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Today I'm going on a style 
journey with the English model, 

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television personality and 
serving police constable the 

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glorious Penny Lancaster. 
Hello and welcome, Penny. 

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Hello Amanda, thank you so much 
for inviting me. 

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Oh, the beautiful place you have
here. 

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Thank you, so lovely to have you
here because you have just 

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published your book, Someone 
Like me, a proper no holds 

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barred memoir. 
Was writing it a really 

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cathartic process? 
Much more cathartic than I ever 

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imagined it was going to be. 
I knew there were going to be 

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hobbits. 
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certain point where it was very 
challenging emotionally, I 

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thought, I don't think I've got 
this in me. 

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What am I doing? 
Why am I digging so deep and 

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pulling back the layers and 
exposing myself and feeling 

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vulnerable and feeling pain? 
Why am I doing this? 

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But then as I just, I kept 
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what? 
I'm, I'm healing from this 

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process and from my experience 
of being on Loose Women and 

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doing interviews in the past 
about certain times and places 

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in my life. 
I know how much it's resonated 

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with people and the positive 
feedback that I've got and 

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people saying thank you for 
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Thank you for now. 
And now I feel I'm not so alone.

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I, I just kept reminding myself 
of how much the, the book, my 

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journey, my lessons can help 
other people. 

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While it's healing me, it might 
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And sort of someone like me, 
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that's gone through what I've 
gone through and, and others, of

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course, gone through much more 
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But at the end of the day, we, 
we, we're all partake, don't we?

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And it's how we get through 
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can be quite transforming What? 
Was the toughest part of writing

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the book? 
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Memory For me, it was during a 
period of time when my husband 

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had been diagnosed with prostate
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private and it the initial 
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either. 
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in a sense to hold on to that 
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my husband and and deal with the
doctors and and the the process.

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And I also was hiding another, 
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shameful period of time, some 
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kept close to my heart. 
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we were talking about the Me Too
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had experienced a sexual assault
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I said me too. 
And they were like, oh, So what 

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happened with you, Penny? 
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17, I trusted a particular a man
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I'd worked with and being 
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that industry, he was telling me
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lots of contacts and because I 
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thing and join him at an event 
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But before we went to that 
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because he said he had to pick 
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his apartment where he offered 
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And then I didn't remember much 
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face down with him on top of me.
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on Loose Women, and I hadn't 
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the details of that and the 
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to put the details in there, 
because I know how many other 

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women have keep those events 
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the blame you put on yourself. 
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know how important it is to 
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that nature in particular, no 
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might feel it is. 
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of a type of character, it's 
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come forward about that same 
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build such a much stronger case 
to move forward for prosecution.

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Did you find when you were 
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you start to remember even more 
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Yes, because I think you have to
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writing a book because it's just
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I actually went and did the 
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well, which I found very hard to
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And it, you can tell in my voice
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authentic, because it's, you 
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going back to that, to that 
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So I had to describe it, you 
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book so that the reader could 
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but it has helped lessen the 
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of the triggers that even in 
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onto so. 
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which correct me if I'm wrong, 
but you're dyslexic, yes? 

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How hard was that for you to 
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audio book? 
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about that as part of the 
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Bloomsbury, who were absolutely 
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sick to my stomach because it 
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of my worst memories of being at
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in in English or any particular 
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Penelope, can you read the next 
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And because of dyslexia and 
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understand why I had troubles in
reading, they just, you were 

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either clever or you were dumb. 
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way to learn. 
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from that. 
It comes from a different place.

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It the, the, the heightened 
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awkwardness. 
It just said, there's like fear 

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and horror through me. 
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you to read and go your entire 
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was like, but you do know I'm 
dyslexic. 

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Yes, OK, that's that's fine. 
We you know, you can either read

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it from your computer digitally,
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And my my physical book that 
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audio at the end of September. 
I actually went to a lot of 

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length in in getting a font 
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for dyslexics. 
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bigger space in between each 
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of the word to be relatively 
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between each line to be bigger. 
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know, if you're reading if your 
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because because it's. 
Well, I was about to say, you're

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talking like this. 
This is me because she says 

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we're sort of font 14 on it. 
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Interview. 
So it's so it's sort of good for

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that, but but for dyslexic 
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to an NI could easily mix those 
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long enough extended enough to 
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the two letters. 
So are there particular fonts 

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that are easier for a dyslexic? 
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There. 
Which ones are those? 

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It's written in the back. 
We went through so many, but but

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as as well as the actual font, 
it was, it might be like a 

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unique one because because I I 
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letters have to be. 
We're back and forth with I was 

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like, no, that's still not 
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And in fact, finally we got 
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And so did you find the 
recording process not as scary 

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as you? 
No, I was terrified. 

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I was terrified because I even 
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the first day and that they'd 
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someone that could read it for 
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But but got halfway through the 
first day and you thought I've 

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got. 
This, I mean, I was very, very 

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nervous and I found that I was 
taking extra breaths and you're 

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swallowing your breath as you're
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And I was like not burping, but 
having this like little repeated

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thing going on. 
And the guy said, oh, that 

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that's just one of the things 
that we find with a lot of 

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readers because nobody will sit 
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time. 
And you end up having to take a 

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breath to continue, and instead 
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And especially when you're 
nervous and anxious, you do more

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of that. 
And there wasn't one page that I

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went through where I didn't make
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the beginning of that sentence 
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It was just what it was. 
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was supportive around me. 
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it took me 5 days. 
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because I I felt it was a true 
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It it probably even more so than
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And I also think there's a 
something about hearing yourself

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read out loud, something you've 
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Quite cathartic it. 
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they had to play certain bits 
back so that I I could start 

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recording again after my 
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sort of phone voice that, you 
know, that I have to get 

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uncomfortable looking at myself,
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But I suppose you get get used 
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But while I was reading it and 
and in a flow, I felt like I was

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telling someone else's story. 
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because as the title Someone 
Like Me, it could have easily be

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someone else's story, whether it
was reading about someone else's

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experience of bullying or 
dyslexia or being assorted going

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through motherhood and giving 
birth and IVF and then, you 

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know, the blended family and 
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This book could actually be 
someone else's. 

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But it happens to be my story. 
God, how inspiring. 

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Hello, inspiring. 
And you're off on, you're 

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promoting and doing book 
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it. 
Are you literally going from one

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to the next at the moment? 
One to the next. 

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Because The thing is, my husband
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everything. 
Because when he writes an album,

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all that work and effort that 
goes into that, if you if you're

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not going to promote it and put 
it out there and let everybody 

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know it's available, then what 
you know is sort of pointless 

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really. 
It's all part of the exercise. 

