1 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:05,000 What's up guys? My name is Alexis, your host of 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:07,840 Praises in the Pod, and I'm stoked to have the Carlsons 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:09,560 here. This is Jess and Brandon. 4 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:12,080 We are going to be talking a little bit about both of their 5 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:15,680 testimonies and then their testimony together, but we are 6 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:17,520 going to start out with prayer and then we're going to jump 7 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:18,360 right in. So here we go. 8 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:23,560 Lord Heavenly Father, thank you for today. 9 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:25,040 Thank you for all your many blessings. 10 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:28,040 Dear God, thank you for this couple coming on and just 11 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:30,160 wanting to tell what you have done in their life. 12 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:33,160 Lord, we pray that you speak to us and through us and let this 13 00:00:33,160 --> 00:00:36,200 episode glorify you. In Jesus name I pray, Amen. 14 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:39,040 Amen guys. So let's jump right in. 15 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:40,800 So Jess, let's start out with you girl. 16 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:44,160 Tell us a little bit about your childhood and your upbringing. 17 00:00:44,160 --> 00:00:49,080 A little bit maybe. So I grew up here in town and I 18 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:51,200 didn't really go up going to church or anything. 19 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:53,680 I went to like vacation Bible school over the summer 20 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:56,040 sometimes. But I definitely did not grow up 21 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:58,720 in like a religious family. I definitely grew up with 22 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:02,160 parents who set a good example for like a strong marriage. 23 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:05,480 But we definitely, I didn't know God was a kid. 24 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:07,440 I really didn't. Brandon, what about you? 25 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:10,800 So I was raised in town, well, I guess middle Georgia. 26 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:13,680 My dad was a Marine. I was born in North Carolina. 27 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:17,400 We moved here after a year there from here and pretty much raised 28 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:19,000 here in middle Georgia the rest of my life. 29 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:23,000 My mom was a professed Christian. 30 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:27,600 My dad, not quite sure, still don't really know to be honest 31 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,080 with you. But we grew up going to church 32 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:36,560 and I was saved, I guess my first time, I guess, if you call 33 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:38,880 it that. Yeah, at 10, but I don't really 34 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,440 count it because. There was no life change or 35 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:43,560 fruit that came from that I. Mean, I was 10. 36 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,080 Yeah. The pastor was like, you're 37 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:48,400 savior, you go to hell. So I was like, I won't be saved 38 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:50,760 then. Yeah, I remember too, when I was 39 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:53,000 younger like that and I was like, I want to be saved, I want 40 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,120 to be saved, but I had no idea even what that meant. 41 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:58,960 So even though I knew when I was growing up like who Jesus was, I 42 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:01,400 didn't have that relationship. So yeah. 43 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:03,800 And that's how it was for me, kind of like her and my parents 44 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:07,920 were married for, you know, my entire childhood, 23 or 24 45 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:09,720 years. So both of y'all kind of hit on 46 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,920 that your parents were together in a strong foundation for both 47 00:02:12,920 --> 00:02:16,000 of you because they like you know, we're together during 48 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,040 that, but they just weren't Christ like Christ centered 49 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:20,000 basically. Is that correct? 50 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:21,160 My. Parents have been married for I 51 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:26,400 think it's since 1987. So I think it's wow. 90. 7 or 38 52 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,440 years. And so I know that they've 53 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:35,040 always been, yeah, like, I knew that I knew who God was, but I 54 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:38,320 never had a relationship and it just wasn't really talked about. 55 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:43,720 So definitely not super religious by any means, but I 56 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,800 mean, they have they have been with each other and leaned on 57 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:51,800 each other through everything. So I did learn a lot about about 58 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:55,200 life from them at the same time. And my mom stayed at home with 59 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:58,640 us later in elementary school. So when we were little, she was 60 00:02:58,640 --> 00:03:01,040 home with us. She was like PTO mom, gymnastics 61 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,560 mom, Girl Scout, troop leader, everything. 62 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:08,480 And then my dad worked overtime and did manual labor to make 63 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:10,880 ends meet. And so they definitely. 64 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:13,440 What a blessing. I had a really good childhood 65 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,680 Despite that, which makes me wonder now when I see my kids, 66 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,800 like, oh man, if I had known that there was a God who was 67 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,520 more powerful than any of this. Like, I can't imagine, you know? 68 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,440 You know, so me and Jess go way back. 69 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:32,320 OK, so I started in the hair world when I was like 1819 and 70 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:33,640 you started when you were like 14. 71 00:03:33,640 --> 00:03:35,800 I know you were doing hair in like high. 72 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:37,720 School, right? He was like a shampoo girl. 73 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:39,400 Yeah, Salon. My aunt worked out when I was 74 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:42,520 like 15. So, so you just knew like that 75 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:45,040 was your passion in life, you wanted to follow that. 76 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,880 And that's great to know like, especially at such a young age 77 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:50,080 because you have just flourished since then. 78 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,360 But I started working at a salon that just worked out and this 79 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:57,200 was not a good years for me. Like I was off the chain. 80 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:00,200 I was at the bars just every night coming to work hungover. 81 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:02,000 Just as like, girl, do you not feel good? 82 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:06,000 No, like, please no. And she's just so like, 83 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:09,800 nurturing and like motherly, like, like even when we were 84 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,760 younger, so it was like she was. Like that in high school, Yeah. 85 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:15,200 So like, what was your life like back then? 86 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,600 Because I remember, you know, you didn't have a relationship 87 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:19,240 with God back then either. So. 88 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:20,800 It's so different. It's so crazy. 89 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,760 I remember like at that point in my life, there was a girl that 90 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:26,840 we worked with that was really close to God and she would say 91 00:04:26,840 --> 00:04:28,880 things sometimes. And I remember I would always 92 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:35,000 feel offended because I was very open minded, but not in the way 93 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:38,680 that I am now. And I just thought I had a 94 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,720 totally different idea about religion and spirituality. 95 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:46,520 And I just, I had not the right idea, you know? 96 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:54,000 And so I think that I definitely was headed down a bad path even 97 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:58,240 though I had morals about me. I mean, I definitely didn't have 98 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:03,960 God in my life, and for so long I had really relied heavily on 99 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:08,920 what other people thought of me and just getting by and fitting 100 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:13,800 in and just so much anxiety that I didn't need to have about just 101 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:17,080 trying to find my place and my purpose and just fill a void 102 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:18,560 that was never going to be filled. 