:40,120 piece in your wardrobe that you have designed across all the 656 00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:45,480 different collections you've done that you still reach for 657 00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:50,680 and love the most, I have a horrible question. 658 00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:52,680 It is a. Really difficult question, I'll 659 00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,720 say. I mean, I would say a category 660 00:40:55,720 --> 00:41:00,360 more than one item. I would say definitely for me 661 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:07,080 it's coats because I have a 60 coats that's so embarrassing to 662 00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,880 say or about 60 coats. And part of that is because I've 663 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:14,360 just acquired them over the years and I, I tend not to give 664 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,400 them away or sell them because they, they're good coats. 665 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:21,120 They've got really great coats and they have different 666 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,080 expressions. So I have beautiful like 667 00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,400 shearling collarless coats from Chloe. 668 00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:34,440 I also have these very beautiful elongated pea coats as well that 669 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,360 I did at Chloe. Then I have these sharp 670 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:41,440 shouldered, very Manish tailored coats and jackets from Givenchy. 671 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:46,600 I have still little. I have a beautiful little double 672 00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:51,440 fleece like shrunken blazer from my Calvin days. 673 00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,720 It's still gorgeous. It's like an, a beautiful kind 674 00:41:54,720 --> 00:41:59,000 of wool, angora wool mix and it's it, it, it's still as 675 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,520 modern today as it was 20 years ago. 676 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,280 And so there's parts of me that just say there, there is there. 677 00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,960 There is a moment where you realise there is a timelessness 678 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,080 to everything. It just has to have its moment 679 00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,040 again. And are you a hoarder or an 680 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,920 editor, Would you say in terms of your approach, both? 681 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,560 I'm a hoarder, as in I have an archive. 682 00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:27,840 Yes, far too many things. But I also within my SO in my 683 00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:32,640 bedroom, I will have a selection of items which are on constant 684 00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:37,840 rotation usually like hanging off the wardrobe or in the 685 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:39,920 cupboard. And those will be the items that 686 00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:45,360 I'll be kind of heavily using within probably a six month 687 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,600 period. And that might tally up to about 688 00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,560 30 to 40 items. Is that a thing? 689 00:42:49,720 --> 00:42:54,160 And do you do a big old try on on your own in front of the 690 00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,280 mirror? Just I'm pulling it. 691 00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,800 Spontaneous, actually, because I'm working with clothes all the 692 00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,920 time. I kind of know what things I'm 693 00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,240 like, oh, I want that pant shape because I know I've got a jacket 694 00:43:06,240 --> 00:43:07,680 that's gonna work perfectly with that. 695 00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,520 Or I'll, I'll say, Oh, my T-shirts now getting so 696 00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:15,720 stretched out that will move to be like my weekend T-shirt that 697 00:43:15,720 --> 00:43:18,120 I'll wear running around, walking the dog. 698 00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,440 And then I need like a new crisp T-shirt for work. 699 00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,920 And this is another interesting fact about working in Japan. 700 00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,440 You need to look very clean and tidy all the time. 701 00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:33,120 Like no used, dirty and like aged clothes. 702 00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,600 It should look crisp looked after well, you should look very 703 00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:41,080 presentable, very professional. And so yes, I'm moving clothes 704 00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,880 in rotation based on their wear as well. 705 00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,960 What is Stay at home, chill out they're wearing? 706 00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:54,400 I could be anything from a cashmere robe and I'm always 707 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:58,000 barefoot in the house. I, I really am someone who loves 708 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,120 to kind of be on, you know, carpet and warm floor. 709 00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:05,880 And then I, I really, I, I love cashmere sweaters at home. 710 00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,800 I have to say I'm always in like a lovely kind of big oversized 711 00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:13,920 thing or a robe or like a soft sweatpant or a legging. 712 00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,520 I'm very, very. So if I'm on the sofa, I want to 713 00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:18,040 be really comfortable. Definitely. 714 00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,800 Cocooning So the other end of the scale is what did you wear 715 00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:26,120 to get married in? So I actually designed my dress. 716 00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:29,360 As you can imagine, I was a bit controlling this. 717 00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:34,520 This was 99. So I got married in the last 718 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:41,480 year of the last century. And so I, this was 99 was just 719 00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,680 after Carolyn Bessette got married. 