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The following is my in studio 
interview with competitive 

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cyclist Carrie, Erica and Tish 
who were riding in the mountains

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of Washington State when 2 
Cougars left out of the woods. 

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What I saw is a flash of 
movement on my right side. 

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I turned my head and I saw the 
face of a cougar. 

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One of the Cougars tackled 
Carrie off of her bike. 

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With her face in its jaws, it 
held her to the ground. 

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Are you with the person that was
attacked? 

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Yeah. 
Where's the cougar at? 

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It's on top of her and they're 
killing it. 

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The rest fought with the cougar 
for over 45 gruelling minutes 

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and you won't believe how they 
survived. 

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Kill. 
It pull up not somebody went to.

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Rock. 
Your discretion is advised. 

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So take me back to the 
beginning. 

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What happened? 
Where were you at? 

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What were you doing? 
Yeah. 

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Tish called the ride together, 
so she should start it. 

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I will. 
OK, so this is really 

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interesting. 
So I live in North Bend, WA 

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which is about 31 miles east of 
Seattle and I love having people

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over and visiting. 
So I had a dear friend of mine 

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that was going to come visit and
like my friend Rick was out like

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a year earlier. 
And we go on the Magic carpet 

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ride, which is in Campbell 
Global, which is a tree farm. 

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So knowing my friend was coming,
I put we are part of the 

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recycled cycles cycling team out
of Seattle. 

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And so we had just went to like 
that Sunday evening, like let's 

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get more involved, let's get 
more people doing things what we

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need to do. 
So I put an e-mail out that we 

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were going to do a magic carpet 
ride. 

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Easy addition, right? 
And let's meet at my house. 

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Everybody welcome and we're 
going to do magic carpet. 

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So I just put it out there on 
the the the e-mail and you know,

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I'm going to stop from there. 
And then once you know, I can't 

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so then I can talk about when 
when you got there. 

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So, you know, how did you find 
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Well, I was the This was my 
first ride with Recycled Cycles 

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after I rejoined the team. 
I was off the team for a year 

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because I was too busy with my 
board duties. 

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I was on the board of PAWS and 
so I rejoined the team and this 

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was my first ride back and my 
first time meeting. 

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Tish when we met at her house to
do the ride and my second. 

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You, you didn't know each other 
before this day. 

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I never did. 
I never knew Tish before this 

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day and it was my second ride 
with Carrie. 

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Wow, so you obviously are lifers
at this point. 

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. 
So they all come to my house. 

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They get to my house and, you 
know, blustery weather. 

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Oh, it was crazy when, like in 
North Bend, we're in this this 

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wind tunnel, unlike the I5 Core 
or the I-90 corridor, that I'm 

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at the foothills of the Cascade 
Mountains. 

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But as we got out there, the sun
came out and it was beautiful. 

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We took it was gorgeous and you 
were having fun and talking 

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about what a beautiful day it 
was. 

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And you know, just five girls, 
you know, it was kind of usually

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there's a guy or two that comes 
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this time it was just us 5 girls
and it was just amazing. 

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A beautiful day. 
Every time we go over there I 

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always reminisce because like 2 
years earlier I'd broke my hip. 

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In the same. 
The same area. 

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Was it the same magic carpet? 
No, that was the. 

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Pelvis. 
I broke my pelvis. 

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We've had some adventures out 
there, but this tree farm is not

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a little tree farm. 
It's miles. 

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Miles and hundreds of acres. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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So we get out there and and then
we get, you know, through the 

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roads talking, you know, 
etcetera. 

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And then there's one picture 
that's been all over the the 

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media that we're at the yellow 
gate and our legs are all up and

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we're all like, hey. 
I've seen it. 

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Yeah, so. 
That was the last time we had a 

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bite to eat, too, before 
everything happened. 

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That was our last bite of food. 
Yeah, was like mile and we were 

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mile 10 and we all took a bite 
of our bars or whatever we had 

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and that was the how. 
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you guys was there. 
Just as 5. 

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But there wasn't other teams or 
anything else. 

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Or not yet, not yet, not yet. 
It's pretty remote. 

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There's no people out there. 
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we did, you know, later in the 
story when we had people come, 

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you know. 
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you go out for adventure and 
like we're talking about magic 

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carpet, but we're talking 
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of this tree farm. 
So you trails, Tokol is out 

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there, mountain bikers. 
So I mean, you rarely run into 

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anybody. 
It's in the Snoqualmie Forest. 

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It's part of the Snoqualmie 
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Area. 
Yeah, so we're talking and it 

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was. 
I was going to make up some 

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pictures and maybe we can send 
to you later. 

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But, you know, I believe that 
you and Annie took him. 

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But, you know, we have to cross 
over rivers, you know, like the 

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magic carpet part. 
And we're like piling through 

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trees and shrubs and, you know, 
bushwhacking, trying to with our

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bikes and moving through these 
areas. 

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I'd biked with Annie and Onna 
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previously, and I had just 
bought that new gravel bike for 

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Christmas as a Christmas present
to myself. 

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Oh. 
Wow. 

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Yeah. 
So this is my. 

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This was this was like. 
It was beautiful, shiny. 

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But it OK, we'll get to that 
part. 

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But it was your bike, right? 
OK, OK. 

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Yeah, it was, it was beautiful. 
I mean, just and there was other

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times we stopped and we had some
other pictures along the way. 

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And, you know, I had individual 
conversations with you, you 

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know, about some personal 
matters and, and getting to know

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you. 
And you know, I don't know if I 

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can say this, but you know, I 
just celebrated 11 years of 

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sobriety in February of. 
Course, you could say that. 

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What? 
Yeah. 

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And you know, I, I, the 12th 
step is always carrying the 

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message forward. 
And I know that I was having 

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conversations about 10 years. 
We were talking about it because

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I was on a break from drinking 
and then I mean, I went back for

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a little while after the cougar 
attack, but I just, I just had 

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my one year of not drinking so. 
Wow. 

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Yeah, congratulations. 
You guys. 

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That's amazing. 
So yeah, and I, I drink heavily,

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but I had stopped. 
She does not drink well. 

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I didn't stop drinking. 
Does not. 

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I've found it way back, like 
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What was it like 11 miles or 20 
miles in or something? 

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Well, 19 is what I think. 19 
miles, yeah. 

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Yeah, and we're going at about 
10 miles an hour. 

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So we have we can track all of 
our the timeline because we have

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devices, you know two of us had 
in reaches. 

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And my Garmin. 
We all had a Garmin and Oahu and

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you know, and so there's 
timelines that we can really 

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track. 
And we were going at about, I 

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looked, we were going at about 
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we had just turned a corner and 
we're kind of going up a Rd. and

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Erica and Tish were here. 
I was right behind them, kind of

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in the middle, but maybe more 
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And then Anna and Annie were 
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it was. 
I don't know. 

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I don't know. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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Yeah, I'm not good with spatial 
relationships like how many 

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yards and things like. 
That well, they say when you go 

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through something like this, 
everything slows down. 

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Did that happen? 
For you, yes. 

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Oh yeah, yeah. 
Oh, big time. 

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Yeah, so I, Elna and Annie were 
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because they got the whole 
picture from behind. 

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And we'll speak for them because
they're not here. 

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But they both saw two Cougars 
jumping behind me. 

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And Annie says that one turned 
and tackled me off my bike. 

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That's what they saw from 
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What I saw is a flash of 
movement on my right side. 

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I turned my head and I saw the 
face of a cougar. 

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I didn't see anything else, just
a face. 

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And then I have a little block 
of time that I don't remember 

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anything. 
The next thing I was on the 

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ground pinned, You can kind of 
see the hole in my head right 

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here with the top Fang. 
And then the other fangs were 

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down here and I was pinned down 
in a fetal position. 

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That's my next memory. 
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these guys saw that I, I don't 
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had, you know, a lot of 
scratches and bite Marks and 

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that, and my ears were, which I 
don't remember any of this, 

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which had to happen when they 
saw it. 

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So yeah, so obviously Annie and 
Anna, which are part of our 

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group and are here 
unfortunately, but so all I 

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heard was an Annie just go, no. 
So Eric and I are up there and 

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I'm going to let you speak for 
yourself. 

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But so I turned around and like 
we said, we're going to cry. 

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So I saw Carrie like a rag doll 
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This thing like got her and like
they came from we were riding 

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that way. 
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they were going to go up this 
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second one, and I don't that's 
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But what I saw was that thing 
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ground, that like was was 
dragging her back that way. 

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And then, you know, I'll let you
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sections, because it's even 
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there's different like you're 
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synergistically beautifully 
working together to save lives. 

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There's just so many things that
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And I heard it before I saw 
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I heard. 
I heard the no. 

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And I heard screaming. 
I heard Ona screaming Cougars. 

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I thought that's what she was 
screaming. 

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It turned out that that was. 
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with what is going on, what your
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This can't be happening. 
This is like, it just can't be 

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happening. 
And there must be something 

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else. 
I didn't know who was being 

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attacked, what was going on. 
You know, I just heard Ona 

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screaming. 
I turned. 

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I looked at Tish and we were 
looking at each other and it 

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felt like that time period was 
so long, But the way Carrie's 

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told it to us, we were like 
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Like, But it felt like that was 
a really long time. 

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And it felt like it was taking 
forever for me to get on 911. 

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And it felt like it was taking 
forever for me to get service 

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because I was pacing back and 
forth trying to get service 

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because I had nothing until I 
crossed over to where the attack

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scene was, went over there, and 
then I was still pacing. 

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I'm going. 
We get them. 

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Was attacked by a cougar 
whenever he made. 

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Hold on. 
I'm the Campbell Global board. 

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Hold on. 
Where are you at? 

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Where are we? 
Where did Campbell go? 

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You're where? 
I don't know what to do. 

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OK. 
Where did you? 

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Are you. 
You're hiking on a trail. 

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Where did you park at? 
We're biking. 

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We're biking. 
I don't know where we're at. 

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OK, hold on. 
Just a second. 

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I'm going to try to find your 
location. 

