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Hello chefs, This is Chef's PSA 
Podcast. 

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I'm your host Andre Natara. 
On today's episode, we're going 

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to talk about kitchen rust, AKA 
ring rust. 

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Stay tuned. 
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Culinary leadership 
fundamentals. 

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That's for new sous chefs, new 
executive chefs. 

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It's going to go over the basics
of what it's like to run a 

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kitchen. 
Bad Sous Good Chef is the book 

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that I wrote. 
It's a it's a fictional 

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narrative conversation between a
sous chef and an executive chef,

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going back and forth on all his 
fears and anxieties and a lot of

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the questions that we all have 
when we're new in leadership 

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positions. 
Kitchen Art of War This is, it's

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a translation of Sun Zoo's Art 
of War and how it applies to the

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culinary world. 
It's a direct translation. 

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So if you like that style of 
Eastern philosophy writing, then

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I think you'd like Kitchen Art 
of War. 

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But if you don't like reading 
that style, it's probably not 

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the book for you. 
It is I I like to say it's 

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advanced reading and it's 
advanced thinking. 

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Line Cook Survival Manual for 
line cooks. 

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Every cook in your kitchen 
should have what it should be 

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like hanging on the clipboard. 
It should be the culinary manual

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when the manual doesn't exist. 
And then companion to that is 

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how not to be the biggest city 
in the kitchen. 

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They're all short breeds. 
And then I have some free 

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ebooks, Food Cost mastery, 100 
basic recipes, critical path to 

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opening up a restaurant, and a 
free culinary dictionary. 

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Hey, sometimes you're new to the
industry and you don't know 

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these words and you're too 
afraid to ask. 

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So all these books are designed 
to give you a shortcut to help 

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you become more successful 
faster. 

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That's what you could do to 
support today's episode Ring 

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rust or a KA Kitchen Rust, 
depending on I guess I could 

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have said that. 
Either way. 

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Anyway, it doesn't matter for 
those of you that may or may not

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know if you've been paying 
attention, I've recently come 

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out of my retirement for a brief
period. 

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I'm doing what's called a Chef 
in Residence through mid 

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November. 
This is 2023 when you're 

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listening and I'm doing it at 
Tilly's Restaurant at Camp Lucy 

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in Dripping Springs, TX. 
For those of you that may not 

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know, I am retired as a chef. 
I was a chef for 27 years. 

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I decided to step away and focus
full time on mentoring, 

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coaching, and the chef's PS:. 
A creating the memes, writing 

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the books, doing the podcast. 
This is my full time job, but as

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you know, if you listen to the 
show, I have a lot of opinions. 

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I talk a lot of crap. 
Someone messaged me the other 

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day and said can you still back 
it up? 

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Got in my head a little bit, I'm
not going to lie because I was 

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thinking, can I still back it 
up? 

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I'm giving, I'm giving a lot of 
advice. 

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I have a lot of opinions on what
the right thing to do is. 

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I'm looking at every situation 
and saying this is all you got 

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to do to turn it around. 
Work hard, discipline, focus, 

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all the things that I talked 
about daily on chefs, PSA. 

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But can I still walk the talk? 
It was something that I talked 

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about in an earlier episode 
where if I had to go back in the

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kitchen, how difficult would it 
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I had said it wouldn't be that 
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I would do some research. 
I would look at the latest 

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trends, plating trends, 
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I would update my style a little
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in and I didn't think it would 
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I still know how to cook pots, 
pans, etcetera, still know how 

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to use a knife. 
I didn't think it would be that 

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difficult and here we are. 
So a friend of mine reached out 

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to me. 
She runs dish and Dame, so you 

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should go follow that Instagram 
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And she was looking for an 
executive chef and asked me if I

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would be interested in 
potentially doing a chef and 

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residence program there through 
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So two months go in, write the 
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the team, get to cook with them.
And around the same time, I'm 

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also contemplating if I still 
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So it's like the timing was 
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the time. 
And I thought this is a great 

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opportunity for me to get back 
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So I had a few days to get in, 
work with the team, write the 

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recipes, write the menu, train 
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menu. 
And I could tell you that I feel

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pretty good about the menu. 
Now granted, I'm going to write 

