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Thank you for having me. 28 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:44,480 Oh my God. So excited. 29 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:51,080 I am really humbled to be sitting here with a woman of so 30 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:56,360 many skills and such a such a record of achievements. 31 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:58,640 Just simply awesome. No, thank you. 32 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,320 Thank you for having me on here, seeing you've had some wonderful 33 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:02,720 guests. Oh yeah, I'm honoured. 34 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:05,120 Oh well, wonderful to see you here. 35 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:08,400 And it was so lovely to reconnect with you at no less 36 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,200 than Buckingham Palace. I'm sorry, Got to drop that 37 00:02:12,640 --> 00:02:16,680 because it's possibly a couple of years since we saw each other 38 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,800 and since then you're on an absolute roll. 39 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:25,120 I mean, your latest book, Unique is out. 40 00:02:25,640 --> 00:02:31,520 You are out and loved up and by the look of things never been 41 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:34,800 happier. So that is just can we take a 42 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:38,320 moment to talk about life for you right now? 43 00:02:38,640 --> 00:02:43,360 Yeah, I feel so good. I just feel so energized and 44 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:50,120 motivated and I'm manifesting positivity around me for my life 45 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:52,560 and bringing other people into that mindset. 46 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:56,000 You know, I think I've gone through different journeys like 47 00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:00,560 most people, but I feel like I'm really owning who I am and you 48 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:03,000 know, stating a claim and this is me and that's it. 49 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:08,400 You know, put up with me, you. Are simply radiating health and 50 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:10,640 happiness. You you really are. 51 00:03:10,640 --> 00:03:14,400 I mean, I I honestly, I could say since I last saw you a 52 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:19,760 couple of years ago, you look, yeah, 10 years younger and 53 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:23,000 really in your power. Yeah, I think so. 54 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,160 I think I have my eyes wide open. 55 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,600 I'm really in the present now, which I wasn't before because I 56 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,960 was always sort of sitting back on who I was and not really 57 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:35,040 putting myself forward. I know people knew me, People 58 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:38,920 were very respectful around me and knew my achievements from my 59 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:42,160 athletics capabilities, but I don't think people really got to 60 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:44,080 know me. I wouldn't allow it. 61 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:48,400 And 1:00 And also I think if you if you're holding things back, 62 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,680 it shows, you know, it shows when you bring it forward 63 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:53,480 because then the happiness comes through. 64 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,880 You can be more of you, you you haven't got those inhibitions, 65 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:02,360 those worries. And I feel different, but not 66 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:06,800 because I as a person, sort of like, you know, now I'm going to 67 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:08,640 be this person. It's just that I have got 68 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:10,720 everything that I want to have of me. 69 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,440 My personality can shine. I can wear what I want. 70 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:16,800 I don't really. I don't sound bad, but care what 71 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,680 people think anymore and that there's a massive change. 72 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:25,640 But I think you can see that ease and joy in your face and 73 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,880 what you just mentioned about, you know, when you're holding 74 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:32,280 stuff in, you see it in someone's face and in their 75 00:04:32,280 --> 00:04:38,760 eyes, and all I see here is just this sort of openness and this 76 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:42,600 warmth and this joy. So if we were drinking right 77 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:46,680 now, I would say cheers to you because this is simply 78 00:04:46,840 --> 00:04:48,760 fantastic. And this year. 79 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:52,520 Yeah, is your 20th anniversary of your. 20 years. 80 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:54,760 Oh my God. Where is it gone? 81 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,160 I mean, looking at you right now, it looks like you could 82 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:01,360 just hit the track again. No, no, I can't believe it's 20 83 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:03,640 years. It's just, oh, it's astonishing 84 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:05,880 where that's gone. But also obviously all those 85 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:09,160 changes have been that time. But I think that's one of the 86 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,400 other reasons why I'm just so happy to be in the place that 87 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:14,800 I'm in now. Because, you know, normally when 88 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,640 you celebrate 20 years, it's people with marriage, isn't it? 89 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:20,560 It's like that commitment and you know, I think patience 90 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:24,000 basically anyone that could be married that time, that amount 91 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:27,400 of time. But in this it's about that 92 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,960 achievement. Normative also what else you've 93 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:36,480 done within that time, Because I can, you know, if I think 20 94 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:40,800 years of what I have done, but where I've got to that for me is 95 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:44,040 the biggest achievement. And now I feel that I totally 96 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:48,320 own myself in my 20 years. I feel like, OK, so that's now 97 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:52,200 time to push forward to the next stage of my career. 98 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:55,800 So it actually feels a real kind of celebration of the life 99 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:59,280 journey that I've had. That's a a lovely way of putting 100 00:05:59,280 --> 00:06:00,640 it. Have you got any plans to 101 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:04,640 celebrate the 20 years? We're just doing various things. 102 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:08,520 I'm actually going to Athens for four days, but that's a holiday, 103 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:13,600 a little trip, a bit of nostalgia and then I think I'll 104 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:18,320 be having parties with friends. And you know, it's just, it's 105 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:22,640 not one big thing. I think for me it's it's 20 106 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:25,720 years. It took me 20 years to achieve 107 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:27,360 that dream. We're 20 years on. 108 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,600 It's not what's my next stage? Do you ever put those medals 109 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:32,520 back on? This year I've been bringing 110 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:34,840 them out because I used to have to tapes around. 111 00:06:34,840 --> 00:06:37,560 When I say tapes around the room, I was always so worried. 112 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:40,080 They actually are. So they're not as big. 113 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:40,880 I should have bought them, shouldn't I? 114 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,440 They're not as big as the ones that they do now because they, 115 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:47,760 they seem to have gone from, you know, a reasonable size medal to 116 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,040 this kind of like chocolate. You know, like the chocolate. 117 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:52,680 Drop. You know, like at Christmas you 118 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,320 just have those big round chocolates that you feel off. 119 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:58,080 They're massive. They're kind of really heavy. 120 00:06:59,840 --> 00:07:05,920 No, they're really heavy. And I love to see people's 121 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,800 reaction to holding an Olympic medal. 122 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:09,960 I'm. Kicking myself? 123 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:11,440 Out there. I should have asked you. 124 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:13,880 I should have. But I think it's more because of 125 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,000 history. I What I love about it is that I 126 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:19,560 won them in Athens. Talking Athens, you've just 127 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:24,520 hosted the Athena Effect event. It's quite a mouthful. 128 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,000 Can you tell me about that? Yeah. 129 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:30,840 So one of the things I thought within this 20 years is how can 130 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:34,840 I go out of my comfort zone, do things I'm really passionate 131 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:36,920 about, but bring them to the mainstream? 132 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:40,920 Because I go around the world speaking at corporate events, I 133 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:44,400 talk around mental health awareness, DNI, women 134 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:48,760 empowerment, high performance. And I love it, but I feel like 135 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:50,440 it's sort of a closed environment. 