1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:03,640 That's four in a row, various girls they're going to blow next 2 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:08,680 in the prodigal son turn, Messiah gets a second hundred in 3 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:11,360 successive in their front and romantic style. 4 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:14,400 The whole of Bengal are on their feet. 5 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:22,300 The dream has diminished for Carlos Pratwick. 6 00:00:23,140 --> 00:00:29,160 Favourable scenes here. On the 21st of June in 2025, a 7 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:35,200 case was filed in Ghaziabad against Yash Dayal, a well known 8 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:38,120 IPL cricketer and bowler from RCB. 9 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:42,520 The case detailed sexual exploitation of a young woman 10 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:46,200 from 2019 under the false pretense of marriage. 11 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:51,040 The case stated that Yash Dayal proceeded to cut off ties and 12 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:55,440 when confronted by the victim, allegedly physically assaulted 13 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:58,560 her. Subsequently, another case came 14 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:02,800 to light where Yashteyal was accused of allegedly raping a 15 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:07,080 minor, a 17 year old in Jaipur in 2023. 16 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:12,040 This is a Poxo case and it carries a minimum sentence of 10 17 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:16,120 years if found guilty. The Poxo court rejected his 18 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:18,800 bail. He approached the High Court and 19 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:22,920 as of 24 hours ago has been granted interim bail and 20 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:26,240 protection from further further jail. 21 00:01:26,960 --> 00:01:30,520 You would think that based on how quickly the BCCI reacts to 22 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:34,560 evicting players from the league that they would have removed him 23 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:38,160 from playing in the IPL. These are two serious 24 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:42,160 allegations and especially in the light of the Poxo case, I 25 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,600 don't think I would feel comfortable keeping him around 26 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:46,360 young players and their families, right? 27 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:49,360 Wrong. They haven't taken action in 28 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:51,480 this case, although yes they are. 29 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:54,000 Was banned from the UP T20 league last year. 30 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:58,280 The most loved and upstanding franchise, Royal Challengers 31 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:02,120 Bangalore, decided to retain him ahead of the IPL auction in 32 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:05,320 2025. I guess having a left arm seamer 33 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:08,960 is much more important than the well-being of women and minors. 34 00:02:09,479 --> 00:02:12,080 You know, we've seen this before in sport and other sports. 35 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:17,760 Thousands of miles away. In 2014, Ray Rice got into an 36 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,680 elevator at a casino hotel in Atlantic City. 37 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:26,800 Ray Rice was an NFL player in 2014 and he punched his fiance 38 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:32,120 Janay Palmer in the elevator. He was indicted for 3rd degree 39 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:35,480 aggravated assault. He faced her two game 40 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:40,040 suspension, two games. His team management lobbied for 41 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:43,360 a lighter punishment from the NFL and they got it. 42 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:48,120 When the actual elevator video surfaced 5 months after all of 43 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:53,960 this happened and people were justifiably horrified, he was 44 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:57,680 eventually terminated from the team and he filed for a wrongful 45 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:02,720 termination suit for 3.5 million and it's estimated that he got 46 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:08,040 most of it, most of $3.5 million. 47 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,760 To look at these questions today we have a special guest, a 48 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:16,200 regular cricket fan from Twitter, YBC girl and we have 49 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:19,120 Startalk who's a regular Co host on the PCC iPod. 50 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:24,280 I'll start with you YBC Girl. What are your thoughts on how 51 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,320 this has been handled through sports and the Ashdale case in 52 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:32,320 particular? So hello everybody, this is my 53 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:38,480 first time on PCCI podcast and I wanted to express my opinion 54 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:45,200 exclusively because I have been supporting RCB and I fully 55 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:50,560 expected them to take some action regarding such serious 56 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:54,960 allegations. But they have not only not 57 00:03:55,000 --> 00:04:00,240 addressed anything regarding their own player, but they also 58 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:03,480 retained him without any explanation to the fans when 59 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:08,640 they have time and again said that fans are the heart of this 60 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:14,680 franchise. So I recently found out that one 61 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:18,600 of my football, one of my friends who is also vivid 62 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:25,320 football fan which I am not. He openly told me that these 63 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:30,920 thought of abusers, I mean play players being abusers and then 64 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:34,840 the franchises or clubs sweeping them under the rug just so they 65 00:04:34,840 --> 00:04:37,160 can play them is very common in football. 66 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:41,840 Which I admit I did not know a lot about and I still don't 67 00:04:41,840 --> 00:04:46,960 know. But seeing how closely the fans 68 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:51,840 are connected, especially to this franchise, I do expect them 69 00:04:51,840 --> 00:04:56,000 to be a little more sensitive regarding such serious 70 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:59,880 allegations. I mean, at first when the first 71 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:04,880 delegation came again as Istaya, even I was willing to give him a 72 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:09,120 little benefit of the doubt because there have been 73 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:15,000 instances where women don't understand or women think 74 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:20,360 themselves direct victims of sexual assault when that is not 75 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:25,200 the case. But rather different approach 76 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:26,920 has been taken in the relationship. 77 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:33,360 And once it turns, Sir, there have been instances that people 78 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:37,480 use this as a front to take revenge against their exists or 79 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,160 so. But when the second allegation 80 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:43,000 came, which is a Foxer case, which is much, much more 81 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:50,320 serious, I do expect people, the franchise, especially BCCI, who 82 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:55,560 have been so quick to exclude Mustafa Rahman for just being 83 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:02,160 citizen of Bangladesh when they don't give any accountability 84 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:06,960 for their own players being accused of such serious 85 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:10,720 allegations. So it is not that the BCCI or 86 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:14,480 the franchises are not capable of taking action, but that they 87 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:19,520 choose not to because they don't think that women or minors are 88 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:24,160 important enough for them to investigate or take any action. 89 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:28,200 On one hand, you're preaching about making women's cricket 90 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:34,640 more prominent or making cricket more inclusive, but on the other 91 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:38,440 hand, when you have players with such serious allegations on 92 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:43,160 them, you completely disregard anything you can do, which you 93 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:46,520 clearly are capable of, but just don't care about it. 94 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:50,480 So this is something I think we need to talk about much more 95 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:52,400 seriously. It's all Richard. 96 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:52,960 Thank you. Yeah. 97 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:58,560 I feel like in the light of the Mustafizur action, it just looks 98 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:02,840 so much worse, right? This whole thing, you can take 99 00:07:02,840 --> 00:07:07,360 action in this situation and the poxo case, like not taking any 100 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:10,400 action after poxo case has been levied against someone and the 101 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:14,040 poxo court judge has not granted bail. 102 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:19,520 I feel like this, this, there's not a lot that can be said after 103 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:23,480 that, right. And what's been interesting is 104 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,480 when I looked up the news, because he's been granted jail 105 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:31,080 by sorry, he's been granted bail by the High Court, judge said a 106 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:37,840 lot of the headlines have said, oh, good news for RCB as as an 107 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:41,040 RCB fan, Sarthak, do you have any comments on this? 108 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:47,000 No, I mean in any and as an RCB fan and as a male, I think that 109 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:54,080 is there's a perspective that I kind of have that, that from a 110 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:57,520 from the privilege of sitting afar from this right of of 111 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:02,840 seeing something like this and being able to being able to kind 112 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:04,680 of draw the line at this is terrible. 113 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:09,480 Whereas people whose lives get affected or people who you know 114 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:12,120 relate to those whose lives get affected, they feel it much more 115 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,480 deeply, naturally. So while the one of the first 116 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:21,040 reactions, right, you rightly said YB that they're capable of 117 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,080 taking action. For example, had there been a 118 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:29,360 match fixing case, they, they would have immediately suspended 119 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:32,440 him. Had there been, had there been 120 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:37,320 any other case, the suspensions and the at the very least 121 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:40,840 suspended. If you don't want to completely 122 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:44,200 banish him, you know, take him out of your roster, whatever it 123 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:47,520 is, this suspended inclusion, just say that until it is 124 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:49,520 solved, you can't play, you can't play cricket. 125 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:55,920 So just at the very least doing that, not not doing that. 126 00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:00,840 Regardless of what happened with Mustafizur, even if the most of 127 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,720 his situation hadn't happened, it still looks terrible because 128 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:12,000 the cases are not want on, you know, just jilted lover's case. 129 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:17,440 This is sexual assault and there is a seriousness to which every 130 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:21,280 such case deserves to be taken. The correct legal proceedings 131 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:23,640 have to be followed, which I guess we're not in the position 132 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:25,320 to comment on whether they are following or not. 133 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:28,280 But the way they have gone about it, the way they've gone to 134 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:31,680 almost cocoon him and protect him and try to steer the 135 00:09:31,680 --> 00:09:34,120 discourse otherwise. And which I rightly, rightly 136 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:37,800 said that, you know, the headlines say so much about how 137 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:41,720 we think of such cases as fans sitting from afar where we look 138 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:47,840 at it as Key Hamara, Larka Bhatia, That says a lot about 139 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:49,840 us. But the onus is completely on 140 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:55,200 the franchise, on the board, which in this is where the most 141 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:58,280 of the thing comes in. It's very quick to, you know, 142 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:02,560 step in and play. The school headmaster of Novika 143 00:10:02,560 --> 00:10:06,320 won the league because, you know, the political party 144 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:09,800 doesn't want presiding government, doesn't want players 145 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:11,720 of a certain country in the league. 