720 00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,800 So it's the era of the bias cut and the minimalist. 721 00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,800 And I chose not to do that. I chose actually something 722 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:55,080 weirdly that probably looking back today, I would say it was 723 00:44:55,080 --> 00:45:00,960 quite gilarchy because it was a very sharp slash butter neck, 724 00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:05,760 sleeveless, so very much like the Audrey Breakfast at 725 00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:09,680 Tiffany's, the iconic black dress, very much that neckline, 726 00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:14,480 very straight at the front. And then I had probably like a 727 00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:19,000 sort of like a 1m fall at the back of the skirt. 728 00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:24,120 So chess sat in and then I had my mum's veil. 729 00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,280 Beautiful. Yeah, beautiful. 730 00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:31,440 It was very simple. How did it feel on that day in 731 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:35,800 Saint George's winds as you helped arrange that dress before 732 00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:39,400 Megan climbed the steps of Saint George's Chapel? 733 00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,040 It was, I mean, it was a kind of a magical moment. 734 00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:47,200 You sort of also very focused on that moment of, of just like, 735 00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,560 I've got to make sure this is all all correct and that she 736 00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,440 looks amazing. I realised there's a gazillion 737 00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:57,280 photographers and cameras. So, you know, wanting to make 738 00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:01,400 sure that, you know, everything was sort of smooth and that the, 739 00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,720 the train of the dress was going to go up the steps in the right 740 00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:07,160 way. Bear in mind I had not practised 741 00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:11,600 this. There was no rehearsal well 742 00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:17,120 because we were so concerned about people seeing me or her or 743 00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,000 seeing a shape of a dress or anything. 744 00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:25,120 She had done one rehearsal just in a dress dress sort of with a 745 00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,720 piece of fabric at the back, just so she understood the 746 00:46:27,720 --> 00:46:30,480 weight of of fabric. And I'd given her kind of a 747 00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,160 length of fabric, roughly sort of the same. 748 00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:36,880 Had you provided the sort of the back of the skirt of the dress? 749 00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,920 For just a piece of cloth, even on a belt, just because I was 750 00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:42,800 like, I don't want to reveal anything. 751 00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,400 I don't want anything to get out. 752 00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:48,800 So, and it was done at night. So, you know, the, that was the 753 00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,640 only rehearsal she had and then I had none. 754 00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,520 So I, I just sort of remember looking at photos of the Chapel. 755 00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:59,400 When I arrived at the side of the Chapel, I was there probably 756 00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,800 about 10 minutes before, 10-15 minutes before her. 757 00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,120 So I remember looking at the stairs, looking at where 758 00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:10,200 everybody was like assessing the scene as it were, and realising 759 00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:14,000 they, they told me you'll be when the car arrives, you'll be 760 00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,400 moving to the back door of the car. 761 00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:21,480 She'll step out and you she'll, she'll pose just at the bottom 762 00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,280 of the step and then she will go to the middle of the step and 763 00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:25,960 pose and then the top of the step. 764 00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,680 And so I knew that I had very little time. 765 00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,800 So the the most important thing was I didn't want anything to 766 00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,960 catch in her shoe. That was really important. 767 00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:39,400 I knew that I had to lay the fabric out as wide as possible 768 00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,760 so that it would just, you know, gracefully go up the steps. 769 00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:48,000 But the part that was the most difficult, I think was the veil 770 00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,920 because obviously it's on the head. 771 00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:54,080 So already it's, you know, got a weight to it. 772 00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:58,240 And again, if that caught on a little bit of grit on the step, 773 00:47:58,240 --> 00:48:01,760 and I know they had like, clean the steps endlessly, but, you 774 00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:05,080 know, if anything were to catch it, it was the finest sort of 775 00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,760 French silk tool. So you know that. 776 00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,880 Which is gossamer, yeah. It catches in a second that that 777 00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:16,160 type of fabric, fabric and and there were two little page boys 778 00:48:16,720 --> 00:48:21,320 that were going to hold it. Oh, and they, I believe, hadn't 779 00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,120 practiced that hard time. Oh my God. 780 00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:25,800 So I'm really stressed hearing a little. 