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Today I'm going on a style 

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journey with the award-winning 
BBC Radio host, TV fashion 

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presenter and influencer, the 
fabulous and joyous Joe Good. 

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Hello and welcome, Joe. 
Am I the oldest person you've 

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had on this podcast? 
Not by a long way. 

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Really. 
Not by a long way. 

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But now I've said that I can't 
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You're going to qualify it 
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watched most of them. 
I've watched them and very. 

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Good, I'm. 
Playing. 

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Oh my gosh, well, you get the 
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I can't get to Amanda. 
But on my way over I just 

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thought, goodness me, I am the 
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No, not, not at all. 
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I, well, you know my attitude to
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We've been there and talked 
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Gold Show, which I did have an 
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into the Gold Show You. 
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plus thing. 
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no, you're right. 
You're right not to. 

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It's it's very easy to be 
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Having said that, Amanda, I've 
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chapter because I'm diverse. 
I'm old, you know, so I'm I'm 

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almost a box tick, but. 
Stop saying you're old in your 

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Oh, in my head I'm 18. 
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child. 
I am a child, you know, so this 

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is, and I don't want to get 
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people will comment about this. 
I believe it's because I've 

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never had a had children and 
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So I've never handed the baton 
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myself or to the next 
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I've never done that. 
So I'm just living in this 

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blinkered world of I'm just 
still the person I was, which is

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18. 
And it's only when you see 

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yourself, you know, and it's 
that cliche, I see myself in a 

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shop window or I see myself on 
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Blimey, you know, actually the 
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they will. 
And you're 70 and I'm 70. 

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It's interesting what you say 
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never passed the baton because 
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Too very few of. 
Us and I hadn't I'd never 

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thought of it like that. 
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somewhere in my 30s in my head 
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treating my body as though I'm 
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fact that occasionally it breaks
on me. 

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But but that's a a very, very 
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When you sadly lost your mother 
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Did you? 
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of your age? 
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this forever. 
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my life, which I've never 
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I've never navel gazed. 
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When she went and I spent the 
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I then did I I then thought 
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the legacy? 
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Because I read somewhere, and 
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mood down right at the 
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somewhere that women who are 
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died of old age, like to see 
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And though she never encouraged 
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was quite relieved I never had 
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I wondered what she was thinking
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life was being played out. 
Was she thinking, gosh, Joe's in

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a good place? 
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and still as insecure and 
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Because I've never done. 
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rules. 
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I don't have the kids. 
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I have a wonderful life. 
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myself. 
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knew me well enough to know I 
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survive. 
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there's Joe and there's my 
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She didn't have all that. 
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I have, and I'm lucky enough to 
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and, and I know that that's a 
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And I'm, I think there will be a
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have that reckoning. 
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believe I have no issue with my 
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I'm proud of it. 
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repeat, repeat, repeat your age,
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denial, but just in not feeding 
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or ex years. 
So that your subpunch, your 

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brain starts feeding that into 
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are you talking about? 
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behind that. 
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I'm sure because you're 
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I think I'm I'm my own worst 
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And I remember when I did this, 
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item on ITV on This morning, it 
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I actually opened my mouth when 
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went, well, I've just turned 70.
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thought, why are you saying 
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Well, look how amazing I look at
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Why did I say it? 
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And I still don't know why I did
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And interestingly, I mean, 
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but your Instagram handle is 
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And do you know my trolls, of 
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Well, they didn't say to me at 
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They just write on various 
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Well, that boat sailed a long 
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part of me loves them, part of 
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funny. 
Some of them are really 

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intelligent, others not so. 
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and you know, once you have a 
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So it's just stuck now. 
But can you evolve to just be 

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Joe Good? 
I think, yeah, I probably could,

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but there's so much middle-aged 
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don't want to risk it, but. 
Also, you're such a minx. 

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You've got a minx. 
I am a minx. 

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You've got to keep it. 
I mean, sod the middle-aged. 

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Yeah, totally. 
You know, sod the middle-aged. 

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You're not the middle. 
Aged yet? 

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I'm not and I'm dreading that 
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That's a whole other podcast. 
It's a whole other podcast. 

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Oh. 
Goodness. 

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But The Gold Show, when you were
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did that at any moment sort of 
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Am I gold? 
Am I? 

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Am I that? 
Age bracket, do you know, isn't 

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it interesting if it had been 
anyone else but Sheer Lux and we

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met through Sheer Lux and I said
to you just now they are 

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unashamedly fashionistas and you
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go and you come out so happy. 
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you've entered, they've they've 
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You're out all over the place. 
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course, do I want to be 
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But then when I they gave me the
line up of the people I was 

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going to interview on the very 
first show, I thought, God, I 

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can't get to these people. 
So yes, I'll do it. 

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And then, you know, when you're 
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All those youngsters in the 
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And it's what I've said for 
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believe the age gap is 
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They don't see us as old women, 
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their lives. 
They literally see us as Trail 

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Blazers. 
They have, honestly, they have 

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nothing but respect for us. 
So yes, we are representing a 

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different generation, but with 
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they can't do those interviews. 
We do them, yeah. 

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It's funny, it reminds me of I 
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was hosting and I ended up in 
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varied range of, of age range of
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And we had such fun together. 
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I was I was nicknamed the 
Oracle. 

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What a compliment there. 
Wasn't it such a compliment? 

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Actually, I loved it. 
It was the most charming way of 

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saying, actually you've got a 
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So much wisdom and especially 
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and being a success at the time,
you were a success when there 

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But right back at you. 
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Yes. 
I do remember you on Crossroads.

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How many? 
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that they were? 
25,000,000 a night, five nights 

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It's not social media. 

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Totally, totally them, but 
they're not. 

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But Amanda, come on. 
This was not credible. 

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When I was at drama school, 
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Royal Shakespeare Company or the
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I wanted to be in Crossroads. 
You know, I was desperate to be 

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in Crossroads. 
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Why? 
I, my grandmother used to have 

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it on at 6:30 every night. 
You know that dung, dung, dung, 

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dung. 
And, and I grew up with it And 

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I, it's why I love watching 
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I love watching people's lives 
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Even though it was a soap, I 
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just domestic life. 
I've always loved it. 

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And, and so when I went to 
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Barton, who was the producer, 
brought out a file that was this

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thick. 
He went, I've got letters from 

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you from when you were like 18 
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And I said yes because I was 
desperate to be on it. 

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So when I got the gig, I was so 
happy. 

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So happy. 
And to a degree, what Crossroads

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was then is almost what a lot of
YouTube and social media is now.

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Because it is this is my life. 
Exactly that. 

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And it was. 
This was the crossroads. 

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Life, the crossroads life. 
There were no big dramas. 

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It was, you know, there was no, 
it wasn't like Dallas even. 

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There was not a lot happening in
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It was just those chalets with 
Benny, you know, and I, I just, 

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I, I worked for. 
I don't know if you remember, 

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you might have known her. 
Sue Lloyd. 

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Did you know Sue Lloyd? 
Yes. 

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She married Ronnie Allen. 
Sue Lloyd was a model and then. 

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Yeah, became an actress and 
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and out of the show. 
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for them in the coach house and 
they literally adopted me. 

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didn't it? 
And I ended up having an affair 

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with the guy I was having an 
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out of Crossroads, which 
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I see this happening soaps a lot
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Yeah. 
And And yes. 

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So that was that was front page 
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we'd been packed coming out of a
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there might be something in the 
papers, but just ignore it, you 

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know? 
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time. 
My parents had no idea what I 

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was getting up to most of my 
life. 

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Didn't they? 
They saw you every day on 

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Crossroads. 
They saw. 

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Me every day. 
I don't know if they watched it.

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I mean, it was like one of the, 
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It was like, I don't know if 
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Crossroads on, you know, they 
were just happy. 

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I was happy basically. 
They didn't expect a lot from my

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brother and I and they didn't 
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did our own thing and and yeah, 
I warned them about that and it,

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and it came out and now I laugh 
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At the time you've been on front
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completely traumatised. 
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goes, fish and chip. 
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then it was tomorrow's ship 
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Totally unlike now. 
But then you went on into radio 

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and what, what is the difference
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what, what do you really feel 
when you're on air with radio 

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versus acting? 
Do you know, do you remember 

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Annie Nightingale? 
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So Annie Nightingale, she said, 
and I God rest her soul, she was

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wonderful. 
She said, I'm happier in my 

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studio than anywhere else. 
It's like a womb. 

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And it's, it's I just, when I 
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thought that's how I feel. 
My studio is a womb. 

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I've, I've gone on air over the 
death of people I love hugely 

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over the death of you get this, 
my animals. 

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And you go out and you just do 
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And you can secretly weep. 
No one sees you, the listeners, 

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when they know you really well. 
And my listeners have stuck with

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me for years. 
They know when I'm upset. 

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And I, I, I've since I've 
matured, I've broken down on air

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so many times. 
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younger of doing that would have
mortified me. 

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But now I just cry and I say, 
I'm really sorry. 

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I'm just, I'm crying at the 
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This is and then you get on with
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They forgive you, you. 
You're in this. 