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OK. 
Just one second here. 

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Are you with the person that was
attacked? 

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Yeah. 
It's. 

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Where's the cougar at? 
It's on top of her. 

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They're killing it. 
Who's they're killing with the 

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stone hold? 
Who's killing it? 

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The other people. 
My teeth. 

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There's and one got attacked. 
I'm sorry, what? 

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There's four of us and one got 
attacked. 

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I your phone keeps breaking up. 
So I can't quite understand. 

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I know I don't have any service.
I don't know where to go. 

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From what I could see, like Tish
was gathering weapons and over 

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there and then then I saw once I
got there what was happening and

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there was there was a battle. 
It was a battle. 

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Eric and I at this point are 
stopped or looking each other 

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and I don't know if we said it, 
if it was emotional, but like I 

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just wanted to run. 
All of a sudden I'm just 

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staring. 
That's the rag doll part. 

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And I honest just start 
screaming because you know, you 

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were told make yourself big, 
start screaming. 

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So we're over there going, you 
know, just, you know, trying to 

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do anything. 
I think you're at this point 

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trying to do 911 and and I was 
like grab a stick rock and I 

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don't remember anything about my
bike, but somehow my bike was 

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over there. 
So I turned around and I go in 

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the woods and on the side I 
found this big rock and then 

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this big long stick that was 
about that thing. 

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That rock was huge. 
So I carry over this rock and 

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this stick and by the time I had
did that got over there, Aunda 

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has like the legs filleted this 
way away from Carrie. 

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And then I got this, I got this.
Annie had the head and her arms.

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So when I walked over there, it 
was just like this perfect 

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fillet of the animal. 
So all I could think of was that

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big rock, like doing burpees. 
And that's where I was like, die

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emmer Effer, right? 
Die emmer effer. 

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And it wasn't that tame, but I 
went like 20 or 30 times. 

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Just remember hitting like I'm 
from the medical field and I'm 

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like, you know, just being a 
code team. 

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I'm like, we just hit it and hit
it. 

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It'll release her. 
And I'm like, that's when I 

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think I probably when you guys 
really hurt and like die, you 

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know, I'm like. 
I'm holding it. 

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I'm holding the button holding 
the button. 

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And then I remember falling back
and I'm like, I got to get back 

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up. 
I got to keep fighting. 

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I just remember sweating so hard
and just keep hitting it over 

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and over and trying to stick it 
and stab it. 

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Yeah. 
I I heard all of them. 

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I heard them all talking. 
I, I could, I couldn't see them 

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because they're all behind me on
the, the cougar was behind me. 

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I could see Annie. 
She was the only one in the 

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front. 
And yeah, I, I don't know if it 

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was Tish or Anna that at one 
point were saying I don't have 

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any more strength to lift the 
rock because it was a, it was a 

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boulder, you know, it was a big 
rock. 

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One of them said that. 
And then they just got the 

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strength back because that was 
like, that was my time in the 

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jaws was 15 minutes, 20 minutes 
maybe. 

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And they continued to fight for 
the full 55 minutes, you know, 

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but during my 15 minutes, I 
could hear everything that was 

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going on with these ladies and 
the fight that they were putting

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up, you know, and, and I just my
experience was when I was down 

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there, I was down there just 
pinned and I was sticking my 

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fingers up his nose. 
Well, first I was trying to 

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gouge his eyeball out because I 
thought that's all I could 

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reach. 
That's the only way to defend 

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myself. 
But the skin on the eyeball was 

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like leather. 
And it's like I couldn't get in 

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there because I would have 
reached in and yanked it out of 

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there if I could have, you know?
But so then I tried to put my 

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fingers up his nose, thinking 
that if he took, you know, had 

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to release me a little bit and I
can get away, maybe that would 

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help. 
But then after about 10 minutes,

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2/3 of the way into my, my time 
frame, he started crushing down 

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on my face. 
And it felt like it was just 

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like disintegrating inside. 
And I felt my back teeth 

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floating around. 
You know, I thought that I, and 

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then I took a swallow and I 
swallowed just massive blood. 

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I felt like I was swallowing 
gallons of blood and I thought I

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was going to swallow my teeth 
with it. 

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My teeth didn't fall out, but it
felt like it. 

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I don't know what I was feeling.
And you know, so that the last 

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one third of my 15 minutes, I 
was he was crushing. 

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And I thought if he just shakes 
his head, you're going to RIP my

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whole freaking face off of my, 
my face. 

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And then I felt him like the 
only thing I felt was this 

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little scratch right here and 
this and all the other stuff, my

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ears. 
And I never felt any of that, 

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which is weird. 
But then he grabbed my earring 

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somehow and swallowed it. 
And I could feel it because it's

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it's got a clip on it, you know,
a real hard clip. 

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And it's like, Oh my gosh, 
they're going my freaking 

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earring. 
You know, these are the good 

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earrings. 
These are the. 

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Things that go. 
Yes, yeah. 

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And anyway, I rolled to my knees
because I thought if he gives me

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a little bit of a little break, 
I'm going to, like, spring. 

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And I couldn't spring at a fetal
position. 

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I had to, like, spring from my 
knees, you know, But when I did 

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that and he just, like, shove my
face into the dirt and I started

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suffocating. 
And I thought, OK, that's when I

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thought I was going to die. 
And I'm like, but they were 

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fighting so hard, you know, it's
like, I had to keep fighting 

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because they were fighting, you 
know? 

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And it's like then whatever 
somebody did, somebody did 

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something. 
Going back to the beginning when

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I saw the road and I was like, I
saw another Rd. that and that 

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was like an escape route when 
Tish and I were looking at each 

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other and I was like, Oh my God,
we need to get out of here. 

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And then I look back and I see 
all this stuff going on. 

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And this is before I start 
dialing 911 and I go over to the

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scene with my bike. 
But I'm thinking like I'm 

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terrified we're dead. 
Like I'm thinking as I'm going 

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into that like this is how I 
die. 

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Like we're we're dead. 
Like when they said 2 Cougars, 

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there's just no way we can. 
Where was the other cougar? 

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It ran up the embankment. 
Apparently it never came back. 

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Yeah, it never came back. 
But we were, we were eyeing it 

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the whole time, thinking it's 
going to come out, it's going to

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smell blood and it's going to 
come out and we're going to all 

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get eaten. 
Like this is it? 

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And so when I went over there 
and I'm trying, I'm pacing to 

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get service, I see them 
battling. 

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I just dropped my phone and my 
bike in the dirt next to me and 

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picked up a stick I think Tish 
handed me. 

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She was like, this is a good one
and just start stabbing, 

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stabbing the cougar. 
We're all just in battle and all

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we have is like sticks, rocks or
fists to punch. 

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Like that's all we have. 
We have nothing, you know, 

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except when Annie says. 
Yeah, but we're not. 

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I don't, I can't remember, but 
so at some point you're 

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battling, I'm doing rocks. 
At some point I wanna have said 

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grab the legs. 
So I took over the legs and then

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I remember Anna, whether she, 
there was another rock behind 

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her that was even bigger, like 
the size of a watermelon. 

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And I just remember, and I know 
some of this, you know, we, 

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we've talked about, we've done 
things. 

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So, but I just remember in my 
mind, what I remember is when 

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she was getting to lay the rock 
and this was another, I guess 

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there's 4 slow motions. 
And I remember her grabbing that

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rock to bring over to your head,
to the cougar's head. 

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And umm, she's like, I'm really 
sorry, Carrie. 

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She didn't want to hit me in the
head with the rock, yeah, But I 

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was like, Oh my God, just do it.
Who cares, you know? 

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And it was summer during that 
period of time that like all of 

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a sudden I you're rolling away. 
Yeah, I say I got. 

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Hey, whatever happened, anyone. 
Well. 

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Before that happened, remember 
Annie? 

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Said Erica. 
I've got a multi tool in my seat

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pack that's. 
It. 

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That's all we had and that's 
that's and it has a little knife

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on it. 
Fixing your bike. 

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Yeah. 
And so I grab it and I'm handing

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it and she and at the same time 
she's telling me push the button

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on the SOS. 
So I go push the button on the 

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SOS, go back, hand her the I 
thought I'd pushed it. 

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I didn't realize how that thing 
worked. 

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Yeah, you should show because 
it's. 

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I didn't realize it just says 
SOS you push the button. 

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I didn't realize you have to 
open this flap. 

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So at the time I thought I 
pushed it. 

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So meanwhile my phone's in the 
dirt, my bike's in the dirt. 

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I hand Annie the tool because my
hands are shaking like this and 

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she and everybody's hands are 
shaking and she grabs it and 

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she's like going to stab. 
But you know when you're going 

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to stab something, it's like and
we're all going do. 

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It do it do it. 
You know, and then she starts to

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do it and the thing just, it's 
like, it's like she's trying to 

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hit a rubber mat. 
It doesn't do anything. 

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So then we all take turns 
because we're like, well, I can,

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I can get in, I can do it. 
So then we're all taking turns 

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with the, the pocket knife and 
it's just like you're, it's like

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you're, you're hitting carpet 
with it. 

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It just doesn't do anything. 
It feels like it's not doing 

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anything, the hide is so thick. 
On the IT is rubber, like to 

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your point with the eye, 'cause 
you know, I used to be on a code

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team so I was trying in between 
the intercostal muscles. 

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So I was like filleting open 
like trying to get the this the 

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hair and the skin. 
But literally like you said, it 

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was like like just rubber and 
then you're doing it and it's 

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just like you're. 
We're all taking turns and it's 

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not and it's not working and 
yeah. 

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I I was also, I'm laying down 
there and I could speak. 

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I don't know how, but I, I also 
said kill the MF, you know? 

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Yeah, it's like we all wanted to
kill that freaking thing, you 

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know? 
I mean, because like, really I 

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was thinking if if I get away, 
it's going to flip around and 

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get one of them, you know, what 
else is it going to do? 

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And so the bike thing was 
brilliant. 

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That was just, I mean, the stuff
that happened in that 55 

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minutes. 
We were brilliant. 

