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Hello chefs, This is Chef's PSA 
Podcast. 

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I'm your host Andre Natara. 
On today's episode, we're going 

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to talk menus and creativity. 
Stay tuned. 

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So before we get into it, brief 
update For those of you that are

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looking for the book series that
I have on Chef's PSA. 

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Those books have officially been
translated into Spanish, so for 

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those of you that needed them in
Spanish, they're now available. 

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Now that I've finished doing 
that, my next project is I'm 

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going to start translating the 
books into Italian, and I'm also

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going to create another ebook 
for free. 

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I'll give it away on the 
three-part series that I did on 

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Food Cost. 
A lot of people really enjoyed 

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that podcast series. 
A lot of people told me they 

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learned more about money and 
finances than they ever had in 

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their life. 
So if that's something that 

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you're interested in, go back 
and listen to that three-part 

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series on food cost. 
And I'll create an accompanying 

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guide based off what was said in
that three-part series. 

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So I just put up a poll on 
Instagram and it was what was 

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today's podcast going to be 
about? 

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It was going to be about 
interviewing best practices or 

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the journey that one has to take
to become a chef. 

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Or was it going to be about 
menus and creativity? 

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Menus and creativity one, polls 
are closed. 

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So that's what we're going to 
talk about on today's podcast is

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creating menus, what my process 
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the creative process ties into. 
I did a video on Instagram the 

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other day, which was part of a 
class that I had done during the

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pandemic. 
It was called how to lead like 

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an executive chef or how to 
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And we went, you know, we 
treated it like master class and

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we went through every single 
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menu engineering was a part of 
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So I did a small little clip of 
that and I put it up on social 

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media and it talked about the 
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And I was actually surprised by 
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received on that. 
I didn't realize that that was 

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such a foreign concept to 
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So I talked about, you know, 
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or 70% of it are items that are 
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heavy lifting on the menu. 
It's everything that's going to 

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sell what I like to call the 
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then 20 or 30% depending on how 
you break that down is going to 

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be your area to play and create.
So I do want to talk about that.

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I also want to talk about the 
creative process and how that 

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ties in to building your own 
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Now before we get into all of 
this, I will say not every 

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restaurant is the same and not 
every kitchen is the same and 

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it's not a one-size-fits-all. 
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doesn't necessarily work for 
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And and you have to use a little
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out like, hey, this what you 
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but this definitely doesn't. 
So I'm going to trust that you 

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all are going to take what is 
useful and specific to your 

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restaurant and discard what is 
not and maybe just help a friend

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out who might need it. 
But not everyone's going to need

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everything I say. 
So first thing when you're 

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creating a menu, I think the 
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discover is what your brand 
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that you're creating a menu for.
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ways to do this. 
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statement or a mission 
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They have a vision board, but 
regardless of what that is, you 

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need to establish parameters of 
what falls into the box of your 

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restaurant and its menu and what
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Because where I see a lot of 
chefs go wrong is that they 

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create really delicious food or 
not delicious food. 

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And they put it on the menu 
where it doesn't make any sense.

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And the example I'll give is you
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you're putting tacos on it like 
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That just doesn't make sense for
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restaurant. 
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Mexican restaurant and then you 
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That doesn't make sense. 
So the first thing that you need

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to do is you need to identify 
what the guardrails are for your

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restaurant. 
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an identity. 
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one-size-fits-all for everybody.
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starting to fall into that 
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identify who they are, what 
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brand that they're trying to go 
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And so they end up putting 
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and it just becomes this messy 
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that really don't make sense. 
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what I mean, there was a period 
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cheese border charcuterie board,
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called it New American Kitchen. 
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You just want to throw 
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in Bon Appetit for the week. 
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New American and it's going to 
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And yes, that food is delicious,
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identity, and those restaurant 
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shortlived. 
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did to identify what is the 
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put all the stakeholders in the 
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we said what is the restaurant 
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It is this, it is, you know, we 
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felt identified the restaurant 
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category of these 10 things, it 
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But if it doesn't, then it 
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So again, we're going to use the
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example. 
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again the identifying words, 
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Sicily focused on seafood. 
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five. 
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have this great, also buco dish 
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well then that shouldn't go on 
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It's not seafood, it's not 
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So even though it is Italian, it
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of what that menu is. 
So you have to clearly identify 