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Wonder they're with. 
You, they're with you all the 

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time and I've dealt with 
Grenfell, I've dealt with dealt 

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with news stories that are 
Diana. 

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I was on air when Diana died and
that was a hugely privileged 

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place to be because when she 
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friend of yours, but when she 
died there was nowhere for 

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anyone to call but their local 
radio station. 

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The phones were off the hook and
people just wanting to grieve, 

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just to say anything to us and 
that will never happen again. 

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I'm convinced of it it. 
Was a. 

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It was a. 
National outpouring of grief. 

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Wasn't it unbelievable? 
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different days. 
There was no social media and 

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that people just couldn't voice 
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And, and so in answer to your 
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do, radio is where I'm so happy.
It's where I'm happiest. 

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And then what was the evolution 
into YouTube content creation? 

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Do you know what? 
Because you still do your radio.

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I love my. 
Radio love it and and I and this

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you may keep in all you may keep
out. 

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And if my agent was here now, 
he'd say shut up. 

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But I'm going to say it. 
My journey with the BBC has been

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bumpy over the past few years. 
Well, you and many. 

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Others, and I'm now the oldest 
radio presenter who has a 

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regular job on the BBC that's 
staying in and that thank you. 

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But that was, I think, down to 
my listeners who wanted me to 

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stay and Parliament. 
I ended up being a question in 

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Parliament about, you know, Joe 
Good, what's going to happen to 

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Joe Good with all these changes 
at BBC London? 

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So I was given a national show 
and I'm really lucky because I 

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was hanging by my fingernails. 
And do you feel safe and secure 

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in that role? 
I do now. 

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I think I do because to go back 
to why did I stand up and say 

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I'm 70? 
It it's my Get Me Out of jail 

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card. 
I'm diverse and my agent will 

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kill me if this goes no, but 
it's true. 

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It's like I'm now, you know, you
need me because I'm the older 

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voice there and I am because 
there's lots of youngsters come 

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up and it's like you, I'm the 
Oracle. 

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I was going to say you are the 
Oracle. 

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Truly. 
Because as you say, wisdom has a

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huge amount of value, so. 
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it, it's so lovely the fact that
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to be childless. 
That's, you know, that's a lot 

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of people will relate to that 
and go, oh, it's not just me 

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that chose to be alternative to 
society's norms. 

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And I, you know, people, I have 
friends who say that they're 

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stigmatized for it. 
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questioned me. 
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the our generation now, no one 
has ever. 

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I've never sat at a dinner party
and someone said, well, why 

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haven't you? 
God, haven't you? 

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I have been asked dozens of 
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Have you? 
Yes, yes. 

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And it's most of the time I'm 
fine about it, but every now and

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then it's right in your face and
really quite offensive. 

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Yes. 
Like, is it wrong that I decided

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for whatever reason and actually
it's none of your business? 

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It's none of your business, but 
I think people think you're 

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selfish. 
Yeah. 

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I think that's what they think. 
Gosh, she's selfishly living her

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life herself. 
Well, you're probably one of the

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most generous people I know. 
I mean, how our carbon 

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footprint, sorry, don't get me 
off on this. 

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It's negligible compared to all 
those people with kids and 

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nappies and plastic toys. 
Now, while we're on carbon 

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footprints, yes, we're talking 
about clothes today and style, 

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yes. 
So let's kick off with what are 

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you wearing today, because you 
look fantastic. 

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Thank you. 
I am wearing this is from a 

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designer, a mother and daughter 
designer called Phoebe Grace, 

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who unfortunately no longer 
design. 

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I know. 
So if you I'm sending them this 

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podcast because I keep saying to
them, please come back. 

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I love supporting young 
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and I realise I do that a lot 
unknowingly because I go to a 

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lot of pop ups in London. 
I live on London on Marylebone 

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High Street. 
There's always pop ups come and 

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they had a pop up and Phoebe 
then had children. 

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This goes back to my earlier 
topic of children. 

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So she had children and felt 
that she should give her time to

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her children. 
And that's what happens, and 

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probably it should. 
So they've stopped. 

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But it's Phoebe Grace, and you 
can still find some of them on 

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Vestia, I think. 
And then I'm wearing these 

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massive Stella McCartney 
platforms. 

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And as Stella McCartney says, 
every short woman loves me 

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because of these. 
I love it, I love it. 

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But going back to the beginning,
you grew up for some time in 

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Australia, Yes? 
And. 

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Were you sun damage? 
Oh, join the club, do you? 

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Do you have memories because you
moved to England when you were, 

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what, 11? 
13. 13 Yes. 

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Do you have memories of what you
were wearing and what you were 

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doing? 
Oh my gosh, in Australia. 

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Oh my gosh, yes. 
I think the reason I love colour

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so much is because of my 
Australian upbringing. 

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Everything was colourful. 
It was really colourful. 

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There was, there was no subtlety
about Australia in the 60s, well

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late 50s and 60s. 
And it was like the orange of 

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the, I had a, what we use called
a muumuu in Australia, which was

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an, A line dress in the colour 
of those tulips, a lovely burnt 

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olive orange. 
In my childhood in Australia it 

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was all bright clothing. 
We had uniform. 

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I went to a private girls school
in Australia but a a state 

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school here in England. 
So I had a very rounded 

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education. 
And I heard Liz Earl when she 

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came on here and she said her 
first touch with fashion was her

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school uniform. 
And it probably is the same with

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all of us. 
And it's who customized their 

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uniform and who just did as they
were told. 

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You will have customized. 
I will have customized Liz. 

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You could tell the ones that 
did. 

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So what was your school uniform?
So, Oh my God, so it was the 

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opposite. 
It was like we were dressed in 

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like sackcloth and ashes. 
I mean, we were dressed in a way

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they thought English public 
schools were dressed, but they 

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were over here they'd they were 
far more liberal. 

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We were wearing gloves, fawn 
gloves, would you believe? 

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And to get through the gates you
had to do this to the prefects 

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to show you had both gloves on 
clean and that you hadn't you 

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lost one because the girls that 
had had their hands in their 

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pockets, detention, I mean 
extraordinary Boaters and Lyle 

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stockings, stockings. 
This was before the tights came 

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in, stockings with suspenders. 
Nothing sexy at all. 

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I mean, really awful because 
they wouldn't stay up and you 

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know, the the gym slip that went
flat and shiny on the back 

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awful. 
But we all customize them and. 

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What colour? 
Navy blue, Navy blue with beige 

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Lyle stockings. 
Can you believe and? 

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And beige gloves and beige. 
Gloves. 

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And how did you customize? 
So we had what was called over 

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there, different meaning here, a
girdle. 

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So it was like, it was like a 
dressing gown called that we had

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round and each one had a colour 
representing the house we were 

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in. 
So I pulled, which I still do to

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this day, pulled mine right up, 
roost it over and it was on the 

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knee. 
But you could only do that once 

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you'd left the school gates. 
And I would do it on the train 

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home. 
I would sit there. 

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I had my hiking, I would steam 
my boater so that I could bend 

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the rim instead of it like this.
It would bend. 

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So you had a Stetson, so I. 
Had like a Stetson and but that 

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that was like that was the most 
we could do. 

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But many of the girls never 
bothered. 

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But you could see the ones that 
had an eye for fashion very 

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early on. 
And then you're back over in 

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England. 
Yeah. 

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Aged 13. 
Yeah. 

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Having worn a very strict school
uniform. 

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Yeah. 
And then what were you wearing 

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to school? 
So then I went to Horsham High 

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School for Girls, which was a 
state school, far more liberal. 

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When we got into the sixth form,
we could wear what we liked. 

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And it was, I remember Mary 
Quant was, she was designing 

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for, Can you believe this, 
Freeman's catalog, because 

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that's where I got my first 
quant from. 

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And I was Horsham is just 
outside of London. 

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It's 50 miles. 
So we would hitch, hitch to get 

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into the Kings Rd. down to 
Kensington Market, down to 

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Granny takes a trip. 
I would shop at Bus Stop or 

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Chelsea Girl or Snob. 
But you know Amanda, it was like

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it was you. 
Your pocket money only went so 

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far. 
So every purchase really meant 

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something because you will have 
saved for weeks, months to get 

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that wet look handbag or the wet
look boots. 

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Do you know what I mean? 
It was. 

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But do you remember the very 
first time that you put 

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something on and it just made 
you feel different? 

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Yes I do and that was a caftan 
from, it was called Horsham 

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Galleries. 
It was the only shop in Horsham 

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that I would ever have shopped 
in that was an independent that 

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had its own style. 
And it was at the time when I 

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was in the Lower 6th I suppose. 
And I was, they had they had the

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kaftans that smelt of India. 
Do you remember with the hood 

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and I, it was far too long for 
me, which everything has been 

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for the whole of my life. 
Everything I've ever worn has 

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hems this big. 
But I could wear my wedges from 

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Snob underneath it and it would 
brush the ground. 

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I didn't have to take it up. 
I had beads around my neck. 

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00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,440
I know this sounds ridiculous. 
And a hood that I could just 

448
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:18,960
wear as a frame to my face. 
And the reason this made a 

449
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:25,680
difference was I was wearing it 
and then a photographer from the

450
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,160
original Glastonbury album. 
Before it was called 

451
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:32,480
Glastonbury, it was a festival 
called Something Fair. 

