1 00:00:06,700 --> 00:00:09,800 So today I'm going on a sartorial Journey with beauty 2 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:12,900 journalist broadcaster, entrepreneur and diversity, 3 00:00:12,900 --> 00:00:18,100 Advocate doctor at a jewel at a is also a regular contributor on 4 00:00:18,100 --> 00:00:21,700 itv's this morning and her incredible energy and positivity 5 00:00:21,700 --> 00:00:24,700 is simply magnetic. I was introduced to at a by 6 00:00:24,700 --> 00:00:27,600 Trinny Woodall who believed that we would have a lot to discuss 7 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:29,400 on all things fashion and Beauty. 8 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:33,900 I'm I'm certain she was right so at a welcome. 9 00:00:34,500 --> 00:00:38,800 I want to start with what was your earlier, sartorial memory. 10 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:41,300 When did you first realize the impact of clothes? 11 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,900 Oh my goodness. I first of all, I'm so happy to 12 00:00:44,900 --> 00:00:48,000 be here. I'm excited me too, so we'll get 13 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:53,900 that. I grew up so MGM musicals, from 14 00:00:53,900 --> 00:00:57,500 the 1950s Gone With the Wind was just, you know, I'd go. 15 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:02,200 I'm sick mama and I stay home. It's gonna be so good for you 16 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:04,300 can do it on Catch-Up TV or factories. 17 00:01:04,300 --> 00:01:07,200 Like I dunno, I take sticky so I can watch movies and all these 18 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:10,000 beautiful clothes, and the energy, and the makeup, and the 19 00:01:10,008 --> 00:01:12,100 color. And I grew up loving for the 20 00:01:12,100 --> 00:01:14,700 right Nike 20 films. I was a child. 21 00:01:14,700 --> 00:01:16,800 You love Marlena Dietrich stat like six. 22 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:21,600 I just it was just magical and I just always found it. 23 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:27,500 Transformative powerful playful. It's all about characters and 24 00:01:27,500 --> 00:01:30,100 making, you know, being an expression of our own 25 00:01:30,100 --> 00:01:31,900 imagination. I always got that and I was 26 00:01:31,900 --> 00:01:34,600 obsessed with it. But do you remember the moment 27 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:38,500 that you first put on an item of clothing or an outfit? 28 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:42,200 That was just like, I am transformed. 29 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:44,500 This is I am. I'm at it. 30 00:01:45,500 --> 00:01:49,900 Well, I remember well, my mum in the was a, was an 80s rich 31 00:01:49,900 --> 00:01:50,600 bitch. Okay. 32 00:01:51,700 --> 00:01:55,300 She was like she was a diplomat. She agree with that. 33 00:01:55,300 --> 00:01:59,800 Yes, definitely people used to mistake her for die. 34 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,900 Carol from Timothy 5 minute. She's like, no, I'm Daphne about 35 00:02:03,900 --> 00:02:07,500 Diane, so I grew up with very powerful. 36 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:09,199 You know, she's always shopping in Harrods. 37 00:02:09,500 --> 00:02:11,800 It was, you know, her fashion sense is amazing. 38 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,700 She should have been a stylist for Italian Vogue if she knew 39 00:02:14,700 --> 00:02:17,500 that was a job. So that was always in my Orbit. 40 00:02:17,500 --> 00:02:21,000 But the first time I felt like, wow, I remember ripping up some 41 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:25,100 sheets and making a dress and I put Hoops around it, I just felt 42 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,300 I wanted to be like if you didn't lie and Gone With the 43 00:02:27,300 --> 00:02:29,800 Wind, I wanted something big and poufy and I just made something 44 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:33,200 for Or myself, and I put hangers all around the bottom and I just 45 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,800 was like, yes I think it was a hot mess Amanda. 46 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:40,500 But like me to shame because my very first item that I made was 47 00:02:40,500 --> 00:02:42,800 out of a sheet and my mother started to get sick of me. 48 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:46,000 Dripping up sheets, I must admit but and then tie dyeing it. 49 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,500 Wow. So yeah but yes, exactly the 50 00:02:48,500 --> 00:02:52,000 sheet, Queens sheet queen bed, sheets and having our mother few 51 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,200 bit cross. Yeah absolutely. 52 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:58,700 And I think as human beings with particularly in the world of 53 00:02:58,700 --> 00:03:02,100 fashion and beauty. We're a little guilty of sizing 54 00:03:02,100 --> 00:03:05,500 people up when we first meet them, especially by what they're 55 00:03:05,500 --> 00:03:08,500 wearing, is this something you're conscious of. 56 00:03:11,300 --> 00:03:12,400 It's hot. You know? 57 00:03:12,500 --> 00:03:15,700 I'm trying to be less judgy. But I did meet someone who had 58 00:03:15,700 --> 00:03:18,500 amazing curls, I thought I have respect for you. 59 00:03:19,900 --> 00:03:26,500 You know, she's like yeah, they were just beautiful. 60 00:03:26,500 --> 00:03:29,300 I just made you think God, you're in control of yourself, 61 00:03:29,300 --> 00:03:31,800 you love yourself. You have a program. 62 00:03:31,900 --> 00:03:34,800 You know what you're doing? There's so much self love. 63 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,600 So I did think all these positive things towards her, but 64 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:41,400 in terms of how people present Isn't themselves. 65 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:45,300 I just think God there's so much going on behind the scenes so 66 00:03:45,300 --> 00:03:47,800 I'm like I'm always attracted to beautiful. 67 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:49,200 You know, we work. Are you back on duty? 68 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:50,700 I love beautiful. Is it the skin? 69 00:03:50,700 --> 00:03:52,800 Then the, the skin and the hair I think. 70 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:57,100 If you look at Ya makeup skin hair clothes, everything the 71 00:03:57,100 --> 00:03:58,800 whole presentation. I met someone on the tube 72 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,400 yesterday who was dressed and sort of 1930s. 73 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:03,400 Peaky, blinders and he said, oh, I love you. 74 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:08,000 Like I love you more like. So I do, I like beautiful things 75 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,700 and beautiful people and beautiful clothes I It was not 76 00:04:10,700 --> 00:04:13,300 enough of people saying God, you look great. 