Hello, I'd like to learn Brazilian please.
Oh, oh, why don't you listen to some Brazilian podcasts?
Sure. But why?
Because, I think they'd be fantastica Pre-K podcast.
What? Now I'm panicking.
I love your voice all over the place.
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Bible being rude. No, no.
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you brilliant device but but I feel a bit sick.
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magic bean. They are turning you Brazilians.
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like yeah. You it did these come from
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What do you mean by this? It's audio.
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And I can use their imaginations but yeah these look great all
around the world. Everyone should listen to in the
AF. Can you say that in Brazilian
Portuguese? I mean, you just did I love you
audio loving folk and welcome to another glorious episode of in
daf with me. Sarah golden, hello.
I think this next guest on my I'm so excited needs a drumroll
of awesome. So come on Pat those thighs and
build for this man. That voiced gorgeous characters
in the white V spine secrets and killed her for starters who
produces and creates a contador. Their history has Audio Drama
podcast in Portuguese. Brazilian alongside many other
podcast and leads to big and idea our quality assurance in
brasilia's is the Uber talented, very exciting.
Creative Danilo Baptist. Tilly alone.
Thank you for help. I am to know, it's taken a few
bits of logistics to finally get us together to chat.
But I am, but we got excited. So yeah.
So you work out of São. Paulo is that correct?
And in Brazil? Yeah I'm the state of São.
Paulo, If your geographically accurate I am from Santo Andre.
Okay, amazing. We should all go there on
holiday podcasters. Let's go suddenly Yeah, you've
been creating for queer a while, right?
So so tell us please. What is happening for audio
fiction? In Brazil, has there are big
scene. What else?
Could folks, enjoy and get stuck into as well as searching out
your works? It's a grown thin actually.
I've been listening to audio, dramas here in Brazil, since it
was almost nothing, it was almost exclusively.
There is one big as the biggest podcast in Brazil.
It's called Magic cast. They're guests and they produce
it. A few audio.
Dramas like from companies they have like, one from Halo.
It was a partnership with Microsoft, could even, they had
like a few stuff like that, but it was only on that podcast.
People didn't produce other Audio Drama fall in fiction
podcasts at all. So when I started producing my
own podcast, the scene was really almost nothing here.
There was only your Pioneer. Yeah, on the resin.
You seem almost I believe I believe.
It's so we had some storytelling podcast like it would be
something closer to lure podcast like only one narrator telling a
story about something that actually happened or didn't
happen. Majorly.
What something that happened? Some storico thing, but there
was an audio fiction. So there was something growing
when I started. I mean When I started producing,
I got in touch with another with more podcast producers in
Brazil, there was a growing seen on mainly on tabletop
role-playing game podcasts like actual play podcasts and
suddenly there were I don't know what happened actually but there
was a boom Brazilian podcasting and there was a lot of audio
fiction that started to just simply born those out of
nowhere. They were starting to like a lot
of like When I listen to audio dramas for from USA from Europe,
I mean, there was a lot of audio fictions.
You have like BBC you have like inaudible you have major
companies, but there were, there's also a lot of Indie
podcast. They're produced not a fiction.
And this is has started here in Brazil.
I mean, like maybe five years four years ago, there was some
minor podcast starting to Do something on their own and today
we have like an audio fictions seen here.
It's not as much as from USA or Europe but we have like a lot of
different shows, different people producing different stuff
like comedy, True Crime, some of the applications from
role-playing games to audio fiction.
So today we have a scene and I'm I really enjoyed this because
like when I started producing my own stuff, I didn't have much to
know. Like, where is where is Brazil
in audio fiction? What do we have here?
As Indie podcasts? But it exploded.
Yeah, brilliant. And I'm sure you're a part of
that right, explosion. And as much as I'm certain that
people handed out your work and thought this is great.
I want to do it right. So look at where you've helped
create right, it's right. Because of beautiful
storytelling. It's wonderful.
I mean, I had some Look like when I started producing my
podcast. Like, I mean, I've I've
participated in other people spot, guess they like wanted to
know how did I create coated or giusto areas and stuff like
that? And I mean, one thing that
really stood at me like something one, other one other
podcaster told me. It's like I'm I wasn't the
podcaster when I started producing my own podcast.
I mean, I have a graduation in musical production.
I've always worked with post-production Studio.
Bill's music studios voice acting Studios.
So, I really had the know-how on how to produce something on
like, how to do sounds. I know how to do Foley, how to
mix. So, when I started producing
podcasts, I had this whole background behind me so I could
do something like that. And in my opinion like it, it
had quality already. It's it's not like someone who's
discovering how to record audio like when I start my pot because
I was already A professional in this audio seen.
So. And but one thing that I didn't
was like a professional, he was starting my boss because I
didn't know how to podcast like my first episode.
I've uploaded a wave. Like it was 1.2 gigabytes that
my first step is then I didn't know I thought.
Well but Chasers would likely choose to automatically convert
them 23 or something. I had no idea you had.
Yeah, so I mean I had audio knowledge but I didn't know
Podcasting knowledge. I I was starting to do audio
dramas. I was starting my own writings
and stuff. So so I was part of this
community. I didn't come like from the top,
oh no one can talk to me because I'm professional.
I mean like I was talking to everybody so I feel like I
helped with people who doesn't have this knowledge didn't have
this knowledge to I mean oh you can't do your own Sunshine from
home. You can do that.
You did I mean you don't need professional equipment
professional studio, you can start like with not most
expensive microphone in the world, you can use freesound.org
to look for soundscapes and sound effects and some people
and stuff like that. I love free sound to everybody
who puts their their sound effects on their if you're one
of those Take a Bow, you're amazing.
There you go. I hope you take the bow.
And that's what's exciting. Isn't it?
And how did you, like, build your podcast, knowledge with
their places that you went to to find things?
Or was it your true trial and error as to what happened?
Next? As, for my podcast, there was
always some trial and error. I'm, I mean, since I've already
worked with audio with post-production with sunshine
and stuff, I had an idea, unlike and I also I've listened to a
lot of podcasts. Guests.
I listen to a lot of great stuff from like never wear from BBC
Radio, four, starters from BBC Radio 4.
I had like good audio dramas that I had in my mind.