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We were amazing. 
We were like reading each 

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other's minds, you know, I, I, I
think somehow you got away. 

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I'm reaching for my bike, I hear
Tish say. 

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Yes, let's put the bike on top 
of it. 

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It's like you see a bear, you do
anything, you put your bike up 

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and you hold your bike. 
I didn't personally touch the 

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bike up and you had to do all 
that. 

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But no. 
We all did it at the. 

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Same time, because if that bike,
if we got on top of it, to your 

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point earlier, if that thing 
gets up, it's going to kill one 

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of us. 
I grabbed it because I knew no 

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one is going to grab my brand 
new bike. 

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Like I started grabbing it and 
then we're right. 

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But everybody's like, 
everybody's like, yeah. 

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And so it was like before we 
knew it, we had the bike on top 

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of it and we're on top of it. 
And The thing is thrashing 

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beneath us and it's like we're 
on top of it and it's like 

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writing a surfboard because it's
moving around, but we at least 

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have something now over it. 
So So what? 

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OK I'm my mind is trying to wrap
itself around what the visual is

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here so it is off of you. 
So this all happened at the same

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time. 
I I like army crawled to the 

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middle of the road and then I 
sat there and I looked back at 

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them and they were then the bike
was on it. 

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So it happened all kind of it 
so. 

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It didn't have time to like, 
prowl around like. 

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We were acting so quickly. 
I mean, we were like all on a on

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a mind meld. 
A fluid machine. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
There was no arguments. 

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There was nothing. 
We were just. 

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It was just. 
Teamwork, yeah. 

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Yeah, that's what was amazing is
there was nobody screaming. 

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It wasn't calm. 
Well. 

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We'll get to that. 
We'll get to that. 

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And then it wasn't calm. 
But we. 

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Your mind probably wrapped 
itself around it later, I'm 

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sure. 
Right. 

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Nobody was hysterical. 
We were we were very methodical,

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everybody, whether or not it. 
Felt we didn't want. 

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Kerry to die. 
It was at that point it was like

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Carrie is one of the most 
beautiful aunts pouring kick ass

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women you would never ever, 
ever. 

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Ever meet? 
And it's like, and we I don't 

446
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,840
want her to be murdered and all 
of us out at the same thing was 

447
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:01,880
like, this is our woman. 
She says it away. 

448
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:03,760
I can't. 
She's German, so she has this 

449
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,000
beautiful sexy German accent. 
You can't. 

450
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:11,320
It's just this is our woman. 
But yeah, so she's over there. 

451
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,920
We got the bike now. 
So now, like at one point Amy 

452
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,240
tries to get up because like, 
she's over there and we could 

453
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,040
like, are you doing Carrie? 
And she's like these bloody 

454
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,920
thumbs up. 
But like, like, you can tell 

455
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,760
your story. 
Oh, no, I'm looking in my, I'm, 

456
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:26,720
I'm scrambling in my jersey 
pockets. 

457
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,560
I've got to have another weapon 
here somewhere. 

458
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,640
I'm, I'm scrambling. 
I'm like just trying to find 

459
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:38,400
something and I I pull out this 
pack of quick clot and and I 

460
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,400
remembered that I had put it in.
But you know what I'm like 

461
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,960
packing my pockets for the ride 
and I remembered. 

462
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:48,080
So all I did I just tossed. 
On the ground, nobody's with 

463
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,480
her. 
Well, Annie was between them and

464
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,000
me and she didn't know what to 
do. 

465
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,040
She was like they needed her. 
I needed her. 

466
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:57,960
And for anyone who doesn't know,
this is a military grade. 

467
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:05,280
You know, bandage for bloods for
stopping blood so that you don't

468
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,680
bleed out. 
And so that's that's all I had. 

469
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:12,280
And so she puts it on her and. 
She threw it at Annie. 

470
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,200
Annie doesn't know what it is. 
Annie just slaps it on my face. 

471
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,640
And. 
Then and then Annie went back to

472
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:23,200
help them and she has one of the
boulders at this point and I 

473
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:28,680
hear her saying I don't want to 
hit your bike, I don't want to. 

474
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,440
My bike. 
This is we're crazy. 

475
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:34,560
We're like, I'm still stabbing 
this thing. 

476
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,640
How's the bike now? 
And she kept apologizing. 

477
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,120
I'm sorry about your bike, 
Erica. 

478
00:25:38,120 --> 00:25:40,080
I'm sorry, because I'm sorry 
about your bike, Erica, I'm. 

479
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:44,320
Like thrashing the multi tool 
between this thing and then at 

480
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:48,600
one point, like as I'm like 
there's so many weird parts at 

481
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:49,760
this point because everything's 
happening. 

482
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:53,120
But I used to remember like the 
cougar's eye, like as I'm 

483
00:25:53,120 --> 00:25:56,320
killing it, you know, I'm trying
to kill it underneath the eye. 

484
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,560
Like if you think of the old, 
like Egyptians with all that 

485
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,440
like black, beautiful in that 
Gray brown eye. 

486
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,440
It was the one of the most 
beautiful exhibits of nature in 

487
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:10,160
that eye. 
And then it was like, I don't 

488
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:11,560
know. 
So there's, yeah, it was just, 

489
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,000
it was amazing. 
We're just, I couldn't look at 

490
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:14,920
it. 
But yeah, at one time, Annie 

491
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:16,800
like left. 
The first time that cougar 

492
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:18,840
literally left had to been like 
3 or 4 feet. 

493
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:20,480
Like Annie? 
Get back here. 

494
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,840
So this was a sizable cougar. 75
lbs. 

495
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,280
It was a juvenile male, 12 
months old. 

496
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,800
Yeah. 
And so the cougar, when it's 

497
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:34,080
full grown, a male is maybe 120,
a £150. 

498
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,440
A female full size is between 70
and 90 lbs. 

499
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:42,240
So but they're all muscle and 
they can exert, you know, 400, 

500
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,240
you know, pounds per inch of of 
pressure. 

501
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,920
I think I said that right. 
Yeah, it is because the the jaw 

502
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:54,840
clamp that we now we're like not
the cougar experts, but we know 

503
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,360
too much. 
But like how much pressure the 

504
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,120
PSI like you said I think. 
What? 

505
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,600
Exertions. 
Yeah, they're all muscle. 

506
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:03,960
All. 
Muscle OK, so so we're all 

507
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:08,120
fighting, doing whatever. 
And so all of a sudden we're 

508
00:27:08,120 --> 00:27:12,200
sitting there and so I'm looking
straight down the trail right 

509
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:13,280
there. 
But then there was other parts 

510
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:14,680
though, because Eric was on my 
left side. 

511
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:16,880
And this is what you talked 
about was like, so we're 

512
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,160
fighting, fighting. 
And, and Erica to me is like, 

513
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,560
and here's one of my other long 
term stories is like, I used to 

514
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,320
work as a credit rehab theorist 
100 years ago. 

515
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,800
And this Barbara Asman was so 
loving and kind and touchy. 

516
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,960
And somehow I've become a very 
touchy feely person since this. 

517
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,200
And I just remember she was 
always so kind and compassionate

518
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,880
rubbing people. 
So I'm rubbing Erica with my 

519
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,120
left arm at the same time 
killing the cougar right, 

520
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,240
because I'm like, we need you. 
I remember it took about 45 

521
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,160
minutes right by the time the 
the the ambulance and the fire 

522
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,520
trucks came. 
There's been so many events in 

523
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,440
the woods, I heard. 
I didn't have any strength left.

524
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,960
I, I crouched down because I'm 
like, well, maybe if I put more 

525
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,400
of my weight on it, but my 
weight isn't very much. 

526
00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:00,360
None of us, I mean, we're all, 
you know, pretty small women. 

527
00:28:00,360 --> 00:28:05,040
And so my, I'm, I'm crouched 
down and I, my legs just gave 

528
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:06,240
out. 
I mean, it was, it was a long 

529
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,560
battle. 
And so we're standing and trying

530
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,080
to fight and stomp the bike into
the cougar. 

531
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,240
Is there ever a point where you 
think this thing's going to come

532
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:17,280
out from under the bike? 
Yeah, well every time we we slow

533
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:21,960
our pace and we start relaxing 
because we're tired and 

534
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,240
breathing. 
They do have 9 lives. 

535
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:25,960
And Ona kept reminding us of 
this. 

536
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:27,840
She's like remember these things
have 9 lives. 

537
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:29,520
We can't stop fighting. 
We got to keep fighting. 

538
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,480
And and then she'd say we got to
keep our eye out for that second

539
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,320
cougar. 
So while we're trying to battle 

540
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,760
this thing, we're looking and 
we're like, when's it going to 

541
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,440
come and and kill us? 
And so I am so upset because I 

542
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:44,080
am thinking this is how it ends.
Like this is how we're going to 

543
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,800
die. 
There's nobody coming to rescue 

544
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,520
us. 
It's taking so long to get 

545
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,680
somebody to help us. 
By this point Ona had picked up 

546
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,680
my phone and she was on the 911 
call so. 

547
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,040
She had service. 
She did. 

548
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:58,840
She did your phone right. 
She did. 

549
00:28:58,840 --> 00:28:59,800
Yeah. 
It was my phone. 

550
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:04,000
So they, they, she was finally 
on talking to someone. 

551
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,920
She's like, we need a gun and 
someone with a gun and a 

552
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,160
helicopter, you know? 
Yeah, 9. 11 What is the location

553
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,720
of your emergency? 
You have the location on the 

554
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:16,320
receiver. 
Yeah, you have your location on 

555
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,320
our receiver right now and then 
we have a Cougar tech in Tango 

556
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,640
Global and you have a one writer
down I. 

557
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,920
Need the location please. 
The location. 

558
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,240
The location is on the phone. 
Is anyone? 

559
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:32,720
Interested. 
Yes, Yes, we need, we need, we 

560
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,800
need, we need a we need a 
helicopter immediately. 

561
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,640
We need air helicopter 
immediately and to location. 