781 00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:30,080 Bit of practice at the at their home or hotel where they've 782 00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,680 been. But you know, I just remember 783 00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,840 roughly knowing kind of the scale of the veil. 784 00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:39,000 I remember picking up one side of it and giving it to the one 785 00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,680 boy and then threading it through my hand. 786 00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,800 You know, like when you're measuring fabric and thinking, 787 00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,160 OK, I've got like about this much and keep it there. 788 00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,000 And then it, and then they went, that was it. 789 00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:54,240 I, I, I had to just let it go because you, you can't wait. 790 00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:57,600 You know, the whole thing, it's pivoting on a schedule. 791 00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:02,040 And, and so, and off it went. And, and I just remember I knew 792 00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,600 I had to walk off immediately to the side because you don't want 793 00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,240 to be in the photo. And the car was leaving. 794 00:49:07,240 --> 00:49:09,680 And then there was that moment where she was like halfway up 795 00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:11,960 the steps. I remember just like glancing 796 00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,280 back and going, Oh my God, it looks perfect. 797 00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:19,640 I'm just being so like, really it was just one of those like 798 00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:23,560 adrenaline, adrenaline rushes that you, you, you can't even 799 00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:25,760 imagine. It's like insane. 800 00:49:26,240 --> 00:49:28,360 And then did you pop up the stairs into the? 801 00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:31,760 Channel Yeah, I went up the very like side of the stairs. 802 00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:37,120 And then after she went in, I slid in and then she was just in 803 00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:41,520 the sort of entrance way where Prince Charles, well, King 804 00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:45,640 Charles now, was at the side to take her arm. 805 00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:49,840 And then I just had to make sure again that it got rearranged 806 00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,400 because of course, it's quite actually a small area. 807 00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:57,400 And so to make sure that that also was all OK and the page was 808 00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:01,360 to take it up the aisle and then I slid to the backside of the 809 00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:05,560 church, then, well, but then to be in the church and hearing the 810 00:50:05,720 --> 00:50:07,840 gospel choir and everything was just magical. 811 00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:11,480 Was it everything that you thought it was going to be in 812 00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,120 terms of a dress and a veil? Yeah, I was. 813 00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,840 I was really happy with it. I know she was thrilled with it 814 00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,320 as well. And I think we were really 815 00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:25,120 looking for the essence of purity and simplicity, the idea 816 00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:30,760 of something utterly timeless, and also just something that 817 00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,920 really personally spoke to her style as well. 818 00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:38,040 And I think, you know, as you've seen over the years, she has a 819 00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:41,840 very clean, very beautiful, pure sense of style. 820 00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:46,200 And I think that was the, you know, sort of start of the 821 00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:51,040 embodiment of that for her. How did you choose what you were 822 00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:55,080 going to wear to that wedding? Yeah, that was that was another 823 00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,040 consideration that you you sort of put it into the back of your 824 00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,840 mind and then I'm thinking, Oh no, I'm going to be on TV too. 825 00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,680 And so I knew that one of the most important things as I had 826 00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:08,840 to just blend in and we we had we had to have a discussion with 827 00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:16,080 this with the with the PR team a few days before I had I had also 828 00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:18,320 considered it. I prepared already. 829 00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:21,160 I thought I'd either going to wear black, but I thought black 830 00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,080 was really not appropriate at a wedding. 831 00:51:23,240 --> 00:51:27,120 So I chose Navy. And so, and I think Navy is also 832 00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:31,200 kind of a classic, classic English timeless colour for a 833 00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:34,160 wedding in a way. And so I thought Navy gives me 834 00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:39,040 that in sort of invisibility where I can just blend into the 835 00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:43,960 car but also look very chic. And, and I know it's a, it's a 836 00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:49,080 really good colour on me and I never wore a hat because a lot 837 00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,200 of my friends who had weddings before, they just had very 838 00:51:52,240 --> 00:51:54,440 casual weddings. So I'd never really worn a hat. 839 00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,640 And then I thought, well, I don't want a giant hat either 840 00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:59,040 because dealing with everything and then a hat. 841 00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:03,800 So I chose just a very small little kind of pillbox hat with 842 00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,120 a sort of WAVY thing on the top, I think it was. 843 00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:13,640 And it was a Givenchy dress that I designed for season before. 