Okay, that's how a good other drama sounds.
So I need you to do something that would sound like that.
So I had something like I want you get here.
So let's build this. Let's build this up.
I've listened a lot, you Audio Drama, production podcast that
It really, really helped me. Yeah.
Because you know, it's like it's how I got in touch with at first
with other podcast Audio Drama producers yeah.
Like because like I said, when I started producing my there
wasn't another, that wasn't other auditor on producers here
in Brazil that I could get in touch that, I could speak on.
Oh, hey. Let's let's chat let's like
understand how everyone do their own thing.
So I didn't have that much. I was doing Doing what I was
doing, basically. Like, okay, I think this is
correct. So I'm doing this and some of
this podcast in English. Like I said, I'll do
reproduction podcast some other in the podcast that I started
listening back then and I start to talking with people like Rhea
from guerlain space pod cast. So there's like there we have
for a while we had I mean I was in a Audio Drama Network that
doesn't exist anymore today. It was Faith Crafters.
Yes. Guess that so Satan, right in
the tea. Yeah, so he was one of the first
people that I actually talked when I was starting producing my
own stuff, when I was starting to listening to other stuffs,
and it really helped me to get to know how was the scene out
outside. They're so, like, you guys
started from somewhere. So, let me, let me try.
To figure it out. How did you start it?
What is happening out there? So it can happen here also?
Yeah, no I love that and that's it.
There were some key figures went.
They like Paul and I was very sad that Paul fell out of love
with audio fiction have to say. I think now he's writing like it
seems a book, every two and a half weeks.
So he's putting his creative energy into book writing which
you should check him out. But yeah, there's some wonderful
Productions and yes he was very keen to help nurture the audio
fiction kind of community. At that time.
And, and I think I did interview him about creating fake Crafters
actually, on the Audio Drama, production podcast, previous to
me being on there with Fiona thrill, Matthew, McClain, and
Robert Cub more started. If you haven't heard of it, oh
my, please go and check it out. There are some amazing
brilliantly useful episodes that still a relevant today.
I really do feel so yeah, check it out.
I'll put links on there in the show notes, but that sounds a
really exciting kind of origin story and I think as well, you
know, you coming. From music.
For me, some of the best sound designers are those who are
musicians to write, it must be something about.
I don't know, your sense of timing and Rhythm and putting
things melodically together, I'm not sure, but some of the people
I adore workwise, you know, that they are the best of that.
I mean, how would you say that your musical background has
really helped you come into your full with this podcasting, what
elements of it you thinking most useful I believe like everything
you said like him Raiden as in harmonies and like you have some
meals acknowledge, you have like an already, you're trained like
your, your Resort you had like, at least, you know, what, to
listen to you. You know what, when you're, when
something doesn't sound right, you have an idea on.
Why isn't it son, right? And like, from not only as a
music, but as a musical production background that I
have, like, I already had some Um, I studied in college like oh
how to use, accuse compressors, how to mix, how to use reverbs,
how the compressors work and stuff like that, and that really
helped me. Like I didn't use a lot of data
only for sound when I started working with audio.
Like I said, I started working at a music studio.
So, I, it was mainly for vocals, drums instruments and stuff.
Like, but you practice like what not?
Only to listen. But but what are you listening?
What are you hearing in? Its some frequencies are like
okay, so maybe I should turn this down.
Maybe you should try something to blend in all together and
right, I think that's what really helped me.
It's like really to know that the audio is like an audio
dramas like a junctional is a mix of everything.
Like there's voice their sounds and there's music.
There's a lot of stuff going on there and for music you You can
think of that like, every instrument, every person in the
band that it's like an individual voice.
So there's like different instruments.
They all have to blend in to get together.
They all have to work together. It's like supposed to work in
harmony, they're not competing one against each other.
So I believe that's what that's what really helped me, I believe
so when I started to get the music thing into Audio Drama,
thank you. And I love that.
And so what in Matt, would you be as a voice actor in that mix?
Would you say I reckon I'd be a flute flute or a piccolo e or
maybe a clarinet. Maybe a bit deeper a little bit
older. I've started them when I started
studying music. I started with guitar but I've
sh every person that knows me. I'd like from my background in
music knows that I was downsizing my problems on like,
oh guitar, you have like, you need a An amp you have pedals,
you have a lot of things that, you know, I don't want that.
So I've started going to base, you'll get a base, get an amp.
The the amp is too big, it's like.
Okay. So today I play a lot of flutes.
I have like a Louis. So I have a shakuhachi, I have a
disease, like a Chinese flute. I have a lot of flute, should
they? Because it's simpler like I just
need things for meant. Yeah, I love that.
Anyone who needs a soundtrack with any of those instruments,
you know, where to go now. Yeah, thatthat sounds amazing
and Brilliant. And I think I'm so excited to
hear that, you know, it is a thriving community and I don't
know, we haven't yet connected and I wonder whether that's a
language thing, right? Because a lot of the podcast are
probably in your native language right there.
Aren't any English ones or their or German or Chinese?
I don't know. Other other languages are there
or are there? I don't know.
Is it, is it all in in Brazilian Portuguese?
Yeah, I'm in hybrid, I have. Have some in English that I
produce it because like, I I made a lot of friends on the
audio community on the audio, audio fiction community and I've
always felt like this burry this barrier, like I produced things
I have sent to them. Hey, I listen to this and they
like, I don't understand. I don't understand a word but it
sounds amazing. Now, I can't like teach everyone
watching is so I was like Dang, have from time to time if I try
to produce something in English, even if it's just me, like, I'm,
I'm doing all the voices. So I like, I just want you to
share like some of my creative to within a language that.
Yeah, my friends from outside, Brazil can understand what I'm
producing. Sure.
Yes. Really.
But I also think like, but I also think like it's important
to also focus on the native podcast like an in Brazilian
Portuguese. Rodriguez because like, tribute
a scene here. Like it's, I really think like
we had, we in every language must have like some good
examples. You have like to focus on your
native language on to produce things.
So, I try to do something in English, like, just for fun.
I've never tried to really, oh, I'm trying to produce a podcast
in English, so I can make some money with it.
