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Army veteran Shane Burke and his
new wife were on their honeymoon

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in Wyoming. 
They were also celebrating 

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Shane's recovery from a brain 
tumor. 

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Shane decided to go off on his 
own for a bit to get pictures of

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a rare owl. 
His wife stayed near the vehicle

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and that's when the terrifying 
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All of a sudden I just saw this 
brown cub just run as fast as 

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they can away from. 
Me Shane came up on a mother 

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grizzly in her cub. 
The mother grizzly protecting 

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her cub attacked and severely 
mauled Shane. 

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Felt like I was being tackled by
a linebacker and I just remember

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her driving me by my legs and 
she would just bite, pick me, 

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slam me, throw me all around. 
Oh. 

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My gosh, this is my interview 
with Shane. 

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And you won't believe how you 
was able to escape and survive. 

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Your discretion is advised. 
Well, First off, I want to thank

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you for your service. 
Thanks. 

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And man, what you do is pretty 
amazing. 

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And based on the small amount 
that I know about you, other 

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than the grizzly bear attack, I 
think it's pretty cool. 

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So so you tell me about your 
story when you were in the 

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middle of where were you at? 
And you were, from what I read 

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about you, you were looking for 
a like a certain type of an owl,

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am I right? 
Yes, yeah. 

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So I was looking for a great 
grey owl. 

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I'm a little bit of a bird nerd,
but I mostly enjoy Raptors, 

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Birds of prey, so great Grey Owl
is a a species I've never seen. 

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I know they frequent Yellowstone
Ecosystem, so that was one of 

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the birds that I just wanted to 
check off my list. 

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Where? 
Where do you live? 

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So I live in Western 
Massachusetts, little little 

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town called South Hadley. 
I grew up in Granby, which is a 

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neighboring town. 
It's just South Hadley's a 

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little more affordable. 
So that's where we ended up. 

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We, we're on our honeymoon. 
We had just left, we were on day

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eight of the honeymoon when the 
attack happened. 

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So we had hit pretty much, I 
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trip until we hit the Badlands. 
That was like the first like 

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stop for us. 
So we went to the Badlands and 

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that was great. 
Showed my wife all the spots 

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that I, I went to when I was out
there in 2020. 

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And from there he moved on to 
Yellowstone, which Yellowstone 

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was always like a dream of mine 
to go to something that my dad 

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and I had talked about. 
And he had passed in 2020. 

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So and thanks. 
And I didn't get to go. 

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So when I went down in 2020 to 
out West, it was after his 

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funeral. 
And I had, I was on active duty,

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the Army and I had like 32 days 
of straight vacation. 

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So I was going to do a road 
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I made it to the Badlands and 
then COVID happened and the army

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called me back. 
So I had to go back. 

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And in hindsight, I was kind of 
glad I was really missing my 

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family. 
And I, as much as I wanted that 

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for myself, I was still really 
grieving. 

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So coming home wasn't the worst 
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But a few years ago by I 
deployed to Poland with the army

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right right before Ukraine got 
invaded. 

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And when I got home from that, 
it was discovered that I had a 

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brain tumor. 
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that we would kind of do a 
backyard wedding just to get all

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my ducks in a row in case 
something bad happened during 

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that surgery to remove the the 
brain tumor. 

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It was benign. 
So yeah. 

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So we got married. 
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finally felt like my health was 
in a good place and her health 

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was in a good place. 
And she was about to start 

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nursing school. 
So we decided that we would go 

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on our honeymoon finally. 
And so that's why we went on 

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this trip, although like we 
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cross country trip together, but
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met her, there was always 
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So we just didn't get that 
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So like I said, we hit Badlands,
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You know, it took like maybe two
days to get the Yellowstone from

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there and we camped out, had a 
great time, saw all the animals,

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got my bear fixed. 
I think we saw like 5 or 6 

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grizzly bears. 
Oh man, so I already like. 

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Little foreshadowing. 
Yeah, right. 

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It was really cool 'cause like, 
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the 19th and our plan was pretty
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We're just woke up, made 
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Actually, when I woke up, a wolf
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which was pretty neat. 
Yeah, it was awesome. 

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And my wife is still asleep. 
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And like, I like tried to wake 
my dog was going crazy and I 

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tried to wake her up and she 
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But yeah, just ran right through
our camp, which was pretty neat.

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I had this weird ominous feeling
too when I woke up that morning,

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like just heavy heavyweight. 
I don't know. 

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It was really bizarre and I was 
kind of in a bad mood because 

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of, it was really weird. 
I was being really, really 

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grumpy. 
So anyway, broke down camp, went

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to Old Faithful because 
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seen that. 
So we, we saw that continued 

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South and then had lunch and 
then we stopped at the Signal 

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Mountain Rd. trailhead and 
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We, my wife, my dog and I, we 
all walked up the road for about

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maybe a quarter mile or so. 
Was there anybody else on the? 

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Road. 
Oh, there's so many people. 

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Yeah. 
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Backcountry wildlife safari was 
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It was a guy and two or three 
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And we just had a quick talk 
like they were looking for great

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graves too. 
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see any, but they also didn't 
see any bears or bear sign. 

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And then they asked if I had 
bear spray. 

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And I was like, Yep, it's right 
here. 

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My wife had a bear spray. 
Yeah, I was wearing a chest rig,

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spinal harness, so it was 
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And so, yeah, so we, we, you 
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and I walked up about 1/4 mile, 
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And my wife was like, OK, I'm 
going to turn back around, get 

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tonight's itinerary ready 'cause
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that South and camp out outside 
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So I was like, all right, yeah, 
I'll continue. 

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I'll move, you know, I'll stay 
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bounce on and off the road, 
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And so that's what I did and 
made my way up the mountain, saw

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people out there at one point 
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wooded area where ultimately the
attack ended up happening across

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the road and there was must have
been 15 bikers that came flying 

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by. 
So there's a lot of people. 

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So you. 
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This was like, there's people 
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I got my bear spray. 
Nothing's going to happen. 

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We're just looking for owls. 
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sense of security for sure. 
And I don't know, I just kind of

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kept meandering around. 
I did end up seeing a bird once.

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I got to like, I was not on the 
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was like on a human trail at 
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I remember because I had picked 
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mitten that I found and I was 
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leave it on the trailhead. 
So yeah, I just kind of was 

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going through the woods. 
I set an alarm for an hour. 

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That alarm went off and I was 
like, oh, I need to get back. 

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I told her I'd be gone for an 
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Were you by yourself at this 
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Yeah, yeah. 
So you got very deep. 

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I wasn't deep at all. 
The the furthest away from the 

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road I ever was was a mile, like
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So yeah, so I really wasn't, I 
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And you know, the one, the one 
thing that kind of like made me 

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feel I was like, oh, man, all 
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Is actually on the human trail. 
There's some really old grizzly 

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bear scat. 
And when I saw that I was like, 

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Oh yeah, you're still in bear 
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Like let's, let's wake up and, 
you know, kind of be pay more 

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attention, I guess. 
Not that I wasn't, but I did 

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definitely was like, I need to 
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That's when I started like 
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So anyway, my, my alarm went off
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looked at the map and because 
this wasn't really a planned 

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part of the itinerary, I didn't 
prematurely download the, the 

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map so that I would have like a 
great scale to go off of. 

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But I could see, you know, 
through the pixelated screen you

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parked here. 
So I kind of looked at the, the 

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human trail I was on. 
I was like, OK, if I take the 

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trail and then go down the road,
we're looking at an hour and a 

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half more probably, or I can 
just beeline it and take 40 

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minutes, 30 or 40 minutes and 
I'll be back at the car. 

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So I opted to do that. 
And so I just started going down

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the hill. 
It's like steep at times. 

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And there'd be like open areas 
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valley with a bunch of sage 
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Yep. 
And so, yeah, I just kind of 

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just kept moving. 
And I have a bad habit of just 

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being really fast. 
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to the situation. 
When you're moving, you should 

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in bear country. 
This is the one thing I really 

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didn't know, I guess was it's 
better to move slower, give the 

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bears that time to hear you so 
you're making all this noise and

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stuff. 
But if you're moving just as 

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fast as them, they're not going 
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So yeah, yeah, I didn't really 
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And so basically a certain, I'm 
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where I decided I was going to 
go back to the car to when the 

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attack happened, but it wasn't 
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See, So yeah, I was kind of went
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pretty thick at this point with 
the timber and, and there's a 

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lot of trees and stuff on the 
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And I had just hit this patch of
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I've seen in a little while. 
So I was like, oh, that's cool. 