146 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:16,960 But when it comes to a case like this, and he Yash will not be 147 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:20,160 the first of the last to get this treatment, next time 148 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:23,800 something like this happens, it will unfortunately follow the 149 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:27,200 same part. Because like why we said that a 150 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:30,360 litany of such cases have come up. 151 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:32,720 I'm a football fan. I've seen all this. 152 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:37,960 There are big names who are admitted, you know, who have 153 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:40,680 admitted to guilt but who walked away Scott free. 154 00:10:40,680 --> 00:10:44,800 So yeah, it's it's, I mean, as a man, I can say it's very sad and 155 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:51,960 ended, but it's sad doesn't begin to begin to describe how 156 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:58,680 terrible a precedent it sets and how how poorly it shows RCB and 157 00:10:58,680 --> 00:11:01,560 BCCI. And if you look at the power 158 00:11:01,560 --> 00:11:05,280 imbalance, right, this is somebody who's reasonably well 159 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:08,240 known. He's not exactly, he's not 160 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:11,120 exactly a household name everywhere in India. 161 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:14,160 But you know, he's a player in the IPL, He's played like 162 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:15,720 regularly for the last few years. 163 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:19,440 We all know of him. And if you follow cricket, you 164 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:23,840 will know his name. Someone like that can apply a 165 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:27,680 lot of pressure on the system and there is a huge power 166 00:11:27,680 --> 00:11:31,360 imbalance here. So even though generally I as a 167 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:36,000 rule don't like cases that are filed against say promise of 168 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:43,080 marriage as as like an accusation, right. 169 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:46,160 So the promise of marriage, I don't like those kind of cases 170 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:48,960 as much. But I understand where they come 171 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:53,280 from, like in India and certain places like that carries a lot 172 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:56,920 of weight and that is something that can be misused and that. 173 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:02,240 But I recognize that when a case is filed, that means you are, 174 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:07,360 you're taking a risk as a person when you file an assault case, 175 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:10,720 that there's a lot of stigma attached to it. 176 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:14,000 And if your name becomes public or your family's name becomes 177 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:17,720 public, it you carry that stigma with you for the rest of your 178 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:22,600 life like it can, it can ensure a lot of devastation for you and 179 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:27,440 your family down the line. And that is why I take like 180 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:29,640 every case seriously. That does not mean that I 181 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:31,640 believe in the allegations right away. 182 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:36,480 Like I, I do want there to be proper recourse of law for this 183 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:40,280 case, but I understand that there's a huge power imbalance 184 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:43,480 from the person who's filing the case in this place and that we 185 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:45,200 should take all of them seriously. 186 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:50,640 And the BCCI should, yes, at least when the second case was 187 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:54,760 filed, the poxo case should have like banned him from being in 188 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:57,120 this league. Like there is no reason for you 189 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:01,400 to carry a player or to continue employing a player who's been 190 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:05,280 accused in a foxhole case. That is much far too serious. 191 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,360 And you're risking the well-being of your players in 192 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:10,960 their families. Like this guy is going to be in 193 00:13:11,560 --> 00:13:13,680 in the dressing room. He's going to be around the 194 00:13:13,680 --> 00:13:15,640 players and their families. He's going to be around other 195 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,360 people. There are RCB employees who are 196 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:22,640 women. You cannot, you cannot take a 197 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:24,440 risk. It's like you're, you're 198 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:26,920 disrespecting all of the people who work for you and your 199 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:29,840 franchise and all your other players by allowing something 200 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:32,960 like this, like a person like this to exist. 201 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:36,840 Especially if the allegations are so serious and so credible. 202 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:41,360 Like if you just switch like you said, like if, if it was a match 203 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:44,680 fixing allegation, they wouldn't have him anywhere near any 204 00:13:44,680 --> 00:13:46,680 player, right? They wouldn't have him anywhere 205 00:13:46,680 --> 00:13:48,840 near any stuff. Yeah, it would be. 206 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:55,120 Immediate that if this was match fixing ball tampering, violence 207 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:58,280 on the field, let's say he, you know, by mistake hit a player, 208 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:05,520 anything of that sort, like not just not just like actually the 209 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:09,000 the suspension would be immediate and immediate and 210 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:12,440 absolute. And the least you can do in such 211 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:15,680 a case is to say that we understand that it's a legal 212 00:14:15,680 --> 00:14:20,200 matter and the legal it has to be done through the legal force. 213 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:25,120 But because of the gravity of the case levelled against you, 214 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:30,760 the minimum we have to do is you cannot be played once you've run 215 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:34,640 the legal course, once you've proven to be innocent, the doors 216 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:39,200 are open, welcome back. But until until such a time that 217 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:45,080 that happens, given the the given the how high he is, the 218 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:49,800 the case is, there isn't a chance we can just turn a blind 219 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:51,880 eye to that. We can we cannot ignore it, 220 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:53,600 which they have done. Unfortunately. 221 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:57,360 There's a there's a stat that I want to read out. 222 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:00,360 I was there's a book called Whole Numbers and Half Truth by 223 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:05,040 Rupani S So India's own and in that she quotes India's only 224 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:07,720 source of statistics on crime is the National Crime Record 225 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:12,080 Bureau, which is the NCRB. Instead of all the Indian Penal 226 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:14,480 Code sections involved in the alleged crime making into the 227 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:20,200 statistics, the NCRB only picks the most heinous crime for each 228 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:25,400 FIR for the statistics. So every FIR that is filed, out 229 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:28,960 of all of them, the most heinous crimes are picked for the 230 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:33,120 National Crime registry. Now there is a sexual assault 231 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:35,560 case every quarter of an hour in India. 232 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:40,280 Most aren't reported. I think 18% by large count, 18% 233 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:45,880 are reported, 18% reported. And even from them a selection 234 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:47,640 are picked for the Crime Records Bureau. 235 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:52,800 In a country like that, when a case like the one that's been 236 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:56,720 levelled against Yashkans, it stops being a question of old. 237 00:15:56,720 --> 00:16:00,080 We don't know if this is actually happened or not sure. 238 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:05,200 But up until then, just, you can't just say that oh, like it 239 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:07,520 doesn't matter. Let it let it run it's course. 240 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:12,080 So that's just shocking. And you know, the, the fans will 241 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:16,400 come after us in the comments and use the very familiar and, 242 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:20,600 you know, overused trope of innocent until he's proven 243 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:25,560 guilty, which are heavy words. But, and they hold weight. 244 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:29,720 But they hold weight when there is a proper legal 'cause that 245 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:34,480 the accuser and the accused both go through when they are going 246 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,200 through it. By all means he's innocent until 247 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:40,720 he's proven guilty. But the accused is net 248 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,080 practicing at his home, preparing to play IPL. 249 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:47,920 The accused will be played paid in 1,000,000 by their franchise 250 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:53,840 and most accused in India. And like all the influential 251 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:57,440 accused across the world and at least athletes, they don't, they 252 00:16:57,440 --> 00:16:59,480 don't even go through legal recourse. 253 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:03,680 Like to take an example, I'm a United fan and in the summer of 254 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,680 2021, Cristiano Ronaldo joined United. 255 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:10,040 He came back to United after a long spell where he had left for 256 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:11,720 Madrid and went to Juventus and what not. 257 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:14,640 Essentially. And this remains to me in my 258 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:18,720 life on the saddest days as a United fan and I had Microsoft, 259 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:24,720 my formative adult years, he had lit up United, he became the 260 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:26,240 world's best player there and so on and so forth. 261 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:30,520 Ronaldo is an admitted rapist Today he's out of jail because 262 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:34,080 the the way his doc, the documents were found where he 263 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:37,160 had spoken to his interviewer when his case was on against 264 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:40,480 Catherine Mayorga. The incident happened in 2009 in 265 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,240 Las Vegas. The way the documents were taken 266 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:47,000 out, the way the evidence was taken out, that is not perm like 267 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:51,080 submissible in court. So by that tech technicality, 268 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:54,560 he's out for 10-12 years. He did not even visit the US. 269 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:59,120 And there's a difference between the case has been shut and him 270 00:17:59,120 --> 00:18:02,400 being innocent. The latter is objectively not 271 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:06,800 true and there are hundreds of millions of Ronaldo fanboys. 272 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:11,360 I happen to write an article and in the comment section I was 273 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:14,400 threatened with everything between death and sexual 274 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:15,720 assault. And this is not about me. 275 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:19,960 What I'm trying to show illustrate is our reaction to 276 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:21,840 these things, which says a lot about us. 277 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:25,360 Where our reaction when A-Team we support their player or a 278 00:18:25,360 --> 00:18:29,200 player we really like, they are accused of anything like that. 279 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,480 Our response is not just discomfort. 280 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:35,480 That would be very natural that this person we like so much. 281 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:37,240 How can we be guilty of such a crime? 282 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:42,200 Our response is to accuse the other person of on fabricating 283 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:45,880 this. So Ronaldo is there, Kobe Bryant 284 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:50,000 is there and, you know, legends of the sport, but sexual 285 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:51,920 assault. And it's very important to call 286 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:53,880 that out. I mean, just because you scored 287 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:56,520 a million goals, that doesn't mean you didn't do this. 288 00:18:56,520 --> 00:19:01,160 You should be in jail. And the way that Ronaldo's clubs 289 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:04,720 kept protecting him because they knew that we need to keep him on 290 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:07,520 the pitch. Losing Ronaldo means losing the 291 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:09,520 best player in the world at that time or one of the two best 292 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:13,680 players in the world. And even you never protect him. 293 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:18,120 And that was so sad. A younger player got the videos 294 00:19:18,120 --> 00:19:21,400 came out of there being assault and again, Mason Greenwood, he 295 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:23,320 was protected. Thomas party was protected by 296 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:26,840 Arsenal. And this is just so regular in 297 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:28,440 football and in every other sport. 298 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:33,640 So it's you should at all points expect better from your team, 299 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:35,920 which I was bought your support like following. 300 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:40,840 But what is also very true is down to the person. 