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Ladies and gentlemen. 
Yay, I even did Joseph today. 

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Yeah, they're everywhere. 
Now your is mine. 

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Six. 
Magnificent 8 actually out of 

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town. 
Thousands. 

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Hundreds possibly, maybe say 
menu. 

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I mean, there's should be so 
many more right anymore. 

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Yeah. 
Come on. 

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Female creative Show Yourself. 
Care yourself. 

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Yeah, yeah I don't 
hear their left a bit. 

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Everywhere. 
Now, you're is mine Six Women 

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seven, women 898, groovy 
creative, women out of many. 

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Many many creating an involved 
in a huge amount of amazing 

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Audio Drama shows met together 
for international women's day 

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2023. 
From all curvatures of the globe

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to discuss the state of audio 
fiction today writer producer. 

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It looks good on you. 
Thank you girls. 

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I mean, I might have to take 
some of, though. 

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I don't quite fit in my boot. 
I thought you were just pleased 

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to hear. 
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Should we just get on with this 
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Yeah. 
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But I'm doing. 
Folks to celebrate International

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women's day, 2023. 
Welcome to a new badass episode 

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of badass in dif. 
Women doing badass in daf things

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for women and everyone. 
Yes, made for Dad. 

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As you, excuse me. 
Badass-looking creative woman. 

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Hello. 
My name is Jordan. 

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Mackenzie badass, 
extraordinaire. 

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Welcome to Georgia live in 
studio right here, right now. 

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Can you please tell me how you 
get that? 

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I'm My Own woman and I can do 
anything. 

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I love my life bad. 
Look and sound. 

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Well, I'm a woman and I'm making
things how I want. 

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And when I want to, yeah, I am 
creating juggling life, the 

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universe and everything, and 
that makes me happy happiness, 

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fuels the world, share the happy
happy. 

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Indeed I write I collaborate, I 
produce and so much more super 

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amazing. 
How about you Chris a? 

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I too am a creative on and off 
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Some work and much play. 
They certainly makes me a bad 

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ass by name, badass by Nature. 
Hey wait, your name is Chrissy 

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bad and some circles. 
Yes. 

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But in a good way and you 
superwoman with yeah. 

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My old yet badge. 
Yes tis I Floyd Kennedy. 

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Oh hang on shall I get my uke 
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I do know. 
It's not that kind of podcast 

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today. 
Float our shame. 

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Yeah. 
On a scale of one to create of 

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badass. 
How creatively badass are you? 

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Well, I feel that if all the 
people Snail. 35. 

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Yeah, bless them everyone deed. 
Yes, if all 35 of them could be 

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rounded up and have their own 
badassery collated, I'd be 

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badass of them that I'm so sorry
for making. 

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You say these terrible words? 
Floyd off that I've seen worse. 

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Ha ho see bad as an action and 
you groovy lady Anjali here. 

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I could happily run a master's 
degree and that a stir it and 

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kicking a podcast career into 
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Where do I sign up? 
Yeah, I like the sound of that 

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to Tina Daniels here. 
Hello. 

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I'm like, so Keen to do 
Collective, creative badassery 

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to? 
I mean, just let me add it. 

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Who's with me? 
What seed, apple and vocal form.

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And otherwise I have developed 
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boss type levels. 
And I'm, oh, so Keen to share my

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creative top tips with the 
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You know what? 
Folks, I Lindsay Harris. 

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Real em. 
So, creatively badass, I'm My 

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Own Boss and take myself. 
And anyone that wants to out to 

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dinner, it's bad, then, bang out
to lunch, as I often. 

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Right. 
Well, there you go. 

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Folks. 
There's 7888, so you ate that 

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us, creative women, doing badass
AF, things all about to share 

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their creative, badass review on
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International women's day. 
Special be careful out there and

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listen to our show and I've 
makes me so happy. 

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Please. 
Reshare our publicity, any 

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publicity to your social media 
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Yeah, and asked us to guest on 
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don't mind. 
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and help us pass on industry, 
helpful, creative newsletters 

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like the Fiction podcast weekly.
Yeah, and industry. 

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Building educationally ask for 
Coast like admit and India ever,

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right? 
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And you know, if you like 
anything, we do tell the world 

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and Targets in it. 
It means a lot do it. 

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And can I let you into a secret?
Dude, you can only hear this 

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particular podcast if you're 
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Hello all and welcome to this 
celebratory in daf meet a twit 

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episode of women in audio 
fiction with me. 

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Sarah Goulding. 
Andrew, and my audio creative 

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Legend of a power Lindsay. 
Harris real. 

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Hello Lindsay. 
Hey, well, hello all live, got 

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eight, beautiful creative Souls 
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actually not bulking at doing an
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Still sketchy did beautifully. 
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treat today, we have a myriad of
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here introduce themselves 
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pressed. 
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Angela, Yee, hello and welcome. 
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Thank you for the invite. 
My name is Angela Yee. 

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I am the creator of a 
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residents of Persephone a park. 
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season 3. 
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I am also the production 
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Lots of podcasts there. 
So, please come check us out, 

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raising sea. 
So, glad you're here. 

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Chrissy, talents h-hello, it has
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Khmers 9, buddy. 
Hello, hello. 

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I am Chrissy. 
Tell him stage. 

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I'm a Los angeles-based Creator 
here for the show, Madison on 

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the air where I take actual 
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and adapt them with a modern-day
girl Madison along for the 

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adventure, total comedy, total 
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It's such a great show. 
If you haven't found it, my, my 

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you have a treat in store and 
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Proper Ones to welcome and Floyd
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you. 
Thank you so much. 

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It's so great to be amongst you 
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badass women, my eye, my podcast
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it's a question that started 
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And so I created a an audio 
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Same age as myself. 
Am I allowed to say elderly? 

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To you? 
What you feel. 

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You're badass. 
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superhero skills as well. 
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So heck yeah, Julius Adventure, 
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When iíve listened to To it, and
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That's what we need more. 
All right, Pizzaz from funny 

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energy, and good, great, 
brilliant creative in this 

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world. 
So welcome Floyd and under 

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Georgia, Mackenzie. 
Hello. 

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Has as so good to see you. 
Hear you. 

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I am the writer director and 
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One of the lead voices of fast 
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Yes, Best years of your life and
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jury's still out and I'm over 
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Oral stories on our podcast. 
I'm also on a number of other 

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projects all over the place. 
I've been on ostium for about 

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seven years playing Monica and 
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other things. 
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and hopefully they'll be more to
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lot of new projects. 
Come we will be clamoring to get

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you in there shows right. 
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joining us and matze the pool. 
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Welcome. 
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Thank you for having me. 
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the Creator director writer 
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All that an analog style 
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called heinie. 
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It has a queer and by podcast 
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Philippine immigrant who's by 
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accidentally get her gets her 
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Supernatural, events in Toronto.
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doing our fundraiser for it 
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finale. 
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I also make comics. 
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doing too much and I'm 
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I'm enjoying every bit of it. 
I'm so glad you found time to 

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join us today to share your 
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you'll be inspiring our 
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welcome and last but not least 
here is Tina Daniels. 

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Hello Tina. 
Hey I am a boy. 

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Actor and co-producer on moon 
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It's on the table and falling 
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And we're on our last season and
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It's weird to think about. 
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coast of been involved in on 
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He welcomes, tinnitus is great 
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because So I agree repair, 
Lindsay, Harris, real is here. 

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Yes, sir. 
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Audio Drama writers independent 
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provide. 
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exercises and strategies for 
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starting out or they are feeling
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to try something new. 
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I created co-created yarn socks 
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Something like that. 
Only 21, right? 

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When I'm mere child, a mere slip
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audio and I also edit and send 
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for the podcast. 
Oh, huzzah, sand, right? 

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The most brilliant articles for 
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First host on huge variance of 
making and I know they've saved 

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my bacon and introduced me to 
lots of things, a lot of the 

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time. 
So if you haven't found those 

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yet, follow the links on the 
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What an amazing collection of 
amazing creative women you are. 

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Thank you for giving up some 
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So first question, I'm going to 
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the place that you think, folks?
Because discoverability Is the 

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hardest thing we're going to 
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Where do you think? 
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Most thinks, most folks must 
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why, where do you get? 
No, oh my goodness. 

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I personally I feel like I'm on 
every place that could possibly 

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allow me there every morning, 
that's my job is to get out the 

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word I think for to reach other 
podcasters, Twitter has been a 

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great place. 
And certainly if you're an audio

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drama Creator, you're looking to
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because you love the genre. 
So there's lots of like we all 

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listen to each other's work but 
to reach strangers, I've been 

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finding a lot of the subreddit 
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Drama is a really great place. 
There's definitely a boost there

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whenever I throw out my name and
whatnot and again you got to be 

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engaged though. 
It's not just drop your your 

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info and go II. 
Tried to engage in other 

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But I think that's a really good
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like to Sumo audio, dramas, but 
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that's the thing, isn't it? 
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People get the bug and they 
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And people are there saying, you
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your own, then people listeners 
become creatives to, right? 

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into our own medium Angela. 
What are your thoughts on that? 

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help that? 
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it's still very important 
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My mouth. 
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promote yourself in person but I
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effective. 
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actually much better at 
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start he's gone all his friends 
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like oh no people it's 
embarrassing enough people that 

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you know will listen to your 
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will like your post, who will 

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share your stuff who will get 
the word out. 

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It's those people who, you know,
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And We'll help you out. 
If you if you want to do like a 

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sound, the alarms, like call to 
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who will share their the ones 
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know. 
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remember where you come from and
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long run, and that's a tough 
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It's like getting that, that 
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do you think for example, You're
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kind of involved in creating 
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the way to go to also kind of 

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cloy together so that we're not 
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doing everything. 
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networks and developing? 
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networks, I feel as though a lot
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aren't the only thing I would 
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have to be, you have to be 
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different places where you can, 
you know, see where your 

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audience is, and sometimes it's 
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because, you know, it's good 
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just a really wonderful because 
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enthusiastic about your work, 
sometimes more enthusiastic than

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you yourself. 
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Even if let's say you don't see 
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example, getting feedback like 
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Like people who say, if you're 
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and other people who are in this
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makes you keep going. 
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when you start Gathering more of
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important thing, but it is like 
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Thank you. 
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whole thing of the fine line 
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your publicity out there Floyd 
Some good tips that you've got 

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that helped to get your show out
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much in the environments. 
People get annoyed with you. 

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I have a good tips. 
I'm I struggle, I really 

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struggle same. 
I've never felt that I know 

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where to look and that it is. 
That thing of, where do you find

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people who like to listen to 
podcasts as against other 

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podcasters and I tell you 
something that Gave me great 

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comfort was a was it at the Pod 
Fest or was maybe some other 

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webinar podcast Little Anthony 
recently and someone so many 

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really experienced podcast a 
very successful millions of 

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listeners. 
Whatever was asked a question. 

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He said, keep going for four 
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And I thought okay, I've only 
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Establishing that it is a 
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Really establishing yourself as 

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sort of like the doing something
for what is it the thing about 

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doing something for 10,000 try. 
So yeah. 

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Yeah that whole Theory yeah 
something like that but also I 

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have found a picked up the odd 
new listener from the Facebook 

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groups can buzzsprout, which is 
my hosting, and that's a great 

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community on Facebook. 
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And and the audio Ooo drama her 
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You know, they're my them. 
I to faves. 

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Where I there were, that's where
I live my Facebook. 

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Pretty much brilliant. 
Places to be. 

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That's interesting, as well. 
You mentioned your network as 

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well as the host. 
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So that's apart from that, no 
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applauding on. 
That's what we need to get my 

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son. 
Yeah, I think actually a place I

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suggested some people is some 
Tumblr. 

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There is if you all No, the 
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and the manages archives and all
that. 

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I feel as though Legend. 
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They I feel as though a lot of 
their bigger like the size of 

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like you know, size of their 
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Tumblr because on Tumblr there's
a lot of really fun discussions 

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around like things like you can 
gather around fandoms and that 

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sort of thing. 
And we found a lot of Engagement

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for our own podcast on. 
Blur again, it's not the only 

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place. 
It's similar to read it, but 

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there is an additional aspect of
it's, one of the only popular 

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microblogging spaces left. 
What are you can add photos 

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videos, you can make long posts 
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Twitter and I feel as though, in
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A lot of authors like to be on 
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proper discussion and not just 
those little, you know, little 

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like tweets of two 80 
characters, you can actually 

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have a full Blog post and people
can engage with you in the most 

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good faith. 
Way online. 

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Brilliant. 
Thank you. 

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I just wanted to say I 
wholeheartedly agree with you 

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but I will be following you on 
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sit and lurk and watch how you 
do it because I have a Tumblr 

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account. 
I've had a Tumblr account for a 

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really long time and I'm still 
never quite gotten the hang of 

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it. 
So we need Tumblr lessons from 

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people, basically, I think we do
need to have some. 

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Yes and Some people that are 
specific to Audio Drama, giving 

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us some some good sessions on 
these specific places to try and

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be a bad rep. 
Publicizing comes absence. 

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Yeah, I've been there for 10 
years so I can give some 

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blossoms so you've got like more
than double the four years so 

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you like well-established 
Georgia, you've had your hand 

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raised. 
Yeah one of the issues though is

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like my main job is marketing 
and Communications. 

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So by the time I'm done with the
last thing you want to do. 

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I don't want to Market or 
communicate and make sense. 

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Yeah. 
And one of my side gigs is host 

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for attached. 
Oh yeah, I don't want to chat 

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with anybody because on a weekly
basis. 

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I have to get up and do an 
hour-long, got something, smart 

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intellectual and informed, and 
I'm actually a bowl of pudding 

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about afterwards and and I'm a 
bowl of pudding before and they 

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can be hungry. 
But the other thing is knowing 

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who your audience is and it's 
very hard because audio, dramas 

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are passion projects. 
I love the time. 

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Who knows what kind of weirdness
is going to connect you to 

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someone else that you personally
don't know, who could be a whole

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damned world away. 
And then there's questions of 

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identity of who they expect to 
create certain things because 

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fast track to 40, I'm black. 
People, don't connect with that 

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as a black project, it's not 
black. 

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There's nothing Urban nobody 
gets into a gunfight, there's 

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no, there's no issues of child 
paternity. 

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Well, there is, but it's not 
bad. 

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There's no baby. 
Daddy is never in a line of 

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dialogue. 
There's no slurs, there's no, 

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because very little things that 
are black sure. 

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Because to me black identity as 
other people conceive of, it has

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no Relevancy to me because I'm 
black and how I do black is my 

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own business. 
And how I create characters that

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are black or white. 
In this case, in many of these 

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cases there, this is a very 
mixed group that has far more to

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do with the people that I've 
based them on. 

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Then what someone over there has
decided fit these roles so the 

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difficulty in finding an 
audience for mine, as I've told 

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people, it's not just because 
it's three women, I don't know 

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what 31 would do, I know what my
three women would do. 

