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Your story's nuts, and the fact 
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ability to film in after it 
happened is pretty crazy. 

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So just kind of start at the 
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What happened? 
Everything that went down. 

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Well, first, I'm I'm born and 
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of like what my father and I do.
We typically go hunting every 

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year. 
This place is new to us. 

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We decided to go to Resurrection
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connects Hope and Seward. 
Back in the day for trappers 

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used to just go back and forth 
on that trail. 

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And now it's just like kind of a
really beautiful hiking trail, 

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biking trail. 
And we looked at the map and we 

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decided, you know, we'll go 
about 15 miles in because I 

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think it's a 20 miles. 
I'm not 100% sure. 

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It's really long and we mapped 
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just go off trail from there. 
And when you're looking at a 

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map, we thought our best chance 
because we were hunting for 

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black bear. 
Black bear, you know, that's 

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about it. 
I don't know. 

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It was like if there was a. 
So you are already looking for 

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bear? 
Yeah, we're looking for bear, 

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that type of bear, a little bit 
smaller, and the Berry eaters. 

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And we realized when we were 
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a couple of rivers, it's called 
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think resurrection is in there. 
It's just that place where you 

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would think that there would be 
animals. 

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This area was already haunted 
years ago for guides, for moose.

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I think that's long gone past, 
but we want to take our chances 

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there. 
It was just something that I've 

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always wanted to do and I never 
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And since I moved to Austin, I 
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let's go someplace new that I 
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And so we decided on 
resurrection pass. 

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We were going to do a week long 
hunt out there just to really 

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take in the last bit of Alaska 
for the year. 

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I'm always going to go back, but
you know, last bit of Alaska and

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we started about a day after I 
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Austin or from Alaska to Austin.
Just like at. 

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EU Haul barely made it up those 
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Probably should have looked at 
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said screw it let's just go and 
I only worked out I guess. 

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So I dropped my wife and kid off
and I flew up to Alaska to go 

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for this hunt and we height the 
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want to go camping. 
That was that was day one I. 

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Want to explain why I do these 
conversations? 

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Most people know me for 
backpacking, outdoor education, 

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and gear videos actually. 
But what really sits underneath 

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this channel is decision making 
under pressure. 

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A few years ago, I nearly died 
in the Grand Canyon, and going 

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through that permanently changed
how I think about risk, 

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preparation and judgement. 
After my own survival situation,

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I became absolutely obsessed 
with one question. 

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What actually keeps people alive
when everything goes wrong? 

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That's why I talked to people 
who survived the worst moments 

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of their lives, whether it 
happened outdoors, on the water,

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or in places none of us even 
expect. 

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So if you want to see my own 
story, I've put a link in the 

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description to the Grand Canyon 
survival video. 

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We had cameras filming the 
entire time. 

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It'll give you context for why 
these conversations mean so much

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to me. 
Thanks. 

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It's just beautiful. 
I mean, like 65° in Alaska and 

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it was, it was sunny, there was 
almost no wind. 

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Oh wow. 
I mean, kept the bug. 

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There's not a lot of bugs out 
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It's kind of high country 
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worry too much about that. 
What time of year is it? 

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This was August. 
I think we started August 15th. 

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This would have been. 
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there that day long day and 
camped out, made our camp, 

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played cribbage and woke up the 
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And I remember that night when 
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hanging out, I looked over and 
there's this the, I was like, 

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I'm going to go to the biggest 
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really this trail, you are just 
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you're up in the mountains and 
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top of the mountains, right? 
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there because I want to say 
goodbye to my grandmother. 

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She passed away. 
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and her funeral was that day. 
So I decided to go up and do my,

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my piece and say goodbye to her.
It was, it was, it was great. 

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You know, so that day we spent 
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class and trying to obviously 
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for animals. 
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trail because we were a couple, 
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miles off the trail. 
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So really we just spot a bunch 
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mountain. 
Like what are you doing? 

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What are you doing over there? 
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But yeah, we didn't see any 
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And it was just a beautiful day.
It was just beautiful. 

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And that day ended, and we 
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that it looks like there's a 
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old. 
Because my dad, he's law 

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enforcement, Fish and Wildlife. 
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years on the Kenai Peninsula as 
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Growing up with that, that was 
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Always something like, your 
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Like, oh, your dad's Chris 
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Like, he got me a ticket for 
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Like, I bet he did. 
Well, don't do. 

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That I deserved it, yeah. 
Don't do that. 

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What are you doing? 
You know there's rules, right? 

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So yeah, so he kind of knew that
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already, you know, because I 
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was born, like a year before. 
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Wildlife my whole life. 
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maybe did snow machines or 
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hasn't done this one, but he 
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And we heard that there's a 
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back there. 
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miles away on the trail that 
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literally like kind of Bush 
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finding the trail and this is 
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actually almost think leave camp
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as well just mose around or just
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Chill out, whatever. 
Chill out. 

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You know, I have brew of coffee 
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earlier. 
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morning and throwing some Crown 
Royal in there and just watching

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the sun come up and just really 
take it in where I'm at. 

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There's a, a Creek there also 
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pan for gold, cold pan for gold.
I said, I just got really cold 

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and finds out I I suck at that. 
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whole bunch of rocks. 
I only did that for about 20 

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minutes and I was like, I'm good
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And my dad and I just to say, 
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this cabin. 
Let's just go back. 

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Just try to let's just see where
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And like I said, we were hunting
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this trail started off where we 
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definitely wasn't kept by anyone
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like that because we bushwhacked
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I suspect this is a trail that 
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people that are poaching. 
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all in the winter time. 
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know, up in the bushes, 8 feet 
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You know, like they're all 
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pink, kind of hard to see 
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say the least. 
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it was like 10 O clock in the 
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We started and just kind of went
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About an hour in, we started 
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the trail a little bit, but it's
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I mean, usually when we go 
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is a whole nother thing, 
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And you know, we started to find
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hey, who's now in front? 
My dad's in front because he 

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found that flag. 
Now he's lost, and now I'm in 

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front because we find the flag. 
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Again, 65° beautiful day, just 
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And we're, you know, we take a 
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going. 
We're kind of side healing a 

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mountain that it's like 2 mounts
going like it's like AV right 

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here. 
So we side healing and then you 

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can see in front of us that it 
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Prairie area where when you're 
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it looks easy to walk until you 
get close and you're like, yeah,

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that's up to my knee. 
That sucks, you know all that 

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like brush and stuff and like 
swampyish, but we stop and we 

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kind of can see we want to head 
if we look at the map, we want 

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to go all the across it might 
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the way across this kind of 
valley area and then you can see

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it kind of you maybe go around 
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and who knows what's back. 
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I'm still excited to go see 
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want to go around that corner 
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Adventuring. 
My my father and I actually we, 

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without saying anything, decided
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anything that day because it was
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bad of a trail. 
So we're just like, you know, 

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screw it, let's go for 
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Just me and you. 
That's just how my dad and I 

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are. 
I've always been, I end up being

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like his paparazzi that day, you
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him, like looking over there. 
He looks stoic. 

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I'm like, yeah, there you go. 
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Stop that. 
Like no, you know, so I got 

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pictures of all that stuff, 
actually got pictures of like 4 

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minutes before I ran into this 
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And I remember when we're 
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dead tree. 
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you watch Lion King when Simba's
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the bison or Buffalo, kind of 
like he's under that tree. 

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It's just like a tree in a 
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That's kind of what it look 
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So we headed towards that tree 
and it was dead. 

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It was just standing there was a
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And then we started trying to 
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And I can see in front of us 
almost like a wall. 

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It's probably like 100 yards in 
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And it was just perpendicular 
right, right across our our 

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path. 
And it looks like it might have 

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been a Creek there. 
So that's why the vegetation was

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a bit higher. 
And you know, we knew we had to 

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go across that. 
But going through that, if you 

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ever hike through Alders, that 
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It's like you take 2 steps 
forward, or even if you can take

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2 steps forward, it's like 
Maleficent, just like you said, 

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Bap, you can't cross, right? 
But obviously there was someone 

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that went there before us 
because there's flagging. 

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So we started looking for old 
cuts and my father's in front of

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me and we're just looking for 
flagging there. 

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And it's kind of, it's in 
August, so some of the leaves 

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kind of change colour a little 
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So they have some like, oh, 
that's a fuck no, it's not, you 

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know, and he actually found 
where there was a flag. 

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So we got to there. 
We went parallel with it. 

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And then you can see old cuts. 
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probably get through unless you 
really take some time to really 

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dig through this brush. 
And it almost like it felt what 

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I remember like a much, almost 
like orchard esque, kind of 

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overgrown. 
But you can see where people 

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took those little hand saws and 
cut their way through. 

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And there's, there's a little 
cuts and it might have been 1015

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feet, you know, long. 
And so my dad make he makes it 

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all the way through. 
And by the time I'm getting in 

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there and then coming out and on
the other side of this brush, it

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kind of goes up a little little 
Knoll actually turns into a tall

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golden grass. 
I think it's called cheat grass.

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It's about waist high. 
And I remember think because 

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this is about 2:30 in the 
afternoon, we had, we've been 

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eating like Clif bars and I love
making Top Ramen out in the 

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woods. 
I I don't know what it is about 

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that, but you cut. 
Everything tastes good out. 

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There summer sausage you put 
some Tabasco or tulula in there 

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that. 
Sounds good here. 

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Oh. 
I know, right, Crunch it up. 

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You know, I like got your 
Jetboil or whatever kind of 

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thing you have. 
Like that's my, I love making 

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that. 
I always make it for my dad or 

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whoever is out hunting with us. 
I'm just like, I enjoy doing 

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that. 
And so at that time I'm thinking

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actually, this is a pretty 
awesome place to have lunch. 

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And that's all I was thinking at
that time. 

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You know, I think I'm going to 
think it's a beautiful day. 

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This is a perfect place such as 
a perch. 

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Well, I know something else 
thought the same thing right? 

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And so my dad exits that little 
brush and he goes up this little

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Knoll about 15 yards out and I'm
just coming out and I take like 

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4 steps. 
And by the time I take 4 steps 

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and my own Top Ramen world, my 
dad yells bare because he heard 

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a little crash. 
And that was about 15 yards away

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from us. 
And it it like the way I'm going

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to explain it might sound like 
it it was a long winded like 

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whole event. 
But really keep in mind this is 

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about four seconds. 
Like this is I'm thinking about 

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Top Ramen. 
Like we're having a 

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conversation. 
And then you have the kool-aid 

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man just Buster the wall over 
here and says, oh, yeah, like 

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what's going on? 
Right. 

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So it's just something that just
happens and you know, we were 

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making noise, we were talking, 
but I don't think it was above 

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the ambient noise of what's 
going on with with the Creek. 

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Maybe the bear was sleeping. 
I do remember there being bugs. 

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So not a lot, but that's so that
there wasn't a lot of wind. 

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So she probably didn't get wind 
of us or anything like that. 

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So I mean, we're checking all 
the boxes, right? 

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Like not making a lot of noise. 
She just can't smell us and we 

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are walking through tall grass 
and brush. 

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Hindsight, I honestly didn't 
think I'd run into a grizzly 

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bear there or a brown bear, 
however you want to say which 

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one. 
But because I'm like, you know, 

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they're all by the rivers, 
right? 

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She was not. 
She was way back in the woods. 

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She had Cubs. 
Always be prepared, even though 

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those experienced people forget 
sometimes, you know, like you're

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out there meditating or 
whatever. 

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You forget to make noise or you 
get caught. 

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Think about top Rahman. 
So my dad yells bear and as soon

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as he yells bear this like, I 
don't know how to explain it. 

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And it's not like teeth chatter 
and it's not like like AT Rex, 

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you roar, but it's something 
more guttural and heart stopping

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like. 
And and I've been around bears. 

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I mean, I'm born raised in 
Alaska. 