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There's still snow around. 
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then there's like the hill is 
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So once I walked around the 
steep part of this hill, all of 

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a sudden I just saw this brown 
cub just run as fast as it came 

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away from. 
Me all right. 

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It was. 
Cub. 

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You saw the cub first. 
OK, yeah, so I saw the cub 

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first. 
The cub was about 50 ish yards 

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away, not very far. 
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thing I did was like, that's a 
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And I scrubbed my bear spray. 
It was the first like thing I 

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did. 
And I looked down to take the 

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safety off and I looked up and 
then all of a sudden the mom was

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maybe 10 to 15 feet away. 
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And you know, so when she when 
when I saw her coming, I was 

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just like, no bear, no bear. 
And I like, you know, from what 

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I've researched, it was like, 
you should stand your ground 

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and, you know, make yourself 
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And so I kind of tried calling 
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And all this is happening super,
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So all all these little these 
decisions I'm making are, you 

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know, happening lightning fast. 
And I got the safety off and I 

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went to sprayer and she was like
already basically on her hind 

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legs jumping. 
And I was just like, oh, so I 

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just dove down with her and she 
as she hit me and it literally 

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just like felt like I was being 
tackled by a linebacker. 

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And I still like your. 
Front Was she coming at your 

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front like this? 
Yeah, she was head on almost 

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like out of my 11:00, 
essentially. 

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And so as I dove to the ground, 
she collided with me and just 

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made the craziest sound. 
It was just like, I don't even 

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know it was. 
It was really intense. 

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And she had so much momentum at 
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kept her momentum, went over me,
turned around. 

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At this point I was just like, 
all right, so I just got in the 

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position that they tell you to 
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So you have usually two options.
I laid with my chest and belly 

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on the ground with my hands and 
arms like this behind and I just

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laid flat to the ground and or 
you can get in the fetal 

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position and I, I feel like that
makes you a little more top 

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heavy so it's easier to kind of 
roll you around like a ball. 

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So I that I just didn't do that.
And so at this. 

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Point. 
Hold on, hold on, hold on. 

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How are you? 
How are you having the mental 

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capacity to even think like 
that? 

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Are you are you are you 
literally like like remembering 

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like bear attack one O 1 like 
I'm just going to lay. 

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Flat. 
Like how did that just pop into 

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your head? 
I so on the trailheads there's 

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the kiosks and they tell you 
exactly what to do. 

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And I just, I heeded that I just
did that exactly what they 

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showed on the kiosk and that 
definitely like contributed to 

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me not dying. 
Wow, Yeah. 

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So essentially I just laid there
and just took it for however 

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long it it was happening. 
And I just remember her grabbing

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me by my legs pretty much from 
underneath my butt cheeks down 

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to my the back of my knees. 
And she would just bite, pick 

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me, slam me, throw me all 
around. 

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And I don't like, I think she 
was trying to like, maybe flip 

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me over or, you know, maybe she 
was just, I don't know exactly. 

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But I just knew that I had to, 
like, protect all my soft tissue

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the best I could and not let her
get to my neck if I could. 

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And so she's doing this. 
She bit me three times on each 

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leg, lifted me in the air, 
slammed me down. 

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And then she had me in the air 
by my right leg. 

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And she was, you know, it hurt 
more than the rest. 

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This is like, the first time I 
really felt pain in this whole 

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incident. 
And I just let out like this 

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bloody murder scream 
essentially. 

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And she just kind of dropped me 
at that point and then stood on 

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my back and went for my head. 
And and so thankfully, you know,

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I had the bear can spray, the 
bear spray can still on my 

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fingers, which, you know, I'm 
not afraid to admit this. 

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Like, I had no idea. 
Like that wasn't a planned 

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action. 
It's just thankfully designed to

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have that ring and it'll, you 
know, stay in your hand if you 

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maintain that grip. 
So simultaneously as she went to

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bite my head, you know, she got 
my hand, which is like this big 

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scar here. 
She got my wrist here and she 

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also got the can. 
And definitely if she didn't, if

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that can wasn't there, she had 
100% would have bit right into 

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my head and I wouldn't have made
it. 

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So you know, total chance luck 
that that happened and I'm just 

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really grateful for the design 
of that can did. 

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You did you. 
At what point did you know she 

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bit the can? 
I till after she ran away. 

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So all of a sudden I just heard 
like a pop and then just like a,

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I don't know, like a bunch of 
air escaping from a can, right. 

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It didn't compute that that's 
what it was. 

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I was like, man, that's what it 
sounds like. 

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You get bit in the head by a 
grizzly bear. 

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OK, and then, you know, and I 
felt all this warm sensation 

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flowing down my head and my my 
neck and I was ended up being 

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the cans content. 
But what what triggered me to 

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like realize that she wasn't 
with me anymore was I heard her 

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like pause thundering away from 
me. 

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And I just kind of like did a 
push up real quick and looked up

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and I was like, you're still 
alive. 

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And I just jumped up and I just 
sprinted as fast as I could in 

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opposite direction. 
So so. 

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You were able to walk. 
You weren't like to the point 

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where you couldn't. 
This yeah, so. 

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Nothing's broken or. 
So yeah, so basically what 

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happened was I, I started 
running and it was pure 

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adrenaline, real realistically 
because the, the muscle in my 

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right leg was dangling out of my
leg. 

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I just didn't know I was wearing
pants. 

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And so that was pure adrenaline.
I, I will say like not to like 

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fluff my ego or anything like 
that, but like I hurtled trees, 

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crawled under trees. 
I ran. 

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I thought it was further away. 
But after meeting the Rangers, 

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we discussed, you know, exactly 
how far I ran. 

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I ran a little under 200 yards 
away from the actual initial 

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attack site. 
Oh my gosh. 

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And it was also all uphill. 
So I got to, I got to a point 

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where I at this point I had 
called my wife and told her what

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happened and she started, she 
initiated the rescue efforts. 

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So. 
Was that your first phone call? 

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Yeah, yeah. 
So I called her once and it 

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failed. 
Then I'd like text her just one 

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word attacked. 
And then as I was like hitting 

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send, she called me back, 'cause
I didn't have service like the 

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whole time I was out there. 
But all of a sudden, like, I 

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just got 3G and I was like, 
yeah, I was like, all right, I'm

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going to, I'm going to call my 
wife and tell her I love her 

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because I'm dying. 
Yeah. 

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So we, we discussed, you know, 
what to do. 

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And she's like, you know what to
do. 

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You know, being in the military,
I've, I've taken numerous, what 

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we call combat lifesaver 
courses. 

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So improvised tourniquets 
aren't, there's something I've 

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practiced, you know. 
So essentially she was like, you

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need to, you know, start 
applying tourniquets. 

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And I was like, well, I need to 
get summer safe first. 

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So I got to this plateau on the 
hill and there was I, I could 

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like see in pretty far distance 
all around me. 

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And at this point my adrenaline 
started to wear off and like it 

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started, started to do like 
blood sweeps and realize how 

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much I was bleeding. 
And I like put my hand 

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underneath my butt and I was 
like, that's a lot of blood. 

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It felt like, you know, kind of 
like leave a faucet on a little 

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bit and it just poured like kind
of drizzles out of the faucet. 

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That's what it was like. 
And, and so at that point I was 

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like, OK, I think I can triage 
here and I can see in every 

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direction really far. 
I feel generally safe at this 

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point. 
So I started to just, I took my 

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knife out and I just, well, 
first I filmed the video just 

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saying goodbye just in case I 
did die. 

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Oh. 
My. 

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Gosh, I just got attacked by a 
grizzly bear. 

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I'm I can't stand. 
Oh, if you've seen this, I love 

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you. 
Bye. 

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So you weren't like, this was a,
this was a goodbye video. 

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This wasn't like documenting 
what's going on at all. 

