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pressed. So here we go, folks, with
Angela, Yee, hello and welcome. Hi.
Thank you for the invite. My name is Angela Yee.
I am the creator of a mythological Audio Drama called
residents of Persephone a park. We're currently working on
season 3. So take a look out for that.
I am also the production coordinator at Rome media and we
Lots of podcasts there. So, please come check us out,
raising sea. So, glad you're here.
Chrissy, talents h-hello, it has awesome hair.
Khmers 9, buddy. Hello, hello.
I am Chrissy. Tell him stage.
I'm a Los angeles-based Creator here for the show, Madison on
the air where I take actual old-time, radio, drama scripts
and adapt them with a modern-day girl Madison along for the
adventure, total comedy, total fun.
It's such a great show. If you haven't found it, my, my
you have a treat in store and lots of lulls laugh out loud.
Proper Ones to welcome and Floyd Kennedy has ours and welcome to
you. Thank you so much.
It's so great to be amongst you along here with you great great
badass women, my eye, my podcast is called a my old yet because
it's a question that started bugging me about two years ago.
And so I created a an audio fiction about an elderly woman.
Same age as myself. Am I allowed to say elderly?
To you? What you feel.
You're badass. Yeah, I feel like exactly.
So yes, every week, it's 10 minutes roughly 10 minute
episodes. She has interaction, shall we
say with her family, friends and random strangers?
And she's recently, managed to discover she has some superhuman
superhero skills as well. So yeah, quite new.
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When iíve listened to To it, and it is so funny.
That's what we need more. All right, Pizzaz from funny
energy, and good, great, brilliant creative in this
world. So welcome Floyd and under
Georgia, Mackenzie. Hello.
Has as so good to see you. Hear you.
I am the writer director and well lead voice, right?
One of the lead voices of fast track of 40 podcast, which is
basically about three friends on the cusp of 40 greatness.
Yes, Best years of your life and say, that's what they say, the
jury's still out and I'm over that and the it's a put out by
Oral stories on our podcast. I'm also on a number of other
projects all over the place. I've been on ostium for about
seven years playing Monica and copper heart podcast, couple of
other things. Pretty nice doesn't list goes on
and hopefully they'll be more to do after this show to there's a
lot of new projects. Come we will be clamoring to get
you in there shows right. Great.
So good to have you and thank you George for coming and
joining us and matze the pool. Hello.
Welcome. Hi.
Thank you for having me. My name is Marty depo and I am
the Creator director writer editor.
All that an analog style fiction, horror Audio, Drama
called heinie. It has a Filipino lead.
It has a queer and by podcast and it's basically about a
Philippine immigrant who's by Eleanor Shaman family background
accidentally get her gets her involved in stopping dangerous
Supernatural, events in Toronto. And right now, we are actually
doing our fundraiser for it because all of the episodes so
far, almost like 30 to 40, I've lost track.
So many episodes, all of them are available for free, but now
we're trying to, you know, raise money for our Our explosive
finale. And yeah, like outside of
podcasting. I am an animator.
I also make comics. So there was a comment about
doing too much and I'm definitely doing too much, but
I'm enjoying every bit of it. I'm so glad you found time to
join us today to share your brilliant expertise and I'm sure
you'll be inspiring our listeners to to create more so
welcome and last but not least here is Tina Daniels.
Hello Tina. Hey I am a boy.
Actor and co-producer on moon base data out of sci-fi podcast.
It's on the table and falling Network.
And we're on our last season and it's kind of nerve-racking.
It's weird to think about. I'm choosing to be in denial
right now. Do you know there's a few people
coast of been involved in on last season's and feeling good
grief already, but no way huge heard.
He welcomes, tinnitus is great to see you.
And you're going to hear more about your adventures shortly.
Now, I did say last but not least, I didn't mean that
because So I agree repair, Lindsay, Harris, real is here.
Yes, sir. And I make, we make ad with the
Audio Drama writers independent toolkit, which is supposed to
provide. I hope it provides writing
exercises and strategies for people to create their own
audio. Dramas, whether they're just
starting out or they are feeling a little bit stuck and they want
to try something new. That's what it's for also.
I created co-created yarn socks arising in 2015.
Something like that. Only 21, right?
Yeah. Right.
When I'm mere child, a mere slip of a girl as they say.
And then what else? I've done things with 11th Hour
audio and I also edit and send out the Fiction podcast, weekly
for the podcast. Oh, huzzah, sand, right?
The most brilliant articles for the podcast.
First host on huge variance of making and I know they've saved
my bacon and introduced me to lots of things, a lot of the
time. So if you haven't found those
yet, follow the links on the show notes, so brilliant.
What an amazing collection of amazing creative women you are.
Thank you for giving up some time as a say.
So first question, I'm going to ask you, Chrissy first, where is
the place that you think, folks? Because discoverability Is the
hardest thing we're going to start right there.
Where do you think? Is the place?
Most thinks, most folks must post their show publicity and
why, where do you get? No, oh my goodness.
I personally I feel like I'm on every place that could possibly
allow me there every morning, that's my job is to get out the
word I think for to reach other podcasters, Twitter has been a
great place. And certainly if you're an audio
drama Creator, you're looking to listen to Other audio dramas
because you love the genre. So there's lots of like we all
listen to each other's work but to reach strangers, I've been
finding a lot of the subreddit for Audio.
Drama is a really great place. There's definitely a boost there
whenever I throw out my name and whatnot and again you got to be
engaged though. It's not just drop your your
info and go II. Tried to engage in other
people's posts or answer questions that people have.
But I think that's a really good place to reach people who may be
like to Sumo audio, dramas, but are not creating them, because
that's the thing, isn't it? Once?
People get the bug and they realize, it's brilliant.
And people are there saying, you can make your own story, tell
your own, then people listeners become creatives to, right?
Which is, it is a wonderful thing.
But, yes, it is like reaching that instead of navel gazing
into our own medium Angela. What are your thoughts on that?
Where do you think folks need to be pushing themselves out to to
help that? Yes, cover ability, I absolutely
agree with everything. Chrissy has said, I also feel
it's still very important forward.
My mouth. I feel like it's very hard to
promote yourself in person but I feel like it's actually the most
effective. Ironically my brother is
actually much better at marketing my podcast and I am I
start he's gone all his friends to listen to it and I'm just
like oh no people it's embarrassing enough people that
you know will listen to your podcast.
But those are the people who will like your post, who will
share your stuff who will get the word out.
It's those people who, you know, are loyal to you.
And We'll help you out. If you if you want to do like a
sound, the alarms, like call to action type of poster, the ones
who will share their the ones who will also let their friends
know. So, it's very important to also,
remember where you come from and also we were friends are the
long run, and that's a tough thing, isn't it?
It's like getting that, that reach out further Beyond.
And I think with regards to places like networks and things,
do you think for example, You're not seriously, you're very much
kind of involved in creating some very groovy shows.
Do you think that networks is the way to go to also kind of
cloy together so that we're not just that one woman band kind of
doing everything. What are your thoughts on
networks and developing? That way I do think like
networks, I feel as though a lot of people kind of put all of
their eggs in one basket sometimes like so networks
aren't the only thing I would say like it's kind of like you
have to be, you have to be Enough to kind of see the
different places where you can, you know, see where your
audience is, and sometimes it's in places.
You don't expect the network is very important, not just
because, you know, it's good business practice, but it's also
just a really wonderful because these are people who are as
enthusiastic about your work, sometimes more enthusiastic than
you yourself. And it's wonderful to get that.
Even if let's say you don't see like a boosted numbers for
example, getting feedback like Like that is so important.
Like people who say, if you're not sure how good your stuff is
and other people who are in this space telling you, it is good,
makes you keep going. And when you keep going, that's
when you start Gathering more of an audience.
So I think it's like it's important, it's not the only
important thing, but it is like wonderful to have brilliant.
Thank you. And I think for me it's that
whole thing of the fine line between spamming and putting
your publicity out there Floyd Some good tips that you've got
that helped to get your show out there but you know, I'm just too
much in the environments. People get annoyed with you.