103 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,120 So. That's kind of where I was at 104 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:22,640 then. So, Brandon, tell me a little 105 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,480 bit about your early 20s. I guess kind of let me back up. 106 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,320 My parents are great people. My mom was fantastic, very 107 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:32,000 similar to her. My my dad worked a lot, but and 108 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:35,240 my mom was on and off work and she sometimes she would didn't 109 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:36,400 have a job and she'd home school. 110 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,240 So stuff like that. And while we went to church 111 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:41,640 every day, we were, I would say we were like the typical 112 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:45,200 American church family. Oh, it's enough to go to church. 113 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:46,360 Yeah. And that's about it. 114 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,040 And we would do like Bible school, stuff like that. 115 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,160 And you know, when we were, when I was in middle school, I went 116 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:55,360 to a Christian School and then when we would do Bible classes, 117 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,920 stuff like that, home schooling. But other than that, I mean, I, 118 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:05,480 I grew up in it and I've always been a Christian, but up until 119 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:09,800 probably when I was 15, so through high school, was when it 120 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:13,080 started becoming more real for me and then something that I, I 121 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:15,520 desired more. Did you have something that 122 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:17,840 happened around 15? Like what was that defining 123 00:06:17,840 --> 00:06:20,240 moment for you at 15? It wasn't really a defining 124 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,360 moment for me. It was, you know, I had a 125 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:25,720 girlfriend at the time in high school and her family were 126 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,880 strong Christians. And so just being around that 127 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,720 more and, and going to church more because I wanted to, not 128 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:35,240 because the family was going and trying different churches and 129 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:37,880 all that kind of stuff. It it was and getting more into 130 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,560 reading the Bible and, and praying more and stuff like 131 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:41,880 that. It was like, alright, God, you 132 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,400 know, when I was 10, that was not real, that that was just 133 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,000 because, you know, I didn't want to go to hell. 134 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,640 I think we, I dated her. What about six years all through 135 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:52,480 and. And I'm gonna be respectful and. 136 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:54,480 And you know, and the people that have known me back then 137 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,120 know who I'm talking about, but I'm not gonna use names. 138 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:59,720 Yeah. Jess actually did her hair so 139 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:00,880 she. Yeah. 140 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,080 So it's. A whole like it's so crazy. 141 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:05,640 Invisible string theory. Oh yes, for sure, we'll have. 142 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:08,760 To get into. That in high school, I was kind 143 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:10,840 of that good kid. I never did anything. 144 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:12,040 Yeah. I never went to parties. 145 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,480 I never. I didn't drink till I was 21, 146 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,360 you know, I saved myself for the most part. 147 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:21,040 So it was like, you know, it was I, I don't really have a story 148 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:24,400 in high school, but wanted to be a cop my entire life. 149 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:28,040 So I went started working at a prison at 18 down in Dooley 150 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,440 County. And I was a prison guard there 151 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:34,240 just because I couldn't be a cop until 21 and me and this girl 152 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:37,480 got married. That was probably the the first 153 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:41,400 like heart break or like, oh, crap, that's hurt because we got 154 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:44,480 married and then six months later we got divorced, found out 155 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,440 she was having an affair and she had loved somebody else for four 156 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:49,080 years, over the six years we were together. 157 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:53,880 And so, yeah, so she left one of the divorce and went on. 158 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:58,160 And that was a moment in my life where I started. 159 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:01,560 I was like, OK, my way of getting through that was God was 160 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:05,600 reading the Bible was getting closer to him and. 161 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,640 Truly seeking him. Absolutely, absolutely. 162 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:11,640 Because at the same time, I started trying to find ways to 163 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,840 calm myself down, ease, ease things for me. 164 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:20,280 Yeah, now is that is your ex-wife your daughter's mother? 165 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:24,640 Brandon's lived a lot of lives. OK, Sir, Hang on, hang on. 166 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:26,280 Wait, wait, wait. Hang on. 167 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:28,400 I think I do. You've been married a few times, 168 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:29,480 right? Twice. 169 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:31,200 Twice. And then Jess is 3. 170 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:31,640 Lucky. Number. 171 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:33,159 Three. OK, we're going to cut. 172 00:08:33,159 --> 00:08:36,559 We, we can cut that, you know, but that was I, I forgot. 173 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:39,159 OK, never. Mind no, keep that in because 174 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:39,799 that's. Cool. 175 00:08:40,159 --> 00:08:43,120 OK. We just try not to talk about it 176 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:46,640 because one, that part of my life was like a different life. 177 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:49,840 Yeah. And so, you know, unless my kids 178 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:51,920 like, specifically ask about it, it's not going to come up. 179 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:53,480 In Yeah. Like, our daughter was like, 180 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:55,920 just truth and error. I'm like, truth. 181 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,120 She's like, have you ever kissed a boy besides Dad? 182 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:02,560 And I was like, oh, I have. I have to admit I have. 183 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,080 That's so crazy because, yeah. So after high school, when I'm 184 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:10,280 doing hair, I was this person's hair stylist. 185 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:11,680 And you know how it is. With your hair. 186 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:13,000 Stylist, you tell them everything. 187 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,760 And I remember just being a support system for her during 188 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:20,080 that time, but also being like, man, I feel for this guy, you 189 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,240 know, and I didn't really know him that well, but I felt for 190 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,280 him. And then there was a period in 191 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:27,760 time that he, I don't know whether he reached out to me or 192 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:33,240 Oliver's dad, but he would call me and talk to me and Tyler 193 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:36,880 about this situation and we would try to help him through 194 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:38,800 this. And it was very platonic, just 195 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:42,520 very like, you know, I admired the way that he spoke about this 196 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:45,240 person, like he's going through this heartbreak. 197 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:48,960 And, you know, most people would be like, she did this or she did 198 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:50,360 that. But the way he would speak about 199 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:54,440 her was I forgive her. And I just hope that this is the 200 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:58,920 best choice for her. And I hope that she is OK, you 201 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:01,800 know, because this is going to be a really hard Rd. for her 202 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:03,880 because she was making a lot of different choices. 