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All the above. We actually did this
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Mohammed, what are we doing on the certain day of certain month
of this certain year? On the 5th of December 2024, we
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Now let's get to the episode. So I reiterate here, the bill is
dead. The story of this great city is
about the years before this night.
Hey everybody, it's a new episode of Hong Kong.
It's us again after the intro. Hope you enjoyed the music.
We're sitting here with the buddy, but before we get to the
buddy, I'm sitting here with some other guy.
Exactly. Hey, everybody.
I liked Muhammad's intro with the hey, everybody.
Yeah, I haven't heard him ever do that because I've never heard
Muhammad go. Hey everybody.
Yeah, I usually go, hey. Yeah, go like, yeah.
It's like, which tone is that? Hey, like up to that.
So this is you initially getting it?
Yeah, your life is all OK, back to reality.
Never mind today, somehow I don't know what it is that
you're that's going to get any better.
I think it's because we did the first intro and then I just
decided on like radio voice and I'm like, I'm not that guy.
That's why, yeah, you're like, yeah, you know what, Everybody
is 8:30 PM in the morning, in the evening.
Yeah, that's me. Yeah, I love those phony DJ.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let go to the tune.
This is Britney Spears with Hit Me Baby one more Time.
Yikes. Oh God.
Anyway, Speaking of hitting my baby one more time.
You hit your baby recently. Well, let me just say, define
baby. I mean, yeah.
Anyway. No, actually, we're coming to
the end of the year. Oh, yeah.
But now, oddly enough, that I think the two of us are matured.
We've realized that the sound of our voices is not always the
best for the episode. No.
So we've started getting guests on and quality guests as well.
We don't just, you know, pick people.
From quality guests who make quality things.
That's actually very important. Exactly.
Sometimes a guest is quality and the product is not that great.
A lot of that's a lot of comedians, yes.
Yeah. Like the daytime job doing great
for the. World, you hear that?
Guarantee your day job. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah. But yeah, actually for you and
me, we're a bit different this year.
The end of the year because you have a ritual towards maybe
middle of December when you just completely cut off all kinds of
work. Because both sides work and I
start spending all my money. Yes, you start spending money.
I remember that. Yeah, for me, this year,
actually, the December shipping up to be the busiest month of
the year. Oh.
Dude, nice. Yeah, because we are having two
big shows at Backstage Comedy, 2 touring acts.
And I thought maybe like a shopping mall hired you as a
reindeer or something. No, that's Pete Grella.
You can hire him as a Santa. Paul Santa, definitely.
But yeah, we have Jocelyn Chair coming through on the 7th of
December and Irene too. Who as if this this recording
the sales, the the show went on sale about two days ago and it's
already 50%. Oh my goodness.
So we're definitely adding a show for her.
So it's going to be quite busy. But yeah, Irene is on the 21st
of December, Jocelyn on the 7th, going to be a big month.
And our 200th episode that's right on the 5th of December.
So we're having a bunch of stuff going on.
Very exciting. Yeah.
So you'll be chilling at home. I'll be working my Dick off.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
So the best thing is if you need some retail therapy, don't go to
the shopping malls because it'll be just a bunch of people.
It can be terrible, but go online.
Yes, go online comes just as good.
Buy a ticket. Actually a bunch of them are.
Also we're trying to get people to commit early so the advance
tickets are cheaper than day of show.
So absolutely, they're $50 cheaper and you can just save
that $50.00 and buy a sideshow tea.
Yeah, look, look at that. That's a professional segue.
Segue into yes, when you when you, when you done our stuff and
you have money leftover. Let's now introduce our guests
and let them have the crumbs. Yes, we are like we are.
Like the American economy, I don't even.
Think that is a security for $50?
Depending on the currency I guess.
Yeah, yeah, exactly. In pounds.
Exactly. Exactly.
Yeah. So, OK, so we're sitting here,
you probably have heard, have seen such a tea somewhere around
in the city over the last few years, I would say even some
supermarkets carry them now. And you're wondering what is
that? Is that like, does it look like
champagne? Yeah.
Is that like some healthy drink that tastes like cough syrup?
Like what is? What is that thing?
So I have had the same yeah question before when I saw it
without knowing who's behind it until I realized who's behind it
is one of my good friends. But also, why do you make tea?
That's tea in a bottle. That's just weird.
Yeah, I heard a message in a bottle, but not a tea.
Anyway, tell us, tell us a bit about Scishow Tea.
Yeah, thanks for having me on, guys.
So technically I didn't actually make the tea.
It's my sister and her husband that make it in UK.
So they're both PhD in food science and.
What is food science? I don't really know something
chemistry with food. Oh, but you can get a PhD in
food science. I feel a lot of stay at home
moms are really pissed off now. They're like, bitch, I can do
much better than actually I don't get a certificate for.
That all like grandmas have PHDI guess in food.
Science, like I bet you Aunt Annie with the whole pretzels
and everything is going like shut the fuck up man, PhD my
ass. Hey, so tell us food science.
They basically pretty much looked at food.
Is it like to create a new food? So after doing her PhD, my
sister worked at Mondelez, so like the mother company of
Cadbury. And honestly, I still don't know
what she does. Every time she comes back for
holidays, she's just bags of chocolate.
Then I just don't ask questions. Yeah.
Yeah, exactly. Eat it.
You know, with your mouthful. You can't talk.
So then we don't ask the questions.
Makes sense. So basically I got all the
alcoholic genes in the family and my sister doesn't drink, so
that's why she wanted to create a beverage that she could enjoy
during a nice fancy meal. And that's pretty much how
Scishow was born. What does scishow mean?
Actually, what's the? So Scishow was one of the first
monks that brought tea seeds from China to Japan, kind of
symbolizing Old World to New World.
And that's kind of what we're doing.
Tea's been around for ages, but we're just putting a modern
twist to it. And that's, yeah, that's pretty
much how we got our name. Scishow right over there.
Everybody who's at home trying to say I need a bit more
spirituality in my life. You don't need, like, you know,
lemon teas. You don't need Lipton.
You don't need all that, you know, Yeah, Sri Lankan tea.