77 00:04:13,300 --> 00:04:16,600 Yeah, it's additive and to see someone so that their face 78 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:19,800 transforms, when you say, I don't care where they are, who 79 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:23,500 they are, when you flatter someone about how they're 80 00:04:23,500 --> 00:04:26,800 looking, it's a sort of magical moment. 81 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:30,000 I completely agree, cuz you know, it's about kindness, you 82 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,300 know, I grew up in the devil's web product are aware. 83 00:04:32,300 --> 00:04:35,400 It's sort of to cut you down and put you into a camp and I think 84 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:37,500 now it's about lifting people up. 85 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:41,800 I totally agree. So So when it comes to you 86 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:46,000 dressing, do you dress for yourself your husband other 87 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:50,300 women or other men even or your audience? 88 00:04:50,700 --> 00:04:55,400 I tell you it's I've had a real transformation up until two 89 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:57,800 years ago. It will shock you that I never 90 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:01,700 will color. I cannot believe it. 91 00:05:01,700 --> 00:05:05,300 It's so interesting. My daughter I've got 12 I tell 92 00:05:05,300 --> 00:05:07,200 you because I really wanted to fit in. 93 00:05:07,300 --> 00:05:10,200 I knew, you know, I started in this industry in 2001. 94 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:12,400 It was a very different landscape. 95 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:17,100 Very I remember, being told in an HR meeting, you know, you're 96 00:05:17,100 --> 00:05:19,700 very well educated, does that make you feel more white? 97 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:22,600 And that was someone trying to pay me a compliment. 98 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:23,800 So it was a very different landscape. 99 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:26,800 So I was always in black, or white, or gray. 100 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,000 I wanted to be Chic. I straightened my hair. 101 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:33,100 I wore, you know, as shit. Chanel bags up to the eyeballs. 102 00:05:33,100 --> 00:05:35,500 It was like a uniform. It was protection and my 103 00:05:35,500 --> 00:05:38,100 daughter, you one of my daughter said, Mommy, you're just an old 104 00:05:38,100 --> 00:05:55,100 grey lady and I've liked Oh, and I really thought if this is 105 00:05:55,108 --> 00:05:58,600 the end of days, I don't need to dress for other people's 106 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:00,900 perception of me. Like, this is what power looks 107 00:06:00,900 --> 00:06:03,200 like. In my opinion, my perception and 108 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:06,100 I'm going to dress for myself. What pleases me what's joyful, 109 00:06:06,500 --> 00:06:09,400 what to express myself? And so during the pandemic I 110 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:13,200 really It with color exploded, being myself, and I turned the 111 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:15,300 volume up. And then my daughter said to me 112 00:06:15,300 --> 00:06:17,900 the same daughter, like, 45 years later. 113 00:06:17,900 --> 00:06:20,300 She said, mommy, you see, you don't have to hide anymore. 114 00:06:21,100 --> 00:06:23,700 Oh my God. She's so white out of the mouths 115 00:06:23,700 --> 00:06:28,200 of bouts of the mouths of babes. So I would say, I 1000% dress 116 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:32,400 for myself, but before I was dressed to fit in to what people 117 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:35,900 thought was Chic or powerful or what was acceptable for our 118 00:06:35,900 --> 00:06:38,200 industry. So a big shift and does your 119 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:40,100 husband have an opinion, you know? 120 00:06:40,300 --> 00:06:41,500 What? My husband is, lovely. 121 00:06:41,500 --> 00:06:43,900 You've just like, do you your fabulous? 122 00:06:43,900 --> 00:06:46,500 You know, we've been together since we're 90 units. 123 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,800 We literally children. So, we've seen every dodgy 124 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:52,500 haircut. Everything, every reincarnation 125 00:06:52,700 --> 00:06:53,900 we've seen it all through each other. 126 00:06:53,900 --> 00:06:56,900 So he loves me for me. He just wants me to go hard and 127 00:06:56,900 --> 00:06:59,400 go big, so he's like Pump It Up bigger. 128 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:02,900 Bigger Tiaras bigger, go for it. Love that because you're of 129 00:07:02,900 --> 00:07:05,900 Nigerian and West Indian. Yes, descent. 130 00:07:05,900 --> 00:07:08,100 Yeah. And and so that's a culture that 131 00:07:08,100 --> 00:07:12,400 in my opinion is known Choose. I should say known for his love 132 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:15,800 of color. Yeah, fabulous ability to wear 133 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:20,100 color so well because your skin tones is amazing with color. 134 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:24,900 Do you refer to your cultural heritage at all with your 135 00:07:24,900 --> 00:07:28,500 clothing decisions? Or I mean, clearly not today. 136 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:34,700 But but do you ever dress in a traditional you know what, it's 137 00:07:34,700 --> 00:07:38,200 really interesting because growing up, anyone who you know, 138 00:07:38,300 --> 00:07:41,600 feels other words in this office Society will have that moment of 139 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,800 like, oh my God, it's Sunday. My mom is trying to make me be 140 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,300 in the traditional out there and it was like, you know, I rolling 141 00:07:47,300 --> 00:07:49,900 in like oh for God's sake and kind of embarrassed. 142 00:07:49,900 --> 00:07:52,600 I know a lot of my stuff at Asian friends who felt the same 143 00:07:52,900 --> 00:07:56,000 and only now I'm like, God leading into those shapes, 144 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,300 aren't cutting my bonds, you're cold. 145 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:04,800 Exactly and some of those those headdress just love, it's 146 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,200 beautiful. So only now I think post 147 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:08,900 pandemic purse with black lives matters. 148 00:08:08,900 --> 00:08:11,500 I'm really seeing the Art and beauty. 149 00:08:11,700 --> 00:08:13,900 And you know, these are clothes, cut, 14. 150 00:08:13,900 --> 00:08:16,400 I've got a juicy big West African volunteer at. 151 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:20,100 These shapes are cut for me. And so I'm just leaning into, 152 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:22,600 you know, and fabrics and textures and colors. 