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What's up guys? 
My name's Alexis, your host with

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praises in the pod, and I am so 
excited to be here with Jenna 

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Cook today. 
We're going to be talking about 

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her testimony, her life now, 
what that looks like, and so 

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much more. 
We're going to start off in 

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prayer and then we're going to 
jump right in. 

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So here we go. 
Lord, Heavenly Father, thank you

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for today. 
Thank you for all your many 

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blessings. 
Dear God, thank you for just 

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staying beside us and leading 
and guiding us through it all. 

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Lord God, you have been through 
it and every step that we have 

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taken and we are just so 
thankful for that. 

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Please speak to us and through 
us and let this episode glorify 

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you. 
In Jesus Christ I pray. 

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Amen. 
Amen. 

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Do you find yourself saying that
in your sleep? 

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Yes, yes, I'm like speak to me 
and through me, Lord, but I do 

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say that all the time, but all 
the time it's being said. 

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So every introduction, yes. 
So at the beginning, when I 

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first started, I realized that I
was being so repetitive. 

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And then Matt did the prayer 
series and he was like, are you 

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just saying it to say it or are 
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So now I do change it up, but I 
do end the same way every time. 

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So hey, I think it's awesome. 
I didn't. 

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Thank you so much for having me,
I really appreciate. 

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It I'm so excited. 
You really have been through 

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like every episode, like 
listening from the beginning, 

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like it's just been so exciting 
like to have. 

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You on from you talking about 
the beginning of it Yeah. 

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And just watching how you did it
and then hey, I made some 

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mistakes here and now I'm going 
to do it this way. 

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I think you've just, it's been, 
it's just been so cool to watch.

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Thank you. 
Well, let's talk about you, 

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girl. 
OK. 

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All right, So start us off from 
maybe your childhood. 

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Like, what does that look like? 
Did you have a faith when you 

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were a kid? 
Your family, that kind of 

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dynamic thing. 
All right, so starting out, my 

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dad was military. 
He's Air Force, and he now still

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is, but he's retired, sort of. 
He was Air Force active duty for

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24 years. 
Wow retired in 2005 and at that 

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time we were still living in 
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Wow. 
But back up. 

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I was born in England, so I 
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life over in Europe. 
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Yeah, so have fun. 
We were in Germany for nine 

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years. 
It's a long time. 

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We weren't supposed to be there 
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lot of things. 
And my siblings and I were all 

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homeschooled at that time from 
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That was my my Germany 
childhood. 

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Just got to see and experience a
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And, and being military brat, I 
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And it was a complicated, it was
almost a crisis when anybody 

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would ask, hey, what's your 
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Because most military people 
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And I would say, well, I was 
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Oh, you're British? 
No, I'm, you can hear me 

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talking. 
I'm not British. 

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And I was so confused sometimes 
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questions. 
And I was homeschooled and there

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was a lot of social awkwardness 
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It was fine. 
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homeschooled. 
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appreciating it, it was it was a
great thing for me personally. 

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Now you have siblings, And how 
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Well, I'm one of five, but 
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four of us. 
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childhood and my adulthood, but 
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parents got pregnant again for 
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I was 20. 
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They sat down. 
They sat down and they said, 

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hey, I don't even, I think it 
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because they didn't know how to.
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We're having another baby and 
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the time. 
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just, I think my jaw hit the 
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5 minutes. 
But but yeah, I have a brother 

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who's 20 years younger than me 
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There's five of us, but in 
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there were four. 
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oldest. 
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older brother and two younger 
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Oh wow, so like with that 
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y'all weren't raised together at
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So he's really being raised as 
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like his aunt yeah, we're not 
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but it it works. 
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is a big family. 
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into yours, but because you kept
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kids. 
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did have a faith or y'all went 
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To talk about that a little, 
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were around the age of 20, they 
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1st and then my mom almost left 
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that she thought he was nuts. 
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When he accepted Jesus and 
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It was, I was this way and I met
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the complete opposite direction,
which was really awesome as his 

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testimony. 
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But my mom was, you know, not 
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So she basically said not for 
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And the Lord just got a hold of 
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So they were around 20 and then 
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wanted to do everything they 
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who Jesus was. 
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intentional in that way. 
They raised us with the Bible in

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our home and reading and Bible 
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So at the age of around 7 1/2 to
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This is a long time ago anyway. 
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where I remember sitting in my 
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their bed and just asking Jesus 
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time. 
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definitely a moment of 
remembering. 

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I have, I have God in me now. 
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I wouldn't have said this, but 
the Holy Spirit came into my 

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life and I've been right, has 
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Well, has been, has been better 
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Yes, yes, yes. 
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participating in all the church 
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We, I might as well have been a 
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Sometimes I say that because we 
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open. 
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We were doing all the 
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We could do church camps, Awana.
I was in Awana. 

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I love how you said that your 
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they go through this patch 
because I'm sure you've heard me

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at the church too, but I've been
more open about how me and my 

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husband were struggling so bad 
because I personally had a 

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radical change. 
And then he's like, you're crazy

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girl, like what are what's going
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But now is there a no mom? 
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And but then like your mom, like
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But then once you see it, you 
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Like once you grasp how good the
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your life, you understand. 
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generations just have continued 
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That's amazing. 
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your eyes opened and and the 
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you now, and it means so much in
your life because that's what's 

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happening. 
Exactly, so you grow up in 

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church and then how do y'all get
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OK, well, when my dad retired in
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little while. 
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little bit, Denver. 
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wouldn't be a bad place to end 
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I'm 16. 
I'm a junior in high school. 

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But we didn't end up staying 
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My dad got a job at Robbins Air 
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here. 
And when he said Warner Robins, 

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I thought that doesn't sound 
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I don't know how it was not 
sounding good to me. 

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Colorado and the mountains, the 
snow, and now we're going South.

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Yeah. 
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Yeah. 
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people, because we're in the 
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We talked to a lot of people and
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said this, probably a few 
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black hole and it will suck you 
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I don't think that, yeah. 
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tell us if you go there, you 
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Well, for me, that ended up 
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I've been here for 20 years now.
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Because he got that job and just
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That's. 
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Not the black hole you didn't 
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Not a plantable. 
The roots. 

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I would not say that I am born 
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was born somewhere and raised 
everywhere, yeah. 

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Oh, I like that. 
But it was good. 

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I think a lot of experience came
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challenged and not not being 
comfortable all the time was 

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probably a really good, yeah, a 
good thing. 

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Yeah, well-being homeschooled 
too, and then moving around that

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probably that stigma of like the
social, you know, you don't have

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that social. 
What is it called? 

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Like you, just what is it? 
I don't know, you know, 

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blending. 
Like, you adapting. 

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Adapting. 
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Like, sometimes, you know, they 
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Good social cues being a 
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But like for you all the jokes, 
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one and then. 
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like you had to meet people, you
had to talk and stuff like that.

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So we had to speak another 
languages sometimes, although we

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didn't know. 
We didn't, we didn't get to know

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German very well, but we were 
able to ask for food, ask where 

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the toilet is, just little stuff
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Bilingual, very nice. 
Not anymore. 

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If you don't use it, you lose 
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Yeah. 
So adulthood, What does that 

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look like? 
When do you meet Drew? 

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Is that a good bit? 
A while. 

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Or I graduated from high school 
and I'm starting to go to 

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college, which it was making 
State College at the time, and I

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get through almost to the end of
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I think this was right at the 
beginning of my senior year of 

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high of college, not high 
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And we had been going to a 
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had been praying about, you 
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them to another church and that 
another church happened to be 

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Southside. 
OK, they went on ahead, but I 

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stayed back at the other church 
and I had friends and a group 

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there that I was really involved
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So I, I sort of hung back a 
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And then I remember they just 
kind of said, Hey, there's 

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groups that you could get 
involved at Southside if you 

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wanted to. 
I think they have a college 

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group. 
And I said, OK, you know, I'll, 

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I'll think about it. 
And I thought it's, I'm going 

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into my senior year and my plan 
was to get away from Warner 

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Robins. 
Not that I was just, I've got to

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get out of here. 
This is awful. 

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It was, I just really think that
the Lord might be leading me on 

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some mission somewhere. 
Maybe I need to go be a 

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missionary at some point. 
And I wanted to have open hands 

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to that. 
But it turns out when I started 

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getting more involved at 
Southside, because I eventually 

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did, I tried looking at some 
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This is not a popular story I 
guess, but I ended up in the 

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wrong group at one point and it 
was kind of awkward and I ended 

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up walking out of the group 
pretending that I had to go to 

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the bathroom because it wasn't 
the group that I was looking 

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for. 
Well, you know, you got to 

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sometimes it it was. 
It was funny, I guess now 

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looking back, it was just funny 
how that happened. 