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I've been around bears hear 
them, you know, but this sound 

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was like I couldn't picture a 
brown bear making the sound 

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because I've never heard it. 
And so in my head I'm like, what

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was that? 
And you just hear the brush snap

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like it was like nothing like it
just went right through what we 

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probably would have a hard time 
making it through just bed it 

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down there. 
And I remember seeing my dad 

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yelled bear and he kind of takes
takes like a sidestep looking at

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the bear and and I look over and
I see this like brown hump kind 

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of Crest in the top of the the 
tall grass. 

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And I'm still processing what's 
happening. 

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And you can hear the foots like,
I mean, it's like, oh. 

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My gosh. 
What it like you're still like 

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what's going on, like, you know,
bear, then you have to connect 

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it with this noise in these 
steps and how quick is 

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happening. 
And then you have to go through 

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your head like what's going on. 
And by the time like it, we're 

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next to my dad, the grass 
shortened about 510 feet from 

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him because I, I picture it like
we're in a triangle. 

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I'm here, my dad's 15 yards in 
front of me. 

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And she was about 15 hours over 
here, just a little bit over the

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hill and she got about 5 feet 
from my dad. 

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And that time my dad, he had a 
Glock 40 on his chest. 

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And what you're supposed to do 
is, you know, when a bear is 

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like, you're getting mauled by a
grizzly, turn your back, lay 

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flat, your backpack goes over 
your neck and back, your head. 

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Hopefully she just chomps on 
that. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah. 

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So my dad starts turning and I 
can hear him say, hey, hey, hey,

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hey, hey, hey. 
You know, like, go away. 

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He's been charged by bears 
multiple times. 

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He's been on podcast about it. 
It's just it's. 

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Absolutely. 
Yeah, I 34 years, if I'm correct

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on that, 34 years and then he's 
a trooper afterwards a bit. 

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He has a lot of stories of him 
run into pissed off bears where 

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they false charge you and they 
just kind of go around. 

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Right? 
Yeah. 

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Yeah. 
And what I've learned later 

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because I got really curious 
about bears and like how they 

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react and their mannerisms when 
they're attacking their heads up

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when they're false charge. 
And I believe that's what I've 

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learned to believe from what 
I've been doing research. 

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So she ran towards my dad and 
then disengaged from him. 

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And as she disengaged from him, 
she saw me. 

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I don't know if she knew I was 
there. 

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Wow. 
And I, I suspect because I got 

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really curious of why did you 
attack? 

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Like, how did this happen? 
I try to put all the puzzles 

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together. 
She saw your dad first. 

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She saw my dad 1st and then 
disengaged like she didn't like 

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oh Nope that's a human. 
But then she saw me. 

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Probably she was going to try to
take that same trail back out or

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an around, but I was just just 
came out. 

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So I was trapping her or or it 
might have felt like trapping 

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her in that in that area, that 
arena, it feels like and it she 

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didn't hesitate. 
It was no hesitation. 

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She turned she looked at me, her
head's down and the next like 

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milliseconds that's happening. 
I don't know if you ever watched

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like Marvel movies at the very 
beginning, how it looks like 

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it's flipping through pages. 
It's like like that's, that's 

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what I remember is just these 
frames of her coming at me and 

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like her turning her head down. 
That's a frame. 

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And then my reaction put in my 
hand to my 10 millimetre I had 

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on my side. 
That was my instant reaction. 

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Just go here and pull up. 
Wow. 

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That's impressive. 
And yeah, she didn't charge my 

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dad first. 
I would have been one of those 

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typical stories of instantly 
surprising a bear, having a gun,

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having bear spray and you're 
just getting mauled. 

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You have all the tools, but it 
just happened so fast because 

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they are wicked fast. 
Super fast, yeah, like. 

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Cat like, that's how I like it. 
That's how I remember. 

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That's just like these 500 LB 
ball of fur and muscle boom 

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right there. 
It's just insane. 

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And I tried pulling my gun out 
of my holster. 

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My father gave me different 
holster because I I had I didn't

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have the best holster for this. 
He gave me his one of his 

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holsters out of the house that 
had a strap going across it. 

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Like a retention strap, so you 
have to unsnap it to get it out.

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Well, it's you press down and 
forward. 

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It's it's officer 1. 
So like someone can't like RIP 

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the gun out of your holster, but
a, a bear's not going to RIP the

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gun out of my wrist. 
I am, you know, so I tried 

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pulling it out and I even 
practiced it, you know, when he 

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gave it to me just but my thumb 
slipped when I tried pushing 

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down and forward. 
And so I tried to pull my gun 

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out and I failed that first one.
And then by that time of that 

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reaction, trying to pull it up, 
she's already in front of me 

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with her head down. 
Then the next moment I remember 

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is how do I explain it? 
There's, I think there's like 

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grizzly cans or trucks that have
this symbol where you see a bear

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going like this, you know, like 
up and that face is in front of 

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you. 
And when she came down, I turned

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my left shoulder towards her and
my backpack that I have, it's a 

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old Cabela's backpack, I can't 
remember how many leaders it 

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holds, but has a external frame.
She ends up slapping the side of

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my backpack, coming down and 
coming across my shoulder and 

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just yards me backwards as she's
coming on top of me and by the 

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time my feet go over my head I'm
going down the hill with her on 

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top of. 
What? 

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Oh my gosh. 
And I at that, why I RIP it out 

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my gun out my holster. 
And I, I remember this just a 

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couple months ago because I got 
triggered by the event when I 

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was working out because I got 
light headed and that was the 

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same feeling I had when I shot 
myself in the leg. 

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It was just like the the 
adrenaline went through my body 

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just like, and I fell backwards 
and I was hitting the ground. 

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I tried like I guess as a 
reaction kicking her away, but I

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put the pistol to my leg as I 
was like flying backwards and I 

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shot a hole right through my 
leg. 

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Like I didn't really feel it. 
It was just like one of those 

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like. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 

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Happening, you know, and so then
she's on top of me and my other 

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legs in her face and she bites 
down on my calf. 

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Oh my God, as I fall down and 
she tries to pull me in closer 

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with her other claw. 
And at that time I'm I shot 

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myself, but I'm just pulling the
trigger as fast as I can. 

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How you you you were able to get
the gun out after? 

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Like as she hit me, like I slip,
pull it out and she's hitting 

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me. 
She's knocking me backwards. 

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And this time it's just 
reaction. 

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Just pull the trigger as fast as
I can and as I'm on the ground 

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and she's on top of me. 
It's just the weirdest things 

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that you remember thinking at 
the time and you couldn't tell 

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if you were standing next to 
her, but she was collared. 

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But she was on top of me and 
her. 

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I mean, honestly, I like look 
back and I say this to everyone.

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I think this is probably like 
the most beautiful bear I've 

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ever seen. 
Her fur was, I mean, she was 

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gorgeous, just fluffy everything
and but her fur was so thick 

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that you couldn't see her 
collar. 

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And I just remember seeing red, 
yellow or orange. 

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It was just like a flash. 
I remember thinking, oh, she's 

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collared. 
You thought? 

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That at, at that instant, I 
remember her saying, I was 

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thinking collar shoot, shoot, 
shoot, shoot. 

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And her face is in front of me. 
So she disengaged from my, my 

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leg like as I was shooting her, 
I think she's just going to go 

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from my face because she's just 
like on top of me. 

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And if you ever haunted bears, 
you realize that these animals 

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and their adrenaline is like 
insane. 

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It's absolutely insane. 
And, and The thing is, I 

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probably could have put like all
15 rounds plus one into her 

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chest and she I would have been 
picked up, ripped around like a 

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rag. 
Doll. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
But that seventh round that I 

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fired I-77 rounds as I'm just on
top and she's like coming on top

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of me. 
I, I, we haven't confirmed this,

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but this is the only thing I can
think of. 

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It probably broke her spine or I
hit her in the heart, something 

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that one of those bullets 
stopped her like boom, right on 

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top of me and she fell off of 
me. 

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And this is a 10 millimetre, 
right? 

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So the velocity of these things 
are like you can go snout the 

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ass with those things just 
because that's the velocity of 

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those. 
It doesn't have a lot of 

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stopping power. 
So for her to have an instant 

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reaction of a bullet when she's 
on top of me in mid attack, it 

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had to have like broke her spine
or something because these 

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bullets are from my father as 
she was next to me as she was, 

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she fell off of me. 
So your dad was shooting her 

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too? 
So my dad. 

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So yeah. 
So this is all happening at one 

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time. 
Like while she's on top of you, 

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your dad's shooting. 
Her so he he sees, he hears me 

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go and the bears on top of me. 
He hears a bear and just sees a 

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bear's ass like facing him. 
Oh my gosh. 

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He has a get this, he has a 
where of all the mind capacity, 

445
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,280
not just be like, that's my son 
getting attacked by a grizzly 

446
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,440
bear. 
He goes to flank her on the side

447
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:27,440
because he knows if he starts 
shooting in that direction he 

448
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,720
can shoot me. 
So he goes to the side and he's 

449
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:31,440
just shooting head, neck, head, 
neck, head, neck. 

450
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,840
And she like falls off of me. 
Oh my gosh. 

451
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:37,280
And she's sitting next or she's 
laying here next to me and I 

452
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:41,880
push myself back and I, I 
remember in my head, I remember 

453
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,280
because I just, I don't know if 
it was, this is just something 

454
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,000
that is made-up in my head or 
what. 

455
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:51,000
But I just, it's, it's so vivid 
to me that whenever you see like

456
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:52,800
a Mad Dog and you're like, they 
can't hear you. 

457
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,360
They're not there. 
Like they are doing what they 

458
00:24:55,360 --> 00:24:57,840
want to do. 
And then you see like a 

459
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:01,400
submissive like, oh, I'm here. 
Like I just this energy, I don't

460
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,400
know if it's like an energy 
thing or what, but I remember 

461
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,680
like she's, she's gone, she's 
off of me. 

462
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,680
And I remember sending my piston
on, pushing back as my dad's 

463
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:12,480
coming up and just putting the 
rest of his magazine into his. 

464
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:16,240
So it was down, but he was 
making sure it was down, yes. 

465
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:20,600
And yeah, I mean, it was, it was
clear as day what happened after

466
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,960
that. 
So she's now laying next to me. 

467
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:27,120
I set my my piss and I push back
away from her as she like fell 

468
00:25:27,120 --> 00:25:30,720
off of me and my dad just pop, 
pop, pop, pop, pop. 

469
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:35,280
And it was just instantly like 
puts another clip of magazine 

470
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:40,320
and and just I was that that 
moment of watching. 

471
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,360
I mean, I can slap her head like
right here. 

472
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:47,000
She's right here next to me and 
he's just putting bullets into 

473
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,040
her. 
And that's where these come in, 

474
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,760
from the side of the head. 
And this one. 

475
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:57,240
Yeah, so I also, what? 
Here's another one that went 

476
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,120
straight down. 
So he must have shot down. 

477
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,480
I I kind of joke when people 
come over, I say that's where I 

478
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:02,560
punched her. 
But that's not true. 

479
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,640
Obviously I'm not that strong. 
But yeah, so he put the bullets 

480
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,680
on the side of her head here and
there's a few on her neck and 

481
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:11,560
I'm sure in her shoulder when he
was falling down. 

482
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:15,200
And then obviously my other 7 
rounds or six rounds. 

483
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:16,200
I don't like that pointing at 
me. 

484
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:22,480
I'm going to turn it. 
And so, yeah, he finishes her 

485
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,240
off. 
So she is, she is not to see 

486
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,080
she's next to me. 
But that doesn't mean we're 

487
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,240
safe, right? 
We don't know what else because 

488
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,960
like I said, my dad in the past 
got charred by multiple bears at

489
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,680
once. 
So he, yeah, you know, starts 

490
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:38,360
yelling like, hey, bear, hey. 
And I remember looking up my dad

491
00:26:38,360 --> 00:26:45,440
and this all, like I said, from 
the bear, my dad yelling bear, 

492
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:51,080
the bear coming at us to the 
bear now on the ground dead and 

493
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,760
me scooting backwards was a 
total of 1012 seconds. 

494
00:26:54,880 --> 00:27:00,040
Everything like everything. 
And so I go from thing about top

495
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,000
Robin to what the hell just 
happened. 