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And I don't know what a black 
Audio Drama is, I've listened to

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things that you've defined as 
black Audio Drama, and all they 

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have is just black characters. 
I don't know what's black about 

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the circumstances, just doing 
sounds like Universal but 

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finding Community when people 
are looking for a hardcore 

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definition that suits them. 
Is very difficult. 

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Yeah, and I don't want people 
because I know I'm struggling 

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with it. 
I've, it's been out for a year. 

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I'm working on season two and to
my mind. 

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Now, everybody who's listened to
it, we'll talk about it and 

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like, that's liked it. 
But the problem is, is that when

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you're also dealing with 
marginalized groups, they're not

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very used to sharing, are they 
okay? 

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There's they don't run around 
going. 

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Oh, I Listen to this and its 
really spoke to me because I 

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just go. 
Oh yeah. 

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I like these really good and 
we're done and see. 

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Bye. 
So we need to encourage that. 

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Yeah. 
And to become part of expound on

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it, I did a reading just 
yesterday for somebody and I and

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it went great. 
It's record. 

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I did it whole edited video and 
everything for a personal 

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project. 
And I thought it was very funny.

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But for him it was first thing 
because he does understand it. 

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He's a creative artist and they 
had, he had a lot of people on 

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his share that was like that was
really Great love doing and 

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everybody who words Mutual that 
we knew also sign up on my post 

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where I tagged him and they 
loved it. 

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And there's he was the only 
share just and he was the only 

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comment and I often think that 
people are afraid to speak up 

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and say I really liked it when 
they are not used to having 

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their voice heard and it's one 
of the things as I look around 

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in his group I see a lot of 
people who are not normally 

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heard in these spaces. 
This is still an overwhelmingly,

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white overwhelmingly. 
Male overwhelmingly sis media 

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mall, and that's just the way it
is, but it's it's a curious 

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thing in it and, and I'm dealing
with it. 

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I just want to speak out for 
people who are having that 

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problem of saying, I see you, 
Angela saying this is my shit. 

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It is good shit. 
I like it. 

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I think you're going to like it 
too and keep Pushing on it. 

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So that's what I wanted to say. 
Thank you. 

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I love it and I think I'd 
wholeheartedly agree. 

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You know, people are very quick 
to say they don't like 

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something. 
But so slow in saying when it's 

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good, it's good. 
Yeah, from your bone, damn it, 

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I'm looking for approval, I'm an
artist. 

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One of the things that I think 
we all can afford to do as 

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creatives, something that I do 
when I'm in, if I'm in a bad 

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mood and I feel like I need a 
lift, what I do is I go on 

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Twitter. 
Enter and find the podcast, 

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like, a podcast that I've 
listened to recently that I 

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enjoy. 
Yeah, doesn't matter how much I 

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enjoy it. 
As long as I don't hate it and 

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go find their Twitter account, 
find their Twitter handle and 

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then put up a post saying, I 
just listened to, you know, 

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whatever fly fishing in New 
Zealand and, you know, and at 

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them and Everything and be like,
I just listened to fly fishing 

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in New Zealand. 
And you know what? 

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It was really enjoyable because 
and say, like one thing that's 

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memorable and specific about it.
Like, I really enjoyed in the 

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third episode when they were 
eating Reese's Pieces because 

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you don't often have that in a 
podcast. 

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And to me, it really resonated 
and reminded me of my childhood 

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thanks fly fishing in New 
Zealand for being such a great 

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podcast because it gives them 
exactly. 

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Yep. 
It gives them a little and then,

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usually, what They do is they 
give you a like they give you or

452
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retweet, they and they get a 
little nugget that they can put 

453
00:26:46,900 --> 00:26:52,700
on their PR and it cheers me up 
to do that. 

454
00:26:52,900 --> 00:26:57,200
So I expect nothing more. 
As long as I expect nothing more

455
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,500
than like, it's going to cheer 
me up to do something, nice for 

456
00:26:59,500 --> 00:27:02,800
somebody where artists were used
to living on Tiny scraps. 

457
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,400
Yeah, it's the equivalent of 
throwing a penny in a fountain 

458
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:10,200
but it still makes me, it makes 
me feel good to do it and I wish

459
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:14,100
more people did. 
It makes a difference yeah yeah 

460
00:27:14,100 --> 00:27:18,700
and I know people are anchored 
for reviews day Tuesday to come 

461
00:27:18,700 --> 00:27:22,200
back to the Audio Drama Hub 
where people can share their own

462
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:26,000
thoughts on other shows on that.
So if you are on the Facebook 

463
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,100
Audio Drama have group pop your 
reviews on a Tuesday on there. 

464
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,600
Floyd if you want to add to the 
conversation. 

465
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,200
Yes I just remembered and that's
great. 

466
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:39,100
What George was saying, I'm sort
of inner applauding quietly all 

467
00:27:39,100 --> 00:27:43,400
the time. 
But I remembered Mastodon, you 

468
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,100
know, when a few months ago, 
people were saying, leave 

469
00:27:46,100 --> 00:27:50,600
Twitter, get to Mastodon. 
So, I did and I found pod Vibes 

470
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:57,500
dotco and that has been really 
terrific for people finding 

471
00:27:57,500 --> 00:28:03,900
other podcasters, and having 
people boosting my post on and 

472
00:28:03,900 --> 00:28:07,600
on and, and commenting and 
picking up at least two 

473
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,000
listeners for that. 
So that's a fantastic percent. 

474
00:28:11,100 --> 00:28:12,500
To my Brave. 
Thank you. 

475
00:28:12,500 --> 00:28:14,400
It's another place to be. 
Isn't it great? 

476
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:15,800
Yeah groovy yeah. 
Exactly. 

477
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,200
Yeah. 
Brilliant and Angela. 

478
00:28:17,300 --> 00:28:20,000
Yeah yes I just wanted to bring 
up the fact I love. 

479
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,400
How were talking about audience 
now and I do think I know we're 

480
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,400
saying, like for us it's 
instinctual to be like, oh we 

481
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:27,700
love the show. 
I'm going to talk about the 

482
00:28:27,700 --> 00:28:28,700
show. 
I'm going to follow the show. 

483
00:28:28,700 --> 00:28:31,700
I'm going to share the show but 
I do think for the audience, 

484
00:28:31,700 --> 00:28:36,600
it's not that obvious, yet for 
them, you know, it's still kind 

485
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,600
of for audio dramas. 
It's still a very passive hobby 

486
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,100
for picking on. 
You just listen to that while R 

487
00:28:41,108 --> 00:28:42,900
doing chores when you're doing 
work. 

488
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:44,400
It's a passive activity for 
them. 

489
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,700
So they're not thinking about 
like oh I finish this episode. 

490
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,200
I got to go share it. 
I got to write a review, its 

491
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,600
passive for them, so we need to 
really bring it. 

492
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,500
Make it less passive, making 
more active and being like, hey,

493
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,200
it's so important if you guys 
can, you know, whatever 

494
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,500
YouTubers say like share and 
subscribe. 

495
00:29:01,500 --> 00:29:02,900
Comment subscribe. 
Yeah, exactly. 

496
00:29:02,900 --> 00:29:06,100
You think after like 10 years of
YouTube we would all have you 

497
00:29:06,100 --> 00:29:10,100
have this ingrained in our head 
but it's still not there yet we 

498
00:29:10,100 --> 00:29:13,400
see we do have to be Very in 
your, in their faces about it 

499
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:17,500
and being like hi. 
And everyone's a bit shy about 

500
00:29:17,500 --> 00:29:19,300
doing it out. 
Yeah. 

501
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,100
No, I agree. 
We need to be better at putting 

502
00:29:21,100 --> 00:29:22,500
ourselves for. 
Yeah. 

503
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:28,900
I mean And every every week I 
and what drives us with don't 

504
00:29:28,900 --> 00:29:31,900
forget to hit like and hit 
subscribe because you're like 

505
00:29:31,900 --> 00:29:35,100
still the algorithm that this is
pretty good content and it 

506
00:29:35,100 --> 00:29:37,400
should share it with other 
people who are interested in the

507
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,800
same things. 
And yet I don't do it that much 

508
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,600
myself. 
But yes, it like it, subscribe 

509
00:29:42,700 --> 00:29:46,100
all the thing Mission ladies. 
Every single one of us, this do 

510
00:29:46,100 --> 00:29:48,000
what it, what do you call it? 
I don't know what Tick-Tock 

511
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:53,200
terminology, but everything, 
let's just get on that bandwagon

512
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,400
and share. 
Because what you're creating is,

513
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,200
fantastic and should be heard 
Across the Universe. 

514
00:29:58,500 --> 00:30:00,700
I'm Chrissy and add to the 
conversation. 

515
00:30:00,700 --> 00:30:04,900
Yeah, you know, we were talking 
about, like, specific audiences 

516
00:30:04,900 --> 00:30:08,800
or what audiences expect when 
you present something out there.

517
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,300
And I think as women in general 
there's an expectation of what 

518
00:30:12,300 --> 00:30:15,800
our content will be. 
I have faced that my entire 

519
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,800
career and what I am hitting and
I would love to hear what 

520
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,900
everybody here in this group has
to say about this. 

521
00:30:22,500 --> 00:30:27,200
When I go for On subreddit now, 
subreddit is very that. 

522
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:31,700
There's a lot of people asking, 
hey, I like such and such show, 

523
00:30:31,700 --> 00:30:36,600
give me some shows that are like
this, and I don't fit into any 

524
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,200
of those cops. 
And I don't know if, when I tell

525
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,600
them, I'm a comedy that people 
shut down because they have in 

526
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,800
their mind, what a comedy must 
be or whatever. 

527
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:51,200
But it's very frustrating to see
people wanting a comp and then 

528
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,700
they really what they want, is 
the show. 

529
00:30:53,900 --> 00:30:55,600
That they love to do more 
episodes. 

530
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,600
Yeah, they don't want a new 
show, they're like, I just love 

531
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,100
this show so much, Gimme More. 
Gimme, gimme, gimme. 

532
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,000
I would be curious. 
How, you know, I have not found 

533
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,200
comps that speak to people. 
So, like, ladies here, what 

534
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,700
would you do for that? 
Oh yeah. 

535
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:12,400
I'll try. 
I'll try to answer Chrissy's, 

536
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,700
question a little bit and then, 
like, kind of go into it. 

537
00:31:15,700 --> 00:31:18,800
Well, unfortunately, for us, we 
do actually do the exact thing 

538
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,000
where they're like, oh, we want 
something similar to this show 

539
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:23,700
and we have gotten it down to 
us. 

540
00:31:23,900 --> 00:31:27,600
Science which Big Show's we are 
similar to so that we can 

541
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,000
immediately jump in and be like 
no more like this show or like 

542
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,500
that show. 
And I feel like it kind of fits 

543
00:31:32,500 --> 00:31:35,800
into the idea that everyone has 
the advantage as was said 

544
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,600
before. 
I don't have too much shame. 

545
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,800
I have like, you know, 
compassion empathy for my 

546
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,400
audience and to be fair to my 
audience, but I don't have any 

547
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,700
shame. 
So if somebody says, I would 

548
00:31:47,700 --> 00:31:49,600
like to listen to a podcast like
this. 

549
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:50,700
I've like yeah. 
We're like that. 

550
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,200
Or like, we're like that. 
And they can go in and If they 

551
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,400
think well, it's not that 
similar, but I like it. 

552
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,200
You know, that's kind of like 
it's the nice. 

553
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,900
It's a very you get them in the 
door essentially. 

554
00:32:01,900 --> 00:32:04,600
Yeah. 
It's a Gateway in TV and movies 

555
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,900
is called comparables 
comparable. 

556
00:32:06,900 --> 00:32:08,300
Exactly. 
Exactly. 

557
00:32:08,300 --> 00:32:09,200
Yeah. 
Oh, no. 

558
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,300
I know that it that's the 
trouble is that I haven't found 

559
00:32:12,300 --> 00:32:15,400
any other podcasts that I can 
really comp to. 

560
00:32:15,900 --> 00:32:20,100
So, I do try to try to like, oh,
well, I'm kinda like I have this

561
00:32:20,100 --> 00:32:22,500
genre or, you know, I try to 
find those in. 

562
00:32:22,500 --> 00:32:25,800
Don't, don't bother with Don't 
bother with just looking at 

563
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:30,100
podcast because one of the ways 
I explain fast track to 40 is 

564
00:32:30,100 --> 00:32:33,100
Imagine Sex in the City and The 
Golden Girls. 

565
00:32:33,500 --> 00:32:39,300
But yeah, like and and by that, 
I mean, you're talking about 

566
00:32:39,300 --> 00:32:42,900
women who aren't worried about 
their shoes and it's not sex 

567
00:32:42,900 --> 00:32:49,200
with different guys as the big 
issue and they're not old 

568
00:32:49,300 --> 00:32:53,900
because we have a really weird 
relationship with age in in 

569
00:32:53,900 --> 00:32:59,100
Western culture where I think 
we're supposed to die at 28 and 

570
00:32:59,100 --> 00:33:01,700
be reborn. 
I don't understand you. 

571
00:33:01,700 --> 00:33:05,000
I'm not planning to. 
Yeah, I plant. 

572
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,600
You know, 28 is literally just 
you just managed to be able to 

573
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:15,800
drink shut up, stop whining. 
And so and fast track to 40 was 

574
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,900
born out of that. 
So, I don't have a podcast 

575
00:33:18,900 --> 00:33:22,800
comparable. 
I do have TV comparables, and if

576
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,800
you are a fan of the goal, 
Girls, you're probably going to 

577
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:30,800
love Penny because she is a sex 
therapist podcaster who is 

578
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:35,100
polyamorous and proud of it. 
And she wants to have a baby 

579
00:33:35,100 --> 00:33:40,800
that's her 40, that's her big, 
40 thing and if you like nerdy 

580
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,200
people you're going to like the 
character I play. 

581
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,400
And absolutely she is nothing 
like the you know, already 

582
00:33:46,500 --> 00:33:49,200
because she wants to game and 
she doesn't want to be around 

583
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,700
people and she wants to be 
cranky and bitchy and she just 

584
00:33:51,700 --> 00:33:53,700
wants to sit at home and write 
shit. 

585
00:33:55,500 --> 00:33:58,100
And why do I have to date to do 
the stupid rom-com? 

586
00:33:58,100 --> 00:33:59,900
I don't know what I'm doing 
hanging. 

587
00:33:59,900 --> 00:34:06,500
I love her like yeah, that's how
it feels because and that way 

588
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,100
take it out of podcasting. 
If you're not finding your 

589
00:34:09,100 --> 00:34:13,100
comparables pull what you really
are inspired by because you've 

590
00:34:13,100 --> 00:34:17,000
consumed something that made you
jiggle like a little thing moose

591
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,199
in the back of your brain. 
And it said, I have a story. 

592
00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:23,699
Let me get the yeah like in and 
inspired by similar. 