136 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:52,520 So it's whoever works for that company. 137 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:57,120 But because of this year and connecting with far more people 138 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:00,480 than I ever did, I don't think people realize how disconnected 139 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:05,560 I was from people. So I mean that in a sense of 140 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:09,120 people knew who I was, my name, my state, what I've done, right. 141 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:12,160 That's fine. But it would only ever be in 142 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:15,400 that context that I would interact with people. 143 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:19,240 Very rarely would I do it on a social platform. 144 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:22,720 You know, go for dinners and lunches and have coffees and 145 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:24,400 just be me. Like, just relax. 146 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,200 Because I was so scared of what everyone thought about me, that 147 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:29,800 judgement around just everything. 148 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:33,440 I was so petrified about how people perceive me, what people 149 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:35,039 would say about me, what would get out. 150 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:40,440 And So what I decided is that I really, I've met so many women 151 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:46,520 in particular who have, I say, issues I don't mean in a bad 152 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:50,000 way, but if you talk to a collective of women, it's either 153 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:54,640 about what they feel about themselves, the lack of 154 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:58,200 motivation that they have energy, the feeling that they 155 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,080 haven't achieved in their life. There's so many things that 156 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:04,680 always seem to be on a negative edge rather than a positive of 157 00:09:04,680 --> 00:09:07,720 people that we might meet with that are quite positive, right? 158 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:11,120 So I thought if I do the Athena effect, it was about bringing 159 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:13,720 people together from all walks of life. 160 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,920 So I literally had people that have followed me for years who 161 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:19,440 I've never met to people in the public eye. 162 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,200 And the first thing that I did and I chose Athena. 163 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:26,320 Cause Athena is like the goddess of a battle and war and 164 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:28,480 confidence. And you know, so I chose that as 165 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,720 the name. And what I did when I brought 166 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,720 everyone together is the first thing I said is take off your 167 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:38,400 titles, take off your, you know, all of the achievements you 168 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:42,840 perceive to have done whatever, and just come with your first 169 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:45,120 name. So come as you give yourself 170 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:48,000 that acceptance that actually you're coming into that room not 171 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,200 because of your work, not because of your children, your 172 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,640 family, just of you. And I've never seen such a 173 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:58,840 diverse setting at all. And I go around the world, like 174 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:03,360 I say, in corporates, it was all women of all ages, all races, 175 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:06,080 cultures, orientation, everything. 176 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:09,160 And the energy was amazing. I felt so buzzed that I put it 177 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:10,360 on. So that's my next one. 178 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:12,760 So you're you've got to come next year, right? 179 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:16,800 You've got to come next year. I was going to say what what are 180 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:21,040 the projects or that you're most excited about at the moment? 181 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:28,120 I think growing something like that because like I say, I so 182 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:31,880 over this period of time, I'd say probably a year and a half. 183 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:34,800 The different things that have happened to me is I realized 184 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:38,280 that I was like a lot of people with that word, impostor 185 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:42,200 syndrome. Yeah, So I I didn't realise I'd 186 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:44,480 ever get to feel like that. I love it. 187 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:46,520 Double, a little bit. Gold medal? 188 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:50,240 Yeah. Well, impostor syndrome, I mean. 189 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:55,240 I wasn't comfortable going into our meeting rooms with people 190 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:58,120 that are journalists, presenters for years, being on the 191 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:00,960 programme for 25 years and have had free speech. 192 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:05,600 I felt like, so intimidated because I felt I don't know how 193 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:09,080 to add value to his conversation because again, it's very 194 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:10,600 strange, but people go, oh, what do you mean? 195 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:12,840 I've never had normal just chit chat. 196 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:16,280 That's fascinating because you're an inspirational and 197 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:20,200 motivational speaker. Yeah, you're eloquent. 198 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:28,040 You really understand so much about life and people. 199 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:32,560 It's fascinating that you would feel imposter syndrome. 200 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:36,560 It can affect anyone at different stages, your career 201 00:11:36,560 --> 00:11:39,480 and different environments and situations. 202 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:44,280 So mine was the fact that I had come from me as Kelly Holmes and 203 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:46,880 all the things that sort of happened over the past couple of 204 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:51,760 years where I'm trying to own who I am as Kelly and not the 205 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,720 Dame Kelly Holmes the Kelly. And when I went into that 206 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:58,560 environment I thought, I don't know how to interact and just 207 00:11:58,560 --> 00:12:00,640 talk normally. It sounds really weird, like 208 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:02,720 just have chit chat about what you've been doing. 209 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:06,440 And they were talking about relationships and sex and all 210 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:09,280 these things. I'm just like, oh, cringe, you 211 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:10,840 know, and things I've watched on television. 212 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:12,760 I thought, God, don't. I don't think I've watched 213 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:13,840 television. You know what I mean? 214 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:17,280 I might watch a Netflix series, but I don't really just watch 215 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:20,280 normal things. So what happened was, and I also 216 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:23,960 think I'm quite, I'm very slow at processing and this is not, I 217 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,160 don't want to be embarrassed with it because I thought, no, I 218 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:29,120 mean, I didn't achieve anything at school. 219 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:33,960 I was a runner from the age of 12, aspired by my PE teacher, 220 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:36,800 and that was who I was. And that's why I went on, I 221 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:40,560 think, to achieve what I did. Because at school I just 222 00:12:40,560 --> 00:12:42,040 couldn't learn. I just don't know. 223 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:44,400 And now of course I do tests for everybody. 224 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:45,680 And so you didn't achieve anything. 225 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:49,080 Academically at school, that is correct. 226 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:52,440 Academically. So I'm also quite slow at 227 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:56,840 processing when people were asking me straight away factual 228 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:58,800 things or whatever. And I think, Oh my God, I don't 229 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:01,840 really know if I understand what you're asking me to talk about. 230 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:04,680 So I have to go away, think about it, and then I've got my 231 00:13:04,680 --> 00:13:06,840 answer. So when I'm sitting in a room 232 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:10,040 say, like at Loose Women, I kept thinking they're all just 233 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:11,560 chatting, talking, talking, talking. 234 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:13,440 I just thought, I'm just sitting here. 235 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:18,400 And I what I did is revert back to me saying I didn't have a 236 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:21,360 voice, which I hated because I used to talk about the fact that 237 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:24,160 I didn't have a voice. I couldn't be heard because I've 238 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:28,320 not been out and open. I didn't have ownership of my 239 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:31,160 voice and who I was. And I found myself reverting, 240 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:34,560 which I hated because I did. I feel like I've gained my voice 241 00:13:34,560 --> 00:13:37,400 since coming out. But in a certain situation, I 242 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:41,400 was reverting back to the just sit down and listen and, you 243 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:44,280 know, not be worried about what somebody thinks of me. 244 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:48,000 Then I went on panto in Plymouth. 