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what the guardrails are for your
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And I'm not saying you can't 
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but you need to have some sort 
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customer coming in that they 
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it says Italian coastal Sicilian
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They say, I kind of get it, I I 
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walk into. 
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Italian coastal Sicilian 
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have ahi tuna tacos on it, 
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Some common sense needs to be 
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So first thing you have to do is
identify what the guardrails are

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for the restaurant. 
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conversation of what level are 
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Are you just going for the local
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you going for something 
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Are you pushing for just, you 
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want to feed the neighborhood? 
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the spectrum. 
If you're going for the three 

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star versus neighborhood, you 
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you'd expect that a three star 
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neighborhood restaurant and you 
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neighborhood restaurant on the 
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least not without adding a lot 
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It has to fit the concept so 
your customers again can come in

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and know what to expect. 
You have to approach this from a

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business mindset first, right? 
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guardrails are is establishing 
what the business mindset is for

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the restaurant. 
We're going to talk about 

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creativity here in a SEC, but 
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framework, The bones business 
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As we talked about, it's the 
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make sure there's money coming 
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Now every restaurant is going to
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Like I said, some restaurants 
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So like 4 starters, 4 main 
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Yeah, that's that's a smaller 
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Some people are going to go into
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Only some people might have a 
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it. 
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restaurant is going to approach 
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But when you're creating a menu,
a good way to look at it is the 

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amount of inventory and the 
amount of means and plus that 

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you need to create the menu. 
There's a lot of factors that 

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you have to consider. 
So you have to consider how much

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inventory do you need to execute
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How many cooks do you have on 
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that you're trying to put out? 
I'm going to get off the 

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subject, but at one point in my 
career I was the chef of a 

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restaurant where we were doing a
tasting menu and it was, it was 

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complex and we were punching 
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What I mean by that is we were 
we were looking at like what El 

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Bulli was doing is like we got 
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Yeah, this is when bubble food 
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were trying to do with like 5 
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It was it was not realistic to 
do that level of food with only 

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five people tasting menu only 
and all the other things that we

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had to deal with, right. 
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you know we spread ourselves too
thin And then what we were 

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trying to execute, we just 
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we didn't have enough people to 
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Where you see that where a lot 
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achieve the most that they can 
with whatever goal they have in 

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their specific market. 
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thin and they spread their team 
too thin and it ends up not 

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working out very well because 
there's only so many hours in a 

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day and there's only so much a 
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Now that doesn't mean that you 
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excellence. 
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meetings with people like we'd 
have menu meetings and I was 

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ambitious. 
So I'd say I want to do this, 

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this, this, this, this, and I'd 
get pushed back from some of my 

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sous chefs and be like, that's 
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this, that and the other. 
And I would get frustrated and I

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would say I don't need to be 
surrounded by a bunch of people 

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telling me what we can't do. 
I need to be surrounded by 

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people telling me what we can 
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If we want to be the best, we 
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saying we can't do it. 
We're not going to have any 

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success behind it. 
A lot of times, like I needed 

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some people to push back on me, 
but other times I needed to push

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them a little bit because 
sometimes, sometimes as the 

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chef, you have to know where 
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You have to know that you've 
pushed your team too far and 

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they're on the edge of breaking 
and and it's just not healthy or

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you haven't pushed far enough, 
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And you know, take a take a good
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Are people busy? 
Are they screwing off on their 

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phone half the day? 
Well, then you could probably 

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push harder, right? 
I mean, use some common sense 

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and some discretion when you're 
designing your menus. 

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Now when we're talking about 
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So again we we to discuss the 
guardrails that someone needs to

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have on the menu. 
So everything that goes on the 

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menu has to pass the test of 
does it fall on the brand and in

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in the guardrails of what we're 
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Once that's been taken care of, 
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8020 rule, what I was talking 
about earlier is like 80% of 

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your dishes should be familiar 
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the bulk of your sales. 
So 80% of the dishes on the menu

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should be easy for someone to 
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It shouldn't be so complex that 
they don't know what they're 

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looking at like. 
The expression goes chefs 

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cooking for other chefs or chefs
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If 80% or 100% of your menu is 
chefs cooking for chefs or chefs

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cooking to impress themselves 
and it's not in the right 

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neighborhood, most likely you're
going to fail. 

