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journey with the award-winning BBC Radio host, TV fashion
presenter and influencer, the fabulous and joyous Joe Good.
Hello and welcome, Joe. Am I the oldest person you've
had on this podcast? Not by a long way.
Really. Not by a long way.
But now I've said that I can't say who's the name.
You're going to qualify it because I've I've I've actually
watched most of them. I've watched them and very.
Good, I'm. Playing.
Oh my gosh, well, you get the people.
I can't get to Amanda. But on my way over I just
thought, goodness me, I am the oldest I think.
No, not, not at all. And I embrace all ages because
I, well, you know my attitude to age.
We've been there and talked about it on Sheer Lux on on the
Gold Show, which I did have an issue about being pigeonholed
into the Gold Show You. Said to me, I don't do this 50
plus thing. And I thought, gosh, right, OK,
no, you're right. You're right not to.
It's it's very easy to be pigeonholed.
Having said that, Amanda, I've like, I've come into a whole new
chapter because I'm diverse. I'm old, you know, so I'm I'm
almost a box tick, but. Stop saying you're old in your
head. What's your age?
Oh, in my head I'm 18. Yeah, truly, I'm. 18 I am a
child. I am a child, you know, so this
is, and I don't want to get controversial and I'm sure
people will comment about this. I believe it's because I've
never had a had children and I've never wanted children.
So I've never handed the baton over to a younger version of
myself or to the next generation.
I've never done that. So I'm just living in this
blinkered world of I'm just still the person I was, which is
18. And it's only when you see
yourself, you know, and it's that cliche, I see myself in a
shop window or I see myself on screen, and you think, oh,
Blimey, you know, actually the years have taken their toll, as
they will. And you're 70 and I'm 70.
It's interesting what you say about not having children and so
never passed the baton because I'm I'm in those shoes.
Too very few of. Us and I hadn't I'd never
thought of it like that. I've always thought I'm
somewhere in my 30s in my head and and my body and I keep
treating my body as though I'm somewhere in my 30s, despite the
fact that occasionally it breaks on me.
But but that's a a very, very interesting point.
When you sadly lost your mother last year, yes.
Did you? Did that change your perception
of your age? Oh my gosh, I could go on about
this forever. It made me stop and think about
my life, which I've never stopped.
I've never navel gazed. I've always just kept going.
When she went and I spent the last week of her life with her,
I then did I I then thought ahead and thought, OK, so what's
the legacy? What is my legacy?
Because I read somewhere, and I'm sorry this is bringing the
mood down right at the beginning, but I meant some read
somewhere that women who are elderly on their deathbed, she
died of old age, like to see their legacy.
They like to see that their house is in order.
And though she never encouraged me to have children, I think she
was quite relieved I never had them.
I wondered what she was thinking as she was passing, when her
life was being played out. Was she thinking, gosh, Joe's in
a good place? Or is Joe still as unreliable
and still as insecure and maniacal as she's always been?
Because I've never done. I've never really played by the
rules. You know, I don't have the man,
I don't have the kids. I have my wonderful life.
I have a wonderful life. But I've carved that out for
myself. And I like to think she, she
knew me well enough to know I Will Survive and I will always
survive. But there was no, oh gosh,
there's Joe and there's my grandchildren.
She didn't have all that. Have you ever thought about it?
I have, and I'm lucky enough to still have my wonderful mummy
and, and I know that that's a real privilege.
And I'm, I think there will be a moment that, that you come, you
have that reckoning. And but I do also strongly
believe I have no issue with my age.
I'm proud of it. But I think if you constantly
repeat, repeat, repeat your age, you become it.
And so I'm quite a big believer in being ageless, yes, not in
denial, but just in not feeding my subconscious that I'm ex age
or ex years. So that your subpunch, your
brain starts feeding that into your body.
I mean, I know some people will go, oh, for goodness sake, what
are you talking about? But actually there is science
behind that. I'm sure there is.
I'm sure because you're reiterating it in your own mind.
I think I'm I'm my own worst enemy in that.
And I remember when I did this, when I was doing the styling
item on ITV on This morning, it was like I had Tourette's.
I actually opened my mouth when Cat Deeley through to me and I
went, well, I've just turned 70. And as I said it, I just
thought, why are you saying this?
Are you saying this because you want applause?
You saying it to to convince them.
Well, look how amazing I look at 70.
Why did I say it? But it it set a pattern.
Then everybody kept contacting me saying, wow, you're 70.
And I thought, right, you did that to yourself.
And I still don't know why I did it.
And interestingly, I mean, we'll, we'll come onto it, but
but your Instagram handle is middle-aged minx.
And do you know my trolls, of which I have many, said to me?
Well, they didn't say to me at all.
They just write on various websites.
Well, that boat sailed a long time ago and I know out, but
part of me loves them, part of me just thinks they're very
funny. Some of them are really
intelligent, others not so. But yes, middle-aged minks and
and you know, once you have a handle, you can't change it.
So it's just stuck now. But can you evolve to just be
Joe Good? I think, yeah, I probably could,
but there's so much middle-aged minx stuff out there now, I
don't want to risk it, but. Also, you're such a minx.
You've got a minx. I am a minx.
You've got to keep it. I mean, sod the middle-aged.
Yeah, totally. You know, sod the middle-aged.
You're not the middle. Aged yet?
I'm not and I'm dreading that chapter.
That's a whole other podcast. It's a whole other podcast.
Oh. Goodness.
But The Gold Show, when you were approached to do the Gold Show,
did that at any moment sort of make you think, oof, but am I?
Am I gold? Am I?
Am I that? Age bracket, do you know, isn't
it interesting if it had been anyone else but Sheer Lux and we
met through Sheer Lux and I said to you just now they are
unashamedly fashionistas and you go in that place, you know, you
go and you come out so happy. Yeah, because at the moment
you've entered, they've they've made three Tik Toks of you.
You're out all over the place. I was at the time I thought,
course, do I want to be polarised like that?
But then when I they gave me the line up of the people I was
going to interview on the very first show, I thought, God, I
can't get to these people. So yes, I'll do it.
And then, you know, when you're in there, they do Revere us.
All those youngsters in the office literally revered us.
And it's what I've said for quite some time now in that I do
believe the age gap is narrowing.
They don't see us as old women, you know, making the best of
their lives. They literally see us as Trail
Blazers. They have, honestly, they have
nothing but respect for us. So yes, we are representing a
different generation, but with all their respect and they know
they can't do those interviews. We do them, yeah.