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This is just like, Yep, yeah. 
So I basically I actually 

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released that video on the 
anniversary so that the one year

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anniversary was Monday the 19th.
Oh wow. 

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Anniversary. 
Yeah. 

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Thanks. 
So I actually did release that 

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video and I've, I thought about 
that all year if whether or not 

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I would release that. 
And I just felt like it would 

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give context to like where I was
at in my mindset and that 

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situation, how calm I actually 
was. 

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And cause a lot of people are 
like, yeah, not that important, 

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but a lot of people are talking 
a lot of trash on the Internet 

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and. 
Oh wait wait, they were talking 

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a lot of trash about you on the 
Internet. 

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Oh, yeah, yeah. 
Why? 

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Oh, we can get to that after, I 
guess. 

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But essentially just just troll.
Trolls are gonna be trolls. 

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I don't know. 
Like you did something wrong. 

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Like you deserved it. 
Like. 

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There was a lot of that. 
There was a lot of. 

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There's one guy. 
One guy was saying that he heard

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me. 
He was there next to the Rangers

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and he heard me crying on the 
radio. 

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And I'm like, what? 
I never once cried. 

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Dude, I don't know what you're 
talking about. 

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This is really bizarre. 
It people are weird. 

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Internet's weird. 
It's yeah. 

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I know how that goes. 
I got a few. 

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Trolls. 
I understand. 

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Yeah. 
So I made the video just to kind

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of say goodbye just in case. 
Like I I felt like I was OK, but

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I also was, I never like, went 
unconscious, but I did get real 

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fadi at times. 
And I was extremely dehydrated 

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because I lost my water bottle. 
And yeah, so I basically applied

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some tourniquets. 
I didn't even know my shoulder 

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was broken. 
I, I knew like my arm, there's 

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something wrong. 
My arm, I couldn't really 

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maneuver it well. 
I'm taking my jacket off was 

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really hard. 
But so I applied two tourniquets

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to my left leg and one 
tourniquet to my right leg. 

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And it seemed to do the job 
because like after I applied the

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tourniquets, I moved. 
And then, you know, when the 

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little bit before the Rangers 
got there, I moved again and 

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there's a lot less blood under 
me. 

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So they were doing something I'd
like to think I knew it wasn't. 

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I wasn't bleeding from the 
arteries, so that was good. 

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It was just like a deep, dark 
red, you know? 

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So yeah, I kind of just sat 
there and I was on the phone 

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with my wife a lot. 
She was kind of trying to 

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coordinate. 
Unfortunately, my cell phone 

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wasn't functioning as Agps 
really well. 

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So I would give them coordinates
and they're like how? 

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Did you know your coordinates? 
Through Onyx, but because 

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because the service just wasn't 
good. 

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It was just dishing out false 
coordinates. 

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And so like she's on the, you 
know, she's standing there with 

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the Rangers. 
They're like, there's no way 

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he's there. 
Like that's nowhere near here. 

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So essentially my wife was like 
just you need to call 911, get 

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on the phone and dispatch her. 
They're going to talk to the 

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helicopter and we're going to 
try to get you that way. 

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And so that's what I did. 
I talked to a dispatcher. 

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She was really helpful pretty 
much right away. 

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She's like, hey, we're going to 
put the helicopter in the air. 

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Can you hear it? 
And I was like, can I hear? 

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I can see it? 
And they're like, oh great. 

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Like, like give me some 
directions on where they need to

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go. 
I was like, if they stop right 

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now, turn to their 3:00 and fly 
straight, they're going to 

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basically fly right over me. 
And so that's what they did. 

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And they flew right over my 
right shoulder. 

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And of course I'm like, stop, 
stop, stop, stop. 

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And so they, they stop and then 
they circle and then finally, 

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like I heard that like I'm, I'm,
you know, waving to them and 

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stuff. 
I was like, they're right there.

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They're right over my, like 
they're just to the South of me.

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And basically I was like, I 
started to kind of crawl to 

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them. 
And then I heard the dispatcher 

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say, Oh, they, they see you, 
they see you stay put. 

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And then they're hovering over 
like a field kind of, or like an

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open area. 
So I was like, I wonder if 

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they're going to land like maybe
or drop a bass, like maybe I 

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should just crawl to them. 
So I started crawling to them 

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and and then I heard my name and
then a Ranger was coming towards

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me. 
And so he connected with me and 

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I hung up with the dispatcher 
and then they just started 

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triage, started working me. 
And that's why that was the 

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first time I felt safe because 
like, as soon as he touched me, 

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all of a sudden it was just like
Rangers everywhere and 12 gauge 

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shotguns. 
And I was like, hurry. 

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Up there from. 
The. 

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Point from the point of the 
attack to the point of where the

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Ranger touches you. 
Just a little, little less than 

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two hours. 
So you, so you had been how long

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did the attack? 
How long if you could? 

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I know, obviously time. 
Barely. 

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Yeah, barely a minute. 
Like it was maybe somewhere 

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between 60 to 120 seconds. 
Wow, so. 

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It happened to everything. 120 
seconds of your life. 

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Yeah. 
I mean, everything about it 

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happened so fast. 
It was remarkable and like it. 

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Yeah. 
I mean it. 

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It was insane. 
Did it feel? 

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Fast and during the attack it 
feels slow like it felt like 

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slow motion. 
Yeah, it felt like, felt like 

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slow motion, felt like an 
eternity. 

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Yeah. 
It felt like hours had gone by. 

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I don't know it it was it is 
pretty crazy. 

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But then once it was over, I was
like, oh, wow, like that was 

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violent and crazy. 
And you know, like I when I the 

446
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:48,160
first thing I did was just run 
and at a certain point, like 

447
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,560
when I started to kind of like 
touch myself, I saw my hand and 

448
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,720
that was the first thing I saw. 
And I'm not sure if you saw the 

449
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,360
picture, but it was a pretty 
good wound. 

450
00:24:56,360 --> 00:24:59,840
And when you see that you're 
just like, I mean, I don't want 

451
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:01,000
to know what the rest of me 
looks like. 

452
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,960
So they worked me. 
It took about 45 minutes maybe 

453
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,680
to get me airlifted. 
They had to make make sure I was

454
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:12,640
stable. 0 pain meds they got, 
you know, all the Ivs ready. 

455
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,640
They. 
Zero pain meds. 

456
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:16,200
Why? 
Why? 

457
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:17,920
Why 0 pain? 
Meds, they weren't, they weren't

458
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,760
sure when I was going to go into
surgery, so they couldn't really

459
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:26,640
give me much of anything. 
So that's when they, they just 

460
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:30,200
started packing me with gauze. 
Every hole that she created was 

461
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,680
just stuff. 
I think one of them said they 

462
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,480
they put over 40 feet of gauze 
in me. 

463
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,240
Oh my. 
Gosh, what was your what was 

464
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,040
your pain tolerance like during 
that? 

465
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:44,600
I would say like you know, post 
attack when I'm applying 

466
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:48,280
tourniquets, I really wasn't in 
a lot of pain. 

467
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:52,720
The shoulder was in a lot of 
pain once they got to me and 

468
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,880
they started like moving me a 
lot and packing me. 

469
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,440
That's when I started to like, 
really, I'm like, wow, this all 

470
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,040
right. 
My adrenaline's going down and 

471
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,040
I'm now I'm really feeling all 
of this. 

472
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,200
And it was just like, man, I 
mean, every time they, they 

473
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,760
rolled me over and they're like 
up there's a hole here. 

474
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,800
There's a hole there. 
And it's just, Oh my gosh, yeah.

475
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,920
And that was really painful. 
Like getting packed with gauze 

476
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:17,920
is not fun. 
And I, I know that not by 

477
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:21,320
experience prior to this, but 
you know, they when we're, when 

478
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,640
I'm taking these classes, that's
something they talk about that 

479
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,760
like your patient or you know, 
it would be your, your battle 

480
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,080
buddy. 
You know, when you're, when 

481
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:30,960
you're doing this for them, 
they're going to be in a lot of 

482
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:32,520
pain. 
They might try to fight you, but

483
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,680
you just got to do it. 
You just, and if you think 

484
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,640
there's enough guys in there, 
there's probably not. 