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The the reality is, is you are 
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that super intricate food in 
every type of setting, right? 

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There has to be a little bit of 
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what's going to go on your menu.
So like I said, 80% of the 

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people that are coming in, 
they're going to have simple 

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pallets. 
They're going to order the 

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things that are familiar to 
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or really good pasta or really 
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well for a reason. 
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your restaurant and say I need a
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I don't understand any of it, 
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Early on in my career, I 
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me and they wanted to put this 
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really wasn't jiving with. 
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know, I'm a pretty serious chef.
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that on the menu. 
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back and forth with my boss. 
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when I was a young chef, I just 
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not. 
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stupid. 
They should have fired me 

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occasionally I come across with 
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to do it, that's not my food. 
I was like, well, the food that 

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you're trying to do is not this 
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You're going to end up closing 
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you want to do your food. 
There has to be a good balance 

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on the menu. 
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20% that you have to play with. 
That's where I would start to 

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introduce things that are maybe 
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like or my team wants to 
experiment with. 

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So a lot of chefs that work with
me be like I want to experiment 

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with this particular ingredient.
I'll say great, we'll put on the

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menu, but it's going to be in 
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That's not going to be something
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like we'd put something obscure 
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at your menu abstracts and it's 
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and that one sold zero or that 
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Because the reality is like if 
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and no one else is liking it, it
doesn't matter. 

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You're you're not cooking for 
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at home. 
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the audience that's coming in. 
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level of experimentation because
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occasion. 
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thinking that it's for the chefs
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everyone's getting it. 
But that 30% should be where you

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experiment with new techniques 
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It should be learning, but that 
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right? 
So those are coming off. 

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Another portion of the menu is 
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restaurants that I would run, 
there was a portion that would 

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never change. 
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and let's just say it's, you 
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never come off the menu. 
We may adjust a little here or a

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little there, but the fact of 
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because those are our greatest 
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get that. 
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you go to a concert, like you 
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stuff, but they play like the 
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It's like, well, that's what 
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That's what everyone really 
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So you see it a lot in the music
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You can learn something from the
music industry as a chef, right?

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The greatest hits, The Rolling 
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Clan, Playing Cream, great 
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But the point is, you might want
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but they're going to play the 
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The same thing has to hold true 
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You want to make sure that the 
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adjust them a little bit. 
So again, you have that 30%, you

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have the classics, and then 
there's something that I like to

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call the sucker shit. 
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on your menu now is more 
important than ever as we move 

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into the age of social media and
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So what is sucker shit? 
Sucker shit is the kind of thing

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that influencers come in and 
they take their phone out 

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because it comes to the table. 
It's the Salt Bay action, it's 

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the gold plated tomahawk. 
It's the obscure thing that's 

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shaped into a cake. 
It's truffle oil on French fries

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like that. 
That is kind of like the crack 

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for influencers. 
Like, Oh my God, I had they have

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truffle fries. 
Like most people know. 

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Like, I personally hate truffle 
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putting truffle fries on the 
menu because I know it's going 

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to sell, right? 
So that that's that fastball 

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down the middle, but it's the 
it's the sucker shit. 

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So I'll, I'll tell you a funny 
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When I would be designing menus 
with my chefs every now and 

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again, we talk about like we 
need some sucker shit on the 

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menu stuff that the influencers 
are all going to pull out their 

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phone for dinner. 
And so right before the pandemic

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happened, I was working with my 
pastry chef and I said I want to

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come up with the most obscene 
ice cream sundae and I want to 

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make house made ice cream. 
And I want you to make your 

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homemade magic shell. 
And I want to use the most 

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expensive cherries and have on 
glaze and 10X vanilla bean ice 

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cream. 
And I said I just want you to 

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make it so over the top and 
garnish it with gold leaf and go

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to the table and pour it 
tableside and serve it on a 

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silver platter and make you know
a whole bunch of pomp and 

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circumstance around the dish. 
We're going to sell it for $50 

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Sunday for four, for $50.00, and
I want every single table that 

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comes in that's a party of four 
or more to get it so they can 

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all take their phones out and 
record it. 