It's funny, it reminds me of I went to an event that a friend
was hosting and I ended up in this sort of group of very
varied range of, of age range of girls.
And we had such fun together. And by the end of the afternoon
I was I was nicknamed the Oracle.
What a compliment there. Wasn't it such a compliment?
Actually, I loved it. It was the most charming way of
saying, actually you've got a lot of wisdom.
So much wisdom and especially born in the time you were born
and being a success at the time, you were a success when there
was no social media to promote you.
You had to get there through talent basically.
And you did, you know, top of your game.
But right back at you. You started out as an actress.
Yes. I do remember you on Crossroads.
How many? What was the viewing figures of
that they were? 25,000,000 a night, five nights
a week, I mean. It's not social media.
Totally, totally them, but they're not.
But Amanda, come on. This was not credible.
When I was at drama school, everyone wanted to go to the
Royal Shakespeare Company or the National Theatre.
I wanted to be in Crossroads. You know, I was desperate to be
in Crossroads. And.
Why? I, my grandmother used to have
it on at 6:30 every night. You know that dung, dung, dung,
dung. And, and I grew up with it And
I, it's why I love watching reality.
I love watching people's lives play out.
Even though it was a soap, I love watching the modernity of
just domestic life. I've always loved it.
And, and so when I went to audition for it, the guy, Jack
Barton, who was the producer, brought out a file that was this
thick. He went, I've got letters from
you from when you were like 18 years of age.
And I said yes because I was desperate to be on it.
So when I got the gig, I was so happy.
So happy. And to a degree, what Crossroads
was then is almost what a lot of YouTube and social media is now.
Because it is this is my life. Exactly that.
And it was. This was the crossroads.
Life, the crossroads life. There were no big dramas.
It was, you know, there was no, it wasn't like Dallas even.
There was not a lot happening in those chalets.
It was just those chalets with Benny, you know, and I, I just,
I, I worked for. I don't know if you remember,
you might have known her. Sue Lloyd.
Did you know Sue Lloyd? Yes.
She married Ronnie Allen. Sue Lloyd was a model and then.
Yeah, became an actress and married Ronnie Allen in the show
and out of the show. And my storyline was I worked
for them in the coach house and they literally adopted me.
And they did in real life because I was really young.
So I lived with them in Birmingham.
Because screen life did sort of blur into it did personal life,
didn't it? And I ended up having an affair
with the guy I was having an affair with in Crossroads and
out of Crossroads, which happens.
I see this happening soaps a lot because you spend so much time.
Yeah. And And yes.
So that was that was front page news on Valentine's Day because
we'd been packed coming out of a restaurant in Birmingham.
And I remember calling my parents and saying, oh, gosh,
there might be something in the papers, but just ignore it, you
know? And they had no idea half the
time. My parents had no idea what I
was getting up to most of my life.
Didn't they? They saw you every day on
Crossroads. They saw.
Me every day. I don't know if they watched it.
I mean, it was like one of the, as I say, Marmite.
It was like, I don't know if they were proud that I was in
Crossroads on, you know, they were just happy.
I was happy basically. They didn't expect a lot from my
brother and I and they didn't get either, you know, we just
did our own thing and and yeah, I warned them about that and it,
and it came out and now I laugh about it.
At the time you've been on front pages at the time you, you are
completely traumatised. But then it is, as the cliche
goes, fish and chip. Well, I was going to say back
then it was tomorrow's ship paper, wasn't it?
Totally unlike now. But then you went on into radio
and what, what is the difference to you in terms of, you know,
what, what do you really feel when you're on air with radio
versus acting? Do you know, do you remember
Annie Nightingale? Yes.
So Annie Nightingale, she said, and I God rest her soul, she was
wonderful. She said, I'm happier in my
studio than anywhere else. It's like a womb.
And it's, it's I just, when I heard her say that, I just
thought that's how I feel. My studio is a womb.
I've, I've gone on air over the death of people I love hugely
over the death of you get this, my animals.
And you go out and you just do it.
And you can secretly weep. No one sees you, the listeners,
when they know you really well. And my listeners have stuck with
me for years. They know when I'm upset.
And I, I, I've since I've matured, I've broken down on air
so many times. And the thought when I was
younger of doing that would have mortified me.
But now I just cry and I say, I'm really sorry.
I'm just, I'm crying at the moment.
This is and then you get on with it.
They forgive you, you. You're in this.
Wonder they're with. You, they're with you all the
time and I've dealt with Grenfell, I've dealt with dealt
with news stories that are Diana.
I was on air when Diana died and that was a hugely privileged
place to be because when she died, and I know she was a
friend of yours, but when she died there was nowhere for
anyone to call but their local radio station.
The phones were off the hook and people just wanting to grieve,
just to say anything to us and that will never happen again.
I'm convinced of it it. Was a.
It was a. National outpouring of grief.
Wasn't it unbelievable? And you know, those are
different days. There was no social media and
that people just couldn't voice And, and I was in my studio.
And, and so in answer to your question of all of the stuff I
do, radio is where I'm so happy. It's where I'm happiest.
And then what was the evolution into YouTube content creation?
Do you know what? Because you still do your radio.
I love my. Radio love it and and I and this
you may keep in all you may keep out.
And if my agent was here now, he'd say shut up.
But I'm going to say it. My journey with the BBC has been
bumpy over the past few years. Well, you and many.
Others, and I'm now the oldest radio presenter who has a
regular job on the BBC that's staying in and that thank you.
But that was, I think, down to my listeners who wanted me to
stay and Parliament. I ended up being a question in
Parliament about, you know, Joe Good, what's going to happen to
Joe Good with all these changes at BBC London?
So I was given a national show and I'm really lucky because I
was hanging by my fingernails. And do you feel safe and secure
in that role? I do now.
I think I do because to go back to why did I stand up and say
I'm 70? It it's my Get Me Out of jail
card. I'm diverse and my agent will
kill me if this goes no, but it's true.
It's like I'm now, you know, you need me because I'm the older
voice there and I am because there's lots of youngsters come
up and it's like you, I'm the Oracle.
I was going to say you are the Oracle.
Truly. Because as you say, wisdom has a
huge amount of value, so. And I think your openness is so
it, it's so lovely the fact that you say I am childless, I chose
to be childless. That's, you know, that's a lot
of people will relate to that and go, oh, it's not just me
that chose to be alternative to society's norms.
And I, you know, people, I have friends who say that they're
stigmatized for it. And I've no one has ever
questioned me. And I think that's because of
the our generation now, no one has ever.