203 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:08,480 And I just remember thinking like, wow, like I that's amazing 204 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:11,560 that he loves her in such an unconditional and selfless way. 205 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:15,720 And it definitely wasn't like, I was like, oh, but I was just 206 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:19,040 like, what a good person. And I remember Tyler even saying 207 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:21,320 to him, man, like, someday you're going to find somebody 208 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:23,040 who would never do that to you. You. 209 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:25,920 And I mean, before shouting, who would have ever thought that? 210 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:28,640 I and that's coming a lot from Tyler because me and Tyler. 211 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:31,240 They would kind of get in. Yeah, we would get in Facebook 212 00:10:32,560 --> 00:10:34,720 politics. He was religious and then like 213 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:38,280 politics and stuff. And so they would kind of go go 214 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:40,120 back and forth, but it wasn't really anything crazy. 215 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:41,880 But I remember that we would be there. 216 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:46,400 If that person or any of these people that we talk about and we 217 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:49,560 don't name them, yeah, like that person, I just want them to know 218 00:10:49,560 --> 00:10:52,360 that I forgive them. Yeah, that's over with. 219 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:57,800 I have no ill feelings towards them and so I just, I don't want 220 00:10:57,880 --> 00:10:59,360 anybody to get the wrong impression, yeah. 221 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:02,320 But yeah, like they're part of your story, but they have theirs 222 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:02,840 too. And. 223 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,560 It's more heard they don't like to talk about these things. 224 00:11:05,560 --> 00:11:08,600 But me, I'm just like, I mean, this is this is my story. 225 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:12,200 Yeah, this is who I am. I am who I am today because of 226 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:14,960 what I've gone through. So I guess early 20s, we've 227 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:18,440 already brought in Oliver's dad into the scene and so y'all were 228 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:20,080 together for a very long time too. 229 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:26,120 Yeah, so I met my son's dad when I was 16 and he was like 20 and 230 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:29,080 like, I started dating him a little bit before I turned 18. 231 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:32,760 So he was a big part of my life for a long time. 232 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:37,720 And right before I met him, especially in my high school 233 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:41,520 years, was when I was really just kind of headed down a path 234 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:45,880 of destruction. And so really just again, 235 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:49,800 searching for acceptance, searching to fit in such a 236 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,880 chameleon of like who I was around, Which is so funny 237 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,040 because people like Brandon who went to high school with me were 238 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,000 like, oh, you were so confident in high school. 239 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,920 I'm like, that is so interesting that that is what I gave off 240 00:11:59,920 --> 00:12:03,560 because really I was so desperately insecure that I just 241 00:12:03,560 --> 00:12:06,240 wanted to be. I accepted I was the person that 242 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:09,120 had so many friends, but it's because I couldn't stand the 243 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:10,640 thought of anyone not. Liking me? 244 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:14,400 And so I was a people pleaser at my own cost. 245 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:18,600 And so I mean, I really just didn't have a backbone to say no 246 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:21,760 to things that were bad for me. And so that's one thing that I 247 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:25,680 am super thankful for Olivers dad for is like, I started 248 00:12:25,680 --> 00:12:28,440 dating him at a young age and Oh my gosh, I remember my friends 249 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:32,080 and like my family were like, no, like, what are you doing 250 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:35,240 dating this high school or this college guy when you're in high 251 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:37,280 school? And so while there was some 252 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:40,760 negativity that definitely came along with it at the same time, 253 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:42,840 when I look at where I was before I started that 254 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:46,160 relationship, there was so much that it saved me from at the 255 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:49,480 same time. And so I started dating him when 256 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:54,240 I was like 17. We outdated until we got engaged 257 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,920 when I was 21. We never broke up. 258 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:00,720 I mean, none of that. And we moved in together when I 259 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:04,120 was 19 and then we got married when I was 22. 260 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:09,040 And so in retrospect, knowing what I know now, our 261 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:15,360 relationship was not a healthy relationship, but at the time, I 262 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:19,080 had never been loved for who I was. 263 00:13:19,560 --> 00:13:22,880 And so he was a support system for me for sure. 264 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:25,920 And yeah, then we we got married. 265 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:30,200 And I think reality hit us in the face that neither one of us 266 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,320 really knew what marriage was supposed to be and what it 267 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:35,040 meant. I mean, we did not have God as a 268 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:36,640 foundation of our marriage at all. 269 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:39,480 That was something that he and I never even talked about. 270 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:44,880 And I think that we were both just doing the next step. 271 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:48,080 Like we've been together at that point for five years and it was 272 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:49,960 like, OK, now we've lived together. 273 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,400 Now we both have our big boing, big girl job. 274 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:55,680 Like so now we get married. Then I'm coming from the 275 00:13:55,680 --> 00:13:59,840 perspective of seeing my parents who have been married for so 276 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:03,080 long and go through hard things and they just stuck together 277 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:06,360 through it all. And same thing with his parents. 278 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:09,840 He grew up with parents who had a really good marriage and a 279 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:12,920 really healthy marriage. And so we went through a lot of 280 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:16,080 hard things, but in my mind, there was no giving up. 281 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:19,080 And it's so crazy because I still remember because I 282 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:23,440 listened to Abby's podcast, which was awesome and just was 283 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:26,560 made me cry. And I remember when you told me 284 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:29,000 about what happened with Abby and what she had gone through 285 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:32,360 and thinking like, wow, like that is so crazy. 286 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:35,440 I can't imagine. I remember this conversation, so 287 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:36,400 I. Remember it like it. 288 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:39,600 Was yesterday, so. Crazy that you came to see. 289 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:40,720 Me. And then you had told me. 290 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:42,920 And then I was like, yeah. Remember what I said? 291 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:46,240 I can, I couldn't imagine. Like I think I would die if that 292 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:48,160 literally happened. To me, happened to me, I would 293 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:51,240 just die, yes. And so I mean and it was not 294 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:54,400 much long after that. I think probably like within the 295 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:56,520 month or two maybe, yeah. Yeah. 296 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:00,000 And so I did call Tyler when I told him I was doing this 297 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:04,920 podcast because a big part of my story and what is a huge part of 298 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:09,040 my testimony is that is some of the darkest times in his life. 299 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:11,400 So I wanted to be respectful of like, is it OK if I talk about 300 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:13,040 this? And he was like, you just got to 301 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:15,080 be honest. Like, you know, it is what it 302 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:16,400 is. It's part of our life. 303 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:19,880 And it's so far behind us now that, you know, very mature. 304 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:21,120 He's like, I don't want it to be a thing. 