245 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:52,560 This is the story. This is how my voice I went on 246 00:13:52,560 --> 00:13:58,720 panto December 2023 last year, and I went out of my comfort 247 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,040 zone and never thought I would do that. 248 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:05,360 Yeah, I'm not an actor, singer, performer, anything. 249 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:10,640 And I went on panto purely to do something new and to put myself 250 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:14,880 so out of my comfort zone that I would be scared witless. 251 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:17,640 But I have to do it, because otherwise I let everyone else 252 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:21,280 down and I came. I finished panto on January the 253 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:23,800 13th. On January the 15th I went on 254 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:29,240 Loose Women and I didn't care any more about what I thought 255 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:35,080 people would think of me because I purposely put myself as 256 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:38,320 somebody who feels sometimes a bit intimidated in environments 257 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:40,800 that I can't control or wide about what people think. 258 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,760 I thought if I do something so outside my comfort zone that I 259 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:47,360 have to achieve because if I don't, if I don't do my script, 260 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:50,800 if I don't perform, if I don't show up, I let everyone else 261 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:53,720 down, right? I'm standing there in sequins on 262 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:56,840 a blooming theatre having to sing and think and perform and 263 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:58,840 thinking what the hell am I doing? 264 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:03,640 Cringing as my wig falls off mid sentence and having to at Lib 265 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:08,280 and say and my wig has been defeated and just curling up 266 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:11,000 thinking off my can't. If I if I can go for all these 267 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:15,440 embarrassments in front of the public who know Dame Kelliot and 268 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:18,440 stop Olympic champion, then what else have I got to worry about? 269 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:21,720 But it was only by doing that that I then come on and I just 270 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:24,200 thought, now I've got a grip of myself. 271 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:27,040 Now I have my voice. I know who I am because I've 272 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:29,800 been given that by having the freedom to live my life 273 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,120 authentically. But I've also done something 274 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:35,000 that we cringe about putting ourselves outside our comfort 275 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:36,520 zone. But when you put yourself 276 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:39,280 outside your comfort zone, you learn so much about yourself. 277 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:42,720 Yes, it's so true. It's so true. 278 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:47,200 And and and so did you. When you were asked to do panto, 279 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:52,080 Did you purposely think this will be so good for me? 280 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:54,640 Because this scares the shit out of me? 281 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:57,320 Yeah. I did, but it wasn't like 282 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:00,040 flinging myself at a plane and having a heart attack. 283 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:03,000 But I was going to say. Do you think you learnt that in 284 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:06,400 the army that if you push yourself so far out of the your 285 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:09,840 comfort zone, you do learn about yourself and it just it's like 286 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:13,360 taking one step back to take two forward? 287 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:17,880 Yeah, it's almost not so much in the Army because that being 288 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:19,600 regimented, you know what you have to do. 289 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:23,480 You've got your job. And, you know, there's obviously 290 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:27,200 complex things in the military. You know, I was a woman in the 291 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:30,280 military who mainly trained men. You know, there's lots of things 292 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,640 that were there. But I think it was more the fact 293 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:38,080 of I've got to a point in life where I was my limits. 294 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:41,000 I was. I was holding myself back, 295 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,320 'cause I was now in a point of my life where I had total 296 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:48,520 control over who I was, because now I have the freedom to be me. 297 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,280 I've met. I did my documentary in June 298 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:55,040 2022, Kelly Emms being me, and I felt I've got a grip of all 299 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:57,640 that. But if I'm still feeling 300 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:01,280 intimidated because I don't know now how to be the Kelly, just to 301 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:05,720 be my personality, it's not really worry if people like me, 302 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:08,839 don't like me just to be me who I know hopefully. 303 00:17:08,839 --> 00:17:11,800 I'm respectful, you know, I just am. 304 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:15,079 If there was something that professionally is holding me 305 00:17:15,079 --> 00:17:21,359 back, being that I'm going into a small situation where I'm 306 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:24,920 averting back to the scared Kelly, I've got to do something 307 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,960 that pushes me a bit more and I do self aware. 308 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:29,480 Yeah. And that's the thing. 309 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:32,720 I have got my eyes wide open now, which I would never have 310 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,600 done before. There's no way on this that I 311 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:40,800 would done panto to you. My. 312 00:17:41,120 --> 00:17:45,240 So it was a test, it was a learning and some days I just 313 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:46,520 thought, what the hell am I doing? 314 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:51,240 But actually, what I got out of the process, I love, you know 315 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:54,360 how I feel after it is just the best thing that's ever happened 316 00:17:54,360 --> 00:17:57,360 to me. Yeah, well, it it shines through 317 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:01,080 today. We are going on a style journey. 318 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:05,440 Oh, so how did you decide what you were putting on to come here 319 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:07,560 today? Well, I knew you were all 320 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:10,000 trendy, you know what I mean? And I was thinking, I should get 321 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,640 a look really posh and really cool like you wear at Buckingham 322 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:14,000 Palace. And I was really jealous about 323 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:16,120 everything you're wearing. That was really slightly 324 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:17,000 different. I know. 325 00:18:17,360 --> 00:18:18,520 And then I thought, Oh my gosh, come. 326 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:20,200 On You look gorgeous at Buckingham. 327 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:21,520 Palace. No, but no. 328 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:24,440 I really just like last minute. I've got to go. 329 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,560 It was like one of those 10 things on in a day and just turn 330 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:30,000 up with whatever you've got on. And I looked at you like, damn 331 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:32,200 it, why didn't I wear that velvet suit? 332 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:33,920 You know what I mean? You mean you want to call what 333 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:35,200 I've got? But we'll get on to that. 334 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:39,480 In a minute, but yeah, how did I decide? 335 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:42,600 Well, I have a few events, I'm guarantee. 336 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:46,360 I just wanted to be relaxed, have a little bit of edge, but 337 00:18:46,360 --> 00:18:50,400 just be, yeah, relaxed really, but still look OK you know, 338 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:52,080 because I'm going to Stock Exchange after. 339 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:53,680 I didn't want to be a posh there. 340 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:55,920 You'll call. Didn't want to wet turn up in me 341 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:59,120 tracksuit bottoms. I'm going to the Stock Exchange 342 00:18:59,120 --> 00:19:01,400 later. That is quite a little, sort of. 343 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:05,240 Yeah, they're doing it. It's, it's it's lesbian 344 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:07,920 visibility week, which I hate that name by the way, but it's 345 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,160 necessary visibility week. And they're doing all these 346 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:13,560 events and and they're closing the Stock Exchange as one of 347 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:17,240 their profile events. So I said I'd go. 348 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:19,600 Good for you. Good for you. 349 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,920 Were you looking cool for it? And you grew up in Kent? 350 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:24,480 Yes. Were you very aware of your 351 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,920 mother's style 'cause she was very young when she when she had 352 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:29,520 you? Wasn't she 17? 