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And so I grabbed that rope and 
as soon as I realize I'm not 

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going to be able to, I just 
like, let go and let myself go 

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over the Cliff. 
And I just remember thinking 

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this might be it. 
I might die. 

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He was like Savannah's been in 
an accident and I don't have any

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other details. 
You just need to get home. 

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All I know that she is a like a 
status Charlie at. 

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What point did you realize my 
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Honestly, it's kind of crazy. 
I think I accepted it when I was

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in the Canyon because I knew I 
was paralyzed and I told myself 

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I'm like I my future is going to
be in a wheelchair. 

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Your Echo, like you're pretty 
much already dead. 

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Delta is like you're in really 
bad shape, probably not going to

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make it. 
Charlie is like it's bad, worse 

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than a broken arm, but like 
they're OK, but it's still 

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pretty bad. 
I've got fusions so rods my 

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back, it's called T6 down to L4 
which is 10 vertebrae. 

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So my whole back is basically 
used at this point. 

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You know you're paralyzed. 
Yeah. 

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Is there? 
How are you able to stay so 

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positive the time? 
Honestly, like what what you 

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don't know what life's going to 
look like. 

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You don't know the challenges 
yet in front of you. 

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I think that also helps, 
honestly. 

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Like, I have no idea what this 
is going to look like, but we'll

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find out. 
So I. 

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Only know bits and pieces of 
your story. 

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I, I, I know, I want you to tell
it how you want to tell it. 

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I don't want to be the one 
telling your story. 

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I think that's I want you to 
have the place, the platform to 

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be able to do that. 
But you're repelling. 

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Were you canyoneering? 
Canyoneering. 

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OK, yes, which I've done a few 
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OK. 
It's the coolest. 

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Thing Where were you? 
Robert's Roofs. 

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In Utah. 
In Utah, yeah. 

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What park is that in? 
That's it's not like it's not 

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really in a park right outside 
of Canyonlands, OK. 

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And it's right in between Goblin
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BLM land and it's free. 
That's why it's very popular 

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'cause you can go do this LA 
Canyon. 

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It's super cool for for free. 
OK. 

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Yeah, yeah, Park or anything. 
Or like to have a spot there and

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usually honestly we're the only 
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never seen another group there 
with us except for the day of my

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accident. 
Really. 

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Wow. 
Yeah, and the day of my 

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accident, there's actually three
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us, which is kind of crazy. 
So take me through this day. 

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So it started how this all 
began. 

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Also, his family introduced me 
to Canyon area. 

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I didn't do it beforehand. 
He introduced me to all the cool

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stuff. 
That's why I'm so cool now. 

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But his father-in-law is in 
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our church and our our section 
of the area always does all the 

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cool stuff because we always go 
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with our group. 
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to take other areas and go to 
canyoneering. 

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And so Seth and I have done had 
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times together. 
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we've been married. 
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groups before, we're always in 
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it's just something we've been 
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What does that mean? 
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So in Robber's Roost there are 4
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then you go down the first 
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you're in the Canyon. 
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you get to the second repel and 
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then there's four of them. 
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cliffs by the time you're done, 
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go to the cars. 
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like. 
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of us if we would work the 
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Seth is going to be gone on a 
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I would be happy to help with 
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one for each repel. 
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Robbers Roost and like I said, 
we've never seen anybody else 

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there before and there's two 
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really odd, but. 
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Like, yeah, pretty big groups. 
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probably 14 people. 
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Like the one right ahead of us 
and then the people before then.

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I don't think there was many in 
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of them. 
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hike to get there. 
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repel and then I'm just hustling
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I can get the second repel set 
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Also, one of my family friends, 
Slash, the Barney's family 

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friend that they grew up with, 
he was going to be working the 

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second repel with me 'cause he's
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in the past. 
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And because there are groups 
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wait for the other group to get 
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can set up our gear. 
So they get done finally and we 

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set up the second repel and I'm 
just going to take you through. 

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There are two types of anchors 
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repelling. 1 is a bolted anchor 
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bolt into the Canyon wall and 
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The 1st 2 anchors of this 
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natural anchors, which a natural
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a wedged within a boulder or 
like a stack of rocks is on top 

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of the webbing and that's going 
to hold the, the anchor for you 

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or yeah, the anchor for you. 
So how it works with canineering

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or repelling is you have this 
anchor, you connect your ropes 

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to this anchor and then you 
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And with this group of people, 
we had a lot of people there 

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that day. 
It was like honestly 40. 

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Of us were there that day. 
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And so. 
It was really hectic. 

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It was really hectic, Yeah. 
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though, you know, I enjoyed. 
It excited, really fun, but 

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you're just like hey, don't get 
too close. 

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To the edge you've. 
Ever done this before? 

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Yeah, and a lot of people are 
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their first time doing it, which
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I'm like, this ruined it for 
that. 

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They're gonna be so scared the 
rest of their life. 

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But really like anyway, so. 
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with rappelling 2, you have 
someone more experienced to go 

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down first. 
That way they know how to break 

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with their hand when going down.
And the first person going down 

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becomes the belayer, which means
all the new people, you know, 

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they'll freak out sometimes and 
let go of their break hand. 

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If that happens, you can pull on
the rope at the bottom and it'll

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stop them where they're at. 
And so the plan is our family 

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friend is going to go down first
so that he can be at the bottom 

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to belay the the rest of the 
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And I'm going to be up top 
connecting everybody to their 

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bully devices. 
And so we get it all set up. 

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We throw the ropes over and in 
this specific repel, there is an

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awkward part where you're you're
going over the edge of the Cliff

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and then you kind of just get 
thrown against the Canyon wall 

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because it dips under and the 
way it dips under. 

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A little, yeah, you're going 
out. 

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There's like a cut under, so 
you're going to end up swinging 

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out. 
And it the way it is, it just 

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throws you against the rock 
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So he starts going over and he 
gets to the part where it throws

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you to the wall. 
And at that point there was this

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loud noise that came from the 
anchor that was there, and the 

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boulder that was holding the 
webbing in stood completely up. 

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The webbing to the anchor came 
out and beforehand too. 

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I connected myself to the anchor
for safety. 

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Where are you right now? 
So I'm up top, I'm up top 

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watching him going down because 
I'm going to be the one reaching

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over, pulling the rope. 
He's on his way down, but you're

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getting ready to go down, so 
you're not connected. 

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Is that what I'm understanding? 
Well, I'm not getting ready to 

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go down because I'm going to 
connect all the kids to their to

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the ropes so that they can go 
down. 

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And so I'm going to be up there 
the whole time getting everybody

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down over the over the edge. 
So I connected myself to it for 

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safety since I'm going to be the
one bending over the Cliff, 

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pulling up the ropes. 
And in case I fall over for 

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whatever reason, that safety, 
it's called a Daisy chain where 

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I connected myself to the anchor
that will just hold me. 

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So I'm not like, fully falling 
over the Cliff. 

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So when that anchor came out, he
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And because I had connected 
myself to the anchor for safety,

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I got catapulted over the Cliff 
with him. 

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Yeah. 
Wait. 

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Hold on, are you? 
Are you on the boulder that's 

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coming? 
Up. 

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I'm not on the boulder, I'm just
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Cliff. 
So this boulder, I'm right here.

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Here's the boulder. 
This boulder stands up like 

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this. 
The webbing comes out. 

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that whole webbing came out. 

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And because I connected myself 
to that rope, I get pulled over 

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like this. 
The boulder stands back down and

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we both go over the Cliff. 
So just kind of a crazy freak 

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accident that just happened. 
And so my thoughts in the 

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moment, I remember hearing that 
loud noise and I knew what was 

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happening. 
I was like, this anchor is 

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coming out. 
And so it's crazy because people

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say things happen in slow motion
when something like that 

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And it's so true. 

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I had so many thoughts within, 
like just a blink of an eye 

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pretty much. 
So that anchor comes out and I 

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remember grabbing onto my rope 
because for whatever reason, my 

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mind, I'm like, I can hold this 
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And so I grabbed that rope. 
And as soon as I realized I'm 

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not going to be able to, I just 
like let go and let myself go 

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over the Cliff. 
And I just remember thinking 

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this might be it. 
How high were you? 

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I might die. 
It was 30 feet. 

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Oh my. 
Gosh, so I mean, it's not the 

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tallest Cliff. 
Thankfully, he's like. 30 feet 

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is a pretty good distance. 
But it's still a pretty good 

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distance. 
Yeah, enough like. 

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And the Canyon walls are really 
skinny. 

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And so it's like in my head, I'm
thinking like I could catapult 

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against the rock, like hit my 
head, get a brain injury and 

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die. 
I don't know. 

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There's just like so many 
thoughts going through it and I 

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just remember thinking this 
might be it. 

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You had those thoughts as this 
was happening, yes. 

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Oh my gosh, like, like I said, 
it was like I had a million 

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thoughts within just a blink of 
an eye. 

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And so I go over the edge and I 
remember looking and seeing the 

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ground and I closed my eyes 
before I hit the ground. 

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And I remember thinking when I 
closed my eyes, I'm like, OK, 

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I'm still thinking. 
So I'm going to open my eyes and

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I'm either going to see Jesus or
I'm going to see some dirt. 

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And in my mind too, I'm like, 
I'm not in any pain at the 

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moment. 
Like I knew there was an. 

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Afterlife, you know, like that's
like what I'm thinking at this 

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point. 
And so I opened my eyes until my

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relievement. 
I see Dirk 'cause I remember 

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thinking. 
I'm not ready to be gone though.

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And so I open my eyes and I see 
dirt. 

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And I was really relieved. 
And so I was an X-ray tech at 

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the time. 
I'd seen a lot of accidents come

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into the hospital. 
You know you. 

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I also have worked in the 
medical field since I was 18. 

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I talk with my hands a lot. 
Anyway. 

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And so I gave myself some 
concussion questions. 

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I'm like, is my head OK? 
Like, did I hit it on anything? 

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So I was like, OK, I'm Savannah 
Barney are. 

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You in pain? 
At the moment, no. 

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I'm like, I'm Savannah Barney. 
I'm at Robert's Roost. 

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It's probably about 1:00 PM 
right now. 

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I just went over a Cliff and I'm
like, OK. 

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I'm thinking like I, I think I'm
good that way. 

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And so then I'm laying also I 
landed face down. 

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So I'm looking at the dirt and 
so I like my arms are out like 

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this. 
And I just remember like, OK, 

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did I break any bones? 
And so I start moving my arms. 

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Nothing hurts. 
And so I was like, wow, I I 

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think I'm good. 
And so I went to go stand up and

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I pushed my body up. 
And at that point, I realized my

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legs weren't following me. 
And so I laid myself back down 

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and I was like, I think I'm 
paralyzed. 

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You knew. 
Yeah, I knew. 

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And so I I remember I like 
touched my side as I'm like 

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facing down and like started 
running my hand down my body and

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I'm like feeling like something 
but I can't tell that it's me. 

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And so I didn't, I couldn't feel
anymore either. 

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And so I remember, even like 
you. 

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Have no feeling in your? 
Legs. 

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I have no feeling in my legs. 
Yeah. 

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And so I remember, like, tapping
myself. 

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And I was like, am I touching me
or am I touching something else?

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And so I, like, ran my finger 
down again. 

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I'm like, it's definitely me. 
And I can't tell that it's me. 

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And so I knew I was paralyzed. 
And then I think to myself, OK, 

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my friend Bronson just fell with
me as well. 