496
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:10,200
And it was just all muscle 
memory training that I've done 

497
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,200
in the past trying to like 
simulate these type of scenarios

498
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,040
happening. 
But you know, in your head, when

499
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,240
you you're, you're simulating 
these things, you always think 

500
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,640
that you have enough time. 
But there was, there was, did. 

501
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,360
You have bear spray as well or 
just. 

502
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,280
Probably my pack. 
I mean, yeah, we did have bear 

503
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,000
spray, but it wasn't going to be
accessible. 

504
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,840
Yeah, it was buried, but we just
had our pistols. 

505
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,680
I don't know if my dad had bear 
spray on him outside his pack. 

506
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,160
But yeah, we carry bear spray 
with us. 

507
00:27:35,360 --> 00:27:39,080
At that time, it was just it was
just a day hike, you know, but 

508
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:40,440
obviously you should have that 
out. 

509
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,200
Like that's that's something you
should have. 

510
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,360
But a good question is like, 
well, if you had bear spray, 

511
00:27:45,360 --> 00:27:49,680
would it work? 
I don't think so. 

512
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,640
I think I would have been bear 
sprayed and mauled at the same 

513
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,240
time because it was just so 
fast. 

514
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,600
And the way she was on top of 
me, it was just like I said, 

515
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,360
even if I like shooting her, I 
think she would have still 

516
00:28:00,360 --> 00:28:03,240
picked me up, ripped me around 
and threw me to side like 

517
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,040
ragdoll and probably go at my 
dad after that. 

518
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,560
So she's a sow. 
We found this out later that's 

519
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,520
she was colored, right? 
So I can, I mean, they had to go

520
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:15,800
back and get the collar and 
everything. 

521
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:17,640
And they told her she was 18 
years old. 

522
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,880
She had 18. 
She was 18 or 17. 

523
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,880
She was 17 years old. 
Yeah, either 17 or 18. 

524
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:28,720
And she had three Cubs. 
So checking the boxes again, 

525
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,880
right, That's that's you're not 
making enough noise, there's not

526
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:36,400
enough wind, and now you 
surprise an animal and it's a 

527
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,560
sow. 
So we checked every box that you

528
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,000
do not want to check even one of
those. 

529
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:47,440
And from that moment that now 
the bears have ceased, my dad's 

530
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,120
yelling, you know, hey bear, he 
already reloaded. 

531
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:55,240
I look down and I I'm wearing 
like the army surplus kind of 

532
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,000
camo pants. 
I don't, I don't know what kind 

533
00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,280
of material, but they dry real 
fast. 

534
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,160
They're actually really nice. 
I like them. 

535
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:07,560
I have all the cargo stuff and 
I'm looking down. 

536
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:13,120
I shot myself and I don't know 
if I can say it on here, but 

537
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,160
he's like blah, blah, blah, not 
good, right? 

538
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:24,640
And I immediately take my pack 
off, dig into my pack. 

539
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,720
I pull out a trauma kit. 
And it's not the first time we 

540
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,080
had to use a trauma kit. 
It's always, I always carry the 

541
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,680
trauma kit with me. 
There was a second when we were 

542
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,840
going out. 
It's just like you're so I 

543
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:37,720
don't. 
Need the trauma kit? 

544
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:39,040
My God, it did go through my 
head. 

545
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:40,640
I even I said it to the sudden 
no, I don't know. 

546
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,760
And then I remember looking at 
it like now you're coming up 

547
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,400
with me and put it back in there
safe and Private Ryan always 

548
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,880
goes through my head with that 
guy that takes his armor back 

549
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,760
off that always. 
And then also on Adak, I took my

550
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,280
flashlight out my big 1, and I 
wish I didn't. 

551
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,800
That's a whole another thing. 
I definitely need a good 

552
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:03,040
flashlight that night. 
But yeah, so I took out the 

553
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:07,800
trauma kit and I immediately 
just cut ties with what's going 

554
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,040
on with me. 
I, I disassociate myself 

555
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,560
immediately with my body and I'm
like, OK, I just, I go through 

556
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:21,920
triage and I don't know if this 
was trained in my ENT red car, 

557
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,640
not my red car, but my first aid
class as a hotshot for Pioneer 

558
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,080
Peak Hotshots for a couple 
years. 

559
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:32,920
And we go through scenarios of 
how to react in certain 

560
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,480
situations to stay calm. 
First aid, you know, it's the 

561
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,920
typical for, but for the 
Hotshots, it's, it's a little 

562
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,360
bit more in depth. 
And so I kind of get into that, 

563
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,840
just that training that head and
like headspace of this is 

564
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,280
happening, take care of it. 
And same with my dad, my father,

565
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,800
he's search and rescue. 
I mean, he's usually the guy 

566
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,240
that's going out and saving 
people like this. 

567
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,400
So, yeah, good response. 
I already have them out there, 

568
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:02,760
right. 
And so look at the leg crap, RIP

569
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,520
it open. 
Just see an entrance wound. 

570
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:08,840
It's it's literally like black. 
I don't know if it's from the 

571
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,600
the gunpowder or what. 
I was point blank shot ran into 

572
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,160
my quad and I don't know where 
the exit wound was. 

573
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:18,800
It was actually it was down 
lower. 

574
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:23,000
And you know, like Forrest Gump,
he had $1,000,000 wound in his 

575
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:24,120
butt. 
Like I don't know where that 

576
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:28,480
exited, but this one, this one 
has $1,000,000 wound because it 

577
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:32,000
literally just went into my leg 
and out the leg right through my

578
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:36,480
meat and kind of severed like a 
little bit of my quad there. 

579
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,680
But it didn't take any tendons 
and hitting any arteries. 

580
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,400
Nothing. 
No bone. 

581
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:45,400
No, you're lucky, man. 
That like that, that alone is a 

582
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,960
death sentence. 
Like any different angle 

583
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:52,240
anywhere, you know, down to 
where the leg would have been. 

584
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:58,040
A much different scenario, much 
different scenario, but a bad 

585
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,520
scenario none the less, right. 
So we take the trauma kit out, 

586
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:06,760
take trauma shears, cut my pant 
leg off, realize there is a exit

587
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:11,400
wound there before I left. 
I don't know why I thought about

588
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:15,240
this, but I usually bring a 
slingshot with me to get 

589
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,200
ptarmigan, you know, So it takes
you know. 

590
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,800
But this time I brought a 22 
with and which is so much more 

591
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,480
efficient, just as fun. 
And I remember taking the rubber

592
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:28,480
part off the, the band and I 
took it out when I was putting 

593
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:29,640
everything in. 
I was like, well, maybe I'll use

594
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,080
it as a tourniquet, put it in 
there. 

595
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,000
Well, I kind of did. 
I use that because the, the 

596
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,600
quick claw that I had, it wasn't
the typical, you know, you have 

597
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,640
ripped the top off look away so 
I can blow in your face, you 

598
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:44,560
know, so we, it was like a, a 
wrap with a block on it. 

599
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,360
That was like a quick claw block
on it. 

600
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,160
And I wrap that around my leg 
and to tighten it real securely.

601
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,040
I took that rubber band or not 
the rubber band, but the 

602
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:58,800
slingshot banded tie that on 
quick and then then my dad's 

603
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:03,560
reaction is, oh, your boots 
filling off with blood and this 

604
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,480
boot I have right here that 
actually still has my blood on 

605
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,160
it here. 
Oh, geez, gross. 

606
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,240
No, this is staying with me. 
It's like that lucky pair 

607
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:16,400
underwear, you know? 
I don't know anybody that has a 

608
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:17,400
lucky pair anywhere. 
I don't know, I. 

609
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,360
Don't know what you're talking 
about. 

610
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,040
So I was like, oh, OK, 
something's going on there and a

611
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,360
dent. 
Adrenaline is just all my fears.

612
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:31,480
All I I feel is pressure, but 
that's it. 

613
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:33,800
And maybe a little bit of 
burning. 

614
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,240
And I remember looking down my 
leg and my pant leg is shredded.

615
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:41,120
Oh wow. 
Where she bit into me and I like

616
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,160
pull it back and try to wipe 
away the blood. 

617
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:47,880
And I just, we couldn't, 
couldn't get a good look what 

618
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:49,320
happened. 
Did you know that you had been 

619
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,200
bit? 
At this point, yeah, so when I, 

620
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,040
when I fell backwards like it's 
all like I'm just trying to like

621
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,680
grab like what's happening and 
in my video that's like, oh, I 

622
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,240
don't know if I've been bit or I
shot myself again like what's 

623
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:01,920
going on? 
It was confirmed at the 

624
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:03,480
hospital. 
I was like, yeah no she ripped 

625
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,640
into her leg and so I. 
You can't get stitches or 

626
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,760
anything like that cause all the
bacteria so where I'm just like 

627
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,320
I'm bleeding, I can't control 
it. 

628
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,159
It's like we tried putting 
pressure on it, just bleeding 

629
00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:17,560
from both sides of my calf when 
I didn't realize happened, like 

630
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:18,880
I just there's just so much 
blood. 

631
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,719
And so my dad grabbed the 
tourniquet. 

632
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:28,560
We have the like, this is this 
is all within minute of what's 

633
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,320
happened. 
Like we are just going into 

634
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:35,920
this, this, this mode. 
I never knew I had capacity of 

635
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,360
doing until you have that 
moment. 

636
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,080
I just didn't know. 
I just went into it. 

637
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:46,320
It's just this almost so bizarre
and awesome, honestly, that I 

638
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:47,880
was able to get in my father 
too. 

639
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,639
We just like it was like not 
even, we didn't even have to 

640
00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:53,000
like even communicate in a way. 
We just knew what to do at that 

641
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,040
time. 
But we never practice this, you 

642
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,680
know, except for, you know, EMT,
but in separate places because 

643
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,920
my dad was always in, you know, 
law enforcement. 

644
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,040
I was in firefighting. 
So I just kind of work together.

645
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:05,560
I guess we got trained in the 
same way. 

646
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:13,880
But so we start putting the 
tourniquet on and my dad, so he 

647
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,520
puts the tourniquet on and then,
you know, it's a high stretch 

648
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,640
situation. 
And so he puts on backwards the 

649
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,640
first time and he's like, oh, 
crap, doing again. 

650
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,640
Then he puts on back. 
I mean, he's like, I need to put

651
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:26,720
this on. 
He puts on backwards. 

652
00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:29,960
You know, I'm looking at my dad.
I said, I'm good, I got we're 

653
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,880
good, we are good. 
And I just remember making that 

654
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,800
eye contact with him. 
And I mean, we were in a space 

655
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,760
of already going, but that 
moment of like, we make an eye 

656
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,280
contact and we're saying we got 
this. 

657
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:46,880
That's when we really both went 
into this like, all right, slow 

658
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,400
as smooth, smooth as fast, go 
through everything. 

659
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,040
Like, because I mean, rush, you 
know how much blood is missing? 

660
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:54,320
Like you're trying to move fast,
right? 

661
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,480
And he puts that tourniquet on 
and this is where he gets his 

662
00:35:58,480 --> 00:35:59,680
revenge with me here for a 
second. 

663
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,040
He tightens it up. 
I'm like, he's like, how is that

664
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,280
tight enough? 
I'm like, yeah, I know. 

665
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,280
I think that's that's really 
tight. 

666
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:10,080
Oh, OK, crank. 
I'm like, Oh my God. 

667
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,240
So that's how you're supposed to
do a tourniquet. 

668
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,160
Yeah, I remember that in class 
too. 

669
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,880
Well, does not feel good. 
And it sure as hell stop 

670
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:22,520
bleeding. 
Like it just cut the 

671
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,560
circulation. 
We put it just below my, my knee

672
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:28,240
right here, right above the 
wound and stop the bleeding 

673
00:36:28,240 --> 00:36:32,120
right there. 
So, yeah, that that tourniquet 

674
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,000
saves lives. 
Painful. 

675
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:38,160
Painful it is. 
Yeah. 

676
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,040
And at this point, I don't even 
like I I had so much adrenaline 

677
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,000
going through my body. 
And that's, that's when I start.

678
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,840
I pull out my camera, my phone. 
Yeah, that video went viral. 