305 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:23,960 But at the same time, it's your story and it's and it impacted 306 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:26,160 you. And so one thing that he pointed 307 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:30,120 out, though, was, yes, there was an affair and there was 308 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:32,200 infidelity. And that's what ultimately led 309 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:36,400 to our divorce. But what he said was the hurt 310 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:39,160 that you were going through started happening long before 311 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:41,400 that. And so that's what I realize now 312 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:46,440 is that the relationship was not healthy because he was going 313 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:53,200 through his own mental crisis and just just a lot of changes 314 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:56,760 in his life and was not ready for marriage, was not ready to 315 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:58,800 be a dad. And he can admit that now. 316 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:02,880 So many things came at him so quickly and that manifested 317 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:06,400 itself and him not being able to be there for me. 318 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:12,920 And so he started to lean on some bad habits, drinking, just 319 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:16,320 playing video games all the time to the point where he couldn't 320 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:20,520 motivate himself to do the things that he needed to do in 321 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:23,760 his life. And so it led to us fighting all 322 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,360 the time. It led to some just really 323 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:30,920 negative talk from him to me, that really changed the way that 324 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:34,800 I saw myself. And that was really difficult 325 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:40,400 because this person who at one time lifted me up and made me 326 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:45,680 feel like nothing I've done in the past mattered, was the 327 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:49,000 person who was hurting me and making me feel negative about 328 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:52,800 myself. And I've definitely forgive him 329 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:56,480 for that, but it was hard, you know? 330 00:16:56,480 --> 00:17:01,040 And so at the end of the day, we were going through so much. 331 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:05,280 And I remember like towards the end of our relationship, like, I 332 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:08,000 would want to go to church or I'd want to go to therapy. 333 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,440 And I don't, I wasn't even necessarily wanting to go to 334 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:11,400 church. I don't know. 335 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:15,760 I just wanted to do something that would save it and I knew it 336 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:20,440 was bad when I started to just kinda pretend like everything 337 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,200 was fine. Always speak highly about him, 338 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:25,319 even if we were going through something terrible. 339 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:29,600 Which is very common. Yeah, a lot of people do that 340 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:34,120 and they don't wanna, especially in Mary married couples. 341 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:37,120 They don't want to tell people like, oh, he's this way or she's 342 00:17:37,120 --> 00:17:38,800 this way. It's like, oh, everything's 343 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:39,600 perfect. Yeah. 344 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:42,520 And I think what was hard for me is that I knew that he wasn't a 345 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:46,560 bad person, but there was no way that I could save him from 346 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,000 whatever mental terminal he was going through. 347 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:54,560 And so finally, it led to an affair on his part. 348 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:59,840 And that was very heartbreaking. But it's like what Abby said 349 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:04,280 when she said she never imagined that she would ever be in that 350 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:07,120 position and do that. Oh, I know he didn't either. 351 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:08,400 Yeah. And I didn't either. 352 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:09,840 Yeah. I never thought, you know, I 353 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:12,040 knew we were going through hard times, but I never thought that 354 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:14,920 would be the thing. But what was interesting, when 355 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:17,120 you talk about what was that, like, defining moment? 356 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:22,360 Oh, my goodness. Like it was that for me because 357 00:18:23,120 --> 00:18:25,320 in retrospect, I do feel like towards the end of that 358 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:27,880 relationship, God was chasing after me. 359 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:31,440 And that's why I was like, maybe if we just go to church or 360 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:34,600 maybe, you know, But I remember him telling me that. 361 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:37,360 And I always say this because this is how I felt. 362 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:42,400 It's like the room got quiet. I never expected that to come 363 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:44,960 out of his mouth. And he told me what he had done 364 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:46,840 and he came and he told me immediately. 365 00:18:48,360 --> 00:18:50,560 And I just remember here like feeling. 366 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:55,040 Held. And like, I felt God being like, 367 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:58,080 just be still. And I had never felt the 368 00:18:58,080 --> 00:18:59,880 presence of God. And that's why it was so 369 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:03,920 powerful for me growing up and not going to church and not 370 00:19:04,120 --> 00:19:06,800 having any sort of relationship with God and not even knowing 371 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:09,080 that the relationship aspect was a thing. 372 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:11,760 Like, I knew, like, Oh, yeah, there's probably a God that, 373 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:13,120 like, made all of us and like, yeah. 374 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:19,120 But I did not know what it meant to have someone who wouldn't 375 00:19:19,120 --> 00:19:22,040 change anything about you and loves you no matter what. 376 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:26,600 And in that moment, it was like, I realized even this 377 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,920 relationship with me trying to fill a void because this was 378 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:31,560 like a puzzle that was not going to fit. 379 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:37,360 And we were trying for so long. And I can't save this person, 380 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:41,200 and I can't save myself. And I just need to release all 381 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:46,280 of this and just let it go. But I also remember feeling very 382 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:53,360 forgiving and feeling like, you know, it's OK because this, you 383 00:19:53,360 --> 00:19:55,320 know, he's going to be OK. I'm going to be OK. 384 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:57,520 He's not a bad person. I'm not a bad person. 385 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,840 I forgive him. And I think it took him a lot 386 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:03,080 longer to forgive himself than it did me. 387 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:07,080 And I wish I could say that like, I walked in that from the 388 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,200 beginning. But of course, like, I'm human. 389 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,200 So there was anger. There was. 390 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:13,360 Just a bunch of different emotions. 391 00:20:13,360 --> 00:20:16,800 Yeah, and I mean, but I also remember, and it's so weird to 392 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:18,720 say this, I never thought I would feel this way. 393 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:20,760 I felt relief. Oh. 394 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:23,800 Wow. I felt like I was free, which 395 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,720 was so crazy because it never in my mind did I think that I 396 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,840 wanted to be free. But I felt like I had been 397 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:34,160 trying so hard to like save this and fix this and like feeling 398 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:35,320 like OK. Finally. 399 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:37,640 Yeah, just a breath of fresh air. 400 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,200 Almost. And then that's when I really 401 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:44,240 started to feel God just in my life so strong. 402 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:49,760 And so I, like I said, I wish that I could say I just was 403 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,240 like, I forgive you. And you know, and I, I will say 404 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:53,840 I didn't yell. I didn't scream. 405 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:55,640 I didn't. Some woman, that is. 406 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,760 Just let it go. I was almost maybe in shock. 