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And so I reached out and I 
grabbed his hand and I was like,

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Bronson, how are you doing? 
And he told me I'm doing pretty 

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good, but I think I broke my 
wrist. 

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And he holds up his wrist. 
And I don't know if you've seen 

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Harry Potter where his arm is 
like an S His hand looked like 

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that. 
And I was like, oh, you 

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definitely broke your wrist, 
Bronson. 

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Yeah. 
And he's like, how are you 

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doing? 
I told him I'm doing pretty good

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but I can't feel my legs and we 
need to get life light here. 

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They're not moving. 
How far did he fall? 

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He was not much like 25 feet, so
he wasn't much different than I 

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was. 
And the way he fell was 

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different than how I felt 
because he is coming down like 

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this. 
So he fell pretty vertically and

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he landed on his back and also 
like his wrist out obviously as 

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well. 
But he had a water bladder in 

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his backpack, and that water 
bladder kind of caught his fall 

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a little bit for him, which was 
like really such a blessing. 

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Yeah, he still had a couple 
broken vertebrae. 

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Yeah, he tracked a couple 
vertebrae as well, and so he was

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in a back brace for a few weeks 
afterwards. 

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But yeah. 
And then tell him about your 

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front flip. 
Yeah, And then I I front flipped

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over the Cliff and so I remember
going over, I blacked out for a 

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second and so how I fell is I 
landed face first actually like 

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this. 
And then my body followed and it

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was that scorpion motion at high
end. 

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Did you hit your head? 
Yeah, I did. 

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Like landed on your head. 
I landed on my face. 

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Like you can see, I haven't 
watched the video. 

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But. 
There's a video, There's a video

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of it. 
Oh man. 

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Yeah, I haven't seen it, but 
there's a. 

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Video and I I landed face first.
Who was videoing? 

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One of the guys, one of my 
friends who was up top, it was 

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his first time doing it, so he 
just wanted to take a video to 

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like for memories. 
Like it was my first time 

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repelling. 
Let's take a video of this. 

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And so there's a video of the 
whole thing happening. 

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Oh my gosh, yeah. 
Neither of us have seen this 

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video, by the way. 
Yeah, but parents have and 

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anyway, so I landed face 1st and
I scorpioned it. 

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That's what broke my back. 
So Bronson calls up and he lets 

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them know we need to get life 
flight here. 

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And in that moment, I am a 
religious person and so is my 

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friend Bronson. 
And I just asked him if I could 

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have a blessing because I knew 
that I just like I need some 

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help. 
And he gave me a blessing. 

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And I just remember thinking 
back on a blessing that I had 

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previously that just talks about
me having a life with children 

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and like having a happy life 
with the family pretty much. 

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And I was like, OK, I'm not 
going to die. 

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And so I just thought about 
that. 

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And I was like, I think I'm 
good. 

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And I felt so much peace in that
moment as well. 

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After that, too, is when a lot 
of other miracles started to 

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happen. 
So as I had mentioned, there was

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a group in front of us that day,
and there were two people left 

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who had not gone down. 
The third repel, which was like,

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right. 
The second and third repel are 

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really close to each other. 
And so these two people, they 

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run back to me. 
And they were the guides and the

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group that was in front of us. 
And both of them just happened 

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to be wilderness EMTs. 
Yeah. 

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And so they come up to me and at
this point to my chest starts 

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feeling super heavy, like I feel
like a £500 person is sitting on

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my chest. 
And so it's getting hard for me 

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to breathe a little bit as well.
So they come up and I remember 

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them asking me, do you feel 
this? 

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Do you feel this? 
And I was like, are you touching

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me right now? 
And they're like, yes, I'm like,

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I don't feel it then. 
And so they're like going up my 

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body. 
Do you feel this? 

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Do you feel this? 
And they cut my harness off and 

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I remember one of them lift up 
my shirt a little bit and I had 

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this hump in my back from my 
spine sticking out. 

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And he, I think he was trying to
keep me calm because I remember 

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him whispering like, OK, I need 
you guys to look at this to 

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like, see how serious this is. 
And I was like, I know I broke 

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my back. 
I'm paralyzed. 

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And so anyway, he puts my shirt 
back down. 

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And I like I said, my chest was 
feeling so heavy at that point. 

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And so I asked them if they 
could log roll me up against the

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Canyon wall. 
That way I'm not laying on my 

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chest to hopefully help me 
breathe. 

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And so they log roll me against 
the wall, which did help because

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I'm no longer inhaling dirt too 
because I'm face down and but my

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chest was still feeling so 
heavy. 

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And just later on, I did find 
out that I had broken several 

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ribs and they punctured both of 
my lungs. 

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And so my lungs were filling 
with fluid and blood at that 

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point. 
And that's what the heaviness of

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my chest was. 
So they were able to get to me. 

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And there's also no phone 
service at this point either in 

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the screen. 
And so there was the iPhone 15 

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had just come out at that point 
and the iPhone 15 has a 

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satellite phone like a satellite
feature part of it. 

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And so they were able to text 
life flight OK and let them know

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that we they need to get there. 
How? 

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Long did that take for them to 
get there. 3 1/2 hours, yeah. 

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Yeah, that's actually pretty 
good. 

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Yeah, it was pretty good. 
To be to be in communication 

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with, you know, emergency 
services within minutes of her 

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having, you know, having fallen 
is also pretty amazing 

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considering they're in a pretty 
remote area of Utah in a slot 

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Canyon to get to her from a 
helicopter is going to be, I 

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mean, the Hoyer lift was a 
couple 100 feet long. 

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And so shout out to the, you 
know, medical services of the 

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world. 
It's amazing that she could have

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that accident and be in 
communication and life lighted 

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out of that remote area within, 
you know, under 4 hours is 

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pretty awesome. 
Yeah, it's pretty amazing. 

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So then also at that point there
was a nurse that was in our 

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group who got lowered down to me
as well. 

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And while we're waiting for live
flight, she's like sitting there

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and holding my hand and she 
starts like asking me questions.

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I can tell she's trying to keep 
me awake and like just alert as 

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well. 
So she's asking me questions and

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my chest just keeps getting 
heavier and heavier. 

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And I remember at one point I 
was like, Mindy, I love your 

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questions, but can we do yes or 
no questions because. 

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Like I'm running out of breath 
here. 

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I'm like I'm having a hard time 
answering you. 

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You're in all this pain and 
you're still polite. 

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Yeah, she yeah. 
And so she just starts asking me

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yes or no questions. 
And at this point, I remember 

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hearing helicopters arrive and 
this is probably like an hour 

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and a half after my accident. 
And so I hear helicopters arrive

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and you know, you, you hear them
fly over and you get like a 

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they're, they're, they're going 
to get me. 

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But then they fly back and the 
noise stops and then they fly 

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over and then they fly back. 
And I just like every time I 

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would be so excited that they 
were there and then they'd go 

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away, then they'd come and then 
they'd go away. 

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And it turns out they, the 
helicopters had shown up. 

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They didn't realize the 
situation, how severe it was, 

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and they didn't have a Hoyer 
lift on their helicopter, so 

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they had to call another 
helicopter to get them there. 

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And when the other helicopter 
got there, they hadn't really 

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located me yet at the time 
either. 

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And so the only reason that they
knew that they had to get 

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another like this Hoyer lift 
helicopter is by talking to 

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people who had been there with 
me when I went over the Cliff. 

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Because at that point, the whole
group had been able to climb 

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back out of the Canyon and 
started going over to. 

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Who's left? 
Who's left with me is my friend 

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Bronson, the nurse, Mindy, and 
one of the EMTs. 

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The other one had left to keep 
going down with his group that 

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they had brought with them. 
They kept repelling. 

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They kept going down repelling, 
yeah. 

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Bunch of new people. 
No, like, I mean, yes, they the 

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group that they had with them. 
So it was probably like 10 other

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people did keep going and 
repelling 'cause they had been 

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down the third repeal at that. 
Point, my gosh, what do you 

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think the fear level of them 
would have been at that? 

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Point Yeah, I do have a story 
about that later too, so. 

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But her just to clarify the the 
the entire group that was with 

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her, because she was technically
second, but first and second 

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were down. 
She felt the entire group ahead 

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of them were able to hike out of
the first repel and just go out 

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of the Canyon backwards. 
So they didn't finish the 

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Canyon. 
The group ahead of her was were 

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the people that. 
Finished the Canyon. 

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How long did it take that second
helicopter to get there? 

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I mean, you hear the you hear 
the helicopter. 

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It's gone. 
Yeah. 

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What? 
What's the time frame? 

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So between that first helicopter
getting there and that second 

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one was probably about another 
45 minutes. 

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And then they hadn't really 
located me yet. 

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And so then I hear more flybys. 
So a helicopter comes and then 

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it goes, and then it comes, then
it goes. 

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At this point I'm like, are they
going? 

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To like, ever get to me at this 
point? 

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But I remember I was closing my 
eyes because at this point I'm 

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really just focusing on 
breathing. 

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I'm like, OK, breathe in, 
breathe out, breathe in, breathe

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out. 
And I remember this other flyby 

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happens. 
And every time a flyby would 

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happen, like some rocks would 
get thrown into the Canyon 

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because like of the wind of the 
helicopter. 

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And so every time that would 
happen, this sweet nurse would 

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like lean over my face to cover.
It from. 

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The rocks hitting me in the 
face. 

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And so this flyby happens and 
then this nurse looks me in the 

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eyes and she's like, they're 
here. 

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And I just remember like that 
relievement feeling. 

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And I was like, I'm going to be 
OK, I'm going to make it. 

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And so this guy that got lowered
down to me, he brings over, it's

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called the basket. 
And basically it's just a 

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sleeping bag that like gets 
wrapped around you and there's a

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backboard underneath it. 
And so he brings that up. 

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And I remember this is like the 
first time I felt pain in my 

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back because they had to roll me
onto this hard back surface in 

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this sleeping bag basket. 
And I remember like my back just

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hurts so bad because I had that 
hump in my back. 

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So you're on your back, You're 
not like on your stomach on this

448
00:24:08,120 --> 00:24:09,360
thing. 
Right, yeah, I'm on my back on 

449
00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:11,960
this thing. 
So they they rolled me from 

450
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,600
being up against the wall like 
this to being on this basket. 

451
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,760
And I was like, that hurt. 
But I'm like, but I'm warm now 

452
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,480
because being down there for 
that long, there's no sun 

453
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,240
hitting down there and it gets 
pretty cold. 

454
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:29,920
So they get me in this basket 
and I remember feeling warm and 

455
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:34,680
then they bring me up out of the
Canyon and I was like, I just 

456
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:39,680
hit my deductible is. 
That what you were thinking? 

457
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:40,360
Really. 
Literally. 

458
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,880
And I told him that. 
I told him that I was like, 

459
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,800
there goes my deductible. 
They put me in that basket and 

460
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,520
that got a that covered it. 
And so they pulled me out of the

461
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:57,520
Canyon and I they set me down on
the ground next to these two 

462
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,960
helicopters are that are there. 
So at this point it took three 

463
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,600
helicopters to get to Savannah 
cause the first one came and 

464
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,560
they started locating her and 
realized we don't have a Hoyer 

465
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,080
lift. 
And then the second one with a 

466
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:11,080
big Hoyer lift came and then 
they brought like the Speed Life

467
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,600
Flight helicopter there. 
So the one that lifted her out 

468
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,080
and dropped her down and the one
that took her from the Canyon 

469
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:18,960
over to the hospital were two 
different helicopters. 

470
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:19,840
Oh wow. 
Yeah. 