I've never sat at a dinner party and someone said, well, why
haven't you? God, haven't you?
I have been asked dozens of times.
Have you? Yes, yes.
And it's most of the time I'm fine about it, but every now and
then it's right in your face and really quite offensive.
Yes. Like, is it wrong that I decided
for whatever reason and actually it's none of your business?
It's none of your business, but I think people think you're
selfish. Yeah.
I think that's what they think. Gosh, she's selfishly living her
life herself. Well, you're probably one of the
most generous people I know. I mean, how our carbon
footprint, sorry, don't get me off on this.
It's negligible compared to all those people with kids and
nappies and plastic toys. Now, while we're on carbon
footprints, yes, we're talking about clothes today and style,
yes. So let's kick off with what are
you wearing today, because you look fantastic.
Thank you. I am wearing this is from a
designer, a mother and daughter designer called Phoebe Grace,
who unfortunately no longer design.
I know. So if you I'm sending them this
podcast because I keep saying to them, please come back.
I love supporting young designers and London designers
and I realise I do that a lot unknowingly because I go to a
lot of pop ups in London. I live on London on Marylebone
High Street. There's always pop ups come and
they had a pop up and Phoebe then had children.
This goes back to my earlier topic of children.
So she had children and felt that she should give her time to
her children. And that's what happens, and
probably it should. So they've stopped.
But it's Phoebe Grace, and you can still find some of them on
Vestia, I think. And then I'm wearing these
massive Stella McCartney platforms.
And as Stella McCartney says, every short woman loves me
because of these. I love it, I love it.
But going back to the beginning, you grew up for some time in
Australia, Yes? And.
Were you sun damage? Oh, join the club, do you?
Do you have memories because you moved to England when you were,
what, 11? 13. 13 Yes.
Do you have memories of what you were wearing and what you were
doing? Oh my gosh, in Australia.
Oh my gosh, yes. I think the reason I love colour
so much is because of my Australian upbringing.
Everything was colourful. It was really colourful.
There was, there was no subtlety about Australia in the 60s, well
late 50s and 60s. And it was like the orange of
the, I had a, what we use called a muumuu in Australia, which was
an, A line dress in the colour of those tulips, a lovely burnt
olive orange. In my childhood in Australia it
was all bright clothing. We had uniform.
I went to a private girls school in Australia but a a state
school here in England. So I had a very rounded
education. And I heard Liz Earl when she
came on here and she said her first touch with fashion was her
school uniform. And it probably is the same with
all of us. And it's who customized their
uniform and who just did as they were told.
You will have customized. I will have customized Liz.
You could tell the ones that did.
So what was your school uniform? So, Oh my God, so it was the
opposite. It was like we were dressed in
like sackcloth and ashes. I mean, we were dressed in a way
they thought English public schools were dressed, but they
were over here they'd they were far more liberal.
We were wearing gloves, fawn gloves, would you believe?
And to get through the gates you had to do this to the prefects
to show you had both gloves on clean and that you hadn't you
lost one because the girls that had had their hands in their
pockets, detention, I mean extraordinary Boaters and Lyle
stockings, stockings. This was before the tights came
in, stockings with suspenders. Nothing sexy at all.
I mean, really awful because they wouldn't stay up and you
know, the the gym slip that went flat and shiny on the back
awful. But we all customize them and.
What colour? Navy blue, Navy blue with beige
Lyle stockings. Can you believe and?
And beige gloves and beige. Gloves.
And how did you customize? So we had what was called over
there, different meaning here, a girdle.
So it was like, it was like a dressing gown called that we had
round and each one had a colour representing the house we were
in. So I pulled, which I still do to
this day, pulled mine right up, roost it over and it was on the
knee. But you could only do that once
you'd left the school gates. And I would do it on the train
home. I would sit there.
I had my hiking, I would steam my boater so that I could bend
the rim instead of it like this. It would bend.
So you had a Stetson, so I. Had like a Stetson and but that
that was like that was the most we could do.
But many of the girls never bothered.
But you could see the ones that had an eye for fashion very
early on. And then you're back over in
England. Yeah.
Aged 13. Yeah.
Having worn a very strict school uniform.
Yeah. And then what were you wearing
to school? So then I went to Horsham High
School for Girls, which was a state school, far more liberal.
When we got into the sixth form, we could wear what we liked.
And it was, I remember Mary Quant was, she was designing
for, Can you believe this, Freeman's catalog, because
that's where I got my first quant from.
And I was Horsham is just outside of London.
It's 50 miles. So we would hitch, hitch to get
into the Kings Rd. down to Kensington Market, down to
Granny takes a trip. I would shop at Bus Stop or
Chelsea Girl or Snob. But you know Amanda, it was like
it was you. Your pocket money only went so
far. So every purchase really meant
something because you will have saved for weeks, months to get
that wet look handbag or the wet look boots.
Do you know what I mean? It was.
But do you remember the very first time that you put
something on and it just made you feel different?
Yes I do and that was a caftan from, it was called Horsham
Galleries. It was the only shop in Horsham
that I would ever have shopped in that was an independent that
had its own style. And it was at the time when I
was in the Lower 6th I suppose. And I was, they had they had the
kaftans that smelt of India. Do you remember with the hood
and I, it was far too long for me, which everything has been
for the whole of my life. Everything I've ever worn has
hems this big. But I could wear my wedges from
Snob underneath it and it would brush the ground.
I didn't have to take it up. I had beads around my neck.
I know this sounds ridiculous. And a hood that I could just
wear as a frame to my face. And the reason this made a
difference was I was wearing it and then a photographer from the
original Glastonbury album. Before it was called
Glastonbury, it was a festival called Something Fair.
I think it was maybe called Glastonbury Fair.
Anyways, the original Glastonbury album plot me on
Horsham Station and said can I take your photograph for this
album? And I was a hippie, young hippie
schoolgirl basically. And they did.
And it's in this album. If anyone's got it, have you
still got it? Well, one of one of my listeners
has it and sent me a picture of it and I'm under it was actually
photographed in Bratwell Park in, in London in this in this
caftan and it and the whole reason I'm telling this very
long winded story is it made me feel great and it made someone
notice me. And what colour was it?
It was like it was all different ethnic colours, so it was like
muddy brown and a bit of blue and a bit of yellow and a bit of
white all swirl. I was going to say, was it
Paisley? Paisley it Paisley But do you
remember the colour of those ethnic?
Do you remember? Do you remember it was like all
the stuff brought in from India that wasn't cured, all the
Afghan coats? Those Afghan coats.