So, I can be famous. We love, I mean, I mainly
produce stuff in English so I can For these people that I know
that speaking English, that are my friends that, like know, at
least what I that I do. Audio fiction can see, hey,
here's what I can do and this, you understand in this language.
Yeah. I mean I must say I have had a
listen to a couple of episodes that have been on your website.
And and I don't understand a word of it like in language, but
their richness of your sound design and, you know, they're
the emotions obviously of the characters and was conveyed, you
know, you can Get a sense. I mean, I did the same with, you
know, a gentle podcasts have done in the past, a mix of one
part, half of the podcast is in English and then it's the same
thing in Italian or the Italian first and then the English
economy. But yeah, I really love that
because that gave me a chance to.
I could listen and understand what was going on either first
or after, you know, sometimes I listen to the other language
first and then try and soak in and guess, because I have a
vague kind of, understanding of some European She's right.
Yeah. And then just listening to the
English and the oh that's what that meant.
So I love that. I love listening to things in
language and I think, you know, you've been on the white.
Well to right, which is a developed in some other
beautiful languages coming into that.
And I I think other people should embrace more different
languages into their podcast because as you say, they're
probably a rich seen in all of those different countries that
you could draw into to sharing these wonderful audio fiction
world. But yes sir.
You're going to say something glorious, not just your finger,
actually that I mean, white V. Sure deserves its recognition.
I mean, it's it's really awesome.
The first time I've listened to you then and I was like, wait,
they are speaking Chinese. And there's like okay so now
she's speaking in English. What should just pick a spoke in
Chinese so and they're like Modi cast from many parts of the
world and like when when Travis like got in touch with me to get
you liked your voice sector character in season.
Real was like really awesome. They are astounding those two.
Yeah, whatever they do will in Scala Productions, check them
out. I'm sure you've heard of them.
If you listen to any audience and one other thing that I like
to comment about like when you said like you don't understand a
word but you kind of understand what is happening.
I I wanted to make something like there is one episode from
my podcast is a Any serious that I've done it ended last year, it
called, some prosecco in English would be Galway Shadow, it's a
Call of Cthulhu Adventure that I've played with, with my
friends on tabletop RPG and that I've adapted to all your drama
and one of the characters from the game he was Ukrainian and I
will start to do. I've started doing prologues for
each character's to before the main story and thus this
Character story started with how he was born.
Like, he was born in the Ukraine.
His mother died when she was given birth to him.
And I've decided to I'm going to record in Ukrainian this first
part like and and so, like there's is all yo, there's no
subtitling, there's no nothing but like you get like the
beeping machines from Haas like to do you get the nurse likes?
You the doctors, you the doc. You don't understand like what
you think you can get from the Ocean that like okay, so it's
something urgent something's happening and then you got a
flat line like to, you got a baby crying, you got a doctor
saying something like in low voice so you get like, okay, the
modern died like that, something like this happens, you make
don't know the words, you may download the language.
But when you get all this stuff together and get sound design,
you get the voice, you get the with the soundtrack.
So, okay, you got you. Contest, you can build on your
on your mind. What's happening?
Even if you don't know the language.
Yeah I absolutely love that and I have to say as well we stand
with you Ukraine, I cannot believe the world is a crazy as
it is. So yeah.
Hello to any Ukrainian listeners, I hope you're doing
well in spite of the crazy but yeah, no that is immense and I
think that's why I love audio so much right.
Is it does have those kind of raised barriers that you can
suddenly think I'm immersed in this lie?
I know what's happening and I know you're beautiful like this
connection. You listen to yourself in a new,
it goes straight into your mind. Like not like visual went where
you see what's happening like in audio you, you build that.
So it's like a creative process like you're part of that
process. Yes.
It's not like it's it's giving you on the screen like the
audios give you enough so you can build a rest like however
you want. Yeah, I totally agree and I mean
that sort of was my next question is Do you think Audio
Drama is, how do you define it? And I think you've kind of done
that and will surely you're reading ahead for my Christmas.
But yeah, I mean are there any shows that you really enjoyed
and or made yourself that you really think use the form
brilliantly? That people should definitely
Listen to. I think my my favorite like one
of my favorites, at least and I got lucky that it was one of the
first that I listened to his addiction 0f is Yeah, it's
currently on its sixth season. Yeah, I mean, it's awesome.
It's when I first listened to the is it like it had it all
like the sound design, the soundscape, the voices, the, the
story and every it connected to me deeply.
I mean, it's it's awesome. I love, I love ya.
Europe is I agree. Jack Kincaid is a genius and
immerses himself in his work. He should check, watch actors.
What is a filmic kind of mind, right?
And when people say movie for your mind or Cinema for your
mind, or theater for your mind? Jack Kincaid is a definition of
that. With these things are great.
Honestly, it's your mind to enjoy all immersive.
Yeah, and anyone else you'd pick out as being Groove?
There's one that I really enjoyed.
I'm really sad. Like they're they never released
the, the, the sequel. But like there's front.
It's from Coach Studios. It's called ancestry book.
One if they made like it's two hours long but it's a fantasy
world. I mean it's so reach it had, it
has original music, it had great voice acting, it had, I'm not
sure where the voice actors were from but there were some every
different accents there, like I was in that one.
Yeah. That's okay.
You don't have to but no I enjoyed that very much in Dane.
Dane Russell Leonard 7 is the genius behind that whole so did
something called the full which I was dreaming, crumbly and a
few others and how we had the best fun.
And we always saying tit today, like finish it.
Look at me, it sounds amazing. But now Danes working with a
good few other people on some amazing shows.
Gosh, of course what's he doing right now because working with
one scholar, isn't it? Or I guess.
Yes it is. Your right is fallens color and
also been working with them Austin Beach and the terms are
on and Steve Schneider on onward, tastic and some original
music as well for all sorts of people.
So Dana's Astound, I think like your good self, right?
He's an all-around, he's got this beautiful musicianship at
the heart of the things he does. But but yeah, I mean, for that
was his first ever thing was the fall.
And I think I'm stressed do a second.
And he said sound designers Well, he did sound design and
music for darksend, which was from them broken.
Bird Productions, which I think sounded great was like a
neo-punk. I didn't who is just astounding,
they're exciting and what he was doing in that.
So yeah, I love those examples and they're quite a massive,
aren't they? There's you are young the middle
of that action and it's only through sound.