471
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,760
So lots of money there. 
What hospital did you end up at?

472
00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:26,160
Utah Valley Hospital, which is 
in Provo, Provo, UT. 

473
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,600
So they sent me down and they're
assessing me. 

474
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,120
They have like this portable 
ultrasound where they're 

475
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:37,640
checking my lungs and organs and
they're like, kidney looks good,

476
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,960
liver looks good. 
And anyway, I remember them 

477
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:45,440
saying that they can't find my 
pulse and I'm completely like 

478
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,520
awake and aware. 
And what had happened is I had 

479
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,600
internal bleeding from my back 
breaking, and so my pulse had 

480
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,560
become really weak and they 
couldn't even find it. 

481
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,160
And I'm like, well, I'm alive. 
I'm talking with you. 

482
00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:58,800
Like I think I'm. 
Fine. 

483
00:26:01,120 --> 00:26:04,160
And so at this. 
Point I'm pretty much ready to 

484
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:08,800
be sent to the hospital and they
there was like this little 

485
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:13,360
kerfuffle going on between the 
medical staff because the basket

486
00:26:13,360 --> 00:26:16,480
that I got put into came from 
Bridgefield, Utah. 

487
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:22,560
And live flight, if it comes 
from that place, they have to 

488
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,400
keep it at that place. 
And so they're like we ought to 

489
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:30,080
take her to Richfield Hospital 
and then we can fly her to 

490
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:34,200
whatever hospital we need to. 
And there was this nurse there, 

491
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,440
her name's Heather and she is 
just a boss lady. 

492
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:42,840
And I remember her looking at 
these like 5 men who are having 

493
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,800
a fight over where I'm going to 
be sent at the moment and she 

494
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,960
was like I don't care who I have
to talk to, she's going to Utah 

495
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:51,520
Valley. 
If there anyone who has a 

496
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:52,880
problem they can talk to with 
me. 

497
00:26:53,360 --> 00:26:55,600
And I was like, thank you, 
Heather. 

498
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,760
Yeah, It was pretty awesome. 
I was like, girl power right 

499
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:00,480
there. 
I love it. 

500
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:07,560
And. 
So they, they also put, I think 

501
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,320
I was on fentanyl too. 
They I finally got drugs. 

502
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,360
So I was feeling good. 
I'm like, let's go. 

503
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,600
I'm ready. 
And so they get me in the 

504
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:21,720
helicopter, and it's a really 
tight space. 

505
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,400
There's the pilot of the 
helicopter, and then there's me.

506
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:29,600
And I'm still in this basket. 
And then two people behind me 

507
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,720
and we're flying there, and I 
start feeling nauseated. 

508
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,720
And pretty sure it's from the 
medication. 

509
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,120
And I have this oxygen mask on 
my face. 

510
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,360
And I remember looking over at 
them like trying to tell them 

511
00:27:43,360 --> 00:27:46,720
like I need to throw up. 
Like I'm going to throw up and 

512
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,120
they the helicopter's going so 
they can't hear me. 

513
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,760
And so I finally I just take the
mask off. 

514
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,320
I turn my head and I throw up 
and I got it like in my hair. 

515
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,320
Like my Oh my whole hair. 
Was just like. 

516
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,400
Soaked and throw up at this 
point and this cute little EMT 

517
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,760
behind me is like sucking the 
throw up out of my hair as we're

518
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,360
on the way to the hospital. 
I was like, thanks. 

519
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,720
And so it happened again and I 
was like, like making this 

520
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,920
motion with my yeah. 
And they're like, oh, oh. 

521
00:28:17,120 --> 00:28:19,600
And so they finally got her bag 
the second time and then I was 

522
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:25,800
able to throw open the bag but. 
So we get to the hospital and 

523
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,200
they're getting me to the 
emergency department. 

524
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:33,160
And I remember thinking, because
I know I'm on drugs and I'm 

525
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,480
like, nobody knows that I've had
this accident because we didn't 

526
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,400
have any service. 
And so I'm trying to be like, 

527
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,080
OK, this is my mom's number. 
And I like repeated that number 

528
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:44,760
in my head. 
And I'm like, and this is my 

529
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,560
dad's number. 
And I repeated his number. 

530
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:50,080
I'm like, OK, I like, I still 
remember, even though I'm on 

531
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,320
drugs, like I got this. 
I can, I can tell him what 

532
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,920
number to call, you know? 
And so I get there in the 

533
00:28:55,920 --> 00:29:02,480
hospital and these nurses come 
in and they let me know like, I 

534
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:08,040
have family there and my whole, 
his entire family was in the 

535
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,320
hospital waiting for me, as was 
my mom. 

536
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:15,840
Yeah, it was incredible. 
And they're like, but we got to 

537
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:19,040
get chest tubes in you ASAP. 
So what do you want to do? 

538
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,760
And I was like, is it OK if I 
just talk to the moms for a 

539
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:23,280
second? 
Just let them know I'm OK? 

540
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,760
And so they get the moms in 
there and. 

541
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,520
My mom's just like sobbing. 
His mom doesn't really know how 

542
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:34,320
to cry. 
So she's just like standing 

543
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:39,160
there staring at me and I was 
like, guys, I'm OK, like I'm 

544
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:45,280
here, don't worry about it. 
And my mom looked at them and 

545
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,840
she was because they took X-rays
of my back and she's like, is 

546
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,360
that her back? 
My mom also has medical field 

547
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,920
background and they told her 
yes. 

548
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:54,920
And so then she starts crying 
more because I think she 

549
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,480
understood too, that there's not
really a chance that I'm going 

550
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,360
to walk again. 
I was like, mom, it's OK, it's 

551
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:05,200
OK. 
And so they let the moms leave 

552
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:10,000
and they tell me that I'm going 
to be put under on ketamine and 

553
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:15,200
get my chest tubes in. 
So I hear about these ketamine 

554
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,640
treatments for like different 
things like depression. 

555
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,560
And I'm like, I don't know what 
ketamine does for that, 'cause 

556
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:24,280
when I was under ketamine I was 
dreaming of Blue Shrek and like.

557
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:29,640
Like having those time of my 
life in his swamp with a bunch 

558
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:34,840
of people that looked like blue 
Shreks and I wake up from this 

559
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:39,880
and I've got chest tubes in. 
And so after that, I remember, 

560
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,520
'cause I had, I had worked as an
X-ray tech in the OR at this 

561
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,480
hospital. 
And I know of the neurosurgeons 

562
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,320
there, I've been in the OR rooms
with them. 

563
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,480
And there's one in particular 
who was just known for being the

564
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,480
best at his job. 
He's just a perfectionist. 

565
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,440
He's 70 years old. 
He like has like a Santa beard 

566
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,920
and stuff. 
And I really liked him in the 

567
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,320
OR. 
And so he is. 

568
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,840
He does have seniority at that 
hospital, though. 

569
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,200
And so I don't think he's on 
call very much. 

570
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,560
And I just remember thinking, 
his name's Doctor Reichman. 

571
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,320
And I was like, please be Doctor
Reichman. 

572
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,480
Please be Doctor Reichman here. 
And I remember they're like, 

573
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:19,880
we're going to get the surgeon 
here. 

574
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,600
And I was like, who is it? 
But it's Doctor Reichman. 

575
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,320
And I just remember having such 
relievement. 

576
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:29,760
I'm like I get the best. 
So I was really stoked about 

577
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:34,680
that as well. 
And so the next 10 days I'm in 

578
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:40,840
the ICU, I'm on a lot of drugs. 
I have three different surgeries

579
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,800
that happened. 
The first one they just fixed my

580
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:49,600
back and aligned it back up. 
And he did it in three different

581
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,600
surgeries because I had so much,
I was losing so much blood 

582
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,040
during the surgery cause of all 
the internal bleeding. 

583
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,960
And so he fixes my back. 
And then what they ended up 

584
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:05,680
doing is my T9, which is the 
vertebrae that damaged my spinal

585
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:09,880
cord. 
It was complete mush, like it 

586
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:15,000
wasn't even there anymore. 
And So what they ended up doing 

587
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,280
is they put what's called a cage
in my back. 

588
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:24,200
So they took a rib out of me and
they did a bone graft. 

589
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:25,800
Is that what it's called? 
The bone graft? 

590
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,320
And then they created a new 
vertebrae for my back. 

591
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:31,680
Yeah. 
And then they, like, put a cage 

592
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,840
around it. 
And so you can actually feel it 

593
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,000
in my back now because it kind 
of sticks out a little bit. 

594
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:38,960
But I also made the joke when 
they said they were taking a rib

595
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:40,600
out. 
I was like, so you're going to 

596
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:41,440
Adam and Eve? 
Me. 

597
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:48,320
Taking my rib out. 
So yeah, now I'm missing a rib 

598
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,400
and I've got fusions, so rods my
back. 

599
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:56,440
It's called T6 down to L4, which
is 10 vertebrae. 

600
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,080
So my whole back is basically 
fused at this point. 

601
00:32:59,920 --> 00:33:02,800
So I was in the ICU for 10 days.
I remember having a lot of 

602
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,560
visitors and like I said, I was 
on a lot of drugs. 

603
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,520
And so I'd talk to them, and the
middle of my sentences I would 

604
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:10,880
fall asleep. 
Oh wow. 

605
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,320
I'd be talking with them and 
then I'd fall asleep. 

606
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,320
Then I'd wake back up and keep 
continue talking. 

607
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:20,040
It was so odd and really funny. 
But do you want to tell your 

608
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,480
story of hearing of my accident 
and getting to me? 

609
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:24,760
Yeah, but where do you, do you 
have any? 

610
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:25,640
I guess do you have any? 
Questions. 

611
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:26,360
Do you have any? 
Questions. 

612
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:27,560
Yeah, I mean, just like. 
Went through all of. 

613
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,880
It Yeah, I just thought I. 
I want to know, I just want to 

614
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:32,920
know like, you know, you're 
paralyzed. 

615
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,400
Yeah. 
Is there how how are you able to

616
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,600
stay so positive in the time 
that we've, you know, you're, 

617
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,240
you're you're in the hospital 
right now, right? 

618
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:45,320
They're doing surgeries on you. 
When did it? 

619
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,880
At what point did you realize my
life has completely changed? 

620
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,080
And what? 
How were you able to accept 

621
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:54,640
that? 
I think honestly, it's kind of 

622
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,120
crazy. 
I think I accepted it when I was

623
00:33:56,120 --> 00:34:03,000
in the Canyon because I knew I 
was paralyzed and I told myself,

624
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,480
I'm like, I my future's going to
be in a wheelchair. 

625
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:11,159
And I remember thinking, I don't
know what that looks like for 

626
00:34:11,159 --> 00:34:17,199
me, but I know I'm going to be 
OK and I'll make I'll make the 

627
00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:22,360
best of it. 
And I don't honestly, I think 

628
00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:26,520
like by the grace of God. 
I was positive. 

629
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,960
About the whole thing, Yeah. 
And so, yeah. 

630
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:31,800
And honestly, like, what? 
What? 

631
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:33,440
You don't know what life's going
to look like. 

632
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,320
You don't know the challenges 
yet in front of you. 

633
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,440
I think that also helps, 
honestly. 

634
00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:40,120
Like, I have no idea what this 
is going to look like, but we'll

635
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:45,719
find out. 
And yeah, I honestly, I guess I 

636
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:47,760
am. 
I known to be a pretty positive 

637
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,840
person. 
And so I think that's. 

638
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,639
Just my nature too. 
That's just how I am. 

