Hi, this is Sharda Agra. Hello, this is Mohammad Assam.
Hi, this is Pradeep Magazine. Welcome to the PCCI podcast.
So welcome to the PCCI podcast. Today we have with us senior
journalist Chandrashekhar Lutraji.
He joins us to speak on what's happening in world cricket with
a focus on 2 main topics. 1 is the treatment meted out to
Bangladesh and 2nd on Pakistan's decision to boycott the February
15th game versus BCCI. Very, very warm welcome to BCCI.
Thank you. Thank you very much.
I think and Saurabh are with us today and I think ICC.
Great soul. It's just like you know old
times of you show me the face, I'll show you the rule, you show
me the face. India very close to Jaisha.
When Jaisha took over as the Chairman of ICC on 2nd or 4th
December 2024, immediately there was a issue from about Champions
Trophy. So India said or not India, his
Papa said. Political compulsions I can
understand, which could happen to anyone, immediately came up
with a solution. Pakistan.
Pakistan Cricket Board Pakistan major countries 2009 K attack
Sri Lanka cricket is in a very dire state and overall if you
look at the recent matches between India and Pakistan it's
been 1 sided. So there has been problems to
show your, you know might neutral country Papa or cricket.
They stated the fact, internal security, whether it's
Australia, India, England, anybody, if you're touring any
country, obviously the clearance has to come from the internal
ministry, home ministry that mean and foreign ministry.
So that was the stated fact. Pakistan, Bangladesh.
Bangladesh political connection or Indian foreign policy of
political reporter Foreign policy The
best player one of the best left in the world Cricket not the top
but top three or top 4 is a very good player because his team is
from the Bengal side. KKR he picked them up One of the
best selling player 9.9.29.2 crores so absolutely fine.
BJP party BJP party is captured by BJP multi party function
Cortana Goswami type program. In BCCI meetings with Eka, and
I'm very serious about it, meetings with Eka, the president
secretary, this is the kind of ecosystem right now we have.
So Bangladesh, my best friend, my father or internal security
because that was the stated position of ICC Security Agency
Internal Security Committee. Arebhai security threat.
How can you deny that choice to Bangladesh?
You can't have two different rules for two different
countries and that's how it all started.
Or Pakistan, India match. Yeah.
Big Three, England or Australia. It's a very tricky situation
voting. Many WOBI matches they can
experience man Sachin Tendulkar domestic matches OK Hamari
families are official families domestic India Australia India
England IPL multinational tournament 20 20 match spot
fixing. But I have seen it moment by
moment. Cricket domestic Pakistan,
Australia, New Zealand become main Pakistan or Bangladesh.
I would say if you ask me Major 7577 or Cricket Divide 69 time
to survive world cricket, Pakistan, Imran Khan, Baki Puri,
Dunia, big cricket, cricket multi national
game, Ireland or Scotland. It's a very, very dire situation
for world cricket. But Chandrashekarjee, I mean, we
heard someone say recently key cricket is not a global game,
it's a Commonwealth game, Commonwealth countries.
Abhi, given that ICCKCEO GB, you do obviously very crucial
questions. Who is going to ask this
question? And it is a uninformed opinion,
in a way, from our side. Key.
Given the BCCI influence within cricket, given the K subti
vector of Kalagar India team koi matchna jite koi crowd nai IPL,
it will always have a billion people as its audience.
A billion cricket crazy people. Do you think there is enough
within the cricket ecosystem? Key Abhi Moka Milay, Let's stand
up to the bullies. There are two ways to answer
your question. One is do we have enough
strength? I would say no to Jio Hotstar.
We can't telecast your matches. We are in a massive losses,
so-called influence, political backing, financial backing.
You are giving more money to the different countries, Khaskar,
big three, India, Australia and England.
I don't remember the money but I think it is to the tune of 2500
to 25,000 crore losses just for a better one.
I think 1000 losses. Pakistan match Bangladesh
population, Pakistani eyeballs finalists.
A game of eyeballs. Eyeballs India miss saturation
point is super what Cricket Australia, New Zealand, South
Africa mahad but never linear unkeep of soccer tennis.
Finally, your eyeballs is in Asian subcontinent.
Associate Afghanistan, Afghanistan, Afghanistan women,
cricket. Different story.
Finally, the eyeballs are in the subcontinent India.
Young, rich, but smart. But point is cricket.
I completely agree with you. Commonwealth Games Likim Cricket
globalization plan. Knockout used to go to.
Associate team coach Globalization plan if I'm not
wrong, Globalization number 1.
World Cup semifinals. Semifinal Fixing anti corruption
Bureau Ethnic countries World Cup India, Bangladesh,
Bangladesh. Cricket, football, football.
Cricket spot fixing. IPL, money spinner, so-called
company, almost one game BCCI. And if I'm talking about
something like 45,000 crores, that is a white, white
ecosystem, ecosystem politics that as a as a journalist, I'm
not a cricket enthusiast, I'm a cricket reporter.
Ecosystem illegal betting India. Just share market, it's a
massive loss. It's a massive challenge to what
cricket right now, if you ask me, I see a kind of compromise
somewhere. Pakistan
or Pakistan? Pakistan conversation has been
started as a cricketer, BJP, former member of Parliament.
What kind of cricket or what kind of foreign policy is this?
I mean, I'm not going to name the cricketers the way.
They were out. Dictators the more you perform
off track. Cricket, diplomacy, cricket
religion difference. So 71 Kivaru 90 is a fine
example. America name sport
because they understand this is a bridge, this is a diplomacy
that is probably, if not working, but somewhere open a
window somewhere or plus last cheese, Bangladesh.
Yes, Bangladesh episode. So I spoke to a former ICC
chief, BCCI chief. So he was literally in tears, he
said. Shekhar, forget politics,
Bangladesh, they've always backed us.
Pakistan. He was literally in tears.
Can I ask you can I ask you an existential question please?
Given given and cricket zoom out this alpha male kind of very
tyrant alpha male ecosystem. Are we now getting to a point
where make movie social network social networks are Bunny?
It became a hit. It was a beautiful movie and it
become a super hit. And pura Ek zeitgeiste umad
Zuckerberg hero ban Gaye wo zeitgeist ke Ki yehi hai Banda
isna banadiya Facebook mere hai Saab SE That movie is a lesson
Ki Zuckerberg ke life Mein Ek dost nahi uski girlfriend, loyal
partner. The last scene of that movie,
it's a very moving scene. But again, what?
You are saying is a lot of like the like they're also people,
right? They're a reflection of the
society. Ek, great old man.
He was the president of CCI for a very long time.
Because I just want to share this thing.
Great man, Great. So he shared this thing with me.
Obviously I'm talking about about 20 years back, if not
less. This was before that so he said
signing amount is 50,000 as a president and what a great
gesture. Forget about money part and
everything, be a great cricketer.
Not because I haven't seen him much later days but great
cricketer. I'm Privy to that jab Unko Tiger
IPL governing council chairman member is fixing but was so sure
I have nothing to do with this bloody cricket.
Later on became member because he needed money probably.
Maybe he needed money otherwise he was a great soul.
So anyway, but so point is cricket.
Cricket, cricket, cricket believe me India sponsors
evidence is the may I say Pachas matches at least domestic Dilip
trophy ke Ranji ke Devda trophy from Sourav Ganguly to Sachin to
drove it to everybody Jihad stadium khula Chuta or Sour
Banda dekhi or. Starting it was New Zealand
versus England, right? And it was with the finalists of
the previous World Cup finalists of.
The previous World Cup, it's a combination of so many things
global I'm Privy to that I have seen that I've done stories on
that is still there, but ATV 60 6 1000 Pakistan politically.
Yeah, 80, 7, 87 God bless his soul.
Globalization Cup or cricket? 3 nation otherwise, but
unfortunately that's not the same.
Ek sawal joki Yeah, structure dominance, right?
I think Saudi investors interested this is a Twitter.
Absolutely I.
Completely agree with you or May 8 point because of different
issues Hamari country hate hate. But overall, what you are saying
is, is going to be a truth somewhere, you know, maybe after
10 years, five years after the evaluation of the of the IPL
franchise with franchise total exo Charlie's exo das team C.
I remember there was a story I did Supreme Court.
I was in Times of India. I don't remember the time but
Randeep Mahindra 2002 three and Pakistan 2005 2004.
I remember Supreme Court order on TV rights.
I did a page one story, obviously including BCCI chief.
Abu cricket Mahakumta Sablok Puri duniya 99 Supreme Court
order Joe Joe divide division formula 7030 that 70% of the
money will go to BCCI. So I did a page one story OK how
there is there are chances India will be see how you call of this
tour or this was the formula decided.