452
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,640
I think it was maybe called 
Glastonbury Fair. 

453
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:39,720
Anyways, the original 
Glastonbury album plot me on 

454
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:43,360
Horsham Station and said can I 
take your photograph for this 

455
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,400
album? 
And I was a hippie, young hippie

456
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,120
schoolgirl basically. 
And they did. 

457
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,200
And it's in this album. 
If anyone's got it, have you 

458
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,120
still got it? 
Well, one of one of my listeners

459
00:25:55,120 --> 00:25:59,120
has it and sent me a picture of 
it and I'm under it was actually

460
00:25:59,120 --> 00:26:04,760
photographed in Bratwell Park 
in, in London in this in this 

461
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,600
caftan and it and the whole 
reason I'm telling this very 

462
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:12,800
long winded story is it made me 
feel great and it made someone 

463
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,080
notice me. 
And what colour was it? 

464
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,880
It was like it was all different
ethnic colours, so it was like 

465
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,520
muddy brown and a bit of blue 
and a bit of yellow and a bit of

466
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,720
white all swirl. 
I was going to say, was it 

467
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,120
Paisley? 
Paisley it Paisley But do you 

468
00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:29,000
remember the colour of those 
ethnic? 

469
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,400
Do you remember? 
Do you remember it was like all 

470
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,600
the stuff brought in from India 
that wasn't cured, all the 

471
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,000
Afghan coats? 
Those Afghan coats. 

472
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,440
A wet day on a bus. 
You could empty it they. 

473
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:44,040
Honked, but they looked great. 
Fabulous, fabulous. 

474
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:45,320
Yeah. 
Oh God. 

475
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:51,680
By wearing Navy as a school 
uniform, has that put you off 

476
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,760
Navy in any way? 
It did until now. 

477
00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:01,160
And I now realise that Navy is a
lot kinder than black. 

478
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,760
For every time I say this, I 
have to because I know your take

479
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:09,680
on it. 
For a woman of maturity, I do 

480
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:13,880
think Navy's kinder. 
If I wear black, I will break it

481
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:15,560
up, you know, into monochrome. 
I do. 

482
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,160
I still love black. 
I absolutely love it. 

483
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:20,880
But I think Navy's actually 
kinder, Yeah. 

484
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,880
Now, you were an actress for 
many years. 

485
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:32,800
How much did your costume play a
part in you getting into the 

486
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,560
part? 
This is such an interesting 

487
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:41,640
question because I also think 
being an actress made me not 

488
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,440
cosplay because there was no 
such word when I was. 

489
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:50,480
But dress, I still dress in 
character for events, you know, 

490
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,280
I would, I would love. 
I was watching you interviewing 

491
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:59,400
Sophie Habu and she arrived in 
her gym gear and everything. 

492
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,760
And I just thought, Oh my God, 
that's so confident. 

493
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,560
I'm going to see Amanda Wakeley.
I am dressing. 

494
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,920
Do you know what I mean? 
And I do it or I dress. 

495
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,920
And that's the, that's the, I 
think that's the leftover from 

496
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:13,120
being an actress. 
So do you? 

497
00:28:13,120 --> 00:28:17,360
Do you still dress for your 
audience rather than for you? 

498
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,040
Both. 
Both. 

499
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:23,760
It will be what I want. 
But I will dress for, yes, for 

500
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,600
my audience, for the event I'm 
going to. 

501
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,840
I will. 
I will wear a costume for it, 

502
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,480
what I think is the costume for 
it. 

503
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,480
But to go back to when I was an 
actress, yes. 

504
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,480
And that's why you'll get many 
actors still say give me the 

505
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,720
shoes, Just give me the shoes. 
If you give me the shoes, I can 

506
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:44,080
find the character. 
And yeah, Beryl Cookoys used to 

507
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,240
say that. 
And were you very involved with 

508
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,200
what you wore on Crossroads, for
example? 

509
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,760
And I can send you some pictures
of what I've wore on Crossroads.

510
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:59,600
Because there was no budget, so 
we we supplied our own clothes. 

511
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:02,560
Great. 
So yes, but I was playing a car 

512
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:06,000
mechanic so I was wearing my ex 
husbands. 

513
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,320
We haven't even talked about 
him, but that was a very brief 

514
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,040
but fabulous marriage, but very 
brief. 

515
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,920
And he ended up in neighbors. 
So he ended up going to 

516
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,960
Australia in Neighbors, which 
was like the sister show to 

517
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,320
Crossroads. 
But I was wearing his rugby 

518
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,240
shirts, Oshkosh dungarees that 
were mine. 

519
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:27,600
Do you remember Oshkosh, his old
jackets? 

520
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,360
Because I was playing a car 
mechanic and we, yeah, we had to

521
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:36,280
supply all our own clothes. 
So no budget, No budget. 

522
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:40,240
But I was also and in The Bill 
18 times, playing different 

523
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,160
characters in The Bill, always 
in the same pair of jeans 

524
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,440
because they did have a 
wardrobe, apartment department, 

525
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,280
should I say. 
But because I was so, so small, 

526
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,720
the choice of jeans was limited.
And they'd say, we've got some 

527
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,120
jeans and I'd go, no, I know I 
wore those in the last. 

528
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,680
So, yeah. 
So costumes, very important, 

529
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,360
very important in the character.
Always lovely if you've got a 

530
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:10,640
glamorous role, which I ended up
playing a lot of whores and 

531
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,920
tarts. 
Did you keep any of your 

532
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:15,760
costumes? 
No. 

533
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,920
By the looks of your face, you 
wouldn't have wanted no. 

534
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,040
Not at all. 
Not at all. 

535
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,440
Were there any parts that you 
would have loved to have had 

536
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:28,480
that you didn't, possibly 
because of the costumes? 

537
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,240
I was desperate. 
I really wanted Do you remember 

538
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,320
a show called Angels? 
Do you remember it was all about

539
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,360
nurses? 
I was it was on the BBCI really 

540
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:42,200
wanted to wear a proper nurses. 
You know when they had starched 

541
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,440
yes, starched with the cuffs and
a great height add height, 

542
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,840
always add height and and and 
angels because it was in the 

543
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,120
70s. 
They wore those really smart. 

544
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,160
Nothing kinky about it. 
I just wanted to wear a nurses 

545
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,000
outfit. 
Never got. 

546
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,040
I auditioned for that three 
times, never got it. 

547
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,960
But you were. 
You said you were married in the

548
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:03,240
late 70s. 
Yes. 

549
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:05,520
Describe your wedding dress to 
me. 

550
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,280
Oh my gosh, thank you. 
And I don't think I've ever 

551
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,240
talked about this. 
My wedding dress was from 

552
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,080
Kensington Market. 
Find any pictures Oh. 

553
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,440
No, there are no because there 
was no social media. 

554
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:21,040
Also he was on stage in a show 
called Elvis at the time playing

555
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,320
one of the Elvises. 
I was on stage in the West End 

556
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,520
in a play called Once a 
Catholic. 

557
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,000
We only had the day off. 
We had our reception at the 

558
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,520
Astoria in the West End, which 
is now being pulled down. 

559
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,760
My wedding dress was from a. 
Do you remember the label 

560
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:38,960
forbidden fruit? 
I think you're too young. 

561
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:43,480
Damn it. 
Those who are in my age group 

562
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,120
will remember forbidden fruit 
again. 

563
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,920
They came in from India. 
They were big, heavy velvet 

564
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:54,520
dresses, very, very heavy with a
sort of Amanda. 

565
00:31:54,520 --> 00:32:00,440
You'd know how to describe this.
It was like a A plate that had 

566
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:04,440
embroidery on, and from the 
embroidery fell these folds of 

567
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,320
velvet, smocked like it was 
smocked around this template 

568
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:16,040
basically, and the back was all 
heavily pleated velvet with bell

569
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,280
sleeves. 
Must have weighed a ton. 

570
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,920
It would snap hangers, those 
cheap plastic hangers, but you 

571
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:24,760
never needed to hang it because 
there was no. 

572
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:26,840
Way. 
Deep red. 

573
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,680
Really deep red. 
Oh, I need a picture of. 

574
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,640
That of course, I'm going to try
and find you one. 

575
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:36,400
And then a skull cap, A beaded 
skull cap because I had very 

576
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,760
long hair. 
Also from Kensington. 

577
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,800
Oh no, it might have been from 
Antiquarius. 

578
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,120
I think the skull cap was from 
Antiquarius. 

579
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:48,520
And then Chelsea girl kitten 
heeled boots. 

580
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,640
I mean, what a mishmash of 
style. 

581
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:53,960
Truly, I thought I looked 
wonderful. 

582
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:58,080
When did you discover platforms?
As soon as they came out, 

583
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:02,480
because of being 5 foot tall, 
God, I embrace them. 

584
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:04,520
I embrace them. 
I think I discovered them 

585
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:09,240
probably just as I was leaving 
school. 

