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I was born into an Afghan 
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dreamt of being a journalist 
from the age of seven, you know,

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and and fought and was an 
insurgent. 

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About how I got there. 
It wasn't a conventional Rd. 

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Last week I did a story about a 
22 year old woman in Afghanistan

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who had been arrested and 
sentenced to death for trying to

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coach young women in and girls 
in Taekwondo, and I highlighted 

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the story. 
The Taliban got in touch with me

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and 48 hours later she was 
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I think that I'm very 
comfortable in my style now. 

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You know, I'm 42, I know what my
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from my hair to the colour, you 
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to the clothing I wear. 
You know, when I was younger, I 

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used to use the phrase power 
dressing because I was so young 

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and I was in a man's world and I
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During your career you you must 
have presented some pretty big 

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moments. 
We know you have. 

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I'd love to understand your 
thought process into what you 

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choose to wear for specific 
interviews. 

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Today I'm going on a style 
journey with the international 

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news anchor and lead World News 
presenter on Sky News, the 

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fabulous Yelda Hakim. 
Hello and welcome, Yelda. 

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Thank you so much, Iranda. 
It's lovely to have you here 

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today. 
It really is. 

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I know you're used to being in 
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just wondered how it feels to 
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I mean, you are wonderful. 
So I feel very at ease in your 

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company. 
But yeah, there are there are 

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slight nerves because I'm so 
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So, but we're going to have a 
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A conversation, not an interview
as we said before. 

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I mean, do you get nerves before
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You know, I stay very focused. 
I remember many, many years ago 

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asking Jeremy Paxman, who used 
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Newsnight, how he prepares for 
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I was very young journalist, 
having just arrived in London, 

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and he said the way to do it is,
first of all, it's like a 

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seduction. 
So you're luring someone in 

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before you maybe whack them. 
But the way to prepare is to 

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think about what you want the 
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from there. 
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So I remain now very focused. 
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know, the other person is 
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what they're going to say. 
And, you know, their their teams

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have prepared them in a certain 
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Last week in Davos, I 
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general, Mark Reuter. 
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him on because it was just him 
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managed to get Donald Trump out 
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trying to purchase Greenland. 
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manage to convince Donald Trump 
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this U-turn? 
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stuck to message, which made it 
a slightly frustrating 

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interview. 
But because I, we always had a 

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laugh about how much he was 
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And then when I spoke to him 
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is a box. 
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outside of the box. 
Don't bring your ego into this 

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because there is so much at 
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There is the future of NATO, the
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We've got a war in Ukraine. 
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with the US president. 
Don't give her anything that she

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can then, you know, obviously my
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as much information and get a 
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conversation. 
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like, how can I ensure that I 
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that I get extract as much 
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possible. 
And I could go 7 or 8 hours 

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without really drawing breath, 
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Yeah, no commercial breaks, no 
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and capturing the moment and 
helping the audience go on a 

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journey with me, bring them 
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saying to them, you're here with
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much information for you as 
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So whether that was when the 
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You know, I was in live in 
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Donald Trump was arriving to to 
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Knesset. 
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going Shaml Sheikh in Egypt, 
which he did to come up with his

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peace plan to end the war in 
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And the hostages were coming out
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apocalyptic. 
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So there was like this like 
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cue because of all the cameras, 
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because of all the cell phones, 
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But not that I would use it 
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I was just kind of capturing the
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Wow, have you ever had a moment 
live on air that you've thought,

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Oh my God, auto cue is gone and 
you sort of lose your lose your 

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spot? 
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had that after my son where I 
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thinking what, what, what have 
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What do I just ask exactly? 
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about? 
I really have to to focus. 

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It is, you know, it's such a 
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But for me, it's become a lesson
in mindfulness to be in the 

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space, to be in the moment. 
I can't think about anything 

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else when I'm live on air. 
I have to be with that person 

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also listening in my ear where 
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to me, camera 6, camera one. 
The next guest is coming. 

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Wrap this up. 
You've got 20 seconds left, you 

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know, and they're having and not
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So I have an open mic which 
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conversations with the people 
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know, technical issues. 
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whilst I'm having a. 
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So it's, I always find that 
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when it's a whole different 
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of this information being fed in
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Peddling hard. 
Peddling hard. 

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I mean you, you mentioned 
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Do you, do you have any sort of 
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breathing exercises or a mini 
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that? 
Yeah, I, I really do believe in,

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you know, breathing exercises 
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my 6 year old. 
Every morning we do a breathing 

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exercise and we do little 
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the morning as well. 
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thing I've realised just raising
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don't think we were taught is 
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And you know, I think it, this 
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to me about regulation. 
And so I'm almost learning again

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and relearning how to manage 
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stress. 
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broadcast, I get myself in the 
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What's your ritual so? 
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it'll be hair and make up is my 
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That is where I go. 
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know, I have a make up artist 
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years that I brought over to Sky
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And we have an understanding, 
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friend and a confidante. 
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But I also, you know, I will 
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say, you've got this, you know, 
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exercises or I will call someone
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and say, I'm about to go into 
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going to be great. 
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So it's kind of drawing in all 
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For example, when I was in, I 
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interviewing President Zelensky 
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He his office called me, you 
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said, can you get to Kiev by 
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Now there's a no fly zone. 
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You have to go to Moldova first 
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country. 
Maybe not in the dead of night, 

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but that's what we did. 
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And I just remember sitting in 
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presidential palace and cutting 
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but not even looking at my 
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privilege of the moment. 
You know, that how massive this 

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interview is historic. 
Donald Trump was coming to 

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London. 
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Donald Trump through an 
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And they reached out to me. 
So I felt the weight of that 

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interview, the moment, what he 
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going to deliver it. 
Don't forget he had that massive

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bust up in the White House, you 
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publicly humiliated. 
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relationship because I've been 
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years. 
He came to London straight after

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the blow up and I interviewed 
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And so I, but I, you know, so I 
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me, this isn't about how I feel.
This is about me doing the best 

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possible job I can to help 
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And now everything's digital. 
Audiences around the world 

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listen to this man and for me to
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him but also get his messaging 
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deliver it to the world. 
You're fresh out of Davos and 

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you're very much as the world 
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different stories. 
Are there any other projects 

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that you've got going on that 
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about, or does that just consume
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I mean, I have a foundation for 
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constantly monitoring what's 
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it's, you know, in well over 
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haven't been able to go to 
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edict literally the day after 
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said all girls must remain at 
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And we're now talking, you know,
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these young girls who are 
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hopes and dreams of the world 
and want to be like any young 

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person anywhere and cannot, you 
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They are being denied their 
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And, you know, I, I think about 
sliding doors as well, You know,

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how life could be so different 
if my parents hadn't emigrated 

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to Australia, if they hadn't 
given me the opportunities and 

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the education that I had. 
And, you know, if my parents 

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weren't educated and felt the 
importance of having young girls

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who were given access to the 
best education, maybe I wouldn't

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be here now. 
And my life would be very 

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different if they hadn't made 
certain choices for themselves 

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and for us. 
So I have been back to those 

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streets of Kabul many times. 
I've been to the hospital where 

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I was born. 
I met an Afghan female 

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journalist many years ago who 
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And she, you know, was a 
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networks. 
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I was filming her doing her 
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And she was like being stopped 
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She was so famous and everyone 
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She was, you know, the main one 
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bulletins every night that the 
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So she was Uber Uber famous. 
And she was born in the same 

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hospital as me a month before 
after me, a mother of four, 

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married off in the 1990s as a 
teenager to a Taliban who ended 

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up getting killed after 911. 
So she went back to journalism 

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school with, and she had these 
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And, you know, her face was 
weathered and she looked much 

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older than me. 
And her life was very different,

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the journey that her life had 
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you know, this respected 
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life was very different to the 
freedom that I grew up in as a 

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young teenager in and and child 
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So I feel a sense of 
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So we have scholarship programs.
You know, we have the largest 

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scholarship program for refugees
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We have 250 young Afghan women 
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at the Big 10. 
I have a scholarship program 

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here at Oxford University. 
I'm constantly talking to and 

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working with, you know, local 
NGOs to see if we can support 

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them through funding and other, 
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of like food for education type 
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also takes centre stage. 
And I'm doing a lot of work 

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around the Iran protests right 
now, speaking to those in the 

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country that had an Internet 
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we're trying to get more 

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information. 
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30,000 people were killed in 
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So horrific, horrific stuff. 
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energy is spent at the moment. 
I mean, it's interesting how you

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talk about sliding doors. 
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it? 
Are you still in touch with that

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journalist? 
She fled Afghanistan after. 