353 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:31,280 You have a look back on pictures. 354 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:34,840 It was really in the 70s. The long hair, you know, long 355 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,560 hair down to the bum. But were you? 356 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:42,040 Were you aware of it? No, I don't think I was really 357 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:45,360 aware of her style. I think, you know, you would 358 00:19:45,360 --> 00:19:48,760 know this over the generations. If you're in fashion, you know 359 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:51,280 it where if you're not in fashion, people just wore 360 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:55,440 whatever they either could afford or just liked, you know 361 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:56,600 what I mean? Because she was young. 362 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:59,280 She would have been in with the cool kids, you know what I mean? 363 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:01,640 She liked the mods, She liked all of that. 364 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:05,760 So she would have kind of reverted to her era of what's 365 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,560 called at that time. But I wasn't really aware of it. 366 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:10,840 I don't. Think Do you remember the first 367 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:15,800 time that you thought you realized the impact of clothes? 368 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,360 Yeah. So I've had a sort of a journey 369 00:20:19,360 --> 00:20:24,800 with that as well because having joined the military at 17 is 370 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:28,520 uniform. So UU, it's very easy. 371 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:30,840 You don't have to think what you're wearing each day. 372 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:35,440 And at the end of the day you're in your, you know, cities mainly 373 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:37,880 track suits. So during that whole period of 374 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:43,640 my life from 18 to, well, 1727, it was very much that and I 375 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,200 didn't think about fashion at all. 376 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:49,120 And also then I became an international athlete. 377 00:20:49,120 --> 00:20:52,720 So it was all about sportswear and it wasn't like it is now 378 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:56,520 where people dressed to look really good on the track, unless 379 00:20:56,520 --> 00:21:00,760 you were Flo Jo Florence. I was going to ask exactly that. 380 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:07,720 Yeah, about because you you effectively went from 1U track 381 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:12,160 kit being the the predominant clothing in your life probably 382 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,720 and school uniform. Yeah, so school uniform and 383 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:20,160 track before I went in the army. And then into another uniform. 384 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:23,200 Yeah, the Army and then back to athletics uniforms. 385 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:28,120 So. So then how did you become you 386 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:31,960 in terms of style? See, I don't think I did till 387 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,200 really late, like really last couple of years. 388 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:39,120 Because when I won my 2 gold medals from Athens, I was 389 00:21:39,120 --> 00:21:42,920 obviously catapulted into this spotlight, which wasn't as 390 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:46,120 intense now because obviously it was newspapers, radio, TV. 391 00:21:46,120 --> 00:21:49,760 It wasn't like social media. I think Facebook only started in 392 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,800 that in 2004. So there wasn't that immediate 393 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,960 profile need to be seen unless you went to an event. 394 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:01,200 But I think I really conformed to what I thought society would 395 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,920 have expected me to be. And again, this was about my 396 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,400 inhibition, my worries about what people thought of me. 397 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:10,280 So I used to have extensions that were long hair and I'd wear 398 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,560 dresses all the time to events because I felt like I had to fit 399 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:17,480 in, had to just not shine, had to not stand out, because I was 400 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:21,560 so worried about this judgement thing about me personally. 401 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:27,120 So obviously if I went to events I'd want to wear, you know, 402 00:22:27,120 --> 00:22:30,680 something nice, but I wouldn't really have overthought it. 403 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:34,280 It would be what I had in the cupboard and everywhere was. 404 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:38,480 Now I really think about what I'm wearing because I'm like, I 405 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:43,240 like my I like being edgy. I don't want to conform. 406 00:22:44,120 --> 00:22:46,480 If I want to wear a jumpsuit and everyone's wearing a dress, 407 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,760 great, you wear a dress and I'll wear the jumpsuit. 408 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:52,800 I like standing out now. I mean, you famously came out in 409 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,920 2022, yes. I mean, that must have been 410 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:00,520 quite a seismic moment. Yeah, to put it mildly. 411 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:04,640 But did you find yourself thinking more about your 412 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:08,240 personal style around that time? Because you were probably more 413 00:23:08,360 --> 00:23:12,600 you. You you were owning who you 414 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:16,480 truly were. So I went from all my swearing, 415 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:20,360 sort of subdued. You know, I've always had this 416 00:23:20,360 --> 00:23:23,560 sort of alter ego of rock chick thing, which I've always wanted 417 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:28,520 to be, but I kind of retained it a little bit and went with the 418 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:32,440 don't stand out type of dress. And then what happened was when 419 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,000 I came out I thought, right, I'm going to embrace colour. 420 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,160 I'm wearing the brightest, loudest thing, so I'm going to 421 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,760 be seen. So I went to my first pride in 422 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:44,880 2022 that I've ever been to, you know, and I'm wearing this whole 423 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:49,280 rainbow long kimono. That's it. 424 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,680 Exactly that. And it had this whole big 425 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,200 rainbow flag on the back, you know, and it was colourful and I 426 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,120 loved it. And I stood on the stage in 427 00:23:57,120 --> 00:24:01,480 Trafalgar Square, you know, basically saying here I am and I 428 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,680 loved the colour. And then I went through 429 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:05,400 everything was colour, colour, colour. 430 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:09,120 And then it's been literally, that was for a year and then 431 00:24:09,120 --> 00:24:12,440 towards the end of last year and coming in, like I say into 2024, 432 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,360 I'm just like, no, I wear what I like when I like it. 433 00:24:15,360 --> 00:24:17,480 I see something, but I am more aware. 434 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,520 I'm more aware of the fashion that I want to wear. 435 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:22,240 You know what I mean? If I want to wear lever, I'll 436 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:23,240 wear a lever jacket. Today. 437 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,440 I'll wear a lever jacket. If I want to wear a light velvet 438 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,840 suit with something really, you know, bizarre underneath or show 439 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:32,280 me bra, you know what I mean? I'm just embracing my star, 440 00:24:32,360 --> 00:24:34,920 whether it's like my hair or my clothes, my shoes. 441 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,040 I just try to do what I want to do. 442 00:24:37,360 --> 00:24:39,520 Do you discuss clothes with your partner, Louise? 443 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,280 So we do, if we go to an event, she says. 444 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,040 What should I wear? And I'm like, I don't know, it's 445 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,760 like, you know, wear this or all that. 446 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:54,800 But I she's seen the trans formation in me because, I mean, 447 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:56,840 I don't know if she likes it because she's not. 448 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,760 She's not into all these events and things, so half the time she 449 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,440 might come. Because you did your first, if 450 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:07,360 I'm correct, public appearance at the Diverse Diversity Awards 451 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:11,360 and I thought you were quite coordinated in a really 452 00:25:11,360 --> 00:25:13,160 beautiful way, actually, because you had the. 453 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,600 I had the Elvis suit on and she had a black dress. 454 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:18,360 Yeah. It's just the fact that we do 455 00:25:18,360 --> 00:25:21,880 like what I like about her or, but it's just that she will make 456 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,840 an effort when we go out. I think it's because this isn't 457 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:26,960 her world, you know, the profile thing. 