1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:01,920 Hey, we're back with another extra trashy. 2 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:03,840 In this one, we have too much to talk about. 3 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:07,640 Combo Breaker has just wrapped up the largest non EVO 4 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:11,200 tournament for Street Fighter, six of all time, and all the 5 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:13,400 young Japanese players are popping off. 6 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:15,160 What is going on at this tournament? 7 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:17,560 People cannot stop striking A pose for the camera. 8 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:21,120 We have all the details, the data, and the narrative 9 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:23,520 dissection for every which way this tournament went. 10 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:26,600 We also have first to two versus first to three, the discussion 11 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:28,600 that never ends. But this time there's a 12 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:32,280 different flavor to this discussion and more notably, the 13 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:34,680 people participating in it might actually be able to get 14 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:38,160 something done in this regard. And at the end of it all, we 15 00:00:38,160 --> 00:00:42,440 have the latest evo registration drama because a new kid on the 16 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:44,920 block has taken a top four position. 17 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:49,640 We have the rivals of ether 2 platform fighter by off brand 18 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:51,800 games, the publishing company from content creator and 19 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:55,400 influence for Ludwig in the top four position, but people are 20 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:58,080 claiming he might have astroturfed his way in with 21 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:01,120 inorganic registrations. We'll get the full details 22 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:16,000 coming up in this episode. Welcome back to extra trash 23 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,000 sheet. We're back here again to talk 24 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,360 about all things Combo Breaker. First the two versus first the 25 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:23,720 three Discourse starting up again, and a little bit of 26 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:27,000 platform fighters drama with the EVO registration numbers. 27 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:29,720 Hi Dom, you survived Combo Breaker weekend. 28 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:30,920 Welcome back man, you're looking good. 29 00:01:31,320 --> 00:01:32,800 Congrats on your top 8 by the way. 30 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:38,320 Hey, yes, there has been one top eight that I did and it was for 31 00:01:38,320 --> 00:01:41,400 the greatest fighting game marvel versus count Com three. 32 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:43,320 You know, I had I had a good time at combo break. 33 00:01:43,320 --> 00:01:45,960 I had a lot of lot of people, a lot of fans of the podcast 34 00:01:45,960 --> 00:01:48,920 coming out to me and saying, you know, they love the show. 35 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:50,720 They like the me and Brian banter. 36 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:54,840 There's 11 specific fan who actually had a request for you, 37 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:56,240 Brian. Oh, no. 38 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,400 OK. You said we we have to stop 39 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,400 talking about fast food and burgers as much as we do on this 40 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:05,400 podcast 'cause he goes to the gym and it distracts him and it 41 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,479 really makes his mind wander because he's thinking about all 42 00:02:08,479 --> 00:02:10,120 the food we're talking about on the podcast. 43 00:02:10,199 --> 00:02:12,840 Why is that a request for me? You're the one that brings it up 44 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:14,280 every single time. You don't think I'm thinking the 45 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,080 same thing, I tell you. I mean, hungry as fuck when 46 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:19,040 we're recording. I'm I, I this is like right 47 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:20,800 before dinnertime, dude, I'm starving. 48 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,480 When you're when you bring up all the fast food, that's a you 49 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,200 thing. That's yeah, but you're, you're 50 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:28,560 going into it as well. So it's, it's both of our 51 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:29,920 problems. So I'm going to respect his 52 00:02:29,920 --> 00:02:33,080 request. No, no McDonald's, no no nothing 53 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:33,600 today. Stop it. 54 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:35,840 You're already making me weak. I'm so hungry right now. 55 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:39,360 It's just the time we we record is like right before dinner time 56 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:42,240 is usually when it works out. And so yes, item starts and then 57 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:45,000 I I don't have the willpower to to stop the conversation. 58 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:49,800 OK, we promise no fast food analogies for one episode. 59 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:52,600 We'll see if that keeps up. So we do have a ton of stuff to 60 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,960 get into. So yeah, Imam didn't make top 8 61 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:59,880 at Street Fighter six this time. Didn't in in Marvel versus 62 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:02,080 Capcom three. We are going to go pretty deep 63 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:04,520 into Street Fighter 6 I believe because you know, this was one 64 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:06,280 of the biggest tournaments of all time. 65 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:10,960 Apparently the largest non EVO Street Fighter six bracket ever. 66 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,880 I believe that was calculated based on the pre DQ numbers, so 67 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:18,840 I'm not sure if that's altered post the adjustment from those, 68 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:23,920 but the actual number of entrants ended up being 1452 69 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,000 active players at this tournament, so about 100 70 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:30,520 something more than last year. So of course, one of the most 71 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:34,600 talented tournaments we've had so far and this is a an esports 72 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:36,840 World Cup qualifier and a captain Cup qualifier. 73 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:40,240 So CPT points on the line and qualification spots for top 2 74 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:42,920 for esports World Cup and 1st place goes directly to captain 75 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:44,840 Cup as well. So all the international players 76 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:47,320 are here and we got a little preview of it last week with 77 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:51,000 Dreamback Atlanta, which only had like less than 200 players. 78 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:53,840 But a lot of those players in that tournament are in this 79 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:57,720 tournament and a lot of them ended up showing up in both top 80 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:02,160 eights. 3 out of the the eight top eight players are in both 81 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:04,160 top eights, which is pretty surprising. 82 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:08,880 You rarely if ever see that amount of crossover between top 83 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:11,360 eights that that's a very rare occurrence to see. 84 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,480 Yeah, and to me, the thing that was even more not so two of them 85 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:16,320 are GEEF player. The Geef players are. 86 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:18,320 They're not helping the GEEF agenda. 87 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:22,880 Danny Pham is on on, you know, looking scared in his boots. 88 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:25,120 Because then Geef is broken and we know this now. 89 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:28,200 Yeah, what happened because you know Danny Pham shouts Danny. 90 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:30,280 You know his his always his go to excuse. 91 00:04:30,280 --> 00:04:32,880 It's only Kobayan, right? But Junior is starting to 92 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:34,480 breaking through. So Kobe on one dream. 93 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,440 Heck, Atlanta last weekend we saw this insane run coming back 94 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,120 from the brink of defeat not once, not twice, but thrice. 95 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:44,400 And this time he's in top 8 again, but junior also top eight 96 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,760 winners again with his Zengi. So he's kind of challenging that 97 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,080 narrative that oh, it's only it's only Kobeon. 98 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,560 And in fact, I believe there's he was thinking he was one of 99 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:57,760 the most represented characters in the top 48 at all. 100 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:01,680 I believe there was at least three because we have the 101 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:05,960 newcomer to the block making a deep run, guy guy from USA, from 102 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,760 the Smash community, guy guy making a really deep run with 103 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:10,200 the Zengeef. Yeah, Guy. 104 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:14,800 Guy is actually New York for a New Yorker, and he's, yeah, he's 105 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:18,240 from Long Island, you know, not real New York, but he is from 106 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:19,880 New York. He's from Long Island. 107 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:23,440 And yeah, Luigi Player. So yeah, he comes out to the 108 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:25,560 locals sometimes. So you know what I'm saying to 109 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:26,600 him. Yeah, he's cooked. 110 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:28,440 He cooked up this tournament. Yeah Guy. 111 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:32,040 Guy is the highest placing American player this this 112 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,920 tournament. He got 9th place with Zenge and 113 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,120 you know what? The the Captain Cup curse 114 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:41,080 continues because Guy Guy put Sahara, the Captain Cup champion 115 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:45,400 into losers off stream. He then went on to beat Kusanagi 116 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:49,440 the the French Kusanagi who won UFA in 2024 with Ryu Harms who 117 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:53,080 also went on a really good run. Harms, who previously played 118 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:55,520 Honda and had a breakup performance last combo breaker, 119 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:58,120 is now playing modern Alex. I don't know if he played other 120 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,840 characters throughout the bracket, but he I think was also 121 00:06:00,840 --> 00:06:03,960 the the highest placing Alex player, unless you count hot 122 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:05,920 dogs dog with his, you know, pocket Alex. 123 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:09,040 That did some work. So and then he went on to beat 124 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:11,560 Bon Chan on stream. So it was like 2 to make it 125 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:12,840 true, right. He took out the captain Co 126 00:06:12,840 --> 00:06:16,200 champion off stream, Street Fighter six baby versus 2. 127 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:18,120 You know, it happens. But then he he got his big 128 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:21,640 moment against Bon Chan on stream and then it was a clean, 129 00:06:22,280 --> 00:06:25,840 clean 20. I believe it was a beat down 130 00:06:25,840 --> 00:06:28,480 kind of like that was a a really strong showing from him. 131 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:32,360 He ended up losing to Xiao Hai than Kobean after that and 132 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:34,000 Kobean just too good in the Geef matchup. 133 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:38,680 So no shame in that at all. So guy guy rap in America our 134 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:43,120 our highest placing player is Guy Guy, a Smash Ultimate Luigi 135 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:47,080 player playing Zhang Geef who apparently is a low tier 136 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,160 character still. Luigi. 137 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:50,480 Yeah. Luigi's like Zhangi. 138 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:52,160 If you get grabbed one time, you die. 139 00:06:52,280 --> 00:06:53,320 It's the same. It's the same. 140 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:57,000 If you think about it, it's it's always the Luigi Grappler 141 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:58,640 pipeline. True, true. 142 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:00,720 You know that's my main and ultimate right? 143 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:04,160 Because of that combo. You guys don't know the plunger 144 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:06,880 combo is if the fighting game heads don't know, Luigi can 145 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:11,040 actually grab you with like a a pretty far range plunger that 146 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:13,720 pulls you in and then do a zero to death combo pretty 147 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:15,400 consistently on most of the cast. 148 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,240 So they they nerfed a little bit though after I played. 149 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:19,560 So I kind of dropped I was like, that's it. 150 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:21,880 You nerfed my cheese, I'm out of there. 151 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:23,920 Hey there, we'll get right back to the conversation, but I 152 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:25,720 wanted to take a moment to proudly announce what we're 153 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:28,040 officially sipping on with the extra trashy mug. 154 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,840 Trash talk has officially partnered up with Okazemi Coffee 155 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:34,640 company, an FGC first grassroots company delivering high quality 156 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:37,280 roasted coffee to your door. 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So that was cool to see that Doc 168 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:16,760 Morales with Dolson out of I believe in Texas out of Midwest, 169 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,640 at least the CPT qualifier region 21 over Gatchikun 170 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:24,360 Carsonist with his Aki 2 over kills you and then harms also. 171 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:28,080 And if he was playing modern Alex beat Hope, who just got top 172 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:31,480 8 at Eva Japan with modern Aki 21 as well. 173 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:33,400 So a lot of these were off stream. 174 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:36,720 So these are some like the the American players, like doing 175 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:41,000 work to some of the really notable international players. 176 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:43,600 So a lot of big upsets going on. I don't know. 177 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:48,000 Was there any other interesting top 32, top 128 upsets? 178 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,760 I think there was another upset. I think Hibiki beat that IDOM 179 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:53,200 guy. That was a pretty big upset as 180 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:55,360 well. But, well, I was upset 'cause 181 00:08:55,360 --> 00:09:01,200 you dropped the fucking combo. I, I don't, I maybe I should 182 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:05,320 play the game a bit more, but you know, yeah, that, that was a 183 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:08,040 that was a big, that was a big upset in my opinion. 184 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:10,760 But to be honest, all these upsets are like, not like 185 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:13,760 America has a lot of strong players. 186 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:17,520 You know, I, I saw a tweet about it and you know, the players 187 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:21,160 that are playing in these TNSS, playing in these motivation 188 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:24,000 academies, playing in these can opener, they don't get the shine 189 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,160 because like they're all, you know, you can't go to every 190 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:28,400 tournament, going to tournaments and America is expensive. 191 00:09:28,560 --> 00:09:31,200 But I feel like everyone always shows outcomes out the column 192 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,400 breaker. And there are a lot of a lot of 193 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:36,320 those guys that enter those TNSS and stuff beat your favorite 194 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:38,280 players. So you can't sleep on them 195 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:40,400 either. Yeah, you can't sleep on the 196 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:43,160 American players. You might be surprised by even 197 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,520 10 year old kids like the baby 212. 198 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:49,520 So this was another like mini narrative that came out of this 199 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:53,760 The baby 212 that is his tag. He is 10 years old that he looks 200 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,920 like a baby and he is playing classic. 201 00:09:56,920 --> 00:10:01,640 Can he get up He had a match on stream during pools and he 202 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:04,200 played really well really solid combo conversions won the match. 203 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:08,000 But the thing that really like added the twist that set this 204 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:12,040 over the edge to we look at a mini sub viral moment of the 205 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:16,120 weekend was he was going up against plasma dragon, who maybe 206 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:18,560 was just there for fun, just entering to have a good time, 207 00:10:18,560 --> 00:10:22,480 support play game and hang out. They were they made the mistake 208 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:28,680 of playing modern jury against the kid playing classic Ken. 209 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:33,560 So this became a big mess of discourse around the classic 210 00:10:33,560 --> 00:10:35,440 versus modern and a lot of Larpers. 211 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,840 I'm going to use the phrase it's it's it's catching on with me. 212 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:41,320 People who don't actually play competitively or like follow the 213 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,200 scene, they're using that to jump into the moment and to be 214 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:48,000 like, oh, This is why we don't need modern. 215 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,000 Like you just need to practice. You're a scrub if you play 216 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,240 modern and poor plasma dragon, like who? 217 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:54,640 He probably just showed up to have a good weekend and was just 218 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:56,120 like, hey, man, oh shit, I played a kid. 219 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:57,680 Oh man, the kids. Nice G GS. 220 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:01,520 He's becoming the the just being ragged on in this discourse 221 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:04,240 about how modern is cheap scrubby. 222 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:07,400 It's for people who are failing to live up to the honorable, 223 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:10,520 aspirational goal of actually learning to properly play the 224 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:12,120 game. And it became a whole little 225 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,320 shit show. And I don't know, I thought it 226 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:16,680 was kind of ugly a little bit. Even though I do have my 227 00:11:16,680 --> 00:11:19,040 reservations about modern, I feel like it was a bunch of 228 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:22,400 people trying to feel superior and just dunk on somebody for no 229 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:25,440 reason when they themselves also don't even enter the tournament. 