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The fall of the government and, 
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and moved to Canada and she 
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anyone. 
She, you know, lost so much 

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again, you know, and she built a
life for herself and for her 

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children. 
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on on the run, stateless and now
in Canada with these older 

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children, you know, and I think 
that she just felt like I was 

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denied an education. 
I was married off to a Taliban 

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as a teenager. 
I then made it. 

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I became a journalist. 
I was a female roaming around 

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Kabul reporting about the state 
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the run again. 
It's so it's, it was quite 

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heartbreaking. 
And she's just chosen not to, 

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really. 
Communicate. 

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Yeah. 
What is going to happen, do you 

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feel, in Afghanistan with these,
you know, with female education?

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It's, you know, it's, it's 
devastating because I think it's

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so much worse than the 90s when 
the Taliban were first swept to 

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power in 1996, because it was 
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This can't go on forever. 
And then, of course, 911 

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happened. 
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administration invaded 
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there for 20 years. 
So that that was in a strange 

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way, a moment of hope for so 
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I remember I was in high school 
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people were celebrating because 
they thought this is going to be

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the end of a dark chapter. 
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it went dark again and this 
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launching large scale attacks 
where, you know, many people I 

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knew ended up being killed in 
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bombs across the country, 
relationships that I developed 

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over years. 
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saying so and so and their 
family are dead. 

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But it I think that it's so much
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last 20 years, the post 911 
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of a generation of that's not 
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What happened to our mothers, 
what happened to, you know, the 

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generation before us is not 
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This is now a time of hope and 
the international community is 

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focused on us and we are going 
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And now it just all feels 
hopeless, you know? 

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And the Taliban have managed, 
they've quite clever this time 

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in their PR. 
They've managed to balance a 

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situation where we don't see a 
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So why then would the West pay 
attention to what's going on in 

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this country, whether it comes 
to security or girls education? 

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And I guess my messaging always 
to the Taliban has been, and I 

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talk to them all of the time. 
I question them over text and 

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WhatsApp about girls education 
and how long is this going to go

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on for? 
And they contact me when I put 

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out something and they get very 
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sort of gets attention. 
They, you know, I feel that 

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they're very cunning and they 
they have managed APR campaign 

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where they're still talking to 
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we're not harming anyone. 
So I unfortunately for now feel 

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quite hopeless that nothing 
lasts forever, as we know from 

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history. 
But I feel for now, in this 

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moment, in this period, it's, 
it's very. 

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Dark. 
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They, you know, believe that 
women over the age and girls 

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over the age of 12 don't have a 
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They have to. 
It's almost like a little bit of

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hands. 
Handmaid's Tale, you know, in 

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the sense that they are there 
for child rearing, You know, 

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after the age of 12, once you 
reach puberty, you should be 

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staying at home, you should be 
married and you should have 

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children. 
The idea of ambition judges and 

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activists and journalists and 
women who are free is not just 

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alien to their brainwashed minds
because they're all 

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indoctrinated and they all were 
in these kind of mattresses 

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across Pakistan and southern 
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the country, predominantly in 
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They, they don't see that, you 
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half communist when the Taliban 
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You know, when people saying 
good Taliban, bad Taliban, it's 

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different this time, it's like 
they're Islamists and they are 

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going to ensure that girls never
get educated again. 

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And that's exactly what. 
Happened, but they clearly don't

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see you as an Afghan woman if 
they're prepared to reach out to

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you and converse with you. 
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I weirdly for them straddle this
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On the one hand, they you know, 
well, kind of I had one Taliban 

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send me a message. 
I I did a series of interviews 

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on. 
Your phone must be fascinating. 

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My WhatsApp messages everywhere 
between General Petraeus, it was

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former CIA and US commander in 
in Afghanistan and the Taliban 

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to Israeli officials and 
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So it's, it's, it's a, it's a 
mishmash of people. 

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And then my girlfriends so say, 
what are we doing tonight? 

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But it's, you know, I, I, I 
think that they on the one hand,

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are terrified of what I 
represent because I represent 

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everything that they don't want 
for Afghan girls, you know, a 

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voice, freedom, a platform, you 
know, someone who is clearly has

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completely immersed themselves 
and assimilated themselves into 

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the Western world. 
And that is something that my 

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parents celebrated. 
You know, when I sometimes I'm 

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critical of Australia, they get 
so angry at me, you know, 

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because they are so such proud 
Australians, because Australia 

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gave them life again, you know, 
when they fled Afghanistan in 

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the early 80s. 
But I, I think that they view me

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as a, a bridge and A and a 
bridge that kind of understands 

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them, but also get has this 
window to the to the West where 

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they want to talk. 
So when Kabul was falling and 

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the Taliban were at the gates of
Kabul, they called me on my 

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phone and I was live on air. 
So I took the call while I was 

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live on air in my ear. 
They were saying to me, what is 

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she doing? 
Because all I was saying was I 

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looked down the barrel of the 
camera and I said, you know, can

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they hear my phone? 
Can the audiences hear my phone?

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And the studio was like, yeah, 
yeah. 

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And I was like, I'm putting my 
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And this was all playing out 
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And because we were, like, 
interviewing people and people 

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were terrified and crying on air
to me and at former ambassadors 

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and officials stuck in Kabul, 
planes leaving the country, 

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people falling out of the sky. 
Every second there was a new 

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breaking story. 
The president of the country 

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fled the country. 
A plane just taken off and 20 

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people fell out of the sky. 
The Americans are locked into 

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their bases. 
You know, it was all just 

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unfolding. 
And then my phone rings and I 

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press the green button and it's 
a Taliban. 

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And I put it on speaker and I 
did a 45 minute interview with 

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him about what are your 
intentions? 

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Are you going to stern women? 
Are you going to stop them from 

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going to school? 
And he answered all of my 

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questions for 40 minutes. 
And so it's a weird relationship

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with them for me. 
I'm so critical, critical to the

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point where I no longer feel 
safe going back to the country. 

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I was going to say, how sweet do
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There. 
Yeah. 

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So the last time I went back was
about 2 1/2 years ago and 

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weirdly the leadership in a 
strange way want to ensure that 

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when I am there I'm safe. 
I don't I nothing happens to me.

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They can't control the foot 
soldiers, you know, they can't 

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control the, the trolls on X. 
So there was a lot of chatter on

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social media once it was known 
that I was in the country and 

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they were death threats. 
So the leadership took me out of

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the BBC Bureau and they took me 
to the Serena Hotel where I had 

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armed guards outside my room 
till I left the country because 

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it just got so terrifying, you 
know, and and my son was 3 1/2 

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at the time, so. 
Do you ever doubt what you were 

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doing at that moment? 
I, you know, I, I think it again

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comes to when we talked earlier 
about the awesome 

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responsibility. 
I feel the privilege and almost 

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like sometimes the burden of the
responsibility. 