AAP Ki jitani bhi Jo karishma hai Jo world cricket.
That is because of the different stars Aaj Tendulkar, Khur Sehwag
Ki Zaheer Khan, Khurani plays buddy star power name and the
star power comments ball Karara Karke Shubman Gilko bold Mara
jab Megrath bumper Mara Sachin Ki Khoni Pelagi or LBW.
Remember these things yeah. Johanna Cricket, cricket
domestic, successful domestic match spectators will be there.
People have different choices, free passes, car parking,
different ecosystem and thanks to Lalith Modi for that.
Cricket, cricket. So that way it's it's again we
are in a situation compromise. If you ask me, we need a
compromise formula. Jasha also needs Australia also
needs everybody needs it Pakistan.
Finally, Australia is less friendly than Bangladesh
after for some reason immediately.
Better sense has to prevail somewhere.
His brains. This is what diplomacy.
Don't give them ideas. Like I have done reporting for
so long. I know a lot of people who have
done that religiously. But I'm so amused.
I'm so surprised. I mean, why you call him out
now? You call his name, he's there
for some reason or throw him out.
But Sir, But Sir, problem women 's cricket.
In players score wealth worth support X player Nam kulena
sachino Tendulkar. Why?
I asked him. For that matter, suppose I have
played hundred test matches 100, test value 90.
What calculate KGS? Suppose I have played hundred
tests 101 days, 100 T 20s made in suppose X number of soccer.
How can I become a 5000 crore person?
Banks, bank accounts. So it's a whole ecosystem.
I say cricket is nobody. Cricket.
Cricket may. IPS officer there, investigator
there. I have done a lot of stories.
I have, I mean. He was on the verge of cracking
this entire thing. So there are so many things,
buddy, buddy. Without Kapan, let me tell you
so frankly, you cannot even fix a single ball.
Forget about a match over or everything spot fixing.
It is only through Kapan actually can.
I don't blame anybody because this is the way.
I think but it could last on this.
India. Pakistan.
I hope, I hope better sense should prevail for the
betterment of cricket. For the word cricket, both
India, Pakistan and world cricket, they need every team
especially Bangladesh, Pakistan, everybody.
Pakistan is a christmatic team. Pakistan talent different,
Pakistan 1 sided. It's not that this is sports.
Noah Djokovic, Can you believe that world #1 #2?
But that's the way sports is being played.
Pakistan. You don't play by the word of
sportsman spirit, you play by some politician.
Yet trollers, what kind of sporting nation?
We have become our last. This is going to hurt you very
badly. 2036 Cup Olympics to that itself is like giving blank
cheque to IOC International Olympic Committee.
OK, Aapke Jobi member nation Joe Aapke official said Joe Aapke
participating countries, I don't know Olympics, Asian Games,
Commonwealth gear, but you don't require a visa.
You require a accreditation card card.
There will be a separate counter in Delhi airport, in Mumbai
airport or separate passport. I don't require a visa.
So. India, you are a member country,
you have all the permissions, you have spectators and they
require visa or OB visa, first come first serve I think or
lottery system or whatever political party.
Rahul Gandhi, that is your requirement after undertaking
Pakistan sense Bangladesh, my best friend, my father.
Now, this is not done. I just hope and I pray.
I'm not a political person, I'm not.
But yes, I'm a very secular person.
I was born in a very secular country and I believe in this
game of cricket, which is a beautiful game.
I have worshipped that, I have covered that, I have played that
and mujhe lagta Ki uski betterment or world cricket
betterment. Kelly, better sense should
prevail. Pakistan should be playing
India. There should not be any kind of
boycott, but there should not be any boycott.
Settle your matters. Whatever there is.
Give and take everywhere. You know, it's not as very clean
word where we are living right now.
Yeah, Joe, settlement and let cricket prosper.
Finally, cricket is going to stay there.
It has stayed there for last 100 and 2025 years.
So let cricket prevail, let better sense prevail and let
Pakistan play India. On that note, Sir, thank you so
much for joining. Thank you so much, Sir.
Pleasure, pleasure. This was my first podcast with
you and I really, really enjoyed it because you don't get this
much of time in the channels right now.
Everybody wants to be thank. You.
Thank you. Thank you very much.
That marks the end of Part 1 of this episode where we spoke to
Chandrasekhar Luthra. And up next is our chat with
Behram. Welcome to BCCI podcast.
This is our second podcast of the day.
We feel like this guy who keeps telling he does podcasts all the
time. I'm talking about Behram who
keeps saying that he keeps doing podcasts all the time.
So welcome to the pod, Behram. Yeah, I mean, it's always a fun
time recording with you guys. I was really wanting to record
with you can get Jabbiqui Bakwa Sotina cricket kinder
politically to mera mood of the PCCI Vale boys, kisat chakar
baat Ki jaito here I am your resident jihadi bikari terrorist
sympathizer and porky, I'm back. Video MENA short clip rogue
state bolte fairpoint when? I start podcast key what is the
only thing that connects PCCI and Times Now is Baram kazi
baram kazi Times Now baby I. Respect you for that decision.
Am I about to get Arnab right? And I talked to some people, my
colleagues in India and they were like experience and all
I'll say is that it was an experience.
I was fed to the wolves in a way were extreme bigoted crowd bar
bar many AGS reiterate here K India opened the political can
of worms when they sacked the fizz from the IPL based on his
nationality, which is pure discrimination.
No one ever answered that. Sidestep kar kar ke patani ka
pawan gay boys. By the way, by the way that but
if you ask about who started it, it was a random Baba like rando
who said and obviously because it was KKR right again, MI
neeliya uta no problem. It would have been, absolutely.
When that when that issue was going on, Shakib Al Hasan was
playing for MI Emirates in the ILT 20.
West Bengal is about to have elections, Bangladesh are about
to have elections. So the move was fairly like so
BJP want to break the like the presiding government in West
Bengal. So it was it had motivations
from that side as well. Key.
It is not just key. OK KKR.
It is why it makes sense the KKR could penalize him further.
And like Nishant said key, it was started by just the Baba
saying that are in Bangladesh and that's.
What it took to the government to take a decision key Nicola
Esco Yeah. That's this entire situation is
self is self created right Like yeah, avoidable situation.
They could have easily like been more evil and sacked the fizz
right for the IPL right. So that probably would have
worked better for them in terms of hosting the T20 World Cup.
Look meh. Barbari analogy Diratha Times
Now PBK. Imagine that I am from country Y
and I hire someone from country X to work for my firm.
A politician starts creating a ruckus.
He starts threatening that player.
K Mesco airports in Nikolae Dunga Dhamkiya plagado.
I have to now let go of that employee.
I have to sack that employee because apparently he's from
country X, which is the enemy nation according to that
politician or Abbas Bundegi Family Joy, which was set to
tour my country, says we don't feel welcome or safe now
visiting Tahmiya. We're rejecting the visit.
We're not going to do it. Isn't it like plain as day?
This is not some complex math. Over here it's also two ways you
can deal with it. 1 is that you say as a Matlab politician in
Bola Ki matlab Dell hum so TK matlab hum sakar.
The other way is what happened in 99 when Pakistan told right
where Shiv Sena said you better not enter our country.
They dug up the Kotla pitch five days before the the first Test
match was supposed to be in Ferrocha Kotla.
They dug up the Ferrocha Kotla pitch.
The BCCI and Indian cricket went out of the way and said not only
are they coming, they're going to play a full fucking Test
series. They're going to play a Tri
series. We are going to treat them well
and they are going to treat us well.
So go fuck yourself. Kotla will just be moved to the
second Test. We are going to hold the first
Test in Chennai and one of the greatest sites cricket has ever
seen is after that heartbreaking loss, emotionally sapping loss,
the entire Chepauk ground gave a standing ovation to the entire
Pakistan team for a display worth giving a standing ovation
to. And so it is not just that
fringes. They are 98990919293 paths to
cancel. Why Hero Cup in Pakistan
Nainita? There is a way to shake off what
the fringes are saying and then the opposite is there is a way
that gives us an excuse to be bigoted and we are like.
Also you speak of the G POC crowd giving Pakistans team is
standing ovation after you know Sachin is out and there's
heartbreak. Yeah, this is all happening in
the backdrop of of a backdrop of a Kagil.
What armies are at play over here?
Pirbi dekho, cricket administrators, Uswat kitni, the
likes of Jagmohan Dalmi and IS Bindra rabi.
I don't know if you guys read that piece that Assan Mani been
down for Cricinfo. It was wonderful to read here.
Better times, less toxic times and cricket Co Baja to protect
kejata from the geopolitical filth that is now spilling over
violently right like its insane or AAP ko pataki politically
volatile region banavi by subcontinent.