844 00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:18,520 And it had like an elongated sort of torso, a sort of dropped 845 00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:24,360 hip with this sort of layered volume, sort of flu skirt shape, 846 00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:27,880 and then buttons down the front. So it looked tailored. 847 00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:31,360 It had a little shoulder pad, so it looked kind of crisp because 848 00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:34,800 it was May. So I was also kind of unsure of 849 00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:36,000 what the weather was going to be. 850 00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,120 But I knew from adrenaline I was going to feel hot. 851 00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:42,120 You know, you're going to be sitting there and I thought I'd 852 00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,320 need something. I don't, you know, feel like I'm 853 00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:47,040 going to like take a jacket off or something. 854 00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:50,800 So I'm like kind of a tailed shape, but also looks feminine. 855 00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:54,040 So I went for kind of a combination of the two. 856 00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,760 Would you say you have a style icon? 857 00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:00,440 That's such a tricky thing for me to pinpoint because I feel 858 00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:06,080 like in different eras, different people bring kind of 859 00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:10,240 a, a sort of a style that I get attracted to. 860 00:53:10,240 --> 00:53:13,720 So I think when I was growing up, I thought, you know, I grew 861 00:53:13,720 --> 00:53:16,320 up in the 70s. I thought Jackie Onassis was 862 00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:21,560 like so amazing because she was like, it was almost this sense 863 00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:25,480 of like ease and that casual American sort of chic that 864 00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:28,480 looked so polished and expensive, but casual at the 865 00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:30,520 same time. I was like, how did they do 866 00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,640 that? It was, it was quite a sort of 867 00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:36,320 extraordinary mix. And I actually like the 868 00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:38,440 simplicity of always what she wore. 869 00:53:38,720 --> 00:53:43,080 And then I think during the 80s I think I diverted so many 870 00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:46,640 different directions. I had a Madonna moment and where 871 00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:49,480 that came from. And then Human League, do you 872 00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:51,480 remember? Them the 80s was a confusing 873 00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:53,920 moment in fashion. Confusing moment in fashion. 874 00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:57,520 And I think, I think at that time also because I was a 875 00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:00,240 teenager, I was just exposed to so many different things. 876 00:54:00,240 --> 00:54:03,720 I think my style just, you know, zigzags so much. 877 00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:09,920 And then when in the early 90s, when things got a bit bleak and 878 00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:13,800 everything went a bit minimal and dark, I kind of found my way 879 00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:18,040 just through that tonality of just distilling everything into 880 00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:19,800 either a black. Or a beige or a. 881 00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:23,200 Navy and just not having to think about mixing actually. 882 00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,000 And it wasn't until I then worked at Ralph Lauren, who's 883 00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:32,680 all about colour preppiness, you know, that vintage style, loved 884 00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:36,920 movie stars and loved storytelling and loved Colorado. 885 00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:42,360 And you know, these like amazing moments of kind of vignettes of 886 00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:47,400 lifestyle that I suddenly then had to really completely shift 887 00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:51,720 my wardrobe entirely. And he was someone who looked at 888 00:54:51,720 --> 00:54:57,320 you when you walked in the room. So in when when he walked into 889 00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:00,520 the studio to work with us for four or five hours at a time, 890 00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:06,000 quite often he would immediately look you up and down and you 891 00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:11,440 needed to look great. And he likes, as most men do, 892 00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,840 women in heels. So often I would be in heels and 893 00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:19,000 I'd wear like a little bias cut, like chocolate brown skirt and a 894 00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:23,000 little knitted tee or a little sleeveless top. 895 00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:26,920 Because that time the there was still that sort of Carolyn 896 00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:32,920 Bessette feel of that bias kind of look and slip dresses, all of 897 00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:36,960 those sort of very, almost like nothing items in your in your 898 00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:38,680 wardrobe. So I remember wearing a lot of 899 00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:41,000 that, but I was working on menswear at the time. 900 00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:44,840 So sometimes I'd switch between that and then other times I'd 901 00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:48,680 wear like a a men's dress shirt with a great pair of jeans. 902 00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:52,440 And Ralph looks amazing in denim. 903 00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:54,880 I mean, you've probably seen the photos of being in denim. 