230 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:28,400 So why are they talking? I mean, the first of all, 231 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,040 there's a lot of people who, you know, think they they don't 232 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:32,560 enter online. I mean they don't enter 233 00:11:32,560 --> 00:11:35,000 tournaments at all and they have a lot they are the people with 234 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:38,160 the most to say. But even at the same time, it's 235 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:41,600 I thought it was cool. You know, baby young kid playing 236 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:45,640 classic and you know, plasma dragon the wrong place, the 237 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:47,480 wrong time. I I really just feel like it was 238 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:51,640 that very unfortunate, But it's cool. 239 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:55,800 It's that kid had some nice Ken combos, good conversions. 240 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:58,360 He was do you did a genride loop. 241 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:02,280 That was cool, you know, 10 years old knowing how to do, you 242 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:05,440 know, optimal Cam Como. So yeah, that was to the baby. 243 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:06,400 I mean, I don't even think he's old. 244 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,680 Well, there's no age restriction on the podcast, but I don't 245 00:12:09,680 --> 00:12:12,000 think he's old enough to know how YouTube works at this point. 246 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,560 Listen, we're. The YouTube is way older than 247 00:12:16,560 --> 00:12:19,160 these kids, man. I don't know iPad babies or 248 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:20,560 ever. He probably shouldn't be on 249 00:12:20,560 --> 00:12:21,920 YouTube. Hopefully he doesn't see this 250 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:23,520 podcast because he definitely shouldn't have. 251 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:26,640 But Johnson, the baby 212. He might have to re change that 252 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:27,720 tag. That's that's the problem. 253 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:29,760 You know what this reminds me of Jack. 254 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:32,480 I was like just a kid, just a kid. 255 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:35,520 I told him I was like, hey, you're going to have to rebrand 256 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:37,160 one day, man, that has an expiration date. 257 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:40,280 We'll see the baby sticks around long enough to to change the 258 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:41,960 tag. But it's cool to see, of course, 259 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:45,360 to celebrate a young players getting to the scene and 260 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:47,520 participating like that. We've been seeing a lot of that 261 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:49,560 from Japan. You see those tweets about like 262 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:53,480 legend rank ranked kids in Japan are like 8-9 ten years old, 263 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,120 which is crazy to see. And of course we're seeing a lot 264 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:59,720 of them successful around the 15 year old range having the scene. 265 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,880 So always good to have new players get into the mix. 266 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:06,240 So it's it's refreshing and inspiring to see. 267 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:10,880 I I think Noah still has most of the field beat. 268 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:14,960 No, the prodigy for being 8 years old, getting pretty far 269 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:20,080 like I believe top 32 at or maybe top 64 at Marvel 32011 270 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:22,480 evo. So I think he still has like the 271 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,200 best ratio of like youngest age to most ass beat. 272 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,720 You know what I mean? Like, like he still takes that 273 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:30,160 crown, but people are the kids are stepping up these days. 274 00:13:30,680 --> 00:13:32,040 They're coming for that Prodigy title. 275 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:35,120 There's a there's a lot of kids stepping up and beating acid and 276 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:37,520 two, five and six. So like I say, yeah, blahs. 277 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:41,760 You know, all the kids are just doing work nowadays. 278 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:44,520 Yeah, but they're teenagers. Like there's AI think there's a 279 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:48,600 distinct difference, like like when when a 10 year old kid, the 280 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:52,400 baby beats you versus like blahs are hit now it's like, yeah, OK, 281 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:56,480 they're they're teenagers. But when the baby, it's like, oh 282 00:13:56,480 --> 00:14:00,920 shit, yeah, I guess. 15 versus 10 is got a much, much different 283 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:03,120 right, You're right. But the the kids have nothing to 284 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:04,800 do. They're not playing anything. 285 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:06,800 The The kids are just playing Street Fighter all day. 286 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:08,800 Classic, classic old head excuse. 287 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:11,720 Oh my God, literally, that's that's what every old head says 288 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:15,160 when you're when we celebrate like a blase or and now doing 289 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:19,840 well, there's so many grumpy dudes who in their free time 290 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:23,240 watch TV and and sit on their couch eating chips and don't 291 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:25,600 practice and they're like, wow, these kids have all the free 292 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,520 time in the world world. Of course, you know, it's like, 293 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:29,560 come on, dude. Like, yeah. 294 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:33,800 When it was better, when these kids were paying taxes, then 295 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,840 they'll then they'll see. Yeah, with from their winnings 296 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:40,520 for winning major tournaments, that's where the taxes come 297 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:42,640 from. So that was a cool little detour 298 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:46,800 story in in this tournament. What else was there? 299 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:49,960 There's a few other side missions that occurred during 300 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:51,920 this one. I guess we'll get into the top 301 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:52,960 8. We'll break down who actually 302 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:56,120 qualified. So end of the top 8 on the 303 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:59,680 winner's side, we had a junior with a Zangief repeating his top 304 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:02,040 eight winners qualification from DreamHack Atlanta. 305 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:06,560 Oil King, who used mostly Terry's been mostly on Terry, 306 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:08,640 but a lot of received this weekend, which is surprising to 307 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:10,760 see. And this was the first premier 308 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:15,320 top 8 for Oil Oil King I think ever in Street Fighter 6. 309 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:18,360 I got to double check his stats, but it's at least in recent 310 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:23,200 memory the Oil King has been underperforming for his level. 311 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:27,360 You know the Evo 2023 Japan Street Fighter 5 champion had to 312 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:29,840 add a lot of clarifications there to make it clear, but you 313 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,040 know, he's he's been one of the premier players for Street 314 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:33,920 Fighter 5 for so long and in Street Fighter six he's been 315 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:38,680 good but not supreme right. So this is a big top 8 finish 316 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:42,640 for him. Then we have and now the 15 year 317 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:46,880 old youth team rejects player and his second ever 318 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:50,320 international premier, his first one being Chengdu, China, which 319 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,400 he won his first ever tournament away from home. 320 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:55,760 Now his second tournament, first time in America, he's in top 321 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:58,480 eight winners again. So that's huge going up against 322 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:03,040 Xiaohai loser side Fudo versus Mickey, Mickey making a a big 323 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,280 run there. He was one of the players who 324 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:08,200 eliminated MENA Rd. MENA Rd. lost to junior and 325 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:12,000 Mickey on the way there. And so making a big run return 326 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,800 to form for him after his third place Evo Vegas finishes this 327 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:16,960 year. And then VX Bao Kobeon, two 328 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,360 players who also made top 8 at dream hack Atlanta. 329 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:21,800 So VX Bao Kobe on being there makes sense. 330 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,680 Like Kobe on is finally like performing to his level and he 331 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:27,680 just went to Jimmy Atlanta. VX Bow also reminded me a little 332 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,080 bit of oil king here. Like VX Bow has always 333 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:32,320 consistently done well at captain cop Like, oh, he's a 334 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:36,360 solid, never exceptional. And I feel like his 335 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:40,400 international performances haven't been that well and and 336 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,160 maybe even ever right. Like he's always been good, but 337 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:45,560 never like in the big visible top 8. 338 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:47,680 So I think this is a big breakout weekend for him. 339 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,200 Yeah. Yeah, he's usually been kind of 340 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:54,880 performing a lot. I know ever since he's been more 341 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:57,120 committed to my I feel like before he was kind of going 342 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:59,880 through a character crisis. But you know, right, why he's 343 00:16:59,920 --> 00:17:01,440 following. I saw, I saw that when I said 344 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:04,160 there's a lot of. People committed to that My but 345 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:06,520 yeah. But like I was saying, ever ever 346 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:08,640 since he's been more committed to my because before I felt like 347 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:11,440 he's kind of like playing, he's playing more so Bison and like 348 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:13,119 more Ed. But now that he's been way more 349 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:15,720 committed to my, I feel like he's been like having the the 350 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:19,280 consistency, the the kind of results that he's wanted. 351 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:24,280 Right, yeah, VX Bow plays JP Bison, Ed and mine. 352 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:28,440 He did use other characters in this tournament, but there's 353 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:31,280 definitely been more my representation and he went in 354 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:35,080 mind against Kobe on. But Speaking of like then I do 355 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:37,600 want to bring up the the Cat Cami's statistics. 356 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:41,480 We had the top 32 character representation breakdown and you 357 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:43,280 know, we had some interesting results there. 358 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:46,520 For example, we had three Zingis in top 32. 359 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:49,080 We mentioned with Guy, Guy Kobeyan and Junior. 360 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:53,240 Three M Bisons in the mix. 4 Blancas. 361 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:55,480 I want to point that out. Four Blancas. 362 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:59,920 MENA Rd. Shigematsu Tagaki is his name 363 00:17:59,920 --> 00:18:03,400 Tgeki I I I'm mispronouncing his name or butchering it. 364 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,120 I, I apologize. And then who is the 4th off the 365 00:18:06,120 --> 00:18:07,400 top of my head? I can't recall. 366 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:10,440 There's one more. OK, so to, to clarify, 4 367 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:14,200 Blancas, MENA Rd. Takagi, Shikimatsu and Kings 368 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:18,800 Vega all in top 32. So that's another narrative that 369 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:22,440 people have been pushing for a while that it's only MENA Rd. 370 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:25,280 and Japan is finally saying no man. 371 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:27,240 Like they're, they're, they're starting to centralized a little 372 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:28,320 bit. Like you're starting to see some 373 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:32,560 convergence finally happen. They started sending all the 374 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:36,320 Japanese Blancas to America now to beat to beat our asses. 375 00:18:36,360 --> 00:18:38,280 And like I said, they all performed super well. 376 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:40,760 You know, it's the it's the show, Capcom. 377 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:42,360 Maybe, maybe Blanca does need a nerve. 378 00:18:42,360 --> 00:18:44,360 Maybe the level 2 does get need to be toned down. 379 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:47,000 Maybe Daigo didn't lose for no reason. 380 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:50,240 Gotta bring that. Back no matter what. 381 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:51,440 But it's also not the level 2 man. 382 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:53,920 It's everything Like his mid screen throw loop is crazy. 383 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:57,160 I, I, I think he has the best strike throw pressure anywhere 384 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:00,680 on screen and and his his wake up Blanca ball and other 385 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:02,200 options. There's a lot of other factors 386 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,560 besides just a level 2 that make him obscenely strong. 387 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:07,560 And another point about that that I I think we missed earlier 388 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:12,560 is a lot of the players here were younger, new generation 389 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:16,000 Japanese talent, some of them on the youth program of a lot of 390 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:20,600 these orgs and all, a lot of them had been either like in 391 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:23,920 programs with legacy top players or have been competing for a 392 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:25,000 while. But this is one of their first 393 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,800 international showings with maybe they would only go to EVO 394 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:29,320 and that would be the only other showing. 395 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:31,840 But now they're here at Comic Breaker, they're gravitating 396 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:33,160 towards the top. To your characters, the new 397 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:34,400 meta. I feel like we're seeing the new 398 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:38,440 players in the new meta from the Japanese side, I feel like. 399 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,800 All the yunks just kind of I hate to use the word, but I feel 400 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:45,640 like all the the UNC's got smoke MAGA MAGA didn't do too well 401 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,400 this tournament like Taquito also didn't do too hot. 402 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:52,760 There are a lot of the the old Japanese guard that just kind of 403 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:58,240 that the game is that more to say than that right. 404 00:19:58,240 --> 00:19:59,720 But I. Also see like the the they're, 405 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,800 they're gravitating towards those new sort of Street Fighter 406 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:06,880 six isms, the the Blanca, the Sagat and the Mai like a lot of 407 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:08,560 them are playing those characters like this is the way 408 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,040 to play. Not to say that these legacy 409 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:13,920 players are not playing top tier like Tokido's trying to make JP 410 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:16,760 work. It's still crusty to this day. 411 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,280 Fudo's doing still great, but he's on Ed. 412 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:23,200 That's one of the other options. Fitting in this meta, but I I I 413 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:27,400 do feel like there's less of this bias or hesitation to just 414 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,720 pick these characters that are obviously strong that people 415 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,280 have had reservations about like Blancas specifically. 416 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:34,800 Is what I'm noticing actually funny? 417 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:38,600 Story I I was walking around the, the setups, I think during 418 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:44,280 the Round 2 pool and I remember I had saw it was dual cabin 419 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:47,280 versus him now off stream. And I didn't, I didn't even know 420 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,560 he now played Saigon. I thought he was still on Ryu 421 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:54,000 and I was so surprised and like all I was thinking was solar 422 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,080 plexus gets nerfing. You just jump to Saigon 423 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,600 immediately. Like no thought after like no 424 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:00,800 thought anywhere. It's just like, oh, Ryu sucks 425 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,560 now time to play Saigon. And I was just like, it's, it's 426 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,160 smart. I I don't fault the kid, but at 427 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,600 the same time, it's just so it's so surprising. 428 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,080 I'm not used to really seeing that happen so fast. 429 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:14,200 Well, he also. Plays Shoto so that that allows 430 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:18,440 you to to make that swap, right. So even at Chengdu so fast, 431 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:20,440 right? It is fast, but at Chengdu, 432 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:22,480 right? He played Luke primarily until 433 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,440 he swapped to Ryu to to go the final distance. 434 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:27,840 So he already showed he was playing 2 characters at high 435 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:29,480 level. Adding sigat to the mix just 436 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:31,800 makes sense dude, if that's your skill set, if that's where you 437 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,640 kind of practice it like makes perfect sense to swap to that. 438 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:38,440 So yeah, now it's on the on the the sigat now. 439 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,560 But Speaking of all these young players, I do want to mention 440 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:44,160 back in the day, one day 2, for some reason, I don't know what 441 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:47,400 was in the water, everyone's just popping off. 442 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:52,400 We we see him now, immediately get up there and hit the I don't 443 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,440 know how he did it, man. He hits the the Joey Wheeler mog 444 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,600 face his how does his face retort like that? 445 00:21:59,120 --> 00:22:00,440 I have. No idea. 446 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,800 He's, he's a, he's 15. He's a professional memester. 447 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:05,800 He's ready. He's ready for the spotlight. 448 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:07,960 He knows where every camera is, right? 