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But from there, I ended up going
to the group that Drew Cook at 

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the time as a single man, had 
just gotten to Warner Robins not

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too long ago, and he had become 
the children's pastor at 

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Southside. 
He started doing all the things 

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that, you know, that single 
children's pastor does. 

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He does everything they say. 
Oh, Drew can do that because 

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he's, you know, he's got some 
free time, You know, he's 

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single. 
And he's got a great 

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personality. 
Big like throw him in there, 

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great at it. 
He's. 

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Willing to yeah, he was excited 
just yes, whatever. 

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So the all the things included 
leading a college age group and 

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he was helping to lead it and I 
walked into that group. 

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This is it's not the same name 
of the room that we did this in.

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It's called something different,
but at the time it was called 

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room 118. 
And I go in there. 

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This is the first night that I 
try out this college group after

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accidentally attending the wrong
one. 

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I go in and I remember seeing 
him just kind of mingling and 

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talking to people. 
I could tell that he was 

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probably the one in charge. 
So I introduced myself and I 

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remember the spot in the room 
that we were standing when we 

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shook hands for the first time. 
Oh my. 

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Goodness. 
It's on the left side of the 

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room. 
I love how you're like staying 

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where y'all are and whatever 
because I'm like I'm picturing 

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it, I'm here, I'm here, seen 
the. 

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Room and you can walking in, you
know there's 2 doors out, you 

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can go one way or the other but 
that's where we met for the 

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first. 
Time. 

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So does it like just pop off? 
Immediately or no, it was 

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completely neutral, I think on 
both of our parts. 

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He he was eligible no doubt. 
And I noticed other young ladies

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just kind of like, you know, you
can tell. 

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So Drew was a hot commodity, I 
think. 

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So, but he would tell you that's
absolutely not the case. 

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Oh, wow. 
That he was very much ignored 

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and nobody was looking any kind 
of way to to get with him. 

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I don't know. 
I know I have my womanly senses,

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I guess. 
But it was fine because we just 

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got to know each other in the 
group. 

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We got to know each other as 
friends. 

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And we did that for several 
months. 

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And I think that was, it was 
either July or August that we 

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met. 
It's fuzzy on that part. 

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But Fast forward to October is 
when I realized I might be 

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interested, OK. 
And I had not dated at all 

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before that. 
Yeah. 

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And he's not an exaggeration. 
I I didn't. 

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Yeah, I just did. 
Well, you moved and then 

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different things. 
You're homeschooled, so. 

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I always told people, oh man, 
I've just got so much school 

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where yeah, I don't want to. 
I don't want to start any dating

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pattern. 
I didn't say it that way. 

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That sounds kind of weird, but I
would always politely just say, 

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no, I'm, I'm good right now. 
I've just got a lot of things 

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going on. 
I use that excuse a lot. 

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So did you shoot your shot or? 
No, he actually he did OK 

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because he was. 
Since in it. 

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He was, I, I was praying about 
it and just saying, all right, 

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well, if, if this might be the 
person, God that you have for 

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me, I don't have to do anything 
because you're going to hey, 

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ma'am, start making that happen.
I truly believe that. 

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And he did. 
He he said, hey, this might be 

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completely weird. 
And as soon as he started that 

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phrase that, hey, this this 
might sound really weird. 

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I just knew what was coming, 
that he was going to ask me out.

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Yeah, but we were alone at that 
time. 

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We were very much not ever alone
because it was a big group that 

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we were always with. 
But at that point it was just 

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the two of us and there was 
really nobody else standing 

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around or anything. 
And I said, you know what? 

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I've I've been praying about 
this. 

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And at that point he, I mean, 
his head just went what what do 

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you mean? 
Like you've been thinking about 

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this too. 
And I so I forget all of our 

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dialogue in that moment, but we,
we started to talk about it. 

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We actually did not start dating
though at that time because I 

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had been talking to some of my 
accountability and it wasn't an 

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automatic. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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It was a let's let's kind of 
hang on. 

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He's much older than you was 
brought up. 

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And that is true. 
If you consider 13 1/2 years as 

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a significant age gap. 
It's, it's something to think 

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about. 
I don't. 

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I mean, I'm sure. 
I understand girl, I got the age

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gap too, so I understand most of
the time it is like they're 

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like, Are you sure? 
Like maybe, you know, not 

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everybody's jumping on board on 
that, but when you know, you 

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know, but you know, if y'all 
wanted to play it safe for a 

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while, y'all want to continue to
pray about it and we. 

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It was about Christmas time 
where I just, I started to get 

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more of that. 
I I really do think that that 

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this is my husband, my future 
husband, husband currently, but 

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my future husband and I didn't 
really communicate any of that 

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to him because we were just very
trying intentionally to stay 

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friends. 
But I would say in February of 

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the following, which this is not
much time in between us meeting 

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and talking about, you know, 
something as big as marriage. 

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But February, March in that 
frame is when we began to date. 

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But we didn't even really 
advertise that we were dating. 

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It was we had talked about it. 
We were both very the the thing 

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about it is we we had discussed 
this is something we're very, 

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very serious about. 
So we don't want to mess around.

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We don't want to play around 
with everybody's emotions here 

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in the situation, but we're 
super serious. 

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Yeah. 
And OK, February, March started 

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dating. 
We were engaged April. 

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We were married in May, on the 
day of my college graduation. 

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So like 2 months right? 
Y'all decide in February, 2 

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months later, three days. 
Got it. 

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I love it. 
Yes, it it was interesting. 

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I had not gotten really super 
involved in serving at the 

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church yet. 
So I was immune to a lot of if 

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people were saying what is going
on, why this is a pastor who's 

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suddenly getting, you know, 
engaged. 

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Yeah. 
But I didn't, I wasn't aware of 

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that because I just wasn't in 
there yet and listening and 

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hearing and, and I think that 
was a good thing. 

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It was probably a protect off 
thing for me. 

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Definitely. 
If it was happening, I don't 

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know. 
It's my imagination. 

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Anyway, we we got engaged April 
and I knew that my family was 

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coming for my college 
graduation. 

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So we talked and we both said, 
you know what, actually not we 

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both, this was me. 
I said my family is all coming 

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and I could so walk 2 aisles 
that day. 

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We're going to do college 
graduation in the morning. 

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How fun. 
And at 4:00 PM that same day, 

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I'm going to walk down and that 
this is now what in our 

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Southside Warner Robins campus 
is now our elementary 

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auditorium. 
That's where we got married, 

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walking down that aisle. 
And I'll save fun graduation and

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marriage right there. 
Both there and then. 

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Y'all just celebrated. 
Not like a month, two months. 14

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years. 
Yes. 

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Yeah, back in May. 
Yeah OK, I knew I was like I 

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just remember seeing y'all post.
It out as I said it, I 

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questioned. 
Because now there's enough years

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to start forgetting things. 
Yeah, and enough children to 

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take all the brain cells, 
probably. 

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Yes. 
So let's get into maybe the 

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children a little bit. 
Children, Yes, children. 

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So when do y'all start trying? 
Do y'all start trying right off 

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the RIP? 
Like to have a baby or we 

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actually were. 
Hoping that it would not happen 

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extremely soon. 
I mean, we wanted to be open to 

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it because when you get married 
you want to not be. 

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That was just, that was us. 
We didn't want to be super 

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strict. 
But also we would have preferred

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to have a little bit of time. 
About a year and a half to two 

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years into our marriage is when 
we were hoping to start. 

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You know, I wanted to get 
pregnant and it, it happened 

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very quickly. 
Yeah. 

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Dried off really quickly and we 
got pregnant with our first. 

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He is now 12. 
His name is Joey. 

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Gosh, wow. 
So yes, so it was about two 

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years though. 
About two years. 

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Cool. 
So that's a good little time. 

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I was thinking that it was like,
you know, a few months maybe, 

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but y'all had a little time, Not
much. 

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We tried to to kind of, you 
know, at least the first year or

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so just really get to know each 
other. 

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I don't think that's the whole 
reason, but that was a lot just 

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to think about all in. 
We already had done quite a few 

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things just in that short amount
of time as far as graduating 

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college, starting to look for 
jobs and teaching jobs. 

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That's my degree is elementary 
and child elementary and special

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education. 
Yeah. 

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So when do you start working at 
the church? 

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Is that before, after, later? 
It was after we got married. 

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It was probably, I would say a 
year ish into maybe not quite 

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that long. 
I was part time before I was 

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full time. 
I was brought in to do 

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elementary education side of 
things. 

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Not the education because that's
my degree, but the elementary 

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curriculum. 
Yeah. 