I have a good tips. I'm I struggle, I really
struggle same. I've never felt that I know
where to look and that it is. That thing of, where do you find
people who like to listen to podcasts as against other
podcasters and I tell you something that Gave me great
comfort was a was it at the Pod Fest or was maybe some other
webinar podcast Little Anthony recently and someone so many
really experienced podcast a very successful millions of
listeners. Whatever was asked a question.
He said, keep going for four years right?
And I thought okay, I've only got two together then Cebu.
Establishing that it is a connection.
Yeah. Really establishing yourself as
sort of like the doing something for what is it the thing about
doing something for 10,000 try. So yeah.
Yeah that whole Theory yeah something like that but also I
have found a picked up the odd new listener from the Facebook
groups can buzzsprout, which is my hosting, and that's a great
community on Facebook. Yeah.
And and the audio Ooo drama her bra.
You know, they're my them. I to faves.
Where I there were, that's where I live my Facebook.
Pretty much brilliant. Places to be.
That's interesting, as well. You mentioned your network as
well as the host. Yeah.
So that's apart from that, no ideas, just keep plodding, on
applauding on. That's what we need to get my
son. Yeah, I think actually a place I
suggested some people is some Tumblr.
There is if you all No, the podcast, Welcome to Night Vale
and the manages archives and all that.
I feel as though Legend. Yeah.
They I feel as though a lot of their bigger like the size of
like you know, size of their kind of following came from
Tumblr because on Tumblr there's a lot of really fun discussions
around like things like you can gather around fandoms and that
sort of thing. And we found a lot of Engagement
for our own podcast on. Blur again, it's not the only
place. It's similar to read it, but
there is an additional aspect of it's, one of the only popular
microblogging spaces left. What are you can add photos
videos, you can make long posts rather than little short ones on
Twitter and I feel as though, in that sort of way.
A lot of authors like to be on Tumblr because you can have a
proper discussion and not just those little, you know, little
like tweets of two 80 characters, you can actually
have a full Blog post and people can engage with you in the most
good faith. Way online.
Brilliant. Thank you.
I just wanted to say I wholeheartedly agree with you
but I will be following you on Tumblr because I'm just going to
sit and lurk and watch how you do it because I have a Tumblr
account. I've had a Tumblr account for a
really long time and I'm still never quite gotten the hang of
it. So we need Tumblr lessons from
people, basically, I think we do need to have some.
Yes and Some people that are specific to Audio Drama, giving
us some some good sessions on these specific places to try and
be a bad rep. Publicizing comes absence.
Yeah, I've been there for 10 years so I can give some
blossoms so you've got like more than double the four years so
you like well-established Georgia, you've had your hand
raised. Yeah one of the issues though is
like my main job is marketing and Communications.
So by the time I'm done with the last thing you want to do.
I don't want to Market or communicate and make sense.
Yeah. And one of my side gigs is host
for attached. Oh yeah, I don't want to chat
with anybody because on a weekly basis.
I have to get up and do an hour-long, got something, smart
intellectual and informed, and I'm actually a bowl of pudding
about afterwards and and I'm a bowl of pudding before and they
can be hungry. But the other thing is knowing
who your audience is and it's very hard because audio, dramas
are passion projects. I love the time.
Who knows what kind of weirdness is going to connect you to
someone else that you personally don't know, who could be a whole
damned world away. And then there's questions of
identity of who they expect to create certain things because
fast track to 40, I'm black. People, don't connect with that
as a black project, it's not black.
There's nothing Urban nobody gets into a gunfight, there's
no, there's no issues of child paternity.
Well, there is, but it's not bad.
There's no baby. Daddy is never in a line of
dialogue. There's no slurs, there's no,
because very little things that are black sure.
Because to me black identity as other people conceive of, it has
no Relevancy to me because I'm black and how I do black is my
own business. And how I create characters that
are black or white. In this case, in many of these
cases there, this is a very mixed group that has far more to
do with the people that I've based them on.
Then what someone over there has decided fit these roles so the
difficulty in finding an audience for mine, as I've told
people, it's not just because it's three women, I don't know
what 31 would do, I know what my three women would do.
And I don't know what a black Audio Drama is, I've listened to
things that you've defined as black Audio Drama, and all they
have is just black characters. I don't know what's black about
the circumstances, just doing sounds like Universal but
finding Community when people are looking for a hardcore
definition that suits them. Is very difficult.
Yeah, and I don't want people because I know I'm struggling
with it. I've, it's been out for a year.
I'm working on season two and to my mind.
Now, everybody who's listened to it, we'll talk about it and
like, that's liked it. But the problem is, is that when
you're also dealing with marginalized groups, they're not
very used to sharing, are they okay?
There's they don't run around going.
Oh, I Listen to this and its really spoke to me because I
just go. Oh yeah.
I like these really good and we're done and see.
Bye. So we need to encourage that.
Yeah. And to become part of expound on
it, I did a reading just yesterday for somebody and I and
it went great. It's record.
I did it whole edited video and everything for a personal
project. And I thought it was very funny.
But for him it was first thing because he does understand it.
He's a creative artist and they had, he had a lot of people on
his share that was like that was really Great love doing and
everybody who words Mutual that we knew also sign up on my post
where I tagged him and they loved it.
And there's he was the only share just and he was the only
comment and I often think that people are afraid to speak up
and say I really liked it when they are not used to having
their voice heard and it's one of the things as I look around
in his group I see a lot of people who are not normally
heard in these spaces. This is still an overwhelmingly,
white overwhelmingly. Male overwhelmingly sis media
mall, and that's just the way it is, but it's it's a curious
thing in it and, and I'm dealing with it.
I just want to speak out for people who are having that
problem of saying, I see you, Angela saying this is my shit.
It is good shit. I like it.
I think you're going to like it too and keep Pushing on it.
So that's what I wanted to say. Thank you.
I love it and I think I'd wholeheartedly agree.
You know, people are very quick to say they don't like
something. But so slow in saying when it's
good, it's good. Yeah, from your bone, damn it,
I'm looking for approval, I'm an artist.
One of the things that I think we all can afford to do as
creatives, something that I do when I'm in, if I'm in a bad
mood and I feel like I need a lift, what I do is I go on
Twitter. Enter and find the podcast,
like, a podcast that I've listened to recently that I
enjoy. Yeah, doesn't matter how much I
enjoy it. As long as I don't hate it and
go find their Twitter account, find their Twitter handle and
then put up a post saying, I just listened to, you know,
whatever fly fishing in New Zealand and, you know, and at
them and Everything and be like, I just listened to fly fishing
in New Zealand. And you know what?
It was really enjoyable because and say, like one thing that's
memorable and specific about it. Like, I really enjoyed in the
third episode when they were eating Reese's Pieces because
you don't often have that in a podcast.
And to me, it really resonated and reminded me of my childhood
thanks fly fishing in New Zealand for being such a great
podcast because it gives them exactly.
Yep. It gives them a little and then,
usually, what They do is they give you a like they give you or
retweet, they and they get a little nugget that they can put
on their PR and it cheers me up to do that.
So I expect nothing more. As long as I expect nothing more
than like, it's going to cheer me up to do something, nice for
somebody where artists were used to living on Tiny scraps.
Yeah, it's the equivalent of throwing a penny in a fountain
but it still makes me, it makes me feel good to do it and I wish
more people did. It makes a difference yeah yeah
and I know people are anchored for reviews day Tuesday to come
back to the Audio Drama Hub where people can share their own
thoughts on other shows on that. So if you are on the Facebook
Audio Drama have group pop your reviews on a Tuesday on there.
Floyd if you want to add to the conversation.
Yes I just remembered and that's great.
What George was saying, I'm sort of inner applauding quietly all
the time. But I remembered Mastodon, you
know, when a few months ago, people were saying, leave
Twitter, get to Mastodon. So, I did and I found pod Vibes
dotco and that has been really terrific for people finding
other podcasters, and having people boosting my post on and
on and, and commenting and picking up at least two
listeners for that. So that's a fantastic percent.
To my Brave. Thank you.