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So when I was invited to be a 
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one more recently in Henley and 
then soon to be going to 

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Cheltenham, that felt a bit 
daunting because I books was I 

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was sort of buy books and never 
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But going to a festival about 
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inch me moment. 
And there's like 850 people in a

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room to sit and listen to my 
story. 

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I'm going to be interviewed in 
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I suppose I've had some 
experience with a, with a, with 

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that, but never on this sort of 
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But it it's wonderful to know 
how many people you can connect 

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to and, and want to hear how 
you've experienced things 

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through life. 
And yeah, it's wonderful. 

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How magical. 
Well, good luck with it all. 

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Now today we're going on your 
personal style journey. 

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So let's start with can you 
describe what you've got on 

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today? 
I've got Veronica Beard jeans 

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and they I've got a lovely 
stretch and they're dark denim 

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and quite flared. 
I've got a pair of shoes that my

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son bought me when we were in 
New York. 

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They are the most comfortable. 
I could I could climb a mountain

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in these look, leather loafers. 
I mean, but this, I don't need 

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what this leather is, but it's 
just so soft. 

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So yeah, he bought those for me 
when we're in New York. 

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Oh, how cool. 
I know, how cool. 

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Do you shop with him? 
I do my 19 year old, he normally

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wears my clothes. 
I love that. 

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And my husband's clothes. 
We it's a bit of mix and match. 

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Love that. 
A little dark denim leather 

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jacket, I'm not sure where 
that's from. 

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And then my little tartan grease
coat, is that the Stuart tartan?

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It's not a Stuart tartan, but 
it, you know, it has a little 

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dash of the blue to and I'd sort
of, I like to layer things up 

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and it's sort of simple but 
effective. 

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But chic And will you change 
when you get to the festival? 

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I have I have a an outfit for 
tomorrow as well. 

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How do? 
You decide what you're wearing 

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for those those appearances. 
Well, I, I often kind of check 

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the weather out. 
Is it going to be indoors or 

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outdoors? 
Do I have to walk anywhere? 

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So I've actually got a change of
of shoes because I would like to

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wear a heel with this. 
What's the outfit? 

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I got it the other day in 
liberties. 

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I love liberties, but it's it's 
a, it's a beautiful pant. 

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It kind of from a distance it 
looks slightly polka dot, but 

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it's the maroon colour and then 
and then but it shifts with the 

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light. 
So there's sort of a green tint 

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to it. 
When it's sort of shot. 

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Yeah, well, you would Novel, 
yeah. 

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Yeah. 
So that means that that the 

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weave is 1. 
Colour one way and another 

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colour the other way. 
And so it sort of catches the 

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light and you see different 
colours. 

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So predominantly it look, it 
looks like burgundy with this 

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little dot. 
And then there's that shift of 

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colour with with the change of 
of light direction. 

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And so the opposite colour is 
this silk shirt that goes with 

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it. 
Yes. 

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Nice. 
Now you grew up in Essex. 

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In Essex, Yeah. 
Any Essex girl connotations 

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there? 
Oh, of course, of course, they 

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all, they all came, came in. 
In fact, you kind of most Essex 

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people laugh and go, go on. 
Then just lay it on me because 

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we're so proud to come from 
Essex. 

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Well, it's. 
Such a beautiful county, isn't 

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it? 
Let's. 

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Just get that in there and sort 
of the earth, down to earth 

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people, true to their word. 
So, so earliest fashion memory 

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when you just remember putting 
something on and thinking, yeah,

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I'm Penny. 
Well, it took a long time 

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because when I was at school, 
one of the reasons I was picked 

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on was being tall and skinny, 
which was seen as like you're 

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different, you stand out and 
people didn't like that. 

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Were you in a school uniform? 
I was in school uniform. 

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I was a brown uniform, which is 
which is odd because that's my 

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safe colour. 
I always go to brown and earthy 

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colours and I even didn't 
realise it at the time, but on 

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my publication day I pretty much
wore my school uniform. 

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Not literally, but it was a 
brown skirt and a brown blazer 

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from Max Mara. 
And when I'm. 

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Looking, I'm thinking that's my 
uniform. 

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There's the picture in the in 
the in the book here. 

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And I it's because of like, I 
was, you know, assorted sexually

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assaulted on the way to school 
at the age of 12. 

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And I was wearing my school 
uniform. 

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That was, that was the brown. 
I mean it was a beige shirt and 

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a brown like. 
But maybe that was you putting 

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that whole thing to bed, or 
owning it and owning it, yes. 

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Exactly. 
It's a weird psychological 

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thing, isn't it? 
But I I was, yeah. 

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So I was extremely tall at 
school, taller than all the 

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girls and the boys. 
So it kind of an odd book. 

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Did you feel? 
Awkward felt very awkward. 

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I used to wear 3 layers of 
tights to make my legs appear 

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bigger. 
Beautiful shapely skinny legs. 

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Hated them. 
Oh no and stuffed de bra. 

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You know, I was probably the the
second from last to get my 

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period, so I never felt 
comfortable at all. 

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And then when I left school, 
when I started modelling, I was 

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told I wasn't skinny enough. 
Oh, talk to me about that for a 

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second. 
So it was, it was torture. 

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So I, you know, I'm, I'm too 
skinny. 

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Then I wasn't skinny enough. 
And then I always felt 

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self-conscious. 
I was told I was, you know, even

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when I was married up on a set 
with a guy, sometimes I'd have 

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to put him, stand him on a book 
or two to so that because what, 

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you know, 6 foot one. 
Well, I was when I left school, 

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sort of 511. 
I kept growing even, you know, 

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into my 20s. 
Even into your. 20s yeah. 

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So I was 511 when I first 
started modelling at 17 and then

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I'm 61 now. 
So I just kept going. 

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So if I wore a heel, which 
predominantly would be, you 

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know, put into a pair of huge 
heels, I would learn out of 10 

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and be taller than the male 
model. 

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So I was never, I was made to 
feel awkward and not like I 

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could fit in anywhere. 
But then I finally I found my 

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niche and I did lots of 
sportswear, fitness wear, 

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swimwear, lingerie and I was 
like ah finally. 

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And did you, did you sort of bow
to the pressure of lose weight? 

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Lose weight. 
Yes, I did for a period of time.

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In a healthy way. 
No, just like just trying not to

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eat very much at all account 
like, you know, if I had a 

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salad, I wouldn't put a dressing
on it and and that kind of 

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thing. 
And then before a photo shoot. 

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My brother was very much into 
weight training and he said, you

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know what weight trainers do to 
to emphasize their muscles and, 

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and their vascularity and all of
that, They would take salt 

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tablets before a show. 
So if you take salt tablets 

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before a shoot, it will take all
the fluid off the surface of the

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skin so you'll appear even 
skinnier. 

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So I went to those lengths until
I was like passing out good low 

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blood pressure. 
But you wouldn't have been 

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alone. 
No, no, no. 