586
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:13,400
So the wedges and then the 
platform in 1970 it would have 

587
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,560
been. 
And they've been my friend ever 

588
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,200
since. 
Favorite brand? 

589
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,280
Stella. 
Do you have tiny? 

590
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,520
Feet as welly feet. 
So what size would get to weight

591
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:30,680
3? 
Question do you ever buy kids 

592
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:35,840
sneakers or? 
No, I used to buy kids jeans but

593
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,280
I now love things very large on 
me. 

594
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:43,680
I quite like being a waif in big
clothes and that's changed over 

595
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:47,960
the years. 
That is fascinating because as 5

596
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:53,560
foot you could find it quite 
restrictive. 

597
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:59,680
Very but but the Joe I know has 
always just embraced volume. 

598
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:06,120
And yes, scale and that's come 
through age because I, you know,

599
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,960
and a lot of my critics would 
say, Joe, you know, you'd suit 

600
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,880
something more tailored. 
Well, I don't because it makes 

601
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,080
me look. 
Smaller I I love the way you 

602
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,560
wear these, sort of very 
oversized. 

603
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:23,280
Yes, and that you know that I've
learnt that over the years to 

604
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:27,840
embrace and and also I do this 
series with Nadeem Baggert 

605
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:32,440
called The Long and the Short of
it, where I realize it's easier 

606
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,239
to shop for my size, for my 
height. 

607
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,800
I don't know whether you agree 
with this than when you're tall.

608
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,719
I have envied you. 
I've wanted to be. 

609
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,159
I've wanted to be average height
all my life, but I'd love to 

610
00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:47,639
have been tall. 
But I realize I have more 

611
00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:50,440
choice. 
You have so much more choice. 

612
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,320
And, you know, there's times 
that I, I sort of want that 

613
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:58,240
floor sweeping coat. 
It's waving around my calves and

614
00:34:58,240 --> 00:35:01,320
it's just lost all the drama and
all the proportion. 

615
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,960
Yeah. 
And so, yes, I I hear what 

616
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,360
you're saying. 
That you can go out in flats and

617
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,040
not think, God, I'm, I'm almost 
disappearing. 

618
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,920
You know you, you have, you have
a lot of choice. 

619
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,960
But that's the lovely thing 
about platforms is you don't 

620
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,520
feel like you're totter touring 
around because if you have a 

621
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,760
good old platform on the front. 
Oh. 

622
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,480
My gosh, it's all proportions. 
It's fabulous. 

623
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:27,720
I can run in these. 
When did you do you think you've

624
00:35:27,720 --> 00:35:31,520
found your sense of proportion? 
Very late. 

625
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,760
When I look back at a lot of 
what I was wearing, I have a 

626
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,920
very good friend, he's an actor 
who says to me, Joe, you look 

627
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,440
like you'd won the pool. 
I mean, I, I was wearing these 

628
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:49,520
very fitted tailored trouser 
suits and you taught me, Gosh, 

629
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,320
I've used this. 
You taught me. 

630
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,280
You didn't you didn't mean to 
teach me, but you came out with 

631
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:59,960
this as you get older, don't be 
neat, don't have matching leave 

632
00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:03,200
stuff at the said. 
Well, I had matching handbags, 

633
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,960
shoes, lipstick, bow, you know, 
trouser suit. 

634
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:11,240
I did look like I'd won the 
pools and and I was like that 

635
00:36:11,240 --> 00:36:16,360
for many years. 
And I think I I started probably

636
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:22,120
in my 50s to find my true style.
Yes, it's interesting, you know,

637
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:26,720
when people find their style. 
DNA. 

638
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,480
So true, so true. 
Do you have a style icon? 

639
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,160
Yes, I love. 
Do you know how to pronounce her

640
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,240
name? 
Gresha Ganem. 

641
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,960
Oh yes, yes, I know who you're 
talking about. 

642
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:42,440
Do I know how to pronounce her 
name? 

643
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:46,200
Not a clue but. 
Nadine calls her greasy Ganem. 

644
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,520
Forgive me if you're watching, 
but I'm always banging the drum 

645
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:50,480
for you. 
She is. 

646
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,560
And she's only on Instagram. 
I mean, she's on social media. 

647
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,960
She's not come from anywhere, no
other than social media. 

648
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,320
But the two of you, I mean, you 
should do a joint post because. 

649
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,080
Try and get hold of her is 
almost impossible. 

650
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:05,880
She so that for me now, but my 
younger self and I still worship

651
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:11,080
her is Sienna Miller. 
Yes, but do you, are you ever 

652
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,840
influenced by her? 
Yes, good. 

653
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,520
I am. 
And I, and I can't believe I'm 

654
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:21,280
saying this, I know I'm a real 
snob when it comes to labels, so

655
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,280
I don't shop in the High Street 
very often. 

656
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,040
Interesting. 
Now, and this could lead on to 

657
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,520
sustainability and I can back it
up, but I don't. 

658
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,800
I used to and as I and this 
sounds so awful. 

659
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,640
As I become more successful, I 
don't. 

660
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,560
So I you didn't spend. 
More. 

661
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,240
I just spend, no, I spend what I
earn because as I said, I don't 

662
00:37:43,240 --> 00:37:45,080
have kids. 
I'm not having to pay for school

663
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:49,720
fees, school shoes, uniforms, 
you know, money to go and 

664
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,720
Disneyland I don't have, I don't
have to do any of that. 

665
00:37:52,720 --> 00:37:57,640
So it all comes back on me. 
And she, when she went to Marks 

666
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:01,360
and Spencer's, I was I then. 
I was then in Marks and Spencer.

667
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,400
I hadn't been in Marks and 
Spencer's for years. 

668
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:05,680
It was a very, very clever 
movie. 

669
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:07,040
Oh. 
My goodness. 

670
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,360
And now she's with Frame. 
Yeah. 

671
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,720
Best change you can get. 
Yeah, yeah. 

672
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:16,360
But lovely to hear that you are 
influenced by someone that's a 

673
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,840
good few decades younger than 
you. 

674
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,520
Of course, yeah. 
And I think that's very clever 

675
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:27,040
that M&S have chosen her as, 
isn't it at, you know, as an 

676
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:28,320
icon? 
Because. 

677
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,520
And you know why? 
Because she's a hippie chick. 

678
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,520
Yeah. 
And that's me revisiting my 

679
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:34,160
youth. 
Yeah. 

680
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,560
So it is very clever. 
Yeah, I, I'm, I'm with you 

681
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,280
there. 
It's a bit like I, I always 

682
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:44,960
think Sienna and Kate, they're, 
they're the same sort of, you 

683
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:50,120
know, endlessly cool, aren't 
they women that are girls that 

684
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,440
we just, we just take 
inspiration. 

685
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,000
Totally. 
And they were there with vintage

686
00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:00,840
long before anybody long. 
Before long, long before, would 

687
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,280
you say you had a worst fashion 
moment? 

688
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,040
I gosh, was it you're won the 
pools. 

689
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,280
I think it's me looking like 
I've won the pools which endured

690
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:15,440
for many years yes, but it you 
know you know with trends. 

691
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:19,840
This is why I so love where we 
are now is there is no trend. 

692
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,920
Everything goes everything and 
we were following trends. 

693
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:29,480
I walls and it was trend faux 
pas that I was making you know 

694
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:35,120
like transparent fish fishnet 
T-shirts. 

695
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:40,000
I mean just awful. 
I mean really awful. 

696
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,240
And I remember thinking, God, 
I'm so cool. 

697
00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:46,320
I'm in Amsterdam in this fishnet
T-shirt and the photos of it, 

698
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:50,760
you see how unforgiving it was. 
But were you having fun in it? 

699
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,360
Yes, of course. 
Always, always. 

700
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:57,040
So, but can we just spin back 
for a second? 

701
00:39:57,720 --> 00:40:03,080
So you got into becoming a 
YouTube, a content creator. 

702
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:07,120
How did that happen? 
Do you know what my So I lived 

703
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:08,520
in Brighton. 
I was doing the breakfast show 

704
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,960
for the BBC in Brighton when I'd
come out of Crossroads. 

705
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,440
Because you come out of 
Crossroads, you can earn money 

706
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:20,320
off the back of it touring #1 
tours for so long and then no 

707
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,840
one will touch you because 
you're known for Crossroads. 

708
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,280
So and. 
You're a specific character 

709
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,520
totally in Crossroads. 
So you can play that for a 

710
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,160
couple. 
You can do panto as Carol sounds

711
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:30,280
from Crossroads. 
You could. 

712
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:35,240
I did steaming on tour. 
Then it all dries up and 

713
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,640
Brighton, when I was working 
Brighton as an actress at the 

714
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,120
Theatre Royal, they asked me to 
do a newspaper review. 

715
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,360
So I went in and did the paper 
review and they said, you're 

716
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,720
quite gobby, we'll give you a 
show. 

717
00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:48,240
So I ended up doing a radio 
show. 

