1 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:07,240 What? What were you doing that day? 2 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:08,640 Were you intentionally rock climbing? 3 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:12,560 Who are you with? So I was with my friend Trevor, 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:18,800 Hunter, Maddie and Isabel, and we were paddle boarding actually 5 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:22,400 across from the deck to where the rocks are. 6 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:25,320 A lot of people will jump off these rocks. 7 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:30,520 There's been couple injuries out there previously, but we paddle 8 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:33,120 boarded across the lake and we were going just to kind of hang 9 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:38,120 out on a beach area that we love to to camp at all the above so. 10 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:43,760 What happened? So a lot of the other people 11 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:46,320 were hanging out paddle boards. We kind of all broke off into 12 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:49,720 different groups. And my friend Trevor and I 13 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:55,400 decided to climb a boulder that was anywhere from 35 to 40 feet. 14 00:00:56,000 --> 00:01:00,640 And it was very mossy and kind of insecure. 15 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:04,800 And then when we got to the top, when he jumped, essentially, if 16 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:08,880 this is the bottom of the Cliff and this is the top, there was 17 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:13,680 black lava rocks on the edge and you really had to jump far and 18 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:17,600 out to clear it. And I saw him and he barely 19 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:20,640 like, made that water zone. And it really freaked me out. 20 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:24,680 And then he kind of swam away. And it was just my friend Isabel 21 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:26,680 down here. She had a GoPro. 22 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:32,520 But then her GoPro died, I guess minutes before this, minutes 23 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:35,760 before this happened. And when I went to jump, I 24 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:37,520 hesitated. I got scared. 25 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,640 And so I fell on my side onto the lava rocks. 26 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:46,840 Wait, hold on, you were rock climbing up Moss. 27 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:50,640 Well, it's kind of like a form of bouldering, but it wasn't 28 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:54,320 anything crazy with grades. It was definitely an easy maybe 29 00:01:54,320 --> 00:02:00,120 like V-0 V1, but yeah, we climbed to the top, bouldered it 30 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:05,040 more like. It's definitely not the steepest 31 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:09,080 climb ever. I don't even know if we could 32 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:11,720 put it in the V-0 range. I at this point, I can't 33 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:15,280 remember how hard it was, but I do remember that there was Moss, 34 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:18,880 the lava rocks. There's a type of Moss. 35 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,760 It's one of my favourites. It's called photosynthesis Moss, 36 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:26,760 and whenever it gets wet, it photosynthesizes within less 37 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:29,600 than 3 minutes. So it'll go from black dormant 38 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:32,320 to bright green. And so that's what was on the 39 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:36,240 rocks with lichen. But a lot of times when people 40 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,600 develop areas to climb, they'll do a lot of route developing 41 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:42,560 where they're cleaning the routes, either scrubbing the 42 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:46,280 Moss off or the lichen and making sure the holes are all 43 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:48,840 clean and secure. How old were you? 44 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:52,440 I was 17. So the senior year of high 45 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:54,120 school. Summer before. 46 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:57,680 Summer before high school. Wow. 47 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,840 And was this a boyfriend? No. 48 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,880 One of my best friends, he's actually married to one of my 49 00:03:03,920 --> 00:03:05,560 really good friends, Brinley. OK. 50 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,960 Yeah. So you at the top, you're both 51 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:14,040 standing there, you're looking over the edge and you were not 52 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:17,040 deciding to climb down because the Moss was too slick. 53 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:20,920 Yeah, and it was not. Not only was the Moss too slick, 54 00:03:20,920 --> 00:03:23,960 but again, when you develop routes, a lot of times routes 55 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:27,880 are chassy, which is where bits and pieces of the rocks kind of 56 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:31,560 fall off and you develop it, make sure it's clean. 57 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:37,240 The more it's climbed, the less chass or more secure the rock 58 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:40,120 becomes. And this rock wasn't really 59 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:42,080 fully secured. It was not. 60 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:44,640 It's not like a place people go and climb. 61 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:46,480 It's not a place people go in Boulder. 62 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:50,280 It was like we were at the lake. It's a place we go swim when 63 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,880 it's really hot in the desert of Saint George, it gets over 100°. 64 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,760 And so in June, that's why we were trying to do was escape the 65 00:03:57,760 --> 00:03:59,560 heat. Had you climbed this boulder 66 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,040 before? No, not like that. 67 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:07,400 No, at least. No, no, no, no 'cause I felt 68 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,080 trapped on top, yeah. How long were? 69 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,280 You up there? I just remember I got up top and 70 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:16,399 I felt that gut wrenching feeling that's like, don't do 71 00:04:16,399 --> 00:04:19,279 that thing. And Isabel was down there 72 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:23,640 waiting for me and Trevor had swam away and I told her I'm 73 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:25,280 scared. I don't know if I want to do 74 00:04:25,280 --> 00:04:28,000 this, but then. What was stopping you from 75 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:30,720 jumping or from being? What was What was causing the 76 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:32,040 fear? Was it the fear of heights? 77 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:33,880 Did you think you were going to hit the rock? 78 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:35,200 Did you think you were going to hit the water? 79 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,600 The rocks, the uneven you saw. Him jump off 1st. 80 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:43,520 Yeah, and and it, I watched him kind of get freaked out with how 81 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:47,480 close he was hitting the rocks. I think seeing his momentum go 82 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:51,320 down, I almost wish that I went first and then he could have 83 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:55,800 gone second. But I also think being up there 84 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:59,680 looking down, I did feel trapped and then a thought in my head 85 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:02,920 went I do not want search and rescue to come and save me 86 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,480 because I don't. This all went through your head 87 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:06,920 before you jumped. Yes. 88 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:10,200 And then it was just like, no, like I just have to go and do 89 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:13,320 it. And Isabel was down here, and 90 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:17,800 she was the one who saw me hit. So when he jumped, did he just 91 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:19,640 jump or did he do like a running start? 92 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:23,360 He did a running start, and that's what, now that you asked 93 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:24,640 me that, that's what freaked me out. 94 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:26,680 It's because I knew I would have to do a running start. 95 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,120 I'm not as coordinated as Trevor that way. 96 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:33,720 Especially then I hadn't climbed as much to the degree I 97 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:37,600 definitely climbed, but I didn't train in the way that I do now 98 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:41,000 in comparison. So yeah, running and jumping off 99 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:44,640 a Cliff, that is the aspect that freaks me out. 100 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:48,040 If you had decided to not jump, what would been the alternative? 101 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:52,760 Either down climbing, which I just don't think was doable 102 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:55,040 because it was like a 40 foot high boulder. 103 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,760 I think in the police report said it 30 to 40 foot Cliff. 104 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:04,480 So down climbing with Moss. No climbing shoes too, right? 105 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:06,240 Like we weren't we didn't have climbing shoes. 