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But I felt like I was. 
I thought, well, everyone else 

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seems to be successful and I'm 
working and happy, but I put on 

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that front. 
And did you, so you didn't 

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discuss it with any any sort of 
fellow models? 

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No, because I thought I'd be 
found out and I'd be a fraud 

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because I just wanted people to 
believe this was, this was who I

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was, because this is what they 
wanted. 

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And if, if it, if they saw that 
it was a struggle for me to 

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achieve that, then it didn't 
come naturally. 

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Therefore we couldn't rely on on
Penny because it's not, you 

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know. 
So that was always, always 

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hiding it. 
And what was your casting look? 

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What would you wear for running 
around London on your go seats? 

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What was your sort of uniform 
back then? 

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It it probably would have been 
it's black, you know, it was 

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like the go. 
To body con. 

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Yes, yeah, it would. 
It would be black tights, black 

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shoes, black boots, short skirt,
skinny top, you know, and then 

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with a big coat over the top 
just to. 

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You know, for safety, really 
feel safe. 

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Yeah. 
Cocoon. 

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Yeah, Cocoon. 
But then I'd be able to strip 

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off and go. 
Oh, OK. 

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Yeah. 
And during your time modelling, 

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was there a particular designer 
or stylist that sort of 

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influenced your? 
Personal style, I never felt I 

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ever had a personal style 
because I was never comfortable 

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in my own skin and being 6 foot 
one and very broad shoulders 

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from swimming and narrow hips, I
didn't sort of fit anyone 

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particular designer. 
And and even now I, I find it 

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tricky. 
You know, my, you know, the, the

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length of my arms and the, the 
length of my legs and I'm very 

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long in the body as well. 
And so I was constantly 

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critiquing myself. 
So I never felt like I could 

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dress myself. 
I let I left that up to the 

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professionals. 
Was it, was it almost a relief 

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to arrive on set and be dressed?
Yes, yeah. 

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But then I and then at the same 
time I would often be thinking, 

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what if nothing's going to fit 
me just. 

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Constantly panicking. 
So we spin forward to you are 

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out one night with some 
girlfriends and you meet your 

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future husband. 
Tell me about that. 

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What were you wearing that? 
Night it was a Christmas party 

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and it was the Christmas season 
and and there was an event that 

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my friend invited me to and we 
went for dinner 1st and then we 

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ended up in a nightclub at the 
Dorchester Hotel in London on 

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Park Lane. 
It's now a Chinese restaurant. 

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And I was I was dancing with my 
girlfriends. 

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And then one of my friends was 
like, oh, my God, look who's 

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over there. 
I'd be like, all right, what, 

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what, what? 
She said, Oh, Penny. 

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And they turned to me. 
I was always the one that pushed

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at the front, the daredevil, you
know, I think it was my height. 

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You know, I'd end up going and 
getting the drinks at the bar 

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or, you know, if we were 
underage, you know, or going to 

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get cinema tickets if we weren't
old enough. 

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It was always. 
So it was that. 

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Penny, go and get me an 
autograph. 

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I'm like, who's autograph? 
She's like Rod Stewart's over in

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the corner and I'm like Rod 
Stewart and all I could think 

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was the leopard print trousers. 
And do you think I'm sexy? 

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And I'm thinking, oh gosh, 
what's that? 

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You know, what am I letting 
myself in for here? 

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And she said, you've got to get 
an autograph for my daughter. 

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And I was like, OK, I'll go and 
do that. 

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So I've I've sorted over and I 
was in a short black number. 

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I can't remember who it was, but
it I know it was short and it 

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was tight and you know, I know 
now that rod is a leg man. 

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So the legs were the pins were 
out the pins. 

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Were out. 
That's a good thing, isn't it? 

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And I thought that that surely 
with the pins and a big smile 

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and being very gracious and 
polite and all of that, and how 

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could he say no? 
And I did. 

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But I didn't know what kind of 
character this guy was going to 

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be. 
But sure, was he surrounded by 

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he had his band with him, right?
Because he was on tour at the 

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time and had a few more shows to
go. 

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And so I went over and everyone 
was like nudge, nudge, nudge. 

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And I'm sure he got so many 
girls coming over and saying hi 

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and I apologise for interrupting
and would you mind signing an 

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autograph for my girlfriend? 
And he said, of course, come and

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sit down. 
And he said, So what? 

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What is it that you do? 
And I said, well, I'm studying 

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photography. 
And he's so interesting. 

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He said. 
Would you like the opportunity 

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to come to my show tomorrow and 
take some pictures? 

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That's such a good chat up line,
isn't? 

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It and I thought crafty. 
I thought like that one. 

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So he'll give your number to my 
bass player, Carmine, and he'll 

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be in contact with you and give 
you the details. 

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And I said fabulous. 
And I go, here's the signature. 

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You know, he's signed a napkin 
or a bar mat. 

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I can't remember what I had now.
And utterly charming and wrote 

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twinkle in his eye. 
And then he said to me, are you 

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good at dancing? 
And I was like, or I like 

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dancing. 
He went, I'm going to come and 

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watch. 
I was like, Oh my gosh. 

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So followed me. 
He went off to the bar and I 

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joined my girlfriend's back on 
the dance floor. 

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Who were like, did you get the 
autograph? 

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I'm like, yeah, here's the 
autograph. 

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But he'd look, he's over there 
and he's like, he's going to 

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watch us dance. 
And then in the next minute he 

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was calling me over to the bar 
and I went over and my friends 

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were like, go on, go on. 
And so I sat there and he, he 

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bought me a drink and he said, I
have to just tell you that going

448
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:04,760
through a bit of a tricky patch.
It will be in the newspapers 

449
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,520
tomorrow. 
So don't be alarmed. 

450
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,840
But the news will come out that 
my wife and I have separated. 

451
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,240
And I saw, I'm so sorry to hear 
that. 

452
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,960
I I didn't even know his 
circumstances, whether he was 

453
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,720
married or not. 
And didn't have a poster of him 

454
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:23,440
in your room. 
No, and it wasn't my parents 

455
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,920
kind of go to either. 
So I wasn't that familiar with 

456
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,360
him. 
And on that now with social 

457
00:27:29,360 --> 00:27:32,360
media and other platforms like 
you've only got the news or 

458
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:37,520
music from very small area of 
like a source of information. 

459
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:43,240
And but everyone knew Rod 
Stewart, the leopard print and 

460
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:47,440
you know, the iconic image, but 
the man himself was very 

461
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:53,080
different to that to that image.
And and the next day I called 

462
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,040
Carmine, the bass player and he 
gave me the details to go see 

463
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,400
the concert. 
Amazing concert. 

464
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,600
Took the photographs, went back 
to college the next day and 

465
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,720
processed those images. 
And but hang on a tick. 