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And I want to be on everyone's 
Instagram when we're doing this.

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And it was, it was that, I mean,
it was, you know, sucker shit, 

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but it was delicious too. 
Like, I'm not going to lie, 

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sometimes sucker shit is 
delicious. 

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And so we put it on the menu and
we put it on for like 60 bucks. 

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People would buy it all the time
and everyone wanted to take 

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pictures with it. 
And it worked, right? 

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The the tableside ports, the 
souffle coming that everyone's 

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going to take their phone out. 
Or the giradon being wheeled to 

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the table depending on what type
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they're slicing the meat or 
they're, you know, slicing the 

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rib eye at the table. 
It's the it's the chocolate 

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pinata that is kind of the stuff
that you know is going to bring 

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attention to your restaurant. 
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you want that to get them in and
then you show them the cool 

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stuff that you're working on, 
but that's the stuff that makes 

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your restaurant go viral on 
social media. 

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We had a dish that we did and it
was, I'm sure everyone's done 

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it, but this is what we were 
doing. 

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We were doing tater tots with 
aerated Greer cheese and black 

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truffles, and we would sell it 
for a certain price and we kept 

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raising the price, but no one 
ever complained. 

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No matter how much we raise the 
price, people would still buy it

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and my chef de cuisine at the 
time would come up to me, like, 

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I want to take this off the 
menu. 

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It's not as intricate, you know,
we want to, we want to push. 

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I said look, push on all this 
other stuff, but keep that on 

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the menu. 
I know it's not like the most 

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Swannier thing, but trust me, 
it's the one thing that everyone

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comes in and takes photos of it.
Every single table gets it and 

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it's a cash cow. 
Don't take it off the menu. 

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I think to this day they still 
have it on the menu, I think. 

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But it it's one of those things 
that you have to have a good mix

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of that sucker shit on the menu 
that everyone wants to come in 

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and take photos of and like I 
said then you get them with the 

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other stuff. 
This doesn't apply to all 

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restaurants, but it applies to a
lot where you do tasting menus, 

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you have the opportunity to have
supplements on there. 

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I think having that on 
especially from a incremental 

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revenue standpoint is a good 
thing. 

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So let's say you have a tasting 
menu and you see this with a lot

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of high end restaurants, they'll
have you know the supplemental 

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caviar, the supplemental 
truffle, the supplemental A5 wag

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you that's a good way to 
increase and add value to what 

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you're already doing. 
So for example, let's just use 

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that tater tots as an example 
that I had earlier. 

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I could say we have tater tots 
with aerated grier cheese on 

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top, but for X amount of dollars
more, we could supplement black 

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truffles or you could supplement
caviar, right. 

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That is adding value to what 
you're doing. 

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It's it's those Lux items, 
right. 

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So if you have a tasting menu, 
then you have this course or 

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that course orange for extra 
supplement, you could add in the

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lobster, or you can add in the 
A5, right? 

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So for $25 more, $50 more, 
whatever the case may be, you 

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add in those more expensive 
items. 

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And then once you've written 
your menu, you should hopefully 

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go through some sort of process 
to vet it. 

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Make sure you do tastings, make 
sure everything's correct, and 

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you should be reevaluating your 
menus quickly so you're 

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adjusting them as needed. 
You know what's selling, what's 

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not. 
A good practice is to run the 

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menu analysis at the end of 
every month and evaluate what's 

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selling, evaluate what's not and
adjust as needed, right? 

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The longer you delay, the more 
it's going to affect your bottom

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line. 
Now the last thing I'm going to 

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talk about when it comes to 
creating menus, when you want to

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introduce things but you're not 
sure how to introduce them. 

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This is something that I do. 
This is just this is just my pro

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tip is if I wanted to introduce 
an obscure ingredient, I might 

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introduce it. 
For example, everyone loves 

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beets, but not everyone loves 
foie gras. 

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So maybe I will create a beet 
dish with foie gras versus a 

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foie gras dish with beets. 
So if the first thing on your 

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menu that you see is beets, a 
lot of people are going to be 

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likely to order it. 
But if the first thing that you 

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see on your menu is foie gras, 
they may be less likely to order

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it. 
So when I needed to introduce 

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things like that, I would 
introduce them, You know, I'd 

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partner them up with someone 
that was really popular, right? 