106 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:09,360 We didn't have chalk. We were barefoot from like 107 00:06:09,840 --> 00:06:12,120 paddle boarding and swimming. Were you roped up? 108 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:14,000 No ropes. Oh my gosh. 109 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:16,920 Yeah, no ropes because it's not a climbing area. 110 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:20,960 It was like a let's climb this quick section of rock so we can 111 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:23,320 Cliff jump. And when we were going around 112 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:26,480 the rock, I think we thought it was way more secure than it was. 113 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:29,720 And I remember being pretty freaked out on the climb up. 114 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:38,600 But again, I think it was just the insecurity of the rock and 115 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:42,560 the choss. The actual climbing level of it 116 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:45,480 wasn't that extreme. Oh my gosh. 117 00:06:45,840 --> 00:06:49,640 So he jumps, barely clears rock below. 118 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:54,320 How long were you up there? I probably hesitated for 119 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:57,040 anywhere from like 8 to 15 minutes would be my guess. 120 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:00,120 Or like maybe 5 to 15. Psyching yourself out. 121 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,000 Yeah, and that, I think that's like one of the things is you 122 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,560 just always have to commit. And I went back. 123 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,560 I it's so funny you say that. Definitely the running start I 124 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:13,080 remember like backing up on the Cliff ledge so that I could get 125 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:15,520 the running start. I started running and then just 126 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,280 thinking, hell no, stopping right here. 127 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:20,080 And that's what made me fall on my side. 128 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:30,800 So I think I should have committed A or B, just like been 129 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:33,560 OK with calling search and rescue, to be honest with you, 130 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:35,640 because they came anyways when I fell off the clue. 131 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:40,360 Yeah, it's true. Hindsight's always 2020, but. 132 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:43,240 Take me through what happened. Now you're you're hesitating, 133 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:46,560 you're at the edge. You're just about to go off. 134 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:51,720 Totally, and I think just the fear, the gut, that gut feeling 135 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:55,120 that people talk about the the thing that's like, don't go here 136 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:59,200 a serial killers there. That's what I felt on the top of 137 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:03,720 the ledge and it at that point momentum was too late and I 138 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:07,800 stumbled on my feet and then fell sideways onto my left side 139 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:11,520 pelvis and it shattered my pelvis. 140 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:17,640 My heel bounced so I shattered my heel left side my. 141 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:24,400 This is actually really lucky in hindsight, but essentially the 142 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:30,080 head of my femur dislocated from my pelvis before my pelvis 143 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:31,920 shattered. Wow. 144 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:37,679 Which is good because having a pelvis fracture with the femur 145 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:41,520 fracture would really suck and I only got like a tiny spiral 146 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:45,480 crack kind of fracture on the head of my femur. 147 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:50,480 So and it also saved when the pelvis broke in the parts that 148 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:52,800 it did. I'm really lucky because the 149 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:57,280 actual hip socket, they were still good and intact and a lot 150 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:00,080 of people have to get surgery on those because the cartilage and 151 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,280 the cushioning, they lose it over time. 152 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:08,320 But luckily I don't have the head of my femurs affected or 153 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:16,880 the socket for the femurs there. So, so when you're, you're, 154 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:20,480 you're jumping, what did you hit rock on the way down or did you 155 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:23,160 just land on like was it Flat Rock? 156 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,520 What was it? Lava rock, like think about 157 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:32,200 uneven, it's porous, it's black and it's all kind of just in a 158 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:37,480 pile like together. And I got really lucky because 159 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:39,720 if I would have fallen to the left or to the right, 160 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,400 potentially could have hit my spine in a different spot. 161 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:47,280 So it's almost better that my left side body took impact than 162 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:51,760 my spine or my face or front. But what the weirdest part to me 163 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:58,240 is I have had, I was kind of a crazy wild child and I grew up 164 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:01,600 with a marine brother who also rock climbed and got me into 165 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:03,600 that. He was a guide for a local shop, 166 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:06,040 Paragon Adventures when I was younger. 167 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:09,400 So got into climbing. He was working at the desert 168 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:12,920 right? And I think the confidence was 169 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:17,520 there, but also just having fun and exploring. 170 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:20,400 So and it not just with climbing, but with just 171 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:23,720 everything. So I had a couple accidents 172 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:27,040 months prior on a long board trying to keep up with some of 173 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:32,000 my guy friends who were really good at like like going really 174 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:36,120 fast, bombing on long boards down some of these roads in 175 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,520 Ivins. And let's just say I couldn't 176 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:44,520 keep up with them and I had bruises, Rd. rash, dislocated my 177 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:48,680 shoulder, really injured myself. But what's different about that 178 00:10:48,680 --> 00:10:52,560 versus the Cliff accident, to tie it back in, was when I fell, 179 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:56,800 it was like a dunk. And I didn't have much bruising 180 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,880 or scratches. It was all internal. 181 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:04,600 So I had internal bleeding. My organs were like kind of 182 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:09,960 basically slightly cut up from the bones of my pelvis. 183 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:13,920 Wow. And the other thing is when I 184 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:16,640 fell, I remember this so distant. 185 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:20,760 It's weird when you're falling because you think it feels like 186 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:25,480 forever and like the quickest thing. 187 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:27,400 I'm trying to find better words for that. 188 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:31,240 It feels like you're taking forever, but it's also happening 189 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:33,920 all at once and so quickly. That's a better way to word 190 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,120 that. So when I was falling, I 191 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,560 remember thinking like I need to protect my head. 192 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:43,960 And so I went like this and my elbow actually hit the lava rock 193 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:48,560 and this elbow, I still have almost more issues in my pelvis 194 00:11:48,560 --> 00:11:52,840 and not in a bad way, but it it's like that external rotation 195 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:58,000 because I broke it right where it rotates through the owner 196 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:03,120 essentially and the owner and radius right in the elbow spiral 197 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:09,160 fracture that and this wrist. So this whole side basically 198 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:13,760 just like, and then my left side as well and left heel just kind 199 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:16,600 of hit the ground and bounced. And then the pelvis is really 200 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:21,680 what took the impact. And luckily when we were paddle 201 00:12:21,680 --> 00:12:25,840 boarding in earlier that day, we met this really awesome 202 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:30,360 fisherman and he was in like a tin boat or a small boat. 203 00:12:31,560 --> 00:12:35,480 And we made friends with him, had a really good chat with him. 204 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:39,040 And he was out in an angle. Because remember, my friends 205 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:42,240 were in, it's like a sandy beach alcove. 206 00:12:42,680 --> 00:12:45,560 And then there's rocks separating you from the point 207 00:12:45,560 --> 00:12:50,680 that we jumped into this alcove of water with rocks. 