You need Saicho. It it does seem like a
completely like new product, almost like I have not seen I
don't drink either and I I have not seen a like a product that
is similar to that before. I'm sure maybe they exist
elsewhere, but it seems like tea in a bottle, like sparkling tea
in a bottle seems very new. Yeah, we were kind of one of the
first people to do it and then so the idea was always trying to
find a high end non alcoholic beverage.
And besides, besides, before we came along, it was kind of just
high end water and kind of juice.
Yes, yeah, basically Perrier, right, exactly.
Water. I didn't sparkle.
Yes, yes, I actually went to my buddies bar, the new Barfagai.
Yeah. Yeah, they have.
Yeah. Exactly.
And I didn't know even. And he knows Justin knows I
don't drink. And he's like, can Ioffer you
something sideshow? I'm like, huh?
You have it. Yeah, so that was cool, but
that's actually a really good example of going to a place as a
non drinker and being kind of excited about the non alcoholic
option. Yeah, so the whole idea is we
tell people to serve in a champagne glass because even if
you don't drink, you shouldn't get singled out because if
you're holding a Coke or like a juice, you're a meal.
Oh, that guy doesn't drink. Let's not talk to him.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know what you could do? Because I know a lot of, let's
say events at at accompany events, they always have the
toasting thing and there's always, it's Ginger real every
single time. Yes, you need to hit that market
and tell them that look, look, look, OK.
It looks just as good. But this time your guests will
actually want to sip it. Yeah.
So, you know, that could be a very a good edge as well.
So. Like we always in moments of
celebration, so whenever you have like something to celebrate
about or you're just with some friends having a nice meal,
that's where we kind of fit into that scenario.
Would you say like one of the ultimate things if you, if you
could ever do is to become to replace a champagne at, let's
say, Grand Prix to make people want to like put scishow?
Yeah. That's the dream, That's the
dream. I'm just saying, I mean,
Schumacher, have you listened to this podcast, which you know you
are? Well, you can actually like the
golf people because there is the F1 in Abu Dhabi, for example,
the Grand Prix in Abu Dhabi. And obviously the the culture is
not alcoholic. Yeah.
If you can get into that, that's actually a perfect match of
what? Yeah, like you're saying, Vivek,
just like, you know, F1 podium. Yeah.
And then it's a country that doesn't drink.
That's where it's actually like almost a perfect fit.
Yeah, exactly. But I think the sponsorship
money right now is sky high. Well, when we will get that one
day, we'll get that one. Day I mean look it's OK the two
the two of U.S. Business people can give you
advice anytime you need it. You know like we know we know
how to run a successful business of $14 million that you know
like and he's I'm actually need some help.
Call upon MO and VI feel. Like I'm in good hands I feel
like. You are, yes.
So how does the process of manufacturing start?
Like how do you make a tea in a bottle with bubbles?
So I guess the step one is sourcing good tea.
If you look at the back of the label, all our products are just
90 plus percent tea and then we just add a little bit of citric
acid and a little bit of white grape juice for balance.
And then so we cold brew the tea for 24 hours and then we add the
citric acid and white grape juice and then we just
pasteurize it and we carbonate it and then we pasteurize it.
So the whole process is actually relatively simple, but it's just
a fine balance of all like the three, four ingredients that we
have. So keeping it's simple is
actually one of the harder things to do.
So the we just want the tea to shine too.
I I think that's exactly where the food science came in.
Citric acid. We pasteurized that stuff and we
cold brew it. I'm like, hold on, hold on, hold
on. What?
What is it? Hold on.
Let's just calm down again. You just pour in some little
lemony juicy thing, you know, and you left it in the fridge
for a while while it was cold brewing.
Yeah. You know, and then you
pasteurized it. You left it out in the sun for
too long. You're like, ah shit, I didn't.
Forgot you said a bunch of fancy.
Words, really. Yeah, that sounds Oh, no, you
passed away. Yeah, you know.
Pasteurized and the other one is probably the same word then.
Yeah, yeah, function. I learned all these words these
few years exactly. I was waiting.
I thought you would be like you learned it yesterday for this
interview. Yeah, studied.
I studied hard. Yeah, sure.
So let me come back to this. OK, So your sister, she was
already into this kind of, let's say, food science stuff.
We're creating different, whether it's foods or beverages
or whatever, right? But then she figured, I want to
go into the tea market. What was the inspiration?
Was it that one day she was at, let's say, a dim sum place in
the UK and she's like, yeah, what is this Tikkun yam crap?
I can't do this. What was what was the reason to
why even go into this? Why not other stuff like coffee
or even like other things? I think she, I think they
started because there was a competition to create a new kind
of beverage and then they were looking at different
ingredients. Just that tea has also a lot of
tiwar like like a lot of history behind it, so similar to wine.
So that's why they kind of went with tea.
And I think at that time the whole coffee market was quite
saturated. So she wanted to go with
something more unique in that sense.
But also, you know, everyone knows teas.
But would you say like the, the, the tea market, the type of
people are different because I find that tea there's different
layers. You got the people who are there
just have a cup of tea because whatever, right?
It's just what I do at 4:00 PM. And you got the ones who like
literally are at the level of wine going.
I need to smell the leash and then have.
You heard of Jessie Jessie's tea house in China?
No, So he was on a guest on a podcast.
He's also a comedian, used to be like a stand up comedian in
Beijing. And he's actually an American
guy who studied in Beijing, speaks fluent Mandarin, white
American, and he sells tea, Chinese tea to the world pretty
much. And he's very like rooted into
this part of the world. So we recorded with him in
Taipei a few months. Yeah.
Exactly, but he speaks like completely fluent Mandarin if we
actually speak to him. Do you know who Dashan is?
No, So Dashan is like this other a Canadian white guy who was
like the first white guy to like, speak Mandarin on like a
global level. And Jesse is one of the later
guys. But anyway, he's an interesting
story because it's exactly what they're saying.
He's like that level of like tea guru.
Yeah. And, you know, I watch his very
big following online and his videos are all like super nerdy
stuff about tea and the sourcing of like a certain leave that
comes from like a Tibet mountain or whatever.
I'm like, man, I have no like, I didn't know you can go that
deep. Yeah, that that's like to a
point is like, OK, this is not healthy.
But yeah, it's his. Like he makes a living out of
it. Absolutely, yeah.
And, and I think that's what I appreciate the most is when
you're able to extract so much out of an element.