904 00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:58,320 And back in that era, he was spending a lot of time in his 905 00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:03,280 house in Colorado and Aspen. And he he's just like the best 906 00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:07,000 looking cowboy. I mean, he's just, it's, it's so 907 00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:12,160 perfectly like precise in terms of the perfect vintage Levi's 908 00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:16,480 and you know, the amazing like a Western shirt or, you know, 909 00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:19,000 flannel shirt. It was just he, he just, it was 910 00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:20,640 great. And the perfect boot and the 911 00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:24,520 perfect cowboy boot. And so there was elements that I 912 00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:29,920 absolutely loved. But so now if I were to ask you 913 00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:33,400 to describe your style DNA in three words, what 3 words would 914 00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:37,280 those be? I would say always tailored, 915 00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:43,840 mostly tonal, I would say in that sense, and I'll flip 916 00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:47,920 between could be ocean one day, could be white one day, but 917 00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:52,840 generally tonal. And then I would say a touch of 918 00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:55,280 femininity. There's always something that's 919 00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:58,160 a little bit of a volume or something a little soft. 920 00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:02,280 I often wear pleated skirts. So I think yes, there will be 921 00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:06,800 Taylor Tone or with femininity. Love that. 922 00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:11,560 I mean, you're such a an amazing stylist as well as a designer 923 00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:17,640 and I have to ask this question because I I think you've got 924 00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:21,920 such amazing taste. What advice would you give to 925 00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:30,240 women as the years tick by? The tip to staying cool and 926 00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:33,480 relevant and stylish without being try hard. 927 00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:38,240 Yeah, it's it's actually something that I think is is 928 00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:40,240 quite difficult today because you've bombarded with 929 00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:45,440 information and I think I have seen over the years, like a lot 930 00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:49,200 of people try different things. And I think as you age, you need 931 00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:52,080 to understand your body shifts dramatically. 932 00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:58,240 So often that means that things that were looking great on you 933 00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:01,400 when they were cropped and short doesn't maybe look quite the 934 00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:07,080 right proportion anymore. I also feel that you need to the 935 00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:10,960 the most amazing looking women always look comfortable. 936 00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:15,440 They just look like they'd not even thinking about what they're 937 00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:18,920 wearing. And I think most importantly, 938 00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:22,080 you need to find the right cart and silhouette that works for 939 00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:26,000 you and know that you can sort of add some fashion elements 940 00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,880 into that. Definitely like I, I know a 941 00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:31,280 double breasted blazer looks great on me. 942 00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:35,840 That's always my go to and I know that I've got the right 943 00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:40,120 height to carry that off. And I also know that and I can 944 00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:43,720 do it in different lengths and it it works really well. 945 00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:47,160 But for other people it's single and for some people it's a 946 00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:50,400 really crop shape. And I think finding that jacket 947 00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:53,800 that works for you, that you can just put on any outfit, just 948 00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:56,640 will finish everything. And also I feel the same way 949 00:58:56,640 --> 00:59:00,000 about coats, which is why I've kept so many coats in my life 950 00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:04,160 because they are the outfit finisher that I think everyone 951 00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:07,080 should have. Do do invest in a really good 952 00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:10,480 coat and you can invest at £100 in a good poke. 953 00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:12,160 You don't have to spend thousands. 954 00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:16,560 You can buy a beautiful from the High Street well cut coat. 955 00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:22,280 If it fits you well, then I would say, you know, really do 956 00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:25,880 make that purchase because I think that can carry you for 957 00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:28,840 seasons and seasons and you can keep going back to it. 958 00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:33,760 And I think also buying it in sort of very timeless colours, 959 00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:37,640 blacks, greys, navies, those are the kind of the things that will 960 00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:41,880 never, ever date. And I think beware of belted 961 00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:46,400 things, belted coats, they can often make people look bulky. 962 00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:53,880 Yeah, yeah, good, good advice. Do you have one item of clothing 963 00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:57,800 means the most to you? I would, I would say now because 964 00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:02,880 my mother's passed away. It will be my mum's sweaters. 965 01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:06,160 I gave her a lot during my career, so when I worked at 966 01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:09,680 Calvin, I gave her some Calvin sweaters at Ralph. 