562
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,720
We have a we have a rider down 
bleeding heavily in our pace. 

563
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,200
We got attacked in the phone, 
please, just a moment, please. 

564
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,760
And we need somebody with a gun 
to kill the cougar. 

565
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,640
We're holding the cougar down 
with a bike right now. 

566
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:53,840
So we need multiple situations. 
We need an air, probably a 

567
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,320
helicopter for the location and 
we need the crew. 

568
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,600
And then we need somebody who 
can take care of the floor. 

569
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:03,240
And so, but I was so upset and 
I'm trying to battle this thing.

570
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:07,080
And I'm also feeling this 
immense sense of I just want to 

571
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,240
kill this. 
And I've never felt that urge to

572
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:13,120
kill anything before ever in my 
life, wanting to kill something.

573
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,920
And we hadn't eaten anything 
since that 10 miles, right? 

574
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,480
We're in this battle and Tish is
rubbing my back. 

575
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:25,000
She's comforting me, you know, 
while she's trying to kill this 

576
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,600
predator. 
And I just, I, it was just so 

577
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:32,440
surreal how how it was happening
and. 

578
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,160
So. 
So you're being turned to by 

579
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,800
Annie Down is on June 911. 
What trailer? 

580
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,360
Are you on? 
We, we, we went, we went on to 

581
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:46,440
gate 2 into Kemper Global gate 2
and woke up our coordinate. 

582
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,240
We, we, we came into gate 2 into
Kemper Global. 

583
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:53,520
But we have left there and we an
hour into the area where you 

584
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:54,480
there's no access our 
coordinates. 

585
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,160
I've got them exactly on my GPS.
No, I don't have. 

586
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,680
We need to have an helicopter 
here and. 

587
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,560
Somebody have the coordinates? 
Yes, I OK. 

588
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:23,880
The coordinates are N 47.622516.
By West by West 121.795916. 

589
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,400
They were asking Anna where we 
were at. 

590
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:28,880
We're out in the middle of the 
woods. 

591
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,760
We don't know where we're at, 
but Annie was able to get the 

592
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:36,120
coordinates off the in reach. 
Translate it to Anna, who got it

593
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,120
to 911. 
Well, as this is all happening, 

594
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:43,000
she has the ability. 
This is this is after I got 

595
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:44,000
away. 
They're all just. 

596
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:45,800
Right. 
But I'm just so impressed that 

597
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,240
someone has the ability to think
that clearly to find coordinates

598
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,920
on a device that they may or may
not have ever had to find 

599
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:53,360
coordinates. 
For right telling us what they 

600
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:57,640
needed on the 911 call and she 
actually had to read them twice.

601
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,120
And I'm like, I was so 
exasperated, 'cause I'm like, 

602
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:01,760
why do we have to give you these
twice? 

603
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:03,560
Aren't you really like? 
Somebody raped. 

604
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,680
Right. 
Yeah, exactly right. 

605
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,320
It was crazy. 
But it was again, it was so 

606
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,760
calm, like, and I know Annie, 
they're not here. 

607
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,600
I wish they could be, but and 
Annie's like, no, I was great. 

608
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:18,240
I was. 
So if you watch the delivery of 

609
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:22,280
their communication skills to 
me, I that's why I was like. 

610
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,360
All right, Now we have a bicycle
on top of the cougar that we are

611
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,480
holding him down with, but he is
fighting back. 

612
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:32,480
And there was a second cougar. 
Yeah. 

613
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:33,880
All right. 
And the person that's hurt, 

614
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,080
where, where has he been bitten?
Scratched. 

615
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:37,000
Where? 
In the face? 

616
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,040
In the face. 
And they they they literally, I 

617
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:41,560
mean, we were doing our 
everybody had a purpose. 

618
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,160
We're still and behind you, the 
the cougar's still being crazy, 

619
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:45,960
right? 
I want gone bye bye. 

620
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,360
And then during when all this is
happening, all of a sudden down 

621
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:54,400
the trail, I'm like actually 2 
bikers and I'm like, then it's 

622
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,600
our team colors. 
I'm like it's Daniel Lease and. 

623
00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,000
I'm like. 
Yeah, they're our team. 

624
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,640
And I'm like, I'm like. 
We all. 

625
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,360
Carry them. 
By a cougar. 

626
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,120
And we're on the cougar. 
And all of a sudden at least was

627
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:08,120
just there. 
Yeah. 

628
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:09,720
And then you heard it. 
We had more weight. 

629
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:11,000
It was so great. 
I was. 

630
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,400
So great. 
I was laying in the road because

631
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,560
they told me to lay down at this
point and I was looking down the

632
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,280
road. 
So I think we all kind of saw 

633
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,960
them at the same time. 
It was like out of nowhere, you 

634
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,080
know, and I don't know how many 
minutes and it was it's. 

635
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:24,640
Like 3035? 
I'm sorry, Track. 

636
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,520
Coach yeah, like 35 minutes, 
3035 minutes in. 

637
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:34,240
And so Elise was like medically 
trained kind of an adventure, 

638
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:35,560
something I don't. 
Know Wolfa? 

639
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:40,640
Yeah, so she was, you know, kind
of telling Annie how to help me 

640
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,000
out. 
And then Daniel came over and I,

641
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:44,520
I don't. 
Know he had got another. 

642
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,720
One with us and was like hugging
us and we were all huddled 

643
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,280
together. 
Was it like I'll take over? 

644
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,200
No. 
No, we also wasn't like that he 

645
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:53,880
had. 
Another device that actually had

646
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:58,640
like a file on it and he was 
trying so and then Annie looks 

647
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,560
at me over there because Annie, 
I, I'm emotional, I have 

648
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:05,640
anxiety, I have some stuff and 
she's like, Tish, not now you 

649
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,320
got to suck that up. 
And I I got back, I got my 

650
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:13,040
poise, I got to keep fighting. 
But you were also comforting me.

651
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,719
So you were, you know, because I
had anxiety as well at that 

652
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,040
point. 
I mean, I think we all, 

653
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,280
everybody said it was calm, but 
I don't know. 

654
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,159
I don't remember it being calm. 
I remember everyone was like 

655
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:28,639
doing, we were all doing, but it
was still terrifying. 

656
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,320
Did anybody else get bit or 
injured by the cougar? 

657
00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:36,040
At all. 
I just had holes in my gloves, 

658
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:41,719
my shoes from kicking on the OR 
stomping on the claws, and then 

659
00:34:42,199 --> 00:34:44,440
we had gloves on, I mean. 
I just have a little. 

660
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,600
I had a little, that's all. 
I got nothing to my hand. 

661
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,840
I had bruises on my knuckles, 
that was it. 

662
00:34:49,159 --> 00:34:52,080
But Annie and Ona did go to the 
met check 'cause they had some, 

663
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:56,560
Annie had a scrape or something.
Anna had a sprained finger, you 

664
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,680
know. 
What I'm saying, Yeah, she did. 

665
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:03,400
And Annie had a scratch or bite 
or something on her hand. 

666
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:08,400
But yeah, I mean, yeah, it could
have been terrible, but it was 

667
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:14,080
actually like, pretty amazing. 
Daniel Daniel's like and and and

668
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,800
I think that's another thing we 
don't, I know that they've 

669
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,080
haven't been part of this, but 
Daniel, Elise are a huge part of

670
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:21,800
the story. 
They were our angels. 

671
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,600
That day, they were our. 
Angels. 

672
00:35:23,720 --> 00:35:25,680
I still call them that. 
When I see them, I'm like, 

673
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,680
there's my Angel. 
And we're all adventure people. 

674
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:31,280
Like, was that really cool on 
the the Tour Divide? 

675
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,520
I mean, yeah, all of us aren't 
just. 

676
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,200
Like Annie's done it too. 
We're. 

677
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,440
A bunch of 60 year old and maybe
a little 51 year old that goes 

678
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,040
out and. 
Now we've all done hardcore. 

679
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,440
Yeah, we are in training like. 
Hardcore, we'll hit that later. 

680
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,560
But so OK, so we're going to 
still fighting, battling. 

681
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:51,000
So now we're like Anna's still 
like talking on her phone, like 

682
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,160
getting time, like we're 
thinking how much longer, right.

683
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,320
Yeah. 
We have a cougar attack out in 

684
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,880
Snoqualmie Valley trail so. 
OK, what's the address? 

685
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,240
All we have is a Latin. 
A Latin long so far. 

686
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,160
OK, all of a sudden we hear hear
a truck. 

687
00:36:07,720 --> 00:36:11,520
Yeah, then the the next person, 
well, I don't know if Quinn was 

688
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,280
a lot. 
He was after I, Yeah, I don't 

689
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:14,480
remember. 
Do you remember Quinn? 

690
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:20,480
Yeah, but you guys are skipping 
still ahead of we had, I had my 

691
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,400
seat pack on my bike, right? 
And so we open up my seat pack 

692
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,360
and Tish pulls out the tube and 
she's like, maybe we could 

693
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,120
strangle the cougar with it? 
Now. 

694
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:33,000
Now we're. 
Trying to think of everything we

695
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,320
can do at this point and it's 
just, and and I'm like, well, 

696
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,560
but we're going to have to wrap 
it around its head and we can't 

697
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,120
really get under the bike to do 
that. 

698
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,640
Like, but we're trying to just, 
this is the desperate type of 

699
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,080
situation we were in. 
I mean, we're just trying to 

700
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,880
think of anything we can do so 
that we don't have to continue 

701
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,840
the terror. 
And yeah, what were you going? 

702
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:58,240
To say, I was going to say that 
the problem solving that no one 

703
00:36:58,240 --> 00:37:02,120
of us could have gotten out of 
there, but the five of us 

704
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:07,120
problem solving together and how
everybody worked together got us

705
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,240
out of there. 
You know, I mean, all of us 

706
00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:14,880
could have been and, and all of 
us have scars just because I 

707
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:19,040
have them on my face. 
It all of us have our own 

708
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,000
individual story about this and 
it's different. 