Yes. And most people just like brew
and that's it. You're like, yeah.
But you're missing so much of the other good stuff as well.
And I think is that, is that what the inspiration was, that
tea gives you so many options, like coffee?
Obviously there's a big game, but I feel coffee in many ways
is a little bit too, too cool. Yeah, you know, everyone's
trying to be cool about it and everyone's it's a little bit of
Emperor's New Clothes where like everyone's going to be like, oh,
I know coffee, let me tell you about it, right.
But I feel tea's a bit more refined with the history and
also it's not such a young thing to start off with.
So therefore you have all these like so-called Jemboy, as in
like the older generation, like that's you don't mess with
tradition do that way, right. So in a way, would you say it's
literally just the same as I say Bruce Lee when he started doing
let's say all the martial arts and you had all the traditional
ways, but he was the one who's saying but why can't we do it
this way? Would you say your sister's?
Would you say your? Sister's would definitely like
Bruce Lee. Just say no more.
Yeah, we get side you, you have the Bruce Lee edition, yes.
No, but I'm saying like you're taking something that's
traditionally always like this is the way we do it.
That's all we do, That's all it's done.
That's the only correct way. You can use that as your
tagline. The Bruce Lee of T, Yeah.
Yeah, are you? Are you serious, Bruce T Yeah.
Would you like, is that the goal?
Like that was the inspiration slash goal of like, I want to
take some as traditional. Can I add my little food science
stuff my PhD, throw it into the mix, and then create something
that people didn't realize they could all along?
Well, I I don't want to speak for my sister, but I.
I think that's why you're here, because she's not here.
Yeah. Yeah.
You're the representative of the company.
Client so you. Have to speak for her, but for
the company, yeah. Inspiration.
Like, would you remember when she was telling you about this
idea? Like, I want to do this as this.
What was the thing that she like?
What was the pitch that she told you and made you go like, OK, I
could support this? Or was it like, you're my
brother? You bet.
Goddamn. Get this done.
Well, I think when she told me, because my sister's quite close,
she doesn't tell anyone anything until it's perfectly done,
right. So it was in UK.
So we launched, well, they launched in 2019 in December and
then in UK, so everything was shut down.
So all the restaurants. And then she told me, Phil, you
have a bit of stock sitting around.
We can't sell. So my, my before I did, yeah.
Yeah, let's get into your background as well.
I, I did recruitment, I have my own recruitment firm doing front
office banking. So I'm like.
What is? That the ironic thing is she
ended up recruiting you. Yeah, and didn't pay me well,
yeah. Yeah, so she played again, But
how can I get these guys a job and get my Commission?
She's like, no Commission, no. No pay.
Yeah, you work for free, so you get free tea.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, Yeah.
So before that you were in recruitment, Yeah, you said in
the banking? So I recruited for front office
banking like Cobra banking. So that was my bread and butter.
Did that for 1213 years and then this opportunity came along and
then so I started a distribution firm for her and then and then I
started selling tea. The good thing is now my product
doesn't talk back at me. Yeah, finally, right.
Yeah. Yeah, that's pretty good
actually. So yeah, you're, you're
completely off the like that's a big shift from HR basically
recruitment to distribution. Those are like very different.
Have you? Ever found yourself by mistake
in looking at the bottle? So I should go like, why should
I sell you? Yeah, exactly.
Very different lines of work he's giving.
Me. The silent treatment, yeah.
Tell me why you're doing so good.
And like, this spins around the ingredients, like, oh, I see
your credentials. Yeah.
You have citric acid. OK.
We can use a white grape juice. Oh my God, yeah, we definitely
need some of that in our company.
So yeah, no, I it was, I mean, the recruitment firm's still
running in the background, so I just got people doing it.
Sure, but I'm mostly focused doing this now, actually.
It's been super fun learning a whole new industry.
FMB, super fun. People are super friendly.
Not saying banking people aren't.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, all the corporate bankers out there still love you.
Yeah. Absolutely.
So because I remember I also saw, first of all, just a little
recap, actually last year, I believe when I did my Cantonese
show in Hong Kong, Saito was one of the sponsors.
Yeah. So I remember that.
And that was my first time basically get coming upon your
brand. I didn't know it was you behind
it or your sister for that matter.
And I was like, OK, it's pretty good.
We had her like, first of all, my girlfriend, she loves like
this kind of tea and stuff. And my mom also likes it.
And we had him like, oh, this is very different.
You know, we're not expecting this kind of thing.
So that in itself left an impression of like, oh, this is
different. It wasn't, I'll be honest, it
wasn't enough for me to be like, Oh my God, we need to get 20 or
more of these, right. It is this year when first of
all, I saw you at the Wine and Dine festival in Hong Kong.
So everybody, if you've never done Wine and Dine, first of
all, you have to do this. Yeah, every, please go check it
out. And then after you go there,
whatever little little coupon card you get, go to Sideshow and
spend it over there. And I remember seeing then and I
tried like one of the drinks over there as well.
They were very impressed. And The funny thing is the next
day my girlfriend and my mom went to the One and Dine
Festival, went to Sideshow, didn't realize.
And that they, that we had that last year they got it got like 3
bottles really. I liked it so much I'm like OK,
I think we found something that we like because I forget which
one yeah, there was the Haji child one that one.
OK, first of all, if I think something's shit, I'm going to
be happy to say it, right. First of all, Vizio, fuck you.
Yeah, yeah, I really if. You ever have any hope to work
with Vizio Bakery after this episode?
It's Dash, it's complete, it's out of the window.
Still suck. I've given them so many chances.
Nothing's good about it. Yeah, however, Bake has great
cookies now. The thing is though, your Haji
shot has down dude. Like, first of all, it wasn't
just the flavor and everything, it was the fact that I could
find something that the three of us, my mom, my girlfriend and
myself really thoroughly enjoyed to the point I was like, OK, I
think we found a drink we are going to now regularly be
getting. Yeah.
To the point that we're like, I would, yeah, this is going to be
a thing now. And I remember telling them I
was on your website and I was like, so if you buy 6, it's
cheaper. I mean, do you want 6?
That I calm down. Yeah, 6 big bottles, big bottle
these. A lot.
They were like, relax, something has space.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that I was like, oh, you're
right. Yeah.