593
00:34:23,900 --> 00:34:28,300
To that sort of thing. 
And also, I feel like you can 

594
00:34:28,300 --> 00:34:30,800
also go. 
You can tailor your description 

595
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,500
to the people. 
You the audience, you're looking

596
00:34:32,500 --> 00:34:35,199
at. 
If I know somebody who likes 

597
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,600
horror, I say, oh, this is they 
said it was my for my audience 

598
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:42,199
said, it was scary, you know, 
like the BBC sound says it was 

599
00:34:42,199 --> 00:34:44,199
powerfully written. 
Like that's what I tell them. 

600
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,800
Whereas if somebody's looking 
for a podcast, it's full of 

601
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,199
queer characters and like, oh, 
it's full of queer characters 

602
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,500
and I always jump. 
Like, it's always a different 

603
00:34:52,500 --> 00:34:55,199
description at that. 
Depending on who I'm talking to,

604
00:34:55,199 --> 00:34:59,000
or who, the general audience of 
who I'm talking to and what they

605
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,300
would pacifically enjoy. 
And you know, you don't have to 

606
00:35:02,300 --> 00:35:05,700
pigeonhole your podcast into a 
certain number of keywords. 

607
00:35:05,700 --> 00:35:07,200
You just have to look at the 
audience. 

608
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,300
What do you think? 
They'd enjoy and start like, 

609
00:35:09,300 --> 00:35:13,300
describing based on that? 
Even if it's just a character or

610
00:35:13,300 --> 00:35:17,600
if it's not like a drama, you 
can be like, oh we go into this 

611
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,400
topic. 
We went into this topic last 

612
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,000
week and this is what we talked 
about and somebody's like, Oh, I

613
00:35:22,008 --> 00:35:23,600
like that topic. 
I'll go listen. 

614
00:35:23,900 --> 00:35:26,900
And then if they like you 
personally, they'll start 

615
00:35:26,900 --> 00:35:29,500
listening to other topics that's
outside of their, you know, 

616
00:35:29,500 --> 00:35:32,600
interests and that's how I 
that's how I am Discovery 

617
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:34,000
YouTubers. 
And that's how I discovered 

618
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:38,500
podcasters when they and when 
they address a topic that I'd 

619
00:35:38,500 --> 00:35:41,600
know and then I like them enough
that I start looking at the 

620
00:35:41,607 --> 00:35:44,000
topics, I don't know, but 
because I like them a listen. 

621
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:48,000
Anyway, so that's been pretty 
fun for me. 

622
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,700
I have to say, there isn't a 
resource called re phonic.com, 

623
00:35:50,700 --> 00:35:52,600
which I don't know if you found 
which if you type in your 

624
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,700
podcast into It gives you this 
whole beautiful graphic of Rock 

625
00:35:56,700 --> 00:36:01,400
shows that are in the same kind 
of Ballpark and share some 

626
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,900
aspect of their podcast with 
yours. 

627
00:36:03,900 --> 00:36:06,300
So I will put the link and I'll 
send it to you folks. 

628
00:36:06,300 --> 00:36:08,100
If you haven't found it yet we 
phonic. 

629
00:36:08,100 --> 00:36:10,600
It's called and yeah, it's a 
beautiful graphic. 

630
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,600
It kind of is This spiraling 
thing of like all the podcast 

631
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:18,000
start in these kind of tendrils 
and you can see what's 

632
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,900
potentially in your ballpark as 
a resource as well and perhaps 

633
00:36:20,900 --> 00:36:25,200
linked with some of those folks.
So I know we've mentioned as 

634
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,900
well. 
So far as well working as a 

635
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:32,500
female creative and you know, 
there there are enough of us 

636
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,300
really well there. 
Really, I mean, let's face it. 

637
00:36:35,500 --> 00:36:39,700
The fact that, you know, we've 
been able to do the things we 

638
00:36:39,700 --> 00:36:44,000
have done have perhaps certain 
economic social and also 

639
00:36:44,300 --> 00:36:49,100
self-confident kind of 
Foundations shall we say? 

640
00:36:49,300 --> 00:36:53,600
But yeah Tina come to you first 
why do you think that? 

641
00:36:53,700 --> 00:36:57,300
That there aren't perhaps as 
many female shoka showrunners 

642
00:36:57,300 --> 00:37:01,200
and what can we do to help 
encourage folks to just jump in 

643
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:05,600
and have as much fun as we are. 
Oh, geez, you had asked me this 

644
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:12,300
one, I like yeah, you know, I 
don't know, I think I'm a little

645
00:37:12,300 --> 00:37:18,100
spoiled with my bubble because I
feel like I know several but I 

646
00:37:18,100 --> 00:37:23,200
just maybe because of the the 
like George was saying earlier 

647
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,200
the And of it's a bunch of white
guys. 

648
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,900
Like we say podcast and they're 
like, I'm sorry, what you guys 

649
00:37:27,900 --> 00:37:31,400
just sit around it so they don't
really have, the knowledge would

650
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,500
be of what it is because it's 
still such a new medium. 

651
00:37:33,500 --> 00:37:38,000
It's not mainstream necessarily,
unless you are familiar with it 

652
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,100
already. 
So, it's not a medium that like,

653
00:37:41,100 --> 00:37:45,100
your average author or Creator 
is going to know that it exists 

654
00:37:45,100 --> 00:37:47,900
to make that a platform for 
telling their story. 

655
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:54,100
And the I don't know the answer 
on how to encourage more Except 

656
00:37:54,100 --> 00:37:58,700
for maybe doing things like 
this, like events and things 

657
00:37:58,700 --> 00:38:01,200
like that, that are centered. 
I guess the ones around 

658
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,700
podcasts, but just maybe like, 
fiction in general, or like, 

659
00:38:04,700 --> 00:38:06,400
talk about it. 
Like, it's a thing that 

660
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,000
everybody else already listens 
to. 

661
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:12,500
And that, you know, I know it's 
not exactly a low barrier of 

662
00:38:12,500 --> 00:38:15,100
Entry because there's a lot 
that, you know, goes into making

663
00:38:15,100 --> 00:38:17,300
a show. 
But I mean, if you're already 

664
00:38:17,300 --> 00:38:20,600
creating a work anyway, you're 
ready to put in some of the work

665
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:24,000
and things like that. 
So, maybe going, hey, this You 

666
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,300
can maybe tell your story This 
Way in a way that you couldn't, 

667
00:38:27,300 --> 00:38:30,300
if you're trying to make it a 
film or if you're writing a book

668
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:34,200
and if somebody realizes that 
that's an option, A might be, 

669
00:38:34,700 --> 00:38:36,800
might be the way they want to go
and it might not. 

670
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,900
But yeah, I mean, I think as 
well, there's so much to be said

671
00:38:40,900 --> 00:38:44,700
for making up each other, right?
And I for one will for sure be 

672
00:38:44,900 --> 00:38:47,900
throwing out about your shows 
this week, and I wonder do, we 

673
00:38:47,900 --> 00:38:52,400
need like a women Centric? 
Hashtag to start with, you know,

674
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:56,300
I mean, does it need that kind 
of Of enveloping and sharing 

675
00:38:56,300 --> 00:38:58,100
out. 
And I don't know Angela. 

676
00:38:58,100 --> 00:39:00,100
Any thoughts on what else we 
could do? 

677
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:08,500
Oh I mean I also think just 
coming from having experience of

678
00:39:08,500 --> 00:39:12,500
being of working in a network 
and also having my own it's also

679
00:39:12,500 --> 00:39:16,100
very important to look at other 
mediums and see how like I said 

680
00:39:16,100 --> 00:39:20,000
I mentioned you to before but 
it's also like how our network 

681
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,900
podcast shows doing it, you 
know, like Realm is Like 

682
00:39:23,900 --> 00:39:25,900
everyone else also doing cross 
promotions. 

683
00:39:25,900 --> 00:39:28,600
They're also doing everything 
and anything. 

684
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,700
They can on social media to see 
what sticks and what lands. 

685
00:39:31,900 --> 00:39:36,200
But it's also it's I think is it
like what Georgia said as well? 

686
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,700
It's like we can't just look at 
podcasts alone, we have to see 

687
00:39:39,900 --> 00:39:43,700
you know like what books are 
doing, what movies are doing, 

688
00:39:43,700 --> 00:39:49,900
what Comics are doing and just 
learn from every industry we can

689
00:39:50,700 --> 00:39:52,300
and yeah. 
See what? 

690
00:39:52,300 --> 00:39:55,900
See why Working for this 
industry and not for us and to 

691
00:39:55,900 --> 00:39:59,400
figure that equation out. 
So we can make everything work. 

692
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:03,300
Perfectly brilliant Lindsay. 
Any thoughts from you on that? 

693
00:40:03,900 --> 00:40:08,200
I would like to see more things 
like eleventh hour. 

694
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,900
Or audio? 
Yeah. 24 hours and 20. 

695
00:40:12,900 --> 00:40:19,900
That's exactly the one I was 
thinking of both absolutely fun.

696
00:40:19,900 --> 00:40:23,100
Yeah, that that are female 
identified Centric. 

697
00:40:24,300 --> 00:40:29,000
I would like to see a way that 
how do we get the best of the 

698
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:35,500
best podcasters together with 
the people who are early career 

699
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,400
and say, okay, let's let's make 
this happen. 

700
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:45,000
Let's do a 10-minute festival or
a lets you know, let's let's 

701
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:50,200
build this together and wrap it 
around something like 

702
00:40:51,100 --> 00:40:55,800
International women's day or the
Fourth of July, or Arbor Day or 

703
00:40:55,800 --> 00:41:00,600
whatever you want to do Pancake 
Day pancake, this, especially 

704
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:07,400
and have something where people 
can get into the. 

705
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:11,600
You can't sort of The the potato
chip theory that you can't eat 

706
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:16,100
just one thing and have it be 
like, you know, we're going to 

707
00:41:16,107 --> 00:41:18,400
end, you know, tie it in with 
things that have really strong 

708
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,600
Community engagement like 
Ravelry, which is for Knitters 

709
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,100
night. 
You know, do something that 

710
00:41:24,100 --> 00:41:27,500
basically lets everybody 
contribute, what they can 

711
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:31,500
without being overwhelmed to 
make something bigger? 

712
00:41:31,500 --> 00:41:35,800
Because I think that for that 
women in general are already 

713
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:39,400
overwhelmed because we do so 
much of the caregiving in our 

714
00:41:39,500 --> 00:41:43,200
Relationships. 
And that isn't limited to 

715
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:48,300
heterosexual cisgender women, 
we're all kind of doing our part

716
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:54,700
and we end up doing more than we
end up doing so much that it's 

717
00:41:54,700 --> 00:41:57,100
going to affect our ability to 
make our art. 

718
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,900
And I think it would be good if 
we had something where we can 

719
00:42:02,900 --> 00:42:05,000
all sort of go, okay? 
Look, let's all pull each other 

720
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,700
up a little bit. 
But also Market this in a way 

721
00:42:07,700 --> 00:42:11,800
that we're saying to people, 
Podcasting podcasts are for 

722
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,600
people like you. 
Yeah, there are people like you 

723
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,800
in here. 
It's not just a bunch of guys 

724
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,900
sitting around giant microphones
with giant headphones going. 

725
00:42:21,100 --> 00:42:22,600
Yes. 
So anyway brought to you by man 

726
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:26,600
escapes us. 
I'd like to thank the way from 

727
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:27,800
that a little. 
Yeah. 

728
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,400
But see your hands beautifully 
raise? 

729
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,200
Yeah, I think like there's an 
alternative thing. 

730
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,400
So I mean we need that for sure.
We need something where a lot of

731
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,400
women can like feel connected to
a community. 

732
00:42:39,500 --> 00:42:42,700
That's way bigger than it is. 
I think also as somebody who's 

733
00:42:42,700 --> 00:42:47,200
done work for, let's say for by 
POC and queer content, there is 

734
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,300
the opposite thing which I think
is super fun and I think it's 

735
00:42:50,300 --> 00:42:53,400
going to sound very it's going 
to sound evil almost but it's a 

736
00:42:53,500 --> 00:42:55,600
promise, it's wonderful, so 
exciting. 

737
00:42:55,600 --> 00:43:00,800
That's because evil music 
underneath way more evil for 

738
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:05,600
good. 
Exactly quite a few things that 

739
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,800
I've done like in comics and 
stuff but basically it's kind of

740
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,900
the How to describe it like the 
stealth stealth stealth 

741
00:43:12,900 --> 00:43:15,900
insertion of representation is 
how I do it. 

742
00:43:15,900 --> 00:43:20,100
So, so obviously there's the 
side where we have to make sure 

743
00:43:20,100 --> 00:43:23,700
everyone knows this is women-led
this is, you know, this is by 

744
00:43:23,700 --> 00:43:27,600
POC and like you know, includes 
queer inclusive and so that 

745
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,800
people of those spaces know that
you are welcome but there's the 

746
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:35,600
opposite as well. 
There are people who in a lot of

747
00:43:35,607 --> 00:43:39,000
spaces, will immediately write 
something off if they see the 

748
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:40,700
word. 
If they see the word vibe off of

749
00:43:40,707 --> 00:43:42,900
this, even work we're and that's
just a reality. 

750
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,800
It's terrible, but it's real. 
And what I like to do is I like 

751
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,600
to take other words like it's a 
horror, it's analog data log 

752
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:52,300
Horrors, a big thing on YouTube,
for example. 

753
00:43:52,500 --> 00:43:54,700
What do they mean by analog? 
I'm really curious. 

754
00:43:54,700 --> 00:43:57,800
What is analog style, I guess 
like you're trying to, you know,

755
00:43:58,500 --> 00:44:01,100
like in your we're trying to 
like give this work. 

756
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:04,500
Make it seem like it was shot on
a VH like it's on a VHS. 

757
00:44:04,500 --> 00:44:05,300
Oh okay. 
I get it. 

758
00:44:05,300 --> 00:44:06,900
It's like using the tape 
recorder. 

759
00:44:06,900 --> 00:44:08,100
Yeah. 
Okay, I got it. 

760
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:09,300
Yeah, you're trying to. 
Yeah. 

761
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,700
Trying to like, you know, 
emulate, the older style shirt, 

762
00:44:12,700 --> 00:44:14,300
make it feel a little older, 
right? 

763
00:44:14,300 --> 00:44:17,000
That's become really big on 
YouTube and how you do it, is 

764
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,300
that you take those terminology,
you put it in people who are 

765
00:44:20,300 --> 00:44:23,800
interested in that, come in and 
like loops and they really like 

766
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:25,700
it. 
It just so happens that it's 

767
00:44:25,700 --> 00:44:29,200
being done by people who are 
queer by pop, women shirt Etc. 

768
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,300
And so at that point, you have 
gotten them in and then you kind

769
00:44:32,300 --> 00:44:34,900
of like start, you know, and 
then use that you keep making 

770
00:44:34,900 --> 00:44:36,300
your stuff. 
And they're like, wow, I love 

771
00:44:36,300 --> 00:44:38,700
these creators. 
Let me see what creators they 

772
00:44:38,700 --> 00:44:39,300
are. 
Recommending. 