449 00:22:08,120 --> 00:22:10,440 He missed one. There was 1 pop off where he hit 450 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:14,280 like the camera. He was like, like he tried to 451 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:18,040 figure out which camera it was and he missed it, but I didn't 452 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,240 know if it was a fluke or not. When he was at when he won 453 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,200 Chengdu, you know, remember he popped off like crazy, saw the 454 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,240 trophy center the stage and then ran over and just like, yeah, 455 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,360 yeah, won post up on it and sort of mocking the whole crowd. 456 00:22:30,360 --> 00:22:33,320 And I was like, oh, OK. Like he was ready to to aura 457 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:36,640 farm with the trophy over there. And no, he came prepared this 458 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:38,160 tournament as well. Every step of the way, he's 459 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,680 having fun and popping off. And they even showed how Mago 460 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:45,320 originally used to hit the dramatic kind of creepy over the 461 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,080 top smile. Mago hit it as well. 462 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:50,840 They did it together. Like he's kind of taking over 463 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:54,120 the mantle from Mago here and carrying the reins a little bit 464 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:58,800 in that regard. But then Takagi, he hit like the 465 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:02,080 the whole 4 minute swimming through pools pop off. 466 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,160 I don't know if you saw that he's like swimming through. 467 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,760 Pools the. Whole time and like after he won 468 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,040 and he's he's, he's put on a whole performance. 469 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,760 So a lot of the Japanese players, young guys are out here 470 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:17,440 destroying that whole image that used to be like the Daigo style 471 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,920 of Oh yeah, I won. The Stoic style. 472 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,040 That's gone, man. There, it's over. 473 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:25,520 All the kids are popping off on us. 474 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,960 And yeah, I mean, rightfully so. I wonder if like Hanal's 475 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:32,520 planning his pool run and it's just like, oh, when I beat this 476 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:33,880 guy, I'm going to hit the Joey Wheeler. 477 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,880 When I beat this guy, you know, I'm going to hit like, I don't 478 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,800 even know, like a backflip on stage or something on the mean 479 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:43,480 mog or something. Like he's he's planning every 480 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,080 win on bracket for a different meme. 481 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,440 He's ready. Yeah, no, I respected. 482 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:50,120 He definitely had a plan in there. 483 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,720 The funny thing is, apparently the Takagi pop off also like 484 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,800 went kind of viral in Japan. Like people were discussing if 485 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,800 it was too mean or not. And like they're trying to 486 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:01,600 explain the hey, I comma breaker people do that. 487 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,920 And apparently his opponent was like rapping the whole time or 488 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,440 singing loud. And so then he was dancing till, 489 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,120 I don't know, there was like weird discourse happening on the 490 00:24:10,120 --> 00:24:12,800 Japan side of Twitter around that one, but it was just 491 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:17,480 surprising to see the amount of energy and coming out of that. 492 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,200 And before we get to the top eight, one last meme as well. 493 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:25,640 Duel Kevin had to fight Kobean again in this tournament. 494 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,600 Duel Kevin is the only person to beat Kobean at DreamHack Atlanta 495 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,080 last weekend. But then, you know, he still 496 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,640 ends up losing to Junior Zingy for right after and it was 497 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,040 eliminated from the tournament and Kobean went on to win after 498 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:37,720 that. This weekend he had played 499 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:42,360 Kobean again and this time he loses the set and kind of a 500 00:24:42,360 --> 00:24:44,880 dramatic set. It was 2O but he almost made 501 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,240 this crazy comeback. But he gets Zangief again. 502 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,480 It's become an actual rivalry between him and Kobe on I 503 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,920 believe. But in general dual Kevin and 504 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:58,880 Zangief junior Kobe on MENA Rd. for a long time back when MENA 505 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,680 Rd. was working to Zangief, he always has these deep runs in 506 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,160 brackets and runs into a Zangief. 507 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,360 And we even had the the fan art now from the Japanese side 508 00:25:06,360 --> 00:25:08,200 because now he's on Crazy Raccoon. 509 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,680 He's got all these Japanese fans they're making fan art of Duel 510 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:16,200 Kevin running into Zengeefs. One of these had the the shiny 511 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,400 moment. Here's Johnny Zengeef busting 512 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,400 through the door, Duel Kevin there screaming and reaction to 513 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,800 Zengeef coming through. Hopes it's the meme has reached 514 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:29,320 Japan basically of Duel Kevin must fight Zengeef and he always 515 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,480 has them in his nightmares. So I don't know will he ever get 516 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:33,720 over it? Will he actually commit to the 517 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,600 JP to fight Zengeef like he said he would? 518 00:25:36,120 --> 00:25:38,320 I feel. Like, you know, Duel Kevin is a 519 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,240 professional. What he actually needs to do, 520 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,680 it's just learn Lily. That's the actual match up that 521 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,880 I that's the actual match up that I hear every Gu player 522 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,360 complained about. Be be the professional you want 523 00:25:49,360 --> 00:25:50,760 to be. Learn Lily. 524 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,600 It'd probably take like 2 seconds anyway you can do it. 525 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,240 That's gotta. Be the most waste of your time 526 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,600 counter to ever. I mean I guess for dual Kevin As 527 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,320 if that's literally the only thing he has to worry about. 528 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,880 I respect him going for the JP, but it might be faster to learn 529 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:06,880 a Lily. Yeah exactly. 530 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,880 Just for that one match up. The JP will be more 531 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,320 well-rounded, but it might take a little longer. 532 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,720 But maybe he'll take your advice. 533 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:21,320 We'll see Lily at evo top eight this year with with dual Kevin 534 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:25,920 piloting him against Kobe on. But anyways, that's most of the 535 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,200 memes and tangential storylines coming out of combo breaker 536 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,120 before we get to the top 8. But the last character I didn't 537 00:26:31,120 --> 00:26:35,640 mention on the a top 32 character representation was of 538 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:42,680 course, my 7 my players in top 32 and three of them in the top 539 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:46,440 8. So we it was my yet in coming at 540 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,840 you a lot of my this tournament, I. 541 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:53,520 When when I was there, I was playing my strive top 24 pools 542 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,920 like I was still playing strive and I swear every time I looked 543 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,960 up, it was my it was my on the Street Fighter screen. 544 00:26:59,960 --> 00:27:02,400 I was like, what is going on? There was a different my on 545 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:07,360 stream every time and I was so like, ow, how is this happening? 546 00:27:07,360 --> 00:27:10,200 Because I was cheering for guy guy, but every time I what do 547 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,000 you even lost the Xiaohai is myself. 548 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,920 It's different my every, every time. 549 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,600 So that was not really the the thing I wanted to see looking up 550 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,480 at at the Street Fighter stream. We're definitely. 551 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:26,000 Starting to see the my fatigue reach critical mass almost. 552 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,120 There's a lot more discourse about it from this tournament. 553 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,160 My aunts got to a degree, but of course there's way more My but 554 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,040 there was force to got so the my cigar matchup was all over the 555 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:35,920 place. And it's funny because we've 556 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,120 already seen the pinnacle of that with Blah's Xiaohai and I 557 00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:40,720 don't think it'll ever get better than that. 558 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,240 So every other match comparatively is compared to 559 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,360 that and they're never as good because Blah's counter play for 560 00:27:46,360 --> 00:27:48,360 my is just the best in the world. 561 00:27:48,360 --> 00:27:50,680 Still, I think, I still think Moss Blahs. 562 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,600 I still think Blahs is the greatest player on the planet at 563 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,600 countering my in my opinion. So in comparison, it all just 564 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:02,320 looks kind of slop. So that was that was a big part 565 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,200 of this weekend. But into the top 8 itself. 566 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,800 Junior ends up winning that set against Oil King in winter 567 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:12,160 semifinals and gets into the winners finals and now beats 568 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,040 Xiaohai after going up 2O. Xiaohai winning two games and 569 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:16,880 and now finally close in and out pops off. 570 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,480 So winners finals Junior Hanao Fudo took out Mickey and Kobe on 571 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:26,200 VX Bao and then Xiaohai goes on the losers run beats Fudo 32 572 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,960 Kobe on took out Oil King three O then Xiaohai takes out Kobe on 573 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,160 three 1 so no 2P. That was the other narrative 574 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,480 brewing. Can Kobe on from losers again 575 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,320 Win 2 majors in a row, which would have completely been earth 576 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,920 shattering in a different way than we had this weekend, right? 577 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:44,360 IT would it. Would be over. 578 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,240 He's not bad. He's not bad. 579 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,840 Two consistent tournaments would have been nuts back-to-back. 580 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:52,960 Which is crazy, right? That. 581 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,360 Would have been Lashar levels like we've we've we've never 582 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:59,600 really seen beyond Lashar get 2 tournaments back-to-back like 583 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,200 even like Ben Rd. He's like the peak and valley 584 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,320 player, right? He has the highest peaks and a 585 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,400 lot of values between Lashar was the only one to do comma breaker 586 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,560 and CEO back-to-back. So dreamback Atlanta is not the 587 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,880 same caliber, but it was very dense, but it would still be 588 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,760 very extremely notable. But then the the notable thing 589 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:21,560 about winner's finals Junior, he got two winners finals of 590 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:25,080 DreamHack Atlanta top 2 is who qualifies into Esports World 591 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:26,600 Cup. Meaning if you win in winners 592 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,840 finals, even if you get second in the tournament, you're 593 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,000 guaranteed top 2. So you will earn Esports World 594 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,440 Cup qualification. Junior and that tournament 595 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,560 DreamHack Atlanta lost O3 winners finals and then lost O3 596 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,440 in losers finals, missing out on his Esports World Cup 597 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,920 qualification. Here he goes up against the now, 598 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:49,280 he goes up to two in the set, one game away from esports World 599 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:53,040 Cup qualification. He loses to Hanausigot, drops to 600 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,920 losers finals, and in losers finals, he goes up against 601 00:29:55,920 --> 00:30:00,800 Xiaohai, and he loses 3 O to Xiaohai. 602 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:02,880 He got third place twice in a row. 603 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,440 That means that he was one set away from esports World Cup 604 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:11,960 qualification 4 times in the past two weekends. 605 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,600 That is so brutal. That is so brutal. 606 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,880 Sucks. It sucks, but that's that's how 607 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,600 it is somebody so many killers trying to get that esports World 608 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,280 Cup qualification spot, but just. 609 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,360 Got to win. You got to win and especially 610 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,600 when you're in winners finals already, I feel like you have a 611 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,760 cushion being in winners final and then the cushion's getting 612 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,920 taken away from you because you know, you just lose the winners 613 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:38,640 finals. So you got to really lock in and 614 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,600 losers and it didn't didn't happen right and. 615 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,840 Whoever comes from losers is is hot, you're colder like they're 616 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:46,520 going to start building momentum, right. 617 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,280 So that's dangerous. That's so dangerous mentally to 618 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,640 keep your composure and and stay focused like that. 619 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,200 So junior, I think you could see the pain on his face, but I also 620 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:56,680 think he was a very good sport about it. 621 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,400 Like I I like, I like his gumption. 622 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:02,360 You know what I mean? Like Junior seems like a, just 623 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,360 a, a fun player like I, I, he seems very positive. 624 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:09,120 So I respect his tenacity. So you could see that it was 625 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,800 hurting him, but he still put a smile on and, you know, so thank 626 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,880 you to the crowd and all that. So shout out to Junior. 627 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,440 Fantastic Zengeef player 2 third places in a row these major 628 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,520 tournaments. It's nothing to scoff at. 629 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,520 And he's going to have a lot of points on the CPT leaderboard 630 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,880 out of that. But he's back to square one for 631 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,240 qualification for East Sports World Cup, which is brutal. 632 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,640 That is that is rough. We'll see if he makes a a 633 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,160 miracle run to get back in because it's a lot to ask for to 634 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,480 do it again. Yeah, it's a lot. 635 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:44,000 Well, with that though, that set up the grand final, Xiaohai 636 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,440 versus Hanao. And this is interesting because 637 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,880 we have for one and now back-to-back grand final 638 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,280 appearances, 100% success rate of getting to grand finals at 639 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:59,360 premier tournaments. That's a a crazy stat point. 640 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,640 A lot of people were saying OK, OK, it's only, it's. 641 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,360 Only two though. Like that's, that's not really 642 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:05,200 fair. It's two. 643 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,160 It's older. Two it's older, 2 it's 2 for. 644 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,240 Two like it's it's only Two's tortoise. 645 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,080 That's not all. If you go if you go somewhere I 646 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,920 have 100 percent, 100% top rate out of like 1 tortoise is 647 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:18,000 nothing. What? 648 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,520 Listen, as someone who has 100% win rate against Daigo, I take 649 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,840 offense to you mincing the stats here. 650 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:28,600 OK. OK, OK, 100% is 100%. 651 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,400 OK, but come on. No, but that's another crazy 652 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,960 stat point your first two tournaments during grand finals 653 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,320 that that that's great. No, that's amazing. 654 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,200 I guess maybe you take. Offense with my framing 100% 655 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,760 success rate versus 2 for two of your all your tournaments to get 656 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,560 to grand finals and premieres. That's fucking incredible. 657 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:49,840 And you know, out of the Chengdu premiere, a lot of people were 658 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,440 were just like what, who is the kid? 659 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:58,320 What is happening? It wasn't a it wasn't a Blas 660 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:02,600 like situation where when Blas got stuck in a captain cup, he 661 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:09,520 went through so many killers and with Ryu and in such a cerebral 662 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:14,520 fashion with his play style, the way Blas plays, it gives this 663 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,880 sense of skill and expertise beyond his years. 664 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,160 And it it feels like you're watching Street Fighter in 2027. 665 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,200 You know what I mean? Like it feels like he's ahead of 666 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,320 the game. And now on the other hand, he's 667 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:30,440 very skilled, of course, but he plays a much more faster, 668 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:35,120 aggressive mix heavy game using a lot of the drive mechanics, 669 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,160 right. Like, it's a very much leaning 670 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,680 into the side of things that the tractors of Street Fighter Six 671 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,120 don't like. Yeah. 672 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,480 And so there's a lot of negative discourse. 