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And the lessons in the small 
group activities. 

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So they had already pulled me 
in. 

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I was already volunteering in 
that area and it just made sense

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to well, it didn't make much 
sense to me at the time because 

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someone had told me, hey, I see 
leadership potential. 

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And I was thinking, well, that's
so nice of you, but I don't see 

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that. 
I don't get the in charge the 

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way you are because I see what 
you have to do and, and you have

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to hire and fire volunteers. 
And that sounds like 0 fun. 

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And now that's pretty much the 
whole of what I'm doing. 

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Yeah, did. 
So you've loved kids your whole 

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life. 
Like you wanted to go into 

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education with elementary school
and then did y'all already? 

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Did y'all talk about how many 
kids you wanted when you first 

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got married or you're just? 
Kind of like the conversation 

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would decide, sorry, I 
interrupted you. 

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No, you're fine. 
The conversation was we would 

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like to have several. 
There was not a number put on 

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it. 
And at this time, I, I don't 

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know, maybe some of my friends 
that I was close to, they would 

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say I want 4 kids and their 
names are going to be. 

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And I was just not in that realm
at all. 

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I didn't have a number. 
I didn't have names picked out. 

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It was very nonchalant and 
easygoing. 

428
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Yeah. 
And but I was open to having 

429
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plenty of kids and I came from a
large family. 

430
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:53,880
Yeah. 
So you liked it? 

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Yeah. 
So Joey, just 12 and then you 

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have more. 
So let's get how What's their 

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age gaps? 
Sometimes I call them machine 

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gun children because it's rapid.
They just they. 

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Just keep. 
One after the other. 

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Landry, she is 10 now, so Joey 
12, Landry 10. 

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And then we have our Aubrey, 
who's our middle child. 

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She's 8. 
Judah is 6. 

439
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Yeah. 
OK. 

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So it's even numbers now 121086.
OK. 

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And then we have a few years. 
Here comes JJ Love JJ, our 

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little guy. 
But during this time, like 

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between those years, it's not 
like y'all were trying to be 

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preventative or anything like 
that, right? 

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Like y'all just weren't really 
conceiving or. 

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We, we were, we were content. 
Probably that's more how I think

447
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about it is when Judah was out 
of diapers I thought, oh wow, 

448
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this this is different and this 
is a new phase and I'm liking a 

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lot of the aspects of this to 
not have to wake up in the 

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middle of the night and not have
not have a toddler at NO when he

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potty trained completely. 
I thought, ah, I'm even more 

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content now I'm starting to get 
some things setting in that tell

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me 4 would 4 would be pretty 
good. 

454
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,680
Yeah, I think we're we're pretty
content, but at the same time, 

455
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:22,800
there was something just there, 
I don't know how to describe it,

456
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:27,400
but something that it it wasn't 
a no, you're not done yet, but 

457
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:32,640
it was just kind of this still 
little tiny voice just didn't 

458
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:34,040
feel. 
Just just be open. 

459
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:39,280
You don't don't don't get so dig
your heels in. 

460
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,880
Because again, at this phase of 
life, I would even have people 

461
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,640
telling me, hey, you guys are 
you got to an awesome family and

462
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:48,880
and y'all are done now. 
And I would probably agree with 

463
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,080
them. 
I would say yeah, we're we're 

464
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,480
probably pretty much finished 
and four is a great number. 

465
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,480
It's crazy. 
It's a four ring circus. 

466
00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,040
Well, 5:00 if you count the. 
Husband. 

467
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,880
Yeah. 
And Drew, he's a circus for 

468
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,120
sure. 
I should enter the clip of him 

469
00:24:04,120 --> 00:24:06,960
doing the Greatest Showman, you 
know, since that is circus theme

470
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:07,840
and everything. 
He's done a few. 

471
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:11,280
Things be careful what you 
search up on Google. 

472
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:17,240
So in that time span was Drew on
the same page like did he, was 

473
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,920
he pushing for another or he was
kind of like what I remember? 

474
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:26,280
This is a seesaw now it's I 
decided at some .0 maybe I, I 

475
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:30,320
think I do want another baby. 
I just oh, let's have a baby. 

476
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,320
And and then he would be like, 
Oh no, no, no. 

477
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,720
But then the seesaw would tip 
and he would say, Jenna, don't 

478
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,040
you want to have one more? 
Come on, come on. 

479
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,920
No, no, no. 
No, no. 

480
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,480
I. 
Do you see things how crazy they

481
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,720
are? 
No. 

482
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,200
So it would it would do that a 
little bit. 

483
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:55,640
But in 2023, this is coming into
the fall season of 2023. 

484
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,920
I was talking to my friend Rosa 
and we were about to attend this

485
00:24:59,920 --> 00:25:03,480
conference and this conference 
is called Mom Con. 

486
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:07,840
It's done through the Mom Co, 
which is the Mom community, 

487
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:09,920
which is a group that's it's a 
worldwide. 

488
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:11,480
Group. 
I didn't know that until more 

489
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,120
recently. 
I thought that was like a South 

490
00:25:13,120 --> 00:25:15,200
Side thing. 
And then I heard another church 

491
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,840
like that I follow and they're 
talking about Mom Co and I'm 

492
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:19,760
like, wait a minute. 
That's so cool. 

493
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,720
Anyways, today segue into that 
whole Mom Co thing. 

494
00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:26,800
Rosa was really my connection to
the group because she had gone 

495
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:28,960
for a couple years before I 
started attending. 

496
00:25:29,360 --> 00:25:31,920
But then I began attending the 
meetings and their every other 

497
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,240
week at the Warner Robins 
campus. 

498
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,480
And we would go in there and I 
would just hang out with the 

499
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,400
moms. 
And but when I heard her talking

500
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,520
about this conference, I 
thought, all this sounds really 

501
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:44,280
cool. 
Maybe I can go next time. 

502
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:49,800
And so 2023 was Chicago, mom con
Chicago. 

503
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:52,480
And I'd never visited Chicago 
before. 

504
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:53,760
So I thought, well, that's a 
bonus. 

505
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,520
And I'm going to I'm going to 
sign up this time. 

506
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,320
I'm going to go. 
And she's super excited. 

507
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,640
So we're preparing to go and we 
end up, you know, getting there.

508
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:06,640
The conference is awesome. 
We're enjoying the city, going 

509
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,920
to these sessions, large group 
sessions and also just these 

510
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,760
breakouts where they would talk 
about a different topic and each

511
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,960
one and, and it it wasn't even 
anything that was pulling into 

512
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:21,960
just one big overarching theme. 
But during the whole time that 

513
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:26,480
I'm at this conference, I just, 
I can't shake the the thought in

514
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:31,280
my head of maybe we do need to 
have another baby, which I 

515
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,160
thought was pretty crazy for 
myself. 

516
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,800
I'm at a mom con and there's 
moms walking around that have 

517
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:39,640
babies that they have to have 
with them because they're 

518
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,720
nursing them and they have to 
have their babies. 

519
00:26:42,120 --> 00:26:45,320
So I'm seeing these babies and 
oh, they're so cute. 

520
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:49,080
Oh, there's another one. 
OK, I'm at, I'm at a conference.

521
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,960
I'm supposed to really kind of 
have a time away from my kids to

522
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:57,160
focus on just what the Lord 
would have to teach me at this 

523
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:01,040
conference, somewhat without the
distraction of having. 

524
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,320
A baby, right? 
But I thought it was funny 

525
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,440
because I'm just, I'm sitting 
there shaking my head as I'm 

526
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,240
staring at all these babies and 
thinking about this through 

527
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,560
every session. 
Didn't matter what the topic, it

528
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,400
didn't matter what the topic 
was. 

529
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:23,040
It was just a whisper of an even
specific whisper of you're going

530
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,640
to have a baby boy. 
At the time, I was really 

531
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,080
stuffing that away and pushing 
it and just trying to not have 

532
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:34,280
that in my brain because I 
don't, I don't want to make 

533
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,200
something big. 
And yeah, I don't want to, you 

534
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,000
know, does that make sense? 
It does. 

535
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,880
You didn't want to just start 
already having this thought 

536
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,280
that's going to grow and grow 
and grow like you just want if 

537
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,200
that was you just wanted to walk
into it. 

538
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,600
I don't get to tell myself 
what's going to happen. 

539
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:55,600
I know at that point it just 
felt a little bit uneasy as it 

540
00:27:55,600 --> 00:28:01,120
as not a bad feeling. 
It was more of a just even a 

541
00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:06,840
peaceful feeling about it, but 
a, oh, this is, it was a strange

542
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,840
feeling, but every conference, 
every session, I would leave 

543
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,720
from that and it would just kind
of reappear in my head. 