773
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:43,000
And of course, the creators are 
recommending our other women 

774
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,300
other white people in the event,
hawks face, other queer people, 

775
00:44:46,700 --> 00:44:49,400
and so on, and that's kind of 
like, it's there. 

776
00:44:49,900 --> 00:44:54,500
There is such a immediate. 
What's the word? 

777
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,700
Knee-jerk reaction, to certain 
words that people have? 

778
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,500
And a lot of people are, 
unfortunately, very prone to 

779
00:45:03,500 --> 00:45:07,200
reactionary politics. 
However, these people who are 

780
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:11,900
very perfectly centered. 
Are also prone to other to 

781
00:45:11,900 --> 00:45:14,300
leftist politics. 
And like, I didn't get into 

782
00:45:14,300 --> 00:45:17,300
politics a little bit like 
rough, but essentially, when 

783
00:45:17,300 --> 00:45:20,700
they realize, when they like 
something and they get onto it 

784
00:45:20,700 --> 00:45:24,800
on their own, they start, you 
know, absorbing like, oh, I do 

785
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,800
like these shows by women. 
I will listen to more shows that

786
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,100
they recommend that sort of 
thing and it's almost the 

787
00:45:30,100 --> 00:45:34,000
opposite, but still a positive 
thing because you welcome people

788
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,100
into this community that is 
essentially trying to, you know,

789
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,700
support each other. 
And to be kind to each other, 

790
00:45:40,700 --> 00:45:45,900
trying to, you know, show that 
acceptance is also like is part 

791
00:45:45,900 --> 00:45:49,300
and parcel of having such an 
amazing story. 

792
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,900
Amazing Stories, amazing things 
that you can enjoy while also 

793
00:45:52,900 --> 00:45:55,900
doing something good and I feel 
like we need both of those. 

794
00:45:55,900 --> 00:46:00,500
We need one side where we put it
front and center that we are, 

795
00:46:00,900 --> 00:46:02,900
you know, of these marginalized 
communities. 

796
00:46:02,900 --> 00:46:05,100
So people were marginalized feel
welcome. 

797
00:46:05,100 --> 00:46:09,200
But then we also have one where 
it's stealthing in their kind of

798
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:13,400
Like not to use that word but 
like, you know, yeah, drip face 

799
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:17,800
- and I think it's happened with
some people that I follow like, 

800
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,100
on YouTube. 
Like some big YouTubers, do that

801
00:46:20,100 --> 00:46:24,000
and it's very helpful for like a
large community. 

802
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,800
That's what my thought. 
I think that's really brilliant.

803
00:46:26,900 --> 00:46:30,600
And the other thing that I think
he wants his, it's interesting. 

804
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:35,800
How keyword sensitive we've 
become like in terms of 

805
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:39,300
thinking, like, okay, just to 
give you an idea. 

806
00:46:42,100 --> 00:46:44,900
Oh God, I just you're so cool 
and I really want to hug you, 

807
00:46:44,900 --> 00:46:47,900
because you and I are both 
coming at the same thing from 

808
00:46:47,900 --> 00:46:50,300
two, completely different 
perspectives. 

809
00:46:50,700 --> 00:46:55,000
Because for me, when I was 
learning how to Market theater 

810
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:59,600
in the Philadelphia Fringe 
Festival in like 2000, just to 

811
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:01,200
give you an idea like that's how
long ago. 

812
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:05,300
This was it was what does your 
show do? 

813
00:47:05,900 --> 00:47:08,600
Not, who are you? 
What did your show do for the 

814
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,200
audience? 
Oh so it's like if you say 

815
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:19,900
instead of saying like I am a 
instead of me saying I'm a queer

816
00:47:19,900 --> 00:47:29,300
cisgender woman with ADD who is 
creating a show about whatever I

817
00:47:29,300 --> 00:47:36,700
lead with the it's a bank heist.
Or it's a mother-daughter been 

818
00:47:36,700 --> 00:47:38,700
kite. 
Let's write that I want to be in

819
00:47:38,700 --> 00:47:41,300
that. 
Yeah, and it's like you and I 

820
00:47:41,308 --> 00:47:42,700
are both doing the exact same 
thing. 

821
00:47:42,700 --> 00:47:44,900
We're just coming at it from 
like these two different 

822
00:47:44,900 --> 00:47:46,500
perspectives. 
And the thing that's really 

823
00:47:46,500 --> 00:47:49,100
interesting is how keyword 
sensitive our brains have 

824
00:47:49,100 --> 00:47:51,900
become. 
In terms of how we Market our 

825
00:47:51,900 --> 00:47:55,300
stuff, you need a linchpin. 
They so interested pin to kind 

826
00:47:55,300 --> 00:47:59,600
of drag you in, and then then 
you see ya, the SEO brain 

827
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:03,200
unfortunately, but that's what 
they're looking for a new show. 

828
00:48:03,500 --> 00:48:06,700
Sitting here saying I'm in the 
mood for analog her or I'm in 

829
00:48:06,700 --> 00:48:09,000
the mood for something with a 
strong female lead. 

830
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,300
I'm in the mood for whatever I 
mean and they type it in because

831
00:48:12,300 --> 00:48:16,600
they know that keywords work and
keep Puttin and Chrissy, you've 

832
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,400
had your hand up. 
Well, that really kind of hit 

833
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:24,000
home for me with as far as 
identity and our work. 

834
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:29,300
Is that what I started? 
So when I was in college a long 

835
00:48:29,300 --> 00:48:33,200
time ago, they were very much 
about if you're a woman, you 

836
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,400
have Have only certain things. 
You are supposed to write, you 

837
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:37,700
have to write for the woman's 
experience. 

838
00:48:37,700 --> 00:48:40,500
You are, you have a platform for
women. 

839
00:48:40,500 --> 00:48:43,400
So you need to find agenda that 
are women positive? 

840
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:46,300
And I'm just like, I just want 
people to laugh. 

841
00:48:46,300 --> 00:48:51,200
I just want to write a comedy 
and I got to the point where my 

842
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:56,700
first work that I produced on 
stage, and it's sadly too sad or

843
00:48:56,700 --> 00:49:00,400
not, but it the compliment. 
I got was, who's the guy that 

844
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,600
wrote? 
And I. 

845
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:07,800
I was like okay so they believe 
that good comedy. 

846
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,400
It must be a male writer. 
And for my first years in 

847
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:16,100
Hollywood which had been the 
late 90s, I was Chris right. 

848
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,400
I wasn't Chrissy. 
All of my spec script said Chris

849
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:23,700
and I wanted you to sneak in the
door where they just loved the 

850
00:49:23,700 --> 00:49:26,700
writing and didn't judge it on. 
Oh well this is going to be a 

851
00:49:26,700 --> 00:49:31,800
story about a woman and she's 
gonna do stuff and and that's I 

852
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,500
think. 
The hard place to come out now. 

853
00:49:34,500 --> 00:49:38,000
Like I just want, be be funny. 
I think everybody can enjoy just

854
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:42,400
my comedy. 
I don't want to to be identified

855
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,900
like okay this is a woman's 
comedy, you know? 

856
00:49:45,900 --> 00:49:47,700
And and that'll put that said 
the same time. 

857
00:49:47,700 --> 00:49:50,000
We still need to uplift each 
other and we need to need to say

858
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:56,300
like I'm looking like on on the 
Facebook post that you put all 

859
00:49:56,300 --> 00:50:00,300
these men were coming on there 
saying look I have female leads.

860
00:50:00,300 --> 00:50:02,000
Look at me. 
I have a female lead I'm like 

861
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,700
but where The female creators 
doing female leads, yes. 

862
00:50:05,700 --> 00:50:08,300
So it's this weird kind of in 
between? 

863
00:50:08,500 --> 00:50:12,500
Yes, yes, yes and underscored. 
Yes, I mean, that's the thing, 

864
00:50:12,500 --> 00:50:14,400
isn't it? 
And there, you know, we looked 

865
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,800
outside broadcasting as well and
the amount of female authors 

866
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,200
there are, who are using male 
names, and I'm sure you can 

867
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:24,800
think of many and just to get 
that kind of mini that Traction 

868
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:26,700
in the, yeah, you're absolutely 
right. 

869
00:50:26,700 --> 00:50:29,900
And it's frustrating. 
As now me what drives you then 

870
00:50:29,900 --> 00:50:34,300
to create as a woman, what helps
you To just get your story out 

871
00:50:34,300 --> 00:50:35,200
there. 
Floyd. 

872
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:40,600
Let's start with you. 
Yeah, it's, I don't sort of 

873
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:42,500
think, first and foremost, I'm a
woman. 

874
00:50:42,500 --> 00:50:44,600
And therefore, what do I want to
get out there? 

875
00:50:44,900 --> 00:50:47,000
I just think, what do I want to 
say? 

876
00:50:47,300 --> 00:50:49,600
You know, what do I, what do I 
care about? 

877
00:50:49,900 --> 00:50:52,600
And what do I want other people 
to care about? 

878
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,200
And it's that thing, you know, 
it's the same when you, you 

879
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:59,200
know, working with actors and 
persuading them that, you know, 

880
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:04,400
the way to engage your audience 
is too, From the perspective of 

881
00:51:04,408 --> 00:51:09,100
the character, you're playing 
want people listening to see the

882
00:51:09,100 --> 00:51:12,200
world the way you see it? 
Because that's what people does 

883
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:16,500
were humans and we all that's 
that's how how we function we 

884
00:51:16,500 --> 00:51:19,100
all want other. 
Everybody else to understand 

885
00:51:19,100 --> 00:51:20,800
things, the way we understand 
them. 

886
00:51:21,900 --> 00:51:25,200
And and then, but then as a 
writer that, I mean, that's the 

887
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:29,300
thing that I just adore about 
writing is that you get to take 

888
00:51:29,300 --> 00:51:32,600
on other people's perspectives 
and then they have conversations

889
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,100
with each. 
Each other and they're trying to

890
00:51:35,100 --> 00:51:40,000
engage and draw the other the 
other into and by doing that 

891
00:51:40,300 --> 00:51:44,100
you're hoping that somebody out 
there in the same way back in 

892
00:51:44,100 --> 00:51:47,500
the day when I was working in 
theater and you taking a show 

893
00:51:47,500 --> 00:51:50,000
touring and around to little 
community centers and 

894
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,200
Churchill's all around the 
countryside and you just hoping 

895
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:56,400
that offer, you know, maybe 20 
or so people from the local 

896
00:51:56,400 --> 00:52:00,100
community of come in. 
They'll be one who come up to 

897
00:52:00,100 --> 00:52:02,700
you afterwards and saying, thank
you so much. 

898
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:06,000
You know, that what that person 
said, that meant something to 

899
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:09,700
me. 
So that's, that's that's why I 

900
00:52:09,700 --> 00:52:12,300
do it. 
I want that, that feeling 

901
00:52:12,700 --> 00:52:16,700
that's, and I and yeah for. 
Yeah. 

902
00:52:16,900 --> 00:52:20,500
But the, the thing about can't 
remember who was saying it now 

903
00:52:20,500 --> 00:52:24,900
but what, you know, working in 
theater and promoting you your 

904
00:52:24,900 --> 00:52:28,400
theatrical work. 
And and that is the thing that 

905
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:33,500
we never had a work with a 
partner who I would say I want 

906
00:52:33,500 --> 00:52:37,400
to do this play and she would 
say right, okay, good. 

907
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:39,000
Yeah, right. 
I'll try and get you some 

908
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:40,100
funding. 
Let's do it. 

909
00:52:40,500 --> 00:52:48,000
And why why this play now. 
And she would just not let go of

910
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:52,200
me until I could write down. 
You know, a few paragraphs to 

911
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:55,900
just say why? 
Why if a Janaya in towers for 

912
00:52:55,900 --> 00:53:05,600
example by Goethe In Glasgow, in
1996 or five, whatever it was. 

913
00:53:06,100 --> 00:53:10,100
Why is that relevant? 
And I just wanted to do it 

914
00:53:10,100 --> 00:53:15,200
because was fantastic script and
a great story, and humanists and

915
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:17,900
philosophy and all of this. 
And then I thought, okay, what 

916
00:53:17,900 --> 00:53:22,300
are the here in NZ need to 
collide and then and then so as 

917
00:53:22,300 --> 00:53:26,000
you know, went back to her and I
said well because it's about 

918
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:31,200
Croatia which was blowing up at 
the time I'm and for why because

919
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:36,100
of Family Feud's going on 
through generations, violence, 

920
00:53:36,100 --> 00:53:40,600
somebody's got to step up and 
say as if a gene I said, I will 

921
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:44,000
not kill that man enough of the 
violence. 

922
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,400
So there's a real there are. 
There always is a reason you can

923
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:49,300
always justify. 
You know. 

924
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:52,700
I can justify what I'm doing but
that's interesting, isn't it? 

925
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,600
Yeah. 
Have you as a listener right now

926
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:59,300
Justified to yourself, what is 
the point of your Because if you

927
00:53:59,300 --> 00:54:02,300
haven't asked yourself, that 
question and see if that will 

928
00:54:02,300 --> 00:54:06,800
lead you to two other avenues of
and I think just brilliant if I 

929
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:10,600
can just go on a bit that the 
fact that when you start with 

930
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:13,000
your podcast and you looking out
and you're looking for your 

931
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:17,000
audience and you looking for 
advice and everybody, all the 

932
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:20,800
advice out there is what is your
Niche find your Niche? 

933
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:27,400
What is your genre and and I'm 
going don't have one don't have 

934
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:30,000
one, it's a genre. 
No, it's a new one. 

935
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:33,200
It's a, it's a thing, it's kind 
of funny, but it's not that 

936
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:36,700
funny, it's mildly amusing, is 
that the Q and A, I think you 

937
00:54:36,700 --> 00:54:39,000
are not got to get together and 
talk a good. 

938
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:40,800
I think you're not going to get 
together and talk because 

939
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:44,900
there's so many people who want 
to like the Cozy, the Cozy 

940
00:54:44,900 --> 00:54:48,600
Thursday Murder Club, those 
books, those Thursday, Murder 

941
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:52,100
Club books. 
Oh God, this, I don't think but 

942
00:54:52,100 --> 00:54:55,000
I don't care, but that's your 
audience and that guy's making 

943
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,900
money hand over fist. 
I mean there's so many people 

944
00:54:57,900 --> 00:55:02,100
who say oh I just Old lady who 
lives in a cabin by the sea with

945
00:55:02,100 --> 00:55:06,100
her cats and solves Mysteries. 
And I like that's that's your 

946
00:55:06,100 --> 00:55:08,600
audience. 
I didn't, we gotta, you know, 

947
00:55:08,900 --> 00:55:11,200
that down one of these days of 
hammers. 