709
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,080
Each one of us story is 
different. 

710
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,640
But we all suffered, you know, 
we all suffered and we all have 

711
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:31,200
scars from this. 
And we are all heroes and we're 

712
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:35,160
all victims, you know? 
And well said well. 

713
00:37:35,240 --> 00:37:37,640
Said we could end it right 
there, but there's like a whole 

714
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:41,480
nother 30 minutes ago. 
So that's your point, though, as

715
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:43,920
we're standing there doing all 
this, you know, because I was 

716
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,360
standing next to where the other
cougar would have been and I 

717
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,480
just I did. 
For some reason, men in black 

718
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,440
keep coming up. 
But it was like you triage this 

719
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,800
way, this way, this and you were
just and at the same time you're

720
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,120
Macgyvering in your head. 
Like I'm looking at all the 

721
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,320
different bikes. 
Like if that other one came 

722
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,720
back, it's like I don't think I 
could have out Macgyvered it 

723
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,000
because we had the bike. 
You're over there. 

724
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,280
That was a terrifying prospect. 
And like the second, I couldn't 

725
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,360
think of any way else if the 
other one came back and I'm 

726
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,000
thinking somebody would have 
died that day. 

727
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,000
I'm the outcome was beautiful 
and it's a beautiful story. 

728
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,160
But the what ifs, and I know we 
talked about, I can talk about 

729
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,560
the what ifs for many months 
after because it could have been

730
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:24,040
a whole whole different outcome.
So the thing I wanted to say is 

731
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,800
that all of us have bear spray. 
None of us, I think at the that 

732
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,880
time had knives, but we didn't 
bring our bear spray with us 

733
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,480
that day because it's, it was 
going to be just a short little 

734
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:38,000
ride, you know. 
And, and so we were very like, 

735
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,040
sometimes we'd bring it and 
sometimes we wouldn't. 

736
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,960
And now I think every time we're
all out there with our bear 

737
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,640
spray and we all have knives. 
We all have huge buck knives 

738
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,240
now. 
Yeah, because we had a weapon is

739
00:38:49,240 --> 00:38:53,960
important, you know, and bear 
spray is important, you know, 

740
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:55,560
it's like, yeah, yeah. 
For sure. 

741
00:38:56,560 --> 00:39:00,120
Yeah, but how? 
How I can't wrap my head around 

742
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:05,520
why this attacks you while 
you're riding your bike. 

743
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:07,240
I think it triggered the 
movement. 

744
00:39:07,240 --> 00:39:10,440
We were going like 10 or 11 
miles an hour and justice, the 

745
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:14,400
movement triggered it because 
the other ladies said that they 

746
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,080
saw them, they look like they 
were both going to pass behind 

747
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,760
me. 
And the one just like had a 

748
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,800
change of heart and went for me,
you know? 

749
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:23,160
The other one continued. 
On. 

750
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:24,600
He made a mistake. 
Yeah, yeah. 

751
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,720
I think now that we're we're 
Cougar experts. 

752
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:32,520
I almost said my comment. 
I'll wait for that. 

753
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:36,800
One is that they usually don't 
travel in the day. 

754
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,680
Usually it's a dusk and dawn. 
But the, the wildlife people, 

755
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,640
and obviously I'm not quoting, 
I'm not expert and wildlife 

756
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,200
people, I'm sorry, but they said
because the juvenile, it was 

757
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,400
like 1:00 in the afternoon, it 
was the middle of the day and 

758
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,680
they just saw an opportunity and
I think they took it and they 

759
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:52,880
were young. 
But I also don't go with the 

760
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:58,320
statistics of dusk and dawn 
because the guys in California, 

761
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,560
we're middle of the day. 
So yeah. 

762
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,720
And I also don't go with oh, 
it's a rare thing and it never 

763
00:40:03,720 --> 00:40:05,840
happens because it does happen 
all the time. 

764
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,120
We've we've taken over their 
land. 

765
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:14,360
But they've also made laws that 
make it harder for hunters, and 

766
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,280
they used to pay bounties. 
They don't do that anymore. 

767
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,480
So they've been a confluence of 
factors that have contributed to

768
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:25,320
the population. 
So you, the last I heard you say

769
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,920
was they were driving down the 
road, there was a truck coming. 

770
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,040
What was that like for you when 
you saw the truck and what 

771
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,520
happened? 
That was not Sergeant Pace, that

772
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,280
was another officer. 
And it was Officer Horn. 

773
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,400
Oh, yeah, Officer Horn. 
Yeah. 

774
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:42,360
And he got out of the car and 
I'm like, why is he moving so 

775
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,760
slow? 
He was just like he was looking 

776
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:45,640
over here. 
It's. 

777
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,720
Not like the movies where they 
come out and they just, like, 

778
00:40:47,720 --> 00:40:50,720
get back, yeah. 
Was the thing still alive at 

779
00:40:50,720 --> 00:40:52,240
this point? 
Yeah, it's alive. 

780
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,600
And the other one, so they had 
to secure the perimeter 1st. 

781
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:56,760
And this is where the men in 
black thing, you know, when they

782
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:58,000
sit there and they're all 
sitting looking around. 

783
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,160
So they actually maneuvered. 
There was a couple of them. 

784
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,160
So remember there was like a 
couple because they wanted to 

785
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:04,960
protect our area in case the 
other one came back. 

786
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,520
And we had to stay where we. 
Were so we were still until and 

787
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,840
they I think the the 911 were 
tending to carry at this point. 

788
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:12,480
But I know they weren't there, 
really. 

789
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:16,800
So Officer Horn first came over 
to me and Annie and he's like, 

790
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,120
and Annie's like, don't worry 
about her. 

791
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:20,400
I don't. 
She didn't say that. 

792
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,400
But she's like, get the freaking
coup. 

793
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:24,600
Yeah, that's kind of threat 
here. 

794
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,880
One thing we forgot to mention 
and this is your story, you and 

795
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,720
Annie, but didn't you notice 
there was pictures in the middle

796
00:41:31,720 --> 00:41:34,720
of this crazy attack? 
Yeah, yes. 

797
00:41:34,720 --> 00:41:36,760
They got all the photographs. 
No, no, no. 

798
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:43,360
I got away and he's like not 
knowing where to go, me or or 

799
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:47,680
them and I said take pictures, 
we have to document this. 

800
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:52,120
And so she's shot one shot at 
them, one shot at me, and then 

801
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:53,760
threw the phone down and went 
back to work. 

802
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,000
That's funny because I'm and I'm
not trying to put this on me at 

803
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,800
all, but I've been in a Sigma 
situation, right? 

804
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:03,080
And I remember vividly telling 
my Emmett, my videographer, you 

805
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:06,080
had better get. 
That done, yeah, right. 

806
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:10,960
Like somehow I had the the the 
mind to be yes. 

807
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,560
Yeah, yeah. 
If we had a grow GoPro it would 

808
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,640
it life would have been good. 
So so. 

809
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,840
Or it would be terrifying. 
More trauma. 

810
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:22,840
I would be institutionalized. 
No. 

811
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:27,120
So they're perimeter. 
And so Erica is where Kerry is 

812
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,960
right now. 
And the officer, I remember 

813
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,880
Daniel was in there too and he 
said, Sir, please back up. 

814
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:36,560
But I'm going to do this slowly.
I'm going to tell you all what 

815
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,920
to do. 
And he's like Daniel back up. 

816
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:41,640
I'm in therapy working on this 
part right now. 

817
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:46,240
So I lose a little bit. 
So he moves out and then he 

818
00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:48,080
comes between both of us. 
I remember. 

819
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:49,720
I mean, not me. 
No, it's Erica. 

820
00:42:49,720 --> 00:42:51,320
It's Erica. 
So I'm here and he's 

821
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:55,200
right-handed. 
So his his hand goes between the

822
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,200
two of us. 
You're here and all the way 

823
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:58,320
down. 
I remember I just felt like his 

824
00:42:58,320 --> 00:42:59,600
hand touched, he said all the 
way down. 

825
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,880
Yeah, it's just stay still. 
And I thought it was going to be

826
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:07,640
the loudest thing. 
It was just this and it's like 

827
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,240
you need to stay at it for like 
another 15 to 20 minutes. 

828
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,480
And so, yeah, they brought you 
had that warrant, that red 

829
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,960
Gatorade thing. 
So we're talking socializing, 

830
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,800
they're saying to her. 
Me and Tish are on the dead 

831
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:20,520
cougar with. 
With Alan, and I'm talking about

832
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:24,960
Gofundmes because I know that 
you need money and and yeah, it 

833
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:26,680
was. 
And we're just talking like 

834
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,800
we're on we're on Cougar, you're
over there. 

835
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:31,360
And I'm like, this is what it 
being for me. 

836
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,840
Really, really surreal. 
Like we fucking just. 

837
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,880
We yeah, we just survived. 
Oh my gosh. 

838
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,640
I'm such a cry baby. 
Yeah. 

839
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:48,440
It was, it was incredible, the 
best story ever. 

840
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:52,200
It was in slow motion though, 
because it was like, they're so 

841
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,080
slow. 
I know, Carrie, it is the best 

842
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,440
that we all had this great 
outcome. 

843
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,360
But thinking back on it it and 
thinking about that moment, I 

844
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:06,880
mean, even when I hear a gun pop
now, I think about it and I 

845
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:12,840
can't watch any show now where 
somebody's I can't watch any TV 

846
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:16,400
show and I love violent shows. 
I can't watch anything where 

847
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:20,240
somebody is fighting for their 
life or desperate to live or 

848
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:24,160
your podcast being an exception.
I did watch those videos. 

849
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,760
But when I hear that gun pop it 
just I think about it. 

850
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:33,600
I think about it and the fact 
that we had to stand there and 

851
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,080
we couldn't get off, and who 
knows, there could have been a 

852
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:37,720
rock under it. 
It could have ricocheted again. 

853
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,520
I mean, there's a lot of things 
that could have happened, but 

854
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,640
thankfully everything thing 
turned out so. 