How can you go and make or open a political can of worms over
here by sacking Mr. Feaser, you know to appease your government
acting government and not expect equally politically charged
reactions. Bangladesh should be politics
Kaylia Jemanade Khan Indiana or Pakistan.
So Puri Puri politics Kaler. Now they should have done this
by the way, use this one bargaining chip on their table
and the only real card they have in their hand, the only leverage
they have of of forfeiting the India Pakistan game perhaps
before the Jaishya Cup jab Jaishan Asia Cup takeover
recently, recently. My member is bigger than yours.
It's a member measuring contest. At this point.
Bicycle. The real question is now, like
how do passionate cricket fans in Pakistan feel?
Oh. My God, dude.
Richa enters the chat with an absolute banger.
Love it, yeah. Not him, not him.
I love him. What the fuck is he talking
about man? I have massive respect for
Harsha as. Well, I have someone.
Fill me in. Made a white noise.
Both come back OK. Kiss Harsha.
Bhogley said this. Harsha Bhogley asked this today.
Very similar to you. I have looked up to him my
entire life because he's someone who hasn't played cricket
professionally and he's doing the stuff that I want to do
professionally. And he's wonderful.
He's a legitimately wonderful dude.
What the fuck is he talking about?
He is undoubtedly one of the greatest storytellers cricket
has ever seen. But harsha ko sabsunte he has
this way of talking that is very easy on the ears and you know
aapko rationality feel otithi. You are asking what Pakistan
passionate Pakistan fans genuinely want.
I'll tell you what they want. They want reform in cricket.
They want a more equitable system and not a single Pakistan
fan is probably upset that they won't play India in the T20
World Cup. That forfeiture is not bothering
anyone. QK Yaha Pyar people are of the
opinion that someone had to stand up to the cricket hegemony
and someone had to kind of, you know, challenge them.
Kabhi Hoyni would challenge and cricket has been politicized
from the get go. Politics, cricket have been
intertwined since the inception of the sport.
UK, the British Empire use cricket as a tool to colonize
and quote UN quote civilize. You know their subjects.
Uske badam nikya kuch NI dekha by South Africa Walapura
apartheid seen they care. Sri Lanka refused to play Israel
at one point, India, Pakistan kept nisi Asad chilti ratiya.
Their politics has been rampant. But now we're at a tipping
point. I have no idea where they go
from here and I understand that there are great implications
over here. Pakistan njek Patak Haley are
the only card they have. They played it.
This will impact the broadcasters and writes Kisnek
Karina, the richest man in India, Mukesh Ambani.
So there's that. This will impact the ICC Who
head conquer Amit, Shaka, Londa, Jaysha, Nepo baby and of course
the lesser in doubt cricket boards will be hit the worst.
They are the biggest losers in this.
We all are losers in the sense key.
There is sure short money to be made around India, Pakistan
fixtures which we will miss out on.
But if I'm being frank, there is a part of me that is able to
extract some joy from this whole challenging of the cricket
hegemony because there was an inevitability to it, don't you
guys think? Guys like in importance of all
you I think up, but may I put counter Dina?
May I counter Dina chaton key ICC tournaments are built on
sporting integrity, competitiveness, consistency and
fairness. It's a great that statement.
That we put out tangibility 100 percent.
Tangibility Tangibility. Do you want more suggestions to
copy? Can I Can I read out a quote
written to me by a very senior journalist today?
OK. OK, let's take a call.
Who is that? The person you're thinking.
Of source compromise. And he says, and I quote.
That statement is more fun than any set of words PG Wodehouse
ever wrote. The irony in it all is that if
there are four things that the ICC is guilty of not upholding,
that is the integrity of the sport competition, consistency
in bold and fairness. Matlab ke kiskisat mazakkar
roya. What the hell are you doing?
That statement is basically, you know, a Cooper Corolly haircut.
That's what it is. It's that bad.
What's the worst mark? Than asking you to drive safe.
So I think the one metaphor that I think is useful here is Kuch
Dino Pele, India car public data.
And there was a Republic Day parade.
And in the Republic Day parade, there was a Bactrian camel.
Now, I, I didn't know what it was until I saw this, but
apparently Bactrian camel are in endangered species basically.
So there's about 3 or 400 of them.
They're not really used by the Indian Army, but they were
felicitated regardless. A couple of camels and a few God
knows what else, probably mules or something along with them.
They were felicitated for the services to the Indian Army.
Although Bichara camel Wolar kharada in the Republic Day
parade and everyone's clapping like amused at this.
This is essentially what international cricket currently
is like. It's a dying sport, OK, And it
is, it is endangered. And right now it stands at Adam
Precipice, right? And you we really need to think
about like, what is going to happen to the sport in the
future, right? Like if you look at the Imperial
Cricket Council when it was founded and South Africa along
with England and Australia took the decision to basically have
it only for the Commonwealth nations, removing, you know, the
US and Ireland. From.
Cricket Argentina, do you know Argentina was in the mix at that
time? Yes exactly and that had so many
downstream consequences like these countries are nowhere to
be found in cricket today. I mean the Ireland is this test
nation but not really right? Ireland cricket is under threat.
I think this could have similar consequences.
The fracturing of world. Cricket yeah, it was hanging by
a thread right? Like I said, even though cricket
and politics have been inter intertwined from the get go,
Kobe hum is tipping point by INE and this is very new.
What the future hold is something I cannot even fathom
or comprehend. Best case scenario may we'll see
some sort of reform and the ICC will evolve from being simply an
event management company, which is a long short.
It's a pipeline current. CEO is the guy who was the 1st
event manager for IPL. OK, current CEO Sanjog bhai Yes,
and he's the guy who gave the immortal code that IPL may India
will win every day. Yeah, India will win every day.
Jeet Sir of India, so Pakistan, Congrats.
On which is that it will not be an event management company.
Yeah, well that's the best case scenario.
The worst case scenario is that they will bully Pakistan even
further and fuck them over to unimaginable extents.
Mazagi bhatiya ke in from the playing conditions of the 2020
4020 World Cup. If you forfeit a game, you only
suffer A drastic net run rate Hit matlab kyapke overall total.
Kendra will be sober. Add Hong, we got playing
conditions deciding if we don't know what they will be for the
2026 ICC World Cup or T20 World Cup and I am imagining that the
ICC about is about to get super creative.
No, no, no, no, no playing conditions has been signed by
all the teams. They just haven't been released.
I am. Just they have had signed.
You can't not sign the playing conditions with a week to go.
They have been signed by all the teams.
What the loopholes are? You never know. 14 countries.
You don't have Bangladesh against vote.
Yeah. Can a new version come in 100%
but the version has? Been signed and tabled.
Teams decided is conversation, but I would just say that if the
legal grounds don't exist right now, they could exist tomorrow.
QK bhai Hurtcon orayape the richest man in India who has the
broadcasting rights or ugly rights for a package B impact on
S Kibbad. You're looking at 1/4 of a
billion U.S. dollars in loss minimum right?
Saath Tapareo, ICC President Ko, who is the son of Amit Shah,
home minister of India and these people will be under fire
because ICC Mitho you have to protect the global game and Jay
Shah Cooper pressure. So I imagine that some sort of
financial penalty is definitely going to come into play.
I hope the PCB have done their math.
We would have PESA command Logan here.
Any franchise fees may amongst the PSL teams.
So maybe they're feeling a bit more empowered to make these
sort of, you know, statements. I, I was the one voicing the
Champions Trophy. Nikhil Nayare, forfeit the game.
Screw it. Yeah, it was high time that they
did it. Watch the other yoga.
I think so. I, I don't want to credit the
Pakistan board for, you know, putting a lot of thought into
taking action, but it's very interesting that they decided to
boycott the match. Humbled.
The fact that Mohsin Naqvi knows fuck all about cricket
administration and economy has surely helped him make this
decision. Yeah, you, somebody said.
This to me in the text it was, but yeah, yeah.
Okay, they were very coy, I'll tell you how.
And I generally don't like to give the credit to them either.
I'm not a fan of the way Pakistan cricket is run by the
shadow bandu which pending picture the PCB Manija Pata
press box kinder right? I've got no association with
them as things currently stand. But the government of Pakistan,
when they issued that directive, they specifically mentioned that
Pakistan will not take the field on 15th February.
So they have every intention of playing India if they face them
in the knockouts. Yeah, they saw this as an
opportunistic moment to now further play their politics,
which suits them, which helps them come across as good people
amongst the public sentiment that the ICC, the way its run is
rigged with. Bangladesh, Pakistan from a
governmental perspective have lost that thread a little
because them trying to and yeah World Cup semi final theory
they'll perfect. But mujhe.