So definitely that is something I recommend everyone if you
haven't tried it before and you think which one?
My recommendation? If you don't like Vizio and
stuff, you're gonna like the Hojicha one.
If you do like Vizio and stuff, please turn off the podcast.
Right now unsubscribe. We don't need.
You, that's why I'll accept it. I'll accept the loss over there.
Yeah, no, but that one was really like stand out.
That was legit good. So actually most people, well, I
personally, I also like the Hojicha.
That's also my favorite one. But actually, surprisingly, our
best seller is the Jasmine. I figured.
Yeah, that's almost like a mainstream.
Yeah, yeah. Absolutely.
Like the jazz, when we had it, I was like, that's mainstream.
As in like it's as they call them kind of yeep, how as like,
you know, anyone, the basic beginner, whatever, it won't be
a problem. It's not loud enough to be like,
Oh my God, I'm not into this. It's like pop music versus let's
say jazz, right? Some people just don't get jazz.
So I think that's the thing. And I think, wouldn't you say
what was the first one that you that the brand was working on?
Was it all three at the same time?
So yeah, we started for four years.
We only have 3 core flavors. We've done 2 special flavors
before, but even with one of every single the core flavors,
my brother-in-law tried 60-70 versions of that one T.
Oh my God. So even when I went over to the
UK, when they do R&D, he has like 20 of these different teas
of cold brew tea lined up. How do you?
Even know what is what after a. While by the 4th one he's just
like the stringency of this. I'm like dude.
How do you know? Yeah.
He's like swirling in his mouth. Yeah, glass was this glass is
like, Oh my God, people, please stop.
But I will tell you this though, like, because first of all, the
balance of having, let's say the gasp, the bubbles and
everything, the sparkliness to it.
Yeah, OK, I've had Perrier, Perrier, sparkly, blah, blah,
blah, whatever. But I don't feel like it's
raised the quality of my water to a level where I'm like I'm
I'm enjoying it. Yeah, because sparkling water
sucks. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's number
one. But I'm saying it's like with
this one though, yeah, if I had it flat, it's.
Still good, yes. And adding the sparkling just
took it to another level where, and I say this not because
you're here, but I thoroughly remember I was like, Oh my God
this is legit. Like damn dude.
Like it took them done well. On your website here, it says
that Huji Cha comes from Japan. Is that the story of like I'm
I'm an idiot? Is Huji cha always from Japan?
Is that like where it's? Yeah, it's a so it's a roasted
green tea from Japan. So they basically used back then
in Japan, they used the stem. So after they processed the tea,
they figured out there's a lot of twigs and stems.
They, they could have been, you know, it's a wastage.
So they just started roasting that outside their tea shops and
then the aroma attracts the people there.
So that's how Kinda Ho Chi Sha was started.
See. This is the stuff like this
could only happen in Asia. Yes, yeah.
Anywhere else, like we don't use this stuff, we have abundance of
the others, but here we're like, no dude, make whatever, use
everything, yeah, go straight man.
And turns out it actually came to a beneficial.
And I don't know anything I've, I don't think I've seen this
word before. Darjeeling.
What is that? So Darjeeling is where they
thank God I did my homework. Dodge it.
Darjeeling is it's where they make tea in India.
They it's called the kind of champagne area, the equivalent.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where they make tea.
So yeah, a lot of good teas come from Darjeeling, especially
black tea. Yeah, yeah, that's, have you
been on those sourcing trips? Actually, I've been to the one
in. No, actually I haven't.
No, I went to, I went to one in China, but we didn't source the
tea there. But I saw a tea farm there.
So the Jasmine tea, according to your website, Jasmine comes from
Fujian. Yeah.
And then Darjeeling is from India, and then the Hojita is
from Japan. Yeah.
Yeah, right. So my brother-in-law, we just
saw, we just did a special limited edition called 60 Stone
Mountain. So we've sourced that tea from
Hua Lian in Taiwan. And my brother-in-law actually
flew there and then saw the tea farm, said hi to the guy and
then made a limited edition, which is we only had 1288
bottles. Yeah.
And in Hong Kong, we probably only had 600.
And yeah. So you want to get a hands on
one, you better act quick. OK.
So it's available now on your website?
Yeah. Yeah.
Whoa. OK, OK, OK.
That that's pretty. I mean, it would be very
interesting for people to try again.
I, I would, I would recommend this like honestly go with the
the three that are always there. The reason is this, if you start
with the rare one and you fall in love with that.
Yeah, you get spoiled. Yeah, you.
Get spoiled and you hate yourself with the rest.
I could never believe that. And you start on this, this
stupid backpack journey on trying to find that flavor.
Yeah, it'll make it one of those stupid movies where it's like, I
did that flavor. And you become like a
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Let's come back to you now. We've been talking about the
side to origin story and everything.
I'm very curious actually, your original story of, first of all,
in the recruitment business, I'm always curious about the idea of
recruitment. Is that not sometimes weird when
you have to approach people like, hey, I know somebody wants
you. Like, how does it work?
I've worked with recruitment companies where I'm just like a
guest or a performer or whatever.
But the idea of like, so let's say I'm a company, I'm like, hey
man, I need someone that's 65, I knows Excel and can make me a
lot of money, right? And then I come.
To like a profile on a dating app.
Yeah, that's what I mean. That's so would you have, and do
you have a database of people going like, hey, guys love
hiking? Yeah, I'm a foodie.
And if you need to make some
money, I'm your guy, you know? No blacks piece, you know what
about? Well, how I got into
recruitment. So after graduating and then
spending a year in Shanghai learning Mandarin, I'm doing air
quotes in case you no one saw. Yeah, yeah.
So how, man? Your mandarin's Boo.
How? Yeah.
Boo how indeed. And then start looking for a
job. Applied for a Cathay, failed on
the last round and then. Wait, you wanted to do cabin
crew? Yeah.
Well, I wanted to do their management training for fiscal.
Right, I would. Love to.
Yeah, yeah, you as Kevin crew would be great.
You walking over a bit like, hey, guys, OK, OK, Look, look,
look, look. Look great in a mini skirt.
Yeah, yeah. You walk over a bit, I know you
want your tea, but let me tell you a side joke.
Yeah, exactly. Do you want tea or coffee?