I think it's beautiful. There's one other podcasts out
of fiction. That was one of the first that
I've listened to it. It at least this.
Once complete, like it had a beginning and an end and I
really love just like, it's about time.
That's Matthew and Robert having fun again.
Do you know what? I've seen that?
I mean that was done what seven years ago and it's like number
two, in some countries, still people are still finding it and
listening to. What did you like about that
one? What was it that Drew you to?
It's about time. I felt like this, the whole plot
of it like a time travel agency car.
It's like that sounded awesome like it didn't have like much
sound design. It's quite as the, an audio
perspective, it was quite simple but like the characters they are
funny, the stories are funny and the premise like okay so they
work in a travel agency and there's like traveling through
time okay so there's something there.
Yeah yeah I love the characters. The The the theme song was also
really catchy. I mean, I'm frustrated that that
Matthew McClain is had to do a paid job fiction because I think
everything like to use touched his turn to groovy go, there you
capitalism. Yeah.
You having to make money to live, you know, I mean saying
that? Well we're talking on that.
I mean, how do you fund your Is the like Grant systems and arts
council's kind of thing or has it gone through patreon and
crowdfunding kind of thing fixed I started I had I had no Patron,
no nothing. I've had like a it's a patron,
like here in Brazil, it's called padding.
It was the first one I had when I had some help from the
community and there were like, okay, that's really cool.
But then I had I was changing jobs.
So I was leaving the studio. I was was currently working on
and because of that job changing, I would have to, I
would have to change my production.
So I canceled that Patron thing. So I started doing some stuff.
More, some simple Productions like that.
I could keep up from home. And then because just a quick
note, like when I started doing my own podcast, I worked at a
voice acting studio here in Brazil.
And I was a post-production mixer their hand.
So I had a lot of luck that I was like, yeah, I was able to
record my shows with like, professional voice actors here
in Brazil. So that's good.
Lot of luck. Yeah.
And I was like, I never wanted
my podcast to be like my income. I didn't want you to leave on my
iPod. So I podcast was always like
free. Like a, you know, I never had
like Paid stuff advertising or nothing like, I'm because I
didn't want this podcast to become another job.
So I was like, no, I want to keep money away from me.
It's mainly when I started paddling was like 20 so I can I
can pay for, I can get music, I can get a sound effects but
better sound effects for Bigger Productions, like pain everyone.
At least like what they should be paying them.
Even though they were like doing as a sort of friendships of like
The voice actors were like no can I can you record it for me?
Okay. Thank you like that since I
wasn't making money with it. I was like, oh that's okay like
that. I explained to everyone like
this is a personal project is my podcast is.
My story is, I just want you to do that.
Like do you want to record a voice for that?
Yeah, so I had a lot of luck in that and also I was starting
like I said earlier, I didn't have the know-how one
podcasting. No, no other fiction nowadays
like I really I mean I still have the same thing in mind when
I produce my own stuff. It's, I want to keep it away
from. I'm not I don't want it to be
like a job or anything. I want to be something personal,
but I also get like, I want to do some.
I have I want to do some professional work.
I had once you do some professional and with quality in
mind, so nowadays, they have like this, okay?
I want you. Pay everyone.
What's there? What's their share?
Even though it's for a personal project, like I think the
nowadays, my podcast is like I'm on that.
I'm on that, I forgot the word in English actually put on my
knees. Anyway, I'm I had little a long
way here and I think like I'm not I'm no longer a starting
producer. So I know what things cause I
know what thing, what people are Rog, right?
Like their time is also available as I'm so there should
be paid and like so when I started producing I use it like
non-free music. I because I didn't know their
their range like how to do this. Like so I knew I was using and
here in Brazil we had like we have this coach or like there's
not it's a bit satellite actually, from mice perspective,
from an audio professional perspective, but broadcasting in
Brazil, they never really showed Shown like, oh, we have to pay
for music. We have to pay for stuff like
given big bigger podcast. Like they always use like video
game music as a back sound backtrack.
So people here in Brazil, they tended to, okay, so if the if
bigger podcast are doing it. So why can't I do it?
Mmm, it has like this, we started wrong in this from this
side. After my first year with the
podcast I've decided, okay, I don't want to use things that
like video game, music, movies music.
I want you like, if I'm going to use Music kids either free or I
paid for it and stuff like that. So, I've changed my mentality
producing my podcast and for other audio Fiction podcast for
other podcasts in general. Like today there's more, there's
more Awareness on like you shouldn't be using Music from
movies, or video games or stuff. Like it's you don't have the
right to use it. Okay?
You shouldn't use them nowadays. There's more Awareness on this.
I know a lot of audio dramas podcast here in Brazil, now that
they use free sound, they use free music like free meals.
I forgot it for free music archive because so they're.
So, there's more awareness, should they like if you wanted
to Even though, like today you have Spotify, you have a lot of
other players and they have like, oh you're using this
music. You do not have a right to you.
So we're taking down this app, so we're taking down this
podcast. So that also helped bring this
awareness. Like you want your show to be on
the air. So, either you use Music, you
have license for or either you baby and here, we have a Kaji.
It's an institution that like your, if you pay a Kaji
supposedly, they are paying the Artist.
And that will, that's, that will give you the right to use the
music on your show. So you have to pay the the right
for it for this organization, this organization, when you're
using music, from other bands or artists and not like music from
art least epidemic, sounds or stuff like that, right?
And also, you know, there are plethora of hugely talented,
musicians out there. Right?
And if you use sites, Like the Audio Drama Hub on Facebook, to
say, I'm looking for someone to compose this.
This is my budget. Is anybody able to do it for
that then? Yeah.
I think that's a could be the start of something beautiful
relationships right. But yeah, that's like good to
know other people to get in touch and then maybe an old.
I loved working with, you can, can we work another time
together? Yes.
Yes.
It's all about the relationships.
Isn't it? So, yes, I love love.
Love to hear some of your Works, as I'm sure the listeners were
to write. So we jump in and have a listen
to some gorgeous clips of your show.
So we start with some DS, digitize, this bust us.
I'm so sorry if I'm saying it to her.
No problem. This one, this one's a long
title. But yeah.