967 01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:13,880 I did the same at Pringle. Every era that I've been in a 968 01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:16,840 brand, I've generally given her knitwear. 969 01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:21,560 And when she passed, my father gave me a lot of the sweaters. 970 01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:26,920 And although I did edit through quite a lot, I do have a few 971 01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:30,560 boxes and I think I will have to go through them at some point. 972 01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:33,920 But those are the things I remember her wearing so much. 973 01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:38,320 And there's something just that's innate about my career of 974 01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:40,760 being, you know, knitwear has been one of the things that's 975 01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:44,600 gone throughout my whole career. It's been sort of an anchor in 976 01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:46,080 every brand that I've worked for. 977 01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:48,920 But it also reminds me so much of her. 978 01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:52,760 Let's talk about travel. You're always on the road, yes? 979 01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:54,400 Do you have a particular travel look? 980 01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:58,600 Generally is a big oversized boyfriend cashmere sweater. 981 01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:03,280 I usually take it depends on obviously the time of year. 982 01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:07,280 So that would be more or less from September to March. 983 01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:10,960 April I'll be in that because planes are often quite cold. 984 01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:17,960 And then I take a large cashmere wrap with me because I often 985 01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:20,400 like that just when I'm sitting, meaning I don't necessarily want 986 01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:23,080 that big blanket they give you or whatever on the plane or 987 01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:27,760 whatever little blanket have. So I take my own blanket and 988 01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:34,000 then I will generally be in leggings actually, or very like 989 01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:35,600 a nylon pant. Like there's something very 990 01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:42,640 roomy and easy and I will have my headphones with me. 991 01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:46,480 My iPad almost don't watch anything on the plane actually, 992 01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:49,560 except what's on my iPad. I'll like store up things. 993 01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:53,080 I've pretty much watched everything at this stage, all 994 01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:55,560 our real read stuff. Or I'll be going through my 995 01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:59,120 archive images if I'm doing research, doing a bit of work. 996 01:01:59,960 --> 01:02:05,640 And then my suitcase is always, I would say probably 30% pre 997 01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:09,560 packed for every trip. So only unpacked 70% and then 998 01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:15,160 30% stays in the case so that I can save some time when I have 999 01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:18,520 to repack and know that I've already got, you know, that 1000 01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:23,720 toiletry kit in those I take like I also be very English, 1001 01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:26,160 take like my teas with me like this. 1002 01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:29,600 So because I'm, I'm out there often for like 2 weeks 1003 01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:31,560 stretches, it's quite a lot of time. 1004 01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:36,720 And so I will and I, I often have to take multi climate 1005 01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:40,400 clothes because it might be cold here, but I could arrive in 1006 01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:43,560 Tokyo. It's 22°, which often is the 1007 01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:46,760 case in April. Actually I go in April or 1008 01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:51,640 October, it will be maybe 8° here but like 22 over there. 1009 01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:55,200 And what luggage do you use? So I have some old luggage at 1010 01:02:55,200 --> 01:03:00,400 the moment, but mostly it's it's either my my sort of old store 1011 01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:03,640 luggage which is like a weird no brand thing that I got 20 years 1012 01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:06,240 ago. Or Rimowa, your approach to 1013 01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:08,960 sustainable fashion. I think I know the answer here, 1014 01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:13,480 but ultimately. The most sustainable thing to do 1015 01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:15,160 in fashion is just to keep things. 1016 01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:19,480 And this is one of the things that I personally do myself. 1017 01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:22,960 Hence ending up with a big archive of, of clothes which, 1018 01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:25,040 you know, obviously you need space to store that. 1019 01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:30,320 But I now have 23 year old daughters and they are 1020 01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:33,400 constantly diving in there and pulling things out. 1021 01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:37,080 It's saving them so much money because, you know, mum's got a 1022 01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:40,000 black sweater there or. Are there any no goes for them? 1023 01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:45,600 Yes, definitely couture, yes, any wrong way or couture pieces 1024 01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:49,840 unless it's a very special occasion and not not coming out 1025 01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:53,240 of the cupboard. But it's it is something I think 1026 01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:56,840 it's actually an important thing a mother should do is actually 1027 01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:59,600 teach. And my mother taught me how to 1028 01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:02,720 repair clothes, how to clean clothes, how to iron clothes, 1029 01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:05,480 how to look after clothes. And this is something that is 1030 01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:08,880 not done today. And I really believe strongly 1031 01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:13,800 that this is a vital part of the sustainability package in a way, 1032 01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:16,520 is that you learn how to look after your clothes. 