It's another place to be. Isn't it great?
Yeah groovy yeah. Exactly.
Yeah. Brilliant and Angela.
Yeah yes I just wanted to bring up the fact I love.
How were talking about audience now and I do think I know we're
saying, like for us it's instinctual to be like, oh we
love the show. I'm going to talk about the
show. I'm going to follow the show.
I'm going to share the show but I do think for the audience,
it's not that obvious, yet for them, you know, it's still kind
of for audio dramas. It's still a very passive hobby
for picking on. You just listen to that while R
doing chores when you're doing work.
It's a passive activity for them.
So they're not thinking about like oh I finish this episode.
I got to go share it. I got to write a review, its
passive for them, so we need to really bring it.
Make it less passive, making more active and being like, hey,
it's so important if you guys can, you know, whatever
YouTubers say like share and subscribe.
Comment subscribe. Yeah, exactly.
You think after like 10 years of YouTube we would all have you
have this ingrained in our head but it's still not there yet we
see we do have to be Very in your, in their faces about it
and being like hi. And everyone's a bit shy about
doing it out. Yeah.
No, I agree. We need to be better at putting
ourselves for. Yeah.
I mean And every every week I and what drives us with don't
forget to hit like and hit subscribe because you're like
still the algorithm that this is pretty good content and it
should share it with other people who are interested in the
same things. And yet I don't do it that much
myself. But yes, it like it, subscribe
all the thing Mission ladies. Every single one of us, this do
what it, what do you call it? I don't know what Tick-Tock
terminology, but everything, let's just get on that bandwagon
and share. Because what you're creating is,
fantastic and should be heard Across the Universe.
I'm Chrissy and add to the conversation.
Yeah, you know, we were talking about, like, specific audiences
or what audiences expect when you present something out there.
And I think as women in general there's an expectation of what
our content will be. I have faced that my entire
career and what I am hitting and I would love to hear what
everybody here in this group has to say about this.
When I go for On subreddit now, subreddit is very that.
There's a lot of people asking, hey, I like such and such show,
give me some shows that are like this, and I don't fit into any
of those cops. And I don't know if, when I tell
them, I'm a comedy that people shut down because they have in
their mind, what a comedy must be or whatever.
But it's very frustrating to see people wanting a comp and then
they really what they want, is the show.
That they love to do more episodes.
Yeah, they don't want a new show, they're like, I just love
this show so much, Gimme More. Gimme, gimme, gimme.
I would be curious. How, you know, I have not found
comps that speak to people. So, like, ladies here, what
would you do for that? Oh yeah.
I'll try. I'll try to answer Chrissy's,
question a little bit and then, like, kind of go into it.
Well, unfortunately, for us, we do actually do the exact thing
where they're like, oh, we want something similar to this show
and we have gotten it down to us.
Science which Big Show's we are similar to so that we can
immediately jump in and be like no more like this show or like
that show. And I feel like it kind of fits
into the idea that everyone has the advantage as was said
before. I don't have too much shame.
I have like, you know, compassion empathy for my
audience and to be fair to my audience, but I don't have any
shame. So if somebody says, I would
like to listen to a podcast like this.
I've like yeah. We're like that.
Or like, we're like that. And they can go in and If they
think well, it's not that similar, but I like it.
You know, that's kind of like it's the nice.
It's a very you get them in the door essentially.
Yeah. It's a Gateway in TV and movies
is called comparables comparable.
Exactly. Exactly.
Yeah. Oh, no.
I know that it that's the trouble is that I haven't found
any other podcasts that I can really comp to.
So, I do try to try to like, oh, well, I'm kinda like I have this
genre or, you know, I try to find those in.
Don't, don't bother with Don't bother with just looking at
podcast because one of the ways I explain fast track to 40 is
Imagine Sex in the City and The Golden Girls.
But yeah, like and and by that, I mean, you're talking about
women who aren't worried about their shoes and it's not sex
with different guys as the big issue and they're not old
because we have a really weird relationship with age in in
Western culture where I think we're supposed to die at 28 and
be reborn. I don't understand you.
I'm not planning to. Yeah, I plant.
You know, 28 is literally just you just managed to be able to
drink shut up, stop whining. And so and fast track to 40 was
born out of that. So, I don't have a podcast
comparable. I do have TV comparables, and if
you are a fan of the goal, Girls, you're probably going to
love Penny because she is a sex therapist podcaster who is
polyamorous and proud of it. And she wants to have a baby
that's her 40, that's her big, 40 thing and if you like nerdy
people you're going to like the character I play.
And absolutely she is nothing like the you know, already
because she wants to game and she doesn't want to be around
people and she wants to be cranky and bitchy and she just
wants to sit at home and write shit.
And why do I have to date to do the stupid rom-com?
I don't know what I'm doing hanging.
I love her like yeah, that's how it feels because and that way
take it out of podcasting. If you're not finding your
comparables pull what you really are inspired by because you've
consumed something that made you jiggle like a little thing moose
in the back of your brain. And it said, I have a story.
Let me get the yeah like in and inspired by similar.
To that sort of thing. And also, I feel like you can
also go. You can tailor your description
to the people. You the audience, you're looking
at. If I know somebody who likes
horror, I say, oh, this is they said it was my for my audience
said, it was scary, you know, like the BBC sound says it was
powerfully written. Like that's what I tell them.
Whereas if somebody's looking for a podcast, it's full of
queer characters and like, oh, it's full of queer characters
and I always jump. Like, it's always a different
description at that. Depending on who I'm talking to,
or who, the general audience of who I'm talking to and what they
would pacifically enjoy. And you know, you don't have to
pigeonhole your podcast into a certain number of keywords.
You just have to look at the audience.
What do you think? They'd enjoy and start like,
describing based on that? Even if it's just a character or
if it's not like a drama, you can be like, oh we go into this
topic. We went into this topic last
week and this is what we talked about and somebody's like, Oh, I
like that topic. I'll go listen.
And then if they like you personally, they'll start
listening to other topics that's outside of their, you know,
interests and that's how I that's how I am Discovery
YouTubers. And that's how I discovered
podcasters when they and when they address a topic that I'd
know and then I like them enough that I start looking at the
topics, I don't know, but because I like them a listen.
Anyway, so that's been pretty fun for me.
I have to say, there isn't a resource called re phonic.com,
which I don't know if you found which if you type in your
podcast into It gives you this whole beautiful graphic of Rock
shows that are in the same kind of Ballpark and share some
aspect of their podcast with yours.
So I will put the link and I'll send it to you folks.
If you haven't found it yet we phonic.
It's called and yeah, it's a beautiful graphic.
It kind of is This spiraling thing of like all the podcast
start in these kind of tendrils and you can see what's
potentially in your ballpark as a resource as well and perhaps
linked with some of those folks. So I know we've mentioned as
well. So far as well working as a
female creative and you know, there there are enough of us
really well there. Really, I mean, let's face it.
The fact that, you know, we've been able to do the things we
have done have perhaps certain economic social and also
self-confident kind of Foundations shall we say?
But yeah Tina come to you first why do you think that?
That there aren't perhaps as many female shoka showrunners
and what can we do to help encourage folks to just jump in
and have as much fun as we are. Oh, geez, you had asked me this
one, I like yeah, you know, I don't know, I think I'm a little
spoiled with my bubble because I feel like I know several but I
just maybe because of the the like George was saying earlier
the And of it's a bunch of white guys.
Like we say podcast and they're like, I'm sorry, what you guys
just sit around it so they don't really have, the knowledge would
be of what it is because it's still such a new medium.
It's not mainstream necessarily, unless you are familiar with it
already. So, it's not a medium that like,
your average author or Creator is going to know that it exists
to make that a platform for telling their story.
And the I don't know the answer on how to encourage more Except
for maybe doing things like this, like events and things
like that, that are centered. I guess the ones around
podcasts, but just maybe like, fiction in general, or like,
talk about it. Like, it's a thing that
everybody else already listens to.