485
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,600
It's kind of what the soft rule 
that they taught us in combat 

486
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:46,200
life saving course. 
But yeah, so they basically 

487
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:51,120
wrapped me up in this burrito 
device that like basically 

488
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,600
compacts you. 
You can't move an inch inside of

489
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:57,800
there. 
They lowered a device down from 

490
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:02,560
the helicopter and Lexi was one 
of the genuine Lake Rangers. 

491
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:06,800
She clipped in and clipped me 
in, and then we got airlifted 

492
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,840
out of there. 
They call it a short haul. 

493
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:14,800
So essentially they flew me from
the triage site to a parking lot

494
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,800
where the ambulance is waiting 
for me because I was stable, so 

495
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:19,760
there's no reason to fly me to 
the hospital. 

496
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:50,200
I guess 
that's a ambulance and all the 

497
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:55,800
rubber neckers were there 
waiting for me and, and then 

498
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,800
they loaded me into the 
ambulance and that was the first

499
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,600
time I was able to see my wife. 
And that was just like a I'm a 

500
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:06,000
very like in these moments, I 
just don't really show a lot of 

501
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,280
emotion. 
And so like she walks in and I'm

502
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:12,600
just like, don't cry, don't cry,
just I'm going to be OK. 

503
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:17,160
We're going to be OK. 
And you know, she, I didn't 

504
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,080
realize that we were going to be
there for so long. 

505
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,720
So I was like, all right, get 
out because I want to go to the 

506
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:32,800
hospital. 
Hi, baby. 

507
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:34,760
It's your dad. 
Yeah, he's back safe. 

508
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:36,520
Yeah. 
It's like, I like, I was like, 

509
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,640
get out of here. 
And then one of the Rangers came

510
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,040
in, and he was the lead 
investigator of the incident 

511
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:42,760
itself. 
So like, when these things 

512
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,200
happen in national parks, there 
is cause for legal 

513
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,800
ramifications, like if you're 
harassing a wildlife. 

514
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,640
So they got to do their due 
diligence to figure out whether 

515
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:58,200
or not I was being a nuisance or
if that's a nuisance, bear and 

516
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,600
address it accordingly. 
So there are legal implications 

517
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,800
for this if you're found, you 
know, to be guilty of it. 

518
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,400
Thankfully, I wasn't 'cause I 
told him the truth. 

519
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,840
I showed him all my data, 
everything, like I wasn't hiding

520
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,160
anything. 
So. 

521
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,480
How, how soon after the attack 
are they doing this 

522
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,880
investigation on you? 
So they they initially started 

523
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,320
it right away. 
He asked obvious questions like,

524
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,240
hey, like, what kind of bear was
it? 

525
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:25,400
I was like, it was a grizzly 
bear. 

526
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:29,800
How do you know it's like big 
brown bear, big hump, like very 

527
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:34,080
aggressive, like I've run into 
hundreds of black bear, like I 

528
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:35,280
know what a black bear looks 
like. 

529
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,800
So and that's, that's kind of 
it. 

530
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:40,600
And he's like, what was you just
wanted to like get an 

531
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:41,960
understanding. 
And I was like, well, there's a 

532
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:43,520
cub. 
Like she was protecting her cub.

533
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:48,960
I knew that right away. 
So he wanted to take some 

534
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:53,520
pictures of my wounds. 
And so he came in and I was also

535
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,800
buying new covered in bear spray
still. 

536
00:29:55,880 --> 00:30:00,080
So that was that was honestly 
what I was feeling pain wise. 

537
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,480
That's that was the worst part. 
The wounds, whatever, they all 

538
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,120
sucked. 
But the bear spray wasn't really

539
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,240
affecting like my lungs or 
anything like that. 

540
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:13,280
But it was really, really rough 
on my skin and I was just, my 

541
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,480
skin was just on fire and was it
going into. 

542
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:18,240
Like the cuts and stuff like 
that too. 

543
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,000
I. 
Didn't really notice. 

544
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,680
It was just like getting into my
pores. 

545
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:27,520
The ambulance, because I was at 
such a high risk of shock. 

546
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,600
The ambulance was, the heat was 
turned up all the way. 

547
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,560
So like I got in there, it was 
an inferno. 

548
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:41,000
So I started sweating profusely.
And so the Ranger came in and 

549
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,120
he's like, can I take pictures 
of your wounds? 

550
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,480
And I'm just, I'm kind of a 
people pleaser sometimes. 

551
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:49,280
So I was just like, sure, dude, 
that's what you got to do. 

552
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,560
And then I was like, this sucks.
But he like he just like lifted 

553
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,200
the sheet up and was like, Oh 
no, we got to repack all these 

554
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,520
wounds. 
And I'm like, what do you mean? 

555
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,800
Dude, just get me to the 
hospital. 

556
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,800
So they take all the gauze out 
and repack every wound. 

557
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,080
So I don't understand. 
They finally gave me some 

558
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,120
fentanyl just a little just to, 
you know, take the edge off. 

559
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,760
But they're like, we really 
can't give you a lot because we 

560
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,680
don't know if you're going into 
surgery so or when you'll go 

561
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,840
into surgery. 
So yeah, so that was that. 

562
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:26,520
We drove down to the hospital in
Jackson Hole and amazing people 

563
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:27,200
there. 
I. 

564
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,040
Think it's like 45 minutes, 
maybe a little, a little less 

565
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:38,200
than an hour. 
So we get down there and just 

566
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,560
instantly, like obviously they 
were ready for me. 

567
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:45,840
I show up and there's probably 
1214 nurses and staff and 

568
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,640
doctors waiting for me and they 
just instantly just start, you 

569
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:53,400
know, look looking at 
everything, taking pictures, 

570
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,720
just kind of come up with a plan
to address the issue. 

571
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,640
Unfortunately, because this is 
probably a little after 5:00 at 

572
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:07,760
this point, maybe hard to say. 
So I don't, I don't think I went

573
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,040
into surgery until 8:00 PM some 
sometime around then because I 

574
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,200
had had lunch. 
So they're like you need to wait

575
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,440
a little longer before we can go
in. 

576
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:21,160
So anyway, yeah, and that's kind
of the gist of it. 

577
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,840
Mostly, I was only there for a 
night. 

578
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,920
The next day I got released, but
I had to stay in town because, 

579
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:33,400
like I said, they were doing 
that investigation and I didn't 

580
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:37,120
have my phone or my camera. 
And so they kind of came in to 

581
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:38,800
my whole. 
So we had to get a hotel room. 

582
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,600
And so they came into the hotel 
room 2 days after the attack and

583
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,680
we're like, we'd like to go 
through your phone, look at your

584
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,960
pictures, look at your camera 
pictures, make sure you weren't,

585
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,200
you know, harassing the bear. 
And I was like, Yep, whatever 

586
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,080
you need. 
So I gave him all my pictures. 

587
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,560
Who does that happen? 
Who's going to harass a grizzly 

588
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,760
bear in the middle of nowhere 
when you're by yourself? 

589
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,200
Yeah, it's very slick. 
It does happen. 

590
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,680
And that's, you know, I don't, I
can't fault them for it, you 

591
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:11,520
know. 
But yeah, so I mean, doesn't it 

592
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,120
just seem? 
Doesn't it seem a little weird? 

593
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:14,800
I don't know. 
To me that just seems odd, like.

594
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,040
It is odd it that's. 
Your is that really your concern

595
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:19,920
right now? 
Is that, is that the concern? 

596
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,040
We're going to be worried about 
harassing a bear? 

597
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,600
And I don't think they were 
worried about that necessarily, 

598
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,920
but they got to figure out like,
why this happened, right? 

599
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:31,320
So they got to make sure that, 
like, this bear isn't a bear 

600
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:35,240
that has attacked other people. 
They got to make sure, you know,

601
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,360
they got to make sure that the 
bear is acting in a natural 

602
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,640
capacity, right? 
Because if it was acting 

603
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,560
abnormally, like it just went 
after me to eat me or kill me, 

604
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,120
that's a bad bear. 
They got to deal with it. 