718
00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:51,280
It was as easy as that. 
That would never happen now did 

719
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:55,720
the radio show. 
My agent who represents radio 

720
00:40:55,720 --> 00:40:59,680
presenters, not social media or 
anything else, took me out to 

721
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,000
dinner and he said, you must 
know Zoella, she lives down here

722
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:04,600
in Brighton. 
And I went, I've no idea who 

723
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,440
you're on about. 
And he said, oh, she's a 

724
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,240
YouTube. 
She just sits in her bedroom 

725
00:41:09,240 --> 00:41:13,160
putting on makeup and packing 
her bag to go on holiday. 

726
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:17,720
She's like 20, if that. 
And I said, no, I have no idea. 

727
00:41:17,720 --> 00:41:22,160
I've never heard of this person.
I go home from that meal, watch 

728
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,840
So Ella and I am literally 
hooked. 

729
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,880
I'd never watched anyone on 
YouTube before ever. 

730
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,040
Other than how to repair a plug 
or something. 

731
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:35,840
Never watched a YouTube and I 
was mesmerized by her and I just

732
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,320
thought, Oh my God, what is it 
about you that's made me watch 

733
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:42,240
you for almost an hour? 
It's this watchability. 

734
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,920
She from then having done that, 
I just thought I can do this. 

735
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,120
I can just sit and talk to 
people. 

736
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:50,600
I sit and talk to people in a 
studio. 

737
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,560
I just sit and talk to people in
front of a camera. 

738
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,680
So and with no intent of 
gathering anybody around. 

739
00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:00,800
I just thought I like this 
medium, I like welcoming people 

740
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,960
into my home and my life. 
It's what I do on air. 

741
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:09,440
I'll now do it on YouTube. 
So I started to do it, posted it

742
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:13,000
with a with my goddaughter's 
boyfriend who was still at 

743
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:17,120
school who knew how to I didn't 
know how to do it, posted it and

744
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:22,360
it started to grow a following. 
So to skip forward quite a few 

745
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:26,240
years. 
So Ella's mum is now one of my 

746
00:42:26,240 --> 00:42:30,560
close friends and I ended, I 
ended up interviewing her 

747
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:35,520
actually about having these 
extraordinary, extraordinarily 

748
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,640
successful kids, Joe Sugg and 
Zoella, you know, siblings. 

749
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,920
And she's just like one of the 
most normal people I've ever 

750
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:45,200
met. 
And she went, I had no idea what

751
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,680
was going on. 
I mean, she, she actually said, 

752
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:51,400
she said this Body Shop truck 
tried to come down the lane with

753
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,000
products for Zoella. 
And she went, I didn't know what

754
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,280
she was doing. 
I know, unbelievable. 

755
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,400
So yeah, it was all down to 
Zoella. 

756
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:04,560
And so you started your YouTube 
at the same time as your 

757
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,880
Instagram? 
Yes, probably. 

758
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,000
Yeah. 
I fought Instagram. 

759
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,400
I'm still not a huge fan of 
Instagram. 

760
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,760
I I don't. 
I like stuff being played out in

761
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:16,520
time. 
I can watch. 

762
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:20,200
Painter, actor in you, Yes. 
I like the story. 

763
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:21,720
The story. 
It's like Bride. 

764
00:43:21,720 --> 00:43:23,280
I always give Brideshead 
Revisited. 

765
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,240
People said that's such a slow 
series. 

766
00:43:25,240 --> 00:43:29,080
I said it didn't go slow enough.
I love watching stuff, playing 

767
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,640
it and Instagram was just 
snacks. 

768
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,400
And I still think it's cheating.
I'm sorry. 

769
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,520
It's just cheating. 
It's like it's throwing stuff at

770
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,560
me. 
I want to just watch people. 

771
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,320
You and I have a mutual friend, 
Lydia Mellon, who's been on 

772
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,640
this. 
And I said to you, I know where 

773
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,760
she keeps her saucepans. 
I know the layout of her house. 

774
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,120
I know everything. 
And I'm it's, I feel so 

775
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:54,600
flattered. 
She allows me. 

776
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,560
I mean, she's selling as she 
says she's selling stuff. 

777
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:02,560
She's an influencer, but she 
gives me meat with the bread. 

778
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:07,040
Because of your life as an 
influencer and because you're in

779
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,600
front of the camera the whole 
time of the cameras in your 

780
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:13,120
home, it's your camera. 
Has it affected how you live 

781
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:14,720
your life as you know? 
Do you? 

782
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,920
Are you more conscious of 
keeping things merchandised and 

783
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:22,080
beautiful and. 
I'm very conscious of what I 

784
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:26,760
have in view and you do start to
copy people, you know, these 

785
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,640
candle brands that come out. 
I suddenly think I'd need one of

786
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,160
those in my in the foreground or
the background. 

787
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:36,360
I mean, yes, and I need order. 
I live in a very small flat in 

788
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:40,400
the centre of London. 
I need order, I need it to be 

789
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,600
camera ready at all times 
because I vlog every single day 

790
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,480
there. 
My my followers are urging me to

791
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:51,800
do like I did through the 
wardrobe with you. 

792
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,320
And I was so impressed. 
You let me in. 

793
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,040
You let me. 
And I just thought, Oh my God, I

794
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,520
couldn't let you into mine, 
Amanda, because there's stuff 

795
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,440
hanging everywhere because it's 
such a small flat. 

796
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:05,320
Yeah. 
You are very wary. 

797
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:09,360
You're very wary of, of, you're 
wary of so many things. 

798
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:15,080
I, my skin care becomes this 
whole procedure in the morning 

799
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,800
and night because I'm promoting 
different brands. 

800
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,800
I, I actually do love it. 
I think, gosh, you know. 

801
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,120
What an indulgence. 
What an indulgence I'm using. 

802
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:29,280
You know, I open my and they 
quite rightly say, Joe, how can 

803
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,280
you be using this when you use 
this last week and you and I 

804
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:35,160
just say, well, that's what I'm 
paid to do is try it out. 

805
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:36,880
Yeah. 
And I only work with the brands 

806
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,080
that I like. 
And talk authentically about. 

807
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,640
Your experience? 
If I didn't use it, I would 

808
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,600
never promote it. 
Yes, but there have been 

809
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:49,080
consequences I've had, you know,
shedding skin from using three 

810
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:52,720
types of retinol in a month. 
That was sensible. 

811
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:57,520
Yeah, ridiculous. 
But how does it work in terms of

812
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:02,200
you say you've got this small 
flat in Marylebone, your front 

813
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:08,800
door must your front doorbell 
must go a lot and how how do you

814
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,000
handle that? 
Do you have an assistant that 

815
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,600
I'm looking at her, aren't I? 
Yes, I wish I had an assistant. 

816
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:17,880
A gosh, I would love to have an 
assistant. 

817
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:22,400
That's, I mean, that's the 
immoral part of influencing the 

818
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:27,560
stuff that you're sent that you 
can't, you know, you I, I said, 

819
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:31,320
you know, they send it in the 
hope that at some point it's 

820
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:32,880
either going to be in the 
background, you're going to do 

821
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,760
an unboxing and I don't do many 
of. 

822
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:39,280
Those I don't unboxing. 
I think it's just about the most

823
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,840
pointless thing on the planet. 
Such consumer It's just inane. 

824
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:47,880
It's immoral and inane. 
Yes, yes, but but surely they've

825
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:52,800
got to get your details or or 
does everyone on Malabon High 

826
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:56,120
Street know where? 
They do and people say to me, 

827
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:59,280
God, I mean I people say do you 
not worry? 

828
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,760
And I go no, because these women
are amazing. 

829
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:06,040
Also, I live in a block that is 
high, the CCTV everywhere, but 

830
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:10,400
I'll come out and there'll be 
men and their wives waiting for 

831
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:11,880
me because there's a cafe 
underneath. 

832
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:15,960
And they go here she comes and 
the, the man, poor man, has no 

833
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:19,360
idea who I am from Adam. 
And the wife goes, Oh my gosh, 

834
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,920
we've been waiting for you. 
Is Myrtle the dog here? 

835
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:23,760
And I go and get Myrtle, bring 
her down. 

836
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:27,800
I, I mean, I love it. 
They are the most amazing women.

837
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:29,760
They're amazing. 
But hang on, does this mean you 

838
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,400
can never just pop out? 
And that's the trouble. 

839
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:33,960
For a pint of milk. 
That is the trouble. 

840
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:37,360
With no no makeup on. 
No, I've tried it. 

841
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:40,600
And that will be the time you 
are literally stopped and, oh, 

842
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:42,040
can I have a selfie and 
whatever? 

843
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:45,120
Yeah. 
So yeah, it does change that. 

844
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,840
But can I just. 
There's something when you talk 

845
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:52,600
about the influencing and 
promoting things as an actress, 

846
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,880
I was in a lot of commercials. 
Exactly. 

847
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,960
So I was doing, Oh, no, not 
another nasty for, you know, 

848
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:02,560
skin care, promoting all kinds 
of stuff. 

849
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:05,680
And you were paid to do that, to
promote it. 