466
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,040
What did you wear to the 
concert? 

467
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:13,320
To the concert. 
I, I wore black again and I 

468
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:17,920
wore, I covered everything up 
because I wanted this to be like

469
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:22,000
a professional thing and not a 
well, he'd obviously told me 

470
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,240
that he'd gone going through 
this tough time. 

471
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,520
So I thought to keep it 
professional. 

472
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,800
I'm here to take photographs. 
I might get to meet him again, 

473
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:36,400
but I, I just wanted to, to give
a good impression and, and then 

474
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,520
we didn't actually get to see 
each other after the show. 

475
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,760
He he did a quick runner 
afterwards because of all the 

476
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,800
medium, because it was going 
through a hard time. 

477
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,040
Nine months later he calls and 
leaves a message. 

478
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:53,040
So back in town can we meet? 
So talk about what I was going 

479
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,040
to wear. 
So did you look at your phone 

480
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:57,680
and go? 
Well, it wasn't a phone to look 

481
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,000
at then. 
It was a it was a message on my 

482
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,520
answer phone at home, at home on
the landline. 

483
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,840
Yeah. 
And I kept playing it back and 

484
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:08,560
playing it back and thinking, is
it him? 

485
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,600
Because his talking voice is 
very different to his singing 

486
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,400
voice and quite sort of cockney 
in a way. 

487
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,320
And I was like, someone's 
playing a joke. 

488
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,880
But no, it was him. 
And we ended up going out for 

489
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,440
dinner with another couple. 
So there was four of us 

490
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,440
together. 
And once again, he said come for

491
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,120
dinner. 
I'd like to see the photographs 

492
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,320
you took, I thought. 
So what did you wear for that 

493
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:37,680
dinner? 
I wore brown pleather. 

494
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,680
Safe zone. 
Yeah, safe zone. 

495
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:48,560
Pleather trousers in brown. 
And I wore a brown roll neck, a 

496
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,560
jacket, you know, like I 
buttoned up. 

497
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:54,440
There was not one bit of flesh 
other than my hands, you know, 

498
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,280
that he could kind of get any 
impression of anything. 

499
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:02,040
And he remembers that very 
distinctly because he's thinking

500
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:06,160
like, what was she afraid of? 
What she, you know, completely 

501
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:11,200
covered up head to toe. 
But yeah, I just sort of wanted 

502
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:15,040
him to sort of know that there 
was more to uncover with this 

503
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:16,760
one. 
You know, I wasn't going to let 

504
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:24,000
it all out on on the first date,
but I was engaged to somebody at

505
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:29,000
the time. 
So had you had to sneak out of? 

506
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:33,280
No, I didn't sneak. 
I told the person I was with. 

507
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:37,800
Who were you living together? 
We were living together and we'd

508
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:42,360
already going through a rocky 
patch and we'd already split up 

509
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:46,560
for a couple of months and we'd 
got back together to try to make

510
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:50,320
it work the second time round. 
And it was still on rocky 

511
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,840
grounds, but in a relationship 
where we could be honest with 

512
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,560
each other. 
And I said, as you, as I said to

513
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,760
him, remember I met this Rod 
Stewart. 

514
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,440
Well, he's now got back to me 
and said he'd like to see the 

515
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,520
photographs. 
And he was like, go on, off you 

516
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,320
go. 
Very blase confident that I 

517
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:11,640
would never leave him. 
But this is Rod Stewart who's 

518
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,880
asking you out for a dinner date
to look at your photographs. 

519
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:21,960
But he didn't seem to care. 
And after that dinner date, Rod 

520
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:26,800
then went on and asked if I 
wanted to join him in Spain to 

521
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:31,640
take some photographs for him. 
And this was one step up. 

522
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,960
And my fiance at the time? 
Similar reaction. 

523
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:40,480
Sure, off you go. 
And I actually packed my bags 

524
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,920
with tears down my cheeks 
because I knew that relationship

525
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:48,200
was over as much as I I knew it 
myself. 

526
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,440
Now I now I realise he wanted it
as well. 

527
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:54,120
Because why would you let let 
you go that. 

528
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,320
Yeah. 
And what did you put? 

529
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,200
In the bag. 
On in the bag. 

530
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,680
Well, I, I, well, we were going 
to Spain, so it was hot. 

531
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:10,160
And I, I went once again with 
like cardigans and long skirts 

532
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,040
and, you know, and that. 
Meanie sexy lingerie. 

533
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:17,880
No pyjamas, Penny, I packed 
pyjamas. 

534
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:23,480
And not sexy underwear like the 
fleshy type that you wear when 

535
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,800
you go on modelling that. 
Yeah, nothing like that at all. 

536
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,320
Because I was like, I'm here to 
take photographs. 

537
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,960
OK, I've got to hear the next 
bit of this story. 

538
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:39,720
So that was that that then while
I was still at college, Rod 

539
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:44,280
invited me to go to the Bahamas.
And this was now I've finished 

540
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:49,040
with my ex because Rod has said 
to me, look, what are you doing?

541
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:51,800
Don't think about leaving this 
guy for me. 

542
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:53,720
Just think about leaving him for
you. 

543
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,960
It's not a healthy relationship 
like you. 

544
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:57,840
Good advice. 
Yeah. 

545
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:02,600
So that that that relationship 
ended very shortly after that 

546
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:08,240
trip to Spain with Rod. 
Then then comes like the single 

547
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:12,880
penny moved back with parents 
invited out to the Bahamas. 

548
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,880
I'm at photography college, at 
Barking College. 

549
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,840
I don't know where my future's 
going to take me. 

550
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,720
I turn up to the Bahamas. 
I don't have much money to buy 

551
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,880
new clothes. 
I needn't have worried. 

552
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:30,520
I arrived at this house that his
friend had rented and she showed

553
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:35,800
me into this bedroom, opened up 
the wardrobes, and it was full 

554
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:42,720
of clothes for me and shoes. 
And I'm like, what? 

555
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:46,600
How and I didn't, I didn't, 
someone might be thinking, isn't

556
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,240
that a bit controlling? 
Isn't that a bit, you know, But 

557
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,520
actually he, I think he knew 
where I was at and he knew the 

558
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,160
struggles I'd gone through 
because we'd had lots of 

559
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:59,240
conversations over the phone in,
in that time leading up to this 

560
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:03,040
trip. 
And he wanted a moment for me 

561
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,640
to, to kind of shed all of those
insecurities. 

562
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:11,480
And there were lots of short 
skirts and skimpy things and I, 

563
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,560
yeah, I had a good figure. 
And he just like, why are you 

564
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:19,600
covering yourself up? 
What a gorgeous, thoughtful, 

565
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,159
generous gift. 
And he and he he said because 

566
00:34:23,159 --> 00:34:27,280
the trip to Spain we did 1 funny
fancy dress night where the guys

567
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,560
dressed as girls and girls 
dressed as guys. 