A wet day on a bus. You could empty it they.
Honked, but they looked great. Fabulous, fabulous.
Yeah. Oh God.
By wearing Navy as a school uniform, has that put you off
Navy in any way? It did until now.
And I now realise that Navy is a lot kinder than black.
For every time I say this, I have to because I know your take
on it. For a woman of maturity, I do
think Navy's kinder. If I wear black, I will break it
up, you know, into monochrome. I do.
I still love black. I absolutely love it.
But I think Navy's actually kinder, Yeah.
Now, you were an actress for many years.
How much did your costume play a part in you getting into the
part? This is such an interesting
question because I also think being an actress made me not
cosplay because there was no such word when I was.
But dress, I still dress in character for events, you know,
I would, I would love. I was watching you interviewing
Sophie Habu and she arrived in her gym gear and everything.
And I just thought, Oh my God, that's so confident.
I'm going to see Amanda Wakeley. I am dressing.
Do you know what I mean? And I do it or I dress.
And that's the, that's the, I think that's the leftover from
being an actress. So do you?
Do you still dress for your audience rather than for you?
Both. Both.
It will be what I want. But I will dress for, yes, for
my audience, for the event I'm going to.
I will. I will wear a costume for it,
what I think is the costume for it.
But to go back to when I was an actress, yes.
And that's why you'll get many actors still say give me the
shoes, Just give me the shoes. If you give me the shoes, I can
find the character. And yeah, Beryl Cookoys used to
say that. And were you very involved with
what you wore on Crossroads, for example?
And I can send you some pictures of what I've wore on Crossroads.
Because there was no budget, so we we supplied our own clothes.
Great. So yes, but I was playing a car
mechanic so I was wearing my ex husbands.
We haven't even talked about him, but that was a very brief
but fabulous marriage, but very brief.
And he ended up in neighbors. So he ended up going to
Australia in Neighbors, which was like the sister show to
Crossroads. But I was wearing his rugby
shirts, Oshkosh dungarees that were mine.
Do you remember Oshkosh, his old jackets?
Because I was playing a car mechanic and we, yeah, we had to
supply all our own clothes. So no budget, No budget.
But I was also and in The Bill 18 times, playing different
characters in The Bill, always in the same pair of jeans
because they did have a wardrobe, apartment department,
should I say. But because I was so, so small,
the choice of jeans was limited. And they'd say, we've got some
jeans and I'd go, no, I know I wore those in the last.
So, yeah. So costumes, very important,
very important in the character. Always lovely if you've got a
glamorous role, which I ended up playing a lot of whores and
tarts. Did you keep any of your
costumes? No.
By the looks of your face, you wouldn't have wanted no.
Not at all. Not at all.
Were there any parts that you would have loved to have had
that you didn't, possibly because of the costumes?
I was desperate. I really wanted Do you remember
a show called Angels? Do you remember it was all about
nurses? I was it was on the BBCI really
wanted to wear a proper nurses. You know when they had starched
yes, starched with the cuffs and a great height add height,
always add height and and and angels because it was in the
70s. They wore those really smart.
Nothing kinky about it. I just wanted to wear a nurses
outfit. Never got.
I auditioned for that three times, never got it.
But you were. You said you were married in the
late 70s. Yes.
Describe your wedding dress to me.
Oh my gosh, thank you. And I don't think I've ever
talked about this. My wedding dress was from
Kensington Market. Find any pictures Oh.
No, there are no because there was no social media.
Also he was on stage in a show called Elvis at the time playing
one of the Elvises. I was on stage in the West End
in a play called Once a Catholic.
We only had the day off. We had our reception at the
Astoria in the West End, which is now being pulled down.
My wedding dress was from a. Do you remember the label
forbidden fruit? I think you're too young.
Damn it. Those who are in my age group
will remember forbidden fruit again.
They came in from India. They were big, heavy velvet
dresses, very, very heavy with a sort of Amanda.
You'd know how to describe this. It was like a A plate that had
embroidery on, and from the embroidery fell these folds of
velvet, smocked like it was smocked around this template
basically, and the back was all heavily pleated velvet with bell
sleeves. Must have weighed a ton.
It would snap hangers, those cheap plastic hangers, but you
never needed to hang it because there was no.
Way. Deep red.
Really deep red. Oh, I need a picture of.
That of course, I'm going to try and find you one.
And then a skull cap, A beaded skull cap because I had very
long hair. Also from Kensington.
Oh no, it might have been from Antiquarius.
I think the skull cap was from Antiquarius.
And then Chelsea girl kitten heeled boots.
I mean, what a mishmash of style.
Truly, I thought I looked wonderful.
When did you discover platforms? As soon as they came out,
because of being 5 foot tall, God, I embrace them.
I embrace them. I think I discovered them
probably just as I was leaving school.
So the wedges and then the platform in 1970 it would have
been. And they've been my friend ever
since. Favorite brand?
Stella. Do you have tiny?
Feet as welly feet. So what size would get to weight
3? Question do you ever buy kids
sneakers or? No, I used to buy kids jeans but
I now love things very large on me.
I quite like being a waif in big clothes and that's changed over
the years. That is fascinating because as 5
foot you could find it quite restrictive.
Very but but the Joe I know has always just embraced volume.
And yes, scale and that's come through age because I, you know,
and a lot of my critics would say, Joe, you know, you'd suit
something more tailored. Well, I don't because it makes
me look. Smaller I I love the way you
wear these, sort of very oversized.
Yes, and that you know that I've learnt that over the years to
embrace and and also I do this series with Nadeem Baggert
called The Long and the Short of it, where I realize it's easier
to shop for my size, for my height.
I don't know whether you agree with this than when you're tall.
I have envied you. I've wanted to be.
I've wanted to be average height all my life, but I'd love to
have been tall. But I realize I have more
choice. You have so much more choice.
And, you know, there's times that I, I sort of want that
floor sweeping coat. It's waving around my calves and
it's just lost all the drama and all the proportion.
Yeah. And so, yes, I I hear what
you're saying. That you can go out in flats and
not think, God, I'm, I'm almost disappearing.
You know you, you have, you have a lot of choice.
But that's the lovely thing about platforms is you don't
feel like you're totter touring around because if you have a
good old platform on the front. Oh.
My gosh, it's all proportions. It's fabulous.
I can run in these. When did you do you think you've
found your sense of proportion? Very late.