673 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,240 When Hanao won that premiere, it wasn't a positive reception. 674 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,440 I would say all the way really. So I, I didn't feel like that 675 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,360 would Chengdu. I felt like it was different for 676 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,840 Chengdu because I felt like they were a lot less. 677 00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:58,680 Players. There because they were already 678 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,840 qualified like that. Well even Lashar wasn't here. 679 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,000 True, but there was no lashar. I don't think Sha Hai was there 680 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,440 like a lot of the the Super super like premier SF 6 MENA 681 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,239 wasn't there Premier SF six players weren't there. 682 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,560 This one I feel like is a lot better, like this one is crazy. 683 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,600 Getting top two at combo breaker is nothing to scoff at, 684 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:20,120 especially with the level of competition there in in general. 685 00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:22,600 Yeah, that's that's another good point. 686 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:28,040 However, there was I think that the the negative perception that 687 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,840 this tournament got was oh boy my mysa got grand final. 688 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,080 Yes, people were disappointed about the matchup, but you had a 689 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:36,320 good point. I wanted to touch on what you 690 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:37,560 said about Chengdu. Very good point. 691 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:39,440 It was the end of the season. A lot of people weren't 692 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,120 competing. And so the grand finals was was 693 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,280 Henal versus Tchotaro, right, which is also like a who for a 694 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,520 lot of people, even though he he also got more respect in his 695 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,239 name. He'd repeated a a deep 696 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:55,360 performance at Evo Japan, right? Like I think both these players 697 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,480 are like, hey, this wasn't a fluke. 698 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,720 You know, it's like you get the second big showing like that. 699 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,560 It it helps to settle the anxiety people have about what's 700 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,240 happening. Oh, there's a disturbance in the 701 00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:09,640 established order of players here. 702 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:13,080 Oh, I don't like change, right. So so that was a big one. 703 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,120 But he did beat Punk at Chengdu, right? 704 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:16,800 Like that was one of his biggest wins. 705 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:18,360 Three. It was, I think it was three 706 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,040 over Punk. So that's a huge win. 707 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,360 But to get into this grand finals position, he beat Takagi 708 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,960 duel Kevin hot dog VX Bao Xiaohai junior, right? 709 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,040 Like, OK, like you're going, you're going through the 710 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:32,520 killers. Like there's no way around it. 711 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,120 You're going through household names at that point. 712 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,960 And he earned that spot. And the other angle of this 713 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:44,920 Xiaohai and now we go back. There is Xiaohai Blas Xiaohai's 714 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:48,120 name in Chinese. He won East Sports World Cup the 715 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,320 first time. He had his very emotional speech 716 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,760 because he was trying to prove that he could still hang with 717 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,840 the best and Street Fighter. Explain how his name means 718 00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,480 little kid. Xiao Hai used to be the OG 719 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,320 little kid, you know, nine years old, eight years old, beating up 720 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,440 players in the Chinese arcades, playing King of Fighters. 721 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:12,360 And now he's the old head gatekeeping the children from 722 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,360 their championships. He he beats Xiaohai at esports 723 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,760 World Cup or sorry, Xiaohai beats Blas at esports World Cup. 724 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,480 Blas hits the run back at Captain Cup, but you know, Blas 725 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:25,160 still doesn't get the title. Even in Esports World Cup 2024 726 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:29,240 when he won that, he was down in the the top eight, first to five 727 00:36:29,240 --> 00:36:33,880 sets versus Hikaru I believe like 1-4 or one. 728 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:37,800 Yeah, yeah, 41 and he made a crazy comeback with What is Ken? 729 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,440 Yes, yeah, I think he swapped. I think he tried multiple 730 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,600 characters before settling on the can, but maybe I'm mistaken. 731 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,320 But it was a crazy comeback. And he went on to win the 732 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,640 tournament after that. And Hikaru is also like a very 733 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,960 young player. I think he might be 18 or 734 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,400 something like that, or he's on the younger side. 735 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,080 And so he has his history now of going up against these up and 736 00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:03,280 coming players very young and just brutally ending their hopes 737 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,520 and dreams. And this one was the most brutal 738 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,160 because, and now I'm on the set winners, finals. 739 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:16,400 But grand finals, you could feel the the hopes and dreams of a 740 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,160 now kind of slipping away game by game. 741 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,080 Yeah, I'm going to. I'm going to agree with you on 742 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,560 that, 'cause I was watching that grand finals, I was there. 743 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:31,120 I was there watching that final. Yeah, unfortunately with every 744 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:35,000 single my fan with punish, I feel like the air is getting 745 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:36,200 sucked out of the room a little bit. 746 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:41,400 The hype was deflating because for one, seeing the kid when 747 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:42,960 he's hype, he he's leaning into it. 748 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:44,920 I think he's becoming a little bit of a fan favorite with his 749 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:46,280 antics. He's emotional. 750 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:51,520 He he wears his his highs and lows on his face and he's 15 751 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:52,760 years old. That's crazy, right? 752 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,800 And he's not playing My so guy is like that. 753 00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:57,440 That's the number. One thing goes to playing my 754 00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:58,960 right. That's a huge thing. 755 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,000 He's playing cigar. But people were definitely had 756 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,840 my fatigue so, so much so that sigat seemed refreshing at that 757 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,880 point. And but Xiaohai man, he played 758 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,200 Immaculate, like his spacing, his whip, punishing his 759 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,360 challenge timings, the way he called out fake pressure strings 760 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,680 or over extensions was really strong. 761 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,360 It wasn't even really about like OD fan or basic fan makes. 762 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,640 It really was just neutral. Like he he kind of out nuched 763 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:29,120 and outs timed the button sequences versus denial, which 764 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,440 my excel Excelsa. That's another one of our 765 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,240 amazing strengths. Well, her. 766 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,920 Her lights are with that. No, no, sorry. 767 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,440 Her lights are so good because they're very good at just like 768 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,520 interrupting stuff and even just poking out. 769 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:45,640 I would even say like her jab is so much better because her jab 770 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,280 her she has the jab of Chun Li and she still has like a lot of 771 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:53,280 like degenerate SF6 stuff because like her offense is so I 772 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:57,200 don't want to say mindless, but her offense is so. 773 00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:02,040 Strong and. Safe and very repetitive. 774 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:03,480 That's why I think the my fatigue. 775 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:07,000 I was trying to say it in a nice way, but her her game plan is 776 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:12,160 just so simplistic and good and it's just very hard to to stop. 777 00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,000 So even then, he's not really taking that many risks. 778 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:19,320 And at the same time, when she gets going, gonna throw, you 779 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,080 might do a meaty Crouch medium punch if you try to hold up. 780 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,400 You know, I, I know a lot of people say it's not a throw loop 781 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,640 if I called out the person holding up, but there's a reason 782 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,800 the person's holding up so he doesn't get thrown for the third 783 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,760 time. So it's, it's, it's still like a 784 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:35,400 throw. He's still just in the same kind 785 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:42,600 of silly vortex that I would call it an other game, but in 786 00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:44,640 tree Fighter 6 is much different because. 787 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,320 The the. Character with good neutral has 788 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:51,480 Vortex, which that's not how fighting games work, right? 789 00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:53,600 I I. Like how you didn't want to call 790 00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,280 it mindless, but you explained all the reasons that Adam can 791 00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,600 make it mindless. Like that's a good breakdown 792 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,120 cause 'cause we speak in facetiously or like we use 793 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,240 loaded language to compartmentalize all these ideas 794 00:40:05,240 --> 00:40:08,200 under one under one umbrella. And so more casual fans might 795 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,840 not understand what you mean. So like when you explain how the 796 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:15,800 offensive loop she has is safe, confirmable and easy to 797 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,480 implement and has coverage for escape options. 798 00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,600 And loops into itself. Oh, that's mindless 'cause you 799 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,240 just do it. You just do it. 800 00:40:23,240 --> 00:40:26,080 And the flow chart just works 'cause you don't have to like 801 00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,840 commit to hard reads or, or alter your game plan that 802 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,400 heavily once you get the party started. 803 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,160 And yeah, it's very true. And Xiaohai used that to just 804 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:39,280 allow him to focus on dominating the nuch and, and, and the, the 805 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,280 punish counter timings. What do you think about what 806 00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:46,440 boosts tweet said where Boost went out and said the core 807 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,640 reason why my is hard to beat is because you cannot with punisher 808 00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,440 crouching medium punch. I don't know if you saw this but 809 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,920 a bit of discourse about my Should she be nerfed or not? 810 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,680 Is it a problem? Boost is a bit of a scientist. 811 00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:59,320 What do you think? So I. 812 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:03,400 Believe there were two characters who got in the the 813 00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,760 actual Crouch medium punch nerve, which for me it's Luke 814 00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:10,760 because Luke's was egregious the first season and Cami Cami also 815 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,360 got the same nerve. I think they should do that 816 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,880 across the board, though. That's not that's still not a 817 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,360 that's not a my exclusive thing That has to be a nerf across all 818 00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:24,160 the characters because what my has it and out with punishing 819 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,160 chuns Terry's also up there. There's a lot of characters like 820 00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,520 that. So I, it I always think it's 821 00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:34,000 funny because I do think people bring up, Oh, I don't like my, I 822 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,080 don't like Sagat. My thing. 823 00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,640 It's there's a huge bigger, there's a big elephant in the 824 00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:40,800 room that people just don't want to talk about. 825 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,280 And that's why I actually don't like the I don't like the my 826 00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,880 discussion because I do think my is a bit silly. 827 00:41:47,240 --> 00:41:50,080 But if my gets nerfed to bottom one, you're just going to 828 00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:51,280 complain about the next character? 829 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:56,760 You yes, yes, but let me compare her crutching media punches. 830 00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:01,080 So my scratching media punch 6 frames 15 how many frames 831 00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:08,040 recovery It has I believe 1615 frames recovery 6 frame start 832 00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:09,880 up. We compare it to Terry. 833 00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:14,880 Terry crutching media punch 6 frames, 131415 frames start 834 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:20,960 recovery 15 frames on a width. OK, so let me double check that. 835 00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:26,680 15 frames on width for Terry and 17 frames on WIF for my. 836 00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,200 There's more, there's a. Lot. 837 00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,560 There's a. Lot of characters DJs the same, 838 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:35,120 it's it's DJ has the same thing. DJs crush media punch. 839 00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,440 Actually it's very similar to my, but what's the difference? 840 00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,280 I I think people are calling out stuff. 841 00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:44,840 But for me, by the way I see it, it's more of a game problem. 842 00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,040 It's not it's not my 'cause you my can get nerve to the bottom 843 00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:49,960 1. I feel like people just jump on 844 00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:51,960 Sagat next or Ed or whoever it might be. 845 00:42:52,240 --> 00:42:54,120 Yes, they. Would, but here's my point about 846 00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:57,600 that as someone who's been, you know, I played those characters 847 00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,480 while they were top 1 and I felt the brunt of that discourse. 848 00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,640 I played JP season 1. I know how it goes right? 849 00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,680 Maybe I'm biased here, but I feel like all of those 850 00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,320 characters are far more entertaining while they're 851 00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,240 broken. My. 852 00:43:11,240 --> 00:43:13,320 My is just boring as all hell to me. 853 00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:18,200 I think my is the most boring character to be a top one 854 00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,640 candidate in the game. I think that's my opinion. 855 00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:25,120 I think. There is an I think there's an 856 00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:29,640 argument for fighting game players, but I think it's a huge 857 00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:33,360 hot topic for fighting games. Should the easy Should the easy 858 00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:34,760 character be the best in the game? 859 00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,120 Or should the Super technical character be the best in the 860 00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,840 game? But then I feel like neither 861 00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,080 side is right, or neither side has a good enough argument. 862 00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:46,840 So while I do think my being really strong is a bad thing, I 863 00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:51,320 don't think in some magical world if they made JP the best 864 00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,360 in the game it's just going to fix all the problems either, 865 00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:54,200 right? I. 866 00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:57,760 I don't necessarily think so, but if I had to pick and choose, 867 00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:02,280 I just think my is a very boring character so I would not pick my 868 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:07,360 She she just very quickly forces the the the worst parts about 869 00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,680 the Street Fighter Six flow chart in this into it gets into 870 00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,960 the throw situation way too easily and it loops itself so 871 00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:16,000 fast I can say. The same with Luker Ken in the 872 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:20,160 beginning though Luker. Ken their neutral is a lot more 873 00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,320 interesting in my opinion. That's just more interesting. 874 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,080 I I, I do think I, I, I agree with you. 875 00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,520 Like they all it's, it's a game problem as well. 876 00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:30,960 Like my represents to me the worst part about Street Fighter 877 00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,800 6 plus the fan situation, which forces it even harder. 878 00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:38,800 But I think my's more boring. I I just call me biased. 879 00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,640 I it's more boring. I do think it's it's an influx 880 00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:44,920 because I do think there's way more my players than there were 881 00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:50,360 like Luke and Ken. But I do more so see it like I I 882 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,080 still think it's AI think it's overall more of a game problem. 