I will love it if they even if it's a final and Pakistan says
just fuck off. That would be the ballerus
ballerus move ever that. Would be so because you know
what will be baller? You know what will be baller to
say no, we'll play. We'll beat you in a tournament
that you think you will win by sure dint of your influence,
We'll fucking beat you. I don't think any sane thinking
board will go to a World Cup final, see that they've reached
a World Cup fund. To reach a World Cup fund you
have to be a certain level good or, you know, flowing through
your luck and all. Once you reach that stage you
have to have the confidence that we can beat anybody and if
you're then given the chance to beat your bully you, there is no
way you are letting that chance go.
You would take that chance on every day.
They should do it just because, I mean, T20 World Cup doesn't
really matter, like 50. I agree with you.
But yeah, they should do it. If there's a chance, they should
do it. If they are to meet India in a
knockout game in the C20 World Cup and they boycott that.
So perto ugly rights cup package next set.
You know how milker passage, let's buy the rights over here,
let's outbid Ambani, right? But what I fear over here is K
rather than trying to negotiate, which will never happen, right?
We know K politics, Kelly Jari they will try to screw Pakistan
over beyond measure and they can they will find some sort of
legal loopholes, forfeitures stay in World Cups and ICC
events and all that stuff. Those were under, you know,
security concerns. Your team is specifically Jaga
Jaga Kehlani Chattiti Yahaba Pakistan is going for a purely
political movie. All know it.
We can see that in plain sight. Political cheese.
Kelly, Indiana government copies Kia Bangladesh sentiment copies
Pakistan. Pakistan can then move the Court
of Arbitration for sport now, but Boria Majumdar has already
said, but Boria Majumdar has already said PA 1 Egypt.
So I should I believe you was. A legendary action.
Yeah, Bangladesh. Bangladesh.
They did. Not.
Yeah, you're threatening one player and then you're saying
but. India can say unsafe, India can
say unsafe, India unsafe. Yeah, Times Now you fulfill the
criteria right the. Other thing is this didn't even
start with Fizz, right? It actually started years ago.
You have a board that's consistently doing micro
aggressions technically against other boards.
You're moving games to Guyana that are fixed for your nation.
You're basically bullying everyone in terms of scheduling.
You're changing scheduling last minute.
I mean, this it's it's a long time coming, right?
Like yellow sport. And now they're complaining.
Oh my God, everyone's now reacting.
Why are? You reacting politically to our
political moves that I. Am I am going to give you MV the
headline for this? This started with Tendulkar.
I'll tell you how. OK, in 2013, early spring, he
said. I'm retiring this year.
Now the schedule that year was India's going to South Africa
for four Tests. Next year was all touring
outside. So New Zealand kaway tour,
England Kaway tour, Australia kaway tour, no home games.
And thing is, Tendulkar cannot fucking retire in Auckland or
Cape Town. Great places, aspirational
cricket grounds. Tendulkar is not retiring there.
He's going to retire in one K day.
I'll be scheduled my time by 10 AM.
Champions Trophy, honey, a beach man.
So call the other W Indies go I go by 2013.
W Indies remember did not have any like forget any money.
They were not even paying their players.
There was a pay dispute that was happening.
Dwayne Bravo and he got his full team to the toss and saying
we're not even getting paid anything.
They called W Indies that we'll give you money.
Will you come to West Indies? Said yes.
Next call goes to South Africa. South Africa at that time are
looking forward to a four Test series against II said we're
going to play 2 Tests if you're lucky, but we are not playing
four South Africa like so late. How can you say this?
What the fuck? Our schedule has been finalized
given that you're playing four Tests.
India saying nothing to him. West Indies come in, play 2
Tests, Tendulkar it as India go to South Africa, play 2 Tests.
And that is the first pretty much instance of a board
bullying another country and telling them you change your
schedule. Nothing doing.
If you want us to come, you change your schedule.
The first instance of that was monkey gate when India
threatened to leave and Australia likely don't leave
play play the remaining Tests. The 2nd and biggest incident of
that was that end post Endulkar series where India said we are
not going to play Tests with you because our guy has to retire
here. And that was literally BCCI
telling a major cricketing nation that we are going to
twist around what can you do about it?
And they didn't have an answer. They also left that COVID test
in England IPL. Yeah, I am very.
Exactly that was such a divine. That was the last chance.
Basketball should do again. Yeah, Bapa Sai, the basketball
should do again. They got Johnny Bairstow.
But it's very fascinating that you put this forward.
QK Lokshar of India Pakistan well instances Nikolte and Cisco
court but you know there has been a lot of arm twisting going
on or tub Kiskoni like Abhi subject.
What will happen to the associates and I'm with you.
The biggest losers in all of this will be the lesser in doubt
cricket boards cricket from the funds that are generated from
the India Pakistan game. There is no doubt about it.
But the big three associates here you actually pretended like
you're growing the game. So I mean, look, the hypocrisy
has been imminent for a while. It is not even news currently.
Or for instance, Pakistan Gagarangle, they grow up.
Yeah, you boycotted or not boycotted.
You basically ended all bilateral cricketing ties with
Pakistan Akhri series, both the RR, Pakistan Anedo, the Junaid
Khan series, right? It's been what, 12 years or 13?
Years. I was at Scotla that day.
Yeah well so uske bassi bilateral cricket ties you have
made it a point to isolate Pakistan prayers in the
franchise T20 circuit IPL map purposely Do you keep them away?
There are also other leagues like the SA-20 and what not and
other teams within leagues. OK ILT 20 missile desert wipers
Pakistani you are discriminating over there closing pathways for
Pakistan cricketers. You are the ones who did not
want to shake hands which was also a can of worms that you
opened. I am not defending.
The reactions that came out. County Championship Nottingham
share with Ishan Kishan and then there are other examples.
Yadi yoga. In fact, the last time I came on
the PCCI pod, we were discussing how Boycott brigade Nikli with
the Asia Cup Kendriya Pakistan India matchup.
Boycott Pakistan has forfeited this fixture though point.
You don't get to play Pakistan. We would have been like 2.1 less
game packed calendar. Great.
Other than those 11 players, 15 players, nobody is happy because
Sabka Yatu Dhanamarai or Yadu film, you know?
I have the power to reject you the moment you tell me you
rejected me. Yeah, how dare you?
This, this is the thing, this is the main question, right?
So you have. Breaking up with me, I am.
Breaking up with you. I am.
Breaking up with you, just like George, like George, Costanza
said. I.
These people. Are breaking up with you?
They took away, they took away the satisfaction of this like
bullying, majoritarian masculine government's right to be able to
boycott Pakistan. Mazeki Cheesy, AKA lot of these
people who are, you know, amongst the right wing and are
bigoted Twitter users or whatnot.
Boycott Pakistan. We've gone from we hate you.
We don't want to play you. You are T words and I don't
know, I don't want to say the T word over here, but yeah.
Forfeit, boycott, or we've gone from you know we hate you and
don't want to play you to how dare you refuse to play with us
or AC Patti ICC. The official channels.
Yeah, look at them. They responded within an hour on
a Sunday. PCB Hamesha new Sunday.
They rest for six days and they work on Sundays.
This is a specialty of the PCBICC my boys.
Nick I wapas dafta Rao overtime hours clocker of foreign
response page. Oh, and make it sound like chap
GPT bullshit where you talk about sporting integrity,
competition, consistency and fairness and how you know
selective participation is bad for the game.
Pelito kabhi yadniya Selective participation give a bad for the
game World test championship myth or India Nikhil T Pakistan
Co vapi selective participation is not bad for the game.
Daschi is a bolivali and I'm not even that sort of person who
likes the PCB By the way. You have to understand that
Mehta Hut critic unka bodpada. I feel like there are no adults
in the room when there are critic cricket administrators
trying to run this goddamn sport which is the worst run major
sport across the globe. So the irony of it all is K
abuelo chukita dum digging anything, killing any killing
any abunki sardi kya apne refused the you forfeited the
game. It is really, really ironic.
Picture. So coming back to battery and
camels. Great segue.
Great. Segue.
Wow, I need to see what this. You got, you got to watch the
video. You got to watch the video, OK?
So you. Have to watch this by the way,
like the regular. Camera.
So they are, they look different, huh?
They're kind of, I think, found in the Mongolian desert areas
rather than India, and they're in a very small location in
India. They're an endangered species.
So I just. Has anyone?
Seen the fucking watch in which you've got Anand Ambani in the
watch? Yeah, yeah, that's Jacob and Co.
Elephant Khichdi 2 actual reporters by the way.
Yeah. I don't think Rahul Kamal is an
actual reporter but. Reporter.