855
00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:47,600
Hot dude though man, that's what
got me through it. 

856
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,320
I I am a cougar. 
I'm a cougar. 

857
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,400
Not sure. 
You didn't tell your. 

858
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:54,080
Cougar. 
Jerry. 

859
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,280
No, I gotta tell there I'm good.
Yeah. 

860
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:58,080
Yeah. 
Us Cougars took down that 

861
00:44:58,080 --> 00:44:59,480
Cougar. 
Yeah, that's right. 

862
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:00,920
She always loves to say that. 
No. 

863
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:02,200
We get that. 
I wasn't. 

864
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,000
Gonna get these Cougars. 
Oh yeah, that's right. 

865
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:10,080
But gosh, so then then that was 
there, there's it keeps going, 

866
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:11,560
right? 
Because now we're looking at 

867
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,440
Carrie. 
Well, no, no, so I this is 1. 

868
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,080
So Quinn, Quinn is another 
teammate. 

869
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,680
So all of a sudden now, like I 
think he said, came from a trail

870
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:22,960
from the other side. 
We I don't know where, but 

871
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:27,920
Tianya was talking to him and 
Quinn is the most adventure dude

872
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,000
out there all by himself, blah, 
blah, all these and I'm like, 

873
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,600
what do you do for safety? 
And he goes, well, I have a gun 

874
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:35,680
and I'm like, where do you keep 
it? 

875
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,040
And it was on his top two bag. 
And I'm like, well, that 

876
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,520
wouldn't have a bleakly helped 
you today do anything. 

877
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:42,320
Another teammate that came 
right. 

878
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,080
Oh, another one, your teammate. 
OK. 

879
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,880
I was thinking he was it like 
part of the rescue team? 

880
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,480
And I believe that there's such 
a higher power in this world and

881
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,920
God, that what are the odds that
Danny lease recycled cycles, 

882
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,240
Quinn recycled cycles like, 
like. 

883
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,520
I had just joined the team and 
this was my first ride back. 

884
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:02,520
And as Carrie, you said, we 
needed all hands on deck. 

885
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,400
I mean. 
Yeah, everybody equally 

886
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,120
contributed, contributed to this
event. 

887
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,240
Yeah. 
And I don't know what the 

888
00:46:10,240 --> 00:46:12,880
hospital said about you having 
the quick clot on your. 

889
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,520
I think well, they everybody 
praises Erica. 

890
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:20,360
She's actually giving quick Clot
a lot of business because she 

891
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,720
had. 
Given it to people, yeah, I get 

892
00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:23,840
bear sprayed, everybody. 
That's my. 

893
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:25,880
Quick Clot can sponsor this 
episode. 

894
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:27,240
If you like. 
Real free. 

895
00:46:27,240 --> 00:46:30,760
Would that be great? 
But the other thing too is the 

896
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,200
bear spray. 
You know, Costco we is the 

897
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:37,240
mothership is in Issaquah. 
But one of the things I know we 

898
00:46:37,240 --> 00:46:40,160
all are on the same thing, but 
awareness and education of 

899
00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:43,400
properly recreating with the 
appropriate supplies. 

900
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:45,960
Because my new thing is when I 
learn people, do you hide? 

901
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,320
Do you do whatever? 
Do you cure anything? 

902
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,440
Oh no, And I might go. 
Well, I was one of the cougar 

903
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:55,560
people and and so every I've 
probably given away 6 or 7 bear 

904
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:56,520
sprays now. 
Same. 

905
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,040
I give them away all the time. 
If you can save that one life. 

906
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,200
I want to carry 2. 
Well, I mean, I go buy them, but

907
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,320
Costco has a really good deal 
with Tupac. 

908
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:10,320
But it's it's just remarkable, 
unfortunately, and I'm talking 

909
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,360
about me because I don't want to
insult anyone, but how 

910
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,920
unequipped for that particular 
day I was when I went in the 

911
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:15,400
woods. 
So. 

912
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:19,080
So looking back on it, what 
would you have done differently?

913
00:47:19,720 --> 00:47:23,600
I as I was laying there with 
trying to protect my throat, I 

914
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:27,960
was thinking a knife and neck 
knife would have been useful to 

915
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,400
me. 
Or if I had something on my 

916
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:34,400
thigh, if, if I couldn't have 
reached down and grabbed it, one

917
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,320
of these guys could have grabbed
it off my leg. 

918
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:42,440
I don't want to carry a gun. 
I considered it in this past 

919
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,600
year and I've gone to the gun 
range. 

920
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:47,800
I've, I've actually shotguns 
quite a bit in my younger years,

921
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:52,280
but I don't really feel like 
that's the answer for me. 

922
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:57,400
I I feel like bear spray and a 
knife is what I need to have. 

923
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:02,320
Yeah, I ended up, I did get my 
concealed weapon permit and I 

924
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:06,560
did acquire that, but because 
I'm experiencing so much PTSD 

925
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,200
that right now I'm mentally I'm 
I'm not equipped there. 

926
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,880
So I think in time. 
But if I do, it's like, you 

927
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:15,640
know, driving a car is a 
privilege that once I I do, I 

928
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,160
would take all the classes, 
understand how to shoot, do a 

929
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:21,520
lot of practicing and really 
think long and hard because it's

930
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,640
a privilege to carry out weapon 
in our. 

931
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:28,960
World I carry a big buck knife, 
you know, it's like a sidearm 

932
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,320
and I've learned how to use it. 
I watch videos and I practice 

933
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:33,920
getting it in and out of the 
holster. 

934
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,880
I also carry bear spray and the 
Kwik Klot, obviously in a 

935
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,240
complete medical kit with a 
space blanket. 

936
00:48:40,720 --> 00:48:42,920
Yeah, I, I feel like the, the 
other people that I've 

937
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:46,320
interviewed who've had similar, 
you know, traumatic situations 

938
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:50,920
happen, many of them weren't 
able to get to their bear spray.

939
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,000
It was deep in their backpack or
it was in a place where they 

940
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:54,960
couldn't reach to it fast enough
or whatever. 

941
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,680
I used to teach concealed carry 
classes back in the day, so I 

942
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:00,800
know how important it is to have
something that's ready, but 

943
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,440
that's incredible. 
I do have a firearm, but I'm not

944
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:04,920
prepared to bring it on the 
trail. 

945
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:09,480
I just feel like I don't know. 
I, I, I feel like if I would 

946
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,960
have had it, sure, maybe would 
have shortened our time or my 

947
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:14,520
hand would have been shaken so 
bad. 

948
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,400
I would have been like, OK, 
everybody like, am I going to 

949
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,480
shoot the animal or am I going 
to shoot my friend? 

950
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:23,240
You know, so it's, I don't know,
something would have been great 

951
00:49:23,240 --> 00:49:24,960
though. 
Well, they say when it's 

952
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:28,240
something of extreme, you know, 
your, your body, your, your 

953
00:49:28,240 --> 00:49:31,600
hands go numb, your, your 
fingers don't seem to work very 

954
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:33,760
well. 
Your blood just goes to the main

955
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,200
places that it's trying to 
protect and you can't do what 

956
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:38,640
you'd think you would normally 
be able. 

957
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,000
Did you experience that at all? 
Oh yeah, when I was trying to 

958
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,000
dial 911, I couldn't get my 
gloves off. 

959
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:44,920
It was like, why is this so 
hard? 

960
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,360
Why is this so hard to push 
buttons on my phone? 

961
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:52,360
So I use my, I'm an exercise 
physiologist and I love data. 

962
00:49:52,720 --> 00:49:54,960
So I wear a heart rate monitor. 
And it was interesting. 

963
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:58,200
I didn't look at it for many 
months later, but I looked at my

964
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:01,840
heart rate data and, and at that
moment when that happened, I was

965
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,440
like 110 one, you know, because 
we're really, really fit. 

966
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,000
We're just now about the 
recording being like, let's go 

967
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,480
have fun. 
But at that moment of the 

968
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,680
attack, my heart rate went from 
like 190 for the next 24 minutes

969
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:14,720
and it was about 18170 and it 
trickled off. 

970
00:50:14,720 --> 00:50:17,760
So to actually see that the 
Physiology of that happening is 

971
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,520
just unbelievable. 
Your body is incredible. 

972
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:22,480
I mean what it can do in 
situations like that. 

973
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:26,880
Yeah, I mean, what what you went
through with Rabdo and that was 

974
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:32,480
that was just a miracle, a true 
miracle that you're sitting 

975
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,200
here. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

976
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:36,600
This isn't my story though, but 
yeah. 

977
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:39,840
I know, but I just watched it 
and I was like wow. 

978
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:41,080
Yeah. 
Thank you. 

979
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:42,480
You can relate. 
Yeah. 

980
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,600
So. 
Yeah, so you, you leave and 

981
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:47,120
we're like, Oh my gosh. 
Well, they wouldn't let us 

982
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,600
leave. 
So now it's the rest of us. 

983
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:51,800
Dana leaves. 
The rest of us curl up in a 

984
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:55,360
little huddle and they put those
yellow blankets on us. 

985
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,760
We're all at this point. 
We're freezing, we haven't eaten

986
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:03,480
and we haven't had anything. 
And so Officer Horn, he had 

987
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:05,720
spicy Doritos and some Gate 
razors. 

988
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:07,840
And he had starbursts. 
Yeah, yeah. 

989
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,600
He's like, you guys need to put 
the sugar back in your body, 

990
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:12,320
right? 
So we're all just sitting there 

991
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:16,320
talking and. 
And at this point, like, we need

992
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,240
to call Carrie's family. 
We got to call our kids. 

993
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:21,640
Yeah, I call my daughter Ashley.
You know, it's a Saturday in the

994
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:23,560
woods. 
And like I said, the last two 

995
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:26,600
February's in Washington. 
Ashley broke my hip. 

996
00:51:27,240 --> 00:51:31,520
Ashley broke my pelvis. 
Ashley, we've been attacked by 

997
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:33,160
cougar. 
I'm like, and it was so hard to 

998
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,920
have to say it's not me, but I 
terrified her. 