301 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,400 It's a men's club and they'll protect them. 302 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:45,400 They'll protect. They'll do everything to 303 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,160 protect. It's just it's how they work. 304 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:51,640 Yeah. I, I don't even, I don't even 305 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:54,920 know to know what to say. Like is there something in men's 306 00:19:54,920 --> 00:20:00,000 sports that because it's so much of A men's club like that 307 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,960 they're trying to protect one of their own? 308 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:06,080 I just, I just don't know because this, this kind, I don't 309 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:09,600 think this is tolerated in too many other places, like in most 310 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,480 workplaces that I have been in, right? 311 00:20:13,120 --> 00:20:16,360 We have sexual harassment panels to deal with these kinds of 312 00:20:16,360 --> 00:20:20,040 cases. You have, you know, you have 313 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:23,040 your human resources, which they're not always great, but 314 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:26,880 there, there is some kind of a structure in place to help you, 315 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:31,520 to help handle these kinds of situations where more often than 316 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:36,000 not, like these are situations where it's kind of hard to find 317 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,880 evidence. It's not always easy unless you 318 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:44,480 have like visual or material proof to prove out these cases. 319 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:49,720 And most of the times if you see a pattern or you have you see 320 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:53,240 multiple cases like that is generally considered evidence 321 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:57,400 enough to stop further employment or at least, you 322 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,920 know, take the person away from their victims. 323 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:05,600 But I don't, I don't see like in such a large structure like that 324 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:09,800 of the BCCI, the richest board in the world, Like, why isn't 325 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:11,680 there any kind of a structure to deal with this? 326 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,520 Like why aren't there any panels that are looking into this case? 327 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:18,760 Why isn't UCP taking action? Sorry, I, I, I'll let you in 328 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:22,800 while we speak about this, but I don't, I don't think a, a 19 329 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:24,480 year old Ranji cricketer survives this. 330 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:29,360 And this is obviously speculation, but I, I think a 19 331 00:21:29,360 --> 00:21:31,640 year old Ranji cricketer gets immediately thrown to the 332 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:33,800 wolves. That OK, we are going to make an 333 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:37,360 example out of that. And when Mason Greenwood 334 00:21:37,360 --> 00:21:41,880 happened, I, I wrote another piece which also got the same 335 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:45,720 reaction. And the, the, the essence was he 336 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:47,720 was not as important as a Cristiano. 337 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,840 The world will bend over to support Cristiano. 338 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:54,680 When Neil Gaiman's report came out, the details were so 339 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:56,720 terrible. Like your heart sank while 340 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:58,080 reading the Neil Gaiman's report. 341 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:02,440 And it was 1 long piece, right? It was one incident after the 342 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:03,640 next incident, one after the other. 343 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:08,800 And this is somebody you had read through childhood into 344 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:10,400 adulthood, through your formative years. 345 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,160 And a lot of the reaction was know this can't be true. 346 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,840 And the complexity is understandable from a personal 347 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:19,800 perspective because this is somebody you love. 348 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,120 And now suddenly you're being told that somebody you love is 349 00:22:23,120 --> 00:22:25,840 essentially a criminal capable of such a terrible thing. 350 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:30,720 But the legal response to this is is what is wild. 351 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:34,040 So sport, the more important you are, the more you're protected, 352 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,920 the less important you are, the easier it is to throw you into 353 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,560 the holes. So yeah, you guys go for it. 354 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:43,960 But I, I hold a strong feeling that if Yash and this we are 355 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,320 like, just to set the record clear, we're still Speaking of 356 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:50,400 Yash in, in light of the cases levelled against him. 357 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:55,040 We, we are not calling him a legitimate criminal. 358 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,440 We're speaking on the perspective of the cases 359 00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,800 levelled against him and the seriousness of the gravity of 360 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:06,560 those cases. So like any anyone younger, not 361 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,840 important, just getting into even the IPL, maybe a young 362 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:13,280 player under nineteens player, I think they would have been 363 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,600 suspended without doubt. What do you guys think I. 364 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:21,120 Let our guest come in. So one very interesting 365 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:28,000 perspective I have encountered repeatedly on Twitter is fans. 366 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:34,280 RCB fans men obviously saying what you mentioned are that the 367 00:23:34,360 --> 00:23:36,600 innocent until guilt proven guilty. 368 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:44,400 True, but they are very averse to the idea of dividing a man 369 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:48,400 accused of boxer case of employment for three months 370 00:23:49,120 --> 00:23:54,160 rather than considering the fact that a woman, multiple women 371 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,720 might have been traumatized for life and their lives. 372 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:04,360 If he is allowed to be free and influential as he is now would 373 00:24:04,360 --> 00:24:09,040 be affected a lot more. I mean one franchise releasing 374 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:12,000 you cannot be that life changing right? 375 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:16,200 RCB released living Liam Livingstone has his life 376 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:17,720 stopped? No, it's. 377 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:18,880 An admission of guilt? Yeah. 378 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,440 By be the moment you release this admission of guilt, that's 379 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,600 where they stop, no? It doesn't have to be. 380 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:28,600 That is what I said earlier, that the franchise can at least 381 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:32,080 take accountability that what you mentioned. 382 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:36,840 It doesn't mean that you're putting the cage of guilt on 383 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:38,960 him. It just means that you would 384 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:44,760 like him to clear, clear the legal process and then they 385 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:46,840 would have no objections hiring him back. 386 00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:50,960 How is this any different from any other corporate structure? 387 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,760 Yeah. So actually you may you raise a 388 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:58,680 really good point that this is him continuing to play while 389 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:03,720 he's under this case actually leads to potentially his power 390 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,760 even increasing in this situation, the power 391 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:10,840 differential getting even worse. Especially because this is RCB 392 00:25:11,120 --> 00:25:17,560 now a lot of people also ask me why are you mad that RCB retain 393 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,760 him? Because if he went to auction 394 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:21,400 some of the franchise would buy him. 395 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,800 How is this any different? I'll tell you why it's 396 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,960 different. Lauren Bell as you know might 397 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:33,640 have joined, as you might know, has joined RCB very recently and 398 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:39,720 with just a few matches she has gained millions of followers, 399 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:46,360 more than a lot of senior men's players would gain in playing 400 00:25:46,360 --> 00:25:51,040 for 10 years. So everybody knows that RCB 401 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:56,880 franchise is followed and loved a lot more than even the other 402 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,480 successful franchises. It makes a difference because 403 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:05,040 it's RCB, because the casual audience go to the stadiums or 404 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:09,720 just watch it on TV, don't follow the news on or engage on 405 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,760 Twitter. They don't know the allegations 406 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:14,160 alleged against. Yes, they are. 407 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:18,680 They all they know is that this is a guy playing for their 408 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,640 franchise. They are going to love him just 409 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,040 like they love any other player playing for RCB. 410 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,160 They're going to support him just like they support any other 411 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:31,880 player playing for RCB. That is why RCB is different and 412 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,800 none of these fans are admitting that fact. 413 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:41,640 They just care about him being in the team, him fulfilling the 414 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,680 criteria of a left arm pace bowler. 415 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:51,240 But most people, 99% people are not willing to look through what 416 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:56,640 the cost of not taking these allegations seriously is or what 417 00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:03,480 precedent it sets in the cricket world where at least as of now 418 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:09,800 we don't have players who have abuse allegations as rampant as 419 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:14,120 football. But if the boards do nothing, 420 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:21,120 then other people, other men especially, will take it as an I 421 00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:27,240 mean there is no decent decent dissensitive to not engage in 422 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,080 their behavior when they see other people are not getting 423 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,840 punished for it. I think first thing that India 424 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,520 also needs is a players association and like that 425 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,640 includes the men and the women because what that will do is 426 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,600 give the players a bit of autonomy to kind of push back 427 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,720 against a lot of the decisions that are taken at an 428 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,360 organizational level between RCV and BCCI. 429 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,440 Also regarding the auction bid, I mean, just because you're 430 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,880 seeing 5 people litter the streets, that doesn't mean you 431 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,280 also should litter the street, right? 432 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,840 I mean, it's not an excuse that, OK, somebody else would have 433 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:00,720 picked. How does it matter? 434 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:05,360 You, you have the choice to be, you know, do the morally that do 435 00:28:05,360 --> 00:28:07,920 morally the right thing and you chose to not do it. 436 00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:15,040 So that is 1 And and secondly, I mean, I don't want to paint 437 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:20,360 Twitter with a broad brush, but to expect model fiber on Twitter 438 00:28:20,360 --> 00:28:24,520 is to expect the shark to beat Vishwanathananda chess. 439 00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:27,960 It's it's the same. I think the shark has a better 440 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,440 chance of beating Vishy at chess. 441 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:38,640 So look, fans use I've, I've long held the belief that now 442 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,200 that social media has given us anonymity and now that social 443 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,680 media has given us a way to broadcast all of our feelings to 444 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:49,280 the entire world, we use the excuse of we are emotional as 445 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,080 fans, which is a very fair thing to have you, for you to be 446 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,760 emotional about your team. We use that as an excuse to 447 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:57,720 engage in the worst possible behaviour. 448 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,960 That means that when a player does well, we rate their comment 449 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,040 section on Instagram. We rate their partners comment 450 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,680 section on Instagram. You go to any cricket, male 451 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,840 cricketers wives, their comment sections are always he's 452 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,280 directly mutual comment section. Go and check it out right now. 453 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,800 Similarly, Travis Head's wives had to block her comments. 