407 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:03,760 And I knew within a couple days that I needed to start to pray 408 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,680 and I needed to lean on God. And so I started to do that. 409 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:10,160 And I, I remember telling the girls that I was close friends 410 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:13,280 with at the time. And it was so weird because 411 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,640 growing up, no one ever even really, I mean, and maybe they 412 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:18,160 didn't. I just didn't notice because you 413 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,040 know, when you're in your darkest times, that's when the 414 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:25,560 light of God is so bright. I people started like sending me 415 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,560 Bible verses because they knew what I was going through and 416 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:30,000 telling me they were praying for me. 417 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:31,520 Yeah, and some of your clients would. 418 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:33,520 Oh my gosh, something's going on. 419 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:35,160 You know the. Biggest thing, because I 420 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:36,960 remember being like, no, that's not what it was. 421 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:38,560 That was probably just me being in shock. 422 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,320 That wasn't God's voice. Like, what is that? 423 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:44,280 Like I've never even, I've never even thought about that. 424 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:48,320 And I remember this one day Sid and I were doing this girl's 425 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,520 hair and she was so precious. And I used to always be like, oh 426 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,560 Lord, like, let's make sure we turn on clean music. 427 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:57,400 Like, you know, cuz she was very openly spiritual and religious. 428 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,040 And that day she came and I remember saying to Sidney, like, 429 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,680 don't tell her what's going on because I was afraid she was 430 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,000 going to be like, forgive him and stay with him. 431 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,560 And I knew that that wasn't what I needed to do. 432 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,120 And I just was like, she's going to be judgmental that I'm like, 433 00:22:11,120 --> 00:22:15,120 getting a divorce. And I remember she started you 434 00:22:15,120 --> 00:22:16,560 doing OK. And I'm like, yeah, I'm like, 435 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:20,960 turn the music on. I don't want to talk about this 436 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:22,440 right now. And she's like, OK. 437 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:24,240 And then she kind of kept going back to it. 438 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:25,600 And then Sid went to go fold towels. 439 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:26,480 And I'm alone in the room with her. 440 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:30,680 And she goes, hey, I really feel like I need to pray for you. 441 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,240 I feel like the Lord is laying on my heart for me to pray for 442 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,320 you. And I was like, OK, And so I 443 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,240 remember she held my hand and she held Sydney's hand. 444 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,960 And that was the first time that anyone had ever placed hands on 445 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,840 me and prayed over me. And when I tell you that the 446 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:48,280 Lord spoke through her, like, I mean, it was just so genuine and 447 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,600 so sincere. And she was praying for the 448 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:52,400 situation I was in. She was praying for my future 449 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,960 husband. She was praying for my life and 450 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,840 praying for me to, like, get rid of any shame that I had and all 451 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:00,120 of this. And it was just completely the 452 00:23:00,120 --> 00:23:02,400 opposite reaction of what I would have expected. 453 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,680 And it was a reaction that I feel like Jesus would have given 454 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:07,320 me. And I remember even Sidney was 455 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:08,880 crying, like, it was so emotional. 456 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,600 And that was the day that I was like, OK, like, whatever, this 457 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:16,520 is like, I need to follow this. Yeah, And there was another 458 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,920 friend that I don't know if she knows how impactful she was. 459 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,920 My friend Hannah Elliott, she would send me Bible verses all 460 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,600 the time and. There was a client that was in 461 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,320 your chair and invited you to church too in that time period, 462 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:28,080 right? And that's where. 463 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:32,160 You were the wife of the pastor at harvest. 464 00:23:32,360 --> 00:23:34,560 Oh wow, and. She invited me to church. 465 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,280 I never even knew she was a pastor's wife. 466 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,680 And it was so weird. Like I mean, I'm telling you God 467 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:41,480 was pulling me in every. Direction. 468 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,640 Just trying to get you in the House of the Lord somehow. 469 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,360 So then I'm sitting here and I'm toying with this. 470 00:23:47,360 --> 00:23:50,080 And like I said, I'm not, I'm fighting it still. 471 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,760 So I'm still angry about what I'm going through. 472 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,520 But then I'm peaceful and then I'm hearing God. 473 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,840 But then I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, that's you know, And all 474 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:03,320 of a sudden I'm getting flooded with all these memories of 475 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,440 things that I felt ashamed of that I had done in the past. 476 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,880 Or, you know, maybe I'll start going to church, but maybe I 477 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:13,120 just need to like, I need to make sure I don't drink anymore 478 00:24:13,120 --> 00:24:15,520 or like, I need to make sure I my divorce is final. 479 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,880 Like, I'm just thinking of all these things I need to clean up 480 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,960 my life before I can really let God in because he doesn't want 481 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:22,960 me how I am right now. Like, I need to do better. 482 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:31,520 And I remember several months after Tyler and I had split, he 483 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,720 asked if Oliver could come and spend the night with him. 484 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:38,120 And so I'm like, OK, And it's Thanksgiving time, and I was 485 00:24:38,120 --> 00:24:39,880 still nursing him. I mean, he was still a baby. 486 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,680 And so I was so scared The first day I moped. 487 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:44,960 The next day I was like, OK, it's Black Friday. 488 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,200 I needed like, get out there. This is the first time I've been 489 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:49,960 without my baby. And this is where Wally World 490 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,760 came to save. So I went to Walmart and I'm 491 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:57,840 Black Friday shopping and then I see the cutest little girl in 492 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,560 the buggy, this little 2 year old looking just like Boo from 493 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,800 Monsters Inc and then her dad. That's the only way I knew how 494 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:04,720 to do her hair at the. Time. 495 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,440 Her dad, whatever. He was there too. 496 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,840 Now he's walking and he's pushing her in the buggy. 497 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:12,600 We're in the curtain aisle. And I am that person that you 498 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,880 see from high school that you're like, oh God, I gotta go. 499 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,240 Like she's gonna talk to me. Talk nonstop. 500 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,600 Yeah, she's just gonna come and talk to me because I'll be like, 501 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:23,200 Oh my God, how have you been? I mean, I just have always been 502 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:24,720 that way. Like, I'm just a talker. 503 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,800 So I see Brandon. I'm like Brandon Carlson, and 504 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,560 he's going like, and I'm like, and then he turns around and 505 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,600 this is so lame, but I remember him turning around and feeling 506 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,720 peace come over me. And he's like, how are you? 507 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,600 And I'm just talking to talk, baby. 508 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,480 I'm bored. And this is unusual cuz people 509 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:48,760 don't know Brandon Carlson. Yeah, in high school she was the 510 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,080 thing. Now every guy wanted to be with 511 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,960 her. And it was like, that would 512 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:55,960 never happen, Brandon. Never. 