And that, you know, I know it's not exactly a low barrier of
Entry because there's a lot that, you know, goes into making
a show. But I mean, if you're already
creating a work anyway, you're ready to put in some of the work
and things like that. So, maybe going, hey, this You
can maybe tell your story This Way in a way that you couldn't,
if you're trying to make it a film or if you're writing a book
and if somebody realizes that that's an option, A might be,
might be the way they want to go and it might not.
But yeah, I mean, I think as well, there's so much to be said
for making up each other, right? And I for one will for sure be
throwing out about your shows this week, and I wonder do, we
need like a women Centric? Hashtag to start with, you know,
I mean, does it need that kind of Of enveloping and sharing
out. And I don't know Angela.
Any thoughts on what else we could do?
Oh I mean I also think just coming from having experience of
being of working in a network and also having my own it's also
very important to look at other mediums and see how like I said
I mentioned you to before but it's also like how our network
podcast shows doing it, you know, like Realm is Like
everyone else also doing cross promotions.
They're also doing everything and anything.
They can on social media to see what sticks and what lands.
But it's also it's I think is it like what Georgia said as well?
It's like we can't just look at podcasts alone, we have to see
you know like what books are doing, what movies are doing,
what Comics are doing and just learn from every industry we can
and yeah. See what?
See why Working for this industry and not for us and to
figure that equation out. So we can make everything work.
Perfectly brilliant Lindsay. Any thoughts from you on that?
I would like to see more things like eleventh hour.
Or audio? Yeah. 24 hours and 20.
That's exactly the one I was thinking of both absolutely fun.
Yeah, that that are female identified Centric.
I would like to see a way that how do we get the best of the
best podcasters together with the people who are early career
and say, okay, let's let's make this happen.
Let's do a 10-minute festival or a lets you know, let's let's
build this together and wrap it around something like
International women's day or the Fourth of July, or Arbor Day or
whatever you want to do Pancake Day pancake, this, especially
and have something where people can get into the.
You can't sort of The the potato chip theory that you can't eat
just one thing and have it be like, you know, we're going to
end, you know, tie it in with things that have really strong
Community engagement like Ravelry, which is for Knitters
night. You know, do something that
basically lets everybody contribute, what they can
without being overwhelmed to make something bigger?
Because I think that for that women in general are already
overwhelmed because we do so much of the caregiving in our
Relationships. And that isn't limited to
heterosexual cisgender women, we're all kind of doing our part
and we end up doing more than we end up doing so much that it's
going to affect our ability to make our art.
And I think it would be good if we had something where we can
all sort of go, okay? Look, let's all pull each other
up a little bit. But also Market this in a way
that we're saying to people, Podcasting podcasts are for
people like you. Yeah, there are people like you
in here. It's not just a bunch of guys
sitting around giant microphones with giant headphones going.
Yes. So anyway brought to you by man
escapes us. I'd like to thank the way from
that a little. Yeah.
But see your hands beautifully raise?
Yeah, I think like there's an alternative thing.
So I mean we need that for sure. We need something where a lot of
women can like feel connected to a community.
That's way bigger than it is. I think also as somebody who's
done work for, let's say for by POC and queer content, there is
the opposite thing which I think is super fun and I think it's
going to sound very it's going to sound evil almost but it's a
promise, it's wonderful, so exciting.
That's because evil music underneath way more evil for
good. Exactly quite a few things that
I've done like in comics and stuff but basically it's kind of
the How to describe it like the stealth stealth stealth
insertion of representation is how I do it.
So, so obviously there's the side where we have to make sure
everyone knows this is women-led this is, you know, this is by
POC and like you know, includes queer inclusive and so that
people of those spaces know that you are welcome but there's the
opposite as well. There are people who in a lot of
spaces, will immediately write something off if they see the
word. If they see the word vibe off of
this, even work we're and that's just a reality.
It's terrible, but it's real. And what I like to do is I like
to take other words like it's a horror, it's analog data log
Horrors, a big thing on YouTube, for example.
What do they mean by analog? I'm really curious.
What is analog style, I guess like you're trying to, you know,
like in your we're trying to like give this work.
Make it seem like it was shot on a VH like it's on a VHS.
Oh okay. I get it.
It's like using the tape recorder.
Yeah. Okay, I got it.
Yeah, you're trying to. Yeah.
Trying to like, you know, emulate, the older style shirt,
make it feel a little older, right?
That's become really big on YouTube and how you do it, is
that you take those terminology, you put it in people who are
interested in that, come in and like loops and they really like
it. It just so happens that it's
being done by people who are queer by pop, women shirt Etc.
And so at that point, you have gotten them in and then you kind
of like start, you know, and then use that you keep making
your stuff. And they're like, wow, I love
these creators. Let me see what creators they
are. Recommending.
And of course, the creators are recommending our other women
other white people in the event, hawks face, other queer people,
and so on, and that's kind of like, it's there.
There is such a immediate. What's the word?
Knee-jerk reaction, to certain words that people have?
And a lot of people are, unfortunately, very prone to
reactionary politics. However, these people who are
very perfectly centered. Are also prone to other to
leftist politics. And like, I didn't get into
politics a little bit like rough, but essentially, when
they realize, when they like something and they get onto it
on their own, they start, you know, absorbing like, oh, I do
like these shows by women. I will listen to more shows that
they recommend that sort of thing and it's almost the
opposite, but still a positive thing because you welcome people
into this community that is essentially trying to, you know,
support each other. And to be kind to each other,
trying to, you know, show that acceptance is also like is part
and parcel of having such an amazing story.
Amazing Stories, amazing things that you can enjoy while also
doing something good and I feel like we need both of those.
We need one side where we put it front and center that we are,
you know, of these marginalized communities.
So people were marginalized feel welcome.
But then we also have one where it's stealthing in their kind of
Like not to use that word but like, you know, yeah, drip face
- and I think it's happened with some people that I follow like,
on YouTube. Like some big YouTubers, do that
and it's very helpful for like a large community.
That's what my thought. I think that's really brilliant.
And the other thing that I think he wants his, it's interesting.
How keyword sensitive we've become like in terms of
thinking, like, okay, just to give you an idea.
Oh God, I just you're so cool and I really want to hug you,
because you and I are both coming at the same thing from
two, completely different perspectives.
Because for me, when I was learning how to Market theater
in the Philadelphia Fringe Festival in like 2000, just to
give you an idea like that's how long ago.
This was it was what does your show do?
Not, who are you? What did your show do for the
audience? Oh so it's like if you say
instead of saying like I am a instead of me saying I'm a queer
cisgender woman with ADD who is creating a show about whatever I
lead with the it's a bank heist. Or it's a mother-daughter been
kite. Let's write that I want to be in
that. Yeah, and it's like you and I
are both doing the exact same thing.
We're just coming at it from like these two different
perspectives. And the thing that's really
interesting is how keyword sensitive our brains have
become. In terms of how we Market our
stuff, you need a linchpin. They so interested pin to kind
of drag you in, and then then you see ya, the SEO brain
unfortunately, but that's what they're looking for a new show.
Sitting here saying I'm in the mood for analog her or I'm in
the mood for something with a strong female lead.
I'm in the mood for whatever I mean and they type it in because
they know that keywords work and keep Puttin and Chrissy, you've
had your hand up. Well, that really kind of hit
home for me with as far as identity and our work.
Is that what I started? So when I was in college a long
time ago, they were very much about if you're a woman, you
have Have only certain things. You are supposed to write, you
have to write for the woman's experience.
You are, you have a platform for women.
So you need to find agenda that are women positive?
And I'm just like, I just want people to laugh.
I just want to write a comedy and I got to the point where my
first work that I produced on stage, and it's sadly too sad or
not, but it the compliment. I got was, who's the guy that
wrote? And I.
I was like okay so they believe that good comedy.
It must be a male writer. And for my first years in
Hollywood which had been the late 90s, I was Chris right.
I wasn't Chrissy. All of my spec script said Chris
and I wanted you to sneak in the door where they just loved the
writing and didn't judge it on. Oh well this is going to be a
story about a woman and she's gonna do stuff and and that's I
think. The hard place to come out now.