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So if. 
You know, I I I would introduce 

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the obscure friend with a really
popular one. 

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So like I said beats with frog 
bra and I know that's not that 

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obscure, but sometimes in some 
parts of the country it's very 

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obscure. 
And I think that's a good way to

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look at that is to to introduce 
people to things that they might

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not be comfortable with by 
having something that they are 

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comfortable with on the plate 
already. 

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I I do believe that creativity 
is a collaborative process. 

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So when I'm designing menus, I 
usually get as many stakeholders

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in the room and we would write 
down ideas and we would just 

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throw shit at the wall and see 
what sticks. 

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So if I had five people, I'd 
tell everyone come with five 

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ideas and let's just go through 
them. 

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And sometimes you what you'd end
up with is a dish that's a 

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mishmash of several people's 
ideas. 

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So I might say let's do the beef
this way and someone else may 

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say with this sauce and and this
vegetable and then before you 

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know it maybe we have an 
amalgamation of a lot of 

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different ideas. 
So think about it like this, 

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this If you're changing your 
menu and you have a couple of 

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items that don't change, right? 
So you know your greatest hits, 

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and then you have, you know, the
sucker shit that might not 

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change. 
And so you're experimenting 

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with, you know, 30 or 40% of the
menu that's going to change for 

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the season or whatever. 
That might only be like six or 

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seven items. 
But if you have five people 

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coming up with 10 dishes apiece,
that's fifty ideas, 50 menu 

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ideas that you only need 5 or 6,
right? 

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And so then you're able to 
really push the creativity. 

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Now once we've determined what 
those items are, we'll go out 

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and we will cook them. 
And so the way that I would do 

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it is everyone would, would cook
the dishes, we'd sit there and 

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then we'd pick the dish apart. 
Because sometimes on paper 

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things sound delicious and then 
you try them and they just don't

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work. 
And it might be an idea that 

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just it's time hasn't come or 
you fully don't understand the 

446
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technique yet. 
Got to let the cake bake, as 

447
00:21:54,020 --> 00:21:56,420
they say. 
So when we get into the creative

448
00:21:56,420 --> 00:21:58,020
process, we're all trying the 
dish. 

449
00:21:58,020 --> 00:22:02,420
And the creative part is super 
fun because that's where you get

450
00:22:02,420 --> 00:22:04,620
to experiment. 
That's where it's okay to fail. 

451
00:22:05,020 --> 00:22:06,940
You know, the guardrails are a 
little bit looser on the 

452
00:22:06,940 --> 00:22:11,340
creative portion of the venue. 
And honestly, that's also 

453
00:22:11,340 --> 00:22:14,300
sometimes the place where you 
could get that attention that 

454
00:22:14,300 --> 00:22:18,100
you need for your restaurant. 
It's the local press, the write 

455
00:22:18,100 --> 00:22:19,860
up in the newspaper, whatever 
the case may be. 

456
00:22:20,100 --> 00:22:24,020
Sometimes that comes from that 
30% because the the people that 

457
00:22:24,020 --> 00:22:26,580
are writing about food usually 
write about what's on the 

458
00:22:26,580 --> 00:22:28,140
fringe. 
They don't ever write about, you

459
00:22:28,140 --> 00:22:29,460
know, the roasted chicken that 
much. 

460
00:22:29,460 --> 00:22:33,780
They they write about, you know,
the octopus bubbles. 

461
00:22:34,260 --> 00:22:38,820
Anyway, you get my point. 
So playing with that 30% on the 

462
00:22:38,820 --> 00:22:41,300
fringe sometimes is what's going
to get you the recognition that 

463
00:22:41,300 --> 00:22:43,660
you need. 
And then when my group of chefs 

464
00:22:43,660 --> 00:22:46,860
would get together and taste if 
if the dishes up there, we'd all

465
00:22:46,860 --> 00:22:51,990
really pick it apart. 
And for me, in that creative 

466
00:22:51,990 --> 00:22:55,550
process and that menu ideation 
phase, it's the time to be the 

467
00:22:55,550 --> 00:22:57,670
most critical. 
So we would taste it and we'd 

468
00:22:57,670 --> 00:23:00,110
say we'd look at it this way. 
That's how I would look at it. 