454 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:24,320 I remember was it great cricketer Ian Higgins's partner 455 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,080 had to block her comments because they were getting his. 456 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,320 Ex-girlfriend who he wasn't in touch with. 457 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:35,080 Yes, so we, we just use emotion to engage in the worst possible 458 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,800 behavior. Very proud of it that this is 459 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,960 what we do. So it's very easy to say for me. 460 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,400 Like I, I keep repeating as a man, it's very easy to say for 461 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,120 me. But in these situations, the 462 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:52,120 comment section or the mentions tab of your Twitter profile is 463 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:58,360 legitimately a gutter. And because you will find the 464 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,840 like, it's what essentially what Sara Waris, what happened to 465 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,520 Sara Waris, right with this, with this article on Bangladesh 466 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,120 where she was just trying to objectively paint the picture 467 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,120 of, hey, this is what the situation is. 468 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,040 She's a reporter. It's a bloody job to do that. 469 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:19,800 Her job is not to be a fangirl of a team or more importantly, a 470 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,760 political party or a private organization like the BCL. 471 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:27,880 She painted a picture as she saw it and the whole world descended 472 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,160 on her and it wasn't ever obviously a critique of oh, we 473 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:35,160 don't agree, which would be a very fair discourse to have 474 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:39,360 regardless of how you agree that, OK, we don't think we RCB 475 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:43,560 should suspend based on these technicalities or, OK, can we do 476 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,000 a different thing because he hasn't been tried in court? 477 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,320 You know, can we discuss the legalities within which what are 478 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,960 the legal options RCB has? Or a very fair question would 479 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:58,760 be, you know, does yes, they all have the legal right to play 480 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,720 within the RCB. Play with an RCB until he's not 481 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:08,720 legally considered guilty. Those discourses would still be 482 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,120 as grim as they are. They will still be within the 483 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,840 bounds of, OK, I'm trying to have a conversation with you. 484 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,720 But what you get on Twitter, on social media essentially is this 485 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:28,000 mob of Hamare and I mean for God's sakes man, you both know 486 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,960 this. India is a country where marital 487 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:36,160 rape is not considered rape. So, so the lessons, I mean how 488 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:40,200 what do you even say about that? So I am not least bit surprised 489 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,040 to what the reaction to this they all has been. 490 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:48,120 And now imagine someone slightly imagine the Christianos and the 491 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:52,360 Kobe's of cricket, Indian cricket especially, ever 492 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:56,640 getting, you know, ever getting involved in such a case. 493 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:02,440 Hell would break loose and I have no doubt that the victim's 494 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,080 life would be made hell. I have 0 doubt about that. 495 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,520 Can can you even imagine like somebody making a case against 496 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,400 like cricketing gods in our country? 497 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:17,160 I I, I don't think like, I can't even imagine what would happen 498 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,760 to the kind of person I've. I've, I've made this point with 499 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:24,040 a couple of friends. We as Indian cricket fans have 500 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:28,400 been very lucky that most of the gods who this country has had 501 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,160 have been actually really nice people. 502 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:38,080 And sure, I mean, nice people is never like Neil Gaiman was also 503 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,120 a nice guy. So I mean, it's only so much of 504 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,640 A filter. But in so far as such a thing 505 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:49,760 comes, we've been very lucky that none of them are Dicks in 506 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,440 the way that a lot of other athletes of the highest caliber 507 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,040 can be. For the last couple of 508 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,520 generations, 3-4 generations, they've been really good people. 509 00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,960 You can like one person, not like the other person. 510 00:32:59,960 --> 00:33:04,360 That's cool. But if such a day comes where 511 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:09,080 one of the biggest names gets involved in some of this, Oh my 512 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,080 God, I feel for the victim already. 513 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,440 Because the instant reaction would be no, she wants fame and 514 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,840 she wants his money, which is what happened with Hardik's 515 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:22,760 wife, which is what happened with Chehel's wife. 516 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,480 And it's it's going to happen with Chehel's now ex or whatever 517 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:33,720 that stuff is happening there. So yeah, I mean it's the the. 518 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:39,000 Wife thing, if we, if we dig into the wife thing or the 519 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,680 ex-wife thing, I mean, I just don't understand. 520 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:47,120 You can see that this is this is a bad relationship. 521 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:48,920 This is a relationship that has gone sour. 522 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,880 In all of these cases, you're only hearing from one side. 523 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:56,280 Only one side has a microphone and can defend themselves. 524 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,680 The other side is not. In Hardwick's case, at least, 525 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:04,280 his wife was a well known name in, in the case of Chahal's 526 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:08,000 case, in Shikhar Dhawan's case, like you just hear these 527 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,920 cricketers talking trash about their partners and it's, it's 528 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,560 disgusting. And The thing is that they're 529 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:19,400 getting support from social media, which is it's, it's even 530 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,679 more gross. But you know your point about 531 00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:24,199 the players association, That was a really good one because I 532 00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:27,880 looked into like the NFL clearly had handled this case badly, the 533 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,280 Ray Rice case. So they came back. 534 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,560 They actually hired a special prosecutor from the New York DA 535 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,760 who assisted them on how to handle these cases. 536 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:43,360 So the NFL had specifically a domestic violence problem, not 537 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,320 purely it's it's a little bit different. 538 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:51,199 But you know, here's what happens for a first time 539 00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:54,159 offense, it's an automatic sixth match ban. 540 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:58,960 OK, now in the NFL that's that's huge for the season. 541 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,760 Like your team, you will not keep someone on the roster if 542 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:06,040 they're not going to be present for six matches, right? 543 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,160 It's it becomes like a specific calculation. 544 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,400 And if you have a second offence, if you're found guilty 545 00:35:13,720 --> 00:35:17,800 for a second, for a second time, you would you could get up to a 546 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,360 lifetime man. OK. 547 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:24,240 Now, before this policy went into effect, these are horrific 548 00:35:24,240 --> 00:35:28,000 numbers. You would have an average of 69 549 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:29,760 domestic violence cases per year. 550 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:34,840 But after this policy came into effect, it came down to 34 551 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,520 domestic violence cases per year, an average of that. 552 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,880 Now, 34 is not a number to scoff at it. 553 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,440 It's it's a horrible, ghastly number of domestic violences per 554 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,440 year. But it is still trending in the 555 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:48,920 right direction. It's come down. 556 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,560 This is where you can see like just having like a standard 557 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,800 operating procedure for how to handle certain cases, you know, 558 00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:02,960 you know, harassment, sexual violence, criminal cases, all 559 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:08,280 there is just it just looks so much better and it's definitely 560 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:14,440 trending in the right direction. Why is it so difficult for IPL 561 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:18,320 employers like RCB to have a system like that? 562 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,320 Why can't they just say OK because. 563 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:25,320 It would be taking of your cricketers that it is the same 564 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,720 reason why India doesn't have a director of cricket system is 565 00:36:28,720 --> 00:36:33,560 because India's forever Indian cricket has been, it has not 566 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,200 been about the coach. It is OK. 567 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,640 Cricket is not a coach's game. But like the selection panel or 568 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,640 whatever in cricket has been driven by the cricketer, the 569 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:44,320 captain, the big name and from generations you've seen that 570 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,680 happen. So there will a never be a 571 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,720 director of cricket because that would mean diluting the power of 572 00:36:49,720 --> 00:36:52,720 the cricketer and saying that there is this person at the top. 573 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,760 They could be the greatest cricketer the country has known 574 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,400 but they are going to kind of handle how the cricket goes. 575 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,880 That's not true. I mean, it is well known that 576 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:03,920 captains are asked before certain things are done in this 577 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:08,640 country in terms of cricket. So the moment you have a 578 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:13,120 cricketers association, not at a country level, but even at an 579 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:14,960 IPL level, who will understand it? 580 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:19,760 Operating procedure like you said, that would decide OK cases 581 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:24,200 come depending on the gravity of the case, OK, It's something you 582 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,680 know based on OK violence or something small. 583 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,800 I'm I'm trying to choose a better word here. 584 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:37,000 You you kind of graded that the the the worse it is the degrees. 585 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,960 Of severity, yeah. Degrees of severity, the quicker 586 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,400 you're out of the door. And by out of the door, I mean 587 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,760 just suspended. So the reason Greenwood's case, 588 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:47,680 I keep bringing it up because Greenwood was immediately 589 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,840 suspended by United, and United wanted to bring him back. 590 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,040 And that's because he was United Academy product and United were 591 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,080 like, obviously they're protective about him. 592 00:37:57,720 --> 00:38:01,440 And it was so insane to see that the videos were there for 593 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:05,480 everyone to see, the audio was there for everyone to hear, the 594 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,400 pictures were there. And yet United bent over 595 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,800 backwards. They had a plan on reinstating 596 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,760 him after the suspension period was done. 597 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:17,280 Until the women's football team and women employees of the club 598 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,360 said there is no chance that is going to happen. 599 00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,240 Mason Greenwood will not play for Manchester United. 600 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,160 And then they were forced to sell in until that time, which 601 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,960 happened over a long, long time. That whole thing took a long 602 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:31,400 time. They wanted to bring him back. 603 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:37,320 And that is where you need a standard operating procedure as 604 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:41,280 to act the very least you can. Like you said with the NFL case, 605 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,960 you cannot be playing for us until you clear yourself. 