Like I just want, be be funny. I think everybody can enjoy just
my comedy. I don't want to to be identified
like okay this is a woman's comedy, you know?
And and that'll put that said the same time.
We still need to uplift each other and we need to need to say
like I'm looking like on on the Facebook post that you put all
these men were coming on there saying look I have female leads.
Look at me. I have a female lead I'm like
but where The female creators doing female leads, yes.
So it's this weird kind of in between?
Yes, yes, yes and underscored. Yes, I mean, that's the thing,
isn't it? And there, you know, we looked
outside broadcasting as well and the amount of female authors
there are, who are using male names, and I'm sure you can
think of many and just to get that kind of mini that Traction
in the, yeah, you're absolutely right.
And it's frustrating. As now me what drives you then
to create as a woman, what helps you To just get your story out
there. Floyd.
Let's start with you. Yeah, it's, I don't sort of
think, first and foremost, I'm a woman.
And therefore, what do I want to get out there?
I just think, what do I want to say?
You know, what do I, what do I care about?
And what do I want other people to care about?
And it's that thing, you know, it's the same when you, you
know, working with actors and persuading them that, you know,
the way to engage your audience is too, From the perspective of
the character, you're playing want people listening to see the
world the way you see it? Because that's what people does
were humans and we all that's that's how how we function we
all want other. Everybody else to understand
things, the way we understand them.
And and then, but then as a writer that, I mean, that's the
thing that I just adore about writing is that you get to take
on other people's perspectives and then they have conversations
with each. Each other and they're trying to
engage and draw the other the other into and by doing that
you're hoping that somebody out there in the same way back in
the day when I was working in theater and you taking a show
touring and around to little community centers and
Churchill's all around the countryside and you just hoping
that offer, you know, maybe 20 or so people from the local
community of come in. They'll be one who come up to
you afterwards and saying, thank you so much.
You know, that what that person said, that meant something to
me. So that's, that's that's why I
do it. I want that, that feeling
that's, and I and yeah for. Yeah.
But the, the thing about can't remember who was saying it now
but what, you know, working in theater and promoting you your
theatrical work. And and that is the thing that
we never had a work with a partner who I would say I want
to do this play and she would say right, okay, good.
Yeah, right. I'll try and get you some
funding. Let's do it.
And why why this play now. And she would just not let go of
me until I could write down. You know, a few paragraphs to
just say why? Why if a Janaya in towers for
example by Goethe In Glasgow, in 1996 or five, whatever it was.
Why is that relevant? And I just wanted to do it
because was fantastic script and a great story, and humanists and
philosophy and all of this. And then I thought, okay, what
are the here in NZ need to collide and then and then so as
you know, went back to her and I said well because it's about
Croatia which was blowing up at the time I'm and for why because
of Family Feud's going on through generations, violence,
somebody's got to step up and say as if a gene I said, I will
not kill that man enough of the violence.
So there's a real there are. There always is a reason you can
always justify. You know.
I can justify what I'm doing but that's interesting, isn't it?
Yeah. Have you as a listener right now
Justified to yourself, what is the point of your Because if you
haven't asked yourself, that question and see if that will
lead you to two other avenues of and I think just brilliant if I
can just go on a bit that the fact that when you start with
your podcast and you looking out and you're looking for your
audience and you looking for advice and everybody, all the
advice out there is what is your Niche find your Niche?
What is your genre and and I'm going don't have one don't have
one, it's a genre. No, it's a new one.
It's a, it's a thing, it's kind of funny, but it's not that
funny, it's mildly amusing, is that the Q and A, I think you
are not got to get together and talk a good.
I think you're not going to get together and talk because
there's so many people who want to like the Cozy, the Cozy
Thursday Murder Club, those books, those Thursday, Murder
Club books. Oh God, this, I don't think but
I don't care, but that's your audience and that guy's making
money hand over fist. I mean there's so many people
who say oh I just Old lady who lives in a cabin by the sea with
her cats and solves Mysteries. And I like that's that's your
audience. I didn't, we gotta, you know,
that down one of these days of hammers.
Okay, we can Hammer some stuff out, but if I can just tell you
that the the people that I do know who are my audience, they
range in age from teenagers to my age and everything in
between, so I don't, I don't know.
A lot of, I mean there are people are, you know, I got two
or three things friends of my generation who are listening,
but I don't think they're the majority of the people who are
listening but I will definitely take on board what you're
saying. And if I can find them and, you
know, get them to hear it. They like it.
I'm done. I'm not gonna complain going on
an audience hunt. Yes this is the hard thing.
Isn't it to get that answer? Stay in the audience to you.
Right. I think that's the Other thing
is to keep them coming back for more.
Has anyone got any slices of the sausage?
I know I said that for bringing in just Congress, I think
because putting was mentioned earlier.
And but yeah I just think that what are the things that we can
love people back with, how do you keep that audience coming
back for more? Once you've kind of been found
by a certain group, Georgia is of anything you want to share
with us on them. Can gently divert a little bit
because the thing with spaces that are good for women, this
that we have to pull together to actually Elevate us overall,
that's why they need to happen. And yes, we can have Open Spaces
where we have a larger amount of people.
But for those of us who simply can't hide in public, we can't
hide our oven has in public and open space.
This is not a safe space, it's not a great space.
Sure and might the tendency and this is audience, retention 101
is a people want the same experience over and over again.
Not just the exact same specific thing but the same result from
that experience. That's what people chase when
they are on drugs. They chase that first high.
They never get that high again, but that's the Insidious nature
of addiction and Whether or not we understand it or even want to
admit it, I'm always very comfortable admitting some of
the uglier sides of human behavior and how we use it in
marketing and Communications is that we do want to kind of
develop the feeling that you're going to return and get a lot of
the same experience that you started off with when you when
you started this podcast. So you have to look at the
consistency. See of what you're writing.
There's, there's technical aspects to what you do.
So whether or not I want to admit, it's the beats per
minute. When you are writing your
script, do you have, do you understand how to write out a
beach sheet for your jokes, if you're doing a comedy podcast,
do you understand where your scares are coming from?
If you're doing hard, what's happening in the scene that
pushes along the same Lines where the person listening to
it? Do you manage to maintain a
level of tension? If you are creating a low?
Does it benefit the next episode?
Where hopefully, they'll tune in and you get that a up again, how
are you maintaining the, I hate to say this because it has such
a negative connotation. But how are you maintaining a
similar level of experience throughout the life of your Your
podcast quick question doesn't. So that's the question you need
to answer. That's I mean that's consistency
and but what is consistency means, he floated in what are
well to me, it's consistency of quality of what you're doing
which is what George is talking about, you know, good writing,
good rot, what, what is good about.
It's good because it works, you know, and if you can hit that
level of expertise and you keep doing it and hopefully get
better at it as Go, I think that's, that's it really, is the
only way to keep people coming along.
It's like cooking. You know if you if you if you if
your food is always tasty but doesn't mean you says the same
recipe every time, you know. But you know how to put the
ingredients together to make it work.
I just I've just remembered something.
This is a by the by but I have a one of the young actors who
works on my podcast for me, when I I realized that he was
listening to it as well. He's in his early 20s and I know
you're listening to because I'm listening to it, I'm enjoying
it. Yeah, he says, I get at least
one smile out of it every episode and I thought that's it.
That's what, that's, that's my marketing it.
So if you go well, get one smile out of every episode so I have
to go through each each 10-minute script and make sure
I've got at least one decent. You know, halfway sort of oh yes
my love that. That's That's what I am full of
it and that reminds me of the spike Milligan, poem, pass it on
across the world. Yeah, brilliant.
Thank you, Angela? Yes.
I do think everyone's butt up.
Great points. I do want to say it's not just
consistency, though. It's also growth that we also
should be aware of like my season one I had at most three
voice actors. Now and there's like eight
minutes long Max. And now we're like reaching 15
minutes. Both like eight ways actors and
one episode and it's just like it's understanding if your
growth and your consistency and how you can always push ahead to
then bring new audiences or a lot has back in, you know,
because of how much growth we've done there.