850
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,520
Exactly. 
Yet I had no affinity with the 

851
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,200
brand. 
Yeah, and when influencers get 

852
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:15,840
such a hard time, we are 
trialling it, we are using it, 

853
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:21,200
we are wearing it in every day. 
Well, hopefully so, you know, to

854
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,080
be chastised for being an 
influencer and just promoting 

855
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,520
stuff. 
I did that as an actress all the

856
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,120
time. 
Yes, I think that is such a good

857
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:32,320
point, I really do. 
And they didn't have a lot of 

858
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,280
integrity. 
These commercials, you know, it 

859
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:37,160
was like sillit bang. 
It was like Wham bang to sell 

860
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:43,760
it, whereas I like to think we 
do put some creativity into what

861
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:44,560
we're selling. 
Well, I. 

862
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:49,320
Think I think you're only going 
to be successful and then get 

863
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:54,520
repeat work if you're authentic.
So, and that's the whole key to 

864
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:56,600
it. 
There is no hiding place. 

865
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,680
So on Instagram, and probably 
everybody knows this, there's 

866
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:04,480
insights deliver immediately 
your successes and your 

867
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,560
failures. 
So you, you know, again, on a 

868
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:09,840
television commercial, you can 
say, oh, this part of the 

869
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:11,880
Maltesers ad, I, you know, did 
really well. 

870
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,640
It may have done well for me, or
it may have been someone else 

871
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:18,240
that was. 
But on Instagram, it's just you.

872
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:22,680
It it's brutal, isn't it? 
It's either worked or exactly. 

873
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,880
So when you see influencers 
working again with the same 

874
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,480
brand, you should applaud them 
because it means they've 

875
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,440
succeeded, yeah. 
Now being in front of the camera

876
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:34,120
the whole time, does that make 
you very body aware? 

877
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:40,000
Yes, I think I had a bit. 
I've talked about this before. 

878
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,240
I've had eating disorders. 
I think I probably still have 

879
00:49:42,240 --> 00:49:43,640
eating disorders. 
I think a lot. 

880
00:49:43,720 --> 00:49:49,040
Of. 
And I had them when my dad died.

881
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,080
I think it really kicked off. 
I think I probably had had them 

882
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:56,440
for most of my life. 
Looking at myself, typically 

883
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,880
through ballet classes, then 
being an actress, always looking

884
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:04,160
at myself. 
Yeah, I'm quite hard on. 

885
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:07,640
I'm quite hard on my body. 
And still now. 

886
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,960
Yes, yes. 
And how does that manifest 

887
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:17,080
itself? 
I think in that every single 

888
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:22,960
thing that I eat, I think about.
Do you still, even though I 

889
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:28,600
consider myself now healthy at a
healthy weight, that's only 

890
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:32,520
because I have to. 
I have to think it all through. 

891
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:36,000
So yesterday, no, it wasn't. 
It was Saturday. 

892
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:41,240
I was at a wedding and ate 
everything knowing that Sunday I

893
00:50:41,240 --> 00:50:45,640
had to really restrict myself. 
So this isn't healthy, but I but

894
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:49,600
I remain healthy because I I 
will eat sensibly but I will 

895
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:53,320
limit what I eat the following 
day and then maybe the day after

896
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:57,720
that to balance out the wedding.
Now that's crazy. 

897
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:02,360
And exercise. 
And exercise, that's got better.

898
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:06,320
So like you, I love yoga. 
Absolutely love yoga. 

899
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:10,920
Would have run when I was really
badly anorexic. 

900
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,920
I would have run if I could, but
it just didn't suit me. 

901
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:18,200
It doesn't suit me at all. 
And I'm very active, but I'm 

902
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:22,280
very flexible and running just, 
I don't know why it just didn't 

903
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:25,600
suit my body. 
And I do tend to walk. 

904
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,680
I do, yes. 
I'm quite, I'm a very active 

905
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:32,040
person. 
I don't have, I don't have an 

906
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:34,840
app saying how many steps I 
should have done or anything 

907
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:36,360
else. 
I don't do that because that's 

908
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,760
really not a good idea. 
Yeah, but I do yoga every single

909
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:41,120
day. 
And Pilates. 

910
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:47,600
Let's talk about hair, makeup 
and manicures. 

911
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:52,680
You used to have long hairs. 
I love your hair. 

912
00:51:52,680 --> 00:52:03,040
When did you lob it off? 
I think it was I, I cut it into 

913
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:06,520
what we call the television news
Bob when I was doing. 

914
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:09,360
The BBC Television. 
News Bob It was the Tony and Guy

915
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:11,400
television. 
News Bob, Tony and Guy did a 

916
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:15,520
really good everyone went from 
BBC News to have a Tony and Guy 

917
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:18,800
Bob and I did that in Brighton 
when I was doing documentaries 

918
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:22,160
for the BBC called Inside Out. 
So I thought I'd better have a 

919
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:26,000
Tony and Guy Bob. 
So because did you feel like 

920
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:29,760
you'd be taken more seriously? 
Yes, yeah. 

921
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,000
Well. 
And I don't know if I was or 

922
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,360
not. 
Then I started to grow it back 

923
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:39,760
and I grew it back till about 10
years ago probably. 

924
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:46,280
And I was doing a yoga class and
my yoga teacher always had her 

925
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:50,440
hair in a bun and she undid the 
bun and it just fell into this 

926
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:54,240
Marigold type shape, short 
Marigold. 

927
00:52:54,240 --> 00:52:56,880
And I said, gosh, who did that? 
And she told me the hairdresser 

928
00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:59,720
who was a independent 
hairdresser. 

929
00:52:59,720 --> 00:53:03,760
So I went straight to her, 
attempted to have that Marigold 

930
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:04,800
start. 
It never happened. 

931
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:09,080
It ended up like this and I've 
followed this hairdresser ever 

932
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:11,520
since and this is how it's. 
Sometimes I have a centre 

933
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:16,040
parting and have a proper Bob, 
otherwise it's a side. 

934
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:17,880
Yeah, no, I love it. 
Do you? 

935
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,520
Absolutely love it. 
Oh, thank you. 

936
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:22,120
I'm never sure. 
Oh, no. 

937
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:25,760
I think it really suits you. 
And it's flippy. 

938
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:29,080
And thank you my very good 
friend Julian Clary. 

939
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:31,320
Always says to me, please go for
a Pixie. 

940
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:34,080
Please go for a Pixie. 
And I just can't. 

941
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:36,000
No, don't it? 
This is feminine. 

942
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:37,800
I think so. 
Thank you. 

943
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,960
Oh, gosh, thank you. 
Tweakments. 

944
00:53:41,720 --> 00:53:44,800
So no, you can raise your 
eyebrows. 

945
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,360
I can raise. 
So I've had the only thing I've 

946
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:51,520
had done is profilo and I've had
it three times. 

947
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:55,000
And I'm beginning to think it 
probably isn't worth it. 

948
00:53:55,720 --> 00:53:57,040
I don't know whether it's 
painful. 

949
00:53:58,040 --> 00:53:59,760
Well, love bites. 
All over my. 

950
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:04,000
Face and neck, it's it literally
comes up as bites. 

951
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:07,760
I I was desperate to have 
something done to my neck 

952
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,200
because my neck and I think 
that's through eating disorders.

953
00:54:11,240 --> 00:54:13,240
It's you know, I lost so much 
weight. 

954
00:54:13,240 --> 00:54:16,680
It's it will never the neck is 
the hardest thing, isn't it? 

955
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:18,960
I would love a neck lift, but 
you can't. 

956
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:20,080
You've got to have the whole 
lot. 

957
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:23,480
Would you ever go there? 
Yes, but I don't. 

958
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:26,280
Want to become a documentary? 
That is the only reason I don't 

959
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:29,520
morally. 
But then I I've just listened to

960
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,960
an interview with Jane Fonda, 
who said she regrets everything 

961
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,880
she's had done to her face. 
Isn't that amazing? 

962
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:42,240
I had Botox years ago, years 
ago, and this eyebrow fell down.

963
00:54:42,240 --> 00:54:45,840
You know how sometimes it can't?
So I was literally holding it 

964
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:49,280
like this for a few months and 
never had it again. 

965
00:54:49,720 --> 00:54:51,920
But the profiler and I don't 
know whether that's worked or 

966
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:54,680
not. 
I've still got all these, yes, 

967
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:58,240
but I think when. 
I look at you, all I think of is

968
00:54:58,240 --> 00:55:03,440
this joyous smile, this huge 
great life and I. 

969
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:06,200
Do think it's on my face. 
Yeah, I have had a great life. 

970
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:09,600
But you know the you've got a. 
Smile and you smile with your 

971
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:13,120
eyes as well as your mouth, and 
I thank you. 

972
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:19,280
I think a a great smile is yes, 
I I think one of our biggest 

973
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:20,960
anti ageing. 
I agree, isn't it? 

974
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,040
I agree and your teeth are 
beautiful. 

975
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,080
Thank you. 
But those are they've they've. 

976
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,960
Had work done OK coming back to 
your. 

977
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:31,920
Clothes what is stay at home, 
chill out Joe wearing when 

978
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:33,880
you're not in front of the 
camera. 

979
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:38,120
So yes, and this is. 
Because I was influenced. 

980
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:41,280
It's what the it's this cashmere
tracksuit. 

981
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:43,480
And they are wonderful. 
Yeah. 