153 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:25,900 So that's definitely something. I'm reconnecting to and feeling 154 00:08:25,900 --> 00:08:29,400 pride in my 40s versus that little girl who was like, oh, 155 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,100 that's so embarrassing. Yeah, know how wonderful and the 156 00:08:32,100 --> 00:08:34,299 prince. Oh, my God, such beautiful 157 00:08:34,299 --> 00:08:36,900 prints. Yeah, of color than designers. 158 00:08:36,900 --> 00:08:40,100 And I mean, it's just the Nigerian fashion. 159 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,299 Things exploding as well. I was just my next question was 160 00:08:43,299 --> 00:08:46,700 going to be do wear any Nigerian designers because there are some 161 00:08:46,700 --> 00:08:49,400 brilliant ones. Yeah, well I would like to start 162 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:53,800 doing more but I mean I just think is that access to that 163 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:57,800 quite difficult in the UK. There's some amazing British 98 164 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:00,300 British Nigerian designers but I would really love to go to 165 00:09:00,300 --> 00:09:02,800 Nigeria when I'm watching my beauty range, a just like 166 00:09:03,100 --> 00:09:07,200 immerse myself in explode. Plus surely it would be 167 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,100 fantastically inspirational with ended four colors. 168 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:12,500 Shades. Oh definitely. 169 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:15,500 You know what? One of my first headdresses was 170 00:09:15,500 --> 00:09:19,500 from a Nigerian designer and during the pandemic and it was 171 00:09:19,500 --> 00:09:24,200 just so the color, the shape, it was just I just felt like I was 172 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,600 anointing crowning myself and reclaiming who I what I read 173 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:32,300 that I am, the love that. I also read that during the 174 00:09:32,300 --> 00:09:36,200 pandemic that you're Charlotte. Tilbury red lipstick. 175 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:39,400 Yes, worn with your PJs you helped you get through. 176 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:42,800 I just I can see it. I love that. 177 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:49,700 It's almost like a bad dream or like a terrible Netflix movie 178 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:53,000 when we had that one hour of yard time, where we would love 179 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,900 to leave the house and go for a walk and it was like some days 180 00:09:55,900 --> 00:09:57,200 you just didn't want to get out of bed. 181 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:58,700 It was so depressing. It was scary. 182 00:09:58,900 --> 00:10:01,000 And that lipstick was such a chance of. 183 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:04,200 It's such a like let's go, let's do this and I put on that red 184 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:05,500 lipstick. I get up. 185 00:10:05,500 --> 00:10:08,300 I do an Instagram live because before the pandemic I never 186 00:10:08,300 --> 00:10:10,500 really did lives. I was but you just And to 187 00:10:10,500 --> 00:10:14,500 connect it was can I was seeking desperately for connection and 188 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,800 you know, cuz I'm a child, I, you know, I was born in the 70s 189 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:21,500 and I have one foot in that area, one foot in the modern 190 00:10:21,500 --> 00:10:23,200 world. And so, I we've had that voice 191 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:24,700 of like, don't make a show of yourself. 192 00:10:25,100 --> 00:10:27,300 It's like, you know, yeah have a teenager. 193 00:10:27,300 --> 00:10:29,900 I had about ten photos of myself because you have to develop them 194 00:10:29,900 --> 00:10:30,600 and boots. Oh yeah. 195 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:34,000 So that's is us a million selfies a day. 196 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,100 So I always had that voice in my head and then the pandemic, 197 00:10:37,100 --> 00:10:39,300 everything, just let everything go and was myself. 198 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:42,300 How Wonderful. That that actually you've got 199 00:10:42,300 --> 00:10:47,200 the positives out of it. So you move to the country. 200 00:10:47,300 --> 00:10:51,700 Yes, do you dress differently in the Cotswolds to what you do in 201 00:10:51,700 --> 00:10:55,500 London? Or are you just a fabulous 202 00:10:55,500 --> 00:10:57,900 attic? Your wonderful headpieces? 203 00:10:57,900 --> 00:11:01,100 Well, I mean, I am mommy on the school run and sometimes, you 204 00:11:01,108 --> 00:11:04,600 know, I want two spools, pink smokey eyes and I'll do that my 205 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:06,400 children. My children are like, Mom, 206 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:08,900 please. But I just, yeah, I'm 207 00:11:08,900 --> 00:11:12,100 comfortable. I myself I do color and I think 208 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:16,900 being yourself is the most Revolutionary thing you can do 209 00:11:16,900 --> 00:11:19,400 because you show other people and it inspires them to be 210 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:21,300 themselves. It's the most liberating thing. 211 00:11:21,300 --> 00:11:23,100 Yes. Isn't it big time? 212 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:27,700 I know you're a very mindful person where I believe you are. 213 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,200 Do you consider fashion to be a type of self-care? 214 00:11:31,500 --> 00:11:35,100 Oh, definitely. I just I have never understood 215 00:11:35,100 --> 00:11:40,500 people who look down or are really think that fashion and 216 00:11:40,500 --> 00:11:44,200 beauty is superficial. It is all about luxury and 217 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:47,000 character. And you know, the ritual of 218 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,100 putting clothes on how you put clothes on. 219 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:54,900 It is so might like there is no culture in any period of History 220 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:59,600 who have not put significance on how you dress and how you Adorn 221 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:02,300 yourself with makeup. It is so part of your culture. 222 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:04,900 And so part of who you are, I don't understand people who 223 00:12:04,900 --> 00:12:08,300 don't get that because it is what's between your naked self 224 00:12:08,300 --> 00:12:09,800 and the rest of the world, isn't it? 225 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:12,600 Is it truly, and you expressing ourselves and Thurman in your 226 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:14,300 choices and your lack of what you are? 227 00:12:14,300 --> 00:12:17,300 You're making Months. It's very interesting and lack 228 00:12:17,300 --> 00:12:20,700 of make up for that matter. Yeah, there's your perception of 229 00:12:20,700 --> 00:12:22,700 your body, effective choice of what you wear. 230 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:30,100 It probably used to when I cared more but I don't anymore for me, 231 00:12:30,100 --> 00:12:33,800 it's about celebration being comfortable. 