605
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,720
So but if I put myself in that 
position, which I obviously did,

606
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,120
but if I were like neglectfully 
putting myself in that position,

607
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,920
which I wasn't, then that's a, 
you know, a discussion that 

608
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,240
needs to be had. 
So I showed them all my 

609
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,200
pictures. 
I showed them all my data, like,

610
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,600
you know, because obviously, 
like when you take a picture on 

611
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,480
your phone, it shows you exactly
where you were on the map. 

612
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,280
So I showed them all that and 
they were satisfied. 

613
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,199
You're like, we're not getting, 
you know, no need to keep you 

614
00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:10,639
here any longer or anything like
that. 

615
00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:12,080
You know, I'm really sorry this 
happened. 

616
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,520
I still talk to some of them to 
this day. 

617
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,760
Oh wow, that's cool. 
Yeah, really incredible people. 

618
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,600
Yeah. 
So that's, that's the, that's 

619
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,760
the attack. 
What's what's life been like on 

620
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,159
the back end of this whole thing
for you? 

621
00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:30,639
What was recovery like for you? 
Recovery is hard. 

622
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,840
At first I was having tremendous
nightmares. 

623
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:43,120
I literally would not sleep. 
I would basically stay up all 

624
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:47,920
night till 67 AM and then 
finally be tired enough to 

625
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:56,480
sleep. 
I physically I it was hard like 

626
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,200
my legs ended up being just 
fine. 

627
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,200
Everything was fine. 
The broken shoulder was pretty 

628
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,680
crazy. 
But the, the one thing that I 

629
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:06,360
will say like where I, you know,
it is what it is and it's, I'm 

630
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:11,000
not mad about it, but like they 
didn't take X-rays to see what's

631
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,480
going on in my arm. 
And you know, I had complained 

632
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,600
about it saying my arm is pretty
messed up. 

633
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,960
Obviously the first thing to 
tackle is just all the open 

634
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,560
wounds, clean them, stitch them 
up or staple them. 

635
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,040
And they never even looked at my
arm. 

636
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:30,520
And so the next day when I was 
getting released, I actually 

637
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,680
like had this big bulge sticking
out of my arm. 

638
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,760
And the nurse was like, has that
always been like that? 

639
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:39,840
And I was like, oh, my God, no. 
I was like, what's going on with

640
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:41,160
my arm? 
And she's like, it looks like a 

641
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:42,800
dislocation, but let me, you 
know. 

642
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,760
And so they, they, you know, the
ortho came in. 

643
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,280
He's like, ah, it's just 
dislocation. 

644
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:48,600
I'm like, all right. 
He's like, go see your ortho 

645
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:50,160
when you get home. 
Cool. 

646
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,600
So it took, you know, we took 
our time going home. 

647
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,560
We still drove home. 
And oh, my gosh, yeah. 

648
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,840
So two weeks later, I'm at the 
VA getting the staples removed. 

649
00:35:59,920 --> 00:36:02,920
And I was like, you know, at 
this point my arm, I'm already 

650
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,160
able to basically move my arm, 
but I couldn't lift it past 

651
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:10,560
this. 
And the Vapa, she was like, I 

652
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,040
was like, oh, OK, thank you for 
everything. 

653
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:13,800
I'll see you later. 
She's like, no, no, no, you're 

654
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,400
going to ortho right now. 
She's like, look at your arm. 

655
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:21,280
So I was like, oh, OK, sure. 
And I go in there and I look at 

656
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,360
like at the first X-ray, I look 
at the screen and it's just a 

657
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,280
tiny little screen and go, 
that's broken. 

658
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,880
And the tech is like, I can't 
tell you whether it's broken or 

659
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:31,760
not. 
That's not my job. 

660
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:33,560
And I'm like, Oh no, that's 
broken. 

661
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:36,880
You're like, I can tell you it's
broken. 

662
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:41,760
Yeah, so it was broken and I 
needed a pretty serious surgery 

663
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:45,680
again. 
So essentially when she, my 

664
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:49,400
theory is 'cause like she bit 
down through my trap and up 

665
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:53,040
through my lat and so I have 
this giant scar in my lat and 

666
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,000
then I have this big scar up 
here in my trap. 

667
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,840
And I think when she bit down, 
she probably like did some 

668
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:03,360
torquing and that snapped my 
acromion process, which is like 

669
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,440
the very end of your shoulder, 
which just has it's basically 

670
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,160
anchor point for all your 
connective tissue. 

671
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:14,800
And so that was just completely 
obliterated, non existent, not 

672
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,640
connected whatsoever to 
anything. 

673
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:18,960
And then my clavicle was all 
separated also. 

674
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,360
So like, you know, now I look at
it like my breast was hanging 

675
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:26,560
down like like this. 
It was just, it was all crazy. 

676
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:29,800
So yeah. 
How are you today? 

677
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:35,880
I'm OK. 
Monday was kind of tough, just 

678
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:41,760
weird and bizarre. 
It's like I'm really grateful to

679
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,080
be alive. 
And, you know, I'm not afraid to

680
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:45,840
admit it. 
Like I've had being in the 

681
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,640
military, having deployed to 
Iraq, and I've had complications

682
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:57,520
of, you know, I like, you know, 
it's not uncommon for service 

683
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,920
members to be suicidal at one 
point or another. 

684
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:03,360
And so there are there are 
points in this healing process 

685
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,160
where I definitely got some low 
points. 

686
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:09,760
And Monday, I just felt 
extremely grateful that I'm 

687
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:20,160
still on this earth and that I 
get to still have my body, you 

688
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:24,400
know, like I'm just really 
thankful that all these people 

689
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:30,480
rushed to save my life and, and 
keep me alive and that, you 

690
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,720
know, I've had to like maybe 
redefine some relationships with

691
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,720
rock climbing and hunting and 
stuff. 

692
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:42,160
But I'm learning how to 
appreciate those relationships 

693
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,680
again. 
It's been hard. 

694
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,240
I was very, very athletic before
this happened. 

695
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,240
You know, the brain tumor really
took me down a notch. 

696
00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:52,600
And then this really took me 
down a notch. 

697
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:56,840
And I just tell myself everyday 
like, it could have been so much

698
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:00,000
worse. 
And, you know, I'm, I'm not 

699
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:05,400
religious at all. 
And so I just got to look at 

700
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:11,200
this as, you know, I'm one of 
the luckiest unlucky people out 

701
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:15,440
there. 
And it's it's just a total, 

702
00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:22,160
yeah, I don't know. 
I just, I feel so incredibly 

703
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:27,120
fortunate to still be alive. 
Are you in any type of therapy 

704
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,920
at all from I mean obviously 
physical therapy for a while I'm

705
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,720
sure, but what about like mental
therapy do you see in? 

706
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:34,360
A second interest. 
Anything in all you get. 

707
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,560
Any groups PTSD type stuff or? 
Yeah. 

708
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:41,000
So I mean, I've, I've been in 
therapy for six years now. 

709
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,720
So I've been working with, I've 
had a couple different 

710
00:39:45,720 --> 00:39:49,480
therapists in that period, but 
unfortunately just lost my 

711
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:53,120
therapist, the doge. 
So you have yeah, I can from the

712
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:57,880
this current administration. 
So I'm currently without one. 

713
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:01,280
But I think we left off in a 
good enough place that I have 

714
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,520
still have resources even though
he's no longer my therapist. 

715
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:13,440
With that said, it was pretty 
funny when I got home because I 

716
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,680
kind of got frustrated when I 
was coming home, traveling home 

717
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,880
after the attack. 
And reading all this false 

718
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,280
information out there about my 
situation. 

719
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:29,000
So that's that was one reason 
why I came clean like just flat 

720
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,120
out was like, I'm the guy that 
got attacked. 

721
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:37,160
Here's my story from the source.
Take it you know as you will and

722
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,440
so. 
Where was the false information 

723
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,560
coming from? 
There, I mean this guy made a 

724
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:48,160
YouTube video like the day after
it happened about me and I was 

725
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,360
like, dude, that is not factual 
at all. 

726
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:54,040
OK, so some guy was like, I 
here's a here's a video. 

727
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:55,200
I think I'm going to get clicks 
on. 

728
00:40:55,240 --> 00:40:57,240
It's a bear attack video and he 
just created something and it 

729
00:40:57,240 --> 00:40:59,360
wasn't at all what happened. 
OK, interesting. 