982
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:45,080
They're dreamy, aren't they? 
They are dreamy. 

983
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:48,600
I don't like sports. 
Leisure wear at all? 

984
00:55:48,720 --> 00:55:52,360
I don't wear trainers. 
I don't like track suits. 

985
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:56,720
I just, I just don't like it. 
You only like cashmere. 

986
00:55:56,720 --> 00:56:01,240
So I like a cashmere and there 
is a brand I work with and they 

987
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:05,000
supply me with my cashmere. 
The best cashmere ever. 

988
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,040
And what is that brand? 
It's Lily Silk. 

989
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:09,080
Which most a lot of. 
Influences. 

990
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:11,680
Oh, I they're pillowcases. 
Aren't they Wonderful? 

991
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:13,680
Genius, because it's Mulberry 
silk. 

992
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:15,920
I'm going to my. 
Full in Mulberry silk. 

993
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:17,600
Yeah, Their pillowcases are 
great. 

994
00:56:18,240 --> 00:56:20,160
And do you do you use a silk 
pillowcase? 

995
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:21,640
Yeah. 
Oh my gosh, definitely. 

996
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:24,040
I mean, I take. 
Them with me when I travel. 

997
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:25,880
Do you? 
I do too and when I don't it's 

998
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:29,240
like my face sticky to. 
It it's wonderful you don't 

999
00:56:29,240 --> 00:56:32,200
sweat. 
Oh, your skin just glides along 

1000
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:33,840
it won't You just glow? 
Yes. 

1001
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,520
So on that. 
Note What is date night Joe 

1002
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:39,840
wearing? 
Do you want to know how long it 

1003
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:42,680
is since I've had a date? 
Oh my God, because I was 

1004
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:45,600
dreading you asking me about my 
pyjamas, well what I wear in bed

1005
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:48,400
because I was saying I've have 
not slept with anyone for so 

1006
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:52,240
long but I still there's more 
information than I was asking. 

1007
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:56,240
Just volunteer away, Joey. 
Date night, right? 

1008
00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:01,720
It's so weird, Amanda, I've had 
so many dates that I feel I 

1009
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:04,040
don't ever want another. 
Isn't that awful? 

1010
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:07,040
There was an actor called Ben 
Mendelssohn. 

1011
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:09,200
I'd go on a date with him. 
He's probably the only person 

1012
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:10,640
left in the world. 
I would. 

1013
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:13,320
Are you listening? 
And I did actually meet him in 

1014
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,520
Marilyn High Street. 
He's he's an American Hollywood,

1015
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:18,400
very successful actor walking 
down Marilyn High Street. 

1016
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:21,440
And I literally accosted him. 
But he was lovely because I had 

1017
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:24,000
my bulldog. 
He made such a fuss at the dog 

1018
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:27,200
and I said please come on my 
radio show, please come on my 

1019
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:29,680
radio show. 
And he went, he's Australian. 

1020
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:34,000
He went, OK, I'll put my number 
in your phone, which he did 

1021
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:39,200
every day for about a month 
afterwards I would go on my 

1022
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:42,360
radio show, say to my producer, 
can you on air, I'd say this, 

1023
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:45,520
can you phone Ben Mendelson and 
see if they go? 

1024
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:49,120
And she would phone him and we'd
have the dialing tone going out.

1025
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:52,560
Never answered. 
So I have no idea who's nobody 

1026
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:54,840
going. 
If I was going on a date with 

1027
00:57:54,840 --> 00:58:00,200
Ben, I would wear an LBD always,
a little back dress always. 

1028
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:03,600
And what length to? 
Mid calf. 

1029
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:07,960
I have a little black dress that
I bought from those days in 

1030
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:10,520
Brighton. 
Paul Smith. 

1031
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:13,480
It is, and it's like it's very 
similar. 

1032
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:14,640
That's why I love what you're 
wearing. 

1033
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:18,000
It's like a tube. 
Very similar sleeves. 

1034
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,400
Except it's. 
You can wear it off the shoulder

1035
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:22,480
or on the shoulder. 
Pull it down. 

1036
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:24,960
Oh sounds perfect. 
The date warms. 

1037
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:27,840
Up. 
Start to wiggle out a bit as I'm

1038
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:30,320
sitting there. 
Oh my gosh, I've worn it. 

1039
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:36,000
It's always my go to and I 
actually interviewed Paul Smith 

1040
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:39,400
and told him that I've still got
that dress and he went. 

1041
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:41,360
I remember he's amazing. 
He went. 

1042
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:44,000
I remember the fabric you of all
of your. 

1043
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:45,800
He went. 
I know exactly where we got that

1044
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:48,920
fabric in Italy. 
Yeah. 

1045
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:50,960
Amazing. 
Do you like him? 

1046
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:53,200
Do you like. 
I think he's brilliant. 

1047
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:55,200
I. 
Really, really think he's 

1048
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:56,160
brilliant. 
Yeah. 

1049
00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:59,560
How would you want someone to? 
Describe. 

1050
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:04,400
Your style DNA in three words. 
Cool. 

1051
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:10,920
Hippie chic, I like that. 
Do you think that's appropriate?

1052
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:13,880
I do actually. 
It's always going back to the 

1053
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:16,080
70s. 
You know, with the wide legs, I 

1054
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:20,200
like to think I'm cool and I can
be chic, but you're also quite 

1055
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:23,320
glam. 
And yeah, see, I never. 

1056
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:25,440
Think of myself as glam. 
You are. 

1057
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:26,200
Am I? 
Yeah. 

1058
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:28,240
I take that as a huge 
compliment. 

1059
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:32,480
Thank you. 
Travel. 

1060
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:35,040
Are you a good Packer or a bad 
Packer? 

1061
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:41,200
I'm a last minute Packer. 
I throw everything into I've got

1062
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:44,520
this thing about luggage. 
I I refuse to ever have anything

1063
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:47,360
on wheels for a long time 
because it annoys me. 

1064
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:51,080
The sound of these bloody 
wheels, says the Five foot. 

1065
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:54,880
Exactly. 
I know exactly 5 foot nothing. 

1066
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:57,520
But I just thought, oh, this 
dragging these flaming wheels. 

1067
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:01,760
So yes. 
So I don't have a handbag on 

1068
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:03,120
wheels if. 
I not you. 

1069
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:06,040
I do now I do. 
Now, but I was in Amsterdam once

1070
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:08,960
and we were going down the canal
and it was really early and 

1071
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:10,640
people ahead of me were boom, 
boom, boom. 

1072
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:13,320
And I just thought all those 
people on the boats are hearing 

1073
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:16,240
these flaming wheels. 
So I like luggage. 

1074
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:20,160
I like to carry luggage or now 
probably because I'm travelling 

1075
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:23,640
a lot more. 
I do have wheels, but I leave it

1076
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:29,160
to the very last minute and I 
just Chuck stuff in these 

1077
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:31,600
influences. 
I mentioned Amelia Liana, she 

1078
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:34,680
will start to pack a week ahead.
So in her spare room she has all

1079
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:35,920
that. 
I never do that. 

1080
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:38,400
It's a cool string. 
Yeah, I just. 

1081
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:42,440
Chuck it in my basics. 
And a couple of nice date night 

1082
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:43,480
outfits. 
That's it. 

1083
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:47,120
And favorite luggage? 
Well, it is my old. 

1084
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:48,960
Canvas bags. 
It really is. 

1085
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:50,520
What are they? 
They're not Barber. 

1086
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:54,200
What are they they? 
They are canvas with leather 

1087
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:56,400
handles. 
Oh my gosh. 

1088
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:58,720
I got it from a fishing shop in 
the lanes in Brighton. 

1089
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:02,280
Massive and they go down in size
so I've got 3 sizes. 

1090
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:03,720
Unbelievably heavy. 
They well. 

1091
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:06,520
By the time you finish. 
They oh gosh, they. 

1092
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:08,680
Are. 
But they're stylish, you know, 

1093
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:11,240
they're battered. 
I remember seeing who's the 

1094
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:13,320
young actor? 
Oh, my gosh, it's a very young 

1095
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:17,320
actor who arrived with that 
luggage and he was packed. 

1096
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:18,560
And I just thought, good for 
him. 

1097
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:20,720
He was like carrying. 
Well, I was about to say, And 

1098
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:22,400
muscles. 
Bulging. 

1099
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:28,040
Yes, actually, Yeah, exactly. 
I've got to just ask you your 

1100
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:31,240
approach to sustainable fashion,
right? 

1101
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:40,280
My excuse is that I pay price 
per wear, so I as I've admitted,

1102
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:42,320
that's not an excuse. 
I think that's a. 

1103
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:45,400
Completely. 
Just so I don't do fast fashion,

1104
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:47,480
I don't. 
Do High Street very, very 

1105
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:50,120
seldom. 
When I do High Street, my 

1106
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:53,040
clothes are my friends. 
I love them and I will bring 

1107
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:55,920
things out. 
And I said, Oh yes, I remember 

1108
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:59,280
the day I bought that I had a 
habit as an actress. 

1109
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:03,080
Every good job I, I had, I would
buy an item of clothing. 