232 00:12:34,100 --> 00:12:38,800 Just you know, I'm so grateful. I have a cousin of mine died a 233 00:12:38,808 --> 00:12:42,700 couple of years ago from breast cancer and she was a model and 234 00:12:42,700 --> 00:12:44,900 she know she was a person. I just looked up to you the most 235 00:12:44,900 --> 00:12:49,000 and And she was just so fabulous and so wonderful. 236 00:12:49,100 --> 00:12:51,000 And it's such a privilege to get older. 237 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,200 This is what I'm realizing it's a privilege. 238 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:54,900 He isn't it? It's, you know, it's not 239 00:12:54,900 --> 00:12:57,200 everyone gets their. And so just To Love Yourself, 240 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:59,400 except yourself celebrate your body. 241 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:02,900 So dressing is now a celebration not rather than a hiding so that 242 00:13:02,900 --> 00:13:07,400 the offense, oh, I love that. So but on those days when you, 243 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:11,000 we will have them, we're not feeling are sparkling best for 244 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:16,000 whatever reason, what piece will always lift you up or I Is that 245 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,700 makeup for me? It's probably make up my also 246 00:13:18,700 --> 00:13:22,300 color something colorful for like, you know, throw on a hot 247 00:13:22,300 --> 00:13:26,200 pink dress or on, you know, a coral outfit. 248 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:29,100 And then put on some makeup that will always make me feel better. 249 00:13:29,500 --> 00:13:31,500 And when you need to feel empowered, what do you reach 250 00:13:31,500 --> 00:13:35,200 for, probably, I'm loving my crowns now. 251 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:37,300 So like, if you're actually, I've got, I've got a little bit, 252 00:13:37,300 --> 00:13:53,400 the first Vibes going on God. And that just gives you your. 253 00:13:53,500 --> 00:13:54,400 Yeah. And you know what? 254 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:56,500 And if you don't have any of that, you're also enough. 255 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:58,300 That's the trick. Yes. 256 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:00,300 Yes, and knowing that. Yeah. 257 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:03,200 Who would you consider to be your style icon? 258 00:14:03,700 --> 00:14:08,500 Oh my God, so many people, I love Georgian fashion. 259 00:14:08,500 --> 00:14:11,700 Like I love history, I studied history at University and I 260 00:14:11,708 --> 00:14:14,000 loved Georgian culture and fashion. 261 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,800 I loved that job. The position between luxury and 262 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:19,500 also quite dark. It was like, it was built on 263 00:14:19,500 --> 00:14:22,000 like, you know, sugar and slavery versus. 264 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,400 It's just so and that I think that's human nature. 265 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:25,800 Yeah. It's and I think it's really 266 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:30,200 interesting, like, you know, but I do love that the textiles and 267 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:32,600 tea and but style icon. I love it. 268 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:34,900 I love Elizabeth the first, you know, I'm really interested in 269 00:14:34,908 --> 00:14:36,600 power. That's what people don't get 270 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:38,500 about me. I love you really are, aren't 271 00:14:38,500 --> 00:14:41,000 you for me? It's all about power and I find 272 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:43,200 that really interesting, but it's soft power. 273 00:14:43,300 --> 00:14:48,600 Yeah. If you're unsure of the, the 274 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,000 dress code, would you have a go-to look? 275 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,400 Do you have something that sort of tucked away that will always 276 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:57,900 make you feel strong? You know, my mom is probably, 277 00:14:58,000 --> 00:14:59,400 you know what? I think my mom is one of my 278 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:02,600 style icons and she taught me so many lessons about power and 279 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:05,600 dressing and she went to event. Exactly, didn't know what the 280 00:15:05,608 --> 00:15:08,300 dress code was. So she put on some jeans and, 281 00:15:08,300 --> 00:15:10,700 like, 31 of fur coat, it was the 80s, don't judge her. 282 00:15:10,900 --> 00:15:14,700 And I never judge a, then put some polls on. 283 00:15:14,700 --> 00:15:16,000 I was going. ASA jewelry. 284 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:19,000 Has you put some pants on? Sit at a, whatever the dress 285 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,900 code, you are the center. And I was like, and that is kind 286 00:15:22,900 --> 00:15:25,600 of my go-to. If like, you know what, people 287 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:28,500 got a couple people be feeling bad that they didn't have jeans 288 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:31,400 and some pearls, you know, that that so she, that was my 289 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:33,900 mindset. That's inspirational, your that 290 00:15:33,900 --> 00:15:35,800 you're the center and that was a lesson. 291 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:37,500 She taught me so whatever's happening. 292 00:15:37,500 --> 00:15:42,500 It's all about you is it a jerk consideration of how you dress? 293 00:15:43,100 --> 00:15:45,700 I don't think so. You know, my mom's in her 70's 294 00:15:45,700 --> 00:15:48,200 and she's fabulous and she wears anything she wants and oh 295 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:51,400 amazing pulls it off and it's just it's confidence. 296 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:54,100 You know what's sexy? Confidence is sexy and Powerful. 297 00:15:54,500 --> 00:15:58,200 If you just feel good in yourself that your radiates out 298 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:01,400 and so you can wear anything be anything, the any age, and 299 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:04,800 that's what's important. You know, you could have, I 300 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:08,200 wasted my teens and twenties when I was just, you know, one 301 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:10,500 of the hottest I've ever been in my life. 302 00:16:10,900 --> 00:16:13,200 Oh, use it is just wasted on the young. 