999
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,640
She's like, Oh my God. 
And there's she is she OK? 

1000
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,960
I said, you have Kendall, 
Kendall and Alexis number 

1001
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:43,320
because we did the ambound 
together. 

1002
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:45,920
That's where that came from. 
And she's like, no. 

1003
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:49,120
So then we're thinking who else 
can go over and tell our kids? 

1004
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:52,600
And that's what Darren Nelson is
one of our also biker friends. 

1005
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,880
And so we called Darren, and you
probably know the story better 

1006
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:58,800
because you've it's your story. 
Well, I I think he just appeared

1007
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,400
at my door and Kendall doesn't 
ever answer the door. 

1008
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:03,160
But Kendall did that. 
Kendall. 

1009
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:08,400
Yeah. 
And he, I I don't know my 

1010
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,720
situation. 
I wasn't thinking really of 

1011
00:52:10,720 --> 00:52:14,720
anybody else but myself. 
But several months later, my 

1012
00:52:14,720 --> 00:52:20,680
kids, my two daughters told me 
how traumatized they were. 

1013
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:26,280
Oh, yeah, but like Kendall 
finding out by Darren just 

1014
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,800
showing up at the he thought she
thought he was joking. 

1015
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:32,400
You know, your mom's in the 
hospital attacked by a cougar. 

1016
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:39,160
But you know, all of our 
families have, you know, I mean,

1017
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:40,720
how do you react to something 
like that? 

1018
00:52:40,720 --> 00:52:42,720
Actually, how do you? 
Even when you can't even 

1019
00:52:42,720 --> 00:52:46,080
comprehend it yourself. 
And it took me a month to even 

1020
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,800
be able to talk about it. 
I couldn't even comprehend in 

1021
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:51,280
the moment that this was 
happening. 

1022
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:55,600
I completely dissociated. 
It was like just to just to 

1023
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:59,560
realize that this was happening 
and I was a part of it was it 

1024
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:01,560
was just incomprehensible at the
time. 

1025
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:04,960
I can't even imagine how they 
felt. 

1026
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:09,160
Yeah, well, even like, you know,
everybody from the beginning was

1027
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:12,120
saying hero, hero, hero. 
And these guys are like, we're 

1028
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:13,040
not heroes. 
We're. 

1029
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:14,640
Just doing what we're supposed. 
To do yeah. 

1030
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:16,040
And I'm like, you know how? 
Can you? 

1031
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:19,680
Possibly say you weren't heroes 
because I'll tell you what, from

1032
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:23,640
all my looking at Youtubes and 
stuff, people will help their 

1033
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:26,480
friend. 
They'll grab the legs and do the

1034
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,200
tug of war with the cougar. 
But these guys were on it, you 

1035
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:32,120
know, They weren't like. 
Trying to pull her away. 

1036
00:53:32,240 --> 00:53:39,640
Yeah, I just, I'm so incredibly 
grateful that they handled it 

1037
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:41,000
the way they did. 
You know? 

1038
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:44,040
I mean, they didn't drag me. 
There was no tug of war with 

1039
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:46,160
that cougar. 
That cougar was just pure power,

1040
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:48,600
you know? 
But Carrie, you would have done 

1041
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,600
the exact same thing. 
None of us. 

1042
00:53:52,240 --> 00:53:53,800
None of us know. 
What we would have done, because

1043
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,360
I know. 
But I know her now in a way that

1044
00:53:56,360 --> 00:54:00,040
I didn't know before. 
And Carrie will help anyone, 

1045
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:06,400
even a stranger, on. 
And so I, I am very confident 

1046
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:09,480
that you would have done the 
exact same thing to save any of 

1047
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:11,440
our lives you. 
Were there twice for me yeah 

1048
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:13,280
fallen over bikes yeah right 
there I've. 

1049
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:17,000
Seen you help strangers so I I 
don't want to hear that you're a

1050
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,640
hero. 
They they won the Carnegie Award

1051
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:22,480
and they didn't even have to 
think about it. 

1052
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,440
You know, it's a huge honor. 
Yeah, yeah, I've I've, I've. 

1053
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:27,680
It's a huge honor. 
I've got the lapel Peach. 

1054
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:31,160
She's got the scene. 
Actually, and if you want to 

1055
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:33,320
take it out and it says on the 
back if you want to read it, 

1056
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:35,080
we'll. 
We'll get some video of that for

1057
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:38,840
sure, but that's amazing. 
It's the highest, John. 1513. 

1058
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:42,040
Yeah, I started. 
Like a medal. 19 O 4 by Andrew 

1059
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,640
Carnegie and there's been over 
10,000 awards. 

1060
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:46,680
I have done so much research on 
Andrew Carnegie. 

1061
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:48,160
I want to say why I'm wearing 
this. 

1062
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,040
Yeah, yeah, I would. 
I was, I was. 

1063
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,680
I'm excited to hear about this 
because when I found out about 

1064
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:55,960
this sweater, I was like, she's 
got to wear the sweater. 

1065
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:59,040
Well I don't like just wearing 
it around because people think 

1066
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:00,640
I'm weird but. 
I don't think it's. 

1067
00:55:00,720 --> 00:55:04,360
I think it looks cool actually. 
Yeah, when I when I got in the 

1068
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:08,760
ambulance, they started cutting 
off all my expensive stuff, you 

1069
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:12,640
know, and I'm like, no man, just
can you cut it in a good place 

1070
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:14,120
where I could sew it back 
together later. 

1071
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:18,480
And so this one was just tatters
and I'm like, I want it, don't 

1072
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:23,160
throw it away. 
And my, our good friend Anna, 

1073
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:28,360
who was the 911 caller, is a 
craftsperson and she's way 

1074
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:31,400
better than me, for sure. 
But she did these things on her 

1075
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,880
wool stuff that the moth moths 
have eaten. 

1076
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:40,120
And she said it's celebrating 
the whole, you know, you're 

1077
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:42,560
celebrating the life of the 
sweater. 

1078
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:44,880
And I'm like, well, this sweater
has had some life. 

1079
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:49,720
And. 
They, I mean, I hacked it 

1080
00:55:49,720 --> 00:55:56,440
together, but I, it's my artwork
and I just, you know, I, I think

1081
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:58,280
it's. 
I don't ever think I've seen I. 

1082
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:00,880
Love it, and it's like all the 
places where the cougar. 

1083
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:04,480
Yeah, this is where it got me. 
The worst is on my shoulder and 

1084
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:07,440
then my. 
It must have reached around and 

1085
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:11,800
got me in different places. 
But but yeah, I mean, I got a 

1086
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,320
sweater that tells the story 
because they wouldn't give me a 

1087
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:16,480
claw and they wouldn't give me a
tooth. 

1088
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:18,280
Yeah, they. 
Wouldn't give us any of the good

1089
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:19,720
stuff. 
Really. 

1090
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:20,920
Yeah. 
Wow. 

1091
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,120
I don't know. 
I really wanted that that. 

1092
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:24,440
Somebody's going to comment and 
tell us why. 

1093
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:29,040
Sergeant Pace came to the 
hospital to take my statement 

1094
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:35,000
and he comes around the corner 
with some flowers and and then 

1095
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:38,120
he started crying when he saw me
and, and I'm like, Oh my gosh, 

1096
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:39,680
what a sweet man. 
Who's he? 

1097
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:43,920
The Fish and Wildlife man that. 
He was on scene, he came on and 

1098
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:46,320
he sort of did the investigation
of the attack. 

1099
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:48,480
What has recovery been like for 
you? 

1100
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:56,000
So I all my stuff was just, you 
know, scars that healed up, but 

1101
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,480
my teeth don't really line up 
right now. 

1102
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:07,040
I've got metal metal down my 
face in two places and my ears 

1103
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:11,120
have healed amazing and my face 
has healed pretty freaking good.

1104
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:12,720
Yeah, looks amazing. 
It's really good. 

1105
00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:14,880
It's better than the pictures, 
Yeah, that's for sure. 

1106
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,040
Yeah, and I can open my mouth 
now. 

1107
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:19,800
I can kind of. 
I can chew fairly well. 

1108
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:24,720
And I am so grateful to 
Harborview and everybody there. 

1109
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:33,240
I do suffer from my concussion 
still because I went out, all of

1110
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:37,200
us went out like two months 
later and I thought that I was, 

1111
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:39,120
I'm like, I'm getting back on 
it. 

1112
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:41,560
I'm going to do it, you know, 
And we all went out on a rainy 

1113
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:45,960
day and there was, you know, 
rivers of water coming down the 

1114
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:48,440
double track and it would 
probably shouldn't have been 

1115
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:51,960
out. 
And I wasn't really ready to be 

1116
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:56,360
out on that stuff. 
And I had a second accident and 

1117
00:57:56,360 --> 00:58:00,520
had a pretty severe concussion. 
And so it like compounded my 

1118
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:04,640
probably had a concussion when 
the cougar tackled me and then 

1119
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:08,240
definitely had the concussion 2 
months later. 

1120
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:13,320
And I'm paying for it now 
because I am not recovered over 

1121
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:17,640
a year later. 
I don't know if or when I will 

1122
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:20,280
be, but umm, I'm still not back 
to work. 

1123
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:25,000
I, umm, went back to work for 
four months in the summertime 

1124
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:29,320
and it was mind boggling. 
I couldn't do it, you know, work

1125
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:32,600
on the computer. 
So yeah, it's changed my life 

1126
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:34,280
and it's changed where I'm 
going. 

1127
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:39,720
But you know, I am so grateful 
for everything. 

1128
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:44,400
Everything. 
My gratitude is like amplified, 

1129
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:48,240
you know, and my love of people 
is amplified. 

1130
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:52,920
And you know, my looking at the 
sunny day is just like, I get to

1131
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:57,080
do this today, you know, So it's
like there's so many good things

1132
00:58:57,080 --> 00:59:01,480
and whatever happens, rolling 
forward will happen. 

1133
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:03,400
I'm OK. 
I can ride my bike. 