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You know, I was born into an 
Afghan family, grew up in 

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Australia, dreamt of being a 
journalist from the age of 

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seven, you know, and, and fought
and was an insurgent about how I

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got there. 
It wasn't a conventional road. 

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And so to be now doing something
that I am so passionate about 

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and to have a platform and to 
have such a love for the work I 

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do and then knowing that it has 
the positive impact, it 

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highlights things. 
Last week I did a story about a 

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22 year old woman in Afghanistan
who had been arrested and 

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sentenced to death for trying to
coach young women in and girls 

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in Taekwondo. 
Taliban arrested her, took her 

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away and she was in prison. 
And I saw a report that the UN 

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had done asking for her release 
and I that I clocked that 

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initially. 
Then someone wrote to me saying,

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do you mind highlighting this? 
And I highlighted the story. 

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The Taliban got in touch with me
and 48 hours later she was 

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released. 
So that is the power of of the 

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media and journalism and what we
have. 

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And these platforms, you know, 
we're critical of these social 

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media platforms, but it sort of 
goes viral these things and 

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suddenly a regime feels under 
pressure, right? 

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And so, I mean, why do you think
the Iranian regime cut the 

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Internet for two weeks because 
they didn't want the voices 

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coming out. 
So when when you see that and 

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you know, and you know that it's
just going to move the needle 

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just a little bit, I. 
Then don't doubt what I do. 

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Complex characters. 

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in Australia, I was about 26 and
I had a stylist there. 

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And, you know, at that age, 
you're still really exploring 

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your fashion, you're trying 
different things. 

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And I was very experimentative, 
you know, with my, with my 

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style. 
And she sort of steered me 

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towards more minimalist, you 
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And I love sort of a Japanese 

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that's kind of my, you know, the

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quirky side of me when I'm off 
duty. 

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00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,400
Theatre. 
I picked this up in New York 

449
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:36,600
when I was covering the UN 
General Assembly. 

450
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:41,960
I have some framed jeans on and 
I have a little Zara lace, sort 

451
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:47,560
of, you know, High Street 
replica of the original and some

452
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,080
Tory Burch bits. 
Great, great. 

453
00:26:50,360 --> 00:26:51,840
Do you work with a stylist a 
lot? 

454
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,400
At the moment, not really. 
I think that I'm very 

455
00:26:55,400 --> 00:27:03,400
comfortable in my style now. 
You know, I'm 42, I know what my

456
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:07,440
look should be, whether it's 
from my hair to the colour, you 

457
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,760
know, to the jewellery I wear, 
to the clothing I wear. 

458
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,400
You know, when I was younger, I 
used to use the phrase power 

459
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:19,640
dressing because I was so young 
and I was in a man's world and I

460
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,200
felt I needed to look older. 
So, you know, I'd work with a 

461
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:27,960
stylist to, you know, tried to 
balance that, still allowing me 

462
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:32,360
to be myself, but helping me 
look a little bit more grown up 

463
00:27:32,360 --> 00:27:35,880
when I was interviewing 
presidents and, you know, heads 

464
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:40,600
of state and policy makers. 
But now I kind of find myself. 

465
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:45,280
I just gravitate towards comfort
and also what makes me feel 

466
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,440
good. 
Scrolling back, you're born in 

467
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:52,360
Afghanistan, left as a refugee. 
Six months. 

468
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,640
I only know stories of what my 
parents told me about that. 

469
00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:00,080
And over the last few years I've
learnt more about their, how 

470
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,480
they fled. 
You know my father it was. 

471
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,040
Quite a story, wasn't? 
It Yeah, my father is an 

472
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:06,640
architect. 
He's 74. 

473
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:11,560
He still works and he still has 
his firm in Sydney and he works 

474
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,880
6 1/2 days a week. 
You know, he's just dedicated to

475
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:21,000
his career and his work. 
And but he was sent to Prague to

476
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:26,040
study architecture. 
You know, it was Afghanistan had

477
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,680
a sort of Soviet backed 
government and they would send 

478
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:34,080
young men and women to the 
Eastern Bloc to get an 

479
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,440
education. 
And my dad went there to study 

480
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,200
architecture and he was 
separated from my mum. 

481
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,040
They were very young when they 
got together, and they had two 

482
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,280
small children. 
And he left for five and a half,

483
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,360
almost six years, and they'd 
only communicate through 

484
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:53,760
letters. 
And when he returned, he was one

485
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:57,640
of 140 men who had gone away, 
men and women. 

486
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,160
And when he returned, he was one
of two. 

487
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,920
And families were just waiting, 
you know, with their children at

488
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,600
the airport for their loved ones
to come back. 

489
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:12,080
Do you mean he was one of two? 
Well, the others fled, defected,

490
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,240
defected to Europe. 
You know, they didn't want to 

491
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,440
come back to a country on the 
brink of war. 

492
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,840
The monarchy had collapsed, 
Soviet backed governments had 

493
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:24,880
taken over. 
And you know, people thought I 

494
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,600
have an opportunity to get away 
from this country. 

495
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,720
We're going to be conscripted 
into the army. 

496
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,440
And my dad came back because he 
had two small children and my 

497
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:37,080
mother and he was conscripted 
into the army and so he had to 

498
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:42,080
look for a route out. 
And so my older brother and 

499
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:46,440
sister, they were eight and six 
at the time and six month old 

500
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:53,520
me, my dad and mum sort of fled,
you know, sort of disguised as 

501
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:58,920
kind of family who were 
impoverished, who were trying to

502
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,720
get medical help in Pakistan and
made a journey across 

503
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,880
Afghanistan to get there, sort 
of overcoming all sorts of 

504
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:10,520
dangers with a six month old. 
So I think that, you know, I and

505
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,440
I've heard so many more details 
about that journey. 

506
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,280
I decided to interview my father
a couple of years ago to ask him

507
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,760
because I just thought this is 
kind of a moment where these are

508
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,720
stories I don't want to be to 
lose. 

509
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,960
So we've had a lot of and I 
guess the older you get, the 

510
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,440
more interested you are in, you 
know, your family's history and 

511
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:35,040
that sort of generation of how 
things changed. 

512
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,720
And so, you know, I, I've 
learned a lot about tenacity and

513
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:42,680
drive and their hunger and quest
for life and a better life for 

514
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,480
their young family. 
And I often think I wonder what 

515
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,520
I would do if I was in that 
position. 

516
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:52,760
But I make those sorts of bold 
decisions to flee and find a 

517
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:54,720
better life. 
And then, you know, my father 

518
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:58,240
wanted to leave Pakistan and he 
wanted to come to the West. 

519
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,960
And so he reached out to an 
architect in Afghanistan who 

520
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,960
reached out to a friend in 
Australia who was an architect. 

521
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,080
His wife, Nancy, picked up the 
phone. 

522
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,920
And he, you know, this guy 
Nuristani, told Nancy this 

523
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,440
entire story about our young 
family in Pakistan. 

524
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,600
And she rang her husband, who 
was lecturing in Oslo and said, 

525
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,720
you know, Nuristani is called 
this young family. 

526
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,720
And he said we can't save 
everyone. 

527
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,880
They sort of brought over a 
bunch of Afghan families where 

528
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,320
she hung up, ignored him, filled
out the form, sent it, and a 

529
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:30,040
month later we were accepted 
into the country. 

530
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,720
Got another sliding door, Yeah. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

531
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,680
But things could have been very 
different if she said, oh, I 

532
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,120
won't bother filling out this 
form. 

533
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,480
And my father rang her, You 
know, he'd ambushed the 

534
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,240
Australian High Commissioner in 
Pakistan, in Islamabad for that 

535
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,000
entire month, sort of saying, 
take this form, take this form. 

536
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,760
And she, he rang Nancy and said,
we've been accepted. 