303 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:16,400 Yes, indeed. And I was like, oh my What, you 304 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:17,800 know, I'd be dots from the podium. 305 00:16:18,100 --> 00:16:19,100 Thank you. Oh my God. 306 00:16:19,300 --> 00:16:22,000 You know I wish I was like this size or whatever and I was just 307 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:23,700 looked amazing. I'm sure did love, you know just 308 00:16:23,700 --> 00:16:25,500 loved ones. I know I know. 309 00:16:26,700 --> 00:16:29,000 Do you have one item of clothing? 310 00:16:29,100 --> 00:16:31,500 That means the most to you. That's it. 311 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:35,800 Just might be a Sentimental. I do love shoes. 312 00:16:38,300 --> 00:16:40,800 Okay. How many pairs do you own? 313 00:16:41,300 --> 00:16:44,200 I don't think it's a lot more, like, 20. 314 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,100 Well, that's Not a lot. I don't think I've heard some of 315 00:16:47,100 --> 00:16:48,400 my guests. Yeah, trust me. 316 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:51,800 That's not a lot but quality I've, you know, invest in 317 00:16:51,808 --> 00:16:53,800 quality. I love bags. 318 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:59,000 I love jewelry clothes. I love a good jacket. 319 00:16:59,100 --> 00:17:02,500 I think style. Over fact, you know things that 320 00:17:02,500 --> 00:17:04,599 Loft things which are fearfulness. 321 00:17:04,700 --> 00:17:08,300 I really believe in that. But but is there one specific 322 00:17:08,300 --> 00:17:12,000 piece that you think I will that my wedding day? 323 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:15,000 Or oh, I've got some Chanel humph. 324 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:18,000 So I think I've just like, I bought them when I was pregnant 325 00:17:18,300 --> 00:17:20,800 and I said to myself, this might be the last nice thing. 326 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:27,599 I've been five for a while, that's just amazing and they 327 00:17:27,599 --> 00:17:29,900 still fit, and they feel fit their lovely. 328 00:17:29,900 --> 00:17:35,000 I love those, I love, you know, my wedding dress like the vine 329 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:39,000 that like, wow, and that's really was pink, Duchess satin 330 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:42,600 and I went for this kind of thing like yeah like a soft pink 331 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,500 pearl, I love that. I was very Proud. 332 00:17:45,500 --> 00:17:48,600 You know, that that was a breakthrough for me because I 333 00:17:48,608 --> 00:17:50,500 couldn't physically fit into anything and I was like, you 334 00:17:50,500 --> 00:17:53,000 know what? The universe bends to me. 335 00:17:53,100 --> 00:17:56,000 So I hired a dressmaker and I designed my fantasy dress and I 336 00:17:56,008 --> 00:17:59,600 made, you are unbelievably positive, I love it. 337 00:18:00,300 --> 00:18:03,400 You're now doing a lot of television and therefore, 338 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:06,700 probably need a lot more clothes for your appearances. 339 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:10,000 Do you use a stylus? I love to dress myself. 340 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:13,200 I do have a stylist, a nice lady, who's amazing. 341 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:16,200 She's a friend of tree leaves. And you ever let her take you 342 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:17,700 out of your comfort zone. Yes. 343 00:18:17,700 --> 00:18:21,700 I mean she picked this dress. I when I got here, but I love 344 00:18:21,700 --> 00:18:24,200 it. And it's so interesting to see 345 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:28,400 how other people see you through someone else's eyes and what 346 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:29,100 they. Yeah. 347 00:18:29,100 --> 00:18:33,200 So she's pushed the envelope for me in terms of, you know, there 348 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:34,700 is you just give yourself permission. 349 00:18:34,900 --> 00:18:37,200 Yeah, yeah. Fantastic. 350 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:41,900 Do you have a worst fashion moment? 351 00:18:41,900 --> 00:18:46,200 Federal say that in such a way that you don't want to talk 352 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:49,500 about invite will move right on several. 353 00:18:49,500 --> 00:18:52,400 I mean my God I'm just so lucky I didn't grow up in the social 354 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:54,700 media age that those more photographic evidence. 355 00:18:55,700 --> 00:19:05,600 There's some Whoppers there was a hot-pink crop top with a 356 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:11,300 fluffy 3D bear between my boobs. Micro-mini by high. 357 00:19:11,300 --> 00:19:13,900 And then I went to Harrods up where I had the best day ever. 358 00:19:14,700 --> 00:19:33,000 I got me into a lot of clubs and buying the same thing for like, 359 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,800 19 pounds and thinking I was very clever and I just had a 360 00:19:35,808 --> 00:19:38,800 real teddy bear, rucksack, and I just amazing. 361 00:19:39,100 --> 00:19:44,600 It was kind of iconic in how for the what with what's going on, 362 00:19:45,700 --> 00:19:48,700 but I thought that was fun. So when you're getting dressed 363 00:19:48,700 --> 00:19:53,300 in the morning, do start with one particular item in mind that 364 00:19:53,300 --> 00:19:55,700 you really want to wear and then build around it. 365 00:19:55,700 --> 00:20:00,400 Are you, are you a planner? I am a planner, and I also went 366 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,100 to a school, which didn't have a uniformed? 367 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:06,100 Whoa. Yes, Rich was the like, yeah, 368 00:20:06,100 --> 00:20:08,100 you know, I went to school in Knightsbridge of golf Corner 369 00:20:08,100 --> 00:20:10,700 Knightsbridge And they didn't have a uniform which would so 370 00:20:10,700 --> 00:20:13,200 dangerous. I think it's really tough on 371 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:16,100 particularly teenage girls because it's so much pressure. 372 00:20:16,100 --> 00:20:18,600 Wow. So like in terms of economics in 373 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:20,000 this but we didn't have a school uniform. 374 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,600 So every day I would dress as a character and I was really more 375 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:27,900 like, I'd be like French sailor. It's a pirate. 376 00:20:27,900 --> 00:20:30,900 So I would always have some crazy beam in my head. 377 00:20:30,900 --> 00:20:34,000 So I mean, I'm not as extra as I used to be, but I would wake up 378 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:38,600 and I dress for a mood so hard. And is it a, is it the mood of 379 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,300 the moment? And yeah so like you know or or 380 00:20:41,300 --> 00:20:46,700 theme you know like pink baby doll or baby blue pastels or 381 00:20:46,700 --> 00:20:47,300 something. Go. 382 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,000 I'm like you know pistachio cream. 