948
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:14,400
Okay, we can Hammer some stuff 
out, but if I can just tell you 

949
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:20,500
that the the people that I do 
know who are my audience, they 

950
00:55:20,500 --> 00:55:24,800
range in age from teenagers to 
my age and everything in 

951
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:28,700
between, so I don't, I don't 
know. 

952
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:32,100
A lot of, I mean there are 
people are, you know, I got two 

953
00:55:32,100 --> 00:55:35,400
or three things friends of my 
generation who are listening, 

954
00:55:35,700 --> 00:55:38,700
but I don't think they're the 
majority of the people who are 

955
00:55:38,700 --> 00:55:42,800
listening but I will definitely 
take on board what you're 

956
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:46,700
saying. 
And if I can find them and, you 

957
00:55:46,700 --> 00:55:50,000
know, get them to hear it. 
They like it. 

958
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,600
I'm done. 
I'm not gonna complain going on 

959
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,300
an audience hunt. 
Yes this is the hard thing. 

960
00:55:55,300 --> 00:55:57,700
Isn't it to get that answer? 
Stay in the audience to you. 

961
00:55:57,700 --> 00:55:59,100
Right. 
I think that's the Other thing 

962
00:55:59,100 --> 00:56:01,200
is to keep them coming back for 
more. 

963
00:56:01,300 --> 00:56:04,300
Has anyone got any slices of the
sausage? 

964
00:56:04,300 --> 00:56:09,100
I know I said that for bringing 
in just Congress, I think 

965
00:56:09,100 --> 00:56:10,500
because putting was mentioned 
earlier. 

966
00:56:10,900 --> 00:56:14,300
And but yeah I just think that 
what are the things that we can 

967
00:56:14,300 --> 00:56:17,400
love people back with, how do 
you keep that audience coming 

968
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,000
back for more? 
Once you've kind of been found 

969
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:23,900
by a certain group, Georgia is 
of anything you want to share 

970
00:56:23,900 --> 00:56:28,900
with us on them. 
Can gently divert a little bit 

971
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:33,800
because the thing with spaces 
that are good for women, this 

972
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:38,300
that we have to pull together to
actually Elevate us overall, 

973
00:56:39,500 --> 00:56:43,300
that's why they need to happen. 
And yes, we can have Open Spaces

974
00:56:43,300 --> 00:56:47,300
where we have a larger amount of
people. 

975
00:56:47,300 --> 00:56:53,000
But for those of us who simply 
can't hide in public, we can't 

976
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:56,200
hide our oven has in public and 
open space. 

977
00:56:56,300 --> 00:56:59,500
This is not a safe space, it's 
not a great space. 

978
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:05,900
Sure and might the tendency and 
this is audience, retention 101 

979
00:57:06,100 --> 00:57:08,700
is a people want the same 
experience over and over again. 

980
00:57:09,300 --> 00:57:15,600
Not just the exact same specific
thing but the same result from 

981
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:17,700
that experience. 
That's what people chase when 

982
00:57:17,700 --> 00:57:20,200
they are on drugs. 
They chase that first high. 

983
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:23,600
They never get that high again, 
but that's the Insidious nature 

984
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:30,000
of addiction and Whether or not 
we understand it or even want to

985
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:32,900
admit it, I'm always very 
comfortable admitting some of 

986
00:57:32,900 --> 00:57:36,300
the uglier sides of human 
behavior and how we use it in 

987
00:57:36,300 --> 00:57:39,200
marketing and Communications is 
that we do want to kind of 

988
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:45,300
develop the feeling that you're 
going to return and get a lot of

989
00:57:45,300 --> 00:57:49,400
the same experience that you 
started off with when you when 

990
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:55,500
you started this podcast. 
So you have to look at the 

991
00:57:55,500 --> 00:57:57,500
consistency. 
See of what you're writing. 

992
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:02,100
There's, there's technical 
aspects to what you do. 

993
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:06,900
So whether or not I want to 
admit, it's the beats per 

994
00:58:06,900 --> 00:58:09,600
minute. 
When you are writing your 

995
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:13,700
script, do you have, do you 
understand how to write out a 

996
00:58:13,707 --> 00:58:17,300
beach sheet for your jokes, if 
you're doing a comedy podcast, 

997
00:58:17,500 --> 00:58:20,300
do you understand where your 
scares are coming from? 

998
00:58:20,300 --> 00:58:24,900
If you're doing hard, what's 
happening in the scene that 

999
00:58:24,900 --> 00:58:28,000
pushes along the same Lines 
where the person listening to 

1000
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:31,300
it? 
Do you manage to maintain a 

1001
00:58:31,300 --> 00:58:34,100
level of tension? 
If you are creating a low? 

1002
00:58:34,100 --> 00:58:37,100
Does it benefit the next 
episode? 

1003
00:58:37,100 --> 00:58:42,000
Where hopefully, they'll tune in
and you get that a up again, how

1004
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:49,000
are you maintaining the, I hate 
to say this because it has such 

1005
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:52,400
a negative connotation. 
But how are you maintaining a 

1006
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:56,400
similar level of experience 
throughout the life of your Your

1007
00:58:56,400 --> 00:59:01,000
podcast quick question doesn't. 
So that's the question you need 

1008
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:04,100
to answer. 
That's I mean that's consistency

1009
00:59:04,100 --> 00:59:08,000
and but what is consistency 
means, he floated in what are 

1010
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:11,400
well to me, it's consistency of 
quality of what you're doing 

1011
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:14,100
which is what George is talking 
about, you know, good writing, 

1012
00:59:15,100 --> 00:59:16,600
good rot, what, what is good 
about. 

1013
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:21,900
It's good because it works, you 
know, and if you can hit that 

1014
00:59:21,900 --> 00:59:25,100
level of expertise and you keep 
doing it and hopefully get 

1015
00:59:25,100 --> 00:59:30,000
better at it as Go, I think 
that's, that's it really, is the

1016
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:31,700
only way to keep people coming 
along. 

1017
00:59:31,700 --> 00:59:34,300
It's like cooking. 
You know if you if you if you if

1018
00:59:34,300 --> 00:59:39,700
your food is always tasty but 
doesn't mean you says the same 

1019
00:59:39,700 --> 00:59:43,100
recipe every time, you know. 
But you know how to put the 

1020
00:59:43,100 --> 00:59:45,300
ingredients together to make it 
work. 

1021
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:47,100
I just I've just remembered 
something. 

1022
00:59:47,100 --> 00:59:51,800
This is a by the by but I have a
one of the young actors who 

1023
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:57,100
works on my podcast for me, when
I I realized that he was 

1024
00:59:57,100 --> 01:00:01,000
listening to it as well. 
He's in his early 20s and I know

1025
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:03,900
you're listening to because I'm 
listening to it, I'm enjoying 

1026
01:00:03,900 --> 01:00:05,900
it. 
Yeah, he says, I get at least 

1027
01:00:05,900 --> 01:00:09,300
one smile out of it every 
episode and I thought that's it.

1028
01:00:09,300 --> 01:00:12,300
That's what, that's, that's my 
marketing it. 

1029
01:00:12,300 --> 01:00:16,300
So if you go well, get one smile
out of every episode so I have 

1030
01:00:16,300 --> 01:00:20,200
to go through each each 
10-minute script and make sure 

1031
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:25,000
I've got at least one decent. 
You know, halfway sort of oh yes

1032
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:28,100
my love that. 
That's That's what I am full of 

1033
01:00:28,100 --> 01:00:31,800
it and that reminds me of the 
spike Milligan, poem, pass it on

1034
01:00:31,900 --> 01:00:33,300
across the world. 
Yeah, brilliant. 

1035
01:00:33,300 --> 01:00:34,600
Thank you, Angela? 
Yes. 

1036
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:36,000
Yes. 
I do think everyone's butt up. 

1037
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:38,000
Great points. 
I do want to say it's not just 

1038
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:41,000
consistency, though. 
It's also growth that we also 

1039
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:45,300
should be aware of like my 
season one I had at most three 

1040
01:00:45,300 --> 01:00:48,700
voice actors. 
Now and there's like eight 

1041
01:00:48,700 --> 01:00:50,800
minutes long Max. 
And now we're like reaching 15 

1042
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:52,700
minutes. 
Both like eight ways actors and 

1043
01:00:52,700 --> 01:00:56,700
one episode and it's just like 
it's understanding if your 

1044
01:00:56,700 --> 01:01:00,000
growth and your consistency and 
how you can always push ahead to

1045
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:04,800
then bring new audiences or a 
lot has back in, you know, 

1046
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:07,500
because of how much growth we've
done there. 

1047
01:01:07,500 --> 01:01:10,800
I unfortunately have to take a 
bigger break in between Seasons.

1048
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:13,900
So now I'm also like thinking 
about the audience, like, oh, 

1049
01:01:13,900 --> 01:01:16,700
it's been almost a year since 
we've pushed that something. 

1050
01:01:16,700 --> 01:01:20,300
So, it's like, okay, we gotta 
do, you know, maybe a season to 

1051
01:01:20,300 --> 01:01:23,200
recap of what's happened. 
So, you know, we have new music,

1052
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:27,300
we have new voice actors, do it.
Possesses a lot of things up now

1053
01:01:27,300 --> 01:01:30,300
because of that, and it's just, 
like, you knew new ways to use 

1054
01:01:30,300 --> 01:01:34,200
old content to get more people 
back into it again, you know, 

1055
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:37,300
like to get them as excited as I
am to get this season out. 

1056
01:01:37,300 --> 01:01:38,600
Yes, yes. 
Yes. 

1057
01:01:38,700 --> 01:01:42,600
And multi, you've got your hand 
raising it for the audience. 

1058
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:45,500
But portion, I do want to add 
like there is something that I 

1059
01:01:45,508 --> 01:01:47,900
do that. 
Some people could do, especially

1060
01:01:47,900 --> 01:01:50,400
if you have a team, although it 
is kind of difficult to balance.

1061
01:01:50,500 --> 01:01:54,800
I have a Discord server and that
has its pros and cons the 

1062
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:57,000
Discord sir. 
It is for people to hang out in 

1063
01:01:57,200 --> 01:02:00,000
and we have, like, almost a 
hundred people in that this 

1064
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:04,100
court server, but only about 
maybe eight to ten people who 

1065
01:02:04,100 --> 01:02:06,400
are consistently commenting in 
it. 

1066
01:02:06,500 --> 01:02:09,900
Yeah, however, it is a, is a 
continuous like Community. 

1067
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:12,300
Like this is the community that,
oh, there's a new episode we're 

1068
01:02:12,300 --> 01:02:14,600
coming in. 
Oh, we'd love to talk about, you

1069
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:17,100
know, every now and then, they 
come in to chat about something 

1070
01:02:17,100 --> 01:02:19,500
related to the podcast. 
That's Community. 

1071
01:02:20,500 --> 01:02:24,100
The one downside to that is that
it doesn't happen publicly. 

1072
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:26,600
So, obviously, people Well, 
don't see that there's an 

1073
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:29,400
Engaged Community for your 
podcast. 

1074
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:33,200
However, the upside is that not 
only can, you know, stay engage 

1075
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:36,200
with your community and make 
them feel a loyalty to your 

1076
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:38,500
podcast. 
There's also you can ask them 

1077
01:02:38,500 --> 01:02:40,400
like, hey, can you guys share? 
Can you tell it? 

1078
01:02:40,408 --> 01:02:42,900
Like, if you had, like, what's 
your thoughts on the podcast? 

1079
01:02:42,900 --> 01:02:46,600
Can you share it in this review 
site that started like and and 

1080
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:48,900
at least one person will be 
like, oh absolutely, I'll do 

1081
01:02:48,900 --> 01:02:50,700
that. 
Because a lot of people are 

1082
01:02:50,700 --> 01:02:53,300
indeed shy to let you know how 
they feel. 

1083
01:02:53,700 --> 01:02:57,000
But if they know the Peter is 
like this would really help us 

1084
01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:59,400
out. 
They'll be like oh okay where 

1085
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:01,800
they've been given license to do
that thing. 

1086
01:03:02,100 --> 01:03:05,300
And that sort of relationship is
wonderful to keep up if you can 

1087
01:03:05,300 --> 01:03:08,000
keep it up. 
However obviously that does have

1088
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:12,800
downsides it takes a lot of work
to like keep up if you're not as

1089
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:18,800
a very online, as I am a child, 
it might not be doable or like 

1090
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:23,200
stainable but it does help with 
some people who are afraid to do

1091
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:27,000
these things publicly. 
Some people don't want to reveal

1092
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:29,900
that they're into something and 
at this cord server in the very 

1093
01:03:29,900 --> 01:03:33,800
least allows them to at least 
you know interact with you. 

1094
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:37,400
So that you know that this is 
the person who's listening even 

1095
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:41,200
if they can't post about it 
probably which is yeah a nice 

1096
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:44,400
thing to have that's beautiful 
but also a lot of work right to 

1097
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:46,500
be there. 
It's our Workforce system only 

1098
01:03:46,500 --> 01:03:50,200
from your perspective and to 
help keep those conversations 

1099
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:52,100
going. 
So kudos to you for, you know, 

1100
01:03:52,100 --> 01:03:55,200
having the time inclination and 
energy to do that on top. 

1101
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:58,000
Top of everything else, the 
possibility for some people. 

1102
01:03:58,300 --> 01:04:00,800
If they wish to try that, try 
that. 

1103
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:03,000
This court is also like where 
all the other people are right 

1104
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:07,900
now, but, you know, issues, but 
demographics can help ya always 

1105
01:04:07,900 --> 01:04:10,200
key and I, yeah, I wonder 
whether, you know, there are 

1106
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:13,200
generic places. 
I go to like the podcast Nexus 

1107
01:04:13,300 --> 01:04:17,700
teams and there's a few audio 
fiction, generic groups which I 

1108
01:04:17,707 --> 01:04:20,900
will put links to as well on the
show notes which I dip into and 

1109
01:04:20,900 --> 01:04:23,800
out of and my brain explodes 
because as a voice actor as 

1110
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:27,200
well, when people create I ate 
their own Discord servers. 

1111
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:31,500
I can't be present in everyone 
as actor or someone in there. 

1112
01:04:31,500 --> 01:04:34,800
So yeah, it's about being all. 
So kind to yourself in thinking 

1113
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:38,400
where is the importance basis to
be right? 

1114
01:04:38,500 --> 01:04:40,900
And then that's the other thing 
I just want to address in this 

1115
01:04:40,900 --> 01:04:46,300
course, Sarah can I can I make a
quick suggestion for people as a

1116
01:04:46,300 --> 01:04:48,100
promotion thing. 
Okay. 

1117
01:04:48,100 --> 01:04:52,200
So with the Fiction podcast, 
weekly, a reasonable portion of 

1118
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:55,800
people who subscribe to the 
Fiction podcast weekly are Who 

1119
01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:59,700
their main interest is finding 
new podcast to listen to. 