So why have you chosen this to share today and what can people
expect? This is my latest bi-sexual,
this the most recent work I have done actually just digitized.
Sighs in English would be a digital days.
It's my cyberpunk show so I had the first season food for season
then I recorded the first see the first episode of the second
season and then it hit the time that I had to change jobs so I
did I had a crowd funding to do the second episode that was like
four years ago, it didn't go well.
So and then it got. So the project was a bit like
Well someday but I'm really anxious for him but it will
happen. You more of.
It will have no no. But I really want to tell the
story. So this year, I said, so guys,
I'm doing it back. I'm doing it.
Okay, so I've opened another crowdfunding and this time it
worked. So this episode is really isn't
and this is the trailer for The for this second episode.
And I mean, it's, it's, I really enjoyed it.
It has really like a trailer look alike on the Soundtrack on
the on the phrases on the voice actors but it's something that
I'm really proud of on Howie turn.
I've had the feeling it really captures.
I think this the cyberpunk essence of the show and it's
it's okay, raise your hands if you're excited to listen.
Yes, story is in here in Brazil. Just digitized his pasta
Services Congress. And it's made there in Brazil.
Let's listen to this glorious. Taylor are you ready?
Sitting comfortably enjoy. Because intervene crying my eyes
out this is a pillow - model Melissa is fondling job will
fall out of med card or Senator abbate pray.
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member we do me. Quantum, OK, Google the yard so
far like you say, hey this is Tom
well, if you, bro, It's a spiritual experience.
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So abuses calm Bruce. Oh my God, days a lily, I want
to learn. Brazilian Portuguese to
understand sound. So epic actually I'm very groovy
indeed and I think from the music is you say you know just
that signposting how it feels. You can kind of tell who the
villains might be a little Heroes, this just sounding are
pictures from the trailer, so very cool indeed and I'm so glad
that you're, you know, you've got that funding to be able to
tell that story obviously it needs.
Stupid child. I mean, I was like, in love with
the store like, for years years and I was like, no, I need you,
I need you. So, I'm going to do this again.
Okay, everyone. So this time, let's make it work
and I'm glad it. I'm glad it worked.
Yeah, well, me too, for your, you know, passion for telling
you to, It's Just So Glorious. So yeah.
Obviously, if that's what to do your whistle, as they say over
here, then jump in and find it. Brilliant and this I've listened
to some more because so exciting.
So so the Divine Divine poles. That's an English.
Actually. Trying hard?
Yes. Tell us about Divine poles.
Divine father was my first English production, like that,
that I guess I said like I want you to do something that my
English speaking friends can. First and so I had this idea for
a BBC contests but I didn't finish the script on time for
the contest was where I really enjoyed it.
The idea it's like the what if you wake up someday and find out
Divinity is your best friend. That's what happens.
You Carol. So it's a short story.
It's like there's this girl Carol.
She has a dog called Milo and one day she wakes up and her
dogs is speaking and the The plot is like, why is she
speaking? So this was my first production.
I got a I got really lucky. Also on the voice actors.
That that help me out here. It's Madagascar and Greg McAfee
and him Cleveland's that the are the voices on this show.
Some it's like glorious names their.
Yes, thank you. That's naughty nice.
I got really lucky like it. I put up the auditions and I got
like some great voices and they really feeding the character
like I Didn't like I had in mind and the clip I sent you is the
first two minutes of the this episode.
Let's have a listen folks. You ready for more excitement?
Here we go. Hey wake up already, five more
minutes. Come on, I'm hungry human.
Wait. I was talking to me.
Oh, holy crap. Good morning sleepyhead.
What that Milo is that you? Well, who else could it be you
live all by yourself your mom's out of town.
You have no boyfriend. So yeah, it's me, but you're
talking, I mean, how how, you're a dog?
Okay, good and dogs. Don't speak like I find that
hard to believe. Walk with me, human.
What just happened? Divine boss.
I must be dreaming. I just need some coffee and I
could use a snack, right? You're still talking.
Hey, watch it. You could have hit me.
Sorry, I just I can't. This must be a dream.
I must be dreaming, maybe if I pinch myself, don't do this.
I told you what, how? Why are you speaking?
Who are you, what? Okay, Carol sit, But said My
Pal. Okay, good girl, very good.
Grab a cookie. Thanks.
Hey, now if you don't mind, I've spent the whole night without
anything to eat. Oh geez.
I'm sorry buddy. I'm so sorry.
Since this was the third time, this happened, I've decided to
talk to you, talk to me, just sounds the most glorious fun,
right? I mean, I love that story and
they were so perfect for the characters.
Yes. And yes.
Oh, I haven't had that one. So, I definitely want to dip in,
as I'm just nod your head if you're listening and you wanted
Yes, like to nothing going on. I love that.
And I think that the pure innocence of it to, right?
So that that demographic can be quite wide-ranging.
I'd imagine. Or is it getting a bit more
risqué later? On is a more simple story but
it's like, it's also it's fun. So it's like it's relatable.
I think, like not like we heard our dog speaking, but I quit
many people have pads unlike many People have all maybe a
wondered, like what, how would you speak if you could, what's
on your mind? So did I love this story?
I sent you, the link for the full episode on this chord.
So thank you because I love that.
I think giving voices to things that otherwise don't have them
glorious. So what was it?
Not? It makes it makes a sound.
Was that? One way, all the things talked,
I think. But yeah, there's some and the
lovely piece on 11th hour from Casey Wayland as well, when
things were talking inanimate objects, but I love that.
So, yeah. No great.
Great concept. And and so we've seen your very
first and your most recent piece.
So, so folks, if that hasn't wet your whistle, I don't know what
will. But yeah, I mean and the depth
of sound you had in there, right?
I mean, how do you approach sound design?
Can you talk us through? Kind of a Typical edit session
and what happened in, what order and how and where things started
together. I know it's hard in audio to
describe the process but yeah, sure.
Give to people as to how you work would be awesome.
Yeah. I mean, as far audio fiction,
it's one of the approaches that I had.
Like when I start, when I started doing audio work for
audio-visual for movie for TV, like I did a lot of soundscape
When I was starting. So I feel like a reach
soundscape. It's it's half the job on like
help on the immersion side. I'm like you to put the listener
right there on that scene. It's more than just the more
direct sound effects as like footsteps, clothing, etc, etc.