383 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:51,500 I am that. I am that person. 384 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:56,000 So I will show today was a bit baby Bluey, you know, fabulous, 385 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,500 no teeth. I think it just makes life so 386 00:20:58,500 --> 00:21:01,400 much more fun when you have to do the school run and laundry 387 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,200 and dishwasher pistachio cream today. 388 00:21:04,900 --> 00:21:08,800 So when you're going shopping, do you plan what you want? 389 00:21:08,900 --> 00:21:11,200 Or are you a complete impulse buyer. 390 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:15,200 Impulse buyer were all sort of knew you were gonna say, you 391 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:17,600 didn't even after you do it for fire. 392 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:21,600 But also because I'm, you know, I'm curvier, it's not as easy 393 00:21:21,700 --> 00:21:23,500 for me. So, when I see something, I bet, 394 00:21:23,500 --> 00:21:25,900 you know, if there's something that looks great on me, and Fitz 395 00:21:25,900 --> 00:21:29,300 and comfortable, or by in every color, you know, it's so do you 396 00:21:29,300 --> 00:21:31,700 shop online? Then there's that more 397 00:21:31,700 --> 00:21:34,200 difficult. I like, I do shop online. 398 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,600 I shocked. Like, but only stores I know, 399 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:40,800 will like, I know the car. I know the sizing I feel 400 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:45,500 comfortable but it can be more challenging to be more fabulous 401 00:21:45,500 --> 00:21:48,400 when other designers aren't really on board. 402 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:53,500 Yeah, I hear what you're saying. So travel let's talk about 403 00:21:53,500 --> 00:21:56,400 travel you pay particular attention to what your airport 404 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,400 look will be, you know comfort for me all the way. 405 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,400 I God bless Victoria Beckham. They know she was she said it's 406 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,800 like a Runway and high heels and everything. 407 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:08,500 I just I have so much admiration and clap quietly when I see 408 00:22:08,500 --> 00:22:10,100 someone. I'm pulling a look at airport 409 00:22:10,100 --> 00:22:12,100 that for me. Yeah, but they've been buggy. 410 00:22:12,100 --> 00:22:15,600 Yeah to the place that they're about to be snapped at and then 411 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,500 the bug eat away from it. Yeah, so I know with my children 412 00:22:18,500 --> 00:22:20,900 a bag for that ranked like eat your breakfast let's go. 413 00:22:21,100 --> 00:22:23,500 So to me, it's Comfort. It's because I just I want to be 414 00:22:23,500 --> 00:22:27,300 comfortable. Yeah good Packer bad Packer bad 415 00:22:27,300 --> 00:22:30,900 Packer chaotic too much too much. 416 00:22:31,300 --> 00:22:34,700 My mom always did to teach me to roll like roll the clothes and 417 00:22:34,700 --> 00:22:38,800 light so that but I I'm a control freak. 418 00:22:38,900 --> 00:22:40,600 Week. And so I want something for 419 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,400 every eventuality leaving the planet. 420 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,600 Or do you just throw it all in? And think it will work. 421 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,400 Its way out on the other end. I think I'm a bit probably in 422 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:53,300 between. So like, I okay. 423 00:22:53,300 --> 00:22:55,500 What happens if we suddenly we have to have a dinner. 424 00:22:55,500 --> 00:22:58,100 Do - I want something for every occasion. 425 00:22:58,100 --> 00:23:01,800 I'm the same. I thought this. 426 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,200 Let's pack into a tiny case. I'm not a millionaire. 427 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,600 Okay. So honest We if you're going for 428 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:16,100 longer than the night, yeah. How many bags to take it once? 429 00:23:16,500 --> 00:23:20,000 Once the well, like a bit like a suitcase and carry-ons is that 430 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:21,500 bad. But you know what? 431 00:23:21,500 --> 00:23:23,000 I think that's fine. You know what half of its my 432 00:23:23,008 --> 00:23:29,100 makeup, okay, I put my hands up. Like the smallest bag will be 433 00:23:29,100 --> 00:23:30,800 for the clothes. Most of it is my skincare and 434 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:39,600 makeup. Would you say is your You secret 435 00:23:40,100 --> 00:23:43,600 could be an accessories brand, doesn't have all like, you know, 436 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:47,400 nothing's guilty like hi-low, pocket-friendly, High Street. 437 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:51,900 I think everything's amazing. I love H&M. 438 00:23:51,900 --> 00:23:54,100 Henny like, depending on how a car old. 439 00:23:54,100 --> 00:23:57,300 You are people say hm O Henry's, which one are you hanging by 440 00:23:57,300 --> 00:23:59,500 their knees? But if you're under a certain 441 00:23:59,500 --> 00:24:02,200 age, people features a do I was going to say, hm. 442 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,600 But then, I thought, oh, that makes me very young. 443 00:24:05,500 --> 00:24:07,000 I don't know. Which means, I like to be in my 444 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:08,100 dreams. I love ya. 445 00:24:08,100 --> 00:24:10,100 I love cars. I like, I like High Street, I 446 00:24:10,100 --> 00:24:13,400 like designing things, I like everything in between bit of 447 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,200 crime on. He's amazing. 448 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,900 Everything is anything that you've got an excessive amount 449 00:24:18,900 --> 00:24:21,400 of in your wardrobe. Oh my goodness. 450 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,400 I mean, I do have a lot of bras like good quality kind of got 451 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,700 the biggest boobs in the world. So I love good quality broth. 452 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,000 You know, I think good lingerie is the foundation of any outfit 453 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:37,100 so I love alone. Me and you know, Kirby Kate 454 00:24:37,100 --> 00:24:40,300 bras, I think they're amazing. But what do Have I have more 455 00:24:40,300 --> 00:24:43,000 dresses now, which is lovely. I never had dresses before 456 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,100 because I could never get great tights. 