When I look back at a lot of what I was wearing, I have a
very good friend, he's an actor who says to me, Joe, you look
like you'd won the pool. I mean, I, I was wearing these
very fitted tailored trouser suits and you taught me, Gosh,
I've used this. You taught me.
You didn't you didn't mean to teach me, but you came out with
this as you get older, don't be neat, don't have matching leave
stuff at the said. Well, I had matching handbags,
shoes, lipstick, bow, you know, trouser suit.
I did look like I'd won the pools and and I was like that
for many years. And I think I I started probably
in my 50s to find my true style. Yes, it's interesting, you know,
when people find their style. DNA.
So true, so true. Do you have a style icon?
Yes, I love. Do you know how to pronounce her
name? Gresha Ganem.
Oh yes, yes, I know who you're talking about.
Do I know how to pronounce her name?
Not a clue but. Nadine calls her greasy Ganem.
Forgive me if you're watching, but I'm always banging the drum
for you. She is.
And she's only on Instagram. I mean, she's on social media.
She's not come from anywhere, no other than social media.
But the two of you, I mean, you should do a joint post because.
Try and get hold of her is almost impossible.
She so that for me now, but my younger self and I still worship
her is Sienna Miller. Yes, but do you, are you ever
influenced by her? Yes, good.
I am. And I, and I can't believe I'm
saying this, I know I'm a real snob when it comes to labels, so
I don't shop in the High Street very often.
Interesting. Now, and this could lead on to
sustainability and I can back it up, but I don't.
I used to and as I and this sounds so awful.
As I become more successful, I don't.
So I you didn't spend. More.
I just spend, no, I spend what I earn because as I said, I don't
have kids. I'm not having to pay for school
fees, school shoes, uniforms, you know, money to go and
Disneyland I don't have, I don't have to do any of that.
So it all comes back on me. And she, when she went to Marks
and Spencer's, I was I then. I was then in Marks and Spencer.
I hadn't been in Marks and Spencer's for years.
It was a very, very clever movie.
Oh. My goodness.
And now she's with Frame. Yeah.
Best change you can get. Yeah, yeah.
But lovely to hear that you are influenced by someone that's a
good few decades younger than you.
Of course, yeah. And I think that's very clever
that M&S have chosen her as, isn't it at, you know, as an
icon? Because.
And you know why? Because she's a hippie chick.
Yeah. And that's me revisiting my
youth. Yeah.
So it is very clever. Yeah, I, I'm, I'm with you
there. It's a bit like I, I always
think Sienna and Kate, they're, they're the same sort of, you
know, endlessly cool, aren't they women that are girls that
we just, we just take inspiration.
Totally. And they were there with vintage
long before anybody long. Before long, long before, would
you say you had a worst fashion moment?
I gosh, was it you're won the pools.
I think it's me looking like I've won the pools which endured
for many years yes, but it you know you know with trends.
This is why I so love where we are now is there is no trend.
Everything goes everything and we were following trends.
I walls and it was trend faux pas that I was making you know
like transparent fish fishnet T-shirts.
I mean just awful. I mean really awful.
And I remember thinking, God, I'm so cool.
I'm in Amsterdam in this fishnet T-shirt and the photos of it,
you see how unforgiving it was. But were you having fun in it?
Yes, of course. Always, always.
So, but can we just spin back for a second?
So you got into becoming a YouTube, a content creator.
How did that happen? Do you know what my So I lived
in Brighton. I was doing the breakfast show
for the BBC in Brighton when I'd come out of Crossroads.
Because you come out of Crossroads, you can earn money
off the back of it touring #1 tours for so long and then no
one will touch you because you're known for Crossroads.
So and. You're a specific character
totally in Crossroads. So you can play that for a
couple. You can do panto as Carol sounds
from Crossroads. You could.
I did steaming on tour. Then it all dries up and
Brighton, when I was working Brighton as an actress at the
Theatre Royal, they asked me to do a newspaper review.
So I went in and did the paper review and they said, you're
quite gobby, we'll give you a show.
So I ended up doing a radio show.
It was as easy as that. That would never happen now did
the radio show. My agent who represents radio
presenters, not social media or anything else, took me out to
dinner and he said, you must know Zoella, she lives down here
in Brighton. And I went, I've no idea who
you're on about. And he said, oh, she's a
YouTube. She just sits in her bedroom
putting on makeup and packing her bag to go on holiday.
She's like 20, if that. And I said, no, I have no idea.
I've never heard of this person. I go home from that meal, watch
So Ella and I am literally hooked.
I'd never watched anyone on YouTube before ever.
Other than how to repair a plug or something.
Never watched a YouTube and I was mesmerized by her and I just
thought, Oh my God, what is it about you that's made me watch
you for almost an hour? It's this watchability.
She from then having done that, I just thought I can do this.
I can just sit and talk to people.
I sit and talk to people in a studio.
I just sit and talk to people in front of a camera.
So and with no intent of gathering anybody around.
I just thought I like this medium, I like welcoming people
into my home and my life. It's what I do on air.
I'll now do it on YouTube. So I started to do it, posted it
with a with my goddaughter's boyfriend who was still at
school who knew how to I didn't know how to do it, posted it and
it started to grow a following. So to skip forward quite a few
years. So Ella's mum is now one of my
close friends and I ended, I ended up interviewing her
actually about having these extraordinary, extraordinarily
successful kids, Joe Sugg and Zoella, you know, siblings.
And she's just like one of the most normal people I've ever
met. And she went, I had no idea what
was going on. I mean, she, she actually said,
she said this Body Shop truck tried to come down the lane with
products for Zoella. And she went, I didn't know what
she was doing. I know, unbelievable.
So yeah, it was all down to Zoella.
And so you started your YouTube at the same time as your
Instagram? Yes, probably.
Yeah. I fought Instagram.
I'm still not a huge fan of Instagram.
I I don't. I like stuff being played out in
time. I can watch.
Painter, actor in you, Yes. I like the story.
The story. It's like Bride.
I always give Brideshead Revisited.
People said that's such a slow series.
I said it didn't go slow enough. I love watching stuff, playing
it and Instagram was just snacks.
And I still think it's cheating. I'm sorry.
It's just cheating. It's like it's throwing stuff at
me. I want to just watch people.
You and I have a mutual friend, Lydia Mellon, who's been on
this. And I said to you, I know where
she keeps her saucepans. I know the layout of her house.
I know everything. And I'm it's, I feel so
flattered. She allows me.
I mean, she's selling as she says she's selling stuff.
She's an influencer, but she gives me meat with the bread.