Yeah, but. Why?
Why now? Very cute dog.
Do you say it's a pedigree? What the fuck man?
That is, that is. Yeah, Mary, different.
Sorry. Let me just tell the story real
quick. How she connected to Bactrian
camels. Very weird tangent, but what
Peter Ke adds any of the this kinder who up could discourage
Karte Janwar Khan? She was with me, we were going
somewhere. Or barasa billboard aya this E
chotasa piglet or E chotasa papita or lika vata.
You eat one, but you don't eat the other.
Something along those lines. And she was like, she loved her
meat. She was like, I'd fucking eat
that dog, right? Like.
Oh wow, I did not expect this story to go there.
Yeah, I know. It got bit dark, didn't it?
I have a friend who's who's a huge carnivore and I think once
she saw rabbits around and you're like, Oh my God, they're
so cute. And she's like, Oh my God, Yum.
Yeah, my nephew is a big seafood kid.
He absolutely loves seafood. And I watched that Nat Geo stuff
with him, right. Animal ski videos.
They face, this is a 910 year old and there's this giant squid
that we're looking at and he's like Ramu.
I feel like eating that. I was like, all right, kid, so
you don't track Mitchell Room, I'm calling it.
They put, OK, So even in the immediate aftermath now we, we
are here, we don't know what's going to happen tomorrow.
Although I heard India U.S. trade deal has been signed.
So some deflection is happening there.
Do you think that this this management has even has the DNA
to be able to sort any of this out?
We even begin to negotiate any of this, even if not aftermath
in the future. There's so much money at stake.
There is so much money at stake. No.
I think BCCI is in technically between, but I know what you're
saying. There's too much money at stake,
but politically there's also a lot at stake.
They can't be. They will not propose a middle
of the road solution. They so they have to do
something to. I mean I.
What happens is when you when you no longer have the money
dominance, the bully pulpit of money to be able to play that
you lose your significance also in the game to some degree.
OK, And The thing is, it's not that it's going to have a direct
outcome right away, but it's going to make themselves.
Maybe you know, think about it a little bit.
Or is. That too much to ask.
I think they're just going to run Pakistan cricket into the
ground. It's what can come.
Moody Yeah, they will look for loopholes and, you know, create
legal grounds to do that and that's what I fear because as
much as we can appreciate that someone is, you know, stood up
to the hegemony and Pakistan did have leverage.
Ek chopata Thabo kelai or hum sochite Kabila Kabila killing
it. There was an inevitability to
it. But now what will happen from
here? Broadcasters kabhi pesa loose
ore vaaghi banaling AR they'll pivot towards franchise T 20s
IPL Ki writes Karidling. It was halted ojenge ugly Joe
writes ka cycle Eva pick anybody hit lucky do the likes of
Zimbabwe, Ireland, Afghanistan, I don't know man, the West
Indies, do they even survive this?
Pakistan meter halki pulki cricket economy henna through
the PSL. They might just just survive
this. India is the least impacted on
Koto Faratni Parnanke Samantha Char Balti and Char Balti.
Name of the quarter of the Samandar nikali though, right?
Or whatever. I don't know what the exact
numbers are. They might not care, but the
international sport is at risk now.
It is literally hanging by a thread and the implications
could be fatal. Pakistan, you know, they
probably thought that they can defeat the three associate
nations and progress to the Super 8 stage.
But net run rate there one washout away from exiting the
tournament, right and or one loss away from exiting the
tournament. So it's interesting that they've
gone for this power move right now.
Or weird, but they've chosen that one point where they
weren't even involved sub politics.
I. Think.
Imagine being that. The Bangladesh.
Has united Bangladesh and Pakistan over something?
How incompetent and stupid. Times Now I think that was his
name Madhav Das G. So boy, don't you think it's
it's hypocrisy that Bangladesh played me and you're saying put
your team again. I was like in my mind, yeah on
your part right? Like how the fuck do you expect
the entire team to come just make Mustafizur Jodha or
Bangladesh like logic really goes.
To you know, and the fans, yard fans also the fans, the players
will be in some security. But I mean, Joe, if you follow
the news, Joe Delhi Orata like why?
I mean, they would do it anywhere Bangladesh is playing
or their fans are so. I mean, here's the question,
right? It's not.
We know it's not about Bangladesh because if this was
lit in DAS, this would not be the case.
And similarly if it wasn't Shahrukh Khan who had hired the.
The face is played for Chennai. He's played for Mumbai.
If I'm not wrong ABBR it was a quite quite the bidding war
right between Delhi, Chennai and KKR.
Magar ababi self create issue Ki abab kero Ki bhaiya.
Politically charged responses to the reactions fucked Yeah Puri
region, key politics. They're all like literally
volatile as hell and none of us enjoy that pit.
But that's the reality that we live in, right?
Couldn't you be more coy? Evil you not to evil only Ki
bitter 3 KTR World Cup. Why did you even allow him in
the? Does don't allow register, just
say that okay, we are not taking, we will not do the
insulting thing of inviting you to our house and then saying
Mata. Sorry boss, once he's in the
auction, why is any team responsible?
Yeah, like no, that's a separate thing, discrimination and today
Pakistan wouldn't have forfeited the game.
IK will trickle down effect to everything spirals after the
fizz is sacked by KKR. But you know, there are other
fascinating things that play over here is K India Jai.
They have now made this a habit. They are routinely opening
political cans of firms and then they are criticizing other
people of weaponizing the sport. Atul vasan naka Times Now
cricket is weaponized. I was like, yeah, Atul is
correct. Who is weaponizing the sport?
Kashmir cricket field. I was like, how is that
relevant? And he was like, no, someone
from Pakistan said this. I was like, look, now who's
indulging in what about? What about indulgement?
And I felt like I've lost a few brain cells interacting with
those folks. But I suppose now I'm that guy.
IPL car Lina Dina ICC cricket Selena Dina Pakistan cancel It
doesn't make fucking sense. Boundaries checker limits.
Australian border. English border.
South African border. Right.
Francis, Ferdinand. There will be on the left the
Nihil NHS Go. Only is chote say it's a shyat
kuch dhanka dhanka but kuch ex resolution just a nickel.
The one thing that might happen is over the next few couple of
years, Pakistan will bear the brunt.
But a lot of these countries, what they might do this.
South Africa is an example, right?
Their entire league that that is making them money.
That league is financed by the IPL franchises.
Essentially what can happen is it and it's just a possibility,
right? Speculation is the because in
the BCCI ecosystem operates on pure hubris, just pure delusion
and hubris. They are strengthening all these
nations and what they don't realise that while strengthening
a South Africa franchise and England car franchise tomorrow,
Australia car franchise, Todd Greenberg, me Bolia, they are
making sure that these girls are strong enough.
One day they are going to just say go fuck yourself.
We don't need. You.
That day will be the cricket. That day, cricket will turn
against BCC. Interesting thing is I actually
firmly believe India. Pakistan, yeah Bangladesh jobio
authoritarian authoritarianism is so rampant over here.
Pakistan be. If Pakistan was contributing
$0.80 to every dollar made in cricket, perhaps the PCB would
have had similar stances. Wobi buli karte agaram ko moka
milta. And India flexes his muscle
because you know, of course they are contributing 4/5 of the
amount to cricket or pirbo kathakam.
Late to set of Charlie's percent premium but rather than
bullying, don't you have a responsibility to think of the
greater good of the game or up International cricket
Commonwealth sport Pele yeah dasbara mulkachi cricket
reasonable kasam Ki our team and and it really is harrowing in
plain sight up right. So how is this a sustainable
model? This is not good for the sport.
No one's thinking about the overall health of international
cricket UK franchise T 20s is a different ball game.
Perhaps we're headed there. You know, the the Hindutva
project has essentially been Kaise hum Hindu kuwagi badai,
right? Basically, how do we show that
we are first of all leading all of the Hindus and that what
we're doing is really good for this country?
Now the problem is like, you walk outside this filth on the
side of the road, you take in a breath of air and it's full of
pollution. You go to buy something and it's
really freaking expensive, right?
So cricket is the only arena where they can actually show
wins, right? This is why they haven't they
haven't bothered to expand the game because it could mean a
loss of India's hegemony. They haven't bothered to expand
the game or increase the amount of money given to everybody else
to all of the associate nations cuz it could mean they come and
challenge that hegemony. Specifically USA.
They're really scared about USA entering cricket.
I mean isn't this just lipstick on a pig on the Hindutva agenda?
Like cricket is functioning as that.
Also, I completely understand lynching of minorities is bad.