I unfortunately have to take a bigger break in between Seasons.
So now I'm also like thinking about the audience, like, oh,
it's been almost a year since we've pushed that something.
So, it's like, okay, we gotta do, you know, maybe a season to
recap of what's happened. So, you know, we have new music,
we have new voice actors, do it. Possesses a lot of things up now
because of that, and it's just, like, you knew new ways to use
old content to get more people back into it again, you know,
like to get them as excited as I am to get this season out.
Yes, yes. Yes.
And multi, you've got your hand raising it for the audience.
But portion, I do want to add like there is something that I
do that. Some people could do, especially
if you have a team, although it is kind of difficult to balance.
I have a Discord server and that has its pros and cons the
Discord sir. It is for people to hang out in
and we have, like, almost a hundred people in that this
court server, but only about maybe eight to ten people who
are consistently commenting in it.
Yeah, however, it is a, is a continuous like Community.
Like this is the community that, oh, there's a new episode we're
coming in. Oh, we'd love to talk about, you
know, every now and then, they come in to chat about something
related to the podcast. That's Community.
The one downside to that is that it doesn't happen publicly.
So, obviously, people Well, don't see that there's an
Engaged Community for your podcast.
However, the upside is that not only can, you know, stay engage
with your community and make them feel a loyalty to your
podcast. There's also you can ask them
like, hey, can you guys share? Can you tell it?
Like, if you had, like, what's your thoughts on the podcast?
Can you share it in this review site that started like and and
at least one person will be like, oh absolutely, I'll do
that. Because a lot of people are
indeed shy to let you know how they feel.
But if they know the Peter is like this would really help us
out. They'll be like oh okay where
they've been given license to do that thing.
And that sort of relationship is wonderful to keep up if you can
keep it up. However obviously that does have
downsides it takes a lot of work to like keep up if you're not as
a very online, as I am a child, it might not be doable or like
stainable but it does help with some people who are afraid to do
these things publicly. Some people don't want to reveal
that they're into something and at this cord server in the very
least allows them to at least you know interact with you.
So that you know that this is the person who's listening even
if they can't post about it probably which is yeah a nice
thing to have that's beautiful but also a lot of work right to
be there. It's our Workforce system only
from your perspective and to help keep those conversations
going. So kudos to you for, you know,
having the time inclination and energy to do that on top.
Top of everything else, the possibility for some people.
If they wish to try that, try that.
This court is also like where all the other people are right
now, but, you know, issues, but demographics can help ya always
key and I, yeah, I wonder whether, you know, there are
generic places. I go to like the podcast Nexus
teams and there's a few audio fiction, generic groups which I
will put links to as well on the show notes which I dip into and
out of and my brain explodes because as a voice actor as
well, when people create I ate their own Discord servers.
I can't be present in everyone as actor or someone in there.
So yeah, it's about being all. So kind to yourself in thinking
where is the importance basis to be right?
And then that's the other thing I just want to address in this
course, Sarah can I can I make a quick suggestion for people as a
promotion thing. Okay.
So with the Fiction podcast, weekly, a reasonable portion of
people who subscribe to the Fiction podcast weekly are Who
their main interest is finding new podcast to listen to.
And then their next step is it's a little bit of like oh podcasts
are cool but they're not interested in making one
themselves or their podcasting professionals, who enjoy
listening to audio fiction. But they're, they're never going
to make their own. And one of the things that I
think makes a huge difference. For example, Travis ven graph,
does this thing where he does his dialogue assembly on Twitch
and YouTube live and you could stop by and say hi Travis you
can you know or but you know I mean you know, he's going to
ignore you because he's working, but he's talking the whole time.
It gives him a little bit of accountability because like, I
personally find dialog editing his rewarding for me, but it's
log. It's hard work.
And you really have to be paying attention and I would love
having an accountability partner.
I love it. It sit there and go.
Come on, you got to get it done. Okay, quick.
Froth or know you've been good. You worked really hard on this
episode. You go get a cookie now.
Okay I'll go get a cookie and stretch my legs, but if you have
behind-the-scenes content that you can put on the internet, do
it. Because if even if you're just
saying, okay, during our recording session today, this is
how many Kleenex I generated from clearing my throat because
I'm so sick or something like that.
That's quite gross. But yeah, it's quite
Disappointing. But it would be, you know, it
would be a great way. It's another angle.
Yeah. It humanizes our whole pod
casting process and I think that audiences need to see hey what
really happens behind the scenes here.
Yeah. Well talking of which that's
just a selfie, everyone. Give me a nice smile and
audience if your listing that's Duran, imagine picture of you.
Are you ready? 3 2, 1, smiling groovy.
But yeah, I think With regards to, you know, that whole thing
of the Quagmire and wading through and doing all of the
things wearing all of the Hat, I just wanted to adjust their
self-care aspect of what we do. And what do you do as a female
creative to be kind to yourself in this space that's up to
anybody's only one wants to start that red wine red.
Yeah like a relaxing thing. They're in my purse.
There will be a ringtone of floating red, wine and young,
something like that. Oh yeah, I just have one answer.
I guess I'm very bad at stopping myself from doing too much work,
right? As you can probably tell I do
animation Comics, writing, amazing.
But a big thing that I do do is I gave myself like hard rules
that Technically, nobody is enforcing except me for example,
for our, for our fundraiser, my hard rule, is that will not post
our fundraiser until we hit 45 50, but it's nice because it has
a heart like a hard end and I feel like that also goes for
maybe a schedule like, okay, do not be doing any work at this
time because you are not doing anything until this date like
those hard rules. They're very helpful to kind of
make give You the chance to opportunity like it permission
permission to just stop for a second and be like, oh, every
time now, I'll go do something with my free time.
Yes, that's nice. That's a way to kind of take
care of yourself because even if technically, you could be like,
well actually, I can release this entire act, three, even if
I've only hit one thousand dollars, that sort of thing, I
can do that just because you can doesn't mean you should.
So those Hardline Lake. And if you tell people this is
the rule. Yes, it's harder to go back on
it so that helps to like okay, I will not post this until 45 50,
that's my rule. And even though I could even
though I definitely can I want to?
Yeah, don't do it because you already told people, you can't
go back on that. Unless it's very important that
you do. That's good setting boundaries
and making sure you stick to them so that you can earn that
wine. Yeah, Chrissy.
And that's where all my shame is only shave my head.
I would like to build on the scheduling as far as make sure
your own deadlines are obtainable.
Give yourself plenty of time to get things done, but expect the
unexpected, you're actor, not turning their recordings in on
time, some sort of computer crash.
Oh my gosh, my car crashed. And now I have to spend three
days at the mechanic. Think about that?
I think if you're rushing to get your work out because you Want
to have it in a certain time frame, you've got to make sure
you've built in a cushion for life, because I'm gonna guess a
lot of people, especially starting out.
Myself included are not making a living on this.
So, this is my personal time not yet, not yet, but being able to,
to be okay with life getting in the way for a little while, so
you can go back to it. So and then, you know, going
back to our discussion about Justin C is having then that
consistency in your release. Yeah so people aren't all over
the road trying to figure out when am I going to hear from
this show? Again if you've planned your
production schedule out enough ahead of time, you can keep to
some semblance of a release schedule, so it's all that is
self care. That is making it not all be on
your shoulders in the 11th, Hour hundred percent and I think we
have had discussions on this show countless ones before
about, you know, get over the whole season.
Three-quarters of your season done before you start releasing
just to save yourself, the headache and the the mental
trauma because I've have seen so much burnout in this industry
over the last of seven years of people who are doing far too
much and just need to be kinder to themselves.
If that's you, please do and take heed of what these amazing
folks have been saying they had one last thing.
I'm so sorry. Please do no.
It's why you're here for, thank you.
Yes. So I actually listened to a
financial podcast called the financial diet and they have
helped me with self-care more than any other thing because
they they make self-care into sort of like as part of like
almost a business strategy in a way where it's like.
Yeah, it's wonderful because basically they tell you, this is
not self care like going in a bathtub doing this thing.