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a menu based on the team that I 
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environment, the type of 
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So a lot of the food that I'm 
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think fits that area. 
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or it's not an Asian restaurant.
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tailored to those specific types
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It's not a tasting menu, only 
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Otherwise, I would write a menu 
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This is an upscale modern 
American restaurant in the 

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country, In the Hill Country. 
Therefore, I wrote a menu 

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similar to that. 
So when writing the menu I had 

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to sit down and I'll tell you 
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It was really fun because I 
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some time outside of consulting,
but usually it's for those 

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things. 
But this is a menu of my 

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personality on a plate. 
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creativity. 
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menus, what I did is I put on my
headphones, started sipping my 

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green tea, started chewing my 
nicotine gum, listening to 40HZ 

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brain waves on the headphones, 
and just got into a creative 

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zone and started writing. 
A lot of the menu that I wrote 

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is the greatest hits of my 
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So go back 27 years when I was a
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meant something to me. 
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put on. 
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has a story behind it as to why 
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it's important to me that it 
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I've modified the plating a 
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I've updated it to 2023 
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There's a lot of different 
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everything from using alginates,
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But yes, there are some 
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I I lied. 
There's actually a cheese foam 

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on some gnocchi, so I did use 
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citrate and hexametaphosphate. 
There's a lot of precision 

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cooking, so a lot of the 
vegetables that we're doing are 

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cooked under vacuum, and there's
also classic techniques involved

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as well, making stock sauces. 
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had as a chef coming up was in 
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So you're going to see a lot of 
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But I get into the kitchen day 
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written, and then it's trained 
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Now keep in mind five days to 
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imagine relaunching a 
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restaurant in five days. 
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None of them have ever worked 
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And they're great by the way. 
Fantastic cooks and chefs, and 

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if you're in the area and you 
want to come check it out and 

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eat, you should do so. 
But we get in, we discuss the 

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menu and we start rolling it out
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I love the idea of rapid 
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This is something that Steve 
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That's why they constantly 
release Apple updates is there's

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update 1, update 1.1, update 
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forth. 
And that's how I operate in a 

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kitchen. 
It's get better every single 

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day. 
Constantly push, evolve. 

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At the end of the night we meet,
we discuss what went wrong, what

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we could do better, and we 
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We don't have a bad service. 
We have a service that we can 

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learn from. 
And it's a lot of this stuff 

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that I'm that I'm teaching the 
culinary team there while I'm 

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working with them. 
I like Sam, getting them Chefs 

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PSA certified, you know, cut the
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A lot of that they were already 
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But all the things that I see 
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I'm trying to teach them as 
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They're very receptive to it and
things are moving along really 

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quick. 
So I I don't think that from a 

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culinary standpoint, I'm very 
far off in the ring rust. 

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Granted, in five days I feel 
like I'm right back in the game,

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but that's not where I was 
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Where I was rusty was 
physically, and I felt that 

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right away. 
I've made chefs PS:. 

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A post that the last thing to go
for a chef is their palate, but 

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the first thing to go is their 
back or their knees or their 

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feet. 
And all the years of being a 

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chef, I could tell you that I 
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and feet. 
People that know me in real life

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say I walk funny because I've. 
I have some back problems. 

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My back constantly pops, my 
knees pop, my ankles pop 

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everything. 
Everything's a little bit 

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rickety there. 
And so doing what I do with 

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chefs, PSA, a lot of it is 
working in front of a computer 

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and even though I exercise every
day, I'm not standing on my feet

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for 11:50 hours a day. 
And so that was really the first

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thing that I felt when it came 
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Day one, I came home, took a 
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My back was hurting, my feet 
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hurting. 
I put some sports cream on the 

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bottom of my feet to alleviates 
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Day two was more of the same, 
still a little bit sore, but by 

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day three I could tell you I 
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I was hustling in the kitchen, I
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I was a young chef all over 
again, right? 

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12 hours a day in the kitchen in
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I I I'm not going to lie, I had 
a lot of fun working with this 

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team and creating and cooking 
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Some of the cooks would joke 
around with me and say you still

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got it, chef. 
Ignore the haters, but I could 

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tell you I definitely felt it 
when it came to the first couple

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of days off was, you know, I 
slept a lot later, was a little 

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bit achy, but not as much. 
I was definitely energized. 