208 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,080 So they're all over here. And they said that they 209 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:58,640 literally heard my bones hit or something hit, and Isabel is the 210 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:00,960 only one who actually saw it with her own eyes. 211 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,280 They heard you hit the rock. Yeah. 212 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:08,160 Oh my gosh. So I've I've done Cliff diving 213 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:09,040 or jumping. Yeah. 214 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:12,040 I sound like, I'm like, I've done it like twice in my life, 215 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:15,240 OK. And I I vividly remember I was 216 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:17,280 in high school actually, and I did it sounds like the. 217 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:23,480 I remember when I got done thinking to myself, I had time 218 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:27,240 to think about my death on the way down. 219 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:30,680 Yes. Yes, that's the best description 220 00:13:30,680 --> 00:13:32,400 of that. So what? 221 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:37,320 What? So you're, I just can't imagine 222 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:41,360 what you're thinking from the point where you have this like 223 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:46,120 moment where you decide I'm not going to jump, but I have to 224 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,800 jump because it's too late. Yeah, like I'm falling now. 225 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:53,120 Like it's like, OK, gravity is hitting like, yeah. 226 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:57,600 So once you are on the rocks, do you remember what happened next? 227 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:02,520 Yeah, and this is where things get really crazy, is one of the 228 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:06,840 EMT's, maybe a couple of them, but they all thought it was 229 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:10,040 really weird that I didn't pass out because I didn't. 230 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:12,800 You you have a full memory of everything that happened. 231 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:17,480 Yeah, I think the only time my memory got pretty foggy was when 232 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:19,800 pain meds were brought into the picture later on. 233 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:23,320 Mixed with like, blood thinners, mixed with way too many things 234 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:26,800 all at once. But yeah, I think that is the 235 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:32,480 wildest part of this accident is I was very coherent and to the 236 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:42,120 point where the guy on the boat, the EMT, he was out in like the 237 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:44,080 open space because remember, they're hidden. 238 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:47,120 They heard the noise. Isabel's here and he was there 239 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:51,200 quicker then I could get off the rocks. 240 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:56,000 He was like, so. So he heard you hit and knew it 241 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,840 was a body. He saw because they're hidden. 242 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:04,800 My friends are hidden on the sandy beach alcove rocks, the 243 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:07,200 microphone. There's a big rock pile. 244 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:09,520 You have to climb up the slick rock. 245 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:12,360 And that's another reason why I think we thought we could climb 246 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:15,920 this boulder is you're climbing a bunch of slick rock. 247 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:18,080 It's all like a slick rock jungle gym. 248 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:20,880 And this one didn't seem too different. 249 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:22,840 And we were like, yeah, we got this. 250 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:26,320 And it was definitely different. It was insecure rock. 251 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:29,600 It was a different layer of the sandstone. 252 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:33,480 Funny thing about the sandstone is different layers are going to 253 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:37,560 be more porous, different layers are going to just like a diamond 254 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:41,520 versus an emerald, have more hard scale to them. 255 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:45,880 So I think when you're climbing up the slick rock and then 256 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:50,040 you're climbing up the boulder, that layer of sandstone mixed in 257 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:54,200 with the water of the reservoir, that rock was just not secure 258 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:56,880 for what we were doing out there for sure. 259 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:01,800 And then you mix in the confidence of a 17 year old who 260 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:06,440 really hung out with her brothers too much on top of 261 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:10,560 ignorance of a 17 year old. Yeah, we got to put it in 262 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:11,560 perspective. You were in high. 263 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:14,600 School, Yes, yes, yes. I would not do that now. 264 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,360 And I learned a lot from my accident. 265 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:20,400 Yeah, because of yeah, these things, essentially. 266 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:27,920 But yeah, so my friends were hidden on the alcove and the EMT 267 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:30,920 cruised over because he saw clear visual. 268 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:34,040 I think he was like probably enjoyed watching Trevor jump and 269 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,560 swim around because he swimmed around the boulders to the 270 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:39,200 friends on the beach. And then he probably saw me 271 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:43,600 hesitating fall and it was I. Just can't believe there's an. 272 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:46,400 EMT there. This is where I had several 273 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:49,800 things that happened where I'm like, oh, I am really, really 274 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:54,040 lucky because he came over and as I was wanting to get up, even 275 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:57,640 just creasing through the hip flexors and the hips, he held me 276 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:02,800 in C-SPAN and made me lay flat. And with my pelvis shattered the 277 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:06,680 way it was, it could have caused way more internal bleeding or 278 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,800 severed more. Because essentially what 279 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:14,079 happened is when my accident first happened, they thought it 280 00:17:14,079 --> 00:17:18,520 would be a full paralysis. And I'm really lucky that when a 281 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:21,240 lot of the inflammation and swelling went down, six months 282 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:26,359 later I got the news that it was a partial paralysis, which is 283 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:32,640 great because you have more ability to heal the nerves and 284 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:34,920 have them essentially come back to life. 285 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:39,480 You're the EMT comes to you. I here's here's my question for 286 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:45,280 you because I I'm I just can't imagine being in this situation 287 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:49,240 where you are a man, you're laying on a rock like that. 288 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:51,960 After that just happened, did you realize the extent of your 289 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,760 injury? Was it Were you thinking to 290 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:58,560 yourself first of all, how did I just survive that? 291 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:02,840 What were your first thoughts? Well, when I was falling off the 292 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:07,880 Cliff, I do remember actually saying like, oh or oh, like 293 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:11,520 front door. And then again, as it's falling, 294 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:13,880 like you said, you have time to think about your death. 295 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:16,440 So you're like, OK, well, I kind of like my head. 296 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:20,440 I'm going to protect that. And then honestly, I think 297 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:23,600 especially when I was younger, I had a more like nonchalant 298 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:25,880 joking attitude towards everything. 299 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:30,440 So when I fell and I didn't pass out, I was like, OK, like, that 300 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:32,960 was messed up, but I'm probably fine. 301 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:40,840 And so initially not going into full panic, but also adrenaline 302 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:44,560 is a crazy, crazy thing. And it was rushing through my 303 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:46,920 body. And the EMT was great because he 304 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:51,840 did do a test, nerve test, a paralysis test with the toes, 305 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:54,600 and they didn't respond to the first Test. 306 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:58,960 And that I think was like, oh, OK, that that's a little freaky 307 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:01,720 for me. And then the second test, I was 308 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,040 able to get a wiggle out of my right side toe. 309 00:19:04,120 --> 00:19:07,360 And that was a really good thing because it was mostly my left 310 00:19:07,360 --> 00:19:13,920 side that was really damaged. My right side definitely had 311 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:18,240 more security because there was not the dislocating of the head 312 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:21,880 of the femur. But also the right side only had 313 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:25,360 one big crack. The left side was shattered. 