730
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:04,240
It's not that it wasn't at all. 
It's it's that he took the very 

731
00:41:04,240 --> 00:41:07,560
limited amount of information 
that was actually out within 

732
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,320
that first 48 hours and made a 
video based off that 

733
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,200
information. 
And a lot of that information 

734
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:17,920
had matured over time before by 
the time I came out with 

735
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:24,520
everything. 
So with that said, like a lot of

736
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,600
his details were very vague and 
just like kind of made painted 

737
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,520
me to look like this idiot that 
was out in the woods had no 

738
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:34,120
business being out there. 
I was unprepared in certain 

739
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,320
aspects, which we can definitely
touch on, and I was very well 

740
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:41,160
prepared and not only that, like
I knew what to do in a situation

741
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,680
and a lot of what I did 
contributed to me not dying. 

742
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,480
I, I gotta imagine that you were
probably one of the most 

743
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,240
prepared people. 
I mean, there's people that will

744
00:41:50,240 --> 00:41:52,080
probably give you a hard time 
for saying, well, you should 

745
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:53,440
have been carrying a firearm or 
something. 

746
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,840
Well, obviously you're in a 
different state that it is, who 

747
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,320
cares, right? 
You had bear spray, you had it 

748
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:00,680
in the right spot. 
You were able to get it out, 

749
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:04,400
which every person that I've 
spoken to and I've talked to 

750
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,360
probably I've interviewed. 
You're my third grizzly bear 

751
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:11,520
attack survivor. 
I've spoken to probably 9 or 10 

752
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:15,360
so far. 
I think you're the only one that

753
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,760
was able to get to bear spray 
like as the person who is being 

754
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,600
attacked. 
So I think you've you were 

755
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:24,920
pretty prepared. 
Somebody who's got military 

756
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,080
experience, somebody who 
understands how to take care of 

757
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:33,640
wounds, somebody who read the at
the trailhead, the, you know, 

758
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,480
the, the sign that said this is 
what you do in a bear attack. 

759
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,200
Like nobody reads those. 
You read it right. 

760
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:43,520
Like you, you were able to 
understand, to lay flat, to put 

761
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,640
your, to play dead, to put your 
hands in the right spot. 

762
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,760
They have bear spray. 
I mean, if anything, you were 

763
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:53,080
more prepared than anybody I've 
ever spoken to. 

764
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,640
So that that blows my mind. 
Yeah, it was. 

765
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,160
That was it. 
That stuff didn't really affect 

766
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,600
me too much like the, the haters
and stuff, but it was just like,

767
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,520
dude, like you're always going 
to have trolls, you know, that 

768
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:05,600
having this big of a platform 
that you have. 

769
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:12,920
So I, I had, you know, came out 
with my story and I wasn't sure 

770
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,440
if I was going to and then I 
just decided to do it. 

771
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:20,960
And I mean, then I became viral 
and it was like overnight I had,

772
00:43:21,720 --> 00:43:24,440
you know, I went from 2000 
followers on Instagram to 

773
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:28,880
15,000. 
And that was something I'm, I'm 

774
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:34,120
not a private person, but I also
like, definitely. 

775
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:36,800
Do you like to fly under the 
radar, if you will? 

776
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,600
I'm not. 
Yeah, I'm a ham. 

777
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,800
But you know, I, I kind of still
like, I'm not used to this. 

778
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:44,480
Yeah. 
I'm not used to posting 

779
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,240
something now. 
And like, I, you know, I get the

780
00:43:47,240 --> 00:43:50,640
opinions of 1000 people almost 
instantly. 

781
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:52,680
It's really bizarre. 
It's something I'm not used to 

782
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:57,080
at all, even a year into this, 
but yeah. 

783
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:02,280
Well, it's interest. 
It's the, I mean, the, the 

784
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:07,360
squeaky wheel, it's, it's like 
the, there's 99% of the people 

785
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,160
that are on your side, just so 
you know, and it's just, it's 

786
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,320
the one or two that say 
something stupid and that just 

787
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:13,680
somehow sticks in the back of 
your head. 

788
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,320
That happens to me all the time.
I see those kind of comments all

789
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,600
the time. 
But I'm going to just tell you 

790
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,240
right now, I've spoken to a lot 
of people, like I said, that 

791
00:44:21,240 --> 00:44:24,160
I've had similar situations. 
And this isn't just bear tech 

792
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,360
victims. 
This is just across the board. 

793
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,560
You were pretty freaking 
prepared and you're a pretty 

794
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:34,960
amazing guy for coming out on 
the other side and being as 

795
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:40,360
together as you seem to be in 
this interview, as I can tell 

796
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,880
right now. 
And I mean, you know, when the 

797
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,280
camera's off and you know, 
you're by yourself and you're 

798
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:48,880
thinking about that you're 
having those nightmares, maybe 

799
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:50,160
you feel like it's a different 
story. 

800
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:57,440
But I think that and the fact 
that your wife is an EMT, right,

801
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,000
right. 
I mean, it couldn't have been 

802
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,280
more obviously the bear. 
We wish that hadn't happened, 

803
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:05,920
right? 
But it none of this could have 

804
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,320
been more in your favor. 
I don't think I, I got one 

805
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,240
question for you though, like 
if, and I ask everybody this in 

806
00:45:11,240 --> 00:45:16,760
these situations and I, I'm, I'm
just curious, but if, if you 

807
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:22,960
could go back to that day and 
just peel this portion of that 

808
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:27,440
day out of your life completely?
Like if you could just, you 

809
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:32,160
know, wipe away, erase the bear 
attack, would you do that? 

810
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:37,720
Or has this maybe sort of 
brought a new trajectory into 

811
00:45:37,720 --> 00:45:42,720
your life that maybe you maybe 
wouldn't be where you are today 

812
00:45:42,720 --> 00:45:49,240
for some reason? 
It's a really good question. 

813
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:58,360
And if I could take it back, I 
mean, it's definitely like it's 

814
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,640
giving me character, but it 
hasn't. 

815
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:03,520
It hasn't. 
It's taken more for me than it's

816
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:08,400
given me, for sure. 
You know, my shoulder's still 

817
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,200
not there. 
Rock climbing is incredibly 

818
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:13,760
hard. 
I love rock climbing and it's it

819
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,360
has, you know, like I said, I 
have this new relationship with 

820
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,040
it, which I just have to accept.
And that's OK. 

821
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,440
I'm on the other side of those 
bad feelings because of this. 

822
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:27,320
But I guess I wouldn't take it 
back because I just, I truly 

823
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:31,800
believe in not doing that. 
Like, I think, you know, I do 

824
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:35,880
think everything happens for a 
reason and maybe that the reason

825
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,480
for this just hasn't manifested 
yet. 

826
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:45,000
And, you know, one thing that I 
think this has done for me 

827
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:49,400
personally is just kind of 
really giving me a platform that

828
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:53,000
people might listen to me when I
talk about the needs for better 

829
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:54,560
conservation and stuff like 
that. 

830
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,880
I love animals. 
I've always loved animals. 

831
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:03,440
You know, like, I want to do 
something good with this. 

832
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:07,680
I just don't know how yet. 
And we'll cross that bridge when

833
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:11,800
we do, So I wouldn't change it 
just because I do think that 

834
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:15,160
there's something in store for 
me in the future because of 

835
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:16,400
this. 
I just don't know what yet. 

836
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:20,160
Yeah, for sure. 
I, that's pretty much the same 

837
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:25,440
answer I get from everybody. 
You know, I, I mean, what I, 

838
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,040
what I've heard from most people
that have had situations like 

839
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,320
yours is that the PTSD is the 
worst part of it and. 

840
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:31,920
I don't know. 
If that's true for you at all. 

841
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:36,800
But they've had some pretty, 
pretty, pretty tragic post 

842
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:40,520
traumatic stress disorder. 
From everything, I, I definitely

843
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:45,800
have a cabinet brain and I'm 
really good at 

844
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:50,480
compartmentalizing based off my 
childhood and just being in the 

845
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,760
military and all those, these 
hardships I've had to endure. 