883 00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,640 Sure. I don't, I don't disagree, I 884 00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:59,520 don't disagree overall, but I personally would vote to tone 885 00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,920 down something about Mike 'cause I I think it's a little more a 886 00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:06,360 little boring that that's we might take, but people, you 887 00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,320 know, have different opinions on this. 888 00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,960 But it's definitely caused a big discourse because of course, 889 00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:15,760 shell high after that reset 31 dominates the the grand finals 890 00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,320 final set 3O. And you can even hear like the 891 00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:23,120 the the clip where Xiao Hai lands the final crouching medium 892 00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:24,880 cake. Of course, he walks in and out 893 00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,080 of range baits at the web like he's just playing great neutral 894 00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,120 at that point, controlling the spacing really well. 895 00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:33,840 Top tier God player with a top tier God character right now. 896 00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,760 And it's a recipe for championships. 897 00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:40,920 But you hear the crowd go like he lands the last crouching 898 00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:42,880 medium cake whip punish and the driver's cancel. 899 00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:46,160 And you hear Oh man. And then you know, he runs away 900 00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:47,520 with it. That's. 901 00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:49,000 I didn't. I didn't know that happened. 902 00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,440 I went to the bar after Mcgeeks got eliminated. 903 00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:53,880 Well, I actually started walking out. 904 00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:57,320 A lot of people were done when it was most a sigat happening. 905 00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:58,680 I I was. I was done. 906 00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,000 I was I was hanging out with my friends and I was like, all 907 00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,120 right, Russ beat everyone to the bar as soon as as soon as Kobe 908 00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:07,120 Yan lost. I was like, I I'll I'll watch 909 00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:07,720 this. Whatever. 910 00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:09,480 I'll watch this later. Yeah, it. 911 00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,360 Deflated a little bit of the high, but it's still an amazing 912 00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:13,720 tournament. Results. 913 00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,760 It's a little unfortunate that the character selection makes it 914 00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:20,200 feel less interesting because there's so much lore to the 915 00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,560 narrative, right? And Xiaohai getting another 916 00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,320 championship. Xiaohai man, after this 917 00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:29,320 tournament. Just to be clear, this guy a 918 00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:33,040 month ago won EVO Japan for City of the Wolves. 919 00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:38,240 So he qualified out of that tournament for Esports World Cup 920 00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:43,040 and the S&K World Championship for City of the Wolves. 921 00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,120 With this tournament he qualified for Esports World Cup 922 00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,160 and Capcom Cup. For Street Fighter Six. 923 00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:52,240 He's in 4 tour finals across two different games. 924 00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,320 This man is just collecting all the paychecks. 925 00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:58,600 There's all this funny money being of floated to the scene 926 00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,160 right now. He's collecting all of the city 927 00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:05,000 Wolves paychecks and he's he's getting all the bags for Street 928 00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,720 Fighter Six. He has the chance to three peat 929 00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:12,800 Esports World Cup. Now is the greatest time to do 930 00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:14,520 it. He's he's playing amazing. 931 00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:16,960 He has the confidence. I do think there is like a a 932 00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,600 little mental thing and I've always I've said this plenty of 933 00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,440 times as well. If you have the confidence in 934 00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:22,960 your character, you feel unstoppable. 935 00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,400 If you don't feel like your character is like weak or you 936 00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:29,600 pick literally the best like tool for the job, your 937 00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:31,120 confidence is at an all time high. 938 00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,760 So I could only guess that Xiao Hai is definitely feeling that 939 00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,440 could he's playing my Mai's really strong. 940 00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:40,280 Also playing Billy Billy's really strong in city as well. 941 00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,840 So he's definitely like confidence. 942 00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,240 Is at its peak, I would say, right? 943 00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:46,520 Yeah. It's interesting because in 944 00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,960 Street Fighter League USA, you know, he had like a really bad 945 00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:52,120 start in the first half and did better in the second-half. 946 00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:55,240 But then Punk managed to clutch it up and eliminate him from the 947 00:47:55,240 --> 00:47:57,120 playoffs. But I feel like there's been a 948 00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,200 little bit of a valley for him right now for Street Fighter 949 00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:00,240 Six. And then suddenly he's back 950 00:48:00,240 --> 00:48:02,720 again. Like, it's crazy. 951 00:48:02,720 --> 00:48:04,480 Like it reminds me of MENA Rd. right? 952 00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,120 Like MENA Rd. is kind of the same way. 953 00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:07,600 Xiaohai is now kind of the same way. 954 00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,800 And he's been pretty consistent at hitting these decent peaks. 955 00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,600 Top 8 at Evo Vegas now wouldn't come a breaker. 956 00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,840 Like he always keeps showing up in these critical moments. 957 00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:23,400 So Xiaohai make it a run for being one of the like, top five 958 00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,920 best Street Fighter six players easy at this point, which is 959 00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:29,680 interesting because I do feel like he doesn't have that many 960 00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:34,160 titles, but the ones he have he has are just so impressive. 961 00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:36,400 Like MENA Rd. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 962 00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,000 Xiaohai is winning the ones you want to win. 963 00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,080 MENA Rd. is winning the ones you want to win. 964 00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:45,280 Like not to say like, hey man, you know, winning, winning like 965 00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:48,640 a ACEO doesn't mean anything or winning like a UFA doesn't mean 966 00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:50,920 anything. But if it if I had to pick, I 967 00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:52,680 definitely want to win like a Calcom Cup. 968 00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:56,240 The the Ewcs, the Evos, those are the main ones, right? 969 00:48:56,240 --> 00:48:59,440 For sure. So big place is Shanghai and now 970 00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:03,480 of course big ups to the 15 year old new prodigy. 971 00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,640 Taking Bloss is titled You thought you were the youngest 972 00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,280 kid on the block. Now it's me and now and all the 973 00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:11,560 players in top 8 and comma breaker as a whole. 974 00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,360 Super fun tournament to watch and a lot of people had a great 975 00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,680 time at it. So that's comma breaker. 976 00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:19,440 So many narratives coming out of it will be here in the the after 977 00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,680 effects of all these results for some time now. 978 00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:23,760 We'll see how that all shapes up. 979 00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,560 But we already got the spin off discourse immediately after 980 00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:30,760 first to two versus first to three has reared its head once 981 00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,720 more. This time MENA Rd. kicking this 982 00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,080 one off and Matt Rd. had some really close sets this 983 00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:38,560 tournament. The junior set was down to the 984 00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:43,280 wire and you know he was unfortunately on the for him on 985 00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,160 the losing side of that one he tweeted out. 986 00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,320 I wonder how feasible it would be to have first and two pools 987 00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,640 and early and early tournament stages but switch to 1st and 988 00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:54,880 three for top 32. Would make competition so much 989 00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,520 more stable. Deeper layers in the game and 990 00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,640 doesn't seem like a lot of time at it for the event. 991 00:49:59,960 --> 00:50:02,680 It would be amazing. And of course, the moment you 992 00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:06,120 say first to two versus first to three and the FTC, especially 993 00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:09,280 the Street Fighter six side of things, all hell breaks loose 994 00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:12,160 between the people who are like, yeah, obviously we should do 995 00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,560 that. And then the hardcore naysayers 996 00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:21,000 who are like run 15,000,000 locals and pay RTO as a bonus 997 00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,080 before you ever even think. About. 998 00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:26,760 Recommending first to three. So how do we dissect this one? 999 00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:31,560 How do we get into it? I think it's funny and I think 1000 00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,320 this discourse has come up. I, I actually think the Street 1001 00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:36,920 Fighter, Street Fighter 6 is born on 1st to three versus 1002 00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,280 first to two, more than Street Fighter 5 has at this point. 1003 00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:41,520 Because this is insane. This is even a problem during 1004 00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:45,080 SF5. But for my thing, for my 1005 00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:48,760 opinion, I don't I disagree with MENA. 1006 00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,160 I do think the game would probably be better for first to 1007 00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:52,880 three. I know smash does it as well. 1008 00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,360 I don't think smash. I think smash pools are usually 1009 00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,560 like first to two. But when it gets to top 64, top 1010 00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:01,080 32, that's when they start running first to three a lot of. 1011 00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,400 Them now just do full first to three. 1012 00:51:04,240 --> 00:51:06,560 They run less games. I mean, there's a lot of, I'll 1013 00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:09,480 get into my take, but yeah, they run less games, but they do 1014 00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:11,480 first to three all the way from most tournaments now. 1015 00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,720 Yeah, so I I do think it, it's it makes sense. 1016 00:51:15,720 --> 00:51:18,800 Like I feel like the farther you get in bracket I the more games 1017 00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:20,360 you shop, you should probably play. 1018 00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,200 But to go to the actual sports side of things. 1019 00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:24,880 Hey, man, it's the same thing every time. 1020 00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:28,040 Basketball is always first to four, baseball, same thing. 1021 00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:30,120 It's always the same thing. You're not changing the farther 1022 00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,400 you go in bracket. Football is always first to one, 1023 00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,160 can always be worse. You also got to think about it 1024 00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,760 like that. Yeah, I always like to draw 1025 00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:42,040 analogies to other sports, and the one that is always different 1026 00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:44,840 is football. Like every other, almost every 1027 00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:49,440 other competitive scene you get into, they spend far more time 1028 00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:53,640 to actually determine who proceeds in a match or bracket 1029 00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,240 and who decides it's the winner. Almost every other form of 1030 00:51:56,240 --> 00:52:00,400 competition, basketball, baseball, ping pong, they, they 1031 00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:04,240 go on and on the rounds of a match go on so much longer than 1032 00:52:04,240 --> 00:52:05,960 Street Fighter six first to two. It's insane. 1033 00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,880 It's like if you come from that world, you would be blown away 1034 00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:12,200 by the the, the 15 minute, 10 minute first to two that people 1035 00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:15,520 do to decide if if you win the match that you flew across the 1036 00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:17,960 planet to come to the tournament for, right. 1037 00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,280 But football's first to one 'cause I also think they like 1038 00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:23,920 the randomness and also it's too physically demanding. 1039 00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:27,560 Like you just if these were real street fights, we would also do 1040 00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:28,840 first to 1, you know what I mean? 1041 00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:31,880 Like you're going to die. So that's that to me is the 1042 00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:34,520 exception. And people would tell you that 1043 00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,600 Super Bowl and the playoffs are a little random like because 1044 00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:41,440 it's first to one the. Basketball stuff isn't random. 1045 00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:43,640 If if somebody gets injured. Oh, football. 1046 00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:44,160 No. Football. 1047 00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:46,480 Yeah, football. Football's. 1048 00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,680 A random sport like the better teams usually win, sort of. 1049 00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:51,920 But first to one is brutal man. Like you just lose. 1050 00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:56,120 Like, that's just how it is. But before I get into more of my 1051 00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:59,760 take about it, one interesting thing about this, which I even 1052 00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,000 bothered to bring this up, it's a little different this time, 1053 00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:04,080 right? I think the the flavor of this 1054 00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:07,920 discussion and the people discussing it are different 1055 00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:11,440 because a lot of international players spoke up about this, 1056 00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:16,120 which usually doesn't happen. Usually this is of a purely like 1057 00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:19,760 Western American type of conversation, but a couple 1058 00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,840 players threw their hats into the ring in support of MENA Rd. 1059 00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:26,880 Bonshan out of Japan said I honestly don't understand why 1060 00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:29,120 the regulations and formats of tournaments have not been 1061 00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:30,280 changed after Street Fighter Six. 1062 00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:32,920 I would like to know if there are reasons other than time 1063 00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,080 constraints. So Bon Chan speaking up. 1064 00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,040 It's interesting. Bon Chan has been like a lot 1065 00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,120 more vocal, I feel like lately of speaking his mind, which 1066 00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:44,200 historically Japanese players are known for, you know, just 1067 00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:45,920 playing the game. Just not really getting into 1068 00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:49,440 these kind of discussion topics or shaking the boat too much, 1069 00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,320 right? But Bon Chan speaking up saying 1070 00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:56,000 why hasn't it been changed? Another one we had, which was 1071 00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:58,120 interesting is, you know, people are like, oh, you're just salty, 1072 00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,520 you lost, you're just a salty loser. 1073 00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:02,200 How could you complain about this? 1074 00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:08,720 Well we had Xiaohai who just one comma breaker he tweeted out as 1075 00:54:08,720 --> 00:54:11,800 well and he said fully support mine bro MENA Rd. 1076 00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,560 Street Fighter 6 is too volatile for first to two. 1077 00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:19,560 Top 32 needs first to three to reward real skill adaptations 1078 00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:23,680 and give fans a better show. So you got to take away the 1079 00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:25,320 excuse about being salty about losing. 1080 00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:28,560 But one more that was really interesting to me was Kushina. 1081 00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:32,800 Kushina got top 8 at Dream heck Atlanta with Sigat. 1082 00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,600 He's one of the newer players in the scene out of Japan and he 1083 00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:39,320 comes of course from the FPS scene like Sahara does. 1084 00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:42,280 And he said to MENA, I totally agree. 1085 00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,440 Street Fighter 6 is genuinely a God tier game and so much fun. 1086 00:54:45,720 --> 00:54:48,080 But coming from FPS games, hey, don't laugh at that. 1087 00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:49,440 You're not you're not about to laugh at that. 1088 00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:50,520 You got to be careful about this. 1089 00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:54,240 OK? This is about to be clipped and 1090 00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:54,920 circulated. I. 1091 00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:56,520 Was remembering a joke is different. 1092 00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:57,640 That was a sneeze. Right, you were. 1093 00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:58,720 You had a cough. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1094 00:54:58,720 --> 00:55:00,080 OK. Street Fighter 6 is generally a 1095 00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:04,520 God tier game. What's wrong, man? 1096 00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:05,560 OK, you got to. You got to. 1097 00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:07,360 Yeah, OK. Excuse me. 1098 00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:09,520 Sorry, Clear. Your throat OK and so much fun, 1099 00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:12,760 but coming from FPS games, there's more random elements 1100 00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:15,400 than I imagined. I think a lot of people enjoy it 1101 00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:17,480 precisely because of those random elements. 1102 00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:20,160 But when it comes to one V1 tournaments, the bigger the 1103 00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:22,880 skill gap, the better I feel. Wouldn't it be awesome to have 1104 00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:25,280 some monster of a player who just dominates first place? 