314 00:19:25,360 --> 00:19:27,280 I think the right side only had like one or two. 315 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:33,480 And I think that's essentially what made more havoc on that 316 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:36,920 left side. And there's also something on 317 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,360 the bumpy part of your front pelvis, the Asis. 318 00:19:40,360 --> 00:19:44,080 There's a nerve on that. Essentially, a lot of like long 319 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:47,920 borders or people who get Rd. rash really bad will damage this 320 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:51,120 nerve. A lot of moms who've had C 321 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:54,400 sections sometimes can damage this nerve. 322 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:58,320 But when you cut through that nerve and they had to for my 323 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:04,960 surgery, you lose full numb from waist to knee on top of your 324 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:07,960 quad and thigh. So not only like where you're 325 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,680 dealing with the partial paralysis, but you're dealing 326 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:14,120 with like the actual numbness from other variations of nerve 327 00:20:14,120 --> 00:20:14,680 damage. Oh. 328 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,360 My gosh. So I would say the nervous 329 00:20:17,360 --> 00:20:21,040 system, like when when I fell again, I didn't have as much 330 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:27,280 bruises, scraping and outer havoc, but the nervous system is 331 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,200 what took the most havoc on that. 332 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:33,040 Oh my gosh. So how did they get you off the 333 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:38,040 rock? So EMT held me and I actually 334 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:41,840 was asking my friend Maddie. It was really funny hearing her 335 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:46,720 side of the story because it's been 11, almost 12 years, so 336 00:20:47,360 --> 00:20:50,120 long enough that I did want to reach out and kind of piece the 337 00:20:50,120 --> 00:20:53,680 story together, get all the medical together so that I can 338 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:58,320 tell this more factual. I think when it first happened 339 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:04,400 again, I was young, learning a lot of information, but BI 340 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,960 didn't know how to maybe communicate the way that I do 341 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:10,400 now. So telling it now 11 to 12 years 342 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:14,080 later has been fun, but there have been aspects that I forgot. 343 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:19,920 But she essentially paddle boarded across the lake while 344 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,080 they waited for the EMTs. Who called EMTs? 345 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:29,280 I want to say it was my friend Trevor or it was the fisherman. 346 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:30,720 So you had salt signal out there? 347 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:33,600 Kind of. It was patchy. 348 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,680 In fact, Maddie did remind me that it's so silly and I 349 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:41,360 remember doing this that day. But I when I was younger, we 350 00:21:41,360 --> 00:21:45,280 would always go at night to these docks at Gunlock and we 351 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,520 would jump in in the moonlight, like we would sneak out from our 352 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,320 houses and that was the place we would go is the docks at 353 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,320 Gunlock. And for some reason we would 354 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:58,000 always like hide our outer clothes, like we would wear 355 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,400 swimsuits and jump in, but our phones and everything were under 356 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,720 the dock. And the day we went paddle 357 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:07,200 boarding, we just did the same thing, not thinking about that. 358 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:11,040 There's boats on the water. It's daytime and it's actually 359 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:16,080 way more waves in the water than normal. 360 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:19,200 So our phones were essentially just right at the baseline of 361 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,600 the lake under the dock getting drenched. 362 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,520 So, so our phones were drenched. She got there and she was like 363 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:29,080 great wet phones and she called my brother first. 364 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:32,960 My brother James is only a year older than me, not even I think 365 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:38,480 he's 11 months older than me. And so she had his phone number 366 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:42,960 and then she had James call my mom or she called my mom. 367 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,200 And the other thing she told me is she had to call my date 368 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,160 because apparently I had a date that night. 369 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,720 I did not remember that aspect so. 370 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:55,800 It's like he's like, yeah, OK, right. 371 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,880 Exactly. Like, OK, she fell off a Cliff. 372 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:05,200 That's that's real. But yeah, that happened. 373 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,880 And then I think it took 30 to 45 minutes for the ambulance. 374 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:14,240 The road to Gunlock is windy, it's snaky and it's up a Canyon, 375 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,320 and then you end up at the reservoir. 376 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,400 So so OK, Are you on the rock still? 377 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,280 I'm still on the rock. They're just like, don't move 378 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,320 her, yeah. OK, and he's like on it. 379 00:23:24,360 --> 00:23:28,960 And Trevor stayed with me because Trevor and I, I, he's, 380 00:23:29,120 --> 00:23:33,040 he's actually now on the Police Department. 381 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,560 If I butchered that, sorry, Trevor, he's on the police force 382 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:39,640 for Ivan's, which is essentially the town that I fell off the 383 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:43,760 Cliff or the bordering town. So that's kind of fun because 384 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,320 he's really good in situations like that. 385 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,720 And so I'm really happy he was there because he stayed with me 386 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:55,240 and the EMT and he just kept me calm and laughing and oh really? 387 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,480 Yeah. Like he was so on it. 388 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:02,080 He actually was the person who I let ride in the ambulance with 389 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:07,240 me to the hospital because and I only got mad at him once when 390 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,960 pain, when the adrenaline started to kick off, I was like 391 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:11,880 Trevor, you need to be quiet right now. 392 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:17,080 But back to the main story is I'm on the rocks with EMT and 393 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,520 Trevor. Ambulance finally gets to the 394 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,840 docks and then they get on a tin boat. 395 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,760 I don't know if this was, I don't think it's the fisherman's 396 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,560 boat, but maybe it was. This is where that gets a little 397 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,040 questionable. Or if they had their own little 398 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,160 rescue boat. But it was small and there was a 399 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:39,520 stretcher on it and there was probably four to five guys. 400 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:44,760 And OK, I do remember an aspect. I have two fake teeth here. 401 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:49,080 I was born without my IT teeth and I've since got them fixed. 402 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,320 But at the time I had a flipper retainer that could come out and 403 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,880 I would be a hillbilly with my gap teeth. 404 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:59,040 And when I fell off a Cliff doing the assessment, they 405 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,280 didn't want me to choke or anything like that. 406 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:06,000 So I had to take my flipper out. And I just remember when some of 407 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:10,120 the EMTs came in the ambulance that one of the guys was really 408 00:25:10,120 --> 00:25:12,920 cute and I had my flipper out. That's coming back to me right 409 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:16,880 now, but it was like five guys. They essentially got me onto the 410 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:21,440 boat and stabilized me as much as they could to go back across 411 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:26,480 the lake to the docks, which then I got onto the ambulance 412 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:31,880 and the main guy on the ambulance in the back, the one 413 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:37,240 that was distributing everything was actually my sister in law's 414 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:42,800 father, which is crazy because that's just like a small world 415 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:47,640 for sure. And that's when I started to 416 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,600 really feel the adrenaline kicking off. 417 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,360 And that's when I was like, Trevor, you need to shut up 418 00:25:52,360 --> 00:25:54,480 right now because your jokes aren't funny. 419 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:58,320 I'm now feeling the pain. And so they took a pillow 420 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,840 between my legs because really what was causing it when we were 421 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,440 going out that windy Rd. of Gunlock, I could feel like my 422 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,760 bones shifting. And so they took the pillow in 423 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:13,280 between my knees and duct taped my thighs together and then 424 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:17,720 finally gave me some pain meds. I've heard that before from 425 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:23,520 other people that have told me about the incident and the lack 426 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,160 of pain that they felt because the overwhelming adrenaline. 