1120
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:03,800
And then their next step is it's
a little bit of like oh podcasts

1121
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:06,000
are cool but they're not 
interested in making one 

1122
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:09,500
themselves or their podcasting 
professionals, who enjoy 

1123
01:05:09,500 --> 01:05:12,600
listening to audio fiction. 
But they're, they're never going

1124
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:17,000
to make their own. 
And one of the things that I 

1125
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:20,500
think makes a huge difference. 
For example, Travis ven graph, 

1126
01:05:20,500 --> 01:05:25,900
does this thing where he does 
his dialogue assembly on Twitch 

1127
01:05:25,900 --> 01:05:30,900
and YouTube live and you could 
stop by and say hi Travis you 

1128
01:05:30,900 --> 01:05:33,800
can you know or but you know I 
mean you know, he's going to 

1129
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:36,600
ignore you because he's working,
but he's talking the whole time.

1130
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:39,100
It gives him a little bit of 
accountability because like, I 

1131
01:05:39,100 --> 01:05:44,600
personally find dialog editing 
his rewarding for me, but it's 

1132
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:46,600
log. 
It's hard work. 

1133
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:49,800
And you really have to be paying
attention and I would love 

1134
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:51,500
having an accountability 
partner. 

1135
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:53,300
I love it. 
It sit there and go. 

1136
01:05:53,300 --> 01:05:55,100
Come on, you got to get it done.
Okay, quick. 

1137
01:05:55,300 --> 01:05:58,800
Froth or know you've been good. 
You worked really hard on this 

1138
01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:00,400
episode. 
You go get a cookie now. 

1139
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:05,700
Okay I'll go get a cookie and 
stretch my legs, but if you have

1140
01:06:05,700 --> 01:06:11,100
behind-the-scenes content that 
you can put on the internet, do 

1141
01:06:11,100 --> 01:06:13,300
it. 
Because if even if you're just 

1142
01:06:13,300 --> 01:06:16,600
saying, okay, during our 
recording session today, this is

1143
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:20,800
how many Kleenex I generated 
from clearing my throat because 

1144
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:22,900
I'm so sick or something like 
that. 

1145
01:06:22,900 --> 01:06:25,100
That's quite gross. 
But yeah, it's quite 

1146
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:28,800
Disappointing. 
But it would be, you know, it 

1147
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:31,900
would be a great way. 
It's another angle. 

1148
01:06:32,500 --> 01:06:34,700
Yeah. 
It humanizes our whole pod 

1149
01:06:34,700 --> 01:06:38,000
casting process and I think that
audiences need to see hey what 

1150
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:40,100
really happens behind the scenes
here. 

1151
01:06:40,500 --> 01:06:41,700
Yeah. 
Well talking of which that's 

1152
01:06:41,700 --> 01:06:44,600
just a selfie, everyone. 
Give me a nice smile and 

1153
01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:47,400
audience if your listing that's 
Duran, imagine picture of you. 

1154
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:53,100
Are you ready? 
3 2, 1, smiling groovy. 

1155
01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:58,700
But yeah, I think With regards 
to, you know, that whole thing 

1156
01:06:58,700 --> 01:07:02,100
of the Quagmire and wading 
through and doing all of the 

1157
01:07:02,100 --> 01:07:04,900
things wearing all of the Hat, I
just wanted to adjust their 

1158
01:07:04,900 --> 01:07:10,200
self-care aspect of what we do. 
And what do you do as a female 

1159
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:15,100
creative to be kind to yourself 
in this space that's up to 

1160
01:07:15,100 --> 01:07:19,100
anybody's only one wants to 
start that red wine red. 

1161
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:24,900
Yeah like a relaxing thing. 
They're in my purse. 

1162
01:07:25,300 --> 01:07:28,200
There will be a ringtone of 
floating red, wine and young, 

1163
01:07:30,100 --> 01:07:39,600
something like that. 
Oh yeah, I just have one answer.

1164
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:44,000
I guess I'm very bad at stopping
myself from doing too much work,

1165
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:45,400
right? 
As you can probably tell I do 

1166
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:47,700
animation Comics, writing, 
amazing. 

1167
01:07:48,900 --> 01:07:55,000
But a big thing that I do do is 
I gave myself like hard rules 

1168
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:58,900
that Technically, nobody is 
enforcing except me for example,

1169
01:07:58,900 --> 01:08:03,000
for our, for our fundraiser, my 
hard rule, is that will not post

1170
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:08,200
our fundraiser until we hit 45 
50, but it's nice because it has

1171
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:12,200
a heart like a hard end and I 
feel like that also goes for 

1172
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:17,100
maybe a schedule like, okay, do 
not be doing any work at this 

1173
01:08:17,100 --> 01:08:20,899
time because you are not doing 
anything until this date like 

1174
01:08:20,899 --> 01:08:24,100
those hard rules. 
They're very helpful to kind of 

1175
01:08:24,100 --> 01:08:30,000
make give You the chance to 
opportunity like it permission 

1176
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:33,700
permission to just stop for a 
second and be like, oh, every 

1177
01:08:33,700 --> 01:08:37,000
time now, I'll go do something 
with my free time. 

1178
01:08:37,100 --> 01:08:39,700
Yes, that's nice. 
That's a way to kind of take 

1179
01:08:39,700 --> 01:08:43,000
care of yourself because even if
technically, you could be like, 

1180
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:47,200
well actually, I can release 
this entire act, three, even if 

1181
01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:49,899
I've only hit one thousand 
dollars, that sort of thing, I 

1182
01:08:49,899 --> 01:08:53,800
can do that just because you can
doesn't mean you should. 

1183
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:58,700
So those Hardline Lake. 
And if you tell people this is 

1184
01:08:58,700 --> 01:09:01,100
the rule. 
Yes, it's harder to go back on 

1185
01:09:01,100 --> 01:09:05,100
it so that helps to like okay, I
will not post this until 45 50, 

1186
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:08,000
that's my rule. 
And even though I could even 

1187
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:09,800
though I definitely can I want 
to? 

1188
01:09:09,899 --> 01:09:12,700
Yeah, don't do it because you 
already told people, you can't 

1189
01:09:12,700 --> 01:09:14,899
go back on that. 
Unless it's very important that 

1190
01:09:14,899 --> 01:09:16,899
you do. 
That's good setting boundaries 

1191
01:09:16,899 --> 01:09:19,600
and making sure you stick to 
them so that you can earn that 

1192
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:20,899
wine. 
Yeah, Chrissy. 

1193
01:09:20,899 --> 01:09:24,899
And that's where all my shame is
only shave my head. 

1194
01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:29,700
I would like to build on the 
scheduling as far as make sure 

1195
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:32,200
your own deadlines are 
obtainable. 

1196
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:38,300
Give yourself plenty of time to 
get things done, but expect the 

1197
01:09:38,300 --> 01:09:42,399
unexpected, you're actor, not 
turning their recordings in on 

1198
01:09:42,399 --> 01:09:44,800
time, some sort of computer 
crash. 

1199
01:09:45,100 --> 01:09:47,899
Oh my gosh, my car crashed. 
And now I have to spend three 

1200
01:09:47,899 --> 01:09:50,500
days at the mechanic. 
Think about that? 

1201
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:55,400
I think if you're rushing to get
your work out because you Want 

1202
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:58,200
to have it in a certain time 
frame, you've got to make sure 

1203
01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:02,000
you've built in a cushion for 
life, because I'm gonna guess a 

1204
01:10:02,008 --> 01:10:03,700
lot of people, especially 
starting out. 

1205
01:10:03,700 --> 01:10:07,600
Myself included are not making a
living on this. 

1206
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:15,500
So, this is my personal time not
yet, not yet, but being able to,

1207
01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:19,900
to be okay with life getting in 
the way for a little while, so 

1208
01:10:19,900 --> 01:10:23,100
you can go back to it. 
So and then, you know, going 

1209
01:10:23,100 --> 01:10:27,600
back to our discussion about 
Justin C is having then that 

1210
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:31,700
consistency in your release. 
Yeah so people aren't all over 

1211
01:10:31,700 --> 01:10:34,300
the road trying to figure out 
when am I going to hear from 

1212
01:10:34,300 --> 01:10:36,500
this show? 
Again if you've planned your 

1213
01:10:36,500 --> 01:10:39,900
production schedule out enough 
ahead of time, you can keep to 

1214
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:43,300
some semblance of a release 
schedule, so it's all that is 

1215
01:10:43,300 --> 01:10:45,800
self care. 
That is making it not all be on 

1216
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:49,400
your shoulders in the 11th, Hour
hundred percent and I think we 

1217
01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:52,000
have had discussions on this 
show countless ones before 

1218
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:55,000
about, you know, get over the 
whole season. 

1219
01:10:55,300 --> 01:10:58,100
Three-quarters of your season 
done before you start releasing 

1220
01:10:58,900 --> 01:11:01,900
just to save yourself, the 
headache and the the mental 

1221
01:11:01,900 --> 01:11:05,700
trauma because I've have seen so
much burnout in this industry 

1222
01:11:05,700 --> 01:11:08,600
over the last of seven years of 
people who are doing far too 

1223
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:10,600
much and just need to be kinder 
to themselves. 

1224
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:13,600
If that's you, please do and 
take heed of what these amazing 

1225
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:15,800
folks have been saying they had 
one last thing. 

1226
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:18,200
I'm so sorry. 
Please do no. 

1227
01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:20,300
It's why you're here for, thank 
you. 

1228
01:11:21,100 --> 01:11:22,700
Yes. 
So I actually listened to a 

1229
01:11:22,700 --> 01:11:25,500
financial podcast called the 
financial diet and they have 

1230
01:11:25,500 --> 01:11:28,900
helped me with self-care more 
than any other thing because 

1231
01:11:28,900 --> 01:11:32,900
they they make self-care into 
sort of like as part of like 

1232
01:11:32,900 --> 01:11:36,100
almost a business strategy in a 
way where it's like. 

1233
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:38,900
Yeah, it's wonderful because 
basically they tell you, this is

1234
01:11:38,900 --> 01:11:42,500
not self care like going in a 
bathtub doing this thing. 

1235
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:46,600
It's not self care. 
If you are not regimen Ting like

1236
01:11:46,900 --> 01:11:51,000
separating your work from you 
and having a proper boundaries 

1237
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:56,200
like self-care is have is like 
you know, when you're Gives you 

1238
01:11:56,600 --> 01:12:01,900
like proper benefits a weekend. 
They respect your like these 

1239
01:12:01,900 --> 01:12:05,900
regiments and like rules that 
give the allow you. 

1240
01:12:05,900 --> 01:12:08,300
It's the name of this podcast, 
that's called the financial down

1241
01:12:08,300 --> 01:12:11,600
the financial diet and that's 
wonderful because they're like, 

1242
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:14,800
it's about respect. 
It's about respecting your time.

1243
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:19,000
It's about like it's almost 
like, I've been in both 

1244
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:21,900
situations where I had a job 
where they thought that giving 

1245
01:12:21,900 --> 01:12:24,200
us a pizza party with makeup for
incompetence. 

1246
01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:28,400
The station. 
The pizza party was real. 

1247
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:30,100
It's a parody, but it's also 
real. 

1248
01:12:30,100 --> 01:12:32,900
Yeah, and then I've had a job 
where they don't give you pizza 

1249
01:12:32,900 --> 01:12:37,200
parties or 13th month, bonus 
has, but they give you benefits 

1250
01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:41,000
and established vacation time 
and they don't bother you on the

1251
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:45,200
weekends and that is self-care. 
I just like a cuddle to be 

1252
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:49,800
honest. 
There's are both what they mean.

1253
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:52,000
It's all wonderful. 
It's just not the point. 

1254
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:55,800
Like the point is that you have 
to have these Limits these 

1255
01:12:55,800 --> 01:13:00,300
buttons proper boundaries, so 
that you can find what emotional

1256
01:13:00,300 --> 01:13:03,600
thing, yourself care will be in 
those boundaries, and that's 

1257
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:06,200
always like you cannot find 
yourself care. 

1258
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:09,900
If you don't have that respect 
for that boundary, my line for 

1259
01:13:09,900 --> 01:13:15,400
that was pepperoni is not 
appreciated, he said pepperoni 

1260
01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:18,600
is not panic so that's what he's
only to be on t-shirts and not 

1261
01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:22,700
been Georgia. 
You had some some creepy things 

1262
01:13:22,700 --> 01:13:24,400
to say. 
Yeah, I mean, the other aspect 

1263
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:26,500
is all carry. 
Is actually meeting, you need 

1264
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:31,700
some for far too often. 
You really have to hit a wall 

1265
01:13:31,700 --> 01:13:36,000
and crash to go. 
Oh, you know what I need? 

1266
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:38,600
I need to not be here any to not
do this. 

1267
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:43,500
I need to not for a while 
saying, no and time that happens

1268
01:13:43,500 --> 01:13:47,000
with creative projects. 
I mean right now I'm a tad burnt

1269
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:50,400
out because there was a lot of 
creativity that happened last 

1270
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:52,200
year. 
So I'm only pretty much doing 

1271
01:13:52,300 --> 01:13:56,000
voiceovers and even then I'm not
doing as much as I used to 

1272
01:13:56,000 --> 01:14:04,400
because my job is actually 
pretty hectic right now, but it 

1273
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:09,400
was It took me a little bit to 
be like, okay I can't meet my 

1274
01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:13,500
own self-imposed deadlines on 
the script I'm on season 2. 

1275
01:14:13,500 --> 01:14:15,300
I've got my outline. 
I know where the characters are 

1276
01:14:15,300 --> 01:14:19,100
going to go but I'm not feeling 
it to start the actual writing 

1277
01:14:19,100 --> 01:14:26,800
process and taking that break. 
I've been working on wavy hot 

1278
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:30,700
now and God bless Courtney for 
letting me slack quite a bit on 

1279
01:14:30,700 --> 01:14:34,500
my share of the writing for the 
third season but you know, 

1280
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:37,600
throwing in my scenes Air and 
focusing on that and enjoying. 

1281
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:39,700
I've been writing a wonderful 
eat. 

1282
01:14:39,700 --> 01:14:43,600
We British quaint mystery. 
This is that EV B? 

1283
01:14:43,900 --> 01:14:47,100
I'm you know I'm entranced by 
this fine. 

1284
01:14:47,100 --> 01:14:47,900
Fine. 
None. 

1285
01:14:47,900 --> 01:14:50,900
Who is solving crimes on her on 
her little Vespa. 

1286
01:14:53,400 --> 01:14:56,100
Usually something like the 
budget or he's been broken into 

1287
01:14:56,100 --> 01:14:58,900
in the prize, budgie was stolen 
for the festival. 

1288
01:14:59,100 --> 01:15:04,900
Oh, dear not, you know, either 
way so saying no saying no, to 

1289
01:15:04,900 --> 01:15:09,800
even yourself. 
And people may not like to hear 

1290
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:14,000
it getting a healthy amount of 
exercise, but eating right, 

1291
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:17,500
making an effort to take care of
your physical body because you 

1292
01:15:17,500 --> 01:15:21,300
have to live in it and when you 
don't feel good and especially 

1293
01:15:21,300 --> 01:15:27,900
since for so many of us who 
found podcasting often comes out

1294
01:15:27,900 --> 01:15:31,300
of limitations, we have in the 
real world and trying to create 

1295
01:15:31,300 --> 01:15:35,500
something that fits the the 
gigantic bold. 