544
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,320
I don't know how to describe it,
but it was there for sure. 

545
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,960
Now, do you come back and tell 
Drew this or do you find out 

546
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,080
you're pregnant there? 
Let's see. 

547
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,000
No. 
OK, Because I'm like, hang on, 

548
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:26,720
is that where is that where 
we're going? 

549
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,480
I. 
I actually woke up, I think this

550
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:33,520
was the last morning I was there
and I I thought about, you know,

551
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,640
the scenario. 
I know we like to play out all 

552
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,040
these scenarios and make things 
up. 

553
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,840
But I had thought about the 
scenario of, you know, getting 

554
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,880
in front of him and saying, hey,
I really think that that this, 

555
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,400
you know, we need to try to have
another baby. 

556
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,480
Yeah. 
And I envisioned him saying, 

557
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,160
Nope. 
I think this is, this is just 

558
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,760
because you went to a conference
and it was mom con and you saw 

559
00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:00,000
all these moms with their 
nursing babies and This is why 

560
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,360
you're super excited about this,
That he was going to justify it 

561
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:07,080
away. 
That's what, you know, in my the

562
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,360
person in my head was saying he 
sounds weird. 

563
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:14,200
But instead, when I came home 
and I did tell him that the 

564
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,960
response was all right, let's 
let's go. 

565
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:22,040
Let's go. 
Yeah, Which confirmed that it 

566
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:26,120
wasn't, you know, my crazy self.
Yeah, somewhat not my crazy 

567
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:30,320
self. 
And it was not long after that, 

568
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,000
I think a month and a half. 
Yeah. 

569
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:33,320
And we found out we were 
pregnant. 

570
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,120
Oh my gosh. 
JJ enters the chat. 

571
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,400
So it not fully, but somewhat. 
And we had no idea. 

572
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,920
I just didn't do a gender thing.
We know. 

573
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,600
OK, so go into a little bit 
about your pregnancy. 

574
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,720
When we found out about the 
pregnancy, I was just really, 

575
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,440
really excited because I had 
been praying for it up to that 

576
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,360
point. 
I remember coming from the 

577
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:57,040
conference and just starting to 
talk to God about it and, and 

578
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,240
say, Lord, I would, I would love
to get pregnant. 

579
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:04,200
I would love to get pregnant and
it, it doesn't, it's not on me. 

580
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:08,200
It has to be, you know, your 
hand and your timing, especially

581
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,560
the timing part, because we all 
know that there can be many, 

582
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:14,160
many things that affect that. 
And it, it didn't really weigh 

583
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,320
in that yes, I've had four 
healthy pregnancies. 

584
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,560
It was, it just felt like a 
whole new thing because this is 

585
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,000
several years after that. 
You're the youngest. 

586
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,800
He's about to be 5 at this time,
right. 

587
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:30,280
So he's kind of, he's older. 
I consider him older anyway. 

588
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:37,360
No, I just we found out and 
immediately I had this next wave

589
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,840
of the thing that you can't get 
out of your head, which I really

590
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:42,160
I believe that's the Holy 
Spirit. 

591
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,600
I keep talking about a voice in 
my head and people might think I

592
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,760
just knew that we did not need 
to find out the gender. 

593
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,280
Oh, great, here we go again, 
because I don't want to be 

594
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,480
completely dogmatic about 
things. 

595
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,680
That's just not my personality. 
I don't want to say and we will 

596
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,120
not find out the gender. 
I didn't want to say it even to 

597
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:06,360
my husband, but I just, I, I 
said, OK, I'm, I'm coming to you

598
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,520
again. 
And I just think that we don't 

599
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,440
need to do anything to find out 
the gender and we don't need to 

600
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:17,080
do just let it, let it be, let 
it be. 

601
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,600
And this is likely going to be 
our last because I'm not really 

602
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,600
getting younger and you're 
definitely not getting younger. 

603
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:27,720
We made a lot of, we make a lot 
of jokes like that, but but we 

604
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:29,960
didn't, we did not find out 
anything. 

605
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:35,640
They always offer genetic 
testing, but I just I've up to 

606
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,520
that point, I had said, no, 
thank you, I'm good. 

607
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,960
We don't, I didn't do it with 
any of the other kids. 

608
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,000
The testing part, we did find 
out the gender of all of the 

609
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,480
other ones ahead of time. 16 to 
20 weeks is when we found out. 

610
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:52,280
But with this one, something, 
you know, I just decided Nah. 

611
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,720
And Drew was really for that 
part. 

612
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,680
He was not on board. 
He really wanted to know. 

613
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,040
I know every time y'all wet he's
like posting the pictures like 

614
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:01,760
trying to show his eyes. 
I'm. 

615
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:03,960
Like let's cover the. 
Eyes he wants to pick so. 

616
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:05,560
Bad, I think that one, one 
appointment. 

617
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:09,080
I put my hand over his eyes to 
make sure that he wasn't. 

618
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,040
Lucky. 
Yes, I mean I trust him, but at 

619
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,320
the same time I needed to do 
something to. 

620
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,600
Yeah, one of the like you said, 
y'all never did genetic testing 

621
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,680
with the others, other babies 
either. 

622
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,960
So is that just because y'all 
were like it's it's God's hand 

623
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:26,800
anyway, this is God's precious 
baby. 

624
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:28,480
Or is it just a lot to do with 
it? 

625
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,600
It does. 
I know whatever the Lord wills. 

626
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,400
And as much as humanly, I just 
want the control. 

627
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:39,960
And I still do, Alexis. 
I want every ounce of control. 

628
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:44,480
And I might seem like a relaxed 
person, but on the inside, the 

629
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:48,440
control freak is there behind 
the wheel so much. 

630
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,000
And it comes out occasionally. 
You know, if you get to know me 

631
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:57,760
really well, you'll see that. 
But but yes, I, it was hard, but

632
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:01,160
even I felt bad because he 
really did want to know. 

633
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,760
Drew wanted to know the gender 
so we could do kind of what we'd

634
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,000
always done and start talking 
about that. 

635
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,040
So now not only are we thinking 
about girls names, but boys 

636
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,560
names too. 
So when we do find out, I hadn't

637
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:13,560
thought, I hadn't considered 
that. 

638
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,160
I didn't consider, Oh yeah, we 
better have a girl's name and a 

639
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,640
boy's name ready. 
But the Lord already told you 

640
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:20,920
you're having a boy, so you look
confident. 

641
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,800
Kind of go back, circle back to 
what you were asking. 

642
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:29,520
It wouldn't matter if a test 
came back and it said this is a 

643
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:36,120
problem or this could be 
something, who knows? 

644
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,680
Yeah, it could be any number of 
things, but just to leave it in 

645
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,600
God's hands and go to him with 
it. 

646
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,240
And that's really, really hard 
to do for anything, especially 

647
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,920
for something as significant as 
a life forming and growing 

648
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,920
inside of you. 
It's, it's a hard thing to do is

649
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:57,640
to release and have those open 
hands, which is just, I don't, I

650
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,520
get kind of worked up even 
thinking about that letting go 

651
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:07,240
and it's super difficult. 
It is so give birth to JJ. 

652
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,040
You find out it's a boy, you 
name him. 

653
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,120
You already had the name picked 
out, right? 

654
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:13,960
Or you'll have part of it, I 
think. 

655
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:18,520
What I had done and again, I 
maybe this is just a little 

656
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,280
tribute or a token. 
I don't know how to describe it,

657
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,480
but I told Drew, hey, you have 
full naming rights. 

658
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,320
You can name the baby no matter 
what gender. 

659
00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:34,120
I trust you, and I wouldn't know
if you know my husband. 

660
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,159
You know he's come up with some 
crazy baby names in the past. 

661
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,000
I mean, he wanted to name one of
our kids Dragon. 

662
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,199
Love it, drew love. 
It dragon. 

663
00:34:42,199 --> 00:34:45,080
I'm trying to think of another 
example because they're just so 

664
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,199
bizarre and I would always shake
my head and you're not serious. 

665
00:34:48,199 --> 00:34:50,239
Yeah, but are you serious? 
Yeah. 

666
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,120
Like, would you really? 
And so that was a thought it 

667
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:57,440
came back around and I thought 
if I do say you are going to 

668
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:01,560
name this child and I I. 
You know, I, I promise you, 

669
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,400
you're, you're good. 
You can do this. 

670
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,320
Would he come up with something 
crazy? 

671
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,880
And I would have to then step in
and, and I would have to come 

672
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,440
down on that. 
No, I know I said that, but 

673
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,120
we're not going to go with that 
name. 