Yeah. Too bad you're only getting
side. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, like, yeah. So you tried that.
That didn't work. So I.
Couldn't find a job and then one of my friends was working at a
recruitment firm. Asked me if I wanted to do
recruitment so. Was that ever a dream of yours?
Like one day if I could just, you know, connect dots and stuff
like that. Yeah, made it first year, made
my dreams come true. First year working, yeah.
So yeah, then I got in and then basically it's just learning
about the industry I'm recruiting for for the first two
months and then learning about what recruitment really is.
A lot of expectations. Explain to the listeners what
what it is exactly like. We know the concept obviously
like you go find employees for companies to hire, but what does
that entail? So sometimes the the company,
like the banks will give you a job.
Sometimes you will have a great candidate that you go to the
bank and say look at this guy at the beginning.
It's just a lot of trial and error.
Getting yelled by HR? Yeah.
Getting like. That's what we want, yeah.
Getting like creamed by the HR and then just.
But it's yeah, it's just a learning process.
Learning what they want. Learning what you, the candidate
you offer what, what skill sets they have and then kind of
matching it up. But the more you do it,
especially if it's an area you specialize in, the better you
get at you better, the better you get at it.
So. Yeah, you can tell.
Like. Oh yeah, I'm pretty sure they
need this type. Of yeah, exactly.
This company has this kind of culture.
They probably want somebody that's a bit more like that.
Yeah, exactly. And eventually, yeah.
And then after doing it for 10 years, then people just come to
you like they know you specialize in this space.
And then after 10 years sometime, then your comments and
opinions actually mean something.
Yeah, right, right. Yeah.
They come up to you like, OK, we we're looking for someone who
can travel a lot and help us represent the brand.
You're like, let let me let me tell you what you really need.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't need that shit.
What you need is sideshow. Yeah, I get it.
So. This is what you should be
paying them, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
OK. That's interesting, man.
But I'm guessing like with this, you said you were more front
office banks and everything. So corporate banking,
specifically relationship managers.
OK, OK. Relationship managers right
over. There, I think a very small
slither of banking, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
The ones who are willing to have us not.
Commercial. Just corporate relationship
managers. Yeah, corporate.
Commercial relationship managers.
Yeah, yeah. Makes sense.
Wow. Well, there is another side of
you that as a friend I know that is really that I thought was
really, really interesting, which is you're also like an
ultra. I don't even know what the right
word is. Ultra runner, ultra marathon
runner, Like you do a lot of very long distance kind of
triathlon stuff. Yeah, so a few years ago I
started to do running. It all started when I overheard
a conversation whilst drunk some of my friends were having.
It was like about this really long, this one of the hardest
foot race called Racing the Planet.
So it's a 250 kilometers race, self-sustaining.
So you have to carry a backpack. It's over 7 days and then they
were talking about how this is super hard and I was drunk and
then I was like bullshit, Give me 5 years.
I bet I could train for it. Yeah.
So on the spot you shook hands with me for 50K.
If you do it in five years, I'll pay you 50K.
So you're just did it basically for the money?
Yeah, well, yeah. And draw.
Money. Yes, yes.
So but that by that time I wasn't exercising at all.
I was like 200 lbs like having. 200 lbs in kilograms. 100 kilos.
OK, yeah. Fat.
Yeah. You're not, you're not very
tall. So obviously 100 kilograms is
like big fat. Yeah, yeah.
So then try. To be nice, big, yeah.
Yeah. Big bone.
Yeah, Big bone. Yeah, without the bone.
Yeah. So that you're a big boy.
Yeah. So start just skipping rope.
Half marathon, Full marathon, but.
You're you're Wait, wait, slow down.
Those are like big jumps. Yeah.
Skipping rope, which I don't even know in my weight.
I can't even do it. Can.
Can you tell us your fitness regime in like a rocky montage
style? You know, you see you had the
skipping rope and then. So yeah, it was just, it was
back then it was 200 lbs. So I needed to skip rope 'cause
my knees couldn't handle. What was day one like when you
decide when you woke up after that getting drunk and
everything and you're like, wait, what?
Well, day one was fuck right Fuck I gotta do this now.
And then, like, slowly, the music starts fading and Ding
Ding Ding Ding Ding. Ding, but there must be a part
of you that's also like, oh, that's in five years.
Who fucking? Cares that, right?
No, I kind of really hopped on to getting things done quite
quickly. So I like.
So I wanted to skip rope first. I think I saw somewhere that's
very good for losing weight. Yeah.
So I start off with, you know, one of a cheap $20 ropes.
Yeah. And then that broke within a
week. Did you have like a sweat, a
jumper on with like the hoodie over your head and you like
dripping in sweat and. Yeah.
Well, no, I was just covered in sweat regardless.
On the right, you didn't need that, yeah.
So that broke within a week. And then I went online to look
for some skipping rope program. So there was one that was, oh,
you, you, you skip. And then they gave you a whole
program, but they also sold you skipping ropes, the weighted
skipping ropes, yes. And then there was like half a
half a pound, 1 LB, two pounds. Yeah, this sounds pretty good.
And then I looked at the price. It was 2000 Hong Kong dollars
for ropes. Man, you're like, I don't know
what's going on here. Man where you can get the same
thing weighted at decathlon for like $100.
Yeah. And then so I bought it.
Yeah, it's all in men. 50K. Let's do this because.
I was thinking, oh, if I spent $2000 on these, I do it.
Yeah, definitely skipping, sure. Yeah, that's actually a good
mentality. Like you are almost forcing
yourself to be like, I can't. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's stupid. Some cost now, yeah.
Yeah, yeah. So then I started skipping rope
every day for three months and then really lost a bit of weight
and. That's already difficult.
Like as someone who's like tried for like a second, Yeah, yeah,
it's very, I'm not, I'm not overweight.
It's just difficult. It's difficult to coordinate.
Yeah, it was hard at, I think the first two weeks was a lot of
whipping your own legs. Yeah, and bruising everything.
Yeah. But after a while, you just get,
you just got start getting into like most things you do, once
you do it for two weeks straight, sure you're bound to
the power. Of.
Some, yeah, I get some improvement.
Yeah, so did that and then started to do a bit more
running, incorporate that and then yeah, like a 10K, half a
marathon, full marathon, back-to-back marathon, then
start to do some trail running. SO50K75K do.