537
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,680
You don't know me, but we've 
been accepted. 

538
00:31:54,080 --> 00:32:00,720
So Sayed, her husband flew from 
Oslo to Islamabad to meet us 

539
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,840
because he had no idea who this 
family was. 

540
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,840
And he was supposed to come for 
three days and he stayed a 

541
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,040
month. 
So he stayed the entire time and

542
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,680
put us on a plane. 
And then Nancy met us with a 

543
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:14,040
placard at Sydney airport saying
Hucky and family. 

544
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:15,960
And that's the story. 
Do you remember the? 

545
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:23,440
I remember being on an aircraft 
and my being terrified of 

546
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,840
turbulence. 
And I have a younger sister and 

547
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:31,840
she was a tiny, you know, maybe 
sort of 1 1/2 two. 

548
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,600
And she sort of kept jumping up 
and down wanting it to go 

549
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,040
higher. 
So she wanted us to go higher. 

550
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,560
And I was terrified because 
maybe I knew too much at that 

551
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:44,280
point. 
And so you're in Australia? 

552
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,880
At age 3, yeah, 3 1/2. 
And then what was What were your

553
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:53,320
earliest memories of clothes and
fashion? 

554
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,320
Was your mother very stylish? 
I you know, I remember my 

555
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:02,240
mother, she had these incredible
gold high heels and I've spent 

556
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,040
my adult life looking for a 
replica pair. 

557
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:11,520
She loved gold heels and gold 
handbags and you know, she loved

558
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:17,280
dresses with big shoulder pads, 
sort of in the 80s and 90s. 

559
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:21,160
That was her look. 
And so she wore Western style 

560
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,080
clothes. 
I don't remember Pakistan at 

561
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,000
all, her clothing. 
But when we moved to Australia, 

562
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,920
she would, they would go out to 
dinner parties a lot, you know, 

563
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,440
every weekend, Friday, Saturday,
sometimes Sunday, they would be 

564
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,840
out and sometimes we would go 
with them, my younger sister and

565
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:37,880
I. 
And sometimes we would not. 

566
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:42,240
But there would be days where 
when I was about 9 or 10 years 

567
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:48,120
old, where, you know, we lived 
in Sydney and suburbia, very 

568
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,480
safe. 
And my parents would go out, my 

569
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,680
mum and dad for lunch or out to 
see someone. 

570
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,120
And my younger sister and I 
would be left at home on our 

571
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,120
own. 
And we loved it because we would

572
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,800
both get into our mother's 
clothing and put all her make up

573
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,640
on so she had like a massive 
dressing table and I would cover

574
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,880
my face and red those sticks. 
And we would both, we would 

575
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,480
have, you know, we would wear 
her heels and carry her bags and

576
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,840
tease our hair and wear her 
dresses and just like endlessly 

577
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,600
try on all the clothes. 
But we would we would check with

578
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,960
her before she was coming, what 
time she was returning. 

579
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:26,280
So we'd put everything back. 
So they're my earliest memories.

580
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:31,120
But do you remember a particular
outfit, not necessarily of your 

581
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:35,400
mother's, but of yours that you 
put on and it was just the game 

582
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:39,600
changing outfit? 
Yeah, I mean, my sort of style 

583
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,920
inspiration was always my older 
sister. 

584
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,320
She's very fashionable and she's
sort of shaped a lot of my 

585
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:49,120
style. 
But I think for me as a young 

586
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:53,199
girl, you know, certainly if we 
went to a wedding party or, you 

587
00:34:53,199 --> 00:35:00,880
know, a sort of a gathering and 
I put on a sort of a beautiful 

588
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:05,400
dress, I always from a very 
young age felt really good. 

589
00:35:05,720 --> 00:35:08,640
Did you wear a school uniform? 
I did, yes. 

590
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,920
Yes. 
So Australia, all schools wear 

591
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:18,680
school uniform and it was a blue
and white dress with white socks

592
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,320
and black shoes. 
So I did. 

593
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:21,240
I did. 
Do you like it? 

594
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,160
I didn't love it. 
I mean, I think, you know, I 

595
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:30,120
like the concept of a uniform, 
something that is uniquely 

596
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,680
yours. 
And there have been different 

597
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:37,440
moments in my sort of style 
evolution that I've thought 

598
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:41,520
about adopting a uniform, a look
that is mine. 

599
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:48,080
And so I, you know, as a young 
kid, I think I, I sort of liked 

600
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,600
days when we could wear whatever
we wanted at school. 

601
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:57,120
And I think people always sort 
of, I personally think that even

602
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:02,880
at a very young age, other, 
especially young girls wood 

603
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:07,120
clock that I, you know, like to 
wear nice clothes and like to 

604
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,120
wear things that were a little 
bit different. 

605
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:14,680
So I, yeah, I, I can't say I 
loved the uniform, but I like 

606
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:19,440
the idea of a uniform. 
As your style journey evolved, 

607
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:24,360
were you a very keen shopper? 
Did you borrow your sister's 

608
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,480
clothes? 
Did you shop in second hand 

609
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,800
stores? 
How did you evolve your own 

610
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,800
style? 
A combination of everything. 

611
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,120
So a lot of borrowing from my 
old shoe, you know, 6 1/2 years 

612
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,440
older than me. 
So she was when I was 12, she 

613
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,080
was 18. 
And she was very much 

614
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,080
comfortable in her skin and 
style. 

615
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:46,160
And so as a 12 year old, it was 
cool to have an older sister 

616
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:50,320
whose clothes you could take and
wear and you know, that would 

617
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:55,320
immediately set you aside, apart
from others who were at the same

618
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:56,760
age as youth. 
They didn't have an older 

619
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:00,640
sibling. 
But for me, I was always 

620
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:05,160
experimenting, always like, you 
know, when I was at university, 

621
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:10,120
I was definitely trying pre 
loved and second hand clothing a

622
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,760
lot, jackets and trousers and 
dresses. 

623
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:18,160
I was constantly scouting out 
flea markets and second hand 

624
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,800
stores and sort of looking 
around for for things that were 

625
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:27,080
slightly different with the kind
of combination of shopping a lot

626
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,080
from the High Street in 
Australia, there's a lot of 

627
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,440
malls. 
So it kind of evolved from that.

628
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:37,880
And I would follow fashion 
trends until I realized actually

629
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:39,120
you don't need to be 
fashionable. 

630
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:40,960
You can just have your own 
unique style. 

631
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:46,320
And I think that took a while, 
you know, but it did help that, 

632
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,440
you know, I was 26 and I had a 
stylist because I became ATV 

633
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:54,800
presenter. 
And so she, you know, she 

634
00:37:55,120 --> 00:38:00,240
definitely played a massive role
in those formative years of my 

635
00:38:00,240 --> 00:38:03,400
on air look and in the field 
look. 

636
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:07,680
You know, And did you always 
agree with her ideas? 

637
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:12,800
Not always because she was 
incredibly quirky and kind of 

638
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:17,120
out of this world with a pop of 
colour and big shoulders and 

639
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,880
square shoulders and oversized 
on air, but then structured as 

640
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,640
well. 
So I would often have the news 

641
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,280
directors form your side and say
you don't have to listen to 

642
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,600
Leslie. 
You know, you can kind of we, 

643
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:33,840
we'll just like manage her 
because she was, so it was kind 

644
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,680
of an insane style that really 
worked for her. 

645
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:41,760
But that's interesting because 
as as a news reporter, 

646
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:47,440
journalist, you, you, yeah, my 
assumption is quite incorrectly 

647
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:52,800
probably is that it's a sort of 
more play pared down look, 

648
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:57,640
because what you're talking 
about sort of distressed deaths,

649
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:03,120
you know, wars, all of that, you
know, these big stories. 

650
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,720
And and that should the story 
should be the story. 