674
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:20,080
So even up to the day after he 
was born, we still hadn't fully 

675
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,760
picked it. 
And I could tell that he had two

676
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,280
that he was choosing between. 
And he really, really just, he 

677
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:30,680
wanted my involvement. 
And I kept saying no, no, I 

678
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,520
wanted to keep pushing it back, 
though. 

679
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:36,120
I told you you could do this. 
So the only thing that I said 

680
00:35:36,240 --> 00:35:39,000
and that the two names that we 
were choosing between is Eric 

681
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,480
and Jonathan, the first names, 
either Eric or Jonathan for a 

682
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,920
first name for him. 
And the only thing I said was, 

683
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,880
well, now that we see him, he 
really doesn't look like an Eric

684
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:53,640
to me, But you choose. 
But you choose What was 

685
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,160
Jonathan? 
We went with Jonathan, Jonathan 

686
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,320
James. 
Cook love. 

687
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,920
Yeah. 
All right, So once that you, 

688
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,280
when does the doctors come in 
and kind of talk to you all a 

689
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,000
little bit? 
As they normally do, the 

690
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,200
pediatrician who's on call, 
which I didn't know this person 

691
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,880
personally, but they come in and
they do kind of a first checkup 

692
00:36:14,240 --> 00:36:16,000
pretty much right after the 
baby's born. 

693
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,120
And they it's called the once 
over. 

694
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:19,920
I suppose they may have a 
different name for it. 

695
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,120
They check everything that they 
can possibly check and just make

696
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:27,200
sure this baby is healthy and 
ready to face the world outside 

697
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,800
of the womb. 
So the pediatrician did come in 

698
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,240
into the delivery room and she 
was doing some different things 

699
00:36:33,240 --> 00:36:35,160
with him. 
I thought absolutely everything 

700
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,280
is good, everything is fine. 
He looks healthy. 

701
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:43,040
He looks just like the rest of 
our kids and nothing was tipping

702
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,280
me off that there would be 
anything at all of an issue. 

703
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,520
Nothing. 
And he even, you know, he got 

704
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:53,480
started nursing pretty well. 
It can be hard for them to start

705
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,320
out no matter what. 
They just can struggle kind of 

706
00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:01,360
to get used to the nursing. 
And, and this is kid 5 and I at 

707
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,080
that point, I felt pretty 
confident that there would be no

708
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,480
feeding troubles. 
And, and he is a little bit slow

709
00:37:07,720 --> 00:37:10,800
maybe, but that's fine. 
You know, I'm, I'm fine with 

710
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,600
that. 
I can be patient and nothing, 

711
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,200
nothing weird at that point. 
But the following day, that same

712
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:21,560
pediatrician, she returned. 
I'm glad it was the same person 

713
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,960
because sometimes if they switch
off, they're on call, then 

714
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:26,760
they're not. 
And then somebody else comes in.

715
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,080
But even in the delivery room, 
there were things that I'll go 

716
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,760
back to something else that I 
wanted to share because it's a 

717
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,360
huge deal. 
But but the pediatrician, she 

718
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:40,240
came and she said, hey, and this
is the day after he was born, 

719
00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:43,720
this is morning time and we're 
just, you know, settling in and 

720
00:37:43,720 --> 00:37:46,160
everything. 
But she came in and she said, 

721
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,600
Hey, I, I need to share some 
things with you. 

722
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:55,600
Just instantly all the alertness
just started. 

723
00:37:55,800 --> 00:38:00,160
Because when they say things 
like that, a lot of times there 

724
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,520
is something whether it's small 
or big that they have to 

725
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,480
address. 
And you know, I wasn't thinking 

726
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:11,880
anything huge, definitely not 
having to do with a diagnosis of

727
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,400
any kind. 
Just oh, well, maybe maybe his 

728
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,880
blood sugar is off. 
That's happened before, you 

729
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,960
know, no biggie. 
But she immediately got to it. 

730
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,400
It wasn't even let me tiptoe 
into this. 

731
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,560
She immediately just said after 
that I see soft signs of Down 

732
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:32,000
syndrome. 
Can I brace myself a little bit 

733
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,200
like, Oh my goodness, I. 
Think what happened is I looked 

734
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:39,640
directly at Drew and he. 
I mean, we're just, I think 

735
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,320
we're reading her face and we 
don't know her. 

736
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,600
Yeah. 
It's not like we have an idea of

737
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:45,800
her mannerisms. 
And. 

738
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,720
OK, but just because you see 
that, that doesn't mean that 

739
00:38:50,720 --> 00:38:53,000
there's anything. 
Doesn't mean it is Down 

740
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,480
syndrome, right? 
I think that's probably. 

741
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,040
If you saw a speech bubble above
our heads, that's probably what 

742
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:03,960
it would say is no, no, Yeah. 
You're just seeing something 

743
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,320
else that looks like it. 
Stuff like that. 

744
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,520
But none of neither he nor I 
said anything. 

745
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,880
We just listened because she 
followed up with some other 

746
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:14,600
things and what those other 
things are. 

747
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,800
I have no idea, couldn't tell 
you. 

748
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:21,600
I mean, we're tunnel vision now 
on this possible Down syndrome. 

749
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,680
That can't be. 
We have 4 healthy kids. 

750
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:27,840
Have you seen these healthy 
kids? 

751
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:32,240
They're, there's no way this 
could happen, but well, all of 

752
00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:34,360
that might have been sort of 
there in the background. 

753
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,800
She continued to say, you know, 
I, I would recommend this test 

754
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:41,120
and I, I would also recommend 
and just listing and we need to 

755
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:45,920
do this quickly just in case 
because and all of the things 

756
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,120
that they need to reference in 
order to prepare people for the 

757
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:50,400
if it is. 
Yeah. 

758
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,000
If it is, they could have heart 
trouble. 

759
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,440
In fact, he could need heart 
surgery. 

760
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,520
A lot of children that are born 
with Down syndrome, immediately,

761
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,880
they're getting surgeries, all 
different varieties. 

762
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,760
At the time, you're not even 
aware of yourself because you 

763
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,640
just had a baby and it's it's 
all crazy. 

764
00:40:07,720 --> 00:40:09,920
Yeah. 
And then you're hit with that 

765
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:15,640
and then and then you're just 
listing all this like, wow, So 

766
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,960
what did they take? 
Do the test, right? 

767
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,880
Then I know you had to wait like
2 weeks right? 

768
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,200
So they did several of those. 
They could do an echocardiogram,

769
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,440
they could do an ultrasound, 
they could run some tests with 

770
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,280
his blood. 
They could do a lot of that 

771
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,840
right there in the hospital. 
And that was really awesome. 

772
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,560
And I just remember because 
again, you're so emotional and 

773
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:39,080
the hormones are all on just 
OverDrive. 

774
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,240
Every time the nurse or whoever 
would come in and they would 

775
00:40:43,240 --> 00:40:46,240
say, hey, the results of this 
one just came back and it was 

776
00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:49,560
probably hours to that next part
of the day. 

777
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,160
It wasn't long and we already 
knew, OK, the ultrasound is 

778
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:54,480
clear. 
Praise God. 

779
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,400
Nothing looks, nothing looks 
off, nothing looks wrong. 

780
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:02,280
The echocardiogram also came 
back as normal as it needs to 

781
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:03,720
be. 
There was something that they 

782
00:41:03,720 --> 00:41:07,120
would want to watch for, but but
as normal as we could have hoped

783
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:08,960
for there. 
So just and when the 

784
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,360
echocardiogram results came 
back, I remember just I mean, 

785
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:16,760
crying buckets and buckets. 
Like even though I really didn't

786
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:18,920
understand how big of a deal 
that was, I was going to cry 

787
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:20,360
buckets and buckets no matter 
what. 

788
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:24,360
Just super emotional and one 
after the other, you know, those

789
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:30,520
initial tests were OK, which it 
almost made us even have more of

790
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:34,680
A and optimistic. 
This can't be then there. 

791
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,280
We're looking at him, we're 
staring at him mothers, we stare

792
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,640
at our babies anyway, we're just
constantly staring. 

793
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:43,720
But we were so hopeful and my 
husband would say things like 

794
00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:45,440
Jenna. 
I just don't see it. 

795
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:49,360
I just don't see it. 
I can't I can't confirm or deny 

796
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:50,920
this. 
We've never done this before. 

797
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,760
We've never had any any 
suspicions of anything like 

798
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:57,280
this. 
But I felt at the same time, 

799
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,520
right there in the hospital 
room, even before we left the 

800
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:03,000
hospital, they had, you know, 
drawn the blood for the 

801
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,560
chromosome test, Drew drawn, 
they took the blood for the 

802
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,440
chromosome test and they were 
going to send it back. 

803
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:12,080
And that one they said was going
to take two weeks, two weeks. 