639
00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:58,120
But honestly, if I had, if I had
known how hard it was going to 

640
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,320
be, I think I would have had a 
harder time accepting it because

641
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,440
it is the most challenging thing
I've ever done is to be in a 

642
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:05,880
wheelchair. 
Because there are so many 

643
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,920
challenges that come with it 
that you don't even think about.

644
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,360
Because a lot of people when 
they see people in wheelchairs, 

645
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,160
they just think, oh, she just 
can't walk. 

646
00:35:15,720 --> 00:35:18,000
You know, they don't see all the
secondary things that come with 

647
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,520
it because there are a lot of 
secondary things. 

648
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,400
Like what? 
For example, I get a lot of 

649
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:28,160
nerve pain, and nerve pain is 
the worst pain I've ever felt. 

650
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:33,480
It's not like getting my ribs 
and lungs and back smashed in 

651
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,600
the Canyon. 
It's doesn't even compare to how

652
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:40,480
nerve pain feels. 
It's like stabbing lightning 

653
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:45,440
strikes and where it happens is 
like right around my paralysis 

654
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,040
level, which is about two inches
above my belly button. 

655
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:49,960
So I don't feel anything from 
here down. 

656
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,480
So that paralysis level, it 
feels like a belt that is 

657
00:35:54,720 --> 00:35:57,600
wrapped around my abdomen right 
there and it's just like 

658
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:02,040
shooting pains. 
And so that has been one of my 

659
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:06,640
biggest challenges. 
At first I didn't have any nerve

660
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,600
pain, and then about two months 
is in. 

661
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,600
Honestly, that even started 
happening in the hospital a 

662
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,880
little bit. 
So about three weeks after my 

663
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:16,320
accidents when it started 
happening. 

664
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,680
And it's been the hardest thing 
to try to control. 

665
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:24,080
We've tried lots of different 
medications, different doses, 

666
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,960
and I think what I'm on right 
now is probably the best it's 

667
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:31,920
been in a really long time. 
But I've had nights where I 

668
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,600
can't even sleep, and I don't 
sleep because the pain is so 

669
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,880
bad. 
And so that's one of the 

670
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,960
secondary things that can come 
with paralysis. 

671
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,040
Yeah. 
Another thing is muscle spasms. 

672
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:46,360
Not everyone gets them, but I 
get them. 

673
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,880
And what that is, is my legs 
still move. 

674
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:50,800
They just don't move 
voluntarily. 

675
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,520
And so my legs will squeeze 
together really, really tight. 

676
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,400
Like I have constant bruises on 
the inside of my knees. 

677
00:36:58,720 --> 00:36:59,760
Do you know when that's 
happening? 

678
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:03,480
Yeah, like and I can feel it 
because it it moves my body when

679
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,280
it happens. 
I also have my right leg 

680
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:10,080
especially is the worst. 
It'll bounce like I sound like 

681
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:14,520
Thumper from Bambi. 
It's just, and so that will 

682
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:19,480
happen when I'm trying to like 
change my clothes or if I lean 

683
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,240
back in my wheelchair. 
I can probably show you after 

684
00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:26,040
this my leg will just straighten
straight out and it is so hard 

685
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,840
to bend it back so I'm just like
stuck in like this bored 

686
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,560
position. 
You don't have control, so you 

687
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:32,760
can't bend it back. 
Yeah. 

688
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,680
And like I can like I'll grab my
wheelchair wheels and I'll like 

689
00:37:35,720 --> 00:37:38,960
pull really hard to like get my 
body back forward because once 

690
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,920
my hip bends, typically my knee 
will bend again. 

691
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:47,920
And so it's just like I get into
this rigor mortis pretty much. 

692
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,680
And it's hard to bend my leg 
again. 

693
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,760
And so that's been, it's been 
really hard because it makes my 

694
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,800
transfers hard like getting in 
and out of bed, getting on and 

695
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,000
off the toilet. 
Anytime I try to move myself to 

696
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,240
a different place or. 
Getting out of your car is a 

697
00:38:01,240 --> 00:38:02,280
big. 
One, yeah, getting out of my 

698
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:06,280
car. 
The biggest one and the kind of 

699
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,840
bummer with it is I can no 
longer get myself from the floor

700
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:14,400
back into my wheelchair because 
every time I try to get myself 

701
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:18,560
up, I how I get up is I kneel in
front of my wheelchair. 

702
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,760
So I get myself in a kneeling 
position and I'm facing my 

703
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,240
wheelchair. 
And then from there I push up 

704
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:28,640
and my hips will usually come up
above my seat and then I flip 

705
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,440
myself around so that I can sit 
down. 

706
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,920
Right now though, this is a new 
thing that's happened within the

707
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,720
last like month and a half too. 
This is something new for me. 

708
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,880
My spasms have gotten so bad 
that when I go to push myself 

709
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,880
up, my knees tuck under my 
wheelchair so I can no longer 

710
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:47,760
get my hips above my seat. 
And I've tried like usually I 

711
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,440
feel like I can just like force 
myself to do things with enough 

712
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,760
strength. 
And no matter how hard I try, I 

713
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,520
cannot get myself back in my 
wheelchair anymore. 

714
00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:00,320
Which I'm hoping to figure that 
out or try to figure out a new 

715
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,000
way to get back into my 
wheelchair from the floor 

716
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,160
because that just kind of makes 
things hard. 

717
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:10,280
Like being alone by myself 
becomes more of a challenge. 

718
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,640
I don't have a usually I don't 
end up on the floor. 

719
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:17,120
It's very rare that that would 
happen, but it has happened 

720
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,000
since I haven't been able to get
back in my wheelchair by myself 

721
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,640
and I ended up on my floor in my
house for an hour and a half. 

722
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:24,720
Oh man. 
And I tried so many times to get

723
00:39:24,720 --> 00:39:27,560
back in my chair that I ended up
with bloody knuckles trying to 

724
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:29,200
do it. 
And I eventually just called my 

725
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,840
neighbor and had her come help 
me back into my chair. 

726
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,000
Is there a pride thing that 
comes into play with? 

727
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,160
That kind of stuff, too, 
specifically with Savannah. 

728
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,440
Yeah, it's definitely. 
Are you stubborn? 

729
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,240
Yeah, OK. 
Yeah, I mean, that's not a bad 

730
00:39:41,240 --> 00:39:44,200
thing. 
I don't like asking for help. 

731
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,440
Unless it's from Zach. 
With him I'm like, yes, help me 

732
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,080
but. 
Yeah, I don't like asking for 

733
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:51,760
help. 
That that's definitely one of 

734
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:56,800
the more humbling things that 
has come with this experience is

735
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,720
especially at the beginning, I 
didn't know how to do anything 

736
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:01,520
by myself. 
I was totally dependent. 

737
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:03,360
I didn't know how to go to the 
bathroom. 

738
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,800
Here's another thing that comes 
with paralysis is you can no 

739
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,240
longer tell when you need to go 
to the bathroom. 

740
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:13,320
You don't have like the urge to,
to go #1 or #2 anymore. 

741
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:17,600
And so you just time it like I 
just go every five or six hours 

742
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:22,600
is when I decided to go to the 
bathroom and I can't release my 

743
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,480
pee anymore either by myself. 
I have to use a catheter every 

744
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:30,240
time just because that's one of 
the things which if you do need 

745
00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:34,000
to go to the bathroom and it's 
you don't know that you need to 

746
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:35,800
go to the bathroom. 
You can also have accidents. 

747
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:40,040
And so it doesn't happen super 
often with me, but it does 

748
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,680
happen. 
And so that's another secondary 

749
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,840
thing that comes with it, which 
is a bummer. 

750
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:50,640
When it does happen, but. 
Yeah, I'm trying to think what 

751
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,000
what else would be a secondary 
just. 

752
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:55,360
So treat the bowel program, 
muscle spasms, nerve pain. 

753
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,160
If you weren't doing those three
things, it would be a heck of a 

754
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,160
lot easier. 
Yeah, I wish it was just not 

755
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:05,040
walking like that would be. 
Yeah. 

756
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,360
It's the other things that come 
with it that are the hardest 

757
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,280
things to accept. 
So you get a phone call. 

758
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,120
Where were you? 
So I was in Monterey, CA at the 

759
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:18,720
sea Otter classic just for a 
work trip and we're working at 

760
00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:21,560
the bike show. 
Sea Otter is a big bike show and

761
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:25,480
we just finished working and we 
were at dinner and I get a phone

762
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,360
call from my brother-in-law 
who's a Highway Patrol man in in

763
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:29,760
Utah and they were like this is 
weird. 

764
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,920
He never calls me so like I'm 
just going to take it. 

765
00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:34,880
Otherwise, if it was like a 
other like my brother and my 

766
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:36,040
dad, I probably would have just 
like. 

767
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:38,080
Let it go to voice and like you 
know. 

768
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,640
I'm at I'm at dinner like 
getting to know new people and 

769
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:44,320
and whatever. 
So I take this phone call and. 

770
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:45,880
Were were you, how long you been
married? 

771
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:47,200
Right, Yeah. 
How long have you been married? 

772
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,600
Sorry, I just want to Were you 
married at the time? 

773
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:51,360
Yes, we were married at the time
and at that point we were 

774
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:55,680
married three years. 
Like 2 1/2 years, OK or three 

775
00:41:55,720 --> 00:41:56,400
years, yeah. 
Three years. 

776
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:57,920
We've been married about 3 1/2 
years. 

777
00:41:58,440 --> 00:41:59,600
Yeah. 
Play this phone call. 

778
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,600
And I'm actually really glad 
that it was my brother-in-law 

779
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:03,280
who called me because he's a 
higher patrolman. 

780
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:08,200
And he was very just kind of 
like to the point about it not 

781
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,680
beating around the Bush. 
So he's like, hey, are you in a 

782
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:13,120
spot to talk? 
And I was like, yeah, sure. 

783
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,520
And he was like, Savannah's been
in an accident. 

784
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:18,640
And I don't have any other 
details. 

785
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:23,360
You just need to get home. 
All I know is that she's a like 

786
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:30,880
a status Charlie. 
So there's there's Bravo CDE, if

787
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:32,920
you're echo like you're pretty 
much already dead. 

788
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,240
Delta is like you're in really 
bad shape. 

789
00:42:36,240 --> 00:42:40,280
Probably not going to make it. 
Charlie is like it's bad, worse 

790
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,040
than a broken arm, but like 
they're OK. 

791
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:44,960
But it's still pretty bad. 
So that's all I knew. 

792
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:46,760
All I knew was that she was a 
Charlie status. 

793
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:48,760
She was in an accident in the in
the Canyon. 

794
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:50,800
She's getting life flighted. 
That's all I knew. 

795
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,600
And I had to get home. 
And so my Co worker drove me to 

796
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:58,920
San Jose airport and the only 
connection at the time was I had

797
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:02,440
to fly from Monterey, CA all the
way to Dallas, TX and then from 

798
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,600
Dallas, TX to Salt Lake City. 
And I didn't get to Savannah 

799
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,760
till like 10:00 AM on Sunday 
morning. 

800
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:11,520
Oh man. 
And honestly I don't know it was

801
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,680
I I left at like 9. 
I finally was on a plane at 9:00

802
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:16,840
PM and then I got home at about 
8:00. 

803
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,480
So I was between the layovers 
and everything is like 11 hours.

804
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:22,240
Yeah. 
Sitting in an airport for six 

805
00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:24,920
hours not being able to do 
anything while you know your 

806
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,080
wives and surgery is, is just 
one of the worst feelings ever. 