458 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,280 She's not into that at all. So when she's coming out of me, 459 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:34,320 she's really conscious because she wants to make an effort, but 460 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,960 she's not really into certain fashions as such. 461 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,080 And we don't go everywhere together. 462 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:44,400 And actually, I prefer doing my own thing because I think like 463 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,720 somebody that's not in that world, it's almost like feels 464 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:47,600 like they've been dragged. It's. 465 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:49,960 Quite unfair 'cause it throws a massive. 466 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:51,920 Spotlight and we don't wanna do that. 467 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,600 So she had come to things that really matter. 468 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:56,680 We've got a lot of friendship groups now. 469 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:58,040 Yeah. Which is lovely. 470 00:25:58,200 --> 00:25:59,600 Yeah. And she had come to those, so 471 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,560 yeah. Have you ever used a stylist for 472 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:05,360 those big moments? A couple of times I have, I need 473 00:26:05,360 --> 00:26:08,760 to use them far more because you know, I know the benefit of 474 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,640 stylist really do. And so that is one thing that 475 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,280 I'd like to start to do now is use a stylist. 476 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:19,960 Who gets that point of this is Kelly and how do we bring our 477 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:20,920 life. You know what I mean? 478 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:25,480 Because The thing is, I've found with fashion, if I'm running 479 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,800 around trying to find something to wear, there's limited on the 480 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,800 High Street of putting things together like I wouldn't it. 481 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:34,760 Takes time. Yeah, it really does. 482 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:40,280 Huge amount of time and then an eye and a skill and and all of 483 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,360 that, so. Yeah, so I definitely would like 484 00:26:42,360 --> 00:26:44,200 to use the stylus more going forward. 485 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:49,200 What would you say is the sexiest look for you? 486 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:54,920 Oh, oh, that's a good one. So I've worn. 487 00:26:55,000 --> 00:27:00,120 I do wear dresses occasionally. Back again now, but I I think 488 00:27:00,120 --> 00:27:03,040 the I went to this event. Where did I go? 489 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:07,120 Oh, it was in Manchester and we went out with Doctor Ranch and 490 00:27:07,120 --> 00:27:08,480 his mate Tom. Yeah. 491 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:13,000 And you know, they were taking me to all these nightclubs, and 492 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,680 this is all very new to me as well, going with people to 493 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,120 nightclubs and gay nightclubs and whatever. 494 00:27:19,120 --> 00:27:21,600 I just never did it. So I'm like, yeah, Take Me Out, 495 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:22,920 I'll go out. I like a drink. 496 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:24,640 I like balance, like keeping fit. 497 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,440 But it was like a night out. And we went there and I was 498 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:31,080 wearing these sort of silver baggy jeans and the seafood 499 00:27:31,360 --> 00:27:34,720 sequin top with my bra showing. And I was like, I would never 500 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,840 normally do that. But you felt really cool. 501 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:38,600 Yeah, as well. You know what I mean? 502 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,360 I felt sexy and I felt cool. Well, because you're an athlete, 503 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:47,720 you're obviously in great shape. Are you conscious of your shape 504 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,160 affecting your choice of clothes? 505 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:54,080 Because I, you know, I I couldn't help but notice that 506 00:27:54,360 --> 00:27:58,120 fabulous red velvet suit, but with the sheer top and the 507 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:02,080 washboard. ABS misses washboard that you 508 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,600 could see through the sheer top. That's daring for me, though. 509 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,280 I don't like getting my I don't know why. 510 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:08,760 I don't like getting my stomach out. 511 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:09,440 No. Well. 512 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:11,960 You can. I'm more conscious of that, I 513 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,680 suppose, because when I was running, I was so ripped, you 514 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,920 know what I mean? And now it's like, OK, well I'm, 515 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:18,960 I'm more, you know, still ripped. 516 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,480 I've got definition, but it's not like how I'd want it. 517 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,840 Fundamentally, who do you think you dressed for me? 518 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:27,720 Definitely. For me. 519 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,200 Now I have, yeah, no qualms about it. 520 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,920 What is Stay at Home Slob Out Kelly wearing? 521 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,160 Oh a noodie. I love a noodie. 522 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,600 And I like the with the hood. And yeah, I like the oversize 523 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,920 yeah, oversize hoodie laying on the sofa. 524 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:47,440 My best night that I can say is a Saturday night in front of 525 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:51,160 trash television having an Indian chocolate, a gin, a 526 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,440 meadie and telling everyone else the bug wolf. 527 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:54,280 Leave me alone. I'm. 528 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,520 Wearing what? With your hoodie, Anything. 529 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:07,320 Some knickers. OK, how would you want someone 530 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:11,280 to describe your style DNA in three words? 531 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:12,920 I don't know. I should ask you. 532 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,840 Should I? You're the like, guru. 533 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,600 You're the expert, Yeah, but you're you're the like you are 534 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,240 Miss Fashion. But there's an element of rock 535 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:22,800 chick there. Yeah, so I like that. 536 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,480 Yeah. Maybe because my hair style and 537 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:28,720 things Emma Pearson's, so I don't know edgy. 538 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,960 Maybe the same edgy little bit about chick. 539 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,200 I don't know what's the other word. 540 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:38,080 Just vivacious. Just wears what she wants. 541 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:38,920 I. Think colourful. 542 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,720 Yeah, I add it in here and there. 543 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,120 Do you think you've got a style icon? 544 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,280 See, what I do is I look at people and I think, oh, I really 545 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,480 like what you're wearing. And it suits your demeanour 546 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:56,040 because I think people that really know who they are, the 547 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,240 way they dress, just like it's just so it's just easy. 548 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,000 They just look amazing. Yeah, it's like you like not 549 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,200 being funny, but when you turned up at the back of the palace, 550 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,160 you can just see that you know what to wear. 551 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,800 And they just think, wow, it just looks so great And other 552 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,960 people who want. Pink thing in my wardrobe. 553 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,920 But you know what I mean? It's like you can see certain 554 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:20,240 people who just when they wear something, they just look good. 555 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:24,600 They're not over trying people that over try probably doesn't 556 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,480 suit their image because they're thinking they've got to conform. 557 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,800 And this is the thing when you own you, you just wear what you 558 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,840 want and you actually fit into it. 559 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,680 It fits you lovely. You can see that. 560 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:38,600 Can we talk about your hair for a minute? 561 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,120 Oh gosh, yes. OK. 562 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:41,480 Love it. Right. 563 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,920 What? What's inspired this evolution? 564 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,400 OK, so there was something very personal that started. 565 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,440 So I used to have like, the extensions or was texturized or 566 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:53,880 whatever, and my mom passed away. 567 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:58,080 And I'd always been saying to my mom, yeah, I just want a bit of 568 00:30:58,080 --> 00:30:59,680 me. And it was at the time, it was 569 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,560 2017, where I was really getting to a point in my life. 570 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:07,040 I was 47, and I hated living the life that I was living, that I 571 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,000 just couldn't be me. And she's always wanted me just 572 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,200 to be me, to live my life and all my friends and family know 573 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,440 exactly. Who you were. 574 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,160 All my friends, my close friends and family have always, you 575 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:19,480 know, they just love me. They don't care. 576 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:23,400 Of course, you know, that's the side of me that I live and she's 577 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:27,000 because she's seen me in the public eye and also conforming. 