606 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,320 You want to clear yourself. You think you're innocent, go 607 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,680 clear yourself. Such a case has been put against 608 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,560 you. Clear yourself walking back into 609 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:52,720 the door, You're playing the next match. 610 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:57,280 But until you're doing that, the case is so grievous. 611 00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:02,280 We can't take it lightly, but that that's how we look at 612 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,880 sexual assault in this country also now where we look at it as 613 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,200 ah, Matlab take. Care. 614 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,680 So do you remember in the Women's World Cup last year, 615 00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,440 after the England, Australia game where the Australian women 616 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:18,440 won indoor, there was, yeah, an indoor, basically the cleanest 617 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:23,320 city of India. 2 Australian cricketers reported that they 618 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,840 were sexually assaulted by a man. 619 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:31,920 And the state minister, a state minister, Kailash Vijaya, said 620 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,440 he thought it was fit to say that this was a lesson for both 621 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:41,160 the authorities and the players, implying that they shouldn't 622 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,800 have been out. Yeah, They shouldn't have been 623 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,120 out without security. I mean, what? 624 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,280 What are you going to say when this is how ministers think and 625 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,960 this is how they talk and I don't even know this is how they 626 00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,600 treat sexual violence. Kara Fujiwagi has quote read. 627 00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,240 Players must keep in mind when they leave their place, the 628 00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:02,040 security and local administration should be 629 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:03,800 informed. Cricket players are very 630 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,160 popular. They should also be careful when 631 00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,840 they go out to Rome. Essentially literally saying 632 00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:13,800 that you got molested on the streets in broad daylight. 633 00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:20,080 The fault, by the way, is yours. To quote a great philosopher of 634 00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:24,040 our times, criminal to crime karigahi, our body lick in it 635 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:28,320 like you galti ABK. We'll bring Viby into this 636 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,400 conversation. What do you think, Viby? 637 00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,040 Where are you at with these cases? 638 00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,040 I mean, there was a video that came out of Lauren Bell and a 639 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:40,280 bunch of RCB players going for a jog in Vadodara and some guy 640 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,600 just with a phone camera trailing them like this. 641 00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:44,320 And they were very uncomfortable, the players, 642 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,960 because initially they're like, OK, fine, fine, OK, just click. 643 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,640 But he wasn't leaving them. He was kind of just being like, 644 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,400 constantly. And they got a bit, you know, 645 00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:57,480 bit finicky with that. So that's where we're at. 646 00:40:58,080 --> 00:40:59,800 Why we talk to us. Yeah. 647 00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:06,760 I mean, as soon as I saw that video of Lauren Bell and Georgia 648 00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:11,400 Wall and one more player, they were out jogging and first 649 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:15,760 thought that came to my mind is, God, I hope they have security 650 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:19,880 with them. Because as as an Indian who have 651 00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:28,280 lived my life here, I know how how my parents panicked when I 652 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:33,120 just go out. So I live in Bangalore and I 653 00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:37,920 have for the past five years. But even now some, if I am out 654 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:42,440 late, my parents are slightly worried until I get home. 655 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:49,080 So that is the kind of state everybody knows what it is, what 656 00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:54,840 it is like for women in India to just go out for as simple as 657 00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,920 running in the morning or a walk at night. 658 00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:05,320 We can't and without feeling that, no, what if something 659 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:09,880 happens when we are out and adding to that, we have 660 00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:15,880 regressed much more in the past 10 years. 661 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:21,240 Definitely, I would say where ministers, MLAs of the ruling 662 00:42:21,240 --> 00:42:26,480 party are unabashedly blaming victims in their press 663 00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:31,560 conferences, in their statements to the media, and no action is 664 00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:37,680 taken, be it from the House that they represent or a party that 665 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,280 they represent, no action is taken. 666 00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:45,000 They're not even reprimanded. And everybody knows what 667 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,040 happened with Bridge Bhushan Singh, Yeah. 668 00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,040 Oh my God, I can I? Can I say what I found the 669 00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:53,600 funniest about the bridge? Bhushan Singh. 670 00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,400 OK, after the whole thing went, I mean not even found. 671 00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,240 Something funny, I mean. Oh, it was. 672 00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,880 Oh ho, OK. Now the whole forget the whole 673 00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,080 thing. I am going after the whole 674 00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,840 Vinesh situation has happened, cases happened, PT Usha LED 675 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,520 committee has come in and we are like OK PT Usha has come in, 676 00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,480 this will be great. And we are told that Bridge 677 00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,640 Bhushan will have to leave the WFI post. 678 00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:19,080 They are like thank you about time. 679 00:43:19,720 --> 00:43:22,480 Who comes in? Sanjay Singh, his 680 00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,560 brother-in-law, I think, or his clothes, essentially somebody 681 00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,080 from the family. The funny bit is they are still 682 00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,680 operating from his office. It is still Bridge Bhushan's 683 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,800 WFI. It is just not him on the 684 00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:39,760 plaque. So essentially after months of 685 00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,760 protests where the wrestlers literally were on the streets 686 00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:49,040 were I think 5 minutes away from literally putting their lives 687 00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:53,320 work of medals into the river. Our response to these athletes 688 00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,440 who we call Bharat Kagarv when they win an Olympic medal, 689 00:43:56,720 --> 00:44:00,440 despite the system that is, is to tell them keep Dekho your 690 00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,720 sexual assaulter. OK, we hear you. 691 00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:08,000 But is it OK if he's does isn't chief guest, but he's deputy 692 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,120 chief guest. Chief guest will be assaulter ka 693 00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:15,520 brothers essentially same thing. It was such a beautiful 694 00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:21,840 illustration of Indian sport, Indian men and how India 695 00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:26,280 protects his men and how India thinks of sexual assault as a 696 00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:30,960 thing. And had there been a collective 697 00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:35,920 shock at this, that this is not like the number of cases that 698 00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:39,560 came against Bridge Bush, the number of people who spoke out 699 00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:41,800 and the seriousness of that claim. 700 00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,200 Had there been a shock that we can't brought this under the 701 00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:46,520 carpet? You realize what we're talking 702 00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:48,560 about here. It is not that Bridge Bush had 703 00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,800 screamed at 3 plays. That would be fine. 704 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,680 OK, fine. It's not good conduct. 705 00:44:53,240 --> 00:44:56,720 This is not that he's asking for sexual favours and he's, you 706 00:44:56,720 --> 00:44:58,360 know, there's sexual harassment happening here. 707 00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,880 Our thing was we are OK just to figure it out. 708 00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:03,240 Just give it to someone in the family. 709 00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:10,320 And to me, that was the epitome of like, indifference and almost 710 00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:14,320 insult to a woman athlete and essentially women. 711 00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:18,280 I guess that, yeah, I get you're here, but I mean, this is how 712 00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,040 much we get. I don't even tell you how much 713 00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:25,280 this this has happened at every single level of Indian society 714 00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,200 and at every single level of sport. 715 00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,960 So I grew up playing all sorts of different sports. 716 00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,200 I have friends who've played different sports. 717 00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,600 One of them has gone on to the nationals in tennis and you 718 00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:41,200 know, another one has gone had gone on to at the national level 719 00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,600 in a martial arts. And, you know, lots of them, 720 00:45:45,240 --> 00:45:50,160 almost all of them actually have stories of coaches that are 721 00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:54,840 verbally abusive, physically abusive, and in some cases 722 00:45:54,840 --> 00:46:00,000 sexually abusive. And you know, coaches when 723 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:04,040 you're young girls and you don't know that much like we don't go 724 00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:07,120 through rigorous sexual education. 725 00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:11,040 We don't go through that from our families as much as we 726 00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,080 should, from our schools as much as we should. 727 00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:16,520 When you're in a position where there is a figure of authority 728 00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:20,680 and you're a child and you're you put your trust into your 729 00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:25,360 coach, your coach is like AI wouldn't say like a parent, but 730 00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,160 a parental figure at least, right. 731 00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:30,800 For a lot of people, their coaches are like even athletes 732 00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,320 when they do really well at the international stage, a lot of 733 00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,200 them talk about their childhood coaches and the reverence that 734 00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,080 they have had the positions that they have had in their lives. 735 00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:43,000 And these people continue to coach. 736 00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:49,720 I know someone who's who was a coach for a specific sport and 737 00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:53,360 the parents complained about him because he would ask 738 00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:57,320 inappropriate questions to all of the women who were playing 739 00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,720 that sport. All of the young girls at that 740 00:46:59,720 --> 00:47:03,040 time were playing that sport and he continued to be employed by a 741 00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:09,080 famous by famous agency and a training center that continued 742 00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:13,560 to coach the same same girl. Sorry to. 743 00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:15,280 Interrupt This is sorry to interrupt. 744 00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,040 This is after complaints were raised against this person. 745 00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,600 Yes, this is after complaints were raised against this person. 746 00:47:21,720 --> 00:47:26,360 Yeah, cool. So you see that growing up and 747 00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:29,280 you understand, like women's participation in sports, it 748 00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,680 drops off after a point of time. Like there are other societal 749 00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:36,240 reasons for this, but also like if your coaching structure is 750 00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:39,280 built like this, how can you feel safe within that structure? 751 00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,880 How can you excel at sports within that structure? 752 00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:44,480 I agree. I agree. 753 00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:45,480 Why? Why? 754 00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:52,520 What do you think have like? Yeah, essentially it is telling 755 00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:57,720 women that they they have no agency over their bodies, right. 