1033 01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:20,360 People are so rough with their clothes to say today because it 1034 01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:24,920 is this throw away mentality. And like I said, I have clothes 1035 01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:29,680 from Uniqlo which maybe cost me, you know, 40 lbs that are 10 1036 01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:32,320 years old and are still great. And there's no reason to throw 1037 01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:34,600 it away. So just because it's cheap 1038 01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:37,400 doesn't mean it's throw away. You'd need to look after your 1039 01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:42,040 clothes is what I would say. Love that, absolutely love that. 1040 01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:46,480 Do you buy much vintage? I used to buy a lot of vintage. 1041 01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:50,160 I buy maybe still a proportion of that. 1042 01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:54,840 Today I buy a lot of 2nd. Hand and is that as inspiration 1043 01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:59,600 or for you to wear both? So I don't, I pretty much pay 1044 01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:05,520 full price for anything but Uniqlo and so I go in the store 1045 01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:08,960 and I buy full price Uniqlo, but everything else if I'm buying 1046 01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:13,160 designer, I buy second hand. Let's spin on to some quick fire 1047 01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:16,840 questions, fashion advice you'd give your 20 year old self. 1048 01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:19,720 Maybe be a little more adventurous. 1049 01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:24,000 I was quite black in terms of my wardrobe. 1050 01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:26,240 There was not a lot of colour in there. 1051 01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:29,680 Which fashion trend would you most like to see make a 1052 01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:32,200 comeback? You know what I think dressing 1053 01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:35,760 up because everything's so casual today. 1054 01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:39,800 Why do you think dressing up? Fashion or beauty trend that you 1055 01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:44,920 would consign to Room 101. Anything over augmented and 1056 01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:49,240 classified, I think for me that is just something that people 1057 01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:52,600 should not be doing. Your last impulse by. 1058 01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:57,040 That probably was when I was in LA and I bought like that basket 1059 01:05:57,040 --> 01:05:58,840 bag. That's like a sort of 1060 01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:02,080 superfluous purchase because, you know, don't necessarily need 1061 01:06:02,080 --> 01:06:04,440 a basket bag for only two months for you maybe. 1062 01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:07,440 Your views on tattoos? OH. 1063 01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:12,680 I think if it's something that you know, expresses you, then 1064 01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:15,440 you know that's that's for you, not for me. 1065 01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:17,600 Grooming or well-being treatment? 1066 01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:21,080 You couldn't give up. I do love a Korean face mask. 1067 01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:25,120 High end or High Street? Both absolutely Crocs. 1068 01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:29,800 Cute or puke? Definitely not Crocs. 1069 01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:36,160 Gazelles or sambas? I would say I'm a gazelle. 1070 01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:40,920 Sports Lux or Rock'n'roll? Sports Lux Cashmere or cotton? 1071 01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:44,280 Oh, easy cashmere. Trilby or Tracy? 1072 01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:48,960 I would say probably Tracy. Trend or style? 1073 01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:52,640 I would say style always and everyone should aim for that. 1074 01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:55,920 Colour or monochrome? Monochrome Print or plain? 1075 01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:58,480 Plain. Order or editor? 1076 01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:02,440 Both. Charity shop or resale? 1077 01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:06,160 Or resale probably, but I like a charity shop too. 1078 01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:09,200 Get some bargains. Shapewear or lingerie? 1079 01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:14,800 Depends on the occasion tights. Stockings or hold UPS? 1080 01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:17,880 Tights because it's sportier, quite like them. 1081 01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:20,360 Bikini or one piece? I have both. 1082 01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:23,720 And finally, traditional last question at the end of the day, 1083 01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:25,800 what do you or don't you wear in bed? 1084 01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:31,080 I wear 100% cotton and I I wear like a little sort of camisole 1085 01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:36,800 and little boy shorts. How chic As can only be expected 1086 01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:39,120 of you, Claire. Thank you so much. 1087 01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:41,720 Honestly, I could have talked for hours and hours and hours. 1088 01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:45,240 There's so much that I haven't asked you, but I love this 1089 01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:46,840 conversation. Thank you so much.