We all feel that way. We're all empathetic, educated
people sitting over here who do not like to divide on the basis
of nationality or religion. I know that all of us are not
those people. Mujibati Gandhi bata jabiqi
minority lynch otiya. If the Hindus are being lynched
in Bangladesh, if Amadis and Christians and Hindus are being
lynched in Pakistan or if Muslims are being lynched in
India, this is all bad. But EKU Ek kulseni aura yeah
bohdir sayora. This is not news.
This has been happening for a while.
Or Dusri Baati AK which subcontinent country can boast a
fantastic treatment of minorities record over?
Here also can I say this, A country that India and Pakistan
are jointly supporting and are directly responsible for raising
that country's level is Afghanistan.
Guess who is the Afghan government right now?
Yep, the most tolerant regime in the world.
Guess who are India's only friends in the region?
Fucking terrorists are. Yeah, I swear to God, Ajib and
they had come over Abhi last year.
They they had got a state visit to India last year, they had
come over. A lot of people may not know
this but and my God I get jailed for this but I'll say this.
Up. The Talibans, Yeah, the Talibans
spiritual home is the urban, which is in UP.
Yes, Sarich is AUP. Urdu up.
Sarichekhane up. Richa.
UP Richa Aaj Akar, Choka Mari. She is like going all full
Abhishek Sharma on this BCCI pod.
She is also from UP Bakery and Camels and whatnot.
Yaar AAP tubesha Nagar AAP galawat khario or Shami tabario.
There is no way you are walking out with the same mind As a big
fan of both. AAP Lucknow kakhana kanpur
kakhana subasham daboge. At some point you will fart,
hence you be. We have Moradabad.
We have or we. Can I tell the story We play
went to play CBSE clusters football tournament in Meerut.
My school was in Noida and TKR football coach, officer whatever
you're playing with a bit of passion.
We legit heard, I swear on everything I know the coach tell
the team he was picking a substitution and these were his
words tongue toward the and we were like, bro, and we were
about 15-16 years old, like 9 this.
No, this though, we are not that brave.
And literally five of us looked at our coach.
We're like a substitute. We want to be out of this
because Meerut is so UP is wild Wild West UP is legitimately
wild Wild West. Meerut also fully fully in the
zone. Alabama by Texas name.
Rednecks Rednecks of India live in.
UK would tweet paratha. The ICC have missed a great
opportunity to replace Bangladesh with India A Yeah,
India B Bulky didn't even say India A in this tournament and
that would have increased fanfare and competition.
Saudi team in. India, yeah, yeah.
That evolutionary idea is name every team for put your India
AB, name them after cities and have the games in the cities.
It's a revolutionary idea. No one has thought of this
before. City based team.
And let the World Cup be the World Cup so that I can enjoy in
peace without any BS. I mean I mean I've seen some
harrowing things on Twitter. Meri galtiya mene keriya bike is
Sara Variska article parlo. Very nuanced, paints a full
picture, covers all angles. It's not even an op-ed, it is a
fucking information piece which she just ends by saying that
there is no coincidence that one nation gets their way both
times. That is it.
Baki Sabko chose their favor. Nuance has Kander if you go by
the book to Botezi right? Like security assessment, Biki
voting, biki 14, two biki procedures follow.
Poor Sara Varis gets to face such vitriol online, who is
literally the undisputed, bona fide queen of cricket media.
ESPN, Cricinfo veteran. Someone who has always been
very, very blunt, very honest. She's eloquent.
She marries excellence with integrity.
Instagram. Caption That is their extent of
literature, YouTube streamers, Instagram captions.
And I'm not trying to shame people who don't read.
It's OK to not read. But the fact that you look at a
Sara virus and a Sharda Sara virus suffered because her name
is Sara virus, right? And she's a woman and her name
is Sara virus. So double Jeopardy Khatam Utari,
the reason they went after Sharda and they were questioning
who like there was a set of, you know, countrywide protests in
early 2020 when Ram Guha also was arrested from the streets of
Bangalore. The trolls were asking who is
Ram Guha? New York Times published a piece
saying how can you arrest Ram Guha?
And a lot of people said by SAP tumnis reisen defect Ki tum
pretend karlo Ki hamani Pata. And the more you pretend, the
more it gets spoken about. Because actually, sabka Pata.
It comes from that key. They are never going to read, so
they are not critiquing the piece, neither are they
critiquing the logic. And that's the writer of the
piece. They just go by the headline
key. Yeah, hai mere biases key
against it. So now I'm going to aim my gun
at you. Yeah, with the seena Sir Bias
toger apne saval. Yeah, if anyone and I'm sure you
guys have followed my work, I love the sport.
If anyone plays good cricket, I will appreciate it.
I loved your piece on Virat as well.
Sarthak for instance. Right, like Joshi cricket
sports, he had said. When it seems.
It spins. Can you check you seen a comment
together? What do you know about spin?
Shame. No shame, do you?
How? Shame works.
Shame, do you? Know how spin works?
Yes, sorry. Yeah, I don't think we are far
from a day, I swear to I I mean, OK, as an Indian on the social
media, I see a lot of Indian cricket troll accounts.
I'm sure Behram you see it from a Pakistani context.
I don't think we are fraud from a day when a lot of these trolls
because someone might disagree they will say key actually such
an overrated Akram overrated Anwar overrated.
Look dude I saw somebody says Zinedine Zidane was overrated.
I was like dhai usne same World Cup final man Panenkar headbutt
Dono Mahre team Champions League, Champions League.
Pakistan irrelevant. It's not even a rivalry.
Even if the India Pakistan game is 1 sided, recent times have
taught us that it will remain a cash cow.
People confused that financial billing and marketability has
nothing to do with the actual contest on the field.
Indians will TuneIn always to watch their team beat Pakistan.
Pakistanis will TuneIn always to with hopes that they might beat
India this time ups and. Downs a closer A closer rivalry
is actually Sri Lanka, Bangladesh now.
They've robbed us of the fucking.
I. Don't like to other people
Global Citizen but by Pakistan is apparently obsessed with II,
right? Either corn obsessed.
Hey, please. We have driven bikes across your
country. We have put Imran Khan on an
auto and yeah, there is a there is a scene.
So I haven't got to run there. I've been just given clips.
So apparently the main protagonist goes and he eats
food there and he starts crying. I saw that.
Apparently the insinuation is that he he's a Hindu who's gone
there and he's having beef. So somebody.
I was that guy somebody. Maybe it was you, but I saw.
That wasn't me. That is exactly how you do not
blow your cover, by making it apparent.
I didn't bother watching the movie.
I think both countries are equally obsessed with each
other. It's the thing that you don't
want to live without each other, but publicly you want to say
that you hate each other. I'm not trying to defend
Pakistan over here. Pakistani state is at fault in
many different ways as well. I have never defended them and
never kept them. So Indian platform or comment
section bharja TE galio say or boycott Ki tamkia channel K jobi
owner. When I have Indian people on my
platforms in Pakistan, there's none of that crap.
So just the sheer number, it doesn't matter key near equally,
but just because the sheer numbers of Indians is much, it's
a clear there's no comparison, no comparison.
I think. Yeah, I think.
There's no comparison that Indian because.
They tried to take a minute and troll it in a way.
I mean, I don't know. And also can I?
Draw more social parallel here. So I'm sorry if I'm stepping on
some very Dukti rug here. An average, an Indian has been
fed the rhetoric that Pakistan is an enemy state, not that
Pakistan state ke sathamari problem.
We have been fed the rhetoric keep Pakistan desh ke sathamari
Ghoshmani, which is you? Something we had discussed last
time you were on the part, which is something I have a lot of
problem with because the average Joe in Pakistani, in Pakistan is
not something we have a problem with and we should never have a
problem with because they are random people.
We are random people. That's what I don't understand.
Agar Ki Pakistani Kathakkan Indian states a problem where
Indian Kathakkan Pakistani states a problem problem.
I don't like nation states was a total New Zealand or Ireland for
Sandesh Dunia Kendra. And now the way Australia
responded to the Bondi incident. I feel like they've also turned
a page over here. Massive respect to them.
They could have gone several different ways.
They could have taken the path of hate and division Megarvoto
love and unity. And I was surprised man,
honestly. So that was really refreshing to
see. But point is that nation states
so much of asini Basan human human connection.
Ultimately we want a roof over our head.
We want food at the table and and very few of us, I suppose
now are aware enough socially aware or politically aware or
just generally educated enough to realize and read between the
lines. Yeah, governments Karthikeyan
narrative beats. OK, hum pro sports while they
are total cricket key baat karte karte and the quick cricketer
politics. Then we give our views.
But I actually genuinely thought that for a minute in between we
were covering Indian cricket better than anyone in India.