Because of your life as an influencer and because you're in
front of the camera the whole time of the cameras in your
home, it's your camera. Has it affected how you live
your life as you know? Do you?
Are you more conscious of keeping things merchandised and
beautiful and. I'm very conscious of what I
have in view and you do start to copy people, you know, these
candle brands that come out. I suddenly think I'd need one of
those in my in the foreground or the background.
I mean, yes, and I need order. I live in a very small flat in
the centre of London. I need order, I need it to be
camera ready at all times because I vlog every single day
there. My my followers are urging me to
do like I did through the wardrobe with you.
And I was so impressed. You let me in.
You let me. And I just thought, Oh my God, I
couldn't let you into mine, Amanda, because there's stuff
hanging everywhere because it's such a small flat.
Yeah. You are very wary.
You're very wary of, of, you're wary of so many things.
I, my skin care becomes this whole procedure in the morning
and night because I'm promoting different brands.
I, I actually do love it. I think, gosh, you know.
What an indulgence. What an indulgence I'm using.
You know, I open my and they quite rightly say, Joe, how can
you be using this when you use this last week and you and I
just say, well, that's what I'm paid to do is try it out.
Yeah. And I only work with the brands
that I like. And talk authentically about.
Your experience? If I didn't use it, I would
never promote it. Yes, but there have been
consequences I've had, you know, shedding skin from using three
types of retinol in a month. That was sensible.
Yeah, ridiculous. But how does it work in terms of
you say you've got this small flat in Marylebone, your front
door must your front doorbell must go a lot and how how do you
handle that? Do you have an assistant that
I'm looking at her, aren't I? Yes, I wish I had an assistant.
A gosh, I would love to have an assistant.
That's, I mean, that's the immoral part of influencing the
stuff that you're sent that you can't, you know, you I, I said,
you know, they send it in the hope that at some point it's
either going to be in the background, you're going to do
an unboxing and I don't do many of.
Those I don't unboxing. I think it's just about the most
pointless thing on the planet. Such consumer It's just inane.
It's immoral and inane. Yes, yes, but but surely they've
got to get your details or or does everyone on Malabon High
Street know where? They do and people say to me,
God, I mean I people say do you not worry?
And I go no, because these women are amazing.
Also, I live in a block that is high, the CCTV everywhere, but
I'll come out and there'll be men and their wives waiting for
me because there's a cafe underneath.
And they go here she comes and the, the man, poor man, has no
idea who I am from Adam. And the wife goes, Oh my gosh,
we've been waiting for you. Is Myrtle the dog here?
And I go and get Myrtle, bring her down.
I, I mean, I love it. They are the most amazing women.
They're amazing. But hang on, does this mean you
can never just pop out? And that's the trouble.
For a pint of milk. That is the trouble.
With no no makeup on. No, I've tried it.
And that will be the time you are literally stopped and, oh,
can I have a selfie and whatever?
Yeah. So yeah, it does change that.
But can I just. There's something when you talk
about the influencing and promoting things as an actress,
I was in a lot of commercials. Exactly.
So I was doing, Oh, no, not another nasty for, you know,
skin care, promoting all kinds of stuff.
And you were paid to do that, to promote it.
Exactly. Yet I had no affinity with the
brand. Yeah, and when influencers get
such a hard time, we are trialling it, we are using it,
we are wearing it in every day. Well, hopefully so, you know, to
be chastised for being an influencer and just promoting
stuff. I did that as an actress all the
time. Yes, I think that is such a good
point, I really do. And they didn't have a lot of
integrity. These commercials, you know, it
was like sillit bang. It was like Wham bang to sell
it, whereas I like to think we do put some creativity into what
we're selling. Well, I.
Think I think you're only going to be successful and then get
repeat work if you're authentic. So, and that's the whole key to
it. There is no hiding place.
So on Instagram, and probably everybody knows this, there's
insights deliver immediately your successes and your
failures. So you, you know, again, on a
television commercial, you can say, oh, this part of the
Maltesers ad, I, you know, did really well.
It may have done well for me, or it may have been someone else
that was. But on Instagram, it's just you.
It it's brutal, isn't it? It's either worked or exactly.
So when you see influencers working again with the same
brand, you should applaud them because it means they've
succeeded, yeah. Now being in front of the camera
the whole time, does that make you very body aware?
Yes, I think I had a bit. I've talked about this before.
I've had eating disorders. I think I probably still have
eating disorders. I think a lot.
Of. And I had them when my dad died.
I think it really kicked off. I think I probably had had them
for most of my life. Looking at myself, typically
through ballet classes, then being an actress, always looking
at myself. Yeah, I'm quite hard on.
I'm quite hard on my body. And still now.
Yes, yes. And how does that manifest
itself? I think in that every single
thing that I eat, I think about. Do you still, even though I
consider myself now healthy at a healthy weight, that's only
because I have to. I have to think it all through.
So yesterday, no, it wasn't. It was Saturday.
I was at a wedding and ate everything knowing that Sunday I
had to really restrict myself. So this isn't healthy, but I but
I remain healthy because I I will eat sensibly but I will
limit what I eat the following day and then maybe the day after
that to balance out the wedding. Now that's crazy.
And exercise. And exercise, that's got better.
So like you, I love yoga. Absolutely love yoga.
Would have run when I was really badly anorexic.
I would have run if I could, but it just didn't suit me.
It doesn't suit me at all. And I'm very active, but I'm
very flexible and running just, I don't know why it just didn't
suit my body. And I do tend to walk.
I do, yes. I'm quite, I'm a very active
person. I don't have, I don't have an
app saying how many steps I should have done or anything
else. I don't do that because that's
really not a good idea. Yeah, but I do yoga every single
day. And Pilates.
Let's talk about hair, makeup and manicures.
You used to have long hairs. I love your hair.
When did you lob it off? I think it was I, I cut it into
what we call the television news Bob when I was doing.
The BBC Television. News Bob It was the Tony and Guy
television. News Bob, Tony and Guy did a
really good everyone went from BBC News to have a Tony and Guy
Bob and I did that in Brighton when I was doing documentaries
for the BBC called Inside Out. So I thought I'd better have a
Tony and Guy Bob. So because did you feel like
you'd be taken more seriously? Yes, yeah.
Well. And I don't know if I was or
not. Then I started to grow it back
and I grew it back till about 10 years ago probably.
And I was doing a yoga class and my yoga teacher always had her
hair in a bun and she undid the bun and it just fell into this
Marigold type shape, short Marigold.