756 00:47:58,240 --> 00:48:03,760 If you so much as they're to step out of your very confirmed 757 00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:09,640 traditional role to just raise your kids at home or just be a 758 00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:14,880 wife or a doctor in the family and you dare to step out to make 759 00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:19,040 a career or to pursue your interest, you just lose all 760 00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:23,600 agency of your of your body. I mean, what else is the message 761 00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:29,800 behind saying when you come out, you have to be careful because 762 00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,520 men can't help themselves? What? 763 00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,440 What exactly are we equating men to here? 764 00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,960 Because, you know, what's that saying? 765 00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:43,480 Even the wild animals only hunt when they're actually hungry. 766 00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:48,640 Not just. But when we talk about women and 767 00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:56,160 what, what indifference they experience daily and repeatedly, 768 00:48:56,720 --> 00:48:59,960 we don't show any empathy. Yeah, yeah. 769 00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:07,120 And coming back to our initial topic, I mean, where we started 770 00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:12,840 that sporting bodies, they preach all they, they can preach 771 00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:17,680 all they want about inclusion, equality, equal pay grade. 772 00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:25,360 But if you're not providing a forum of safety or at least a 773 00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:31,400 venue to address the safety concerns, then there is no point 774 00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:37,400 in doing all the public relations about inclusion 775 00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,720 inequality. Because essentially, if women 776 00:49:40,720 --> 00:49:46,400 don't feel safe in the 1st place to be where they want to be or 777 00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:52,200 to exhibit their skill, then what good Is all this money that 778 00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:58,480 you throw at women's sports or make it seem like you're 779 00:49:59,960 --> 00:50:02,040 promoting women's sports? Good. 780 00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:05,880 For yeah, essentially, if you want to encourage women's 781 00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:11,480 participation in sports and you cannot ensure like like an 782 00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,120 environment that biases towards safety. 783 00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,920 I I don't know what what do you expect? 784 00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:22,640 Like this is all just, you know, one of my favorite places. 785 00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:28,160 If it's lipstick on a big right, like what are you doing? 786 00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:30,560 It's. It's also, I feel societal, I 787 00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:33,000 mean, no one would know this better than you guys, but it's, 788 00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:38,960 it's also, I feel it's a reflection of who we are because 789 00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:43,200 a societal push back against this would have also reflected 790 00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:46,840 in the organizations deeming it unacceptable. 791 00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:51,840 A murder would be unacceptable. Cheating, match fixing and 792 00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:55,560 cheating is deemed unacceptable. This is not. 793 00:50:55,720 --> 00:51:00,200 And that's a reflection that we are a uncomfortable topic of 794 00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:05,200 talking about it and B, we just do not take these cases 795 00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:08,280 seriously enough. That's a reflection of the 796 00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,120 sexual assault numbers in the country. 797 00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:16,000 That's the reflection on how many people, women obviously 798 00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:19,480 mostly go through sexual harassment on a daily basis. 799 00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:23,120 This is a reflection on the kind of judgments that the Supreme 800 00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:27,760 Court and high courts give on things like marital rape. 801 00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:32,840 And this is how we like why. We also said this is how we 802 00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:36,480 think of women's agencies. I will not name anybody here. 803 00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:41,320 There's somebody I know who found out that their husband has 804 00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:45,800 been cheating on them for five, 6-7 years, whatever, And they 805 00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,360 found it out and they were very angry about it, obviously. 806 00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:51,600 And, you know, they were like, this is just though, this is, 807 00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:55,080 and they had kids together. They had a couple of kids, 2-3 808 00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:59,040 kids over there and their mental life. 809 00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:03,200 And they were like, OK, no, this is though, let's call it off. 810 00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:08,080 This is you've crossed the line and the mother-in-law of this 811 00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:13,000 person came up to her and, you know, sat her down and be like, 812 00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:22,280 you know, let's call him a a, you know, a has that thing of, 813 00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:24,720 you know, he women like him, he likes women. 814 00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:30,120 So consider it as just a throwaway mistake. 815 00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:35,680 And that was the line fed to this married woman by another 816 00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,760 married woman. He consider it a mistake. 817 00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:42,960 And this is 6-7 years of chief outside marriage when you have 818 00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,040 when you're, you know, taking care of three kids. 819 00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:50,640 So it is, it is such a reflection of if you took it 820 00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:55,000 seriously, if you took women's agency seriously, forget 821 00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:58,000 everything else, agency seriously, you would see a very 822 00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:01,360 different reaction. I feel like even, you know, 823 00:53:02,720 --> 00:53:07,440 having, having the kind of men's coaches inside women's team, I'm 824 00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:11,080 always a bit careful about. I see how the women react to the 825 00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:14,680 men's coaches because it shows, it shows a way of safety and 826 00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:16,880 comfort. And after the semi final chase 827 00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:26,200 against Australia when Aman Jyot hit that 4 winning four, I think 828 00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:30,520 Harman literally jumped into Amol Mazumdar's arms and that 829 00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:35,120 told me two things a that they love Amol Mazumdar and he's they 830 00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:38,480 love him as a coach and they told me that they think of him 831 00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:42,120 as a good man. We are safe around him and and 832 00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:45,800 that means a lot because we know of sexual assault history and 833 00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:50,440 crimes in India. So yeah, I think, I think it can 834 00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:51,840 I. Say something about that. 835 00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:54,920 Can I say something like watching that? 836 00:53:56,320 --> 00:54:01,880 I had the same reaction as you, but after a while, like it 837 00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:09,480 actually made me a little bit uncomfortable to see that, but 838 00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:11,320 after a while I was like, OK, they trust him. 839 00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:15,960 That's fine because that's it's just ingrained in me like that's 840 00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:21,280 just my natural reaction. Like having that I I, I don't 841 00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:24,440 know how to say it's, it's, it's like a defensive thing, right? 842 00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:28,080 You're like, the first thing is discomfort and the second thing 843 00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:32,720 is OK, you know, not it's probably it's fine in this case. 844 00:54:32,720 --> 00:54:36,680 Like he's, he's a coach that they trust and, and and it's OK. 845 00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:41,920 But yeah, it these things to like, my first reaction is 846 00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,480 always going to be a little bit of discomfort with someone 847 00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,760 invading someone's private case, private space. 848 00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,440 And in this case, it didn't look like that. 849 00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:55,760 But you know the you know. Immediately like you, you get 850 00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:59,240 that sense. I'm with you, but what like 851 00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:02,880 thankfully the camera capture it that way is Harman literally 852 00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,360 went and you know how AMOL it was. 853 00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:08,720 Initiated through her, yeah. And I was like that as a show of 854 00:55:08,720 --> 00:55:10,960 comfort and I, I love that so much. 855 00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:13,000 I was like, Amol could be a good coach, bad coach. 856 00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:17,240 That that's for a bit late, different discussion. 857 00:55:17,240 --> 00:55:22,080 But the fact that these guys trust him this much, it means it 858 00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:22,720 means a lot. Sorry. 859 00:55:23,240 --> 00:55:24,800 To interrupt you want to come out. 860 00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:29,200 I had the same reaction actually, just as the described. 861 00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:36,760 So OK, just from as a like tactical point of view, a lot of 862 00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:42,920 us do not like the coach. I'm almost on that and we 863 00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:45,640 question the calls he makes a lot. 864 00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:52,640 But that night when I saw Herman just jump into his arms, I was. 865 00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:59,360 So I did not register at first because I was just amazed at the 866 00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:03,280 win first. But yeah, once it did, I was 867 00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:07,800 like, OK, so these girls feel safe around the coach. 868 00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:11,280 So that is at least a good environment in that sense. 869 00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,600 Yeah, I agree. I I think it is. 870 00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:20,920 I mean, it's, it's just seeing, seeing, it's, it's rare to get 871 00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:25,280 coaches that make you feel that comfortable in your own space 872 00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:30,200 And, you know, to let sports women be just sportswomen, like 873 00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:36,160 just be people who are playing sports, not, not be overly aware 874 00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:39,600 of their gender and their dynamics when you're playing. 875 00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:43,680 It's it's hard because if you see women, women players on the 876 00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:47,360 field, like constant, they are also constantly now in the 877 00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:50,320 public eye about how they look and how they're perceived. 878 00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:55,120 You know, there all, all of the things about them are 879 00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:57,800 questioned. So when you see, you know, 880 00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:01,720 Smriti take off her helmet and her hair is like all over the 881 00:57:01,720 --> 00:57:04,480 place. You're like, OK, she's she's 882 00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:08,360 feeling comfortable enough in her own skin that, you know, 883 00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:10,480 she's not worried about how she's going to be perceived at 884 00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:15,360 that at that stage. It, it's really, it's really 885 00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:20,560 nice for me to see sport people just allowed to be who they are 886 00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:23,760 unapologetically. And I think that's something 887 00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:28,440 that we have seen in the Indian women cricket team recently. 888 00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:30,120 And it, it makes me really happy. 889 00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:31,760 And I know it's come on the back of success. 890 00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:36,200 And you know, if they have failures, some of the nastiness 891 00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:38,600 is going to come back with that. That's always there. 892 00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:44,480 That's our that's our society. That's that's kind of, it's hard 893 00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:46,840 to say, like there are structures that we can put in 894 00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:52,320 place to assist with this process, but our societal change 895 00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:55,120 is going to take a long time. Yeah. 896 00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:56,680 If at all, it's going to happen. Easily. 897 00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:00,480 Also expression, I think just on the women's team thing, the I 898 00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:03,800 think the expression, the team environment seems such that 899 00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:05,680 everyone kind of feels free to express. 900 00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:09,680 I think I saw that change very soon with Amol Masundar come in, 901 00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:13,840 come in and he seems like one of those chill guys and we've known 902 00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:17,680 him a lot better in that environment over the last 3-4 903 00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:19,280 months with the World Cup, right. 904 00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:21,520 But even before that, I think when they when they went to 905 00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:23,440 England, they were making these great videos. 