You have like this soundscape like wind air conditioner
refrigerator noises on the a background.
Like these are the things that you can relate you on a daily
basis. Like if you're making an audio
drama, that's two people walking on the street.
Like, okay. When I walk in the street, what
do I listen to you? Like not only the footsteps, not
long, the character flipping, his phone or something, but like
car noises horns, people, screaming, construction sites.
So when I Start Butte in an audio drama.
This on my sound design sessions.
I always start with the soundscape for the scenes.
So is this scene in interior? Indoor, it's inside a house.
So I try to picture in my my head.
Like what is, what does this house look like?
So if I'm going to put, like the refrigerator noise, making this
like when the frosting or something like Like I need to
pan it to the right of the scene.
So okay, so the refrigerator goes there and if the window
should be on the left side so I'm going to put a bit panning
on traffic noises, maybe some bird noises to indicate, there's
the outside. So I try to picture in my mind.
What does that seem would look like in my mind?
So I can try to so I can start putting the elements of the
scene there. So, The first thing I do is
soundscape that I start adding the voice, the voice takes so I
can, then use the direct sound effects.
So I can, I think this way is easier because I can try to look
for sound effects that matches the the acting.
So, I mean, if the, if the characters talking a bit more
rapidly and we beat out of breath or something, she is more
urgent. So I'm if she's walking, I'm
trying to find some I'm trying. I'll try to do.
Maybe is some footsteps that aren't exactly radiantly.
Maybe some kids once in a while that's like she is a fast Basin.
I think, I think it's easier like this.
I think it's also helps with the immersion because it feels
connected. It's not like you're matching
one sound effect with one voice. Take because you like that sound
effect. Yeah.
It should be it all should be
connected. Well, the voice, the acting of
the character, its it should be the same acting as the sound
effect that you're using. So this is my how I at least how
it start doing. Audio seems soundscape voices,
then I add the the, the effect. So it's everything's placing
where it should be. Yeah, brilliant.
And you've already talked about, you know, some of the places you
get your sound effects, but you are also a master of your own
Foley. Right?
And yeah I mean do you get the high heels out and you're
clapping on different floors as well as you know, manly boots
and womanly sandals. You have like a vast library of
things. You've collected over the years
and utilize those. I mean, yeah, Foley Foley is so
exciting for my stuff, nowadays for footsteps, I have like huge
libraries that I use nowadays. I like to do clothing sounds.
I think it's It helps be like when I do fully for clothing, I
literally, I take the clothes, I create a track for, okay?
So this is cloves for this character.
I played the scene and I tried to mimic, like, what I think
this character would be moving in the scene.
So I record myself. I think that helps like, for the
cloven part as far footsteps, I I feel like it's easier and I
get better results. Should they with laughs library
of once? I mean, I will I started doing
Foley like, on my first internship, it 11 years ago so I
had like a huge library that I that I things, that I recorded
things that I've bought from all these last decades, so you might
have some hard drives, right? Mainly, I use.
I use cloud. Should I use?
I have Google Drive. I have Dropbox because I had
hard That let me down once in a while.
So yeah. So cloud is my to go nowadays.
Do not play me and what are your top tips for folks, who want to
make their own Foley? Anything?
You've learned along the way you can impart as get advice, you
try it. You should try to match like not
matches budget finger something but like I have a lot of friends
that they like, they bought condenser microphones and they
use Like in an apartment with no sound proof at all.
And if you use like a condenser microphone, a high-end like a
studio quality, microphone, it captures more, if you don't have
a way to yes. Brew, soundproof something
somewhere in your house, like, it will catch a lot of fun and
unnecessary sounds, so you can probably hear the birds outside
my window right now, right? Yes, and I said, 500 yards.
It's very sensitive microphone. Yes, and I have like four people
that want you to fully that's like and at home you can do it
but try to get more. Try to look for dynamic
microphones. I think it's a better approach.
You can limit on, you can limit better on where you want you to
get them the sound for even if it's not a soundproofed
environments, you didn't know you don't have a home studio,
you do. Have a acoustic panels all over
the house. So Dynamic microphones are
really helpful on that. You can do on home and mainly
use creativity. I'm in full, that's what got me
into Foley when I stirred when I first started working with it.
Like well I remember to this day, my first fully that I work
on the studio. We were doing a truck slowly
parking on the outside of a farm.
And we went you the Foley closet that we have, we got like an old
barbecue grill, some chains. There was like, okay, so we're
going to record everything. Then we're going to add it.
Some stuff and we're going to see how it sounds.
And when our later, boom, there's a trick.
When you don't have the nowadays.
I I haven't my Twitter, I post, I think in YouTube also like
this is something that I try to do to these.
Day that I've tried to like, do something that's different.
That sounds bigger. Like, but using only household
appliances, like, I my most recent to try on these.
I did a Transformer, the transforming from the car to the
robot Transformer using, like some metal stuff that I have
here, like mic stands beer bottles then, Okay.
So now let's beat something. Let's do Reverb that stretch
like a Foley is most about not getting what it sounds like the
thing in the real world record that and sound owed.
Here's that, that works for some stuff.
Yeah. Match doesn't sound like a lit
match. Does it know we're fooled every
day for seen him on theaters. Like, bunches doesn't sound like
dad's full. We, when we walk, we don't make
much noise as movie movies the This like everything is a bit
amped like on the audio sides. So I remember my first.
Try trying to record flipping the page for a book.
Yeah, damn books. Don't make that are clouds.
So like you get a newspaper, it's a better paper quality.
So you try to look for other things that do.
These might sound just like what I'm looking for.
I mean, my fluid is mine. My to go when I need a gun with
one second dose of Life Foley. Now this is exciting folks.
This is my flute. Yeah.
So I'm taking the pieces back like so now I have 3 pieces of
the flute separately. Yep.
Don't shoot. Don't shoot.
Yeah. So like, I mean, it's a flute
but it works to you when, when you, when you put in context,
when you put it in the scene, it works both for audio and works
both for video. Like, for a video, you have the
visual, you have a gun on the screen.
So if you hear like something like this, you can match it to
what's appearing on the screen for audio.