1296
01:15:35,900 --> 01:15:38,900
Massive, Phoenix of a creature 
trapped in your brain. 

1297
01:15:38,900 --> 01:15:41,200
That is you. 
That's dealing with a body. 

1298
01:15:41,200 --> 01:15:44,200
That's not quite living up to 
your expectations. 

1299
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:47,800
Thank you. 
You have to take care of that. 

1300
01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:52,900
To take your meds, try to sleep,
get a massage, cool. 

1301
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:56,300
And you know, just those are 
very key. 

1302
01:15:56,300 --> 01:16:01,200
Critical parts of your 
creativity and let yourself have

1303
01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:03,900
the wonderful Joy of being very 
foolish. 

1304
01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:08,400
Go out, be stupid. 
Take a Walk think funny strange,

1305
01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:12,900
thoughts that imagine that you 
are this or that are you a 

1306
01:16:12,900 --> 01:16:15,800
turnip today? 
You could be you never every 

1307
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:17,900
day. 
Sometimes that just happens and 

1308
01:16:17,900 --> 01:16:22,100
it does happen be it'd be 
foolish because one of the 

1309
01:16:22,100 --> 01:16:26,900
biggest drawbacks to adult, 
creativity is adulthood. 

1310
01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:30,500
Oh, I'm glad you said, yes. 
Yes, it's a terrible idea. 

1311
01:16:30,500 --> 01:16:35,000
And I put my foot down on that 
before I became one because I 

1312
01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:37,200
thought it was quite wrong and 
adults were very sick. 

1313
01:16:37,900 --> 01:16:43,400
So I have grown much older but I
never really bothered with 

1314
01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:45,600
adulthood because I didn't see 
them as actually being an 

1315
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:52,100
improvement on who I was. 
So no to that absolutely holy 

1316
01:16:52,100 --> 01:16:55,100
praise everything you've just 
said and my top tip is butt 

1317
01:16:55,100 --> 01:16:58,000
crunches to a favorite song of 
your choice in the morning. 

1318
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:01,500
Three minutes non-stop. 
It's it's doing that every day, 

1319
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:07,700
okay, teach me that one. 
It's a new British breakfast 

1320
01:17:07,700 --> 01:17:11,300
cereal, but crunches, crunches. 
The exercise to learn to 

1321
01:17:11,300 --> 01:17:13,000
working, you know, don't tempt 
them. 

1322
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:19,100
Have you seen English actually? 
Mushy peas are really good and 

1323
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:23,400
it's because in the two main 
ingredients are butter and mint.

1324
01:17:23,400 --> 01:17:28,600
Yeah, it's not about peas and I 
believe I speak for the Jamaican

1325
01:17:29,100 --> 01:17:31,900
part of me. 
When I say, you're welcome for 

1326
01:17:31,900 --> 01:17:38,400
the flavored food. 
Yeah, I think basically British 

1327
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:42,700
culture is, there's a guy who 
says it's sitting having an 

1328
01:17:42,700 --> 01:17:50,000
Indian takeaway in front of 
American television with on a 

1329
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:52,900
Swedish soap and you don't raise
all of that is nothing. 

1330
01:17:56,000 --> 01:18:00,400
But I think I'd love to just 
finish with like breaking up 

1331
01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:04,300
some other folks that we know of
in the community multi if you've

1332
01:18:04,300 --> 01:18:05,800
got any one, you want to 
promote. 

1333
01:18:06,700 --> 01:18:09,100
Absolutely. 
Unfortunately, I don't listen to

1334
01:18:09,100 --> 01:18:12,400
that many podcasts. 
However, I do want to mention 

1335
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:14,400
the financial diet. 
You do much better than me, but 

1336
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:18,500
they helped me a lot and it is 
about like, women in finance and

1337
01:18:18,508 --> 01:18:21,000
people who have not 
traditionally been able to get 

1338
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:23,400
into Finance, having making 
smart decisions. 

1339
01:18:23,700 --> 01:18:27,900
And also, the other thing is, 
I'm Octavia Bray who did life 

1340
01:18:27,900 --> 01:18:30,100
with Leo. 
Yeah, it's adorable. 

1341
01:18:30,300 --> 01:18:34,500
It's, I love it so much. 
It's a romance between a lawyer,

1342
01:18:34,900 --> 01:18:37,800
human lawyer. 
And a an Android who's in love 

1343
01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:40,000
with her. 
And I, it's just makes me so 

1344
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:43,400
happy and they're preparing for 
the next season and those are 

1345
01:18:43,407 --> 01:18:44,700
the two. 
I just want to shout out, I 

1346
01:18:44,708 --> 01:18:47,200
really am. 
Yeah thank you just on a great 

1347
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:51,000
fun fundraiser for that. 
Having a two-year super Floyd. 

1348
01:18:51,100 --> 01:18:52,800
I anyone you want to share with 
us. 

1349
01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:56,900
Yeah yeah listen I just found 
this one today so I thought I'd 

1350
01:18:56,900 --> 01:19:00,000
mention it. 
I'm going to read out just a 

1351
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:02,600
bit. 
What it says on a Facebook page,

1352
01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:05,500
a name is Brenna Anderson High 
from Dowd. 

1353
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:10,600
Main writer actor, and director 
of this half-baked idea is a 

1354
01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:15,300
feral Goblin cleverly disguised 
as a 1940s housewife. 

1355
01:19:15,700 --> 01:19:19,600
She's got 30 years of experience
of writing fiction, on material 

1356
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:22,200
under her belt. 
Anyway, the podcast is called 

1357
01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:26,900
care and feeding of werewolves. 
And as I've only this listen, 

1358
01:19:28,900 --> 01:19:34,400
it's just it's in there and it's
just beautifully written and 

1359
01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:36,600
performed. 
And it just Took me from the 

1360
01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:40,100
trailer. 
Yes, excellent, thank you. 

1361
01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:45,200
Well, I consume podcast like 
they are little great. 

1362
01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:51,200
Yes, honestly, seeing here in my
home or in my office. 

1363
01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:55,600
Well and sometimes it's the both
places and I literally go 

1364
01:19:55,600 --> 01:19:58,600
through so many podcasts that 
I'm constantly out. 

1365
01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:00,400
So I'm going to throw out a few 
people. 

1366
01:20:00,700 --> 01:20:03,400
I'm going to second act a via 
brave because I do adore life 

1367
01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:10,800
with Leo and Is there anything 
Ka stats can't right now? 

1368
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:15,700
That is scary. 
I adore her I'm devolve into 

1369
01:20:15,700 --> 01:20:19,800
like fangirl isn't whenever 
she's around so sorry Travis 

1370
01:20:24,300 --> 01:20:28,100
Shannon you know I love you you 
know I love all those nine. 

1371
01:20:29,100 --> 01:20:33,800
Don't you so much? 
Shannon K for president. 

1372
01:20:33,900 --> 01:20:40,400
Absolutely in a heartbeat and 
gosh, I've been eating. 

1373
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:43,500
I've been definitely listening 
to read too many because there's

1374
01:20:43,500 --> 01:20:47,600
so many, there's more coming. 
I'm editing some tonight so much

1375
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:52,700
more and I love is spooky Tales,
Christina and m.j. 

1376
01:20:52,700 --> 01:20:55,400
So basically, if there's 
something, despite the fact that

1377
01:20:55,407 --> 01:20:58,100
I write comedy, I consume so 
much sci-fi and horror that 

1378
01:20:58,100 --> 01:21:01,200
every so often I go, is this 
something quite wrong? 

1379
01:21:01,300 --> 01:21:06,200
With you Georgian Patrice. 
Mackenzie what is wrong with 

1380
01:21:06,200 --> 01:21:09,400
you? 
You do not need to hit that and 

1381
01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:15,400
listen to one more scary thing 
but you know, I do a Spirit Box 

1382
01:21:15,400 --> 01:21:18,100
radio. 
Yes, gloriously that's a babe 

1383
01:21:18,100 --> 01:21:22,200
them non-binary trans masculine 
but I love that one. 

1384
01:21:22,900 --> 01:21:28,500
And so there's so many great 
female creators out there but we

1385
01:21:28,500 --> 01:21:33,300
need more because so many of you
have stories And looking forward

1386
01:21:33,300 --> 01:21:34,500
to more great. 
Thank you. 

1387
01:21:34,500 --> 01:21:36,500
And I hope is a result of 
listening to these folks, you 

1388
01:21:36,500 --> 01:21:39,000
do. 
And if you do tell us a quirky 

1389
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:42,800
voices at gmail.com and or hit 
us up on all the Twitter 

1390
01:21:42,900 --> 01:21:45,400
podcast. 
Links, I'm going to put in the 

1391
01:21:45,407 --> 01:21:49,200
show notes, Angela, who don't 
share, yes, I have to wrap my 

1392
01:21:49,200 --> 01:21:52,600
other mythology gals out there. 
So I do have to recommend Echo 

1393
01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:58,300
box which is a Greek mythology 
podcast as a Gossip Girl style. 

1394
01:21:58,300 --> 01:22:03,500
So it's like XOXO Gossip Girl. 
My God And then there's also 

1395
01:22:03,500 --> 01:22:07,700
Friday Night Fights which is in 
our turian, mythology, style 

1396
01:22:08,500 --> 01:22:11,800
Audio Drama, which is absolutely
hilarious. 

1397
01:22:11,800 --> 01:22:14,100
I love it. 
It's basically like Arthur and 

1398
01:22:14,100 --> 01:22:18,400
the Knights of the Round Table 
as like teenagers now and it's I

1399
01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:21,700
just died. 
And then of course, I actually 

1400
01:22:21,700 --> 01:22:25,600
invited matze to this interviews
or yeah, to the interview and I 

1401
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:27,600
obviously have to wrap her as 
well. 

1402
01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:30,800
Hi, nigh. 
Yeah, anything. 

1403
01:22:31,400 --> 01:22:35,300
And scary, all the above, you 
just gotta listen. 

1404
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:38,500
I'm just gonna jump on that last
recommendation there. 

1405
01:22:38,500 --> 01:22:41,000
Why should folks listen to her? 
And I, what about it worse ways?

1406
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:45,300
It's so groovy. 
Oh, it's just so nice to be able

1407
01:22:45,300 --> 01:22:46,400
to have, you know, there's 
heart. 

1408
01:22:46,400 --> 01:22:48,900
There's all kinds of horror, but
like Asian horror. 

1409
01:22:49,900 --> 01:22:51,900
We see it a lot in movie 
theaters, you know, the ring, 

1410
01:22:52,100 --> 01:22:55,100
all kinds of, like, Japanese 
Chinese Korean stuff like that. 

1411
01:22:55,100 --> 01:22:59,900
But, like Filipino horror, we 
have not seen yet, and it's 

1412
01:22:59,900 --> 01:23:02,300
something like, We're missing 
out. 

1413
01:23:02,900 --> 01:23:07,600
Yeah, there's so much to explore
and all different cultures, and 

1414
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:11,700
countries and we have to have 
our ears open for these kinds of

1415
01:23:11,700 --> 01:23:13,900
things. 
Brilliant, that's how she 

1416
01:23:13,900 --> 01:23:15,000
recommendation. 
Thank you. 

1417
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:18,200
We thought it wasn't scary until
people started telling us like, 

1418
01:23:18,200 --> 01:23:19,500
why didn't you tell us was 
scary? 

1419
01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:24,100
And so that's like, that's how I
like em. 

1420
01:23:24,100 --> 01:23:25,800
Listen. 
They're like, no, it's too 

1421
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:30,200
scary. 
Like, that's that's awesome. 

1422
01:23:30,200 --> 01:23:32,600
I'm actually, I'm sitting here. 
Reading through your show notes 

1423
01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:35,300
right now and I'm just digging 
this didn't see. 

1424
01:23:35,300 --> 01:23:37,700
It's your time to recommend if 
you got time. 

1425
01:23:37,900 --> 01:23:43,500
Oh, I was going to say, Lindsay 
Sherman from long comedian cab, 

1426
01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:47,400
everything. 
They touch is audio gold. 

1427
01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:49,900
Yeah. 
And another person that I want 

1428
01:23:49,900 --> 01:23:53,300
to want to recommend who is not 
in the audio fiction, realm or 

1429
01:23:53,300 --> 01:23:57,200
anything, but Allegra Sinclair, 
who does a podcast called your 

1430
01:23:57,200 --> 01:24:00,500
confidence self and its really 
it's meant more for women that 

1431
01:24:00,500 --> 01:24:06,900
are business professionals that 
are, you know, it's about how I 

1432
01:24:06,900 --> 01:24:09,900
think it's more about being 
confident in the work place and 

1433
01:24:09,900 --> 01:24:12,100
being able to be like, yeah, I 
can make things happen. 

1434
01:24:12,100 --> 01:24:16,300
I can reach my goals, but she, 
and I worked together and she's 

1435
01:24:16,300 --> 01:24:21,500
always got something. 
She's just really good at no 

1436
01:24:21,500 --> 01:24:23,400
matter. 
If she's one of these people who

1437
01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:26,100
like every time, she gives me 
like a little tidbit of 

1438
01:24:26,100 --> 01:24:28,900
information, I have to write it 
down on a Post-It, note and 

1439
01:24:28,900 --> 01:24:32,700
stick it to my desk and it gets 
to the point that Like I've just

1440
01:24:32,700 --> 01:24:36,800
got like a whole row of them and
the, you know, she's just, she's

1441
01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:39,900
a lovely brilliant lady. 
So she's worth listening to 

1442
01:24:40,100 --> 01:24:42,000
Stevie. 
Okay, yeah, but said those are 

1443
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:44,500
my big Rex, I think, and 
Chrissy. 

1444
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:49,200
Yeah, you know, I realize I'm 
looking at the audio dramas that

1445
01:24:49,200 --> 01:24:53,100
I do listen to it, they're all 
made by men and I read it went, 

1446
01:24:53,100 --> 01:24:56,400
of course, Oz 9, which is 
already been recommended. 

1447
01:24:56,700 --> 01:25:01,600
I met Shannon at podcast 
movement, last March, and I felt

1448
01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:03,000
like she was my long-lost 
girlfriend. 

1449
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:04,400
That we'd known each other our 
whole lives. 

1450
01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:09,200
So I adore adore oz9 and I'm so 
happy to be in the cast now. 

1451
01:25:09,300 --> 01:25:11,600
Yes. 
Um, how about I give you guys a 

1452
01:25:11,608 --> 01:25:16,700
recommendation outside of the 
podcast world, but the OG audio 

1453
01:25:16,700 --> 01:25:22,700
dramas, The New Adventures of 
Sherlock Holmes from 1939 to 

1454
01:25:22,700 --> 01:25:27,100
1943, Edith. 
Miser was the only writer on 

1455
01:25:27,100 --> 01:25:30,000
that show. 
She wrote every episode she was 

1456
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:32,600
forced out. 
The network wanted more 

1457
01:25:32,600 --> 01:25:36,200
violence. 
So here she was trying to, to 

1458
01:25:36,200 --> 01:25:40,100
keep to the intellectual side of
Sherlock Holmes. 