1134
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:09,720
You know, I can't ride it like I
used to, but and I have my 

1135
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:10,760
she's. 
Kicking my butt. 

1136
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:14,720
Yeah, right. 
But yeah, so and, and 

1137
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:17,200
everybody's recovering. 
We're all recovering. 

1138
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:21,400
You know, I'm, I, people ask me 
a lot because of my faith, but 

1139
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:23,200
all of us are recovering from 
this. 

1140
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:25,840
You know, it affected all of us.
How about you? 

1141
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:30,480
So I, I have suffered from 
mental health and anxiety and 

1142
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:33,960
depression the whole life. 
So I knew like when I got back, 

1143
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:41,440
immediately called a therapist 
and you know, I, I have PTSD 

1144
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:43,160
pretty bad. 
So I took disability last year 

1145
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:45,640
and it was really helpful. 
I found a wonderful counselor, 

1146
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:47,880
but two weeks ago I was like, go
for my job. 

1147
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:50,320
And that's a that's a different 
story. 

1148
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:53,520
But so I'm back on disability 
and really working with the 

1149
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:57,000
therapist, you know, and I have 
episodes of flashbacks out there

1150
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:59,800
and it's pretty severe, but I 
keep doing it. 

1151
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:02,520
I keep putting myself out there.
It's, it's been a journey. 

1152
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:04,720
But you know what? 
And I know Dan, we talked about 

1153
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:06,680
it, but. 
I had my business plan, I'm 

1154
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:10,320
working my LLC because I would 
like to do what you do for a 

1155
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:13,560
podcast for mental health, 
talking about the bad ass people

1156
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:17,280
in the world that no matter what
you encounter that you know, 

1157
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:20,920
mental health, other kind of 
parts of life never have to stop

1158
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:22,520
you. 
You walk through those dark 

1159
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:25,680
times, but there's so much 
beauty and excellence in people 

1160
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:27,600
and you're like in community 
that make it all worth it. 

1161
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:31,400
And so even though all this 
crazy stuff happened the last 

1162
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:34,960
two weeks, I've never been more 
excited than peaceful in my life

1163
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:37,320
to live life. 
So I'm really excited. 

1164
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:40,040
You are definitely alive. 
Yeah, I I just, I haven't felt 

1165
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:42,960
this good and I can't tell you 
so. 

1166
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:46,440
I think you'd make a great 
podcaster like you should do it,

1167
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:51,880
yeah. 
I mean I definitely had PTSD and

1168
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:57,320
I've also had post traumatic 
growth big time. 

1169
01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:02,520
I mean, my lease on life is 
like, I always had pretty good 

1170
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:06,720
perspective, I thought, but kind
of like Carrie, I, I wake up 

1171
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:08,400
every day and I'm grateful to be
alive. 

1172
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:11,720
I'm like, wow, this is awesome. 
You know, I get excited about 

1173
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:13,640
breakfast, what I'm going to eat
for breakfast. 

1174
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:14,480
You know I. 
Do too. 

1175
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:18,520
I just, I'm just like that, you 
know, like a kid. 

1176
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:22,440
And especially in the whole 
year, I've had a lot of clarity 

1177
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:24,480
because I, I haven't had any 
alcohol. 

1178
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:26,920
I quit drinking after the cougar
attack. 

1179
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:28,960
And so that also helped with 
that. 

1180
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:33,120
And I needed to do that so that 
I could have healing and 

1181
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:37,360
clarity. 
But just my mates, like they're 

1182
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:41,520
my mates and they're my friends 
and all five of us are, you 

1183
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:46,000
know, we're like sisters. 
And I feel like I have just this

1184
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:51,880
unconditional love for them. 
And also just, I'm just so 

1185
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:55,880
thankful to God and my family. 
My family's just so amazing. 

1186
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:57,840
I can't imagine how terrified 
they were. 

1187
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:02,960
My friends. 
I mean, I'm just so blessed to 

1188
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:07,240
have my career and just 
everything in my life. 

1189
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:11,400
I'm just extraordinarily 
grateful. 

1190
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:14,480
So let me ask one question. 
I asked this to everybody that I

1191
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:17,080
interview who's gone through a 
traumatic situation like this. 

1192
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:19,960
And it seems like an odd 
question to ask, but I think 

1193
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:24,960
it's a interesting one to talk 
through is if you could go back 

1194
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:29,480
in time and remove this whole 
situation from ever happening, 

1195
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:34,480
would you do it? 
I wouldn't because I and I I'm 

1196
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:36,520
first one to respond right, And 
it's like I'm the most like 

1197
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:41,160
traumatic premise, but I believe
everything's predestined in this

1198
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:44,880
world and already and and we're 
given the skills to walk through

1199
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:49,800
this And even though right now 
seems really crazy, I believe 

1200
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:53,080
there's a strength and character
that I don't think I ever knew I

1201
01:02:53,080 --> 01:03:00,360
had sure, And I don't know, I 
just life just happens and crazy

1202
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:04,160
and I'm like, oh, and I wish you
wouldn't have gotten hurt be 

1203
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:07,800
alive, but there's something 
spirited about this. 

1204
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:10,960
I mean, it's taken away some 
innocence, but I don't know. 

1205
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:16,360
I just it's, it's scary, cool 
and different ambivalent, but I 

1206
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:19,440
wouldn't take it away. 
I know I, there's absolutely no 

1207
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:21,800
way I would pass up this 
incredible story. 

1208
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:26,160
And I all of us suffer in our 
bike rides, you know, and it's 

1209
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:29,160
like it, this sucks, man. 
We suffer and when we put our 

1210
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:32,920
bodies through crazy stuff, but 
the reward that we get at the 

1211
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:37,920
end of it is so huge and I feel 
like this thing was suffering 

1212
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:41,600
and the rewards are huge and I 
wouldn't give it up for 

1213
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:42,280
anything. 
That's good. 

1214
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:43,600
That's a good way to. 
I like that. 

1215
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:47,640
Would I ever go back in time and
say no, I didn't want this to 

1216
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:52,120
happen? 
Oh man, it that's such a, a 

1217
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:56,120
philosophical question. 
And I'm an existentialist by 

1218
01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:59,120
nature. 
And so I have to say I wouldn't 

1219
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:03,680
take it back because I believe 
also that, you know, God has a 

1220
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:09,320
plan for us and we're supposed 
to learn and we're learning and 

1221
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:11,720
growing. 
And that this is I wouldn't want

1222
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:15,400
to be terrified and I wouldn't 
want Carrie to be in pain was my

1223
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:18,200
only thing was I wouldn't want 
her to suffer like that. 

1224
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:22,760
Well, if you wanted anyone 
listening this to take to have a

1225
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:25,880
take away, what would it be? 
I have so many takeaways. 

1226
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:29,960
Safety Hairspray, knives, live 
life. 

1227
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:32,840
Enjoy your time. 
Don't don't waste it on the 

1228
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:34,720
couch. 
Yeah, I mean. 

1229
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:39,760
Yeah, I agree. 
Awareness, education, bring 

1230
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:42,760
every like even like, oh, I'm 
just going to wherever. 

1231
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:44,840
It's like, hey, I'm going to the
supermarket, I'm not going to 

1232
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:46,000
wear my seat belt. 
And then you get in a car 

1233
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:48,280
accident die. 
So it it no matter what you do 

1234
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:51,720
when you leave the house, like I
have a whole like algorithm that

1235
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:53,080
I do. 
I even practice like if 

1236
01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:56,240
something were to happen. 
How about like you said, the 

1237
01:04:56,280 --> 01:05:02,200
other part is that one of my my 
learning things is that last 

1238
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:05,600
year I with with and drew into 
myself and I just couldn't get 

1239
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:08,960
myself out where I had these 
beautiful lady resources 

1240
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:12,840
everywhere around. 
I needed them and I didn't know 

1241
01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:16,520
what to do. 
And with wonderful therapy is 

1242
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:19,960
that today I can be Hey, things 
are happening. 

1243
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:24,360
I need your help so don't walk 
away from the things and the 

1244
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:26,400
people that are so close to you 
that they're going to be there 

1245
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:28,800
and have your side and have your
ass like on a cougar attack. 

1246
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:34,080
I think you got to live life to 
the fullest, you know, Do what 

1247
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:38,960
you want to do now. 
Don't wait till, don't wait to 

1248
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:42,120
be happy. 
People are always like, when I 

1249
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:46,080
get this, then I can relax. 
When I get this goal, then I can

1250
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:47,400
do it. 
No, no, no. 

1251
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:50,040
That's not how life is. 
You just got to do it now 

1252
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:53,400
because we never know, you know,
when our time's going to come. 

1253
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:57,160
And, and that's been my biggest 
take away. 

1254
01:05:57,160 --> 01:05:59,200
And the other one also being 
prepared. 

1255
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:03,600
Of course, I'm into that. 
And like Tish said, if you need 

1256
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:06,760
help, ask for it. 
There's, there are going to be 

1257
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:10,320
mental health implications for 
all of us. 

1258
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:15,720
I think for a while maybe 
they'll come and go, but there's

1259
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:20,440
no shame in getting counseling. 
There's no shame in saying, yes,

1260
01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:23,960
I was diagnosed with PTSD. 
Who wouldn't have? 

1261
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:27,120
You know, it's completely 
reasonable for for that to 

1262
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:29,200
happen and there's no shame in 
it. 

1263
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:31,320
Yeah, yeah. 
Thank you so much. 

1264
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:32,880
For letting us thank you, we 
could talk. 

1265
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:35,320
We like to talk. 
Thank you for letting us tell 

1266
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:37,480
our story. 
I was so excited when you guys 

1267
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:39,560
said yes. 
So super cool. 

1268
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:41,320
It's great to meet you. 
Yeah. 

1269
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:45,920
Well, thanks you guys appreciate
it and yeah, awesome, thanks for

1270
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:47,280
sharing your story. 
Thank. 

1271
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:48,760
You thank you for having us, 
yes. 

1272
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:49,560
Yes, thank you.