679
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:49,120
Yeah, yeah. 
I went around. 

680
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:53,000
They were like like this guy, 
like they didn't realize it was 

681
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,520
5 minutes after, maybe 4 minutes
after the attack because I was 

682
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,440
actually so calm. 
But then I'm like pointed out 

683
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,880
the bear, you know, and then I'm
like, and I also shot myself and

684
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:03,840
I go down to my leg and they're 
like, wait, what? 

685
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,400
Like there's a ball hole and 
then you see my leg blood and 

686
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,880
tourniquet on. 
I'm like, yeah, I'm trying to 

687
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:13,320
keep my heart rate down because 
that's, you know, like keep your

688
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:14,800
heart rate down in these 
situations. 

689
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,760
Like, you know, your heart rates
pumping, you know, lose more 

690
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,280
blood. 
And so it's like get your heart 

691
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,520
rate down when you're panicking.
You make decisions that you 

692
00:37:23,720 --> 00:37:25,320
probably wouldn't make if you 
were calm. 

693
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,320
So I grabbed my phone. 
I was like, I'm talking to my 

694
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:29,360
phone. 
It's just something I do when I 

695
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:30,520
go hiking. 
I love hiking. 

696
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,320
I love being outdoors. 
I love videotaping. 

697
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:36,640
And so that was kind of a, a 
place that can pull me away from

698
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:42,720
what was happening and really 
try to, I, I guess, just address

699
00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:44,800
the situation the best way I 
could. 

700
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,520
And, you know, looking up like, 
Oh, it's a beautiful day, you 

701
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,280
know, and my dad's in the 
background. 

702
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,520
We have an in reach. 
And so that at that point I'm 

703
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,280
I'm like secure, right? 
For the most part, You know, we 

704
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,040
make a perimeter looking around,
see if there's more animals, 

705
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,920
more threats. 
My dad gets on his because he 

706
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,640
connects his I think it's a mini
in reach. 

707
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:08,800
I'm sure you talked about these 
things. 

708
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,560
Sitting right up there all. 
Right there lifesavers. 

709
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:17,760
I've we've used them no, across 
from Homer we didn't. 

710
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,080
We had actually cell phone 
service for the guy that had the

711
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:24,280
appendix that blew up, but in 
ADAC we had to use the in reach 

712
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:28,120
and I. 
Had cell phone service for my 

713
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,920
situation too so. 
Yeah, it's nice where we were 

714
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,280
at, We we had nothing. 
We were barricading around 

715
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,600
mountains. 
There is nothing but us and a 

716
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:41,320
dead bear. 
And you know, is, is that type 

717
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,760
of situation. 
And like I said, I probably had 

718
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,800
the best, the best partner to 
have that situation. 

719
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:47,560
Yeah, right. 
Right, right. 

720
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:51,400
He was already there. 
Like instant instant search and 

721
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,280
rescue. 
Yeah, he, you know, and I 

722
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,600
remember, I can't like quote 
exactly what he says. 

723
00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:00,600
I don't know if I got it on 
camera, but he he has a few 

724
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,720
people he can reach out to. 
I think you reach out to someone

725
00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:04,800
personal that he knows he can 
get a hold of right away. 

726
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:10,440
The troopers, I think this SOS 
might have because I know Jay 

727
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:15,520
Bear, that's the military base 
in Anchorage. 

728
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,440
They responded. 
So there's a few people he was 

729
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:26,400
contacting and he said my son 
attacked by a bear, gunshot 

730
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:35,160
wound, bear bite controlled 
bleeding stable LZ clear because

731
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,040
we were in a we were in a pretty
good spot for a helicopter 

732
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,720
landing and then coordinates and
then he would go over and over 

733
00:39:39,720 --> 00:39:43,240
and over again with A and until 
we started getting response back

734
00:39:43,240 --> 00:39:47,760
saying it's spinning up. 
Well, he lied to me, you know, 

735
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,760
for a little bit, you know, it's
just trying to calm me down. 

736
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,400
Well, I mean we already calm but
he wanted to keep my hopes up 

737
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,600
that they were coming quicker 
which. 

738
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,480
How long did it take? 
It took pretty quick, 2 1/2 

739
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,680
hours, still sucked. 
But yeah, because we where we're

740
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:07,240
at on the Kenai. 
So if you ever been to Anchorage

741
00:40:07,240 --> 00:40:09,480
and you drove down to the Kenai,
the tourniquet arm. 

742
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,320
You know, you're looking across 
the water and you see big 

743
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,520
mountains, you see hope over 
there. 

744
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,000
I mean, you might not know 
you're looking at hope, but 

745
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,960
there's hope over there. 
But over those mountains and 

746
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,000
across the woods, over the 
bridge, you go. 

747
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,560
That's where we're at, where, 
you know, there's just mountains

748
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:28,440
and no one around. 
So they just had to go across 

749
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,280
the water. 
To us it was about a 15 minute 

750
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,520
helicopter ride, but they had to
get everyone spun up right. 

751
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,600
I think people that especially 
people that listen to this 

752
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,520
aren't a lot of people that 
listen to these aren't outdoors 

753
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,560
people. 
And they think 2 1/2 hours is an

754
00:40:41,720 --> 00:40:44,600
incredibly long time and in it, 
and if you're living in the 

755
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,280
city, response time is pretty 
quick if you're calling police. 

756
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,080
But this is not calling police 
like you're in certain 

757
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,320
situations where you're hoping 
that it's not just like a 

758
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,120
volunteer search and rescue or 
it could be anybody, right? 

759
00:40:56,240 --> 00:40:57,880
Right. 
And you, depending on where 

760
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,600
you're at, how far you are, what
the obstacles are, it can. 

761
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,960
I've talked to people that it's 
taken 1012 hours to get search 

762
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:05,000
and rescue out. 
There, yeah. 

763
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:09,000
And especially with a tourniquet
on, we don't want that. 

764
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,200
But yeah, they showed up in 2 
1/2 hours. 

765
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,480
And yeah, you're right. 
I've had people were in Austin, 

766
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,680
you know, inevitably the story 
comes up and they're like, how 

767
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:18,000
long did it take you? 
It's like 2 1/2 hours. 

768
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:19,880
You're like, Oh my God, that's a
long time. 

769
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,520
I'm like, no, that's pretty 
quick. 

770
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,600
That's pretty quick. 
And I didn't have to hike out, I

771
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,760
didn't have to use my gun or 
anything. 

772
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,880
I was like a, a walking stick, 
you know, I didn't have to drag 

773
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:35,040
my legs. 
So yeah, I might be optimist, 

774
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:39,320
but I got out there like fairly 
quick. 

775
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,480
It was the longest 2 1/2 hours 
of my life, that's for sure. 

776
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,080
Because the adrenaline wears 
off, wear it off for me at least

777
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,360
for about 45 minutes. 
And that's when the video 

778
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:53,640
stopped and, and my dad can tell
that I started getting a little 

779
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,600
more uncomfortable. 
And about 45 minutes in, I 

780
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:58,440
started realizing, oh, I had 
more wounds than that. 

781
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,480
And then where she gashed me in 
my side of my hip when she 

782
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:01,440
pulled me in. 
Really. 

783
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:03,920
Oh wow. 
I actually found that out 

784
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:07,520
because I have these things are 
like called Teaser. 

785
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:14,000
They're not sponsored by Teaser,
you know, it's a chew that is 

786
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,200
just tea pouches, no nicotine, 
no tobacco. 

787
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,360
It's just kind of like a tea in 
your mouth with a little bit of 

788
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,520
caffeine. 
And I went and I was like, you 

789
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,480
know what Probably wasn't smart 
because we ran out of water and 

790
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,360
that just dry your mouth off. 
But I was looking for something 

791
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:26,880
that was familiar. 
And I remember pulling it out 

792
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,840
and it was like a cartoon, you 
know, as everything just dumped 

793
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,000
out because you got like, 
there's a claw mark went right 

794
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:33,920
through the top. 
Of it and. 

795
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:38,080
He's like, well, that sucks. 
And I set it down, look around 

796
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:42,240
like, well, wait, what the heck?
And I kind of like actually I 

797
00:42:42,240 --> 00:42:43,600
started feeling something beside
my hip. 

798
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:47,960
I looked down and I put my hand 
to my hip and a little 

799
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,000
disgusting but I was like, oh, 
my fingers went into a huge 

800
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:50,520
gash. 
I was like. 

801
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:51,640
Oh. 
Dude. 

802
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,840
And I felt a sting. 
I was like, oh, oh, I looked at 

803
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:55,680
my dad. 
I was like, hey, do you have a 

804
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:56,680
bandana? 
And he said why? 

805
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:57,840
I was like, I got to gash my 
leg. 

806
00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:59,360
And he's like, OK, yeah. 
And he threw me his bandana. 

807
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,280
He was sweaty and asked Batman, 
I'm like, get in there. 

808
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:06,520
Oh man, you know, and. 
So you you like, sutured 

809
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,200
yourself up essentially. 
Yeah, like, yeah, I just, like, 

810
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:14,160
stuffed it in there. 
And so, yeah, at that time. 

811
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:17,120
So after that happened, I 
realized now that's in my head, 

812
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,360
I got this, this and this. 
I started getting really 

813
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,760
comfortable because of the 
tourniquet, trying to keep your 

814
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,960
leg up, your, you know, you got 
all these different sensations 

815
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,120
going through your body. 
My heart rate, I was keeping 

816
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,080
down. 
But again, I'm looking for 

817
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:34,840
something familiar to keep me in
a state of not panicking, right.

818
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,720
My dad's coming back with like, 
he's like blocking the sun for 

819
00:43:38,720 --> 00:43:41,480
me, like something that you 
don't really think about. 

820
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:45,200
My dad stands in front of me 
intentionally to block that son 

821
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,400
from beating down on me because 
we ended up running out of 

822
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:48,720
water. 
And he's like, OK, we need to, 

823
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,720
you know, keep him comfortable 
as best as possible. 

824
00:43:52,720 --> 00:43:55,360
So he's telling me they're 
spinning up and these in reach 

825
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,840
messages are a little bit slower
than your typical text messages,

826
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,840
right? 
So very useful. 

827
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:03,520
Texas satellite. 
It's it's amazing. 

828
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:07,080
A little bit slower, so we're 
getting messages in like, you 

829
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:11,480
know, we're 30 minutes out and 
that was about an hour in or an 

830
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,000
hour and a half. 
About an hour and a half in. 

831
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:14,000
It was about an hour and a half 
in. 

832
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:18,000
He said they're half hour out. 
So grab my phone, put 1/2 hour 

833
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,320
on that. 
Probably the worst idea I 

834
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:24,320
probably could have done because
it's like watching paint dry or 

835
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,240
you know, when you're getting 
ready to go out for recess or 

836
00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:29,560
leave school, you're watching 9 
O clock go tick, tick, tick. 

837
00:44:29,720 --> 00:44:34,080
And I have one song that I 
played over and over again. 

838
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:38,360
It's just like a North Norwegian
kind of like primal song, just 

839
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,520
keeping me going. 
Battle drums, whatever, 

840
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,200
whatever. 
What in those situations, like 

841
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,120
do whatever makes you feel 
comfortable patting you on the 

842
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:46,280
head. 
Sure, like whatever. 

843
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,920
And like it, it, it, it sucks. 
I'm trying to take that that 

844
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,920
pain away or just the the idea 
of it. 

845
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:55,360
Actually, at one point a 
helicopter did pass us. 

846
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,200
So we're looking down like in 
the videos, you can see that 

847
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,200
like almost like a tunnel and 
you can hear thump, thump, 

848
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,040
thump, thump, man. 
Were you thinking that was it? 

849
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,440
And that was about 40 some 
minutes into it or something 

850
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,000
like it might actually might 
have been just before he said 

851
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,840
1/2 hour. 
And it was a white and red 

852
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,640
helicopter. 
So I'm thinking like, oh, it's 

853
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,080
AUS Coast Guard. 
It must have been like some 

854
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,320
sightseeing helicopter because 
it just went right by. 

855
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:24,600
I'm like, oh, come back, come 
back. 