804
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:14,760
So even before we left the 
hospital, we knew we weren't 

805
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,240
going to know for sure. 
And we would have those two 

806
00:42:17,240 --> 00:42:20,280
weeks, most of them at home, 
hopefully, unless he had to come

807
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:21,840
back to the hospital for any 
reason. 

808
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,400
And thankfully he didn't. 
But it was a long waiting 

809
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,040
period. 
It sounded like that on the 

810
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,400
front end and it felt like that 
on the back end to two week 

811
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:36,960
period of just what but peace. 
Peace, knowing that no matter 

812
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:41,800
what, God was completely in the 
picture. 

813
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:45,440
What did that two weeks look 
like besides having peace? 

814
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:49,120
Like where y'all just in 
constant prayer over these test 

815
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,200
results? 
Like and just like just tell us 

816
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,680
a little bit, maybe a little bit
about that two week period. 

817
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,800
Oh, it was a very it was 
emotional. 

818
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:03,320
I had never seen up to then, I'd
never seen my husband that 

819
00:43:03,720 --> 00:43:10,800
shaken up about anything and 
feeling just almost a surge of 

820
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:14,560
maybe I have to be strong now 
and he'll be strong later. 

821
00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:20,560
And it was a back and forth, but
it was also a covering of piece.

822
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,880
It was a covering of provision. 
I mean, we had people just as 

823
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:27,000
soon as they knew that we were 
possibly dealing with something 

824
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:31,520
that was obviously out of our 
control, but dealing with 

825
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:35,640
something heavy like that, they 
just automatically, you know, 

826
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:42,000
meals and care and people coming
even to pray over us and just 

827
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:46,400
referring to all of what, what 
could be done in the situation. 

828
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,320
I didn't have this, this 
blueprint. 

829
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:54,160
This is what I need to do. 
I just kept pulling myself back 

830
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:58,640
or trying to and just realizing 
God has this in his hands. 

831
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,600
It's not. 
I think he was telling me 

832
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:03,920
basically, Hey, remember the 
roots of your faith. 

833
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:09,040
They're, they've been around, 
they're there, they're, they're 

834
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:14,120
even deep because I was 8 when I
first accepted Jesus as my 

835
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,640
Savior. 
And my faith has been growing 

836
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,520
and praise God, it's been 
growing because I think all 

837
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:24,680
along, even going back to the 
conference, he was just 

838
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:29,320
whispering, I'm preparing you 
for this, I'm getting you ready,

839
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,960
whatever this is. 
And we don't know what he's got 

840
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:37,880
for us, but He is the one that 
has and supplies that strength 

841
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,520
and that that power. 
It's not because I have built 

842
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,200
these roots. 
I have not made them grow deep. 

843
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,800
I have little to do with that. 
It's all him. 

844
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,400
It's all his strength. 
It's all his power. 

845
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,360
I Amen. 
It's him. 

846
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,680
It's not me. 
Amen. 

847
00:44:56,200 --> 00:45:01,360
When so the two weeks go by and 
then you talk to the doctor. 

848
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:02,800
So tell us a little bit about 
that. 

849
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,400
Yes. 
So we had scheduled his regular 

850
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,680
pediatrician, they call them in 
at 2 weeks. 

851
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:13,880
That's just a regular interval. 
And going in there, I, it was 

852
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:15,720
weird. 
I started just snapping random 

853
00:45:15,720 --> 00:45:21,640
pictures and in my just trying 
to be Incognito too. 

854
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,480
You're not really supposed to 
take a bunch of pictures inside 

855
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,320
doctor's offices. 
I hope I don't get in trouble. 

856
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:32,040
Anyway, I just had a sense that 
he was going to have this. 

857
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:36,720
As much as I didn't want it for 
all the all the reasons you can 

858
00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:39,520
imagine, I didn't want my child 
to struggle. 

859
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:42,960
I didn't, I honestly, I did not 
want to struggle. 

860
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:48,120
I did not want to see my husband
and my kids have any kind of 

861
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,920
struggle that has to do with 
especially a, you know, a 

862
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:57,360
something like this that could 
have so many things, that is so 

863
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,640
many things can go wrong. 
They give you a whole packet and

864
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:04,040
it's really thick. 
It's like that thick of symptom 

865
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:08,720
after, you know, symptom and 
disease after disease that can 

866
00:46:08,720 --> 00:46:11,600
come with this. 
And I didn't, I don't want that.

867
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:15,360
I didn't want to have a personal
struggle and I definitely didn't

868
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:19,800
want one of my kids to have it. 
But at the same time, this is 

869
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:24,240
dual things happening. 
I knew, I think, I think this is

870
00:46:24,240 --> 00:46:27,200
going to happen. 
I didn't say it out loud, but I 

871
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:30,320
started kind of snapping 
pictures thinking down the road 

872
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,680
we're going to want to have a 
memory of this and then who 

873
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,920
knows what I'm going to remember
being so emotional anyway. 

874
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:39,280
But we go in and the 
pediatrician comes into the 

875
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,600
room. 
She's very, very, very good, 

876
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,120
Very good. 
She just looks him over, checks 

877
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,440
him out first, doesn't say, hey,
as soon as she walks in the 

878
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,720
door. 
Love that, love that. 

879
00:46:51,720 --> 00:46:55,200
I love that too. 
Because I'm not a quick person 

880
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,920
to I don't jump to things and 
let's I'm not a go getter. 

881
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:02,280
I really in certain ways maybe I
can have more motivation, but 

882
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:05,880
I'm not a all right, yeah, let's
get let's get to it. 

883
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,720
So I was super grateful that she
didn't automatically just come 

884
00:47:09,720 --> 00:47:12,040
in the room with the words 
floating out of her mouth. 

885
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,120
She looked him over. 
She made sure that he was good 

886
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:16,600
at his, you know, two week 
interval. 

887
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:18,520
We want to make sure he is 
healthy still. 

888
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,880
Yeah. 
And he checked out, you know, on

889
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:22,520
most things he was slow to gain 
weight. 

890
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:28,720
But she, I think, just situated 
herself and, and I, I sensed it.

891
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:30,640
I, I don't know if my husband 
did. 

892
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,760
I could just tell that he was 
very compromised. 

893
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,280
Very even withdrawn in that 
moment. 

894
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:43,400
But she said he does, he has 
trisomy 21, which is what the 

895
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:48,160
pediatrician the the specific 
term that I think is the medical

896
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:52,120
term for that, right. 
So she says yes, yes he does. 

897
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:57,440
And she said it in knowing that 
we were not going to be probably

898
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:02,160
overjoyed to hear this news, but
also in a very kind way. 

899
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,160
And I wish that I had a sound 
bite of how it was delivered 

900
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:13,240
too, because it was just, there 
was no, I don't know how to 

901
00:48:13,240 --> 00:48:16,080
describe it. 
It was done very well. 

902
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:17,840
Yeah. 
Very well, I guess as far as 

903
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:21,960
well can be done. 
And then she said, I'm going to 

904
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,560
walk out of the room for a few 
minutes so that you can process 

905
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:29,440
and that and and she also said, 
I know your people of faith. 

906
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,120
And that threw me off for a 
minute because I don't recall 

907
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:37,880
telling her we believe in God 
and we know that this is his 

908
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,600
plan. 
I think at that point she might 

909
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:44,280
have known that my husband is a 
pastor going off of that, you 

910
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,800
know, kind of making that next. 
Obviously, Hey, if you're a 

911
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:49,560
pastor, then you are people of 
faith. 

912
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:53,120
But she said, I know you're 
people of faith, but I'm going 

913
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:54,840
to give you some a few minutes 
and on. 

914
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:56,440
I'll be back and we'll talk 
about this. 

915
00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:02,600
So she again, she didn't want to
zoom in and just OK, now you 

916
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:04,680
need to have this and then check
that Check, check, check, check.

917
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:07,480
It was just. 
It was graceful. 

918
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:11,240
But I do have a picture of my 
husband and myself sitting in 

919
00:49:11,240 --> 00:49:13,640
that office right after she 
walked out. 

920
00:49:14,240 --> 00:49:18,880
He's got his head kind of down 
and his head between his hands, 

921
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:22,520
just in a posture of what do we 
do now? 

922
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:25,840
And I'm that way too, just in a 
different posture. 

923
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,520
So he and I were different 
personalities. 

924
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:30,880
We process things differently 
and all that. 

925
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,840
And that's kind of how it was, 
yeah. 

926
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:38,560
So, I mean, you kind of already 
had this inkling about what was 

927
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,440
going on. 
And then, you know, with Drew, 

928
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,120
you don't really know if he did 
or not. 