578 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:31,080 But also she, people, like your friends and family can see the 579 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:35,680 real you like quite sad, not really happy, not really sort of 580 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,800 feeling it and going out and putting her face on, you know, 581 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,240 because you have to. And she always wanted to be me. 582 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:43,920 And there was something. I used to go to the same 583 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,240 hairdresser all the time. And I said to her one day, we 584 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,640 kept looking at stars like pink and all that. 585 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,840 And I go, one day I'm going to be brave and I'm going to shave 586 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,000 that side off. And it was literally the morning 587 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:59,160 of my mother's funeral, a cremation that I went in, sat 588 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,720 down, I said shave off this side and my hair was a bit longer. 589 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,400 It's been texturized and things. And she went, what today? 590 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,200 And I went to shave it off. Is it because The thing is, only 591 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:12,560 today I got more choice than my mother, I can just shave it off. 592 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,480 She's not got a choice. And it started that. 593 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:19,760 It did start the change in me. So I did the undercut one side 594 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:21,160 off. And I remember turning up at the 595 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,120 funeral and everyone's like, Oh my God, that's really cool. 596 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:27,040 And I kind of felt good, 'cause I didn't care on that day what 597 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,400 people thought. Then, of course, I was going 598 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:33,320 back to normal life and doing my speaking engagements and doing 599 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:38,200 my Army role, you know, putting on my beret and turning up as a 600 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:42,600 honorary Colonel with tattoos, a shaved head and all these 601 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,520 earrings. And I just thought what they're 602 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,600 going to say. And remember this other Colonel, 603 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,760 this woman said to me, don't change it, I love it because 604 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,240 everyone else is so stiff and all the guys are going to be. 605 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,880 And I thought so, so, so I just felt right. 606 00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:03,120 I just have to do it So and then it sort of evolved in the past 607 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,720 few years since, you know, we had locked down. 608 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,800 Same hairdresser. Yeah, yeah, I had two that I'd 609 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,400 always use. And then I started just to, 610 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,280 yeah, I get extensions to get the colour in. 611 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:19,000 Well, I coloured my hair, went blonde from the dark black and I 612 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,640 went, you know, real blonde and I've had peroxide and you know, 613 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,920 it's broken off and then I die again and then I have extensions 614 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:27,520 and yeah, now I'm quite, I'll quite like it. 615 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,120 At the moment I'm feeling it I. Love it. 616 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:34,360 How do you actually plan what you're wearing? 617 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,040 To what? I'm amazed that you do it 618 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,240 without a stylist. Oh, I tell you, it's the drama 619 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,320 that is the drama in my life. You. 620 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,920 It's lastminute.com. Is your wardrobe military style? 621 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,440 No, I went for a phrase of having EV. 622 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:53,120 I've got every single colour of the rainbow and jackets like 623 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,400 everything. So I did go like, you know, 624 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,120 Richard of York, give Battle and Bane. 625 00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:58,720 I've got let me read me orange, me yellow. 626 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:03,720 I've got a board and that's one full up with all these colours 627 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,560 and styles and fabrics of jackets. 628 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:10,840 I've got into loving suits. I love a good suit. 629 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,600 You know, if I'm doing my speaking engagement it makes me 630 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,000 feel powerful. I trend it up a bit. 631 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,960 I don't do it formal. I love a good suit, so I think 632 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,880 that's become a little bit of my style with a nice waistcoat when 633 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,400 I'm doing my speaking. So I think I've started to 634 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:30,120 understand what I like on my day-to-day job life. 635 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,880 Yes. It's the what do I want to wear 636 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,320 when I'm just going out with my mates that I've started to be a 637 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:40,639 bit more kind of funky? The issue I have is what do I 638 00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:43,719 want to wear at these higher profile events? 639 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,000 When you're up against everyone else that does have a stylist, 640 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,679 everyone that's wearing something new in the day, I've 641 00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:51,560 got to do it. That's my next stage. 642 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,840 It will be fun, yeah. And and clothes should be fun, 643 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,480 you know, And they should empower us. 644 00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:02,040 And yeah, Cocoon us and yeah, all all of those things. 645 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,280 So I want to do that and I want to start having photo shoots and 646 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,520 owning my style of bit because I don't. 647 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,920 I've never done that. So, you know, I've done a photo 648 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,280 shoot for someone, but I want to kind of go with my own photo 649 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,800 shoot, style it up, pull it out there. 650 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,800 I want, you know, I just want to inspire women who either follow 651 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:23,880 me or don't with a new me to invigorate and motivate. 652 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,280 Because I think there's so many people that get to an age, 653 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:32,000 whether I ever find themselves socially or they've gone through 654 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:38,080 break UPS or something that's caused them to open eyes and 655 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,680 like, you know, like you just think, who am I? 656 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:44,440 Age as a you know, more specifically as a woman than a 657 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,560 man. I think because our bodies might 658 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:51,520 change and we just go through these different chapters pre, 659 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:57,480 post, manifold, whatever it is and and so we sort of I need to 660 00:35:57,720 --> 00:36:02,720 just check in with our style. Yeah every chapter or every 661 00:36:02,720 --> 00:36:05,640 decade or or whatever it is. I would think there would be 662 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:09,040 magazines gagging to do photo shoots with you it. 663 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:14,480 Is AI do think it is a slightly different situation where you go 664 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:18,200 to these events? It is, it's it's it's quite 665 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,320 surreal actually. You. 666 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,960 Feel like you have to make whatever. 667 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,560 You've got to be seen. There's a likelihood you know 668 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,520 you don't want to feel like, oh, I didn't just like. 669 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,960 So it is very different in the mindset of my mates that just, 670 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,440 you know, that don't go out that much and we go out and there's 671 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,440 worrying about us going to the local you know take away or 672 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:39,240 something. You know what I mean? 673 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:43,240 Like, and your restaurant. Profile and your your messaging, 674 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:47,720 to a degree, about who you are and yeah, what you. 675 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,800 Are and don't it? And also I think I don't want 676 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,840 people to feel they have to. They should be given up on them 677 00:36:54,240 --> 00:36:56,880 when they get slightly older. I I. 678 00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,800 Don't give up. Just actually, this isn't, these 679 00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:03,040 are ages where you can say I'm going to make the most of my 680 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,400 life because most of the time we, we go through a primitive 681 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:10,560 years of finding who we are and getting a job and relationships, 682 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,400 and then we get to certain ages. You mentioned perimenopause and 683 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,120 menopause. Well, we change. 