846
00:47:54,720 --> 00:47:59,000
So I really worked hard with my 
therapist on not locking this 

847
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:03,080
away too, too much. 
He, he did bring up a really 

848
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:07,320
good point on that. 
He was really concerned that I 

849
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,640
was putting up this front 
because I was doing so many 

850
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,000
interviews and just retelling. 
So it's retelling. 

851
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,480
My story's been therapeutic. 
But he's like, now you've just 

852
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,480
regimented it and he's like, 
have you actually truly 

853
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,040
processed it? 
And yeah, I don't know the 

854
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,760
answer to that. 
It comes up in weird times, you 

855
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:27,600
know, I mean, it's every day. 
I think about it literally every

856
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:29,880
day. 
I'll be driving and then like 

857
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,520
the hairs of my neck will stick 
up and I'll go like, I'll just 

858
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,240
think to myself, like, that 
didn't happen. 

859
00:48:35,240 --> 00:48:36,960
There's no way you survived 
that. 

860
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:41,840
Like, and I, I replay everything
in my head and like, but it, it 

861
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,600
did. 
And like I just, it's a really 

862
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:49,120
bizarre, complex thing to walk 
away from, like nearly dying. 

863
00:48:51,240 --> 00:48:54,440
The the cool thing, I guess, is 
I've connected with a lot of 

864
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,680
Fair attack survivors. 
Actually, I've met one. 

865
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:01,440
There's actually another guy 
that lives in Massachusetts who 

866
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,000
was attacked 20 years ago who I 
haven't connected. 

867
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,920
Like we haven't met yet, but we 
plan on, you know, grabbing 

868
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:11,440
dinner together soon. 
The guy that was attacked, I was

869
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:15,920
attacked in May and he got 
attacked in Alaska in August and

870
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:17,600
accidentally shot himself in the
leg. 

871
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,280
His name's Tyler. 
He lives in Austin, TX. 

872
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,160
I have family in Austin. 
I went down there last year and 

873
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,040
and I just like reached out to 
him. 

874
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:27,440
He was like, hey man, you want 
to get a beer? 

875
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,200
And we talked and compared 
stories and. 

876
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,240
How was? 
That it was incredible. 

877
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:34,680
It was very therapeutic, I. 
Think somebody somebody finally 

878
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,600
gets it right. 
Yeah, 'cause you can regurgitate

879
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:40,800
the story so many times when 
you're looking a human in the 

880
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:42,320
eyes. 
That's like not only experienced

881
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:46,560
it, but experienced it like four
months ago, right? 

882
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:48,600
And then I experienced it six 
months ago. 

883
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:54,200
Like it was incredible. 
And we talked about daily, but 

884
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:57,280
weekly still. 
And it was funny 'cause he 

885
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:58,720
actually. 
So they came in. 

886
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:02,960
You want to go to Glacier? 
And I'm like, let's pump the 

887
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:03,760
brakes. 
I'm not there yet. 

888
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:07,880
I was like, yes, I do just not 
have. 

889
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,080
You been? 
Have you been back out into bear

890
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:16,160
country? 
So we, we were flown out to back

891
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:20,640
to Jackson Hole by ABC and they 
did a special on the on the 

892
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:24,440
story on ATV show called Hearts 
of Heroes. 

893
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:31,240
And that was pretty cool. 
They basically flew us out, my 

894
00:50:31,240 --> 00:50:34,240
wife and I out there. 
And then we got to meet all the 

895
00:50:34,240 --> 00:50:36,800
Rangers that, well, not all of 
them, but most of them that were

896
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:41,040
were there that day. 
And that was incredibly 

897
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:44,160
validating. 
And they got the bear spray can 

898
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:46,960
actually let me go get. 
Yeah, go grab it. 

899
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:51,240
Yeah, go grab it. 
So that whole experience was 

900
00:50:51,240 --> 00:50:56,840
incredibly validating and I was 
extremely nervous because these 

901
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:59,560
are the people that saw me on 
probably one of my worst days 

902
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:04,440
ever of my life. 
And I know what it's like when I

903
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:06,040
have to go do my job in the 
Army. 

904
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:11,800
So I'm I'm a mechanic, but also 
a Hemet wrecker operator. 

905
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,520
So when somebody gets their 
truck stuck in the mud, I go 

906
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:17,760
pull it out with a wench. 
If they roll it over or 

907
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:21,080
whatever, like I'm the recovery 
guy, I get a little salty when I

908
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:24,640
go do my job. 
So I, I was kind of like, yeah, 

909
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:25,880
what do these people think of 
me? 

910
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:29,080
And I was so nervous, so 
freaking nervous. 

911
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:33,400
And they all just were smiling 
ear to ear and just so happy to 

912
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:38,000
see me. 
And they all were just so nice. 

913
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:43,160
Big old hugs. 
There's 11 Ranger in particular 

914
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:45,800
who I felt like I, at least for 
me, I really bonded with Her 

915
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:49,520
name's Isabelle. 
And she was there like she's a 

916
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:54,680
Navy veteran and she was right 
here on my left side working me.

917
00:51:55,240 --> 00:51:58,360
And she was just really cool. 
And I just, I don't know, I felt

918
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:00,400
really connected with her. 
And so it was really important 

919
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:04,000
to see her. 
And she couldn't get to the 

920
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:07,120
visit until the very end because
she actually had to go on a call

921
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:08,600
where a guy was having a heart 
attack. 

922
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,640
So, and she, she was really 
great. 

923
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:17,920
So I was really happy to see her
and reconnect and talk. 

924
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,960
But yeah. 
So this is the the can here. 

925
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,240
You can see a big hole in it. 
Oh, my gosh. 

926
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:29,960
So it was, oh, my gosh, you 
know, behind my head like this, 

927
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:33,400
I I think. 
And that's kind of how she got 

928
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,160
right there. 
Oh, my gosh. 

929
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:38,280
Yeah. 
That's crazy. 

930
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:44,320
Oh. 
My gosh, but this is product of 

931
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:48,800
UDAP. 
So I'm trying Mike, I think is 

932
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:55,680
the owner's name and he he 
actually reached out and gave me

933
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:59,680
a phone call and we talked. 
So he he was a grizzly bear 

934
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,920
survivor and the grizzly bear 
attack survivor. 

935
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:06,320
He was bow hunting with his 
friend and he got mauled by I 

936
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,400
think a ma, a sow with her cub 
also. 

937
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:15,360
And what saved his life was back
then the spray technology was 

938
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:18,320
basically pepper spray. 
So it was a liquid form and his 

939
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:20,840
friend came running over with it
and it was only a little, little

940
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:22,720
can and he sprayed her in the 
face. 

941
00:53:22,720 --> 00:53:25,480
And that's what saved his life. 
And so after that he dedicated 

942
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:30,160
his life to making the most 
potent form of bear spray. 

943
00:53:30,240 --> 00:53:34,720
So that is this and it's the 
most potent one on the market. 

944
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:37,520
So that's. 
Crazy. 

945
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:41,280
How's your how's your family? 
Good. 

946
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:45,080
It was, it was very, it was 
traumatizing. 

947
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:56,320
We we're very stoic people, not 
the most like it's weird. 

948
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:59,000
I don't know. 
I didn't grow up like with a 

949
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:02,000
father that said I love you and 
showed any emotion or anything 

950
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,240
like that. 
And so it's kind of how we all 

951
00:54:04,240 --> 00:54:06,200
are. 
They're all just really happy 

952
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:08,320
I'm alive. 
And we just, we don't really 

953
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:15,040
talk much about it. 
It, it comes up sometimes, but 

954
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,840
it's, yeah, it's kind of kind of
something we don't really, we 

955
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,160
don't talk about too, too much. 
And, and I won't bring it up, 

956
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:22,040
but if someone else brings it 
up, I'll talk about it. 

957
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:24,720
But I'm not, well, I, you know, 
so. 

958
00:54:24,720 --> 00:54:27,160
But they're good. 
You know, the wife, it was hard 

959
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:29,360
for her. 
She had an insane amount of 

960
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:34,320
survivor's guilt, even though I 
didn't perish, but she still 

961
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:36,240
felt like she should have been 
there. 