1105 00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,600 And I fully agree with this part. 1106 00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:32,000 I I love that it comes from someone who's from outside of 1107 00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:37,040 the scene because I do think our competitions are so incongruent 1108 00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:41,520 and incompatible with the stakes and the development of the scene 1109 00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:43,480 where we've gone. There's so much tension between 1110 00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:46,760 so many factors, between the time constraints with what's 1111 00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:50,160 possible with T OS Open bracket format and the scale of the 1112 00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:56,320 tournaments and the grass roots prioritization of tournaments. 1113 00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:59,760 Not necessarily only being about determining the the best player 1114 00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:03,880 in the world or in that room, but also being like an Ave. for 1115 00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:08,920 fun and camaraderie and more of a social element for more casual 1116 00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:13,080 players than purely competition. And all the tour qualifications 1117 00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:16,360 full time pros fall flying around the world to come to test 1118 00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:19,040 their skills to earn qualifications into these 1119 00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:22,360 $1,000,000 prize for tournaments where the goal isn't even to get 1120 00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:24,320 money from that tournament. The goal is to do well in that 1121 00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:26,800 tournament to get money from another tournament, right. 1122 00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,200 So there's this tension from all these different competing 1123 00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:32,840 factors all at one time that always make this conversation 1124 00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:35,160 such a shit show. But if you focus on the 1125 00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:38,640 competition side of thing from outside of this, our sphere, 1126 00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:43,560 it's it's bewildering that people play for these stakes and 1127 00:56:43,720 --> 00:56:45,880 travel around the world and commit so much time and money to 1128 00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:49,880 compete in these formats. It's actually insane. 1129 00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,200 You would never do this in any other competitive space. 1130 00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:57,320 I, it's, it's weird because I do think there is a thing missing 1131 00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:59,760 and I know somebody's going to get mad because they're, I'm, 1132 00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:01,600 they're going to say I'm calling SF6 random. 1133 00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:05,080 But in every other fighting game, I swear to you, the 1134 00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:07,440 players who are winning are not even. 1135 00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:10,280 It's not remotely surprised. Some people will call it boring. 1136 00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:14,400 No Goichi. Goichi 1 Fatal Fury again. 1137 00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:17,080 That's not that surprising. I think Goichi one of the best 1138 00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:20,640 Fatal Fury player. Nitro one, Nitro 1 Guilty Gear 1139 00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:22,960 again. Well, Nitro's really good at 1140 00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:24,600 Guilty Gear. I know Jack and Nitro have been 1141 00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:27,040 kind of having their own little feud and Guilty Gear right now, 1142 00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:30,000 but to me that's exciting. That helps with the storylines 1143 00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:34,560 and stuff like that. Fabulous Zucchini has been 1144 00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:37,880 beating everyone's ass in Marvel and now people are like trying 1145 00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:40,880 to figure out why is O Kaggar Sandal so strong right now? 1146 00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:42,800 Is there any way to counter play the team? 1147 00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:46,000 Stuff like that. I think all that's Zippy, Zippy 1148 00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:48,280 1 Invincible and Zippy was beating everyone's ass and 1149 00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:50,680 Invincible too. So I think that helps. 1150 00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,880 I think people will always say oh that's not fair. 1151 00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:57,280 Street Fighter got like 7000 people playing and there's so 1152 00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:58,680 many killers and stuff like that. 1153 00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:03,520 But at the same time, you never know who's going to win. 1154 00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:07,880 Sahara drought Zahara got like 97th or something. 1155 00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:13,560 Blahs got like 49th, 65th. And it's it's so hard and 1156 00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:17,160 there's no like build up or like fun thing to happen. 1157 00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:19,520 It's cool that Xiaohai won, don't get me wrong, but at the 1158 00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:22,520 same time it's just like, what's the next tournament? 1159 00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:24,000 Blink. I don't know who's going to win 1160 00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:25,960 Blink right? Fucking yeah. 1161 00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:29,920 Fucking I don't know, MENA might win or. 1162 00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,480 Crossover. Or punk or I don't know. 1163 00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:34,800 I'm just name and play it at this point. 1164 00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:38,360 Blahs. Yeah, yeah, no, I, I 100% agree 1165 00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:44,040 with that. I do not like how unpredictable 1166 00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:46,840 Street Fighter 6 results are from as a fan perspective, just 1167 00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:49,560 from spectating. I I because I saw some arguments 1168 00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:51,600 being like oh I think it's first to two because they they think 1169 00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:54,640 it's more exciting for viewers and I don't know if I agree with 1170 00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:57,040 that. The one thing that draws me 1171 00:58:57,040 --> 00:59:01,640 really into the Melee competitive scene, I have been 1172 00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:05,560 following Melee casually, like semi casually for like 10 years 1173 00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:08,680 now or even longer since it was at EVO 2013. 1174 00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:14,240 It's really interesting to see the ebb and flow of the paradigm 1175 00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:18,120 shift of the players over time because that is such a high 1176 00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:22,280 skilled game with first to three and established players. 1177 00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:25,320 You see natural storylines develop over the years as 1178 00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:27,680 players fall in and out of that range. 1179 00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:29,760 And for a long time there was like the five gods. 1180 00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:31,400 People thought no one would fucking breakthrough there. 1181 00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:33,720 Like they even had that title and that that was like the 1182 00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:36,880 paradigm for years. Now suddenly you have players 1183 00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:40,880 like Rap Monster, a 19 year old Luigi player who's beating the 1184 00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:42,200 number one ranked player in the world. 1185 00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:45,760 But when he made his breakout performance, beating Zayn, the 1186 00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:48,400 number one ranked player in the world in like an online first to 1187 00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:52,200 five set, it wasn't just like a flash in the pan like that. 1188 00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:55,640 It was like, OK, he beat this the best player in an unofficial 1189 00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:57,080 set. What does he do the next 1190 00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:59,400 tournament? He beats him in the tournament, 1191 00:59:59,960 --> 01:00:03,560 he gets 9th place, he gets 7th place, he gets 2nd place. 1192 01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:07,000 When you have that breakthrough performance in those formats and 1193 01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:10,200 in those games with longer set formats, these first threes take 1194 01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:13,440 2530 minutes. Sometimes it's. 1195 01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:17,520 Consistency, that's building narrative that you can see the 1196 01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:21,400 momentum going and there was a satisfying build up to this. 1197 01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:24,080 It wasn't like, oh, this kid beat a guy one time and you 1198 01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:26,720 never hear of him again. The big problem with the 1199 01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:30,400 instability with Street Fighter is that often times you see 1200 01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:33,040 someone make the upset. I'll think guy Guy, for example, 1201 01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:34,680 amazing Zengi player, amazing player. 1202 01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:39,120 He doesn't fall into this category, but to say Guy, Guy 1203 01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:41,600 versus Sahara, he beat Sahara the Captain Cup champion off 1204 01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:44,760 stream 21. If he didn't get that win on 1205 01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:47,880 Bonchan on stream, that would just be an interesting trivia 1206 01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:49,840 stat point. You get what I'm saying? 1207 01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:52,720 It's not a narrative. It's not something satisfying. 1208 01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:56,600 It's like an FGC Jeopardy who put Sahara the Captain Cup 1209 01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:58,720 champion into losers on, you know, it would just be a stat 1210 01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:01,680 point that only people who read through the brackets would know. 1211 01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:06,360 So the longer set format, because the game is volatile and 1212 01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:09,880 fast enough to require that if it can help to shake up and make 1213 01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:13,160 things a little bit more consistent, I think that makes 1214 01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:15,560 it more satisfying for the viewers because the viewers 1215 01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:18,640 crave storylines and they can naturally feel the storylines. 1216 01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:21,680 And when you have randomness across too many brackets, it 1217 01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:24,040 prevents that from forming. So I, I disagree with the take 1218 01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:25,520 that first to two is more exciting. 1219 01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:28,680 It's exciting like candy. It's an instant dopamine hit 1220 01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:32,760 when you see an upset, but it's not a satisfying full 5 course 1221 01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:34,920 meal, Steak, potato, veggies and dessert. 1222 01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:38,120 You know what I mean, but. I think the other problem is if 1223 01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:41,640 the guy who's I think there's a lot of people in the world and 1224 01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:44,240 this is even just like sports and esports, because you brought 1225 01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:47,200 up the five gods of Melee back in the day with Marvel. 1226 01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:50,440 It was the the three gods. If if there was a tournament, 1227 01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:56,120 top three was going to be F champ, Chris G and Justin Wong. 1228 01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:59,680 And it was always those three in the top three until KBR came 1229 01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:01,520 around and started, you know, scooping them. 1230 01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:06,360 But at the same time that that to me is something cool and it 1231 01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:08,080 builds a really hype story like you said. 1232 01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:11,800 But I do think Capcom or even just like other players would 1233 01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:17,560 rather have, Hey, imagine if Meno is just getting top three 1234 01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:20,440 every bracket, our top what are just winning every bracket. 1235 01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:23,800 And then it just starts becoming devolving into oh, block is 1236 01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:25,760 broken. It starts and I feel like it 1237 01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:30,600 takes away from the excitement are no, no, it's Street Fighter 1238 01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:31,840 six. It just feels much weird because 1239 01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:35,720 I feel like there's not really much of AA character buildup or 1240 01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:37,920 it's still going to be random. I I don't want to say it's still 1241 01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:42,040 going to be random because like, I don't know, but it's still 1242 01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:45,040 going to have the problem of it's first to two. 1243 01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:47,040 We made it first to three. It's going to turn to 1st to 1244 01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:49,520 four because I got third looped in the first to three. 1245 01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:51,720 Then I got de eyed in the first to four. 1246 01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:57,400 So 9 needs to be first to five. No, there has to be a, a, a, a 1247 01:02:57,520 --> 01:03:00,000 limit. And also like people bring up 1248 01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:02,800 stat points and people, I now see people quoting me quoting 1249 01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:05,440 stat points. I have been trying to find the 1250 01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:08,000 original data I can pull up about like how much of an impact 1251 01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:12,120 versus 2 versus first 2-3 has. There was an original study done 1252 01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:15,200 on CPT tournaments from Street Fighter Five that found that the 1253 01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:18,320 player who was who had already lost the first two games, how 1254 01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:21,520 often do they win the first 2-3? So they were down to one or two 1255 01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:24,520 and they still won, which means versus 3 made a difference. 1256 01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:27,040 And it was something around 10 to 15% of the time it made a 1257 01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:28,640 difference. I can't find that. 1258 01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:30,600 I wish I could find that data. I think that person who 1259 01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:32,840 calculated, I can't remember their name, it's been years. 1260 01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:35,040 I think they moved on from the community, but they had all the 1261 01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:37,480 stat points from CPT events. That was Street Fighter 5. 1262 01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:40,160 I would argue it's probably bigger than Street Fighter six, 1263 01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:45,720 just just anecdotally, but 10% at a minimum is still very 1264 01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:47,800 significant in my opinion for swaying the results of a 1265 01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:49,840 tournament. Compound that over every single 1266 01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:52,400 match across the tournament you could have drastically different 1267 01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:54,880 outcomes. And we even saw Kobean. 1268 01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:58,840 His win was only because they did first to three at Dreammec 1269 01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:01,080 Atlanta. We would not have seen Kobean 1270 01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:03,080 finally win a major if it wasn't for first to three. 1271 01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:06,600 He was down O2 versus Kushina. The guy who said we should do 1272 01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:08,800 first to three to make things less random coming from FPS 1273 01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:12,720 games, he came back against that player 3 O and grand finals. 1274 01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:15,760 He did it twice in each set against nephew, down O2 each 1275 01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:19,480 time to reset and down O2 in grand finals last set to to win 1276 01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:22,080 the tournament. It makes a difference in terms 1277 01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:24,960 of the player outcome, but you get diminishing returns. 1278 01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:27,800 How much percentage change it'll it'll level out as you keep 1279 01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:29,040 adding more games. Right? 1280 01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:33,000 First to three I think is a sweet spot which we can do. 1281 01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:35,680 And the other argument is there's no time, time 1282 01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:39,960 constraints, first of three has been done for years at UFA and 1283 01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:41,920 Brussels challenge in Europe all the way through. 1284 01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:44,880 Like I always see like people who just immediately go, Oh no, 1285 01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:46,720 it can't be done, it's impossible. 1286 01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:50,640 It's been done It's been people are doing this. 1287 01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:54,000 We they TNS also for online it's different cause online runs 1288 01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:56,520 parallel everything else. But TNS can't open or run online 1289 01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:58,760 all the time. The even the CPT online 1290 01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:01,000 tournaments are first to two because they have to follow the 1291 01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:04,000 format consistently throughout every event for some reason. 1292 01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:05,840 So even CPT online is first to two. 1293 01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:07,680 There's no time constraints for online. 1294 01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:11,440 I also. I mean, they've been doing first 1295 01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:12,440 to two. I feel like they've been doing 1296 01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:14,000 first to two since the FGC was born. 1297 01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:16,080 So I just, they just kind of got used to it at that point. 1298 01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:18,960 Yeah, I think, I think this comes from unabashed 1299 01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:21,000 traditionalism. I don't think there's any logic 1300 01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:24,400 because I, I, I hate that that drags me with the wall. 1301 01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:27,120 I've seen, I haven't tweeted a thing about this because I see 1302 01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:30,120 so many tweets that make me want to go because they're just 1303 01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:32,800 lying. They're just lying and or 1304 01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:36,040 they're just wilfully ignorant at this point because we have 1305 01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:38,360 done 1st at three man. It's it exists. 1306 01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:41,720 UFA was first to three until it became part of CPT again. 1307 01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:44,320 Then they were forced to go back to first to two because you have 1308 01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:46,400 to have, you have to follow the CPT rules. 1309 01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:49,320 CPT sets the rules. Capcom controls this from the 1310 01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:54,200 top down for Capcom Pro Tour. So I think it would be 1311 01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:57,480 objectively better for everybody. 