427 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,760 Oh, for sure. So it was almost like a instant 428 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,440 pain reliever. Your body is just saying you're 429 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,320 not going to focus on this. Now I'm going to redirect you to 430 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,040 survival mode. Definitely. 431 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:41,280 So you're on this boat. Take me now. 432 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,200 You're in the hospital. So yeah, then the ambulance ride 433 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:48,280 to the hospital. I believe if you guys are 434 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,160 locals, you can Fact Check this one. 435 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:54,720 I believe it's 45 minutes to the hospital from Gunlock, so it's 436 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:59,240 another 45 minute drive to the Saint George hospital and we get 437 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:05,040 there and my pelvis had shattered in a way that was past 438 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:10,840 capacity for the hospital. Utah is known for their medical 439 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:17,160 really great with new surgeries and we have really good trauma 440 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:22,920 unit or trauma teams for burns, essentially accidents like this, 441 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,640 motorcycle accidents. And they were actually just 442 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,000 building a team to come to Saint George at the time with some 443 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,320 bigger doctors that are specifically for the trauma 444 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:37,880 unit. So before that happened, they 445 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,960 were not fully at capacity for my style of accident. 446 00:27:42,360 --> 00:27:46,760 So I got there and there was a lot going on. 447 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,520 So I don't know if this was negligence or just the chaos of 448 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:54,320 the full situation, but I just remember thinking like, my 449 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:58,520 elbow's broken and the nurses kept pulling on my arm to put 450 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:02,920 Ivs in and they said we already X-rayed it, it's not broken. 451 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,240 I said my elbow is broken. You. 452 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,040 You knew. Instinctively you're I knew, 453 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,120 yeah. And they didn't X-ray that until 454 00:28:10,120 --> 00:28:11,880 I got flown to the next hospital. 455 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:17,440 But let's before we get there, after a lot of that going down, 456 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,320 I don't know how long I was there. 457 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:21,920 It was definitely not a full day. 458 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:26,360 I can confirm that. But we had to get put on a life 459 00:28:26,360 --> 00:28:29,800 flight to take me to the Murray Trauma unit. 460 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,920 I want to say within hours of me ending up at Saint George 461 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,320 Regional Hospital. So now I'm in near Salt Lake 462 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,680 City, the Murray Trauma unit. And it's because they have a 463 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:44,280 great orthopedic surgeon called Doctor Buttersworth. 464 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:49,760 His name is Doctor Buttersworth. I love his name and he is the 465 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,560 one who did my pelvic reconstruction surgery. 466 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,880 And really, really awesome because there's not that many 467 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,280 people in the States with the surgery like mine, and they're 468 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,600 males. The other people with the 469 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,160 surgery, like mine, are in Australia. 470 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,200 Oh wow. So essentially they built my 471 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:13,040 pelvis back, the parts that were shattered with metal plates, But 472 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,960 because I was so young and my pelvis was still developing, 473 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,000 they built it upon the growth plates. 474 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:22,440 Oh wow, which is amazing. It's pretty miraculous. 475 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,600 And then remember, the head of my femur popped out. 476 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:31,120 So I'm really lucky because I didn't have to get an actual hip 477 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,600 surgery, but I had pelvic surgery. 478 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,200 So I did have some internal bleeding in the organs from the 479 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:44,920 bones and then lots of damage to, again, the spinal cord. 480 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:49,280 Luckily that was able to heal, come back, turn more into a 481 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:53,680 partial paralysis and I'm really lucky to be on the other side of 482 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,480 that. What was the months and the year 483 00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,160 following like? Six months of bed, bed rest. 484 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:04,280 They tried to put me in essentially an old folks home or 485 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:10,720 a home where I could have care 24/7 and help because it 486 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,400 basically I needed an at home nurse because I couldn't go to 487 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,560 the bathroom on my own, I couldn't shower on my own. 488 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:20,480 I wasn't allowed to put weight on my feet or I guess underneath 489 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:27,920 my feet for six months and then I was healing quicker than they 490 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,560 had anticipated and it was my right side healing quicker. 491 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,520 And that was great because after six months I was able to kind of 492 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:39,480 transition more into a wheelchair and get access back. 493 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,600 I had already started with the wheelchair for days going to 494 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:47,720 high school, but with the wheelchair hybrid combo of my 495 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:52,600 Walker and the Walker I would use mostly to stabilize myself 496 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:57,480 to put my wheelchair away so I could have some independence my 497 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:01,800 senior year. A lot of people wanted me to do 498 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,040 online schooling my senior year but it was my last year of high 499 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:06,800 school so I didn't really want to do that. 500 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:13,000 And same with being in a rest home or an old folks home or 501 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,880 recovery. I'm like that's not me. 502 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:20,080 And I did enjoy my PT for some of the time, but I ended up 503 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:25,120 trading that PT out for a local yoga studio, had a Bikram style 504 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:26,920 yoga called the Foundation series. 505 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,560 And I got so much recovery because it's a balancing series 506 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:36,480 And essentially one of my legs needed to relearn how to walk 507 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,800 again because the right side learned a lot quicker than the 508 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,160 left. Because the Walker, I could lean 509 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:46,280 in the right side, kind of kickstand off the left as that 510 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:50,840 side heals a little bit more. It took probably, to answer your 511 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:56,680 question, 10 months to get to the point of my Walker and 512 00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:00,000 probably a full year to be without my Walker on. 513 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:06,080 And like being able to go hike or be confident with not falling 514 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:12,360 or a lot of it was you lose muscle memory and your muscles 515 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,760 atrophy when you're sitting for that long. 516 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,880 So a lot of it would be just exhausting just to be standing 517 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,600 or walking through even a day of school, really fatiguing. 518 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,480 But also your muscles would just give out on you because what 519 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:30,520 your mind thinks you can still do, your muscles no longer can 520 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,120 do. So it was a lot of relearning 521 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:39,720 muscle memories, connection to the nervous system and muscle 522 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,520 association. What was it like going back to 523 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,160 school? Going back to school was 524 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:48,840 interesting because I'm a very independent person and in some 525 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,840 ways it was fun because I could get out of classes. 