856
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:27,040
But no. 
Then he says a little bit later,

857
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:30,280
that's 1/2 hour. 
So I'm watching the clock go 

858
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:31,600
down. 
I'm listening to this music, 

859
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,720
super uncomfortable. 
And at this time I actually 

860
00:45:34,720 --> 00:45:39,400
found a comfortable position 
that was on my stomach because, 

861
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:40,280
you know, I can't be on this 
side. 

862
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:41,520
I can't be on this side or I 
can't be. 

863
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,680
It's just uncomfortable. 
And I'm literally face to face. 

864
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,400
I'm looking at this bear's face 
now. 

865
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,080
There's flies flying around her 
and stuff. 

866
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:53,400
But I'm just like, at this 
moment, just like for a while, 

867
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,840
just staring at her. 
And it's just, it's just 

868
00:45:55,840 --> 00:46:00,280
bizarre. 
You know, you don't think about 

869
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,800
the consequences. 
Well, I mean, at least I didn't 

870
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:08,000
think about the consequences of 
a gun like, you know, you know, 

871
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,320
like, you know, you're using 
this gun, there's a reason for 

872
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:15,320
it. 
But laying there next to the the

873
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:19,120
bear and what happened, you 
know, you start, it's just like,

874
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:22,240
Oh yeah, I killed her, right. 
That time I didn't know there 

875
00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:23,920
was even Cubs. 
I was even, I was actually 

876
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:25,880
feeling a little bit remorse 
because I wasn't going hunting 

877
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,880
for brown bear. 
I don't, I don't want to go 

878
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,200
hunting for some or kill 
something that I don't want to 

879
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,280
eat, not something that I want 
to bring back and provide. 

880
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:36,360
That's just me. 
And I ended up inevitably 

881
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,840
killing an animal that was just 
doing her own thing and we were 

882
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:40,640
doing our own thing too. 
Like I'm not saying we don't 

883
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,800
belong out there. 
That's I belong out in the 

884
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:48,640
woods, that's for sure. 
But it's just unforeseen 

885
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:50,840
circumstances and just 
unfortunate how everything 

886
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:55,080
played out. 
So I that, that scenario was 

887
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,880
just sitting here with the bear,
like had time to think about. 

888
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,600
And then also, you know, waiting
for the helicopter. 

889
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,120
And I think about that often 
actually now. 

890
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:11,600
And about 2 1/2 hours go by and 
that's when Joe the trooper. 

891
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,280
So they, they sent 2 
helicopters, 1 just in case 

892
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,280
something didn't work out. 
I think it's called like, you 

893
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,040
know, I had to go somewhere 
else. 

894
00:47:19,240 --> 00:47:23,800
So they sent 2 helicopters and 
the troopers helicopter landed 

895
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:28,440
and I had this whole idea that I
was going to videotape the 

896
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:29,880
helicopter coming in because 
it's just me. 

897
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:34,760
I didn't, I didn't I, I lay 
there, I didn't even, I didn't 

898
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:36,960
even pick my head up, man. 
I heard, I said yeah. 

899
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:38,920
OK, cool. 
Adrenaline was kind. 

900
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:42,560
Of it was gone, it was yesterday
probably, you know, it went away

901
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:46,920
right at that point. 
And I hear it and I can hear I'm

902
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,320
going through the bushes and I 
pick my head up. 

903
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:53,000
I see Joe and he's a, he's a 
bigger, stronger guy, you know, 

904
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:56,520
And then it's like, Oh, I can't 
get up and they have to drag me 

905
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:57,680
through. 
So they're trying to fumble and 

906
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,040
push me through or drag me 
through. 

907
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:03,400
And Joe just grabbed me from 
like the back of my shirt and my

908
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,400
dad grabs me from my legs and 
just yards me through all those 

909
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,360
bushes. 
And I remember we crossed the 

910
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:13,960
Creek and I'm just like, it's 
not like early days, you know, 

911
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,480
I, I don't know, like I lost a 
lot of blood, but I don't think 

912
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,360
it was that enough to be like, 
right, right, right. 

913
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,120
But at that point, I was just 
like, done with it. 

914
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:26,480
And I remember going through the
Creek and feeling the wet on my 

915
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:27,440
butt. 
I'm like, oh, that feels nice. 

916
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:29,920
And I'm going through. 
And then he kind of little set 

917
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,720
me down. 
And the helicopter pilot is 

918
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,000
right here. 
And I'm next to the ski. 

919
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,520
And Joe and my dad are talking. 
They actually know each other. 

920
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,960
And look at the helicopter 
pilot. 

921
00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:44,920
He looks at me. 
He's like, yeah, you're good. 

922
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,680
I'm like, yeah, for sure. 
Thanks. 

923
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:51,760
And I hear them talking saying 
Joe's like the the Blackhawk is 

924
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:53,600
going to be here shortly with 
the PJS. 

925
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:57,400
Should we wait for them? 
And I remember hearing that I'm 

926
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,720
like, I can't remember exactly 
what I said, but I might have 

927
00:49:00,720 --> 00:49:02,880
said explicit. 
So I'm like hell no. 

928
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,840
And I start like crawling my way
into the helicopter. 

929
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:07,680
I Get Me Out of here. 
So I pulled myself in the 

930
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:09,800
helicopter and they're like, 
guess who's going? 

931
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:15,800
So I get into the helicopter and
Joe jumps in with me and that's 

932
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,520
when I take probably the most 
painful and most beautiful 

933
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:19,800
helicopter ride I've ever been 
on. 

934
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:21,560
I've been on a lot of 
helicopters being a hotshot. 

935
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,680
And this was just like, like I 
said, it was a gorgeous day and 

936
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:26,600
I never thought I'd get this 
view of all the mountains back 

937
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:28,160
there. 
I'm hiking, always hiking back 

938
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,520
in that area, going through hope
and stuff with this perspective 

939
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:33,880
up on. 
It's just, it was great, a 

940
00:49:34,240 --> 00:49:36,120
little bit bumpy, painful, but 
it was great. 

941
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:40,360
And Joe actually, dude, he, he 
put an IV in me as the IT was 

942
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:41,400
bumpy. 
It was very good. 

943
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:42,960
And I remember looking 
impressive. 

944
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,400
I know that's awesome. 
I was like, dude, nice work. 

945
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:48,640
And he did it correctly. 
Even the even the nurses are 

946
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:50,160
like, wow, he did great. 
So shout out Joe. 

947
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:57,800
And like, I was like, is that, 
you know, he's like, no, it's 

948
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:03,160
just sailing. 
I was like, OK, Dang it, but my 

949
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:07,240
dad's still back there, right? 
So my dad's still hanging out 

950
00:50:07,240 --> 00:50:09,680
with a bear. 
I think the Black Hawk shows 

951
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,880
like 15 minutes, maybe 20 
minutes afterwards. 

952
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:15,920
So he got the cool ride. 
He got the cool ride with the 

953
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:17,600
Blackhawk, but the PJS? 
The limousine. 

954
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:19,840
Yeah, I know that's actually on 
the news. 

955
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,240
A videotape, the Blackhawk 
coming in, like thinking it was 

956
00:50:22,240 --> 00:50:23,400
me. 
It was really just my dad 

957
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,520
because they they picked him up 
or he was like, can you help me?

958
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:31,920
And they're like, come on. 
That would have sucked. 

959
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,240
Like, have fun. 
Walk back, Pops, you know? 

960
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:37,840
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
So yeah, he got picked up and 

961
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:41,920
then he showed up the hospital 
and and when I was going into 

962
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:48,080
the hospital, there is probably 
like 1520 people maybe waiting 

963
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,160
for me. 
You know, they have the idea 

964
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:55,040
that, oh, there's a bear gonna 
be a gunshot wound. 

965
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:56,400
They're like, what the hell is 
going on? 

966
00:50:56,400 --> 00:51:00,960
And I can't remember what I 
said, but I remember saying 

967
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:02,920
something corny, like kind of 
like a joke. 

968
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,200
That is how I am. 
And I can just like tell they're

969
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,080
like. 
OK, he's fine. 

970
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,640
He's fine, Yeah. 
And that's when they take the 

971
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:11,040
tourniquet off. 
And I was just like. 

972
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:13,440
Oh boy. 
So I, you know, honestly, I 

973
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,640
didn't know if I don't know 
where I heard this, but it might

974
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:20,520
have been like a how long a time
you can have a tourniquet on to 

975
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:23,160
where you I have a issue of bad 
blood. 

976
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:26,440
I didn't know that timeline. 
So I even asked the doctor. 

977
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:27,880
I was like, is this going to 
kill me? 

978
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,200
You know, he's like No 2 1/2 
hours. 

979
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:31,840
That's fine. 
People have it on for longer. 

980
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:33,040
And again, I still don't know 
the time. 

981
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:36,800
Probably should learn that. 
But yeah, they took that 

982
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:40,840
tourniquet off and it was just 
like, felt so good. 

983
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,360
And then they, you know, 
obviously dosed me up tattoos. 

984
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,520
Like I was like, oh, this is 
great, you know, making jokes 

985
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:48,400
with the nurses and getting, I 
can't remember if it's a CAT 

986
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:53,520
scan or something like that to 
see if, you know, if any vessels

987
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:57,200
were busted, bones broken or 
whatever, you know? 

988
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,520
So yeah, that's that that then 
they let me out of the hospital 

989
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:05,400
that night on good behavior, so 
they let. 

990
00:52:05,720 --> 00:52:07,400
You out that? 
Same day, yeah, they let me out 

991
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:11,880
that same day because I, because
I had my, my mother and 

992
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,600
father-in-law actually came to 
the hospital they live in at 

993
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:19,400
that time is Thunderbird Falls. 
And they had an extra bed that 

994
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:21,400
they had there. 
And all I had to do is like, I 

995
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:26,640
mean, really besides, you know, 
getting medicated for the pain 

996
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:28,880
or whatever, I just, I had 
control. 

997
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:30,240
I was like bleeding. 
Stop. 

998
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:33,000
They stuffed it full of stuff to
make it so I don't bleed as 

999
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:34,680
much. 
Obviously I bled through that. 

1000
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:39,080
But yeah, there was nothing else
really I can do except for like 

1001
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,160
knew that I was good. 
I was in good health, good 

1002
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:42,720
spirits. 
And they're like, hey, you're 

1003
00:52:42,720 --> 00:52:45,440
good, man, Sweet, Get Me Out of 
there. 

1004
00:52:45,720 --> 00:52:53,000
And then, yeah, that's when I, 
Oh my, my wife, that's, that is 

1005
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,880
a whole thing too 'cause she's 
in Austin, right? 

1006
00:52:55,920 --> 00:53:02,320
And she gets a message about 
probably 30 minutes after the 

1007
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,000
whole thing happens and the only
thing she gets is Tyler got 

1008
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:06,880
mauled by a bear, a helicopter 
on the way. 

1009
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:11,720
So she has our two year old son 
in a place where we just moved. 

1010
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:15,000
Like, like she has like 2 
friends there 'cause they're her

1011
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:19,640
boss, right? 
And her boss's husband and it's 

1012
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,600
just her. 
So I like they come in, I'm 

1013
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:26,960
getting interviewed by, you 
know, a trooper and a, a game 

1014
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:28,520
warden. 
They're asking me questions like

1015
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:30,880
what happened? 
Probably because they want to do

1016
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:32,960
the report. 
But it's like, you know, I had 

1017
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:35,440
AI had a game warden with me. 
I think he gots the report. 

1018
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:39,680
You know, I think he's, I, I, I 
think it's clear. 

1019
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:41,880
I think it's clear that this was
self-defense, right. 

1020
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:45,840
Sorry, I didn't have a my brown 
bear harvest tag, but yeah, 

1021
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:49,080
there's a dead bear up there. 
But yeah, I remember the doctor 

1022
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,960
walking in with the white phone 
and talking to her and I, I 

1023
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:54,320
think I made a joke to make her 
feel a bit better and I was all 

1024
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:56,640
good. 
But yeah, that was, I can't 

1025
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,280
imagine like, just like sitting 
there for another two hours just

1026
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,960
waiting for like, what happened,
you know, like they don't know 

1027
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:05,320
if my, my leg is running off 
like a, like a dog bone with a 

1028
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:08,320
bear somewhere like a mile away 
or, you know, there's more 

1029
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:09,000
bears. 
Yeah. 