807
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:31,000
Who are you talking to? 
I was to well, so I talked to my

808
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:35,080
brother-in-law and so my dad was
there when the accident 

809
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,240
happened. 
And as we were driving from 

810
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:42,360
Monterey over to the San Jose 
airport, I called him and I knew

811
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,160
that at this point, my dad, I, I
knew he was going to be feeling 

812
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:49,680
pretty just responsible because 
he's the one who invited 

813
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:53,480
Savannah. 
And, you know, calling your son,

814
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,680
telling your to having, having 
just had his wife fall off the 

815
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:58,560
Cliff and be in this scenario 
is, is pretty rough. 

816
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,360
But I remember just telling him 
that I'm grateful that he was 

817
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:04,760
there. 
And yeah, honestly, at that 

818
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,120
point, he had to get home 
because he's trying to, he, he 

819
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,960
didn't get to fly. 
So he was trying to drive to get

820
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,080
to the hospital to go see 
Savannah because he hadn't seen 

821
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:13,760
her since she got pulled out of 
the Canyon. 

822
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:17,400
And then he and the other three 
people that had stayed still had

823
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,520
to hike out of the Canyon and 
get out before dark to get in 

824
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,520
the cars and drive home. 
So he's, he had a lot going on 

825
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,760
after the the accident happened.
He still had a lot of work to 

826
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,400
do. 
So I get to the airport and I 

827
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,320
get on the plane and right as I 
was getting there, the, a 

828
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,840
different flight had been 
delayed that was going to 

829
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,080
Colorado, Denver instead of 
Dallas. 

830
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:41,280
And I walked up to the to the 
gate and this flight is like is 

831
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:42,880
boring. 
People are walking on and I just

832
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,200
go up to the lady at that 
frontier and I was like, hey, 

833
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,040
here's my situation. 
My wife was just in an accident.

834
00:44:49,240 --> 00:44:52,240
If I could switch my flight so I
can lay over in Denver instead 

835
00:44:52,240 --> 00:44:53,600
of lay over in Dallas, that 
would be awesome. 

836
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,360
She didn't say a word. 
She just typed on her computer, 

837
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,840
hit enter, hand me my boarding 
pass instead of get on the plane

838
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,640
didn't even say anything. 
She was so and I was kind of 

839
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:05,280
like ready. 
I was like kind of ready to like

840
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,120
fight a little bit like come on,
please. 

841
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:08,640
Like this is super unique 
scenario. 

842
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:10,480
You're ready to throw down in 
the airport and. 

843
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,000
And it was, it was so nice and 
smooth. 

844
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,160
So I like, I walked in the 
airport, went through security, 

845
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,680
ran to my gate, talked like that
Lady got on the plane. 

846
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,280
Shortest airport experience of 
my life. 

847
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,080
I was probably in like from 
walking into the airport to 

848
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,000
getting on the plane was 
probably 10 minutes. 

849
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:27,960
So then that was nice because I 
did save a little bit of time 

850
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,440
and I was late over in Denver 
and in the Denver airport. 

851
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,120
I tried to sleep, but I was also
stressed about missing my flight

852
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,080
and, you know, oxygen for 
everything that's going on. 

853
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:38,360
So I, I talked to my twin 
brother and I talked to my dad, 

854
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,520
talked to my mom. 
And I just tried to honestly, I 

855
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,720
wasn't really even like thinking
I was just kind of in, in like, 

856
00:45:44,720 --> 00:45:46,240
you know, the flight or fight 
mode. 

857
00:45:46,240 --> 00:45:48,680
I think I was just in flight 
mode and I hadn't eaten anything

858
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,480
since like 2:00 PM that day 
because when we were at dinner, 

859
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,200
our food hadn't come yet. 
I got the phone call and we 

860
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,560
left. 
And so I remember just, like, 

861
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,400
being shaky and I remember, 
like, forcing myself to eat. 

862
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,040
And the only thing open at 2:00 
AM at the Denver airport is 

863
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,160
McDonald's. 
So I was eating like these two 

864
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,320
little cheeseburgers just trying
to, like, get some sustenance in

865
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:05,720
me. 
I don't. 

866
00:46:05,720 --> 00:46:06,800
Know that sounds like a pretty 
good meal to. 

867
00:46:09,240 --> 00:46:10,240
Me, yeah, seems. 
Pretty gourmet. 

868
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,360
Yeah. 
Yeah, a little bougie here. 

869
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,440
But then got on my flight from 
Denver to Salt Lake City. 

870
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,960
Got to Salt Lake City about 9:30
AM, and my family picked me up. 

871
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,080
My twin brother, my older 
brother, my sister. 

872
00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:25,120
And at this point I didn't know 
any details, right? 

873
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,240
All I knew was that Santa 
status, Charlie, she got life 

874
00:46:27,240 --> 00:46:29,400
flighted and I just wasn't even 
asking any questions. 

875
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:30,920
I was just trying to get to 
Savannah. 

876
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:35,320
And so we get to the hospital 
and I see Savannah and I 

877
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,800
remember just being just 
relieved to see her and happy to

878
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,240
see her. 
And I didn't even ask any 

879
00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:42,240
questions. 
I just remember being excited to

880
00:46:42,240 --> 00:46:45,160
see my wife. 
So that was on Sunday and I 

881
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,280
didn't know that Savannah was 
paralyzed till Tuesday. 

882
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,920
Like, I was just so happy to be 
with Savannah and like the 

883
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:52,920
doctors are coming in and like, 
talking about like, did they? 

884
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:54,520
Assume that you knew. 
How did you? 

885
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,920
I don't understand that. 
I guess when the doctors were, 

886
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,240
well, I, I missed a couple of 
the doctor's visits because I've

887
00:46:59,240 --> 00:47:00,640
been awake for a while. 
Nobody told you. 

888
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:03,080
So I like went to the waiting 
room and like. 

889
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:04,560
Everyone just assumed. 
And everyone. 

890
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:07,280
Everybody just assumed that you 
knew, so they're just like he's 

891
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:08,480
got to know. 
Yeah. 

892
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:10,960
And like, I knew that she 
couldn't feel, but I'm thinking 

893
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,160
like, oh, she's going to get 
sensation back in a couple days 

894
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,520
and it'll be fine. 
And I guess I don't know. 

895
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:16,680
I just, I didn't. 
I wasn't. 

896
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:18,760
I was processing it kind of 
weird. 

897
00:47:19,240 --> 00:47:21,720
But anyway, Tuesday comes along 
and then I see Doctor Reichman 

898
00:47:21,720 --> 00:47:23,480
for the first time. 
Because the other two times he'd

899
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,240
come, I had been asleep on the 
couch or like, outside. 

900
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:28,000
I'll sleep. 
Because again, I hadn't, I had 

901
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,160
been awake for like a little 
over 24 hours. 

902
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:34,760
And when he told me that she was
paralyzed, I guess I don't know.

903
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,480
Did he tell you like you are? 
Like he thought you already 

904
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:39,040
knew? 
Was it just in conversation? 

905
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:40,560
No, I think I candidly asked 
him. 

906
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,760
I was like, so Doctor Reichman, 
like, can you just kind of like 

907
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:45,360
tell me is, is she going to walk
again? 

908
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:46,720
Is she going to get sensation 
back? 

909
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,840
And I really appreciated his 
response because he was very 

910
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,160
like, I don't want to give you 
no hope because you know, 

911
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:55,520
miracles can happen. 
But based off of what I know and

912
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:58,840
how Pinterest spinal cord was, 
because if you saw her X-ray, if

913
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:02,000
this is like her two vertebrae, 
they were like crossed and 

914
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,520
overlapped and her her spinal 
cord did like a full Z and 

915
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:07,320
people get paralyzed from a lot 
less than that. 

916
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,040
People just bruise their spinal 
cord and it wasn't even shifted.

917
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:11,720
They just bruise it and they're 
paralyzed for life. 

918
00:48:11,720 --> 00:48:16,200
And hers was like, really bad. 
And he was like, I would just 

919
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,560
kind of expect and be ready to 
do, you know, life in a 

920
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:20,280
wheelchair. 
And at that point, I was like, 

921
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,200
OK. 
And honestly, I don't, I don't 

922
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,640
think I ever grieved. 
I don't think I ever 'cause I 

923
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,880
mean, you've Savannah's just 
such a positive person and she 

924
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:29,560
was just such like a go get him 
attitude. 

925
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:31,560
This is a new life. 
I'm going to relearn how to do 

926
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,080
all these things. 
I kind of feel like if you had 

927
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:35,000
grieved, she would have probably
slapped you upside the head. 

928
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:36,480
Is that kind of? 
How it works, right? 

929
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:38,320
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
A. 

930
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:41,640
Little bit like, come on. 
Yeah, we're good. 

931
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,240
Yeah, which honestly, it's still
kind of is that way. 

932
00:48:44,240 --> 00:48:47,160
Like, yeah, I think we have our 
moments of being sad and 

933
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:50,480
grieving, but from then on, 
honestly, I had just in the 

934
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,280
hospital. 
I remember she got out of her 

935
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,360
second surgery. 
Can I tell this story? 

936
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:57,760
Yeah, you can. 
Oh, Seth is really like a go get

937
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:59,640
him. 
Like he realized my life was 

938
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,160
going to be different and he 
wanted to make sure that I was 

939
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:03,680
going to have fun in this new 
life. 

940
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,120
I remember coming out of my 
second surgery and I'm still 

941
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:10,160
like coming out of anesthesia 
and he shoves his phone in my. 

942
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:14,440
Face of like a paralyzed person 
on this four Wheeler and he's 

943
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,520
like look what we can get you 
and I was like. 

944
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:23,400
He's getting excited. 
Fairly even there. 

945
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:26,760
Because you're a builder. 
I mean, you're a mechanical guy,

946
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:27,360
right? 
Yeah. 

947
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:31,360
You like to tinker in the garage
or is it like, or is it like, is

948
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,880
this like extra level tinkering 
in the garage? 

949
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:37,160
Are you the guy that's got like 
8 welding machines and lifts for

950
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:39,800
engines and all the stuff and 
every toy you can imagine 

951
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,120
sitting there ready to just turn
into something else? 

952
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:45,000
I've, I've always been very 
mechanical and handy, but but 

953
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,600
the level of handiness and 
problem solving is definitely 

954
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:50,640
exponentially gotten bigger. 
And since then, my dad's shop 

955
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:54,080
has gotten very like fabrication
level. 

956
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:58,040
We have like welders, we have a 
welder and we have like all the 

957
00:49:58,040 --> 00:49:59,960
tools we need to do a lot of fun
stuff. 

958
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:01,880
We're getting a plasma cutter 
soon. 

959
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:04,440
And so I don't know, I just 
like, since this has happened, 

960
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,480
I'm also just kind of like a, if
it's going to get done right, I 

961
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:08,920
need to do it. 
There's a lot of amazing 

962
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:12,440
technology out there, but I 
think I, I just, I have these 

963
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,120
expectations of what I want 
Savannah to be able to do. 

964
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,720
And in the only way that she can
do some of these things is just 

965
00:50:18,720 --> 00:50:21,600
by like me, me building it. 
And the one thing that I really 

966
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:23,800
want to be able to do was to 
ride on two wheels again. 

967
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,600
And so that's when I like built 
her Suron out and I put the the 

968
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:29,760
roll cage on and everything so 
she could still ride on two 

969
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,040
wheels, ride on the Suron, come 
out with the family and ride, 

970
00:50:32,720 --> 00:50:34,240
which is just a big part of my 
family. 