568
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,560
And so had all the guys come 
into my room borrowing my 

569
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:38,159
dresses and my shoes because 
I'm, I'm, well, I was a 7 then. 

570
00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:42,360
I'm more like an 8 now and one 
size smaller than my husband. 

571
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,719
So they were all squeezing into 
that, the open toed, slingbacky 

572
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,120
type shoes, just managing that. 
So Rod knew if he went to a 

573
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,480
shop, if he tried a shoe on and 
it was a size too tight, it 

574
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,960
would be just perfect for me. 
I love it. 

575
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:56,600
I love. 
My whole what? 

576
00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:01,200
Was your favorite piece that he 
had chosen for you from? 

577
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,640
That I think it was a Robert 
Cavalli I knew. 

578
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,080
You were going to say. 
Animal print, animal print. 

579
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,760
And I still love animal print. 
And I remember the first time he

580
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,360
took me shopping in London and 
we were down Bond Street and we 

581
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:17,960
went into Dolce and I was in the
dressing room and he just kept 

582
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,160
passing stuff in. 
I know. 

583
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,040
And I'd come out. 
And so that I went, yes, take 

584
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,040
that off, give that to the lake.
You know, it was just like this 

585
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:29,440
pile of, of clothes. 
And I and I still have these two

586
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:34,280
leather outfits. 
It was a black leather short, 

587
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:39,120
very short, almost large belt of
a skirt with these silver chains

588
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,240
hanging off it with a matching 
leather coat. 

589
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,960
Then there was a similar outfit 
in in in green, a dark green 

590
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:52,440
leather almost snake looking 
skirt with a matching leather 

591
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,040
jacket. 
Those two alike have still have 

592
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:59,080
those outfits, you know, just as
a memory. 

593
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:03,880
So does do you love? 
Going shopping together, I don't

594
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,320
love so much going because I've,
because I've, you know, after 

595
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,560
two children go through 
menopause and what have you, 

596
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:15,840
I've put, I've put on a lot more
weight and stubborn belly fat. 

597
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:20,720
And so Rod will still look at me
like, like he looked at me then,

598
00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:23,480
which is lovely. 
And he'll go, darling, this is 

599
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:24,400
lovely. 
This is lovely. 

600
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,400
I'm like a sweetie. 
I'm look, I'm not that person. 

601
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,240
I, I can't wear that tight 
outfit because of my belly and I

602
00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:32,760
can't wear that because of, you 
know, my boobs or whatever. 

603
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:38,240
And he's like, oh, OK, so I 
don't enjoy the shopping trips 

604
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,160
like I used to because I've gone
back to sort of being a bit more

605
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,080
self-conscious about what will 
fit and what won't, won't. 

606
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,720
I don't care if I have to wear a
size 14 or a 16. 

607
00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:51,000
The number doesn't doesn't 
bother me. 

608
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:55,280
It's just proportion wise, you 
know, am I going to be able to 

609
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,560
fit in it? 
You know, because some, because 

610
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,360
I'm that that ectomorph. 
I'm more of a sporty shape. 

611
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,880
It's not as easy to to find 
things. 

612
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,080
So I don't enjoy shopping as 
much as I used to. 

613
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:12,080
I like to order stuff in and try
it on privately. 

614
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:18,680
And is that your your trick, 
your secret to to buy online? 

615
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,560
Yeah, buy, buy online, have it 
all delivered and Rod's like 

616
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,240
what the hell, what the these 
boxes doing? 

617
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,680
Don't worry darling, it's all 
most of it's coming back. 

618
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:32,000
Do you ever work with a stylist?
No, no, because I I just always 

619
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:36,760
feel that nobody would ever get 
my get my size, get my, my, my 

620
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,600
style, I suppose, But then that 
would be the perfect reason why 

621
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:43,080
to get a stylist because then 
they would then they'd be able 

622
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,600
to shop for you. 
They know exactly or that's not 

623
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,560
going to work for Penny, but 
that will you know, because I I 

624
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:56,280
don't particularly like exposing
my arms with a wide shoulder 

625
00:37:56,280 --> 00:38:00,200
strap. 
I have to go like spaghetti or a

626
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,560
halter neck or something like 
that, which is better for my 

627
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:06,040
shoulders. 
And then I'm long in the bodies,

628
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,960
you know, because when you go on
a stylist, I know they'd be able

629
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,800
to pick that out because when 
you go on a photo shoot you I 

630
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:16,040
tried to explain my body type 
and nine out I now take a 

631
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,480
wardrobe of clothes with me 
because there might be a few 

632
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,320
pieces at work. 
But then I need to marry that up

633
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:24,120
with something that I've got 
that I know works and mix and 

634
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,000
match it and. 
Particularly when you're being 

635
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:31,000
photographed as Penny the 
author, you know, it's not like 

636
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,640
you're Penny the model. 
Yes, I want to look like me. 

637
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,400
Totally. 
I mean, are you are on Loose 

638
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:43,520
Women and are there sort of 
strict wardrobe guidelines there

639
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,360
or can you just wear whatever 
you want? 

640
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:49,080
You could pretty much wear 
whatever you like, but there's 

641
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:53,440
the telly guideline of the no 
logos and no stripes because of 

642
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:58,800
the plaids and all that because 
it strobes on on TV. 

643
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,200
But other than that, they pretty
much like allow you to wear what

644
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,160
you like. 
Well, that's nice. 

645
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:05,960
Yeah. 
And there is there is a stylist 

646
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:11,080
there that sort of got used to 
me and my body type and what I 

647
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,480
like and don't like. 
So that's always helpful because

648
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:18,280
you can't always come up with a 
million different outfits and. 

649
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,920
You did strictly. 
Yeah. 

650
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,240
How was that putting on all of 
those costumes? 

651
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:29,120
Absolutely incredible daunting 
to begin with because I'd had my

652
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:33,440
first child and I'd put on 
weight with the first child and 

653
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:37,760
I felt like I've always had to 
make excuses for me for my 

654
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:41,360
weight when I was modelling, 
even when my figure was at its 

655
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,080
best. 
If I were to turn up and say, 

656
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,120
oh, I've, I've got my period. 
So sorry. 

657
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,040
My, my tummy might be a little 
bit bloated. 

658
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:51,360
I mean, my tummy was concaved 
most of the time, but I still 

659
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:55,240
had to feel like I had to make 
excuses and apologise because I 

660
00:39:55,240 --> 00:39:58,800
never felt I was perfect enough.
And now I realise there isn't 

661
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,840
any such thing as perfect and. 
Who gives it down? 

662
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:03,880
But you know, then it it 
concerned me. 