1030
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,320
Right, right, right. 
You know, how much blood am I 

1031
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:14,520
losing? 
So all considering I consider 

1032
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:18,680
myself, like I'm saying I'm an 
optimist, fairly lucky. 

1033
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:22,000
I would say you are fairly, 
fairly lucky. 

1034
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,800
Is, is an understanding. 
I, I'm, I'm just sitting here 

1035
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,640
thinking, I can't believe that 
you spent your, you, you grew up

1036
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:32,880
in Alaska, but you leave Alaska 
and the one time you go back is 

1037
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:36,680
when you get mauled by a bear. 
Like how did you go your whole 

1038
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:39,880
life? 
And then when you go back they 

1039
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:41,440
were like, screw you for 
leaving. 

1040
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:46,080
That's my my I think I think 
Alaska was pissed I was leaving 

1041
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:49,960
because even like 2 weeks before
that's the right before I did my

1042
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,760
drive. 
I was going sockeye fishing in 

1043
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:56,840
the Kenai and I had AI think 
it's a size 5. 

1044
00:54:56,840 --> 00:55:00,000
It's one of those bigger 
gamagatsu hooks go right through

1045
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:01,880
my lip there. 
There's a picture online. 

1046
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:05,720
There's cut it off, but I have a
a hook that went right through 

1047
00:55:05,720 --> 00:55:07,800
my leg. 
I was a legal catch, obviously, 

1048
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:10,480
but you can't keep kings, right?
So threw me back. 

1049
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:15,040
But so yeah, there's a picture 
of me with a hook through my 

1050
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,040
face. 
And in my bear video, you can 

1051
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:19,760
see a scar right here. 
So yeah, I was in the emergency 

1052
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:21,520
room a few times. 
Alaska was pissed I was leaving.

1053
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:22,400
They're like, what are you 
doing? 

1054
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,240
Yeah, no kidding. 
Like, so we should probably tell

1055
00:55:25,240 --> 00:55:28,640
people that this is not the. 
Somebody's going to comment and 

1056
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:30,920
be like, wait a minute. 
Yeah, you can't have that. 

1057
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:35,640
Yeah. 
So this is a replica of the bear

1058
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:38,080
skull so. 
Very well done, Replica, yeah. 

1059
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:43,440
I might add, I know so my my dad
actually got an award. 

1060
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:47,600
It's like Blue Cross award for 
saving someone in the wild, 

1061
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:50,080
which is dope. 
Awesome like your dad getting an

1062
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:53,720
award for saving your life. 
Awesome props. 

1063
00:55:53,720 --> 00:55:55,280
Love that. 
So someone got in contact with 

1064
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:59,640
them because typically for 
anyone else wondering when this 

1065
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:05,680
type of situation happens, you 
have to skin the bear, bring the

1066
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:08,560
sex. 
I think the pause I concluded 

1067
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:14,600
and the skull that way they can 
examine it and confirm she was 

1068
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,320
collared. 
So they had to go retrieve the 

1069
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:19,640
collar and for and we were 18 
miles back. 

1070
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:23,680
That would have sucked. 
And it pays off to have a father

1071
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:27,560
that's in that type of field and
like a, you know, biologist. 

1072
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:29,960
Can you go out there and get the
stuff and like for sure. 

1073
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:35,480
So they got the collar, the the 
skull and they put it on the the

1074
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:38,960
fleshing worms and stuff to get 
it going to get it all nice and 

1075
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:43,760
pretty. 
But then a like a movie peep 

1076
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:46,040
whoever makes replicas or 
anything for movies. 

1077
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:49,520
I can't remember the the 
company, but they contacted my 

1078
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:51,720
dad. 
They said, hey, can we make a 

1079
00:56:51,720 --> 00:56:53,960
replica of this? 
And we'll give you back the 

1080
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:57,040
original, obviously, but you'll 
have a replica and you can have 

1081
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:58,120
that. 
That's cool, man. 

1082
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:06,960
So the original is at the Park 
Service cabin at Morgan's 

1083
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:10,200
Landing in Sterling. 
Actually, probably on my dad's 

1084
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:11,960
desk because that's where he's 
working now, because he just 

1085
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:15,920
doesn't stop. 
So it's available like can you 

1086
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:18,200
go see it kind of thing. 
Yeah, I mean, I think you, I 

1087
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:20,000
mean, if you go in there and you
ask them, they were like, yeah. 

1088
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:21,200
Oh, wow, that's come on down. 
Yeah. 

1089
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:24,480
It's actually a cool cabin that 
has a really beautiful view over

1090
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,600
the Kenai River and all the 
Kenai Mountain range. 

1091
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:29,880
It's like an awesome cabin out 
there and really good fishing in

1092
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:31,840
the summertime. 
Obviously it's the Kenai River, 

1093
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:34,880
right. 
So, yeah, the original is with 

1094
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:37,840
them. 
So yeah, you can't, you can't. 

1095
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:41,480
The reason why you can't keep 
all that stuff because I was 

1096
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:45,640
like, well, that's, that's like,
why can't she's like, well, you 

1097
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:48,240
know, if someone's out there 
poaching, you know, they can 

1098
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:51,680
say, oh, it attacked me, right? 
And then they would get to keep 

1099
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:53,520
everything. 
So I get it. 

1100
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:55,200
It'd be nice to keep everything,
but you can't. 

1101
00:57:55,280 --> 00:58:01,280
And then on top of that, I mean,
if you, if a, if a bear skull or

1102
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:04,760
a bear hide had a story behind 
it, then it starts being a 

1103
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:08,520
little bit more of a value and 
it can be like a black market 

1104
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:13,160
type of thing. 
So I 100% understand the reasons

1105
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:16,640
behind all this, which I can 
keep it, but it is what it is. 

1106
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:18,600
So I got a replica and that's 
awesome. 

1107
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:21,680
Usually right now it has a 
Christmas hat on it, but I I 

1108
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:23,360
flew it with me here to show 
you. 

1109
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:25,720
That's pretty amazing that you 
even got it here. 

1110
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:27,840
I'm impressed you brought it. 
Yeah. 

1111
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:31,040
So what's life been like since 
this has gone down? 

1112
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:35,520
I at first it was wild. 
I, I never got, I was like, 

1113
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:39,720
dude, I'm a small town sold out 
and a kid, you know, born and 

1114
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:42,120
raised, I can graduate. 
I think it was like 82 people, 

1115
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:45,400
which is, I mean, that's a bit 
for there anyways. 

1116
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:50,840
And I, I started getting all 
this media attention and it was 

1117
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:53,560
just, it was just weird, you 
know, but it's funny because I 

1118
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:56,560
sent my, after I got interviewed
by Alaska news source. 

1119
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:58,760
They did a fantastic job. 
By the way. 

1120
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:01,640
Come to find out some news 
sources are a little bit 

1121
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:02,800
different. 
Even. 

1122
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:06,760
Even if you get like a 45 minute
interview, it's still went out 

1123
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:10,880
there that my dad shot me like. 
Really guys like. 

1124
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:14,120
What are you doing? 
I clickbait guy. 

1125
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:16,600
OK, yeah. 
It was like in New Zealand or 

1126
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:18,040
Australia, they made it all the 
way there. 

1127
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:20,360
It was an international news. 
There was a company that reached

1128
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:23,680
out to me to monetize the video.
Just made a little bit off that 

1129
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:27,480
I guess, but it's funny because.
Did you post the video? 

1130
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:29,800
Is that how like on your own? 
Is that how it kind of went? 

1131
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:33,040
Nuts. 
I posted a shorter video like 

1132
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:35,040
there was one where I just like 
in grimacing. 

1133
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:38,320
I'm like there's the bear black.
It was like a 12 second video. 

1134
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:43,720
But when I went on to Alaska 
news source, they made a a 

1135
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:45,920
compilation of all the videos 
that I had. 

1136
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:51,880
So I had about 6 minutes of 
videotaping from about four to 5

1137
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:54,200
minutes after the attack, and I 
started just videotaping, 

1138
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:56,800
explaining, like literally 
explaining what's going on. 

1139
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:59,640
It's actually pretty good. 
I mean, looking back, I wasn't 

1140
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:02,680
thinking about at the time, but 
it's a really good training, 

1141
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:04,240
honestly. 
Like, you see what? 

1142
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:07,920
Like this is a case scenario. 
And honestly, what my father and

1143
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:11,320
I did was textbook perfect in my
opinion. 

1144
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:16,320
Just saying. 
I'm just saying, but I don't 

1145
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:18,920
know, go watch the video and you
can come up with your own 

1146
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:22,520
conclusions, right? 
But it was really weird because 

1147
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:25,320
I started getting messages from 
people because I didn't post the

1148
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:29,720
big one Alaska news source did. 
But then a whole like a bunch of

1149
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:32,080
people started taking that video
and making their own videos of 

1150
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:34,880
my video and mom and my Co 
workers texted me. 

1151
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:35,680
He's like, dude, you're blowing 
up. 

1152
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:36,680
I'm like, what are you talking 
about? 

1153
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:39,320
And then I started getting 
messages from Inside Edition and

1154
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:41,360
all this other stuff like what's
going on? 

1155
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:43,440
And I didn't have a Twitter. 
Like I was like tweeting. 

1156
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:44,600
I don't even know what that's 
for. 

1157
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:46,800
I whatever. 
I got a Facebook and Instagram 

1158
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:50,200
and they're like, yeah, your 
video has like 4 million views 

1159
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:51,640
and he checks me back 5 million 
views. 

1160
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:54,840
I'm like, what's going on? 
And then I go on there and and 

1161
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:56,560
they're like Joe Rogan shared 
your video. 

1162
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:58,000
I'm like, what's going on? 
Or he reposted. 

1163
01:00:58,000 --> 01:00:59,920
I don't know how Twitter works, 
but he's like, he reposted it. 

1164
01:00:59,920 --> 01:01:02,560
And then one of my other 
favorite ones was the guy that 

1165
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:06,960
does Red zone. 
He's the red zone guy. 

1166
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:11,480
What's his name anyways? 
He posted it, he commented on it

1167
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:13,320
and it was just like, what is 
going on? 

1168
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:16,240
And then you have all these 
other like on Instagram, these 

1169
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:18,320
guys are getting like 3 million 
views on it. 

1170
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:20,920
Facebook is having I I haven't 
looked in a while. 

1171
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:23,320
Like I'm sure it's probably even
more than that. 

1172
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:27,400
Then I had my stab at it and try
to post it on TikTok and they're

1173
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:30,200
like animal cruelty. 
I was like, oh. 

1174
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:33,600
Yeah, Wow. 
That's that. 

1175
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:38,840
Whatever it was, it was actually
wild because in like 10 hours, 

1176
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:43,040
like I've never posted something
that got more than like 200 

1177
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:44,800
views. 
And then like a couple hours it 

1178
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:49,440
was over 100,000 views and like 
thousands of comments and stuff 

1179
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:51,840
and they're like, Nope, like oh 
OK, whatever. 

1180
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:54,480
So I just let whoever was doing 
the other time just go within. 

1181
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:58,080
And then it got really 
interesting looking at the 

1182
01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:01,640
comments. 
Some people just they, they, you

1183
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:02,920
know what? 
They live. 

1184
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:05,000
Their own life in their mom's 
basement and don't know what 

1185
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:06,400
else to do and. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1186
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:09,120
And that learned for me, 
honestly, I, I, I use that as a 

1187
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:10,800
learning moment. 
You know, not everyone 

1188
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:13,960
understands where I come from 
and what I do. 

1189
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:16,600
You know, one of the biggest 
ones, like, you know, you're in 

1190
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:20,720
their territory, their house. 
That's like, I get it. 

1191
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:23,040
But that's their own story. 
They can say say it all they 

1192
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:24,320
want, that's fine. 
It's not me. 