906 00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:26,200 When Grant they could made her debut. 907 00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:28,920 She did this wonderful video and I think I'm always on the back 908 00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:36,600 making jokes. So I think as a rule and so so 909 00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:38,920 Henry chat about there has a book called the day I became a 910 00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:44,120 runner. It's a wonderful book, it's a 911 00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:49,880 personal story, but also she's spoken to a lot of ex women 912 00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:53,600 athletes in India and she's narrated their stories to the 913 00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:56,400 men. Listening to this with any, you 914 00:58:56,400 --> 00:59:01,000 know, can I just suggest read the first chapter, just read 915 00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:04,280 because there's so much as men we don't have even access to. 916 00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:08,280 It's not necessarily a fault or something to feel ashamed or 917 00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:12,040 guilty about, but we just don't have access to a lot of the 918 00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:17,520 gaze, a lot of being sick, a lot of the dread that say, a woman 919 00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:21,280 runner would face on a street at 5:00 AM or 10:00 PM. 920 00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:26,520 We can just wear our shorts are vests and go run and we won't 921 00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:29,360 register half the things, which obviously has a woman in India 922 00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:33,200 you can't with. So the first chapter is almost 923 00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:37,080 enlightening in terms of everything that a woman runner 924 00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:40,280 has to be careful of in her first kilometer. 925 00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:44,600 And a lot of that, obviously, it won't be surprising. 926 00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:48,640 But all of it put together sets the context of just what it 927 00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:50,360 takes to be a woman athlete in India. 928 00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:53,080 And then the book follows. It's a great book anyway. 929 00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:55,760 But we. I mean, that first chapter was 930 00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:59,440 insane. And you come away thinking that. 931 01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:03,120 Oh, my God. I mean, yeah, yeah. 932 01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:07,560 But also when I'm going to run I am focusing on. 933 01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:13,360 I want Zimmer on my headphones and I don't want potholes on the 934 01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:14,280 road. That's it. 935 01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:17,480 That's the extent of what my focus is. 936 01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:20,560 And OK, if you're a really good runner, you will focus on a 937 01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:24,880 stride length and this and that. Every atmospheric thing is muted 938 01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:26,760 out. And it's the opposite for a 939 01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:29,280 woman runner where you have to look over your shoulder, you 940 01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:31,120 have to look at the man who's coming this way. 941 01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:34,640 You have to you're noticing 3 people who are Googling at your 942 01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:37,560 body. So yeah, that that book is a 943 01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:39,200 great educative lesson if somebody. 944 01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:42,960 'S recording you. Like Lauren Bell, 100% well 945 01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:46,600 done, very well done, timely, topical you. 946 01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:47,440 Should be on. Twitter. 947 01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:55,040 So there is one video which I came across a few days ago where 948 01:00:55,360 --> 01:01:02,920 a guy, he wanted to calculate what the cost of being a woman. 949 01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:08,320 So and he didn't mean it in a way that being scared or being 950 01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:14,280 emotional when you go out, but an actual physical and financial 951 01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:19,080 cost. Because to ensure that we are 952 01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:22,640 indeed safe, we have to pay a lot. 953 01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:29,400 We do have to pay more than when, for example, taking 954 01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:33,800 sleeper coach and then my parents have always insisted 955 01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:39,280 that I take at least a third AC coach because we don't know who 956 01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:43,720 gets in and gets out in a sleeper coach and he would be 957 01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:48,520 sleeping at night and others might not be so helpful. 958 01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:54,680 So just like that, he calculated and it was actually double what 959 01:01:55,040 --> 01:02:00,840 an average man would pay to take a trip because he was. 960 01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:07,680 So when registering as the when registering his profile as a 961 01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:13,320 woman, he also chose an Airbnb with considering the location 962 01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:18,040 and everything, which he didn't do for the male profile. 963 01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:24,240 So yeah, there is a cost to be safe in India as a woman, 964 01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:28,880 physically, emotionally, financially, mentally. 965 01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:34,680 And yeah, one more thing I wanted to mention is, you know, 966 01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:42,120 when people see that the sports environment is not so safe and 967 01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:45,640 parents would automatically be more hesitant to send their 968 01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:49,640 daughters into sports rather than they would be to send their 969 01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:52,440 sons. This is what we mean. 970 01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:58,240 Then we say that all men may not be violent, but they definitely 971 01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:05,160 profit off of those who are violent because it automatically 972 01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:12,080 scares a lot of women. And the guardians of women too, 973 01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:18,520 because any parent would have a daughter who's alive at home 974 01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:21,240 rather than a dead one who dare step out. 975 01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:27,160 So yeah, I understand the concerns of parents or guardians 976 01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:31,840 perfectly, but at the same time, I also think we cannot 977 01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:37,400 completely be ruled by fear. Then we're essentially sending a 978 01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:41,960 message that boys and men will commit crimes, but then women 979 01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:43,960 are the ones who will have to pay the price. 980 01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:49,080 Yeah, 100% plus access cannot be access belongs to everybody, 981 01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:50,440 right? That's the whole point of an 982 01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:55,240 egalitarian society where the park I play in belongs to me, 983 01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:58,120 belongs to you, belongs to Rita and belongs to everybody who's 984 01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:03,240 who gets to come to the park. It cannot be that OK you know 985 01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:09,760 between 2:00 PM and 5-6 PMA lot of men come to play cricket 986 01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:13,720 here. So women up now they CLO which 987 01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:16,040 is essentially it is cutting off access. 988 01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:18,200 That's code speak for cutting off access. 989 01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:19,600 So no, I mean I'm fully with you. 990 01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:25,280 It's a trickle down effect and as men we don't realize it often 991 01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:31,160 that we have unfettered, unaccountable access to places, 992 01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:36,200 access to things, access to a liberty and freedom. 993 01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:39,440 That's in these places. Like you rightly said, in a 994 01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:42,600 train compartment. How I like. 995 01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:45,360 If I'm booking a train ride, which I love doing anyway, if 996 01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:49,480 I'm going somewhere nearby, I wouldn't think of all the things 997 01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:55,200 I'd book, ideally Windows 8. And I just go. 998 01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:59,480 And I fully appreciate that as a woman, you can't, you maybe 999 01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:04,480 can't do that. So I mean, and, and that all 1000 01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:06,520 comes down. I mean, I know that the original 1001 01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:09,960 topic was about yesterday's case and how we treat assaulters. 1002 01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:13,560 But our treatment of assaulters is a reflection and extension of 1003 01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:17,560 how we look at assault, which is, I feel, an extension, an 1004 01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:21,440 extension of how we look at the subjects of the assault. 1005 01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:26,440 And yeah, it's in the little details. 1006 01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:31,800 And I mean, as a man, like I said at the top, I can say it's 1007 01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:33,920 unfortunate, but that doesn't begin to describe it. 1008 01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:37,200 You think it's really interesting. 1009 01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:42,360 We started with how we are structurally handling sexual 1010 01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:48,000 assault cases in the country and it eventually went down to, you 1011 01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:52,280 know, why this becomes a barrier of entry for women into sports. 1012 01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:54,240 So. If you're going to do more than 1013 01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:59,120 just pay lip service to women's sports and the safety of women, 1014 01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:03,840 if you're going to, if you're going to make the environment 1015 01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:09,080 welcoming for women to feel comfortable and work in, work in 1016 01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:12,400 sports or you don't even need to be a sports person. 1017 01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:17,040 Like if I'm, if I want to be a data analyst or if I want to 1018 01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:22,160 just work at RCB, be a physiotherapist, would I feel 1019 01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:24,320 comfortable in that environment today? 1020 01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:28,520 Like do I want to do that this year in this IPL yet? 1021 01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:31,320 I don't think so. Like who's signing up for that 1022 01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:35,080 cake? And you know, if you are because 1023 01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:38,800 you don't have, you don't have other options or this is your 1024 01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:41,080 only, this is your only platform. 1025 01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:45,440 I understand why you're there. Like, we always expect women to 1026 01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:48,880 take these stands and take these moral stands, and we judge them 1027 01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:51,840 for it. But we don't judge the men that 1028 01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:55,080 have created these conditions and the men that continue to 1029 01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:58,960 remain in these places and not do anything about it. 1030 01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:05,040 Yeah, I think keeping. Of men who create these 1031 01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:10,200 conditions. I mean this is a bit pointed but 1032 01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:16,920 I feel like he does hold responsibility in light of how 1033 01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:21,880 much he's had authority over the team last year especially. 1034 01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:30,520 So I don't know if you remember this, but Dinesh Karthik has has 1035 01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:36,680 a really large house in Chennai. And last year when the team went 1036 01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:43,840 to Chennai to play CSK, the entire team was invited to his 1037 01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:47,360 house for an evening of recreation. 1038 01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:53,880 And yeah, I I just want to know if he would do the same this 1039 01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:59,640 year. Because exactly now he has, he 1040 01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:03,640 has his kids, he has his wife. I, I don't know, you're, you're 1041 01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:05,400 right. Like, we're not asking questions 1042 01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:07,680 of the people in power at RCB enough. 1043 01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:12,240 Like, I know that MOBA did a whole round of interviews last 1044 01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:16,600 week, almost like a celebration of the success that RCB has had 1045 01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:19,720 under him. Why didn't anyone think to ask 1046 01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:21,640 him? Like, what are you doing about 1047 01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:22,640 the situation? Yeah. 1048 01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:28,840 I understand nobody in the press, not even a single mention 1049 01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:35,800 of this case is being done when it comes to RCB directly. 1050 01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:37,560 I think they would have been asked. 1051 01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:40,000 It would have been embargoed. I. 1052 01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:41,680 Understand. I understand. 