1312 01:05:57,760 --> 01:05:59,920 I, I think people would enjoy watching it. 1313 01:05:59,920 --> 01:06:02,240 I think there would be some things that are more boring and 1314 01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:05,480 some things that are better or more things that are better. 1315 01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:10,760 I I think there are like three other like factors. 1316 01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:14,280 I do also think you got to think about, hey, what about the? 1317 01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:19,520 That the. 1800 DJ that might have beaten ending Walker in 1318 01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:23,000 pools but it was first to three so now I got screwed over so he 1319 01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:25,760 could have went on in bracket. What are you you're thinking 1320 01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:27,240 about from the pro players perspective? 1321 01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:31,680 What about the 1800 DJ? I'm sitting at home watching 1322 01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:34,560 this tournament item. I'm thinking about what do I 1323 01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:36,720 want to watch? I don't want to watch the 1800 1324 01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:39,880 DJ win the first of two, then immediately lose right after. 1325 01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:41,920 It's still. An exciting. 1326 01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:45,480 It's still a exciting upset. It's exciting, it's exciting. 1327 01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:48,400 Upset. Just like, you know, eating a 1328 01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:51,240 pop in a Starburst is exciting, but that's not your dinner. 1329 01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:53,960 That that's what I'm saying it's it's ultimately unfulfilling. 1330 01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:56,480 It's empty calories, man, It's empty calories. 1331 01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:59,120 If you can stream together a series of upsets and longer 1332 01:06:59,120 --> 01:07:01,400 sets, then there's nothing you can detract from that. 1333 01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:04,760 And that shows a level of skill that means holy shit, you, you 1334 01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:06,600 showed up here. Like that's what's more 1335 01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:09,480 exciting. The more as a thought 1336 01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:11,120 experiment. Take it to the other extreme. 1337 01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:13,680 If the game becomes totally fucking random, which it's not, 1338 01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:16,280 obviously Street Fighter 6 is a very much a skill based game, 1339 01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:18,920 but it's a volatile game that would benefit from first to 1340 01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:21,080 three, just like a lot of other games are like that. 1341 01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:23,880 We just played an obscenely, I cannot stress enough how 1342 01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:27,880 obscenely short a first to two is to determine the better 1343 01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:30,440 player in almost any competitive endeavour. 1344 01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:32,760 It's absurd. So if you go to the other 1345 01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:36,200 extreme where this is literally flipping a 1/4 and calling heads 1346 01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:39,560 or tails, it's not satisfying in any sense of the way because 1347 01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:43,880 it's just purely random, right? Like, and if it's if it's 20% 1348 01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:47,360 skill based and 80% luck, it's still not satisfying. 1349 01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:51,800 It's too much luck, right? So there's a sweet spot here and 1350 01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:54,560 I don't think luck based things are satisfying to watch. 1351 01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:59,400 It's just not. It just doesn't show the the 1352 01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:02,160 element of skill expression or narrative that you build from 1353 01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:07,360 some level of consistency. I don't value too much, too many 1354 01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:09,320 upsets. I value an upset where it's 1355 01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:11,160 like, holy shit, it's a really strong player. 1356 01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:14,320 Like a blah situation. Blah's upsets were impactful 1357 01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:16,880 because he took out the best players in the world first to 1358 01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:20,880 three. That's it man No excuses, no 1359 01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:22,720 nothing. He showed clear, consistent 1360 01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:27,240 skill in game knowledge above his opponent's levels and they 1361 01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:29,840 could not adapt. That to me is exciting. 1362 01:08:30,319 --> 01:08:35,960 First to two It's cool but narratively flat I I. 1363 01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:39,279 Also think and yeah, and at least from my perspective, I 1364 01:08:39,279 --> 01:08:42,840 also think there's another side of this that Calcom doesn't 1365 01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:44,640 like. When like pro players or top 1366 01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:47,399 players say the game needs to be first to three, could you're 1367 01:08:47,399 --> 01:08:49,279 essentially calling the game random at that point? 1368 01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:51,960 I really do think that's not a good look either. 1369 01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:54,640 You're calling the game random if it needs to be 1st at 3:00 1370 01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:56,960 because if the game wasn't random, you wouldn't be arguing 1371 01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:59,439 against first at 2 I. Watch, I'm telling you, I 1372 01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:01,800 watched that ping pong match at the Olympics. 1373 01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:03,520 They played one round of the tournament. 1374 01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:06,160 Took three hours. Dude, they play so many games. 1375 01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:09,680 I'm just saying like, like, like that's a little too sensitive. 1376 01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:11,800 All games have an element of randomness in it. 1377 01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:13,640 That's normal. That's that's normal. 1378 01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:15,760 And I think you just mitigate that by playing the set a little 1379 01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:18,000 bit longer. I think Capcom likes the pace of 1380 01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:20,279 the game and likes the random elements of it because I think 1381 01:09:20,279 --> 01:09:21,680 that gets players hooked on playing. 1382 01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:23,600 I know we had this. I know you don't like my 1383 01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:25,399 crackpot theory about the the gameplay loop. 1384 01:09:25,399 --> 01:09:28,720 I honestly do believe that randomness is the most addicting 1385 01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:31,479 factor. Addiction stems from gambling. 1386 01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:34,800 Which stems to randomness 100%. That's why people like. 1387 01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:37,800 That's why people like what's a genre game? 1388 01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:41,399 The fucking yeah, yeah, they like Rd. like games. 1389 01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:43,359 That's why those games are always so popular. 1390 01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:46,920 But yeah, it's I don't know, it's weird. 1391 01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:50,680 And my my last point on this. I don't think games need to be 1392 01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:52,680 first at 3 unless you can literally get touched at depth 1393 01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:55,400 in though if if it can't happen, I don't I don't think your game 1394 01:09:55,400 --> 01:10:00,920 needs to be 1st at 3:00. That's that's not a touch of 1395 01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:02,480 death. You got you got like four or 1396 01:10:02,480 --> 01:10:04,480 five interactions. They're they're boring 1397 01:10:04,480 --> 01:10:07,760 interactions, but there are four or five interactions there. 1398 01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:12,240 Yeah, I I mean, I just. Think the most effective way, if 1399 01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:14,400 Capcom doesn't want to address the games they clearly don't 1400 01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:17,440 just make it first to three. I, I and I don't really buy the 1401 01:10:17,440 --> 01:10:20,360 logistics argument. Like combo breaker had hardly 1402 01:10:20,360 --> 01:10:23,760 any games on stream because the the down time between games was 1403 01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:26,840 crazy and people make the argument oh there'll be less 1404 01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:29,680 games on stream, they're all already or hardly any games on 1405 01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:31,560 stream. I don't know. 1406 01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:34,120 I I just feel like most arguments against it fall very 1407 01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:36,360 flat. But there I understand the 1408 01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:40,360 tension and also like day 1A combo breaker, for example, I 1409 01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:42,000 saw a bunch of double perfects, right? 1410 01:10:42,160 --> 01:10:44,280 So there's that as well. If you do it early, there's 1411 01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:46,600 going to be some lopsided matches that just extend longer 1412 01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:48,880 for no reason. So like I mentioned in the 1413 01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:50,760 beginning, I think there's so many different factors. 1414 01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:53,440 This is a culture clash of like, where are we going? 1415 01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:55,960 These people are traveling for millions of dollars and putting 1416 01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:58,800 their whole career on the line versus people who are in the 1417 01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:01,240 sham to hang out with their friends and drink all weekend. 1418 01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:03,680 You know what I mean? Like and so it's another it's a 1419 01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:06,080 classic E sports versus grassroots type type attention 1420 01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:08,280 going on. And we have not resolved that. 1421 01:11:08,440 --> 01:11:12,000 And so this will go on for eternal, but I feel like first 1422 01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:16,360 of three is a compromise in this situation for the the the format 1423 01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:19,320 like the first of three is the is a compromise to keep the 1424 01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:22,320 grassroots and the E sports thing going is how I feel. 1425 01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:24,720 But not everyone everyone agrees. 1426 01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:27,640 But it has been done. I need this argument to stop. 1427 01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:30,240 It has been done. First of three Street Fighter 6 1428 01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:32,200 tournaments have been done with no problem many times. 1429 01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:36,000 That part drives me nuts when people say that though. 1430 01:11:36,160 --> 01:11:39,080 Anyways, this will be another dead horse that will be revived 1431 01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:40,880 to be beat down once again, I'm sure. 1432 01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:44,520 Let's cap on finally responds. Hey, we'll get right back to the 1433 01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:47,200 discussion, but first, I'm proud to thank today's sponsor, 1434 01:11:47,440 --> 01:11:49,120 Victrix. 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So we have the pretty much 1465 01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:06,040 nearly final leaderboard count for EVO registration. 1466 01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:09,280 And this is always a big point of contention because it's like 1467 01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:12,200 the different community games like squaring up to see who's 1468 01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:16,080 the big dog. And also more importantly, where 1469 01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:19,000 do you where does your top 8 take place? 1470 01:13:19,240 --> 01:13:22,920 Because the top three for the registration leaderboard gets 1471 01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:26,120 the Sunday spots, obviously the most registered event event, and 1472 01:13:26,120 --> 01:13:31,400 it gets the Sunday finale spot. And then below that 4-5 and 1473 01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:35,400 maybe 6 I believe are on Saturday mainstage top 8. 1474 01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:39,800 So if you're the 4th place, you end up being the closing finale 1475 01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:42,000 show on Saturday, 1st place closing on Sunday. 1476 01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:44,320 And of course Street Fighter 6 is. 1477 01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:46,280 They haven't put out the numbers, but Street Fighter 6 is 1478 01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:50,280 going to blow the fucking water out of every other game as 1479 01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:52,440 always. I think Tekken would probably be 1480 01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:54,480 about half of what Street Fighter Six has. 1481 01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:56,440 It won't be. It won't be as bad as EVO Japan, 1482 01:13:56,440 --> 01:13:58,440 but it'll probably be like half. If Street Fighter 6 has like 1483 01:13:58,440 --> 01:14:01,320 5000, I think Tekken 8 would probably get like 2500. 1484 01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:04,120 Yeah, so EVO. Japan was what, like 7000 for 1485 01:14:04,120 --> 01:14:08,440 Street Fighter Six and like 900? Yeah, less than a. 1000, right? 1486 01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:11,240 Yeah, yeah, it'll be better for sure at Evo Vegas. 1487 01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:14,440 You're right about that. So current leaderboard as of May 1488 01:14:14,440 --> 01:14:16,360 25, 2026 is where the drama started. 1489 01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:22,800 Number one Street Fighter 62 Tekken 8 32 XKO, which that I 1490 01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:26,760 feel like that's kind of dodging some some heat right now because 1491 01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:30,040 of the next game that's a little surprising right two XKO on 3rd 1492 01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:33,400 I'm. Not I will be very, I was very 1493 01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:36,280 surprised. But at the same time, America 1494 01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:38,840 likes tag fighters. So maybe if people have been 1495 01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:41,760 getting into it, maybe it's another one of the people 1496 01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:44,720 registering early problems. So I don't know. 1497 01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:47,320 I'm not going to say anything. It's cool to see two SKO top 1498 01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:49,680 eight. I even 2 SKO's combo Breaker top 1499 01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:51,440 8 was really good so good on them. 1500 01:14:52,240 --> 01:14:55,520 I strongly suspect this is going to be because people registered 1501 01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:57,360 when the game was new or coming out. 1502 01:14:57,440 --> 01:14:59,320 I strongly suspect I think there's going to be a ton of 1503 01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:01,480 DQS. I'll say it like I'm not trying 1504 01:15:01,480 --> 01:15:04,080 to rock on 2X KOI think it's a cool game too, but I don't think 1505 01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:06,400 it's going to naturally carry the numbers to be third on this 1506 01:15:06,400 --> 01:15:08,280 leaderboard. Just like City of the Wolves, 1507 01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:11,400 this combo breaker had a massive drop off, more than 50%. 1508 01:15:11,400 --> 01:15:13,400 In terms of entrance, it was the same thing. 1509 01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:15,800 This was like the first major when City of the wolves was 1510 01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:19,280 releasing or announced or like it's the first big major coming 1511 01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:21,880 up post release of the game. So everyone before they even 1512 01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:24,040 play the game registers for the, for the, the tournament. 1513 01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:26,600 I registered for city of the wolves at comma breaker. 1514 01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:29,000 I was playing the game, but I, I didn't go to my pool. 1515 01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:31,680 I was busy. Look, maybe nursing a hangover 1516 01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:36,200 or something, I don't know. So I, I strongly suspect a lot 1517 01:15:36,200 --> 01:15:38,280 of people signed up for two XKO and they're not going to show 1518 01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:39,880 up, but we'll see. Maybe I'll be proven wrong, 1519 01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:43,680 it'll be I'll be checking out the top 8 no matter what. 1520 01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:48,120 But the game taking all the heat right now is #4 which is not 1521 01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:52,880 guilty of your strife. It is Rivals of Ether, 2A 1522 01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:57,240 platform fighter from Off Brand Games, the game publishing 1523 01:15:57,240 --> 01:16:01,240 company, from content creator and former Melee personality and 1524 01:16:01,240 --> 01:16:04,480 commentator Ludwig. And this is where the drama 1525 01:16:04,480 --> 01:16:08,840 starts because people are first seeing this, a lot of people 1526 01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:10,320 from the core. If you see going, you know, 1527 01:16:11,080 --> 01:16:12,880 they're like like, what is what is this? 1528 01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:16,600 What am I looking at? And then two, they're like, oh 1529 01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:18,200 shit, guilt of your strive is getting beat. 1530 01:16:18,280 --> 01:16:23,840 And then three, they hear, Oh shit, the Ludwig Astroturf evo. 1531 01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:26,960 That's what that's what the the discourse says. 1532 01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:28,040 We'll get we'll get into the details. 1533 01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:29,840 I don't think he did necessarily, but that's the 1534 01:16:29,840 --> 01:16:32,240 discourse. I I don't think he did either. 1535 01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:34,760 But at the same time I mean. I've never played Rivals of 1536 01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:38,520 Ether too, but it must be fun. I mean, Ludwig's pushing it. 1537 01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:41,120 I've heard people talk about it at events and people are always 1538 01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:42,920 playing it. I think I was saw it, it was 1539 01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:45,400 going on next to Marvel, I think during column Breakers. 1540 01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:47,960 So people are playing it. It's not like dead dead game, 1541 01:16:48,280 --> 01:16:52,240 not like DNF duel. I do think it's I think it's 1542 01:16:52,240 --> 01:16:55,000 it's it's cool. And plus Ludwig's going there to 1543 01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:58,520 play Street Fighter Six anyway for the the event with Tyler 1. 1544 01:16:58,520 --> 01:17:01,760 So, you know, now you'll have Rivals of Anything to play and 1545 01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:05,160 some Street Fighter 6. Yeah, Rivals of Ether 2 is 1546 01:17:05,160 --> 01:17:09,040 probably. The most successful non smash 1547 01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:11,400 smash platform fighter like it's managed to. 1548 01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:12,880 Survive. Because every other platform 1549 01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:15,680 fighter either has like a initial burst and then 1550 01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:19,440 completely dies. Rivals of Ether has survived. 1551 01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:22,480 I guess Bra Hollow is like an alternate reality even amongst 1552 01:17:22,480 --> 01:17:25,400 the platform fighter world. So rivals of ether. 1553 01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:30,800 I'm just checking the the steam charts. 819 players, 24 hours so 1554 01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:33,400 not terrible honestly for fighting numbers that's more 1555 01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:34,760 than a lot of these fighting games. 