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You know, in my day-to-day I the
hustle was there, a lot more 

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doing with the Chef's PSA stuff 
because now I had to do 

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everything that I do for Chef's 
PSA in a much shorter period of 

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time. 
I have to do that in my off 

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hours when I'm not working in 
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So for those of you that have 
been trying to get a hold of me,

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I'm a little slow to respond 
because I'm working in the 

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kitchen right now. 
But as far as rust goes, I think

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week one was a success. 
I felt like I was right back in 

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it, and I had touched a little 
bit on this on the most recent 

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podcast right before this one. 
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you're enjoying what you do, the
long days don't seem long and 

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when you enjoy being around the 
people that you're with, you 

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don't really feel as burned out.
For me, the commute to and from 

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the restaurants, about an hour. 
So during that hour, I'm making 

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phone calls, I'm talking to 
people. 

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I have my phone out. 
I'm not driving and texting, but

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I am making notes. 
I'm talking to my phone, leaving

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notes, things that I could 
discuss when I get there. 

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Like I said, everything that I 
do while I'm there is 1% better 

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every day. 
I know the the idea of that is 

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gradual improvements every 
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And that's kind of what I'm 
preaching when I get there is 

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like, how do we constantly tweak
the menu, make the food a little

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bit better, make the kitchen a 
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And one of the things I talk 
about as a leader, when people 

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work under me as a leader, I try
not to overwhelm them with so 

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much early on. 
And by the way, this first week 

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was overwhelming for everybody 
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style. 
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more than they need to be 
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overwhelm A-Team, it doesn't 
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And so a lot of people say we 
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day and that's okay. 
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it's right. 
I don't want to hit them over 

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the head with 20 new standards 
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Let's just go with one. 
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everyone does this correctly. 
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correctly, great, then we're 
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And the next day, something new.
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that correctly. 
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slide a little bit, then let's 
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Because if it doesn't stick, 
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that they stick, and that's why 
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slowly. 
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next one, because you do have 
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and you constantly have to 
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that the kitchen's getting back 
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I would say my chef brain turned
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Like I said, some of some the 
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little rusty, like 2 left feet, 
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like I had never left. 
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It helped me feel good in case I
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probably probably not at least 
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You know, I I do enjoy what I'm 
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A lot of the great restaurants 
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or war cry that they that they 
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You know, I could think of like 
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the French laundries. 
It's all about finesse. 

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Where I used to work, we'd say 
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So I wanted to make sure I had 
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Where I was at, we brainstormed 
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We ended up with something 
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to be measured on quality 
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Simple, Technical, beautiful, 
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something, we'll always go back 
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Overall, is it quality? 
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served, or it doesn't get put on
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discussed. 
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which everything is going to be 
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But I think it's important that 
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I made a beautiful sign and put 
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Really nice. 
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And I I told them that if the 
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sign. 
The sign has to stay Immaculate.

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It can't come down. 
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Service is getting better. 
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can ratchet it up a little bit, 
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difficult, introduce a little 
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recipes a little bit and get 
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day. 
So what's the point of all this?

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The point of all of this is a 
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over restaurants, you're going 
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you've been out of the game for 
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back in. 
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You might be rusty for a few 
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all the skills come back pretty 
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But you should have a strategic 
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When you go in, make sure you're
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the team could execute and that 
you're constantly looking at the

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dishes and discussing with the 
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It's important to get buy in 
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What I find interesting is that 
my time as a chef and my time 

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here now, like I've I've changed
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I would say I'm not as intense 
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You know, when I was a younger 
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intense. 
I think with time and wisdom I'm

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able to navigate the storm a 
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more calm. 
Bad situations are going to get 

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thrown at you, and I'm able to 
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water, like Bruce Lee said. 
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recognize that being calm and 
focused and not losing your cool

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in the kitchen is so much better
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Anyway, we digress. 
I don't even know what I was 

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talking about. 
Build your team up. 

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Create the standard. 
Don't implement too much and get

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a little bit better and better 
every day in every single way 

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possible. 
Stay calm, wipe your cutting 

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board, look up, see what's going
on, and go forward anyway. 

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If you want to support the show,
you know what to do. 

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As we talked about, make sure 
you leave five stars. 

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Nothing less than five stars. 
Go to chefspsa.com. 

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You can get all the books there.
Merch. 

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It's going to be hoodie weather.
Have a lot of hoodies for sale 

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at the Chef's PSA store. 
Thank you all very much. 

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See you next week. 
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