971
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:36,880
I actually bought Savannah a 
dirt bike before I bought her a 

972
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:38,560
wedding ring. 
So that's like one of the 

973
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:42,280
primaries. 
Live dirt bikes is a really big 

974
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,200
part of my family. 
Were you like, OK with this or 

975
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:48,520
was it, or was there like an 
extra dirt bike in the 

976
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:50,360
background that he'd already 
bought for himself so he could 

977
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,720
buy you one, I mean. 
I mean it. 

978
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:58,720
I remember him buying me a dirt 
bike and I was like oh wow, this

979
00:50:58,720 --> 00:51:02,600
is serious. 
Yeah, that was really the first 

980
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:03,880
proposal. 
The ring was more of a 

981
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,080
formality, the first proposal. 
Was like the dirt bike. 

982
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:09,720
Here's your motorcycle. 
And I he remembers this very 

983
00:51:09,720 --> 00:51:13,160
differently than I do, but he 
told me there were Barney 

984
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:15,360
auditions. 
My last name's Barney, which is.

985
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:18,520
Yeah. 
Which his family does, like 

986
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:22,160
mountain biking, dirt biking, 
canyoneering. 

987
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:24,920
And so in my head I'm thinking 
like. 

988
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,360
I've got to be good at these 
things or I'm cut out, You know,

989
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:32,440
like I want to marry this man, 
but I don't know if I'm going to

990
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:37,440
pass these Barney auditions. 
And so the first time I went out

991
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:41,800
dirt biking with his family, I 
was so like, I've got to, I've 

992
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,920
got to impress them. 
I jumped the dirt bike my first 

993
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,360
time ever, like being out and on
it. 

994
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:53,200
I was, they're jumping this, 
they built this jump and him and

995
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:58,640
his twin and my sister-in-law 
were jumping this, this hill. 

996
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:01,040
And I was like. 
I could do it. 

997
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:02,680
I'm. 
Going to do it. 

998
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,280
Let's go. 
And so I'm like building up the 

999
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:07,600
courage. 
This is the funniest part. 

1000
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:09,320
I'm building up the courage to 
do. 

1001
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:12,480
It so I say I jumped. 
This thing, I'm like thinking 

1002
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,640
I'm going so fast, I'm going so 
good. 

1003
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:19,040
And then here's my jump. 
And I was like, heck yeah. 

1004
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:21,000
The coolest Both wheels came off
the ground. 

1005
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:23,560
Yeah, both wheels came off, but 
like maybe 2 inches? 

1006
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:25,680
That's great. 
Yeah, I eventually got better at

1007
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:29,360
jumping a dirt bike, but yeah, I
remember building up so much 

1008
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:33,080
courage and I was like. 
So so is your goal like to make 

1009
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:38,560
her life as like you're trying 
to make it you you want to get 

1010
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:39,760
her out of the wheelchair. 
You're right. 

1011
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:41,760
You want to get her mobile, You 
want to put her on dirt bikes. 

1012
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:46,240
And is that kind of what the how
you're feeling about all this? 

1013
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:51,000
I just think I honestly like, I 
think my ADHD too really, really

1014
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,000
plays a part in this where I'm 
just kind of like, I want her to

1015
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:55,520
be a part of everything that 
we're doing. 

1016
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:58,520
And I don't want her to feel 
like she can't participate in 

1017
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:00,480
certain activities because she's
in the wheelchair. 

1018
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,720
And so I'm just like, we just 
have to adapt whatever so that 

1019
00:53:03,720 --> 00:53:06,240
she can come and do it. 
And there are so many different 

1020
00:53:06,240 --> 00:53:07,800
things out there that are that 
are available. 

1021
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,240
One of the really big 
inspirations and he actually 

1022
00:53:10,240 --> 00:53:11,920
lives right next to me. 
His name is Jerry Rig. 

1023
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:14,200
Everything you've probably heard
of him, his name Zach, his 

1024
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:17,400
wife's in a wheelchair and he 
built something called the big 

1025
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:21,040
rig where it originally started 
as he welded 2 electric mile 

1026
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:24,480
bikes together and built this 
thing so his wife could come and

1027
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:25,600
and hike and do all these 
things. 

1028
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:30,040
And so I think seeing him kind 
of innovate and build these 

1029
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:32,760
things, I thought, well, if he 
can do it, then I can do it. 

1030
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:35,320
I have, you know, got some 
skills and we could, we could 

1031
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:38,280
build some fun things. 
And so I don't know, I just 

1032
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:41,720
think I set these kind of like 
unspoken expectations of 

1033
00:53:41,720 --> 00:53:43,280
Savannah still going to come 
dirt bike with us. 

1034
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:44,640
She's still going to come 
hunting. 

1035
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:48,320
She's still going to come skiing
and water water skiing. 

1036
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:50,800
Like she's she's water skied. 
We're working on making her a 

1037
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:52,880
little surfboard so she can surf
behind the boat. 

1038
00:53:53,720 --> 00:53:55,800
And she really can, she really 
can do a lot. 

1039
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:57,920
There's like a lot, honestly, 
that she can't do. 

1040
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:00,680
And as long as we have the right
equipment, Savannah can do 

1041
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:02,400
anything she wants. 
And so I just want to be able to

1042
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,560
provide whatever that is so she 
can come or participate in 

1043
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:07,400
whatever adventure she wants to 
participate in. 

1044
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:10,040
So like for scuba diving? 
Yeah. 

1045
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:12,640
We've been to Hawaii, we've been
to Mexico. 

1046
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,400
She skis, she mountain bikes, 
she dirt bikes. 

1047
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:19,080
The only thing we haven't done 
like hobby wise since her 

1048
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:22,640
accident is Canyon Earring, OK. 
Everything else we've we've for 

1049
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:23,960
sure done. 
Is that on the list or are you 

1050
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:26,760
not? 
I feel like canyoneering in 

1051
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:30,040
itself would be a little hard 
because I feel like I'd have to 

1052
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:32,840
be carried a lot of the way. 
A lot of things are skinny, a 

1053
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:36,480
lot of things have like boulders
and rocks that you got to climb 

1054
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:39,880
over. 
But I for sure think I'd go 

1055
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:41,360
repelling again. 
OK. 

1056
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:43,240
That was my question. 
I was wondering if it was maybe 

1057
00:54:43,240 --> 00:54:46,640
the, you know, you just don't 
want to cross that road. 

1058
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:50,000
Yeah, no, I think, I think I 
would totally do it again. 

1059
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:52,240
We just need to. 
There's actually like a 

1060
00:54:52,240 --> 00:54:54,440
repelling. 
There is an adaptive repelling 

1061
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,400
and climbing club, yeah, in Utah
at the Momentum. 

1062
00:54:57,600 --> 00:54:59,760
Yeah, one of the climbing gyms 
that she could go and we just 

1063
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:01,920
haven't gone yet and. 
Honestly I think the only reason

1064
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,520
I haven't gone is I also work so
you. 

1065
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:07,120
So I'm guessing you haven't been
back to where it's happened. 

1066
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:09,160
No, I haven't. 
You can't get to it. 

1067
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,840
Yeah, I think we could maybe get
to it. 

1068
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,200
It'd be it'd be hard though. 
And honestly? 

1069
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:16,160
Get back to it. 
I think, I think. 

1070
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:18,640
Me and my brothers and my dad 
and the guy who fell with 

1071
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:22,440
Savannah Bronson, that we will 
probably, we'll probably go back

1072
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:26,760
there eventually just as a like 
a memorandum of like where it 

1073
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:28,080
happened. 
But I don't know, honestly, it 

1074
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:31,120
hasn't been that important to me
to be back there just because 

1075
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:34,440
we're kind of moved on. 
And if rappelling was something 

1076
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:36,440
she could do, I think we would 
have been back already. 

1077
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:39,440
But now that I'm just so focused
on doing things she can do, it's

1078
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:42,520
just kind of not in frame of 
mind anymore because I'm just 

1079
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:44,320
focused on all the things that 
she she can't do. 

1080
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,800
Yeah, not high priority. 
Yeah, do it. 

1081
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:50,160
Unless we build like some robot 
climbing machine that can like 

1082
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:52,480
scale walls and slaw Canyon, 
then we'll go do it. 

1083
00:55:52,720 --> 00:55:54,200
Yeah. 
I think you could do it. 

1084
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:56,440
You got. 
We can build it, yeah. 

1085
00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:03,800
Do you, do you have moments of 
like why or if I could only do 

1086
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,800
this again? 
Or I mean, are there down times 

1087
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,360
for you? 
Yeah, there are for sure. 

1088
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:13,080
I'd say they don't happen super 
often, but I did have one 

1089
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:18,880
recently and I feel like it's 
really the little things, like 

1090
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,560
the feeling of what it feels 
like to put pressure on your 

1091
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:30,080
feet or like to walk around the 
house and get some bread crumbs 

1092
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:32,520
and brush them off your feet and
know that they're there. 

1093
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:36,160
Like the feeling of putting your
sock on and your shoe on, the 

1094
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:39,080
feeling of being at the beach 
and having your toes in the sand

1095
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:43,160
and knowing what that feels like
to go in the ocean and feel 

1096
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:48,480
temperature on your legs. 
And yeah, I feel like I was 

1097
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:53,720
sitting in bed and I was just 
thinking like, or even what it 

1098
00:56:53,720 --> 00:56:56,280
would be like to go to the 
bathroom and have it take only 

1099
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:59,000
30 seconds again instead of 10 
minutes. 

1100
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:04,800
And one of my least favorite 
things still to this day is 

1101
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:07,400
pulling your pants up. 
I tell everyone I think we 

1102
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:10,200
should make a community decision
to that no one wears pants. 

1103
00:57:13,720 --> 00:57:16,920
I'm not sure I'm there yet. 
I mean, it's possible you could 

1104
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:21,200
convince me, but. 
I will advocate for that so 

1105
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:25,360
hard, but. 
Yeah, I feel like the down times

1106
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:27,560
is just thinking about the 
little things that I used to be 

1107
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:36,480
able to do that I just, I miss. 
And like also just being able to

1108
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:40,160
get your legs to go crisscross 
applesauce by themselves. 

1109
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:44,040
It's just those little things. 
And I do get down about that. 

1110
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:48,680
I'm so grateful for the things 
that I can still do, especially 

1111
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:52,360
because of today's day and age 
and all the electronic things 

1112
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:55,600
that have come out. 
But you still miss. 

1113
00:57:55,680 --> 00:58:00,240
You still miss the old life. 
It's kind of like I had old 

1114
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:01,960
Savannah and now I'm new 
Savannah. 

1115
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:07,040
It's almost like the old me has 
passed away. 

1116
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:10,720
It, it does feel like that a 
little bit because who I used to

1117
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:15,080
be is not who I am today because
of how I've changed and how my 

1118
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:17,960
life has changed. 
And so I do get down about those

1119
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:19,440
moments. 
Like I just miss. 

1120
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:23,360
I hated running and I miss what.
It feels like to run to put 

1121
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:26,960
like. 
To be able to get cardio that 

1122
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:30,800
way and to like feel the weight 
of the ground underneath you, 

1123
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:35,800
jolt up your legs and have that 
pounding feeling, you just miss 

1124
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:38,080
things like that. 
And so I do get down about that 

1125
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:41,080
at times. 
If you could go back in time to 

1126
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:43,960
that moment and pull that out 
from ever happening. 