Sports yariya sports taka patani sare kisam kisam.
Obviously they're good people in India covering cricket but eko
mass product ke Saab say I thought ke hamare pasab EB
marketer TK leili koeni amne kabhiya position is trani kyata
baki longki dukane bandogi UK. They had entirely hedged their
bets on the Indian market. But Yaar, when you kill the
human to human connection, you are emphasizing to your
countrymen all Pakistanis are bad.
Yapayar, Growing up, I've never been told all Indians are bad.
So yeah, but. Pointing out that we've been for
decades been fact that rhetoric because in our movies and
everything you don't show like which is why all of us I can
speak for I'm sure all of us in this panel.
We are big fans of Razi the movie and that's the reason QT
of Alia Bhatt goes over when Sehmat goes.
They show Sehmat's in laws as normal people.
They listen to jazz, they are respectful, they treat her like
their daughter, like you would expect a good Indian family to.
Maybe not jazz because but whatever they they want to
listen to. And that is one of the rare
movies man where you show Pakistan and Pakistan is as not
even you can overcorrect on the normalness right?
Polite, polite to a fault. This was like no they are we are
low heartbeat random normal people which is why we are such
big fans here. Hardeshka Average Joe is a
normal person or it is not an India Pakistan thing only.
It's true for Sri Lanka, true for fucking Bangladesh, true for
New Zealand as well. Along those lines, every radical
is the same. The Hindu nationalist say
Hindutva Vale in mayor Haram with Farakhani.
We exact cheeser but agenda different.
Trump follow Supremacists are always going to be supremacists
in case you had causes for religion.
Cause. Exact same.
And a lot of people are blindsided by, you know, this
propaganda and what's dangerous. I haven't watched that fucking
movie either. From what I have been told,
propaganda subtler, nuanced or that is now really fucking
dangerous. At least when you can easily
tell its propaganda work propaganda.
And I'm like are you kidding me? Do you understand what
propaganda means? It does not mean entirely fake
news. It means twisting stories to
serve your own purpose. And I do fear that you get the
high budget films are by Aditya Dharthu Pagal whoever on whoever
career Banali. Mary ancestor is Uri is not a
bad film. Actually, Uri is not a bad film.
So I have watched that film. Right.
But I'll tell you what I did watch.
He has cracked that formula where he his movies look very
slick and they'll have nice soundtrack and everything but of
like the messaging is clear. Like Dorander will literally
dialogue head because it's set in 2000s.
Marfan's character at one point is saying future makes Sarkar.
Can I say very? Funny about that.
You will wait for a future Sarkar basically.
No, no, no. Can I say something very funny?
So he says this during the Kandahar attack, right?
99 New Year's Dewala Kandahar hijacking.
Ajit Doval was also in NSA when the parliament attacks happened.
Ajit Doval was in NSA when a shutdown attack happened.
Ajit Doval was in NSA when the Mumbai blast happened.
And so my point is Chief of 2826 Eleven.
So the fuck are you doing? You are chief of National
Security Agency. Yeah, Jabbi, unfortunate
incidents, no one feels happy menace.
When I'm moving with the Karthik, it looks celebrate
Mumbai attacks with a Yeah, we were also devastated over here.
No one enjoys that could be religious intolerance,
nationalistic violence. So it is always wrong but yaara
movie a banaro jasna dekharo ke Lok celebrate career or Patel
Maine khalti SE EKS Ki movie dekhiya tharki Mein bewa kufuna.
I have my ancestry from Kashmir Baramullah men in Netflix cola
men a share a Johnson mere ancestors A manic holi or Ek dum
SE kuch huye movie Kendra menga. Fuck this is a propaganda movie
isn't it? Or wobi subtle.
It is, I haven't watched it. Yeah, it's not entirely TK story
this night they go if there are any any Kashmiri pundits out
there who have faced some sort of bigotry and persecution, I
stand with them. You can met persecution.
But what I will say is I'm really glad my ancestors moved.
I don't want to fucking live there.
You don't want to. Stay.
Limited Twitter. Facebook or realization?
Political Pakistan. But Pakistan has gone through
the regime, okay. Used as a tool.
Just going through it. Supremacist nationalistic Kisam
Kiwo school of thought a Pakistan kidney are we've
incurred so many loss of you know, losses of civilians and
loss of life because we were embroiled in this War on Terror,
right Usman Nuksantho Pakistan Kazada if anything hum to so
much the terrorism downside. I lived in this city growing up
as a teenager up until the age of 17 when I left for Canada or
I cannot fathom that now shit by if anything, at least you know
progressive Pakistanis know what it feels like.
I'm not going to say the way Indians kind of on mass treat
Pakistanis, Pakistanis on mass treat of guns.
Same attitude? Exact same attitude or a?
Global epidemic. Yeah, it absolutely is.
Or you know, obviously we are at that sort of point where kijo
average bigot ko E platform milgia and the mob is always
louder. I always say this K if I am
speaking against a certain trait or a certain state.
I'm bandeka thodi ragadayar, I'm mandado shed meri tarakao.
Anyone who you know vibes with me.
My energy is my person. They they are a part of my
tribe. It actually doesn't matter.
Kya aapka kya mazabe aapki kya nationality kya skin color kya
race by yechi kya farak partame maybe I have also had the
privilege of living abroad in Canada for 11 years.
But Maya akar dekhton jolok maybe Gaye or mere he social
circle methe voki radicalized tonio gayar hai masla.
Pakistan is probably responsible for it but there is this active
effort to move past that. Whereas India, I feel, are so
embroiled in the, you know, Modi regime.
Get this as this. Is bound to backfire at some
point also. So many years after the post.
No, no, sorry. Go ahead.
Sorry. No, I'm going to get Abhi.
Or each person to themselves. Arun Dhati And that is the first
time I even learned about Adivasis and Dalits irrigation
in this country as well. Minority, underprivileged
Pakistan, Hindu friends as well, right?
Yeah, main theme. And if you are a minority, you
need to have privilege. For now you're screwed.
Or Pakistan, unfortunately, now I might get arrested for this
MO. These can have privilege, and
they're still. Fucked I its, its a group.
I think it's a, it's not just a subcontinent phenomena, it's a
global phenomena. It's the same with African
American people in in the USA right now.
You're seeing it with Hispanic people in the USA with the ICE
stuff. If you're privileged and you
have enough, you know you have a good enough life, then you will
not be caught maybe, but you. Have to be.
You have to be a Romeo. Hey, but I I also think that
this we were discussing in other ports as well.
Socially, we have reached a point gap alpha male and I am
not dependent. I don't need friends, I don't
need allies. I am once I'm big, I am big.
And this pretense that I've got here on my own.
But even if that's not the pretense, now that I'm here, I
don't need anyone else. I think socially is also, you
see all the tech biggest leaders.
I was talking about social network in the previous world.
Social network was not a lesson on how Zuckerberg built
Facebook. It was a movie about how
Zuckerberg had zero friends. His girlfriend left him.
His closest friend who built Facebook with him, left him.
Yeah, Zuckerberg. The last scene of that movie is
Zuckerberg sending a friend request because he wants fucking
friends. Yeah.
And we canonize Zuckerberg at the end of the movie because
that's how all of us are. And I think we've reached a
point where socially, anyone who gets too big just thinks they're
too good for everybody else, which we've all seen in this
and. Satak, really.
Cricket, for instance, you and I working on a project.
All right, let's suppose we don't like each other, but we
remain professional for the sake of the project.
The project is done and you refuse to shake my hand.
Fuck this. You cannot go out there and
disrespect and not expect blowback or Pakistan.
Why are you falling into this trap?
Obviously, a manchild is at the helm in every administration.
Pakistan, Amit Shah, PCB chairman, BFO.
I'm not a fan of the way things kind of, you know, boiled down.
But ultimately we have to look Yaar yes, of gun introduce
conquer. Or, you know, I hate The Who
started it thing, but unfortunately, when there are no
adults in the room, who started who started it becomes relevant.
100% I agree. And I mean, you cannot.
No discourse about this incident can be had without discussing
most of his. I mean, because that was a
trigger. Like that was a fucking trigger.
You don't do mustafizur. Bangladesh doesn't get
irritated. Yeah, Pakistan doesn't think of
pulling out because they were happy with playing in Colombo.
Bangladesh were happy with playing everywhere, They were
happy with coming over. Their fans had booked tickets.
And Bangladesh, in Calcutta and other places, yes, they might
not win a lot, but they're a fairly popular team.
Like in the sense that they will draw some crowds, people will
come to watch. It is the third highest
population of fans within cricket right Behave as.