663
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,720
So after my first child going on
strictly, I knew there was 

664
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:08,920
people of all different shapes 
and sizes. 

665
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,440
So it wasn't like we were all 
models going into this. 

666
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:16,520
So I would but I'd still have to
say to the to the to the lady, 

667
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:20,000
to the fitter. 
You know, I, well, I've put a 

668
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,080
bit of weight on here and I've 
put because you have to send 

669
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:26,280
your size guidelines and there's
no point in fibbing about. 

670
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,400
It because the tape is the tape,
yeah. 

671
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:33,120
And she said, well, what's 
fantastic about this verse 

672
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:39,560
fitting is in a few weeks time, 
you you will have shrunk because

673
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,320
of the hard work that you have 
to put in with the with the 

674
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:46,040
dance rehearsals every day and 
the nerves of being on the show,

675
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:51,760
you will be dropping sizes. 
I said and I did my last 

676
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,960
performance, I was on there for 
five weeks and my last 

677
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:58,920
performance they actually did a 
cutaway on the dress to show my 

678
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,200
ABS. 
I've got ABS back. 

679
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,840
And are you at peace with your 
body now? 

680
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:12,640
Not really, not really. 
I think my my worst time was 

681
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,840
going through lockdown when we 
all sort of fed ourselves and 

682
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,200
gorged on whatever and because 
who cares? 

683
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,800
But then I kind of went, whoa, 
what what's gone on here? 

684
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,920
And, and the menopause hit me at
the same time. 

685
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:29,360
So I was like in a bit of a 
spiral and, and, and, and 

686
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,600
serious depression came over me 
and I kind of lost it a few 

687
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,680
times and was put on 
antidepressants and before I 

688
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,680
realised it was menopause and 
got on HRT. 

689
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:43,800
So during that time was probably
my kind of where I was freaked 

690
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,600
out the most. 
And I went on the very first 

691
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:52,800
time on an actual diet where you
were having those shakes to 

692
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:56,360
supplement real food. 
But I thought for me, it was all

693
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,400
or nothing. 
And I wasn't going to be able to

694
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,840
just cut down my size portions 
and all this kind of thing. 

695
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:06,760
I thought, no, I've got to just 
kill it and, and, and, and do 

696
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,520
what I've never said I'll do and
go on an actual diet. 

697
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:15,280
It worked, but how realistic was
that to be able to keep that 

698
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,600
going? 
So then I put the weight back 

699
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:22,080
on. 
I think what really shifted my 

700
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:27,360
weight was my second child going
through IVF three times where 

701
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,520
you're pumping yourself with 
hormones all the time. 

702
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,480
And I think that really kind of 
messed my system up. 

703
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,760
But of course, more than 
grateful to have gone through 

704
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:43,840
anything to have a second child.
But I, yeah, to shift the weight

705
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,480
on that after that second 
pregnancy was almost impossible.

706
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,600
And I just, I accepted it. 
I thought, that's fine. 

707
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:52,080
I've gone through two 
pregnancies. 

708
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:55,600
I've had my second beautiful 
child. 

709
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,640
I don't. 
I don't mind if I'm a bigger 

710
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:04,680
penny and then go through 
menopause added to that weight 

711
00:43:05,240 --> 00:43:09,280
and now even though I'm careful 
with what I eat and I exercise 

712
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:14,280
regularly, I can't shift it. 
And are you particularly aware 

713
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:21,160
of being in the public eye? 
And how cruel the the press can 

714
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,880
be. 
I think they've become less 

715
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,760
cruel. 
I remember, yeah, they've had 

716
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:28,720
to. 
I think after my first child, 

717
00:43:28,720 --> 00:43:31,760
I've I felt pretty torn apart 
because I was doing a charity 

718
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,840
event. 
It was a netball game and it was

719
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:41,200
a four page in the newspaper, 
not so hot legs and there was 

720
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:45,040
Cellulite. 
Even on a skinny leg there was 

721
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,040
Cellulite. 
And I just thought that is 

722
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,600
vicious. 
I've just, I've just had a baby.

723
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:54,960
I'm doing a charitable event and
that's their headline. 

724
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,480
And I, I hope that these these 
days they wouldn't be how to 

725
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,840
ridicule a woman like that 
anymore. 

726
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,120
So I think it's, it's nowadays 
it's a lot more acceptable. 

727
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:11,160
But you know, then again, you've
got social media and there's a 

728
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:16,880
much more freer Ave. of speech 
on there that's that's not 

729
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,680
regulated and you get members of
the public. 

730
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,040
You know, I remember during 
lockdown I was doing another 

731
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:26,280
charity thing with Rod and 
someone commented like, and I 

732
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:30,640
still remember it today saying 
you've got enough money. 

733
00:44:30,720 --> 00:44:33,080
Why don't you get a personal 
trainer and a nutritionist? 

734
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:36,640
Why, why, why you shouldn't look
overweight? 

735
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:42,000
I'm thinking what, why are you 
focusing on a few extra pounds 

736
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,880
during lockdown when I'm trying 
to do a good thing and raise 

737
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:49,160
awareness for this charity? 
And that's all you can see. 

738
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:54,960
And it just just shows you where
some people's minds are AT. 

739
00:44:55,640 --> 00:45:00,640
And and for me it's still like a
trigger and I so I still that 

740
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:02,320
that stuff still colour hits 
home. 

741
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:07,760
So what silhouettes are you most
comfortable in? 

742
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,640
What? 
What makes you feel the best 

743
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:14,040
version of you? 
Well, nothing tight. 

744
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:19,160
I used to always wear tight and 
I'd go, Oh no, it's too tight. 

745
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:25,240
No, that's not going to. 
So I go I I quite love the style

746
00:45:25,240 --> 00:45:30,240
of of women in in power suits or
wearing trousers that have got 

747
00:45:30,240 --> 00:45:33,800
like pleats. 
So it disguises a little belly 

748
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:37,600
fat and that kind of oversized 
the baggy. 

749
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:43,520
It's not really my husband's 
favorite turn out so I and I and

750
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:48,320
I and I do appreciate that he 
loves me to look more feminine 

751
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,640
and he still thinks I'm sexy. 
Great. 

752
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:57,560
That's all that matters. 
So he's like, you know, don't be

753
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:02,240
afraid of being sexy and bigger,
you know, I still love you. 

754
00:46:02,240 --> 00:46:04,240
So that that's always nice to 
hear. 

755
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,960
So I still get my legs. 
I still get the legs out. 

756
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,080
Good girl. 
And the cleavage. 

757
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,640
You know, but it doesn't all 
have to be out at the same time,

758
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:18,160
does it? 
No, and, and, and I do wear sexy

759
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:22,520
underwear to make myself feel 
good, you know, from the inside 

760
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:24,240
out. 
Love that, love that. 