513 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,480 She don't want to be with you. Well, to be fair, that's not why 514 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,880 I was saying hey. I would have said hey regardless 515 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,120 to anybody. I was really saying hey to Jay. 516 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,480 Yeah. And so I go over and start 517 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,560 talking to him when we're chatting and we. 518 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,800 Just and, and but before this, I had in October, I had reached 519 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:16,560 out to her about doing doing Jade, my daughter's hair and 520 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,000 makeup because she what did she want? 521 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:19,680 For Halloween, she wanted to be Stacy from. 522 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:21,600 Boss baby. Boss, baby. 523 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:23,720 Yeah. So he had reached out to me and 524 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:28,520 like I said, over the years, I remember the situation with his 525 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:34,000 high school sweetheart and then him getting cancer, finding out 526 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,800 he was having a baby. I would always either reach out 527 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,360 to him, Hey, congratulations, I'm so happy for you. 528 00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:41,160 Or hey, I'm really sorry to hear that. 529 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,840 Like you're on my mind. Even though we never were 530 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,840 friends in high school, like it just was always when I got 531 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:48,920 engaged. I'm so happy for you guys, you 532 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,440 know, all this stuff. And so he had reached out to me. 533 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,760 Halloween asked me to do her hair and honestly I didn't even 534 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,280 respond to him. I was going through it how? 535 00:26:56,360 --> 00:26:58,640 She ghosted me like it was. Like I just got too much. 536 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,040 I gotta take my baby trick or treat and like, whatever. 537 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,000 So I really was going up to him to say, hey, sorry I didn't get 538 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,440 back to you about Halloween. Like, I've just had so much 539 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,720 going on. We chatted for a minute about 540 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:11,760 just like, really nothing. And then at the end of the 541 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,040 conversation, he goes, oh, by the way, does your husband still 542 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,640 do photography? Because my mom wants to get, 543 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,360 like, big family photos taken. And I was like, well, that 544 00:27:20,360 --> 00:27:22,320 person does still do photography. 545 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,040 And I was like, but, you know, I'm actually going through a 546 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,880 divorce right now. And, you know, told him what 547 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,000 happened. And he was like, you're kidding 548 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,120 me. And he's like, I'm going through 549 00:27:30,120 --> 00:27:31,400 the same thing. You know, I know what that's 550 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:32,720 like. And I was like, oh, yeah, I know 551 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,160 you went through that in the past. 552 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,360 And he was like, yeah, I'm going through it again. 553 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,360 I was like, no, but then you're like, this is. 554 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:45,760 No, I wasn't. I was like, poor God bless his 555 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,480 sweetheart. He just can't get the break. 556 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:50,840 And then he says, like, you know why? 557 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:52,040 I'm so sorry you're going through that. 558 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,400 You know, I know how that feels. And then he tells me, I got to 559 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:58,840 ask, are you going to therapy? I was like, now he was like, 560 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,640 well, let me give you this card. And he gives me a therapist 561 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,720 card. And he's like, you know, the 562 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,120 first time I went through this, I tried to handle it on my own. 563 00:28:06,120 --> 00:28:07,760 I didn't think I needed any help. 564 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,640 And I brought a lot of that pain into my next relationship. 565 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,880 And now I'm going to therapy. And I'm realizing that it's OK 566 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:16,400 for me to have help through this. 567 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,440 And I don't want to carry that into the rest of my life. 568 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,120 So I really recommend you like leaning on someone. 569 00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:24,000 And I'm like, OK. And that's when I was like, he 570 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,480 looks a little different than he did. 571 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:29,120 And I was like this like this man that has pulled me over in 572 00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:32,040 the past because that's the thing told me over before. 573 00:28:32,360 --> 00:28:33,920 And now he's telling me to go to therapy. 574 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,960 Like that's kind of that's kind of different. 575 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,040 No, Yeah. He had pulled me over when I was 576 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,600 pregnant with Oliver. And I remember thinking I'm 577 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,600 surely getting a ticket. Or like she was pointing out a 578 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:46,720 Chick-fil-A on Watson that. Invisible line is just so. 579 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,280 Crazy, It's crazy. And we never had hung out. 580 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:51,720 Like it's so weird. And he pulled me over and I'm 581 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:52,680 like great, I'm going to get a ticket. 582 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,640 Then I see him and I was like, it's Brandon Carlson. 583 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:55,400 I'm I'm. Going. 584 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,280 He's so nice. He's not going to give me a 585 00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:58,880 ticket. And then he said, all right, you 586 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,080 be careful, especially since you got that baby on the way. 587 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,360 And now I'm like to say, well, did he know he would be raising 588 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:05,040 that baby? Yes. 589 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,280 But. Yeah, so so he tells me that and 590 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,120 then he ends up messaging me later that day and says, you 591 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,880 know, hey, I'm really sorry that that heavy conversation got 592 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,840 brought up in a public place. Definitely consider what I said 593 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,040 about therapy, but also you should really come to church 594 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:22,680 with me and Jade. He's like, they have a great 595 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,320 kids program like Ollie and Jade can go there and we could go to 596 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,680 church. And I was like, OK, that's 597 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,520 weird. This is another person inviting 598 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,520 me to go to church. Mind you it was the same church 599 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,480 that I had already been invited to that I had already told 600 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,840 someone I was going to go. So I'm like well now I have to 601 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:39,800 go. And I remember I screenshot it 602 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:41,720 and sent it to my friends and said do y'all think he's 603 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,760 flirting with me because I am not I'm not interested. 604 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:46,600 And they were like, I think he's just inviting you to. 605 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:51,360 Church like going back she y'all run into each other at Walmart 606 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,040 and we're talking and stuff so and then she mentioned that you 607 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,120 were going through it again. So maybe go a little bit into 608 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,120 that relationship maybe. OK. 609 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,520 Yeah. So after my, that first 610 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:07,680 marriage, you know, that really sucked because I was that guy in 611 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,160 high school. It's like, oh, this is my 612 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:13,080 sweetheart, like I'm going to marry her and forever and all 613 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,200 that stuff. And then it just like it was 614 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:20,160 like not the case. And so became a cop and Warner 615 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:24,240 Robins and started doing that. She actually reached back out 616 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,560 not long while I was still on on the road training. 