651
00:39:05,720 --> 00:39:08,000
For sure. 
And I think Leslie had the 

652
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,080
ability to sometimes distract 
from that and hence the news 

653
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:14,120
director stepping in because it 
would either be like a really 

654
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:18,440
crazy earring or one earring or 
you know, something around your 

655
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,240
neck that like everyone would 
spend the whole time looking. 

656
00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:25,360
And so I learnt really quickly 
the art of, you know, the 

657
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:29,040
importance of respect we need to
give the story because sometimes

658
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,400
can be quite horrific. 
And if you've got something on, 

659
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:36,240
especially as a woman that's 
distracting, it can take away 

660
00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:38,560
from what is actually being 
said. 

661
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:42,080
And so that's why I say the 
evolution of my style took some 

662
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,440
time because I was interested in
the quirky. 

663
00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:51,320
But I knew, and I learnt from 
being berated by the news 

664
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:55,240
management and so was she, that 
when as we were experimenting 

665
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,800
that wasn't working for what 
they wanted and what the 

666
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,520
messaging. 
And did they get, was it just 

667
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:04,640
their feedback or was the 
feedback through to the studio 

668
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:08,120
from viewers, etcetera? 
So it was a different. 

669
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:12,160
Time in the sense that social 
media wasn't, you know, a way at

670
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,720
all of accessing. 
They can't just go online and 

671
00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:16,440
vomit. 
Absolutely not at all. 

672
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,680
They'd have to write a letter or
an e-mail. 

673
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:23,480
And so, and because there was 
the audience was once get 

674
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,720
removed from you when you would 
get those letters, you'd take it

675
00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:28,720
quite seriously, actually, 
especially if there was an 

676
00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:31,600
influx. 
And I think, yeah, occasionally 

677
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:35,080
there would be criticism of the 
clothing that all of us 

678
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,960
presenters wore across the board
because she styled it all of us.

679
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:43,160
And so she had to then manage 
that as well, you know, trying 

680
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:47,240
to figure out what we like to 
wear and then manage that for 

681
00:40:47,240 --> 00:40:49,680
how you look on screen. 
They didn't think about changing

682
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:53,000
your style list. 
I think we all, everybody had a 

683
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:57,080
really soft spot for her. 
And she, you know, she, we're 

684
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,040
friends on Instagram still. 
And I just think, wow. 

685
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,320
Tell me, worst fashion moment on
air? 

686
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:05,680
It's. 
In the field. 

687
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:10,280
Well, she bought a dress for me 
that I then wore to the BBC and 

688
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:14,800
it was a kimono, but it looked 
like a nightgown, a night dress,

689
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,720
a nightgown. 
And I remember wearing it and 

690
00:41:17,720 --> 00:41:22,720
getting messages from DC, the 
bureau's in DC, all over Asia, 

691
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,840
the news management going what 
is going on? 

692
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:29,240
What is that outfit? 
So that never saw the light of 

693
00:41:29,240 --> 00:41:33,160
day again. 
During your career you you must 

694
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,640
have presented some pretty big 
moments. 

695
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,960
We know you have. 
I'd love to understand your 

696
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:44,440
thought process into what you 
choose to wear for specific 

697
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:48,680
interviews. 
I gravitate towards black lot 

698
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:54,000
for interviews, so when I was 
going to see Zelensky at 

699
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:59,240
President Zelensky at Stansted 
Airport, we got the call to say 

700
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,920
he's on his way and he's asked 
for a very small group of 

701
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:04,480
journalists to come and meet 
with him. 

702
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:11,120
So me and my A crew from Sky 
went out to the airport and I 

703
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,360
was by the football pitch when I
got the call on a Saturday 

704
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:18,680
morning with my son. 
And I rushed home and I grabbed 

705
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:23,320
a sort of a, just a black, you 
know, blazer. 

706
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:30,200
And I, I tend to go towards like
black and darker colours because

707
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:34,080
it gives me a level of 
confidence, but also it's a safe

708
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,680
space for me. 
Again, it goes back to the 

709
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,440
conversation we're just having 
about no distraction. 

710
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:44,360
The focus is he's just had this 
horrific experience in the White

711
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,280
House at the Oval Office. 
It's been this massive blow up 

712
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:51,560
that the whole world has seen. 
Usually in geopolitics and 

713
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,800
foreign policy, these things 
happen behind the scenes. 

714
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,600
You might hear about it through 
a leak. 

715
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,680
You never see it. 
We're suddenly exposed to the 

716
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,680
ugliness of conversations behind
closed doors between world 

717
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,160
leaders that, frankly, we should
never have been exposed to. 

718
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:10,360
And so suddenly, you know, this 
man who is leading his country 

719
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:14,320
through this war is sitting at 
Stansted Airport and one of the 

720
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,600
criticisms he faced was what he 
was wearing. 

721
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:19,800
And he was questioned, why 
aren't you wearing a suit? 

722
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,200
You're in the Oval Office. 
Show some respect. 

723
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:27,200
So I, you know, deliberately 
just wore a, just a black 

724
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:31,360
jacket, black jeans and a black 
high neck, roll neck. 

725
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,760
You know, it's cold. 
And so that's what I, I, I wore.

726
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:39,840
And I try, you know, sometimes I
hear, especially in my business 

727
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,680
news presenter, especially women
say I wear bright colours 

728
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:47,720
because in a press pack or in a 
scrum, I want to be noticed. 

729
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,720
If I'm wearing bright pink or 
bright red, you know, and 

730
00:43:51,720 --> 00:43:55,080
someone is looking at a crowd, I
want them to notice me and say, 

731
00:43:55,240 --> 00:43:56,480
you know, you asked the 
question. 

732
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,880
I always find black does that 
for me. 

733
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:04,240
You know, in a weird way, I wear
black and I feel I can command a

734
00:44:04,240 --> 00:44:06,160
room that goes back to that 
power dressing. 

735
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:10,320
And I also then feel like it's 
not necessarily about what I'm 

736
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,120
wearing. 
I'm just focused on what they're

737
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,480
saying. 
Yeah, Who was the most 

738
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,520
intimidating person you've ever 
interviewed? 

739
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:25,840
You know, weirdly, I think the 
the Dalai Lama was weirdly, you 

740
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,720
know, he because I saw his. 
Power. 

741
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:32,560
He's hugely powerful. 
It's just, it was unbelievable, 

742
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,840
actually. 
I was on a stage with him, 

743
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,680
interviewing him, and there were
thousands of people in the 

744
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:41,440
audience just losing their 
minds. 

745
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:45,520
And then I went into a small 
room afterwards and I was, you 

746
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:49,920
know, asking him about 
relationship with China and the 

747
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:54,000
next Dalai Lama. 
And I found his presence and 

748
00:44:54,000 --> 00:45:00,040
aura just a lot. 
So I think you know you in those

749
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:05,560
moments when you know there's so
much heft and pressure around a 

750
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,760
person, not so much pressure 
around him, but the kind of 

751
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,440
weight of him. 
And then the heft of the 

752
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:16,640
interview. 
I does does kind of feel the 

753
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:20,640
moment can sometimes be 
stressful or intimidating, I 

754
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:22,320
think. 
What did you wear? 

755
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:29,400
I didn't wear black. 
I wore a mustard velvet Dolce 

756
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:33,840
and Gabbana jacket. 
And I think again, it was kind 

757
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,840
of, it really worked with his 
saffron. 

758
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:41,200
I didn't even do it consciously.
I wonder if in my subconscious 

759
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,160
when I went to my cupboard, I 
grabbed something that, you 

760
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,680
know, I was sort of the sea of 
saffron that I was going to see 

761
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,720
in the room. 
Do you keep a journal of what 

762
00:45:50,720 --> 00:45:53,560
you wore for really important 
interviews? 