761
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:30,680
Do you have a style icon? 
I was feeling very Diane Keaton 

762
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:34,040
with the high neck today. 
I don't often wear high necks 

763
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:37,960
because I think a lower neckline
gives you that colour longer 

764
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:42,480
look and I always feel a bit 
claustrophobic. 

765
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:46,000
But this is a loose one. 
But when I put it on, I, I, you 

766
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:49,800
know, with her passing more 
recently, I mean, she had some 

767
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:51,880
style about her. 
What style? 

768
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:56,440
Gosh, it was almost like she 
found her style, you know, her 

769
00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:02,560
style DNA early and stuck to it 
and evolved it but never really 

770
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:05,320
changed it. 
And I think that's the 

771
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,240
definition of true style, 
actually. 

772
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:11,480
Well, like my husband. 
I mean, his style is iconic. 

773
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,760
Totally. 
Do you share his passion for 

774
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:16,520
leopard print? 
Or animal print. 

775
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,720
I love animal print actually, 
because it's all that tonal, 

776
00:47:19,720 --> 00:47:21,520
those soft tonal brownie 
colours. 

777
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:25,160
And if you're going to go for a 
pattern, but he will mix a 

778
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:29,800
tartan with an animal print with
some lace with some, you know, 

779
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,400
like he mixes it all up when he 
because he's colour blind. 

780
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:34,080
Is he? 
Yeah. 

781
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,160
That's why he he wears all those
clashes of colours. 

782
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:39,640
But when he says to be done and 
does this go with that? 

783
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,760
And I'm like, well, it does on 
you because. 

784
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:51,040
And he has never been afraid to 
wear a bit of chiffon or or silk

785
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:55,120
or he he's quite androgynous and
feminine in his style as well. 

786
00:47:55,240 --> 00:48:01,080
Very early days to this sort of 
androgynous metrosexual 

787
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:05,840
dressing, wasn't he? 
Not afraid of, of his sexuality.

788
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:14,280
It's very masculine, you know, 
sex appeal and all of that. 

789
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:20,240
But not afraid to, to kind of 
camp it up, I suppose, and, and 

790
00:48:20,240 --> 00:48:22,920
be flamboyant and just be 
expressive. 

791
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:27,440
My eldest son is, is definitely 
going down that, that route. 

792
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:30,520
He played safe for so long, 
probably up until he was about 

793
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:34,280
16 or 17. 
In the last few years he's 

794
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:38,120
thrown the rule book out, you 
know, what a man supposed to 

795
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,040
look like or where or what have 
you. 

796
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:43,280
And say he wears my stuff and 
Rod's stuff. 

797
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:47,360
He mixes up the colours and the 
prints and he's painting his 

798
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:50,280
nails and his, you know, it's, 
he's not afraid. 

799
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:55,480
So do both sons sty Nick from 
your wardrobe or? 

800
00:48:55,720 --> 00:49:02,920
Just the 19 year old, he's 6 
foot five are gorgeous and he's 

801
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:07,280
grown his hair very long and his
larger than life character is 

802
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,880
always smiling. 
And when he walks in a room, you

803
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:13,920
know, he's stepped in a room. 
I mean, we were at Glastonbury 

804
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,840
and I was looking around for him
because, you know, everyone gets

805
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,520
lost, don't they? 
Well, you, it's very hard to 

806
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:22,400
lose me and him in a crowd 
because of our heights. 

807
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:26,480
But he has this energy and 
presence and flamboyance about 

808
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,480
him. 
So he he comes, I see it from a 

809
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:32,360
distance, heading towards me 
with these wide strides and this

810
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:36,040
coat flapping that I recognise 
immediately. 

811
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:36,560
It's. 
Yours. 

812
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:39,200
It's mine. 
Wonderful. 

813
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,640
Had he told you he was 
borrowing? 

814
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:46,840
No McCartney. 
Stella McCartney at Glastonbury.

815
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,240
So when we were backstage with 
Dad, I managed to retrieve that 

816
00:49:50,240 --> 00:49:53,360
coat before it got ruined. 
But yeah, I mean, there was a 

817
00:49:53,360 --> 00:50:00,400
full length leopard print 
McCartney flapping in the wind 

818
00:50:00,720 --> 00:50:05,480
and he had like this hat on and 
his wide flared jeans looking 

819
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,560
amazing. 
I was going to say, but secretly

820
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:12,560
there was a proud mum. 
Oh my God. 

821
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:17,240
There he is. 
Fabulous. 

822
00:50:17,240 --> 00:50:19,040
Oh, I love that. 
So he's not afraid. 

823
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,800
Whereas my 14 year old is a 
typical 14 year old. 

824
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,600
They all want to look the same. 
It's like a uniform. 

825
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:29,960
Do you ever look at the 19 year 
old and see him styled up and 

826
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:33,600
think, God that coat actually 
looks better on you than it ever

827
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:38,240
did on the I know. 
Well, the the Dres Van Norton. 

828
00:50:38,240 --> 00:50:38,920
Dres. 
Van Note. 

829
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:40,320
Yes, that one. 
Thank you. 

830
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,760
Trousers that I, I got the other
day from liberties. 

831
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:47,640
I put them on and all I could 
think was Oh well, Alice is 

832
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,840
going to have these. 
He'll go, oh that's nice mum. 

833
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,440
And yeah, that would be 
disappearing anytime soon. 

834
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:58,080
In fact, Rod often says half my 
wardrobes in my son's wardrobe 

835
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:00,040
now, so I'll go looking for 
things. 

836
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,480
We just go looking in Alistair's
closet because there they are. 

837
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:09,440
Now, if you were to ask Rod to 
sum up your style DNA in three 

838
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:13,080
words, what do you think those 3
words would be? 

839
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:18,880
Sexy hot legs. 
That I loved that. 

840
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:23,440
Oh my God, who's? 
That knocking on my door. 

841
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:29,840
Rod had a musical on stage in 
London and the gala opening 

842
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:36,080
night was money to raise for the
RNIB and Rod had this wonderful 

843
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:40,120
idea that Penny Lancaster, my 
girlfriend will perform on that 

844
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,760
night. 
But I had to audition in front 

845
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,080
of Ben Elton and and Phil 
McIntyre. 

846
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:50,720
But I got the the part and I 
came on stage performing hot 

847
00:51:50,720 --> 00:51:53,600
legs, dancing and singing hot 
legs. 

848
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:54,520
Great. 
What would you wear? 

849
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:59,280
What were you wearing for that? 
It was a very, very, extremely 

850
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:02,720
short number. 
Yeah, it had these red rose 

851
00:52:02,720 --> 00:52:06,440
prints on it and then a black 
little ruffle thing with just a 

852
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,560
like, almost like Dolce bra 
strap thing going on. 