And I said, gosh, who did that? And she told me the hairdresser
who was a independent hairdresser.
So I went straight to her, attempted to have that Marigold
start. It never happened.
It ended up like this and I've followed this hairdresser ever
since and this is how it's. Sometimes I have a centre
parting and have a proper Bob, otherwise it's a side.
Yeah, no, I love it. Do you?
Absolutely love it. Oh, thank you.
I'm never sure. Oh, no.
I think it really suits you. And it's flippy.
And thank you my very good friend Julian Clary.
Always says to me, please go for a Pixie.
Please go for a Pixie. And I just can't.
No, don't it? This is feminine.
I think so. Thank you.
Oh, gosh, thank you. Tweakments.
So no, you can raise your eyebrows.
I can raise. So I've had the only thing I've
had done is profilo and I've had it three times.
And I'm beginning to think it probably isn't worth it.
I don't know whether it's painful.
Well, love bites. All over my.
Face and neck, it's it literally comes up as bites.
I I was desperate to have something done to my neck
because my neck and I think that's through eating disorders.
It's you know, I lost so much weight.
It's it will never the neck is the hardest thing, isn't it?
I would love a neck lift, but you can't.
You've got to have the whole lot.
Would you ever go there? Yes, but I don't.
Want to become a documentary? That is the only reason I don't
morally. But then I I've just listened to
an interview with Jane Fonda, who said she regrets everything
she's had done to her face. Isn't that amazing?
I had Botox years ago, years ago, and this eyebrow fell down.
You know how sometimes it can't? So I was literally holding it
like this for a few months and never had it again.
But the profiler and I don't know whether that's worked or
not. I've still got all these, yes,
but I think when. I look at you, all I think of is
this joyous smile, this huge great life and I.
Do think it's on my face. Yeah, I have had a great life.
But you know the you've got a. Smile and you smile with your
eyes as well as your mouth, and I thank you.
I think a a great smile is yes, I I think one of our biggest
anti ageing. I agree, isn't it?
I agree and your teeth are beautiful.
Thank you. But those are they've they've.
Had work done OK coming back to your.
Clothes what is stay at home, chill out Joe wearing when
you're not in front of the camera.
So yes, and this is. Because I was influenced.
It's what the it's this cashmere tracksuit.
And they are wonderful. Yeah.
They're dreamy, aren't they? They are dreamy.
I don't like sports. Leisure wear at all?
I don't wear trainers. I don't like track suits.
I just, I just don't like it. You only like cashmere.
So I like a cashmere and there is a brand I work with and they
supply me with my cashmere. The best cashmere ever.
And what is that brand? It's Lily Silk.
Which most a lot of. Influences.
Oh, I they're pillowcases. Aren't they Wonderful?
Genius, because it's Mulberry silk.
I'm going to my. Full in Mulberry silk.
Yeah, Their pillowcases are great.
And do you do you use a silk pillowcase?
Yeah. Oh my gosh, definitely.
I mean, I take. Them with me when I travel.
Do you? I do too and when I don't it's
like my face sticky to. It it's wonderful you don't
sweat. Oh, your skin just glides along
it won't You just glow? Yes.
So on that. Note What is date night Joe
wearing? Do you want to know how long it
is since I've had a date? Oh my God, because I was
dreading you asking me about my pyjamas, well what I wear in bed
because I was saying I've have not slept with anyone for so
long but I still there's more information than I was asking.
Just volunteer away, Joey. Date night, right?
It's so weird, Amanda, I've had so many dates that I feel I
don't ever want another. Isn't that awful?
There was an actor called Ben Mendelssohn.
I'd go on a date with him. He's probably the only person
left in the world. I would.
Are you listening? And I did actually meet him in
Marilyn High Street. He's he's an American Hollywood,
very successful actor walking down Marilyn High Street.
And I literally accosted him. But he was lovely because I had
my bulldog. He made such a fuss at the dog
and I said please come on my radio show, please come on my
radio show. And he went, he's Australian.
He went, OK, I'll put my number in your phone, which he did
every day for about a month afterwards I would go on my
radio show, say to my producer, can you on air, I'd say this,
can you phone Ben Mendelson and see if they go?
And she would phone him and we'd have the dialing tone going out.
Never answered. So I have no idea who's nobody
going. If I was going on a date with
Ben, I would wear an LBD always, a little back dress always.
And what length to? Mid calf.
I have a little black dress that I bought from those days in
Brighton. Paul Smith.
It is, and it's like it's very similar.
That's why I love what you're wearing.
It's like a tube. Very similar sleeves.
Except it's. You can wear it off the shoulder
or on the shoulder. Pull it down.
Oh sounds perfect. The date warms.
Up. Start to wiggle out a bit as I'm
sitting there. Oh my gosh, I've worn it.
It's always my go to and I actually interviewed Paul Smith
and told him that I've still got that dress and he went.
I remember he's amazing. He went.
I remember the fabric you of all of your.
He went. I know exactly where we got that
fabric in Italy. Yeah.
Amazing. Do you like him?
Do you like. I think he's brilliant.
I. Really, really think he's
brilliant. Yeah.
How would you want someone to? Describe.
Your style DNA in three words. Cool.
Hippie chic, I like that. Do you think that's appropriate?
I do actually. It's always going back to the
70s. You know, with the wide legs, I
like to think I'm cool and I can be chic, but you're also quite
glam. And yeah, see, I never.
Think of myself as glam. You are.
Am I? Yeah.
I take that as a huge compliment.
Thank you. Travel.
Are you a good Packer or a bad Packer?
I'm a last minute Packer. I throw everything into I've got
this thing about luggage. I I refuse to ever have anything
on wheels for a long time because it annoys me.
The sound of these bloody wheels, says the Five foot.
Exactly. I know exactly 5 foot nothing.
But I just thought, oh, this dragging these flaming wheels.
So yes. So I don't have a handbag on
wheels if. I not you.
I do now I do. Now, but I was in Amsterdam once
and we were going down the canal and it was really early and
people ahead of me were boom, boom, boom.
And I just thought all those people on the boats are hearing
these flaming wheels. So I like luggage.
I like to carry luggage or now probably because I'm travelling
a lot more. I do have wheels, but I leave it
to the very last minute and I just Chuck stuff in these
influences. I mentioned Amelia Liana, she
will start to pack a week ahead. So in her spare room she has all
that. I never do that.
It's a cool string. Yeah, I just.
Chuck it in my basics. And a couple of nice date night
outfits. That's it.
And favorite luggage? Well, it is my old.