929
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:46,120
But how does it look? 
Going, I know it was coming out 

930
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,800
of his mouth and that was Jenna.
There's no way. 

931
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:50,480
I don't see it. 
He's still. 

932
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,000
Like even after the doctor said 
that well. 

933
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:57,720
It sunk in more, you could tell.
Yeah, but he still would. 

934
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:02,040
And it, I don't even think it 
was completely denial. 

935
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:06,880
I mean, I think I was in denial 
a lot as well, even though I had

936
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,640
the piece about it. 
But I was, I just, I didn't want

937
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:13,400
it to be the case. 
I started to accept it as much 

938
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,560
as anyone can maybe. 
But with him, he's always been 

939
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:20,360
that optimistic. 
Well, maybe something is is not 

940
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:23,920
accurate. 
Maybe very much thinking just 

941
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,080
very optimistically. 
He's always been that way. 

942
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:31,120
Did now after that he has to 
turn around and get a give a 

943
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,280
sermon about a week later, 
right. 

944
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:39,320
So in between that that period 
of y'all finding out, what does 

945
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:42,440
y'all's home life look like for 
that week building up? 

946
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:45,560
Because I know he comes out and 
he's very honest that morning 

947
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:49,160
and he's crying and he's like 
just as distressed about it. 

948
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:52,200
So are you still having those 
same emotions that kind of like 

949
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,600
he was or like you're just still
at peace? 

950
00:50:56,000 --> 00:51:00,720
It was on and off maybe like how
you would turn water on and off 

951
00:51:00,720 --> 00:51:04,160
on a faucet. 
There would be just a a very 

952
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:11,440
down moment and then the next 
moment was Lord, you've ordained

953
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:15,360
this. 
You knew and I know that you 

954
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:18,240
were preparing me truly just I 
know it. 

955
00:51:18,240 --> 00:51:22,640
I believe it and I have my my 
doubts at the same time, but 

956
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:26,160
that doesn't take away from the 
fact that this is how things 

957
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:29,760
are. 
And I felt maybe like we had 

958
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:34,960
done a, a reverse type thing. 
How that works, I can't, can't 

959
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,920
put my finger on it, but we had 
done that reverse and then 

960
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:43,480
reverse back and then reverse. 
It's very bizarre to to see when

961
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:47,080
something happens in someone's 
life and how they respond to it.

962
00:51:47,720 --> 00:51:52,080
It's very, very telling. 
And I think the same if he were 

963
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:55,120
to sit down and talk to you, he 
would say, yeah, I never, I 

964
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:58,400
never would have pictured 
something like this happening. 

965
00:51:58,720 --> 00:52:01,480
And now we get to see things 
that we've never really ever 

966
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,760
seen out of each other and from 
each other and the kids too. 

967
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:09,600
So when he sat down and he was 
so good, he took the and he 

968
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:13,560
initiated sitting with them and 
explaining to them, this is, 

969
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,840
this is what's happening. 
I know you guys really don't 

970
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,040
know much about this. 
We don't really know much about 

971
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:21,040
it. 
But the bottom line is, and he 

972
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:24,280
cried when he told them to. 
And of course I'm teary, but 

973
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:27,680
when he gets really, really 
teary, I tend to dry up. 

974
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:31,200
And I mean, I don't know, maybe 
it's one of those you want to 

975
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:35,240
put on a strong face when you 
see your husband broken and very

976
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:39,720
just raw emotional. 
And you're like, let me just 

977
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:43,280
lift because if I have a lifted 
face, maybe you will too. 

978
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:46,800
I don't know. 
It was very back and forth as 

979
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:48,920
far as you asking how things 
were in the house. 

980
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,880
But he was not wanting to preach
that sermon that was coming up. 

981
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:54,160
It was his turn. 
He was up. 

982
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,840
Yeah. 
He had to fulfill. 

983
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:01,560
You know, he could have said, 
guys, I just, I'm, I'm not in a 

984
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:03,440
place where I want to get up at 
the pulpit. 

985
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:06,200
Yeah, I don't want to walk up 
there and I definitely don't 

986
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:10,320
want to speak about this topic, 
which just happened to be the 

987
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:12,760
the sermon series. 
The name of it was no matter 

988
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,280
what comes through those doors 
or what, no matter what comes 

989
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:19,280
through these doors. 
And in saying that, it's it's 

990
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:20,880
obvious what it was going to be 
about. 

991
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:25,560
No matter what happens in life, 
Christ can be trusted. 

992
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:29,320
God is fully capable. 
You're not. 

993
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,400
And the beautiful thing was he 
could stand up there and he 

994
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:36,720
could say, I have no idea what 
to do. 

995
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:41,400
I am not equipped for this. 
And so I'm going to do the only 

996
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:43,480
thing that I can do. 
I'm going to get on my knees. 

997
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:46,920
And after at Kathleen right now,
we've got three services. 

998
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:51,560
So he preached this three times,
consecutive 33 sermons about 

999
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:53,560
this. 
And it was the topic. 

1000
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:56,440
And our story with JJ was rolled
into it. 

1001
00:53:56,440 --> 00:54:00,400
It wasn't all about, you know, 
about JJ, but it had a lot to do

1002
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:02,480
with it. 
And after each one of those, 

1003
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:06,440
he'd went right off the stage 
down to the altar and, and just 

1004
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:09,680
wept and prayed after each one. 
And, and the third time he's 

1005
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:12,240
like, all right, you know, I 
don't think I need to do that 

1006
00:54:12,240 --> 00:54:15,720
now. 
I I've gone and prayed and gone 

1007
00:54:15,720 --> 00:54:19,240
and prayed. 
But the end of that comes, the 

1008
00:54:19,240 --> 00:54:21,520
end of the third service comes 
and he gets right back down 

1009
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:23,960
again. 
And I think, I think that was 

1010
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:28,720
just so awesome because we have 
this idea that, well, I'm only 

1011
00:54:28,720 --> 00:54:30,760
going to need to do this a 
certain amount of times. 

1012
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:35,560
I only need to come to the Lord 
with this maybe 5 or 6 times. 

1013
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:38,160
And after that, I think I've got
it. 

1014
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:42,360
But no, we don't. 
It's not that way. 

1015
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:44,440
We always need to go to Him no 
matter what. 

1016
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:49,560
Hey, man, I, I love how that was
the sermon series. 

1017
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:54,160
I love how in that season, 
that's literally Drew's week to 

1018
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:57,520
preach, right? 
And it's like God was already 

1019
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:01,680
setting the setting the stage, 
setting the pulpit, setting all 

1020
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:05,160
of this for him to be vulnerable
with his church, for him to 

1021
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:08,640
truly like show his obedience 
because he could have easily 

1022
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:12,080
said, no, guys, I really can't 
like I need someone else to 

1023
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:16,480
preach. 
But instead he's like, I preach 

1024
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:20,280
this and let me be the man of 
God that I am for my family and 

1025
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:21,960
everything. 
And I just love that. 

1026
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:24,400
Like I remember watching it 
because I go to a different 

1027
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:27,360
campus, but I remember watching 
it that day and I'm just like 

1028
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:30,120
bawling because you could just 
see how vulnerable and 

1029
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:32,240
transparent he was trying to be 
with the congregation. 

1030
00:55:32,240 --> 00:55:34,720
It was so beautiful. 
But enough about Drew. 

1031
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:39,760
Anyway, back to you. 
So now it's JJ just turned a 

1032
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:40,240
year. 
He. 

1033
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:44,400
Did. 
And So what does that look like 

1034
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:47,120
now that you have been walking 
this out for a year? 

1035
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:49,560
This is a whole it's not a brand
new chapter. 

1036
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:51,760
You know, you're getting your 
feet in there. 

1037
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:55,240
So what is we're? 
Dipping the toe in is really 

1038
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,760
that's more of how I see it is 
just we're, we're getting 

1039
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:01,680
started. 
Yes, it has been a year and it's

1040
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:03,040
been a year of a lot of 
learning. 

1041
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:06,560
We've gotten to know quite a few
specialists that he's gone to 

1042
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:08,560
see. 
And really it's mainly it's for 

1043
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:10,480
screenings. 
They want to check and they want

1044
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:12,920
to make sure are you good in 
this area? 

1045
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:16,880
Is your, is your eyesight OK? 
How about your ear canals? 

1046
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:18,880
Are they good? 
Or we're going to go see an ENT.

1047
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:22,840
There's, there's different, you 
know, things that they recommend

1048
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:26,640
and everything that is 
recommended, we try to, you 

1049
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:29,000
know, follow through and yes, 
we'll get this checked and we'll

1050
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,520
get whatever they recommend. 
This is all new to us. 

1051
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:34,840
I would say it really is just 
getting started. 