457 00:24:45,100 --> 00:24:47,400 Which sounds again, it's a diversity thing. 458 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,700 If you can't get good ties, you don't feel comfortable wearing a 459 00:24:49,708 --> 00:24:53,800 dress, but I've discovered a new brand called stag tight which 460 00:24:53,900 --> 00:24:56,800 have like Plus Sizes, amazing colors. 461 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:58,500 And that's open to whole world of dresses. 462 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:02,100 You're wearing these amazing pink tights to do that man. 463 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,200 Yeah the crowd the on pink tights. 464 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,500 Amazing. Lots of I have more dresses now 465 00:25:07,500 --> 00:25:10,600 which I love You have a particular color that you revert 466 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:14,900 to again and again Pig my I think it's my spiritual color. 467 00:25:14,900 --> 00:25:18,600 It's really? I mean next to your skin tone, 468 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,500 it's absolutely gorgeous. Thank you, yes. 469 00:25:21,500 --> 00:25:26,100 Pink guilty secret. Most expensive item of clothing 470 00:25:26,100 --> 00:25:28,700 that you bought. You don't have to tell me how 471 00:25:28,700 --> 00:25:33,000 much clothing or handbag, it can be an accessory. 472 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:37,000 Have a generally, it is like I said, when I thought I needed 473 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,500 it, I've AMA backstage. Let's see. 474 00:25:39,500 --> 00:25:41,900 Be a lot of God should not have bag like you Foo. 475 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,500 Yeah, I'm one of you. I look, I'm part of your club 476 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,500 and it didn't work. I still had my progressions, but 477 00:25:47,700 --> 00:25:50,300 probably a Michael Ashen, a handbag probably. 478 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:54,200 Did you ever sort of think about pounds per where you have 479 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,400 justify toe death? I mean, you know what, it that I 480 00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:58,900 don't feel. I need the police, they're 481 00:25:58,900 --> 00:26:02,100 beautiful things, I love luxury, I love things which are, well, 482 00:26:02,100 --> 00:26:05,500 made and crafts and they're all they're beautifully protected 483 00:26:05,500 --> 00:26:07,000 for my golf. I've got a question. 484 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,000 So do you look after things react I just think of you're 485 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,200 going to luck out. Love this. 486 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:12,500 Go in there. Go shopping. 487 00:26:12,500 --> 00:26:13,900 Knock yourselves out. So I know that. 488 00:26:13,900 --> 00:26:16,200 It's ready for them. Lovely. 489 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:21,500 So you do you ever sell any of your pieces that you've had 490 00:26:21,500 --> 00:26:23,300 enough of? Just because you've got two 491 00:26:23,300 --> 00:26:24,700 daughters. But just think what would 492 00:26:24,700 --> 00:26:26,800 daughter. But they now interested that 493 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:32,100 because they're beginning, their sniffing around for their 11 and 494 00:26:32,100 --> 00:26:35,500 they say things like Mommy can I have that mean one day that 495 00:26:35,500 --> 00:26:36,500 ring? I love it. 496 00:26:37,100 --> 00:26:41,000 Straight in there. Your engagement ring and I could 497 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,000 hear the whispering they're dipping it up already. 498 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,700 So yeah. Go for do they get on? 499 00:26:44,700 --> 00:26:48,400 Well do they? I mean they it's a it's such a 500 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:52,400 special bond, being a twin and their paternal for turn and 501 00:26:52,500 --> 00:26:54,900 return or returned alone, identi, not identical yet, 502 00:26:54,900 --> 00:26:56,300 completely different chalk and cheese. 503 00:26:56,300 --> 00:26:59,400 My goodness, one's a corporate lawyer one's an artist like 504 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,700 literally like both ends of the spectrum. 505 00:27:01,700 --> 00:27:03,800 They're both fabulous. They love each other. 506 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,400 They are so sweet. They feel, I still, you know, at 507 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,300 bedtime, I hear giggling and they'll be in each other's 508 00:27:08,300 --> 00:27:11,400 bedroom. Like and it's just a best friend 509 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:18,000 for life or it's just a hater. Get out of my class so it's one 510 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,700 or the other and but I can't they have a very special bond. 511 00:27:21,700 --> 00:27:23,100 Yeah. Lovely. 512 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,900 What's your approach to sustainable fashion? 513 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:31,700 I think it's so important to think about the future 514 00:27:31,700 --> 00:27:34,500 environment. I think when you buy quality 515 00:27:34,500 --> 00:27:37,800 that's automatically sustainable this kind of like Fast fashion 516 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,300 is I mean it's for the delicious but we have to think about the 517 00:27:41,300 --> 00:27:45,800 impact on our planet. So I do think when you buy 518 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,600 quality and things that last that that that is helping so 519 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,500 much. Yeah, quality over quantity. 520 00:27:52,500 --> 00:27:55,300 Big toy. You ever think of that person 521 00:27:55,300 --> 00:27:59,600 who's actually made your garment to what country they live in, 522 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,900 how they live where they work? Yes I'd like very conscious of 523 00:28:03,900 --> 00:28:07,800 like God's you know. No child labor like people's 524 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,300 quality of life. Life and that we are all 525 00:28:10,300 --> 00:28:12,400 connected and we have a responsibility to each other. 526 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,700 I completely believe in that. But yeah. 527 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:19,200 So do you specifically, would you avoid certain brands if you 528 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,100 felt? They were not ethical. 529 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,800 Yes, definitely. That's how we all have power 530 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,200 with how we spend wherever you put, you know, the world runs on 531 00:28:27,208 --> 00:28:29,100 the economics. That's not the who you know, 532 00:28:29,100 --> 00:28:31,400 that's not be cute about it. And so if you put money 533 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,500 somewhere and you put your energy and your focus and your 534 00:28:33,500 --> 00:28:37,100 vocal then will people because of Economics will do the right 535 00:28:37,100 --> 00:28:38,700 thing. Yeah, absolutely. 