526 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,280 Like, I hate to admit that, but like you could just walk your 527 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,640 way out of town or wheel out of class if you needed to. 528 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:03,240 But in other ways, I feel like I lost a lot of freedom because I 529 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:08,800 always needed someone to be helping me, and sometimes people 530 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,960 that I didn't really want to be stuck with would end up pushing 531 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,880 my wheelchair. Very grateful for them. 532 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,960 But you would get trapped. You would get trapped by people 533 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,240 sometimes. And luckily my friends and I had 534 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,360 like, codes for that. And they would come and save me 535 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,840 because one of them was like a guy at school that would like 536 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,640 tink my wheelchair over because he thought it was funny. 537 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,240 But I don't think he realized like, you can't do that to a 538 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,160 paralyzed person. Oh my gosh. 539 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,520 Yeah. So that that was the part that 540 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,480 was hard. And then before my accident, I 541 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:48,240 had really started getting into rock climbing and it was hard 542 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,840 because a lot of my friends continued on with that and when 543 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:55,760 they would come visit me in bed rest, I really struggled with 544 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,200 hearing that. I wanted to be happy for them, 545 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:05,240 but I felt really trapped, especially before I knew what or 546 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:11,080 if I would get recovery in my legs because they did prep me 547 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:16,000 within the 1st moments of like you could potentially not walk 548 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,159 again or be able to move your lower extremities again. 549 00:34:19,159 --> 00:34:23,280 So waist down essentially. And that was kind of an unknown 550 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:27,719 until we hit more of that four month mark where we saw the 551 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:31,920 inflammation really regressing. And then the six month mark is 552 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,920 when I could put weight back on my feet, both feet. 553 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:39,639 And that was great because the bedside toilet, I would have to 554 00:34:39,639 --> 00:34:41,840 use a sliding board to even get on. 555 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,760 So it's like a piece of plank someone puts underneath your bum 556 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,480 and you need someone to help you from your bum to the toilet. 557 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:51,840 Because remember, my left arm was broken. 558 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:56,760 So I had my arm in like a rig, my left leg in a rig, and then 559 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,360 my pelvis was shattered. So no weight on each side. 560 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,920 What? So what is it like now for you? 561 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,720 Well, I've dedicated my whole life into living a lifestyle for 562 00:35:07,720 --> 00:35:13,160 my fake pelvis, which is anti-inflammatory diet, whatever 563 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:14,760 that looks like. Everyone has different 564 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,160 biodiversity, so everyone's going to have a different 565 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:23,840 anti-inflammatory diet. Really watching that fitness, 566 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:28,960 but really rounded fitness. When you get into one zone of 567 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:33,360 fitness only and you only build that one type of muscle memory, 568 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:35,760 you're just creating more injuries. 569 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,320 So injury prevention is something that I really love, a 570 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:44,080 full well-rounded, working on kinetic chain shoulder to hip 571 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:50,200 crossbody exercises, but also really studying the nervous 572 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:57,440 system and recovering the nerves, reassociating them with 573 00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:01,520 the new metal plates. Because now my pelvis is mostly 574 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,880 metal. I have 5 metal plates and so 575 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,280 many pins and screws that I like lost count. 576 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:15,080 It's it's, it's unreal. OK, go back in time a little 577 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:15,520 bit. Yeah. 578 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,360 What, what, what was what was your family thinking during 579 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,520 this? When you hit the ground and they 580 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,520 got that first phone call, what was the reaction? 581 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:30,160 I think they were really scared, especially when they showed up 582 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,960 and the first talk was being paralyzed. 583 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:37,560 But I think they got more information, more potential, 584 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:42,600 more possibilities, and that was definitely helpful. 585 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,960 But I tell some of my siblings that I feel like it's almost 586 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,480 more traumatic for them then it was for me because not only did 587 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,720 they have to deal with my recovery, like my dad and mom 588 00:36:54,720 --> 00:36:58,240 and family were essentially like my at home nurses and friends, 589 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,320 they all banded together to create a schedule that someone 590 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:05,080 could be there with me at certain times. 591 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:09,200 So that was like really awesome. But I feel like it did affect 592 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:14,840 them as well financially because, I mean, I took an 593 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:19,400 ambulance from Gunlock to the Saint George, then I took a life 594 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:23,280 flight to Murray and then another ambulance. 595 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,200 So it's two ambulances, a lot of money. 596 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,400 Yeah, it adds up. And we definitely had insurance, 597 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:33,240 but not to the degree of what this accident could anticipate. 598 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,480 Right. Have you been back to where it 599 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:36,600 happened? I have. 600 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:38,720 I've been doing that. There I am. 601 00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:40,680 I'm actually a better climber now. 602 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:45,160 If anything I wanted to learn technique more, understand it. 603 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:49,200 Yes, always always roping up. Well, OK, I do love bouldering, 604 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:55,200 but route developing, cleaning the route, checking the landing, 605 00:37:55,400 --> 00:38:01,280 crash pads, climbing shoes, chalk spotters, going to places 606 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:05,440 that have already been developed or not, places that are 40 feet 607 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,840 with water. And also reservoirs fluctuate in 608 00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:10,920 water. So if you think about that, it's 609 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:12,560 not really a great place to Cliff jump. 610 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,440 Statistically, Cliff jumping is more dangerous than rock 611 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:22,360 climbing. So I, I don't Cliff jump, I hate 612 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:26,240 Cliff jumping and I, I will not be a Cliff jumper. 613 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:30,480 But yeah, I I do love outdoor recreation in a way that I want 614 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,680 to understand all the rope skills, all the different 615 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:37,120 variations of climbing, how to do it so I can feel really 616 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:41,160 confident in those scenarios. Are you afraid of heights? 617 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:45,360 Kind of I can be in certain situations, but I've worked on 618 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,840 it a lot and that's kind of another reason why I've loved 619 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:52,760 canyoneering and some of those other rope skill set hobbies. 620 00:38:54,240 --> 00:38:58,640 But when you're up that high, do you, do you feel like there is 621 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,320 like a, like a PTSD thing happening? 622 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,120 Are you nervous? Do you remember? 623 00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,160 Do does it trigger things for you? 624 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,840 Yeah, I would say the first four years were really hard to get on 625 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,040 rope. And I would like do this thing 626 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,640 where I would climb up and down, up and down, up and down when I 627 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,240 was lead climbing. And it's funny because that's 628 00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:23,400 more work, more danger, and again, more work than just going 629 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,280 up clipping. And then like, but it was a 630 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,560 mental thing I really had to work through and I really wanted 631 00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,760 to work through it because it's weird. 632 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,280 It didn't just affect me when I was on the cliffs or climbing. 