If cricket not only belongs to you, which is what powerful, you
know, regimes do, to pretend as if this board belongs to you,
but to behave as if cricket exists because of you and ends
at you is just insane delusion. And I feel this blowback is
going to I hope it dents that delusion a little bit at least.
Key India, Pakistan game at one point fortunes might turn right.
You got whooped, Yeah, Left, right and center.
You got whooped. So.
Some things have to change. I mean, at the very least, if
they come back to the negotiating table, I think they
go yes. Bangladesh reinstate.
I'm sorry to interject you, but that's not a possibility.
K Bangladesh reinstate. Career or no against?
Sri Lanka, Sri Lanka, then Pakistan.
To say. Future ICC events you camera
hybrid valley agreement the future ICC events of India,
Pakistan, Bangladesh and. I unfair to Scotland also.
Vacations cancelled Karali and Brandon McMullen or George
vacation. But then I just want to I want
to bring up one tweet and then you guys can have the floor.
Yeah, Ek hamare kui prateek bhai, bhatki prateek bhai and
Kobe many viral Karadhi. When I retweeted him,
unfortunately it was Kobe, Beta Hasha, Gallia Pardi.
He says 1 Bangladesh cricketer was unwanted in India but a full
squad was wanted and if they don't want to come, that's
blasphemy. Logic can go to hell.
I don't think anyone's put it better than this bloke.
Blast. Will be long term promise ICC
Karke. They've been a negotiating.
They will be. What's stopping them from
tearing it apart the moment the tournament is over?
What rules rewrite? I mean, see, if you're talking
about presidents, if you're talking about any even fake set
of rules that you appear to follow, none of them have been
followed. So to come out of this
negotiating table with, you know, waving a paper saying
dekho humne ye manwal, Yeah. Hosting rights pay.
Times Now even a mother loves the son who brings him, brings
in more money at home. I would love it.
Pakistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh.
I have never been on one of these shows but I kind of knew
what it was all about. Ek bandaneh Bola grovel, grovel,
grovel. And I was like, I thought we'd
moved on from that word, right? Like Abhi recently Shukri Conrad
has literally put a plug or pulled the plug on that word.
And I I honestly felt bad for the other Pakistan panelists.
I I felt bad for the other Pakistan panelists because Mehta
chalo, you guys know what I'm all about.
I am married to my cricket career and I want to make a
difference on that front. Looking API sari chutiya beta
media gender to make chattagi mekush farku and they would
drift away from the subject matter and just respond to these
things. I kept coming back to the
subject matter. How is that good for the masses?
OK, next time. Times Now.
Or Republic TV. Yeah, the that's their model.
They are doing exactly what they intend to do.
Yeah, because. So.
When when Sushant Singh Rajput passed away, they opened his
WhatsApp account. They read all the chats.
They found one where something was said good.
Some city had a good scene and they said and I quote mujhe
drugs though. Mujhe drugs though, give me
drugs. This is on national TV bro.
Oh, this is a very famous Arnab Goswami video actually, and he's
reading it and he's table. So this is, I mean, basically,
if they're not paying you, there's no point.
Yeah, there is no point. Honestly, I went for the
experience the first time. But by all means, go.
Take the money and go. Yeah, I'm not someone who's
going to get rattled by that bullshit subject matter.
Subject matter. You will not make me reactive.
I am taking the money. Yeah, way above the level that I
operate or way below the level that I operate at.
I feel like I got a lot of like plaudits from from people in
India. So I suppose every now and.
Then this guy just basically invites retired for these from
both India and Pakistan. Most likely they are both having
a drink together in Dubai or Abu Dhabi.
That's it. That's their model.
There were multiple guys who were caught like this.
These guys, yeah. Ultimately my visibility Miljet,
but now I probably have to pick and choose.
And you know, I've done a lot of this working for free or chalo
could talk sport platform or I know ke hamari Ek Ek honest
level pivo khulke mazidhar kasam Ki maziah discussion.
There are a lot of jokes and it's it's top bats mera soft
corner because I just enjoy myself.
But point is, K, what really bothers me or scares me is RJ
Jakhar. If you double or triple down on
the bullying and you make this an even more skewed sport in the
manner in which it is run, then this might be that watershed
moment which triggers the collapse of international
cricket already. We're kind of looking at a
trailer. All they really care about right
now is how to fuck Pakistan over in case they're not thinking
about the sport at all. They're not thinking about
Ireland and Afghanistan and Zimbabwe.
How do we get back to Pakistan? Or you could search anyway.
I think all of this is a long term conspiracy to have IPL all
year around. I mean if the IPL is ever to
move to a six month model, this could be the trigger for that as
well. I mean, I mean actually I.
Mean you, I mean they'll, they'll, they'll, they'll remove
cable 10, they'll reduce funding.
So Berto's Diong I think already the Dutch board has already has
an internal document where they've written that they expect
a 30% decrease in in revenues from the ICC.
So that number is supposed to increase is what he tweeted
recently. That 30% number was probably two
months ago I think when the deal so I think or because
incompetence ICC President at this point in time.
Making use of this opportunistic moment, this can only end badly
for you and we really like the way we started this
conversation. I think everyone feels a wee bit
of joy that the hegemony is being challenged.
But we know the hegemony very well.
They are not going to negotiate. There is no way.
KPCB Kiku demands you will put forward Kartheim Abhimani jani
yes sidda Sidda Abko spiral out further Kartheva.
And it's stupid how the fizz triggers all of it.
And I just continue to hold my head.
Can't say you know non adults, children, fucking immature
pieces of shit run our sport because cricket has so many
flavors. It has so many permutations.
It's any different cheese also and and you know, TK root siske
Hong, a full on racist and imperial.
But I think in the middle we had gotten to this point.
Jabe Bahadzada mutual respect, Thai and all these countries
were one tightly knit group. That 99 story of Chennai and
Chipok kind of tells you that. And how IS Bindra and Jagmohan
Dalniya and Isan Mani, Isan Mani, Isan Mani, sorry they work
together. We are so far away from that.
That is a long lost dream and whatever is going to happen here
on is probably just going to be xenophobia pro Max I think.
Why would they change that model now?
True until they get hit in the head.
Right. I mean.
Sushant Singh from the Caravan who writes for Cricket ET al, he
was there and I think he's made this point now at multiple
places, including our part, that essentially how the BCCI is
behaving is essentially how Hindutva wants to behave.
And, and that is only going to increase.
It's not going to decrease because currently they feel that
they have the money and they have the power and, and, and,
and they would like to continue behaving like that.
And what that does is the Pandora's box.
The average BCCI fan on Twitter and the average fan even
outside, they have a sense of borrowed pride which comes from
money which is not theirs but Mukesh Ambani's and wholly
cheese up as a because could keep us like I mean I mean
Pakistan, Bangladesh, I mean we as a country in real life
conversations and online conversations.
But the reality is key up K Ng players mask band construction
say pollution in the financial capital of this country Mumbai
in Hyderabad on a daily basis on a daily and somehow you project
it as a. Flex.
And somehow this is obvious. So The thing is key.
So the thing that I'm coming to the point is key.
And all of this is justified with the fact key with other
England or Australian evolve ho sakteo towards evolution final
words. Final words Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Keep doing what you guys are doing.
Yeah. Platform zuriya maybe khulki
Agar ya galli and then in laga town QK or I know pro sports.
But there is this certain responsibility that you feel ke
chaya kisi jakar platform jeopardizes your own career.
And you know what? It's not a very secure feeling
being a Pakistani in this field. But I've tried to just be myself
and you guys call me for exactly that, which I really appreciate.
And Raj bhai komiskiyaj umm says in siddhana Salaam yaar.
But it was a great discussion. I hope kejo sune Valley APE
viewers and listeners and all of you guys who lasted this long in
this podcast, you were able to leave with some sort of
perspective or pieces. PCR Part 2 Joanna wo kuch AP
koya PE Agar AP kyanki Pele banti to kuch extent the cold
day. This is not a feasible sort of
model with which international cricket can be run in the
future. Reform is imminent.
It is important, but will we get it?
Probably not. Is this rest in peace
international cricket? I suppose we'll know in a week
or two. Pata chali jaigya pick on Kisi
sanction at Hokte. But yeah, ballsy move by the
PCB. Worry about the best person in
the OR the worst person in the room.
Made a solid point at. Least.
Second worst. I won't say worst.
Sure. But yeah, it's been an absolute
pleasure, guys. That's.
Four in a row there is good. They're going to blow next.
Thing the prodigal son turn Messiah gets a second hundred in
successive. In their part in romantic.
Style, the whole of Bengal are on their.
Feet not that important. He's gone the next ball.
The dream is diminished for Carlos Pratwick.
Favourable scenes here at the ball game.