1193
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:25,560
It's not what happened. 
You can believe that. 

1194
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:28,160
Whatever. 
I pay attention to the ones that

1195
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:30,160
actually. 
Have a clue? 

1196
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:35,560
Well, have a clue and and 
appreciated what happened. 

1197
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:38,720
I mean, obviously, like this is 
a sad scenario, but can 

1198
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:44,880
appreciate how we reacted and 
what can come out of this. 

1199
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:49,200
And like what came out of this 
is what I'm doing now. 

1200
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:52,560
That's that's preventing 
situations like this from 

1201
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:54,640
happening. 
Had you posted just a, you know,

1202
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:57,280
normal video of you hiking along
and nothing happened, that same 

1203
01:02:57,280 --> 01:02:59,040
person probably would have been 
like, wow, what a beautiful 

1204
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:00,440
hike. 
I'd love to go on that someday. 

1205
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:04,880
Oh, yeah, actually I did. 
I did post something that I got 

1206
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:09,440
interviewed again this last 
summer by Alaska News Source 

1207
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:12,040
again because they kind of call 
me up every so often because I 

1208
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:15,360
don't know, I guess I, I've got 
personality that they like to 

1209
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:16,440
hear and I'm just always 
chipper. 

1210
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:18,880
And when people get mauled, 
they're like, let's get someone 

1211
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:20,160
that got mauled and it's kind of
happy. 

1212
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:23,400
You know, it's really kind of, 
you know how to get on there. 

1213
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:27,240
And like 2 days before they call
me for this interview, I went 

1214
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:30,920
and hiked this. 
Like it definitely did not stop.

1215
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:33,320
This whole scenario never 
stopped, will never stop me from

1216
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:34,560
going back out there to do what 
I love. 

1217
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:35,520
I. 
Was going to ask you that, have 

1218
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:37,120
you been out to? 
Yeah, I've. 

1219
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:39,880
That area again. 
No, I haven't been out there 

1220
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:45,920
that one I, I don't really have 
a desire to go revisit at this 

1221
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:50,400
moment, but I went up this 
mountain called Slaughter Ridge.

1222
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:54,160
Beautiful hike on the Kenai. 
Kind of weird how to get to him,

1223
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:55,840
but if you know how to get to 
it, it's awesome. 

1224
01:03:56,400 --> 01:04:02,160
And I was hiking back down and I
had gummy bears in my backpack. 

1225
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:03,600
For some reason. 
I had gummy bears. 

1226
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:05,040
I don't even know why I had 
gummy bears. 

1227
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:07,040
I did have them. 
Gummy bears are great when 

1228
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:09,640
you're hiking. 
I didn't realize how great they 

1229
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:11,000
were. 
They're so good. 

1230
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:13,280
And I so I pull them out and I 
end up going through this like 

1231
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:18,120
kind of hemlock tree area, like 
hemlocks, like they kind of look

1232
01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:20,720
like they're whimsical and just 
they grow in higher altitude. 

1233
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:23,200
And I was like, you know, how 
funny would it? 

1234
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:26,480
Because everyone knows me, I got
attacked by a bear if I posted a

1235
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:29,160
video of me seeing like, oh, 
there's bears. 

1236
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:34,280
And so I set up the gummy bears 
on the this branch and I'm like,

1237
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:36,720
oh, there's some bears over 
there. 

1238
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:39,160
I'm going to turn towards like 
some gummy bears. 

1239
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:41,000
And so they actually put that on
the news. 

1240
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:44,120
It's hilarious. 
But yeah, so I go hiking and 

1241
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:46,160
I'm, I'm still pretty light 
hearted about it. 

1242
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:49,520
So yeah, hiking, hiking is 
always going to be part of my 

1243
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:52,400
life. 
Well, didn't you want to tell me

1244
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:55,320
about some deterrent that you're
working on? 

1245
01:04:56,360 --> 01:05:01,120
Yeah, so since this whole 
situation happened, like I said,

1246
01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:10,120
I got real curious about just 
bears in general and how how did

1247
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:11,800
other people, what was their 
experiences? 

1248
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:15,080
Because I know this is rare, but
it's obviously it's happened in 

1249
01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:19,760
the past. 
And I, I found a kind of a 

1250
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:23,080
through line of something that's
like it's written on the wall 

1251
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:25,400
that it's like, it's never 
really talked about. 

1252
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:29,440
Like we, when these attacks 
happened, typically you surprise

1253
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:31,000
them. 
I mean, maybe they just talked 

1254
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:33,360
about it a little bit, but 
that's, if there's, you have 

1255
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:35,760
bear bells, right? 
You wear bear bells and they're 

1256
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:37,960
like, that's supposed to alert 
the bear of your presence. 

1257
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:41,720
Then you have your typical, you 
know, your bear spray and your 

1258
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:46,840
gun and you yell, right? 
So what I found out doing 

1259
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:49,640
research on these attacks is a 
lot of these people, they have 

1260
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:51,640
their guns, they have their bear
spray. 

1261
01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:55,120
They might have been making 
noise, but they surprise an 

1262
01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:59,640
animal and when you surprise an 
animal, they react and you have 

1263
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:03,040
fight, flight or freeze. 
And you also have fight, flight 

1264
01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:04,880
or freeze. 
And when you surprise an animal 

1265
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:08,800
that automatically ensues that 
you are in close quarters with 

1266
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:11,440
this animal and you have little 
to no time to react. 

1267
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:18,160
And so I just got curious like, 
how do, how do I like kind of 

1268
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:19,200
harness this? 
Like what? 

1269
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:21,000
Like what is this? 
Like, what is this surprise? 

1270
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:23,040
Like our presence isn't known to
nature. 

1271
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:25,280
Like we're going out knowing 
we're in nature, but nature 

1272
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:26,880
doesn't know we're out there, 
right? 

1273
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:31,640
We're going out to their thing. 
So I have dogs and I started 

1274
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:35,360
thinking like how how deep can 
bears hear? 

1275
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:40,520
Like what's their hearing right?
And because my, my aligned, like

1276
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:43,240
my purpose in life after this 
whole thing is I, I've always 

1277
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:44,400
loved bringing people out 
hiking. 

1278
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:47,280
It's like, I love it. 
I love bringing and make and 

1279
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:49,440
make them feel safe and they are
safe. 

1280
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:52,400
And that's just been my, my 
passion life. 

1281
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:58,680
And then this kind of just jump 
started this whole idea of like,

1282
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:01,080
I'm going to go back to it. 
I have dogs. 

1283
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:02,800
I was like, how well can bears 
hear? 

1284
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:07,800
Can they hear as well as dogs? 
And so I bought this, they have 

1285
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:13,440
these dog barking things that 
use ultrasonic frequencies and, 

1286
01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:14,880
you know, like dog whistles, 
right? 

1287
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:16,520
Always thought that was 
fascinating. 

1288
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:18,720
Like the dog can hear like how 
they're reacting to something 

1289
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:20,720
you can't hear, like that's 
weird. 

1290
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:23,520
So I wanted to test that out. 
So I went and bought one of 

1291
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:26,320
these things and I tested on my 
dog because they bark a lot like

1292
01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:30,080
stop that, you know, so it 
worked out, but I also wanted to

1293
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:34,480
test it all on bears. 
And I had a couple chances with 

1294
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:38,800
a controlled setting with bears.
And also when I drove up from 

1295
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:42,840
Alaska to, or drove from 
Minnesota to Alaska, my grandpa,

1296
01:07:43,240 --> 01:07:46,200
I ran into a few bears on the 
side of the road and I wanted to

1297
01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:51,120
see their reaction. 
And I just research on to how 

1298
01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:55,600
well bears can hear. 
There's not a lot on there's not

1299
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:59,360
like, like besides, there's a, 
there's one that was done up in 

1300
01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:01,440
North Slope for polar bears. 
Now, polar bears a little bit 

1301
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:05,240
more curious and more 
predatorial by nature, but they 

1302
01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:08,600
could hear ultrasonic 
frequencies, OK. 

1303
01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:12,200
And a lot of the research, you 
know, they're like, it only goes

1304
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:14,000
up to so far. 
And I was like, I want to test 

1305
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:19,000
this theory and see how I can 
harness this, this thing that 

1306
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:22,080
that we haven't really utilized 
before. 

1307
01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:27,520
I mean, it's we utilize it for 
insects, we utilize it for, I 

1308
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:29,120
guess, disrupting 
communications. 

1309
01:08:29,359 --> 01:08:33,120
We utilize it for making your 
home dog stop barking or your 

1310
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:35,720
neighbour's dog barking. 
I was like, how can I use this? 

1311
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:38,800
So my, I don't know why I've 
been testing this. 

1312
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:42,439
I want to see their reactions 
and see if they can hear it, see

1313
01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:49,200
what they do and come find out. 
When I would use this device, it

1314
01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:52,359
would they, they would pick 
their head up, start sniffing 

1315
01:08:52,359 --> 01:08:53,359
around. 
Like what is that? 

1316
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:56,439
One of them literally ran away. 
Like I spanked it in the butt of

1317
01:08:56,439 --> 01:08:57,720
a rubber bullet. 
I was like, well, that was an 

1318
01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:01,279
interesting reaction, but none 
of it was aggressive and it was 

1319
01:09:01,279 --> 01:09:04,319
just alerted it. 
And if you're if you're 

1320
01:09:04,319 --> 01:09:07,800
outdoorsman, which you know you,
you learn if you've been in bear

1321
01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:12,560
country, they don't, they 
typically don't want to see you 

1322
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:15,359
either. 
You yourself is the deterrent, 

1323
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:17,760
right? 
You make noise, they lead. 

1324
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:20,800
So this a little bit of an 
educational things like it. 

1325
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:24,479
We are the deterrent. 
My device I'm developing uses 

1326
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:28,279
ultrasonic frequencies to make 
your presence known to the wild 

1327
01:09:28,279 --> 01:09:33,279
before it escalates to the point
of using bear spray or your 

1328
01:09:33,279 --> 01:09:34,840
firearm. 
Those are very good tools. 

1329
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:36,800
Those are useful tools. 
They can save lives. 

1330
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:38,479
And I'm definitely not saying 
don't bring those. 

1331
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:41,600
This is a preventative, you 
know, and there's so many 

1332
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:45,439
different avenues like, you 
know, if you alert the bear of 

1333
01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:49,200
your presence and the bear is 
curious, well, now you have time

1334
01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:54,640
to have these reactive tools. 
But if you are surprising a bear

1335
01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:57,200
in a close quarters, now those 
tools are a little bit harder to

1336
01:09:57,200 --> 01:09:58,000
use. 
For sure. 

1337
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:01,240
I think every person I've talked
to that's been mauled by a 

1338
01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:06,800
grizzly, and I've talked to 
several, I'm, I can't think of 

1339
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:09,760
one that didn't surprise the 
bear. 

1340
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:13,120
Every one of them was they and 
most of them were hunting. 

1341
01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:16,480
Yeah, very, very few were just 
hiking. 

1342
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:19,800
Right. 
And I mean all these, you know, 

1343
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:22,600
bear attacks in general, fairly 
rare, right? 

1344
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:25,960
But that doesn't mean it can't 
happen to you. 

1345
01:10:26,480 --> 01:10:32,040
And, you know, in a lot of 
people, I, I have friends back 

1346
01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:34,680
home that don't want to go 
hiking because they're afraid of

1347
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:37,600
bears. 
And that just honestly, it's, 

1348
01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:41,360
that's sad to me because that's 
an experience I wish they can 

1349
01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:44,520
have. 
And I, I'd always say go with a 

1350
01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:47,480
partner like so I usually go 
with them, but you know, if you 

1351
01:10:47,480 --> 01:10:51,320
have this device, So I actually,
I'm going to say this, when 

1352
01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:56,240
you're out hiking, your presence
only goes about 20 feet. 

1353
01:10:56,760 --> 01:11:00,080
If you're just walking right, 
you don't want to walk on a bear

1354
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:01,560
about 20 feet. 
Trust me, sucks. 