1127
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:48,560
I mean, just based on where you 
are today, the change that it's 

1128
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:52,160
made in you, the old and the 
new, all that stuff, If you 

1129
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:56,600
could stop that rock from 
lifting up, would you do that? 

1130
00:58:56,920 --> 00:59:02,080
No, no, definitely not. 
There's just been so many things

1131
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:04,720
that have come from this. 
I mean, even being with you here

1132
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:08,640
today in Wisconsin where I did 
my 4th grade report on, you 

1133
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:13,400
know, like there's just been 
people that I've met and who 

1134
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:18,240
I've become that, you know, I 
think this life is crazy and 

1135
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:22,320
things happen and I'm just glad 
that I get to be a part of it. 

1136
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:26,680
And the people who I've met, my 
other fellow paraplegics and 

1137
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:31,120
quadriplegics, being those 
people and becoming friends with

1138
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:35,000
them has also just been an 
incredible adventure. 

1139
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:37,680
And I wouldn't change it for the
world. 

1140
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:40,400
Wow, that's that's really cool 
to hear actually. 

1141
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:43,080
I'm so impressed. 
I wasn't sure you were going to 

1142
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:44,840
answer it that way. 
Yeah. 

1143
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:47,200
Oh, yeah, for sure. 
I mean, just because based off 

1144
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:49,800
of just the memories that you 
have of running and the dreaming

1145
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:52,360
of what that's like to 
experience those things again 

1146
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:56,160
and all that stuff, Do you do 
you look at now you mentioned a 

1147
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:59,240
little bit about people in 
wheelchairs that you you would 

1148
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:00,920
see and they're just like, oh, 
they just can't walk. 

1149
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:03,280
But do you see people 
differently now when you see 

1150
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:06,280
people in wheelchairs? 
I mean, cause really when when 

1151
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:07,960
you see somebody in a 
wheelchair, typically right, 

1152
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:10,040
you're just like, oh, OK, what's
wrong with that person? 

1153
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:12,240
Yeah, whatever. 
Kind of brush it off and walk 

1154
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:13,520
past and you ever think of it 
again. 

1155
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:21,560
Yeah, I mean, I feel like had I 
seen me previously how I was and

1156
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:25,080
seen me rolling around in a 
wheelchair, you know, I'd be 

1157
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:27,920
like, what happened? 
Oh, does she need help? 

1158
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:30,520
Can she do that? 
You know, I have a lot of people

1159
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:32,240
still come up to me when I'm 
getting in my car and they're 

1160
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:33,520
like, can I help you? 
What can I do? 

1161
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:37,720
I'm like, no, no, I'm good. 
I feel like I do see people in 

1162
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:42,360
wheelchairs differently because 
like you just see them as 

1163
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:45,240
another person, like a normal 
person and another. 

1164
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:48,320
Very capable person. 
Very capable person. 

1165
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:54,080
And like, even quadriplegics who
can't move their arms either, 

1166
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:57,640
you just see them as someone 
who's capable. 

1167
01:00:57,640 --> 01:00:59,440
It's not like their personality 
has really changed. 

1168
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:04,240
They're still, yeah, totally the
same person, you know, And yeah,

1169
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:06,200
you do see him as a different in
a different light. 

1170
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:08,320
Honestly, it's pretty cool. 
OK. 

1171
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:10,800
I want to back up real quick 
just to something that you said 

1172
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:14,120
way early on, but you said that 
you fell and you landed on your 

1173
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:15,680
head or your face, right? 
Yeah. 

1174
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:19,480
I don't see any scarring. 
Nothing happened to my face. 

1175
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:21,720
I mean, how did you? 
Had a little, you had a little. 

1176
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:26,560
Shiner, I had a little scrape 
right here that had like a scab 

1177
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:28,520
that fell off. 
Do you think maybe you were 

1178
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:33,240
looking up and you hit like 
chest maybe or because I did 

1179
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:37,000
that blows my mind. 
Yeah, I don't know how that 

1180
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:39,600
happened. 
From what I'm told from how the 

1181
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:42,720
video shows it is I landed 
straight on my face. 

1182
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:46,360
I know why you haven't looked at
the video, but are you going to 

1183
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:49,160
look at the video? 
I honestly don't know. 

1184
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:52,960
I don't know if I'll To me, I 
feel like I have no trauma from 

1185
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:56,880
that day and I think in the back
of my mind I'm worried that if I

1186
01:01:56,880 --> 01:02:01,440
look at it, I might. 
And so I just don't look at it 

1187
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:04,960
for that sake because I still 
look at that day as a beautiful 

1188
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:08,720
day that I got to experience. 
I don't see a lot of miracles. 

1189
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:12,000
And so I just don't want that to
change. 

1190
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:14,400
I want it to stay that way. 
I don't think it would. 

1191
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:17,560
Just from the hour we've been 
talking, I can't imagine. 

1192
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:20,600
Yeah, I don't think much is. 
I mean, if you, if you not being

1193
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:25,000
able to walk hasn't changed you.
I mean, seeing the fall, I can't

1194
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:26,680
imagine. 
Yeah, I just feel like we're 

1195
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:29,240
kind of like already moved on 
and we've had such a such a 

1196
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:32,360
great, like honestly a very 
successful time being paralyzed.

1197
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:34,640
But I just kind of feel like, 
you know, it's in the past. 

1198
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:38,640
We moved on and there's there's 
there's no point in in seeing 

1199
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:40,080
the video because I don't want 
it. 

1200
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:43,160
I guess I don't want it to like 
Jade my perspective of like, oh 

1201
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:46,720
man, if I had been there or if 
if we've done something 

1202
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:49,120
different and then all sudden 
this bitterness that I didn't. 

1203
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:52,360
Have you can't think like that? 
Somehow like comes in. 

1204
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:55,320
It's in the past. 
This was, I mean, I, I didn't 

1205
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:57,600
know that an anchor came up. 
And honestly, I was a little 

1206
01:02:57,600 --> 01:03:00,240
worried for you coming here 
because I heard that you were 

1207
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:03,040
helping guide, but you fell. 
And I thought, oh, my gosh, did 

1208
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:05,040
she do something wrong as a 
guide? 

1209
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:07,200
But you obviously didn't. 
This was completely out of your 

1210
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:08,120
control. 
Yeah. 

1211
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:10,680
And so I can't imagine even 
feeling that way would even be 

1212
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:13,720
possible. 
Yeah, it it really was just a 

1213
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:18,280
fluke that happened. 
And so I feel like that also 

1214
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:20,880
helps with not having any 
bitterness towards that day. 

1215
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:25,120
Like you said, it's just just a 
freak accident. 

1216
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:28,240
How's your buddy's arm? 
It's good, it's good. 

1217
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:31,880
I think he there's like a 
movement that is he still can't 

1218
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:34,600
fully do. 
But yeah, he's great. 

1219
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:38,400
He's got pretty good motion in 
his wrist considering how broken

1220
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:40,160
it was. 
And we were family friends 

1221
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:42,960
before and we were close but 
since her accident we're we're 

1222
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:44,240
super. 
Close with with. 

1223
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:46,280
Bronson and he's a super great 
support. 

1224
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:49,120
We hang out with him frequently 
and I feel like that's also kind

1225
01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:51,960
of helped where it's not like 
this was a car accident or a 

1226
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:54,800
drunk driver or something that 
like was somebody else's fault 

1227
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:58,200
and there is this emotion pinned
on somebody else. 

1228
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:01,680
It's cool that the person that 
that was involved with it with 

1229
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:05,760
her is like a very positive, 
supportive person and it's not, 

1230
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:09,120
you know, it's not their fault. 
And so it's been great to have 

1231
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:12,520
Bronson as like our friend and 
our person connected to this. 

1232
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:16,120
He's he's amazing. 
I should also say Bronson is old

1233
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:18,120
enough to be my dad. 
He's older. 

1234
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:22,880
And so it was like we were 
friends before, but it was still

1235
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:26,280
like a dad friend. 
You know? 

1236
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:28,640
I feel like we're like equals 
now, though. 

1237
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:31,080
We always say we were connected 
by rope that day, but we're 

1238
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:34,440
connected for life now just 
because there's such a bond and 

1239
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:37,320
connection there that has been 
there since this accident. 

1240
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:38,280
Yeah. 
That's awesome. 

1241
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:40,640
I wanna can I ask you a personal
question? 

1242
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:43,040
You don't have to answer if you 
don't want to, but I so like I 

1243
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:46,160
noticed that when you're talk, 
when she's talking, you're 

1244
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:47,080
trying to comfort you. 
Do you? 

1245
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:48,160
Are you putting your hand on her
leg? 

1246
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:55,520
OK, you can't feel that. 
But what are you feeling like 

1247
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:58,000
emotionally when that happens? 
Are you feeling like the 

1248
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:03,200
sensation of he's comforting me?
It's so odd to like explain how 

1249
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:05,840
you can still feel things when 
you can't feel them. 

1250
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:10,520
It's like you still get that 
comforting feeling, and even 

1251
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:14,880
though I can't feel it, when I 
see it with my eyes, it's almost

1252
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:17,400
like you get the same sensation 
as if you could feel it anyway. 

1253
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:21,360
Oh wow, yeah, there. 
It's it's so hard to explain but

1254
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:24,800
it's like because my brain knew 
what that felt like before. 

1255
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:27,560
Could it be like I can? 
I can't feel you smiling, but I 

1256
01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:29,080
can feel the emotion of. 
You smiling? 

1257
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:32,040
Yeah, it's exactly like that. 
What's that like for you? 

1258
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:35,120
I mean, I probably don't think 
too much about it's still the 

1259
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:37,560
same for me, right? 
When I touch her leg, it still 

1260
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:39,640
feels the same. 
And also like with her spasms, 

1261
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:41,640
like her legs will still 
squeeze. 

1262
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:44,160
And so I honestly kind of feels 
like she like knows that I'm 

1263
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:45,640
there and she's like squeezing 
my leg. 

1264
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:47,360
I mean, she squeezing my hand 
with her legs. 

1265
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:50,560
And so I don't know, I just is 
like still, it still feels the 

1266
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:52,720
same for me. 
Honestly, I don't, I don't think

1267
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:56,120
I, I like to overthink it. 
There are sometimes though where

1268
01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:59,520
like if I am sitting next like 
in a movie or something, I, I 

1269
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:01,200
will still like poke her leg and
stuff. 

1270
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:03,040
And if she's focused on the 
movie, obviously she shouldn't 

1271
01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:05,200
know that I'm like trying to get
her attention and I'll forget. 

1272
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:07,000
Sometimes I'm like, Oh yeah, 
then I have to like move up to 

1273
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:09,040
her shoulder and like her. 
Attention that way. 

1274
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:13,000
But yeah, I mean I would still 
that probably happens regularly.

1275
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:14,360
I have a super funny story 
about. 

1276
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:18,080
Like something like that though.
We were going to bed and we're 

1277
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:24,600
just laying there and like he's 
cuddling me and I'm like, he's 

1278
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:26,200
pretty ticklish. 
I'm just going to like tickle 

1279
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:29,920
his leg real quick. 
And so I'm like tickling his leg

1280
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:34,680
and he's not moving. 
I'm like, like, and then I'm 

1281
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:38,240
like tapping his knee and like 
trying to like get some reflex. 

1282
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:41,760
Nothing is happening. 
And so I like, look over at him 

1283
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:45,920
and like, are you not ticklish? 
He's like, what are you talking 

1284
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:48,040
about? 
I was stroking my own leg. 

1285
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:52,640
I was like, oh, that's really 
awkward. 