1052
00:56:35,240 --> 00:56:40,440
He is happy, he's super healthy.
I'm just so, so grateful for 

1053
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:42,280
that. 
There could be so much more that

1054
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:46,360
we could be dealing with. 
And I, I even now along the way 

1055
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:49,000
over this past year, we've made 
just a couple of friends that 

1056
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:53,280
are around his age actually, and
a couple of friends. 

1057
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:56,120
They both happen to be girls, 
but they also have Down 

1058
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:58,320
syndrome, so. 
Possible future girlfriends? 

1059
00:56:59,240 --> 00:57:03,080
Oh my goodness. 
Never thought about that, Never 

1060
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:07,280
crossed your mind. 
It really hasn't been dying, but

1061
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:10,040
they are just adorable. 
They all are just so adorable. 

1062
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:14,000
And there's a common thread it 
it really it links people 

1063
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:17,760
together when they have 
something that it is A1 in 700 

1064
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:22,000
every 700 births Down syndrome, 
it shows up. 

1065
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:26,440
So just to have even one that 
you know of it's around his age 

1066
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:29,600
is pretty awesome. 
One of those just happens to be 

1067
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:33,880
an I should have mentioned this 
before, but it's the daughter of

1068
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:38,240
the midwife who delivered JJ. 
Oh my goodness, why all full 

1069
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:41,400
circle? 
Even to blow away the odds, so 

1070
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:44,040
to speak, even though that's not
what we're operating under. 

1071
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:47,760
I, I know that God put her in 
that room. 

1072
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:50,360
She just happens to have her 48 
hour shift. 

1073
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:54,360
When I went into labor, she was 
27 weeks at the time the midwife

1074
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:56,400
was. 
So she comes in, I could see she

1075
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:59,320
was pregnant. 
I just, oh, hey, come on up 

1076
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:00,560
here. 
You should, we should do this 

1077
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:02,720
together. 
And oh, no, no, I'm only 27 

1078
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:03,720
weeks. 
That's what she said. 

1079
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:08,760
But but she did deliver JJ. 
And when she found out that the 

1080
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:12,760
pediatrician was suspicious of 
Down syndrome, she came from 

1081
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:14,760
labor and delivery to 
postpartum. 

1082
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:19,840
And she said, you just, you 
don't even know. 

1083
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:25,320
But the little girl in my womb 
has Down syndrome and we've had 

1084
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:27,680
the testing and we've had time 
to process this. 

1085
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:33,120
And when she said that, I just, 
I couldn't, I was already kind 

1086
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:36,320
of at the limit of I just can't 
take any more in at this point. 

1087
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:38,720
It's too much. 
It's too much humanly to 

1088
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:40,880
understand what is going on 
here. 

1089
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:45,000
But I will say when her name is 
Ashley, when Ashley came in and 

1090
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,280
she just said, I'd like to pray 
with you. 

1091
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:51,480
And I'm, I'm just here to tell 
you, I've had a long time, long 

1092
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:57,560
time being 20 ish weeks, right? 
I've had a while to get my head 

1093
00:58:57,560 --> 00:58:59,720
wrapped around this. 
And you're just finding out. 

1094
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:05,240
And she was able to just diffuse
so much automatically. 

1095
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:09,840
And then it didn't, it didn't 
blow me away in that moment. 

1096
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:12,920
But later on in the more I talk 
about how she was the one that 

1097
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:17,040
was his midwife delivering him 
right there and that her 

1098
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:20,680
daughter, who is inches from JJ,
also has Down syndrome. 

1099
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:24,040
Wow. 
That that just amazes me so 

1100
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:26,760
much. 
I love that one because I always

1101
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:29,840
talk about community on here. 
I always talk about, you know, 

1102
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:33,080
testimonies. 
And testimonies are so important

1103
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:34,920
because it shows that you're 
relatable. 

1104
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:36,760
People go through the same 
problems. 

1105
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:40,040
Like we need to have people 
around us that have dealt with 

1106
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:43,640
things so that they can, you 
know, be community for us and 

1107
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:45,600
for you. 
God sent somebody right out the 

1108
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:49,160
gate. 
Like the day JJ is born, you 

1109
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:51,280
automatically get up. 
Yeah, yes. 

1110
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:55,080
Like you automatically have 
someone that you can, you know, 

1111
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:58,440
grow this bond with and and then
she's like talking about prayer.

1112
00:59:58,440 --> 00:59:59,880
So she's already a woman of 
faith. 

1113
00:59:59,880 --> 01:00:03,200
She already is a follower. 
And so that is just so beautiful

1114
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:05,120
to me. 
Her husband's actually also a 

1115
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:06,040
pastor. 
Oh. 

1116
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:08,600
Love D all double date. 
You know. 

1117
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:11,920
And it could be a triple date 
one day with the guy. 

1118
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:12,800
I'm getting. 
I'm getting. 

1119
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:17,440
I just. 
I love the idea of you can't 

1120
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:21,240
make it, you just you can't 
create this scenario. 

1121
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:24,200
Nope. 
OK, so I guess a little bit as 

1122
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:27,040
we close real quick, not real 
quick, we don't have to. 

1123
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:30,640
But as we close, maybe there's 
something that I haven't really 

1124
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:34,080
gave you a chance to say, or 
maybe God's revealed something 

1125
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:37,320
to you more recently or like you
just want to end on with a piece

1126
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:40,160
of advice, like, how would you 
like to close this this episode 

1127
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:43,520
today? 
I think about there's a passage 

1128
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:47,400
at 2nd Corinthians 4, it talks 
about the we have treasure in 

1129
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:50,400
these fragile clay jars. 
Different versions, I guess 

1130
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:54,320
could say in a different way, 
maybe a vessel, these fragile 

1131
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:57,360
vessels. 
I know a word that has stood out

1132
01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:00,760
to me since JJ was born. 
And even now, every time I hear 

1133
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:04,880
the word fragile, it makes me 
think about him. 

1134
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:09,400
But it also makes me think about
we are fragile, all of us. 

1135
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:13,240
We're very fragile. 
And if you're a believer in 

1136
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:18,000
Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit is
the light inside of you and the 

1137
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:21,760
fragility and the cracks and the
brokenness causes the light to 

1138
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:23,840
come out. 
And that passage in Second 

1139
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:27,160
Corinthians talks about that. 
It talks about the light is 

1140
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:30,240
meant to come out. 
That's the whole purpose. 

1141
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:34,040
But we don't like being fragile.
And when I look at my JJ and 

1142
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:37,000
even the rest of my family and 
friends, there's no doubt that 

1143
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:39,920
we're fragile. 
We have all kinds of issues and 

1144
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:42,720
we don't like it. 
We don't like being those, you 

1145
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:46,480
know, broken vessels. 
But it says it right there that 

1146
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:49,520
that's his design. 
His design is for his light to 

1147
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:55,000
come out and for us to, to be OK
with being fragile is so to 

1148
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:57,160
speak. 
But to know that that is his 

1149
01:01:57,160 --> 01:02:00,560
design, even if we're not OK 
with it, that's, that's how he 

1150
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:03,480
planned it. 
And everything I would say, 

1151
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:06,560
everything about JJ is just a 
little bit fragile, a touch of 

1152
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:12,200
fragile all the way around 
eyesight, just everything to do 

1153
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:14,560
with his body is a little bit 
fragile. 

1154
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:20,120
And that has just been something
something that I wanted to dig 

1155
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:25,360
deeper on to maybe over the next
year, just really consider how 

1156
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:27,920
we can we can all learn 
something maybe through. 

1157
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:31,400
That fragility, yeah. 
I feel like with your family, 

1158
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:35,080
like y'all have just really the 
kids specifically. 

1159
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:39,320
Like it's been so amazing to 
watch all of your kids love on 

1160
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:41,920
JJ. 
Like today when we're recording 

1161
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:44,520
and Landry has them and I'm like
who's the mom here? 

1162
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:46,840
Why? 
Because the Landry is so like, 

1163
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:49,640
this is my baby. 
I am not needed for a whole. 

1164
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:53,200
Lot yes, it's so sweet, but you 
can just see how the light has 

1165
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:58,160
truly like he is just light, 
truly he is so lit up. 

1166
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:03,000
Every time he is present, it's 
just the the joy. 

1167
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:07,840
Yes, the joy is also so present.
Very much is All right, guys. 

1168
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:09,240
Well, I think we're going to end
there. 

1169
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:11,320
I think this has been absolutely
incredible. 

1170
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:14,720
It's so powerful, impactful. 
I hope you enjoyed this as much 

1171
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:16,960
as I have. 
So stay tuned, stay blessed, and

1172
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:17,720
we'll see you guys later.