633 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,200 It affected me when I was driving a car or getting on a 634 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,520 plane. It's just the fear of because 635 00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:47,400 now your brain goes from being this careless 17 year old who 636 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:52,640 like kind of built an image upon like going with the flow, it's 637 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:56,160 whatever. Like being goofy to now I am 638 00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:00,600 racking my brain PTSD style on how you can get injured. 639 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,800 What can go wrong? And in some ways it's been great 640 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:09,640 because I love prevention now I've gotten my outdoor 641 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,240 wilderness, first responders, just anything like that to get 642 00:40:13,240 --> 00:40:17,880 into preparation. I just love getting educated on 643 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,920 best practices for those scenarios. 644 00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,720 Hopefully one day I can do the C spine for someone else because 645 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:29,760 an EMT essentially did that for me and again, he was an off duty 646 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:34,920 EMT. So yeah, I would say the PTSD 647 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:41,120 took some time, but I definitely was aware of what it was and had 648 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,520 words and vocabulary for it, so I could take it through a 649 00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:48,440 process of just staring at it, like right in the face, I would 650 00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,360 say. Wow, are you a spiritual person? 651 00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:55,440 I can be but I also don't love dogma where it gets over 652 00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,360 spiritual or like blanket statements. 653 00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:01,200 So I would call myself like a neutral spiritual person. 654 00:41:01,240 --> 00:41:03,560 I just think it's so amazing that you lived through that and 655 00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:08,120 all the things that happened during that time, and that's 656 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:12,560 crazy. So when you're looking back on 657 00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:18,920 this, in that moment that you decided to run, would you have 658 00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:23,600 taken that out if you could? Yeah, I think that knowing my 659 00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:29,200 like connection coordination, I am so good at isolation 660 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:33,560 coordination, but like doing the two for one motion, like a 661 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,880 dynamic movement where you're running and jumping. 662 00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:39,760 Like I can run, I can jump, but can she run and jump? 663 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,240 And that's something I've trained a lot again since the 664 00:41:43,240 --> 00:41:46,520 situation. But yeah, I think I probably 665 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,120 would have been safer down climbing with the climbing skill 666 00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:52,080 set that I had at the time. But I mean, would you, if you 667 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,360 could go back in time to remove this whole situation from 668 00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,240 happening ever? Like. 669 00:41:56,240 --> 00:41:59,520 If you could look back on everything that took place from 670 00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:03,760 the trajectory that it's brought you to today and all the things 671 00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:05,840 you've learned and all the things you've become and all the 672 00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,280 things that have you know, would you, if you could go back in 673 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,080 time, would you pull this whole thing out from happening to you? 674 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:16,440 No, I would not because the way that it's giving me a connection 675 00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:21,560 to the nervous system, it's just a gift that keeps giving to 676 00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:26,360 people. So and that's why I think that 677 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,800 I'll always just continue to be in the personal training world 678 00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,800 and teaching yoga and fitness and whatever that capacity is. 679 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:38,520 Because I think that a lot of times we get told debilitating 680 00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:43,080 things like you can't walk again or you're like, I've heard even 681 00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,640 yoga teachers tell students that they'll never touch their toes. 682 00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:49,120 But really I just think it's finding the biodiversity and 683 00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:53,080 finding a recipe that works for you because every injury is so 684 00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,280 different and specific. Where you get your insertion 685 00:42:56,280 --> 00:43:01,760 site, Is there scar tissue? Are you adding in passive 686 00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:06,560 stretching, dynamic stretching, but also like plyometrics, bone 687 00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:10,640 density building, like jumping, running, all of that? 688 00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:14,680 I think the recipe of it together is something that I 689 00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:18,240 would not have experienced without the recovery of that. 690 00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:24,000 So yeah, no, I would not. I think when you go through such 691 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,160 tragedy, you have a decision to make, whether you're going to 692 00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,680 make it work for you or work against you. 693 00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:33,040 And I think you can make it in your situation. 694 00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:34,600 It's work. You, you did. 695 00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:39,960 You took it and turned it to a positive thing and made it work 696 00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,080 for you. And you could have just, you 697 00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:44,880 could have threw in the towel. I think it's interesting how 698 00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:51,800 you're talking about how you, you made the decision to 699 00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,560 exercise and the nervous system and all those things. 700 00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,040 And I was thinking in that like you, you could have just given 701 00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:58,320 up. You could have just been in the 702 00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,280 bed the rest of your life and been like, why me? 703 00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,040 Totally. But I feel like it's made you a 704 00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,960 stronger person and often that. You're, you nailed it. 705 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:10,040 Like I just, I want to know all the information because of it 706 00:44:11,720 --> 00:44:16,640 and add a capacity that is above me at that point. 707 00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:21,880 And what I mean by that is not only did I go through all of 708 00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,880 this yoga teacher trainings, but I've done personal training 709 00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:28,240 license online. It's a test that everyone can 710 00:44:28,240 --> 00:44:30,520 take a course. You have to do classes or you 711 00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:34,280 can do in person, But I've also went to school for anatomy, 712 00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,960 kinesiology through some of those Utah medical programs in 713 00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:42,240 Salt Lake City that are world renowned, and then getting a 714 00:44:42,240 --> 00:44:46,080 massage therapy license as well. Specifically, I worked at a 715 00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:51,800 chiropractic office with injury pain clients, people who were 716 00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:55,920 there under their insurance because of an accident, and even 717 00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,680 my clients. Now I don't take on too many so 718 00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,880 I can give them more attention. But I love working with people 719 00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:06,880 with injuries or scar tissue or someone's told them they can't 720 00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,960 touch their toes. Because I promise you, give me 721 00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:14,080 at least three months and we'll. Are are you ever like let me 722 00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,760 tell you my story. You know, I was for a while, but 723 00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:22,160 I did when it blew up a little bit there. 724 00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,880 Like I worked with Free People Movement and a couple other big 725 00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:29,640 brands, and I was a part of their great Outdoors month. 726 00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:35,240 And I feel like I had a couple of people kind of reach out and 727 00:45:35,240 --> 00:45:39,680 tell me that they felt like I was exaggerating my story and 728 00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,840 paralysis. And I didn't realize how much 729 00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:46,680 that really got to me because I stopped sharing my story as 730 00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,200 much. And I think that that's why this 731 00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,880 podcast is another reason why I reached out and vice versa is 732 00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:56,760 because I wanted to tell it again without that attachment, 733 00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,960 but with actual facts and information and going through 734 00:45:59,960 --> 00:46:02,760 medical documents and. I can't believe anybody would 735 00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:03,880 say that to you. That's, that's, that's 736 00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:05,720 incredible. I think you have a pretty 737 00:46:05,720 --> 00:46:08,520 incredible story. And the fact that you are rock 738 00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:12,320 climbing now and you're able to like you have a hip that's, you 739 00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:17,560 know, your, your pelvis is full of metal and pins and screws and 740 00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,640 you're rock climbing and not thinking about how you're going 741 00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:22,360 to fall or the fall that you had. 742 00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,920 That blows my mind because I would be up there going yeah, 743 00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,440 no, I'm out, you know? And there definitely are days. 744 00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:31,520 I think that's the thing with the mindset, right? 