763
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:59,120
Instagram but we used to I used 
to so with the stylist in 

764
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:03,040
Australia, she used to keep a 
log, a book and she would say, 

765
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,360
you know, this is these have 
been your outfits this last 

766
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,040
month. 
So you know, it was funny. 

767
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:13,440
The times have changed so much. 
She was kind of not about repeat

768
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,280
outfits. 
And I'm now all about repeat 

769
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,400
outfits. 
I'm all about, you know, we 

770
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,400
don't have to wear something 
different all of the time. 

771
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:26,480
I can have a fortnight where I 
pull out that pinstripe jacket 

772
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,920
or that blouse or, you know, 
just how I feel that day. 

773
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:34,280
There are days where I just, 
it's a heavy day or it's a very 

774
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:38,120
intense day and I gravitate 
towards minimalist and black. 

775
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,040
And there are days where I feel 
a bit cheekier. 

776
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:44,720
I've had a great sort of 
interview or day or this, you 

777
00:46:44,720 --> 00:46:48,040
know, the, the, there's sort of 
a spring in my step and I want 

778
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,200
to have a bit of fun. 
So that changes my mood and and 

779
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:55,960
then my outfit. 
Now that your sky so they assist

780
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:59,720
you with a stylist and budgets 
and all of that. 

781
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:03,480
Yeah, so they have a stylist 
actually, I sort of worked with 

782
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,320
less out. 
Yeah, yeah, definitely less out 

783
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,320
there. 
She's yeah, she's wonderful. 

784
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:13,680
And yes, there are budgets and 
you know, it's it's different to

785
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:18,960
the BBCI think Style Sky is a a 
commercial entity and you know, 

786
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:24,920
they take pride in in how talent
looks on air. 

787
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,040
And I do think it's a matter of 
respect as well. 

788
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:32,080
You know, to the audience who 
TuneIn day in day out to watch. 

789
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,640
I think it's important that you 
look the part you've showed 

790
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,000
they've showed up for you, you 
show up for them. 

791
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:42,480
If I said to you, you could 
dress in only two brands, 1 High

792
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:46,760
Street and one designer, which 
two would those currently be? 

793
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:54,280
I, I absolutely love Cos. 
Cos is my staples and you know, 

794
00:47:54,280 --> 00:48:00,680
basics and I gravitate towards 
the brand because I just love 

795
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:04,920
the minimalist and kind of 
simple nature of it. 

796
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:07,320
You were wearing Cos when we 
met. 

797
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,600
Oh, yes, that's right. 
Yes, yes, yes, exactly. 

798
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:14,960
You know, exactly. 
I, I, I sort of, I feel like 

799
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:19,560
it's got it captures a little 
bit of, you know, who I feel I 

800
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:23,320
am. 
And then I am a big sort of 

801
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:26,440
supporter and promoter of any 
Australian designers. 

802
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:30,400
So it's sort of, I always 
gravitate back towards them. 

803
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,760
So I guess, you know, I, I would
say actually someone likes 

804
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:39,280
Scanlan is, is something that I,
I, I would be able to do all of 

805
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:44,520
my jobs as ATV anchor in the 
field, foreign correspondent, a 

806
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:49,280
mom in those outfits. 
What did you get married in? 

807
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:53,200
I got married. 
In a Australian designer called 

808
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:57,600
Stephen Kalil and it was Where 
were you married? 

809
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:00,240
In Sydney, In, Yeah, in Double 
Bay in Sydney. 

810
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:09,960
And I saw a dress by Ellie Saab 
and loved it and showed him and 

811
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,120
he said we'll make our own 
version of that. 

812
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:17,960
And so it was very simple. 
It wasn't quite ivory, but it 

813
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:21,480
was off white and it had a lot 
of lace. 

814
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:28,960
You know, it was backless and it
had lace sleeves and the lace 

815
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:32,520
that was left behind. 
We had lace on the the the 

816
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:37,760
train, the veil and sort of the 
back of the train, but the lace 

817
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,440
that was left behind we used for
the invitations as well. 

818
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,000
So yeah. 
So it had a nice story. 

819
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:50,360
You say you've got a style icon.
I always, always loved Audrey 

820
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:52,640
Hepburn's. 
I know that's sort of, you know,

821
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:57,920
but I just absolutely adored the
simplicity of her style. 

822
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,600
I still do. 
And I think that, you know, she 

823
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:08,560
captures this kind of ability to
look so elegant and yet in that 

824
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,240
sort of elegance make such a 
statement. 

825
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:17,120
And I think that is unique. 
And so, you know, if I was able 

826
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:20,040
to capture that in some way, I 
would, I would love to. 

827
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,680
And you're petite, you know, 
you're, you know, you're, you 

828
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:27,800
have that sort of little gaming 
vibe about you. 

829
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:32,920
And and I always think when you 
choose a style icon, there 

830
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:36,560
should be a relevance to you as 
a person. 

831
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:40,120
I completely agree with you. 
I think that, you know, This is 

832
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,920
why representation in many ways 
is so important. 

833
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:49,120
You know that when people look 
at a screen and or if they're 

834
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:54,040
reading a a story, they should 
be able to see themselves in 

835
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:59,080
that person on some level, 
whether it's their accent or 

836
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:03,600
their skin tone or what they 
represent or their values. 

837
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:09,280
I think I have come to really 
appreciate representation. 

838
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,600
Yes, it's logical. 
Yes, yeah. 

839
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:17,080
If I were to ask you to describe
your style DNA in three words, 

840
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:21,200
or get your husband to describe 
your style DNA in three words, 

841
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:28,040
what 3 words would they be? 
I think I would say minimalist, 

842
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:36,360
oversized and black. 
Do you ever wear vintage? 

843
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,480
Yeah, I do. 
I do yes, I like vintage. 

844
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:44,080
You know, there are a few stores
in in on Portobello Road at the 

845
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:49,120
top that I sometimes slip into 
and find unique pieces. 

846
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,400
So I do I do like, you know, pre
loved. 

847
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:58,480
I like I like vintage. 
I like things that others have 

848
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:02,760
worn and and they have a story 
with that particular item. 

849
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:07,240
Do you have one item in your 
wardrobe that means the most to 

850
00:52:07,240 --> 00:52:09,680
you because of the story that it
tells? 

851
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:19,040
I think that I, you know, I, 
when Kabul fell, it was a sort 

852
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:24,360
of heartbreaking moment for me 
because I felt like everything 

853
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:26,080
that was worked towards, 
especially for the women of 

854
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:28,240
Afghanistan, was gone and 
shattered. 

855
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:32,760
And I reached out to a handful 
of powerful women across the 

856
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:37,760
world, especially the United 
States, for help to evacuate 

857
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:42,760
over 1000 young women and girls 
from the country. 

858
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:46,680
And we evacuated them to 
Albania, to northern Iraq, to 

859
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:51,200
the university, the American 
University of Solomonia in 

860
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:54,120
northern Iraq, to Albania, and 
then to the United States. 

861
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:57,680
And one of those women was Tory 
Burch. 

862
00:52:57,720 --> 00:53:00,800
And she has a women's 
foundation. 

863
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:07,160
And she dug deep and she signed 
a massive check to get these, to

864
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:10,680
help get these young girls out 
of the country. 

865
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:13,960
And she was and women and she 
was engaged from start to to 

866
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:17,200
end. 
And then at the end, you know, 

867
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:22,320
she gifted me this beautiful 
white jacket, which I still wear

868
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,240
on air. 
And so that sort of was quite 

869
00:53:24,240 --> 00:53:30,120
special because it it captured 
kind of the pain of the moment, 

870
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:35,080
but also the sisterhood. 
And, you know, the fact that 

871
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:40,960
these women came into my life 
and sort of ended up, you know, 

872
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:45,800
using their contacts and 
networks to support these women 

873
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:50,320
and girls who were fleeing 
brutality and gave them a chance

874
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:53,320
at A at a different life. 
And so that to me, that moment 

875
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:56,080
sort of sums up all of those 
those feelings. 