It's not self care. If you are not regimen Ting like
separating your work from you and having a proper boundaries
like self-care is have is like you know, when you're Gives you
like proper benefits a weekend. They respect your like these
regiments and like rules that give the allow you.
It's the name of this podcast, that's called the financial down
the financial diet and that's wonderful because they're like,
it's about respect. It's about respecting your time.
It's about like it's almost like, I've been in both
situations where I had a job where they thought that giving
us a pizza party with makeup for incompetence.
The station. The pizza party was real.
It's a parody, but it's also real.
Yeah, and then I've had a job where they don't give you pizza
parties or 13th month, bonus has, but they give you benefits
and established vacation time and they don't bother you on the
weekends and that is self-care. I just like a cuddle to be
honest. There's are both what they mean.
It's all wonderful. It's just not the point.
Like the point is that you have to have these Limits these
buttons proper boundaries, so that you can find what emotional
thing, yourself care will be in those boundaries, and that's
always like you cannot find yourself care.
If you don't have that respect for that boundary, my line for
that was pepperoni is not appreciated, he said pepperoni
is not panic so that's what he's only to be on t-shirts and not
been Georgia. You had some some creepy things
to say. Yeah, I mean, the other aspect
is all carry. Is actually meeting, you need
some for far too often. You really have to hit a wall
and crash to go. Oh, you know what I need?
I need to not be here any to not do this.
I need to not for a while saying, no and time that happens
with creative projects. I mean right now I'm a tad burnt
out because there was a lot of creativity that happened last
year. So I'm only pretty much doing
voiceovers and even then I'm not doing as much as I used to
because my job is actually pretty hectic right now, but it
was It took me a little bit to be like, okay I can't meet my
own self-imposed deadlines on the script I'm on season 2.
I've got my outline. I know where the characters are
going to go but I'm not feeling it to start the actual writing
process and taking that break. I've been working on wavy hot
now and God bless Courtney for letting me slack quite a bit on
my share of the writing for the third season but you know,
throwing in my scenes Air and focusing on that and enjoying.
I've been writing a wonderful eat.
We British quaint mystery. This is that EV B?
I'm you know I'm entranced by this fine.
Fine. None.
Who is solving crimes on her on her little Vespa.
Usually something like the budget or he's been broken into
in the prize, budgie was stolen for the festival.
Oh, dear not, you know, either way so saying no saying no, to
even yourself. And people may not like to hear
it getting a healthy amount of exercise, but eating right,
making an effort to take care of your physical body because you
have to live in it and when you don't feel good and especially
since for so many of us who found podcasting often comes out
of limitations, we have in the real world and trying to create
something that fits the the gigantic bold.
Massive, Phoenix of a creature trapped in your brain.
That is you. That's dealing with a body.
That's not quite living up to your expectations.
Thank you. You have to take care of that.
To take your meds, try to sleep, get a massage, cool.
And you know, just those are very key.
Critical parts of your creativity and let yourself have
the wonderful Joy of being very foolish.
Go out, be stupid. Take a Walk think funny strange,
thoughts that imagine that you are this or that are you a
turnip today? You could be you never every
day. Sometimes that just happens and
it does happen be it'd be foolish because one of the
biggest drawbacks to adult, creativity is adulthood.
Oh, I'm glad you said, yes. Yes, it's a terrible idea.
And I put my foot down on that before I became one because I
thought it was quite wrong and adults were very sick.
So I have grown much older but I never really bothered with
adulthood because I didn't see them as actually being an
improvement on who I was. So no to that absolutely holy
praise everything you've just said and my top tip is butt
crunches to a favorite song of your choice in the morning.
Three minutes non-stop. It's it's doing that every day,
okay, teach me that one. It's a new British breakfast
cereal, but crunches, crunches. The exercise to learn to
working, you know, don't tempt them.
Have you seen English actually? Mushy peas are really good and
it's because in the two main ingredients are butter and mint.
Yeah, it's not about peas and I believe I speak for the Jamaican
part of me. When I say, you're welcome for
the flavored food. Yeah, I think basically British
culture is, there's a guy who says it's sitting having an
Indian takeaway in front of American television with on a
Swedish soap and you don't raise all of that is nothing.
But I think I'd love to just finish with like breaking up
some other folks that we know of in the community multi if you've
got any one, you want to promote.
Absolutely. Unfortunately, I don't listen to
that many podcasts. However, I do want to mention
the financial diet. You do much better than me, but
they helped me a lot and it is about like, women in finance and
people who have not traditionally been able to get
into Finance, having making smart decisions.
And also, the other thing is, I'm Octavia Bray who did life
with Leo. Yeah, it's adorable.
It's, I love it so much. It's a romance between a lawyer,
human lawyer. And a an Android who's in love
with her. And I, it's just makes me so
happy and they're preparing for the next season and those are
the two. I just want to shout out, I
really am. Yeah thank you just on a great
fun fundraiser for that. Having a two-year super Floyd.
I anyone you want to share with us.
Yeah yeah listen I just found this one today so I thought I'd
mention it. I'm going to read out just a
bit. What it says on a Facebook page,
a name is Brenna Anderson High from Dowd.
Main writer actor, and director of this half-baked idea is a
feral Goblin cleverly disguised as a 1940s housewife.
She's got 30 years of experience of writing fiction, on material
under her belt. Anyway, the podcast is called
care and feeding of werewolves. And as I've only this listen,
it's just it's in there and it's just beautifully written and
performed. And it just Took me from the
trailer. Yes, excellent, thank you.
Well, I consume podcast like they are little great.
Yes, honestly, seeing here in my home or in my office.
Well and sometimes it's the both places and I literally go
through so many podcasts that I'm constantly out.
So I'm going to throw out a few people.
I'm going to second act a via brave because I do adore life
with Leo and Is there anything Ka stats can't right now?
That is scary. I adore her I'm devolve into
like fangirl isn't whenever she's around so sorry Travis
Shannon you know I love you you know I love all those nine.
Don't you so much? Shannon K for president.
Absolutely in a heartbeat and gosh, I've been eating.
I've been definitely listening to read too many because there's
so many, there's more coming. I'm editing some tonight so much
more and I love is spooky Tales, Christina and m.j.
So basically, if there's something, despite the fact that
I write comedy, I consume so much sci-fi and horror that
every so often I go, is this something quite wrong?
With you Georgian Patrice. Mackenzie what is wrong with
you? You do not need to hit that and
listen to one more scary thing but you know, I do a Spirit Box
radio. Yes, gloriously that's a babe
them non-binary trans masculine but I love that one.
And so there's so many great female creators out there but we
need more because so many of you have stories And looking forward
to more great. Thank you.
And I hope is a result of listening to these folks, you
do. And if you do tell us a quirky
voices at gmail.com and or hit us up on all the Twitter
podcast. Links, I'm going to put in the
show notes, Angela, who don't share, yes, I have to wrap my
other mythology gals out there. So I do have to recommend Echo
box which is a Greek mythology podcast as a Gossip Girl style.
So it's like XOXO Gossip Girl. My God And then there's also
Friday Night Fights which is in our turian, mythology, style
Audio Drama, which is absolutely hilarious.
I love it. It's basically like Arthur and
the Knights of the Round Table as like teenagers now and it's I
just died. And then of course, I actually
invited matze to this interviews or yeah, to the interview and I
obviously have to wrap her as well.
Hi, nigh. Yeah, anything.
And scary, all the above, you just gotta listen.
I'm just gonna jump on that last recommendation there.
Why should folks listen to her? And I, what about it worse ways?
It's so groovy. Oh, it's just so nice to be able
to have, you know, there's heart.
There's all kinds of horror, but like Asian horror.
We see it a lot in movie theaters, you know, the ring,
all kinds of, like, Japanese Chinese Korean stuff like that.
But, like Filipino horror, we have not seen yet, and it's
something like, We're missing out.
Yeah, there's so much to explore and all different cultures, and
countries and we have to have our ears open for these kinds of
things. Brilliant, that's how she
recommendation. Thank you.
We thought it wasn't scary until people started telling us like,
why didn't you tell us was scary?