617 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,200 And she was like, oh, I made a mistake and then come out my 618 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:36,200 first life, I made a mistake and and I want to, I want, I want to 619 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,480 get back with you. And I was like, OK, you know, 620 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,920 because in my mind, my mind at the time, I had a biblical view 621 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,040 about marriage. And so I was like, you know, 622 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:50,360 she's still my wife, like I'm still tied to her and this other 623 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,600 person took her from me and I was like, OK, yeah, well let's 624 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:54,920 do it. So we, we started hanging out 625 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,440 and everything started finding out some things that she was 626 00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,640 telling me about this guy and who he was. 627 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,000 And I and I didn't really know him. 628 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:05,360 I knew his family. And, and so I started talking to 629 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,280 him. And I remember when we, we went 630 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,680 to McDonald's on Russell and had like a conversation like 3 hours 631 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:15,920 and came to found out, find out that she was telling me the same 632 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:20,320 things about him that she told him about me whenever she was, 633 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,320 you know, they were doing their thing and everything. 634 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,320 And so I look back now, I'm like, Brandon, you were such an 635 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,880 idiot. But young gone like. 636 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:31,720 I know, but I was still an idiot young. 637 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:33,080 And loyal. Yeah, loyal. 638 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,360 And, you know, that's your wife, you know, and you had a biblical 639 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,120 standpoint. So you're, like, real. 640 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,960 You just really want that to work. 641 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:45,600 Yeah, but when I tell you I was an idiot because she was like, 642 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,480 OK, well, because we had, we had confronted her about, it was 643 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,280 like, look. He talked to me on the phone 644 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:51,320 right before he went to McDonald's. 645 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,080 With this guy. And I told you he was talking to 646 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:53,840 me through it. Yeah. 647 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,520 And I'm like, me and Tyler are like you. 648 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,120 Be careful. Don't do anything crazy. 649 00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:58,000 Don't get your? Dog. 650 00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,080 Yeah, he. Calls us. 651 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:00,960 He's like, yeah. Yeah, but so. 652 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:02,680 That's not what I. Thought of so we confronted her 653 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,440 and was like, look, I think you're lying like you're telling 654 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,760 him the same things that you told me about him, you know and 655 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,200 and so she was like, all right, well look here's what I'll do 656 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:11,480 and she was married to him at this time. 657 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,600 She's like give me a week and I'll choose between y'all and 658 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:19,080 we're both like, OK, this one I'm saying like I was an idiot. 659 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:24,000 And so we give her a week and we he goes and meets with her first 660 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,160 and then he leaves and then I go and meet with. 661 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,120 This is. Like a real life bachelor. 662 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,120 And she like straight up was like, oh, look, you know, I just 663 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,720 have happier moments with him. So I just want to be with him. 664 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,280 And so I told her straight up I was like, look, is this the 665 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,280 second time, like second opportunity I gave you? 666 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:43,640 I'm done. I'm done with it. 667 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,880 And so from there, I just, you know, I kind of put it behind 668 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:47,800 me. You know, it took a little bit 669 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,280 to get over it, but I struggled with a lot. 670 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:55,760 I struggled with trust because, you know, just that person and 671 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,480 just tearing me down and I didn't really trust people 672 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,520 anymore. Something else happened that 673 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,560 destroyed my trust even more. You might as well just do a 674 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,480 short snob because he got catfish. 675 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,280 Brandon, do you have Live Mini live sweetheart? 676 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,920 He talked somebody online for six months and they completely 677 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:16,040 were not. You brought it up. 678 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,120 I wasn't gonna say anything. She does not like that story. 679 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:19,600 But. I wasn't. 680 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,320 How did you find out it's not? That I don't like it. 681 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,400 I just am like. Listen, Carlson, I could write a 682 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:28,120 book about it like it was, and I had never watched Catfish the 683 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,560 show. He's just a loving a loving. 684 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,320 I, I love people. I love, love. 685 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,840 Well, this, this person reached out to me on Instagram, OK? 686 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,560 And I was, and I was in a vulnerable place and I was like, 687 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,040 OK, yeah. So she started talking. 688 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,440 We started talking everything and everyone at work, 689 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,760 dispatchers, you know, my buddies on the road, all of them 690 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:50,120 like Brandon, she ain't real. And I'm like, no, she is real. 691 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:51,800 I promise. Looking back now, I'm like, Oh 692 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,000 yeah, it was definitely fake. But it would be like we'd talk 693 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,440 and she'd be, she wouldn't say anything for two weeks and then 694 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,640 she'd come back and be like, oh, sorry, I got diagnosed with 695 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,560 cancer and I'm like, OK, yeah, that's possible, whatever. 696 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:03,360 And then she would just get worse. 697 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:04,600 Yeah. And then she would talk, talk 698 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,160 and then two weeks and I wouldn't hear anything. 699 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,000 She's like, oh, sorry, I got R word by my brother. 700 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:14,639 Now I'm pregnant with twins and I'm just like, well, I'll raise 701 00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:16,920 the twins, whatever. And so it was just. 702 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:17,840 These are the. Details. 703 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:19,639 I'm telling you, yeah, it's embarrassing. 704 00:34:19,639 --> 00:34:22,520 It's embarrassing, but. Hey, glory to God, you know 705 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,199 you've came a long way since then, you know? 706 00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:26,280 Yeah. And so. 707 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,679 Believing it. I'm sorry. 708 00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:32,000 And so everyone, everyone was like, Brandon, this person's not 709 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,080 real. And I remember I got off of work 710 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:35,560 one night and I was like, she is real. 711 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,239 I'm going to meet her. So I left and my buddy was 712 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:42,080 getting married in North Georgia and I was like, OK, well I'm 713 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:43,800 going to be in this wedding. Do you want to meet me there? 714 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,600 Cuz she was like, Oh yeah, I've got an aunt that lives in South 715 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,280 Carolina. I was like, cool, go down there 716 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,840 and meet me there. So I get up there she go. 717 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,840 I never hear anything, right? She doesn't show up the next 718 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,120 day. And I'm like messing her. 719 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:55,679 And I'm like, hey, you didn't show up. 720 00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:58,640 What's up? And I laughed. 