536 00:28:40,300 --> 00:28:42,700 Would you do with your clothes? When you've had enough of them? 537 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,600 I recycle them. I'll you know whoever upcycle do 538 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:50,900 you ever change them or make a dress into a top, or I wish I 539 00:28:50,900 --> 00:28:53,100 could do that. I wish I was half of it made 540 00:28:53,500 --> 00:28:57,200 everybody but I'll be, I'll return them to like headings 541 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,500 have a like a program or in where I live. 542 00:29:00,500 --> 00:29:03,500 There's lots of recycling centers, so I'll make sure it 543 00:29:03,500 --> 00:29:05,800 goes right? It's needed and and you have a 544 00:29:05,808 --> 00:29:08,400 cell. I don't really I don't really 545 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,000 think. Think I should, I think I should 546 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,700 jump on it but I'm I don't know. I think I'm just I don't I'm not 547 00:29:13,700 --> 00:29:16,400 good at life admin like that, that seems too complicated. 548 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,800 What is the oldest piece in your wardrobe? 549 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:26,000 I might be vintage or something, your mother gave you or IV. 550 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:30,100 I've got I still have a pair of red boots, from another 6 years 551 00:29:30,100 --> 00:29:33,300 old. No, which I, that I don't think 552 00:29:33,300 --> 00:29:36,800 I, I think I slept in them. Yeah, they were these because I 553 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,500 know they just made me feel so grown up in If I still have them 554 00:29:39,500 --> 00:29:41,900 in the back of the cupboard summer, they made me feel like a 555 00:29:41,908 --> 00:29:46,800 grown woman fabulous and I will never, and I will never forget 556 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,700 that feeling, so they're in the back of the cupboard, somewhere 557 00:29:48,700 --> 00:29:51,000 just feeling. Look at my red leather boots. 558 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,200 I had white cowboy boots with red stitching. 559 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,500 There you go. Literally, you're my twin and I 560 00:29:56,500 --> 00:30:00,100 wish I still had the yeah, yeah, they made me feel amazing. 561 00:30:00,300 --> 00:30:03,700 And would you say you, I think we've covered this that you look 562 00:30:03,700 --> 00:30:05,500 after your clothes and your accessories. 563 00:30:05,500 --> 00:30:08,900 Well, I do respect things. Yeah, you know, because I I mean 564 00:30:08,900 --> 00:30:12,400 I grew up very rich and then my parents got a divorce and then I 565 00:30:12,500 --> 00:30:17,800 was very poor because my dad did a number and so I know both 566 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,800 sides of the coin and I know what it is to be going to school 567 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,300 with very wealthy people and also not having anything and try 568 00:30:25,300 --> 00:30:27,800 to you know the kind of cats complex very complex. 569 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,900 So I think as a result I have a respect for things because I 570 00:30:31,900 --> 00:30:33,700 know they're not easily replaced. 571 00:30:35,900 --> 00:30:38,200 Okay, I've got some quick fire questions for you. 572 00:30:39,100 --> 00:30:40,100 You ready? Yes. 573 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:47,300 High end or High Street. High-end his heart, of course 574 00:30:47,300 --> 00:30:50,900 your teeth. I end, bling or bear playing, 575 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,500 minimalism will maximalism. I know the answer to this is 576 00:30:54,900 --> 00:31:01,200 that Max could cure or share a charity shop could sha 1. 577 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:08,800 Awful bug off, one off, Crocs cute, or puke puke sneakers are 578 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:13,000 just letters because skinnies or boyfriends or why. wide legs, in 579 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:24,700 terms of jeans, skinny body, Contour boho Boho Sports Luxe or 580 00:31:24,700 --> 00:31:31,700 rock chick Sports Luxe Glam or grunge Glam red carpet or relax, 581 00:31:33,300 --> 00:31:38,300 probably both but maybe red carpet in my bedroom in your 582 00:31:38,300 --> 00:31:40,400 dreams. If I treat her red carpet while 583 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:47,000 watching that our we party world PJ's PJs, Trend or Style, Style, 584 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:51,600 color or monochrome. How do you talk to that color? 585 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:55,900 No hat, no plane. Hmm. 586 00:31:55,900 --> 00:32:01,300 Plain experimental, uniform experimental Kashmir or cotton. 587 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,900 Like, I'm allergic to wool. Oh my body of those women who is 588 00:32:05,900 --> 00:32:08,900 allergic to wool. Seriously makes me break out and 589 00:32:08,900 --> 00:32:11,900 contact dermatitis. And I just think my body knows, 590 00:32:11,900 --> 00:32:14,300 my body knows cash me. I'm worth it. 591 00:32:14,300 --> 00:32:19,000 Yeah, well, take that away from me Kashmir border or Or editor, 592 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:25,200 charity shop or resale charity? Shop. 593 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:33,000 Integer rental vintage recycled or up cycled recycled shapewear 594 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:38,300 or sexy lingerie. Shapewear title stockings tight 595 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:44,900 keaney in One Piece, One Piece, but I love to wear bikini be 596 00:32:44,900 --> 00:32:47,800 fun. It's been one big enough for my 597 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:52,500 boobs. Trilby or Tracy as in Philip 598 00:32:52,500 --> 00:32:59,100 treacy, o JC my goodness and finally at a one last question 599 00:32:59,100 --> 00:33:02,400 at the end of the day, what do you or don't you wear to bed? 600 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:10,600 I do like from mfp, Chase, awesome, awesome, fragrance, and 601 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,800 nothing at all. And that time is an extreme 602 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:17,500 person or just a spritz of perfume. 603 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:31,500 Thank you very much. Please join me next week, when I 604 00:33:31,500 --> 00:33:35,800 will be talking to the gorgeous, Sophie ellis-bextor, about her 605 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,100 love of latex and her wonderful vintage finds. 606 00:33:39,100 --> 00:33:42,300 And remember, if you're enjoying this podcast, please leave a 607 00:33:42,308 --> 00:33:44,100 review and hit subscribe.