745 00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,000 There are days where it's like, yeah, no, I'm not doing this 746 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,080 today. But it's knowing to commit, 747 00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:38,600 right? Just like jumping off the Cliff, 748 00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:40,640 you have to commit. That's the one thing I learned 749 00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,920 from my accident. You're either all in or you're 750 00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,640 out, because that in between is where you fall off a Cliff. 751 00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,680 Yeah, so we can put that on a T-shirt. 752 00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:52,800 Yeah, put that on a T-shirt. What? 753 00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:54,640 Yeah. Holy cow, yeah. 754 00:46:55,640 --> 00:47:03,320 I, I just, I just am so amazed that you, you, you're so mobile 755 00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:08,200 and that like you're like, what's your recovery percentage? 756 00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:12,080 Are you like 90 percent 95? Are you like 80% like where like 757 00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,560 to where you should be? I guess I mean what's? 758 00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:22,720 I would say I'm at like 95% and within the last two years even 759 00:47:22,720 --> 00:47:25,880 it's gone from 75% to that 90. Wow. 760 00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:32,200 So that's been great and a lot of it is con tenuously 761 00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:37,520 practicing movement and not one modality, not all yoga, not all 762 00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:42,560 climbing, all or nothing mindset I would say is one of the 763 00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:47,480 biggest killers of getting yourself to a full rounded point 764 00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:51,320 with your fitness and health regimen because it's easy to 765 00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:55,000 over identify with something and it is beautiful to have an 766 00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,320 identity and passion towards something. 767 00:47:57,720 --> 00:48:01,360 Like I'm definitely someone, I am a climber, I love teaching 768 00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,960 yoga, I'm a yoga teacher. But it's easy to sell yourself 769 00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,040 in one modality. Like I like doing weights, cross 770 00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:12,120 training, kinetic, like chain training. 771 00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:17,720 All of it is really important to get to that point of mobility 772 00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:23,240 and just having equal strength to your mobility is huge because 773 00:48:23,240 --> 00:48:27,480 you could be so strong, but lack of mobility or there are times 774 00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:31,520 in my practice I've been to mobile with lack of strength, so 775 00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:35,000 really rounding it out. That's crazy, I don't even like 776 00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:38,120 to rock climb. I. 777 00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:40,200 Just I look at the people at rock climb and I was like, yeah, 778 00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:44,280 no, I'm good. Yeah, I think if my brothers 779 00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:51,080 didn't get me into it and it wasn't something like where I 780 00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:55,600 live, there's so much world class climbing. 781 00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:58,640 It's so hard not to get into climbing. 782 00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,960 I think that that's where it's like, OK, well we got to put 783 00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:05,280 this behind us because this is what I wanted to do before and 784 00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:09,280 this is what I want to do after. And I think that was motivating 785 00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,320 for me for sure. Have you reached out to anybody 786 00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:16,120 else that's fallen or have you talked to any other people that 787 00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:19,760 have, you know, been in a situation similar to what you've 788 00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:23,480 gone through? My restorative class that I've 789 00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:26,840 been teaching for almost 10 years, I want to say it's been 790 00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:31,680 on the schedule for 9 now. It's all about nervous system 791 00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,200 resetting, but also rehabilitation. 792 00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:37,480 Like each class, we work on a segment and we go through it 793 00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,440 systematically. I would say that that class has 794 00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:44,440 attracted people with neuropathy, people who didn't 795 00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,600 have words for what their neuropathy symptoms were. 796 00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:52,920 People who've had hip surgeries, whether it is the femur and hip 797 00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:57,280 socket or pelvic surgery. People with low back injuries. 798 00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:59,960 Because my low back, my SI joint is fake. 799 00:49:59,960 --> 00:50:03,760 On the left it's a metal pen, the little back dimples that we 800 00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:07,760 all have, and that creates a lot of tension because a lot of 801 00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:12,680 muscles essentially connect there, the ones that move and 802 00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:17,520 lift our knees and hips and that can create a lot of havoc and 803 00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:22,760 back pain essentially. So I would say that the way I've 804 00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:25,840 been able to connect with people that way has been awesome, and 805 00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:29,880 it's been a bounty of people I've been able to connect with 806 00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:33,240 in that sense. But more specifically, I have 807 00:50:33,240 --> 00:50:36,840 had people who've fallen off cliffs reach out to me as well, 808 00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:40,720 or pelvic surgeries, or just shattered their pelvis. 809 00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,800 What's that like for you? Sometimes it's been really great 810 00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:47,680 but sometimes I can't relate because they didn't get pins or 811 00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:52,040 screws which not. I don't want to minimize anyone. 812 00:50:52,240 --> 00:50:57,400 All experiences are different, but I just don't relate because 813 00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:02,160 the recovery was different. And I think I'm someone who's 814 00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:05,600 proactive. I don't necessarily need APT to 815 00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:07,840 be making sure I'm doing the exercises. 816 00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:11,240 I'm going to be doing them, learning them, finding them, 817 00:51:11,240 --> 00:51:13,840 researching them. And I think that it's hard for 818 00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:18,000 me to relate to people who want to stay maybe in the dwelling 819 00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,760 zone for too long of the debilitating. 820 00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:26,760 Yeah, yeah. Wow, your story is nuts, man. 821 00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:28,720 That's crazy. I can't imagine. 822 00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,400 I can't imagine what it was like, what it would be like to 823 00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:34,080 be 17 year olds and 17 years old and go through something like 824 00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:37,160 that and think maybe my life is over. 825 00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,640 But you didn't think that. I feel like, I feel like you 826 00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:44,080 used it as a positive and turn it around. 827 00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:51,640 And I'm impressed with how you aren't like angry or blaming or 828 00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:52,960 pointing fingers or anything like that. 829 00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,720 I feel like that's totally not normal cause a lot of people I 830 00:51:55,720 --> 00:51:57,640 think would be in that situation. 831 00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:01,520 And I've definitely gotten like lost my patience sometimes with 832 00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:09,600 people more so than with the anger of my accident and just 833 00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:12,800 people when I'm forced into a zone to not be my authentic 834 00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,440 self. I would say that's my biggest 835 00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:18,040 reaction zone. Well, I appreciate you coming. 836 00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:21,600 Yeah, thanks for telling us this crazy, amazing story. 837 00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:27,040 And I think you got a long, wonderful, happy climbing career 838 00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,080 out of you. Yeah, I'm excited for that. 839 00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:30,320 Awesome. Thank you.