1286
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:56,280
I'm like thinking like, what the
heck. 

1287
01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:58,600
Why isn't he moving? 
Why is he not responding to 

1288
01:06:58,600 --> 01:06:59,800
this? 
This is so odd. 

1289
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:03,280
Yeah, it's pretty. 
Funny are you seeing any doctors

1290
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:08,560
for future like hope at all? 
Are you therapy like people that

1291
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:12,000
might have like some sort of a 
miracle cure or is that being 

1292
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:14,800
looked at at all for your? 
Currently with me, I'm not 

1293
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:18,040
seeing anybody for that. 
I do go back to my doctors just 

1294
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:22,400
because like, like I said, with 
the nerve pain, trying to like 

1295
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:26,960
get the correct cocktail of 
medication to not have it as 

1296
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:30,840
much anymore. 
And it's kind of like you just 

1297
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:33,800
need to have a doctor for pretty
much everything once you're in a

1298
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:36,120
wheelchair. 
It's like for when we want to 

1299
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:41,720
have kids in the future, like 
I'm pretty much on watch the 

1300
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:44,600
entire time if I'm when I'm 
pregnant because so many things 

1301
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:48,720
can happen when you're pregnant 
in a wheelchair or what's 

1302
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:50,680
another thing? 
Like I, I've gone back from my 

1303
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:54,000
spasms too, to see what we can 
do about my spasms. 

1304
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:57,680
There is something called a 
Baclofen pump where they put in 

1305
01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:00,720
this pump that kind of looks 
like a hockey puck into your 

1306
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:02,640
abdomen. 
And then there's a tube that 

1307
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:06,240
goes into your spinal canal that
pumps the medication directly 

1308
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:09,960
into there. 
And that is always like the 

1309
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:13,240
problem solver for spasms with 
paralyzed people. 

1310
01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:17,040
Like if they have spasms and 
they want them to like if it's 

1311
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:20,720
really affecting their daily 
life, then they'll go to the 

1312
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:23,760
Baclofen pump. 
And I remember they came in when

1313
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:27,160
I was really considering it. 
And what they do is they do a 

1314
01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:29,520
trial first just to make sure 
it's going to work. 

1315
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:36,880
And the doctor came in and he's 
like, it'll work, like 99% 

1316
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:41,040
chance it's going to work. 
So I went in recently, just in 

1317
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:45,080
the last two months to go do 
this trial. 

1318
01:08:45,399 --> 01:08:48,479
And I just happened to be the 1%
that it didn't work on. 

1319
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:55,479
And so I was the first patient 
ever that they have seen that it

1320
01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:58,600
didn't work on. 
So now we're just trying to 

1321
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:04,520
experiment with other things 
like Botox to see if we can get 

1322
01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:07,279
my muscle spasms to calm down so
hopefully I can be able to 

1323
01:09:07,279 --> 01:09:08,640
transfer back into my chair 
again. 

1324
01:09:09,319 --> 01:09:13,800
But yeah, just see doctors for 
random stuff like that. 

1325
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:18,120
To answer your question more 
directly though, I feel like you

1326
01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:20,359
kind of got a little. 
I guess I tracked. 

1327
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:22,279
There's some really amazing 
things come out, like the stem 

1328
01:09:22,279 --> 01:09:24,399
cell treatments and you see 
these people who haven't walked 

1329
01:09:24,399 --> 01:09:26,840
or had movement in a long time 
now have success. 

1330
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:29,479
And there's like some studies 
going on in Japan and in 

1331
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:33,640
Switzerland and stuff like that.
And so I feel like again, it's 

1332
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:36,760
kind of one of those things like
I've just kind of thought we've 

1333
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:39,080
kind of both of us have probably
kind of just tabled. 

1334
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:42,960
Like if it comes out and it's a,
it's a sure thing and, and, and 

1335
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:44,840
she can get it and she'll be 
able to move again, then that 

1336
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:47,600
would be amazing. 
But quite frankly, if she was 

1337
01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:52,000
gonna have movement of her legs 
again, it would take a lot. 

1338
01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:54,880
It would be a lot of work for 
her to be able to move and walk 

1339
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:57,640
like how she used to. 
And so it's almost easier to 

1340
01:09:57,640 --> 01:09:59,800
just accept life in the 
wheelchair and do all the fun 

1341
01:09:59,800 --> 01:10:04,080
stuff in the wheelchair, then 
try to readapt and get the leg 

1342
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:07,360
muscle back and her hips 
replaced and getting her knees 

1343
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:09,640
back into a spot where they 
would all be working again. 

1344
01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:11,520
Walking. 
Life now would be really, 

1345
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:12,600
really. 
Plus you hard. 

1346
01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:14,960
You'd have to give up all the 
cool things you're building. 

1347
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:16,960
Yeah, yeah. 
I mean. 

1348
01:10:17,440 --> 01:10:18,840
All the cool machinery. 
That we. 

1349
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:20,160
Yeah. 
What am I supposed to do with 

1350
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:21,320
all this? 
Yeah, yeah. 

1351
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:25,080
Is it if it's OK, I wanna I 
wanna tell one more thing or 

1352
01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:27,680
talk about Savannah. 
It just like who who she is. 

1353
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:30,800
So I bought her a dirt bike 
early in our in our dating life 

1354
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:32,680
and she just crushed it. 
And anything that I gave 

1355
01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:35,480
Savannah to do 'cause she had 
never dirt biked or never 

1356
01:10:35,480 --> 01:10:39,480
mountain biked and anything that
I gave her to do, like adventure

1357
01:10:39,480 --> 01:10:42,400
wise, she was just on it. 
And she learned just quicker 

1358
01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:43,760
than anybody I've ever seen in 
my life. 

1359
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:47,040
She just learned it so, so fast.
So it was a lot of fun teaching 

1360
01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:49,080
her new things because she'd 
pick it up so fast and we'd have

1361
01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:51,240
fun doing it together. 
And so when we were in the 

1362
01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:53,920
hospital, it was kind of like 
that same thing. 

1363
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:57,040
She really, it was just like, 
she's very competitive. 

1364
01:10:57,040 --> 01:10:58,760
She comes from a very 
competitive family. 

1365
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:02,680
So when the hospital Savannah 
like needed a bar, she needed 

1366
01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:06,040
like someone to compete with. 
And so her therapist really good

1367
01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:07,920
about competing her up against 
herself. 

1368
01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:10,280
So like getting herself dressed,
getting her shoes on, 

1369
01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:11,520
transferring and stuff like 
that. 

1370
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:15,520
So honestly, the hospital, like 
it sounds odd, but like I loved 

1371
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:18,000
the hospital over there. 
It was a lot of fun because we 

1372
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:21,640
were working like 222 therapy 
sessions every day that are each

1373
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:24,920
two hours and she was just 
working hard and making tons of 

1374
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:26,640
progress the whole time and it 
was just fun. 

1375
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:32,280
And 21 days in her accident, one
of the nonprofits up at the up 

1376
01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:37,520
in Utah called Wasatch Adaptive 
Sports offers from for them to 

1377
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:40,640
go biking on the road in an 
adaptive mountain bike. 

1378
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:43,560
So 21 days after she had fallen,
she was biking with Wasatch 

1379
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:46,480
Adaptive Sports, biking with the
also in three. 

1380
01:11:46,480 --> 01:11:49,280
Weeks. 
Three weeks she was in a she 

1381
01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:50,920
was. 
In a hospital at the time, but 

1382
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:55,320
they had like a connection where
one person from the hospital in 

1383
01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:59,680
their inpatient rehab, if able, 
can go biking with them on their

1384
01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:00,280
bike ride. 
Wow. 

1385
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:03,400
Yeah. 
So she did that and we were also

1386
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:06,000
biking with a girl who'd also 
been paralyzed like 3 years 

1387
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:08,080
prior to that, who we're very 
similar ages with. 

1388
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:10,520
And it was just nice to talk to 
her and see all the stuff she's 

1389
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:13,520
doing because she's also just a 
total badass, just skiing and 

1390
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:15,480
mountain biking, doing all this 
fun adventurous stuff. 

1391
01:12:15,480 --> 01:12:17,840
So I think that also kind of 
like set a bar for Savannah, 

1392
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:21,960
like, oh, when I'm out of the 
hospital and I'm, you know, done

1393
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:24,760
doing rehab full time, there's 
all this really cool stuff that 

1394
01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:28,760
I can be involved in. 
And then we'd actually signed up

1395
01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:31,840
for a triathlon with my work 
prior to her accident. 

1396
01:12:32,440 --> 01:12:35,040
And it was five days after I got
out of the hospital. 

1397
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:37,400
And of course she still wanted 
to do it. 

1398
01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:41,880
So we borrowed a bike from a 
local company that it's just a, 

1399
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:44,200
it's just a trike with an 
electric throttle. 

1400
01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:47,760
And so, yeah, we got home from 
the hospital on Monday. 

1401
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:50,520
We left for the triathlon on 
Friday, and we did the triathlon

1402
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:52,800
on Saturday. 
So she skipped the swim just 

1403
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:55,520
because she's not she at this 
point, she's still healing from 

1404
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:57,560
her surgery. 
So she wasn't allowed to be in 

1405
01:12:57,560 --> 01:13:00,840
the water, but she did the bike 
and the run with me. 

1406
01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:04,160
And it was just super cool to 
have Savannah there. 

1407
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:07,640
And I make this joke that it was
the best experience, but also 

1408
01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:11,320
the worst experience of my life 
because I'm like putting in this

1409
01:13:11,320 --> 01:13:15,680
work and biking and I'm running 
and Savannah, quite frankly, is 

1410
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:17,880
not doing any work. 
She's just twisting A throttle. 

1411
01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:22,440
And I didn't get, I didn't get 
one bit of praise the whole time

1412
01:13:22,440 --> 01:13:25,200
during the triathlon because I'm
with this cute girl and, you 

1413
01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:27,920
know, like an adaptive bike. 
So everyone's like, yeah, go 

1414
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:29,320
Savannah. 
Wow, you're so amazing. 

1415
01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:32,080
And I'm like running and biking 
next for the whole time getting 

1416
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:34,080
0 praise. 
And I'm like this is the worst. 

1417
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:35,920
I guess this. 
Is awful. 

1418
01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:39,200
So anyway, that was just another
really cool experience and I 

1419
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:40,720
think kind of where it started 
for me. 

1420
01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:44,160
Like our life really can be 
totally normal and totally fun 

1421
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:46,560
and we can do whatever we put 
our mind to so. 

1422
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:47,880
That's awesome. 
Yeah. 

1423
01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:50,840
Well, you're pretty incredible 
people, for sure. 

1424
01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:53,720
The positive attitude, what 
you've gone through, the fact 

1425
01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:56,640
that you are totally fine. 
You're just like, yeah, 

1426
01:13:56,720 --> 01:13:58,440
absolutely. 
I'd keep this in a heartbeat 

1427
01:13:58,440 --> 01:14:00,760
because of all the cool things 
that have happened and looking 

1428
01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:02,320
at your future in such a 
positive way. 

1429
01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:04,080
I think it's really awesome. 
Thank you. 

1430
01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:08,120
Yeah, Anything else? 
I don't think so I can think of 

1431
01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:10,160
unless you have any questions. 
No, I'm good, man. 

1432
01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:11,880
Thanks for being here. 
I appreciate you guys. 

1433
01:14:12,240 --> 01:14:12,880
Yeah, really. 
Good. 

1434
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:14,240
It's been awesome. 
Thank you.