Canvas bags. It really is.
What are they? They're not Barber.
What are they they? They are canvas with leather
handles. Oh my gosh.
I got it from a fishing shop in the lanes in Brighton.
Massive and they go down in size so I've got 3 sizes.
Unbelievably heavy. They well.
By the time you finish. They oh gosh, they.
Are. But they're stylish, you know,
they're battered. I remember seeing who's the
young actor? Oh, my gosh, it's a very young
actor who arrived with that luggage and he was packed.
And I just thought, good for him.
He was like carrying. Well, I was about to say, And
muscles. Bulging.
Yes, actually, Yeah, exactly. I've got to just ask you your
approach to sustainable fashion, right?
My excuse is that I pay price per wear, so I as I've admitted,
that's not an excuse. I think that's a.
Completely. Just so I don't do fast fashion,
I don't. Do High Street very, very
seldom. When I do High Street, my
clothes are my friends. I love them and I will bring
things out. And I said, Oh yes, I remember
the day I bought that I had a habit as an actress.
Every good job I, I had, I would buy an item of clothing.
So I'd say that was from the bill that was from Silent
Witness that you know, these were the outfits that I bought
and they and I would invest in them.
So they are my friends. So in a way that's sustainable
price per word. I also have a thing.
You're going to hate what I'm saying now I have a thing about
vintage pre judge me vintage on vintage.
I'm vintage. Wearing vintage can be very
ageing. If you're young, vintage is a
novelty and it looks great. If you're more mature and you're
wearing vintage, it can make you look really old.
Very interesting. Point very interesting point,
but I I I love. That the Kate Mosses, as we were
saying, the Sienna Millers can go down that route, wear their
mothers clothes, their mothers coats or whatever.
You can't when you could be a grandmother.
Would you ever buy a vintage bag?
Yes, but do you know it's weird I'm.
Really not into bags, and again, I think it's because I'm so
small I seldom wear a coat. I hate wearing coats.
You've had Rachel Stevens on. She taught me because she's my
height. She went just wear them over
your shoulder. Never put them on because you
get smaller. So I very seldom, I hate
carrying bags because it makes me look more cluttered.
I like to be quite linear. So no bags.
The whole MAS thing I do, it saved your fortune.
Literally saved me a fortune, hasn't it?
It really has. Right, let's spin on some quick
fire questions. What fashion advice would you
give your 20 year old self? Grab the platforms as soon as
you can find them. Height, height, height lengthens
your legs. Gives you more credibility.
Sorry, but it does. Interesting, Which fashion?
Trend would you most like to see make a comeback?
Very much. The Maxi's I love the Max I know
you love maxi's. They're still there, you know,
more long dresses, more long flowing dresses.
I love them. They're so romantic and you
could disguise your massive platforms underneath fashion or.
Beauty trend you'd consigned to room 1010 eyebrows.
That porn star eyebrow. Thing.
What is that? Because they don't cool and you
know, you just see that they're all drawn on and and or tattooed
on or whatever they do. I never got that.
That's slowly going, thank heavens.
But yeah, the shading and the eyebrows you last impulse by.
I'm waiting for them to. Arrive tomorrow.
They are now correct me on this. Is it Amina Mouadi?
Amina Mouadi. They're snakeskin boots, which I
ordered now they'd get. So I printed.
Yes, printed. Oh God, yes.
I've got a a couture dress that I bought last summer, white with
white daisies on that are a pliquet.
So they're they stand 3D and I can't wear them with any shoes.
And I thought, no, I'm going to wear them with a knee high boot,
very 60s. So yes, that so I've bought
them. They haven't arrived yet, and I
was thinking on the way over here, what on earth am I going
to wear them with? Even with this white dress, you
know, they're a risk, but they can go back.
They can go back. Yeah, where?
Was the couture. Dress from Amanda Thompson.
She's in, not. In Notting Hill she see this
work. She offered to lend me something
when I said on air that I was going to Ascot Ladies Day and I
said on air I really don't have anything and she emailed me and
said I listen to you as I'm working everyday in the studio.
Can Ioffer you something? She's in All Saints Rd.
I went and had a fitting and it was this dress actually, and she
lent it to me with a coat which I've worn all winter, a white
coat. And I came back and I went, can
I buy these from you? Because, and it was not her
intention, she said honestly, Joe, you know, you can borrow
them whenever. And I went, no, I want.
So I'm now a customer of hers and she has off the Peg, which
is called by Frank. Her dog is called Frank.
So you can either have couture or Off the Peg.
Yeah. All sets.
Rd. Amanda Thompson.
Your views on tattoos hate them Beauty treatment you.
Couldn't give up. Gosh, I love a facial.
I love a facial but I like if I'm going to have a facial, I
don't want just this hand business.
I want a good old Cathy Odermy, do you remember?
So yes I have I have Cathy Odermy or Casey as it now is
fairly often and my profilo high end or high.
Street high end bling or bear Bear.
Minimalism or maximalism? Golly, I've grown into.
Minimalism, but I was very one the pools all out there just
keep adding layers matching. Couture or charity shop couture
as I say, can't do vintage. On vintage Crocs.
Cute or puke? Oh my gosh, Puke I.
Mean even though they've brought them back and they're like, you
know, trendily naff or kitch or whatever it's just the thought
of your feet sweating really sneakers or.
Stilettos, stilettos, bags or shoes.
Shoes. Boyfriends or wide legs.
Wide legs always cover those. Platforms body, con or boho?
Boho sports lux or rock chick? Rock chick trend or style?
Style Cashmere or cotton cashmere.
Order or editor editor charity shop or resale charity shop.
Beanie or Berry beanie, Shapewear or sexy lingerie.
Sexy lingerie, tights or stockings?
Stockings always bikini or one. Piece.
One piece. And finally.
Traditional last. Question at the end of the day,
what do you or don't you wear in bed?
So I do wear silk pajamas. From Lily Silk.
I mean, this isn't a collab, but I do if you, if you've had their
billow cases, try their silk pajamas.
And in the winter, I do wear wincyette pajamas.
I sleep alone. But I love that Doris Day look.
You know, Joe what? Honestly.
I could have gone on and on and on.
I know we've gone massively over already, but I've got another 50
questions I want to ask you. Amanda, this has been cathartic.
I also feel like I've been in the psychiatrist's chair.
I have told you things I haven't told other people, which is rare
because I never shut up. Oh, well then I've done my job.
You have done. Your job, You're so good at it.
Oh. Thank you, Joe.