684 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,160 We change because our hormones are changing, our viewpoints 685 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:22,480 changing, our attitudes and our health is changing, you know, 686 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:26,720 And then actually you get to a point in life where you go, hold 687 00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:29,000 on a minute. And I know it sounds bad, but my 688 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,160 mom passed away at 65. And I think to myself, I don't 689 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:33,600 know. And we don't know how long we've 690 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:37,680 got. So why don't we just grab us? 691 00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,720 And why do it? Do it for us, not other people. 692 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,600 So yeah, so I think that you do. And chapters are important. 693 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,120 And actually people can look great. 694 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,880 People worry about how they look because they worry about their 695 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:54,120 body image, you know, whether their complexion or their hair. 696 00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,160 But actually, we all have a style, really. 697 00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,240 And there's so many means. I mean, you know how many means 698 00:38:00,240 --> 00:38:03,400 there are to find things that might suit you or ways of 699 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:04,880 finding something that could suit you. 700 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,000 So people should, yeah, just feel proud of themselves a bit 701 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:09,640 more. So that's what I just think if I 702 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:13,680 can be somebody at the age I am now, who says actually now I'm 703 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:17,280 starting to own. Any magazine editor listening to 704 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,960 this? Get her into the studio. 705 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:23,880 Let's talk about travel for a moment. 706 00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:26,200 I mean, you're a well known face. 707 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,640 Are you very aware of what you wear to travel in? 708 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:37,800 Yeah, I mean, I like to be comfortable, but I would so like 709 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:42,040 to not look a state when I'm travelling here is going on a 710 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:45,280 plane, but I'd like to be comfortable. 711 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,400 So I do find a lash jog suit, but I don't, you know, I don't 712 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,040 look like I'm going out for a run. 713 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:54,160 I'll make it coordinate and I have my nice trainers on, I have 714 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:55,760 my hoodie. But it looks really cool. 715 00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,120 You know me, like, yeah, so I do think about it. 716 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,200 It's that I don't. I just like to feel proud of 717 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,280 myself. I think sometimes it's a bit of 718 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,920 pride in what you are. And that is not a dirty word. 719 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,480 No. I think if you feel pride in 720 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,880 your appearance, it can make you also feel good. 721 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,800 The moment you let go of that, then you also your attitude will 722 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,400 be like that. Are you a good Packer or a bad 723 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,640 Packer? Oh, well, Louise, I'm a really 724 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,480 bad Packer. I got to throw it in last 725 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:25,640 minute. She's all like rolling 726 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,960 everything up and she goes, you got so much space and I'm like, 727 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,360 OK, shoving it in. So yeah, Bad Packer. 728 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,600 If you're going away for more than overnight, how many bags do 729 00:39:35,720 --> 00:39:38,280 you honestly take? Oh my gosh, yeah. 730 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:42,480 I do take a lot. I take a massive bag and a, you 731 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:46,200 know, the trolley bag and a rucksack, and I have my handbag. 732 00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:47,960 It's a good thing you're an athlete, yeah. 733 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,320 I I do when everyone, when everyone sees me and I go around 734 00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,080 to the in the days and they're going where have you come from 735 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,680 and then they go to pick up my bag and they go, what the hell 736 00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:58,840 have you got in? I said every day is a training 737 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:00,640 day. Pile in as much. 738 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,680 You never know what's going to happen in your day talking. 739 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:07,120 About training, what do you what athletic brand brands do you 740 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,920 like? Well, I've been wearing Brooks 741 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,360 shoes, but I was sponsored by Reebok. 742 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,200 I was sponsored by Nike once when I was an athlete. 743 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:22,680 I like sweaty Betty, but I also just like comfortable clothes as 744 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,280 well. But I, you know, because we're 745 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:26,840 running now, you know, it's like air. 746 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,320 It's like shocks for the headphones, phone conductors, 747 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:32,680 you know. Yeah. 748 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:38,240 So they they're basically they sit here, the temple, so that 749 00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:39,920 you can hear the music and the traffic. 750 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,240 So it's all about safety when you run as well? 751 00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:43,520 Rather than the Airpods. That. 752 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:47,960 Yeah, Airpods, you know, have a flip belt to put my phone in. 753 00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:53,360 It's all like quite meticulous. I wear, you know, sport, 754 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,280 compassion, socks. So the military. 755 00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,880 Trainings did not go amiss. No, You know, when I'm running 756 00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:02,680 now, I need to run well, so go look after myself. 757 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:05,880 It's funny because I was running the other day and I was 758 00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,360 thinking, what's the safety tips I can give people who were? 759 00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,080 Because a lot of people go to me, oh, I could never run. 760 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:12,640 I don't really know the first thing. 761 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,720 And actually, there's basic principles of running. 762 00:41:15,720 --> 00:41:18,080 And it does come down to what you're wearing and your kit. 763 00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:22,720 Yeah, high vis supportive bras. For women, that's a really big 764 00:41:22,720 --> 00:41:24,120 thing. Even if you don't have boobs 765 00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,040 like me, it's so important to have supportive bras. 766 00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:31,760 It's having materials that allow you to sweat better or don't rub 767 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,760 and chafe. So actually, fashion isn't more 768 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:36,720 about exactly the colors in the bands. 769 00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:40,440 It's what you wear so that you can perform better. 770 00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,000 Just coming back to your wardrobe, what, if anything, do 771 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:45,840 you feel you've got an excessive amount of? 772 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:47,960 Oh my God. Suits and jackets. 773 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:55,360 I have lots and lots of jackets for suits of every color. 774 00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:59,760 And guilty secret. What is the most expensive item 775 00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:01,360 of clothing that you've ever bought? 776 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,840 Now you don't have to tell me the price tag, but you could 777 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:09,360 just describe it to me. I would say shoes. 778 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,560 Really. Yeah, a heel. 779 00:42:13,240 --> 00:42:16,320 Yeah, I've got some really nice brands of shoes. 780 00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,800 By who? Which designers do? 781 00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:25,800 You I've got some Jimmy shoes, I see. 782 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:27,720 I always think I'm going to backtrack. 783 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,520 I always think if you have one nice staple piece, so like we 784 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,000 have, it's a really nice jacket. Even if it's quite expensive, 785 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,800 you can have other things that are less expensive. 