You see the same faces though at these competitions.
Do you see like the same bunch of people?
You see one? I mean, I'm not great with face,
like I think I've seen that white guy before, but maybe I'm
being racist. But yeah, one or two.
But actually in the 250 KM racing the planet.
So I didn't want in Finland and I just did one in Gobi.
I definitely saw some same faces there.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. The big ones.
You're also saying these things like they're like normal
achievements, Yeah, what you can do like you have done.
So I remember you've been you did one like somewhere in Europe
maybe that's the. Finland one.
Yeah, yeah. But those things are what, 345
days, sometimes at a time? So that was a six day, six day
event. So six day 250K, yeah.
Right. So explain to people the normal
people like myself would never do that.
What? What does that entail?
Because you're not in staying in hotels.
Yeah, you're not. You're just camping on the road,
right? So, yeah, so you basically you
have all your stuff. You go to the, you go to the
hotel and then they then you take a bus to middle of nowhere.
Yeah. So in in Finland we did Lapland.
So the you have your all your gear on you, which is around 10
KG. OK.
And then so that's. Including a tent and sleeping
bag. So sleeping bag, sleeping mat,
the tent they'll set up after every day.
So the first day you do a marathon, so they set up the
tent and then the next day you do a marathon and then out a
tent. Third day you do a marathon and
then they set out a tent. 4th day you do a marathon and then
they set out a tent. 5th day you do a double marathon.
Double marathon which means 2 marathons back to.
Back. Yeah, back-to-back.
So 90K. As soon as you get to the finish
line, you're like, all right it. Was that's not the finish line
After the 90K80K they give you a little bit of rest day and then
you finish the next day with a 10K.
Like. But by, by, by the but after
you're done with 80K, that's usually when you know it's, you
know you've done 240 already, Sure, you just got 10K left and
it's you're, you're celebrating already.
Yeah, right, right. Yeah.
How many times has this become the story that you talk about
over drinks with with new people you just meet?
Depends how drunk I get. It comes out when I get really
drunk. I am fair enough.
So you did all these things. Have you come to a point where
it's like now part of your life or do you feel like I've done,
I've achieved it, you know, I'm good, I'm going to go.
I, I, I, I'm going to calm down with that stuff.
So the the whole series is called so racing client.
There's Gobi, Namibia, Atacama and Antarctica.
There's still one like I probably won't do Antarctica,
but I want to do Namibia. I think Namibia and Atacama.
I really want to. What are you checking?
Atacama, Chile. Nice.
OK. So just all over the world
basically, like Africa, South America.
Yeah, though two more I want to kind of check out and see what.
It's about do you now look down upon people on treadmills?
You got to come off, dude. You're nothing to me.
No, it's just a different way. I mean, but you do get bored.
You're not seeing different scenarios on the treadmill
unless it's the ones with the screen.
Yeah. But I mean, yeah, for you, I
find it especially interesting because I know you're you're a
good friend and I went out with you a lot and you don't actually
have a healthy lifestyle at all. I think if people don't know who
you are and they don't see you, they might think we're talking
to some like crazy athletic jacked guy who's like has that
lifestyle. But that's what I'm like, how
like I, when I go out with you and I see you like smoking and
drinking and stuff, I'm like, how are you doing this?
How are you doing this? And the things that you're
doing, like are things that most very fit people I know in my
life would not do. Like things like, yeah, running
for seven days. This is.
That's just this. Will be the perfect time to.
Yeah, it's actually not mutually exclusive.
Actually the on the Finland race it was funny, like I was like,
Oh yeah, I'm doing something healthy, let me try quitting
cigarettes. So I didn't bring any cigarettes
to the Finland race, right. By the 4th day I was really
jonesing. I was like, fuck, I really want
a cigarette. So I I I couldn't find.
I was asking everyone, apparently no one there smoking
cigarettes. Yeah.
Shocking. So I'm in Lapland in the middle
of really nowhere. Yeah.
But then I saw on the 4th day, like halfway through the day, I
was like I saw a little Hut that was kind of like it deviates
from. Port delusional dude.
Yeah, we're like I was. Seeing things.
Mirage. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Mirage with the shape of Marlboro.
Yeah, that's what. Yeah, so I, I, I was like, fuck
it, I'm gonna try see if this Hut thing has anyone who a
cigarette. So it got to the Hut and then I
was like, oh, I'm sorry guys. I was in a super fit gear, like
tights with a bag. I was like looking super fit,
like yeah, sorry. Do you guys have any cigarettes
by any chance? And they're like, oh, no
English. So I did the smoking side and
then, oh, so they pulled out a cigarette.
I was like, Oh my God, there is a God, no.
Oh my God, there is. A God.
That is amazing. Like just that story alone.
Also shows that that would be such a gangster photo.
Yeah, this guy's running with a cigarette.
Going like this is too easy. Yeah, the fuck out of here.
Yeah. Do you want to be that like
Chinese uncle? Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, that guy read it in super fast time, like 3 hours
something. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He's like chain smoker while running.
But apparently you got disqualified because you're not
How to smoke Jerry. No shit.
So you actually took a detour, found the cigarette, had the
cigarette like this is the best cigarette of my life.
Better than crossing the finish line.
How do you you're obviously a very smart guy.
How do you rationalize that in your head?
Like especially with the smoking part.
Like why this had to quit before this race?
That part. No, no, no.
In general, like meant like doing this and maintaining a
very healthy habit that like, you know.
I mean, life is short. You just don't do it, all right?
Right. Mutually exclusive.
So I mean you could still smoke and run.
Yeah, OK. That's no.
But I, I guess my point is that because you do it competitively
as well. So wouldn't you want?
Well, it's not really that competitive.
It's really just for your own at your own pace, your own journey.
So it's not I'm not racing with, I'm not trying to beat the guy
next to me. Okay, so it's just.
Wouldn't you think, and I'm not trying to convince you one way
or another, it's just like, wouldn't you think like, okay,
I'm really getting to this thing.
It's obviously very, I should maybe cut down.
It doesn't have to be smoking, but anything that's like in the
way of that to, you know what I mean?
Yeah. Well, I'm not trying to beat any
time like the first time why I did it was I just don't hate it
when people say I can't do something.