1053 01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:49,040 Maybe Andy and MO, maybe they're not as aware because they are 1054 01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:54,399 foreign coaches and I don't know what extent they are aware of 1055 01:08:54,399 --> 01:08:57,200 this case. But I'm pretty sure Dinesh 1056 01:08:57,200 --> 01:09:01,160 Karthik and the ones in the management, Prathamesh, Rajesh 1057 01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:06,439 Meenan, all all these guys would be definitely aware of the case 1058 01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:11,720 and it's progress. Yet no one has bothered to at 1059 01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:16,000 least address it. I mean, do you stand behind the 1060 01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:18,120 guy? Is that why you've retained or 1061 01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:20,560 do you not care about the allegations at all? 1062 01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:28,279 I mean, you wanted WPL team. So I mean that I think puts an 1063 01:09:28,279 --> 01:09:31,040 additional responsibility, at least in my perspective. 1064 01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:39,439 And compartmentalization of owning a women's team and, you 1065 01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:42,720 know, not addressing the cases of sexual assault against your 1066 01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:46,439 own player is Yeah, yeah, I hope. 1067 01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:49,080 But this is a. This is a tactic often chosen by 1068 01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:54,800 teams managers where they just, they just stay shut. 1069 01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:58,880 They they refuse to address and they don't speak about it in the 1070 01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:04,000 hope that it passes over. It's very sad and and like I 1071 01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:07,800 said this, I've seen this happen in so many sports where, you 1072 01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:11,000 know, there are sincere reporters who asked the question 1073 01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:17,240 and those so all press conferences there is, you know, 1074 01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:18,840 there are embargoed codes and this and that. 1075 01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:23,280 So either the press officer says that we are not going to answer 1076 01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:25,120 that question. We are not going to take any 1077 01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:27,680 question. So the press officer has the 1078 01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:30,560 veto to say that we are not going to answer. 1079 01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:35,360 If you remember when the Xiaomi incident happened at the D20 1080 01:10:35,440 --> 01:10:40,240 World Cup in 2021, when the last question was put to India's then 1081 01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:45,200 captain about Xiaomi's, about the, you know, vitriol Xiaomi 1082 01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:48,160 had to face on social media when he was asked that. 1083 01:10:48,480 --> 01:10:51,800 And it was all obviously religiously pointed trolling and 1084 01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:54,080 abuse, right? The press officer actually said 1085 01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:58,440 that we won't be answering that until Kohli said no, we will any 1086 01:10:58,440 --> 01:11:01,160 answer about, you know, how attacking someone over the 1087 01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:02,880 religion is the lowest form of humanity. 1088 01:11:05,440 --> 01:11:11,040 So it is it is, I believe, I would like to think there are 1089 01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:14,480 journalists and reporters who have attended these recent press 1090 01:11:14,480 --> 01:11:18,600 conferences who will who will have asked that, you know, will 1091 01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:20,640 Astair be plain given what is going on? 1092 01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:23,520 And I think they would have just avoid those questions. 1093 01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:28,080 That's what my read is. I wouldn't because a lot of the 1094 01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:32,640 actual reporters covering cricket are not bad people. 1095 01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:37,200 What we think of media as a pack, a lot of it is covered by 1096 01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:41,040 your, you know, YouTube ecosystem and they are making 1097 01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:42,960 content. They are not sincere anymore to 1098 01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:46,040 the sport or to the stories. They are making content and they 1099 01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:48,920 will do anything that feeds the algorithm. 1100 01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:53,960 But a lot of the press pack that goes yes, some press pack is are 1101 01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:58,680 you know, you're OK certain kind of content, but a lot of the 1102 01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:01,480 press pack are actually nice reporters since. 1103 01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:05,680 They are actually. I remember when Cricinfo, when 1104 01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:10,760 Cricinfo covered the auction, it was Bronak who's who's like, 1105 01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:14,320 what are RCB doing? Like, how can they do this? 1106 01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:17,360 How can they retain a player who's been credibly accused? 1107 01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:19,200 Like he was clear to talk about this. 1108 01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:22,880 I know that they want to. I know that they're trying to do 1109 01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:26,440 good job, but then they come up with these PR interviews that 1110 01:12:26,480 --> 01:12:32,080 are more PR than interviews and you get you get depressed after 1111 01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:34,720 you watch them, Right. Yeah. 1112 01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:41,720 Any any final comments Maybe Yeah. 1113 01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:47,760 I my point is simple. It is Foxo especially. 1114 01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:51,560 It's a very serious allegation. First of all, he should have 1115 01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:56,880 been, you know, reprimanded and banned by the BCCI temporarily 1116 01:12:56,880 --> 01:13:01,240 at least until there is some direction as to whether the 1117 01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:06,600 charges are actually false or he is prone to guilt. 1118 01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:12,400 And second thing, it's not like they haven't, especially because 1119 01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:14,760 recently they have done it to Mustafizur. 1120 01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:19,160 I don't see why they can't do do it in this case. 1121 01:13:19,560 --> 01:13:23,120 It just means that they don't take this seriously enough and 1122 01:13:23,160 --> 01:13:29,240 they do not consider that players, if they conduct 1123 01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:32,560 themselves in this way, they will receive no reprimand, they 1124 01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:36,880 will receive no punishment, they will not even get a slap on the 1125 01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:40,480 wrist. So how are you dissent? 1126 01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:43,640 Dissent incentivizing the players. 1127 01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:47,760 I mean, yes, there is law and order, which takes care of the 1128 01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:54,280 investigation and all that, but you as an organization, what 1129 01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:59,040 structures do you have in place to ensure that the very players, 1130 01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:04,400 the women who play for you under your organization, that they 1131 01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:06,880 feel safe? This is essentially your 1132 01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:14,000 responsibility and it is on RCB and all those who are in power. 1133 01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:18,240 At least they should be asked questions and I hope somebody in 1134 01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:21,920 the pressures does it. So take any final comments 1135 01:14:22,480 --> 01:14:23,520 before we nothing. Yeah, I. 1136 01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:28,240 Think I echo what why we just said that while I realized that 1137 01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:32,720 it's not always down to the press reporters asking the 1138 01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:34,800 question. A lot comes down to a the press 1139 01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:38,160 officer agreeing to agreeing for the team to answer and then the 1140 01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:41,720 editor willing to publish because the one of the first few 1141 01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:45,360 points might be made was the popularity of the franchise. 1142 01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:48,800 And that actually becomes a barricade for what a lot of the 1143 01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:51,240 publications are willing to willing to go ahead with. 1144 01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:57,440 I got the idea for the for the Stampede piece. 1145 01:14:57,480 --> 01:15:03,160 I got rejected by a couple of franchises, a couple of 1146 01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:05,600 publications because they are like no we can't publish this, 1147 01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:08,640 which is fine, which is a publication has the right to 1148 01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:10,440 publish whatever they want or don't know. 1149 01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:16,440 But point being that RC BS popularity becomes a filter 1150 01:15:16,440 --> 01:15:19,040 through which they see OK what goes and what doesn't go. 1151 01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:26,360 So I hope that there is a grilling that is done and if 1152 01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:30,840 nothing to force to force RCB to acknowledge what is happening. 1153 01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:35,360 And look man, I think I can say this on the behalf of all three 1154 01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:37,280 of us here and every cricket fan. 1155 01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:40,840 We would like nothing but our cricketers to be clean. 1156 01:15:41,320 --> 01:15:44,600 So if yes, they all go through the entire process and comes out 1157 01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:47,800 clean. No one will be happier than all 1158 01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:50,840 of us. There will be questions on how 1159 01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:53,360 the cases came and we will ask more questions. 1160 01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:56,160 The whole idea is to keep asking why and how, right? 1161 01:15:56,640 --> 01:16:00,560 So you'll ask all these questions and it is there isn't. 1162 01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:04,280 On the contrary, there's nothing sadder than seeing cricketers. 1163 01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:08,120 We follow, we watch, we spend so much time on, we give so much 1164 01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:13,440 emotion to, to see them accused of this and to see the way that 1165 01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:20,440 the system reacts to them is, is not saying much about how much 1166 01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:23,360 you're protecting people in this economy. 1167 01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:27,640 You, you, you are, you are almost going out of your way to 1168 01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:32,800 protect your asset and not the random Joe on the You can say 1169 01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:35,960 all you want about how people are close to our franchise and 1170 01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:40,520 how we are a people's club and all that, but those people are 1171 01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:42,160 raising cases against your player. 1172 01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:44,160 This is your chance to show that you're a people's club. 1173 01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:47,960 So yeah, I hope, I hope they have. 1174 01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:49,920 They're forced to address it because if they left to their 1175 01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:54,520 own wares, they won't. Yeah, I think who was it 1176 01:16:54,760 --> 01:16:58,920 Tarudra, who says that he loves everything about the franchise 1177 01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:05,200 except the franchise itself. I I think like they have, they 1178 01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:07,640 have a responsibility. They have a greater 1179 01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:14,160 responsibility to their employees, to society as as such 1180 01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:17,680 a beloved franchise. They have they have a chance to 1181 01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:21,600 model the behaviour that, you know, they would want other 1182 01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:24,280 others to follow and other organizations to follow in the 1183 01:17:24,280 --> 01:17:27,720 future. So I really hope that, you know, 1184 01:17:28,440 --> 01:17:31,520 if we raise enough questions that they then do the right 1185 01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:32,880 thing. That's that's all we want. 1186 01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:36,400 We just want them to, you know, protect, protect their players, 1187 01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:39,360 protect their employers, employees, do the right thing 1188 01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:43,400 and provide a safe environment for women within the 1189 01:17:43,400 --> 01:17:47,840 organization. I want to thank Bybee for coming 1190 01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:51,840 on. I think you he also reminded us 1191 01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:54,560 that we needed to have this conversation and we're really 1192 01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:57,640 grateful. And it was triggering and 1193 01:17:57,640 --> 01:18:02,680 uncomfortable and, you know, horrible but important to talk 1194 01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:04,440 about these things. Thank. 1195 01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:07,160 You for having me. It was a wonderful conversation. 1196 01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:10,040 Thank you for coming over by the end that's. 1197 01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:14,800 Four in the row there is good. I'm going to go next in the 1198 01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:19,520 prodigal son turn Messiah get the 2nd 100 in successive 1199 01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:24,520 romantic style. The whole of Bengal are on their 1200 01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:28,120 feet. Diego not that important. 1201 01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:31,800 He's gone the next ball. The dream is diminished for 1202 01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:34,760 Carlos Brackley livable scenes here the.