786 00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:40,080 Totally, totally. Because sometimes I could have a 787 00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:43,360 really lovely pair of shoes that all eyes are on the shoes, but 788 00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:47,120 the outfit doesn't have to be so expensive as long as it fits 789 00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,000 nicely. Somehow doesn't feel as clever 790 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,880 anyhow, does it? If everything's very expensive. 791 00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,200 No, and I think the other thing that I've learned is tailoring. 792 00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:59,960 So sometimes I really love a suit but I'm only 5 foot 3 3/4 793 00:42:59,960 --> 00:43:04,360 so the trousers seem to be so excessively long and you get put 794 00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,640 off by it. But if I go to a tailors and I 795 00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,920 get them fitted, to me they can look stunning with a lovely 796 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:13,000 hill. So for me now it's about I might 797 00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,280 find something and it doesn't always have to be an expensive 798 00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,960 item, but if it's tailored to you it can look amazing, it can 799 00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,160 look like you've had it made. So that's my biggest thing 800 00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:28,000 because my, you know, my close network group, everyday people 801 00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:33,200 that do a nine to five daily job that don't have money and they 802 00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,080 then worry about coming to events with me and what they're 803 00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:37,600 going to wear. And I always say to them, look, 804 00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,040 I just want you as you to come because you're my mate. 805 00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:45,040 But if you want some advice, wear this, but just get it cut 806 00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:49,000 in or wear a belt with it or, you know, kind of wear, look at 807 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:52,440 what you're wearing and is it a pop of color? 808 00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:57,280 You know, I'm not a fashion guru by any means, but having lived 809 00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,640 the life where you have to be seen, there's certain things 810 00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,520 that you get to see and hear, right? 811 00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,640 That sounds. That sounds very wide. 812 00:44:04,720 --> 00:44:08,120 Yeah, very wide, you know, it's even nice handbag that can be a 813 00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,520 glitzy because people's eyes are just on neither the glitz or the 814 00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,480 colour or the pop or the star, right? 815 00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,440 So that's what I say to them and it puts them at ease. 816 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:18,920 What's your approach to sustainable fashion? 817 00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,480 Well, put it this way, as we speak and you're I'm on your 818 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,800 podcast, I'm going to an awards where I'm getting an award and 819 00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:29,360 I'm wearing exactly the same jumpsuit I wore another event 820 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,960 about four weeks ago, one because I really like it. 821 00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,480 Bravo is all I will say. I just wear a different color 822 00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,200 shoes, right? But I love this outfit. 823 00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,880 Not many people saw me in it other than at this event. 824 00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,680 I didn't get snapped everywhere. I didn't even put the photo out 825 00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,800 and I thought, I really like it. I spent money on this. 826 00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,680 I'm going to wear it again. Great, I have a hashtag for it. 827 00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,040 Go on, re wear. Don't care. 828 00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,320 There you go. And I think if you've got 829 00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,000 something you love, wear it and wear it. 830 00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,760 Yeah, I'm going to do that because you do get to a point 831 00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:06,360 again, it is the being in the public height hangover is that 832 00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,560 you get snapped. You have to put it up, You don't 833 00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:10,560 wanna be seeing it again. And I've just got to a point 834 00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,400 where I thought I don't actually have time to go out all the 835 00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,120 time. And I think we've moved on from 836 00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:16,760 that. Yeah, actually I think it now 837 00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:18,200 you. Know the ability. 838 00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,280 It looks clever, you know, when you think of even sort of the 839 00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,960 royal family who get photographed all the time. 840 00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:27,600 When Kate wears something again and again, Yeah, it's everyone's 841 00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:29,480 clapping it. Can still look slightly 842 00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,080 different. You know, you can wear the 843 00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:35,680 different shoes or the jewelry or the handbag or a jacket over 844 00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:37,840 it and it makes a different look. 845 00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,640 So that's what I thought. I'm wearing what I wanted to 846 00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:42,840 wear tonight. Good, good, good. 847 00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,520 Let's spin on some quick fire questions. 848 00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,120 What fashion advice would you give your 20 year old self? 849 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:54,400 Don't care what people think. What fashion trend would you 850 00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,360 most like to see make a comeback? 851 00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,360 I used to have jeans with the pipe down the side. 852 00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,720 Do you remember the whole drain pipe? 853 00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:04,760 Jeans of a colour? And then you have the belt. 854 00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,080 That's going well back into my youth. 855 00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:12,160 Or the shoes. The kickers just have kickers. 856 00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:16,200 I loved my Yeah the kickers. Which fashion beauty trend would 857 00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:21,720 you consign to Room 101? The thin eyebrows that they used 858 00:46:21,720 --> 00:46:23,080 to have, Don't ever bring them back. 859 00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,760 The real real just like a little slip. 860 00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:29,400 Please don't bring them back. Your last impulse by. 861 00:46:31,240 --> 00:46:33,200 This leather jacket that I have on right now. 862 00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:37,400 Your views on tattoos? Love them. 863 00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:40,040 I have 13. I'm going to get another one. 864 00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:44,120 I got, what, a half a sleeve? Beauty treatment you couldn't 865 00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:45,920 give up. Facials. 866 00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:48,760 High End or High Street? Both. 867 00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,560 Bling or Bear? Bing Bling. 868 00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:58,600 Minimalism or Maximalism? Oh, you know, they say the less 869 00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,320 is more, but it depends what you're going to. 870 00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,080 On the fence, Crocs. Cute or puke? 871 00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,920 Oh, puke. Sneakers or stilettos? 872 00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:12,040 Sneakers any day. Skinnies or boyfriends or wide 873 00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,360 legs? Oh, with skinnies, I'm making a 874 00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,280 comeback, as you know, but I'm probably in the middle of the 875 00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,400 Boyfriend. Body Con or both her. 876 00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:25,520 Yeah, Body Con. Sports Lux or Rock chick? 877 00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,120 Rock chick. Red carpet or relax? 878 00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,240 Relax. Trend or style? 879 00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,120 A little bit of both, depending on what the trend is. 880 00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,680 Color or monochrome? Both. 881 00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,400 Experimental or uniform? Experimental. 882 00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:44,560 Having spent half of your. Life in uniform? 883 00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,080 Exactly. Cashmere or cotton? 884 00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:52,320 Oh, most of my things are cotton. 885 00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:53,800 They're just every day, isn't it? 886 00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:57,160 Hoarder or editor? Hoarder. 887 00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:00,960 Shapewear or sexy lingerie? Shapewear. 888 00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:06,120 Tights or stockings? Oh, neither. 889 00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,720 Bikini or One Piece? Bikini. 890 00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:15,320 Beanie or Berry Beanie. And finally, at the end of the 891 00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,800 day, what do you or don't you wear in bed? 892 00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:21,440 Nothing. I go commando. 893 00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:28,000 Kelly, Dame Kelly Holmes, MBE, I cannot thank you enough. 894 00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,520 What a pleasure. This conversation has been 895 00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:34,840 really great fun and I could have talked all afternoon. 896 00:48:35,240 --> 00:48:36,600 Oh, thank you. And can I be Jackie?