962
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:41,160
And it, it, you know, it's hard 
for her to accept that, even 

963
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:45,040
though like it, if she was 
there, who knows how that could 

964
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:48,440
have played out differently. 
And I tried, you know, we're, 

965
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:50,040
we're obviously over this hurdle
now. 

966
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:52,680
But I always was trying to tell 
her when it first happened was 

967
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:54,720
like, we don't know how it could
have happened. 

968
00:54:54,720 --> 00:54:57,600
We don't know what have happened
because a year before my 

969
00:54:57,600 --> 00:54:59,920
incident, a couple and their dog
was killed. 

970
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:04,360
That could have been it, you 
know, And like, I just. 

971
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:07,640
And what if Cadence was there? 
I mean, that dog is one of my 

972
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:09,480
best friends. 
Like, I don't know what I would 

973
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:14,160
have ever done if I got either 
of them into danger like that, 

974
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:17,120
you know? 
So that that was probably the 

975
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:22,000
hardest thing for a while. 
It was just her and I somehow 

976
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,880
coexisting. 
Not mad at each other, but mad 

977
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:28,480
at the situation. 
And yeah, it was. 

978
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:33,400
It was pretty rough for a while.
Man, but I, I think you've got a

979
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:43,720
pretty incredible story that 
man, I, I, I mean, I, I, I've, 

980
00:55:43,720 --> 00:55:46,040
I've been in a situation where I
had to get rescued. 

981
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:54,800
But your, your situation, I feel
like you have this ability to, I

982
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:57,800
think help people in this 
situation that have been through

983
00:55:57,800 --> 00:55:58,800
this. 
And I think that there's a 

984
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:02,520
future ahead of you, probably 
one that maybe you don't even 

985
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:04,400
see yet. 
You know, I think that you're 

986
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:07,120
probably going to have some 
pretty cool opportunities, 

987
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:11,920
unfortunately out of a bad 
situation, but I think it's 

988
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:13,520
going to turn into something 
good for you. 

989
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:16,480
And I, I think that's something 
to look forward to for you. 

990
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:22,800
And man, I'm so impressed with 
you because you're, you're, I, 

991
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:26,640
I, I want to reiterate, you're 
the only person who was as 

992
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:29,000
prepared as you were. 
One guy had the bear spray in 

993
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:30,480
the bottom of his backpack, 
right? 

994
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,960
Another guy couldn't at all get 
to his bear spray. 

995
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:38,120
His buddy got to his bear spray 
and sprayed the bear off of him.

996
00:56:38,240 --> 00:56:40,600
I mean, I I can't. 
I'm trying to. 

997
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:45,360
I think in, almost in, yeah, 
Todd, I think yeah, he he 

998
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:46,920
definitely had it. 
He was prepared. 

999
00:56:47,240 --> 00:56:49,360
I've never talked to Todd. 
I know who he is. 

1000
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:51,080
I'm talking about the guys that 
I've talked to got you. 

1001
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:55,720
But I yeah, the ones that I've 
spoken to you, you're by far the

1002
00:56:55,720 --> 00:56:57,240
most prepared out of all of 
them. 

1003
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:02,000
And I mean, I, I think you've, I
just lift your head up a little 

1004
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:06,680
bit. 
Man, I'm a yeah, I don't know. 

1005
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:13,400
I'm I'll I'll take I'll take the
criticism. 

1006
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:16,000
It is what it is. 
And you know, the whole gun 

1007
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:20,160
verse this or that, like you 
know, that's. 

1008
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:23,080
That's neither here nor there. 
Who cares man? 

1009
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:26,200
Who cares? 
It it, yeah, it is what it is 

1010
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:28,640
and I wouldn't say, I wouldn't 
say. 

1011
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:32,880
I do wish I had another can 
though, 'cause knowing like when

1012
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:36,760
I was up there alone, like at 
this there, I, I let go of this.

1013
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:39,920
I didn't even know like, yeah, 
they had to recover at the scene

1014
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:44,160
of the, the, the attack. 
But when I was up there alone 

1015
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:48,440
and all I had was my knife, I'm 
like, man, if she comes back 

1016
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:50,920
because she, So what happened 
was like, she actually ran 

1017
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:54,720
towards the road, right? 
So I was only, I, I want to say 

1018
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:58,560
it was like 600 yards away from 
the road when the attack 

1019
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:01,880
happened. 
And then I ran like diagonally 

1020
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:05,120
up and somehow got about 900 
yards away from the road where I

1021
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:11,000
was rescued. 
And so she, I was always super 

1022
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,600
concerned that somebody, because
I knew she ran towards the road.

1023
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:15,400
I knew, I knew where the road 
was. 

1024
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:18,040
I just knew she went that way 
and I wasn't going that way 

1025
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:21,560
either. 
And so that's why I ran back the

1026
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:23,280
opposite direction further into 
the woods. 

1027
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:28,240
And so I constantly was sitting 
there with just the knife in my 

1028
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:31,760
hand, just like, is she going to
come back this way because it's 

1029
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:33,040
someone going to spook her to 
me? 

1030
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:34,880
Or if the Rangers are coming 
from the road, are they going to

1031
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:37,320
spook her towards me? 
You know, and then I'm looking, 

1032
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:41,040
I'm like, I see a tree with some
branches that maybe I can get up

1033
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:43,600
or, or is this really my last 
stand? 

1034
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:47,560
I, I just didn't know. 
So I would say I, I do wish I 

1035
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:52,000
had a second can like even in my
backpack or something, you know?

1036
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:57,560
But yeah, so. 
You're the you're not the first 

1037
00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:00,080
person to say that. 
I've heard that too, that people

1038
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:01,720
wish they would have had a 
second can with them. 

1039
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:03,680
That's really interesting to 
hear cause a lot of people won't

1040
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:04,960
even bring it, which I. 
Think is. 

1041
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:07,200
Mind blowing. 
I don't understand. 

1042
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:08,920
Absolutely. 
That's stupid. 

1043
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:12,480
Yeah. 
You didn't do anything wrong. 

1044
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:15,040
You were doing everything right.
There's a lot of people that go 

1045
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:19,600
out in the middle of nowhere. 
Man, I think, I think your story

1046
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:21,680
is pretty incredible. 
I know you're not a religious 

1047
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:23,200
person. 
I am a religious person. 

1048
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:26,120
I think God's got a plan for you
and a plan for this whole 

1049
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:29,480
situation and whether this 
happened for a reason. 

1050
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:36,680
You know, I obviously did. 
But I think, man, that's a very 

1051
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:38,920
incredible story. 
So I mean, I just appreciate you

1052
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:40,480
sharing it with me. 
Thank you. 

1053
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:42,600
You you got an Instagram, you 
said, right? 

1054
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:43,720
Do you want people to follow 
you? 

1055
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:45,040
This. 
You want to shout it out? 

1056
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:47,080
I mean, I'm, I'm an open book 
man. 

1057
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:53,480
It's, it's no beef Stew for you.
So it's just an N 0 beef Stew #4

1058
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:56,160
and then the letter U. 
Yeah. 

1059
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:59,040
So, yeah, thank you for having 
me on here and giving me a 

1060
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:02,000
platform to tell my story. 
And I just hope, you know, that 

1061
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:05,640
people can learn from it. 
Read the kiosk, you know, bring 

1062
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:08,840
a first aid kit. 
Maybe a SAT phone if you want, 

1063
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:11,400
if you do, if you get out 
enough, SAT phone's not a bad 

1064
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:14,520
choice. 
But I mean, it's almost hard to 

1065
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:18,120
find no service these days, but 
it's those pockets exist. 

1066
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:27,120
I was in one and yeah, just, you
know, just take take the risks 

1067
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:30,800
that are that are worth it to 
you and have fun out there and 

1068
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:33,320
it's it's a beautiful world to 
experience. 

1069
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:38,120
So don't, don't let my situation
scare you because I, I would 

1070
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:42,240
definitely, you know, go back 
out there once I can afford to 

1071
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:44,480
and I can't wait for that day 
so. 

1072
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:46,320
Awesome. 
Well said. 

1073
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:47,480
Well said. 
Thanks, Shane. 

1074
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:48,080
I appreciate. 
You. 

1075
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:48,880
Yeah. 
Thank you.