853
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:15,200
He had picked it down. 
Yes, it was stretchy and tight 

854
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,480
and short, stretchy and sexy, 
stretchy and sexy. 

855
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:23,400
It was a sexy hot leg outfit. 
Would you say you've had a worst

856
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:26,840
fashion moment? 
Oh my gosh, I've had lots of bad

857
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:31,040
fashion moments. 
Any particular ones that sort of

858
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:34,600
stick in your brain and think oh
God why did I do it? 

859
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:39,240
Not one in particular that they 
are just they are lot lots of 

860
00:52:39,240 --> 00:52:44,240
violence. 
Now you've talked about you 

861
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:47,760
struggled with your weight 
during menopause and post IVF. 

862
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:54,320
What's your approach now to sort
of fitness and exercise? 

863
00:52:55,360 --> 00:53:00,440
Well, now in my 50s, we all know
that we get to a stage where our

864
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:05,800
bones can become more brittle 
because of osteoporosis. 

865
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,960
And I think that's exacerbated 
by having children because your 

866
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:12,120
baby inside will always be OK 
because it will take from you. 

867
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:13,640
Sucks it up. 
Yeah. 

868
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,840
And also we get a depletion of 
muscle. 

869
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:21,800
So we're almost for fighting 
against the tide. 

870
00:53:22,720 --> 00:53:25,720
Women are always afraid of 
weight bearing exercises because

871
00:53:25,720 --> 00:53:26,720
they think they're going to 
bowlk up. 

872
00:53:26,720 --> 00:53:31,320
They're not going to bowlk up. 
So weight bearing exercise is it

873
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:34,920
is it is the definite you know, 
you, you have to do that to, to 

874
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:39,120
lay down calcium in your bones 
and to combat the the loss of 

875
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:42,520
muscle as you get older. 
So I do three times a week 

876
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:44,440
weight bearing. 
Exercises. 

877
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:52,560
Good for you, Good for you. 
Let's spin on to your approach 

878
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:57,280
to sustainable fashion. 
So I'm a bit of a hoarder. 

879
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:02,880
So I do hold on to sort of what 
I see is that for me, iconic 

880
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,240
outfits that I wore on a special
occasion. 

881
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:09,560
So I kind of store those up in 
in a memory bag. 

882
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:12,600
But what I do every so often do 
with my friends is I have a 

883
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:14,880
penny row. 
And so my friends will come 

884
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:19,840
round and, and we'll have this 
kind of like coffee cake colour 

885
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:21,760
of afternoon. 
And everyone goes through my 

886
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:25,080
rows of stuff that I'm, I know 
I'm never going to wear again. 

887
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:28,880
And they each, you know, put 
money in a pot for it or, or I 

888
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:31,920
give it away to charity for to 
the British Heart Foundation. 

889
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:35,120
You could box anything up and 
they'll come and take it for 

890
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:37,040
you. 
And you know, it's going to go 

891
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:40,440
to a, a better home, you know, 
be and be loved again. 

892
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:41,280
Yeah. 
So. 

893
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:45,720
And any of Rod's stuff goes that
way, or all of his stuff is 

894
00:54:45,720 --> 00:54:49,800
archived. 
Some of Rod's stuff goes to 

895
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:54,600
charity, he signs it, whether 
it's suits or shoes, because 

896
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:56,840
that does raise a lot of money 
for charity. 

897
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:02,040
But my, my, my boy Alistair has 
found some of his 80s suits that

898
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,640
he wears now. 
In fact, I wore one of Rod's 80s

899
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:07,440
suits on Lorraine the other day.
I bet it was great. 

900
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:14,120
It it, it was Jean Paul Gautier.
Fantastic, beautiful, very quite

901
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:18,600
thin, transparent like a crepe 
almost in a in a dark maroon 

902
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:22,120
with this very very fine 
pinstripe cream pinstripe. 

903
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:27,840
Amazing fitted, fits me and my 
son like beautifully because in 

904
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:31,920
the 80s they used to puddle with
with material on the floor and 

905
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,800
now they they fit for us taller 
people perfectly. 

906
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,040
Let's spin on to some quick fire
questions. 

907
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:41,280
What fashion advice would you 
give your 20 year old self? 

908
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:47,520
Don't follow the crowd fashion 
trend you would most like to see

909
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,360
make a comeback. 
I I love a big shoulder pad. 

910
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:53,480
They come in and out don't they?
And and leopard print that never

911
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:56,160
goes out of star. 
Never goes out fashionable 

912
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:59,000
beauty trend you would consign 
to room 101. 

913
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:03,480
Those crazy eyebrows. 
You'd be amazed how many people 

914
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:06,280
say that. 
Your last impulse buy? 

915
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:10,960
Not that impulsive. 
I really do think about, yeah. 

916
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:18,480
Then your views on tattoos. 
She's stripping. 

917
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,400
This one I got a couple of years
ago. 

918
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:28,280
Very, very fine line. 
And two swallows, sort of 

919
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:32,560
representative of my two sons 
that will fly the nest but will 

920
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:37,600
always come back and they're 
forever brothers. 

921
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:42,200
Oh beautiful, love that grooming
or well-being treatment. 

922
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:46,200
You couldn't give up. 
I, I, I love to indulge in, in 

923
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:54,000
a, in a, in a bath with some 
really creamy bubble bath or 

924
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:59,600
sorts, burning a candle and and 
occasionally indulging in a 

925
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:03,080
glass of wine in said bath in 
said bath. 

926
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:06,400
And are you bathing alone? 
Bathing alone. 

927
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:08,760
Yeah, yeah. 
High maintenance, low 

928
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:12,240
maintenance, low high end or 
High Street? 

929
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:19,840
Nixon match Crocs, cute or puke?
Oh, no sports Lux or 

930
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:22,520
rock'n'roll. 
Rock'n'roll. 

931
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:25,240
Cashmere or cotton? 
Cashmere. 

932
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:31,120
Trend or style? 
Style, colour or monochrome? 

933
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:36,200
Monochrome pattern or plain? 
Plain. 

934
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:39,360
Order or editor? 
Oh my God, Holder. 

935
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:42,280
Oh. 
Jesus charity shop or resale, 

936
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:51,040
resale shapewear or lingerie, 
lingerie tights, stockings or 

937
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:57,600
hold UPS, Hold UPS, bikini or 
one piece bikini. 

938
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,880
And finally, traditional last 
question at the end of the day, 

939
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:04,080
what do you or don't you wear in
bed? 

940
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:11,520
I normally sleep with my 
moisturizer on. 

941
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:19,000
Penny, thank you so much. 
What a lovely. 

942
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:22,400
Conversation really, really 
nice. 

943
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:24,480
Really enjoyed that, thank you 
for coming.