If you have like someone saying, hey, don't shoot, and you have
this simple like this, like you have the context.
Okay, that's again, you don't need, you get a gun and Airsoft
gun or something like own mechanical.
Like you just have something that sounds like, and yeah,
that's pretty much it. Like, pay attention to your your
surroundings. When you say, maybe there's
something inside your house that will, if you give it like a
punch, maybe something like that.
Oh, that sounds cool. Yes, go punch things, hit
things, turn things, squish things, wiggle, things and do
things with the things in your house.
You never thought you would do. You'll find some astounding
sounds just wonderful sounds right?
So yeah I love that one. Little bit of advice and and
also now, right people can Source in daf for a gun barrel
making sound. Find this episode.
Get that gun sound. I want to hear a podcast.
Now, with that sound from this podcast in.
Please tell me when you do it. Can't wait.
But yeah, I love that. And that is the creativity and
it is. Now I remember going around my
DIY Shop thinking just a squeak this thinking of when I turn it
does it squeak enough for adding to my, my opening door, you
know, there's some various things you can do, you can do to
make sound like other things. Brilliant.
So now, today we have I've come to the time of the audio.
Friction quiz of audio loving Joy.
Are you sitting comfortably? Please don't sweat?
It's kind of hard. It's a bit.
It's kind of warm.
Here it is. Okay.
Maybe maybe put yourself down fast.
Dramatic music, please. You are an astounding voice
actor. What kind of dream character do
you want to play? And why would you want a lawyer?
Play a villain and I mean, a more cartoonish lie.
It's all about trying to be more serious.
I love trying to do this more cartoonish voices, and I've
never got a cartoon part for audio.
Dramas. Okay.
Well, you've had it, make it so Delino would be amazing.
Fantastic question to. What have been the biggest
challenges for you and audio creation of the last few years?
The last few years, they have 30 seconds to answer that one.
Okay, on that on that coffee. Cthulhu Audio Drama that I've
created. I had to somehow put like a Mist
coming out from where kind of water mirror thing and people
were getting a bit crazy. There were like shooting there
was like this strange creature bumping for a gay.
There was a lot of happening right there.
In this characters, the main character on the scene, he gets
pulled into the storm water mirror.
Everything shifts, like the outside starts to blend in with
some ocean. Sounds underwater thing.
It was like a 15 second scenes, but this transition was really
important to me. It was one of my favorite Parts
when I was playing that game and trying to blend in so many
effects. Like, there are four characters
yelling at each other and one side of the the mirror there's
this transition, the character getting pulled From food, from
one dimension Dimension. It's like there was a lot of
elements to blending together, but you did it, we need to ask.
Where is that? And what podcast was that?
It's from the third episode for someone as you go away.
Okay. Let's listen to that fakes and
see if the new lace is it. I'm sure you did amazing.
What is the funniest mistake stroke learning experience is
what I like to call them that you've had so far in making I'm
not sure it counts. The one I told you earlier that
I uploaded my first episode with 1.2 gigabytes.
Okay. I have to ask you another
question, you've canceled already, okay, what are you yet
to achieve in audio fiction creation that you're aiming for?
I never, I never did something like Western like or Senor,
right? Samurai like something more
Japanese or your Western Samurai that collusion together of
yours. No, that sounds amazing.
Yy-you drawn to those stories. Where why I love this?
I love their soundscapes like Western soundscapes.
It's something that really draws my attention.
Something also, as a samurai, Japanese Ninjas stuff like that,
they have like you have like cool approaches.
There's for example the game Ghost of to Shima they there's
an interview with the sound, we have the sound cruel for that
game. I think it's on sale dark, that
podcast. I forgot our isn't own banders.
Now it's in sound dark. That podcast.
If I'm not mistaken and they're, they're like, they had this
approach. Like, oh, when, oh, when you
think like a samurai, cut a katana and sieving from like you
have like this shit and they that's like what?
Movies taught us, that sounds like, and it's actually much
more Steptoe and goes of tsushima, sound crew, they have
like, a more realistic. Stick approach to sound in this
kind of context and I really think it would be really cool to
do some raw stuff and as in both of these scenarios.
Yeah. I love that.
I also want to play now. A ninja it doesn't say anything
but you just hear the squeaking floorboards of them and, you
know, they're around. God, this is so great.
These answers, okay, which characters to you've played as a
voice actor, are your favorite, and why?
What should we listen to that? You mean, I really like the one,
the Sasha, and st. Kilda because he is, yes, he's a
bit different than other characters that I have that I've
played for audio dramas because he's a bit more, like, he
doesn't like people his his kind of like his own for Robbie, but
other people, it's like, it's really different from what I've
played try and I really liked the character and I really like
the story. That surrounds everything there
and because Keanu from for white Vault because it's it has a bit
of a range. Like the first time I recorded
him, he was like, doing, oh, hello.
So you want to do some sightseeing in Argentina.
It's like, and then by the end, the love this show.
Why are you? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It has a beautiful, menacing crazy Arkin, It was really cool
doing that. Brilliant.
As we love to be challenged right about this.
And then what would you personally like to see more of
an audio fiction? And why what kind of genres?
I know you've mentioned what you want to make, but what do you
want to listen to? What do you want to enjoy more
of in the audio feature landscape?
I really my favorite genres. Things like never wear from you
game on some fent your urban fantasy.
You know, I we have a A lot of sci-fi, a lot of crime, a lot of
sci-fi crimes on a Sci-Fi Thrillers I once I I would love
more shows on that happens on our world but like there's some
Twitch in it like there's some fantasy element in each but
something that feels like more urban.
Yeah I really love that. I if you Any recommendations,
please let me know. I mean, I don't I think I'm
running out of kind of shows like this.
Yeah, paying them to us. So we can share the latest one.
I think I've listened was fairy. I think it's Anna Spotify,
exclusive, okay. Yes, fa e.
IE is Mary. Yeah, there's some glorious
stuff out there too. So yeah, any more
recommendations ping me a quirky voices and Twitter and danila.
What's your Twitter account? People can ping you too.
It's h c. DH guests.