469
00:23:00,110 --> 00:23:02,190
Say we'd look for something 
balanced, what is the, what's 

470
00:23:02,190 --> 00:23:04,630
the salt level, what's the heat 
level, what's the acid level, 

471
00:23:04,630 --> 00:23:07,110
what's the fat level. 
And we'd want to make sure, you 

472
00:23:07,110 --> 00:23:09,910
know, kind of like an equalizer 
on a stereo, You adjust all the 

473
00:23:09,910 --> 00:23:13,830
knobs until until the dish just 
is delicious. 

474
00:23:14,510 --> 00:23:17,270
And so like, add a little bit 
more acid, add a little bit more

475
00:23:17,270 --> 00:23:20,850
fat, add a little bit more heat,
add a little bit more sugar, add

476
00:23:20,850 --> 00:23:24,090
a little bit of this, add this 
gas streak, finish it with olive

477
00:23:24,090 --> 00:23:26,290
oil, boom. 
Then you get it or you know, 

478
00:23:26,570 --> 00:23:29,530
brighten it up with freshness, 
maybe it needs more fresh herbs 

479
00:23:29,530 --> 00:23:31,970
or whatever the case may be. 
Then you add the texture. 

480
00:23:32,690 --> 00:23:37,410
And once we'd be really happy 
with how the plate tastes, then 

481
00:23:37,410 --> 00:23:40,730
we start with refining the 
presentation on it. 

482
00:23:40,730 --> 00:23:43,410
So the presentation was, was 
after the taste. 

483
00:23:43,410 --> 00:23:46,210
So do another podcast on taste 
versus presentation. 

484
00:23:46,210 --> 00:23:49,600
So presentation came after 
taste. 

485
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,800
Once it tastes good, then we can
work on the presentation to make

486
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,600
sure it looks good, right? 
And this was a good exercise for

487
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:58,440
us to really be critical and 
pick things apart to make sure 

488
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:00,280
that that final product was 
excellent. 

489
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:05,120
Now a lot of restaurants don't 
change their menu that 

490
00:24:05,120 --> 00:24:09,080
frequently. 
So, you know, pro tip when 

491
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,520
you're changing your menu, make 
sure that everything's costed 

492
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,600
weight measures. 
Make sure everyone has recipes 

493
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,040
before you start. 
Before you roll the menu out, 

494
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,060
make sure people have seen it. 
There's nothing worse than a 

495
00:24:19,060 --> 00:24:22,620
menu change when you walk into 
work and you have no idea 

496
00:24:22,620 --> 00:24:23,980
because you've never seen any of
the dishes. 

497
00:24:23,980 --> 00:24:27,460
So chefs, make sure you're 
communicating that that's the 

498
00:24:27,460 --> 00:24:28,380
worst. 
Don't do that. 

499
00:24:28,740 --> 00:24:31,020
But I'll tell you, sometimes you
do get in these creative ruts. 

500
00:24:31,100 --> 00:24:33,540
A lot of times people message me
and say, what would you do when 

501
00:24:33,540 --> 00:24:35,420
you're in a creative rut? 
Like sometimes it happens. 

502
00:24:36,500 --> 00:24:40,540
When I was younger, I was the 
chef of a place that did a 

503
00:24:40,540 --> 00:24:43,740
tasting menu only restaurant and
we had to change the menu every 

504
00:24:43,740 --> 00:24:47,010
day. 
My boss at that place happened 

505
00:24:47,010 --> 00:24:49,130
to be a big fan of, you know, 
Thomas Keller and The French 

506
00:24:49,130 --> 00:24:52,370
Laundry and Charlie Trotter and 
said they change their menu 

507
00:24:52,370 --> 00:24:53,930
every day. 
You need to change your menu 

508
00:24:53,930 --> 00:24:56,450
every day. 
And so he never allowed me to 

509
00:24:56,450 --> 00:24:59,650
repeat an ingredient twice, 
which is extremely difficult. 

510
00:25:00,210 --> 00:25:04,370
And it sounds good until like 
you're on day two or day three, 

511
00:25:04,370 --> 00:25:06,370
day five, day 20. 
It's like, shit. 