876
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,640
Would you say you've had a worst
fashion moment? 

877
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:07,240
You know, I, I think that I will
be traumatized by that kimono 

878
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:09,920
that I, I don't know that I 
wore. 

879
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:14,680
I would say that is probably and
I think you know, colour in your

880
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:18,800
hair and and that kind of thing 
and how you do your hair also is

881
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,200
part of fashion and style, 
obviously. 

882
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:26,600
And I've had I did. 
Forever horny. 

883
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:30,560
Well, there you go, you know, so
we all have sort of moments of 

884
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:33,080
doing and like I said, I 
experimented a lot. 

885
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:37,080
So I, my hair was always a weird
wonderful colour and shade. 

886
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:43,680
And I, I too, went through the 
Jennifer Aniston sort of friends

887
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:47,720
look. 
So I, I I've had some faux pas 

888
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:52,840
and some I look back at my early
20s especially and think, wow, 

889
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:54,840
did my eyebrows need to be so 
thin? 

890
00:54:56,560 --> 00:55:04,040
You're lucky exactly when you're
out on location frequently and I

891
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:08,040
would imagine at times you have 
no notice that you're going. 

892
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:12,760
Do you have a grab bag in your 
hall at home with your flak 

893
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:14,880
jacket and everything already 
packed? 

894
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:19,080
Yeah, absolutely. 
I have a travel bag and it has 

895
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:22,400
everything. 
So I have a spare travel blow 

896
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:24,520
dryer. 
I have a tiny steamer. 

897
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:27,520
I hope that the place I'm going 
to has electricity. 

898
00:55:27,720 --> 00:55:30,400
Sometimes, you know, we're in 
positions where we don't. 

899
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:35,480
But yes. 
And I have my basics, the, as 

900
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:39,800
you say, the, the flak jacket, 
you know, the, the sort of extra

901
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:44,280
toiletries and makeup bag and 
the additional clothing. 

902
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:48,160
So whether that's the T-shirts 
that never leave that bag or 

903
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:52,320
will get washed and, and go back
into that, that bag and, and you

904
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:56,320
know, underwear and things like 
that, that, that sit, sit in 

905
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:59,640
that bag for sure. 
And because, you know, those 

906
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:02,520
things can happen to me at any 
given moment. 

907
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:07,760
I mean, I, I remember when Iran 
launched a strike on, on Israel,

908
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:11,960
they launched missiles over 
actually Israel launched the 

909
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:14,840
strike first. 
And it happened at about 3:00 in

910
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:17,960
the morning. 
And I woke up to a phone call at

911
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:21,840
about four to say you'll be 
deployed to Israel because Iran 

912
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:27,120
will hit back. 
And again, I had a bag at 7:00 

913
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:28,480
in the morning. 
I was heading to the airport. 

914
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:30,840
I didn't really have to think 
about what I was taking. 

915
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:34,000
So your phone is on 24/7? 
Yes. 

916
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:37,760
So what? 
Stay at home, chill out. 

917
00:56:38,240 --> 00:56:43,080
Stay at home, chill out is well,
usually kind of loungewear. 

918
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:50,040
You know, I, I sort of really 
love a hoodie and AT shirt and 

919
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:54,760
if I'm ducking out, I'll wear a 
pair of jeans and and trainers. 

920
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:58,400
So it's really like pulled back 
and and no makeup. 

921
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:03,160
Be very conscious of being 
spotted in the street or spotted

922
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:05,920
in an airport. 
Yes, sometimes. 

923
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:11,120
And you know, I yesterday I was 
having a meeting and it was an 

924
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:15,760
off the record, quite an intense
meeting in Marylebone and a sort

925
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:20,240
of wonderful group of women 
sitting down at the table next 

926
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:22,800
to me. 
Maybe they were in their 80s. 

927
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:25,120
They were having a wonderful 
breakfast together, a group of 

928
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:28,720
friends and I, I was in this 
intense conversation. 

929
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,160
And then one of them leaned over
and said, see you at 9:00. 

930
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:34,640
And it was very sweet. 
So I'm aware that, you know, 

931
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:36,800
people are very respectful 
actually. 

932
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:42,120
And, you know, we'll just make 
lovely comments about the show 

933
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:45,960
or the work or the journalism. 
But I'm aware, yes, when I'm out

934
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:53,280
and about how I present myself. 
Coming to your wardrobe, you've 

935
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:57,640
got a lot of clothes. 
How do you keep it organized? 

936
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:03,080
How often do you rotate it? 
I try and keep it very 

937
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:06,400
organized. 
So when I was moving from Sydney

938
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:11,600
to London, we made sure that we 
sent everything air freight. 

939
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:15,440
Nothing was coming in a 
container to get all of those 

940
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:19,840
clothes, The bulk of the the 
clothes that Leslie had built in

941
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:21,440
Sydney for me. 
And she did. 

942
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:26,200
She built, she always sort of 
felt the quality was the most 

943
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:28,000
important thing. 
When she would get through the 

944
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:31,360
clothing budget quite quickly, 
management would get quite 

945
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:33,480
upset. 
How have you managed to finish 

946
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:36,440
this budget so quickly? 
Because she would ask for more 

947
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:39,960
always. 
And she would say to me, the 

948
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,880
most important thing is quality.
These clothes will last you for 

949
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,120
the rest of your life if you buy
properly. 

950
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:53,040
And so those clothes that I 
bought at age 26 and 27 with 

951
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:56,240
Leslie, I'm 42, I'm still 
wearing on air that's. 

952
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:59,240
So lovely to hear. 
Yeah, it really is. 

953
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:03,600
Now, we've established that you 
get pounds per wear out of your 

954
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:07,600
clothes, and I'm not asking you 
for the price tag, but what is 

955
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:10,800
the most expensive item you've 
ever bought? 

956
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:17,240
US elections last year, we were 
presenting out of the NBC Meet 

957
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:26,320
the Press studio and it was a 
white Dolce Gabbana, you know, 

958
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:31,400
suit and a silk blouse that went
on underneath. 

959
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:34,400
And so that is the most recent. 
Yeah. 

960
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:40,240
And actually, what was sad was 
just as a matter of precaution, 

961
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:45,560
I took a pair of wide leg black 
trousers with me and I needed to

962
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:48,640
wear it because, like all of 
these things, just because we're

963
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:51,600
women, you end up getting your 
period on the day that you. 

964
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:54,720
So I couldn't wear my my white 
trousers. 

965
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:58,600
But because I was also sitting 
in that chair for 14 hours. 

966
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:02,040
Oh, my goodness. 
From 5:00 in the afternoon right

967
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:06,200
through to 7:00 the next 
morning, we did the whole night 

968
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:08,720
of just seated and occasionally 
getting up. 

969
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:11,560
Yes, exactly. 
Exactly. 

970
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:12,400
Yeah. 
Well. 

971
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:15,360
What's your approach to 
sustainable fashion? 

972
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:20,800
I love sustainable fashion. 
I'm all about, you know, re 

973
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:26,280
wearing, reusing, passing down, 
handing things to other people, 

974
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:34,560
you know, because I realized 
actually there was a story that 

975
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:41,360
I did in Bangladesh about maybe 
13 or 14 years ago when the Rana

976
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:45,560
Plaza collapsed and 2000 people 
were crushed to death and they 

977
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:52,520
were all working in a sweatshop 
tailoring international chain 

978
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:57,360
stores and High Street fashion. 
And I saw the impact. 