I'm like I'll. Prove you wrong, Yeah.
You're the same as Phil. I don't think you can be Patreon
subscriber and the tycoon team just saying I don't see you be
able to do it. I don't.
See you. Yeah, exactly.
Let me give you the watch. Me now the.
Wi-Fi password right now. Yeah, I know.
You mean that you hate that ideally you can't do it like why
would you say I can't? Because I only you can't like, I
think I can't go prove it. You're like, oh fuck you.
Yeah, So what did you get to make the 50K already?
So yeah, no, actually, my friend, shout out to my friend
Nick. So he actually flew over from
San Fran to Finland to meet me at the finish line.
When he told me he was going to do that, I was super touched.
Yeah. And I also told him to bring
cash. And then throughout the whole
race, like they were interviewing people.
Oh, why are you doing this race? Oh, oh, some people are raising
money for cancer. Some people are like, oh, our 10
year anniversary and then they came to me and was like, yeah, I
made a bet. A drunk bet?
Yeah, A. Drunk bet.
And then at the end of the race they compiled the video to show
snippets of like, oh, inspirational, like, well, why
people are doing this? I was like, why am I not there?
I thought I was pretty inspirational.
This is a different clientele but.
You should have showed you some. Editing era What's going on here
You. Should have showed you like
holding the bag of money, smoking a cigarette.
That's the biggest line going like this semester but.
Anyone can. So I told everyone at the race
like, you know, I made this bet with Nick and then so when they
all saw Nick, the first thing they said to Nick was like, yo,
pay up. Nice, nice, that is so cool.
So Nick did pay. Off Yeah, Nick did pay off.
Oh my God, He's amazing. Like The funny thing is that at
that point I get, I actually like Nick, even though it's 50K,
he's probably like, this was so worth it, Yeah.
Yeah, like this. Will be a story you can tell for
the rest of our lives. He.
Single handedly got me in shape. Yeah, the the ironic thing is he
should make No, no, no, you should pay me money now, man.
Now. You've been rough now.
Yeah, I made the same bet with him.
He's like you do this, I'll pay you 50K.
Oh damn. Nice.
Is he doing it? No, he did not.
He's like, I'm good, I have money.
I don't know. You're a fan, dude.
My God. So then, OK, so now obviously
with the running thing, it happens when you get a chance.
It's not like the top priority obviously right now.
So actually I after that why I signed up to the Mongolia one,
because it's just the people you meet.
There are such lovely people. And even though it's a solo
race, there's so much camaraderie.
Everyone cheers you on the finish line and everyone's got
such a cool story. Like I met a guy who worked at
NASA like he did the James Webb telescope mirrors.
So like you just the people you meet are all super.
I mean it's. True.
Like think about it, the type of people who would join these
things must have some sort of passion or purpose in life.
They're not like the I was well, except for you.
I had a, wait a second, just let you say your story.
Yeah. Because I think about like, why
would anyone go and force themselves willingly, Clearly,
clearly that they have certain ambitions of life and they want
to have like the experience and the story and they want to see
everyone win kind of a thing. Yeah.
And they just don't take that. Like, they just don't take no
for an answer. Like, I saw one of these, like
one of the girls, she had blisters and she had a blister
on top of that blister. Right.
But the idea of quitting never even crossed her mind.
She just kept, you know, pushing forward and like, that's the
kind of people that you meet during these races, which.
Yeah, I was going to ask you because, like, not even to make
it like a cheesy inspirational thing, but there must be times
where it's like either like, yeah, your legs are just giving
out, you know, or if it's too fucking cold around you and
stuff like this. Or you're dying for a cigarette,
you know. Yeah, I bought cigarettes this
time in Mongolia, I sure. But like, for moments like this,
how do you run it in your head? Because it's easy to say now,
oh, I just don't quit. That's not an option.
But like, how do you work in the moment?
Yeah, like there I just start I I well, actually the longest
smart. They call it long after the so
the 80 K day yeah when I was 70K in I was just like getting a
little loopy. I'm like, oh, what what's going
on? Yeah, so I start videoing myself
and start just telling myself jokes like what the fuck am I
here again? Yeah.
And then just, yeah, you know, keep yourself, keep try to keep
your spirit off crack jokes that no someone else's to hear.
That's amazing. And then yeah.
And then the next thing you know, it, you're ADK in.
I was like, oh shit, 10K left. OK, then you start, you know,
then yeah, just time just kind of flies by and then.
Yes, that's one of those things that just keep your mind off of
the idea of what? What like the painful thing?
Just keep going. You're like, just I'm going to
come from 10:00 to 1:10 and then you just like, wait for like 2
minutes at nine. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.
Man. I totally understand that.
OK, so the running thing is done.
Have you ever thought about using that as inspiration for
like the next, let's say scishow tea flavor or you know, like
electrolytes? For you, if you've done 80 K
drink this one, would you have with that ever your story of
doing this one anything? Would you want to incorporate in
anything else other than the actual activity itself?
So the R and DI don't do any R&D like because I don't have that
technical, but my brother-in-law is the brains behind all caught
up. But I think for me, it's after
doing this race, I just, I think I've gotten more in the habit of
just never taking no for an answer, just trying to always
think of a different way to approach a problem and there's
always going to be a solution. Just that's kind of what it
might take away from after doing these kind of races.
Yeah. So what I'm saying like with
this running thing, the would you want to incorporate other
than yourself? Like right now it's kind of
giving you a different mindset, Yes.
Would you say you want to apply this for example, either in
whatever you're doing in your work or the product or even like
share the story with people? Obviously the inspirational
speaker, all that stuff is available, but would you like
say, take it to schools, take it to different organizations,
network? Care for what you're asking here
because you're basically asking him to compete with you.
See, the problem is this he just ran.
I'm not afraid of that. No, but I'm saying like this.
I, I personally, I love these kinds of stories and I always
feel like, you know, hearing people tell that and there's
always going to be 1 kid or one person who's always inspired it,
aspired to do it. And they're probably, let's say
I'm going to say some guy is working in like this, this
recruitment job at a corporate bank front and they hear your
story like we're, we're the second.
I'm 200 lbs two. Yeah, you are that typical.
That's a prerequisite of doing all these things.