1110
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:06,880
So I'd say that was from the 
bill that was from Silent 

1111
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:09,840
Witness that you know, these 
were the outfits that I bought 

1112
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:11,720
and they and I would invest in 
them. 

1113
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:15,400
So they are my friends. 
So in a way that's sustainable 

1114
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:17,920
price per word. 
I also have a thing. 

1115
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:21,320
You're going to hate what I'm 
saying now I have a thing about 

1116
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:25,920
vintage pre judge me vintage on 
vintage. 

1117
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:30,640
I'm vintage. 
Wearing vintage can be very 

1118
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:34,520
ageing. 
If you're young, vintage is a 

1119
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:38,880
novelty and it looks great. 
If you're more mature and you're

1120
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:41,240
wearing vintage, it can make you
look really old. 

1121
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:45,960
Very interesting. 
Point very interesting point, 

1122
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:50,960
but I I I love. 
That the Kate Mosses, as we were

1123
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:53,920
saying, the Sienna Millers can 
go down that route, wear their 

1124
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:55,920
mothers clothes, their mothers 
coats or whatever. 

1125
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:58,880
You can't when you could be a 
grandmother. 

1126
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:00,960
Would you ever buy a vintage 
bag? 

1127
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:03,080
Yes, but do you know it's weird 
I'm. 

1128
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:07,400
Really not into bags, and again,
I think it's because I'm so 

1129
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:11,160
small I seldom wear a coat. 
I hate wearing coats. 

1130
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:15,080
You've had Rachel Stevens on. 
She taught me because she's my 

1131
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:16,880
height. 
She went just wear them over 

1132
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:18,920
your shoulder. 
Never put them on because you 

1133
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:23,160
get smaller. 
So I very seldom, I hate 

1134
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:26,000
carrying bags because it makes 
me look more cluttered. 

1135
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:29,920
I like to be quite linear. 
So no bags. 

1136
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:35,600
The whole MAS thing I do, it 
saved your fortune. 

1137
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:38,080
Literally saved me a fortune, 
hasn't it? 

1138
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:42,160
It really has. 
Right, let's spin on some quick 

1139
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:44,920
fire questions. 
What fashion advice would you 

1140
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:51,160
give your 20 year old self? 
Grab the platforms as soon as 

1141
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:54,160
you can find them. 
Height, height, height lengthens

1142
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:56,560
your legs. 
Gives you more credibility. 

1143
01:03:56,560 --> 01:04:00,120
Sorry, but it does. 
Interesting, Which fashion? 

1144
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:02,840
Trend would you most like to see
make a comeback? 

1145
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:07,800
Very much. 
The Maxi's I love the Max I know

1146
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:11,520
you love maxi's. 
They're still there, you know, 

1147
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:13,800
more long dresses, more long 
flowing dresses. 

1148
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:15,800
I love them. 
They're so romantic and you 

1149
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:20,320
could disguise your massive 
platforms underneath fashion or.

1150
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:25,080
Beauty trend you'd consigned to 
room 1010 eyebrows. 

1151
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:29,480
That porn star eyebrow. 
Thing. 

1152
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:32,240
What is that? 
Because they don't cool and you 

1153
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:38,040
know, you just see that they're 
all drawn on and and or tattooed

1154
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:40,560
on or whatever they do. 
I never got that. 

1155
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:42,760
That's slowly going, thank 
heavens. 

1156
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:48,080
But yeah, the shading and the 
eyebrows you last impulse by. 

1157
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:51,320
I'm waiting for them to. 
Arrive tomorrow. 

1158
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:57,200
They are now correct me on this.
Is it Amina Mouadi? 

1159
01:04:57,480 --> 01:05:01,400
Amina Mouadi. 
They're snakeskin boots, which I

1160
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:04,640
ordered now they'd get. 
So I printed. 

1161
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:06,920
Yes, printed. 
Oh God, yes. 

1162
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:14,000
I've got a a couture dress that 
I bought last summer, white with

1163
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:16,720
white daisies on that are a 
pliquet. 

1164
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:21,280
So they're they stand 3D and I 
can't wear them with any shoes. 

1165
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:23,480
And I thought, no, I'm going to 
wear them with a knee high boot,

1166
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:27,560
very 60s. 
So yes, that so I've bought 

1167
01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:29,480
them. 
They haven't arrived yet, and I 

1168
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:31,880
was thinking on the way over 
here, what on earth am I going 

1169
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:35,800
to wear them with? 
Even with this white dress, you 

1170
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:38,520
know, they're a risk, but they 
can go back. 

1171
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:40,640
They can go back. 
Yeah, where? 

1172
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:43,520
Was the couture. 
Dress from Amanda Thompson. 

1173
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:47,320
She's in, not. 
In Notting Hill she see this 

1174
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:50,080
work. 
She offered to lend me something

1175
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:53,880
when I said on air that I was 
going to Ascot Ladies Day and I 

1176
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:58,320
said on air I really don't have 
anything and she emailed me and 

1177
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:02,760
said I listen to you as I'm 
working everyday in the studio. 

1178
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:06,360
Can Ioffer you something? 
She's in All Saints Rd. 

1179
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:13,640
I went and had a fitting and it 
was this dress actually, and she

1180
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:18,280
lent it to me with a coat which 
I've worn all winter, a white 

1181
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:20,800
coat. 
And I came back and I went, can 

1182
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:23,080
I buy these from you? 
Because, and it was not her 

1183
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:26,120
intention, she said honestly, 
Joe, you know, you can borrow 

1184
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:27,400
them whenever. 
And I went, no, I want. 

1185
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:32,320
So I'm now a customer of hers 
and she has off the Peg, which 

1186
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:35,120
is called by Frank. 
Her dog is called Frank. 

1187
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:37,840
So you can either have couture 
or Off the Peg. 

1188
01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:39,240
Yeah. 
All sets. 

1189
01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:40,680
Rd. 
Amanda Thompson. 

1190
01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:45,680
Your views on tattoos hate them 
Beauty treatment you. 

1191
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:50,400
Couldn't give up. 
Gosh, I love a facial. 

1192
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:54,320
I love a facial but I like if 
I'm going to have a facial, I 

1193
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:55,920
don't want just this hand 
business. 

1194
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:58,880
I want a good old Cathy Odermy, 
do you remember? 

1195
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:06,760
So yes I have I have Cathy 
Odermy or Casey as it now is 

1196
01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:12,000
fairly often and my profilo high
end or high. 

1197
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:16,280
Street high end bling or bear 
Bear. 

1198
01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:21,680
Minimalism or maximalism? 
Golly, I've grown into. 

1199
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:28,600
Minimalism, but I was very one 
the pools all out there just 

1200
01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:35,240
keep adding layers matching. 
Couture or charity shop couture 

1201
01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:39,560
as I say, can't do vintage. 
On vintage Crocs. 

1202
01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:42,680
Cute or puke? 
Oh my gosh, Puke I. 

1203
01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:45,360
Mean even though they've brought
them back and they're like, you 

1204
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:49,920
know, trendily naff or kitch or 
whatever it's just the thought 

1205
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:54,360
of your feet sweating really 
sneakers or. 

1206
01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:57,320
Stilettos, stilettos, bags or 
shoes. 

1207
01:07:57,320 --> 01:07:59,840
Shoes. 
Boyfriends or wide legs. 

1208
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:05,800
Wide legs always cover those. 
Platforms body, con or boho? 

1209
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:10,960
Boho sports lux or rock chick? 
Rock chick trend or style? 

1210
01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:13,920
Style Cashmere or cotton 
cashmere. 

1211
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:21,439
Order or editor editor charity 
shop or resale charity shop. 

1212
01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:27,920
Beanie or Berry beanie, 
Shapewear or sexy lingerie. 

1213
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:30,200
Sexy lingerie, tights or 
stockings? 

1214
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:32,920
Stockings always bikini or one. 
Piece. 

1215
01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:34,800
One piece. 
And finally. 

1216
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:37,160
Traditional last. 
Question at the end of the day, 

1217
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:39,240
what do you or don't you wear in
bed? 

1218
01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:43,120
So I do wear silk pajamas. 
From Lily Silk. 

1219
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:46,399
I mean, this isn't a collab, but
I do if you, if you've had their

1220
01:08:46,399 --> 01:08:48,000
billow cases, try their silk 
pajamas. 

1221
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:50,560
And in the winter, I do wear 
wincyette pajamas. 

1222
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:53,439
I sleep alone. 
But I love that Doris Day look. 

1223
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:57,880
You know, Joe what? 
Honestly. 

1224
01:08:57,880 --> 01:08:59,920
I could have gone on and on and 
on. 

1225
01:08:59,920 --> 01:09:04,080
I know we've gone massively over
already, but I've got another 50

1226
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:07,920
questions I want to ask you. 
Amanda, this has been cathartic.

1227
01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:11,240
I also feel like I've been in 
the psychiatrist's chair. 

1228
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:14,000
I have told you things I haven't
told other people, which is rare

1229
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:16,640
because I never shut up. 
Oh, well then I've done my job. 

1230
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:18,640
You have done. 
Your job, You're so good at it. 

1231
01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:19,479
Oh. 
Thank you, Joe.