512
00:25:06,790 --> 00:25:09,150
You have to make 8 to 10 courses
that are different that you've 

513
00:25:09,150 --> 00:25:11,430
never done before. 
I would do better at it now 

514
00:25:11,430 --> 00:25:13,430
because now I think I'd probably
come up with a better system. 

515
00:25:13,430 --> 00:25:15,470
But back then I thought every 
single day I had to come up with

516
00:25:15,470 --> 00:25:16,790
something original. 
You didn't have to do that. 

517
00:25:16,790 --> 00:25:20,030
Like you could have said, you 
know, you make a grit and you 

518
00:25:20,030 --> 00:25:22,710
say, here are my sauces, here 
are my my sides, here are my 

519
00:25:22,710 --> 00:25:24,510
beefs. 
And then you, you kind of like a

520
00:25:24,510 --> 00:25:26,990
matrix and say, let's put this 
with this, with this today. 

521
00:25:27,270 --> 00:25:32,270
But anyway, those types of 
restaurants are much more create

522
00:25:32,390 --> 00:25:35,750
creative, and they probably 
don't play in that 7030 role, 

523
00:25:35,950 --> 00:25:37,750
especially when you're talking 
about restaurants on the World's

524
00:25:37,750 --> 00:25:40,150
50 Best. 
It's their job to play in the 

525
00:25:41,190 --> 00:25:46,550
creative in the abstract, right?
But let's be honest, not 

526
00:25:46,550 --> 00:25:49,270
everyone's in that world. 
Like, you know, a couple of 

527
00:25:49,270 --> 00:25:52,550
people will get on my social and
like, talk crap and be like, Oh 

528
00:25:52,990 --> 00:25:54,470
no creativity. 
I'm out. 

529
00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:56,470
And then you look at their page 
and it's like, dude, you're 

530
00:25:56,470 --> 00:25:59,440
serving like, filet with 
asparagus. 

531
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,840
What are you talking about 
creativity anyway? 

532
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,520
There's true creativity, right? 
And then there's like, I just 

533
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,560
want to cook my food. 
I don't want to be told what to 

534
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,840
do. 
So, like, everyone needs to calm

535
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:12,520
down and understand that there's
a difference there. 

536
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,120
And it's extremely difficult to 
work in these places that change

537
00:26:15,120 --> 00:26:17,800
the menu and shout out to 
restaurants that do that. 

538
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,760
Shout out to David Breeden from 
The French Laundry changes the 

539
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:24,000
menu every day. 
And one of the best restaurants 

540
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,800
in the world, those guys are 
ninjas. 

541
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:29,100
Like you look at what they do 
and you look at if you change 

542
00:26:29,100 --> 00:26:31,740
the menu every day in 10 years, 
how many dishes is that? 

543
00:26:31,740 --> 00:26:33,300
4005 thousand? 
I don't know. 

544
00:26:34,140 --> 00:26:36,140
It's a lot. 
Shout out to those guys that 

545
00:26:36,140 --> 00:26:38,620
have to live that life. 
It's not for everybody. 

546
00:26:38,620 --> 00:26:42,100
It's extremely difficult. 
It's extremely creative and 

547
00:26:42,460 --> 00:26:45,980
very, very elite chefs. 
Anyway, that's going to wrap it 

548
00:26:45,980 --> 00:26:49,790
up. 
So hopefully now you can leave 

549
00:26:49,790 --> 00:26:52,110
with a better game plan and make
sure you have a good mix of 

550
00:26:52,110 --> 00:26:54,510
items that are going to sell. 
Make sure you have some items 

551
00:26:54,510 --> 00:26:57,310
that are creative and that you 
can experiment with, but be 

552
00:26:57,310 --> 00:26:59,110
ready to take them off the menu 
rapidly. 

553
00:26:59,870 --> 00:27:02,030
Have a couple of things that are
going to get people in to take 

554
00:27:02,030 --> 00:27:06,870
photos and get them in the doors
and gain attention for your 

555
00:27:06,870 --> 00:27:09,510
restaurant. 
But most importantly, cook and 

556
00:27:09,510 --> 00:27:10,350
have fun. 
Anyway. 

557
00:27:10,350 --> 00:27:12,310
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