You got to be 200 lbs. First.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
You are that typical story of like the corporate kind of like
for even if you're not working for a corporate, but you're in
that ward and then you switch to almost kind of your own thing
with your family and you are also became like an ultra
marathon runner. Yeah.
And that is like, yeah, a pretty almost, yeah.
You know, like. What's your expression story
for, like a motivational speaker?
Yeah. Would you get into that?
And you are? Yeah.
Yeah, and you could also add Sideshow catering.
You see how transform your brand all the time.
Yeah, no, I'm just saying like, really, cuz like this story
itself, you, it's one of these things where people don't do it
every day. And also your background is not
your typical like, oh, I grew up in a sporty family, you know,
mom did it. So if I did it with them and I
love it, you're like, they give me a bet.
I mean, what the hell even that's possible.
What you know, so it's kind of one of those like what's your
excuse of not doing all your you're not, you're overweight.
I was away, you know, or you had no motivation, that my
motivation was just purely a bet like, you know.
Kids get into gambling right over there, yeah.
If anything, yeah, it's like you could gamble through a good way
or a bad way in a go to Macau or go to Lucy Finley, not to you.
Have you thought about incorporating it more than just
having your personal experience? Have you ever thought it like
that? To be honest, I just right now
have cuz my hands are quite full.
And also I think there's so many other people with better
stories. I think, yeah, maybe later on.
But that's where you undersell your story a lot.
Because I don't think, yes, of course there are people with
better stories. There are people like no hands
and no heads or whatever. There is always this kind of
people, but like, your story is still very unique and very
inspiring. And even throughout telling the
story, you're still telling it like it's just a night out.
Yeah, where it's like, no, dude, because you should.
Hear my Night Out story. Maybe that's the one with
university kids, you know, Yes, Yeah.
That is true. I've been out with you and it's,
yeah, it's way more way. More entertaining.
Yeah, way more entertaining for sure.
Less inspired? It.
Inspired me to not drink One quick story.
Are you like we were at our mutual friends Garry's wedding?
In. Thailand, where I was the MC and
you were the best man. So we're both like, it's almost
like a movie MC, best man. And there is a third one.
Who's the groom and what do you do?
So you had the speech as the best man.
Yeah. And you're very nervous.
Yeah, see, that's why I don't give speeches like, I guess
super. You were so nervous because
obviously as the MCA, I was going in and out introducing the
next speaker. And pretty much every time I go,
you're kind of like go around and the open bar was behind me
and you, I can just see you grabbing a bottle of whiskey.
And the bar was gone. Just don't get like it's a
bottle of Coke. Oh man, it was wild to see.
But that was also like your basic it was drowning out all
your. Yeah.
And then you did the speech, yeah, which was really good.
And he didn't look even like super drunk or anything.
But then after that you completely crashed.
Yeah, so there was the setting was 2 long tables, Yeah.
And the best man for me was sitting in the middle of the two
long tables. And then I just went 90°
backwards and slammed on the floor.
The whole wedding went quiet. I was like, and then the
apparently the maid of honor came back, came where, you know,
Phil's got the go. Yep.
And for the rest of that there was like an after party.
It was a big night, and for the rest of that, Phil was taken to
his villa. And then the next morning we
told him that he was out with us all night and he believed it.
He blacked out completely. Yeah, no idea.
After party? Sounds like somewhere I would
be, yeah. You were like, yeah, man, when
you killed the dance floor. He's like, yeah, yeah.
Nice. Looking through the photo gap,
you're like, I don't know why they never got any shot with me
in the angle through everybody. Yeah, I don't want to miss me
specifically. How did I just not be in any
shot? Yeah.
But yeah, that's like a
different I think. Yeah, you're someone who like
takes it like to the fullest. Like whatever you're doing,
you're just giving it like, yeah, 110%.
Yeah, public speaking is not really my That's Karen's thing.
Karen loves public speaking. Yeah.
So, but you, which is interesting because obviously
public speaking is still like an element of attention.
You don't like that attention. Like you're more of a private,
like, yeah. Unless I'm drunk.
Hence the explanation of what your habits are.
Yeah, well, I mean, there we go. So now for anybody over there
who, let's say, knows someone who's in recruitment or in a
kind of a corporate job and you want to kind of really make them
change all the hey, man, I believe in yous.
And, you know, look at this guy's story.
No, just slapped $50,000 and magic happens everyone.
Before we go, I was also interested because we talked a
little bit on this podcast many times about like how Hong Kong
can be a bit of a big corporation in a way, like
breaking into stuff like supermarkets and stuff like this
could be really, really difficult.
You did. Did you manage to get Saicho to
break into any of the big Big boys league in Hong Kong retail
and how? What is that process like?
So it's we're now in Citysuper Feldembo next year, a good store
and we just got into Great Pacific Place and then also
Oliver's and 360. So actually how we got onto
great was I just messaged the CEO and then she was, she had an
inspirational quote on there. I'm like, OK, that makes sense.
Let me try messaging her. And there's something about the
quote was like, you don't try, you don't get.
So I, yeah, I use that as I, I like, like your quote said, if
you don't try, you don't get. Well, here's why I'm messaging
you. And she put me in the right
people and like in touch with the right people.
And then I think the lesson is you just gotta try, gotta ask.
There's no there's what? What's the worst thing that can
happen if? You don't.
You're told no. That's it.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
Then you just think of another way to get a yes.
That's really good because I, I know a lot of people, especially
actually in Asian culture where losing face is a big thing,
people don't like to be embarrassed, right?
So I think a lot of people don't try for fear of rejection.
Yeah. Because to them, that's
embarrassing. Yeah.
Even if it's not in front of everybody, they're just
embarrassed, which is why they don't even do it right.
So you are here saying that like that I've embarrassed?
Myself a lot of times, so I've got used to it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, right over there.
We didn't even expect the inspirational story, and here
Phil is doing it without realizing it.
I'm so glad you didn't realize. It'll cost way more money if he
actually knew what he's doing. Amazing, Phil, great story.
Thank you so much for joining us for this.
Thanks for having us. What if you are to sell elevator
pitch sideshow in 60 elevator pitches?
Usually 60 seconds. Yeah.
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joining us, man. Yeah, thanks for having me.
Looking forward to having you on again with the next big thing.
Cheers. Thanks.