1355
01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:05,760
You know, So my device you would
have, and I'm going to do more 

1356
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:10,080
testings going to be verified by
guides, game wardens, just, I 

1357
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:11,520
have all of them lined up to 
test it. 

1358
01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:15,280
At this point, I'm in the 
development of the prototype. 

1359
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:17,840
After I've done all the testing 
and verified that I know this 

1360
01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:23,320
works, I'm getting into the 
right hands and that device is 

1361
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:30,840
now going to widen your presence
to the nature by I but I want it

1362
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:34,480
is about 50 yards just big, you 
know out there. 

1363
01:11:34,480 --> 01:11:37,200
So you get that gives it. 
I probably go even further 

1364
01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:40,320
because you know what they have 
amazing hearing just because we 

1365
01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:42,480
can barely hear it at 50 yards. 
You know them, they could 

1366
01:11:42,480 --> 01:11:45,080
probably definitely hear it at 
50 yards and even further. 

1367
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:49,880
So it's, it's exciting to say 
the least. 

1368
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:51,200
And yeah. 
I think it's cool. 

1369
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:56,280
Nothing I've heard anything like
that because, you know, what do 

1370
01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:57,880
you, what do you have? 
Like the bear bells, which I 

1371
01:11:57,880 --> 01:11:59,960
don't even know if those really 
work at all. 

1372
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:02,240
You know, you got dogs that you 
can bring with you. 

1373
01:12:02,240 --> 01:12:05,560
But I've heard dogs are even 
also a problem for bears because

1374
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:07,560
they just bring them back. 
Yeah, they bring the dog, they 

1375
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:09,560
bring the bear back or the dog 
can startle the bear. 

1376
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:12,400
Now the bear is getting 
aggressive and it's a problem. 

1377
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:15,440
And then you get, you know, bear
spray and, and a firearm. 

1378
01:12:15,440 --> 01:12:17,080
And a lot of people are afraid 
of firearms. 

1379
01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:18,840
They don't want to take a 
firearm with them, but. 

1380
01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:21,640
I mean, you can shoot yourself. 
Yeah, you can shoot yourself, 

1381
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:23,720
you know. 
So I think this is a pretty 

1382
01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:28,920
interesting idea. 
Yeah, and I just recently I like

1383
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:31,080
I said, I think I talked to you 
on the I didn't talk to you on 

1384
01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:33,360
the phone or yeah, I did. 
And I told you I stopped talking

1385
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:36,920
about the bear attack a little 
bit because it was it was like 1

1386
01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:39,960
podcaster called it shock 
jocking and you know, like I'll 

1387
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:42,920
hold for like shock and value. 
Like it just felt like I was 

1388
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:45,760
just giving away my story to 
shock people. 

1389
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:48,240
And I'm, I just like, this is 
like my story and I felt like I 

1390
01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:54,720
was losing the value to myself. 
And after I just came up with 

1391
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:57,200
this ideas like, OK, I'm, I'm 
ready to start talking about 

1392
01:12:57,200 --> 01:12:59,840
this again because there's a 
purpose behind this. 

1393
01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:04,920
I like, I don't want this whole 
situation to have me go without 

1394
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:11,480
some type of positive influence 
and that, that just, it's such 

1395
01:13:11,480 --> 01:13:16,440
an alignment with my purpose. 
And I want, I want people to, to

1396
01:13:16,440 --> 01:13:18,680
join me on this. 
I, I want this to be out there 

1397
01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:23,600
for people because when humans 
and animals enter into his an 

1398
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:29,800
area of surprise that typically 
it's a, a reaction and that's 

1399
01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:31,920
aggressive. 
And when that happens with us, 

1400
01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:35,520
there's typically a loser. 
And I want that to be reduced. 

1401
01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:41,840
So when I do my research about 
80% of bear attacks, you know, 

1402
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:44,120
you have your ones that you 
don't know because they don't 

1403
01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:47,760
come back right to give evidence
of what happened. 

1404
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:50,440
Then you have your small 
percentage of things like 10 

1405
01:13:50,440 --> 01:13:52,000
that actually turns into be 
predatorial. 

1406
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:54,000
And I typically those are black 
bears. 

1407
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:57,760
I don't know they stalk you 
after you find them by 80%. 

1408
01:13:58,120 --> 01:14:01,520
That's a surprise encounter. 
And if I can reduce just a bit 

1409
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:04,440
of that, you know, let's say you
go out there, like maybe I stop 

1410
01:14:04,440 --> 01:14:06,960
a bear from bawling you, you 
know, it's unlikely. 

1411
01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:08,320
I appreciate that. 
Thank you. 

1412
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:12,720
I got you. 
Here, take this device with you.

1413
01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:15,320
Thanks, Zelda. 
Here's a sword going. 

1414
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:17,160
Don't go out there. 
It's dangerous, You know. 

1415
01:14:17,200 --> 01:14:20,160
Here have my device. 
So I, I ask everybody this, what

1416
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:25,120
if, if you could have gone back 
in time and pulled this out of 

1417
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:27,200
your life from ever happening? 
Like if you could have just been

1418
01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:29,640
like, that never should have 
happened. 

1419
01:14:29,640 --> 01:14:30,840
I wish it never would have 
happened. 

1420
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:32,840
Would you take it out of your 
life? 

1421
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:44,560
That's a yes and kind of thing 
for me, a yes and no like I no 

1422
01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:50,680
because of this experience now 
has the potential to change how 

1423
01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:53,960
we have prevent these things 
from happening. 

1424
01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:59,120
But yes, I do wish that this and
happened for the sake of just 

1425
01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:04,800
that animal because again, I 
wasn't hunting her right now, if

1426
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:06,120
I was hunting her, that's a 
different story. 

1427
01:15:06,480 --> 01:15:09,320
But I was not. 
And it's just unfortunate 

1428
01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:13,000
because because of what 
happened, there's three Cubs 

1429
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:15,640
that probably didn't make it 
right. 

1430
01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:17,800
So that's just an action. 
That's something that happened. 

1431
01:15:17,800 --> 01:15:21,840
But it's it's to me that's 
that's it's a double sided 

1432
01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:25,200
thing. 
Like, yeah, it happened, it 

1433
01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:27,360
happened. 
And So what do you want to do 

1434
01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:29,520
about it? 
And I want to do something about

1435
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:34,840
that. 
And well, without this, this is 

1436
01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:37,920
probably I, I don't know, maybe 
someone would have thought about

1437
01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:41,840
this, but I'm doing that now and
I I want to take that away. 

1438
01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:44,280
Yeah, it's an interesting 
answer. 

1439
01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:47,440
I, of course, I'm thinking back 
on a lot of the other people 

1440
01:15:47,440 --> 01:15:52,800
that I've asked, and in their 
situations, the bear survived 

1441
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:56,880
because it ran off or got out of
there somehow or for whatever 

1442
01:15:56,880 --> 01:15:59,280
reason. 
So yeah, that's an interesting 

1443
01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:01,360
answer. 
That's really cool, man. 

1444
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:03,600
Your story's incredible. 
I think you're pretty awesome. 

1445
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:06,160
And to be able to go through 
something like this and come out

1446
01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:08,920
on the other side and be able to
tell your story is it was a 

1447
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:10,880
miracle. 
And plus, that video was pretty 

1448
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:13,960
awesome. 
When I saw it, I was like, wow. 

1449
01:16:14,440 --> 01:16:18,040
So yeah. 
Anything else you want to talk 

1450
01:16:18,040 --> 01:16:20,400
about, you want to share? 
I mean, how long do we have? 

1451
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:22,600
I do. 
I got stories and stories bro. 

1452
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:23,800
We. 
Don't have that long. 

1453
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:34,600
Yeah, I man, it's again, this I 
moved to Austin, but you know, 

1454
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:37,360
that's, that's a temporary thing
that was for experiencing 

1455
01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:41,840
because I'm an adventurer, but 
the Kenai River that's going 

1456
01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:45,040
through my veins, man, I I'm 
always going to go back. 

1457
01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:49,760
That's just. 
With a trauma kit, right? 

1458
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:53,080
With a trauma kit with sound 
barrier, by the way, that's the 

1459
01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:55,200
name of the device sound 
barrier. 

1460
01:16:55,200 --> 01:16:59,720
Anyways, play on words with 
clever I know and you know, with

1461
01:16:59,720 --> 01:17:06,640
friends, with people that want 
to experience the life I can 

1462
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:07,920
offer and that's bringing them 
out to the wild day. 

1463
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:13,160
I I want to be like my ultimate 
goal is to be a guide, not a not

1464
01:17:13,240 --> 01:17:17,160
a hunting guide like I so like I
I haunted and passed. 

1465
01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:18,720
I love hunting. 
It doesn't mean I'm not going to

1466
01:17:18,720 --> 01:17:20,240
go hunting again. 
I love the adventure. 

1467
01:17:20,240 --> 01:17:23,880
I love eating meat. 
It's great, especially one that 

1468
01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:28,360
I harvest myself. 
But I want to bring people onto 

1469
01:17:28,360 --> 01:17:33,960
the wild and hopefully down the 
road here in a small amount of 

1470
01:17:33,960 --> 01:17:38,360
time, I will get that 
opportunity to bring people to 

1471
01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:42,240
these places across Tuscany, up 
in the glaciers that almost no 

1472
01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:44,440
one knows where it's at except 
for, you know, if you know where

1473
01:17:44,440 --> 01:17:46,680
the trails. 
And it's just to have people 

1474
01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:54,360
experience life changing views 
and go like, I mean, obviously 

1475
01:17:54,360 --> 01:17:57,400
the hike is not easy and it just
has its own purpose. 

1476
01:17:57,400 --> 01:17:59,280
And I want to share that. 
I didn't know that's how I got 

1477
01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:01,280
into really got into this 
outdoor stuff. 

1478
01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:04,400
Is it because my father and my 
grandpa, you know, I did my rite

1479
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:07,480
of passage with them when I was 
13 years old, they would go on 

1480
01:18:07,480 --> 01:18:09,320
this hunt every year, cross 
Tustamina. 

1481
01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:12,160
It is insane. 
Like just going to cross 

1482
01:18:12,160 --> 01:18:15,000
Tustamina itself. 
There's a glacier and 

1483
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:16,920
everything. 
Like you get 5 foot, 6 foot 

1484
01:18:16,920 --> 01:18:18,520
swell sometimes. 
Like everyone's going out there.

1485
01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:22,280
Like someone dies there pretty 
off, not pretty often. 

1486
01:18:22,280 --> 01:18:26,080
I'm a it's a deadly lake, right?
But even when you get to the 

1487
01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:30,800
other side, you park your boat 
where salmon spawn. 

1488
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:34,480
So the first thing you're doing 
is you're literally walking 

1489
01:18:34,480 --> 01:18:38,960
through a mile of grass that's 
head high where a fish is just 

1490
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:40,520
flopping around with those 
brains hanging out because 

1491
01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:43,320
there's there's a bear that just
ran away where you were at. 

1492
01:18:43,320 --> 01:18:46,000
It's always, and then it's just 
the most awesome experience and 

1493
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:48,600
I want to bring people out there
and I want to do it safely. 

1494
01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:50,480
So I'd be using my device to do 
that. 

1495
01:18:50,480 --> 01:18:57,000
And yeah, shout out, you know, 
if anyone is aligned to what I'm

1496
01:18:57,240 --> 01:19:02,600
trying to bring to the world. 
I'm looking for partnerships in 

1497
01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:08,720
this and investors to help me 
get to the next stage because 

1498
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:11,840
this is something that I can try
to do a loan but it would take 

1499
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:16,360
longer to do. 
And I, I just want to surround 

1500
01:19:16,360 --> 01:19:21,120
myself with people that are like
minded and have the same passion

1501
01:19:21,440 --> 01:19:28,080
and just want to enjoy the wild 
nature and do it safely and you 

1502
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:29,680
know, save a life or two along 
the way. 

1503
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:32,680
That's cool man, Awesome. 
I appreciate you being here. 

1504
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:34,160
Yeah, me too. 
I love it. 

1505
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:37,440
Thanks. 
This is awesome. 

1506
01:19:39,480 --> 01:19:39,880
Peace out.