979
01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:02,040
I went there three or four weeks
after, and I went into another 

980
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:07,160
factory where I met a young girl
whose hand had been amputated 

981
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:09,480
from that. 
But she needed to support her 

982
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:11,920
family. 
And so she was back at work in 

983
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:17,800
another quite, you know, fragile
factory where we were worried 

984
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:21,200
about even being inside there, 
let alone, you know, these 

985
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:24,880
machines operating out of their 
generators on the top floor 

986
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:28,520
rather than the bottom floor in 
these buildings that just should

987
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:31,840
never have been built and should
never have anyone inside them. 

988
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:36,200
And so that made me really 
conscious of, you know, 

989
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:42,520
sustainable fashion, how to 
tackle big brands that use these

990
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:45,800
spaces and many of them children
in these sweatshops. 

991
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:48,720
And I think a lot has changed 
from those incidents, but a lot 

992
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:51,880
of those, you know, factories 
still remain. 

993
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:55,680
So I think it's, it's really 
important that we think about 

994
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:59,680
when something is 6 lbs or 10 
lbs or 20 lbs, why is it so 

995
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:04,160
cheap when it has been made and 
come from somewhere else, you 

996
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:07,200
know, made in Bangladesh or 
somewhere else. 

997
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:11,360
We have to question why an item 
is is that? 

998
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:15,040
Cheap because someone is not 
being paid a living wage. 

999
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:16,400
Fact. 
Exactly. 

1000
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:18,920
I wanted to ask you about 
handbags. 

1001
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:20,760
Where are you at on that? 
When? 

1002
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:24,680
What's the most expensive? 
Again, I'm not asking the price 

1003
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:30,400
tag bag that you've ever bought.
I went through a phase where I 

1004
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:35,400
was buying expensive handbags 
and I'm just trying to think now

1005
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:37,560
because I don't really use them 
anymore. 

1006
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:42,040
And you know, I've sort of 
either given away or sold some 

1007
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:47,160
of them and bought mid range 
handbags that are more practical

1008
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:50,400
now. 
But I used to buy all the big 

1009
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:55,720
brands and, you know, spend 
money on, on these bags. 

1010
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:58,840
And I, I, I think about it now 
and it kind of almost makes me 

1011
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:03,560
cringe to think that I would 
spend thousands on a handbag And

1012
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:07,640
it's not something I would, I 
don't judge anyone who does. 

1013
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:11,720
I think that, you know, fashion 
is so subjective and you go 

1014
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:15,120
through these phases, you go 
through different points in your

1015
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:18,360
life and it gives you different 
amounts of joy. 

1016
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:21,400
But I don't get that anymore 
from handbags. 

1017
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:24,440
I like to carry a beautiful bag,
but I don't necessarily think 

1018
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:28,080
you need to spend a lot of 
money, you know, and I buy pre 

1019
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:30,680
loved bags as well, a lot of pre
loved bags now. 

1020
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:32,400
What platform do you buy them 
from? 

1021
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:35,840
I'm hardly ever worn it. 
I love, I think they always 

1022
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:39,760
have, you know, unique things 
that pop up, especially around 

1023
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:43,760
bags and, you know, and 
Buggiester and some of these 

1024
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:48,360
brands that, that, you know, but
sometimes it might be I know 

1025
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:53,120
someone who's selling a bag and 
they'll and I love that bag or 

1026
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:57,720
they'll love it and, you know, 
we'll sort of exchange or, you 

1027
01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:00,200
know, go to a Selfridges and, 
and do that. 

1028
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:05,920
But I, yeah, I, I, I don't judge
anyone for the decisions they 

1029
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:11,040
make around any fashion choices 
because I think it's important 

1030
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:13,560
for us to feel good about 
ourselves and. 

1031
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:16,920
Totally. 
Let's spin on some quick fire 

1032
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:19,200
questions. 
What fashion advice would you 

1033
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:22,120
give your 20 year old self? 
Don't try so hard. 

1034
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:27,400
Which fashion trend or era would
you most like to see make a 

1035
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:30,360
comeback? 
I think definitely the 90s. 

1036
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:34,320
I feel like I just missed that 
because I was quite young. 

1037
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:38,640
But I again, my older sister 
shaped so much of what I wore 

1038
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:42,360
and she was a real 90s teenager 
and young woman. 

1039
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:50,200
And I sort of I, I, I quite like
the make up style, the hair and 

1040
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:54,280
the clothing of the 90s. 
Fashion or beauty trend that you

1041
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:58,840
would consign to room one O 1. 
I think fashion trends in 

1042
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:02,680
general, I don't think people 
should necessarily chase what 

1043
01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:07,640
the latest trend is. 
I think that, you know, you can 

1044
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:12,120
take something from a trend and 
adopt it into your style, but I 

1045
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:17,000
don't think you need to 
necessarily chase a particular 

1046
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:21,840
moment because it it's fleeting 
and you know, it's for that 

1047
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:25,240
moment. 
Talk about the moment your last 

1048
01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:30,360
impulse buy. 
I, I am at airports a lot. 

1049
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:33,840
I spend a lot of my time at 
airports and just in the last 

1050
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:39,920
few days I was on my way to 
Davos and I bought some eyeliner

1051
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:43,560
from Boots. 
So I'm always, you know, it's, 

1052
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:47,560
it's sort of obligatory to go 
into boots on the way to an 

1053
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:50,080
aircraft for us, even if I'm 
there every week. 

1054
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:54,200
So that's that's the last big. 
Your views on tattoos. 

1055
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:58,920
For a long time I wanted to get 
them and get one, get something,

1056
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:02,600
but I think if you don't know 
what you're getting or why 

1057
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:05,120
you're getting it, maybe steer 
clear until you know. 

1058
01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:07,760
Grooming or well-being 
treatment? 

1059
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:11,640
You couldn't give up. 
I think right now I'm going 

1060
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:17,280
through a microneedling period 
and I'm quite enjoying what red 

1061
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:19,400
light therapy and microneedling 
is doing to my. 

1062
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:21,640
Skin looks amazing. 
I'll take it. 

1063
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:23,640
I'll take. 
It high maintenance or low 

1064
01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:26,600
maintenance? 
High maintenance in the right 

1065
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:31,240
moments. 
High end or High Street quality 

1066
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:37,480
Crocs. 
Cute or puke puke cashmere. 

1067
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:41,280
Unless it's for a six year old. 
Cashmere or cotton? 

1068
01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:45,280
Cotton Sports Lux or 
Rock'n'roll? 

1069
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:50,040
Rock'n'roll. 
Trophy or Tracy? 

1070
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:56,200
Tracy Trend or style colour on 
monochrome? 

1071
01:06:56,400 --> 01:07:02,840
Monochrome pattern or. 
Plain pattern order or editor, 

1072
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:09,320
editor, charity shop or retail? 
Charity shop? 

1073
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:14,200
Shapewear or lingerie? 
Lingerie bikini or one piece 

1074
01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:17,320
bikini? 
And finally, traditional last 

1075
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:20,360
question at the end of the day, 
what do you or don't you wear in

1076
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:25,840
bed? 
Sometimes I don't, but it 

1077
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:27,160
depends. 
I can. 

1078
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:31,720
I can go anywhere between 
nothing to a pyjama set. 

1079
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:35,320
If I'm I was in Davos and I was,
I had to wear a pyjama set 

1080
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:38,160
because we're in a chalet with 
the rest of our colleagues or a 

1081
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:39,880
T-shirt. 
Wonderful. 

1082
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:44,720
Yeah, Elda, thank you so much. 
What a wonderful, wonderful 

1083
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:47,400
insight into your world. 
I really appreciate it. 

1084
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:49,760
Thank you so much, Amanda. 
I really, really enjoyed that.