1459
01:25:40,100 --> 01:25:43,500
And they're like, no, we want 
more more blood so she got 

1460
01:25:43,500 --> 01:25:45,700
pushed out, but I would highly 
recommend if you really want to 

1461
01:25:45,708 --> 01:25:48,000
go. 
Oh, gee on your audio dramas 

1462
01:25:48,200 --> 01:25:50,900
archive.org, you'll see them at 
archive.org. 

1463
01:25:50,900 --> 01:25:52,400
Thank you. 
I'll put these links in the show

1464
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:55,400
notes and Dana's back just in 
time. 

1465
01:25:55,400 --> 01:25:59,800
Tina to tell us to closing the 
show, Almost would your top 

1466
01:25:59,800 --> 01:26:01,100
recommendation might be for 
folks. 

1467
01:26:01,200 --> 01:26:06,000
To listen to female our guys 
together. 

1468
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:10,200
So many this is this is going to
sound like a cop out, but for 

1469
01:26:10,200 --> 01:26:15,800
like a good entrance level sort 
of thing, I would go with 

1470
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:18,100
something like, girl in space, 
maybe they didn't. 

1471
01:26:19,800 --> 01:26:22,300
More of like the well that I 
hate to say that but one of the 

1472
01:26:22,308 --> 01:26:25,000
more well-known ones and it's 
much easier to start with 

1473
01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:27,600
something like that. 
I think and then jump into like 

1474
01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:31,500
some of the others just because 
it's the one that everybody 

1475
01:26:31,500 --> 01:26:36,300
knows and it's I don't know. 
Words are not my friend today 

1476
01:26:36,300 --> 01:26:38,600
but I do I usually go with one 
of those. 

1477
01:26:38,600 --> 01:26:42,200
So I've been listening to that 
and the pilgrimage catching up 

1478
01:26:42,200 --> 01:26:43,800
on that one. 
Amazing. 

1479
01:26:43,800 --> 01:26:47,000
Whoops, thank you so much hardly
for all of your recommendations 

1480
01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:49,800
today and I'm for joining us and
hopefully, you know, Oh, I 

1481
01:26:49,808 --> 01:26:52,300
forgot Sarah and about Fiona 
thrill. 

1482
01:26:52,300 --> 01:26:57,400
Well, known to fail is a fluent 
herself in a beautiful story, 

1483
01:26:57,400 --> 01:27:00,500
teller. 
And yeah, this is podcast that 

1484
01:27:00,500 --> 01:27:04,000
Bowser defeat of Glorious 
creative brain. 

1485
01:27:04,500 --> 01:27:07,800
Yeah, I'm I know that she's 
writing some new amazing, 

1486
01:27:07,800 --> 01:27:10,800
exciting things now, as well as 
doing production, managing on 

1487
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:13,300
some Wireless shows and 
producing things. 

1488
01:27:13,300 --> 01:27:15,700
So there's all sorts of cool 
things happening. 

1489
01:27:15,700 --> 01:27:20,000
So yes, use hearty hellos and 
congrats on being amazed. - 

1490
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:22,500
Fiona my partner in crime 
sometimes. 

1491
01:27:23,300 --> 01:27:24,200
Yeah. 
Thank you. 

1492
01:27:24,200 --> 01:27:30,700
So basically, I cannot say 
loudly and with enough Gaston, 

1493
01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:34,800
if you have that story in, you 
do what every single person who 

1494
01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:39,200
you've heard today is doing and 
be a part of that creating 

1495
01:27:39,300 --> 01:27:42,400
whether it be on your own 
forming a team, getting 

1496
01:27:42,400 --> 01:27:45,600
somebody's together or even 
asking Audio Drama Hub. 

1497
01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:49,100
I want to make this but I don't 
want to do it on my own who's in

1498
01:27:49,300 --> 01:27:51,300
you. 
I'm sat and get some raised 

1499
01:27:51,300 --> 01:27:55,300
hands and or any help from I'm 
sure any of the folks who have 

1500
01:27:55,300 --> 01:27:59,200
been speaking today, if you need
us, you'll find us, ask us 

1501
01:27:59,200 --> 01:28:01,700
questions. 
And if we can help will, I'm 

1502
01:28:01,700 --> 01:28:02,600
sure point you in the right 
direction. 

1503
01:28:03,200 --> 01:28:08,700
So, last sentence from everybody
will start with not serious, my 

1504
01:28:08,700 --> 01:28:11,200
last get it get this in before 
the end of the podcast thing. 

1505
01:28:11,200 --> 01:28:15,600
If on social media, if you want 
to show more of your stuff you 

1506
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:19,300
can always hire artists to do 
little things and collaborate. 

1507
01:28:19,600 --> 01:28:21,700
With amazing artists from 
outside the podcast face. 

1508
01:28:21,900 --> 01:28:24,900
That's always amazing as a 
visual artist and a podcaster. 

1509
01:28:25,200 --> 01:28:29,500
The marriage of those two is 
going to be magical and also 

1510
01:28:29,900 --> 01:28:31,900
just do the thing. 
It's great just do the thing. 

1511
01:28:32,100 --> 01:28:34,000
We like to do the thing. 
Joe Joe Joe. 

1512
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:35,900
Joe, what did you got say your 
last sentence? 

1513
01:28:36,100 --> 01:28:39,800
Well, thank you guys for being 
around here and don't forget to 

1514
01:28:39,800 --> 01:28:44,300
listen to Fast. 
Track to 40, yes, on every 

1515
01:28:44,300 --> 01:28:50,100
single stinkin podcast, possible
outlet and you can follow all Us

1516
01:28:50,300 --> 01:28:52,800
and varieties of social media, 
I'm pretty sure Sarah is going 

1517
01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:58,100
to have that in the show notes, 
Phillies last sentence from you.

1518
01:28:58,100 --> 01:29:01,100
That I'm still here. 
Still here not dead yet, as my 

1519
01:29:01,100 --> 01:29:10,000
favorite line from Spamalot. 
And so, yeah, I've the, The 

1520
01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:15,700
Adventures of Helen is a 
superhero A continuing and I'm 

1521
01:29:15,700 --> 01:29:20,000
also about to launch myself into
the, the land of Doing an 

1522
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:25,600
interview podcast. 
I've done my first one because I

1523
01:29:25,608 --> 01:29:28,700
had the idea of speaking to 
interesting. 

1524
01:29:29,400 --> 01:29:33,300
People of my generation and 
about the life experience and 

1525
01:29:33,300 --> 01:29:34,800
whatever. 
And I'm going to call it. 

1526
01:29:34,900 --> 01:29:39,200
Are you old yet exciting? 
Thank you. 

1527
01:29:39,400 --> 01:29:44,700
Something to look forward to 
Tina sentence to inspire them as

1528
01:29:44,900 --> 01:29:48,800
I'm going to say this because I 
am terrible at it, don't be 

1529
01:29:48,800 --> 01:29:51,000
afraid to reach out. 
And talk to other creators. 

1530
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:52,200
Like, like we're doing right 
now. 

1531
01:29:52,200 --> 01:29:54,600
Like, I don't think it besides 
Sarah. 

1532
01:29:54,600 --> 01:29:58,500
I've not met any of you and I 
probably transition from like a 

1533
01:29:58,508 --> 01:30:01,200
listener to a creative. 
Like, you guys are awesome. 

1534
01:30:01,200 --> 01:30:02,500
I can't reach out and talk to 
you. 

1535
01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:05,000
So I, I just I think that's 
something that maybe we should 

1536
01:30:05,000 --> 01:30:07,500
all work on is to try to make 
those connections and talk to 

1537
01:30:07,508 --> 01:30:10,700
people that we might think 
you're too cool to talk to us 

1538
01:30:10,700 --> 01:30:12,900
because they're probably most 
definitely not. 

1539
01:30:13,300 --> 01:30:18,700
I think we're pretty good. 
At least, you know, I am too. 

1540
01:30:18,700 --> 01:30:23,100
I am too. 
Fine Chrissy, words of 

1541
01:30:23,100 --> 01:30:25,800
grooviness I know. 
This gets said a lot, but just 

1542
01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:28,700
do it. 
Because I think in a lot of 

1543
01:30:28,700 --> 01:30:32,600
times we self-regulate and we 
tell ourselves, No One's Gonna 

1544
01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:34,700
like this. 
Oh, I'm the only one who will 

1545
01:30:34,700 --> 01:30:38,500
find this interesting and then 
you let other people give you 

1546
01:30:38,500 --> 01:30:40,100
input. 
Oh, you should change this and 

1547
01:30:40,100 --> 01:30:44,600
you should make it this way. 
Do your thing, your way if you 

1548
01:30:44,600 --> 01:30:47,700
like it, and you feel confident 
about it, somebody else is going

1549
01:30:47,700 --> 01:30:50,200
to not only read that. 
Confidence and that. 

1550
01:30:50,200 --> 01:30:52,600
Love that you're Brent putting 
out there, but they're gonna 

1551
01:30:52,600 --> 01:30:54,800
like it too. 
They're gonna like it too. 

1552
01:30:54,800 --> 01:30:57,200
So go out there and do it. 
I'm stress-eating Dash. 

1553
01:30:57,200 --> 01:30:58,800
Thank you, Angela. 
Yes. 

1554
01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:01,300
I do want to say there are tons 
of resources as well. 

1555
01:31:01,300 --> 01:31:05,800
We've talked about, you know, 
people on Twitch editing dialog.

1556
01:31:05,900 --> 01:31:08,200
There's also table reads, you 
can join on disk or where you 

1557
01:31:08,200 --> 01:31:11,200
just read scripts and have fun 
and voice Act without any like, 

1558
01:31:11,200 --> 01:31:13,700
you don't have to record, you 
don't have to be in front of 

1559
01:31:13,700 --> 01:31:15,000
people. 
It's totally chill. 

1560
01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:18,600
It's totally fun. 
Another Discord Channel. 

1561
01:31:18,700 --> 01:31:21,300
I'd like to recommend. 
Is the Audio Drama lab, that 

1562
01:31:21,300 --> 01:31:24,700
Discord was specifically to 
created to help others, make 

1563
01:31:24,700 --> 01:31:26,700
audio dramas. 
So there are resources out 

1564
01:31:26,700 --> 01:31:28,700
there. 
You don't have to do this alone,

1565
01:31:28,700 --> 01:31:33,000
you in like, you know, I need 
kinds of money or like fancy 

1566
01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:36,000
equipment to do this. 
You know, it's you got this. 

1567
01:31:36,100 --> 01:31:38,500
Trust us. 
I can record even though the 

1568
01:31:38,500 --> 01:31:39,700
phone. 
Absolutely. 

1569
01:31:39,700 --> 01:31:41,700
And Lindsay. 
Everything is always going to 

1570
01:31:41,700 --> 01:31:44,000
feel like there's something, 
it's always going to feel like, 

1571
01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:45,800
I don't know, I don't know. 
It. 

1572
01:31:45,800 --> 01:31:47,700
Then do it any Feel the fear and
do it? 

1573
01:31:47,700 --> 01:31:51,000
Anyway, do the thing dude. 
Do you do with your? 

1574
01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:54,900
We're not just gonna feel the 
fair. 

1575
01:31:54,900 --> 01:31:58,600
I'm gonna jump on it and spit it
out and go get it. 

1576
01:31:58,700 --> 01:32:01,600
But yeah, I really feel. 
I think, the more, the more fear

1577
01:32:01,600 --> 01:32:05,000
you're feeling the more you 
should sort of keep on going 

1578
01:32:05,000 --> 01:32:07,400
because you're, you know, you're
making something that you 

1579
01:32:07,400 --> 01:32:10,500
haven't seen before. 
Well, I'm going to quote one of 

1580
01:32:10,500 --> 01:32:14,500
my favorite lines Cosmo, no 
matter what you do. 

1581
01:32:14,500 --> 01:32:17,000
You're gonna die. 
That's right. 

1582
01:32:20,400 --> 01:32:23,900
And the truth of the matter is 
all your fears, all your 

1583
01:32:23,900 --> 01:32:26,200
embarrass melt all of it. 
Yeah. 

1584
01:32:26,200 --> 01:32:28,500
You're gonna die anyway. 
Yeah. 

1585
01:32:28,700 --> 01:32:30,900
You don't have to live with this
forever. 

1586
01:32:31,100 --> 01:32:35,000
Just do it. 
What is it? 

1587
01:32:35,600 --> 01:32:39,200
What was that? 
It was a movie with like, 

1588
01:32:39,200 --> 01:32:42,800
condiments and sausage guy. 
Yeah. 

1589
01:32:42,900 --> 01:32:45,800
Millions of millions of dollars 
of money went into that. 

1590
01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:46,900
That's the thing. 
Yeah. 

1591
01:32:46,900 --> 01:32:49,100
Yeah. 
Like people do, terrible things,

1592
01:32:49,100 --> 01:32:52,400
God Sharknado that go on ahead 
and make whatever the heck it 

1593
01:32:52,400 --> 01:32:54,900
is. 
You want without fear, none of 

1594
01:32:54,907 --> 01:32:58,800
those people lost with lee. 
Yeah, people put out terrible 

1595
01:32:58,800 --> 01:33:01,900
things all the time. 
I guarantee you're not going to 

1596
01:33:01,907 --> 01:33:03,900
be as bad as you think we did in
there. 

1597
01:33:04,400 --> 01:33:10,100
Yeah, there we go. 
So Do the thing, do it your way 

1598
01:33:10,100 --> 01:33:14,200
have the best fun, then live and
huge. 

1599
01:33:14,200 --> 01:33:15,600
Hearty thing. 
I think we're going to end with 

1600
01:33:15,600 --> 01:33:16,500
a bug. 
But about Bob. 

1601
01:33:16,500 --> 01:33:19,800
Bob Bob, Bob Bob I got from all 
of these people now. 

1602
01:33:20,000 --> 01:33:23,100
Are we ready? 
We can do it to ya, one. 

1603
01:33:30,100 --> 01:33:33,500
We are never going to be an 
acapella. 

1604
01:33:34,000 --> 01:33:37,800
I am. 
You can fix that with autotune. 

1605
01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:38,600
Ding. 
Come on. 

1606
01:33:38,600 --> 01:33:41,500
Yes, we'll make podcasts. 
Thank you so much. 

1607
01:33:41,500 --> 01:33:44,900
Do you like a fella? 
Thank you, Sarah. 

1608
01:33:45,300 --> 01:33:47,500
This has been so much fun. 
Fix it in. 

1609
01:33:47,500 --> 01:33:49,900
Post can't wait to hear this, 
everyone.