Take a So Glorious. We can, we can get some more
listening together, brilliant. So, so finally really I mean,
you've got such a wonderful amount of experience and I
think, you know, from what we've heard today and other bits I've
heard you are gloriously Deft at making things sound just
pristine and so exciting to listen to what would you give
the best advice for someone just starting out now, not quite
sure. Where to turn, what to do and
possibly wearing all the hats. Like you have previously Vice,
what advice would you give to those folks?
As I believe, most of the people that gets into Audio Drama.
At least for my experience that are people with some background,
like, at least a little experience, maybe with tabletop
role-playing games or huge movies, like Lord of the Rings
Star Wars and stuff like that. Keep it simple when you start
doing something like that, if you're Doing a first production
don't try to do a war among or examine elves with magic and
dragons and you know, that's too much cost.
Ya, for example that I've sent you like it's four characters on
the whole episode. It's all like in one house.
My first Audio Drama that I that I written that though in
Portuguese, who courted, you tell, its In English.
The hotel hotels room. It's like it happens in just one
room of a hotel. It's like one character and
other voices appear like, on the Telly on a telephone on a
recorder, and that's it. Like, so it's simple.
We it's like, okay, I can start with this.
It doesn't have like a lot, you concentrate on.
So I can get like, okay. So how does for audio only I
shall I build a landscape? A soundscape, shall I?
Build this sound effect? So, so, keep it simple on a
first Productions, I believe this, because if you, if you for
people that start doing something greater something big
and yes, like you, it has no experience, it can be a bit
frustrating like, oh, I can't do a dragon voice.
Oh, this dragon breath exploding.
A castle. Doesn't sound realistic.
Like, you have to build up your way.
Understanding how things work and also like for Audio Only.
We it's a different medium than for a theater for a movie for a
TV show. Yes.
You have to understand like what works with all your only and how
does it work. So listen to a lot of stuff
because background is really at, if you know how a good stuff
sounds you know at least you know what, you want to get you,
where do you want to get you? So listen to a lot of stuff and
when your start producing keep it simple.
Love that. And I think a lot of folks, you
listen to this podcast. I quite seasoned creative
makers. And I wonder what you would have
is advice to them for really pushing the boundaries of audio
and what you'd like to hear them doing in their own audio show.
One thing that I really enjoy like because when if you're
doing something like oh this is a creation of like you're really
want to create that Yuri. You have passion for it.
That's have the work in it to like you.
It's something that's since you're Startin.
You start building with passion you will try to achieve the best
result possible. So I'm not sure like if some of
those creators like they're going with the flow, like oh,
there's a lot of people listening to Thriller podcasts.
So I'm going to try to do a thriller podcast because that's
what people would, that's what people are listening to.
You like what do you want to listen to you and try to create
that slide. So yeah, you've got your heart
in it. Yeah.
If you want to grab through it because that's okay.
Sure. Go for it.
But maybe if you don't like that and you're created that because
it's what's on the media. It's the shows that are popular
are kind of like that like you want to do something fantasy
something more, childish something more like recently I
your You're on there. I think you aren't the one that
I was going to mention the I forgot the name, the one from
its from the Pooh Bear. I'm sorry out back.
Yeah. So I'll see you later.
There's like I love that shirt, that show.
It's awesome. And so it's like it's simple.
It's it's different. It's it's for all ages.
Actually. I believe shows, I love that
show. Yeah, and maybe if you if that's
what you What, what is it kicks her boots in like you want you
to produce stuff like that. So, do stripper, do stuff like
that. I think the beauty of that show
is, as you say, there's the components are simple.
In as much as you know, the story is paired right down to
Essentials. And you have an array of
characters with very different voices and very different
rhythms and Melodies and all sorts.
And then I'm lucky enough to be the narrator, which is just
broke my life and you sounds awesome.
The ice until they stores to my kids, right?
And, and I had them from my parents when I was younger.
So yeah, as you say is for all audiences that I've got friends
with kids who are listening, as well as, like, Pals of mine of
my age saying. Oh, so lovely to listen to that
again, if you need a Moment of Zen.
Yeah, I agree. That's a groovy podcast but
thank you guys so much. It is doing things that you have
got a foot in the door of loving with all of your heart because
you spend a lot of time with it, don't you?
It's not like it takes you two seconds to make a mean.
Could you do you have a breakdown of like how long one
of your episodes would take of your wrote recent project?
I mean, how many hours did it take you to do to do that one
episodes since I do like literally everything alone on my
podcast from like production from recording editing and all
stuff, like it's a lot. So for example, for that
two-minute trailer for The just digitized that That you played.
I've spent, it was about six hours on a Sunday.
See, I mean, that's astounding, isn't it?
And that's what it sounds so caught up.
That's like, that's like two minutes.
Yeah. Yeah, this is it.
I mean, I know I've been dialogue editing.
I was nine podcast just for a couple of episodes now and
absolutely enjoying that very much.
And and that takes me. I think it's six hours for the
dialogue edit for 20 minutes, right?
And then I passed that on to Oliver Morris who absolutely
adore and he takes care of the beauty of sound design and music
side of think. So.
Yeah, you know, it does take such a long time, doesn't it?
And that's the other thing to factor in, is your time versus
your quality of life to. I hope you're doing some
wonderful fun things outside of podcasting to get you out in the
open air Danny Way, Brazilian, gorgeous climbs, I like staying
home, but yeah, can be difficult.
No, but I trust you because since my my full-time jobs also
editing voices, like, I'm a recording mixer for a voice
acting Studios. So, I try to like, at least
playing some video game, playing some bass, playing some music.
It's like, you know, how life sound so groovy.
Yeah. But it was a try to put take
some time out of audio software to edit stuff to record stuff
and you know, no I I got like, does that a lot?
Yeah, no it sounds immense will hearty.
Thank you for joining me today on this episode.
I thank you very much for enjoy it as much as I have our
honestly. It's so groovy to talk to you
and your I mean there's nothing you can't do anything.
It can seem to be able to do everything brilliantly, which is
amazing. So give some to us.
Will you just share a bit out over the sound waves for
everyone to share a bit? But now I really wish you the
best of creativity. Of excitement in the next things
that you do and the best of success.
And yeah, keep being amazing. And let's get some more
connectivity with Brazilian podcast people.
So yeah, thank you for having me.
You're amazing, take care. Stay amazing.