721 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,640 Now she said she got her phone. Yeah, no, she was like, she, 722 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,400 yeah, she got her phone stolen at some gas station in South 723 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,400 Carolina. I was like, no worries, I'll 724 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,440 drive up there. So I drive 2 hours of South 725 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,680 Carolina and I sit in this gas station parking lot for 8 hours 726 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,520 waiting for her. I'm telling you, like, I wanted 727 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,200 somebody to love me so bad. And. 728 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,280 And she never shows up. So I'm like, screw it. 729 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,560 And I drive up. I go home and I called my buddy 730 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,200 Jacob Whitehead. And I'm like talking to him. 731 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,600 And I'm, I know it just sounds so stupid, but. 732 00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:32,080 And I, I come home and then she messages me and it gives me this 733 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:33,360 story. And I was like, OK, it's 734 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,080 plausible. Yeah. 735 00:35:35,240 --> 00:35:37,440 And so we keep talking everything. 736 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,480 Everybody's telling me she's fake and, and she was like, all 737 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,120 right, look, because I confronted her, I'm like, look, 738 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:45,880 you're not real. She's like I'm real and 739 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:47,000 everything. Come to Ohio. 740 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,200 That's where she lived. And she told me like her parents 741 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,960 name. She told me the car she drives, 742 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,520 her best friend's name, all this stuff, her address. 743 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,840 And I was like, OK, my cousin is best friend lived in Columbus, 744 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:00,880 OH. And so I was like, hey, you come 745 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,320 with me, you spend time with him. 746 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:04,280 I'll go spend time with it with her. 747 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:06,560 He's like, all right. And he's, he's like the whole 748 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,240 time, like she's not real. She's not real. 749 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:13,840 And so we dropped 13 hours up there and we get there and we're 750 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,560 this like this town that she said she lived in was like 300 751 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,960 people if she lives here. People the gas station knows. 752 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:24,000 Peeper know her and so I go into a gas station and I show them a 753 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,120 picture and I'm like does this person live here And they're 754 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:31,480 like I've seen her but I don't know her name and I'm like so me 755 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,000 and my cousin looked at him like OK well. 756 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:34,520 He's like. There is that shit. 757 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,560 I was like, she's real. I was like, maybe she's real. 758 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,800 Here's one of the kickers. Her name was Natalie Smith and 759 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,280 her her best friend was Brittany Smith. 760 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,120 So it was like, yeah, it just all adds up. 761 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,400 And I I wasn't going to bring this up and he's. 762 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:50,360 Like. This is I wasn't. 763 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,200 Going to tell this story. I even told her before I was 764 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:54,320 like, I won't bring it up. I won't. 765 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,600 That's why I was like something happened that ruined my trust 766 00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,120 even more. But anyway, we're here now. 767 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,960 Yeah. And so we're like, OK, maybe, 768 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:06,960 maybe, maybe. So we're like, well, let's go to 769 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:08,840 this house. So we go to the house and it 770 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,360 says middle of cornfields, nothing long driveway. 771 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:16,680 So we're we go down the driveway and there's this like probably 772 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:20,880 fifties, 60s couple walking on the driveway and we stopped 773 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,760 about halfway and I rolled down the window, said hey, how you 774 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:24,840 doing? She was like, hey, how y'all 775 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:26,160 doing? I was like, hey, you know, my 776 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,920 name's Brandon and I'm here to meet someone named Natalie 777 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,280 Smith. And she was like, I don't know 778 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,880 who that is. And I was like, well, she said 779 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,400 she lives here. And she was like, no, no one 780 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,640 named Natalie lives here. And I said, what's your name? 781 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,000 She told me her name was like. That's the parents. 782 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,640 I was like, that's the name that she told me her mom was. 783 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:46,840 She was like, really? I said, what's your husband 784 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:48,840 name? She told me I was like, that's 785 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:50,240 the name she gave me for her dad. 786 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:54,720 And I was like at this location, she was like, no one lives here 787 00:37:54,720 --> 00:37:57,120 by the name of Natalie. And I showed her a picture and 788 00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:58,600 she was like, Nope, never seen her. 789 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,440 And I was like, well, just so you know, someone online is 790 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,880 saying that she lives here and that you are her mom and he's 791 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,080 her dad. And she was like, well that's 792 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:07,160 weird. Turns around and walks off. 793 00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,440 And me and my cousin looked. They were like, I would have a 794 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,320 different reaction to that. Yeah. 795 00:38:13,720 --> 00:38:14,920 And so we were like, all right, this. 796 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,160 Was it the mom? Well, hang on. 797 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,760 And so we're like, OK, this is weird. 798 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,680 And so we turn around and he was like, dude, I told you, I told 799 00:38:23,720 --> 00:38:24,680 you. And I was like, well, let's 800 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:26,640 let's go. Because she told me the address 801 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,000 and or no, she told me the town that her best friend lived in 802 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,960 that she and she lived, drove a purple PT Cruiser. 803 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,000 And we were like, OK, that's 30 minutes. 804 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,520 So we drove there. We're riding around this town 805 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,800 looking for a purple PT Cruiser because I tell my cousin, like, 806 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,840 look, I doubt there's more than one of these PT Cruisers. 807 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,840 And he's like, all right. So we ride around and we find it 808 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:46,160 parked on the side of a road. Oh. 809 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:47,680 My gosh, in front of a house? Wow. 810 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,400 So we pull up, I go up and there's a lady sitting on the 811 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,320 front porch. And she was like, can I help 812 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:53,200 you? And I said, I'm looking for 813 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,280 Brittany Smith. And she was like, hang on. 814 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,520 So she goes inside and I look and I was like, we got something 815 00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,920 here. And so she comes out. 816 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,720 She's like. All right guys, well, I think we 817 00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:07,880 came to a pretty good stopping point for this week. 818 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,520 We actually just decided that we're going to move this into a 819 00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,560 two-part series because this story is just too good and I 820 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,360 don't want to cut this much. So make sure that you tune in 821 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:20,560 next week Wednesday at 4:00 PM. Stay tuned, stay blessed, and 822 00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:21,960 we'll see you guys later. Bye.