And so that's like, that's how I like em.
Listen. They're like, no, it's too
scary. Like, that's that's awesome.
I'm actually, I'm sitting here. Reading through your show notes
right now and I'm just digging this didn't see.
It's your time to recommend if you got time.
Oh, I was going to say, Lindsay Sherman from long comedian cab,
everything. They touch is audio gold.
Yeah. And another person that I want
to want to recommend who is not in the audio fiction, realm or
anything, but Allegra Sinclair, who does a podcast called your
confidence self and its really it's meant more for women that
are business professionals that are, you know, it's about how I
think it's more about being confident in the work place and
being able to be like, yeah, I can make things happen.
I can reach my goals, but she, and I worked together and she's
always got something. She's just really good at no
matter. If she's one of these people who
like every time, she gives me like a little tidbit of
information, I have to write it down on a Post-It, note and
stick it to my desk and it gets to the point that Like I've just
got like a whole row of them and the, you know, she's just, she's
a lovely brilliant lady. So she's worth listening to
Stevie. Okay, yeah, but said those are
my big Rex, I think, and Chrissy.
Yeah, you know, I realize I'm looking at the audio dramas that
I do listen to it, they're all made by men and I read it went,
of course, Oz 9, which is already been recommended.
I met Shannon at podcast movement, last March, and I felt
like she was my long-lost girlfriend.
That we'd known each other our whole lives.
So I adore adore oz9 and I'm so happy to be in the cast now.
Yes. Um, how about I give you guys a
recommendation outside of the podcast world, but the OG audio
dramas, The New Adventures of Sherlock Holmes from 1939 to
1943, Edith. Miser was the only writer on
that show. She wrote every episode she was
forced out. The network wanted more
violence. So here she was trying to, to
keep to the intellectual side of Sherlock Holmes.
And they're like, no, we want more more blood so she got
pushed out, but I would highly recommend if you really want to
go. Oh, gee on your audio dramas
archive.org, you'll see them at archive.org.
Thank you. I'll put these links in the show
notes and Dana's back just in time.
Tina to tell us to closing the show, Almost would your top
recommendation might be for folks.
To listen to female our guys together.
So many this is this is going to sound like a cop out, but for
like a good entrance level sort of thing, I would go with
something like, girl in space, maybe they didn't.
More of like the well that I hate to say that but one of the
more well-known ones and it's much easier to start with
something like that. I think and then jump into like
some of the others just because it's the one that everybody
knows and it's I don't know. Words are not my friend today
but I do I usually go with one of those.
So I've been listening to that and the pilgrimage catching up
on that one. Amazing.
Whoops, thank you so much hardly for all of your recommendations
today and I'm for joining us and hopefully, you know, Oh, I
forgot Sarah and about Fiona thrill.
Well, known to fail is a fluent herself in a beautiful story,
teller. And yeah, this is podcast that
Bowser defeat of Glorious creative brain.
Yeah, I'm I know that she's writing some new amazing,
exciting things now, as well as doing production, managing on
some Wireless shows and producing things.
So there's all sorts of cool things happening.
So yes, use hearty hellos and congrats on being amazed. -
Fiona my partner in crime sometimes.
Yeah. Thank you.
So basically, I cannot say loudly and with enough Gaston,
if you have that story in, you do what every single person who
you've heard today is doing and be a part of that creating
whether it be on your own forming a team, getting
somebody's together or even asking Audio Drama Hub.
I want to make this but I don't want to do it on my own who's in
you. I'm sat and get some raised
hands and or any help from I'm sure any of the folks who have
been speaking today, if you need us, you'll find us, ask us
questions. And if we can help will, I'm
sure point you in the right direction.
So, last sentence from everybody will start with not serious, my
last get it get this in before the end of the podcast thing.
If on social media, if you want to show more of your stuff you
can always hire artists to do little things and collaborate.
With amazing artists from outside the podcast face.
That's always amazing as a visual artist and a podcaster.
The marriage of those two is going to be magical and also
just do the thing. It's great just do the thing.
We like to do the thing. Joe Joe Joe.
Joe, what did you got say your last sentence?
Well, thank you guys for being around here and don't forget to
listen to Fast. Track to 40, yes, on every
single stinkin podcast, possible outlet and you can follow all Us
and varieties of social media, I'm pretty sure Sarah is going
to have that in the show notes, Phillies last sentence from you.
That I'm still here. Still here not dead yet, as my
favorite line from Spamalot. And so, yeah, I've the, The
Adventures of Helen is a superhero A continuing and I'm
also about to launch myself into the, the land of Doing an
interview podcast. I've done my first one because I
had the idea of speaking to interesting.
People of my generation and about the life experience and
whatever. And I'm going to call it.
Are you old yet exciting? Thank you.
Something to look forward to Tina sentence to inspire them as
I'm going to say this because I am terrible at it, don't be
afraid to reach out. And talk to other creators.
Like, like we're doing right now.
Like, I don't think it besides Sarah.
I've not met any of you and I probably transition from like a
listener to a creative. Like, you guys are awesome.
I can't reach out and talk to you.
So I, I just I think that's something that maybe we should
all work on is to try to make those connections and talk to
people that we might think you're too cool to talk to us
because they're probably most definitely not.
I think we're pretty good. At least, you know, I am too.
I am too. Fine Chrissy, words of
grooviness I know. This gets said a lot, but just
do it. Because I think in a lot of
times we self-regulate and we tell ourselves, No One's Gonna
like this. Oh, I'm the only one who will
find this interesting and then you let other people give you
input. Oh, you should change this and
you should make it this way. Do your thing, your way if you
like it, and you feel confident about it, somebody else is going
to not only read that. Confidence and that.
Love that you're Brent putting out there, but they're gonna
like it too. They're gonna like it too.
So go out there and do it. I'm stress-eating Dash.
Thank you, Angela. Yes.
I do want to say there are tons of resources as well.
We've talked about, you know, people on Twitch editing dialog.
There's also table reads, you can join on disk or where you
just read scripts and have fun and voice Act without any like,
you don't have to record, you don't have to be in front of
people. It's totally chill.
It's totally fun. Another Discord Channel.
I'd like to recommend. Is the Audio Drama lab, that
Discord was specifically to created to help others, make
audio dramas. So there are resources out
there. You don't have to do this alone,
you in like, you know, I need kinds of money or like fancy
equipment to do this. You know, it's you got this.
Trust us. I can record even though the
phone. Absolutely.
And Lindsay. Everything is always going to
feel like there's something, it's always going to feel like,
I don't know, I don't know. It.
Then do it any Feel the fear and do it?
Anyway, do the thing dude. Do you do with your?
We're not just gonna feel the fair.
I'm gonna jump on it and spit it out and go get it.
But yeah, I really feel. I think, the more, the more fear
you're feeling the more you should sort of keep on going
because you're, you know, you're making something that you
haven't seen before. Well, I'm going to quote one of
my favorite lines Cosmo, no matter what you do.
You're gonna die. That's right.
And the truth of the matter is all your fears, all your
embarrass melt all of it. Yeah.
You're gonna die anyway. Yeah.
You don't have to live with this forever.
Just do it. What is it?
What was that? It was a movie with like,
condiments and sausage guy. Yeah.
Millions of millions of dollars of money went into that.
That's the thing. Yeah.
Like people do, terrible things,
God Sharknado that go on ahead and make whatever the heck it
is. You want without fear, none of
those people lost with lee. Yeah, people put out terrible
things all the time. I guarantee you're not going to
be as bad as you think we did in there.
Yeah, there we go. So Do the thing, do it your way
have the best fun, then live and huge.
Hearty thing. I think we're going to end with
a bug. But about Bob.
Bob Bob, Bob Bob I got from all of these people now.
Are we ready? We can do it to ya, one.
We are never going to be an acapella.
I am. You can fix that with autotune.
Ding. Come on.
Yes, we'll make podcasts. Thank you so much.
Do you like a fella? Thank you, Sarah.
This has been so much fun. Fix it in.
Post can't wait to hear this, everyone.