1556 01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:38,840 It's below guilty or strive numbers but it's more than most 1557 01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:43,840 to be honest, which is not much. So it's found its niche and 1558 01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:47,680 people are pissed because Ludwig had initially started some 1559 01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:50,160 programs. I saw actually his stream live 1560 01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:54,200 when he announced this and I was like sounds cool man, but I 1561 01:17:54,200 --> 01:17:55,520 don't know if it's going to come back to bite you. 1562 01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:59,480 He was saying how he wanted to make this the largest rivals of 1563 01:17:59,480 --> 01:18:02,960 Ether tournament ever and for that he's going to be running 1564 01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:08,720 some online tournaments, supplying passes to T OS and 1565 01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:10,800 going through other tournament results and basically saying, 1566 01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:14,360 hey, if you place top eight top 128, whatever, I will pay for 1567 01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:17,440 your registration to evo. So it was run through community 1568 01:18:17,440 --> 01:18:21,240 tournaments, which I feel like that's fine, that's normal. 1569 01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:23,560 Like it's not normal, but it's like it, it makes sense with the 1570 01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:25,360 spirit of it. You're rewarding people who are 1571 01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:29,680 actively playing your in your game and participating and show 1572 01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:31,320 an interest and are doing well, right? 1573 01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:33,600 It kind of all makes sense. It's kosher to me. 1574 01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:37,080 But I think at one point it started to grow a little bit 1575 01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:40,200 more in scale that it's like if you sign up for Rivals of Ether 1576 01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:43,000 and show proof of registration, we pay for it. 1577 01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:46,360 So Ludwig bought all these EVO passes and started distributing 1578 01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:48,120 them. And I think some people might be 1579 01:18:48,120 --> 01:18:50,160 taking advantage of it. So I don't know the exact 1580 01:18:50,160 --> 01:18:53,400 details when it grew in scale, but I think this is where people 1581 01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:56,720 started to get a little like, hey, is this dude just buying 1582 01:18:56,720 --> 01:19:01,000 out EVO and removing my game from the finale on Saturday and 1583 01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:04,240 supplanting it with his is, is he astroturfing this? 1584 01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:06,120 Is it artificial? Like this discourse started to 1585 01:19:06,120 --> 01:19:08,880 build and a lot of people will have the full context of it and 1586 01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:10,320 a lot of people are pissed about it. 1587 01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:13,200 And I think there's like layers to that because beyond it just 1588 01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:16,120 being someone like paying to help boost the numbers to get 1589 01:19:16,120 --> 01:19:18,880 more people to Evo, it's also a platform fighter. 1590 01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:22,440 I think there's a culture clash going on here as well. 1591 01:19:22,760 --> 01:19:24,800 Yeah, I know that. I've, I've seen so many people 1592 01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:26,560 saying, you know. Platform fighters aren't real, 1593 01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:28,520 fighting is. But at the same time, I think 1594 01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:30,400 it's cool. I think I think Ludwig is 1595 01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:32,040 actually helping the community a lot. 1596 01:19:32,040 --> 01:19:35,920 You know, getting going to Evo's an experience like not a lot of 1597 01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:38,000 people get to say, yo, I've gone to Evo. 1598 01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:40,720 So I think that that's really good. 1599 01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:46,560 I think it's sick that Ludwig is helping the FGC, but I get where 1600 01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:49,920 people are coming from. I think I think Rivals is going 1601 01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:52,080 to be the first game on Sunday because it's top 4. 1602 01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:54,400 Because it's only four games on Sunday, I think they change it 1603 01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:56,520 to be top three, so that was also. 1604 01:19:56,520 --> 01:19:59,120 My point of confusion as well. Even Ludwig clarified that he's 1605 01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:01,680 saying Saturday night so I had to verify. 1606 01:20:01,680 --> 01:20:03,520 I think they're only doing 3 games on Sundays. 1607 01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:05,440 What was what I'm understanding from this? 1608 01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:09,080 So that's that's I thought it was to get into Sunday, which to 1609 01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:12,360 me is like a bigger. Yeah, I mean, being the closing 1610 01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:13,760 finale on either night is a big deal. 1611 01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:15,400 Like if you're on Saturday, you want to be the final one, I 1612 01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:17,040 suppose. But I thought this was to get 1613 01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:19,640 into the arena on Sunday, which is a huge deal. 1614 01:20:20,240 --> 01:20:24,640 So apparently it's it's not even to open to be the opening game 1615 01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:27,080 on Sunday is. A really big deal like that. 1616 01:20:27,320 --> 01:20:29,720 That stuff is huge. So I, I didn't know it was just 1617 01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:32,400 on Saturday, but I guess even then it's it's cool. 1618 01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:34,680 I I think Ludwig's doing more good for the FTCI. 1619 01:20:34,680 --> 01:20:37,960 Think people are just being like bitter and it's all the this 1620 01:20:38,040 --> 01:20:40,960 old, old heads who are like smashes in a fighting game. 1621 01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:42,800 So this isn't a fighting game either. 1622 01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:45,320 And it's just kind of people being like, why are these non 1623 01:20:45,320 --> 01:20:48,440 fighting games being at my Eva? Well, they're also saying like 1624 01:20:48,440 --> 01:20:50,080 you're artificially inflated in the numbers and. 1625 01:20:50,080 --> 01:20:52,200 It makes other games look smaller when you might have a 1626 01:20:52,200 --> 01:20:54,880 bunch of DQS for your game. And so there's a bit of 1627 01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:57,440 competitiveness for people in their in Group as well. 1628 01:20:57,920 --> 01:21:01,800 And and and you know, so I understand that and it is just a 1629 01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:04,720 culture clash because some people argue like, hey, like if 1630 01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:07,240 you're not already organically going here for traditional 1631 01:21:07,240 --> 01:21:08,640 fighting games, why are you here? 1632 01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:11,640 You know, like there's I, I don't know how I always feel 1633 01:21:11,640 --> 01:21:13,040 about it. I think people are taking it too 1634 01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:16,840 seriously. But I also am sympathetic to the 1635 01:21:16,840 --> 01:21:19,080 idea of gatekeeping a little bit. 1636 01:21:19,160 --> 01:21:22,040 Like, I kind of get it. Like you have to put in, like 1637 01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:24,760 gatekeeping is meant to be done when done healthily. 1638 01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:27,800 It's meant to be like, hey, like you get access to more powerful 1639 01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:30,800 positions in the community once you have demonstrated to share 1640 01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:33,600 the same value. So we know we can trust you, 1641 01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:37,360 right? And so Ludwig hasn't done that 1642 01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:40,520 to have that position of power in the traditional FGC. 1643 01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:42,040 He's come from the Melee side of things. 1644 01:21:42,040 --> 01:21:43,960 So he does have he has connection like he got it. 1645 01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:47,480 He's been to EVO before. Melee used to be at EVO. 1646 01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:50,560 They share a common history. They shared hotel ballrooms. 1647 01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:52,320 Like there is a shared connection there. 1648 01:21:52,680 --> 01:21:55,920 But if you're if you get down to brass tacks, the demographic 1649 01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:59,680 between platform fighter fans, Smash fans and traditional FGC, 1650 01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:02,160 it's two separate circles on a Venn diagram. 1651 01:22:02,160 --> 01:22:04,400 There's like barely an overlap with like some Guilty Gear 1652 01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:06,160 stride. And like there is more these 1653 01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:08,480 days. I think it's it's become more 1654 01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:11,600 cross pollinated. But by and large, if you're a 1655 01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:14,920 marketer making a product, you pick one or the other. 1656 01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:16,360 They're two different demographics. 1657 01:22:16,720 --> 01:22:19,120 So there's a lot of tension there. 1658 01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:21,280 Ludwig did have a response to this. 1659 01:22:21,280 --> 01:22:23,840 I want to read that out. I'm seeing some people are upset 1660 01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:25,880 at the placement of Rivals of Ether 2 at Evo. 1661 01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:28,240 For anyone unaware, I'm publisher for that game. 1662 01:22:28,480 --> 01:22:32,080 I also Remember Remember being in the crowd at Evo 2016 and 1663 01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:34,720 watching Hungry Box beat Armada through losers. 1664 01:22:35,480 --> 01:22:38,200 I like how he's trying to like appeal to like the EVO goers and 1665 01:22:38,200 --> 01:22:40,080 they're all like, we were just waiting for that shit to get off 1666 01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:41,080 the stage. You know what I mean? 1667 01:22:41,080 --> 01:22:43,440 Like, I remember that too. Listen, I would love him there. 1668 01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:46,200 That was a sick grand finals that meant something to me as 1669 01:22:46,200 --> 01:22:47,600 well. I respect that. 1670 01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:50,000 But a lot of people are like, oh, this fucking smash, blur, 1671 01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:51,080 smash. Get these guys. 1672 01:22:51,400 --> 01:22:53,040 Get these guys out of here, right? 1673 01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:55,320 He continues. It was a Seminole weekend. 1674 01:22:55,320 --> 01:22:58,200 For me, I returned from Vegas and started grinding smash, got 1675 01:22:58,200 --> 01:22:59,720 my ass beat. Then I started grinding 1676 01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:02,560 commentary and later on that turned into streaming to have 1677 01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:05,160 another platform fighter and it'd be the one I published. 1678 01:23:05,160 --> 01:23:08,320 Means something to me regardless of how you feel about USDOT dot 1679 01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:10,200 dot. To clarify, I did buy a bunch of 1680 01:23:10,200 --> 01:23:13,200 evil passes to help make this the biggest Rivals 2 tournament 1681 01:23:13,200 --> 01:23:16,960 we've ever had. We handed passes to the top 128 1682 01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:20,880 players, ran online qualifiers, ran locals, and gave passes to T 1683 01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:21,920 OS to give up to their community. 1684 01:23:22,280 --> 01:23:26,360 I'm sure I got taken advantage of of people, sold coal codes, 1685 01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:29,480 shared them without permission and signed up with no intention 1686 01:23:29,480 --> 01:23:30,920 of playing. But that's the price of willing 1687 01:23:30,920 --> 01:23:33,840 to pay to make this the biggest rivals two event we've ever had. 1688 01:23:34,040 --> 01:23:36,960 The community has rallied around this and I'm pumped you go to 1689 01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:39,920 Eva this year. See y'all there Saturday night. 1690 01:23:40,200 --> 01:23:41,600 So he makes a point that it's Saturday. 1691 01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:45,080 So that's his spiel, that's his pitch to clarify what's going 1692 01:23:45,080 --> 01:23:48,000 on, but a lot of people are still a little bit like hey, 1693 01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:51,760 this feels funky. Something about it doesn't smell 1694 01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:56,760 right. I I didn't mean to make a smelly 1695 01:23:56,760 --> 01:24:00,200 smash player. You know that one flew over my 1696 01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:00,360 head. I. 1697 01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:02,640 Wasn't even ready for it. I didn't mean to, it just 1698 01:24:02,640 --> 01:24:03,560 happened. Couldn't help it. 1699 01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:07,200 But yeah, I mean, I, I think, I think this. 1700 01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:10,880 Stuff is it's it's over over over hated. 1701 01:24:10,880 --> 01:24:13,760 If you love a game, you know. I would also want people to play 1702 01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:15,520 it as a Guilty Gear Stride player. 1703 01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:19,520 It does suck that you know Strive is below Rivals of Ether 1704 01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:24,240 and I. I've never played. 1705 01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:26,560 Rivals of ether, but I. Would I? 1706 01:24:27,160 --> 01:24:29,440 If you have to ask me what do I think would probably be a better 1707 01:24:29,440 --> 01:24:30,600 game? I would probably have to lean a 1708 01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:33,640 little bit towards dry, but you know, I think it's cool. 1709 01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:38,240 I I do understand the kind of disdain for somebody just buying 1710 01:24:38,240 --> 01:24:41,800 their way ahead of me, but at the same time I I get it. 1711 01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:44,920 It's just, you know, big, big pond versus small pond. 1712 01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:47,840 And this, I mean this takes me back to literally how Smash 1713 01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:50,480 Melee. Got into EVO over Skullgirls 1714 01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:51,680 right? Like it's the same. 1715 01:24:51,680 --> 01:24:53,520 It's almost the same thing happened again. 1716 01:24:53,520 --> 01:24:56,280 That was worse because the game being in the tournament itself. 1717 01:24:56,520 --> 01:25:00,440 But Smash got into Melee, got into EVO with a poll. 1718 01:25:00,440 --> 01:25:02,600 They had a voting poll and I believe there's like a way to 1719 01:25:02,600 --> 01:25:05,040 buy votes or something. I forget the exact details of 1720 01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:09,520 that system way back in 2013. And so Meili had a big revival 1721 01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:11,760 because of that Evo showing. I watched that EVO. 1722 01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:15,280 I saw wobbles at the grand finals, wobbling everybody where 1723 01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:17,760 the technique is named from with ice climbers because of that. 1724 01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:20,400 And so I got into the like following the competitive scene 1725 01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:23,320 from from that EVO. And so that could have been a 1726 01:25:23,320 --> 01:25:26,600 different timeline if Skullgirls got it instead, right. 1727 01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:29,680 So it's just like this is another tension culture clash 1728 01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:35,480 between platform fighters and, and EVO and, and also Ludwig is 1729 01:25:35,480 --> 01:25:38,480 in the Tyler one. He's in the the show match with 1730 01:25:38,480 --> 01:25:41,040 Tyler one. He's not actively practicing 1731 01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:44,320 Street Fighter. Saudi bought out EVO. 1732 01:25:44,320 --> 01:25:46,960 A lot of people, some people are actually like boycotting Evo, 1733 01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:49,280 not attending. There's there's a lot of factors 1734 01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:52,480 going on right now where I think a lot of people are feeling like 1735 01:25:53,080 --> 01:25:55,320 Evo is not for me. Like, like I think a lot of 1736 01:25:55,320 --> 01:25:57,200 people have some frustrations building up. 1737 01:25:57,480 --> 01:26:01,080 Like it feels less grassroots and less about the, the the core 1738 01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:03,400 FGC who have supported it for so long. 1739 01:26:03,400 --> 01:26:05,080 So I think a lot of factors are at play here that are making 1740 01:26:05,080 --> 01:26:08,440 people grumpy. Yeah, I, I, I agree with you 1741 01:26:08,440 --> 01:26:09,360 there. But I I think that's. 1742 01:26:09,360 --> 01:26:13,120 Why a lot of people are kind of just looking forward to, to CEO 1743 01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:16,000 because like maybe evil is not for them this year, but I know a 1744 01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:21,200 lot of people are going to be attending CEO and I guess having 1745 01:26:21,200 --> 01:26:24,080 having more of a fun time there. I I guess, or at least I hope. 1746 01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:27,000 Yeah, I think a lot of people are pivoting to other 1747 01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:29,680 tournaments because of that. They just feel like Eva's 1748 01:26:29,680 --> 01:26:33,840 getting a little too different, like jumping getting too big for 1749 01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:36,040 its britches. Kind of like there's definitely 1750 01:26:36,040 --> 01:26:38,920 a sense of that going on. We'll see how that actually 1751 01:26:38,920 --> 01:26:42,280 impacts the numbers. I feel like it's still going to 1752 01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:46,400 be huge numbers. I don't see, it's like, I don't 1753 01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:48,400 know, it's gonna be even Japan numbers for Street Fighter, but 1754 01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:50,560 I think it's gonna be still pretty big numbers. 1755 01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:52,720 It's it's Street Fighter Six to me. 1756 01:26:52,720 --> 01:26:55,080 It's Street Fighter 6. I that that game actually makes 1757 01:26:55,080 --> 01:26:57,320 no sense to me, but you know, it keeps getting it keeps getting 1758 01:26:57,320 --> 01:27:00,000 bigger and bigger. So I, I, it's what, what do they 1759 01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:02,480 call it? I'm the one, I'm the contrarian 1760 01:27:02,480 --> 01:27:04,400 who's, who's yelling at Street Fighter Six. 1761 01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:06,040 But for some reason it's getting bigger and bigger. 1762 01:27:06,040 --> 01:27:08,080 So I guess maybe I'm the I'm the idiot? 1763 01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:14,920 What? It's just playing an idiot, I 1764 01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:16,600 don't think. Listen, I don't even think 1765 01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:17,920 you're an idiot. I just think I. 1766 01:27:17,960 --> 01:27:21,600 Think you're taking up a crusade that is is is difficult, man. 1767 01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:24,080 It's you're got, you're got a long journey ahead of you. 1768 01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:26,760 Somebody's got to fight the good fight. 1769 01:27:27,320 --> 01:27:28,080 I see. I see. 1770 01:27:28,080 --> 01:27:32,080 Well, with that, I think we're. Exhausted of our topics here, 1771 01:27:32,560 --> 01:27:34,320 we're going to go ahead and wrap up this episode. 1772 01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:37,120 So much has been happening recently and the build up to EVO 1773 01:27:37,120 --> 01:27:39,320 is getting more intense. Blink Respawn coming up next for 1774 01:27:39,320 --> 01:27:41,040 CPT premieres if you want to check out that. 1775 01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:44,360 And the Dominican Republic, going to be a lot of top players 1776 01:27:44,360 --> 01:27:46,360 going to that in just a couple of weeks as well. 1777 01:27:46,360 --> 01:27:47,720 So we'll be on the lookout for that. 1778 01:27:48,160 --> 01:27:51,440 With that said, Adam, any final words to to wrap this up? 1779 01:27:51,440 --> 01:27:53,360 Any words of wisdom? This is what people look forward 1780 01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:56,720 to at the end. I want to just say thank you to 1781 01:27:56,760 --> 01:27:59,640 everyone at. Combo Breaker who came up to me 1782 01:27:59,840 --> 01:28:02,160 and you said they enjoyed the podcast. 1783 01:28:02,200 --> 01:28:04,480 You know, there was a lot of people actually looking for you 1784 01:28:04,480 --> 01:28:06,680 there as well. Brian, trying to thank you for 1785 01:28:06,680 --> 01:28:10,880 the podcast, but you were Mia. And shout outs to the one guy 1786 01:28:10,880 --> 01:28:12,240 who said I have better opinions than Brian. 1787 01:28:12,240 --> 01:28:15,160 You remember who you are. Only one of them though. 1788 01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:20,240 Vast minority, right? Right, right, Maybe I do got. 1789 01:28:20,240 --> 01:28:23,000 To go to the next tournament and collect tally them up. 1790 01:28:23,520 --> 01:28:25,800 That could be our next bit. Who has the better takes Brian 1791 01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:27,240 or Idom? And we got to we got to get the 1792 01:28:27,240 --> 01:28:29,920 scoreboard going up. All right, guys, that's going to 1793 01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:31,160 be it for extra trashy. We're out. 1794 01:28:31,160 --> 01:28:33,160 Thanks for tuning in. Catch you next time. 1795 01:28:33,280 --> 01:28:34,200 Peace. 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